What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we are a couple of aspiring filmmakers that love to watch and critique movies but
also enjoy a lot of the nerd life.
This week on the podcast we are skipping over Funko Focus.
Just nothing intrigues us at all this week.
So yeah, that's really all there is to say.
Unfortunately, that's how it goes sometimes.
It's just been that way the past few weeks.
It do be like that sometimes.
But we are not skipping over 4K Spotlight.
We do have quite a big movie coming out on 4K and Blu-ray this week that, no surprise
to anyone, I've already pre-ordered the Best Buy Steelbook 4 because I'm not taking a chance
of not getting the Steelbook.
And then we'll be moving on to Through the Wall where we have a trailer to talk about
that premiered at the DC Fan Dome this past week or week end.
Isn't it this past weekend?
Considering this comes out Monday, this was like two weeks, two weekends ago I guess.
Yeah.
Well, actually, technically no because it came out on a, on a, no not Wednesday.
Came out on a Sunday?
No, not Sunday.
No, it was on Saturday.
It was on Saturday and it was kind of like this all day event.
So yeah, so this was on Saturday.
So just, just over a week when this, when this episode gets released.
Okay, so not bad.
Not bad at all.
And then we'll also be talking about some casting for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3.
Got some big, big casting news to talk about with that.
And then, and then we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be this
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Hell yeah.
Yeah.
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Say let's do it.
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So first up, 4K Spotlight.
So this week, the big new release is the Suicide Squad.
Yes, James Gunn Suicide Squad is coming to 4K and Blu-ray as well as digital copy.
Well, I'm pretty sure it's already on digital copy.
But anyway, so we'll be getting a regular 4K and Blu-ray release as well as a 4K Best
Buy exclusive steelbook.
No shocker there.
And then it will also be getting a target exclusive Blu-ray that comes with collectible
cards.
Kind of boring in my opinion, but that's just me.
Yeah.
It's an interesting exclusive.
Yeah.
I mean, the steel, what I like about the steelbook is it kind of it's going with the kind of
same design that the first Suicide Squad went with.
And even though the first Suicide Squad steelbook was like all the skulls, this time it's like
how their name kind of makes their face.
It's really freaking cool.
So they have like all of their names and then they're surrounded by just like bullet shells.
Yeah, that looks super cool.
But not my favorite though.
No, that's fair.
That's absolutely fair.
I mean, but you know me, I have to own all the DC steelbooks as well as the Marvel ones.
That's fair.
Honestly, I am really digging the target exclusive.
I know you said that one's kind of boring, but I'm kind of digging it.
Okay.
Wait.
Yeah, I think.
Okay.
I think that's the right one, right?
It's the one that looks kind of like a concrete wall with a big asshole in it.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, I'm digging it.
Okay.
Fair enough.
I'd be interested to see what the rest of it looked like though.
The only images that I have are the cover.
Oh, if you go.
So if you actually go to Target's website on it, it gives you a full in-depth look.
So yeah, so it's just a regular Blu-ray, but excuse me.
So the character cards, I guess on the front is kind of the same thing.
That's what's on the steelbook.
It's like their name and their logo.
But then on the back is like the actual person.
It's like their actual character.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah.
Don't say cool.
I don't want to double dip on this.
I mean, I personally would rat.
I feel like I could do like a really cool Suicide Squad display.
But the only way that I feel I'd be able to pull that off is if I had two to get like
the front and the back.
That's fair.
I mean, I'm pretty sure that's how they are.
Their front and back.
I mean, they could be single.
I don't know.
Like, I know that they're like their individual cards, but I would need two of them because
I'd want to display the front and the back.
Okay.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
That's what I meant.
I mean, like, I'm assuming that it's front and back.
I don't think that it like one is the face and then one's like the full body shot face
full body shot.
Oh, yeah.
That probably be a little too many cards to cram into one Blu-ray set.
Yeah, no joke.
I feel like I could have fun with that though.
I feel like I could have a lot of fun with that.
I wish that they gave you more cards though.
Yeah, because they're missing a couple squad members.
Yeah, they are.
Well, actually, were they?
They're missing.
Oh my gosh.
Oh shit.
What's his name?
Okay, spoiler alert guys for the suicide squad if you haven't watched it.
Okay.
Remember the one that like turns on them?
It's just like, hey, you know, I'm the one that called you guys.
That's right.
Get his face blown off.
Yeah.
I thought some of the cards didn't match up.
Like I was looking at the cards and it was like, oh, the thinker and savant and I didn't
see those two in like the other list.
Oh, okay.
And so that's what I was like, oh, like, okay.
And then like Captain Boomerang too.
I didn't see his, like I saw his character card.
I just didn't see his like face card.
Okay.
And so yeah, that kind of confused me.
But yeah, all of those match up.
Black guard was not his name.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's who they're missing.
Yeah.
They're missing a few of them.
Kind of a bummer.
And trying to, I mean, at least they threw in Weasel, you know.
Very true.
At least we can all be happy about that.
Can you think of anybody else that they're missing besides Black Guard?
Yeah.
They're missing Javelin.
Oh yeah, they are.
They're missing.
What the shit?
TDK.
Yeah.
What the hell?
Let's see.
Who else?
They're missing a lot.
That's bullshit.
Those are my three of my favorite members.
I know.
It's kind of weird that they include Savant and Thinker.
I don't think the Thinker should be in this at all.
No, I don't think Waller should be either.
Yeah.
It's called the Suicide Squad.
Only put members of the Suicide Squad.
Yeah.
So I would take Thinker and Waller out and replace them with a couple other of actual
Suicide Squad members.
I don't think I would put Black Guard in just because he's an asshole.
But I would put, I put in Javelin and TDK.
Yeah.
Against those two.
I'm trying to think of who else they could put in.
It's just so weird that they...
Yeah.
It's odd that they would put in Thinker, Captain Boomerang, Savant, Waller, and whatever.
I guess you can include Weasel if you wanted to.
But it's just weird that they include those four because Thinker was a villain.
Amanda Waller is technically the chief.
Yeah.
And Savant and Boomerang were part of the first team to go in.
They had such a small role.
Which I'm still bitter about.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like why include those two?
The only reason to include Boomerang or Savant is just because Captain Boomerang came back
and Michael Rooker played Savant.
Yeah.
And Weasel you kind of just throw in because he's Weasel.
Yeah like Weasel makes sense.
Yeah.
When all is said and done.
And Waller, I mean I guess you can let that one slide.
But Savant, Boomerang, and Thinker.
Like no.
The only one that I cannot let slide is Thinker.
That is the only one.
Yeah.
It makes no sense.
Even when they use him, he never becomes part of the Suicide Squad.
He's still an asshole.
I mean they're all assholes.
But you know he's an asshole in a different way.
Yeah.
So.
Yeah.
I think I could definitely come up with a really cool display.
And hell I would only use the ones that were in the movie the longest.
The rest are just like bye bye.
Yeah.
Ever.
Yeah.
I love it.
I could make a pretty killer display but I would need doubles of those cards.
Okay.
But.
I'm not saying that I'm going to be looking on eBay for them after it comes out.
I'm not going to do that.
Wink wink.
Yeah.
Super cool cover though.
I really like the concrete look.
You know now that you've like talked about it, it's kind of grown on me.
The only thing that I like I probably wouldn't get it if it's just flat.
I would probably do it if it was like indented a little bit.
So I actually like not like a texture but just so you could like feel the bumps.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think that'd be really cool.
That would be super super cool.
But yeah.
Okay.
I need to get a closer look at the the other one.
Oh the Best Buy Steelbook.
Yeah.
That one's cool because that one does include everyone.
Yeah because who is Solsora?
Who was that?
Was that the girl that Rick Flagg knew when they were in the jungle?
No.
I think it was the.
It may have been.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure it was.
Okay.
That's the only one I can think of.
Yeah I was thinking it was the the chick that jumped on the helicopter.
No but no that's a mongrel.
Yeah.
Dude someone made I'm like I have it on the Google images page and someone made a concept
art for the steelbook and it looks great.
Yeah so it's like on the on the back is all of the character the character logos.
So like the ones on the cards where it's like Harley Quinn but her face it has like her
name but above that it above that image is the the cast member.
So it says Margot Robbie and then below it is that picture of Harley Quinn and then same
thing with like Joel Kinnaman below is Rick Flagg and so on and so forth.
Okay that's cool.
Yeah just kind of going through everyone and then the front is one of those images is one
of those artist renditions of the the Suicide Squad.
I think it was one that James James Gunn posted.
But yeah just kind of like a front.
It looks really cool.
It looks super cool.
Like I don't know how else to describe it.
Like I don't know what what artists drew it or anything but I do remember him posting
this as like a promotional image.
Oh really?
Yeah kind of makes it look like a crazy drawn almost seven maybe not 70s like an 80s or
90s action movie.
Okay.
It's super cool.
I'll have to show you the picture when we're done.
Yeah please do.
But anyway.
All right well that's it for 4k spotlight.
That's really the only big release coming out this week.
So moving on to through the wall.
Caleb do you want to talk about the trailer or the casting first?
Let's go with the trailer.
Okay so during DC Fandome we got a bunch of like teaser or like special looks at like
Shazam 2, Black Adam, The Flash but we really only got like one official trailer and that
was for the Batman.
Yeah.
It leaves the Batman.
So Fandome was like a pretty much an all-day event.
It felt like it was at least six hours.
Yeah that sounds right.
I had Fandome playing while I was at work and I would just kind of come back and forth
and a lot of the stuff that they showed because they showed a lot of stuff.
Like a lot of stuff.
But a lot of it was just really basic.
So like with Aquaman they just showed some behind the scenes footage and then they showed
off a picture and some of the cast was interviewed and it looks like they're bringing back.
Black Manta which is pretty cool.
Yeah didn't he get a new suit?
I thought that's what pictures I saw.
I didn't notice like a difference with his suit so he possibly.
And then Ocean Master is coming back.
Yeah I heard like freaking what is his name?
Is it Patrick Wilson?
I think so.
Didn't he get like freaking like super buff for this one?
Yeah he got yoked.
Yeah I was like god damn.
And then yeah it's just everyone talking about how excited they are and whatnot.
So nothing too special came out of that.
A lot of the other stuff that they showed was for the shows like Young Justice.
Apparently there's some Aquaman show on HBO Max now.
I don't know if it's like for kids or what.
Yeah then they showed stuff for like Doom Patrol, stuff for Titans.
And then when they got into the movies there was like a little clip of Black Adam and it
was just like introduction.
Or just what footage they had it seemed like.
So kind of like the same story with The Flash?
Yeah pretty much same thing with The Flash.
It was just like some footage that they had.
I will give The Flash trailer this though.
That whole introduction by Ezra Miller actually was really funny.
Yeah it was hilarious.
The only thing that came out of that that kind of surprised me was that Ezra Miller
is going to be in it twice?
Yeah that's going to be trippy.
And then Michael Keaton is coming back as Batman and that's going to be freaking awesome
but we didn't get to see him as Batman which sucked but made sense.
Yeah it did very much so.
So not a lot to talk about with that.
Shazam 2 that's filming.
It was just a bunch of behind the scenes shots.
Just showed off the new costumes a little bit.
Nothing too crazy.
They showed off some new footage for Gotham Knights and the Suicide Squad Kill the Justice
League video games that are coming out.
Yeah how did that look?
It looks interesting.
It looks extremely interesting.
The Suicide Squad 1.
Gotham Knights they do have a story aspect that I really like.
I thought it was going to end up being like a multiplayer game where you just play as
all of those characters and it's just like a beat em up game but it seems like they're
kind of going the route.
Did you ever play Spider-Man Shattered Dimensions?
I did not.
So for those of you that didn't play it and for you I guess, the way that it worked there
were four different Spider-Men that you could play as.
There was classic Spider-Man, there was black suited Spider-Man, Spider-Man Noir and Spider-Man
2099.
And so you would travel in between those worlds and play at like those levels and it ultimately
led to like one big overarching story.
So it kind of seems like that's what's going on here but everything's set in one world
instead of like separate universes.
So it seems like it's going to be like you play as Nightwing for a few, you play as Red
Hood for a few, you play as Robin and then you can play as Batgirl and different mission
styles.
That's what it comes off as.
I don't recall seeing any like official gameplay but that's just kind of the vibe that they
gave off where it's going to be like okay Nightwing you're playing a bit more stealthy
combat with Robin, Damien, Wayne you're doing a lot of combat.
Red Hood is more of like a shoot em up and then Batgirl is going to be more on the stealthy
side.
So it kind of has some like major Shattered Dimension vibes.
So I want to see some gameplay because I don't like the top down RPGs that I'm assuming this
game is going to be.
So if it's a third person and it's exactly like Shattered Dimensions I'm all in because
the story that they showed seems legit.
The four of them think that Bruce Wayne has died and so that's like they become the protectors
of Gotham.
So I think that'll be really cool.
Especially if they go into the route of what happened in the comics where Nightwing took
over as Batman for a while.
Okay yeah that would be pretty dope.
Yeah I think that would be super cool.
And something like brand new that we haven't had in a Batman game before.
This is true.
Same thing with the Suicide Squad.
No real game footage.
That's a lot of story but the Justice League are being mind controlled and the four Suicide
Squad members Captain Boomerang, King Shark.
Isn't Bloodsport one of them?
No it's Deadshot.
Oh Deadshot.
Yeah I was almost thinking of Deathstroke but no it's Deadshot and Harley Quinn are
kind of the people that are going in and have to kill the Justice League.
But they showed a lot of different characters.
They have Superman, they had Wonder Woman in there, Flash and Flash comes in and he's
like brutal.
Like coming in and smashing people against walls and shit.
Freaking wild.
Super interesting.
I'm afraid of the same thing with that.
That's going to be a top down RPG.
I hope it is not that way because I really don't like those types of games.
You and me both.
But if anything I'll probably find a YouTuber to watch play it if that's the case.
If it's not that way and it's like a third person fighting game then I'm all in.
Hell yeah.
It looks really good.
Nice.
Anyway, Batman was like the last thing that they showed.
I'm not surprised considering that this is like an actual full length trailer so it
makes sense that they would end it with this one.
Yeah it does.
Like it was so good.
It was.
You still don't get to see a lot of Robert Pattinson's acting as Bruce Wayne but you
still get a little more.
Robert Pattinson has proven that he's a very good actor so I'm very excited to see him
as Bruce Wayne.
Get our first glimpse of Andy Serkis as Alfred and oh my gosh he's killing it.
I feel Andy Serkis killed it in any role.
Absolutely true.
What did you think of, I always screw up his name, he's playing the penguin.
Colin Farrell.
That, thank you.
I always want to say Colin Firth but Colin Farrell, thank you.
He is unrecognizable.
He is.
Oh my gosh.
Dude.
It's amazing what prosthetics can do.
Oh my gosh right.
Which spoiler alert we'll get into later.
Yep.
No it's insane.
I've looked at like side by side pictures of him in his penguin costume and him.
I cannot for the life of me find a similarity.
Yeah.
No I can definitely agree with that.
It's like exactly the same issue that I have with like Heath Ledger's Joker.
Once they put the makeup on I cannot see a difference.
No it looks nothing.
Or see a similarity, not a difference.
Nothing like Heath Ledger.
Oh my gosh.
So good.
That makeup is incredible.
Yeah.
Like freaking hats off to the damn costume department on that one.
Seriously incredible.
Like bare minimum.
Like when we eventually break that down.
Bare minimum the movie is getting a nine.
Yes yeah when it comes to makeup absolutely.
Yeah and that's only if they like completely just go off the chain with Reddler.
With Reddler.
But with Penguin like if we were doing Penguin alone that would be a ten.
Speaking of the Reddler I found it interesting that at least from what I saw in the first
glimpse that we saw with this movie it was very Reddler focused.
Whereas with this one I mean from what I saw there was only that one glimpse of the Reddler
at the beginning and then that's really it.
Yeah that's all I noticed too.
So kind of makes it not really clear on the story.
Like this almost felt like.
Like this it was so weird like because the first trailer was just so heavy on Reddler
so it made us think oh Reddler is going to be the villain.
But this one was so Penguin based and I hear Penguin isn't in it that much.
Yeah Colin Farrell actually kind of like spoiled it and said like guys don't get your hopes
up I'm only in it for like I think he said like 10-20 minutes.
Yeah but he's 10.
But he's actually he's going to be like reprising his role as Penguin in a spinoff TV show.
Spoiler alert.
That's like that's just what I've heard like nothing is being confirmed yet.
I don't know sometimes like I hate when they do that kind of stuff because you're just
like okay well then they don't die kind of ruins the what the word like not anticipation
but like the like not knowing what's going to happen when now you do.
Yeah well the way that I look at that is technically we don't know if it's going to be a prequel
to this.
Okay that's fair.
So he could still die and then the show is just prequel.
Okay that's a good point.
Because I don't think they've released anything about it other than it's going to be based
around the Gotham PD.
And with Jeffrey Wright's Commissioner Gordon.
Speaking of him barely saw anything but gosh I'm so excited for him.
I freaking love Jeffrey Wright dude.
He's so good such great actor.
Yeah I love him.
Who's playing Catwoman again?
Zoe Kravitz.
What do you think of what we saw of her?
I think she looks good.
I think the various wigs that she'll be wearing kind of adds like that level of mystique to
her Selena Kyle.
I can agree with that.
I think that they could have easily just gone like oh she has the same hairstyle but it
makes sense as someone that's like an undercover cat burglar that she has disguises.
And I love that they are just driving it home that they're going to be doing like a love
hate relationship it seems with her and Batman.
I do like that a lot.
I think that's going to be really interesting to see.
And this is supposed to be Batman in his heyday so this isn't like his first year as Batman
but he's still like relatively new.
That's going to be really cool to see.
Yeah because like I think we've only ever seen a Batman in his prime.
Yeah I think so.
Have we ever seen like a new Batman?
Not that I've seen.
Yeah I mean the closest I think we've gotten was like Christian Bales but I don't know
he seemed very competent.
It seemed like there were I mean have they ever explained like how much of a time jump
there is between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight?
They probably have.
I just haven't paid that close attention to it.
No I haven't either because I feel like there is a decent time jump because you can definitely
tell that he has gotten his footing as Batman in that one.
Oh yeah definitely.
I think honestly the biggest thing is like you see him get his suit and all these other
gadgets.
So the cape that like helps him fly and like all of this other shit like you see him obtain
all of that and so it kind of does give like a brand new Batman kind of vibe but he's just
so he's so competent with all of that.
Yeah.
Like you don't really see like I hope we get to see him like mess things up or like learn
from his mistakes or like even make mistakes in general.
That's like that's what I'm hoping to get out of this.
No I absolutely agree.
Or even then like just become like a more high tech because right now it kind of seems
like his suit is somewhat taped together.
That's fair.
Like honestly that but like the ending shot when he's like walking towards the penguin
um like just like the like the kind of like lower shot you get of his legs.
I don't know why just like when I saw him I'm like I don't know that doesn't like really
like scream Batman you can tell like he's still trying to get the suit all put together
and get his like get it just perfect.
Yeah it does it does very much come off like that.
Okay okay I'm glad I'm not the only one.
And I think that their mistake with that and it and at least with that shot I would have
done make the ground a bit more wet so you can see the the reflection of his head.
So just so you can get that that profile of his of his head.
Okay like make that a bit more prominent because like the way that they shot it it cut off
his head for a good portion and it just seemed like a generic uh silhouette figure with a
cape like it didn't scream Batman.
No that's fair yeah you got a good point there.
So I think showing off the ears would have been a big deal and the cape too like I think
with um all the other Batman the cape has been like so prominent and like just big and
flowy and this one seems very like thin and like loose flying so it's almost like it almost
feels like he just took a random sheet.
Like at least Christian Bale seemed like his cape had a purpose beyond just being a cape.
Uh I kind of like this a person that like he's still at least from what we see he's
still trying to get his his actual like Batman costume together you know doing little here
and there what's work what doesn't work.
I love seeing that kind of stuff with Batman.
Yeah I'm just ready to see how they explain if they do at all how he came to becoming
the Batman.
Like it made sense with with Christian Bale's like I don't think he meant to come with like
to become a bat like it didn't it didn't come off that way because he had like a normal
helmet and then he added the ears because he needed the antenna for his his hearing piece
and so he's like oh well shit I mean I need to put that so we just need we need to figure
something out to cover that and so he's just like all right guess we're doing like super
big ears.
Like they justified all the decisions they made about his costume design.
Yeah.
Like the cape oh it's it's flame proof he can touch it with like static electricity
and use it to glide he like everything had a purpose behind it so I'm interested to see
if they're just gonna go like no he just really likes superheroes and wanted to be one or
like or what?
He did not listen to his dear old friend Edna did he?
No camps.
Yeah like if you had to do a superhero costume would you give it a cape?
Honestly it would it'd be so dependent on my powers.
That's fair I mean considering growing up I always wanted to have super speed so I would
not want a cape.
So yeah exactly that's like one power you definitely don't want one.
Unless you want to be choked to death.
I thought it was funny how I thought it was funny how um super girl kind of touched on
this subject of capes because they were like they were going through a montage of like
her creating her persona as super girl and so she she found a costume she liked she went
out and she didn't want to do a cape like originally so she just had like a classic
outfit like it was just like very plain didn't even have the the S on it yet and so she went
out flying and she was like going super speed and trying to turn really fast but couldn't
and crashed into like a hill and then she comes back and they're just like oh so the
cape helps with like aerodynamics like that make like that makes sense and so that's why
they ended up giving her a cape which I don't know if that's true or not because but I mean
at least they backed it up yeah in their own way yeah yeah exactly so it's like okay so
there's the reason for the cape that's why she has a cape yeah it's for like the aerodynamic
flight or whatever so with Batman I feel like Batman's super hard to justify a cape for
that's fair like the only reason I feel Batman has a cape is because Batman was drawn with
a cape yeah and I think with all the other iterations of Batman it was easy because they
went like very comic book accurate it's true and then when they got to Christian Bale they
justified the cape they're just like okay now I can use it as a glider or like it had
a lot of different purposes but yeah with this one it does not feel like it has a purpose
other than just being a cape yeah so I hope I hope I hope I hope they justify the cape
no I agree I definitely agree but overall freaking killer trailer like it looks like
they're going very practical they are and I love it so yeah this this trailer got me
even more hype for this movie yeah I love what they're doing with the Batmobile the
Batmobile looks so cool it does oh my gosh yeah so the Batmobile is just like a classic
muscle car with like a pimped out engine and penguin like it's like a car chase scene and
penguin blows some cars up and he thinks he's killed the batman he's like I got you like
I got you and then he sees the Batmobile like fly through the flames and like crash down
and like keep following him and the way that he looks back I'm like that's exactly how
you look back at that yeah because he like looks in the mirror and sees it like coming
through the front like that's haunting that's insane that is insane like I lost my mind
at work too I was just like oh my gosh this is so cool oh so I'm excited I'm really excited
for it same here um if you had to rank your excitement level what would you put it up
not quite at a nine yet but I'm not I'm about an eight and a half okay I know I try to like
stick with like the solid eight or nine but eight and a half is more accurate okay I'm
at a solid eight but no I can understand why you're at an eight and a half yeah it's just
like the action that we saw looks so so cool yeah and I'm hoping that they have like the
more grounded realistic aspect to him yes I agree I did notice that there was some more
comic booky looking action sequences which I am totally okay with because as Batman versus
Superman proved it works that yes very much so so I'm excited to see all of that stuff
I just hope that they don't go like over the top but they also don't go too realistic because
I think too realistic could come off as boring yeah no yeah you got a good point there like
you just need to throw in something that a normal person can't do all right well um do
you have anything else you want to say about the Batman trailer or DC fandom in general
not really um I do wish that Marvel had something like fandom but I know that's like Disney
plus day yeah but it's not like Marvel centric like I'd love to have a like a Marvel fan
like online fan experience where you get to hear like plans for comic books like because
that's what they did cover too they covered like a lot of comics future of different like
stories and whatnot and then they they handled TV shows they handled movies like they kind
of handled everything under the DC umbrella that's awesome I love that yeah so I would
love to see Marvel do something like that but unfortunately I think the most that we're
going to get is like the Disney plus day where they're like oh here are all of the movies
that we're planning here are all the uh the TV shows which when is when is that Disney
plus day it's like November isn't it yeah I forget when though because I know like on
like they're like saying what's coming out in the near future but they're also like premiering
certain things on Disney plus and I know like one of the big ones is a Shang Chi is coming
to Disney plus yeah um let's see November 12th okay is what is uh Disney plus day shit
like the next week or the two weeks after Hawkeye premieres yeah so they're gonna have
a bunch of stuff like coming that day they're gonna have Shang Chi they're gonna have Jungle
Cruise home sweet home alone that new uh series of shorts Olaf presents like they're gonna
have a bunch of stuff hell yeah um yeah I'm I just want to see some more like future stuff
like I want to see more like future future Marvel that's fair I mean I like doing where
I want to see that but like at the same time I kind of want to be like living in the now
like I'm of course so excited for Hawkeye and they actually said that the first instead
of just premiering the first episode it's gonna be the first two episodes yes yeah um
and then freaking I can't wait for the eternal or sorry eternals yeah which awesome I don't
know if you saw but be careful out there on the web because apparently a huge spoiler
has leaked yep I saw that too so I'm completely off of my personal Facebook and Instagram
okay good good um but yeah um yeah it really sucks though that like a bunch of the Marvel
movies got pushed back a year oh my gosh that's the worst um I will say this the only thing
that I want to come out of Disney Plus when it or Disney Plus day when in regards to Marvel
like I want to see some like future Disney projects too like maybe give us a little bit
more about what in Kanto is supposed to be oh yeah I agree um I want some more of that
like what what Pixar is working on what Disney animations working like just everyone I want
to know what everyone's working on when it comes when it's related to Marvel what I want
to see I want to see either concept art or promotional images something regarding She-Hulk
and I want some footage of Ms. Marvel ooh okay fair enough yeah so if they can handle
if they can give us that I will call Disney Plus day it like amazing a huge success yeah
like that's what I want to see and I I haven't decided whether or not I want to see something
from Moon Knight because of how far out that one is still that's but if we do get anything
from in from Moon Knight that's just gonna be icing on the cake yeah yeah I can definitely
agree I would really like to see what his suit looks like yes absolutely like whether
that um image that we saw is is real or not yeah no I absolutely agree and I hope it is
like I know a lot of people like didn't like it I loved his costume I guess we'll find
out yeah so anyway I'm done don't none Disney all right moving on to our uh so we didn't
actually did we actually talk about what we were supposed to uh well I asked uh if you
had anything else to say about DC fandom and then we kind of oh when we got into the okay
yeah so yeah we technically never started okay fair enough yeah but so moving on to
our second bit of news we have some huge Guardians of the Galaxy volume 3 casting and that is
that will I almost forgot his name Will Poulter has been officially cast as Adam Warlock oh
my gosh talk about great casting yeah for those of you that don't know who will Poulter
is if you have seen we are the millers or maze runner and maybe like a couple other
things uh he's the eyebrows kid that's such a great way to explain who he is dude did
you know if you no shit if you google who's that actor with the eyebrows he'll come up
okay I'm doing it yeah do it right now like that's all I think that's all you have to
look up who's the actor with the eyebrows uh when I pull that up Rodrigo Santora comes
up first what yeah actually well another thing that pops up is which actor has the most insane
eyebrows Nicolas Cage is number one that's not true what the hell I pulled up um I looked
the same thing who's the actor with the eyebrows and the first thing I came up was Will Poulter
what the hell that's weird all right let's try this again like what did you search who
who's that actor with the eyebrows well maybe it's because I like recently looked him up
let's find out who's that okay there it is yeah Will Poulter there he is oh my gosh um
but yeah so someone like posted a picture of what he looks like now because he's in
some show called uh Dope Sick with Michael Keaton that's on Hulu right now and he's
not white the name for sure yeah and he grew into his eyebrows very very much so like oh
or at least learn to control them a little bit like he probably it's like he got the
same uh training that Amelia Clark did because Amelia Clark's got some like crazy eyebrows
when when she wants to yeah you got a point there but yeah I think he's he's able to to
learn to control them so I think this is amazing casting like I thought they were going to
go like full adult well I say that but I realize he's our age and we're adults yeah he's 28
okay nevermind how young do you think we are I have no idea dude like I mean I would gladly
go back into a 20 year old body dude it is so weird like realizing that we're the age
as some as a lot of actors on screen are yeah like it's weird for me to like look at uh
Tom Holland and realize we're the same age that's fair that that is absolutely fair and
yeah like he's just one of those two like I didn't realize we're only like a few years
apart and I'm just like I didn't realize like they were going to cast some kid like no like
he's he's a man he's art like he's someone I view as someone my age and I'm like yeah
they're casting some kid no they're casting an adult um but I couldn't be happier with
this casting I think he has everything you're looking for like he has like that that very
distinct face like very strong facial structure yes like just like very sharp everything which
is kind of what you want from Adam Warlock who's supposed to be this like picture perfect
person and I think he's I think Will's gonna pull that off amazingly like there hasn't
been anything I've hated him in no same here um I don't really know I know jack shit about
Adam Warlock so um you saying that he's like perfectly cast I'm like judging it off like
your opinion and how you like what you've seen with the character well um okay well
I haven't personally like dealt with at least comics wise I haven't I don't know anything
about Adam Warlock oh okay I'm going off of looks alone okay all right and I showed you
some of the pictures of of him he's very clean cut yeah no yeah you're absolutely right so
yeah in that regard they hit the nail on the head like perfect I don't think that really
worked in the way that I thought it was going to but whatever I'm gonna roll with it yeah
um but this was confirmed by James Gunn on Instagram hell yeah yeah like he I think he
was saying that he usually doesn't like give any um any mind to spoilers like this he's
like I usually don't don't like acknowledge these rumors or anything um but I will acknowledge
this one like yes I am casting uh Will Poulter as Adam Warlock in Guardians of the Galaxy
volume 3 and I'm like hell yeah sweet I love like the difference between DC and Marvel
Marvel is just overly secretive to the point of like withholding stuff from us and it's
like it's aggravating like this whole is is toby maguire and adan garfield going to be
in in no way home like we highly assume yes just reveal it we're still going to go see
the movie I'm like I keep telling myself no just because I don't want to walk out disappointed
I'd rather like walk in see them on there and like freaking I was gonna say never mind
um but just like well you know like walk out there being like oh my gosh that was the coolest
freaking thing I've ever seen and now walk out like oh I'm pissed off I didn't see these
guys yeah exactly yeah so like it's just that like it's just I I don't like how secretive
Marvel is and then on the other hand with with uh with DC they're giving us like plenty
of stuff to work with like they don't hold anything back they're just like hey Shazam's
new costume check it out oh look at that Black Adam hat like check out his costume um yeah
true like I think honestly the only reason we haven't because they're doing like a blue
beetle movie I'm not sure yeah there I I'm not sure let me see for sure real fast okay
with blue beetle uh they don't have like an official suit yet but they released the concept
art that they're basing the suit off of oh hell yeah yeah and that's just because they
don't have a suit to reveal yeah like I love that like I love how like included I feel
in the DC stuff like with James with Suicide Squad like I loved how included I felt like
James Gunn was posting about it all the time taking pictures of the actors behind the scenes
and their costumes just doing random shit yeah like I love that I love like the inclusion
that I felt in that and I feel like that's something that's lacking from Marvel because
they're just so damn secretive it's true no that's very true like the one thing that I
hate is that they're like um whenever they post untitled Marvel project just tell us
what it is yeah I'll definitely agree with y'all now I'm like what do you think you're
gonna do release the title and be and people are gonna be like oh I know exactly what it's
about and I'm not gonna go see it like no it's just something to get us hyped yeah like
that's just yeah I think that they need to take a note out of DC's book a little bit
in regards to that yeah the movies like in general I'm like okay like there's some things
you should definitely keep secret like definitely keep like the end credits sequences secret
like I think there are just like key things that you need to keep hidden but not like
so much like I think that's like I think that's part of why endgame did so well it was like
this investment we had in the characters yes absolutely and if you I feel like if you
build an investment of time into a movie when it comes like the connection like I love that
um Aquaman 2 like they they're like oh we just started filming like they release when
they're when they're filming they release when they're like in post-production they
really all of these timelines like hey we're doing this we're doing that like letting the
fans know and I feel almost like a little bit more connected to the movies been like
oh yeah like I almost get to the point where I'm like we've been working on this so hard
like freaking great job everyone like I like I was like was a part of it and like I love
that like I love that feeling and I feel like that's just sorely lacking with Marvel movies
yeah like it's almost like Marvel's just like absolutely not like you'll see it when it's
done yeah you're not wrong you're not wrong yeah so it's it's I'm glad that if anything
James Gunn maybe took a little bit of that from DC and just gave us this because I feel
like we could have been speculating day in and day like just day out like oh who's gonna
be Adam Warlock who's gonna be Adam Warlock oh this rumor came out like and then people
are just getting pissed off like no it's not gonna be this guy it's just a rumor and like
I feel like that's like where a lot of negativity comes in yeah so I'm glad that he's just like
yeah we're casting Will Poulter and everyone's just like great like we're so excited
I mean I know some people aren't they're just like the kid with the eyebrows he has a name
yeah so I'm genuinely excited to see Will Poulter as Adam Warlock I think he'll be amazing
as am I and I absolutely agree so that is it for through the wall what do you say we
get jump into our all bros headliner say let's do it all right
all right so on this week's all bros headliner we will be breaking down Halloween kills and
we were going to we actually had a question of the week put together but we forgot to
post it we're sorry guys yeah well we'll get the next one yeah out when we figure out what
the hell it is we aren't like quite sure what next week at week's episode is gonna be yet
so yeah so your guess is as good as ours but anyway Caleb do you want to tell everybody
how we break down movies on this podcast absolutely so if you are new to our breakdown system
we have split movies into eight different categories that we individually grade to come
to a final all bros letter grade the eight categories that we score our story writing
acting character development but in case of horror movies we go off of the horror logic
this is more just making sure that the horror movies follow their own rules that they set
into place and just like maintain that level of realism whatever they set into because
I know some horror is like paranormal based and whatever it's just the rules that they
set in place did they follow those rules and then we do effects music costumes and then
we give it our own personal grade at the very end then all of that magic gets added up together
and spits out our our letter grade yeah buddy so if you guys haven't seen Halloween kills
I am about to spoil the whole damn thing for you so if you haven't watched it in theaters
or seen it on peacock go watch it right now and come back and you know listen to this
episode yeah which speaking of seeing it in theaters we actually watched this in VR yeah
is our first VR movie night and holy shit could it have not been more perfect it was
amazing you know for anyone that thinks that virtual reality still doesn't replace like
some things in real life you know you got a point like I'll fully admit that I still
love going to the actual movie theater but in the case that you know like Caleb lives
30 hours from me the fact that we can still sit in a movie theater see each other right
next to each other and experience the movie together sometimes you know talk to each other
about it if we've already seen it is so amazing to be able to go back to this opera go back
to what we used to do I'm gonna say a couple years ago it was like a year ago but it's
just amazing to be able to go back to this kind of situation and create more memories
with movie nights yeah so I have a question for you regarding this answer so this was
both of our first experience doing a movie night together yes you have the oculus quest
2 I have the oculus quest 1 I know that the only thing that I probably should have done
was put headphones on the only reason that I didn't put headphones on was because Braille
and Iris were out and I wanted to hear when they came back in otherwise I would have some
yeah otherwise I would have put on some like decent headphones and headphones like just
change it drastically did you listen to it with with headphones or did you just with
the speakers no I just listened to it with speakers okay visuals wise did um how does
you feel about it honestly I say pretty damn good I mean you're not getting like 4k quality
but you really don't get that in a movie theater unless you're seeing in like freaking IMAX
or some shit like that when it comes to like just a regular movie theater you're not getting
like 4k quality it's gonna be like 1080p and that's honestly what we got yeah so yeah I
we don't I downloaded a 1080p file of this movie that we loaded onto our headsets we
had to load it onto both of our headsets to be able to watch it but it could not have
been more perfect yeah the way that it worked out like at least for me like that was one
thing that I don't like going I don't like going to the theaters anymore I went I went
to the no okay listen I went to the the theater to go see what was it what was the last movie
I saw was venom venom yeah and don't get me wrong like going to the theater it's it's
an experience like it's it's just not one that I I miss a lot because one I have to
go out and I'm like a very I'm a homebody same but it's just when I go out I'm like
I'm paying for the ticket I'm paying for whatever snacks I get and I limited myself to a drink
but even that ended up costing me like a shit ton of money and then the seats they they
weren't super great the quality like the audio quality wasn't super good either like I feel
like I can absolutely replicate it I have a surround sound system from like 2003 and
I was able to recreate the the Bohemian Rap City movie theater experience almost perfectly
like I think if I would have just like rearranged the the speakers differently I think it would
have worked but yeah it's there's just something about watching it at home like I had my drink
out I freaking had some some snacks too out while we were watching it I don't know how
the hell you could like the word like move it to your mouth and not like make a mistake
plus of me I had a straw for with the drink okay good and then the snacks were just like
not that hard to aim for your mouth okay all right that's good the drink I probably would
have screwed up a couple times had I not had the straw another thing that really helps
is I had the remote in my hand to kind of like reach for I knew where the general area
of my drink was so I would reach and like grab it so I knew where my hand was in relation
to my face okay there we go but yeah like I loved it like I had more fun doing this
I honestly the only thing I would have changed is I probably would have gone I should have
gone over to the couch to to watch it because that little chair that I was sitting on wasn't
like the most comfortable like it was comfortable enough it's just I couldn't lean back yeah
now I like and this is where I think a recliner would would be amazing but yeah I think all
of that like the drink the snacks being able to like look over and see you in any like
movement that you made like it just it made I had more fun watching this movie than I
did venom or shung chi yeah same here like it's I don't I don't have the same connection
to the movie theater experience that you do you have I think all of my like the reason
I look fondly to going to the movie theaters is because I went with you do why do you always
like almost make me cry on these episodes you asshole you know I'm a sensitive person
well that's not like that's what I reflect on when I think of the movies like I'm like
oh yeah like me and Rose saw this and it was freaking incredible yeah like I that I just
don't get that from the movie theaters anymore because like now I come in I'm like I have
to put on my freaking shoes like I have to put pants on like I could freaking do it in
my skivvies if I wanted to you wouldn't know the difference I mean you're not wrong well
you know what now every single time we have a movie night I'm gonna ask him like Caleb
you wearing underwear nope okay bye please I wouldn't tell you okay I'll just call Brielle
is he wearing pants nope thank you it's all I needed to know yeah but it's just yeah and
then I get like weird sticky stuff on my shoes and because like all my feet like I don't
have like IMAX well I do I have a couple of them but they're like 20 minutes away so it's
almost like not worth it to go there though actually the theater that I go to they always
choose the dumbest movies to make I to put in their IMAX like I don't think they even
put Shang-Chi into the IMAX yeah that's just stupid yeah like I forget which movie they
had in there at the time I know right now they have no time to die which makes sense
yeah like that one makes more sense than not having Shang-Chi so it is just like eh I don't
know not putting Shang-Chi in it like I'm just thinking like what movies like that's
like the equivalent of like saying like oh you know like instead of putting venom let
there be carnage in IMAX let's put the Adams family to in IMAX because those came out the
exact same day yeah right exactly I'm actually curious to see just just for shits and giggles
I want to see what's in the IMAX right now I mean if a tolling kills then that's okay
I know it's not let's see okay they took they took no time to die out out of IMAX that's
kind of cool they have a five dollar surprise screening a five surprise screen so you don't
know what movie you're getting yeah they just give you like the the genre thrills and chills
okay so like is it strictly only new movies or is it like any age no it's it's rated
are it's an hour and a half I'm willing to bet it's like one of the other Halloween movies
yeah probably I mean that would make sense with it being October oh my gosh we were just
talking about it they put the Adams family to in IMAX are you freaking serious I'm not
even kind of joking how the hell is that that makes no damn sense yeah so when venom was
out they had no time to die and now that no time to die or now that Halloween kills is
out they have freaking Adams family too the only thing that can make that worse is if
they would have thrown the last duel dude straight up but yeah I think just overall
I enjoyed this experience more than I have the past few movies I've gone to okay yeah
I can agree with that yeah only improvements I would have made is I would have chosen different
seating in my house and I would have worn headphones yeah that's yeah cuz honestly
like the seating that we chose like in VR I feel was like perfect yeah yeah it was it
was freaking awesome and like that's another thing like I couldn't choose like a seat when
I went to go see venom like I had to sit in the back in the the the movie theater like
is more long than anything and so sitting in the back it felt like I was watching it
on my damn laptop like that's how big the screen felt to me okay like it was insane
so like I love that we're able to like choose a theater that kind of suits whatever movie
we're wanting to watch yeah no I like that as well but yeah I think it just freaking
felt great and anyone else who has like an oculus headset that has big screen VR be sure
it is up like we'll freaking do movie night with you love so blast I'll give you or I'll
grant you access to whatever movie we're watching so you can like download it and put it on
your headset and we'll just freaking party it out hell yeah and anyone who needs convincing
getting one DJ and Vic do it Rose was actually hesitant I was and it's honestly one of the
best investments I've ever done it's freaking knew it I told you I freaking told you yeah
he did tell me so it was one of the only times I killed has been right what forgets I'm just
kidding I'm kidding bro anyway enough bragging about that if you guys want to join us on
movie night hit us up we'll give you all the information that that we can yes but getting
into this breakdown it is reading with rose time where he's gonna read off the entire
synopsis for Halloween kills yes all right so on October 31st 2018 after being stabbed
and left to die by dr.
Ramber sartain deputy Frank Hawkins is found by Cameron Elam who tends to his wounds Hawkins
awakens and remembers the events of 40 years earlier during the search for Michael Myers
following his escape after being shot Hawkins accidentally kills his partner trying to save
him from Michael in the Myers house before preventing Michael's original psychiatrist
dr.
Sam Loomis from killing his patient outside resolving to kill him in the present meanwhile
Tommy Doyle is at a local bar celebrating the 40th anniversary of Michael's arrest imprisonment
and to commemorate the memory of his victims along with fellow survivors fellow sorry fellow
survivors Marion Chambers Lindsay Wallace and Cameron's father Lonnie Elam who briefly
encountered Michael in 1978 before toasting Laurie Strode a group of firefighters respond
to Laurie's burning house and unwittingly free Michael who massacres them with their
own equipment Laurie her daughter Karen and her granddaughter Alison arrived at Haddonfield
Memorial Hospital where Laurie undergoes emergency surgery Michael murders Laurie's neighbors
Sandra and Phil before making his way deeper into Haddonfield an emergency newscast of
the killings alerts Tommy Marion Lindsay and Lonnie of Michael's escape before bar patron
Vanessa supposedly encounters encounters Michael in the backseat of her car Tommy and a group
of people head outside to confront him as the car drives away and crashes the driver
whom they falsely believed to be Myers escapes unnoticed while Lonnie heads off to pick up
Cameron Tommy forms a mob of vengeful Haddonfield citizens to hunt down and kill Michael before
he can kill anyone else the police informed Karen and Alison that Michael escaped and
is still alive Karen decides to withhold the information from Laurie to allow her to recover
while Alison Rick reconciles with Cameron and joins him along with his father and the
others to hunt down Michael and avenge her own father's death Laurie and Hawkins now
sharing a hospital room both awaken and reminisce about their former relationship Lindsay encounters
two teenagers in a park who had seen Michael Myers but didn't seem to care until they
see Michael Myers holding a bloody mask of their friend who had worn it earlier Lindsay,
Marion and Vanessa hold up hold up hold up yeah those kids were supposed to be teenagers
yeah they looked like what like like between like eight and ten yeah that's what age I
thought they were yeah they make pre-teen eight pre-teens but yeah like they were young
yeah like the way that they were talking to there's just some guy trying to play hide
and seek with us but he's not very good at he just kind of pops up randomly like I'm
like serious yeah like I was just like that that's the scene that freaking popped into
my head when you said teens I'm like teens no they're yeah they're not teenagers I absolutely
agree with you yeah like the max age I would put on those kids is like 11 yeah yeah no
yeah I absolutely agree yeah because I wouldn't freaking trust like a an eight or nine year
old to go trick-or-treating by themselves no I was out like one parent yeah or maybe
I'm just lame now I love that alright so Lindsay Marion Vanessa and her husband Marcus are
ambushed by Michael in the park to warning Haddonfield residents to say inside all are
killed except for Lindsay who barely manages to to Alice Karen Tom and long arrive at the
scene discovering the bodies of the others in a playground all wearing silver shamrock
masks that were worn earlier by the prankster teenagers Lindsay encounter these same teenagers
have pranked Big John Little John the current owners of the Michael Myers childhood home
they find Lindsay traumatized and injured but alive and she is taken to the hospital
while Tommy takes Lindsay to the hospital Lonnie Cameron and Allison map out the path
that Michael is taking based on where his victims are located they deduced that he is
heading towards his childhood home Tommy reunites with former Haddonfield Sheriff Lee Brackett
whose daughter Annie was killed by Michael in 1978 and then informs Lori of Michael's
survival across town Michael murders the current owners of his former home Big John and Little
John as Lori prepares to leave the hospital to have her final confrontation with him the
driver of Vanessa's car Lance Tavoli who is a fellow fellow patient of Smith's Grove alongside
Michael and escaped when the bus crashed arrives at the hospital Tommy and his mom mistake
Lance for Michael and pursue him through the hospital Karen manages to reach Lance and
realizes he isn't Michael despite Karen's attempts to calm the mob and help Lance he
jumps out of a window to his death Brackett grows concern that the mob is turning into
monsters from their fear and panic while Lori who was injured during the chase urges Karen
to work with Tommy and hunt down Michael back at the Myers house Lonnie arms himself and
heads in alone until Allison and Cameron hear gunshots and rush inside to help him they
discover Big John Little John and Lonnie's bodies before being attacked by Michael in
the ensuing fight Allison breaks her leg while Cameron is brutally beaten by Michael before
having his neck snapped as Michael prepares to kill Allison Karen stabs him in the back
with a pitchfork steals his mask and taunts him to follow her Karen lures Michael into
the path of Tommy's mob Michael recovers his mask before being attacked and seemingly killed
by the mob as Karen leaves to reunite with Allison Brackett prepares to shoot Michael
in the head Michael recovers and manages to slaughter the entire mob including Brackett
and Tommy back at the Myers house as Allison receives medical attention Karen sees a young
Michael looking out the bedroom window and investigates Michael appears and stabs her
to death Lori stares out of out of her hospital hospital room window while Michael stares
out of his window.
This is an interesting movie.
I know when I cause I actually saw I actually saw this movie opening night and then I watched
it again with Caleb of course I've already seen this movie three times.
Once in the theater once on Peacock and then once watching it with Caleb all three great
experiences but so I follow a couple of the Halloween fan pages on Facebook and a lot
of people when they complain about this movie they say oh it feels like that you know like
if just filler it feels like the middle chapter you know like it it you can tell it's just
a build up to the finale and like you think about that well yeah they plan this as a trilogy
of course this is the build up to the final final film this isn't really supposed to I
mean you could I mean could you really say that this is their its own film or do you
feel it's really it's truly a middle chapter in a trilogy.
That one's tough so we ended up giving this an 82 and I think the reason that it was so
low or as low as it is is because of that it does very much feel like a middle movie
yeah it feels like there's definitely something after and it either definitely was something
before I told you in the middle of this I wish I would have watched 2018 before this
that that is fair that is absolutely fair there was just so many references and just
like different things that I forgot about this movie or about the the first half of
this it almost feels like this was sorry no I have the the digital copy okay for it like
I I could have watched it I just didn't because I assumed that this was going to be a bit
more on its own this almost feels like this could have been like this could have been
like Halloween 2018 part two it yeah it really could it could it's kind of I look at this
the way that I look at like the original Halloween and Halloween 2 you could literally combine
those into one movie yeah because it takes place right after Halloween this one takes
place like minutes after dammit after Halloween 2018 yeah exactly exactly so I think that
was something that detrimental the movie a bit not too much but just enough where I was
just like okay who's that like what like who are they talking about like the boyfriend
at what was it Alice's boyfriend yeah Cameron like I I didn't know who that was at all like
I was just dick he was in Halloween 2018 yeah I was just like okay so something went on
between these two no so as a standalone movie it's not great yeah as a sequel it is really
good so it was really hard to give it like a low score because it was it wasn't a standalone
yeah no no I definitely agree but it I I didn't feel good giving it a super high score either
because it was like like I said it wasn't a very good standalone like this isn't one
that you can watch on your on its own like down one hat oh if you don't watch how like
honestly I mean in a way I guess you could get away with not watching the original Halloween
because in the flashback scenes that do it they do explain what happens but if you yeah
if you don't watch Halloween 2018 you're gonna be hella lost in this movie very very much
so yeah like you said you could probably get away without watching the first one I would
still highly recommend it because they do make a lot of references to that movie yes
they do but I would definitely watch 2018 before this like that if if I was gonna watch
either of these again I you have to watch them next to each other like slot us put aside
that time to to watch both of them because it just aside about like three and a half
hours yeah so it just would not make any sense otherwise if you're going in blind to how
like if you if you hadn't seen the first Halloween and if you hadn't seen Halloween 2018 you
you would not understand this movie at all one bit it was like who the hell is Michael
Myers why the hell is he killing people yeah it would be a really hard sell yeah oh absolutely
so I think in 82 it is good it is an above average movie but and I think had it been
a better standalone I probably would have put this up in the 90s probably like I could
hide a mid that's fair yeah I can get that um because like speaking like of like the
actual story I freaking loved the approach that they did in this movie of the whole mob
mentality of how as like as Haddonfield they've lived in terror for 40 years and since Lori
couldn't kill his ass they're just like you know what we're we're gonna hunt down Michael
Myers and the way that freaking Tommy Doyle like gets freaking everybody hyped up is really
freaking cool to see and I want to touch upon that more with the writing in that regard
but also sorry were you gonna say something no I I was actually just about to discuss
that but yeah like discussing it more in writing oh okay um but I mean I guess he could really
throw this in yeah we could throw it would you throw in like the recurring care like
bringing back like other characters besides Laurie Strode from the first movie would you
put that into acting or would you say that's into story I think that's more story okay
um so in your so they do add some things that happened that night in 78 because as far as
we know the only thing that we knew was that Michael was shot six times by Dr. Loomis he
fell off the balcony and then as far as we know he was just arrested right after that
but with the flashbacks you actually see that no he got up he got up and just started walking
the streets of Haddonfield until he was finally arrested again but when it comes to like recurring
characters they actually add oh was it they actually add a lot to Lonnie Elam's character
who in the original it was just the kid that taunted Tommy Doyle and was just like oh don't
you know what happens on Halloween you know the boogeyman is gonna get you that's really
the only thing that we see of Tommy except for not Tommy I'm sorry Lonnie besides when
the him and he was it his like two friends dare him to go into the Myers house at towards
the end of the movie but Loomis shouts out hey Lonnie get your ass away from there and
all three of them run away and freaking it's really fun like Donald Pleasant's smile at
the end of that scene always like freaking makes me laugh because I don't know why it's
just really funny dude I had it so backwards like oh who'd you think Lonnie was I know
I thought Lonnie was the one that was getting picked on no I know Lonnie um see I actually
because I was actually kind of like getting like confused I'm like kid so if he's getting
picked on this is kind of like totally out of his character a little bit because he does
get picked on and then he like like like cop car comes and tells all the kids you know
like go home because you know like there's a madman on the loose he killed three teenagers
down the street and Lonnie as he's running home trips and he has an encounter with Michael
Myers but he just kind of like he walks by him he doesn't like do anything but he does
like stare face to face at him but when he's like crawled like crouched down he's actually
like apology I don't know if you heard but he's like apologizing he's like I'm sorry
I bullied Tommy Doyle I'm sorry I'm you know like I bullied all these other kids so he's
kind of like freaking like begging for his life and like apologizing for everything that
he's done as a little kid that's what confused the shit out of me I thought Lonnie was the
one that was getting picked on no yeah so no in the original it was Tommy but in this
one at least from what we see of that night it's Lonnie who so like Lonnie got a taste
of his own medicine I guess okay which you know like that makes me feel a little different
then about like the whole that whole situation okay I mean did you like actually does it
see like I thought I was actually going to hate that like they made Lonnie more of a
presence in this movie but like the I really liked the kid that they picked I mean this
is more so going to acting but I love what they added to him and especially when he's
an he's an adult I actually really like where they took his story so I was actually okay
that they added a lot to his lore in this than what was originally in 1978 the 1978
original okay yeah I had those characters so ass backwards okay like I had them so confused
like I thought throughout this whole thing that Tommy was the one getting everyone hyped
up right yes okay I thought Tommy was the one that was getting picked on and then Lonnie
wait so okay so okay so Tommy Doyle if from the original he is the one that Laurie Strode
does babysit he's the kid though yes he's the little boy that like when was it like
towards the beginning when Laurie Strode is about to drop the key off at the Myers house
he starts walking around with her and he's just like oh you can't go in there Lonnie
Elam says that's the boogeyman's house okay so Tommy was like the ringleader of everything
and then Lonnie so Lonnie picked on Tommy yes I don't know if you remember but like
this is like after they had gotten like out of school they were like getting ready to
go home and he's one of the kids that trips Tommy and Tommy falls on his pumpkin okay
I'm remembering that a little bit okay now shit maybe we should have like watched the
original Halloween before we watched this together we definitely should have it was
confusing like at least those two because I have them mixed up like I said thank you
like I thought Lonnie was the the ringleader like the one getting everyone hyped up like
I thought he was the bully wait wait he was he the bully Lonnie technically was the bully
okay did I had it backwards okay I thought okay so I had it backwards I thought I thought
Tommy was the bully and then Lonnie was the one getting picked on so that makes a lot
more sense now a lot of that stuff makes a lot more sense now okay cool at least like
story wise because like what I was telling you like because we kind of paused the movie
to discuss a little bit I thought it was so weird that Lonnie felt like he had to go in
and face Michael alone yeah I was just like why does like why like the most that happened
to him was he had a face-to-face interaction with Michael but it wasn't him it was Tommy
right what no no Lonnie is the one that had a face-to-face encounter Lonnie had the face
so yeah you were right Tommy son of a bitch did I the only exit did I accidentally come
up with an issue that actually worked okay so Lonnie Lonnie was the bully yes Lonnie
was Lon Lonnie is the kid that like tripped tripped and fell on the concrete and Michael
walked up to him and stood there I don't know how long he stood there but then walked away
then okay so I was absolutely correct then Lonnie had no reason to have like didn't have
that proper motivation to go face Michael alone if I think about it kind of I think
Lonnie actually has more of a reason because if I'm more than Tommy really I think so if
it if we're in regards to actually like who got the closest to Michael Myers because Tommy
literally um well maybe because the the closest I remember Tommy getting to Michael is when
Laurie see well him and Lindsay see him in the hallway and then Laurie shoves them into
a room really quickly and locks the door as far as I know that was actually like the only
time that Michael that Tommy fully saw Michael Myers okay but the I think the reason like
I feel like Tommy has more of a motivation to want to go after Michael than Lonnie does
because all Lonnie did was that face to face yeah like I don't think he had any real personal
connection like he called himself a survivor because he came face to face with Michael
Myers so I think his motivation for going in and being like I need to face him alone
like not he didn't really like say that but he had that mentality and I think that came
I felt like it came out of nowhere it's just kind of okay why yeah I mean like if you think
maybe like Tom I don't know I think maybe what they why they were saying like oh he
needs to go on it alone because he does say the line you know you're so stupid you brought
your kid into the belly of the beast and he didn't want I guess his kid I mean I wait
did Cameron's besides before he was killed did Cameron ever come face to face with Michael
Myers unless he came face to face with him in the first one no okay so I think maybe
that's why he didn't want he was hoping that he would be the one to kill Michael by himself
and so he didn't want his son to go through the same thing that he had to do even though
I mean I feel as a younger kid seeing a man like that walking towards you is going to
be a lot more traumatizing than say you're a high schooler like Cameron is agreed because
I'll fully admit the situation that Lonnie was in with just Michael just walking down
the freaking sidewalk I'd probably piss my pants because that's some scary shit yeah
so I think that was just like one big plot hole for me it's just like why did he like
like if I'm fully like I fully would have accepted had he been like listen your kids
you stay in here or you stay out here it's safer out here blah blah blah I would have
fully accepted that a lot more than I need to do this like that kind of attitude yeah
like I if they would have just made that shift I probably would have accepted that scene
a lot better okay but yeah it was just like yeah whatever so I think that was like my
biggest my biggest gripe with the I'd say the one thing that I actually would have loved
to see is Lonnie and Tommy both facing Michael Myers together I would have loved that because
I actually love that even though Lonnie was a bully to Tommy as a kid the dramatic experience
that they went through as children actually like brought them like really close together
and they actually formed a really good friendship I actually love that idea and I think that
would have been a really cool idea if they were actually able to face Michael Myers together
I absolutely agree with you that would have been so much better
but at least there is one surviving member from besides Laurie Strode from the original
cast and I think she actually confirmed that she is going to be in Halloween ends Lindsey
Wallace is still alive yeah that's gonna be great so kind of see how she deals with the
that trauma of seeing him again yeah I would have at least liked to see either Lonnie or
Tommy make it out of this one like why did they both have to die yeah yeah that kind
of sucked and I think another thing I think Tommy just died in a very unsatisfying way
yeah the only thing like satisfying thing about his death was that like the final blow
to him was with the old huckleberry bat but I don't know for how much like he like for
what he went through that night and like you know like he got all these mobs together and
like truly wanting to take down Michael Myers once and for all yeah he kind of went out
and kind of like a not a pussy kind of way but a way that is not it wasn't that memorable
I agree I think honestly it was a was a Marion yes yep yeah I think Marion got a better
kill than then Tommy did I felt so bad for his cuz one well okay so before she died exactly
how she should have in the first or in like the original yeah well first before we get
to Michael's craftsmanship I feel so bad for Michael opens the door cuz it's her and this
husband and wife and like Lindsay's SUV and they're trying to fight off Michael and so
Michael opens the like driver's side door cuz Marion's in the passenger and she aims
the gun at him and she's just like hey Michael this is for dr. Loomis and it jams I don't
know yeah she was out yeah she was out of bullets yeah she was yeah sorry she was out
of bullets and I'm just like I knew that was gonna happen but it still sucked and so I
think like he stabs her like five times in the stomach um and then you know Michael being
the craftsmanship that he is takes a silver shamrock mask that those kids had dropped
before and puts the couple on a carousel or not carousel what the hell is it called um
the spinning thing that they have in uh playgrounds I don't know what that's called yeah I think
I honestly I call them carousels carousels okay we're just gonna call it a carousel um
and then I feel Marion's is the worst because he has her freaking hanging by one of the
uh swing chains it's so sad like honestly that is so sad dude it's freaking brutal yeah
yeah um like honestly like fair warning if you guys are not I mean if you guys have like
listened this far you really don't care if the movie gets spoiled for you but if you
guys do actually want to go and watch this movie please know that this is the brutalist
Michael Myers has ever been if you are not a fan of gore if you are not a fan of a lot
of blood gut spewing you're not going to probably enjoy this movie like you're probably going
to get a very queasy stomach yep they do not hold back at all yeah okay I don't care what
they show you I do not consider myself a queasy person like I can handle gore fairly easy
like I've watched the saw movies I've had like a little like oh that doesn't seem right
like those types of issues um yeah I think the most like guttural reaction I've had at
least of with a horror movie lately was ready or not when she had a hole blown through her
hand and she like slapped it over a nail like I lost my mind I was like no like can't handle
that um this may gave me lots of guttural reactions just like oh my gosh like just things
that were just hard to watch yeah it was rough and it's usually like it's always with shit
that goes through like the face um so there's a there's a couple living in Michael Myers
house and one of the guys that that dies Michael like lifts up his arm and stabs him in the
armpit like I don't know why that one just like meal like oh my gosh dude that's fair
because like honestly like you never think of someone's stag stabbing someone there so
I think that's why you're kind of just like oh okay yeah and it was just like the little
shit too like at the end he's like he's like slicing all these people he like cuts their
throat and I'm like okay whatever and then there's like one lady that like tries to kick
him and she cuts like the back of her foot I'm like jeez yeah exactly I'm like bloody
hell um oh and then the the the asylum patient that freaking jumped off of the the hospital
like he was like when they cut to him like usually usually like when I think of like
other times where horror movies have done where they've gotten pushed off a building
fallen off a building whatever they're usually like hitting a car and then they're still
intact they're just all bloodied with like shrapnel everywhere glass everywhere whatever
yeah or in other cases where they're just like completely splattered across the floor
unrecognizable this dude was like splattered across he was like half and half yeah like
he was splattered across like the floor but you could still like make out his face and
for some reason that just made it worse oh yeah yeah that is like honestly the one time
in this movie like I that is like the one death like I struggle sometimes watching just
not only because of the circumstance but because it's so freaking gruesome and usually I'm
very good at handling horror movies it's very rare that I can't handle anything I'm I'm
pretty good when it comes to handling blood all of these kills were gruesome yeah I think
the one thing that like made me just like oh shit like the most was when he was attacking
Marion in the SUV Marion and that that couple because I think what was so gruesome like
what made me like oh shit like Michael not messing around he was walking around with
the bloody mask of a child we had seen earlier yeah like we didn't see a child we didn't
like we didn't see a murder child it was just heavily implied and holy shit was it heavily
implied yes very very much so and that was just like a visceral just oh shit like for
me and then like the way that he like went and attacked Marion again the exact same way
that she was attacked in the first or in the original like he I kind of like slapping the
windows talking to her yeah it's like it's almost like he's just like oh someone in the
car better pull this move out it's just kind of like you weren't special Marion he does
it for everyone and I think that was like a like a big reaction for me too like how
stupid she was because she wasn't it like the same issue kind of like she didn't have
a weapon in that one right no basically what happened is so like in the original he does
the same thing with the window and then and then I think what was it I think after that
she actually does jump she does get out of the car and then he climbs down from the roof
and gets into the car and drives away okay yeah so with this one it's the same thing
he slaps the window breaks it does the exact same thing she doesn't shoot through the roof
like you know a normal person would and she's like trying to shoot him through the windows
like anytime he like reveals himself and I'm like bitch the most you're gonna get is his
hand yeah and you can see that he's perfectly fine with only having a couple fingers yeah
so like he jumps down goes to it like attack her but gets it like attacked by the the husband
of the like of the couple and I think like his death was just like another one that was
really hard for me to watch because he takes a knife and just stabs it like not even like
in the dude's eye it was like through the dude's cheek into his eye yeah and then it
was just the way that his face was like sticking out a little bit like you could see the knife
inside his head that made me just like and so that was like another guttural reaction
out of me and then easily my favorite death and it was because it was so freaking funny
was his wife like his wife is like shoot like Michael's just sitting in the in the driver
seat and she's just unloading this gun on him or attempting to and he's just like sitting
there she's like shooting to the left of him shooting to the right of him misses a few
times and he's just kind of sitting there and then he he just kicks the door and it
like flips the gun on her and she blows her own brains out and it was freaking hilarious
you shouldn't laugh like like you tell Michael like it's to the point he's just like bitch
are you serious yeah like it was just that like that posture he's just kind of like just
like he wasn't even moving he's just sitting there and then she's just like walking towards
him missing and then he's like boom kicks the door like Spartan kicks the door and apparently
no one taught her trigger safety and she shoots herself in the face and it was just it was
so quick yeah and like it was probably the least brutal of all the kills but it was freaking
hilarious yeah it was you shouldn't have laughed at a kill but yeah that one's really freaking
funny yeah like i think it was just the way that it happened no that's fair that's absolutely
fair yeah so i thought that was great but yeah i think my personal favorite uh kill
of michael's in this had to be Cameron's at the at the end you know what that's fair that
one so that one he's in he's in the the Myers house um Allison is got thrown down the stairs
broke her leg and is basically calling Michael out and so he's bushwhacking Cameron like
he smashes his face through the um uh the railing of the of the stairs or kind of or
the the the guard like he smashes his face through that and then just like reaches over
grabs his head and just like is slamming it like left right down like over over and just
like basically just beating the shit out of this kid like with his head against like these
posts and so like the dude's like freaking just like bleeding out and just like and whatever
and so yeah Allison calls him down and so he's just like all right walks around the
stairs starts coming down stops when he's like right next to Cameron's head and just
flips his head backwards i'm just like like oh my god like it's so good so good like i
knew it was coming i'm just like actually i didn't like not not in that way like i
was thinking like okay what's Michael gonna do with this one like this is this is gonna
be great like i thought he was just gonna like oh i knew what i thought he was gonna
do i i thought he was gonna like grab his head and like put like basically like snap
it down okay that'd been a cool way to do it yeah i think that would have been cool
but i love like just the brutality of like just grabbing and just like flipping his head
backwards and then continuing to go down to to Allison and i'm like shit honestly the
fact that this movie for the most part to me at least redeems Cameron from only 2018
i actually felt bad for him that he died in that way i don't remember how big of a douche
he was so i did not have that like connection of like oh he's like he's fine now i was just
like oh shit like that sucks um i mean if we're if we're saying like our favorite kill um
and this is on this was like mine since the first time i saw it it's when Michael kills
this uh couple both times both of their initial being killed is he breaks a uh one of those
like strip light bulbs and jabs it into their necks um and so after he does the so he does
the husband and then he does the wife and then um after he does it to the wife he drags
the husband's body back into the kitchen and lays his body over the kitchen table and i'm
i swear he does this like five freaking times he he looks at like their knife selection on
their like knife uh hold like magnet holding uh board and it's just taking one each individually
looking at it see if he wants it wants it and if he doesn't he stabs it into the guy's
back and he just does this like five freaking times i think i think it was like five times
while the wife is bleeding to death on the floor and finally he gets a good selection
and then walks away and i don't know why just maybe it's just so effed up and it's so brutal
but that is my favorite kill which is how he just keeps stabbing the knives into the
guy's back yeah dude and it was i think it like what was intimidating about that one
was his posture like it wasn't like a very robotic like grab a knife stab like grab a
knife stab it was like the way that he was just like his hands were just kind of up by
his chest and then he would like reach over grab one and then like yeah and then like
go like crazy and stab and then he'd like go back to like that like selection posture
like oh i'm gonna try picking that i'm gonna try picking that like it was just like very
like close and up high like that's where his hands were the entire time and then he would
like nope and then like go into like a brutal stabbing and then just go right back up into
that very like delicate selection posture like i don't know how else to describe it
other than no you t-rex you explained it perfectly no that is the perfect way to explain it and
yeah that i don't know just that fact alone like you said just how he like admires the
knife for a minute and then he brutally stabs it into the guy's back like just made it my
favorite kill of the movie yeah um so yeah story sitting at an 82 and i think i think
we talked about a lot of stuff that we could have thrown in effects yeah but hey you know
what means we can get to the score faster maybe in effects yeah so yeah sitting at 82
for story yeah uh moving on over to writing uh we're sitting at an 84 um so i actually
went higher with with my what did i give this actually you gave it a 78 okay what did you
give it i gave it a 90 and like i wanted to hear your thoughts because like your scores
were like your your the difference between your story and writing was only like two points
yeah like the difference between my story and my writing was like six and it's just
because i thought like and i'll just get into it real quick like everyone knows i hate wasted
writing or unnecessary dialogue there wasn't anything that came out of this movie that
i felt was like unnecessary the only reason that i get i docked it those 10 points from
100 was because of like just the classic like dialogue that you're just like okay whatever
like just the the weird little throwaway lines um yeah and it was usually like the weird
conversations people would have before michael came in and was just like would bushwhack
the shit out of them so that was like my my only issue that's fair um can i actually change
my score yeah sure if you want yeah dude like the more that i think about like the lines
lines that like tommy had and lani had yeah i'm going up to an 85 because um i think the
biggest one that stands out like honestly i don't know why i get like freaking goosebumps
every time is when uh tommy first gets to uh hattonfield hospital inside at least and
you know he's telling like everybody uh you know uh the boogeyman is at large michael
meyers has like no choice but to emerge and when he does there will be no uh there will
be no holding back there will be you know we're just gonna go after him um and this
is like all i remember from the part is and he says uh michael meyers will be executed
tonight and and it will not go without witness we need all of you evil dies tonight and the
way he freaking says it just gets you so freaking hyped and i oh my gosh like i like i get freaking
goosebumps every single time he says evil dies tonight in that one part i freaking love
it so much dude it was so good it was so good the only like just trying to like think more
like think of specifics on what i docked for um i think i docked for everything the uh
the sheriff or marshall like whoever the hell that like that main dude was uh the cop the
one that was the one i was in the other uh bed with lori no not him the uh the sheriff
or whoever the hell was that was basically saying like i am the law and he was like just
getting overrun by these people like he was so he was worthless as shit like he's just
like hey we don't do that like i am the law like i am like i will bring justice and that
are and then tommy was just like well you haven't done shit man like like we got this
yeah he's like we watched your department fail miserably tonight yeah and it's almost
like the dude got smacked in the face and just had like a ringing in his ears and because
like the next time you see him he's like sitting in the stairwell just like staring off into
space i'm like so dumb like like thinking oh what happened to you are the law you know
honestly like thinking about him i think back to holland 2018 when hawkins you know like
said hey you know this is the guy that you need to watch that escaped when the bus crashed
and he's just like whoa michael meyers loose in hattonfield on halloween night man we're
gonna have a circus on our hands but what are we gonna do cancel halloween that's exactly
what you do like hawkins said in halloween 2018 there is a reason you guys are supposed
to be afraid of this night yeah like i that is actually one line that i remember from
that movie like what are we supposed to do cancel halloween i'm like yeah that's exactly
what you're supposed to do tell everybody to stay inside and put out a huge manhunt
for michael meyers that's what you do but yeah i think that's why i docked it as as
much as i did otherwise i think the script was damn near flawless yeah like like hell
i've never been like i've i don't think i've ever gotten like hyped up by writing in a
halloween movie but freaking the writing that they did for tommy and then like honestly
um i know it's like a small scene but like when like tommy and lani are like talking
about like hey you know like the only way that uh we're gonna do this is if we uh work
together and he's like you're goddamn right and he freaking just shows the arsenal what
he has and tommy's just like do you even have a permit for these and he's just like some
of them freaking loved that writing that was great um yeah i think tommy's evil dies tonight
speech definitely shows how powerful the mob mentality is and it's terrifying yeah
it is so scary um and i think that like it did an amazing job at reflecting that absolutely
um so writing is sitting at an 87.5 now hell yeah so it is significantly better yeah it's
significantly higher than the story and i think the reason that it could it scored that high
too is because like the because the dialogue worked so well and because like story wise
the story is based on this movie alone but it's hard to justify giving it a low score
because the story and this one wasn't super great because of how connected it is to the
first one so i think it would be unfair to be like okay only this movie yes just because
of how much it relies on previous material really quickly i just want your opinion um
kind of not like going back to story but kind of story based when hawkins tells lori that
he's not after him basically he's a six-year-old boy in a grown man's body that literally the
only thing i mean they don't know why he kills but basically the only reason that they see
why he does what he does is because he only has one thing that he wants to do and that
is to go home do you like did you like that did you like that they didn't make it to where
like yeah no he's just strictly after lori when in halloween 2018 it's clear that the
only reason that he gets to lori's house is because dr sartain takes him there yeah i
i loved that i loved that like how confused people were on on his motivations throughout
the whole thing like i think what got got him worked up like and especially i think
why the mob fell for like that mentality so fast is because unfortunately that that the
other patient came into that hospital and i think with tommy hearing oh michael i think
it's karen's fault actually like why that happened because she was so on the on the
team of like oh michael's coming for her coming for lori like he's obsessed with her like
he's coming here and tommy was just like all right well we know he's coming here and it
honestly makes sense because people were like or that couple was like michael's in our in
our front seat and so he would have at least from where he was he would have been able
to see that guy so he honestly would have thought oh that's michael because i don't
think on the news i don't think they showed um the names of the the the patients no i
don't think they did yeah they only showed the pictures so it makes sense that he would
have like gone that hard at that man yeah one like after uh after um mr tavoli commits
suicide um bracket says like hey it's not him and tommy's just like how do you know
we've only seen him wear a mask yeah i'm like that's one way to justify your murder yeah
that's one way to justify that you have blood on your hands now but okay sure yeah because
it's like how could anyone deny that they have blood on their anyone involved in that
situation yeah but i mean just truly shows what fear can do to not only a person but
a community exactly um yeah and that's getting into um to acting too i feel
um like i said writing was sitting at an 87.5 moving on over to acting um i'm not sure how
you did this unfortunately i didn't grade lori i i did a little bit um and i mean not
as much as all the other characters um there is definitely one actor that did bring it
down for me who was that um it was actually and i felt really bad for this it was uh sheriff
bracket or lee bracket whatever um for me and i feel like the only like true one of
the biggest lines that he delivers is when he's just like oh he killed my daughter 40
years ago and desecrated her body evil dies tonight i don't know the acting just wasn't
that strong in my opinion and honestly you could say that in any line that he says even
when he says uh you know oh hey michael it's halloween everyone's entitled to one good
scare it didn't feel as good as it did in the original yeah honestly i think what he
should have done was like a battle cry for his daughter that would have made a bit more
sense and i think what just didn't sell he just didn't sell that it was his daughter
hard enough i think that if he would have like started breaking down or something like
been a little bit more choked up when he's talking about what michael did i think that
that would have made the scene a lot more powerful that's fair um but yeah the ones
that i scored like one was uh judy greer who played karen um i definitely graded uh anthony
michael hall who played tommy yes um and then i also did uh robert longstreet who played
lani everyone else i just kind of threw into a different category and what about allison
and cameron allison and cameron i didn't throw in too much because i didn't think their roles
were like that significant i feel out i don't know i feel allison actually had a lot to
do in this one in a way but she she felt like such a background character to me okay let's
see where it comes from um but yeah and then i think i graded um james jude cortney a little
bit like i gave him some points too like it was almost like bonus points because he did
really well oh my god he has the mannerisms the movement just everything down of what
how the shape moves like that part after uh like karen grabs his mask and starts running
away the way that like he has his like shoulders like kind of just like slunched down and just
the way that like he's like just oh my god so perfect i can't get over how perfectly
he walks as michael meyers just everything is perfect he does such a great job he deserves
so much credit oh my god i love james jude cortney dude you want to talk about perfect
like let's freaking talk about uh erin armstrong who played michael back in the 70s yeah um
the only problem that i have with his performance it's honestly the end when it's uh like the
whole like pan out shot when all of the cops have uh their guns on michael um he's the
way he's standing like slunched over um and like just i don't know from like from seeing
the original halloween so much i'm sorry that is not how michael would that's not how michael
stands in one place um so how would you describe his posture michael stands like very like straight
up um like boot like his like boots were like kind of it looked like he was almost like
standing cross foot um michael would definitely be standing uh boots uh faced forward standing
up straight hands to his side which he was he did have his hands to his side um but just
he definitely seemed like a little not maybe like hunched over up like in his back but
just like in his knees and his legs i think that's what was kind of like not working for
me was the legs the upper portion was fine the upper portion was perfect it's just the
knees and the legs that the actor needed to work on when he was though like actually like
walking down the streets of haddonfield oh my gosh he nailed it he was great um but that
and maybe um like the walking down the stairs when uh bracket not bracket um hawkins is
like shooting at him before he walks out the door and like is caught um i don't know that
like walking kind of seemed a little bit weird to me for michael meyers i'll give you that
um but no overall like the actor that they chose to play young michael did a great job
i'm like i'm trying not to be like an asshole and like nitpick because overall he did a
great job i'm very pleased with his performance yeah honestly i was most impressed with the
uh out of everything was the the past scenes the the scenes from 78 they did such a great
job looking like they took those actually out of the original halloween they amazing
job whoever like did uh the uh like aging effect of the film or where like the type
of like camera work that they did um outstanding job yeah they did amazing um yeah i so we
ended like did i say what we ended up giving acting uh you did not yeah so we're sitting
at an 81 so it's like which i might i'm actually going to adjust my score bring it down with
just just a hair what is yours at i was sitting at like an 86 so i'm bringing mine down to
like an 82 what am i at a 76 i probably would actually stick with that yeah so that bumps
um acting down to a 79 okay see i think i can definitely agree with that yeah and i
think it was just like what ended up bringing it down was all these extras um i think the
main cast which i i consider anthony michael hall's character tommy and lani to kind of
be the main players yeah um lori was kind of down for the count for a majority yeah
lori is definitely sidelined in this movie and nothing against jamie lee curtis i know
i think she was like trying something different with lori in here and for me it kind of didn't
work um this is definitely not her best acting what did you think she was trying to do i've
been told that she was kind of trying to do like a surviving sarah connor kind of vibe
i don't know like she was good but just not like great as i've seen her in the past as
lori yeah i think what what what ruined it was like her her attitude about michael being
dead it was just almost too positive like yeah like almost like oh like excited like
oh i can go back to my life can go back to normal not realizing that she spent her entire
life ready to face this man i lost 40 years trying to or waiting for this guy to escape
so i could actually kill him yeah i like shit almost like feeling like i almost would have
preferred her to start feeling like okay now what feelings yeah i would yeah i would have
actually loved that yeah so i think i i definitely agree she she could have been done better
um honestly everyone could have done better i think the standouts were definitely tommy
and lani i think um karen stood out for me towards the end with the part where she's
just like you want to you want to kill someone take me um i'm an innocent woman just like
you're i don't know i actually really liked that part um just i don't know just the way
that she says uh uh it was right here she was in her bedroom at your house can't you
feel it just i don't know why i like that scene actually a lot i didn't care for it
as much i thought she was uh understandable like i liked her a lot better in the the first
one because of how badass of a scene she had when she was like almost like crying when
michael was coming at her and then she just like got you bitch yes like that was like
such a great moment they try to replicate that and i think it just came off like really
bad that's right i mean i do like that she supposedly gets the final blow to michael
but it turns out it's not yeah i have an updated theory on that which we can get into later
okay um i love it yeah so acting is sitting at a 79 uh moving on over to our character
development which we're changing to logic um i i went a little bit on the low side with
this one um i know you went a lot higher you were you were sitting at a 90 i was sitting
at a 78 and i think the reason i went that low was because i felt like they were trying
to take a more realistic approach towards uh michael yeah and so just that that realism
like all of the kills i thought were were really well really well done and like just
showed like the true horror of like of certain like these types of deaths um but i think
what what killed it for me was just michael's invincibility that's fair i mean the way i
guess like the way that you can back that up is how lori says the more he kills the
more he transcends into the epitome of evil and of course the epitome of evil can't be
stopped there's nothing that can kill true evil yeah but it's almost like it was taking
like a supernatural super it's going back to a supernatural approach for michael and
for something that they were trying to set in reality like i don't think like anyone
should have gotten like a fatal blow to to michael like i could have accepted the like
allison stabbing him in the stomach but you started you lost me like big time like you
started you yeah you started losing me big time when um uh karen stabs him in the back
with that pitchfork i'm like no like no normal like like not even like slightly slight no
slight superhuman could survive a freaking direct stab by a pitchfork like to the spine
i mean come on yeah fair enough so that's where i was like a little bit lost and then
he got like shot multiple times and like again and i'm like you are a 70 year old man 60
year old man like i'm calling bullshit yeah how does he seem stronger at 60 than he did
in his 20s yeah that was another thing who uh who the hell did he do this to like one
of his kills he like lifted up into the air i'm trying to remember which one was it at
the end i don't think it was at the end i can't remember yeah oh the oh one of the
firefighters that's right he took a firefighter and lifted him off the the ground with one
hand well no technically it was two because remember he was holding that uh like pickaxe
and he stabbed it into him and raised him up above ah that's right okay whatever regardless
a firefighter in all of his gear hammy when you're as pissed off as michael meyers is
i i can do anything weight training program did they have at that mental hospital yeah
right like they're just like here this will help fix your brain working out can i get
put into smithscrove like your mind is so broken you need to be working out all the
time like it's almost like he's getting trained by arnold swartzenegger like it was just like
the way that he like lifted him up in the air i'm like it's super epic kill super epic
but then you have to like remember oh he's like 60 yeah i mean hey you know sometimes
people in their 60s are in their prime i know a lot of people in their 60s and no they're
not i actually know one guy that is in his 60s and like he's very much in his prime like
he isn't such great shape like in good enough shape to lift up a firefighter in full gear
okay this guy's a little on the shorter side um so i don't know if he could do that but maybe
yeah so that one i was just like okay that's a little bit too too superhuman for me like
above average strength i could have accepted fully accepted yeah um but it's just like that crazy
superhuman strength that i'm like and the superhuman durability too like when he's getting
shot multiple times or just getting bushwhacked by all these people getting the direct stab to the
to the back like he was for talking about that talking about that mob scene did you see that
one lady that brought a freaking iron to the yeah what the shit was she going to do i mean
i mean i don't know i guess an iron can do a lot of damage but evil gets straightened out tonight
all right there we go um yeah so that's honestly why i went as low as i did it's just like that
extra that's extra superhuman stuff like i could have i could have handled a little bit
it's just the excessive amount that i'm like that pulled me out that's fair i mean i don't
know for me like i actually am able to buy all of that stuff because the way that lori explains it
that how he is he is the essence of evil the more he kills the more he transcends into like i said
the epitome of evil he is the definition of true evil of pure evil and so i feel that's kind of
that's the reason why they explain how he can survive through all this shit because evil never
dies if you're the epitome of evil you never die um so for the most part at least to me i feel they
back that up decently um so that's why i went so high and i i can believe that michael could
holy shit massacre and be able to freaking have the human superhuman strength at 60 because
i mean they must have been feeding him the like the good shit of protein in uh smith's grove yeah
some freaking miracle crow and and hearty steaks straight up yeah and i think what i liked about
lor i really liked lori's speech about like not being able to kill um the epitome of evil
like i really liked that it's just with how much damage he had already taken
that's fair i get that like had like if um
i'm trying to think stabs to the stabs to the stomach by allison fine whatever like
you can recover from that like people survive worse
the it was the stabbed in the back with the pitchfork where you lost me i'm like yeah
it's understandable i get it and then being able to take on like a whole town for a good little
while before getting his ass whooped and then being able to get up from their like brutal beatings
and just massacre all of them i have expected like an audio line just come in and say got you
bitch yeah a little bit like pulls out the knife just gets back yeah like it's just like i probably
could have accepted the the world-class beating that he got had he just not like had that one
chick not shot him a bunch of times i'm like okay you're you're dead now otherwise we're getting
into the superhuman aspect or uh the paranormal aspect of the movie and from what i've been able
to tell so far they've tried to do away with that yeah so if they just take like a full
um full look at or not a full look if they um
if they decide to dot to do like a just a deep dive into the supernatural realm then i'll be
a little bit more forgiving of this and i would probably even go as far as saying we
i could go in and change my score okay but since i doubt that that's the route that they're going
to go and yeah never mind no um not not theory time yet not theory time yet um yeah i think
i think i'm happy with with my score where it's at right now so it's it's sitting at an 84
okay that's not bad i like it moving on over to effects uh we're sitting at an 89.5
and i thought these effects were freaking great yeah they um like the prosthetics were amazing
and i know caleb wanted to point something out and i think i know what he's gonna point out and
i absolutely agree but caleb yeah um when they did the flashbacks to 1978
they had like i thought it was like a cgi replication of dr lumis but you informed me
it wasn't it was all prosthetics yep and holy shit did it look amazing right oh it really did
look like donald pleasance dude it oh my gosh like you could have told me it was donald pleasance and
i probably would have believed you yeah right like the only thing that i feel was like maybe
a little off was the voice but it still worked yeah so someone else i think the reason that the
voice seemed off um was because they had someone are do the uh yeah they had someone play his body
and then they did had someone do his voice so sometimes i think the audio just doesn't quite
line up so it ends up looking weird what's cool though is uh the guy that did the voice for dr
lumis actually did the same uh voice for him when they did that uh like audio file in halloween
2018 yeah so that was that was really cool so i i thought he did an amazing job oh yeah um yeah but
holy shit did that look real right oh they did such a good job i loved it i was so fooled by
that yeah when like because when i hear like uh when uh hawkins is attending to uh his fellow
officer and you hear lumis saying uh you know stay back the evil is here i'm like no they're just
doing like that audio file aren't they and then hawkins goes to the stairwell and you see him like
pop up in the doorway i'm like no they did not i got so freaking hyped dude and i i was just like
okay like they're doing this at a distance and then they did a close-up and i'm like aren't you
shitting me yeah so good like oh my gosh like that alone probably could have scored this movie 100
oh yeah i absolutely agree it was so yeah but this i think what what docked it for me was um
maybe just um like just it was some issues that i think most horror movies have is just maybe going
a little bit overboard on the on the gore um not fair not overboard in a bad way it's just
overboard just it's almost like just slightly crossing the line of real yeah no no that's fair
which i feel like you can easily do um i still gave it like a little bit of a little bit of a
little bit i still gave it like really high i actually gave it higher than you
um i feel uh another thing to really touch on is the incredible uh work that they did on the mask
this time because my god the burn effects that they did looked incredible um i loved this mask
just as much as i love the 2018 mask yep i loved that they were able to replicate how the mask
originally looked in the 1978 version oh my gosh they did amazing they did so perfect and
they got everything right like anytime michael was in the light you could see some of his like his
skin showing and some of his eyes and then they made sure i felt they try to make sure um when
you were in the uh the present or 2018 whatever you want to call it um in regards to this um
they tried to i think they tried to make it so you never saw this like his skin it was always
blackness when you looked at his mask yeah so i i loved that like honestly the only time that i
think i saw actually his eyes in his mask was when um the mob is starting to surround him and i think
like they just got like one one i think like one street light or one of the headlights caught his
mask and you can see his eye but like it's still dark enough to where like it still looks like it's
the devil's eyes it's the black the it's still the black eyes yeah like almost catching like a bit of
a glare from his eyeball yeah yeah exactly yeah i easily forgivable oh yeah absolutely
um but yeah so effects is sitting at an 89.5 hell yeah moving on over to music um we are sitting at
a nine you bitch i'm just kidding how dare you get john carpenter anything less than a 10 it was an
amazing an amazing um score like it's it's hard to argue like the score is like absolutely iconic
it's just i felt like they didn't do anything new with that and i felt like they thought there was um
i felt like there were times where they just overused the music when they should have tried
using like working on um with silence a little bit more i think it would have really enhanced
the scene had they tried to go quiet okay well understandable yeah but i mean a nine freaking
chill well i'm sorry whenever john carpenter comes back to do the scores for any halloween movies
to me he gets a 10 yeah you're lucky i didn't dock for that damn um credit song that that played
yeah okay that song was garbage yeah um well because i never actually like watched the full
credits so i just didn't even know that that played until i watched it with you i was like
what the hell is this shit yeah no joke let's just be playing the classic halloween theme here not
this modern age bullshit yeah it's like they threw some random like poppy halloweeny song
it just like felt so off tone honestly i think would have like if you didn't want to do the
halloween theme do the like that song that the uh big john was listening to the ghost and goblins
will come and gobble you up or some shit like that that would work perfectly that would work
amazingly um so yeah i think that's why it it scored a nine okay i can i can understand that
moving on over to costumes we're also giving this one a nine um this is yeah taking place in
halloween everyone kind of have like a really cool costume on um i thought it was really funny the
one of the couples from the bar uh they were dressed the wife was dressed as a nurse and the
husband was dressed like a doctor and their professions he was a a nurse and she was the
doctor i just love the way won he says i should have guessed
like it's fun it's all yeah no it's it's very fun um but honestly i think the one that were
were both going to just like fawn over is michael's costume yeah it's it's perfect
i mean it was it was perfect in halloween 2018 and it's just as perfect here yeah so so good
just like uh like you can't beat his iconic look no like it's uh he's one of like the the horror
icon staples like right there with i wouldn't even say he's like he's i think he's above
most of them but he's up there with freaking freddy and jason like oh yeah they're so michael's
number one in my book but yeah i think i definitely think michael
he has like a very iconic shadow yes there's a reason why he's called the shape yeah i think
if you were trying to get like super picky i think you could definitely make the argument that jason
or freddy have a more like distinguished looking uh shadow not sting yeah that's not the right word
just a more it's easily more easily recognizable okay and it's just because of their like their
staples like the hockey mask like you can't do like a a jason silhouette and not have the holes
for the hockey mask that's true um very true and then freddy i mean you got the claws like that's
just a dead ass giveaway and then you can't do that because of the
like the
yeah but i think there's just something about michael and his like crazy stature
so intimidating and i love it like i want to see how like big michael is
Can't remember if he's six foot or not.
Yeah, Michael is six three.
Now, which is that based off Rob Zombie's or this timeline? This is going based off of
James Jude Courtney's height. Okay. Okay, perfect.
Nick Castle who played him in 1978 was a little bit smaller. He was five foot ten.
Oh, so it's my height.
Yeah.
Let's see. Tyler Maine. Honestly, you barely notice I feel. I never noticed. Yeah, Tyler Maine who played Michael in
2007 was six nine.
Yeah, he definitely will always, I feel he will always be the tallest Michael Myers.
Yeah, freaking giant.
So yeah, I think the established height for him is about
like
six three six four.
Okay, it's not bad.
Yeah, so I
I think I do want to point out like costumes wise. I love that they did like a nod to Halloween 3 with the three silver
shamrock masks, the witch, the skull and the pumpkin.
I freaking love that. That was a very nice nod. I haven't seen the third one. So I didn't catch that. That's awesome.
Just know
Halloween 3 has nothing to do with Michael Myers. Yeah, that's what I've heard. That's why I haven't like tried
going out of my way to watch it. I actually really like Halloween 3. I feel like it's too much hate. Like as a standalone movie?
Yeah, it's a very good anthology Halloween movie because that was John Carpenter's original idea.
He didn't want it to just focus on Michael Myers. He wanted to do other storylines like horror like horror
storylines for the actual like day of Halloween. Right.
So,
so, yeah.
Hard to argue with that. So, like I said, we're sitting at a nine with costumes.
All right, last up we're gonna get into our personal grade and I'll give my theory.
I'll let you like we'll leave out on yours. So I'm gonna give
this movie an 82.
I had an absolute blast with this movie and
it was just so much fun
to see all the like just the brutality of
Michael in this. It was just
it just it made the character scarier.
Like then he already was like it's just like oh the shape like the boogeyman or whatever and it was just like
it was just terrifying to see just how insane like he didn't give a shit.
Like what he did to anyone. It was just
it was an amazing thing to watch.
The ending though.
I know that the
I'm not sure if we yeah, I'm pretty sure we discussed it at the end.
Karen goes up to Michael's sister's room and looks out the window.
And
then she gets attacked by Michael.
Supposedly dies. I'm assuming she dies.
If so I have like a theory
that maybe
because it's it did very much seem like the the group
uh, like the mob got taken off guard.
Yeah, so my theory is that Karen
and this is like just
I'm pretty sure like the actual answer is that Michael just didn't die.
But if Michael died Michael died.
Um, but if Michael died my theory is
that
Karen
just somehow snapped
and
she like went back to the scene where the mob was and basically just attacked them.
Maybe took the the Michael mask
and attacked everyone.
Because then no one would be suspecting her everyone would have suspected Michael.
And just been like just chalked it up to oh Michael kill.
And the reason we saw her in the bedroom looking out the window like she did is because she was just kind of like
getting in Michael's head a little bit.
And then that like maybe that was just like the snapping point. And so what what we really saw was
the Michael in her head.
Like
basically killing off
her or killing her off.
And so maybe in the next movie she becomes like Michael and then it becomes like a face off between
Lori and Karen.
Like I'm probably grasping at straws here.
But
I mean no no like it's a very interesting theory the only
problem I have with it is the whole like mob scene that you say that like it was actually like Karen under the mask because
I don't know how she would be able to do that when he was the one like he would like they were still surrounding him when he was
on the floor supposedly dead.
Right well I'm not I think that maybe we were just seeing it from like
her mental perspective.
If okay like her mental perspective is that she
like became Michael.
Okay, and so like what we were seeing was Karen attacking everyone but in her mind like kind of from her
her point of view or what her point of view would have been had it been like this like had
there been like a mental
aspect of Michael inside of her.
Okay, that's like just
another like grasping at straws.
No, I mean it's not a bad theory. Yeah, that's just like if Michael's dead. I'm a yeah
if you were to tell me okay like
put money down on what you think it actually is I think Michael is actually just alive.
Yeah, I would probably I I would agree but no like I actually really like that theory. I think it's a good theory. Yeah, like there's
I'm trying to think of like another movie where it
like it does this.
But it's just like oh this entire time we think it's it's Michael, but it's actually Karen.
Like and Karen just snapped or something because like
the way that they explained what happened to Michael they're just like no one knows why he does what he does like he just snapped.
Yeah.
And so it's just like no one knows why he kills. No one knows why he does this like and like
what's-his-face Hawkins said. Like he's just a
six-year-old kid like stuck in a man's body.
Yep.
So I think that's like
I don't know just with like all the trauma that she
that Karen suffered and like with losing her husband
almost losing her daughter and just like all of that
traumatic
stuff going on like it wouldn't be a hard stretch to say that she snapped.
No, that's
it's fair. No, I get it.
Yeah, and then like if you wanted to and like in the next movie where Halloween ends, which
you said takes place four years after or is supposed to take place four years after? Yeah, I think um
David Gordon Green said there's gonna be a four-year time jump.
Okay, I mean that would give enough time for
either Karen or Mike that would give Michael time enough to heal.
I feel um
it would give
Lori enough time to heal
Allison too because she ended up breaking
Was it both her legs or just one?
I think it was just one. Okay. Yeah, so it would give her enough time to heal from that.
So yeah
that's that's my
my two cents about it like what I think but overall great movie an amazing sequel.
Yeah, only thing that I have to complain about is I wish that I would have watched
Halloween 2018 before
I watched this. That's fair. And then maybe just done like a quick recap of 1978's. Yeah.
Okay. Fair.
With me, this was one of my most hyped movies of the year behind
or it was either behind or ahead of Ghostbusters Afterlife probably at the same level.
It did not disappoint. I enjoyed the hell out of this movie.
It was a very good sequel to Halloween 2018. Michael Myers was as brutal as ever.
I loved that they brought back so many characters from the original and they gave them actually very good story arcs in my opinion.
So I'm gonna go an 85.
Alrighty that averages us out.
To an 83.5. Okay. Well done.
All right, and that concludes
this week's breakdown. So the final score for Halloween Kills has come to a
a B.
Hell yeah, I like it.
Yeah, it's um
definitely a more solid B. It's sitting at an 85.68%.
I like it.
Yeah, so let's see comparing this to
other B movies. Ooh.
This is this is close. This is actually taking our number two spot.
Really? Yeah, and in the movie, it's actually taking our number two spot.
Really? Yeah, in in B movies. So we have 22 B movies and this is ranked number two.
Hell yeah, what's number one? The Force Awakens.
Okay.
Hell yeah, sweet.
Yeah, so Halloween Kills is sitting at an 85.68%.
Everything I'm about to list off are some other B movies.
So Halloween Kills is above,
onward.
Ooh, and the margins are very close.
So like I said, Halloween Kills is at 85.68%. Onward is at 85.67%.
Damn. It is
a hundredth of a percentage off.
That's insane.
That is wild.
Next it's above Cruella, which was sitting at an 85.56%.
Then Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, which is sitting at an 85.43%.
Then The Lion King, which is sitting at an 85.1%.
And finally, it's above The Oath, which is sitting at an 85.
Okay, and then like I said, it's sitting below The Force Awakens, which was at an 85.8%.
So it's a 0.2% difference.
Hell yeah.
But the margins are like super close.
Damn, that's awesome.
Yeah, not even funny how close they were.
So,
let's see. I want to see where it's like ranked overall.
So it is sitting
at 62
of
148.
It's not bad. Yeah, it's still top 100.
Yeah.
So definitely not bad. Yeah, not too shabby at all.
Do you have anything else you want to say about Halloween kills?
Nope. Definitely go check it out.
I think it is definitely worth trying to get the Peacock free trial or whatever the hell you need to use to watch it.
Yeah.
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God, that was bad.
You didn't even try.
Shut up.
Just say you're deuces, bitch.
Well, now I don't want to.
That's what I thought.
You're deuces.