1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,260 Welcome Tony, we're very happy to have you on the, this is the 12th hour right? 2 00:00:06,260 --> 00:00:08,760 Yeah, it should be 12th hour. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,780 12th hour of our 24 hour nest. 4 00:00:11,780 --> 00:00:13,900 We're very happy to have you. 5 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:14,900 Welcome Tony. 6 00:00:14,900 --> 00:00:19,780 Yeah, how are you? 7 00:00:19,780 --> 00:00:22,580 Thanks guys, pleasure is all mine. 8 00:00:22,580 --> 00:00:26,860 And I'm sorry for stealing like eight minutes of your time. 9 00:00:26,860 --> 00:00:27,860 No. 10 00:00:27,860 --> 00:00:32,400 I'm being stupid with the tech side of the things. 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,400 That's actually the first time I'm on the stage on this. 12 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,640 So I had to figure this thing out and the brain browser didn't do a good job. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:45,320 It's fine for listening, I guess, but not for speaking. 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,640 Anyways, I'm great. 15 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:55,160 And I've been super stoked to be here with you guys and speak about, I don't know, censorship 16 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,600 resistant protocols a bit, I guess. 17 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:04,840 And I was actually, I could hear part of the discussion you had with CGI Bean and Satoshi 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,920 Tikko and I was very upset. 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,040 I couldn't say anything or get hurt. 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:15,060 So I hope we'll fix it now. 21 00:01:15,060 --> 00:01:23,640 So yeah, I guess should I tell a bit about myself or what I do first or how do you see 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,640 this? 23 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,040 Yeah, no, please do. 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,560 This is honestly, we have no format here. 25 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,440 You can basically just do whatever you like. 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,680 If honestly, Tony, the stage is yours, you can do anything you like. 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,840 I'm not going to like, it's yours, brother. 28 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:40,840 It's yours. 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:41,840 We're sharing this. 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Cool. 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:43,840 Thanks. 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:51,560 So anyways, I was thinking that it would be nice to speak about Bitcoin and Mostar a bit 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:02:01,360 because these are vital tools for people who reside in my region mostly or like, I don't 34 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,800 want to say oppressed because it sounds like really rough. 35 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:13,560 However, there's a certain level of censorship towards people where I live. 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,760 I reside in, I don't know, let's say Russia. 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,620 It's a little more complicated than that with the latest events. 38 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:29,760 So I don't even know which country should I say I'm from or like where I reside. 39 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Anyways, there's a ton of sanctions going on and stuff like that. 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:40,840 That's why I find these protocols super important, important as never before now. 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:48,160 And that's actually one of the reasons I've started 21ideas.org project, which is, it's 42 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:54,000 crazy when I'm saying it out loud, but it's actually the only Bitcoin only resource in 43 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,760 Russian language. 44 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,260 And I find it, oh, I hope, or I like to think that it's very important for people to get 45 00:03:03,260 --> 00:03:10,240 acquainted and familiarize themselves with Bitcoin without having all that shit going 46 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,280 noise and stuff like that. 47 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:18,560 And actually, that's one of the reasons I started 21ideas is because I used to be a 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,920 shitcoiner back in my day. 49 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:27,740 And when I just joined, I got overwhelmed with so much info on different shitcoins and 50 00:03:27,740 --> 00:03:33,160 trade that and flip this and I don't know, swap this token for that token, make money. 51 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,080 And like, I thought this was what crypto all about. 52 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:48,880 And like, this is the way and it took me like a year, like from early 2017 to mid 2018 to 53 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:55,560 realize that Bitcoin is the only signal among all the noise we hear in this broader crypto 54 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,920 community, so to say. 55 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,520 And yeah, that's been my journey. 56 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,680 I'm in this for over four years. 57 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,660 I'm in education. 58 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:13,080 And recently I discovered Noster and it was like another breath of fresh air because I 59 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:19,520 actually have trouble and I know many people who live nearby, they have trouble accessing 60 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:29,060 Twitter or some centralized, well, it so coincided that it's a US platform or US based platform. 61 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:37,760 You do need this SMS verification and like all that crap, which actually like keeps so 62 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:44,680 many people out and like they don't have an opportunity to get heard or share what they 63 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:54,120 saw or like actually living in such regions, it's important to broadcast or like show the 64 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,680 documentation of some things which are happening, which shouldn't be happening. 65 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:09,720 So yeah, Noster fixes this and it's really amazing that these tools exist. 66 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:15,960 And it's, I guess, even more amazing for me that not too many people pay attention to 67 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,640 them. 68 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:23,120 I guess we're, as we like to say, we're still early and like it's the learning curve is 69 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,400 somewhat like bigger for Noster, steeper. 70 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:34,400 However, I hope this will change and like I'm working hard on helping people get on board. 71 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,640 I actually started Noster files project. 72 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:47,080 It's just like a simple resources, Noster resources page for the Russian speaking community 73 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:56,000 and I collect all the info and explain like different parts of how protocol works and 74 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:04,480 what zaps are like the basic stuff, something like Noster how I guess I took a lot of ideas 75 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,640 from Jeff's website. 76 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:17,880 So yeah, that's pretty much what I do. 77 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:18,880 That was amazing, Tony. 78 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Thank you so much, man. 79 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,200 Fuck, so much to unpack. 80 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,720 I honestly, I shouldn't have closed this out. 81 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,800 Damn, I had a whole sheet over here. 82 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:41,320 Tony, I kind of wanted to ask you, what brought you to Noster and what made you stay, to be 83 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:42,320 honest? 84 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:50,600 Like, yeah, what brought you here and what made you stay? 85 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:57,360 Well, obviously, like I've been interested in like, what's gonna replace Twitter ever 86 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:58,800 since I started. 87 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:05,600 I actually lived like half of my life abroad and like I had to come back recently for family 88 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:06,600 reasons. 89 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:15,960 And like, you know, when I came back to Russia, I actually like at the same time, I remembered 90 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:23,760 Alex Gladstein's article and recently he published a book as well, Check Your Financial Privilege. 91 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:30,280 And I realized that like living in Dubai for about 10 years or so working there, I never 92 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:31,960 checked my financial privilege. 93 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,920 I took everything for granted and like I could access Twitter. 94 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,640 I could like send money pretty much anywhere. 95 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:47,600 And that pretty much stopped whenever I came into like a country which is under heavy sanctions. 96 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:53,160 And I actually realized the importance of censorship resistant protocols, especially 97 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,880 Bitcoin and Noster, because I was born and raised in Crimea, which is a huge political 98 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,600 dispute at the moment, that region. 99 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,600 And I don't live there for quite a while, but my parents do. 100 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:13,360 And like when I had to send some money to my mom from UAE, I couldn't do that because 101 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,880 she was in Crimea and she used the Crimean Bank. 102 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:22,640 So basically, I guess like when I came back here, I started getting problems connecting 103 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:31,520 to Twitter and like speaking to people I know who are like US citizens or Canadians or whatever. 104 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:37,760 And I've been thinking of like what can replace Twitter? 105 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:38,760 What's it going to be? 106 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:44,760 And like there was some fuzz around Nostadon for a while and like that didn't really work 107 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,240 out that well or as intended. 108 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,720 And then I saw Truth Social and stuff like that started popping up. 109 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,080 But like, I don't know, it's just like I think it's about the feeling, my feeling that Trump 110 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,160 is more like a meme guy. 111 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,000 So like I never checked Truth Social out. 112 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:12,600 And then somehow like I stumbled upon Noster, actually I stumbled upon Demos, I'm not sure 113 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:18,200 how to pronounce that, last summer. 114 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,080 And I opened it, I didn't really dig it. 115 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,640 I didn't realize like what's happening. 116 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:32,160 But then at the beginning of the year, I saw like people start joining and then Jack's 117 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:39,480 tweet obviously like gave some, I don't know how you say, credibility to Noster in my eyes. 118 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:45,080 And I started checking it out and I started seeing a bigger picture. 119 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:50,400 And that's what made me stay and that's what got me excited, I guess. 120 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:57,040 We just spoke to Arthur Brugman like a few, like last week, I guess, about how Noster 121 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,120 is bigger than just a social media. 122 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:10,320 And I think it's that understanding that should like keep many people, make them stay because 123 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,640 like Twitter or like social media is important. 124 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:21,720 However, like all this interoperability we see between the apps and like we speak on 125 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,320 Nests now. 126 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:30,760 And like whenever I leave a comment on Noster chat, it goes like everybody can see it. 127 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:40,000 And like this is the cool thing which like excites me, I guess, the most about it. 128 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,600 That's why I find it cool. 129 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:47,200 But mostly I think understanding Bitcoin helps digging Noster a lot. 130 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:55,420 Like if you have some understanding of the importance and vitality of say open censorship 131 00:10:55,420 --> 00:11:00,000 resistant protocols, it's easy for you to understand Noster. 132 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,040 If you don't have that understanding, it's hard for you to realize that Noster is not 133 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,040 another Twitter. 134 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,760 So yeah, that's probably how it goes. 135 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:13,760 I agree. 136 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,760 I agree. 137 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:20,360 Before I ask you any more questions, I wanted to see if Tano, you currently available and 138 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,160 want to ask Tony any questions? 139 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,160 Oh, no. 140 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,120 I just wanted to ask you to go ahead because I'm currently setting up stuff in the spreadsheet 141 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,120 right now. 142 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,560 You're setting up stuff in the spreadsheet? 143 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,800 Yeah. 144 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,280 The questions coming forward and all that. 145 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,280 Okay. 146 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Sounds good. 147 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Sounds good. 148 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,280 I tend to forget. 149 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,120 I'm not even in Noster chat right now. 150 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:50,320 But yeah, we should utilize Noster chat a little bit more in terms of it's a good tool 151 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:56,960 right now even to use to ask you questions, Tony. 152 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,440 Noster chat, we've been using it almost like how many? 153 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Yeah, since like since we started this to actually have the community on there and speak 154 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:11,600 amongst each other and ask questions to the speakers while they're live. 155 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,200 So I don't know if any of you are on there and want to ask any questions right now. 156 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,200 You could. 157 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,560 You have that option. 158 00:12:20,560 --> 00:12:24,680 I can't wait till it's actually integrated with something like this with Noster and us. 159 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,360 So you could actually have it all in one app. 160 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,000 That'd be pretty fucking sweet. 161 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Yeah, that would be really cool. 162 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,920 I actually went on Noster chat to come in about my issues, like technical issues, and 163 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,400 I saw that like there is not much activity there. 164 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:49,320 However, I see a comment now. 165 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:56,440 The guy with a very hard to pronounce name or name says he runs a node because of me. 166 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:03,680 And I think he's mistaken me for some other crypto Tony because I am a Bitcoin only Tony, 167 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,120 not crypto Tony. 168 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Or it could be me. 169 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:11,280 You're on the news. 170 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,280 Oh, I see it. 171 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:19,800 Because I was going to ask you if you were on the right now on the 24 hour frog talk 172 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,160 channel inside of the house. 173 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,400 I can't even see the people's profiles. 174 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:31,000 I only see and pubs and like a generic PFP. 175 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Not sure it's because of my relays on that account. 176 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,240 But I'll figure it out some other time. 177 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,880 But yeah, tunnel, you keep doing what you're doing. 178 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,960 Yeah, I just wanted to go ahead. 179 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Sorry. 180 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Did you did you end up putting them together? 181 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,840 Yeah, yeah, those questions in the fall. 182 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,600 And so I wanted to just gather them all up for the coming hours when we won't most likely 183 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,920 will be barely even conscious to even find our questions. 184 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,920 So anyway, so yeah. 185 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:07,920 All right. 186 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:08,920 Okay. 187 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Sounds good. 188 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Sounds good. 189 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:11,920 Sounds good. 190 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:12,920 Yeah. 191 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Are you? 192 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:18,880 And I kind of want to ask you. 193 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:26,800 So so the only thing I really know from well, not the only thing I know, but I know that 194 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,440 certain activists are very like the one that I know for a fact from like, you know, that 195 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,400 was Russian is I try to remember her name. 196 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,400 She's the one from from them. 197 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:46,320 I don't want to fucking get this wrong. 198 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,320 Pussy Riot. 199 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,320 I think that's what it's called. 200 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,320 You know who I'm talking about? 201 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,320 Tony? 202 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,840 No, not really. 203 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,400 I'm not really aware of any. 204 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,360 You need the processing group. 205 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,360 Yeah, not. 206 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Yeah, I just remember her name now. 207 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,920 Nadia. 208 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:03,920 She had gotten arrested. 209 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,920 She was Russian like when she was younger. 210 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:13,400 And yeah, now she's an activist and she goes on like TED talks or whatever and meets in 211 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:20,720 like government offices and talks about like the regime, Putin's regime. 212 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,880 And you know, and yeah, she's an advocate for like censorship resistant. 213 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:32,720 I'm pretty sure she would be like a really good person to like on board on here on Nostra 214 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,920 because it's you know, it's basically a safe space for them to communicate. 215 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,520 I remember when she was saying that Telegram was really like the only place for them to 216 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:51,040 communicate at a certain point in time, maybe like two years ago or something like that. 217 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:58,760 But yeah, I think people like her that are activists and are kicked out of the country 218 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,760 or jailed should have like a platform like this to communicate with their family back 219 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:11,520 there and also like, you know, help, you know, open up the eyes of the people that are still 220 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,720 trapped over there. 221 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:16,720 Or not even open up. 222 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:17,720 100 percent agree. 223 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,720 Yeah. 224 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:19,720 100 percent. 225 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:24,240 And it's kind of hard to keep track. 226 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:31,480 I actually didn't hear about like this lady, but it's hard to keep track of people who 227 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:37,800 get arrested, especially in like the past year because obviously for political reasons, 228 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:44,480 many people voice their opinion and it's not really welcomed here. 229 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,960 And like there are some absurd situations where people get thrown in jail for standing 230 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:56,160 like on some in some public place and with an empty piece of paper. 231 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:02,000 And then like they just get thrown to jail for that. 232 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,400 And obviously Nostra fixes this because like, as I said, like sometimes or like for some 233 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:15,040 people it's hard, like your mobile number will not be legit for Twitter, for example, 234 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,920 to verify or like some traditional platforms. 235 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,840 They don't allow like Russian citizens to verify themselves and then use it. 236 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:30,800 And then if you use local social media, we have a couple. 237 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:37,320 One which is quite popular, I guess, is actually made by the same guy who made Telegram. 238 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,120 Pavel Durov. 239 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:44,880 And but they took it away from him and then now it's being censored and watched and stuff 240 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:45,880 like that. 241 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,880 And you have to verify yourself, like not with a passport, but like with a mobile number, 242 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,280 which is end of the day tied to your identity. 243 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,200 You cannot buy a SIM card here without presenting your passport. 244 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,080 Well, it's very hard to do. 245 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,640 So like if you use local social media, then like they can knock on your door tomorrow 246 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:11,600 and like ask whatever questions they find fit or like find you automatically at the 247 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:12,600 same time. 248 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:13,760 It actually happened to my friend. 249 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Like he got a fine for discrediting the Russian army. 250 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Like you know, when you say something publicly, which they don't like, they put you, they 251 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,520 can do whatever they want. 252 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,320 And then he automatically like got deducted some money from his bank account, something 253 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,520 like that. 254 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,040 And it's like really crazy. 255 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:42,200 And we've got this, I think every country, some way works on that, but we've got this 256 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,840 centralized service where like you can upload all of your documents and like driver's license 257 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,880 and like all of your info. 258 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,440 And they say, look how convenient it is. 259 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:58,680 You can just like, you upload all of that stuff and then like you have the single identity, 260 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:05,200 which you can use on all the like platforms or open available to pay for any community 261 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,760 services or whatever. 262 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:14,600 However, it's like, it's the scariest tool, I guess, like where like government has all 263 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:19,280 of your, everything you own, everything you are, they have it at their fingertips and 264 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:26,920 they can block this or like charge that without your consent or without even asking. 265 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,560 And I think it's just gonna become worse and like more scary. 266 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:39,800 And that's why Noster is so exciting because I see it allows people to have a single identity. 267 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:46,840 However, like in a very different centralized, decentralized and censorship resistant way 268 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:53,200 where like you can be anonymous and you can still have this single identity where you 269 00:19:53,200 --> 00:20:02,080 chat on Damos and then you go on the marketplace, you pay for some purchase and service or some 270 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:07,360 good and like everything is based on a censorship resistant money. 271 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:13,660 So there is no point of single, what do you call it? 272 00:20:13,660 --> 00:20:14,660 Single point of failure. 273 00:20:14,660 --> 00:20:15,660 Yeah. 274 00:20:15,660 --> 00:20:22,400 Or like there is no place where they can stop you or like stop the, I don't know, relay 275 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:33,480 operators or stop the client operators or maintainers because money is Bitcoin, money 276 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,160 used is Bitcoin, it's censorship resistant and Noster is a protocol, not much you can 277 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,520 do to fight that. 278 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,840 It's like fighting an idea. 279 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:52,440 So yeah, obviously like I'm looking forward to seeing more fellow Russian speakers and 280 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,880 like, by the way, I wanted to say it out loud just in case because I realized not too many 281 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:06,360 people think or know that Russian speakers are not necessarily Russian nationals, like 282 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,400 Ukrainians speak Russian, most of them. 283 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:17,320 And there is a ton of country, mostly post USSR countries like Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, 284 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:23,920 Belarus, Moldova, even Latvian, Lithuanian people speak Russian. 285 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,520 I spoke to those guys in Russian. 286 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,960 I myself also speak Ukrainian and I can somewhat understand Polish and Serbian. 287 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:39,120 So like it's a huge potential like community which is yet to come here. 288 00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:47,080 I actually spoke to one of the prominent guys here in, well, he doesn't reside in Russia 289 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,880 anymore for obvious reasons. 290 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:56,840 He recently, they're given this thing, it's called Forum Agent. 291 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:02,440 So they give this title to people who are somehow connected or like got any funding 292 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:11,120 or just like talked to, I don't know, people from like other countries, like mostly Europe 293 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:16,280 or US which are sanctioning Russia. 294 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:22,520 So I spoke to this agent as they call them in the government. 295 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:28,840 So this guy is famous for like libertarian guy. 296 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:37,280 He's been pushing the ideas of Austrian economics and like freedom for four years now. 297 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:42,480 And I spoke to him, I asked him like, hey, Mike, why don't you come on Nostr? 298 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:51,280 He has actually like a huge YouTube channel and like huge Telegram follower base. 299 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,880 And like he was like, you know, I'm not tech savvy. 300 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:00,880 I pointed him to my resource, but he hasn't replied yet. 301 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,280 Not sure how it's going to end. 302 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,640 And like we're not that much of like super friends to, you know, bother him with that. 303 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:11,760 But I guess like many people are still not ready probably. 304 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,120 But the devs are doing a great job. 305 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:21,480 And like it's just like mind blowing how Nostr changed for the end user in like what, two, 306 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,440 three, four months. 307 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,120 And I guess it will only improve or I believe so. 308 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:36,400 And then like it will be easier for people to join and realize like how powerful this 309 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,400 tool is. 310 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:43,440 And like I'm looking forward and at the same time I'm trying to provide the resources necessary 311 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:52,800 for the fellow comrades to use Nostr, to realize Nostr, to grok it and to, you know, unleash 312 00:23:52,800 --> 00:24:03,280 the full power and be able to get here that like, I don't know, benefit from this thing. 313 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,400 It's super important. 314 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,160 Yeah. 315 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,000 Yeah. 316 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:17,120 It's like having my parents grow up in the Soviet Union. 317 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,680 It's really close to home. 318 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:28,800 On Nostr chat, CJ Ben actually asked, since you've been experienced censorship, what are 319 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:34,840 the challenges that Nostr has to solve in your opinion to really be censorship resistant? 320 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:41,520 And in addition from my end is what's the biggest difficult, most like what's the most 321 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:49,240 difficult thing that we on the Nostran can help out with to help people on board faster? 322 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,680 Well, I'm not really sure. 323 00:24:54,680 --> 00:25:00,640 Like I like to say that I'm not tech savvy. 324 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,320 However, like I hear a lot that that's not true. 325 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,600 That like I have my level of, I don't know, computer friendliness is like much higher 326 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,240 than average. 327 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:19,880 And that's why I cannot really realize like what I cannot understand what can be hard 328 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,800 about like joining Nostr. 329 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,600 You just like nowadays, you just like download an app or like you open a web browser, you 330 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:33,280 open snort social and it does everything for you. 331 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,720 So like I don't see any difficulty. 332 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:42,720 And I guess that's one thing I should do is like speak to more people locally or whatever 333 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,840 and have them test Nostr and like, hey, can you check? 334 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:53,360 Like can you create an account on Nostr and tell me like what's which difficulties do 335 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:54,360 you see? 336 00:25:54,360 --> 00:26:01,000 Because like I honestly cannot even imagine like what's hard about that. 337 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:10,080 But yeah, like what I do is like I participated in translation of Damos and snort. 338 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,680 Thanks Kiran so much for the bounty you provided for that. 339 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,160 And I'm going to spend it. 340 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:24,040 I subscribed to snort the same day that he rolled out the supporter thing. 341 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:30,140 And like all of that bounty will go back to Kiran and the guys who help him. 342 00:26:30,140 --> 00:26:34,640 But anyways, I think that could help. 343 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:42,000 Like whenever like it's like the welcoming pages in your native language, obviously, 344 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,680 like it's easier for you to get started. 345 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,680 And I don't know, it's surprisingly surprising for me, I guess. 346 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:56,600 But like somehow like the percentage or at least what I feel of like Russian people who 347 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:04,360 are not necessarily fluent but like can comprehend English or like understand what they see. 348 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:08,520 It's very low if you compare it to the rest of the world. 349 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:13,520 Partially, I guess it's because we have a different alphabet. 350 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:21,000 But partially it's, I don't know, maybe even like can be dated back to Cold War, like US 351 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,360 was considered an enemy. 352 00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:29,640 And like, why would you want to know like the language of learn the language of the 353 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,640 enemy if like they're not you're not planning to go there. 354 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,800 I may be mistaken here. 355 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:45,480 However, like, that's why it's so important like for us to work on, or for me to work 356 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,600 on continuing translating into like snort type of clients and new clients, new projects 357 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:56,800 into Russian for people to be able to realize and understand what's going on. 358 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:02,600 And like, I feel like this pretty much the same goes for like Chinese language and people 359 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,640 of China. 360 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:11,320 I never I didn't meet too many Chinese people who would be like fluent in English. 361 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:17,320 Obviously, there are just like, I feel like it's not that many. 362 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Like if you compare them to Spanish speaking people, they like the percentage is higher. 363 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:30,920 So yeah, like, I want to get back to CGI is question. 364 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,360 I'm not sure I understand it. 365 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,640 So have to solve. 366 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,640 Okay. 367 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:47,040 Well, I'm not sure there is any challenges in terms of censorship resistant as of Nostar, 368 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,480 at least like not being a developer. 369 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:58,680 I don't see any it's it's the most decentralized communications protocol that I know of and 370 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,440 like hosting or like welcoming lots of people. 371 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:09,960 It's not like a little project of like a couple of nerds anymore. 372 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:17,600 There's like tons of people joining and I think it works out very well. 373 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:24,640 Yeah, we've seen how Chinese government bent damas on the first day and like the people 374 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:34,000 of China still can use other clients and use Nostar no matter what the government thinks 375 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,120 about that. 376 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,800 So yeah, I think it's it's doing pretty great. 377 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:47,280 Obviously, like Nostar will need or like not Nostar only like the devs or like the community, 378 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:54,600 the people who run it, who maintain Nostar apps and clients and relays. 379 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,520 It's important to figure out some monetization which will actually work. 380 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:09,200 I was actually like very happy when Kieran added his the option to subscribe. 381 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:20,400 And then I saw someone being upset about Nostar wine Mazin implementing the subscription model 382 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,600 for his filter relay. 383 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,120 And I was like, why would you think that's bad or that's wrong? 384 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:32,240 Like I was actually waiting for relays to become subscription based because we'll start 385 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,560 using subscription based models. 386 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:42,280 So I think monetization is an important thing here because like people are used to in Russia 387 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,000 and all over the world. 388 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,440 But like it's easier for me to speak for my people. 389 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:56,960 Because they used to have in free tools at their hand and like Google Docs and like Twitter 390 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,280 and like, I don't know, Google search and Facebook and stuff like that without realizing 391 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:10,120 they are the product and without thinking of where all that money comes from to run 392 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:21,040 Facebook and to offer the end user this amazing super smooth experience. 393 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:33,080 And I think it's our job to educate people on that and on the importance of the other 394 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:39,720 model of monetization where it's much better for you to pay a few sets, amounts for whatever 395 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:48,120 you use and then know that your data is not being sold to, I don't know, some random guys 396 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:54,280 or advertisers or like some third parties. 397 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:03,040 And like to nurture this understanding in people's minds, I think it's the biggest challenge 398 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,800 for us to achieve, to overcome. 399 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760 I absolutely agree. 400 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:17,960 I think it's going to be, I think it's really interesting actually to see how different 401 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,080 angles are like, for example, for people that don't speak any English at all, that are only 402 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,760 Russian speakers that like, what's their initial experience like? 403 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:34,220 The setup, the language support and possibility of finding relays that they find people that 404 00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:36,840 also speak their language also. 405 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:46,920 And I think it's going to be also really interesting to see in the future how's that going to differ 406 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,920 the whole user experience, especially like we're seeing the growing pains right now as 407 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,040 we're talking about value for value community and a platform for that. 408 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:05,960 Then right when we remove like a zero value reaction, we had a lot of flashback, I guess, 409 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,240 from the community. 410 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,800 People like to receive the community, like to receive value from the community, but aren't 411 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:22,640 really, I guess, ready yet to provide value back or even while it's not mandatory, I think 412 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:29,040 it's just like, it feels really, yeah, it doesn't feel normal. 413 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,040 I think. 414 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:38,920 Well, I totally agree with you, man, and like for, I don't know, people of like post-USSR 415 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:49,320 countries, I guess it's even like this thing is even stronger, I guess, because, you know, 416 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:55,680 I learned how to break windows when I was like, I don't know, eight or nine, because 417 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:05,000 like you can get a license to a Windows CD or whatever, yeah, version if you are in Russia 418 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,280 in like late nineties. 419 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:13,920 And like every kid actually like who is approximately my age, like not kid anymore, but like knows 420 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:20,860 how to download a broken Windows or how to jailbreak an iPhone. 421 00:34:20,860 --> 00:34:23,800 That's the first thing I did when I bought my first iPod touch. 422 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:33,440 They broke it because I couldn't get a authentication on Apple to be able to download apps. 423 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:40,880 So we learned how to use torrents when we were like five, I guess, like if you speak 424 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,820 about like now. 425 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:47,320 So like people are not used to pay in Russia. 426 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,960 I mean, for software at least or for services. 427 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,080 So like it's that much harder for me to push value for value. 428 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,360 Well, I do that as hard as I can. 429 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:09,440 I've translated a few pieces by Gigi and like I do run a podcast and I solely advertise 430 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480 it as a fountain podcast. 431 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,880 I do tell people that they can actually get it somewhere else on traditional platforms 432 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:23,720 like Apple podcasts or whatever, but I always like push people to use fountain. 433 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:29,040 At least that way they will see like they'll get exposed to lightning to a certain extent 434 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:36,320 and like start realizing that you can actually like pay one set per minute to a guy. 435 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,320 And it's not like a lot. 436 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:44,360 And like by the end of the day, but like it obviously motivates him since he's crying 437 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,640 like every week that come on and listen to my podcast on fountain or like look at this 438 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:50,920 value for value thing. 439 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,240 Look at this zaps and stuff like that. 440 00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:01,960 So yeah, it's going to be like a long journey, but I just feel like it's a bit harder to 441 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,920 overcome here yet not impossible because I believe like people should realize that like 442 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,360 whenever something is free, it's actually not. 443 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:19,240 And then when they do realize it, they'll understand that like paying a few cents here 444 00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:28,560 and there for service or for information is a good thing to do. 445 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,160 It actually frees you. 446 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:35,120 And that said, like I don't think that like anything should be pay walled. 447 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:43,120 I just think that people like I hope that we'll be able to get people acquainted with 448 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,240 value for value and like have them realize and have them want to share value back or 449 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:54,800 give value back for whatever they found valuable. 450 00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:00,680 And like that would be like an accomplishment of my life. 451 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:07,160 Like if that happens and I see like people increasingly realize and grow value for value 452 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:13,720 and start giving back, I'll be super happy when that happens. 453 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:18,200 I actually like love the Gigi's analogy on that. 454 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,640 He was saying something along the lines of if you see a musician playing in a public 455 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:33,440 place, you're welcome to pass by and not like donate, not throw like an equal into his head. 456 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:40,200 But you should be aware that if you want the music to go on, you have to drop a few cents 457 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:47,520 in and like this is a big understanding to come to. 458 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880 I guess it took me years to realize this. 459 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,160 Bitcoin and Noster helped me do that. 460 00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:02,040 I hope the same happens to people all over the world. 461 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:09,160 And regarding your question on the experience of Russian speakers with Noster, it's actually 462 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:16,920 like funny because everyone I know, like I have a few followers on like on Telegram group 463 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:23,160 channel, like I have a few readers of my website and newsletter. 464 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:29,720 So like some people obviously joined when I started shouting about Noster here and there. 465 00:38:29,720 --> 00:38:35,200 And I know that these people actually speak English and they're almost fluent in English. 466 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,960 And it's interesting for me as well to find out like what the experience would be like 467 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:53,360 for somebody who speaks zero English or like not enough at all to communicate over like 468 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,960 traditional clients. 469 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,920 However, I'll be speaking to Kiran by the way, I keep forgetting and like I'm almost 470 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:07,000 too like a bit like worried every time that I will be disturbing people from something 471 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,440 really important they're doing. 472 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,600 I know everybody has their agenda or their plans. 473 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,680 I mean the devs especially. 474 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:20,440 However, I did translate snort into Russian and then I recently noticed that like for 475 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:27,960 some reason the welcoming thing goes in English by default and then there is no way to switch 476 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,460 the language. 477 00:39:29,460 --> 00:39:37,240 So like it's kind of I wouldn't want to say useless but like it doesn't do any good for 478 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:41,200 people who speak other language. 479 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,880 If they open an app and they see it's like all in English and they'll just say I don't 480 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,280 understand anything and like go probably. 481 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,940 So yeah, I'll I got to text Kiran regarding that. 482 00:39:56,940 --> 00:40:02,240 And the funny thing I think I feel like I'm the only one who actually uses Damos in Russian. 483 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:09,940 And I do that because I actually translated it and like I'm using the Russian version 484 00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:15,940 just to see if there is any screw ups I made like so I'll be able to fix them. 485 00:40:15,940 --> 00:40:18,760 But English is much more convenient for me. 486 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,700 I'm used to doing that in English and like whenever like I speak to any of like my Russian 487 00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:32,800 speaking friends and they send me a screenshot of like whatever Nostar event or thing they're 488 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:39,280 looking at like it's I see all the Russian speakers use English interface by default 489 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,080 and like they don't switch it. 490 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,280 And like I don't know but like these friends of mine like one of them is in Georgia and 491 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,120 the other one is in UAE so like they are fluent English speakers. 492 00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,680 And I guess like a similar thing happened to Bitcoiners early on. 493 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:04,400 So like there was no like I don't know Russian version of the first build of Electrum wallet. 494 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:11,160 Like it was the English speaking people who would have the benefit of like upper hand 495 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,320 and joining such a protocol and using such tools. 496 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:23,520 And then like people who do not speak fluent English or good English they let behind because 497 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,300 they cannot it's not easy for them to realize how this or that works. 498 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:38,540 So I guess like to sum it up I'll just continue doing what I'm doing and like I hope my resources 499 00:41:38,540 --> 00:41:44,000 will be useful for or like convince some people to join. 500 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:53,320 And by that time all the vital clients will be already available in their own native language 501 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,640 and it will be easy for them to start using it. 502 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,880 And I also saw this feature. 503 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,120 Demos has it I think few other clients do as well where you can limit the global feed 504 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,240 to your own language. 505 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,400 I think it's pretty cool. 506 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:17,920 I think I did check it out but like there I don't remember the outcome but the idea 507 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,440 is really cool about that. 508 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:28,040 So like plus mostly like what is what's very exciting for me because of like what I do 509 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:33,400 is this new non-KoC translation services. 510 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:40,160 And like I think they are not given enough credit at the moment because like for example 511 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:47,520 if you want to use like people it asks you for some personal data or like there is some 512 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,560 type of KoI see or something like that you have to pass. 513 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:59,240 While lightning is so cool that it enables you to just scan an invoice and enter your 514 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:05,240 end pop or whatever and like you get that service KoI see free and it's not just translations. 515 00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:11,440 It's like I don't know I'm using Ellen short as well like for short links and there is 516 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,040 a ton of services which lightning lets you do without KoI see. 517 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:22,840 That's an important part of the puzzle because there are so many people in so many countries 518 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:32,080 which don't have access to like a proper mobile phone or requested mobile phone number or 519 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,600 a bank account or whatever. 520 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:46,680 So yeah that's why I find it important to have non-KoC services somehow embedded in 521 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:54,440 Noster or compatible with Noster where people can get different services they need without 522 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,800 having to show their passport. 523 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:07,320 I just thought about a great idea while you were speaking Tony and it might just help 524 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,920 with the onboarding process. 525 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,960 I don't know if you guys mentioned this before or you're currently doing it but actually 526 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:21,200 I don't know if you're familiar with Lists. 527 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:30,960 So I'm also like fairly new to it but basically you could curate your own experience like 528 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:40,520 your own timeline on Noster where you could actually curate a list of users and the idea 529 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:48,040 here would be for you to curate a list of known Russian language speaking Noster users 530 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:55,680 to have ready for onboarded users coming in that are natively speaking Russian for them 531 00:44:55,680 --> 00:45:06,520 to have a community right off the bat and receive better help from native language speakers. 532 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:15,440 So I don't know if you've explored that yet but where I've seen it is on I believe Coracle 533 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:24,640 dot social, yeah they have it so you're able to add users to list and then you can see 534 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:39,080 these lists on a micro app like Lister, L-I-S-T-R dot L-O-L and I'm pretty sure that this is 535 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:44,000 going to become a thing because yeah I definitely think that clients should start implementing 536 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,760 these lists and allowing you to have sort of like different tabs where you could just 537 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:56,560 like check out these lists from within the client and you could like have your own personalized 538 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:05,440 experience sort of way without needing algorithms you could basically be your own curator of 539 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,080 the content that you want to see. 540 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:13,640 So that's just what I wanted to say. 541 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,600 Yeah lists are very cool and I actually played with them a while ago everything feels like 542 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:26,680 it's been decades already but I think Jay Ledger was the first one who implemented that 543 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:32,320 on his Nostogram and unfortunately I feel like he's either busy with something else 544 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:41,000 or he stopped active development he used to have before but that list doesn't Nostogram 545 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:47,840 lists don't support this Nader thing the format unfortunately. 546 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:53,600 So yeah I was excited when I think Jeff it was who implemented Lister or like started 547 00:46:53,600 --> 00:47:01,440 Lister and it is very cool and I actually used it I wrote I started writing in English 548 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:10,600 a bit practicing the thing because I just wanted to try and I found Abla news platform 549 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:15,920 and I really enjoyed it I used to have a medium blog before. 550 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:23,480 So yeah I wrote this Nostor welcome to Nostor guide like a short version I tried to do because 551 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:29,240 we've got tons of resources and like they're very cool and very like in depth and you can 552 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:35,120 get to know everything you would ever want to know about Nostor however I felt like like 553 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,800 if it if it's a new user and he just joined and he doesn't want to go through all of the 554 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:46,360 documentation right now he just wants to get started first but he should like enable zaps 555 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:54,180 and like this NIP file verification like basic things so I decided to explain that like as 556 00:47:54,180 --> 00:47:59,920 concise as I could and I did it in English first and I actually used lists there and 557 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:09,720 tunnel is on it as well like for Nostor ambassadors like the people you could address or you 558 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:14,720 could reach out to if you have some further questions and who will be happy to support 559 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:20,200 and like that's why one of the reasons why I find Nostor community so cool because everybody 560 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:27,760 is open everybody is ready to help so that article kind of was kind of a success I guess 561 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,680 like I'm not sure what's the better way to put it like CGI actually translated it into 562 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:40,120 French and like I was like wow that's that's what it feels like it's really cool and I 563 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:49,240 decided to translate it into Russian as well for fellow comrades who are lazy to look through 564 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:56,880 the whole like Nostor files resource which I put up for them and I used lists there as 565 00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:04,480 well for and mentioned a few guys who are on Russian Russian speakers who are on Nostor 566 00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:13,500 who can be addressed or in case somebody has any questions so yeah it is a very cool tool 567 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:19,680 and I think there's a lot of development for it like lots of things can be improved and 568 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:27,840 like to make people's interaction with Nostor more I don't know crisp and clear yeah you 569 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:35,680 can have like different lists for different topics and like depending on like the language 570 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:41,960 people speak or whatever however you want to organize these things you can that's another 571 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,400 beauty of Nostor because it's open it's it's it's super flexible and people come up with 572 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:57,120 new cool tools every day every minute I guess Pablo is funny that way oh yeah man Pablo 573 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:03,760 is incredible like I somebody else somebody said this earlier on but they said if you 574 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,960 if you've already thought about it like if you're thinking about an idea for Nostor there's 575 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:15,960 a there's a really good chance that Pablo is either currently working on it or has a 576 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:22,200 good fucking love it there was a very funny note of his where he was he was describing 577 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:27,480 some something and like he was going I don't remember what it was but it was another creation 578 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,400 or invention of his and he's like I implemented this thing and while he was composing that 579 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,760 note you can see in the note that he actually like came up with a new idea oh I just came 580 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,560 up with with another like cool app that will work well with the app which I just launched 581 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:52,200 so yeah it's the grass on fire he's crazy I love seeing I love waking up and just seeing 582 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,520 a whole bunch like there's these days that I don't know why but everybody decides to 583 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:02,520 you know show out and show their builds and show what they've currently been doing and 584 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:07,640 it just feels like Christmas every time where it's just a new update here a new update here 585 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,680 a new update here a new update here I'm just like holy shit being bombarded with gifts 586 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:18,320 it's like Christmas day it's amazing I love that experience I don't I don't know if anybody 587 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:23,400 else got that type of experience anywhere else but this is incredible because it's it's 588 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,760 truly the things that we all want to be implemented that are getting implemented slowly but surely 589 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:34,420 this experience is going to become like the one that we truly all want like it's crazy 590 00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:41,000 like how yeah it's everybody is able to voice their their opinions in terms of like if you 591 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,080 don't like because I remember that whole like deletion spec thing people pick their size 592 00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:51,400 pretty quickly like you're you know you're able to use a client that deletes if that's 593 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,680 how you feel about this maybe you're also able to use a client that doesn't implement 594 00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:00,560 the deletion spec if that's how you feel about this you know what I mean like if it's it's 595 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,320 really your cup of tea at the end of the day and nobody's here to impose anything on you 596 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,680 you have full authority to make whatever decision you want to make in terms of like what you're 597 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,960 experience here is so I fucking love that. 598 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:22,400 Thank you Tony you've you've you made this hour pass by very quickly I appreciate you 599 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:27,920 so much man it's been so interesting getting to know you and hearing all about you and 600 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:32,560 about your experience here it's been incredible man like I really really really appreciate 601 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:39,000 you coming over here and hanging out with us Frogs thank you so much man. 602 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,560 Any last words? 603 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:48,000 Yeah I want to thank you guys obviously like you're you're doing this very cool thing and 604 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:55,240 I hope you'll do it again and I'm looking forward to hearing the recordings because 605 00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:02,640 I obviously didn't manage to listen to all of it I wish you guys a lot of strength and 606 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:11,760 I believe you can do it and yeah thanks a lot for having me and you guys rock. 607 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,760 Thank you man. 608 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,240 Tanel open up your mouth. 609 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,080 This was an absolute pleasure like I think it's because we share a similar kind of history 610 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:26,040 so it's so I had so much to relate to which made this quite fascinating for me as well 611 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,040 so thank you so much for coming on love you buddy. 612 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,320 I didn't say it but I come from a communist country as well so I can relate to everything 613 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:38,840 you said so thank you bro appreciate you so much. 614 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,200 Thanks guys it was super awesome. 615 00:53:43,200 --> 00:54:00,040 Alright and I'm stopping the recording here.