1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,640 Happy to be here with the frogs. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,640 So happy to have you. 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,840 Welcome, welcome, welcome. This is absolutely amazing to have you on. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,840 Let's fucking go. 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Very fucking hyped. Very fucking hyped. I love the meme that you have going on on the profile picture. 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:20,560 Best meme ever. 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,560 I couldn't agree more man. Fucking love it. 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,560 Alright, so let's introduce you for the ones that don't know. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:34,560 Yeah, just take it away Berbiricha. Thank you for being here. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Alright, thank you for having me. 11 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:42,560 I'm Berbiricha. I'm a Noster developer from Spain. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,560 Discovered Noster at the end of last year. 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,560 Beginning of the year. 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,560 And yeah, got completely obsessed with it. 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Started contributing to Snork with Kiran. 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:00,560 And then yeah, I kind of started doing some other projects after that. 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,560 And yeah, happy to be here with you and answer whatever questions you have. 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,560 That's awesome. 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,560 So I just wanted to give everybody a little background on how I actually met you. 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,560 I met you because of a project that you made with Carnage. 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:30,560 The badges site. And I remember seeing it like maybe like, I remember if it was minutes or maybe an hour after you had posted about it. 22 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,560 And it was such a cool concept that just I jumped on it and it was insane. 23 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:45,560 You were willing to answer a lot of crazy questions that I had right off the bat. You were very communicative with that, which I appreciate man. 24 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:52,560 And you took a lot of feedback and made so many improvements so fast. 25 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:59,560 You also gifted me my first million Sats Zap, which was insane. I'll never forget that. 26 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:06,560 I couldn't sleep that night, but I was so fucking high on, I don't know, life. 27 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:11,560 It was insane. It was fucking amazing, man. Holy shit. 28 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,560 That was pretty cool. That's how I met you with the badges project. 29 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,560 And yeah, I mean, I was kind of, I always do this. 30 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:31,560 I'm kind of lurking always in the Nibs repository where people are kind of speccing Nostr and trying to come up with this new idea. 31 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:55,560 So I saw this badges thing and Kamay from Nostr, the author of this Nib originally, and he wanted to use this for the people that signed up for the Eden Relay to give them something that they could use to show the support for the project. 32 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Right. And I thought it was a cool idea. And yeah, but to work, Karen did some amazing designs and I found you sleepy and you were excited about it as well. 33 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,560 So, so, yeah, you got excited, started using it a lot and gave me a bunch of feedback. 34 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,560 That was great because I was able to improve the site. 35 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:27,560 And yeah, had a lot of fun. Seems that people don't use badges that much anymore. 36 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:35,560 But yeah, I think they have a lot of potential and we still need to figure out ways to use them, I guess. But yeah, badges are fun. 37 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Yeah, badges are super fun. Marty actually from Iris is considering also doing what Kamayri did for Eden, which is, you know, gifting a badge to the user, right? 38 00:03:51,560 --> 00:04:08,560 And I'm also doing that and I believe other client, like other client, I don't know what you call them, developers are also planning on doing the same thing for whoever upgrades, you know, to like the premium for that client. 39 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:21,560 So it definitely has a use case is just to be explored. And definitely, I remember my first badge. I didn't even, I couldn't even like, I just wanted to use it. So I didn't even use the right use case for it. 40 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:28,560 I just gifted it to like all my friends. I was like, you know what, I'm going to show you that you're my friend because you're going to have a friend badge. 41 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:36,560 So whoever wants to be a friend here, let me know and I'll send you a friend badge. And that was the first badge ever made. It was pretty funny. 42 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:51,560 But it got everybody talking about it and asking about it. And yeah, a lot of people made their own and people were even able to make badges saying that they didn't like badges, which is pretty ironic and funny. 43 00:04:51,560 --> 00:05:00,560 I love them all. I have so many. I have a good collection. The memes that came out of it were amazing. 44 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:14,560 I love the whole experience to be honest. It was a, it feels like a decade. But it was, it was just like the other day. And yeah, I feel, I feel like there's still really good use cases for it. It's just yet to be explored. 45 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Definitely. Yeah. And in a certain time, you know, it goes different. It goes differently than in other places, I guess. And I think that I liked from this project is that somebody contributed a badge to badges.page so you can now follow everyone that has a badge, for instance. 46 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:48,560 So yeah, that is also a nice, nice way to, I don't know, endorse a group of people, right, from, from your account, and somebody else can go and say, okay, these are sleepy friends, these people must be must be cool. 47 00:05:48,560 --> 00:06:02,560 So I'm gonna go follow them all, you know, so yeah, it's another way of creation as well. And, and yeah, I really like the open source projects or projects like snort, projects like Astraea. 48 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:13,560 I also saw that they are issuing badges and giving them to the subscribers or contributors to the open source project. And yeah, love that. 49 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:34,560 And also seen some, some other use cases, for instance, there is Thunder Games, which is a Bitcoin gaming company, and you can put your Nostrpub key in their games, and the trophies you get in the games, the achievements you get, you get them as Nostr badges as well. 50 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:41,560 So you can flex your, your in game achievements everywhere on Nostr, which I think is pretty cool. 51 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:51,560 That is super cool, man. I really, I really wish somebody would have made a badge for, for the participants that actually went and flew out to, to Nostrrica. 52 00:06:51,560 --> 00:07:00,560 There's one. There's one. Okay, so if there, if everybody received the one that actually went, then I'll be able to easily follow everyone that actually went. 53 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Yep, Bitcoin Django did one. Bitcoin Django. Yeah, okay, perfect, perfect. So I'm going to go check that one out and follow everyone that actually went to that event. 54 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:26,560 That's pretty cool. I could see this happening for all of the Nostr meetups and all the Nostr events, and then you could easily follow everyone on Nostr if they have that badge, and they were at that event. That's amazing. 55 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,560 That's pretty cool. That's fucking amazing. 56 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Yeah. So you have some news about Abla, and we're all very excited about Abla. It's, it's amazing, man. What you've done with Abla is incredible, incredible. I love long form content. 57 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:52,560 And this is where you get it on Nostr. So let's just, you know, if you want to tell the people a little bit about it. 58 00:07:52,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Yeah. All right. So, so for Abla, so there was a lot of demand on Nostr for, for a structured post, so post where you could like give some format, also for editing, right, because we all know that nodes are just short pieces of text, and they are not really editable, right. 59 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:46,560 So, to support the use case of blogging on Nostr, or having more long form content, Fiat Jaff proposed a NIP, NIP 23, where this kind of nodes can contain markdown, which is just a way to write the structured text, so can be rendered as a HTML and these other formats 60 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:55,560 that, so you can add headings, you can add tables, I don't know, block quotes, all these kind of things. 61 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:21,560 So yeah, there was this proposal by Fiat Jaff and, and there was an open bounty for it as well. And I saw the potential, I think it has, I mean, blogging on Nostr, I think it's really, it's a great use case of Nostr because your content gets spread to a lot of places, the data is really portable and now I can stop you and it's super easy to monetize. 62 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:40,560 So, okay, let's make, let's make something to, to make this long form content easy to write and consume, and then I went ahead and did Abla, and currently I'm working on a lot of improvements that I will release later this weekend. 63 00:09:40,560 --> 00:10:03,560 So, essentially Abla news allows you to browse this kind of content on Nostr and also publish it yourself, and, and then you have the option to browse the content by relay, and there is also allows you to select which relays you want to publish, and you have drafts, you can, 64 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:17,560 in this long form articles you can do what you can do all you can do regular notes like tag people mentioned notes mentioned like other Nostr content. 65 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:42,560 And that is pretty pretty powerful. At the moment, I support linking to lists, linking to badges, linking to relays linking to packets. So, so, imagine as Nostr, like gets more and more event types, and more and more kinds of content are added to, to Nostr. 66 00:10:42,560 --> 00:11:03,560 So, everything is linkable, and everything is addressable and everything is composable into a long form post so I think there is insane potential for, for, for blogging over Nostr, because now we have files, we have lists, we have badges, we have notes, so we have all kinds of content, 67 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:28,560 and everything can be put together inside a long form note. And, and yeah, I hope to continue developing it, and I'm planning to record like a bunch of screencasts to show people like how to use it and, and the potential because I think it's pretty cool what you can do with, with Abla, or with NIP23. 68 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:36,560 I'm curious if, if by any chance you could do sort of like a like a sub stack type of model with a like a subscription type of. 69 00:11:36,560 --> 00:12:00,560 Yeah, in fact, I am planning that something like that for, for Abla, because, so, for the new version I'm working on, I'm trying to use to make use a lot of lists, so I want to give you like a bookmarks, like a list that you can use for reading stuff later, things like that. 70 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:11,560 So imagine like something like pocket where you can save your articles you want to save for later, or a list for bookmarks, and so on. 71 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:31,560 So I went to experiment with that idea of using lists for, for, for creating lists of people to follow, creating a list of bookmarks and, and yeah, grouping, grouping the stuff into, into these lists. 72 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,560 That's amazing. Yeah, I literally just started 73 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:43,560 dabbling with lists not so long ago. Thanks to Derek, Derek showing me Coral. 74 00:12:43,560 --> 00:13:00,560 Yeah, I still have a question. I actually have a question for the Coral Dev because we can't seem to find where our lists are stored, we can see that we can make, you know we can put things into lists, but we have been able to find where the actual list tab is. 75 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:10,560 The Lister, Lister.lol, I believe is the domain. Lister, let me see, Lister what? Lister.lol. 76 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:16,560 I think Jeff G actually posted about it, like I think it was like yesterday or something. Yeah, it's from Jeff. 77 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:21,560 So there you can check all your lists. 78 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:31,560 Oh wow. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. All right. So there's a micro app for this. Yes, there is a micro app for almost everything. 79 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,560 It's crazy. Yeah. 80 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:44,560 That's amazing. Okay, yeah, Chef G, Chef G my bad. All right. This is awesome. Yeah, thank you so much, man. I did not know that this existed. 81 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:51,560 All right. It's pretty new, but yeah, hopefully more people discover it and start using it. 82 00:13:51,560 --> 00:14:07,560 And I'm hoping for like, if clients allow you to just browse feed by lists, I think this will be a great feature, but because yeah, this is more, 83 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:22,560 I think this is how I would like to use Noster, right? So make my list of people. I have some people that are the memers, other people that are, I don't know, the developers, other people that I follow because they post cool pictures or whatever. 84 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:39,560 I want to be able to switch between these feeds, this list, right? Or perhaps even have different tabs in my client and I can use each of these tabs for one list, but I don't know. 85 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:59,560 I think it's a reference and I think it's something worth exploring. Instead of just your huge contact list and a huge feed of a bunch of different types of content, just more smaller feeds with user defined lists. 86 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:06,560 I completely agree. It's like a well curated algorithm for yourself. It's a personalized algorithm. 87 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:18,560 Yeah, exactly. And so there's a public part and a private part. So you can have some of these lists be public and you can also have them be private, right? 88 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:39,560 So yeah, you have the public part for signaling what content you like, what content do you follow, and then if you want to make some private lists as well and have some, I mean, be discreet and be private with what you follow, you can do that as well, 89 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:58,560 which you can't really do with the current contact list, right? Your current contact list, your follows is public, but you could make a private list where, I don't know, you add some people that you want to follow and nobody really needs to know that you're following them. 90 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:15,560 That's so cool. The public list idea kind of reminds me of MySpace stage when you had your top 10 on your profile. That's kind of what it reminds me of right now. I fucking love it. It goes full circle. 91 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:25,560 So yeah, that's amazing. That's amazing. Daniel, do you have any questions pertaining to this? 92 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:30,560 Not actually right now. I'm actually helping somebody help with their tech issues. 93 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,560 It's all good. Don't worry. 94 00:16:34,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Also, one thing I wanted to mention that really shows the strength of NOSTER, right? It's a really simple protocol and everybody can innovate. So the other day, Pablo released this website called Highlighter that basically allows you to annotate every website on the internet and allows you to create a text highlight, right? 95 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:16,560 So you are reading an article and say, okay, I really like this statement, this quote here. I'm going to share it. So he made a web app for doing just that. 96 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:29,560 And well, you can highlight web content, right, but you can also highlight long form content. So yeah, I saw that and I said, okay, people were demanding this. 97 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:41,560 This is genius. I'm going to just check which kind this is and add it to Abla because this is great for my site. And I was able to do that in under an hour. 98 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:50,560 So yeah, this is NOSTER where everybody can come invent some crazy like new kind that does something useful. 99 00:17:50,560 --> 00:18:08,560 And yeah, I can take that and implement it on my blogging site. And now like the new version of Abla I'm doing is based heavily around highlights because I think they are a really great way to contextualize discussion, right? 100 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:22,560 So instead of commenting on a post, I'm commenting on a specific quote or on a specific thought of a post. And then conversation can be sparked around that, right? 101 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:35,560 And yeah, this multiple conversations can happen at the same time, right? Because perhaps I highlight something and I share it with my audience and you highlight the same thing or something else and share it as well. 102 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:45,560 And yeah, I think it's a really interesting concept and I'm exploring it a lot on the upcoming Abla redesign. 103 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:57,560 I honestly love it. I've been using it a ton. I can't wait to further develop the extension because I find it so useful to actually use the extension. 104 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:08,560 I believe I was the first one that tried to actually highlight something from Twitter and Twitter had to sign a NOSTER event, which was hilarious. 105 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:26,560 But something went wrong there and he's figuring it out. But soon we'll be able to do that. We'll be able to bring the content from over there over here and make it actually valuable for whoever was the author on the Sucky Bird app from over there. 106 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:34,560 So yeah, I'm very interested in as well. Now that he's working on this full time, it's going to be incredible. 107 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. 108 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Yeah, very excited on that. And you have a ton of cool things coming with Abla. And I've been seeing more and more people use it, especially Walker. Walker has been using it a ton. 109 00:19:51,560 --> 00:20:04,560 And now we have people coming from Medium. So the other day somebody that has like 60k followers on Medium started plugging on NOSTER. 110 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:28,560 And yeah, it's pretty active. It's plugging like every couple days. He puts out a new article. So now I'm racing against the clock and trying to get this nicer UI and also trying to make an onboarding experience for Abla. 111 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:41,560 I want to, I mean, I want to be able to come to Abla and more or less understand what is the value proposition of NOSTER, what this is about. 112 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:54,560 And even like create an account and start like publishing content. Even when they don't have NOSTER accounts, because at the moment UX is really, really bad, I know. 113 00:20:54,560 --> 00:21:14,560 And it's really, it's a bit restrictive because it requires an extension and so on. So, so I've been talking a lot with the, I call it the Abla team because I have some people that are helping me to make this, I mean, for the UX, the design and so on. 114 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:26,560 I have some people helping me. And yeah, the thing that they, they complain more about is onboarding, onboarding. We need like a simple onboarding. 115 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:42,560 This can be useful for everyone outside of NOSTER and it's really cool. So, so let's make it, so everybody can can join, understand what is NOSTER and what the game by publishing on NOSTER. 116 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:59,560 And yeah, looking forward to add a nice onboarding experience. I'm a big fan of NOSTER. I don't know if you know this website called NOSTER has a really nice onboarding for creating your NOSTER account and profile and starting to follow some accounts. 117 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:09,560 So I would like to do something similar in Abla, but more for writers, more targeted for writers. 118 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:14,560 I'm actually not familiar with the complete URL for that one. 119 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:22,560 I think it's NOSTER.cc. No, no, it's not. 120 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,560 Wait a second. 121 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,560 It's 122 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,560 NOSTER.me. Sorry. 123 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:40,560 Yeah. Awesome. This looks great. Yep. It's pretty good. 124 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:49,560 Yeah, I'm always like shooting projects that I like because then this one, I don't see it mentioned very often, but I think it's pretty, pretty good. 125 00:22:49,560 --> 00:23:06,560 And probably at the beginning I would probably just in Abla just link to this website and add something, you know, add some copy that tells people, directs people to other resources, but eventually I would like to have something like this in Abla. 126 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:23,560 And perhaps even like, I don't know, perhaps gamify it a bit, right? So like take you through the steps of creating your profile and perhaps publishing your first long form note. 127 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:35,560 And yeah, for people that complete this process, perhaps you can even give them a patch or something that, you know, that shows that they completed the process. 128 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Oh yeah, that'd be great if you finish. Yeah. If you finish your profile and then you have a badge for completing it. I'm actually checking out Karnage's profile on here. 129 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:53,560 And the badge that he has, like how it displays it is freaking amazing. It's so clean. 130 00:23:53,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Yeah, I advise anybody to use this and I'm going to actually put it on my list of guides for onboarding because it's really simple. Super straightforward. 131 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,560 It's very good. 132 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560 This is amazing. 133 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:25,560 All right. Yeah, did you have by any chance, did you have anything else you wanted to mention about any upcoming news or updates to any of the products that you're currently working on? 134 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:39,560 Yeah, I mean for Abla, yeah, perhaps I can talk a bit more. So I would like to implement something like Substack with lists, as I mentioned before. 135 00:24:39,560 --> 00:25:02,560 I was planning to do this, I don't know, using Nostr, only Nostr, like, I don't want to use email or anything like that but yeah perhaps Abla can give you some sort of a notification service whenever people from writers you follow or are in certain lists published, 136 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:14,560 you can give you a DM or something like that. And for Abla, I mean, I want to develop it further, make it usable for a wide audience. 137 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:36,560 Also, I mean, make it so it's like a pleasant reading experience for reading and writing both, because at the moment it's kind of a, it's a bit of a Frankenstein because I put together this quickly right now with no, with no design, no UX, just putting things together. 138 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:50,560 So yeah, I want to make, I want to make it something that similar to medium, Substack, so for readers, writers, but that doesn't, that doesn't suck. 139 00:25:50,560 --> 00:26:18,560 And, and yeah, and it will always be an open source project, and they have some ideas to give some extra features and monetize it like a snort is doing at the moment. But yeah, I don't have anything concrete to share, I just want to make a good platform for writing and reading over Nostr and be as Nostr friendly as possible and we will see, fuck around and find out. 140 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,560 Let's fucking go, let's fucking go. I'm excited. I'm fucking excited. 141 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Oh man. All right, so I actually wanted to ask you about your journey here. 142 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,560 So how did you find Nostr and what's your favorite thing about Nostr. 143 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:54,560 So for Nostr, I was aware of Nostr for most of last year I guess because I saw it mentioned on Twitter a lot. It was following a Will and Fiat, and so yeah, there were a bunch of devs experimenting with it and whatnot and it looked interesting. 144 00:26:54,560 --> 00:27:15,560 And from time to time, I will check out like, yeah, some, some clients I think the first one I use was called the brand but yeah this was very early and there weren't, there weren't many people on Nostr and clients were in there were not very developed yet. 145 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:44,560 So, by the end of last year, I was more, you know, more and more interested in it and yeah, I was experimenting more so I created some throw away accounts and was testing some clients and whatnot, but didn't find, so this was December, early, late December last year. 146 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,560 I didn't really find like a client that was working well. 147 00:27:49,560 --> 00:28:04,560 I mean, it was super early I if I recall correctly, there was Enigma was one, there was Astral, and not many more that I knew of. 148 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:19,560 So, so yeah, I thought it was a bit early that there was no, no good client for me to use web client, because I like the web, and I wanted to use something web based. 149 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:38,560 And I was talking with Kieran, I was working with Kieran at the time, and he started to share stuff about Nostr, and I asked him, hey man, this Nostr thing I'm into it, I really want to check it out but all clients suck man. 150 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,560 I cannot use this. 151 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:47,560 He told me, well, I use this, he sent me a link to Snorp. 152 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:58,560 And it was a really, really early development, but it was really fast and I was working better than than whatever else I tried. 153 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:20,560 I got hooked, but, and yeah, I was taking a look at the project and I looked like shit so I do a lot of development so I thought, yeah, okay, I can make this look good so, and I started contributing to it and, and I got obsessed with Nostr from, yeah, from January. 154 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:29,560 What I like about it is that protocol is super simple. It's literally just one. 155 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:35,560 There's just events, but every event has a different kind, and. 156 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:53,560 I think it's, it's pretty, pretty straightforward the protocol and it's very empowering for for depth, and you can, you can build the. I mean, everything you see on the web now everything we use. 157 00:29:53,560 --> 00:30:11,560 I think you can build on Nostr, and if you build it on Nostr. This data is, is free, and it's interoperable, and, and yeah I mean the implications of that. I don't I don't think I fully grasp them yet but I can see where we are going and, or, or, or I can 158 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:24,560 see some of what, where we are going and I'm pretty excited so so I'm going to build on it and I'm going to make some some apps so yeah. 159 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,560 That's incredible man. 160 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:36,560 You kind of answered my next question with that a little bit because my next question for you was what made you decide to stay on Nostr. 161 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:48,560 I was quite addicted to Twitter already, I guess most of us here were right. So yeah I really like this kind of social text based social network. 162 00:30:48,560 --> 00:31:05,560 And I mean since discovering Nostr, I just didn't open my, my Twitter account again, since I started contributing to a store. Six, I think this was the sixth of January this year, I never went back to Twitter. 163 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,560 After many many years of using it. 164 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,560 I'm on Nostr, Nostr only now. 165 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,560 That's incredible man. Let's fucking go. That's what we like to see. 166 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:25,560 How's your, kind of want to ask you about your Bitcoin journey to be honest, if you want to share a little bit about that. 167 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:26,560 Yeah. 168 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:33,560 So Bitcoin, so I heard about Bitcoin, sometime ago, because I studied computer science. 169 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:50,560 Yeah, I'm, I'm a bit old. And some some people from, from my class were were mining at the time and so on but it was there for me, I didn't like, give it much thought at the time. 170 00:31:50,560 --> 00:32:19,560 So I got some, some Bitcoin, and then sold it sometime later but yeah, didn't look at it seriously. But yeah, some, I was working remotely, and at some point I got a gig with a company from from the US, and I started to, to, yeah, to feel the pain of international money transfers and having my money for for a few days. 171 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:32,560 I was in the ether where I didn't really know what was going on with that money and yeah after some time, I started using it for for getting my salary from from the US. 172 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:53,560 And it was quite practical, because, yeah, then, I mean, got my money right away and for me was was convenient as well. I mean, I don't care if I get like a foreign currency but Bitcoin for me it's like, it's like a global currency right it's like you can convert it to whatever 173 00:32:53,560 --> 00:33:07,560 you want, and at any, at any point in time, there is always some somebody that that can be at the other side of the trade, you can sell this or buy this whenever so. 174 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:26,560 So yeah, I started using it just for forgetting my paycheck more more efficiently. And, and, and then I started looking at it a bit more more in depth I guess, and discover the lighting network and all the developments that were going on. 175 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:46,560 And I can say okay, this is a bit more. This is a bigger than than what I thought and more useful than what I thought. And I started seeing like how the lighting network could could open a lot of more use cases for for Bitcoin right not not just this. 176 00:33:46,560 --> 00:34:06,560 It's slow like from once in a while, money transfers, it's just with lighting you can take stakes Bitcoin and makes it super super fast and super cheap to move so when I saw that the got got kind of hooked and started the selling Bitcoin, like a madman. 177 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:17,560 And, yeah, you got a job in the industry likely so so yeah, I'm really into Bitcoin and lighting, since then. 178 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,560 That is sweet. That is, that is sweet. Yeah, Bitcoin, lightning definitely. 179 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:31,560 Because yeah I also knew about Bitcoin but like lightning really changed it all for me. It's, it's amazing. I'm really happy that. 180 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,560 There's some great people working on it right now. 181 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:43,560 I'm really appreciative of that. Best thing about learning is that we're using it every day, and 100% just normal and it works. 182 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,560 For me it works. 183 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,560 100% of the time it's pretty crazy. 184 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:55,560 Yeah, yeah there's. I've literally had not had any of the problems that I've had everywhere else with lightning. 185 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,560 That's amazing. It's amazing. 186 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:07,560 I definitely want to dive in more into learning about lightning, because there's a ton that I just don't know about lightning so yeah. 187 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:20,560 It's a huge rabbit hole. I mean, I think Bitcoin, lightning, and master is full of super interesting topics that we can dive into and get lost in learning more and more. 188 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,560 Oh yeah, absolutely. 189 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:33,560 We have, so we have some people that actually, let me see if they have any questions. 190 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,560 I was just checking the Nostra chat real quick. 191 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:44,560 There. Let me see. They just wanted to know more about our, our blog.news and badges.page. 192 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:50,560 Alright, so any specific like any specific questions or just in general about the book. 193 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:57,560 I didn't read any specific ones, but I guess we could, once we do open up the floor. Oh, Tano, do you have one? Go ahead. 194 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Yeah, I would love to bounce back to the badges themselves. 195 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:17,560 I'm actually curious, when you first initially thought about creating those badges, like did you have like a certain use case in mind or, or was it just to really fuck around and find out and see how, what kind of use case they will find? 196 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:32,560 I've seen them being given as, as a certified like, oh, you're my friend or you, you took part of this event or whatever or, but how do you see the use case for it? 197 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:59,560 So when, when I started working on it, I, what I could foresee was, well, the, the community adherence part, like the Eden badge, these kind of badges that allow you to signal support to a project that, that was kind of obvious before like releasing it, 198 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:05,560 that, that was going to happen because that was one of the motivations as well for, for the NIP. 199 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:25,560 And yeah, then I, I kind of also thought about like the, the trophies, like the achievements part, because I really like gaming and, and gaming you usually have like your, your trophies are all around, right? 200 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:35,560 You have your, I don't know, your console with your trophies there, you have your Steam account and you have another complete different account and with a different set of trophies. 201 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:48,560 So, so like using Nostra as identity and badges as like an achievement system for, for games, like also like was something that, that, that I had in mind that was possible. 202 00:37:48,560 --> 00:38:05,560 I was pretty cool to see it done, but yeah, I don't know what else could be useful, but it is a verifiable endorsement from, from someone. 203 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:22,560 So, so you can use it for, for a bunch of different people. So for curation, for access, for access control for certain content, for instance, I don't know, perhaps we could make a client that, that only allows you to see certain content. 204 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:41,560 If you have a badge, for instance, you could do something like a Patreon, I guess, or something like that on Nostra using this technology to see who, who has which, which tier you will use badges for instance to, to represent this. 205 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:59,560 So, so I think there are some use cases are obvious and have been explored from the, from the beginning, but I think there are still some, some stuff that, that we still have to see, but I'm not sure if somebody will do it. 206 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:21,560 This is Nostra, somebody has to, has to step up and do it. So I'm not sure. I want to use them for, for Abla. I want to use badges because I would like to give like NIP-05 IDs for Abla users because people complain that the, like the URLs are super long or whatever. 207 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:39,560 So, so one solution for that I thought is to give NIP-05 to whoever wants it in Abla so you can have Abla.News slash Sleepy, for instance, and that will be your profile, and you will have your articles with nice URLs. 208 00:39:39,560 --> 00:40:05,560 And I was thinking, perhaps for people that are like more hardcore supporters of the project, I can, in this step where, where I give you the NIP-05, I can, I can ask for a contribution or a donation to the project and if you, if you contribute with a donation perhaps I can give you a badge and, 209 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:26,560 and so, so your profile with a special like flare because you are a supporter of the open source project. So that's one idea I had in mind to combine badges and Abla, but yeah, I still have to have to implement it, but that's what I have in mind. 210 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:38,560 Yeah, that would be absolutely amazing, especially I've seen on Damos myself those links can get incredibly long, especially if you have like a couple of, a couple of them in a row in your feed. 211 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:58,560 But it's been absolutely amazing, especially like when I first saw the initial site, I was already really incredibly surprised on how user friendly it was to, to accept them and also to create them really so it's been absolutely amazing to see that all take place. 212 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:24,560 Awesome. Yeah, I mean, also like for badges, the create goes to Karanaj because he, he, he created some, some really good designs for this so I originally did, did this without designs and he stepped up and made some, some really fire designs, not only for the site, but also for, for badges because 213 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:40,560 like the badges that I created originally like the, the artwork is from, from Karanaj so the cool cat badge, the badge I gave to Sleepy, 214 00:41:40,560 --> 00:42:04,560 the one I made for, you know, the beautiful badge, badge maker, I don't remember which one was but yeah, those, those artworks are by Karanaj and then, then I joined them and I'm probably still as my own, but with permission. 215 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:18,560 Oh, I love that. And you guys actually I remember, I think you released, you ended up releasing, I don't know if it was you or if it was Karanaj that released the Figma at a certain point in time. 216 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:31,560 Yeah, all is public, everything is public. The, the Figma for badges is out there, I don't remember the URL but it's public. The Figma for Snr is also public. 217 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:54,560 And I have a Figma for, for Abla, and I want to make that public too. And also like, I'm meeting with some people that are helping me work in Abla every two weeks, and probably will make that a nest or something and open it up, because I mean, if anybody wants to join. 218 00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:15,560 Yeah, ask questions or listen or whatever, but we do this every two weeks, and we have a plan, we have, I mean, I want to publish this because the Figma really lays out what we want to do with the project so so yeah looking forward to open source that as well. 219 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:31,560 That's amazing because I actually I ended up getting a really good piece of information from the Figma that I wanted in terms of like how to create these badges and that's how I got so good at making like a certain ones like the, you're the king of badges. 220 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:46,560 Thanks to this little trick that I found, because carnage actually. When you when you save those images right like badge images on Figma, it saves, he said he didn't really change the name or anything like that or the metadata of the original image. 221 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,560 So the whole prompt that he used to actually get that image was there. 222 00:43:50,560 --> 00:44:06,560 So that gave me the best framework to go ahead and copy and paste that and then just change a couple details to get exactly what I wanted. And that looked official like a badge, and then I thought, I think he, I think he removed the background, and that's exactly what he had done. 223 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:17,560 So I removed the background to the ones that I was making. And I got a super close output to what he was doing so that was amazing I really appreciate the open source. 224 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:29,560 Yeah, it's, it's incredible, like I wouldn't have been able to do that, unless you guys had open source it. Yeah, open source and an AI tools, I'm super bullish on that and I use those I use it heavily. 225 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:56,560 I mean I, I will never come up with like an illustration or, or, or like a copy that I use for King of badges by myself, I use the, I mean, carnage use mid journey, I think, for creating them. And then I use chat GPT for for for writing the descriptions because, yeah, I mean, my English is quite worked. 226 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:08,560 Oh my god that's an amazing combo I've used it I used it recently like maybe like a week or two ago. And I was like, I damn I cannot phantom like how the hell am I going to put this together into a prompt. 227 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:21,560 And this is going to understand it and get exactly what I want out of it because I kept on trying and trying and trying. I was like, you know what I'm just going to talk to another AI and have that AI figure out how to speak to this other AI, and it knew exactly what to say to get the desired 228 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:34,560 result. That's amazing. It's fucking incredible. You can do that. I can imagine that it's going to happen even crazier the future once we have actual agents that are like just specific to those tasks. 229 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,560 So that's going to be crazy. 230 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,560 What is getting weird. 231 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:56,560 That's the weirdness too weird. I fucking love it man. So it's getting around that time where we could actually open it up to live q amp a. If anybody in the audience has any questions, we could bring you up right now to the stage so you could ask your question. 232 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,560 Yeah, don't be shy. 233 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,560 Raise your hand and we'll bring you up. 234 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:11,560 Okay, in the meantime, perhaps I can talk about something a bit excited about so yeah. 235 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:20,560 So yeah, if you are following Pablo, do you may realize that he's working on some note taking up. 236 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:41,560 I realized this recently that with the introduction of this silent mentions, where you can mention anything Nostar without tagging it. So just in the text of the message and encrypted content, we can have like all this long form content, all this list. 237 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:50,560 Everything can be private, and you can have like a private knowledge base or private wiki or something like that. 238 00:46:50,560 --> 00:47:12,560 A linking notes linking content from Nostar that you only can read. So, so I'm really excited about what comes out of this this project because, yeah, I think there is a lot of tools in Nostar that that we have that they still don't, we don't, we still don't have 239 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:18,560 fully explored. So yeah, I'm excited about 240 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:30,560 this. So, what's up, brother. How you doing. That's up there. I have a question for you. So a while ago, you told me, hope I'm not spilling any beans here but if so they're getting ready to fall. 241 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:40,560 You told me that you were going to be working on a complete UI overhaul on on badges page. Yes. 242 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:55,560 I'm curious. You know if you're still working on it if you have some type of rough ETA if you, and if you could, you know, talk about maybe some of the changes or enhancements that you were planning on doing. 243 00:47:55,560 --> 00:48:10,560 All right, so I have more praise that I have time. This is one problem so so yeah I mean I will definitely love to continue like adding stuff and improving it but time is super limited. 244 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:28,560 I have a full time job, and, and then Nostar is like this thing I do before going to sleep so I will love to continue developing Abla and I carnage some has some, some designs. 245 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:49,560 So it's really clean the science that are, I think, are better than what we currently have, and we wanted to explore, especially like the, the proof of work, because these budgets can have proof of work right so we were kind of playing with idea of using 246 00:48:49,560 --> 00:49:02,560 proof of work in badges to for rarity. Right, so we will have depending on the amount of proof of work this budget have will have different varieties. 247 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,560 And we were exploring that idea. 248 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:20,560 I don't know if I will be able to implement it honestly because I mean, after like working on a bunch of different projects. At the end of the day, I want to, to. 249 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:37,560 I want to finish something, and I want to like, create like a complete product or something right and I'm looking at my projects I think our news is the most exciting for me and also the most important for Nostar, in my opinion, this is all 250 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:54,560 happening. So I'm going to be focusing on that, that one. So I will maintain, but just a page I mean, if I see like pull request or whatever I will take a look and I will definitely like be on top of that but I don't know if I will be able to continue the 251 00:49:54,560 --> 00:50:13,560 development of pages and do the redesign, and so on, but the direction was for like a more dark and more clean UI and then using the proof of work for rarity, and also allowing you to kind of have not only your list of pages but also like one batch 252 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:25,560 that you bookmark that you say okay this is, this is the one that I'm most proud of so those were the differences, the main differences with what we have now, but just a page. 253 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:40,560 Very cool sir yeah you know it kind of makes sense because that. 254 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,560 I actually don't know what just happened to know how come there's. 255 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,560 Anything so I'm surprised. 256 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,560 There's a lot of people up here with the. 257 00:50:51,560 --> 00:51:01,560 But anyways, where did very go. Yeah, literally I was on my phone and I look up and this whole thing is different. 258 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,560 Yes, I'm here. 259 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,560 Yeah, and why did impact. 260 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,560 Good, good. 261 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:15,560 Interesting, did you do that I'm just curious did you do the same thing that you did earlier like joined from your phone. 262 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,560 No, I want to copy the link. 263 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:37,560 Anyways, what, like the room reset is what happened to what like an earlier state and you'd said you joined earlier. Anyways, we talked about that afterwards so what was the saying oh so it makes sense like badges kind of exploded in the beginning 264 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:49,560 everybody thought they were fun it was a new shiny we were all like cats and, you know, and we like the new shinies. But yeah, they've definitely died down but but how about news on the other hand like how 265 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:55,560 was still growing right so it makes sense to focus energy. 266 00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:09,560 Yeah, there. Yeah, if I mean, if we start like bringing all the content that is on the web, if we start to repost it in Nostra with things like highlighter and things like that. 267 00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:28,560 I mean, I'm, I'm pretty excited about what we can, what we can do, what you can build on top of it, because, yeah, this, I mean, this highlights and I like the value split and also like the contextual discussion. 268 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:45,560 So, for me like this super super exciting, and I can't wait to explore it more and kind of way to to to release what I'm working on, because I think you're going to like it, and also people are starting to come to Nostra and people are starting 269 00:52:45,560 --> 00:53:03,560 to discover like a lot of news, block stack and highlighter and all these things. And yeah, when when we build more apps that allow you to combine to create long form content and also to like to combine to make these notes and and link everything, 270 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:21,560 and people are I think are going to start to see the value of, of making all the content. Yeah, like addressable, so to speak, and I'm making all the content and events right in Nostra. 271 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:34,560 So I did recently did like, so there is this name, Nip94 for files so files are now a Nostra event. So, I mean, I'm waiting. 272 00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:48,560 We've had a lot of discussion a lot of like a lot of fighting and a lot of drama the past week because of Nip94 and Nip95 and file hosting on relays. 273 00:53:48,560 --> 00:54:03,560 Yeah, it's a bit, yeah, I mean, file hosting on relays I'm not sure that's the way to go, but the the 94 part, like publishing a file metadata and torrent filebacks. 274 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:24,560 I mean, I understand why some clients were were kind of complaining about it but the thing is interesting, I mean not not perhaps not for social clients, but other types of apps or other types of clients can be built on top of this, this new 275 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:43,560 event type, I think, and, and it's pretty cool that like this, these files have like their, their file type, a bunch of metadata. So you can add them up right now you can already like make a query for for this kind of event type, I say okay, give me only the images 276 00:54:43,560 --> 00:55:01,560 or give me only the videos or only the 3D models, and things like that so yeah, for me it's exciting, and was hoping to see some, some specialized clients emerge like for audio or I don't know short video or things like that. 277 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:14,560 It's definitely doable. Yeah, like we could see that now right now that we can host data on a relay we could have specialized clients with specialized relays I mean it's a centralized service. 278 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:32,560 We will absolutely see that now, now we can have an audio streaming service or a, an Instagram that has, you know, several relay partners maybe so it is a little bit decentralized, you know, yeah we'll absolutely see that in the future I believe now that we can we can do it. 279 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,560 I just don't think that everybody should be doing it. 280 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:49,560 Yeah, definitely. I am looking forward to some other panelists like relay operators because I'm curious where they see like the relay, relays going. 281 00:55:49,560 --> 00:56:03,560 Are relays going to specialize are relays going to specialize in certain services like I don't know search or or implementing certain NIPs. I'm not sure where this is going. 282 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:11,560 So yeah, curious about, about, about that too. 283 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:31,560 By the way, I don't want to run a relay as part of like Abla, because, yeah, I want to make a, an oyster client that is like a relay friendly and, and don't want to host any any of the content and I mean I 284 00:56:31,560 --> 00:57:00,560 also to avoid centralization so to speak so so make it really evident that the content is hosted on on Noster is not hosted on on Abla or we don't have any any servers or any relay or whatever we are just a client for for reading and writing this this type of content. 285 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:10,560 Well, that that was really really amazing man I, I can't thank you enough for for hanging out with us for this whole hour. 286 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:18,560 You bro Oh my god and it was so good to speak to you, because of like our whole interaction how we met and everything. 287 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:29,560 It was crazy it was crazy so it was, was very awesome man I really I mean, I kind of, I don't know, I saw you and I say okay. 288 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:39,560 This is my man, this is gonna love, but yes, my master person and Noster and I was was pretty cool to know you. 289 00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:46,560 Yeah, it was so sick man I really really really appreciate our whole like, it's amazing like I. 290 00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:55,560 Nothing like this is ever going to happen again and like there's no social media where that happens. Like that's incredible like I fucking love the whole. 291 00:57:55,560 --> 00:58:02,560 I have no words man. Thank you so much. That's all I can say to you. I appreciate the fuck out of you. You're incredible. You're amazing. 292 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,560 Thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. I'm for doing this. It's pretty cool. 293 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:17,560 Thank you man. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. It's been absolutely amazing hearing all the insight about badges and all the news and especially with the links. I'm so so excited. 294 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:24,560 Been waiting for that for such a long time. Oh yeah. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. No, you were you and Pablo I could already see you guys. 295 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:32,560 You guys are fucking killing it man. Like it's thank you. Thank you all of Noster. Thank you. 296 00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:50,560 I do this for you and to have fun and I make this place more fun and better having a blast doing this. So yeah, thank you for for for being here and for having me and for for using Noster. You rock. 297 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,560 Thank you man.