What up bros this is the All Bros Podcast on Caleb and I'm Jonathan and we are a couple
of aspiring filmmakers that love to watch and critique movies but also enjoy a lot of
bit of the nerd life.
This week on the podcast we have a special guest with us.
Would you like to introduce yourself?
Yes I am said special guest my name is Brucker.
Thank you guys so much for having me on.
I come from a podcast called Film on the Rocks and I am also starting a new horror movie
podcast called Autopsy the Horror Movie.
But I'm really excited to be here guys.
It's really fun to collaborate with you two again.
Yeah this is definitely going to be a regular thing with how fun our breakdowns end up being.
So for those of you that don't already know we are kind of mixing some things up a little
bit.
We have a new system in place that we are going to be doing from now on and I'll only
bring it up a few times before we actually stop.
But we have new segments.
We are still discussing the same stuff just changing how we do it a little bit.
So the first segment that we are going to be doing is Funko Focus.
I'm going to list off all of the new figures that have been announced or are getting released
soon and then we'll just talk about some of the ones that we are interested in which only
I have one that I'm interested in.
We have no 4k to spotlight this week and through the wall Rose has a new still that he is going
to talk to us about.
And then after that...
You won't.
Sorry nevermind.
No nevermind.
I don't know what I was going to say.
And then like we said in the previous episodes or episode our main event has evolved into
the Albrose headliner and our headliner for this week is our breakdown of Wonder Woman
1984.
So with that let's get into it.
Let's do it.
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Alrighty first up with Funko Focus.
We have a decent amount of new lines.
So the new lines that we have are for Spider-Man Miles Morales, the PS5 game.
You still could say PS4.
It is on PS4 too.
True.
But yeah we got Spider-Man Miles Morales, we got a new Planters Peanut, Slush Puppy
and we got a figure for Rhea and the Last Dragon.
So that's what that is.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And then the, my Funko Focus pick is actually the Marvel Collector Corps January box.
And so for those of you that don't know what the Collector Corps box is, it's a subscription
thing that Amazon does for Marvel and pop figures.
That's cool.
Yeah, so they do, so typically like what they've had is two pop figures, a shirt or an article
of clothing, typically a shirt, a pin and a sticker or a decal.
So they just announced that with this box, which the theme is Lucha Libre, which I think
we've talked about before on here.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we have.
So they announced that this box is going to have three figures in it instead of the regular
two.
Oh shit.
Yeah.
And so they haven't announced what's going to be in the box, but some people have a theory
that one of the Lucha Libre figures is going to be Thanos.
That would be super dope.
That would be so cool.
But yeah, I don't know the other, I'm trying to think of like other figures or other characters
that they could do for Lucha Libre.
So far they've only done Hulk, Wolverine, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Deadpool, Venom and
Captain Marvel.
Hear me out, Black Widow and Hawkeye.
More so mean Hawkeye of course, but you know.
I think Captain America would be pretty badass.
Oh, that'd be super cool.
Yeah.
I just don't know who else that they would do because Thanos would be a freaking bitch
in one.
Yeah, for real.
The only two Avengers that are big names that they're missing is Thor and Cap.
Wow, no love for Hawkeye and Black Widow.
I get it.
Well, when you think, I'm saying big names.
Oh shit, that was a slam.
Yeah, there's six original Avengers here buddy.
There's not just four.
Only four that matter.
You're about to catch these hands.
I was just giving you a hard time.
But yeah, that's my theory.
My theory is I love the idea of Thanos being one and Cap and Thor.
That's what I'd hope they do.
I think Hawkeye would translate well into a something that-
Fuchilibre?
Yeah, that.
I would love to see that personally.
I think that would just be awesome.
I mean that would be.
Yeah, but yeah, that's the one that I'm focusing on.
So unless any of you have anything else to add, we can move on to Through the Wall where
Rose, you can take it from here.
Alright, so this happened a couple days ago, but Blumhouse released an official pic.
I don't know what they call it.
Official image, that's the word.
Still, that's even better.
Thank you, Brooker.
An official still from Halloween Kills and it's Michael Myers at the top of a staircase
looking down and you can tell his overalls are burnt.
His overalls, wow, is it a boiler suit or is it a jumpsuit?
I think it's a jumpsuit.
Yeah, it's more of a jumpsuit.
You can see some burns on his jumpsuit.
You can definitely see the burns on the mask and he's just standing there with his knife
and looking badass and it's a great image.
Someone actually pointed out in this image that in the background, like the wall by the
stairs, you can see flower print and someone pointed out that in the trailer that we got
on Halloween this past year in 2020, that scene with Allison screaming and looking up,
it's the exact same print.
So they feel that this is the exact same scene that Allison runs into Michael.
He turns around the corner and there he is and of course she screams her head off and
I'm sure she takes off running.
Be sure to look out for this image on all of our social media because it's a beautiful
image and you guys will be amazed by it and I really don't know what else to say about
it.
It looks super dope and my head is kind of just spinning with ideas of where this can
be.
Maybe we should go back and rewatch both the 78 original movie and the 2018 movie and see
if the wallpaper matches any of the houses that we see in those movies.
Because I'm starting to think maybe she goes back to her friend that was in the 2018 movie.
She goes back to the house of the babysitter that Michael murdered and maybe she goes back
there and could be that house maybe.
Yeah, Vicky's house.
Yes, that would be because it's the same.
I think it's supposed to be like the same night like right after kind of like how the
original sequel was.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's how it is.
So that would be really interesting to see.
All I know is I just need this damn movie right now.
Right.
I mean, at least we're in the same year that it's coming out now.
That's true, but it's like not until the tail end of the year.
Yeah, it's man, all we can do now is just kind of just rewatch those Halloween movies
until we get that.
So that's my homework is to find that wallpaper, see which movie it's in.
That's some good homework.
Let me know if you find anything, Brooker.
I love you.
Like, yeah, it's a good idea.
You do that for me.
Do all the work for me.
Thanks, man.
Appreciate it.
Hey, you can cover it on your top scene.
The way that we watch movies, dude, anytime I've gone back and be like, oh, I'm going
to find these little Easter eggs or whatever, I always forget what I'm looking for in the
middle of the movie.
Oh, I always like pick up like eight different things.
Oh, my God, the signs are changing like the there's a shift in the wind as you know, you're
looking at it or whatever.
Yeah, super cool.
Cool image.
Michael is looking friggin badass.
I was afraid that they were going to make the mask look really lame with it being melted.
But with some close up images, he looks really good.
He looks scary as hell now.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, no joke.
And that's all we got for through the wall.
So I believe we can move on to our headliner for this evening.
Okay, does that set a new record because that was only 11 minutes.
Yeah, that's a new record.
Definitely achieved what we were going for.
Kind of this segment down and talk about only what we wanted to see.
Jonathan was taking us through thin walls.
So that's a that's my joke, ladies and gentlemen.
I've been working on that all day.
Bravo.
That was amazing.
It was beautiful.
Can't even hear the golf club.
Love it.
But I mean, speaking of which, just because new format like, Brucker, what do you think
of it?
I like it.
Like, yeah, even though it cuts the conversation down a bit.
Hey, I mean, you know, a good conversation is a good conversation just because you I
don't know, let's say you're able to talk for four hours.
But you know, is how much of it is it fluff and how much of it is, you know, good content?
So, you know, if if you're able to streamline it or whatever, then you're probably producing
better content, I think.
So which is a good kind of lesson that this movie that we're talking about today could
have learned, I think.
So that was a very good segue.
Yeah.
So without further ado, let's get into our headliner.
Time for the main event.
It's main event time.
Let's play a game.
Alrighty, this week's headliner of the evening is our breakdown of Wonder Woman 1984.
We posted a question of the week.
I don't think anyone answered it, though.
What was the question?
Yeah.
So the question was, you're being granted a wish, but there is a cost.
What is the cost of your dream?
I feel like that, yeah, like what what could someone take away?
Interesting that that actually I don't want to spoil anything.
I almost did.
I almost got there.
Yeah, I'm just double checking our our Twitter just because occasionally I'll miss stuff
with with that.
But I'm fairly certain we didn't get anything.
Well, OK, well, let's kind of let's let's kick around the ball here a little bit.
So I feel like a very popular item, like ticket item this past holiday season was a PS5.
What do you think?
Like some people would have had to trade for a PS5 if they used the dream stone to get
it.
I feel like, you know, you're asking for material things.
You probably have to give up either other material things or maybe personal things.
I don't know.
Like family member Amelia or maybe Ian.
Say that again.
Can I give up my PS4?
Does that count?
I give up my old wish for my new wish.
Yeah, I mean, I feel it still works.
Yeah, that's tough.
It's just like if it like you got to think like if the whatever the dream is or whatever
the wish is, does it like does the cost of it be equal or greater than because if you
were to wish for something stupid like spoiler alert, someone wishes for coffee.
And it's like their two bucks.
The punishment is that the coffee was hot.
Or someone put in like a wrong creamer in it or something.
Yeah, like that seems like a fair trade.
So like a PS5, how much did those cost?
Like $500?
I don't I don't even know how much they cost.
I think like the digital version was $500, but then like the actual physical disc was
$600.
I think.
Okay.
So like what's like a $600 equivalent that you have to like that you take a hit on?
Like does does your car get into a car accident or like your car into car accident?
Wow, that was a dumbass sentence.
Do you get into like a fender bender or?
I'm trying to for $600.
They probably could just take my car and then it would just be perfect.
That's about what my car is worth.
Let's face it.
Oh, that's it.
Oh, you want to you want to PS5?
People hear COVID stimulus relief is only going to be $600.
That's it.
I mean, it works.
It works.
True.
But yeah, I think that'd be hilarious.
Like you wish for a PS5.
It gets dropped at your door by Amazon Prime and then on the way out, the driver like rear
ends you.
Oh, that's it.
That's it.
There we go.
Oh, yeah.
So yeah, my wife just yelled at me from the other room that maybe I should have worded
this differently.
Brielle, you're not wrong.
What are you willing to pay?
Hey, what are you paying?
That's fair.
Or like maybe prompted with like you could win the lottery, but what would what would
you give up to win the lottery sort of thing?
Yeah, sort of along those lines.
Yeah, it kind of turns into like a would you rather sort of thing.
Yeah.
Well, I guess I'll just be asking her for help on our future question of the week.
So anyway, getting into the actual breakdown.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we've split movies into eight different categories
that we individually grade to come to a final all bros and film on the rock slash autopsy
of a movie or film.
Yeah, two different movie podcasts.
One uses film, one uses movie.
Give you a headache.
I love it.
Hey, it works.
I like it.
Yeah.
But coming to that final grade and yeah, so it comes to a letter grade and just because
we can.
So the way that we're doing it now is we rate everything before the movie.
So we know all the scores.
Now it's our job to justify those scores to everyone.
Yep.
Yeah.
So if you have not seen Wonder Woman 1984.
Spoiler alerts ahead.
We're going to ruin the entire movie for you.
So go sign up for HBO Max now.
It's pretty sweet.
I mean, I wouldn't know I'm packing off Caleb's.
It's hell of worth it.
It's insane.
There's so much shit on there.
There is.
Holy shit.
Dude, like I added like 12 or 14 movies to the list and I haven't even like and I was
just scrolling through alphabetically and it's overwhelming.
Honestly, it's there's so much stuff.
Wow.
Yeah.
No joke.
Like, oh, it's insane because I'm like, oh, I want to watch this.
Oh, I want to watch this.
And like I added Citizen Kane and a bunch of other movies.
Dude, Citizen Kane's on there.
They got to compete with Netflix with the make coming out.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
Ever since I discovered the middle was on HBO Max, that's like been the only thing that
I've watched because I have to finish.
The only reason why my girlfriend and I got HBO Max in the first place was to watch the
1969, 1970 original Scooby Doo Where Are You?
Great cartoon show and we just we've gone through it a couple of times.
I love it.
Absolutely love it.
Oh, that's awesome.
All right.
So did I say this, the categories?
Oh, no, I haven't yet.
Wait, I don't think so.
Did I say the categories?
We think you have.
So anyway, the eight categories that we grade are story writing, acting, character development,
effects, and
music, costumes.
And then at the end, we give it our own personal grade.
So starting off with story, Rose is going to read a synopsis for the entire film.
So you've been warned.
All right.
In her youth, Diana Prince participates in an island spanning athletic race on Themyscira
against older Amazons.
After falling from her horse, Diana takes a shortcut to catch up.
However, oh my gosh, I forgot her name.
Is it Anteope?
So you remember how to pronounce her name?
It's Anteope?
I think it's Anteope or something like that.
Anteope.
Okay.
Anteope.
So before this, explaining anything worthwhile must be obtained honestly.
In 1984, Diana works at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, DC while performing heroic
deeds.
She introduces herself to Barbara Ann Minerva, a new geologist and cryptozoologist with the
museum, and they become friends.
Barbara is kind and socially awkward, which makes most people look past her and makes
her envious of Diana.
She is asked by the FBI to identify stolen antiques from a robbery Diana foiled.
Barbara and Diana notice one artifact later revealed to be the Dream Stone contains an
inscription claiming that anyone holding it will have one wish granted.
Diana unknowingly uses the stone to wish her deceased lover, Steve Trevor, back to life.
After being saved by Diana from an attempted sexual assault, Barbara wishes upon the stone
to become like Diana, attaining Diana's superpowers.
Failing businessman Maxwell, Max Lord Lorenzano, visits the Smithsonian under the pretext of
being a wealthy donor.
He arranged for the Dream Stone to be delivered to him in hopes of using its power to save
his oil company.
Diana discovers a connection between Max and the stone and attends a gala at the Smithsonian
to investigate.
There she is reunited with Steve, whose soul inhabits another man's body that only Diana
sees as Steve.
Attending the gala himself, Max seduces Barbara to gain access to her office and steal the
Dream Stone.
He later uses the stone to become the Stone and gains its wish-granting powers along with
the ability to take whatever he desires from others to fulfill the cost of the wishes.
Max becomes a powerful figure who leaves chaos and destruction in his wake as his powers
trigger worldwide instability.
With Barbara's help, Diana and Steve discover that the Dream Stone was created by Dolos,
the god of lies, treachery, deception, and mischief.
The stone grants a user their wish but exacts a toll, and the only way to reverse the exchange
is by renouncing the wish or destroying the stone.
Steve realizes his existence comes at the cost of Diana's powers, while Barbara's newfound
life has taken her humanity.
Neither woman is willing to renounce her wish.
Max's powers take a toll on him as his body slowly deteriorates.
He learns from the President of the United States of a satellite system that broadcasts
communication signals globally.
Max plans to use it to grant wishes to the entire world to rid himself of his power and
regain his health.
Diana and Steve confront him at the White House, only for Barbara to join forces with
Max.
She defeats Diana, allowing Max's escape.
Steve finally convinces Diana to renounce her wish and let him go, restoring her strength
and discovering an ability to fly.
Diana returns home and dons the armor of warrior Asteria.
She then heads to the satellite headquarters and again battles Barbara, who has mutated
into a cheetah-like creature after wishing to become an apex predator.
After defeating Barbara, Diana confronts Max and uses her lasso of truth to communicate
with the world through him, convincing everyone to renounce their wishes.
She also shows Max visions, first of his own unhappy childhood, then of his young son,
Alastair, wandering the streets crying for his father amid the chaos.
Max renounces his wish and reunites with Alastair, promising to be a better father.
Sometime later, Diana meets the man whose body Steve possessed.
Meanwhile, Asteria is revealed to be secretly living among humans.
Alright, so with our collective scores, the final actual score that the story got was
a 76.6.
Okay, that's honestly higher than I thought it was going to be.
So the one that bumped it up the most was you, Rose.
I think I might have been a little too nice on this movie.
There was a lot of potential with this story.
It was just done wrong.
There were just little fixes here and there that would have enhanced the story so much.
I think the biggest problem is Barbara's character especially because by the time that we get
to her transforming into Cheetah, it feels like it's too late.
Like the movie has like 20 minutes left.
I liked her as Cheetah.
I thought it was a cool fight between her and Wonder Woman.
It just felt like, okay, what's the point now?
She wasn't even in half the movie.
She was barely even in a quarter of it.
Like the manifestation of her actually being a Cheetah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was interesting.
The story is, I mean, there's definitely a story there, but it's not, it just didn't
feel like a Wonder Woman movie.
I don't know if you guys agree with me on that, but just because I felt like she wasn't
in it that much.
This was way more about Barbara and Pedro Pascal's character.
That's what it felt like to me.
It was way more about them too than it was about Diana.
I can agree with that actually, unfortunately.
Yeah.
It was kind of weird.
She felt like a side character almost.
Yeah.
And like, I mean-
No, sorry.
But one thing, this movie isn't super action packed like the first one was.
And I think that that was a good creative choice to make.
It was definitely intentional.
Yeah, because if you go back to like the Wonder Woman comics, the original ones, and even
the show, she doesn't fight a lot.
Like she talks her way out of, like she talks to the criminals.
She tries to like basically get them to see the error of their ways and kind of fix themselves.
Yeah.
What she does in this movie.
She's like Lady Justice almost.
Like she's not there to attack anyone, but she's not there to like let people get away
with shit either.
And so I felt like that was kind of the role that she was taking.
And there were some times where it worked really well and then other times where it
didn't.
Like, no, you need to be whooping someone's ass.
Yeah.
I'll give them this, the mall scene was freaking awesome.
The way that she used the Lasso of Truth throughout that whole scene.
Like that got me freaking hyped for the rest of the movie, but then unfortunately didn't
exactly deliver.
See the mall scene.
Dude, I have thoughts on that freaking lasso.
I'm fine with the lasso.
The mall scene itself, I mean, I like the action that we got from Wonder Woman.
Like I have nothing really to say about that.
It was mostly the over the top acting that we were getting from these like F character
bad guys.
Like he like randomly, I don't want to say randomly, but he kind of just grabs his little
girl as like hostage and it went from evading the scene in the crime to like holding a kid
over a ledge in the mall like super fast.
And it was, I don't know, it just didn't, it wasn't executed real well.
Like I don't know.
No, that just came out of nowhere.
It wasn't.
And I understand that Wonder Woman 1984, it's supposed to be a cheesy eighties comic brought
to life and that's why this movie has a completely different tone from the first movie, which
had a lot of weight and heaviness to it because it was a World War I.
And you know, that one had kind of like, like I said, like a lot of like weight and heaviness
to this.
This one's a little bit more light and fluffy and we're kind of exploring other characters
that aren't Wonder Woman.
So that was like, so I think a lot of people are having kind of a hard time transitioning
between the tones like that.
But yeah, so like that mall scene was, I mean, I liked the Wonder Woman's actions in it,
but it was a little too cheesy for my taste.
Yeah, the cheese factor was definitely dialed up to like 11.
Yeah.
Real.
Yeah, they should have like, when the dude grabbed that little girl and started like
hanging her over the ledge, I was on the team with like the other guys like, what the hell
are you doing?
We were on our way out.
Part of the plan.
Yeah, like and then one of the dudes, he was just like strolling out.
Like the only reason that he started running was because the guy called him out and he's
just like, let's go, let's run.
And it's just like, no, like you told me like no one saw you.
Yeah.
Well, no, it's because he stumbled on his gun, flew on the floor and the lady saw it
and she freaked out.
The one on the phone?
So there were the three guys that went inside and started taking everything.
One guy stayed outside as kind of lookout, what got on the phone.
The three came out, tossed him a duffel bag, and then they just started kind of like strolling.
Yeah, but wasn't there also another guy that was outside with also the guy that was on
the phone and he's the one that accidentally drops his gun and it flings across the floor
and the lady sees it and freaks out.
And so the guy tells the guy that was on the phone, like, come on, let's go.
And yet, I mean, I feel bad for the guy with the, that was on the phone because like literally
he could have just, just kept on going.
No one suspected him at all.
I would have just been like, I would have just grabbed my duffel bag and been like,
oh my gosh, it's freaking nuts over there and left.
Yeah.
It's like, I don't know this fool.
It's like, I don't know who that, that character is.
Yeah.
Freaking psycho.
Yeah.
How did you guys feel about Diana's and Steve's relationship in this one?
Honestly, I liked it.
I was really happy that Steve was back because I feel like that we kind of need to be reminded
that she's a real person at times.
And Steve kind of brings that humanity out of her.
And I don't know, I just liked them two together.
I mean, they're, they're, they're two good looking people.
I mean, you know, just put them on the screen.
That's great.
You know, and, and honestly, and like I said, I liked their relationship.
And so it was really cool because it was like a reverse of the relationship from the first
movie because in the first movie she was the fish out of water.
And in this one, he is now the fish out of water.
He's educating him about this world of 1984, what things are and trash cans aren't art
and you know, things like that.
Even though I saw that joke so many times on the trailer, it's still got to get.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
One thing that like, I absolutely agree that they should have brought Steve Trevor back
just to like humanize Diana a little bit more.
But I think they went about it wrong.
And this is one of those like minor tweaks to the movie that I think would have improved
it a little bit.
And like, let me know if I'm like completely out there with this.
I think that the guy that kind of took over or that Steve took over the dude's body, I
think we should have seen him a majority of the movie.
It shouldn't have switched to Chris Pine.
I think it should have stayed the black haired dude for a good portion of it.
And then near the time, like, and then like when you get to the point where Diana is struggling
to renounce her wish, I think that would have been a good time for her to kind of be panicking
and like, like, no, no, I'm not doing this and have Steve grab her like face and kind
of like, then you see Chris Pine.
Like I think that would have been like a bit better of a moment.
Probably my big thing is this is a magical wish stone.
Why does he have to possess someone's body?
Why can't he just be back?
Yeah, I can agree with that because Steve Trevor was never like a huge, big, I don't
think he was a huge, big deal during World War I, was he?
No, he was some other dude that died in an airplane.
I mean, you know, I mean, nothing against that or anything, but you know, he was just
another fallen soldier, I think.
Yeah, so I doubt anyone's just going to go, oh, how did someone just come back from the
dead?
I think they've made him a love interest.
I think they've made Steve Trevor more of a love interest, but yeah, like, you could
have had anyone.
And I think also it would have made, like having it not be Chris Pine the entire movie,
I think that would have also made the ending make a little bit more sense because I didn't
even think that that was the guy that was possessed.
Oh.
Like, I was just like, oh, like, that's nice, she's moving on.
And then I was like listening to someone else talk about the movie and they're like, oh
yeah, that's like the same guy that Steve possessed.
I'm like, whoa, wait, was it?
Oh, you didn't remember?
Oh, I remembered that.
Yeah, I didn't remember his face.
Like, you see him for like a couple seconds.
I get where you're coming from, Caleb, but I feel that I'm glad that it was Chris Pratt
for the most part.
Chris Pine.
Because Chris Pine, wow, I'm sorry.
Well, apparently I don't care about Chris Pine.
I don't know, I just feel like it had more of an emotional impact, especially when they
were having that emotional moment where Steve was telling her, you know, you need to let
me go and this scene even got me tearing up.
And so I feel if you didn't get to see Steve being Steve throughout the whole movie, throughout
the rest of the movie, you just saw him as that one guy, I feel it wouldn't have had
that much of an emotional impact.
That's why I'm saying like during that scene, it should have been a moment where they're
kind of off talking about it and you see the, let's say person A or just like, let's say,
I don't even know, let's say Joe, let's say Joe is the guy that Steve possessed, that
you see Joe for a majority of that conversation.
And then the second that it becomes like you need to renounce your wish, then it becomes
Chris Pine.
And then it's like, I don't know.
So then how would that be her wish then?
Because if she were to wish for him to come back, but we don't see him back, how would
we know that the wish was actually fulfilled?
Like what would it be that she's renouncing at that point?
Well you got to think she was looking at Joe or whatever his name is.
That's what she was seeing, but she was choosing to see with her heart, but soul of Chris Pine.
See I think that's kind of why they kept it with Chris Pine.
Yeah, but I think that's why they kept it as Chris Pine because you're supposed to see
this kind of maybe through Diana's eyes that when she finally realizes that, oh my gosh,
this is Steve, we're supposed to believe all the time that this is Steve, it's not just
some random ass guy.
We're supposed to see him in his actual image.
I would have liked to see it both ways.
Hey, Patty Jenkins, can we get a Wonder Woman 84.2?
I would love to see her talk about that.
So yeah, we did a test.
We did like a test audience without Chris Pine and nobody got it.
So we put him back in.
Caleb would have gotten it apparently.
Caleb was like the one person that's like, I get this people, this is gold.
I don't know.
I would have even liked, just for stupid audience members that wouldn't get it, I think if they
were to say, okay, at the party when she's just like no and then she realizes that it
is Steve, then you see it like kind of what they were doing, the circling around the two,
but do one circle where it is Chris Pine and then go back to the other dude.
Just so everyone's like, oh, it's Steve and blah blah blah.
And then I don't know.
I'm sorry, man.
I think you're on Joe Island.
I don't know if, I don't know that would have worked.
I think it would have.
I think it would have worked.
And besides, Chris Pine wanted the paycheck.
So do what?
Wait, what?
Oh, I said we're all out to have an opinion.
We're all out, allowed to have ideas.
And all I said was Chris Pine wanted the paycheck.
So Patty Jenkins had to write it that way.
I bet you he was held to a contract.
I bet like he signed off for two or three movies and this is just how they had to do
it.
Yeah.
Didn't they already greenlight the third one?
Yep.
Yeah.
And then she says she had two more stories that she wanted to do.
Patty?
Shut up.
All right.
I think I'm not 100% certain on that.
As long as it doesn't interfere with Patty Jenkins.
I'm cool.
I think that they would have, I don't know, kind of knocking Chris Pine out of the way
a little bit.
Would have, I mean, for me, would have made me realize that that was the guy that she
saw the end a little bit quicker.
Okay, that's fair.
And like understand that.
But also, if, I don't know, I think like the bringing Steve back to life thing shouldn't
be a habit.
I just want to point out with that scene at the end where she meets who the body that
Stephen inhabited, I'm so glad actually that they did not like get together and hook up
because that would have just been like, oh, my lover was in this body.
Now I love this guy.
Happy ending.
I'm glad that they just have like a little moment in the snow and that's it.
And it just moves on.
So I think that was a really smart call.
Yeah, it was way less annoying.
Yeah, exactly.
That's a good way to put it.
But yeah, I think some other things that they could have improved was having us realize
that Diana's powers were going away a little bit more directly than how they were doing
it because when she got shot like by that, like the tank, I just thought, oh, she she
didn't block it.
So I just assumed like, oh, she's not bulletproof.
Yeah, I guess they could have been a little more clear or clear about that.
I feel I didn't like truly realize that she had lost her powers until probably.
I don't know.
It's like that scene on the road where they're trying to get Maxwell and maybe like when
she she's like literally hiding under one of the the trucks.
Yeah, which is super late.
Yeah, just a little bit.
Another thing that I feel like they could have fixed was with Barbara.
Like I think Barbara was like she seemed like she had a good character art going until she
was like losing her humanity and all that stuff.
And then she just kind of became a like a one off villain.
Yeah, that's like the whole like, oh, I want to become an apex predator.
I don't know why that just like came out of nowhere for me.
Exactly.
You kicked Wonder Woman's ass.
Yeah, I think you're good with what you're at right now.
Let's stop it here, honey.
And honestly, like, like up until the apex predator thing, I was actually really digging
this character because we got we got like really good development out of her because
that's something I would give a lot of props for this movie is that we fully understand
the motivations for our villains in this movie.
Like we totally get Barbara's ambitions and how she fell to the dark side.
I'll use some Star Wars lingo here.
And we kind of also get a little bit of insight about Pedro Pascal's character.
And I mean, we kind of see that, you know, he is he is a divorcee and he's wanting to
be a good example for his son.
And you know, he's he's having a failing business and he's trying to be this TV icon at the
same time, too.
So or spokesperson.
So he he's putting a lot of pressure on himself to do well.
At the end, we kind of realize his upbringing and everything.
But I at least appreciated that, like, even though like Wonder Woman wasn't in this movie
that much, the time that we didn't get with her, we got with the villains.
So we fully understood their story.
So I will give the movie some points for that.
But at the same time, you know, this was a Wonder Woman movie.
I want to see her do Wonder Woman things, you know.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Which, honestly, I think they just did maybe focus on the villain a bit too much.
I think we got enough that we got to understand how Wonder Woman was able to appeal to his
good nature.
Or his good like kind of reconnect him to his intentions.
So like we were able to understand that, but I think they just did a bit too much.
And like you said, we want to see Wonder Woman do Wonder Woman shit.
And like it could have even been a thing where like we just saw like they could have interwoven
them more.
Like we saw Barbara as she's kind of descending down the wrong path.
She's kind of doing this while also having more interactions with Diana and Diana can
like notice a change in tune and attitude with her, which she kind of does later in
the movie.
But maybe a little bit earlier on, so way Diana could like be like, hey, yo, like, what
are you doing kind of thing, you know?
Or I saw you beat up that homeless dude.
I think that would have been a really good way to show Diana's loss of power, where if
her and Barbara were interacting more.
And then maybe like when she goes and attacks the drunk dude, maybe Diana tries to stop
her but is like hurt in the process.
Yeah, that's a good idea.
And then you're just like, then she's like, oh wait, what the shit?
Yeah, it kind of like flips the script like that.
Yeah, yeah, I think that would be really good actually.
Yeah, that would.
And then, I mean, do you guys think that she struggled with the renouncing her wish for,
because I don't think that she struggled with that decision for too long.
Which she already talking about, talking about Diana.
Diana, yeah, I think that Diana kind of wants the the from the point where she realizes
that that's kind of what she has to do to the point where she actually does it, it doesn't
feel like a super long time.
I definitely felt a conflict, I would say, because for like, at least, I mean, you're
right, it was brief, but there was like a brief period in the movie where she kind of
finds out that's what she has to do.
But instead of just renouncing it, they tried to keep stopping Cheetah, I think.
And anyways, yeah, they do try to stop her and stop Pedro Pascal before she decides like,
okay, it was more like when she did renounce it, it was more of like a last ditch effort
to be like, I'm in a corner, I just have to do this sort of thing.
And it was because we saw how she did try to stop them some but it was kind of a brief
part of this movie, which this movie is two and a half hours.
It's amazing.
So anything in this is brief.
Yeah, you got me there.
But yeah, that was one thing and that I had a big issue with.
I just felt like that from the moment that she realized that was that's what she was
doing and the cost of her wish and all that kind of came together, I think that she renounced
her wish pretty quickly.
I think that she should have struggled with that a bit more.
But yeah, and then trying to think of any other like story issues that I had.
We already talked about Cheetah and her wanting to become an apex predator after whooping
Wonder Woman's ass.
I have an issue.
The whole opening sequence with a little girl, Diana, on the Mascara, I felt like that this
whole sequence, I feel like never had a payoff in this movie.
Because to me, like the whole thing was that like her lesson is that she shouldn't cheat
and cut corners.
But I feel like that this, I don't know, that was like the least message I got that she
was supposed to learn from this.
That was supposed to be her takeaway to like not cut corners and not cheat.
But that's not like her struggle as an adult in this movie.
It's more just like accepting that she can't have things that she wants.
I guess she wants to win, but like it didn't translate well to me.
I don't know.
What did y'all got?
How did y'all feel about this opening sequence?
I can definitely agree with you.
It really did not have a payoff.
But I really actually enjoyed this opening sequence.
I mean, I enjoy it.
It was great.
I mean, like the sequence itself is fine.
Like in a vacuum, it was very entertaining.
I just didn't see it felt so disjointed from the rest of the movie, though.
I can absolutely agree with you there, actually.
And I want to say that Patty Jenkins actually had to fight Warner Brothers to make that
the opening.
Oh, really?
Because they didn't want to, actually.
Huh.
So maybe there's a reason why.
Show this to Warner Brothers, Patty.
Okay, I know that this is like a bit of a stretch and like you definitely have to reach
pretty far to kind of get what I'm getting at.
The whole conversation, like that sequence, I think could have been a little bit shorter.
Like the opening sequence could have been a little bit shorter.
And I think that instead of her like winning the entire time and then getting knocked off
her horse, I think it would have been better had she fallen behind and then seen a shortcut.
Just so it's like more blatant cheating.
Because when she was going through, and like Antiobe pulls her off the horse or no, like
pulls her to the ground and like freaking body slams her.
Yeah, like damn shit.
Gave her the people's elbow.
Yeah, I think with that, I didn't see how, I thought it was more like a race.
You just have to get to the finish line.
I didn't quite see how it was like a sequence.
So I think had it been more like, oh, this is straight up cheating.
Then like freaking body slam.
I think that would have made a little bit more sense to me.
I think the overall thing was nothing worth getting is worth like getting through lies.
And that was kind of the whole purpose of like the dream stone.
The dream stone, it's not real.
It's lies.
It's deception.
And yes, this is what she has.
She has the love of her life back.
But it's like, does she really though?
It's not real.
It's deception.
I like that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I do too.
Okay.
Yeah.
And then when it gets to her like renouncing her wish, that's her accepting truth, accepting
everything that's truth.
And then that's what makes a great hero and makes her ready to wear what's her face's armor.
Okay.
Yeah, I like that.
I just don't know what a race has to do with truth.
Like they could have probably used a different like parable of Diana in this.
Like I don't know, like she got caught cheating or stealing as a young kid or whatever.
And like she went through that whole lesson that would have been a little bit more relatable
to a young audience, I think.
Instead of horse racing your ants.
But I don't know.
Yeah I absolutely agree.
It could have been done better.
So it's not like you have to take a little bit of a stroll to get to the hidden meaning.
But I mean, I appreciated it.
It's just like, it could have been done better.
Like that's just my issue with the movie in general.
It just could have been done a little bit better.
Yeah, definitely.
Agreed.
So yeah, I mean that being said, it's a story full of potential.
And I think a 76 definitely represents that.
Yeah, kind of like, you know, hey, you got like a high C, just need a little bit.
Yeah.
If you didn't create it in the weekend, maybe you would have done better.
You know, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Because didn't they complete this movie like back in like 2019 or 2018?
Dude, who freaking knows?
So like Patty Jenkins should have used the extra time to, I don't know, maybe add a couple
of extra things?
Yeah.
So next up we got writing.
So writing scored a 71.6.
I agree with that.
That's a bit lower than the story.
And I think the reason that is is because of a lot of the cheesy lines.
Yeah.
I mean, I guess 84.
And kind of like the logic too, just on some stuff.
I feel like, I don't know, like they could have tweaked, I guess that kind of ties into
the story a little bit, but like still with the writing, they could have, I don't know,
made things a little bit more conducive in some parts and just make a little bit more
sense.
I don't know.
Yeah.
How did you guys?
Oh, sorry, Kale.
No, you're good.
One of the things that I had some struggle with was some of the cheesy stuff with Chris
Pine's character.
So with Steve Trevor.
I think there was a lot of cheesiness with him.
And I think there's just cheesiness in general when you're putting someone from the past
in the future or in their future.
But I actually gave a point higher than I was going to strictly because of the line
when Diana and Steve are stealing the jet.
And he's just like, once we get in the air, they'll never find us.
And she's just like, oh, I need to tell you about this thing called radar.
They'll be able to find us.
He's just like, well, shit, Diane.
That was that was freaking hilarious.
That was easily the best joke of the movie.
At least for me.
No, I absolutely agree with that.
That definitely was the best joke.
So here's an example of where I felt like the writing didn't make logical sense.
So we're just all planes just sitting outside museums, just good to go, just all fueled
up and ready to take off.
Apparently, exactly.
They didn't even need a key.
Like they just got it.
OK, well, hold up, hold up, hold up.
So I worked with aircrafts while I was in the military.
Don't tell me this is possible.
Please don't.
No, no, no, no.
The whole of those planes being filled with fuel, that's absolute bullshit.
But you don't need a key to start up a jet.
OK, well, it's just one press of a button.
No, it's not like one press.
There's switches you have to flip.
But like I was going to say, it's like every new car now.
I could fly.
There's switches you have to flip.
You fucking moron.
It's like when you jump, the tone just gave.
I love it.
Yeah, like there's things that you have to turn on.
There's no key.
There's just no key.
You could seriously jump in any jet and start flipping switches and eventually you'll get
it turned on.
Is there even some sort of locking mechanism?
Would the cockpit just be open?
There's nothing for you to unlock it to get into the cockpit?
Yeah, that's a good question.
Because that's what I was kind of going with.
OK, so I'm not going to give away anything with the new jets, but the F-16, which has
been cycled out.
I'm convinced you're working for Area 51 now because he just says, not talking.
Yeah, I'm for real though.
Because he doesn't want to say it.
Just wait until you see this shit.
You fart and it opens.
No, I don't know what I'm allowed to say about the F-35, so I'm just going to assume I can
say nothing about it other than it's a really cool jet.
Caleb is going to think about the F-16.
The F-16 has been cycled out, so I'm pretty sure that's safe to talk about.
The F-16s, the way that they stored them, me being a brand new airman could walk out
on the flight line and take one if I knew how to fly it.
I could go out, I could open up the cockpit doors.
It's not hard to do.
It is not difficult at all.
But yes, absolutely, they should not be filled with fuel at a freaking museum.
Yeah, that's where I was like, what the fuck are we even doing?
At this point in the movie, I was starting to think, wait, did Diana, did her in the
stone swap powers?
Is that why she's losing her powers?
Because now she has powers of the stone so she could just wish for things?
Like jet fuel?
That's what I thought this movie was going towards.
Yeah, and freaking turning shit invisible.
When did that become a thing?
Yeah.
They just had to work in the invisible jet.
They had to work it in somehow.
You know what?
I'm glad that they did that though.
I'm glad it wasn't as cheesy as the freaking real invisible jet.
Fair enough.
But she can fly.
Yeah, but she didn't know that she could fly at that point.
That's horseshit.
Yeah, my issue with this too is that she talks about like, I did it once on a coffee cup
and I don't know, I never found it again, which was a legit laugh I got.
But like, show us that a little bit.
I mean, like, I know that this is a very slippery slope where we could go into, we didn't see
the training for invisibility, but like, asking me to believe to just fall on a jet first
time, I was like, I kind of would like to see a flashback or something.
That's one that would have been cool too.
Like, what is going on in this sequence?
Is this a fever dream?
Like what is going on?
Yeah, exactly.
And I think it would have been like you said, I think it would have been nice to see earlier
in the movie, like maybe that's not a skill that she just did randomly 50 years ago.
Maybe it's something that she was like practicing to do at the beginning of the movie while
she's sitting alone at home.
Yeah, or just like hers be like, oh, you know, I went through the 60s, a weird time, I learned
how to make sure that invisible, I'll explain it later.
Like, you know, kind of thing.
But yeah, I mean, you know, I would like to see a little bit because there could have
been really cool moments there for that.
I don't know.
Yeah, the writing with this movie, it was just lacking in for in one, it was lacking
in any sense of reality.
Like, who I want to know who the hell thought it was a good idea to make the lasso just
like a frickin McGuffin.
Like anything that she needed the lasso to do it.
It did it frickin wrapped itself around a bullet like once and she was able to throw
it back at someone.
I'm calling absolute horse shit on that.
Did it?
I haven't seen the first Wonder Woman in a very long time.
So correct me if I'm wrong.
But did she have a shield in that movie?
Yes, she does.
Yes.
So where was that shield in this?
I would I mean, yeah, for real, that would have even had in Batman v Superman.
Yeah, I mean, she could have both a shield and the lasso like that would have been badass.
I don't.
Yeah, like I don't remember it breaking or anything.
It was in Batman v Superman.
Yeah, because she had it in and it was also in Justice League.
I guess we're forgetting they outlawed shields in the 80s.
I don't know.
But I would like to see that apparently.
Yeah, like, I mean, come on.
There's just so much that they could have done to just justify it a little bit better.
Mm hmm.
Like Invisible Jet, go to a frickin airport.
Like that's all you had to do.
Just change the museum to airport.
You're getting too close there to like 9-11 territory there.
If you go to airport and steal an airplane, that's why they didn't do that.
I guarantee it.
Okay.
Yeah, that one.
I think it's been long enough.
I don't know, buddy.
I don't know.
Okay, I don't.
What's the phrase?
Never forget.
That's it.
Yeah, that's like for like, I feel it's sometimes like too soon for even like anything revolving
around Columbine.
So it's probably way too soon for 9-11.
All right.
Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I mean, we already established that, but I'm just kidding.
But either, okay, listen.
Or just not do the Invisible Jet.
Either way.
Just not do the Invisible Jet.
I'm just saying.
I mean, yeah, that's an option too.
Or save that for the third movie or I don't know.
It just, whatever.
There we go.
Yeah.
Shit.
I will say though that this whole Invisible Jet scene, it was visually very cool when
they're flying through the fireworks.
Like this was, this looked very, like visually pleasing.
It was really cool.
I will say, I will say very cool shot.
And you can tell that was like 99% of why they did this.
Like this would be just a really cool shot to do it.
And we got to get the Invisible Jet in there for the fans, super fans, I guess.
Yeah.
And I'm glad they did.
I think they did an amazing job with that effect specifically.
Which we'll get into with effects.
But when it comes to writing, another thing that I think that was lacking, we didn't see,
I don't, I mean, I don't think we did.
I don't remember seeing a transformation scene for Cheetah.
Oh, did she just, you're right.
She kind of did just like cut to Cheetah.
Yeah.
That was it, right?
Yeah.
It was just bam.
Yeah.
Like he was just, so you see Pedro Pascale's character saying like, oh, I want, like I'm
taking this from you.
I'm taking this from you while he's doing his like crazy touching the world through
video.
Through broadcast?
I still am not clear on what his plan was.
Like I understand why he was kind of an evil guy, but I'm not, what was his end game?
I'm still fuzzy on that.
Quieting the Zoom.
Yeah, see, like it's a little bit enough.
I didn't quite get what his end game was.
Yeah.
His.
I think he wanted to be someone that his son could look up to.
But then it just, it went too far.
Okay.
Speaking of his son, how did you guys feel the writing was between Max and what was his
son, Alastair?
I did not really like it at all.
I don't know.
His son was kind of annoying.
Dude, I lot.
So the only scene that I was like, aww with the son was the first one where you see him
get, where you see Pager or Maxwell get called a loser.
And then the kid is just standing there like on the verge of tears.
And I'm just like, oh my gosh.
Okay.
Yeah.
That's devastating.
But even when they, even when she's just like.
I actually gave a bonus.
I gave a bonus point in acting for that scene alone.
I'm like, that kid deserves it.
But even like at the end when they come together again and he's just like, oh, I've never thought
you were a bad dad and all this shit.
And I'm, I don't know.
I'm just like, this is kind of like boring, annoying.
And I feel like no motion at all.
Maybe I'm a jackass here, but.
Again, it's just like a cheesy eighties comic brought to life.
And that's like why so much of this is just super cheesy.
I was kind of annoyed when we just randomly see, what was the system name?
Alastair.
Just, we just.
Yeah.
And towards the end of the movie, like what brings Pedro back to the light is that we
get like this vision of Alastair just aimlessly walking through the streets and traffic and
stuff is exploding and stuff like that.
I don't know.
I was kind of, it threw me out of the movie.
I went, how did that kid wind up on like this interstate exit ramp?
Like what is going on?
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
I want to know how he ended up on a white house lawn.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It felt cheap.
It felt like it was a cheap way to try to grab at like your heartstrings or whatever.
And I just, I didn't, I did not care for that specifically.
Just him walking on the interstate or whatever.
I don't know.
No, I agree.
It didn't work.
Yeah, it did.
They could have done that 10 different ways or a hundred different ways would have been
a lot better.
I think there was a lot of poor decision making with the, like, like with Diana and everything.
Like the White House fight scene between her and Barbara.
I think that the conversation that was being had when Diana was thrown up against the wall,
like she was just like sit like laying there.
I'm like, it looks like she gave up.
Well, yeah, but she was also like, getting pretty powerless at that point.
Yeah.
But I mean, Wonder Woman is just kind of like the inspiring, like till the end kind of vibe,
I would feel like.
So it felt weird for her to just be like laying there.
Yeah.
But I mean, I get what you're saying.
Like she's till the end kind of person, but that's like when she actually has her powers
to in that scene, honestly, she was basically like, she was like laying up against the wall
when she was dealing with Maxwell.
And who knows what the hell he was standing in with that damn light.
For real, though, I think a lot of this kind of plays into some stuff that you pointed
out, Caleb, about how the it was like the original comic or the TV shows, how she was
able to kind of sort of beat her or conquer her adversaries through like reason and discussion.
And I've heard that Patty Jenkins, that was a goal of her for this movie.
She had like two check marks that she wanted to do.
Maybe there's a third one because there's always a rule of three and I just forgot it.
But her two check marks were that she didn't want anybody to die.
No major characters in this movie died.
And also she wanted she didn't want there to be a final battle.
Like there she Diana didn't have to beat Maxwell by physically fighting him.
She reasoned him out of it.
And that was like that was like Patty Jenkins.
She says she did.
That was like her mission of this movie was to use that as how she wins the day by discussion.
She thought it was like important to have that in this and also kind of like a challenge
for her.
But since you brought up that's how the source material was, I wonder if it was more of an
homage to that than the latter or the other thing.
I like I have no issue with like how how she ended up beating him.
It's just his plan and like being in the that spotlight and whatever felt odd.
And I think that I would have preferred for her to instead of like trying to like whip
his leg.
I think I would have preferred for her to walk through the craziness like the the tornado
that was happening in that room.
I would have preferred for her to walk through that and then like grab him and then wrap
the lasso around his arm and then show him the truth.
So it's like they're face to face.
Like I would have preferred something more along those lines just because I felt like
that would have been like more like a heroic moment instead of her being like at a super
far distance with a with the lasso.
And yeah, I think it's just there's just something about that confrontation.
And I think we got cheated from that because she was trying to go for a non confrontational
ending.
And I think Wonder Woman she does confront things like head on.
It's just in a different way like Superman's going to go freaking head to head punching
some dude.
Wonder Woman is going to go is going to face to face conversation like freaking hit you
with the hard truth.
It's been a while since I've seen this movie because I watched it on Christmas Day.
But isn't she also not talking to him?
She's like using like she's broadcasting her voice through him to the rest of the world
to tell everyone else to renounce their she's talking to him.
How the hell is she doing that too?
Yeah, she's Wonder Woman man.
I mean, I don't know how else to explain it.
The lasso was connected.
I don't know.
That's like the most explanation I want for this movie.
That's why I think the whole face to face thing would have worked better because then
it could be like she's right next to him.
And so everything she's saying is getting broadcast to everyone else.
And it's not like at a distance.
Proximity is important for Caleb.
I like it.
Fair enough.
Yeah, just like when it comes to like heroic moments, you don't want to like you never
want to see your hero take someone on from a distance.
It's just you want them to be upfront with them.
Like it's true.
At least that's how how I feel.
Like I'm trying like I'm thinking it didn't feel like a real moment.
Yeah, you're right.
It it didn't have it didn't land a metaphorical punch.
Yeah.
And like I'm thinking back to like Winter Soldier, the final scene between Captain America
and Winter Soldier, they're face to face.
And Captain America is is basically kind of doing this.
He's reasoning, like trying to reason with with Bucky.
And it's that face to face.
Like I don't think it would have had the same impact had Captain America been up on a stand.
Like at a distance, like I'm with you and they're like super far apart.
Or with.
Let's see.
Oh, OK.
With Thor and Thanos in Infinity War, face to face, like it's always like up close.
Like I feel like the only time that they do things at a distance is when there's like
a sniper involved.
So that's just something that I wish that they would have done.
I feel like that heroic moment, like you've said, would would be more of like a punch.
Yeah, it's a good point.
So definitely can see why this scored lower than story.
Yeah, because there's like kind of a story there, but there's not that much writing there.
I don't know.
Well, the writing, like we involve like the logic of everything, and I think the whole
invisible jet being fueled up enough to go across the world is is enough.
Yeah, it felt like there was a lot of like half baked ideas of like somebody running
into the room, but like, guys, we got to get the invisible jet in.
Just write it in or, you know.
Yeah.
All right.
Next up, we got acting.
So I'm assuming you guys, I did like the four main Chris Pine, Gal Gadot, Pedro Pascal and
Kristen Wiig.
Yep.
So who do you guys think did the best out of everyone?
Like scared to say.
I do.
Okay, well, I'm going to say I really liked both.
I don't know which one I have ahead, but I really like both Pedro Pascal and Kristen
Wiig in this.
I might get some flack for saying Kristen Wiig in the top part of this, but it was mainly
when she turned evil.
I like really liked her because the first half of the movie, she's just being Kristen
Wiig from SNL the whole time.
I got more of a oh, sorry.
No, no, no, go ahead.
You know, at the beginning, she like seriously felt like her character, Aaron Gilbert in
Ghostbusters.
Yeah.
I was like, okay, is this literally how she is in every single movie?
Yeah.
When she plays like a nerdy kind of character.
Yeah, I was kind of like, yeah, you're Kristen Wiig.
You're really funny.
We all get it.
Like you were on SNL for a long time.
You're a very funny comedian.
I love you.
Give me something else, you know, but we did kind of get, we did kind of get other stuff
when she started to turn and especially like when she went to the gym for the, which was
just a crazy scene.
Like she goes in like that swimsuit or whatever.
It was kind of like, whoa, okay, we are in the gym.
But I really did like her though when she started, when she did turn, because I'd like
Kristen Wiig being evil.
I thought she did a good job until she became a CGI character.
In Pedro Pascal, he is just chewing the scenery in this.
He's just having a ball like you can just tell he's just like, I finally have that helmet
off from the Mandalorian and I am just going to use every inch of my face and my hair and
my highlights and just wave it all around.
Like I was kind of digging his flamboyantness in this.
I really liked it.
Yeah, I have actually total agreement with you.
Pedro Pascal, I think, blew out of the water.
He was actually the top spot for me.
I think the way that I ranked it was Pedro Pascal, Gal Gadot, then Chris Pine, then Kristen
Wiig, but the margins were fairly close.
It's just because like, oh, well, actually I might put Chris Pine at the bottom now that
I'm like thinking about it.
I can accept that as well.
A little bit more.
But yeah, I think that's how I would have ranked it.
I loved Pedro Pascal and like the freaking memes that came from this.
Life is good, but it could be better.
Oh, that meme is so great.
Oh my God.
Like he's such an underrated actor.
He is.
He's doing such a good job.
Sorry, you go ahead, Rose.
No, I don't know.
For me, I'm going to be different than you guys.
I'm actually going to put Kristen Wiig at the top for me.
I loved her performance up until like you said, Brucker, when she became a CGI character.
The reason why she's higher though for me than Pedro Pascal, it's like neck and neck,
but what dropped Pedro for me is, I don't know, every single scene he had with his son,
I don't know.
I just couldn't get on board with it.
And that's not really his fault.
But it's just, I don't know.
That just like knocked him down a little bit for me.
But I agree with you guys, like how flamboyant he was being, all the movements he was doing.
Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, animated.
I loved it.
Like you said, he took advantage of not having to have the Mandalorian helmet on and he was
fantastic in this.
And then I don't know, I can't just, it'd probably be Gal Gadot and then Chris Pine
as much as I hate to put Chris Pine at the bottom, Gal Gadot still did have a little
bit more to do.
Kind of stinks putting Wonder Woman herself at third, but I think I just like those characters
a little more.
They definitely did a better job at establishing villains in this movie than heroes.
Exactly.
Yeah, I think because of what you just said, that makes sense for why Wonder Woman would
be kind of like in the middle of the pack for this.
Yeah.
I think that honestly, I feel like the Cheetah fight could have been pulled from this movie
completely.
Considering it was all spoiled in the trailer.
Was there that?
Yes.
I mean, it's just like, what was the purpose?
The purpose was that she was coming down in the armor, gets the armor fricking beat to
shit and then nothing comes of that fight.
Yeah, the purpose was solely for the armor.
I feel like they have a conversation.
They had to give her some sort of physical adversary so that way she had an excuse to
wear that armor, which I'm pretty sure we can all admit, it looked super dope.
It looked really cool, but that's the best thing about that is that the armor looked
cool.
The fight, I kind of agree with you.
I felt like we didn't need it.
We probably still could have had the fight.
We just didn't need her to be a wild animal for it.
Yeah, and especially the scene where Wonder Woman electrocutes Cheetah.
You pointed out with Patty Jenkins, she didn't want anyone to die.
The fact that Cheetah doesn't die, I'm like, okay, so then what the hell is the point?
What was she saying sorry for?
Yeah.
Like, I don't get it.
Yeah, that whole thing.
I feel like that could have been, I think Wonder Woman could have tried discussing
things or trying to make an argument with her, but it seemed like she's just like, Barbara,
what did you do?
Fight, fight, fight.
Stop it.
This isn't who you are.
Fight, fight, fight.
Electrocute shit.
You leave me no choice.
Electrocute, bam.
Yep.
Yeah, and then that's it.
That's all that came from that fight.
It was kind of like, I don't know if you all have seen George Lucas, his behind the scenes
stuff for Revenge of the Sith, but the final duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin.
He said, I cheated a lot in the writing.
I just wrote a lot of, and they fight in the script.
He comes out and he's like, I just wrote a lot of, and they fight.
So that's what that reminded me.
You saying that is kind of like what this was.
And they fight.
And they say, how did you do this?
And they do this.
Yeah.
Like, I don't, like, the reason I put Kristen Wiig a little bit lower on my ratings is because
it didn't feel like that was Kristen Wiig.
First off, it doesn't look like her.
And they don't talk.
I mean, I feel it's kind of not supposed to look like her.
It's supposed to feel like she actually is an official Apex animal.
She's fully gone, animal form.
Barbara is completely gone.
But she's still humanoid.
She still has a human face.
At least that part should have looked like Kristen Wiig.
Yeah.
I'll give him this, though.
I'll give you that.
I will absolutely give you that.
So our collective score together on acting came to an 81.6.
Damn, all right.
Like, that's not bad.
I'm happy.
Yeah.
I'm actually the one that was the harshest on acting.
So what'd you give it, Caleb?
What did I end up giving it?
One second.
I gave it a 78.
Shit.
Yeah.
And then you gave it the highest with an 85 and then Brucker gave it an 82.
Okay.
Like I said, I feel I was maybe, like, a little too nice.
I actually thought I gave it a 90 for a minute.
Nobody's being, like, considered for a nomination of an Oscar from this movie.
I mean, like, they did, like, they got the job done.
And I feel like that's with a little bit more shoosh or zoosh from Pedro Pascal.
If anyone does get nominated, it should be Chris Pine for his, well, shit, Diana.
No, what about that little girl at the beginning with the wink to Wonder Woman?
That's who should be nominated.
Oh, my gosh.
Come on.
She was the show stealer.
All right, moving on to character development.
This actually got a fairly average score.
It got a 74.
Okay.
Might be a little higher than, that's like a tad higher than what I had, but.
Yeah, it's actually.
Let me guess, I was the nicest to this one.
Yep, you were.
Of course.
And that's fine.
I'm a walker.
There's nothing wrong with that.
I mean, to me, for character development, it was very minimal at that.
It was mostly Pedro Pascal and Kristen Wiig kind of like Kristen Wiig.
We saw her development to Cheetah, but I'm like, we didn't really see it come back around
either.
I don't think.
That's true.
No, we didn't see it come.
Like we didn't see like the full transition because we, we skipped out on the transformation
scene altogether.
It's just suddenly she's a Cheetah.
Well, I mean, we, we, we definitely see her fall, like going down that path and to where
she gets to the point where she wants to become an apex predator.
And I feel like at that point, I mean, when she asked for that wish, which like I will
say is a dumb wish, but I think the logic behind it is that she had just conquered Diana,
who she wished to be in combat.
And she's like, okay, I've beaten my hero.
I'm using air quotes here.
So I got to be something better.
I want to be an apex predator.
Did they literally need to make her a Cheetah?
No, but I kind of, I could, I could follow those points in that character development
where like mentally how she got to that point, I could follow that clearly.
I think I just don't see it coming back.
Yeah.
So the question for you guys is when Pedro Pesca or Max, right?
That's his name.
I was just calling Pedro Pascal's character the whole time.
I don't know.
Pedro Pascal's character.
I saw this on Christmas guys.
I'm sorry.
No, you're good, man.
You're good.
I even, I don't remember it and I watched it two days ago.
But when Pedro, you know, like when Kristen Wake says, oh, you know, I want to be an apex
predator.
And he's just like, doesn't he say your wish has been granted?
Yeah.
Do you, do you wish that you would have actually started to see her transformation and maybe
see like Kristen Wig, like maybe like resent her choice a little bit because of like, maybe
like I'm assuming it was very painful.
We just see a tail out of her pants.
She's like, Oh no, I wish it undone.
I wish it undone.
So one, so I listened to another podcast, Dynamic Duel and it's like Marvel versus DC.
So they actually did a, an episode where they did kind of an origin of Cheetah.
They put her in a duel against Rhino from Marvel.
Interesting.
And so like the way that they do it, they, they give like a quick origin of the character.
And I was like, after listening to the origin, I was really excited for this because the
way that Cheetah becomes Cheetah is she gets her powers from the, the, that God.
So the God that created the dream stone, that's who she gets her powers from.
So I think that like a better way to incorporate Cheetah would have been to, and obviously
this would have gone against Patty Jenkins wishes and had like a final battle.
I think it would have been cool for Wonder Woman to beat Maxwell Lord, basically get,
like get all the wishes taken back and then having Barbara make a deal with that God.
And then that's how she becomes Cheetah.
Cause that's like, she, I think that's how, if I'm remembering correctly, I think that's
how it happened in her origin.
She gets possessed by, or she gets, gets her powers given to her by this God who's like
the impersonation of a, or personification of a Cheetah.
Interesting.
But it's also the God of like the lies and deception.
So kind of the same person as the, the same God that created the dream stone.
That would have been cool to get a little bit more insight into that in this movie.
That sounds really interesting.
That is.
But like I said, that would have gone against what Patty was going for.
So probably not what she wanted to do.
And I know we keep talking about Patty Jenkins, but can we, cause I don't think that this
is a category, can we agree that it's like directed well?
Like there's nothing, I felt like nothing extremely wrong with the direction.
It was like kind of like the stuff that we've been talking about, like the writing and the
story and things like that have been kind of like the major flaws of this movie so far.
Yeah, I can absolutely agree with that.
I think Patty did a really good job.
Cause I mean, like there are like things of this movie I do enjoy.
I mean, right now we're kind of like, you know, going through this stuff that like,
you know, why did that, what led to our average to mediocre scoring?
And so we got to bring out the, the negative things, but you know, there were some good
stuff.
There was some good stuff about this.
Yeah.
There absolutely was like a 74 still passing.
Yeah.
I think that's still fresh on Rotten Tomatoes.
I think not the best.
Yeah.
Wait, did you say it is still fresh on Rotten Tomatoes?
I think I could be wrong.
I don't, I don't know.
What's a, what's a fresh score on Rotten Tomatoes?
60 or higher.
Yeah.
So yeah.
That's, so 74 is right in line with it's still a fresh score.
What's funny is 74 is the audience score, 60 is the critic score.
Interesting.
So it's barely made it.
Let's see if it drops.
Sorry.
I didn't mean to derail us.
I was, I just kind of just wanted to, in case people were getting the assumption that we
were kind of just using this as like a Patty Jenkins slam.
That's not, I don't think what we're trying to do here.
No, no, not at all.
Yeah.
Cause the direction of that was funny.
That's kind of why we don't, yeah, that's kind of why we don't talk about like the direction
is just because I know that the directors have a lot of, get a lot of feedback and input
from the studio, from like the corporate.
So I think they were also kind of the ones that pushed some stuff in that maybe she was,
she didn't want to do.
So it's kind of like giving her an out more or less on like why we don't talk about the
direction.
But yeah, but I kind of agree with it.
Like with the character development, we've been talking about the villains.
We haven't really talked about Wonder Woman and I think that's because her character development
is like, it's almost absent.
I mean, kind of is, yeah.
Maybe she kind of, again, I feel the biggest.
Her development is the truth thing is like realizing that her wish is not truth and giving
that up.
Like that's the most development she has.
Yeah, that's literally it.
And I feel like that's held together by like bubble gum and paper clips.
Like I feel like it's not a real strong story or her arc.
I mean, like we do with the two villains, they have a pretty strong clear path that
we're following and maybe it's just because we're kind of stuck with them for most of
the movie.
Yeah.
So I think 74 is really good score.
I could live with it.
If you're incorporating everyone.
But Alistair, what did he learn?
Did he, I don't know, pass his spelling test or whatever the hell kids are going through
these days?
I don't know.
Did he learn his dad is an a loser's actually?
Yeah, he did say that.
Like he wished for his father's greatness.
Like what got taken away from him?
Like that would that would suck.
I guess his mom, because we never see his mom in this movie.
Or that babysitter does what he's on the interstate.
She got Thanos.
Just dusted like that.
So effects was actually a little bit higher than character development.
So effects got a 74.3.
Oh, okay.
I thought the effects were okay.
Yeah.
It mostly lost points for me with Cheetah.
There were some parts with like Wonder Woman jumping around or like some parts with The
Last of the Truth did not look completely realistic.
Yeah, I guess it just depends what kind of TV you watch this on.
Maybe I didn't watch it on a good TV.
I the few visual effects moments that stood out to me, one of them was when she was learning
how to fly.
I actually really dug how that looked.
That looked really good.
I thought that was freaking beautifully done.
Yeah, I agree.
I also gave some like major bonus points for the flying through the fireworks.
So I thought that was good.
The things that I docked for was when they were in Egypt and she sees these kids about
to get ran over by the freaking trucks and she goes and does a swing around them.
The kids are running and if you notice while she's swinging down, she fully grabs one kid
with the bulk of her arm and then there's another kid that the one at the end kind of
like glitches into her hands.
And then she goes and they do a tumble and then the kids are fine.
Those kids would be dead.
Seriously.
They just got hit by a full grown woman flying at a half past.
I docked for that and I also docked for Cheetah because I thought Cheetah looked like garbage.
I actually didn't mind Cheetah.
I thought Cheetah looked all right.
I didn't hate her.
I think it could have been better.
Oh, another thing I missed.
Yeah, another thing I missed.
Wonder Woman running in Egypt when she was running down the street.
That looked like that good.
That didn't bug me.
That did not.
There was too much slow motion.
There was way too much slow motion.
It was really cool though when they got that slow motion of her flipping through or out
of one of the trucks and the truck is flipping and everything.
She's like flying through.
That part was cool.
That looked really cool.
Okay, yeah, that was cool.
That was way cool.
But her running.
Yeah, it kind of looked like she was just on a treadmill.
She probably was.
I mean, Gal Gadot was probably on a treadmill though, like in front of a green screen.
Yeah, good point.
I would laugh so hard if they flew her out to Egypt just to put a treadmill on that road.
That would be amazing.
Worth it.
Yeah.
I wish that they would have gone...
Have you guys seen how they did the...
It's the scene in Civil War where Black Panther and Winter Soldier drop into that tunnel and
start running.
Have you guys seen how they do that?
So they're just dragging a pad and then they're running on the pad.
I think that would have been more effective than whatever the hell they did in this movie.
I wonder if there's any sort of...
Like you said, it was probably...
Oh, I'm sorry.
I was just going to say, I wonder if there's any sort of animosity towards Marvel.
We're not doing how they do their stunts.
Nope, we're not doing anything that Marvel does.
We're not going to be copycats or whatever.
Oh, that's so petty.
That is so petty.
How do they get Captain America to run so fast?
Well, that's fucking stupid.
We'll do it better.
I need 20 grand for a Peloton.
I need 20...
Oh, shit.
It was shit like that that I'm just like, eh.
That's why she doesn't have her shield in this movie because they don't want to be like
Captain America.
I'm just kidding.
But yeah.
That makes sense to me.
Yeah, so I think a 74 is pretty good.
Honestly, I think that's maybe a bit high just because of the stuff that I didn't like.
Just because of the running?
That just would really kill...
That and Cheetah.
Cheetah, I didn't like Cheetah.
I liked her.
This is me though.
There was a reason why that fight was during dusk when it was dark.
Fair enough.
They were trying to hide it.
Crocker actually gave it the highest score.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, Cheetah was my main thing.
Other than that, I thought the rest of it was fine for the most part.
At least I didn't see anything that was obvious, but the running was kind of wonky.
Yeah, so I think 74 is fair.
Moving on to music, we unanimously gave it a 7.
Right on.
You know what would have given this a higher score?
If they played some 80s music.
Why wasn't there any 80s music in this 80s movie?
For real though.
Exactly.
They spent all their money on that Egyptian Peloton.
I just don't know why they didn't do that.
Even the Wonder Woman score, I don't feel like that was...
It didn't seem or feel as epic as it had.
I personally didn't have too many complaints about it, but I have heard other movie reviewers
say that her theme music didn't fit with the rest of the theatrical score of this movie.
It just felt like they had to put it in there because that's her score and they didn't try
to adjust it to sound 80s at all and that's what they should have done.
So I've heard a lot of those criticisms.
I would have been perfectly happy had they just played her normal score where it was
like the electric guitar when she makes her appearance in Batman v Superman.
I think that was so cool and I think that epicness would have worked really well because
that electric guitar almost sounds a little bit techno.
A little bit.
Fair.
Just like a hint of techno to it.
I think it would have translated really well, but they went with a more different style
of playing it and I didn't like it as much.
But yeah, I think this would have done really well with an 80s soundtrack.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
This would have made people love it, I think.
Because people would have been like, oh who cares, I got to listen to Prince for two and
a half hours.
Yeah.
And I remember listening to your episode on Star Wars, that's what saved Star Wars.
Everyone was just like, oh this story sucks, but then they throw the music in and they're
like, this is epic.
The story doesn't suck, but it would have sucked as a whole if they had crazy techno
music.
I had to make sure that you didn't drag my name through the mud like that, Caleb, you
bastard.
But yeah.
Wait, which Star Wars was it that you were in?
A New Hope, the first one.
Oh, okay.
I thought it was going to be like The Last Jedi or The Rise of Skywalker.
No.
Caleb still gives me shif for like The Rise of Skywalker.
I'm glad you caught that.
Yes, there are some things in that story that don't make too much sense, but everybody has
memed the shit out of it so like, we get it.
Star Wars is a great movie, but anyways.
Moving on to costumes, we also unanimous, gosh damn it, unanimously agreed that it deserved
an eight.
This was like the most lazy eight I think I could have given this because I don't know,
I was like, there was a fanny pack, I guess that's 80s, put an eight on it.
I don't know.
Like Wonder Woman's costumes look good.
It's not like crazy hairstyles, or at least from what I saw, or at least as crazy as I
thought they were going to be.
Expected crazier.
Yeah.
The one, like the couple improvements that I really liked, I liked how they lightened
up her armor.
Yeah, it was a lot brighter.
A lot brighter colors.
I think it made it, like with the mall scene specifically, I think that her armor like
freaking popped.
Yeah, badass.
And that's because Zack Schneider isn't directing this.
Because he likes everything to be dark and gray, he doesn't want you to think about
sunlight, like he just wants everything to be so just monotone.
If he could make his movies black and white, he would do it.
Oh yeah, I'm sure he would.
I know that I gave it shit when we first saw the trailer with her gold armor.
I actually really liked it.
It's super cool.
I did too.
Even without the wings, it was really cool.
I actually preferred it without the wings.
I did too.
When she like freaking threw off the wings, I know she did in the trailer, but that scene
so badass.
I loved it.
Yeah, and I think I liked the final look of that armor that I liked.
The way that that armor was that I liked the most was without the helmet and without the
wings.
Yeah.
Now that person drives an invisible jet.
That person right there.
You wear a suit of gold.
That's a golden jumpsuit is what you're wearing.
I believe you'd fly an invisible jet.
What's cool is that Gal Gadot actually, or Gal Gadot, what's her name?
She actually kept that helmet.
She very rarely keeps movie memorabilia, but she felt that she needed to keep that one.
That's a big piece to keep.
Yeah.
Dude, I don't understand why she didn't keep the Wonder Woman armor.
Oh, I bet she has like eight of those from like Batman vs Superman.
Wait, what was that?
I said I bet she has a few of those from Batman vs Superman or the original Wonder Woman.
Yeah, probably.
That's fair.
She's probably like Chris Hemsworth with Thor hammers.
Oh my gosh.
Chris Hemsworth has like a shit ton of them.
Can you blame the guy though?
Absolutely not.
Yeah.
So an eight is good.
It's above average.
It wasn't bad, that's the thing.
It wasn't bad.
I think that eighties.
Yeah, exactly.
I think the one that really stood out with her costumes was Kristen Wiig.
That's true.
Her freaking gym outfit was hilarious.
Yes.
And it was funny because that's what people actually used to wear.
True.
Did you guys catch that one big bulky guy in the back?
I was just about to say that.
Like how skin tight his tank top was.
Like you know he wanted people to see his nipples.
Yeah.
Like come on.
There's no doubt about that.
I am also now remembering all of like the Gallup scenes that we had and Diana is in
these super really fancy hoity toity Gallup dresses and gowns and stuff and I was just
like, oh yeah, that was really good too.
Like all of that stuff.
Yeah her white dress at that party looked amazing.
Yeah.
So, I'm now remembering why I gave this an eight.
I think we can all agree Gal Gadot some major eye candy through this movie.
Damn straight.
I wasn't going to say this but I was going to say I bet that's why she doesn't have
a Wonder Woman outfit at home because she knows that like her husband or whatever would
make her wear it or like ask for it in extracurriculars.
So she's like, you know what, I'm bringing the helmet home.
There's nothing sexy about a helmet.
For real though?
He'd probably find a way to make it sexy.
Let's face it.
Dude, if I would.
Gosh, like if I were in his situation and she didn't bring home a Wonder Woman outfit,
I would cry.
Gosh.
Could you imagine like she comes home one day and he's like, she hears him scrambling
and then she walks in the room, says like, what are you doing?
He's like nothing.
She turns the TV on with like a remote that she has and he's watching Wonder Woman.
It's like, well, this is the best I can get.
You won't bring your work home to me.
Oh my Lord.
I chose bedtime to swallow.
Yeah, you did.
Oh my gosh.
Oh Jesus.
And I bet the same happens for like other people too.
Like I'm pretty sure Chris Evans has been asked to be like, hey, dude, where's your
shield man?
I bet you that's been like euphemism for like if he has protection before.
I bet you somebody has like used that for him.
Oh my gosh.
That's funny.
Dude, one of my like this is I'll bring it up later.
Before we finish up this breakdown, we have our personal grades and our personal grades
averaged out to a 78.3.
Oh wow.
That's not bad.
So everyone want to share their final thoughts on this movie?
Brooker would you like to go first?
Okay.
So I know that we've had a lot of criticisms of this movie and this movie does have a lot
of flaws with it.
It's not a perfect movie, but at the end of the day, I had a lot of fun with it.
I wasn't really bored throughout it.
So I mean, and that's what the bare minimum I expect a movie to do is to just at least
make sure it's fun and entertaining.
So I give this like a high C grade, like a high 70.
I went with a 77.
And I don't think this movie deserves all of like the trash talk it's been getting,
but if you don't like it, that's okay.
It is absolutely way too long though.
This needs to be cut down to 100 to 120 minutes max.
This has no business being two and a half hours, but I mean, it's like a really fine
C plus movie.
So that's kind of my final say on it.
Yeah.
Rose?
Brooker basically just said it all best.
The first one is definitely a lot better, but I feel this was a decent follow-up.
I feel Patty Jenkins had a lot to live up to from the first one.
And unfortunately she didn't deliver on everything, but for the most part, like Brooker said,
it's a fun movie.
I had a really good time.
I was never bored.
Gal Gadot or is it Gadot or Gadot?
It's Gadot.
Never.
No, it's Gadot.
Okay.
Gal Gadot is once again amazing as Wonder Woman.
I loved her.
Everyone that came back is amazing.
The new cast is really good.
Yeah, overall, like I think it's a decent sequel.
And I believe I gave it a strong 80.
So yeah.
This is, I think this movie would have been better well received had this come out before
the first Wonder Woman.
Because the first Wonder Woman, I think the stakes were like really high.
It's just like the stakes were high in this.
It just didn't feel like it for some reason.
It's very true.
I can't put my finger on it.
Would I, sorry, can I, can I just add one thing, Cale to your comment?
I kind of look at this movie as what some people think Avengers Age of Ultron is to
the first Avengers that you got such a great first film.
And with the second one, you were expecting so much, but yet it wasn't able to deliver
on everything.
If anything, it tried to accomplish too much.
I can definitely agree with that.
It is definitely the Age of Ultron to the Avengers.
That's a really good comparison.
Yeah, it's good.
It's a movie you could definitely poke a lot of holes in, but it doesn't detract from how
good of a movie it is.
It is one that's entertaining.
It's a good movie, even though critically speaking it's not the best.
It's not an A plus movie.
But the score that it actually did get, so the final score for Wonder Woman 1984 is a
C plus.
I need to get a drum.
That's not bad.
I think that's pretty accurate.
I think that's pretty fair for this.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
Yeah, so it scored a 77.7%.
Hey, that's not bad.
That is not bad.
So Brucker damn near hit it right on the head.
Yeah, no kidding.
The thing that kind of...
I think...
Oh, I'm sorry.
No, you're good.
Okay, so I have a question for you guys.
The thing that kind of drove me nuts was just how much hate that this was getting online.
It's okay if you don't like a movie, but I just didn't get how people were saying that
this movie was garbage.
Did people forget about Suicide Squad and Batman versus Superman in Justice League?
For real though.
And I actually feel I'm one of the few that like Justice League actually.
I like it too.
Well, it's not that shitty Batman versus Superman and it was more fun.
So whatever.
But no, this is better than Justice League and it's not that awful of a sequel.
So much better than Justice League.
Yeah.
Like scores better.
Yeah.
I would put this in line with Aquaman.
I would actually put this above Aquaman for me.
Who's that?
Sorry, guys.
Aquaman just like goes down for me.
So here's my question for you two.
Wonder Woman 1984, Suicide Squad and Batman versus Superman.
How would you rank those three?
Number one, Wonder Woman 84.
Number two, Batman v Superman and then number three, Suicide Squad.
That's the same.
Same.
Yeah.
Okay.
So like it's yeah, exactly.
It's all breathe here.
Yeah.
Christ.
So comparing this movie to other C plus movies.
So this everything that I'm about to list off is C plus.
So this is point one percent lower than the babysitter killer queen.
It is like since we were talking about Aquaman, it is point four percent higher than Aquaman.
Yes.
I'm happy.
There you go.
I also it's a I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
No, no, you're on.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
What was I going to say?
So the other one that we had, it's which I think I forget who was hating on it.
I think it might have been you.
It is two percent lower than Scott Pilgrim versus the world.
Oof.
Yeah.
Point two percent lower than tag.
I don't know.
We scored tag that high.
Damn.
Yeah.
I watched tag on the airplane.
Let's see, point eight percent lower than the strangers prey at night.
Wait, it's lower than that movie?
No.
Wonder Woman's higher.
Oh, OK.
I was going to say, OK, no, no, no, no, no.
The strangers prey at night is seventy seven point one.
Wonder Woman seventy seven point seven.
Oh, OK.
All right.
Pieces are stored.
Same with Boondock Saints.
Boondock Saints is at seventy seven point one.
OK.
It's two percent lower than Jexy.
OK.
I still enjoy that.
One percent lower than Jumanji the next level.
Two percent lower than Aladdin the remake.
So this was lower than Aladdin?
Yeah.
I agree with that.
Yeah.
Aladdin's seventy nine.
OK.
Seventy seven, seventy nine.
What's the difference?
This might be one I disagree with.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to agree as well.
This one I'm about to read is one I disagree with.
OK.
It is so Wonder Woman 1984 is higher than Spider-Man.
The first Sam Raimi movie.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to have to disagree with that one too.
Yeah.
I was about to say, because on Ryan Tomatoes, it has a audience score.
Spider-Man has an audience score of sixty seven.
Wonder Woman 84 has a down audience score of seventy four.
I mean, I know it's close.
It's still enjoyable.
OK, so Spider-Man is seventy seven point five.
And then Wonder Woman seventy seven point seven.
So it's point two.
Oh, shit.
It's a point two percent difference.
But Wonder Woman is higher.
OK.
Damn.
And what killed Spider-Man was the frickin writing.
Dude, that's an airtight script.
I don't know what you're talking about.
I'm just kidding.
But yeah, that's.
Dude, are you shitting me?
I fucking love that Spider-Man movie.
Would you believe.
So I don't know.
Have you seen Tenet yet?
No, not yet.
OK.
Well, I just bought it on Blu-ray and I've watched it.
It's it's it's good.
It's very confusing, but give it a few watches.
And it's it's I mean, it's a well produced and made movie.
And you know, it's a Chris Nolan movie on Ron Tomatoes.
Tenet has a seventy six Wonder Woman seventy four.
So like that's kind of like where it's still like scoring is in that range.
Like we think of our on Tomatoes C movie, Chris Nolan, Tenet movie still sliding in
there.
Yeah.
OK.
Quick question for you, Brooker.
When you were watching it at home, did you have to have the subtitles on?
Yes.
I've heard it's very hard to hear it.
OK.
I think it's Chris Nolan movie just to start off with, because he for some reason, you
know, fair enough, he for like we try to watch the prestige and like I was about to go like
go deaf just because I could hear like the fucking doves like cooing.
But I couldn't hear what Michael Caine had to say at all.
Like, but yeah, no, you have to have subtitles on.
It's just I failed you.
Do what?
The prestige is actually like my favorite movie.
Oh, it's great.
Yeah.
Really?
Chris for Nolan, just his sound mixing is just off.
I don't get it.
Yeah, it's not good.
But I love the prestige.
So whenever you do watch Tenet, watch it multiple times because it's a doozy.
Got it.
OK.
Good to know.
All right, so C plus for Wonder Woman 1984.
I think we can all agree that that is definitely well deserved.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that concludes this week's breakdown.
Brucker would you like to promote everything that you want to promote?
Yes.
First off, thank you guys for having me on again.
This was a lot of fun.
It's always a joy to have you two on.
And folks listening, if you all like these two hosts, I'm assuming you do because you're
listening to their show.
They have been on my show, Film on the Rocks to talk about Pirates of the Caribbean.
So come and check that out.
We had a lot of fun talking about that movie.
We had a little Will Turner Orlando Bloom rose session.
It was great.
But I would like to plug this new show that I am currently working on, which is called
Autopsy of a Horror Movie.
It's going to be me, Isco Solo podcast, which is me, but I will be doing analysis and interpretations
of horror movies with other episodes.
That would be more fun, just kill grades.
So I'm really looking forward to doing that.
And that should be going on starting in February.
But you can follow me on there at Brucker Horror on Instagram and Twitter.
So thank you guys again for having me on and I hope to have you two on that show.
At least one of you.
I know one of you isn't a horror fan, but it will be a lot of fun at that.
I feel Caleb's grown into a horror fan since he's known me.
I can appreciate it.
I don't like being jump scared.
I love that shit.
To me, it's all about if it's done well.
I don't care if it's done well.
I like it.
So sad thing is like door slams still get me.
The only time that I like the one time I did not throw a bitch fit about being jump scared
was during The Invisible Man.
The new one.
Oh, it's great.
Like the whole paint from the.
So the couple times that we got jump scared with that, I was like, I got like startled,
got a little pissed off.
And then I'm like, actually that was that was well deserved.
Yeah, it was well earned.
Yeah.
But other ones like cheap ass frickin jump scares, I hate those.
Do you hear paranormal activity?
Yeah, I hate paranormal activity.
Screw that movie, man.
That movie is nothing but cheap jump scares.
If so, Caleb, just because I feel like horror is important.
If you want to get into it, but you're not really sure like, you know, what kind of movies
you can trust or whatever.
Honestly, watch the original.
If you're OK with black and white movies, watch the original Universal Monster movies
from the 30s and 40s.
They are a total blast, especially like the original Invisible Man, since you just mentioned
that, because I think you'll be impressed by the effects that they have in it for 1932.
And the dude's a fucking lunatic.
He kills over 100 people in the movie.
Like it's it's really good.
And I actually saw for everybody listening, YouTube is actually and this is legal, just
so everyone knows, YouTube is uploading some of those classic monster movies for free on
YouTube, including Frankenstein Dracula.
And I think the Invisible Man as well, they'll be available on YouTube mid to late January
for free for people to watch.
So watch those classic Universal Monster movies.
They are just so much fun.
I love them.
That's awesome.
Oh, hell yeah.
Sorry, had to go a little rant there.
My bad.
I'm making a note of that right now.
No, I really want Cale to check those out.
So thanks for bringing that up, Berker.
And the Hammer films too, from like the 50s are just they're top notch, so much fun.
Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee, they're always like characters in those.
It's great.
Yep.
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Once again, thank you, Brooker, for joining us on this episode.
It was an absolute blast.
It was.
Thank you.
Thank you, Jonathan.
And Caleb is always so much fun whenever we collab.
Yeah.
Well, I'll have to come up with some more movies to do later down the line.
If y'all need a shitty movie to watch, watch The Pale Door.
It just got added to Shudder.
It's a horror western and it sucks.
So if you want to get drunk and just make fun of a movie, there's that.
Oh, we're adding that.
Well, I think that covers everything.
So next week we will be breaking down Surf's Up.
Is that a DreamWorks movie or is that Disney?
That is a, I think a Sony Pictures animation movie actually.
Oh, so if it's a whatever.
So Surf's Up, the surfing penguins movie, we're going to be breaking that down next
week.
So you guys can look forward to that.
We're also going to be joined by some special guests on that episode.
So yeah, we're just starting this year off strong with some guests.
Yeah, no kidding.
Yeah.
But until next week, this has been the All Bros podcast.
I'm Caleb.
And I'm Jonathan.
And we'll catch you guys next week.
Deuces.
So long.
That felt bad.
Was that bad?
I mean, it wasn't your best.
Oh, damn.
Way to tell it truthfully, bro.
Thanks.