Welcome Tony, we're very happy to have you on the, this is the 12th hour right?
Yeah, it should be 12th hour.
12th hour of our 24 hour nest.
We're very happy to have you.
Welcome Tony.
Yeah, how are you?
Thanks guys, pleasure is all mine.
And I'm sorry for stealing like eight minutes of your time.
No.
I'm being stupid with the tech side of the things.
That's actually the first time I'm on the stage on this.
So I had to figure this thing out and the brain browser didn't do a good job.
It's fine for listening, I guess, but not for speaking.
Anyways, I'm great.
And I've been super stoked to be here with you guys and speak about, I don't know, censorship
resistant protocols a bit, I guess.
And I was actually, I could hear part of the discussion you had with CGI Bean and Satoshi
Tikko and I was very upset.
I couldn't say anything or get hurt.
So I hope we'll fix it now.
So yeah, I guess should I tell a bit about myself or what I do first or how do you see
this?
Yeah, no, please do.
This is honestly, we have no format here.
You can basically just do whatever you like.
If honestly, Tony, the stage is yours, you can do anything you like.
I'm not going to like, it's yours, brother.
It's yours.
We're sharing this.
Cool.
Thanks.
So anyways, I was thinking that it would be nice to speak about Bitcoin and Mostar a bit
because these are vital tools for people who reside in my region mostly or like, I don't
want to say oppressed because it sounds like really rough.
However, there's a certain level of censorship towards people where I live.
I reside in, I don't know, let's say Russia.
It's a little more complicated than that with the latest events.
So I don't even know which country should I say I'm from or like where I reside.
Anyways, there's a ton of sanctions going on and stuff like that.
That's why I find these protocols super important, important as never before now.
And that's actually one of the reasons I've started 21ideas.org project, which is, it's
crazy when I'm saying it out loud, but it's actually the only Bitcoin only resource in
Russian language.
And I find it, oh, I hope, or I like to think that it's very important for people to get
acquainted and familiarize themselves with Bitcoin without having all that shit going
noise and stuff like that.
And actually, that's one of the reasons I started 21ideas is because I used to be a
shitcoiner back in my day.
And when I just joined, I got overwhelmed with so much info on different shitcoins and
trade that and flip this and I don't know, swap this token for that token, make money.
And like, I thought this was what crypto all about.
And like, this is the way and it took me like a year, like from early 2017 to mid 2018 to
realize that Bitcoin is the only signal among all the noise we hear in this broader crypto
community, so to say.
And yeah, that's been my journey.
I'm in this for over four years.
I'm in education.
And recently I discovered Noster and it was like another breath of fresh air because I
actually have trouble and I know many people who live nearby, they have trouble accessing
Twitter or some centralized, well, it so coincided that it's a US platform or US based platform.
You do need this SMS verification and like all that crap, which actually like keeps so
many people out and like they don't have an opportunity to get heard or share what they
saw or like actually living in such regions, it's important to broadcast or like show the
documentation of some things which are happening, which shouldn't be happening.
So yeah, Noster fixes this and it's really amazing that these tools exist.
And it's, I guess, even more amazing for me that not too many people pay attention to
them.
I guess we're, as we like to say, we're still early and like it's the learning curve is
somewhat like bigger for Noster, steeper.
However, I hope this will change and like I'm working hard on helping people get on board.
I actually started Noster files project.
It's just like a simple resources, Noster resources page for the Russian speaking community
and I collect all the info and explain like different parts of how protocol works and
what zaps are like the basic stuff, something like Noster how I guess I took a lot of ideas
from Jeff's website.
So yeah, that's pretty much what I do.
That was amazing, Tony.
Thank you so much, man.
Fuck, so much to unpack.
I honestly, I shouldn't have closed this out.
Damn, I had a whole sheet over here.
Tony, I kind of wanted to ask you, what brought you to Noster and what made you stay, to be
honest?
Like, yeah, what brought you here and what made you stay?
Well, obviously, like I've been interested in like, what's gonna replace Twitter ever
since I started.
I actually lived like half of my life abroad and like I had to come back recently for family
reasons.
And like, you know, when I came back to Russia, I actually like at the same time, I remembered
Alex Gladstein's article and recently he published a book as well, Check Your Financial Privilege.
And I realized that like living in Dubai for about 10 years or so working there, I never
checked my financial privilege.
I took everything for granted and like I could access Twitter.
I could like send money pretty much anywhere.
And that pretty much stopped whenever I came into like a country which is under heavy sanctions.
And I actually realized the importance of censorship resistant protocols, especially
Bitcoin and Noster, because I was born and raised in Crimea, which is a huge political
dispute at the moment, that region.
And I don't live there for quite a while, but my parents do.
And like when I had to send some money to my mom from UAE, I couldn't do that because
she was in Crimea and she used the Crimean Bank.
So basically, I guess like when I came back here, I started getting problems connecting
to Twitter and like speaking to people I know who are like US citizens or Canadians or whatever.
And I've been thinking of like what can replace Twitter?
What's it going to be?
And like there was some fuzz around Nostadon for a while and like that didn't really work
out that well or as intended.
And then I saw Truth Social and stuff like that started popping up.
But like, I don't know, it's just like I think it's about the feeling, my feeling that Trump
is more like a meme guy.
So like I never checked Truth Social out.
And then somehow like I stumbled upon Noster, actually I stumbled upon Demos, I'm not sure
how to pronounce that, last summer.
And I opened it, I didn't really dig it.
I didn't realize like what's happening.
But then at the beginning of the year, I saw like people start joining and then Jack's
tweet obviously like gave some, I don't know how you say, credibility to Noster in my eyes.
And I started checking it out and I started seeing a bigger picture.
And that's what made me stay and that's what got me excited, I guess.
We just spoke to Arthur Brugman like a few, like last week, I guess, about how Noster
is bigger than just a social media.
And I think it's that understanding that should like keep many people, make them stay because
like Twitter or like social media is important.
However, like all this interoperability we see between the apps and like we speak on
Nests now.
And like whenever I leave a comment on Noster chat, it goes like everybody can see it.
And like this is the cool thing which like excites me, I guess, the most about it.
That's why I find it cool.
But mostly I think understanding Bitcoin helps digging Noster a lot.
Like if you have some understanding of the importance and vitality of say open censorship
resistant protocols, it's easy for you to understand Noster.
If you don't have that understanding, it's hard for you to realize that Noster is not
another Twitter.
So yeah, that's probably how it goes.
I agree.
Before I ask you any more questions, I wanted to see if Tano, you currently available and
want to ask Tony any questions?
Oh, no.
I just wanted to ask you to go ahead because I'm currently setting up stuff in the spreadsheet
right now.
You're setting up stuff in the spreadsheet?
Yeah.
The questions coming forward and all that.
Okay.
Sounds good.
I tend to forget.
I'm not even in Noster chat right now.
But yeah, we should utilize Noster chat a little bit more in terms of it's a good tool
right now even to use to ask you questions, Tony.
Noster chat, we've been using it almost like how many?
Yeah, since like since we started this to actually have the community on there and speak
amongst each other and ask questions to the speakers while they're live.
So I don't know if any of you are on there and want to ask any questions right now.
You could.
You have that option.
I can't wait till it's actually integrated with something like this with Noster and us.
So you could actually have it all in one app.
That'd be pretty fucking sweet.
Yeah, that would be really cool.
I actually went on Noster chat to come in about my issues, like technical issues, and
I saw that like there is not much activity there.
However, I see a comment now.
The guy with a very hard to pronounce name or name says he runs a node because of me.
And I think he's mistaken me for some other crypto Tony because I am a Bitcoin only Tony,
not crypto Tony.
Or it could be me.
You're on the news.
Oh, I see it.
Because I was going to ask you if you were on the right now on the 24 hour frog talk
channel inside of the house.
I can't even see the people's profiles.
I only see and pubs and like a generic PFP.
Not sure it's because of my relays on that account.
But I'll figure it out some other time.
But yeah, tunnel, you keep doing what you're doing.
Yeah, I just wanted to go ahead.
Sorry.
Did you did you end up putting them together?
Yeah, yeah, those questions in the fall.
And so I wanted to just gather them all up for the coming hours when we won't most likely
will be barely even conscious to even find our questions.
So anyway, so yeah.
All right.
Okay.
Sounds good.
Yeah.
Are you?
And I kind of want to ask you.
So so the only thing I really know from well, not the only thing I know, but I know that
certain activists are very like the one that I know for a fact from like, you know, that
was Russian is I try to remember her name.
She's the one from from them.
I don't want to fucking get this wrong.
Pussy Riot.
I think that's what it's called.
You know who I'm talking about?
Tony?
No, not really.
I'm not really aware of any.
You need the processing group.
Yeah, not.
Yeah, I just remember her name now.
Nadia.
She had gotten arrested.
She was Russian like when she was younger.
And yeah, now she's an activist and she goes on like TED talks or whatever and meets in
like government offices and talks about like the regime, Putin's regime.
And you know, and yeah, she's an advocate for like censorship resistant.
I'm pretty sure she would be like a really good person to like on board on here on Nostra
because it's you know, it's basically a safe space for them to communicate.
I remember when she was saying that Telegram was really like the only place for them to
communicate at a certain point in time, maybe like two years ago or something like that.
But yeah, I think people like her that are activists and are kicked out of the country
or jailed should have like a platform like this to communicate with their family back
there and also like, you know, help, you know, open up the eyes of the people that are still
trapped over there.
Or not even open up.
100 percent agree.
Yeah.
100 percent.
And it's kind of hard to keep track.
I actually didn't hear about like this lady, but it's hard to keep track of people who
get arrested, especially in like the past year because obviously for political reasons,
many people voice their opinion and it's not really welcomed here.
And like there are some absurd situations where people get thrown in jail for standing
like on some in some public place and with an empty piece of paper.
And then like they just get thrown to jail for that.
And obviously Nostra fixes this because like, as I said, like sometimes or like for some
people it's hard, like your mobile number will not be legit for Twitter, for example,
to verify or like some traditional platforms.
They don't allow like Russian citizens to verify themselves and then use it.
And then if you use local social media, we have a couple.
One which is quite popular, I guess, is actually made by the same guy who made Telegram.
Pavel Durov.
And but they took it away from him and then now it's being censored and watched and stuff
like that.
And you have to verify yourself, like not with a passport, but like with a mobile number,
which is end of the day tied to your identity.
You cannot buy a SIM card here without presenting your passport.
Well, it's very hard to do.
So like if you use local social media, then like they can knock on your door tomorrow
and like ask whatever questions they find fit or like find you automatically at the
same time.
It actually happened to my friend.
Like he got a fine for discrediting the Russian army.
Like you know, when you say something publicly, which they don't like, they put you, they
can do whatever they want.
And then he automatically like got deducted some money from his bank account, something
like that.
And it's like really crazy.
And we've got this, I think every country, some way works on that, but we've got this
centralized service where like you can upload all of your documents and like driver's license
and like all of your info.
And they say, look how convenient it is.
You can just like, you upload all of that stuff and then like you have the single identity,
which you can use on all the like platforms or open available to pay for any community
services or whatever.
However, it's like, it's the scariest tool, I guess, like where like government has all
of your, everything you own, everything you are, they have it at their fingertips and
they can block this or like charge that without your consent or without even asking.
And I think it's just gonna become worse and like more scary.
And that's why Noster is so exciting because I see it allows people to have a single identity.
However, like in a very different centralized, decentralized and censorship resistant way
where like you can be anonymous and you can still have this single identity where you
chat on Damos and then you go on the marketplace, you pay for some purchase and service or some
good and like everything is based on a censorship resistant money.
So there is no point of single, what do you call it?
Single point of failure.
Yeah.
Or like there is no place where they can stop you or like stop the, I don't know, relay
operators or stop the client operators or maintainers because money is Bitcoin, money
used is Bitcoin, it's censorship resistant and Noster is a protocol, not much you can
do to fight that.
It's like fighting an idea.
So yeah, obviously like I'm looking forward to seeing more fellow Russian speakers and
like, by the way, I wanted to say it out loud just in case because I realized not too many
people think or know that Russian speakers are not necessarily Russian nationals, like
Ukrainians speak Russian, most of them.
And there is a ton of country, mostly post USSR countries like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan,
Belarus, Moldova, even Latvian, Lithuanian people speak Russian.
I spoke to those guys in Russian.
I myself also speak Ukrainian and I can somewhat understand Polish and Serbian.
So like it's a huge potential like community which is yet to come here.
I actually spoke to one of the prominent guys here in, well, he doesn't reside in Russia
anymore for obvious reasons.
He recently, they're given this thing, it's called Forum Agent.
So they give this title to people who are somehow connected or like got any funding
or just like talked to, I don't know, people from like other countries, like mostly Europe
or US which are sanctioning Russia.
So I spoke to this agent as they call them in the government.
So this guy is famous for like libertarian guy.
He's been pushing the ideas of Austrian economics and like freedom for four years now.
And I spoke to him, I asked him like, hey, Mike, why don't you come on Nostr?
He has actually like a huge YouTube channel and like huge Telegram follower base.
And like he was like, you know, I'm not tech savvy.
I pointed him to my resource, but he hasn't replied yet.
Not sure how it's going to end.
And like we're not that much of like super friends to, you know, bother him with that.
But I guess like many people are still not ready probably.
But the devs are doing a great job.
And like it's just like mind blowing how Nostr changed for the end user in like what, two,
three, four months.
And I guess it will only improve or I believe so.
And then like it will be easier for people to join and realize like how powerful this
tool is.
And like I'm looking forward and at the same time I'm trying to provide the resources necessary
for the fellow comrades to use Nostr, to realize Nostr, to grok it and to, you know, unleash
the full power and be able to get here that like, I don't know, benefit from this thing.
It's super important.
Yeah.
It's like having my parents grow up in the Soviet Union.
It's really close to home.
On Nostr chat, CJ Ben actually asked, since you've been experienced censorship, what are
the challenges that Nostr has to solve in your opinion to really be censorship resistant?
And in addition from my end is what's the biggest difficult, most like what's the most
difficult thing that we on the Nostran can help out with to help people on board faster?
Well, I'm not really sure.
Like I like to say that I'm not tech savvy.
However, like I hear a lot that that's not true.
That like I have my level of, I don't know, computer friendliness is like much higher
than average.
And that's why I cannot really realize like what I cannot understand what can be hard
about like joining Nostr.
You just like nowadays, you just like download an app or like you open a web browser, you
open snort social and it does everything for you.
So like I don't see any difficulty.
And I guess that's one thing I should do is like speak to more people locally or whatever
and have them test Nostr and like, hey, can you check?
Like can you create an account on Nostr and tell me like what's which difficulties do
you see?
Because like I honestly cannot even imagine like what's hard about that.
But yeah, like what I do is like I participated in translation of Damos and snort.
Thanks Kiran so much for the bounty you provided for that.
And I'm going to spend it.
I subscribed to snort the same day that he rolled out the supporter thing.
And like all of that bounty will go back to Kiran and the guys who help him.
But anyways, I think that could help.
Like whenever like it's like the welcoming pages in your native language, obviously,
like it's easier for you to get started.
And I don't know, it's surprisingly surprising for me, I guess.
But like somehow like the percentage or at least what I feel of like Russian people who
are not necessarily fluent but like can comprehend English or like understand what they see.
It's very low if you compare it to the rest of the world.
Partially, I guess it's because we have a different alphabet.
But partially it's, I don't know, maybe even like can be dated back to Cold War, like US
was considered an enemy.
And like, why would you want to know like the language of learn the language of the
enemy if like they're not you're not planning to go there.
I may be mistaken here.
However, like, that's why it's so important like for us to work on, or for me to work
on continuing translating into like snort type of clients and new clients, new projects
into Russian for people to be able to realize and understand what's going on.
And like, I feel like this pretty much the same goes for like Chinese language and people
of China.
I never I didn't meet too many Chinese people who would be like fluent in English.
Obviously, there are just like, I feel like it's not that many.
Like if you compare them to Spanish speaking people, they like the percentage is higher.
So yeah, like, I want to get back to CGI is question.
I'm not sure I understand it.
So have to solve.
Okay.
Well, I'm not sure there is any challenges in terms of censorship resistant as of Nostar,
at least like not being a developer.
I don't see any it's it's the most decentralized communications protocol that I know of and
like hosting or like welcoming lots of people.
It's not like a little project of like a couple of nerds anymore.
There's like tons of people joining and I think it works out very well.
Yeah, we've seen how Chinese government bent damas on the first day and like the people
of China still can use other clients and use Nostar no matter what the government thinks
about that.
So yeah, I think it's it's doing pretty great.
Obviously, like Nostar will need or like not Nostar only like the devs or like the community,
the people who run it, who maintain Nostar apps and clients and relays.
It's important to figure out some monetization which will actually work.
I was actually like very happy when Kieran added his the option to subscribe.
And then I saw someone being upset about Nostar wine Mazin implementing the subscription model
for his filter relay.
And I was like, why would you think that's bad or that's wrong?
Like I was actually waiting for relays to become subscription based because we'll start
using subscription based models.
So I think monetization is an important thing here because like people are used to in Russia
and all over the world.
But like it's easier for me to speak for my people.
Because they used to have in free tools at their hand and like Google Docs and like Twitter
and like, I don't know, Google search and Facebook and stuff like that without realizing
they are the product and without thinking of where all that money comes from to run
Facebook and to offer the end user this amazing super smooth experience.
And I think it's our job to educate people on that and on the importance of the other
model of monetization where it's much better for you to pay a few sets, amounts for whatever
you use and then know that your data is not being sold to, I don't know, some random guys
or advertisers or like some third parties.
And like to nurture this understanding in people's minds, I think it's the biggest challenge
for us to achieve, to overcome.
I absolutely agree.
I think it's going to be, I think it's really interesting actually to see how different
angles are like, for example, for people that don't speak any English at all, that are only
Russian speakers that like, what's their initial experience like?
The setup, the language support and possibility of finding relays that they find people that
also speak their language also.
And I think it's going to be also really interesting to see in the future how's that going to differ
the whole user experience, especially like we're seeing the growing pains right now as
we're talking about value for value community and a platform for that.
Then right when we remove like a zero value reaction, we had a lot of flashback, I guess,
from the community.
People like to receive the community, like to receive value from the community, but aren't
really, I guess, ready yet to provide value back or even while it's not mandatory, I think
it's just like, it feels really, yeah, it doesn't feel normal.
I think.
Well, I totally agree with you, man, and like for, I don't know, people of like post-USSR
countries, I guess it's even like this thing is even stronger, I guess, because, you know,
I learned how to break windows when I was like, I don't know, eight or nine, because
like you can get a license to a Windows CD or whatever, yeah, version if you are in Russia
in like late nineties.
And like every kid actually like who is approximately my age, like not kid anymore, but like knows
how to download a broken Windows or how to jailbreak an iPhone.
That's the first thing I did when I bought my first iPod touch.
They broke it because I couldn't get a authentication on Apple to be able to download apps.
So we learned how to use torrents when we were like five, I guess, like if you speak
about like now.
So like people are not used to pay in Russia.
I mean, for software at least or for services.
So like it's that much harder for me to push value for value.
Well, I do that as hard as I can.
I've translated a few pieces by Gigi and like I do run a podcast and I solely advertise
it as a fountain podcast.
I do tell people that they can actually get it somewhere else on traditional platforms
like Apple podcasts or whatever, but I always like push people to use fountain.
At least that way they will see like they'll get exposed to lightning to a certain extent
and like start realizing that you can actually like pay one set per minute to a guy.
And it's not like a lot.
And like by the end of the day, but like it obviously motivates him since he's crying
like every week that come on and listen to my podcast on fountain or like look at this
value for value thing.
Look at this zaps and stuff like that.
So yeah, it's going to be like a long journey, but I just feel like it's a bit harder to
overcome here yet not impossible because I believe like people should realize that like
whenever something is free, it's actually not.
And then when they do realize it, they'll understand that like paying a few cents here
and there for service or for information is a good thing to do.
It actually frees you.
And that said, like I don't think that like anything should be pay walled.
I just think that people like I hope that we'll be able to get people acquainted with
value for value and like have them realize and have them want to share value back or
give value back for whatever they found valuable.
And like that would be like an accomplishment of my life.
Like if that happens and I see like people increasingly realize and grow value for value
and start giving back, I'll be super happy when that happens.
I actually like love the Gigi's analogy on that.
He was saying something along the lines of if you see a musician playing in a public
place, you're welcome to pass by and not like donate, not throw like an equal into his head.
But you should be aware that if you want the music to go on, you have to drop a few cents
in and like this is a big understanding to come to.
I guess it took me years to realize this.
Bitcoin and Noster helped me do that.
I hope the same happens to people all over the world.
And regarding your question on the experience of Russian speakers with Noster, it's actually
like funny because everyone I know, like I have a few followers on like on Telegram group
channel, like I have a few readers of my website and newsletter.
So like some people obviously joined when I started shouting about Noster here and there.
And I know that these people actually speak English and they're almost fluent in English.
And it's interesting for me as well to find out like what the experience would be like
for somebody who speaks zero English or like not enough at all to communicate over like
traditional clients.
However, I'll be speaking to Kiran by the way, I keep forgetting and like I'm almost
too like a bit like worried every time that I will be disturbing people from something
really important they're doing.
I know everybody has their agenda or their plans.
I mean the devs especially.
However, I did translate snort into Russian and then I recently noticed that like for
some reason the welcoming thing goes in English by default and then there is no way to switch
the language.
So like it's kind of I wouldn't want to say useless but like it doesn't do any good for
people who speak other language.
If they open an app and they see it's like all in English and they'll just say I don't
understand anything and like go probably.
So yeah, I'll I got to text Kiran regarding that.
And the funny thing I think I feel like I'm the only one who actually uses Damos in Russian.
And I do that because I actually translated it and like I'm using the Russian version
just to see if there is any screw ups I made like so I'll be able to fix them.
But English is much more convenient for me.
I'm used to doing that in English and like whenever like I speak to any of like my Russian
speaking friends and they send me a screenshot of like whatever Nostar event or thing they're
looking at like it's I see all the Russian speakers use English interface by default
and like they don't switch it.
And like I don't know but like these friends of mine like one of them is in Georgia and
the other one is in UAE so like they are fluent English speakers.
And I guess like a similar thing happened to Bitcoiners early on.
So like there was no like I don't know Russian version of the first build of Electrum wallet.
Like it was the English speaking people who would have the benefit of like upper hand
and joining such a protocol and using such tools.
And then like people who do not speak fluent English or good English they let behind because
they cannot it's not easy for them to realize how this or that works.
So I guess like to sum it up I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and like I hope my resources
will be useful for or like convince some people to join.
And by that time all the vital clients will be already available in their own native language
and it will be easy for them to start using it.
And I also saw this feature.
Demos has it I think few other clients do as well where you can limit the global feed
to your own language.
I think it's pretty cool.
I think I did check it out but like there I don't remember the outcome but the idea
is really cool about that.
So like plus mostly like what is what's very exciting for me because of like what I do
is this new non-KoC translation services.
And like I think they are not given enough credit at the moment because like for example
if you want to use like people it asks you for some personal data or like there is some
type of KoI see or something like that you have to pass.
While lightning is so cool that it enables you to just scan an invoice and enter your
end pop or whatever and like you get that service KoI see free and it's not just translations.
It's like I don't know I'm using Ellen short as well like for short links and there is
a ton of services which lightning lets you do without KoI see.
That's an important part of the puzzle because there are so many people in so many countries
which don't have access to like a proper mobile phone or requested mobile phone number or
a bank account or whatever.
So yeah that's why I find it important to have non-KoC services somehow embedded in
Noster or compatible with Noster where people can get different services they need without
having to show their passport.
I just thought about a great idea while you were speaking Tony and it might just help
with the onboarding process.
I don't know if you guys mentioned this before or you're currently doing it but actually
I don't know if you're familiar with Lists.
So I'm also like fairly new to it but basically you could curate your own experience like
your own timeline on Noster where you could actually curate a list of users and the idea
here would be for you to curate a list of known Russian language speaking Noster users
to have ready for onboarded users coming in that are natively speaking Russian for them
to have a community right off the bat and receive better help from native language speakers.
So I don't know if you've explored that yet but where I've seen it is on I believe Coracle
dot social, yeah they have it so you're able to add users to list and then you can see
these lists on a micro app like Lister, L-I-S-T-R dot L-O-L and I'm pretty sure that this is
going to become a thing because yeah I definitely think that clients should start implementing
these lists and allowing you to have sort of like different tabs where you could just
like check out these lists from within the client and you could like have your own personalized
experience sort of way without needing algorithms you could basically be your own curator of
the content that you want to see.
So that's just what I wanted to say.
Yeah lists are very cool and I actually played with them a while ago everything feels like
it's been decades already but I think Jay Ledger was the first one who implemented that
on his Nostogram and unfortunately I feel like he's either busy with something else
or he stopped active development he used to have before but that list doesn't Nostogram
lists don't support this Nader thing the format unfortunately.
So yeah I was excited when I think Jeff it was who implemented Lister or like started
Lister and it is very cool and I actually used it I wrote I started writing in English
a bit practicing the thing because I just wanted to try and I found Abla news platform
and I really enjoyed it I used to have a medium blog before.
So yeah I wrote this Nostor welcome to Nostor guide like a short version I tried to do because
we've got tons of resources and like they're very cool and very like in depth and you can
get to know everything you would ever want to know about Nostor however I felt like like
if it if it's a new user and he just joined and he doesn't want to go through all of the
documentation right now he just wants to get started first but he should like enable zaps
and like this NIP file verification like basic things so I decided to explain that like as
concise as I could and I did it in English first and I actually used lists there and
tunnel is on it as well like for Nostor ambassadors like the people you could address or you
could reach out to if you have some further questions and who will be happy to support
and like that's why one of the reasons why I find Nostor community so cool because everybody
is open everybody is ready to help so that article kind of was kind of a success I guess
like I'm not sure what's the better way to put it like CGI actually translated it into
French and like I was like wow that's that's what it feels like it's really cool and I
decided to translate it into Russian as well for fellow comrades who are lazy to look through
the whole like Nostor files resource which I put up for them and I used lists there as
well for and mentioned a few guys who are on Russian Russian speakers who are on Nostor
who can be addressed or in case somebody has any questions so yeah it is a very cool tool
and I think there's a lot of development for it like lots of things can be improved and
like to make people's interaction with Nostor more I don't know crisp and clear yeah you
can have like different lists for different topics and like depending on like the language
people speak or whatever however you want to organize these things you can that's another
beauty of Nostor because it's open it's it's it's super flexible and people come up with
new cool tools every day every minute I guess Pablo is funny that way oh yeah man Pablo
is incredible like I somebody else somebody said this earlier on but they said if you
if you've already thought about it like if you're thinking about an idea for Nostor there's
a there's a really good chance that Pablo is either currently working on it or has a
good fucking love it there was a very funny note of his where he was he was describing
some something and like he was going I don't remember what it was but it was another creation
or invention of his and he's like I implemented this thing and while he was composing that
note you can see in the note that he actually like came up with a new idea oh I just came
up with with another like cool app that will work well with the app which I just launched
so yeah it's the grass on fire he's crazy I love seeing I love waking up and just seeing
a whole bunch like there's these days that I don't know why but everybody decides to
you know show out and show their builds and show what they've currently been doing and
it just feels like Christmas every time where it's just a new update here a new update here
a new update here a new update here I'm just like holy shit being bombarded with gifts
it's like Christmas day it's amazing I love that experience I don't I don't know if anybody
else got that type of experience anywhere else but this is incredible because it's it's
truly the things that we all want to be implemented that are getting implemented slowly but surely
this experience is going to become like the one that we truly all want like it's crazy
like how yeah it's everybody is able to voice their their opinions in terms of like if you
don't like because I remember that whole like deletion spec thing people pick their size
pretty quickly like you're you know you're able to use a client that deletes if that's
how you feel about this maybe you're also able to use a client that doesn't implement
the deletion spec if that's how you feel about this you know what I mean like if it's it's
really your cup of tea at the end of the day and nobody's here to impose anything on you
you have full authority to make whatever decision you want to make in terms of like what you're
experience here is so I fucking love that.
Thank you Tony you've you've you made this hour pass by very quickly I appreciate you
so much man it's been so interesting getting to know you and hearing all about you and
about your experience here it's been incredible man like I really really really appreciate
you coming over here and hanging out with us Frogs thank you so much man.
Any last words?
Yeah I want to thank you guys obviously like you're you're doing this very cool thing and
I hope you'll do it again and I'm looking forward to hearing the recordings because
I obviously didn't manage to listen to all of it I wish you guys a lot of strength and
I believe you can do it and yeah thanks a lot for having me and you guys rock.
Thank you man.
Tanel open up your mouth.
This was an absolute pleasure like I think it's because we share a similar kind of history
so it's so I had so much to relate to which made this quite fascinating for me as well
so thank you so much for coming on love you buddy.
I didn't say it but I come from a communist country as well so I can relate to everything
you said so thank you bro appreciate you so much.
Thanks guys it was super awesome.
Alright and I'm stopping the recording here.