What's up bros, I'm Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
We are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out
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Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the podcast we have one thing to talk about with 4K Spotlight.
Unfortunately we got nothing for Through the Wall, so after that we'll be moving on to
our headliner of the evening, which will be our breakdown of the Disney Plus film Peter,
Pan, and Wendy.
So Caleb, what do you say we get started?
I say let's do it.
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Alright, jumping into 4K Spotlight.
We only got one movie coming out and that is Knock at the Cabin, the new M. Night Shyamalan
movie, which neither Caleb or I have seen, but I do eventually want to check it out and
honestly I might do a blind buy on this one because the steelbook is so freaking cool.
So yeah, not only is it getting just a regular 4K release and a blur release, but it is also
getting a Best Buy exclusive steelbook, which like I said is really freaking cool and I
really want it.
I'm just blind buy this thing, we'll see.
It looks super good.
Right?
So cool.
It's definitely like taking a different look at what we know about Dave Bautista because
all I've ever seen him in is like action roles or comedy.
Yeah, same here.
So this is kind of taking him and putting him in more of a dramatic light and that kind
of makes me really excited to see what he has to offer in terms of dramatic acting.
Yeah.
I didn't hear anything super negative about this movie either.
No, I didn't either.
Like I'm curious what's sitting at it right now to me.
I think it's one of those M. Night Shyamalan movies that just kind of slides under the
radar because it's like the same thing with Old.
Like I didn't really hear anything like negative or positive about the movie.
It was just kind of like it slid super fast under the radar and when we ended up watching
it, it was really freaking good.
Yeah.
So on Rotten Tomatoes, it's sitting at a 67% right now.
67.
Yeah.
Audience score is 63.
I'm looking up real quick.
Okay.
So what did you say it was sitting at?
So 60?
67.
67?
So the critics score for it is better than Old.
Okay.
And then what was the other one?
Audience score is 63.
Yeah, and then the audience score was 53 for Old.
Okay.
So sounds like this one's better.
Yeah, sounds like.
Which, I mean, we really liked Old.
Yeah.
So hopefully we'll see.
Yeah.
Do you remember off the top of your head what we ended up giving Old?
No.
Not at all.
I mean, not bad.
We gave it a C+.
Okay, that's not bad.
That was a lot better than the critics gave it.
Yeah.
Well, I feel like that's more earned.
Like I feel like critics are just super harsh on M. Night Shyamalan in general.
This is true.
This is very true.
Yeah, I think 77 is a much like more accurate score than frigging Rotten Tomato critics.
Yeah, can I just say how bullshit it is that the Super Mario Bros movie is still Rotten?
It's at a 59%.
Dude, like we've said on multiple occasions, Rotten Tomato doesn't mean dick all.
Seriously, dude.
They are so biased.
Like they can freaking get their reviews bought out, I feel.
Yeah, like and then every like it feels like all the critics jump on like a hate bandwagon.
That is true.
I have to say it is so freaking aggravating.
It is.
So I mean, I'm not I'm not going to prejudge it anyway before.
Like just based off of the only M. Night Shyamalan movie that I've like, absolutely hated was
the Last Airbender.
Other than that, his movies have been pretty consistent in quality.
Yeah, fair enough.
So I think it's just people hating on him or just freaking bullshit behind the scenes.
So don't worry.
Like if we end up rating it, we'll give it the score it deserves.
So don't you worry about that.
Very confident.
I know.
Is that like is that too cocky?
I wouldn't say too cocky, maybe for you.
But it just like, well, OK, I don't know.
Just kind of caught me off guard.
You saying it just like, oh, don't worry, we'll give it the score that it deserves.
I'm like, OK, I'm some some big words come from Caleb.
Well it's true, dude.
All the other frickin critics suck ass.
True.
This is very true.
Like they either like hold their like they hold a bias like that's like exactly why we
created this is because individual parts of the movie can be better than others.
So I think they just they like if they were rating ours, they're just filling out the
personal score and calling it a day.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think they take the time to break down each individual section of of
a movie.
And it's it's a damn shame.
It is.
I absolutely agree.
So don't worry.
Well, well, we'll make sure you guys have like the proper ratings for for movies from now
on.
We got I mean, not not like we haven't been doing it for the past 270 weeks.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's got a point there.
I would do this full time if I could.
But it's same.
I mean, I got I got shit to do.
Yeah, same here.
We got bills to pay.
Unfortunately, one of these days, this is going to pay all of our bills.
Dude, that's the dream.
Amazing.
Dude, that is all serious.
We're going to pay our bills, that would be the shit that really would.
That is the dream.
And we are manifesting that right now.
Yes, we are.
The Albrows will pay for both of our bills.
Rose is going to come live with me in Georgia.
We are going to do nothing but go to the movies all the time.
And we are going to show those Rotten Tomatoes people what for and how for.
Oh, I love it.
Well I feel that's like a great inch, what's the word, not prelude.
Would it be prelude into the headliner?
I mean, I guess so.
Okay, yeah, I guess.
I feel it's a good prelude into the headliner with us talking about how our scoring is way
better than Rotten Tomatoes.
Hell yeah, it's way better.
So Caleb, what do you say we jump into our headliner?
I would love to.
Alright so for this week, for our headliner, we will be breaking down the Disney Plus Original
Film, Peter Pan and Wendy.
Caleb, do you want to let everyone know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final Albrows letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get put in our algorithm and spit out a letter grade for us to compare
to movies of a similar grade, as well as a percentage that isn't quite as important,
but it is fun for us to see where it ranks within our system.
So with that, if you have not seen Peter Pan and Wendy, it is available on Disney Plus
today.
I think we're going to have mixed feelings on whether or not you should go see it.
Just from the little chat that we had before we started recording.
So this is going to be an interesting one and I'm super pumped for it.
So yeah, if you have not seen it, Rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you.
So yeah, without further ado, everyone's favorite segment, Reading with Rose.
I need a little theme song for that.
Like a, do do do do.
Yes.
I'll make one.
I love this idea.
All right.
In Ed, wow, Edwardian.
I'm going to assume that's how you say it.
In Edwardian London, Wendy Darling spends her last night at home with her parents, George
and Mary and her two younger brothers, John and Michael, before going to boarding school
the next day.
Wendy is unhappy with her departure and tells her mother that she does not want to grow
up.
Later that night, Peter Pan appears in the Darling's nursery, having heard of Wendy's
wish.
He claims that he has come to take her to Neverland where she will never have to grow
up.
With the help of Peter's companion and friend, Fairy Tinkerbell, Wendy, John and Michael all
fly to Neverland.
Upon arriving, they are attacked by a ship of pirates led by Captain Hook, who wants
revenge on Peter for cutting off his right hand and throwing it to a crocodile.
Hook and his first mate, Mr. Schmee, shoot at them with a cannon, causing them to fall
from the sky and Wendy becomes separated from Peter and her brothers.
She later meets Tiger Lily and the Lost Boys and witnesses the pirates capturing John and
Michael.
Hook and his crew take them to Skull Rock and chain them to a rock to drown by the rising
tide.
Peter fights with the captain while Wendy, Tiger Lily and the Lost Boys save John and
Michael.
Hook and the pirates are eventually chased away by a tick-tock the crocodile.
Peter is proud of his victory but Wendy scolds him for being reckless and the Lost Boys tell
her that he has a complicated history with Captain Hook.
Retreating to Peter's hideout, Wendy sings a lullaby to the Lost Boys which accidentally
reveals their location to the pirates.
Wendy learns from Peter that Captain Hook was once his best friend, known as James,
until he left Neverland and grew up to be a pirate.
Hook's crew captures the Lost Boys and the Darling Children while the captain attacks
Peter which results in him seemingly falling to his death.
Hook reveals to Wendy the reason he left Neverland was because he missed his mother and wanted
to find her.
Eventually he got lost to sea and was rescued by Smee and the pirates who raised him.
When he returned to Neverland, Peter could not accept how much he had changed and the
two became enemies.
While Tiger Lily finds Peter and nurses him back to health, Hook forces Wendy to walk
the plank but she flies away at the last minute with Tinkerbell's pixie dust and the happy
thought of wanting to grow up.
Tinkerbell then spreads pixie dust across the ship to lift it into the air allowing
the Lost Boys to break free and battle the pirates.
Peter arrives to confront Hook and after a long duel he finally apologizes to him for
being a bad friend.
When Wendy turns the ship on its back which causes the pirates to fall off, Peter attempts
to save Hook encouraging him to fly but without happy thoughts he falls into the sea.
Once the Lost Boys decide they all want a real home so they fly back to London on the
ship with Wendy, John, and Michael.
Arriving at home Wendy introduces the Lost Boys to her parents then talks to Peter on
the roof of their house.
Peter reveals the Darling's house was his old home until one day he ran away and never
came back.
Wendy suggests him to stay saying that growing up could be his greatest adventure but Peter
feels he isn't ready.
He bids farewell to Wendy and the Lost Boys and returns to Neverland with Tinkerbell.
Back in Neverland Hook and Smee are both revealed to have survived the fall.
Hook looks up at the sky and sees Peter returning on the ship causing him to smile happily.
With the Lost Boys at the end so do the Darlings just automatically have to adopt them?
I don't think they straight up adopt them.
I thought they were going to fly around and drop all the Lost Boys off with their parents.
That would have made a lot more sense.
No, instead they just get dropped at the Darlings doorstep.
Pretty much.
Yeah, that ended up being real funky.
Who knows how long they've been gone though too, right?
Yeah, exactly.
So I mean, ugh.
That's an odd one.
Definitely an odd ending.
So I don't know how I feel about that ending.
Okay, I'll say this.
Just right off the bat, I have never cared for Peter Pan in my life.
Whoa.
What?
You don't like the original Disney film, do you?
I do not.
My favorite Peter Pan adaptation has always been Peter Pan 2 Return to Neverland.
Actually that's not true.
That's not true.
My favorite adaptation has been Hook.
I like that one.
I like Hook too.
Don't get me wrong, but Peter Pan will always be my favorite one.
Maybe that's why we're so different on this movie.
I mean, that's fair.
Interesting.
Very interesting.
Speaking of real quick, I completely forgot to bring it up.
We did post a question of the week that we're going to bring up right now.
Oh yes.
So we asked the question, and it was just more of a poll than anything, like Team Pan
or Team Hook?
And bro...
Oh god.
I think Team Hook took it by a landslide.
Damn, what people got against Peter Pan?
Peter Pan sucks.
That's what.
He sucked in this movie.
He didn't suck in the original.
Dude.
Don't get me started with Peter Pan in this movie.
Dude, one of my favorite things that I've ever seen done to Peter Pan the character
is from Once Upon a Time, the TV show, they turned Pan into a villain.
Okay, that is intriguing.
I like that.
Yeah, right?
So looking into...
Let's see.
Oh balls, I can't see.
All right.
So on Instagram, we had Team Pan is sitting at a 23% where Team Hook is sitting at 77%.
God damn people.
Like seriously, what the hell you got against Peter Pan?
Peter Pan as a character?
It sucks ass.
You know what?
Y'all suck ass.
I'm just kidding.
We did get a couple of responses though.
So the first one...
Apologies to anyone that voted on the question that I can't see who voted.
So sorry.
But anyway, the first response we got is from Mikey from Failing Hollywood.
He said, Hook is an all time classic.
They aren't even close.
I mean, Robin Williams, also I'm not in unless I see Rufio.
I think I might have...
Because I put Team Pan and Team Hook.
Oh shit, because yeah, there is a movie called just Pan, isn't there?
Yeah, I just had that movie.
Oh shit, oops.
Whoopsie.
So taking that into account, that makes sense even more.
I mean, if we're doing that, then yeah, I'll definitely give Hook that because I never
even bothered with that movie Pan and didn't really even look that good in my opinion.
Let's see.
Yeah.
So the next one we got is from Bryce Steven Durham who said, objectively, it's not a good
film.
However, personally, it's my favorite adaptation of Peter Pan.
Now if we're talking classic Peter Pan story, and that's like, I'm not counting Hook in
that because Hook is just kind of an alternate take on the character.
If we're talking classic Peter Pan story, I will agree with that.
This is my favorite adaptation of Peter Pan.
Fair.
But my favorite Peter Pan related movie is Hook.
And then moving on over to TikTok where we posted this, we got a bunch of suggestions
but we did get a couple.
One person just said Hook and that's Nick at Walmart underscore Nedgy.
Interesting.
Then we got this one.
Kabola at 9 Birdman 8 says, I saw it.
They missed two key parts and sort of woked it, but it's still a 9 out of 10.
And then we got a response from David Munoz who says, who's going to watch it though?
Unfortunately us.
I mean, I didn't hate it nearly as much as you did.
I told Caleb that if reviewing this, I probably would have turned it off halfway through.
Dude, that's fricking rough.
Yeah, dude, I got really fricking bored.
Alright, and then the poll on TikTok wasn't much better.
Team Pan is at 33% and Team Hook was at 67%.
And that's with 83 votes.
So I cannot go through 83 names.
So I'm very sorry for that.
But I did appreciate, we both appreciate everyone's responses to our videos.
So thank you.
Thank you very much.
Getting back into this breakdown though.
Starting off with the story.
Like I said, this is my, I've always found the story of Peter Pan to be very bland.
And I think that they were able to incorporate a lot of elements that fixed that for me.
But I know you disagree with me, Rose.
That I do.
Yeah, I never found Peter Pan at all bland.
It's honestly up there for Disney movies for me.
And my biggest problem with this movie is that it doesn't treat Neverland how it should
be because it feels like they never go to fricking Neverland.
Like literally they say, oh yeah, we're in Neverland.
No, it just seems like they're at like a fricking cliffside somewhere.
And then in comes Captain Hook and all of his pirates.
And it just goes from there.
It never to me feels like we're in Neverland.
You know what?
I can give you that.
Oh, okay.
Neverland is supposed to feel like a magical world, I feel.
Absolutely agree.
I think it's supposed to have like, what, the mermaids?
It's supposed to have like the fairy, like it's supposed to have mystical elements about
it.
But like you said, it just kind of felt like a cliffside.
Like did you guys actually travel to a different world or?
No, seriously, it seemed like we were stuck at the area before you get to the entrance
of Neverland.
That's where I felt that we were.
Just a hair.
I think the closest they got to making us feel like that magical realm-ness was the
hideout.
Yeah, I can definitely agree with you on that one.
Yeah, Peter's hideout.
Yeah, other than that, I mean, they did kind of a piss poor job at making us feel like
Neverland was super magical or anything.
So it was odd.
There were some things that I liked.
Again, this was, this being said, I did not care for Peter Pan at all.
Dude, same.
Like I, yeah, oh dude, I could give two shits about Peter Pan.
Wendy though, I actually really liked where they took her character in this.
That was actually decent.
I did too.
She was so cool.
That was actually pretty good.
Yeah, I liked her whole situation with Tiger Lily.
Tiger Lily was super cool too.
Yeah, Tiger Lily was actually, Tiger Lily was one of my favorite parts.
Or I guess one of the better parts for me.
Like, and like it's been a hot minute since I've seen Peter Pan.
And I know in that, in the original, Wendy's kind of going through the same thing that
she doesn't want to grow up.
She wants to stay a kid.
But I feel in this one with her having to go to boarding school, all that kind of stuff,
we've seen that before.
Like hell, even in Christopher Robin, that's what happens to him.
And that's why he has to leave the Hundred Acre Wood.
But I feel the direction that they take this one with Wendy's character and her explaining
why she doesn't want to grow up and that she comes to the realization that maybe it isn't
actually a bad thing.
I feel it's actually really good.
I feel it really adds to her character.
If anything, it might actually add a little more than the original, which might be one
of the only positives that I could say about this movie.
God, I'm such a dick to this movie right now.
No, dude, I completely understand.
And I don't disagree with you.
I've like in the original, I found Wendy to be a very bland.
She's also like, don't get me wrong, she's like, she is kind of whiny in this one, but
not as much.
Not nearly as much.
Like in the original, she is so freaking whiny.
I will absolutely admit that.
And this one, she's not, which I will absolutely take.
I think my main issue, and I think this is more of a writing situation, but I'll bring
it up now, but I think she didn't quite have the proper events happen to her.
It felt like this almost happened within the span of one day, where I feel like the original
Peter Pan felt like it took a lot longer.
And so it was almost like immediately as soon as she got to Neverland that she was on team
like, oh, I need to grow up.
But I think she needed a little bit more of a push to be like, yeah, we need to, there
needs to be growth.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can definitely agree with that.
Yeah.
So I mean, like I said, that's more of a writing issue and I'll dock that appropriately.
But I was not invested in Peter Pan's story whatsoever.
I wasn't either.
And honestly, I wasn't even that invested in Captain Hooks either.
That is freaking horse shit, dude.
I will die on this hill.
This is Jesus.
I know, dude.
This is where Captain Hook in this is more interesting than he has ever been.
Even in Hook.
Shit, I'll say it.
Even in Hook.
Damn.
Okay.
I loved Captain Hook in this.
And listen, don't get me wrong.
The Captain Hook in Hook was really good.
But again, it was just kind of like a bad guy just to be a bad guy.
I love that they gave Captain Hook a reason to hate Peter Pan in this and not just some
bullshit like, oh, you little rascal.
See, I'm okay with that.
Not every single villain has to have a reason why they hate the protagonist.
I don't need a reason why Captain Hook hates Peter Pan.
It's just how it's written.
I am fine with the simplicity.
So the fact that they set it up to where, oh, they came to Neverland together and then
Pan, not Pan, I'm sorry, Hook actually missed his mom so he wanted to go back to the real
world but he wasn't able to.
So when he came back to Peter, he's just like, oh no, you're too grown up.
I can't deal with you.
And so he goes and finds me and becomes a pirate.
I appreciate the, in a way, I appreciate what they're trying to do.
But for me, I'm honestly okay with when it comes to simplicity of why a certain antagonist
hates a protagonist.
And that's how I feel with Peter Pan and Captain Hook.
I don't need to know their history.
I don't need to know why they hate each other.
In this movie, it made sense and I will say it worked to an extent for me but I feel it
probably didn't work as much as it did for you.
Or sorry, it didn't work as much for me as it did for you.
I think for me the reason it worked so well, like if you're going to make another cartoon,
like absolutely, like have a bad guy just be a bad guy.
But I think for a live action adaptation, you can't just have a bad guy be a bad guy.
Like I don't, it doesn't really work unless it's a comedy, which this wasn't.
This was more like had a dramatic tone to it.
I think it worked better in its favor having that backstory between them because I think
where cartoons or just animated features are good at getting that like that cartoony action
and just like that funny like the Captain Hook typical like getting thrown around by
or running away or running on water from the damn crocodile or just different shit like
that.
I think that stuff works better in cartoons and I think that was something that I, it
was very noticeable where they were like trying to escape from the crocodile where he was
like it felt like they were trying to go a cartoony route and it just wasn't working.
And so they took a more dramatic route with the story of Captain Hook and giving like
kind of the backstory behind their distaste for each other that I feel worked really elegantly.
Let me see where you're coming from.
I get that.
It's like each, each rendition has its own deal and I think the, the cartoons, like yes,
you can have a more simplistic villain and more comedic bits, but when it comes to live
action you kind of have to have a little bit more substance to it.
And I don't know, I think I just dug what they did with Hook.
I think making him someone that was a lost boy was fantastic and then obviously he grew
up making Shmi his parental figure was a great addition.
Like I kind of dug all of that.
Like I dug what they did with the story of that.
I don't know.
And then I'll say this, like what would have been a really interesting story aspect would
have been Tinkerbell and like-
Yeah what the hell, Tinkerbell was so wasted in this movie.
She was.
But I do think that they did the best that they could.
Yeah, it just sucks.
I love the actress that they picked to play her.
She was great.
Oh yeah.
She was amazing, but it almost makes me wonder though if she had anything to work off of.
Because it did kind of feel like she was just trying, like it felt like she was acting by
herself.
Yeah, no that's true dude.
So some of her movements or some of her reactions felt very odd, or just not like, it was just
awkward.
Yeah.
And so that almost makes me think like, like I said, that she had nothing to work off of
that maybe she was just on a freaking green screen, which wouldn't have surprised me in
the slightest.
Same here.
But yeah, I kind of really don't know if this was like, if this was like true or if maybe
I'm just, this was something that was implied that I took from it or what the case was.
But how she tells Wendy like, oh thank you for hearing me, whether or not Peter was actually
like saying whatever it was that Tink was trying to say.
Like the way that that line came off made me think that, oh did Peter Pan just like
lie about whatever the hell he thought Tink was saying?
Another reason to like Peter in this movie.
Yeah, like that's my big issue.
Peter Pan's a freaking dick.
Yeah.
He was not like this in the original.
Or at least he wasn't this much of a dick.
Dude he was a freaking asshole in the original.
Okay but not in that, not this much.
He was still likeable.
In the original?
Yeah.
Barely.
Dude, I, again this is just me.
I did not care for Peter Pan at all.
Wow.
I've never cared for Peter Pan.
Like I've cared for like other, like Peter Pan is not, for me is not the, other than
how, this is freaking hilarious.
The only time I've liked Peter Pan is when he was in Hook.
Oh my god.
I mean you know what?
Understandable.
He's played by Robin Williams.
I get it.
Yeah.
Other than that, like any other like Peter Pan movie, I'm always rooting for Hook.
That's hilarious.
Like every other adaptation I'm just like gosh he freaking sucks.
And then like there's some where he's just like that, what was it, 2003 or whatever Pan
was.
Right, he was just that straight up pretty boy.
Like he was so annoying.
I will say this though, that whatever pretty boy Pan was, that did have a pretty bitching
score.
Touche.
But that is not what we're talking about here.
So the story's hard because it's like they added like newer elements.
I think it has like its own entity.
I think this movie's like really well done.
Like story wise.
I think they did really well at focusing on Wendy and not trying, not like kicking her
to the curb and just like maintaining that focus on her and giving us something that
was interesting where she was trying to find out what had happened between Peter and Hook.
So I dug it a lot.
And I know you probably like highly disagree with me.
Not highly.
So what, where are you sitting at story wise?
Story wise, I'd probably say like a seven.
I'll sit at a 75.
That's not bad.
I mean that is our like middle of the road average upon average score.
So I mean I'm not too much higher.
Well I am higher.
I think I'm sitting more like an 85 though.
Alright.
Actually I won't even go that high.
I'll say 81.
Like I really like this story but for me it was like slightly above average.
So yeah I'll go 81 there.
What about the writing?
For the most part I feel it was decent.
The writing for Captain Hook was really good.
Writing for Wendy was especially really good.
I really liked the writing for Wendy.
I'm very curious on what you thought of the writing for the Lost Boys.
What did you think?
Probably as generic as generic could get.
Yeah like don't get me wrong.
Like I am fine with the idea of like you know there being like girls in the Lost Boys.
That's awesome.
I love that idea.
But the fact that they'd have to point it out.
Like they're just like wait I thought it was the Lost Boys.
Oh girls can't be part of it.
I'm like you don't have to.
I don't feel you really need to point it out.
Yeah you don't need to make this movie all freaking woke.
Yeah exactly.
Like hmmm.
But that's Disney nowadays.
Like come on.
True that.
It's getting out of hand.
Very much so.
But let's not talk about that.
Let's move past that.
The writing for Peter Pan.
I can't decide if it's the writing that sucked or if it was the actor.
What are your takes on it?
A little bit of both.
Okay cool.
I'm gonna go the same way.
Like honestly if I'm being honest here I would have just called this movie Wendy.
Because Peter Pan like honestly he doesn't get a lot to do.
And the fact that like at the ending when he decides oh you know what I'm not ready
to grow up and go back to Neverland.
I honestly was just like you know what this is freaking bullshit.
You set it up to where to me it felt like they set it up to that he was going to stay
with Wendy.
That Peter Pan was going to grow up.
And honestly if they would have done that I would have been like you know what you are
so freaking ballsy movie.
I appreciate that.
That is actually a very interesting way to end a Peter Pan storyline.
That Peter Pan actually grows up.
You would have some major points for me for that.
But no they're just like oh no Peter Pan can't grow up.
He's not ready to grow up.
So of course he goes back to Neverland and you know him and Hook face off once again.
So okay so I understand where you're coming from with that.
My justification behind that is Peter Pan and Hook came to Neverland about the same
time.
I thought they came together.
I thought it was the same time.
Okay so yeah so if it was at the same time but Hook went back to the real world or went
basically went outside of the magical bubble of not aging and was like lost and then he
grew up came back and was just on a freaking rager to kill or to basically like ruin Peter's
life.
And I think with that Peter had come back and he pointed out that he had left that whole
like situation a long time ago.
Like by this time his parents are like long freaking gone.
I don't know if that's true about the other Lost Boys.
Who freaking knows?
But I feel like that can be said with confidence about Peter Pan and his family right?
Yeah good point.
So I think he understands that and then like it was the chat with Hook at the top of the
ship or the bottom however you want to look at it where Hook was pointing out like you
can't kill me without me you have nothing.
But it's the same like it's kind of like the Batman situation.
Like Batman and Joker.
It's just with it like what would you do without me?
And it's like vice versa.
I couldn't be me without you and you couldn't be you without me.
There is no Peter Pan without Hook.
There is no Hook without Peter Pan.
And so I think his decision to travel back to Neverland was more like I viewed that more
as like a loving act to a former friend.
And again I might be like this might be like a stretch among all stretches but this is
just where I was coming from with it.
Because it's just like you see him like you see the ship coming into like into Neverland
or flying above and you just see Hook crack a smile.
Like he kind of has like an irritated look and then he cracks a smile and that made me
think like okay so he knows.
Like they both know what this relationship is.
Yeah.
Like this is a Batman and Joker situation.
Damn when you put it like that.
You bitch.
Dude I will say this though about that like that final shot.
They spent way too long with Wendy carving her name into the frickin chimney.
Yeah that's fair.
I just say okay this is cool and it just kind of kept going.
I'm like okay and then just kept going.
Different angle kept going.
I'm like son of a bitch just frickin.
We get it.
Like we know what she's doing you assholes.
Like you could have shaved a solid minute off this movie.
Dude straight up.
But I mean the I don't know the dialogue like you said that the Lost Boy dialogue was kind
of trash.
The Peter Pan dialogue was a little meh.
Honestly I feel the only like decent like well written writing was for Wendy and Hook.
Oh yeah those two were the standout.
Even John and Michael didn't really I mean they didn't really get that much to do in
the original.
Yeah I mean if anyone got pushed to the frickin curb it was them.
Yeah so it was if anything it might have gotten more to do in this one.
Oh yeah don't disagree.
So where are you sitting with the writing?
Just because of how well I feel Hook and Wendy were written I'm a little higher than Story
so I'll be at like a 77.
Yeah I'm actually I think it was a little bit lower than my writing.
So I'm probably like a 79.
Alright moving on over to acting we have Alexander Maloney who played Peter Pan.
Ever Anderson who played Wendy Darling.
Jude Law who played Captain Hook.
Alyssa Wappantock who played Tiger Lily.
Jim Gaffigan who played Shmi.
Joshua Pickering who played John Darling.
Jacoby Joop who plays Michael Darling.
Molly Parker as Mrs. Darling and Alan Tudyk as Mr. Darling.
Oh and then Yara Shahidi who played Tinkerbell.
So who what's your top three look like?
So I'm gonna be I don't know how but I had no idea that was Jude Law playing Hook.
No idea.
You didn't?
No I didn't and I have no idea how.
Like honestly up until we I looked up the cast I'm like no freaking way that that was
Jude Law.
I had no idea.
So I mean I guess that shows like how good of a performance he did.
That looked exactly like him.
I don't know what it was.
It just I thought it was completely different.
I don't know what it was.
Alright.
Yeah.
So okay let's see top three.
Hmm.
Like I know my top two but I just don't know who to give.
I just gotta bring this up real quick.
Yeah.
Just cuz I don't think he's gonna end up in either of our top threes.
What a waste of Alan Tudyk.
Dude.
Straight up.
There were some freaking shenanigans going on in that movie.
That was bullshit.
Yeah agreed.
Okay.
That's all I had to say about that.
Number three I would give to Jim Gaffigan who played Smee.
Smee was always my favorite character from the original Peter Pan.
I loved Bob Hoskins as him and Hook and Jim Gaffigan did not disappoint playing Smee in
this one.
I love that he really takes over like the father figure for Hook and especially when
he's going over the rules of the ship to Michael and John.
That whole scene.
Freaking hilarious.
So yeah number three I'm gonna give to Jim Gaffigan.
Number two I would give to Ever Anderson who played Wendy.
She was fantastic.
Absolutely loved her.
Like I said it feels more of like a Wendy movie than a Peter Pan and Wendy movie.
So like honestly you could just take Peter Pan out of the title.
I know they needed to have that.
But I just wish that Peter Pan was not only better written but I wish that I wish that
I'm not trying to sound like a dick but I wish that there was maybe a better person
cast as Peter Pan than Alagher Maloney.
But I am gonna put more of the blame on the writer.
But his acting wasn't the greatest.
But hers was fantastic.
Ever was she was great as Wendy.
And so number one got a gift to Jude Law as Captain Hook.
Like I said I didn't even know this was Jude Law.
I don't know how that happened.
But I guess that just shows how good of an actor Jude Law is.
Because yeah his character development was super good.
He was very I guess cunning I guess I would say the word.
He was intimidating when he needed to be.
Just all around great performance.
So yeah that was my top three.
I don't even I don't know if Peter Pan cracked my top three at all.
I think I'm gonna go mine so what he didn't crack mine.
So yeah I think I'm definitely I'm gonna work my way down.
I'm giving Jude Law my number one.
Freaking loved his performance.
I loved what he added to the character of Captain Hook.
Like it just it kind of adds a new like dynamic to him.
And I love I love when movies are able to do that.
My number two I'm going to give to Ever Anderson who played Wendy.
I think she did a fantastic job of portraying Wendy.
I've always found Wendy to be a super bland character.
And she was able to add a little bit of life into into Wendy.
So loved her.
And then I think I'm giving my number three to Tiger Lily.
Good choice.
Yeah I thought she was so freaking cool.
I honestly thought that she I thought that they were going to reveal that Tiger Lily
and Peter Pan were siblings.
That's what I thought too.
Yeah but obviously that's not true which is freaking bullshit.
So I didn't care for that like when she called him freaking little brother I'm just like
are you shh like what?
Okay this is wild.
Like that's I'll say this that's why I thought freaking Peter Pan left.
But then like or why he was going to leave.
Like I knew I figured he would take the Lost Boys back and then he was going to bounce
and then go back to the tribe.
And I thought that was going to be freaking sick.
But obviously that's not the route they went.
They went with like oh this used to be my home.
What?
Yeah.
And like they took a completely different direction.
I feel like they could have had some freaking balls and done a complete rewrite and made
Peter Pan one of the Indians.
I think that would have been so cool.
Yeah like how interesting would that have been?
It just kind of adds like the Tiger Lily's helping Peter Pan out.
Like that's why she helps him out.
That's why she doesn't feel like that hideout is her home.
Like all that shit.
Like missed opportunities.
So yeah that's what my top three looks like.
I like it.
What are you rating acting at?
Just because like my top three like I feel were so good along with Tiger Lily.
It definitely offset how not so great Peter Pan was.
So I'm going to go an 80.
I might actually be like right where you're at there.
Oh yeah.
Yeah I think like you said my top three are able to bring up my views of the acting pretty
decent.
Like I think if it were just those three I'd be somewhere in like 84, 85 range.
And then everyone else I'd be kind of down below like sitting at like a 70, 76 ish.
Yeah that's fair.
So just kind of like I'll meet in the middle there with myself sitting at an 80.
Alright next up we got character development which I guess we can do this on Wendy?
Yeah because I mean I don't know.
I know Peter Pan had character development but I feel Wendy had the better character.
Oh yeah definitely.
Like I said earlier this Wendy I feel has a lot more character.
She's a lot more character driven in this than the original and with that I feel it
adds to her character development even more so because honestly it was really it was very
interesting and it was very entertaining to watch her go from someone that is about to
go to boarding school that is just like no I don't want to grow up mom.
Let me stay a kid forever to when we get to the end being like you know what maybe it's
actually good to grow up.
It's part of life.
This is supposed to happen.
And everything that happens in between I feel is pretty well told.
It's very interesting.
She definitely gets her moments in the spotlight as she should.
Her name's in the freaking title of the movie.
Yeah no overall I thought the character development, the character arc was pretty well done in
this one.
Yeah I absolutely agree with you there.
I mean for what she had it was I mean it wasn't like mind blowing by any means.
It was just I thought it was really cool that she kind of had like her happy thoughts originally
was like how things used to be and how they how they developed into like what they could
be like I thought that was like an interesting character shift for her and honestly I gotta
say I'm surprised by how far they took that.
Yeah do you straight up when she just when she you know has to walk the plank and she
jumps and it's literally her just looking into basically until when she dies I'm like
god damn.
Yeah that was like.
Like growing as an old lady I'm like okay.
Yeah I'm like you guys took that bit too far.
Just a little bit.
Yeah I mean it was cool it was really cool to see.
I really dug it too.
I think that's probably I put it above my acting though.
Like I'm probably sitting at like an 81 with it like I thought it was good a little above
average just it was good.
I'm not you.
It's hard to say anything like oh that was outstanding because it wasn't.
Yeah no I absolutely agree.
Alright next up we got effects and bro these looked freaking killer.
Yeah these were actually pretty good.
Dude how?
Like even the flying effects were really good.
Dude the flying effects were amazing.
I've had such a hard time with flying and this is just like in general I feel like every
movie where some there's a flying character in it it looks odd especially if the characters
just like stationary.
There are very few exceptions.
Like I feel Iron Man is an exception because obviously he's just kind of standing there
with like rockets and shit but I feel Shazam looks awkward when he's stationary Superman
looks awkward.
Basically like any flying character when they're stationary kind of I think they look weird
but I think they were able to pull off the flying in this really freaking well where
it didn't quite feel like they were on wires.
Yeah absolutely agree.
So I mean I freaking love that.
Dude Peter Pan's shadow?
Like how cool was that?
Yeah that was really cool.
That transitioned well from this.
I was wondering how they were going to do that.
Like that was insane.
I thought the way like the ways that they incorporated the shadow too like when the
shadows running to Tiger Lily like that scene looked really freaking sick.
Dude that was such a cool way for Tiger Lily to find out what was happening.
Like honestly I guess that's like I would put that in writing but I still agree with
my score.
That was very clever.
Yeah it was done super well.
I really liked how there were times where it wasn't even like addressed or wasn't like
made super obvious but you could tell that Peter Pan's shadow was doing different things.
Yeah that's true.
Like I know like the big ones were when he was like chasing his shadow and like another
big one was when he was fighting Hook in the what is it Skull Cave or Skull Rock.
I think it's Skull Rock.
Yeah whatever the hell that place is called where he's fighting him and both of their
shadows are doing different things.
Like I thought that was like crazy to look at but I mean if you notice like in the if
you pay attention to his shadow in other scenes like you can tell that sometimes that he's
doing something different or moving a little bit slower than Peter does.
Yeah that's true.
So I freaking was head over heels for that effect.
Like that was masterfully done.
Yeah freaking fantastic.
Then the flying ship.
Like that looked killer.
Yeah that looked really good.
Like oh like I wasn't sure how that was going to translate and that translated extremely
well.
It did.
Like that is just as cool as I remember it being in like the cartoon.
Like I freaking loved that they incorporated that.
So like I said freaking awesome.
I will say this I really hope that they adapt Return to Neverland to live action just so
we can see like the ship flying through the air in like a World War II space.
That would be pretty trippy but I guess we'll see how this does with view.
Yeah I mean my hopes aren't that high but they are like elevated I'll say.
Fair enough.
Yeah I mean there were some scenes that were like super obvious like CGI where what are
their names John and Michael.
Like when they were initially flying and kind of like spinning around or whatever when they
were out of the house or the dog flying around.
Oh yeah.
Like those things.
Yeah when Nana was flying yeah definitely.
But it didn't feel out of place so I mean they did a really good job with that.
Like I think they did a solid job at keeping most of the effects really grounded.
Yeah agreed.
So I mean personally I'm this is probably my highest score at least out of the things
that we score out of a hundred.
I'm going to be at like an eighty one notch below you in eighty five completely fair.
We're not too like deviated from each other like our biggest deviation was fricking story.
Yeah that's true.
I think like our other one is probably going to be the personal score.
True that.
But anyway we music is next.
And dude I freaking love this soundtrack.
The soundtrack was good.
I will absolutely agree with you on that one.
Yeah what did you what did you think about like the adaptations of like the old songs.
I thought they were really good honestly.
Dude they were really good.
I loved like how they incorporated it but it wasn't like a full blown like musical number.
Yeah I appreciated that.
It made it feel more grounded in reality even though you know we're in freaking Neverland
but still.
Yeah I will say the only ones that felt odd but I feel worked were when the pirates were
singing.
Those were my favorite ones.
Dude the one before Wendy went off the plank was a freaking banger.
Dude right.
Like seriously.
I'm actually going to look up real quick to see if that's on Spotify because that was
the shit.
But yeah I freaking loved that song dude.
It was so freaking good.
Really was.
It wasn't the behemoth one right.
I don't think so.
Oh it was the ode to the falling.
That's what it was.
Yeah that one was freaking sick.
Love that one.
It's like being downloaded.
Oh yeah I freaking love that.
Love what they did with the scores and everything.
What are you thinking with the music?
I'd say I'm probably an 8.
That's about where I'm at.
Okay.
Like I think I was like a really strong 8.
I probably could have been talked up to a 9 but I think I'm like an 8.
Alright next up we got costumes.
What did you think of the costumes?
Peters was kind of bland.
I get why it wasn't like bright green like in the original.
I would have liked a little more color on it.
Just a little bit.
But Captain Hooks was great and literally his whole crew's costumes were great.
This Meeze was great.
I appreciated that literally Wendy, John, and Michael.
I don't know if Wendy did.
Was Wendy wearing a blue dress?
She was wearing a blue overcoat.
Okay so I guess I can count that.
The fact that like for the most part, at least with John and Michael, like literally what
they wore was like straight ripped out from the animated movie and I loved that and I
really appreciated that.
Oh yeah.
Top hat and all for John.
I loved that.
So I mean I don't know for me I'd give costumes the same score.
I'd give it an 8.
Nate?
What about you?
This one was tough for me because I really liked what they had done with Hook and his
outfit.
Freaking love Tiger Lily's outfit.
Peter Pan?
I can agree with you.
It came off like really freaking bland but I feel like it worked.
Fair enough.
Like because I'm thinking of like the original Peter Pan.
He had like the pointy boots.
Was he wearing shorts?
Or was it like really light green tights?
It was light green tights.
Yeah so the light green tights, the brown boots, the loose fitting shirt.
I think they nailed that.
The boots that he was wearing looked killer.
I loved that they still had the pointed boots.
The hat was on point.
I think that the hat could have probably used a feather.
Yeah I can definitely agree with you.
Smee was like straight out of the freaking cartoon but like adapted really well.
I think he had the best adaptation.
And then yeah the Lost Boys.
I think all of them looked really cool.
I think their outfits worked.
Like all of theirs.
I know that they had some that were like trying to be adaptations of some of the originals
like whatever the kid was with the fox outfit.
Did I forget?
What was his name?
Nibs?
Oh yes.
And then all the Lost Boys looked really cool.
I liked the one with the bark mask.
That was super cool.
That was a killer mask.
I liked the adaptations of all the Lost Boys.
And like you said the pirates were killer too.
But yeah I'll probably be at the same as well sitting at an 8.
Alright what do you have for the personal score?
Alright so overall it's not a horrible reimagining or live action adaptation of Peter Pan but
it's definitely not my favorite.
I've seen worse looking at you Pinocchio.
I will say like when it comes to like Disney live action adaptations that I've seen recently
this is definitely better than Pinocchio.
And that is actually a high bar.
That is a high remark in my opinion.
So overall I had a decent time.
Like I did get, I will admit I did get bored in some spots.
The story did kind of drag on for me for a little bit.
You said you were going to shut it off.
True.
Okay I changed my mind a little bit.
Hey you should be glad you talked me up man.
Did I really?
Yeah you did actually.
Gosh I hate you to do that.
Yeah you asshole.
But overall I appreciated that they stuck with the source material but tried to add
new things to it and for the most part I feel they did it decently well.
Most of the cast was good.
Some better than others.
We've said that plenty of times throughout this episode.
So overall I'm going to give Peter Pan and Wendy, I'll give it a 70, I'll give it a 75.
I thought this movie was a really well done adaptation of the Peter Pan story.
I feel it made it more interesting, they were able to give some background behind the hate
that Hook has for Peter that worked really well with the overall story.
I think the changes that they made were really well done.
I do feel there is a little bit of wokeness in this movie that didn't need to be there
but I mean it was there, what can you do about it?
But I think that the character of Peter Pan came off as bland but they were able to improve
other characters like Wendy and Hook and some of the other pirates and so I think they did
a really well done job with what they were doing.
Unfortunately just as a whole I don't think it worked out extremely well.
So this is a really tough one.
I think unless you are just the biggest of Peter Pan fans there's not too much to get
out of this movie.
So I'm going to give this movie a 78.
So anyway that concludes this breakdown, going through the scores real quick.
Story didn't start off very strong.
It started off at a 78 which was just right in line with the writing sitting also at a
78.
The acting we both gave it an 80.
Character development we ended up giving an 81.
The effects were probably the high point of this movie sitting at an 85.5.
Acting costumes were really really good.
I think the only thing costumes was lacking was just solid silhouette.
So we ended up giving those an 8.
And then our personal score averaged out to a 76.5.
So the final Albrows letter grade for Peter Pan and Wendy has come out to a B minus.
Really I thought it was going to hit the C's.
I thought it was going to hit the C's as well.
And it's not a super weak one.
Our cutoff is 80% for a B minus.
And this scored an 81.125.
So that's crazy.
Yeah dude, I was not expecting that at all.
Neither was I.
That is really freaking cool.
So yeah, sitting at an 81.12.
I try to take a shot at where I think the movie is going to be.
And I had this at like a C. I had the C's and the C pluses highlighted.
But obviously I was deadass wrong.
Oh no!
Oh god.
Oh no!
I don't want to know.
Oh dude, we're going to get the most hate.
Oh god.
Alright, let's hear it.
Alright, so like I said, Peter Pan and Wendy is sitting at a B minus.
Sitting at an 81.12%.
That puts it below Late Night, which is at an 81.37.
It's below The Matrix Reloaded, which is at an 81.66.
It is below Birds of Prey, which is at an 81.75.
As well as Holiday in Handcuffs, which is at an 81.78.
And then finally it is below The Bad Guys, which is at an 81.81.
I'm scared.
You should be.
Oh god.
We put it above Deadpool 2, which is at an 81.08.
Okay.
Yeah doesn't that make you feel horrible inside?
Yeah very.
We put it above The Banana Splits Movie, which is at an 80.91.
I'm actually okay with that.
It's above Dune, which is at an 80.62.
Yeah I wasn't completely bored in this one.
We put it above Top Gun, which is at an 80.37.
Not Top Gun Maverick, Top Gun.
So the first one.
And then we put it above Good Boys, which is at an 80.25.
Yeah that Deadpool 2 is really stinging.
Oh dude that was a kick in the nuts.
Yeah people are not going to be happy with us for that.
Nope.
I need to go back and see why Deadpool 2 ended up where it did.
Oh shit this is one of the ones that we had other people collaborate on.
Aw damn it.
Whoever collaborated on that, you suck.
Dude that's freaking killing me.
So hold on.
This is going to aggravate me.
Oh balls.
Oh man.
Alright so this is a direct comparison of Deadpool 2 to Peter Pan and Wendy.
And again this is because of a collaboration.
This is one of the ones that we were trying to get all the movies that we've ever done
or that we hadn't done the old system at or with.
And then we sent it out to a bunch of friends and it was just like, hey if you want to
rate some movies like feel free.
And so this is why this is so low.
So don't get 100% mad at us.
Don't come at us.
Gosh if there's ever one that needed to be re-explored it's Deadpool 2.
So we gave Peter Pan and Wendy higher in story.
Lower in writing.
Lower in acting.
Higher in character development.
Higher in effects.
Really?
Oh my gosh we gave it higher in music.
How did that freaking happen?
Whaaaaat?
That's the kicker.
I can let a lot of these other ones slide but higher in music?
Yeah that's a stretch.
Costumes tied.
Our personal score was significantly higher.
And then the average just ended up being lower.
The difference though is.04%.
Okay shit so yeah that's really close.
The margins are ridiculously close.
Wow.
Dude we're gonna get a ridiculous amount of hate.
Yes we are.
And I'm not looking forward to it.
I am very much looking forward to it.
Oh shit.
Oh that's gonna be so freaking fun.
Anyway so that's where it ended up.
Well I hope I would say that wraps up this episode unless you got anything else you want
to say Caleb.
Other than freaking uff.
Not really.
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