What is up bros?
I'm Caleb and Rose is unfortunately out of commission again this week so I am joined
by the one and only Riley from the Plunge Podcast.
You want to say hi Riley?
Hey what's up?
I'm excited to be here.
Special movie today.
I'm pumped.
We just watched it.
We, you and me both came right from the couch straight to the computer.
We're ready to roll.
Oh I am so pumped for this breakdown.
You have no idea.
But yeah anyway we are a couple of, or me and Rose are a couple of bros on a mission
to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the podcast in 4k spotlight we only have one new release of mention and that
is Dungeons and Dragons Honor Among Thieves.
After that we will be getting straight into our headliner which will be our breakdown
of holes from 2003.
So I am very pumped.
2003 hit smash.
There were murders in this movie by the way.
This is a Disney Channel film.
That was my takeaway.
I was like what is happening?
Was this one like straight to movie?
I think it had a theatrical release because I don't think it was like a Disney Channel
original one.
But it having a straight up murder.
I was not expecting.
She walked up and blew the guys head off.
I was like whoa.
No joke.
So yeah.
But without further ado let's get into this.
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I love playing this for people that know Ben.
Why is it so deep?
Dude I have no idea.
That's not his voice.
I thought maybe it was someone covering it.
I was like no that is Ben but he like took his voice down like to point eight.
And I went through and was asking people which I've been harassing the inner circle to send
me their promos for ever and a half.
Ben sent me one but it was like a really weird format and so I had to convert it to mp3 and
for whatever reason when I throw it into my normal editor where I add all the music and
stuff it sounds normal.
But when you play it?
But when I play it through this damn soundboard it sounds like that.
That's incredible.
It sounds silky smooth dude.
So I have tried everything in my power to friggin make it sound normal and like I've
uploaded it on Audacity too and it sounds normal and then I save it upload it onto the
soundboard and it still sounds like that.
So I'm like whatever I'll just roll with it.
I'd say send it to me but yours is your soundboard that has the magic touch.
I don't think it would work.
Yeah I guess.
It's like some random online one.
I think our promo is we made like week six of the show.
Oh geez.
So maybe it's time for a new promo I'd say.
We're in my late 20s now I was like 20 years old when we made that.
We recorded a new trailer like really late last year.
So ours is pretty updated.
So I made the music for everything that we use here.
Just on some Windows music maker thing.
And I only saved like a small little clip.
So I told Rose I'm like we need to keep our promo within this time constraint because
I can't make the music any longer.
That's so funny.
The movie we're about to discuss today made all of our music.
I love listening to your intro.
I had someone two weeks ago reach out and they're like hey did you know your intro music
is from the movie Holes.
I was like it's a song about digging holes.
Yes I was more than aware.
I was more than aware our intro song is the whole song.
It's like our whole thing.
It's our entire identity.
All we have.
You know the tough part about that is though is that there's no like there's no masters
of that.
There's just like it's a 2003 VHS movie.
That was never a real song.
So there's no like instrumentals.
There's no there's nothing.
I can't get anything out of that sound except for the intro because I can't clean it up.
I've tried to have a musician friend.
I was like can you rerecord this.
He's like no I have nothing.
Oh that dude like that sound has been so difficult to find.
Like I had to use some randos like Instagram or yeah.
TikTok that they posted to get that sound.
Oh yeah.
On a video and then Instagram just straight up doesn't have it.
So I was just looking through all the songs about digging that I find.
Oh yeah.
So I mean that that song is a banger though.
It goes so the detent boys did not need to go that hard.
They put their whole shovel into that song.
It was sick.
Dude early Disney films like most of their soundtracks are freaking bitching.
They are Eddie's million dollar cookoff.
Who could forget.
Oh damn you just freaking like dude I think we need to open up a nostalgic gate with me.
I think we're gonna need to do a top five Disney Channel original films at some point
soon.
Oh we are so down.
I'd have to go back and like rewatch some of my favorites but you know it's a you know
it's a low key banger.
It was late.
It was like as I was I watched Disney Channel longer than someone should.
But for good reason.
OK.
My parents used to make me go camping with them and there was like six channels at the
campground so they're dragging like a 14 year old kid to this campground.
I don't want to do anything.
And so at night I would watch TV and one of the channels was Disney Channel.
I was like well it's either this or sitting at the fire with my parents friends who I
don't like.
And one thing I learned they put out a movie in like 2013 called Let It Shine.
OK.
It's starring what's his everybody hates Chris something Tyler.
He's got Tyler in his name.
The guy from Everybody Hates Chris.
Let it shine.
It's it's a three.
It's a three name.
Jet is I want to say there's a Tyler and a Jesse Tyler James Williams Tyler James Williams
Chris from Everybody Hates Chris.
It's one of them.
Elite soundtrack.
Such a good movie.
Watch it.
Yeah.
I don't know if I've ever seen that one.
Yeah because you outgrew the Disney Channel as most people should.
I I didn't.
And as a result I caught a stray being let it shine.
They came out in 2012.
How old was I.
I was 16.
Yeah you you you outgrew Disney Channel.
You missed Let It Shine.
I'm telling you now you need to go back.
I'll give that one a watch.
Did the frickin cast is killer.
We still have Let It Shine.
Are we on holes.
Yeah no on Let It Shine.
And this was a straight up Disney Channel right to Disney Channel like Friday night
eight o'clock premiere.
This didn't go to the movies.
Dude if there is any one actor that makes me feel like really old it's Tyler James Williams
because I grew up watching Everybody Hates Chris.
Yeah.
And then like I just started watching Abbott Elementary on Hulu and he's like a straight
up adult.
Oh yeah.
It's like oh that's weird.
Like he's a real adult.
And then my wife was just like you realize that you're probably older or the same age
as him.
And I'm like what.
That's not true.
He's 30.
You're good.
He's 30.
Yeah he's three years older than me.
That's weird.
I'm going to go real quick on a Tyler James Williams.
Their parents were hilarious at naming their kids.
His brothers are Tyrell Jackson Williams and Tylin Jacob Williams.
They had a theme and they just kind of ran with it.
Yeah.
My brother Mikey T from Failing Hollywood ruined my mom's theme.
I'm just going to put that out there any time I can.
She wanted all of her kids names to end with a EY and he wanted to be quirky and spell
it M Y K I E. So K Y E. Yeah.
Mikey spells it M Y K I E because he's quirky and artsy.
I'm pretty sure that's not how birth certificates work.
Did he like legally get changed to that.
No he's still a Michael.
Oh yeah.
Don't let his quirky name on Instagram fool you.
His name is Michael John.
Oh man I freaking love Mikey.
So we met him when they were doing the winner's circle.
Yep.
And that's when we when we met Beth and DJ too.
I actually met him when I was born.
I miss the winner's circle by the way.
That was a fun show.
Dude that was super fun and we only get we got fucked.
So did we.
We lost.
Did you also lose to Beth and DJ.
Yes we did.
I lost to Beth and DJ.
We got fucked.
All the questions were super.
Also Hunter the kid who just got his doctorate gave me got zero correct questions.
That didn't help.
But we need to bring back the winner's circle.
Dude we did really good the first round because it was like on video games.
It was older video games but we were able to like kind of work our way into it because
like we got one that was like what what game was supposed to be solo but was actually multiplayer
and we're like probably like Goldeneye.
Yeah and like we got that and like so we're like all right like we're on a roll like we
got this and then they hit us with like art and I'm like yeah also like the art.
The scoring system on that game show was ridiculous.
He's like all right round one.
Everything's worth one point.
Round three.
Everything's worth forty five points.
Here's a topic that only DJ knows.
What the fuck is this.
Dude I forget like Jackie was like during the art one specifically was roasting the shit
out of us.
I forget love Jackie but that was hilarious.
But yeah it was just like shit we didn't know.
I'm just like all right well maybe this one.
Marine life.
Well shit.
Like you can give us a little like not like trying to cheat the system but like a movie
one.
Yeah maybe.
You guys know movies.
How about we do some movies.
Every time I go on feeling Hollywood Mike he's like wow you don't know any movies.
No I know holes and that's why I'm here today.
I know a movie.
Yeah Mike is the or Mike was the one that sparked the idea to have this because we posted
our recommendation about holes and he's like get Riley.
The second I saw that I guess I agree.
This is these two paths have been supposed to pass across for quite some time and I think
this is the perfect time to do it.
Oh yeah.
Anyway getting back on track the 4K release this week was Dungeons and Dragons honor among
thieves which we broke down not too long ago.
I don't think it might have been a minute but did you end up seeing Dungeons and Dragons.
I meant to and I didn't.
Yeah I heard it was good.
I heard good things.
It was fun.
Pretty good.
Yeah it's just I feel like do you listen to any like Dungeons and Dragons podcasts or
anything like that.
No I just play incorrectly.
Oh you play.
Oh yeah.
Dude if I had the time.
We haven't played in about six months but we I like dice.
That's like collecting dice.
Yeah it was good.
It was just our main issue is that I was missing the magic that you feel.
Yeah listening to or playing a game.
Yeah just felt like a movie like.
Yeah kind of like as weird as it says it's a movie that felt too much like a movie.
Yeah was it like missing like a DM aspect where you're like I need some madness to be
able to happen.
Yeah that's exactly what we like said about it.
We're like it needed like a dice aspect to it.
Yeah.
Because there was definitely some shit where it's like oh yeah he rolled a freaking nat
one or he rolled a nat 20 but most of the time it felt like yeah he maybe like this
plan didn't end up working out but it's just like it barely didn't work out so it's like
okay maybe that was like a four.
Yeah you rolled a seven.
I don't know.
It's just like a super average roll that just didn't work.
Yeah so it was it was odd but it is it is a good time like for for what it is.
I think I'm trying to do is fun.
I would like to play again.
We need Hunter back.
Hunter's our DM as I'm talking to you before the show.
Clearly nothing is getting done with him as our plungeons and dragons has died at the
hands of the hunt.
That's rough.
Anyway, so yeah that's getting released this week.
You can pick that up on Tuesday.
So the day after this gets released or you can watch it on Paramount Plus right now.
Oh really?
Yeah.
I might do that then.
That's worth a watch.
Like I said we just we were me and the wife watched it today so and she seemed to enjoy
it when she wasn't playing on her phone.
I'm writing it down.
I'm getting it.
I'm going to watch it.
All right.
Well that that's everything we got in 4k spotlight.
Nothing too newsworthy this week.
So we will be getting straight into this week's headliner where we will be breaking down 2003's
holes.
All righty getting into this week's headliner.
We did post a question of the week and we did get a few responses there.
Yeah.
So we got we post our question of the week to Instagram, TikTok and YouTube on their
shorts now.
We only got responses on TikTok but we did get a decent amount of responses.
So the question that we we asked was what is an unlikely combination that most people
may not know about.
Like they're like with holes being.
Are we talking peaches and onions?
People don't talk enough about how Zero was eating 300 year old pickled onion and beaches.
Yeah I'm like 90 percent sure their canning process wasn't exactly sanitary.
So yeah we found him.
He died from botulism.
Like what?
He was super dehydrated but that shit took over his whole body.
All right.
Let's see the first response we got is from Frowny B.
Shout out Frowny B.
Yeah.
I'm going to say she can never be too sure anymore.
But she said macaroni and cheese with ketchup banging.
Is it.
It's not a big ketchup fan.
So this is where I stand.
This is why I know it's a good combo.
I fucking hate ketchup.
I despise ketchup.
Macaroni and cheese with ketchup goes unbelievably hard.
Not a lot.
It's not a lot but a little bit.
It's nice.
Oh man.
You better not be lying to me because I'm going to because I have a three year old who
loves mac and cheese so I might give it a shot.
You got to go for it.
You know those people feel like is it what's the other is it mustard on their spaghetti
or something.
Oh I've never heard.
I think that's a thing.
Let me.
I don't know.
I don't think I'd be pulling that out.
She she also threw in a bonus one.
She said must are mixing mustard and ketchup.
No hard pass.
She says it's pretty good but must not believe that one.
Let's hear next responses from John or John the killer.
Hey John.
Yeah said eggs and ketchup.
It's the only other thing in the world that you catch up with.
I'm with them.
I'm I'm with the listeners this week.
Dude most of these are frickin ketchup related.
Are they.
Have you guys ever had mayo and ketchup on a cheeseburger.
It's like yeah.
What fry sauce.
We're talking like that's not.
I'm just saying mayo and ketchup on a burger.
You never put mayo and ketchup on a burger.
I do like that.
Yeah we call that.
So I'm from Utah and mayo and ketchup is a fry sauce.
Oh I'm not mixing them.
I'm just saying two different condiment just condiments.
They're just condiments in general.
Fry sauce just thousand island without relish.
Pretty much.
OK.
I like it.
Sounds good.
Everyone in Utah knows it as fry sauce and so they have like a there are some like places
you can go where they have like a mayo pump right next to the ketchup pump.
And so you like because everyone make your own fries.
Yeah.
And so you make your your little fry sauce and it's I don't like like I said I don't
like ketchup but I can get behind at least on a on a sandwich or a burger.
I like fry sauce.
And then like when I moved out of Utah they're just like oh you mean mayo chap.
And I'm like yes.
No.
Absolutely not.
Mayo chap is bottom of the bottom of the barrel name makes your ingredients like a grownup.
We don't need to buy Heinz mayo chap.
I've never once tried it because I'm like they don't get the ratio right.
I'm pretty sure.
Can't be a lot more pink than it is.
I learned my woman does like the HelloFresh things now.
I've learned the secret ingredient to every sauce on the planet is just sour cream.
Dude.
Every every single one of their recipes has fricking sour cream.
They're just like yeah.
And and now time for your special sauce.
Take the sour cream and mix it with what other whatever other ingredient and bam you got
special sauce.
Oh my gosh.
Dude I hate sour cream so much.
And HelloFresh just kind of helped me.
Yeah it helped ruin sour cream for me.
Dude every meal.
Can I just do it some sour cream.
You're like this is a burger like sour cream.
Trust me.
It goes hard.
Dude and HelloFresh doesn't even do a good job at hiding the sour cream.
It's like very is a super obvious taste.
Yeah it's sour cream.
Yeah.
Frickin' HelloFresh is on my shit list because it's sour cream.
Like I'll fricking throw that shit out.
Like I'll go all I went through all the bags one time because I was so sick of sour cream
and tossed every single one of the sour cream packets.
It's incredible.
What else?
They also love potatoes.
They're like here's 19 potatoes.
You're gonna have potato wedges for dinner every night.
Thanks HelloFresh.
I love potato wedges.
I will say this though.
I do like getting their potatoes because I'll cut them up into like really thin slices.
Oh yeah.
Oh I'm not complaining about.
Yeah I'm not complaining about having potato wedges for dinner.
All right let's see.
Next we got a response from Nick who said ketchup and pizza rolls.
What a way to ruin a good pizza roll.
I know.
You're gonna ruin one of God's greatest gifts.
Yeah the ones that you have to eat when they're like melt your tongue hot.
Oh yeah.
I know you want to cool this off but you're gonna miss your window.
Especially if you're eating a lot of them because you got to burn the shit out of your
tongue to freaking get the rest of them down.
Yeah.
That first one is strictly to the layer to buffer layer to remove all feeling on your
tongue.
Do you when you eat pizza rolls does the top of like the top of your mouth kind of feel
like you just ate like a shit ton of pineapple.
No just me.
Cool.
It's just you.
Maybe if you put more ketchup on it you wouldn't get that anymore.
Next question.
All right let's see.
Next response comes from Ann Bell who said me and the chances of getting a girlfriend.
Nice.
Well Ann if you take ketchup and you mix it with literally anything you'll find someone
out there who's passionate about whatever combination you're making and she'll love
you for you and you guys will make a beautiful couple.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Let's see next one's from Nikki cage edits.
He said Coca-Cola and Nutella toast.
In what way?
We talking like a like a nibble in a sip or we talking like bread in toast in the coke
coke on the toast.
That's I know I feel like we need more information on that one.
Yeah I'm going to need some follow up.
Where's the Nutella is the Nutella in the.
Have you heard of PILK.
That's going on lately.
People have been taking like a half cup of milk and a half cup of Pepsi combining it
and I guess it tastes like a like a root beer float.
It's called PILK.
I've wanted to try it because I mean I could see how that might add up.
I've seen a bunch of people try it being like there's no way this will be good.
This is just a fad and then be like fuck it's so good.
And I'm not someone who's like it's a fad.
I'm sure I would go right to this is the best thing ever.
Cherry PILK.
I bet cherry vanilla PILK would go unbelievably.
PILK zero.
There's so many options.
I don't know if I wouldn't do it with.
Has anyone done it with like Coke.
I'm sure they have.
Pepsi Coke.
I'm sure they've.
I think its origin is Pepsi but I think you can use Coke.
OK.
Because I mean I don't.
I haven't drank soda in a real long time but I might be willing to try that.
Have you been slamming milk like are either of these often.
Yes.
Are either of these often in your wheelhouse.
No like I usually drink water and when I feel like treating myself it's lemon water.
Oh yeah.
You live life on the edge.
Honey we're getting turnt tonight.
I got a lemon and a lime for our water.
It's about to go down.
I know I've like I realize how much of a square that makes me sound.
I used to drink soda a lot but now it just like makes me feel bloated.
So I'm like whatever.
I'm not doing that anymore.
I have like a soda a month and it just catches my eye one day and then I'm like yes.
Today I tried a starry for the first time.
Starry.
So Pepsi discontinued Sierra Mist and did a total rebrand for their Sprite competitor.
And they made a scent they just made Sprite and they branded it more like Sprite than
Sierra Mist was.
That's all it is.
Just a lot more yellow.
They just use more yellow than previous.
Where before like a Sierra Mist looks like it could it could possibly be like a ginger
ale if you looked at it wrong.
This one's just yellow Sprite.
For the branding the color is still clear.
Yeah.
The Sprite is superior.
I've had my first carbonated drink in I'd say like three years.
Oh really?
And it was on accident because we went to Sonic and I ordered a what I ordered was a
lemon or a lemonade slush.
But they gave me a frozen like lemon lime drink and it was like a soda.
So like I started drinking I'm like this is just straight up Sprite.
Like what the hell?
And so like I ended up drinking that and regretted it like all day.
Did it taste good though?
It was pretty good.
I'm gonna have to jack my stomach up like for the rest of the day.
Sometimes you got to jack your stomach up.
I feel like I do that enough with my diet but as I say I still choose to eat Chipotle
once a week.
It doesn't doesn't mean I should but the heart wants what it wants man.
So yeah we need we need more information on this Coca-Cola Nutella toast.
So 1000 percent.
So my guess is like my guess is like a snack serving and then like a nice ice cold glass
of it on the side.
But I'd that's my assumption too.
But if it's like a dip or anything I'm hoping I'm hoping it's not for fun sick.
All right then.
Next we got a couple of responses both from DJ from the untrained eye.
Who said crash and DJ on your podcast talking about this one.
I agree.
And then he said I feel like people are confusing unlikely with horrible.
We'll get back to you depending when we get more info on the Nutella.
Yeah I hit him up and I was just like hey we don't judge and he says you need to start
judging these ketchup loving psychopaths.
I agree.
So that is all the responses that we got for that question of the week.
So thank you to everyone that answered.
We really appreciate your responses.
And if you didn't like the answers that's too damn bad.
Leave your own damn comment on the pole this week.
Oh man I'm for sure putting that on my sound board tonight.
I don't know if I'll make it to bed until it's on my cell phone.
I wanted to jump into like doing more shit with the sound board other than like our intro
and like promos and stuff like I've wanted to get a little bit more fun with it but like
we're you can get carried away real quick.
I'll warn you right now.
Yeah we're we're damn near 300 episodes in like I feel like it'd just be weird if we
started now.
No no it would be perfect.
My sound board is just full of Timothy Robert Castles and Mike 5 to 5 rocket so I'm sure
your sound board will be so much better.
If you just don't load it up like with garbage like me you'll be fine.
I don't trust myself enough to not because that you're going to need to watch the trigger
finger.
You can get carried away.
I get when I when I remember I have things I'll forget for 10 episodes at a time and
then I'll have a 20 minute stretch.
I'm like oh yeah press everything.
I'll be setting Hunter up.
Hey trying to just get fall into a trap.
He always does.
He's stupid.
It's the best.
Love that.
So yeah like I said that was all our answers.
We really appreciate them.
So now we can get into our breakdown.
So for those of you that are unfamiliar with our breakdown system we have split movies
into eight different categories that we individually score to come to a final All Bros and The
Plunge letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us
a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade as well as a percentage
that doesn't matter despite whatever DJ says.
It's just fun to see where these movies rank within their own the universe.
Yeah.
And ABU.
So yeah if you have not seen Holes you have had 20 years to do so.
So I do not feel bad about spoiling this movie for you.
Some are calling it the movie of the millennium already three years in.
To me.
So if you have not seen it I'm about to spoil the entire freaking thing for you.
We're going to read through the synopsis and then we'll get into our breakdown.
My takeaway watching this is I was like if I explain this movie the way it was laid out
the order that it was displayed to me people would not believe it's a real movie.
The timing of all the cuts and time does not check out at all.
Did not hold up.
That was my one take away.
That shit was all over the place.
I went to like take my food out of the oven when I hit play and he was like already at
camp I was like what the fuck happened.
What happened to the shoes.
In my mind no time in my memory it happened like sequentially with like he stole shoes.
He went home.
There was this whole thing.
He went to court he went to prison prison and sued.
That's when the flashbacks to Kiss and Kate happened and then like the watching it back
I was like oh no they cut back and forth all over the fucking place for no rhyme or reason.
But I mean somehow it worked.
It worked.
Well it worked so good.
Yeah despite all my words just now held up tremendously.
Alright so in Green Lake Texas the Yelnats family has been cursed to be unlucky which
they blame on their ancestor Elia's failure to keep a promise to fortune teller Madame
Zaroni over a century earlier in Latvia.
One day Stanley Yelnats the fourth is wrongly convicted of stealing a pair of sneakers that
were donated to charity by baseball player Clyde Sweetfeet Livingston and is sentenced
to 18 months at Camp Green Lake a juvenile detention camp in lieu of jail time.
The camp is in a dried lake bed where rain never falls and venomous yellow spotted lizards
proliferate.
Stanley meets warden Louise Walker her assistant Mr. Sir and camp counselor Dr. Padansky.
Prisoners what?
AKA Mom.
Another great name.
Prisoners known by their nicknames including Zero, Zigzag, Armpit, Squid, X-ray and Magnet
spend each day digging holes in the desert.
They may earn a day off if they find anything interesting inside the holes.
After Stanley finds a golden lipstick tube, initialed KB and a fossil he is accepted into
the group and given the nickname Caveman.
When Magnet steals Mr. Sir's bag of sunflower seeds Stanley takes the blame and is taken
by Mr. Sir to Walker's cabin.
Inside Stanley notices old wanted posters and newspapers that lead them to realize that
KB stands for Katherine Kissin' Kate Barlow, an outlaw his great grandfather encountered.
Walker assaults Mr. Sir for his irrelevant report and allows Stanley to return to work.
Camp Green Lake's history is revealed in a series of flashbacks as a flourishing lakeside
community in the 19th century.
Kate romantically bonds with Sam, an African American onion merchant who helps repair her
schoolhouse.
When the wealthy Charles Trout Walker discovers the two kissing he spreads the word in a fit
of jealousy and the town's citizens burn down the schoolhouse and murder Sam.
In retaliation Kate becomes an outlaw hunting down Walker's men, earning her nickname by
kissing the men she murders.
As her legend is established Green Lake goes into decline due to the lakes sudden evaporation.
One of Kate's victims is Elia's son Stanley Yelnath Sr. who is robbed of his chest of
gold and left to fend for himself in the desert.
Years later Kate has a final confrontation with the now destitute Walkers before allowing
herself to be lethally bitten by a lizard.
She boasts that neither Walker nor his descendants will find her buried fortune.
In the present when Padansky mocks Zero whose real name is Hector Zaroni the latter strikes
Padansky with a shovel and runs off.
After some deliberation Stanley searches for Hector.
The pair have difficulty surviving in the desert without water.
Eventually Stanley carries the ailing Hector up the mountain where they find a wild field
of onions and a source of water helping them regain strength at the same time.
He didn't just carry him up the mountain he carried Madame Zaroni up the mountain so she
can drink and get strong too.
That's a killer impression.
I've been quoting that nonstop for 20 years I just go up to him and say you must carry
Madame Zaroni up the mountain.
They're like what the fuck are you talking about?
You and your family will be cursed for always and eternity.
Let's see.
Stanley unknowingly fulfills his ancestors promise to the fortune teller and breaks the
curse.
While camping on the mountain Hector tells Stanley that he stole Livingston's sneakers
and threw them over the bridge to evade the police only for them to inadvertently hit
Stanley's head.
Returning to the camp Stanley and Hector investigate the hole where Stanley found the lipstick
and discover a chest before they are discovered by Walker, Mr. Sur, and Podanski.
They soon realize that Walker who is Trout's granddaughter is using the inmates to search
for Barlow's treasure.
The adults are unable to steal the chest from the boys as the hole was swarmed with lizards
which do not bite Stanley and Hector due to the onions they ate earlier.
The adults, puzzled, wait for the lizards to kill the boys.
They left out that detail in the movie.
They just weren't getting bitten.
It had nothing to do with the onions.
Must have been a book thing.
Must have been in the book.
Dude, it must have been a book thing.
Even watching as an adult I was just like what the hell.
This is what, reading this made me realize, oh okay, it's because of the onions.
Which is like, okay, maybe it's just his luck that's keeping him from getting bit now.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I over thought it.
I thought, oh maybe they've already been faced with death.
So they can't be faced.
No, it's onions.
They ate 45 onions in a two day span.
The next morning the Attorney General and Stanley's lawyer arrive accompanied by Texas
Rangers.
The chest Stanley found is discovered to have belonged to his namesake great grandfather.
Walker, Mr. Sur, who is revealed to be a paroled criminal named Marion Savillo, and Padansky,
who revealed to not be an actual doctor, are arrested.
Stanley and Zero are released and it reigns in Green Lake for the first time in over a
century.
The Yelnats family claims the chest, which contains jewels, deeds, and promissory notes,
which they share with Hector, who uses it to hire private investigators to find his
missing mother.
And both families live a life of financial ease as neighbors.
Yeah.
So much.
It's great.
Dude, this movie is a lot.
It's a lot.
This, this, that whole synopsis leaves out the whole like racist burning down of a town.
Like tackles race wars.
Tackles.
Dude, like they, they dealt with some crazy shit with this movie.
Yeah.
They're a guy.
We're going to ease into this by showing the assassination of a black man for kissing
a white woman.
Uh, and then we're going to go back to the camp where they're digging some holes.
Um, the, the lizards, the CGI was so funny.
Don't, did not remember it being that bad.
Well I've made for what it for a cheesy Disney movie, like way back when they, it wasn't
horrible and it wasn't like super distracting either.
I thought there were a few times where it was super, anytime they had them do like a
movement, it was super like, cause you could tell they were just using regular bearded
dragons, but anytime that they had to do like a CGI one, it was like, Oh, that's that like
the one where they shot it.
That one was funny.
Whereas I got, they had to like running with his hands up like I'm coming.
I'm a lizard and I'm going to get you.
Oh man.
They, they, yeah.
I mean, I feel like it could have been worse, but I mean for 2003, like that's true.
The comps at the time.
What did you like go, go look at Shrek one, the animation doesn't hold up.
So it's fine.
Like it's fine.
The yellow spotted lizards are fine.
I want to go to the scene where they got to the top of God's thumb.
They were just drinking mud water.
That was not moving water.
It wasn't running water.
That was, that was just,
that was stale mud.
Yeah.
That was gross water.
Yeah.
That was not, it's not drinkable water.
You couldn't have at least made like a stream of some sort.
No, dude.
And they just like, and then they raw dogged like 75 onions, which was insane.
He says a lot too.
What did he say?
It's, wow.
What is it?
Which Shia LaBeouf wakes up that morning.
He's like, Oh man, I couldn't sleep.
I've been farting all night.
And I was like, all right, they, they at least address how ridiculous it is to be just mowing
onions for nutrition.
Dude, I thought it was fricking hilarious how they were jumping on like the onions fix
everything.
He can like bandwagon like, Oh, you can mix onions with literally anything and it's a
cure for something.
Like the whole, what did he mix?
He Mitch mixed onions with, was it peaches that he based or that his dad mixed?
Oh yeah.
He accident.
No, he accidentally dropped peaches into his shoe mixture and then they smelled nothing.
Thus created sweet feats.
What the fuck is this?
Slup.
Oh my God, dude, they, they definitely shoe horn some like some weird stuff in here.
Like with the whole, uh, what was it?
It's just like smelly feet is what his dad was trying so hard to Henry Winkler was just
battling the battle that we all, we needed the Fonz to be fighting athlete's foot.
That's what this movie needed for no reason.
I also, uh, Padanjski was so mean to zero for no re he had met him two days prior and
he was like, yeah, dumb, dumb.
He was like the therapist.
He was like, you guys all matter except you dumb dumb.
You don't have a brain.
You can't read.
It was, I don't, we're going to get to the rating of character progression.
No one in this movie progressed.
Not a single person at the end.
They're like, Hey man, call my mom and tell her I'm sorry.
That was it.
They had like two characters be like, you know, maybe I shouldn't be in child prison.
Maybe I should try to better myself.
That was it.
Oh yeah.
But I mean, starting off with, with story.
So I, I like, we'll be putting in our scores for this, but I, I was luckily able to get
Rose to throw in his scores too.
So we have his to compare to.
Okay.
Um, I don't think he wrote any notes.
Let me just check.
I mean, last time he wrote in some stuff, like what he wanted to say about each, each
category.
So overall, the story is not very good.
I don't know how they made this.
They made this a good movie.
I don't know how some child steals shoes from a baseball player in an orphanage.
It then turns into child prison camp, which isn't a thing.
Um, dude, like the freaking sentencing 18 months for, for, for borrowing a pair of
shoes from, from a giveaway, like a raffle.
Even if he did steal them, like they got the shoes back.
Yeah.
Like, I feel like that's the, it's a slap on the wrist.
Yeah.
Hey, you have a clean record.
Um, you've never done anything bad in your life and this is very uncharacteristic of
you.
Also, you said you didn't steal these.
We kind of believe you.
That's how this movie ends, but then, but then there's anything that this movie proves.
It's like, once you have money solves all your problems.
It's yeah.
Once you have money, you can sell your foot product and have a nice swimming pool.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Like it was ridiculous.
Like that, what the, the lengths that they went to, to send him to camp, I probably could
have bought like sentencing him to like maybe a few months because it maybe it was like,
maybe it was summer or whatever, but sending 18 months, we're going to take a year and
some change from this kid's life because of some shoes.
Also there's three adults at a camp with like a hundred children.
Yeah.
One of which isn't involved.
One of which stays in her house.
Jeez.
And you only get like a fricking canteen of water.
Like you also not nearly enough holes, not nearly enough holes were dug for the amount
of time and the amount of prisoners they have.
Let's let's call it what it is.
Prisoners they have digging holes.
Did you know they made another, another movie about armpit?
Not a movie.
They made, there's a followup book about armpit.
It's called like something footsteps.
I read it as a child.
Was he the one that like had the mommy issues?
Small steps.
Uh, yeah.
He was the fat guy with the arms.
Okay.
Theodore.
What would, what was that movie about or that book about?
I I'm going to, before I pull up the Wikipedia, I somehow remember a concert.
He friends some sort of musician.
I think.
Let me read the plot.
Three years after his release from camp green Lake, Theodore Johnson armpit is living in
Austin, Texas, trying to build a stable lifestyle by working for a landscaping company and caring
for his neighbor, Ginny, a 10 year old girl with cerebral palsy.
Don't remember this one bit.
He then meets X-ray, a friend from camp green Lake who asked for his help in a ticket scalping
scheme for teen pop star, Kiara daily on upcoming concert.
That's what's up.
All right.
He takes the cerebral palsy girl and the tickets turned out to be counterfeit.
He has beaten up by handcuffed by police.
And then the cerebral palsy girl has a seizure and the police thinks it's a reaction to drugs.
But then the pop star invites them backstage and they become friends.
And then he goes to San Francisco where he's then attacked by people in a scalping ring.
That sounds like an acid trip of a movie or a book.
The story ends when armpit hears Kyra sing a song she wrote about him on the radio and
accepts that his life cannot revolve around her.
Instead, he decides to continue with his plan of taking small steps forward towards a better
life for himself.
What the hell?
That sounds ridiculous.
Is there more movies in the whole series?
That is an odd one to leave off on.
But, I mean, despite how weird this story was, like there's definitely a lot that you
just kind of have to look past, but for, I mean, for what it is, like if I feel it flowed
pretty well, they did have some like odd points where they were throwing in the weird flashbacks
and shit.
But, I mean, I think they, they kept it pretty consistent.
Yeah.
It all came together.
Yeah.
I mean, man, Sam was just trying to fix that.
He made the nicest school in town.
He burned it down.
Unbelievable.
There he, he sound, he sounded exactly like I do when something in my house or my apartment
breaks.
My wife like calls it out.
I'm like, I can fix that except I have none of the follow through.
I have the ability, but again, it's gone.
Whenever you get to those things, they always take like four minutes to you like, let them
sit there for like four months being like, man, what an inconvenience this is.
And then you go and finally do it.
And you're like, this took seven and a half minutes.
I have one more book thing.
They also released Stanley Yelnat survival guide to Camp Green Lake.
It was a companion book in 2003 published a month before the film version of holes.
And it was Stanley's tongue in cheek handbook for newcomers to Camp Green Lake for a more
pleasant trip than the one featured in holes.
Oh, geez.
He did number eight on the New York Times bestsellers, bestselling paper children's
books.
So I guess not that good.
That seems like a pretty niche.
Yeah.
I was going to say like, if that was like top eight, like of New York time bestsellers,
like that'd be insane.
No, no, but not children's paperback.
Yeah.
I mean, you've lowered your niche from like from children's and then just paperback.
Like, that's a very small pool.
Peaked at number eight on children's paperback sequels to 2003 movie feature film adaptation.
You know, they probably like it probably got up there because of like a scholastic book
fair.
Oh, yeah.
Nothing better than a scholastic.
There honestly isn't.
You can get some cool shit.
Yeah.
Posters of posters of cars.
Nothing like scholastic book fair day when you're like, I'm going to get the sickest
Red Sox poster right now.
Mom gives you twenty dollars to buy books and you come home with a Lamborghini poster.
You're like, yep, this is a good read.
Dude, I remember we had like an assembly during the book fair where it was like some yo-yo
company came out and like a bunch of like college students doing like yo-yo tricks.
And I thought that was the coolest shit.
My mom gave me it was like a decent amount of money to go get some like new books.
And she thought I was going to get like some educational shit.
I came home.
How do yo-yo?
Yeah, I came home with the new yo-yo that I didn't know how to use.
No one knows how to use.
Yeah.
So I came home with a new yo-yo, a Pokedex.
Yep.
And oh, and a spy kit.
That's a good haul.
You had fun for like two weeks off that book fair.
It was a good time.
Like they had like the secret glasses so you like, or like a monocle that you could put
on and you could write in invisible ink.
But you could also like share it with your friends and by shining the black light on
it because it had like a black light.
It had the invisible ink pen, the little monocle.
What else did it have?
Oh, I think it had it came with a watch with like a flashlight.
Yep, of course.
It's what every kid needs.
Just like the most random-
Surely had a laser pointer for some reason.
I think the reason I bought it is because it had a laser alarm system.
Yes.
And it was the hardest thing in the world to set up.
It's not meant to be that.
Because you had to take the laser and like aim it perfectly at the other system and so
when it would trip, it'd be the loudest thing that was like impossible to turn off.
Oh man.
Dude, this movie is doing a lot for my nostalgia right now.
Yeah.
Listen, the movie of the millennium, they don't give that out lightly.
Brings back emotions and memories you didn't know you had.
It's the last time you've been to a wrong.
It's been a hot minute.
I know I've done it once, but-
I don't think I have.
I didn't do it on purpose.
They used apples that they painted.
I was fooled.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember the actor for Zero, Cleo Thomas, did an interview and said like, yep, it's-
or he did like a ask me anything thing on Instagram and someone asked that.
He's just like, yep, it was apples.
I'm like, those were some super round apples.
Yeah, big, big boys.
So, where- so this is out of a hundred.
Okay.
Rose ended up scoring a pretty high.
Really?
Yeah.
He's sitting at an 88.
Oh my God.
I was leaning towards like a 62 because I think it's going to make up its-
62?
I think it's going to make up its points elsewhere.
I don't think its story was exactly the strong suit.
All right, I'll go with this.
I don't know how harsh of judges you guys are, so I don't know.
So this is kind of- like we've had some people that are like, oh, it's like super average
and like go down to 50.
This is more based off of like schoolhouse grades.
Oh, we're going schoolhouse grading?
Schoolhouse grading.
Okay, all right.
That does change the percentage.
Okay, all right, all right, all right.
Yeah, okay, it's not an F then.
All right, let me take that back.
Yeah, so where Rose-
I think it's a pretty flat mid-C still, I think like a 76.
That'll be where I lay in on the story.
That's actually right about where I was at too.
Like, I might be a little higher, like 78, but yeah.
Yeah.
I was like, I don't see it as a C minus, but I don't see it as a C plus.
It might be somewhere in that line.
Yeah, so all of these categories other than music and costumes-
100.
Yeah, so all of those are out of 100, but based off of like a schoolhouse system.
Okay, all right.
And then music's like one out of 10.
10.
All right, but getting over to writing.
Yeah, dude, like this is so freaking quotable.
It's so quotable.
Like, my thing on it's- it was quotable in that there are already a bunch of things where
I, as they were saying it, I was already quoting because it's that quotable.
But I also picked up new ones in this watch through, which I think goes to how quotable
it is.
Like what?
Like him, when he woke zero up the next morning, he's like, yeah, I can't sleep.
I've been farting a bunch.
Like that made me laugh unbelievably hard.
Watching as an adult, I'd never realized truly how funny Mr. Sir is.
Like when he's like, he's off doing like PTSD shit in the background.
He's doing super funny shit all the time, off camera almost, like in the background.
Oh my gosh, dude.
He was ridiculous.
I used to be like-
Mr. Sir.
That's why I was like, when I watched it as a kid, I was like, yeah, he's mean.
And then I watched it and I was like, that's a good character all around.
That's just a dude who wants to smoke some cigarettes.
And then also just the blatant meanness of mom to zero had me dying laughing where he
was just like, you guys all deserve a spot in society, except you, you fucking idiot.
A guy he had met a day prior.
How did zero get to prison so quick?
That part threw me off.
I was like, well, he did his shit after Stanley did.
He's been here.
He's created a reputation for himself at this camp already.
My justification for that is maybe that it was a longer drawn out process for Stanley
because his family could afford a lawyer.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Zero is like, I'll go to prison tomorrow.
Let's go.
Yeah.
Can you guys give me shoes?
Do you have shoes there?
I'm in.
Let's put me on the bus.
Dude, I, I freaking love, um, Tim Blake Nelson.
I can fix that.
I love that the, I love the interactions between Mr. Sir, the warden and the dance.
The three of them are very good.
They're hilarious.
I like the whole inner, like, what are we going to do?
You'll do as I say.
Yeah.
What'd you say?
Not much.
What do we do?
You'll do as I say.
You didn't say anything either.
Everybody just got the shit kicked out of them by children.
That was sick.
Yeah.
Oh, when fricking Padansky's like D I G what does that spell?
That was good.
And boom, dig.
They spent a whole story arc just digging because of a lie.
I built the whole trench.
I built a whole ass canal system.
Like the fricking digging.
I like when they, uh, when Stanley like handed over that little lipstick thing to, uh, what's
his face?
I think it was X-ray.
Yeah.
Um, and they started doing like the super like crazy digging in that area.
Yeah.
I was like, that's like professional level.
That's professional level digging.
Yeah.
I'm like, you guys had like archways and stuff, little doors.
Like are you kidding me?
Pure excavators.
They are the pros.
There are no better diggers.
Listen, there's a reason armpit went on to landscaping in his life prior.
Dude, no joke.
Armpit wasn't getting out of those holes by the way.
Five foot hole.
You think armpits getting out?
No fucking way.
That's a heavy boy.
Dude, I, I forget the, uh, I liked how the warden's way of like rewarding everyone was
just filling up their canteens.
Oh yeah.
Like right after it had gotten filled up.
Yeah.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
Like I don't think he's in the wrong.
I think he's kind of, he just filled up their canteens.
I didn't realize how, uh, or didn't remember how graphic the warden mauling fricking Mr.
Sir was.
Oh yeah.
He got messed up.
Yeah.
He got, he got messed up.
It was bad ass too.
She's like, yeah, you see this?
I'm trying to think of like any other quotes off the top of my head.
I'm tired of this grandpa.
Last two day and bye.
That's just the perfect cuddle.
It's literally like a family guy cutaway scene.
Like, dude, that is probably one clip that didn't fit into the movie.
Like the whole scene felt so weird, but I'm so glad it was in there.
Oh yeah.
My favorite line and the, the, I didn't realize that quote was from holes until my most recent
are, not the, not the watch I had today, but the one prior, like a few weeks ago, but I
had been quoting that for years.
Yeah.
It's been huge on tick tock.
I mean, like as soon as I heard the hum, when they kicked to the scene, I was like, oh my
God, no way.
Like, I hadn't even seen anything yet.
I was like, I already know this sound.
I love this sound.
I didn't even know this was from like my favorite movie.
This is the best, man.
Dude, I, I fricking shoe horn that in everywhere.
Anytime someone bitches about being tired, that's too damn bad.
All the Madam's Aroney quotes are incredible.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely.
Dude, the fricking story between, um, Kate and Sam, like that was a pretty well done
story.
Beautiful.
Like that could have been a movie all on its own.
It should have been.
I'd argue it should have been.
Yeah.
I mean, I'll, I'll give you that.
I'm trying to pull up movie quotes.
I'm trying to get some, but I don't, I don't want book quotes.
All right.
I want, I want movie quotes.
I'm looking some up to, Oh, that when Stanley's like, I feel really awkward with you reading
over my shoulder like that.
I can't read.
I look at the analyst, the Gordy Weaver's like, Hey, I, please let me open it.
He's like, yeah, Nope.
I'm going home.
These gold bars and bonds are mine.
All the things with the pigs.
I want to pig.
Give me that was good.
I enjoyed it.
Dude, if there, if there was ever a character that I felt was like real unnecessary, it
was fricking Twitch.
Twitch has no purpose at all.
He just filled in for zero.
He pissed me off this watch.
I was like, I hate Twitch stupid visor.
Oh, uh, uh, to dance.
It smells like puke from a mule been running on, been ruminating on asparagus for two weeks.
That's a good quote.
Oh, when Stanley hands zero and onion, he's like, here, eat this.
What is it?
It's a hot fudge Sunday.
Just eat it.
The hot fudge.
So the ice cream thing kept was starting to piss me off.
I was like, I get it.
We get it.
All right.
Yeah.
There's ice cream, hot fudge at the top of the mountain.
Also, I liked that they like free soloed like a 10 pitch rock climb casually with, with
shit on their back and a fuck in a shovel.
Dude, that climb was sketchy is all hell.
Everything turns to a callous eventually.
Oh, when freaking Stanley flight found the lipstick and is like, look, it says KB.
Yeah.
That's Keith Berenger.
He was in my math class.
Uh, Mr. Sir was like, yeah, keep running.
There ain't going to be no yell nets.
The fifth.
That got me pretty good.
They like, there was like, like you said, just a ridiculous amount of quotes in here.
One of the more quotable movies I've seen in a while.
Where were we?
Easily where we leaning on the writing grade.
Honestly, I might be a little bit higher.
I'm leaning higher because it does come from like a number one bestselling book too.
Like it's a top tier book adaptation.
It definitely is.
Like Rose even stated this.
He's like, I don't remember the book for shit, but I remember this movie.
Yeah.
For sure.
Yeah.
Rose went a little bit lower.
So he went from an 88 in story to an 86.
Okay.
I was leaning 89.
I was, I was going 89, 89.
I'm going to go up to 90 after discovering the, the I'm tired of this grandpa quote.
I think that's worth the, that pumps it to the a that's the, I just went to my teacher
at the end of the semester and 89.9 and I really wanted that a you got it.
You got the a I bumped you up.
You've been a good student.
That's two day in bed.
Uh, I, I might be, gosh, this one's tough.
I might be where Rose is at, like near an 86.
I think it's, it's, it's a damn good script, but they threw in some, there's some cluster
fucking this movie.
Let's not forget that there is, and I'm sure in the book, that's probably just a chapter
for being honest.
That's just a chapter.
So it makes sense.
I'm sure.
But in the movie it came across not as great.
And I think, I think, like we said, I think I needed a Kate and Sam solo movie, like short
film or something after.
Well they didn't have one.
They murdered him.
They, they, they executed him upon a single kiss.
So he could not fix that.
He cannot fix.
Yeah, I'll, I'll be at an 86 and that's just, that's solely because of the, the weird shit
that they threw in.
It was the slow mo shots for no reason.
That really got to you.
Yeah, that was, that was funky.
Our moving on over to acting.
We have Shia LaBeouf who plays Stanley Yelnats, Cleo Thomas who plays Zero, Sigourney Weaver
who plays the Warden, John Voight who plays Mr. Sir, Tim Blake Nelson who plays Dr. Podansky,
Henry Winkler who plays Stanley's father.
Stanley Yelnats the third.
Geez, the fricking ordering of this cast list.
I thought, I thought Stanley Yelnats was like the seventh.
I thought there was like hundreds of years of, of lore and curse.
I didn't think he was just the fourth.
Just the fourth.
Memory served his title a bit different in my mind.
Yeah, I mean especially when you had the third and the second.
In the film, yeah.
And then let's see, we got Patricia Arquette who played Kisten Kate Barlow and Dulé Hill
who played Sam the Onion Man.
Don't forget Rick Fox, NBA champion as Sweet Feet Livingston.
Is, okay, I'm just going to assume that Sweet Feet Livingston's a fake athlete.
Yeah, no, not a real person.
No, the guy who plays him is a, is a, is, was an LA Laker.
He's a basketball player.
Okay, okay, cool.
The only sport that I understand is made up.
So it was Quidditch.
Hell yeah, dude.
Any other sport I'm just, I'm completely clueless to like, and I used to play tee ball.
I still don't understand baseball for shit.
Yeah, Sweet Feet's not a real guy.
I'm sorry to break the news to you.
He's actually a World Series champion with the New York Yankees in 02.
Okay, I assume not.
I just didn't want to be like kind of a weird made up athlete and have it be like real.
It's like, no, that guy was actually three time MVP.
And then just a few of the guys that were in this, we have Jake M. Smith who played
squid by squid at all.
Yeah, like their IMDb photos are from holes.
The squid guy, if you click his, it brings you to a blank page.
Does it really?
Cause I clicked one of the other guys and he had like two movies around the same time
as holes and then never seen from again.
Oh yeah.
Squid.
The last thing he was in was from 2009 and he was just an assistant.
He was uncredited in one movie and then one episode of law and order or three episodes
of law and order as different characters, as different care on different law and order.
Yep. He was in on law and order criminal intent.
And then he did one episode of SVU when he was a year before holes.
That's hilarious.
Then yeah, Byron Cotton who plays armpit, Brendan Jefferson who plays X-ray.
X-ray they brought into even Stevens for a couple episodes.
Did they really?
That's so cool.
Well, actually it looks like he was on even Stevens and then was in holes.
He hasn't been in anything since 2004 X-ray.
Yeah.
It looks like 2001 was a pretty, well, he did four episodes total.
One of them was various teenage voices.
Oh, he was in even Stevens first.
Yeah.
Before holes.
Yeah.
That's wild.
Armpit was a grip guy on the Jackson's.
He has a camera and electrical department credit.
Jeez.
His acting credit is funky.
Like from 93 to 97 seemed pretty busy.
Then 98 he did a few projects.
99 he did a few projects.
Then 2000 on just seemed to die.
Then 2003 then he stopped acting in 2004 unless he's still attempting to act.
That's wild.
None of these guys were like in anything ever.
I'm looking at Miguel Castro's.
Yeah Miguel Castro playing magnet, which I mean his, but all of these guys' pictures
other than zigzag was in some stuff, but still not that much.
Yeah he was in waiting.
Waiting was a good movie.
Yeah.
He was in waiting out two years after.
Apparently there he was in, I guess there's a sequel to waiting called still waiting.
Still waiting.
And then he was in whiplash like the whiplash.
Like the whi- oh damn.
Like the good movie whiplash.
Dude I freaking love that movie.
Cool.
Alright, let's uh, so what we usually do with this is our top three actors from this movie.
I do not have roses.
With like a rating for each?
Or just the three?
No no no just the top three and then we give like an overall rating score.
Alright, I'm gonna go with Mr. Sir.
So good.
He's so good.
As your number three?
Or is he your top?
I'll go Mr. Sir.
Yeah I'll go Mr. Sir at the three spot.
Probably Sigourney Weaver at the two.
You gotta go Shia LaBeouf.
Gotta go Shia LaBeouf at the one.
It's the performance that sparked a career of interest.
Gosh that one's tough.
Cause I felt like if there was any- cause I really like Shia LaBeouf as an actor.
I think he's like fantastic.
Especially in like more serious roles.
But I don't think he shined as much as I remember him shining.
No.
But back to what I said earlier.
Not a single character had any character development in this film so it's hard to be like this
guy crushed it.
I think it was tough with Stanley cause it just kinda felt like life was happening to
him.
And he was just like all shoulders.
I refuse to lie or tell the truth and that's why I'm here.
Yeah what do you got?
Gosh I think my number three.
It might just have to be all three adults cause they just played the heel.
Like they kinda carried for giving any sort of story.
You know I'm gonna come in with a hot take.
So I'm gonna start off with my- or yeah I'll do my two and three.
My number two I'm gonna give to Patricia Arquette who played Kisten Kate Barlow.
Kisten Kate Barlow okay.
And then my number three I'm gonna give to Dulé Hill who played Sam the Onion Man.
Sam the Onion Man had a great performance.
I loved their story so much.
And they sold everything that they were trying to sell.
They made it believable that this woman would snap and go on to become a notorious outlaw.
Like they sold it in their three minutes of screen time.
They sold it.
They absolutely sold it.
Dude and what a freaking budget you would have had to drop to do freaking scenes like
that.
Yeah.
Like you were going like full like 1800s Wild West.
You're also torching buildings.
So I've given it to those two because those two killed it like everything.
There wasn't a single thing that I felt was unbelievable.
I feel like a lot of times with the flashbacks it's hard to see why someone would fall for
someone else.
They freaking delivered that amazingly well.
My number one I'm gonna give to Mr. Sir.
Mr. Sir is the fucking best.
Watching this back it was just it was the Mr. Sir show.
Everything he did had me cracking up whether he was being like mean to the kids or just
being funny for something else.
Everything had me dying.
Dude I.
And Mr. Sir is just such a good name.
His performance was so unhinged.
It was it worked perfectly well.
Yeah.
Like I loved when all the cops were there and he was just like trying to hide like so
obvious like trying to hide his face like making himself like way more suspicious.
He needed to.
Yeah.
Like you freaking idiot.
But I mean that dude pulled it off so well.
Like what what else has John Voight been in because I freaking love him.
That's a good question.
He's also only been in holes.
Like there's another movie that I'm thinking of.
Anaconda Midnight Cowboy.
These are all from like the runaway train.
Is there anything I've seen.
Oh he was in national treasure.
Really.
Yeah he was he was the he was Gates's dad.
That's what I knew him from.
Like gosh that was bugging me so much.
He was in Tropic Thunder at the John as himself as himself.
He was in Transformers.
Yep both national treasures.
Who who was he in Transformers.
Defense Secretary John Keller.
OK.
He played President Roosevelt in Pearl Harbor.
He played Zoolander's dad in Zoolander.
Oh my hell.
Dude I got a lot of hate for my opinions on Zoolander.
Zoolander is my least favorite Ben's movie.
So I didn't watch it until this year.
I tried watching it for the first time I'll say.
I hated it.
I hated it a lot.
Like I think I made it through like 30 minutes waiting for something funny to happen.
And I was like I don't like the vibe of this.
I hate Will Ferrell's character.
I hate Ben Stiller's character.
I hate everyone's character.
I hate all of these characters.
And I don't think it's funny.
I'm sure Mikey probably gave an opinion that was more of just him telling you you're wrong.
But hey Mikey you're wrong.
Zoolander stinks.
We haven't like we haven't reviewed that one.
That was just one on a recommendation that we posted.
But that one was like super popular because everyone's like what the hell did you just
say.
Easily my least favorite Ben Stiller role.
And I love Ben Stiller.
Yeah.
So like watching a movie where I just absolutely hated him was rough.
Yeah I wasn't a fan.
I agree.
The acting.
Yeah so Rose was pretty high on this one.
Rose was just high on this film.
Straight up like looking through all of his other scores.
So he gave acting a 90.
OK.
And I'm not I'm not quite that high.
Yeah I was thinking I'm at like an 84.
An 84 is actually pretty fair.
Because there was I don't think any of the kids crushed their performances.
They were kids at a camp.
It was fine.
Yeah I think like the kids looked like they were having a good time with this movie.
Yeah it was fun.
Yeah so I might actually be on the same page as you.
I'll give this an 84.
Let's get it.
All right.
Next up we got character development which of course there was none of so little very
little.
Like 30 seconds of it.
Stanley didn't learn anything.
Stanley learned zero.
The most development that happened in the film was that their family is no longer cursed.
Like the spectral realm developed around them.
They did not develop as people.
Kissing Kate Barlow she reverse developed she turned into a murderous outlaw.
Which I mean in terms of development like even though it's like a downward arc it's
still an arc.
So I mean you're seeing her at her worst.
And so like seeing that dive you understand why she goes that far.
Which is more the reason to their acting being very good.
Oh yeah.
So I mean I freaking love that.
Zero learned how to read.
That's pretty good.
Yeah.
But I mean you're you're spot on.
There was like no development whatsoever.
This might be one of my lower categories.
Yeah.
Mr. Sir learned nothing.
Still is carrying a pistol with him.
You just had to leave that gun at the desk and you probably would have been fine.
You guys all probably would not have been arrested.
They probably wouldn't have taken control over.
You just had to not bring your gun with you.
Yeah.
Rose was was pretty nice.
I'm real interested to see or to hear where he thought there was development because he
gave this an 85.
I'm at like a 70.
I was thinking 72.
So like a 70 or 72.
I'm at 72.
72.
OK.
All right.
No no.
He developed the shoe stuff.
That was character development barely.
Yep.
All right.
Next up we got effects.
So with this it's like anything that was practical special effects.
It just kind of like encapsulates everything.
I'm going to go with that.
I'm going to do we take the times into consideration like it being oh three.
We usually like to take the times in the operation.
OK.
Because that is a big impact because we've done like some older movies with like like
older action movies with Ben where they like any special effect look like absolute garbage.
Yeah.
But for the times it was good.
So we try to take that into consideration.
So I mean I'm not too hard on this.
I'm trying to think of much else aside from the lizards that was like something bad.
But like the lizards was like the only thing that I felt was bad.
Yeah.
Same like everything else like the they went as practical as you could get with like the
rock climbing.
Yeah.
Hey this doesn't have anything to do with it.
What's up with those tortillas just soaked in maple syrup that they were like making
them grab by hand.
Is that a thing in any of the locations you did you see that?
Did you see that scene where they were like grab your breakfast.
It's a tortilla and a thing with maple syrup.
It was sopping wet and it pissed me off.
I have never once in my life seen anything like that.
OK.
And I come from a family that used to make peanut butter and jelly burritos.
That sounds banging.
There it's the shit.
That's really good.
So I used to I used to drive a bread truck once upon a time.
And we one of the things that we do is like if something was about to expire within like
a day or two we would have to take it off the shelves replace it with new stuff.
And my bakery just happened to make tortillas.
So I would like every once in a while I would pull perfectly good tortillas off the shelf
and keep them in my truck.
And then I bought like there was a one of the stores I delivered to had a tortilla warmer.
And so I found like I Jerry Ray one of those like presses like no it was like it was like
a foldable one.
Oh so it was like a it was like a blanket but it was like it kind of was like plastic.
And so it would it would heat up.
So I but it was like specifically to like keep tortillas warm.
And that thing got like really fricking hot.
So I I didn't have anyone else in my truck.
And so I built like a little table for my passenger seat and I put the little tortilla
warmer on there.
Jerry rigged it so I could plug it into the the of course cigarette lighter.
Yeah the cigarette lighter.
And I fricking like whenever I'd make a delivery I'd fricking unroll a tortilla drop some butter
on the middle go make my delivery come back out have a perfectly warm buttered tortilla
when I came out.
That's awesome.
Probably one of the more ghetto things I've done at work but it was the shit.
And I had an end with one of the guys that deliver like jelly.
And so I would I would trade him like your bar and you.
Yeah.
The jelly you have the tortillas you guys had a good system.
Do you think they just had to dig a fuck ton of holes because like I imagine those were
all just holes.
Dude I have no fricking clue how they did that.
Yeah because like I imagine it's it's way easier to just dig the holes than to make
the pretend.
Yeah.
They if they had to make the effect that looked incredible.
Yeah I got to imagine they just had the holes to bring out an excavator for the day just
cleared out shit.
So I'm trying to see is a.
Yeah what's Rose got for the effect.
Rose is pretty high on the Rose is pretty nice to this movie.
He should use that in eighty five.
OK.
That's right about where I was leaning.
I wasn't wow.
I wasn't blown away by it but I also wasn't aside from a couple of scenes with lizards
I thought all of it seemed look pretty good and no complaints.
I'm Googling if the holes were real.
The holes and holes actual holes.
That's a really hard question to ask because I got Green Lake is a real place in Texas.
OK.
Is it a lake.
But is Camp Green Lake real.
Was it.
It's the hole.
It's great.
That green.
The movie reminded me that Green Lake is a real place in Texas that has its own fascinating
legal history.
Oh God.
I just want to know if the holes were real.
I'm going to go with yes.
They had to be.
Yeah.
I can't imagine that they weren't.
Gosh this would have been like frickin an amazing thing to ask Cleo Thomas if he would
have came in when you guys were in those holes were they actual holes.
Yeah.
Like I figured the ones like that they were in their filming area were but like all the
ones surrounding the camp.
Yeah like in that shot where he had to like drive the water truck like that must have
been fun to shoot by the way.
Just going right into a pit.
That looked pretty good.
They had the whole water thing exploded.
I found a 19 things you don't know about the movie holes the movie.
The lizards in it are actual bearded dragons.
Frickin dumb.
Come on.
Share some of these facts.
Filmed holes primarily on the cutback dry lake and in Red Rock Canyon in the desert
west of Death Valley.
Not Texas not Texas.
All right.
We're going to send all of these prop people to Mikey and I'm going to ask him if he can
get some info.
Who's the credited prop master.
That's true if there's anyone to ask it's frickin Mikey or Cleo but I don't know if
he was like read my DM.
They have a bunch of tool people so I'm going to guess those are people who are straight
up just responsible for like handling an excavator and digging big ass holes.
That's my guess.
Dude if that's what they did that's impressive as hell.
Is that there was a lot of frickin holes.
But I also don't feel like like copy and pasting those.
Oh wait here we go here we go.
Visual effects.
There's a guy whose role was holes in lizard supervisor holes in the supervisor.
Yes gosh that sounds like a.
He's the lizard supervisor.
Yeah that's got to be him.
He's got to be the guy who's responsible for the holes in the lizards.
Dude I would have been bragging about that for years.
Like oh you know that movie holes.
I was the hole in lizard supervisor.
Do you think that's his role on any.
It's like snake bitch.
That was snake bitch before.
Snake bitch is actually the hole in lizard supervisor.
I got to find if this guy has any other holes in lizard supervisor credits on everything
that they did like it looked like I said other than the lizards looked fantastic.
The fake lizards.
Yeah I mean other like the fake lizards bring it down a little bit for me.
Not a whole ton just because of everything else like I have to also assume that the mountain
that they climbed was fake.
Yes it was because someone was someone's credited with like being God's thumb designer.
Yeah I wonder if they went like a miniature route with that.
Looks like it's his only.
He seems to be like an animation 3D animation director.
He's in white chicks.
Yeah most of his stuff is like visual animation and then he's the holes in lizard supervisor.
So maybe no if he's doing mostly like animation stuff and he's the director in charge of holes
maybe the holes are fake.
We might have to reach out to this guy.
We're gonna have to reach out to Tim Everett.
Tim Everett that dude that would be a good conversation too.
Hey Tim found you as the holes in lizard supervisor.
We're looking for some input.
Dude I'm looking at pictures from holes of like God's thumb.
They did if I mean shit if that's fake.
It obviously it had to be.
Yeah but I mean it looks really freaking good.
Yeah might have to be up to an 86 based on God's thumb.
You're up to an 86?
I'm in the same ballpark.
I might be a little bit lower.
I'll be 84 just to be different I guess.
And Rose is at an 85.
I'd like to hold an asterisk.
If Tim Everett gets back and says the holes are fake I'm going up to an 80.
We're gonna need to get Tim Everett on the line.
We're gonna need the lizard supervisor to get on the phone with us.
I will absolutely make a note of that.
Alright next up we got music.
Ten.
This is a hard soundtrack to be.
Freaking early 2000s Disney was some bangers.
No soundtrack has ever had a song quite like the detent boys.
And the rest of the songs too.
Low key were pretty fire.
There was one on in the beginning I was like ooh I should make something with this if we're
gonna go full holes.
Like they had keeping it real by Shaggy.
Yup I heard that.
They were like looking around at rocks and Shaggy was just on in the background.
It was giving me a good laugh.
Let's see Mighty Fine Blues by Eats.
Don't Give Up.
Eagle Eye Cherry.
Take Em On Down.
North Mississippi All Stars.
Like they had like a killer soundtrack.
And Dig It dude.
Like I've.
Dig It's absolute fire.
Yeah Dig It's the standout for me.
Like the rest of the soundtrack.
I was just watching it with my girlfriend and it came on right at the end and she's
like oh I didn't know it was actually in the movie.
I was like oh yeah.
It's a certified heater.
Yeah dude Disney freaking like kills it with movies that are specifically made for movies.
Like it's not very often where they like completely miss.
Yeah I agree.
I mean I'm going.
Let's see what else came out in 2003.
I'm going with a flat ten.
Well that's.
Just trying to look up at what movies came out in 2003.
What's trying to tell me that the music man came out in 2003.
Oh boy.
You want to hear a true all time heater soundtrack 2003 Disney movie.
Brother Bear.
Oh my gosh.
Brother Bear was the shit.
Phil Collins put his whole Phil Collins oocy into that one man.
Did Phil Collins do Brother Bear.
Oh yeah.
Dude that dude doesn't miss.
Tell everybody I'm on my way.
Oh he does.
New places to see.
What you're talking about Eddie's million dollar cook off was in 2003.
They were only put was Lilo and Stitch in 2003.
Oh my.
Stitch the movie was.
Stitch the movie.
Yeah.
Finding Nemo.
Curse of the Black Pearl was there.
Dude freaking oh that's Milo's Return.
Never mind.
I thought that was like the first Atlantis movie.
Oh I also saw it.
Freaky Friday.
Hard to beat.
Yeah.
Yeah early 2001 was was filled with some good good music like really freaking good music.
Lion King one and a half.
I don't think I'm quite at a 10.
I might be a little bit closer to where Rose is where Rose is at an eight.
That's also fair.
Yeah.
So are you going 10.
I'm going full 10.
It's been the intro to the podcast for five years.
I have to go 10.
So that.
72 million at the box office by the way we were wondering earlier.
It did what.
Did 72 million in the box office.
What was its budget.
20 million.
That's not bad.
Hell with that.
I'm pretty sure like 20 million and you may.
So that's a 50 50 million dollar profit you made off that movie.
That's damn good.
All right next up we got costumes.
Pretty good.
Yeah they they were pretty freaking solid.
If you have if your movie has people wanting to dress up for Halloween and like a group
outfit I think you nailed your movies costumes.
There's I get at least one text a year around Halloween time being like we should do holes.
It is 20 years later.
I think that alone said like it holds up.
Yeah.
I also I think they nailed the period pieces of it when they do it.
Oh yeah.
Do the.
Like everything that they did like with the like the outfits like they gave everyone like
kind of an iconic look like even the warden like I know that she had like different shirts
and whatnot but they it was all like the same kind of style is just like swapping out the
shirts Mr. Sir and Padan ski didn't change very often.
I mean all the the boys were in friggin orange jumpsuits but they all had their like iconic
look.
Yeah.
So I mean that's that's hard to beat.
Is this one out of 10 or 100.
Yeah.
So this is out of 10.
OK.
So I Rose gave this a nine.
I'm also going nine.
Yeah I'm like right there with with you guys.
All right.
Last up we got personal score.
So Rose ended up giving this one an eighty nine.
I'm gonna go I'm gonna go ninety two.
It just it was a good watch.
It was a good watch then it was a good watch.
Now it had its weird things but like overall top notch just that I think it's going to
be thrown in the like background noise rotation for a little bit.
Like I think I think it reminded me I was like oh this is this is good.
This is a fun movie.
Yeah it's a really fun movie.
It's not quite up there for me.
I'm probably going to be the the asshole with this one.
I'm putting it in eighty two but I it is a Disney Channel film.
I got it reasonable.
Yeah there's there's a lot of shit that's like that's that kind of gets real difficult
to overlook.
Oh yeah.
But I mean overall it is still a really good time.
I definitely see myself coming back to this and rewatching it somewhere down the line
when I want to be nostalgic.
Yeah.
But yeah I'm going to give this an eighty two.
I'm tired of digging grandpa.
All right well that wraps up this week's breakdown.
So going through each of the scores individually starting off with story.
We are sitting at an eighty point six seven is what we averaged out to.
Writing had a significant bump sitting at an eighty seven.
Acting was down just a point sitting at an eighty six.
Character development was our lowest category.
That's sitting at a seventy five point six seven.
Yep.
The effects we ended up giving an eighty five.
Critic ended up averaging out to a nine.
And then our costumes completely unanimous sitting at a nine there.
And then our personal score ended up averaging out to an eighty seven point six seven.
Pretty good.
So with that the final all bros and plunge letter grade four holes has come out to a
a B.
All right.
And let's see what's the cut I think it's a perfectly B movie.
It's like right in the middle.
So our cut off for B is eighty three.
Yeah.
Our B plus cut off is eighty six and it is sitting at an eighty five point two five.
Yeah.
I think that's right where it belongs.
Yeah like that's.
Yeah like couldn't have frickin score that better if we tried.
So yeah like it.
So like I said it is sitting at a B. So compared to all of our other B movies.
This is where we get people.
All right.
Just needed to find it real quick.
So like I said so this this is comparing to all of the other B movies that we have scored.
Yep.
So starting off with what it's below it is below the unbearable weight of massive talent.
Okay.
Which feels appropriate since your brother.
Yeah.
My brother worked on that one.
So I got a I got a I got to respect that one.
So that one is so holes is at an eighty five point two five unbearable weight is at an
eighty five point three seven.
Okay.
It is below Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone which is at an eighty five point four
three.
What a ridiculous.
It's below Cruella which is at an eighty five point five six.
I haven't seen that one so I won't let that one hurt my feelings.
It is below the twenty twenty one version of Candyman which is at an eighty five point
five six.
And then it is below onward which is at an eighty five point six seven.
I loved onward.
So that.
Yeah.
So I have to get like a full percentage away going up.
Well to get a full percentage you're in the B plus range.
All right.
Go on what it's above.
Interesting.
It is it ended up above the Lion King.
Oh no.
The remake the remake.
Okay.
All right.
The live action line thing.
It is above Hocus Pocus.
Good.
Which is at an eighty five.
Correct.
Let's see.
Ended up above Megan which is at an eighty four point eight one.
Okay.
It's above the Matrix Resurrections which is at an eighty four point seven.
And then it is above Christopher Robin which is an eighty four point five six.
Yeah.
And so getting a full percentage away from that.
So it's 10 10 movies down before you're a full percentage away.
And so it's like holes.
And then if you go full percentage it's solo.
A Star Wars story.
All right.
That sounds accurate now.
That that that's perfect.
That's there's some ground between that and solo.
Yeah there's a lot we know that man.
I think we nailed it too.
There I.
I have like mixed feelings about like the percentages like the ratings themselves like a lot of.
It's the rankings that freaking kill people.
Yeah.
That are just like what like that's bullshit.
And then like once we start comparing.
Once you start comparing them to other things people get mad.
Yeah.
Because I mean there's some that I feel like some people would be upset about like the
list going through like there's Age of Ultron.
It's above.
It's above Sonic the Hedgehog.
It's above James Gunn's Suicide Squad.
I feel like there's some that people would be pissed off about.
Good.
If you're here because you were hating.
Hey.
You're still here.
We're two hours in.
You're still listening hater.
Yeah.
So I dig where this is at.
So I think I think we nailed it.
It's a perfect perfect rating.
Yeah.
So yeah that wraps up this this week's breakdown.
Big thank you to Riley for joining me on this episode.
Really appreciate you coming on and talking about holes.
It's been a pleasure.
I'd love to do it again when when they make small steps the movie finally I'll be here.
It's been a lot of fun.
It's been a long time coming.
Absolutely.
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All right.
And so next week we will be breaking down the newest live action remake of that.
It's coming from the Disney family.
The Little Mermaid.
So we'll see how that goes.
Have fun with that one.
We will we will do our best.
That movie is already gaining some hate.
So during the so the NBA is in the playoffs right now and during game three of the it's
in the second to last round of the champ like for the championship and one of the games
on YouTube TV.
If you are a YouTube TV user it went to commercial break in the fourth quarter and then it got
caught on a loop for the Little Mermaid ad and then it just never went back to the TV.
So people were trying to watch the end of this playoff game and they got a 40 minute
loop of just the Little Mermaid ad and I had a couple of friends being like if I see Melissa
McCarthy's face I'm going to punch her in square in the face right now.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
Shout out the Little Mermaid in YouTube TV.
It's already created a bad stigma.
Oh boy.
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