What is up bros?
Welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I'm Caleb.
And I'm Jonathan.
And we are joined by our very special guest, the unofficial third host of the All Bros
Podcast.
Did you hear that?
Crash!
Do you hear that?
Vic!
That's right.
I'm calling you out, brother.
The unofficial.
That's right.
That's the closest we're ever gonna get.
And don't either of you say he's the official third one, because I will quit this podcast
right now.
I mean, I was gonna say technically he's also the unofficial third.
But I'm sure I'm older, so I win.
So there you go.
This is gonna be a fun one.
I mean, when he puts out that logic, you really can't argue with him.
You know, you what did I say earlier?
You got to yield to wisdom, you know?
Just got to yield to wisdom sometimes.
And I am the unofficial third podcast host, the third All Bro.
It's a pleasure to be here, boys.
Hello.
Hey, this week on the podcast, we are going to be discussing the Spider-Man No Way Home
second trailer that got released yesterday.
Oh, good.
And then just kind of discuss what happened on Disney Plus Day.
I mean, or just talk about our favorites that came out of that.
I've had a really hard time putting what my top three is, but I think it's already not
my top one.
I have a top two and then a top confused one.
Like I have two that I'm really excited for and one that I'm very confused by.
Maybe you guys can enlighten me.
Yeah, it'll be an interesting discussion.
And then for this week's headliner, we will be breaking down the Matrix.
Per request of.
Hold on what?
I thought we were doing Scott Pilgrim again.
No, because Brucker would just destroy that one again.
Yeah.
Oh, so he would be wrong twice, you say?
But it's going to be a fun, a real fun episode.
So without further ado, let's get into it, gentlemen.
Hey, guys, I'm Crash, host of the podcast Crash and Tez's movie.
On our show, me and my co-host pick a new movie each week and rate each movie on a few
categories that we think are important to making a great movie.
Whenever we rate the movie, it gets a final rating and that lands it somewhere on our
seller scale, where it will get labeled as either a well premium or a top shelf film.
Catch us on platforms like Spotify, Google, Amazon Music and more.
And don't forget to follow us on social media.
On Instagram as Crash and Tez's movie seller, it's Crash the letter N Tez movie seller with
underscores in between each word and on Facebook, Crash and Tez movie seller, where you as a
listener can suggest movies for us to rate and also give us some constructive criticism
to make the show more entertaining.
Overall, don't forget to follow or subscribe and rate and review us and get ready for an
entertaining show with us.
See you guys then.
May I say something?
Go ahead, I'm sorry.
No, I was just going to say it technically wasn't his turn in the rotation, but I just
could not help myself.
I was going to say you planned on that.
Can I just say though, I am really glad that Crash and Tez are back after their short hiatus
because I'm telling you as a guy who has a podcast that he would like to come back the
drag or dragging the table.
I know how hard it is to stop and then try and bring something back because you're just
out of the loop of doing that.
And then it just kind of is like, I'll do it next week.
I'll do it next week.
And it can, it's easy to like let life get in the way of that.
So I'm really glad that they are back and better than ever.
Hell yeah.
And you better have a damn good excuse if you ever go on another hiatus trying to screw
up my podcast listening schedule.
I'll fly over there and slap the shit out of you if you do that again.
I mean, listen, they came in hot with their Black Widow, their Black Widow breakdown.
Like that thing, it was, that thing was like tight.
They were like, we are getting to the point.
By the way, can I just say this, Vic, if you're listening and I know you are, you work very
well under pressure.
Like I had no idea how close your laptop was to dying until you mentioned it.
And then your laptop was like, and that was your final word.
I had no idea you were that close to death.
Geez.
I haven't listened to the Black Widow one yet.
Because I usually work listening to that while I'm working.
But yeah, yeah, it's a great episode.
And again, Vic, you do great under pressure, sir.
All right.
Well, speaking of, I mean, Vic, I guess some things that he likes Spider-Man, No Way Home
got the second trailer released yesterday and oh my gosh, I cannot be more excited.
So here's my question to you two.
Well, actually, let me ask this question first.
Do they plan on putting out another trailer before the movie comes out?
Who knows at this point?
I highly doubt it.
Usually studios nowadays try to stick with just two.
Okay.
So I was going to say, my question was going to be if they put out another trailer, would
you watch it?
Because my answer is absolutely not.
Yeah, same.
I don't know.
One that I it's really hard to spoil a movie for me because you could like walk me through
the plot and everything, but you couldn't like walk me through like the feelings of
the movie.
You say that, but they.
Okay, listen, we're going to see the movie and see the real truth.
But whoever put that trailer together, like they did this thing that I didn't realize
was happening until the very end where I was like, did they just show us the end of the
movie at the end of this trailer or do I just feel that way?
Because it's the end of the trailer because when they are at and by the way, if anyone
is wondering complete spoilers, I don't know why you would think we wouldn't say what's
in the trailer, but if you don't want to know, I'm so sorry.
But when they're at the Statue of Liberty and Dr. Strange is like, I can't hold them
back there.
Everything's converging or whatever he says.
I'm like, this feels like some real end of the movie stuff where like all the things
have happened.
All the auto Octavius's have been made fun of.
All the goblins have been greened and he's like, I can't stop it.
Some kind of TVA divergence dimension thing is happening.
I don't know.
I mean, that's fair.
I actually feel like that's going to be at the beginning.
Well, here's the thing.
Go ahead.
No, this is like my reasoning behind it.
When we see like Dr. Strange performing that spell to make everyone forget who Peter Parker
is, he has like that weird like shape around it.
And so I'm thinking that it's just like keeps transferring them from like different place
to different place.
And so it just keeps like expanding and expanding.
And then it like maybe cracks reality.
And that's what he's like, I can't keep these away.
Like they're coming in.
So do you think it's going to be the either of you guys think it's going to be kind of
like how after Loki finished people synced up that part and look like the end of Loki
to the finale of WandaVision where like, you know, when Wanda goes full scarlet, then that's
when Kang Kang is like, oh, I don't know what's going to happen now.
Have you guys seen that to where like everything like they show that like those two things
happen like right at the exact same time?
Like do you think that all of that is also going to like that timeline is going to be
the same in this movie as well?
Am I saying that correctly?
Yeah.
The seven mark.
Yeah, yeah.
Where the where like everything like unless you played them both at the same time, you
wouldn't know that like, oh, like those two things are clearly happening at the same time.
That one I'm going to I'm going to say a hard no, because what seven minutes seems like
a really long time for them to finally get into the portal stuff.
Well, OK, OK.
I think what I'm asking is, is do you think that that moment happens in that movie like
that that that point in time?
Like do you think that Loki is having his moment with Lady Loki?
I can't remember her name right now.
And then Wanda is having her moment of turning into the Scarlet Witch.
And then whatever is happening with Strange and Peter, like, do you think that that all
those three moments are going to be happening at the same time?
Oh, yeah.
And we'll get to see it.
Absolutely.
OK.
Sorry.
I like playing it side by side.
It like no, no, no.
I have the same.
No, I was.
But yeah, I definitely think that's that's going to be the case.
Sorry.
I tried to work that out of my head and say it and it just it wasn't making sense in my
head.
And I'm like, I got it.
I can't stop talking now.
I already started.
Yeah.
But it seems just it seems like the multiverse breaking seems like too big of an event for
it to be one person's fault.
So I think it's Loki's fault.
Yeah, I think like it's Loki along with Wanda doing her crazy stuff with the Darkhold and
then Doctor Strange also try like jacking up this this spell.
Which he seems super better about.
Yeah, this trailer.
Well because he said well, because at first I was a little confused because I was like
I maybe I've only watched the trailer twice, but the way that he said it when he was like
when Strange said to Peter like right at the beginning, he said when you messed up the
spell to make everyone forget like the way that he said it, I wasn't sure if we were
supposed to just imply that or he was just implying that what we already saw in the other
trailer was what he messed up or if Peter was like on on his own, like trying to do
something.
Because here's my thing.
Is that black and gold suit?
Is that supposed to be our Peter Parker or is that supposed to be somebody else?
Because the way that they frame that character in that trailer makes it makes it's not a
huge logical leap that like he says like things are coming from other dimensions and then
the next thing it shows is that black and gold suit.
So I don't know.
I'm just just talking crazy.
I'm pretty sure that is Holland's suit just because that one has been like really it's
the word when it comes to like advertising like with toys and everything.
It honestly feels like that one is being more marketed than like the actual just regular
iron spider suit.
I mean, don't get it twisted.
I have the 10 inch in my closet back there.
So I love it.
I love it.
Yeah.
By the way, I said the 10 inch.
That means nothing.
You guys don't do Funko focus the 10 inch Funko just in case anyone was wondering.
I don't just have a anyway.
Yeah, but I don't know what what the deal is going to be with those different suits because
it seems like they're going to have a lot of different ones like they're going to have
the far from home and then he's going to have like that inside out version of his suit,
which I have no idea what that's going to be about.
I mean, that's just kind of what people have said.
They say it's just the inside out, but yeah, they're also seeing magic.
That's what I'm saying.
Like that black suit almost made it seem like we were supposed to think like maybe that
was helping him do magic or something.
But that's not the way magic works.
I don't think unless strange like made a specific magical spider suit for him to have.
So I don't know.
I don't.
Here's the problem.
I have no basis for this at all.
Like I don't know anything about the like everything.
Every speculation I have is just wild, just shooting into the dark.
Like I have nothing.
I have no foundation for anything I'm saying.
Yeah, this is a tough one because it's like they're not going off of any story here.
Like there's no comic book story to compare this to.
It could be the the movie that I never saw that everyone mocks me for.
What is it?
Into the Spiderverse.
Still have never seen that movie.
Yeah, that's it.
That's everybody's thing.
I get it.
I'm the worst.
I haven't seen the best Spider-Man movie.
Bye bye bye bye.
You could argue that.
I mean, at least for some people.
Listen, there are there are a few people that like Spider-Man in any way that are like into
I'll say it this way.
I've never heard of anyone like into the Spiderverse was OK.
Why haven't you seen it?
Like just haven't gotten around to it or it's just always whenever I've had a moment, it
just has been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
You know what I mean?
Although I will say your Voodoo account that you graciously gave me access to, I think
has it on there, so I should probably watch it.
I was going to say, DJ, I will mail you a copy.
I'm sorry, fellas.
I'm going to be checking my Voodoo now to make or to see if it's in like the recently
watched.
Well, I'll try and watch it this weekend.
How about that?
Do it.
Wait, have you guys done into the Spiderverse yet?
Yeah, that was actually one of the first episodes Vic was on with the song.
OK, I was going to say how mad would how mad would Vic be if I never saw that movie and
was like, wow, I saw it was great and we did the episode.
He's like, I love Spider-Man so much.
Why are you doing this to me?
Yeah, that was back when we were or he was doing tailgate talks.
Because a prolific podcaster.
By the way, we didn't talk about anything in that trailer really.
Like we got confirmation of basically everything except for Toby and Andrew.
The way I saw them like we also got lots of nods, especially someone who effed up with
editing.
Are you talking about the because I just watched.
OK, are you talking about how Dr. Lizard, whatever his name is, like while they are
charging at Peter, it looks like he's like, huh, what's that?
What's that over there?
Looks like he's getting punched by something.
Can I tell you they just watch?
Yes.
By the way, you can as far as I can tell, you can only find that on like reuploads because
I've I literally just watched the trailer before we started and that is not there.
Yeah.
Dude, I've actually I don't even remember if it was actually in like our like our version
of the trailer.
It was in a foreign trailer.
And so someone that like puts together the foreign trailers effed up and they forgot to
take out that shot with the lizard like.
But is here.
You couldn't see anything hitting him, right?
No, no, no.
No, but you can definitely tell that he is getting hit by something because they say
it looks like the lizard's getting hit by something.
And then because it's Electro Sandman and yeah, if you're looking at it, it's like Electro
is up and to the left.
Sandman is giant behind them.
And then there's Mr. Lizard Man coming off like on the bottom right.
But I will say like the slowed down version that I saw of it made it seem like.
OK, listen, we all know that's probably what it really is.
But I think you could make a solid case for he turns and is like, huh?
Right as Sandman like blasts all the scaffolding towards Spider-Man.
So is he like was he just taken aback like, hey, hey, I didn't know we were going to
be all like that, bro.
I thought you were just going to be the muscle looking scary behind us.
That is OK.
I've seen like the tick tocks of people doing like the green screen behind them of that
the trailer, like not not showing the clip, but they're just like making a joke like,
oh, Kevin Feige is going to be pissed.
I've seen like five tick tocks about that and I'm like, about what?
Like I kept trying to look it up to figure it out.
I did not realize that that was the problem.
Yeah, if I can find one, I'll send it to you.
Dude, that is insane.
Can I tell you, though, at this point, there's no way of telling if that was an accident
or an accident.
You know what I mean?
Like because like you can't I think was it you guys or was it Vic that was talking about
like the way that Marvel does trailers and not being a huge fan of that, like in the
more recent trailers?
I think it was you guys, right?
Because talking about how like in Infinity War, like they showed a scene that we never
got to see or whatever, like I think.
I. I almost.
Are you with them for doing that, doing stuff like that and just really throwing curveballs
only because like there is such like everyone is looking to speculate to the moon on all
of it.
So if they just give you the straight juice from the very beginning and don't throw you
off a little bit, then there's going to be no surprises at all.
And by the way, everyone who is mad that we didn't see Toby and Andrew in this in this
trailer like, hey, guys.
We were all like super bummed that we didn't get to see Spider-Man in the Civil War trailer
until we did.
And then we were like, oh, I can't believe they showed it to us.
That's amazing.
Like, listen, we already got that moment of like we didn't think there was going to be
a Spider-Man ever.
And there's a Spider-Man.
Hello, guys.
So I think we could wait till the movie now.
You know what I mean?
We should be like, all right, I guess we won't see Toby McGuire doing his thing, walking
down the street, you know, pointing at people with finger guns.
Hey, I'm back.
Seriously, all but confirmed their existence or like them being in it because Doc Ock when
he's attacking Tom Holland, because I was trying to explain this to my wife because
she will not watch the trailer.
Her wife is a smart woman, by the way, she's gone.
Very smart.
Yeah, she's just like, OK, explain it to me.
And I'm like, OK, well, Doc Ock grabs Peter and like smashes him and then like looks at
like rips his mask off or his mask kind of just disappears.
And then he's like, oh, you're not Peter.
And so I keep talking about, oh, Peter, Peter, Peter.
And then she's like, wait, which one?
And I'm like, oh, yeah.
We have some bad news for you.
Yeah, so that was like the biggest thing for me, like the biggest takeaway that Doc Ock
didn't recognize Peter.
And they're like, oh, that's you're not him.
Also, you know, bringing that in like the next scene when Peter asks what his name is
and he says, Octavius, and they laugh.
I'm just like, OK, your name's Peter Parker.
I don't know what you got to laugh about.
I take an OO over a PP.
Dude, like that pissed me off a little bit because I'm like, what's so funny about his
name?
I'm well, I'm willing to bet that we're getting fooled with that scene, too, that for sure.
It's like, what's your like, what's your name?
And he says Doc Ock.
And then he's like, no, like, what's your real name?
Yeah.
Well, listen, I mean, I don't know how deep into speculation you want to get, but
somebody was I want to say I saw this today or yesterday.
Somebody was saying that like this seems to be the setup for we I mean, clearly this whole
thing was like this whole trailer was Peter finding out that oops, one way or another,
a Spider-Man is going to kill all these people.
And clearly, at the very least, he has at that point decided he does not want Doc Ock
to die.
And I think that probably all starts in that that scene where we're seeing them.
Oh, what's your name?
Otto Octavius.
Like, that seems like the scene that happens when they're like, we're going to keep you
in this little holding cell until we can figure out what and or who you are.
And then I don't know, like, maybe I'm also biased because of the PS4 Spider-Man Otto
Octavius.
But like, I don't know.
It's also been a long time since I've seen Spider-Man two, but like Otto was like he
was a good dude.
Like, he had good intentions.
So I could see him like, I don't know, being able to be convinced of some doing something
better than he's doing.
I don't know.
I'm spinning out now.
But no, that's a very good point, because there is like a lot of things that people
say as the trailer carries on after that whole scene, like when you see like towards the
end, like a blast of Electro's electricity, you see Doc Ock falling.
So it looks like Doc Ock is fighting the other villains.
He's not with them.
Yeah.
Either that or Electro's dumb as shit.
I mean, I mean, I mean, listen, they cannot do him dirty again.
OK, like he's got to look cool and be cool in this movie.
There is just no ifs, ands or buts about it.
Well, they've nailed him looking cool.
I did not think that they could ever pull off the Electro mask like the classic.
But I love that it's like every time he uses his powers, the mask shows up.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, that's freaking cool.
So they fixed him.
They did not fix the lizard.
So I'm a little peeved about that.
But again, that could be a thing where we're seeing like some some bogus version of it,
because I don't think we saw anything super close up like same thing with whatever they
think is the hobgoblin or whatever they think the other not green goblin is going to be,
because we saw somebody else fly up on a glider that was not the green goblin.
So a lot of people are saying that that is that's still the green goblin.
It's just Norman Osborn unmasked wearing like a pair of Doc Ock's goggles.
Look, man, the thing that I am the most stoked for is that everyone seems to have forgotten
that there was a moment there where everyone thought Ned was going to go sideways.
And I'm not putting it I'm not putting it completely off the table that that's not that's
not Ned's sideways move where everyone goes, hold on.
What have you guys seen?
Jacob Battle owns Instagram.
I'm sure you mean Ned.
Yeah.
No, did you see what he posted?
He posted a picture of himself.
It was on his stories.
So it's probably gone now, but you can probably find it somewhere.
But he posted a picture of him in a makeup chair getting some sort of casting made.
Oh, shit.
Like he had like the cast it like the like, you know, that like weird cast.
I don't know how to explain it.
Yeah, like when people get holding stuff around.
OK, yeah, they had that.
It was around his neck and he just like he hash tag Spider-Man No Way Home.
And I'm like, brah, like something's happened in the net in this episode.
I don't know what, but it's going to be exciting.
I'm afraid if they throw in the hobgoblin, that's going to be Spider-Man three and the
amazing Spider-Man two all over again.
Listen, I don't know what you guys think about all this Marvel stuff that's going on right
now, but I ever since Endgame happened, I have been worried about Marvel now flying
too close to the sun.
Like I feel like it's almost inevitable that they are going to start biting off way more
than they can chew and then way more than they can chew and then way more than they
can chew.
And then all of a sudden we're, you know, I don't know, X-Men three.
I can't believe this is an X-Men movie or whatever that one was called.
I think that's absolutely fair.
I think the biggest gambles are going to be No Way Home and Into the Multiverse.
After that, I think it becomes a little bit more manageable.
The only other like crazy cast that I can think of after Doctor Strange is going to
be Thor, Love and Thunder with the Guardians.
But I don't assume the Guardians are going to be in it that long.
And then after that, it goes down to like three characters with the Marvels.
Well, I'm also saying this and I have gotten way behind on all things Marvel.
I have not seen Shang-Chi yet.
I have not seen the Eternals yet.
Rose, this is not your fault because I should have seen it already.
But I have not seen all the What If episodes yet.
So when you were like, and this is what happens at the end of What If, I was like, ah, now
I can't wait though.
I feel bad.
No, do not.
Listen, if you are listening to a show like this and you get incidentally spoiled on something
that is over, then that's your fault.
And What If was over.
So that's my own fault.
Man, I would still watch it.
No, no.
I'm going to still watch it.
But I have, by the way, this is where I'm at.
I've only seen the first episode.
I haven't seen T'Challa become Star-Lord yet even.
Dude.
Nothing against the first episode.
Like the first episode is great, but it just gets better.
It's funny because I've seen the first episode twice now and I actually liked it even more
on the second watching of it.
Like it was a really good condensed version of what it would have been like.
Like really was.
Like I'm sure the rest of them are like that too.
And I sound like an idiot now that, you know, all the ones have come out.
But for that, I think it was a weird one to start with, but they had to put it somewhere
and might as well get it out of the way, I guess.
I don't know.
Yeah, dude, I like the first episode so much.
I dressed my daughter up as Captain Marvel or Captain Carter.
I never got to see the finished version of that, by the way.
I need that.
I need to see that.
Oh, yeah.
Same here, please.
Oh, so good.
So good.
She is freaking brutal with that shield.
My daughter.
I didn't think you meant your wife.
So OK, quick story time.
We went to like a Halloween party at our church and she went off to play with some kids and
she's like big for her age, but she's still like developmentally her age.
On track.
Yeah.
So she's trying to play with these kids that can like can speak and have a little bit more
control over their bodies.
So she's trying to like interact with them, but she's she's doing things like kind of
like touch, like just touching them, like kind of hugging them a little bit.
And it's getting on their nerves and they're telling her to stop.
And so she doesn't.
Yeah, because how old is she?
She is 20 months.
OK, now do it in numbers.
She's not quite two years.
Good to say you sound like Kevin James and grown ups a little bit when he's just like,
oh, he's a 48 months.
That's four.
Yep.
Like how dare you bring me on this podcast and then be like, hey, here's some math.
Here's a math problem.
If my daughter leaves Chicago at 48 miles an hour on a train and you have a bushel of
apples, how many apples does it take to climb up a tree?
If it makes you feel better, I'm done using as soon as she turns two.
Awesome.
So she's four months away from being two.
So she's two point whatever.
Anyway, so what was I going to say about that?
Yeah, two year olds, they don't know anything.
They're just like, hey, what's up, man?
No means go.
I don't know.
Let's do this.
Yeah.
So she she's trying to play with these older kids and like these older kids are like three
years old.
But she was trying to like get in on their business and they didn't want her around.
So they kept like nudging her.
And then there was one kid that just got frustrated with her and pushed her.
And she she like kind of like shook it off a little bit.
Like she knew she's like, OK, not happy with that.
Like don't do that again.
Went over and like kept trying to do it.
And she got pushed again.
After she got pushed the second time, she came over to me and asked me to give her her
shield.
So I'm like, OK, like here, like because I was holding it for like a majority of the
night.
She used it as a fricking battering ram, held it with both of her hands and charged the
kid and knocked him on his face.
And then and then that's my niece right there and then proceeded to take the kid's sword
and whack him in the head with it.
Did you just stand there like I mean, she's two.
What am I supposed to do?
Like a proud father?
Yeah.
The terrible.
By the way, I imagine in my head in my head, Canon, what happened was that she already
had her shield after the second time and like looked down at it like just look back up at
him.
And I imagined like a strategic monkey bar placement very close by and her just like
jumping down and doing like the superhero dong like right in front of that dude and
knocking him over.
Dude, she's a little gangster.
Like we there was like a toy room like we were setting up for this wedding and there's
this little toy room.
So I took her there and then some other lady brought her kid in and said, oh, can you watch?
And then left.
I'm like, I mean, I guess.
And it was like the same situation.
He's just like he's a little bit more like a little older than her.
So she was playing with this train like this little train toy and he he wanted it.
So he took it from her and she's just like, no, ripped it back and just like I'm like,
OK, like like let her play with it.
You can play with it later.
And then he took it from her again and then like walked off.
She came over to me like kind of upset and I was just like, it's OK.
I guess OK.
Go stand behind him and crouch down like this.
I kept going over to him, yeah, she kept going over to him to try and get it.
He kept like pushing her away.
And I'm like, kid, like I was like three seconds away from drop kicking this kid.
And so I'm with you so far.
Go on.
Yeah.
So he pushed her over.
He pushed her over and I was like, like, OK, this kid's about to freaking get it.
And she got up.
Had the kid and threw him down them like, oh, OK.
And then she went to grab the train.
And I was just like, OK, like, like, I'm cool with that.
And I sat back down and then she took the train and threw it at the kids head and then
was done, like didn't want anything to do with the train after that.
I'm like, he's good.
You want the train so bad.
Yeah.
Like, like, she's going to be the type of person to not mess with ever.
That's the funny thing about kids is like when they fight like that, like especially
when it's kids, you don't know fighting with kids that you do know.
Like sometimes I found, especially when they're young like that, because they're not going
to do actual damage to just kind of sit back and be like, let's see how this plays out.
That's exactly fair enough.
Hold on, hold on.
Like, let's let them let them make mistakes.
Let's see what happens.
But you get like a little insight on the person she's going to be.
She's like, OK, like, I'll give you a couple moments of being mean.
Get it out of your system.
But if you're mean after that, I will ruin you.
I mean, she's not wrong.
So we can learn a lot from your daughter.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, I told my brother that story and he's just like, how does it how does it
feel to know your daughter's tougher than you have ever been?
How does it feel to know that your daughter is like more she's tougher, but also seemingly
wiser than most adults?
Like, because I feel like most adults would immediately just be like, I'm going to take
this train like a whip and I'm going to hit you in the face with it.
And when you're crying, I'm going to punch you in the stomach on the first try.
Like, oh, you tried to take it once.
Whip punch.
Dad, he hurt me.
I saw what happened.
Like, I don't know.
I'm hurt, too.
Yeah.
Anyway, total side note.
What if it's great?
One day I'll watch it.
I'll watch into the Spiderverse.
And now that Shang-Chi is all Disney plus up, I'll watch that.
I'll bootleg.
I mean, pay for the Eternals.
Yeah, it's a good one.
It's a good one.
But getting back into No Way Home.
I don't know about you guys, but I was actually kind of relieved in a way that they didn't
mess with Green Goblin's suit.
Yeah, I was, too.
It looks more menacing.
A little bit.
It looks exactly the same.
I don't know.
Maybe it's because like in this, like we're getting a lot more shots in like daylight
of the costume instead of where in like Raimi's.
I only remember like really one scene where he's out in daylight and it's during the parade.
So if I don't know, because we're just getting a lot more shots where you can actually see
him in daylight, it just looks a lot more menacing to me.
I don't know.
I will say this.
I know that Doc Ock's in Spider-Man 2, like they used they did.
There are some movies and spoiler alert to how I feel about The Matrix.
Like this is the this Spider-Man 2 was something that or a movie that did a good mix of like
special effects and practical stuff.
And just seeing like how Doc Ock's arms looked like when he was Peter was talking to him
and you see Doc Ock like turn and you see his two of those little arms, they turn not
with him right at the same time.
Like he goes to turn and then they kind of are like a split second behind him.
But it didn't look like super cheesy.
I don't know.
Like I say all that to say I hope they take the same approach with the Green Goblin outfit
to where like, yes, they do have the CG there, but like don't rely fully on that.
Like I don't think I don't think going full mocap on the on that stuff is going to work
the same way it does for what we know now of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
I think a lot of practical stuff is still going to look it's going to look better, I
think, and I think it'll probably be more appreciated.
I absolutely agree.
Like don't mess with the good thing.
The only thing that I wish that they would have fixed was Lizard's face.
Yes, again, I'm not convinced.
I'm not convinced of anything like I'm convinced that Tom Holland is in that movie.
I'm convinced that the guy that plays Doc Ock is in that movie and then his two friends
MJ, who cares, she's going to clearly die again.
And then Ned, a bad guy like those one, two, three, four people.
That's it.
And Dr. Strange, everybody else.
I'm not convinced that we are seeing even close to their final forms.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
I mean, look what they by the way, look what they did to Thor when they in the previews.
I mean, we talked you guys were talking about the episode or the episode, the trailer where
they had the fully, fully hulked out Hulk in the Infinity War trailer.
I think it was, but it turned out him.
But what I'm saying is, is look at Thor.
They showed Thor with both his eyeballs in the trailer and turns out, oops, nope, he
lost one of those.
So who knows what we're what we're actually going to be seeing when we actually see this
movie.
And we'll know very soon, though, we'll know very, very, very soon.
Let's Kevin Feige gets as mad as all the memes say, and he pushes the movie back to 2024.
That would ruin my everything.
Yes, seriously, though.
Listen, we're getting to the point in time now to where I'm like, hey, you guys need
to stop pushing these movies back.
Like, I'm getting I mean, I know I'm only 38, but like, I'm going to die soon.
And I need to see this stuff, so if you could like not push it back until after my death,
that'd be great.
I would love to witness these movies.
All right.
Excitement level for this from this trailer about this movie, like where you guys at?
Rose.
Oh, sorry, I didn't know I was the first one going.
I'm sorry.
I'm honestly it's easily a 10 for me.
OK, yeah, I didn't want to be the one to come all 10s tonight.
So yeah, of course, 10 out of 10.
Are you crazy?
This movie is going to be amazing.
I know we like I'm at a 10 to I just we have a formula to follow and.
Yeah, fair enough.
Whenever we whenever we see a trailer, we do a one out of 10 excitement level.
I do find it.
Sorry, I just want to bring one more thing.
I found it interesting when I think it's Dr.
Strange that says it when he said you're like fighting a losing battle, you're going in
fighting ghosts.
All of these guys died fighting Spider-Man.
That is their fate.
Yeah, sorry.
No, you're good.
No, but but when you think about not was that the lizard never died and Sandman lizard lizard
died.
He did.
Someone said they didn't.
Bullshit.
OK, they lied.
I think he did.
I know it's been so long since I've seen the amazing Spider-Man.
Yeah, same here.
I'm not remembering that right.
I thought he died in like the pit when he got like frozen, but now I'm remembering he
didn't.
And then Sandman did.
Did he get arrested?
Didn't he like kind of like float, not float away.
But no, no, no, no.
Peter shot the the the lizard serum antidote into the sky and it cured Dr. Connors and
then Dr. Connors got arrested and put into the jail cell with that weird hooded figure
that we never found out who it was.
I was going to say I just Googled it and the Internet seems to say the lizard didn't die
in the amazing Spider-Man.
So the Internet said it.
So it's true.
Yeah, so not I don't think did Sandman die.
Sandman did not die.
He went off to be with his his daughter.
Like he kind of like dusted off into into the sunset.
Green Goblin, then of course Doc Ock died and Electra died.
But again, here's the thing, though, is we're hearing this.
We're hearing this and we are just assuming that we're we're making a lot of wild, wild,
wild assumptions because we are assuming that just because these things are they look like
the stuff that we recognize from the properties that we already know that that is the multiverse
that they are coming from.
Like that doesn't mean that they are not coming from like how many Loki's were there.
So how many Doc Ock's were there?
So how many lizards were there?
You know, I mean, like how many Tobey Maguire Spider-Man's were there and Andrew Garfield
Spider-Man's were there.
You know what I mean?
Like just because we are seeing these things doesn't mean we're seeing them from the movies
that we already know.
It just means that we are going to possibly.
I mean, we're at least going to recognize some villains, but they might not be from
the exact dimension that we already know them from.
Until you said that, I completely forgot about variants.
Yeah.
And by the way, it's partly like that.
This is why I like I say things like, oh, maybe Marvel will fly too close to the sun,
but then they give themselves a perfect out with the Loki series being like, yep, variants
exist.
So suck it.
If you don't like it, this is a variant.
By the way, who's everyone is very focused on Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield coming
in.
Why?
Why wouldn't there also be another Tom Holland that comes in?
Like maybe that black suit Spider-Man is the other Tom Holland from where he was the whatever.
Listen, I'm just now I'm making wild speculation.
Dude, it's funny you bring that up because I started thinking about this.
Like what if they just bring Tom Holland to play all of those Spider-Man parts but just
throw them in their costumes?
That would be chef's kiss.
Like that would be amazing.
So mad.
How could you be?
You would be mad for a second and then you'd be like, all right, I have to tip my hat to
you.
I actually have to buy another ticket and then not even use it.
I would tip my hat to them, but I would still feel like that is one of the biggest middle
fingers I think I've ever gotten from a studio.
You thought you were going to get Toby and Andrew, you dumb bitches.
Gotcha, bitch.
All right, listen, I know we need to move on, but this is the one last thing I want
to say about that.
Another thing that I feel like people have forgotten about was there not like months
ago all these stories coming out about Toby Maguire like being mad at Sony or whoever
it was because they weren't paying him correctly or they weren't treating him right on set
or something like that.
Like I swear I remember hearing something about either money disputes or like treatment
on set, like he was being a diva on set for some reason.
Like I distinctly remember something along those lines.
Maybe not specifically that, but something in that neighborhood.
Am I crazy or do you guys remember that?
I never heard any of that, but I mean, I honestly, I didn't really pay that much attention to
Spider-Man No Way Home News until the first teaser trailer came out.
Yeah, I mean, I heard that what I remember is that Marvel was talking to Toby.
I think they had like an official thing where they're like, oh yeah, we're in talks.
And I think that was confirmed, but they never like after that, they're just we got nothing.
So I mean, I'm content to just be remembering crazy talk, so that's fine.
I mean, they have so much like evidence against them.
Like there's the behind the scenes leaks that we've had the straight up footage of Andrew
Garfield that he claims is a deep fake, but visual effects artists have broken that scene
down and claim that it's not.
There's way too much detail in this for it to be a fake.
You say that, but then there are like there are those Tom Cruise deep fakes that until
someone tells you the Tom Cruise deep fake.
Those are the artists breaking it down.
And they're like, yeah, there's no way I whatever there's an agenda.
It's all it's all a conspiracy.
One day those guys are going to pull their mask.
The guy that does the Tom Cruise deep fake, we're going to find out that when he was like,
haha, it's really me.
It's actually going to have been Kevin Feige in a double deep fake.
He was just trying to do he was trying to throw everyone off the scent the whole time.
I mean, fair.
The only other thing that they that this movie has going against it in way of it being yes,
we're at least going to see Andrew Garfield is when they announced the trailer was coming
out on Monday.
They're like, OK, the like the the Spider-Man trailer is coming out tomorrow.
This time, blah, blah, blah.
And everything like it's on the Twitter page.
They announced it and said it's coming out tomorrow.
But they posted a picture of Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man.
That's hilarious.
So I'm like, you guys are just being assholes.
Like if it just turns out that they're not in this movie and like all that becomes true,
like that's just a dick move.
Well, this is the crazy thing.
I know.
I know we need to move on.
But this is the crazy thing about Marvel.
They've done so many weird redirects now that they've actually given themselves the room
for people to screw up and then be like, oh, yeah, that was that wasn't supposed to be
their wink.
And everyone's like, hold on.
And like that really could have been nothing.
That really could have just been someone screw up and that doesn't really mean anything.
But like now we will all speculate until the moment that movie comes out.
That's true.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
No joke there.
Good for Marvel.
Hey, you know what, Marvel?
I think you're going to make it.
All right, before we get sidetracked again, moving on over to Disney Plus Day, we they
had that announcement like they just had a bunch of announcements going on throughout
the entire day.
And I thought we could talk about our top three, like what came out of that or just
what what our top three anticipated.
So, Rose, you want to start us off?
I would love to.
So I'm going to go three to one because we all know what my number one is.
It's going to be no shock there.
But number jungle cruise.
Oh, what?
How did you know?
I bought the Best Buy exclusive and the Target exclusive.
I just couldn't wait to watch that movie.
So number three for me is actually She-Hulk.
I'm actually like quite surprised of like how good this actually does look.
Hopefully and I know Caleb really agrees with this.
Hopefully they can fix some problems that we have with Bruce Bay slash the Hulk right
now.
I don't think Hulk as much still have handled me poorly.
Do you know her name off the top of your head?
Oh, shit.
Tatiana something.
That's what I was thinking.
Tatiana Maslany.
Wow, that's a name.
It is.
Like I honestly know nothing about She-Hulk.
But from what I've seen, I think she's very well cast.
I'm happy to see Mark Ruffalo back.
So yeah, that's my number three.
Number two is actually not Marvel.
Like I was kind of shocked by this.
Superman is actually the kind of reboot of the Proud Family.
I freaking loved the Proud Family growing up.
That was one of my favorite cartoons to watch as a kid.
So the fact that they're bringing back new episodes for a whole new generation gets me
super super excited.
And characters are still great.
The jokes are landed.
Obviously the whole freaking instead of when sugar mama or sugar mama gets a buff, Oscar
calls her was a swole mama or something like that.
Freaking die.
That was hilarious.
So I'm really looking forward to that one.
And then no surprise here.
Number one, of course, Hawkeye because my favorite superhero is finally getting his
moment in the spotlight.
And so is his prodigy.
I cannot wait to see Hailey Steinfeld as Kate Bishop.
Everything that they showed for the show was amazing.
That little clip that we got with them like trying to outrun the Russian mob was amazing.
Just them going back and forth, bickering.
Their chemistry is amazing.
It's there.
It's incredible.
I can't wait for that damn show.
Needs to be here already.
So yeah, that's my top three.
Awesome.
I'll be a hundred percent real.
I was not expecting the Proud family because and I don't know why I don't.
It's not that I didn't like the Proud family, which I didn't, but it was for some reason
I thought the Proud family was associated with Bill Cosby in some form.
But no, that's the Cosby kids.
Or Fat Albert.
That's right.
Yeah.
I don't know why.
I don't know.
I feel like racism.
I think it's racism.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
Just kidding.
I'll just shut my mouth.
I'm just kidding.
Great top three, bro.
Great top three.
Thank you.
That's why we love having Don DJ.
You keep us honest.
All right.
What's your top three?
Tell me your top three because I'm looking now and I thought I had my top three, but
I have to look at one more time.
So tell me yours.
So maybe there's no overlap and that'll help me pick this one.
I had a really hard time choosing my top three, but my number I'll do the same.
I'll go three, two, one.
And number three, I'm going to have to give to the rescue Rangers.
Can I tell you, just flipping through here and seeing that, I was like, yeah, I'd love
the rescue Rangers as a kid.
I would totally watch that.
And the way that they have done like Mickey Mouse and all those other like weird, like,
I don't know if they're reboots or what you would call them.
Like I like the newer Mickey Mouse stuff that they've done.
So I would like to see that.
Yeah.
So this is actually going to be a movie.
It's not going to be a show.
Yeah.
So it's a rescue Rangers movie and the voices of Chip and Dale are going to be John Mulaney
and Andy Samberg.
Perfect.
I love it.
That is perfect.
That is exactly why it's it was my top three.
Right underneath it, though, like barely underneath it was the the announcement of the X-Men 97.
Also a great choice.
Yeah.
It barely didn't crack my top three just because it's like I okay, I have an idea of what to
expect from that, but we didn't get anything like solid from it other than like a title.
So I'm like, okay.
So if you look at the I don't know if this is official.
What website is this?
Joblow.com So probably not official.
But like the the picture that they show that's like associated with X-Men 97.
Like I can see Deadpool in there.
I can see like some variations of Wolverine.
I don't know.
I think this is going to be like I would love to see Deadpool in X-Men 97 style.
Oh my gosh.
That would be so incredible.
That would push it up for me if that if that stuff is true.
My number two is even though we didn't really get anything for it is Obi Wan Kenobi.
Yeah that's fair.
Oh no, don't get it twisted.
We got some we got some paintings or something of it.
So it doesn't count.
We also got like a little featurette of Ewan McGregor talking about it a little bit.
Oh yeah.
So Sam.
But OK, I was only excited for Disney Plus Day because the day before they announced
that the Obi Wan trailer was going to come out that day.
And so I'm like, yes.
So I had it like up on my work computer.
I was like refreshing it every single chance that I got to just to make sure updated.
And it never did.
And I was so pissed.
And then they were like, J.K., here's some drawings our kids did.
The only thing that really got me pumped up and actually brought it up to the number two
was that we are going to get another fight between Obi Wan and Darth Vader.
So that's really we're going to get was he was he I guess he had been dubbed Darth at
that point, right?
When they were fighting on Mustafar.
Yeah, technically, I still consider that an Anakin fight.
But yeah.
But yeah, he was technically Darth Vader at that point.
Or he was deemed Darth Vader.
So I'm I'm I'm super excited to see that fight because with how bad ass he was in Rogue One.
And this is another prime time.
Like this is this is going to be Obi Wan and Darth Vader in their prime.
Can I tell you something?
The fact whatever we cannot talk about this because this will be a turn into a whole another
show.
I have opinions about how they treat Darth Vader outside of the movies anyway.
Good.
By the way, I say outside of the movies outside of the main movies anyway.
Go ahead.
Like do you not like how they treat him or no?
I think it's great.
The fact they make Darth Vader like one you're like, oh, OK.
Like now it makes sense why people like really are like scared of this dude, because clearly
like the force is something that people are like, what?
But if you see this guy just just taking an ax to people, yeah, yeah, just cutting people
out like the way he comes in in Rogue One, you're like, OK, this is why people like shudder
at the name Darth Vader, not just because he's a dude who just talks slowly on a ship
somewhere.
Oh, dude, he is.
I have a whole new respect for Darth Vader because of everything I've seen outside of
the movies, like everything in Clone Wars, everything or that we got in Clone Wars, everything
that we got in Rebels like.
What was the other game?
Why can't I think of those games?
There were two there were two games that came out.
They were starring Star almost as Star Lord Star Killer.
It was Darth Vader's his secret apprentice.
What the heck were those games called?
Why can't I think of the name of it?
Oh, you know what I'm talking about?
Yes.
The Force Unleashed and Force Unleashed 2.
That was two other games where you got to see Darth Vader and you were like, oh, OK,
this dude is wild.
Like he just goes and kills Wookiees for no reason because he's trying to just get a Force
sensitive child.
Like this is a crazy person.
Yeah, Darth Vader has been done so much better outside of the main movies that it's like
it's criminal.
Yeah.
So I think the Force Unleashed has like that you've basically said that that's not canon
anymore.
Like there's a lot of things that there.
Well, OK, they say stuff like that, but then they they have been like because spoiler alert
to one.
By the way, thank you for saying the Obi Wan series because that helped me pick the book
of Boba Fett like Boba Fett.
There were a lot of things about him that were, you know, had turned into legacy or
legends or whatever instead of like canon that are now being brought back into canon.
So they're like, even though a lot of this stuff has been ejected, I feel like there
is still room to bring things back in.
And I want to say even in one of the pre or the sequel trilogy movies, there was like
Starkiller base.
Am I wrong about that?
Like I want to say Starkiller base or Starkiller something was was mentioned in one of those
movies.
I'm not recalling that.
Let me give it a goog, mate.
So so base.
Yeah.
So Force Unleashed is considered a legacy now, but I think everything past that or everything
since every like video game wise, it's everything since Force or not Force Awakens Fallen Order
is considered because fall is is supposed to be canon or is not.
I think Fallen Order is right.
Yeah.
So they have that and then just like a couple other games.
Other complete side note since getting the VR, I downloaded this this game that is considered
Darth Vader canon called Vader Immortal.
And they they have this scene where you're like locked in one of these like torture chambers.
And you're just supposed to like stand still and Darth Vader comes in.
And holy shit.
It is terrifying.
Dude, I'm telling you, they I've heard throughout the years of like, oh, they should make a
Star Wars horror movie like there is a good like Halloween like Friday the 13th style
or at least inspired movie to be made about Darth Vader.
Dude, no joke.
So with my head set, it tracks how tall you are.
And I'm six foot two.
I was looking up at Darth Vader when he came into the room.
Oh, you're huge.
Hello, sir.
This is where the rebel base is right over here.
And all the rebels are hiding under the covers over there.
They think you can't hurt them because they're under the covers.
That's weird.
Yeah.
But like you it's so cool because you like escape this this chamber and you're like walking
through and it's frickin trippy because I have like the span of my living room within
like my walking distance.
So I'll walk and then I'll flip the camera around and then walk back.
So I'm just walking back and forth like in my living room.
And so it feels like I'm like actually like walking through stuff.
But there's this hallway where you see you're walking through like a maintenance tunnel.
And so you can see Darth Vader looking down in like a bunker and he's having like this
this private moment and he throws like a huge fit and is just like slicing people down.
It is so scary to be like to feel like you're you're witnessing that.
Cut to Kylo Ren having a tantrum.
Anyway.
I'm super excited for that show and everything that there's that they're going to do with
it.
Apparently we're going to get to see Obi Wan and Anakin in some flashbacks in their Clone
Wars armor.
So that's going to be so that means does that mean we might get to see some Ahsoka in there
hopefully.
Oh I did not even think about that.
I sure hope so because dude there is nothing.
Can I just tell you if you are not someone who has witnessed all of like the Clone Wars
and rebels and all that stuff watching the Mandalorian season two when Ahsoka is talking
to Amando about Grogu and she's saying like I know what it she I can't remember what she
says but she's like I've seen she's basically saying I've seen this go sideways like I see
what the bad version of this is like it's something that is it can be a throwaway line
if you don't know but like when you know that she was Anakin's padawan like it's heartbreaking
because you're like oh I know exactly what she's talking about.
This is a terrible scene that I should be crying at.
Oh those are tears.
Oh my God Ahsoka no.
Clone Wars was so good like I watched it because I wanted to I was like super bored so I was
just like whatever I've never seen Clone Wars before and it has like some nice bright colors
and kind of childish themes that I can like and it feels appropriate enough for me to
watch with my child.
It was like just a couple months old at the time.
You know maybe that's where she picked up hitting people with the going all ham.
She picked it up from the Clone Wars.
Look at what she did Caleb.
I'm kidding I'll take it.
I'll take it.
But yeah like witnessing all of that stuff just enhances everything that the Mandalorian
was or became with the with the other Mandalorians showing up and Ahsoka.
Dude Bo-Katan showing up and you're like like it's great because this is what kills me about
the movies the prequels and the sequels is you see them do those shows like they are
a master class in fitting something into a universe that already exists and then the
fact that the universe that already exists is like I mean I guess I can just scratch
my open butthole and fart into my hand and smell it.
That'll be fine right.
The shows will take care of it is just it's because you don't have to have seen every
that's what's crazy.
You don't have to have watched rebels in the Clone Wars and all that to enjoy the Mandalorian
and see these people show up and be like oh wow this is awesome.
Like really that other stuff just like gives you a lot of cool backstory to what you're
seeing in the Mandalorian.
But the fact that you don't need it is that's what makes it what I would call a master class
in fitting things into an existing universe because that is that's not like I don't think
I could ever stress enough how not easy that's got to be.
Oh my gosh.
That dude absolutely.
One thing I'm hoping like that they haven't talked about at all but I'm hoping that they
address in the Obi-Wan show is how and why he starts going by Ben which they must do
you so you know the story right.
I know I don't know the story.
Maybe I do and forgot it.
Okay I'm so Rose you haven't seen Clone Wars so you don't know why he starts going by Ben
right.
No I did not.
Okay well little Star Wars history lesson for you.
The back when Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan were together they had a mission on Mandalore and Obi-Wan
was in charge of watching over the Duchess or Duchess Satine and kind of had a little
flirtation ship happening and they needed to go undercover for some reason.
I think they were they kind of went on a little side quest while Qui-Gon was gone and he needed
an undercover name and so Satine started calling him Ben.
I remember all of this now and that is wild by the way.
If they don't have Duchess Satine in the Obi-Wan show I am going to riot.
I mean she's either going to straight up be in it or there is going to be some kind of
like homage to that.
Like they can't they've been doing everything so well I can't imagine that they would they
would miss an opportunity to do something cool with that.
Yeah that's what I'm sure just like that's like just so many things like I'm super excited
to get another Anakin and Darth Vader or Darth Vader and Obi-Wan fight but I am so excited
to see how they address him going by Ben.
Like I'm such a sucker for a good love story.
So yeah Obi-Wan was sitting at number two for all those reasons that we discussed and
then number one I'm sitting with She-Hulk.
That looks like it's going to be super cool.
A little interested to see how they incorporate that weird old timey commercial looking scene
between Jennifer and Banner but I mean I'll let it go.
Also a little bummed out that they changed the logo.
But I didn't even notice.
I don't know.
I mean but like this is coming from like I get where you're coming from because like
honestly if it was like say like Hawkeye I would have noticed if they changed the logo.
So yeah I think it's just a little on the blander side but whatever.
It's not about the logo it's about the content.
Exactly.
All right you got your top three.
So I will say that mine are the book of Boba Fett because come on son like I grew up with
Boba Fett.
He's back and better than ever he fought his way out of the Sarlacc pit and now he's doing
some kind of something that nobody believes.
Like oh I'm going to be a gracious leader.
Like okay all right sure you are.
We'll see.
You're still I don't think you realize the throne you're sitting on sir.
But also the other one I'm looking forward to only because of everything other people
have said about this in the comics is secret wars or secret invasion.
I am looking forward to that just because that is another thing that I like sounds very
cool but I have no idea really what is going to become of it.
Like the only thing that I know so far is that for sure Nick Fury is possibly all the
way back to Infinity War was a Kree or a Krull or whatever.
What are they?
Skrull.
That was close.
He might have been a Skrull all the way back to Infinity War or yeah Infinity War.
So I don't know.
I feel like that is going to answer a lot of questions that people have had for a long
time about that.
But my this isn't my top three.
This is my huh?
Is Agatha is getting a Disney Plus show?
Like I don't like listen she was great but I saw it.
I don't need it anymore.
By the way I say that I say that but I also said that about WandaVision.
I was like I don't need this and then it happened and I was like I for sure needed this.
So it's very likely that I'm going to sound real stupid whenever that show comes out and
it's like oh well of course they had an Agatha show because blah blah blah blah but just on
its face I'm like I don't I mean I've got to do a lot of things during the day.
I don't know if I have time for Agatha did it all along or whatever it's called.
They better keep that as her theme song.
Seriously.
Oh I'll be so disappointed that's not the opening song.
At least on the first episode.
Or the last episode.
But that's it.
Those are my three.
By the way I am excited that there is a Rescue Rangers movie coming.
I know.
So good.
So freaking good.
Dude there's so many things that I thought would have cracked my top three but I'm just
like I thought for sure Ms. Marvel was going to be like if you would have asked me before
Disney Plus day what my top three would have been it would have been Ms. Marvel She-Hulk
and Moon Knight.
Yeah again like it's weird because Marvel is good about like letting you forget because
like Moon Knight I kind of don't care about but I feel like when it comes out it's going
to be super awesome.
And Agatha like now that we've talked it out a little bit like I feel like that's another
one that like it seems dumb but when it comes out it's probably going to be cool.
Yeah I think what with Ms. Marvel they dropped the ball for me on that one like that one
dropped so low because they changed the power.
Explain because I was going to say people have been saying like oh I've heard that across
the board they dropped the ball but I never knew anything of this lady before so what
what happened?
Okay so Ms. Marvel is a 16 year old who is a super big fan of superheroes and in the
Marvel universe she's just like fans of everyone she but she's particularly a fan of Captain
Marvel like that's her favorite superhero.
When she obtains these powers she's an inhuman in the comics she's an inhuman and she gets
these powers that let her kind of morph her body and so she becomes what she thinks is
the ideal superhero and like transforms her body to look like Captain Marvel but starts
going by Ms. Marvel when she does her super heroing but learns that when she's looking
like Captain Marvel she doesn't have an ability to heal and so she can be like injured super
easily.
And so she has to kind of learn to accept that she can be a hero looking how she does
and her abilities are like she can stretch so it's kind of like Mr. Fantastic but Mr.
Fantastic doesn't seem to have a limit on how much he can stretch.
Hers it's kind of like a stretch Armstrong like there's a there she can only go so far.
Wait can I sidebar you just make because you when you said this about her powers it made
me immediately wonder about Mr. Fantastic can he also look like other people if he wanted
to like is that in his repertoire?
Because it seems like it should be right?
Isn't it because in fan four stick he does do that.
Talk about fan four stick.
Wait wait wait no no no no no not fan four stick I'm thinking of it was was it Fantastic
four two because doesn't he doesn't he change his face to look like Wolverine for a second?
That was in a deleted scene.
It counts.
Yeah I don't know if comic book wise that is within his ability to do it would make
sense that he could be able to because he can like stretch his body but sorry anyway
but he's able to like if you wanted to make him his body into like a blanket and like
other different stuff like that like he's able to like make different shapes like he's
able to like roll himself into a ball he can't like he's he has that kind of ability it's
a little bit weird.
You're saying where Ms. Marvel she's only able to like stretch out her limbs like so
the way that her work she's able like she can grab onto a tree and use her arm as a
slingshot but that's like the limit like she can't make herself into a like into a ball
like she can't do like crazy shapes like Mr. Fantastic can.
Gotcha.
So what have they what how have they ruined her on the show?
Okay the way that I feel that they've ruined her is with all the promotional stuff like
they have some toys that came out and some and like what we saw in this her abilities
are changed and her growing is more energy based so it's kind of like they changed her
into the green lantern.
So like in the promotional image I saw she has like she's standing there kind of like
with her fist up like in a fighting pose but then the fist in the front has like an energy
fist around it that's super big.
So it's basically like the green lantern punch thing.
So is there just no precedent for this at all or is this just something like how like
she has to fit into something like because one thing that Marvel is really like as someone
who was not did not grow up with the comics and stuff like that so I don't have any of
that foundation to go off of like when they do.
So it's relatively new.
That's true but okay well I have nothing then I was gonna make a point but it's moot since
she's newer.
Yeah I think she was introduced in like 2008.
Oops.
I think.
Oh.
Like don't quote me on the exact but she was introduced within the 2000s.
But yeah she's never had like energy based abilities.
She's 2014 by the way.
2014.
Oh geez I was off.
Made her first appearance in the comics in 2014.
Oh damn.
Wow.
So oops.
Anyway.
Yeah but she's never she's always had a stretchy ability and this is so confusing too because
in Marvel's Avengers they got her powers perfect.
Like absolutely perfect.
You're talking about the game?
Yeah the game.
Like if you play the game at all.
Like that's exactly how her power should be.
Like when she goes to punch someone her fist grows freaking giant.
And it's like it's weird because it's like skin.
And so she can like punch people but yeah in this it seems like it's going to be energy
based.
And I'm like that's a little dumb because and that's like I could have I could accept
that change but a big part of her story in the comics is dealing with how she looks and
not using her abilities to like hide how she truly looks.
So is this do you think that this might be a symptom of Marvel already trying to do something
with the inhumans and failing miserably and them like possibly not even cop into the fact
that she is an inhuman and are just like maybe she's a mutant or something and she got her
power from a cool rock that came from space.
Something like that.
Because are they had they wholesale just decided to not talk about inhumans.
They're just like oh yeah they just live on the moon and we just don't go to the moon
anymore.
I mean I guess that's what I'm guessing that they've done because they've completely ignored
inhumans like they've tried addressing some of those other shows like cloak and dagger
and the runaways.
But yeah they have not discussed inhumans at all.
So maybe that's it.
Because I never I never that was one that I missed all the way.
But yeah everything I've heard is that the inhumans was terrible and I don't know maybe
that's just maybe that's it.
Like maybe they are having to distance themselves for some reason in some specific way and that
was the way they chose to go.
Yeah dude you know it's bad when one of the characters that you have has the ability to
like make her hair move and you buzz her head in the first episode.
Yeah I mean you know.
You've all heard the parable of Samson right.
Got to take all our power away.
So I have no idea how they're going to address Ms. Marvel and how she gets her powers.
I hope that she still has trouble like dealing with her like self image.
Because like I said that's something she like has a bit like that's a big part of her story.
Like she doesn't think that.
She struggles for like multiple issues.
Dealing with the fact that she's supposed to be like a.
Go ahead sorry.
Yeah she's like 16.
Yeah.
And she's like 16.
She's from Pakistan.
Like one of the first like only Muslim superheroes right now.
Or that's not true.
Anyway she's like a Muslim Pakistani superhero 16 year old girl being raised in New Jersey.
And yeah she's supposed to have like these struggles of like self image and her powers
don't help with that.
But because they like help her change her her outer appearance to match what she thinks
the ideal superhero is which is happened so happens to be Captain Marvel.
I wonder how she got to see Captain Marvel.
In this one because I wonder if they're going to I wonder if they're going to have that
that through line for her because I wonder like as far as I can tell like Captain Marvel
might have been talked about but has she had any screen time in that universe.
I don't know.
That is a really good question.
Maybe she became a bigger presence in.
Like after the snap.
Impossible.
But I mean not right away clearly.
Anyway lots of good stuff to look forward to from Disney Plus.
So I think we have an exciting future ahead of us.
If we live.
If we could die or the heat death of the universe one of those can come before we get all this
all this cool stuff.
Yeah.
That was.
Can I at least live long enough to finish the Hawkeye series?
Like that's all I have.
Rose let me look at the holidays.
Let me tell you something.
When I when I was just a young lad and they announced that The Force Awakens was going
to come out I remember I it'll probably come up as a Facebook memory soon where I was like
I said I spoke the words into existence I was like please let me live long enough to
see all of these movies.
And I got to tell you I don't know that I made the right choice.
Fair enough.
I'm not saying Hawkeye I think is going to be really good but you know don't count the
chickens or whatever you know.
I could say that about like making it till Halloween ends comes out next year but then
like David Gordon Green has said for how like he's playing it out right now.
Like Jamie Lee Curtis said like the story might piss some people off.
I'm like ugh.
What are you guys doing?
Yeah.
All right well with that that finally concludes our news segment.
Sorry guys.
Let's say we finally get into this week's headliner.
All righty this week's headliner we will be breaking down the Matrix.
This movie came out in 1999 so it's definitely one of the older movies that we've done.
I wouldn't say oldest I feel like there's some that are maybe a little bit older.
But I just want to point out that I graduated high school in 2001.
So this came out while you were in high school?
Yep it sure did.
I want to say this dude this movie and the the Sixth Sense came out around the same time
and I remember thinking I'm like are all movies gonna be like this?
This is amazing.
They were not.
They were not all like that.
But yeah the Wachowskis have gone on to make some real real heaters.
So is M. Night Shyamalan.
So there you go.
Did you ever feel like you were going to talk to people about the Matrix that were four
years old when it came out?
Nope.
By the way can I just tell you something about the Matrix and me?
I was not only alive in high school when the Matrix came out but I was like right in the
midst of everyone being like bro I know we just got done worrying about AIDS and now
that we don't have to worry about that anymore.
Okay listen here's the new thing.
Y2K is gonna kill us all.
So as soon as the clock strikes midnight and it turns to 2000 all the computers are gonna
explode simultaneously and we're all gonna die because we just forgot that year 2000
was gonna happen.
So when that does all the computers are gonna break and we're all dead.
So the Matrix came out and was like yeah for sure the computers turn on you.
For sure.
Do you remember the Terminator?
Well good news.
Also the Matrix now.
There is no version of life where the computers don't turn on you.
The Matrix really hit home for a lot of people at that time.
Okay I'll be real.
I've heard about Y2K.
And I've heard that people say oh it was the computers turning on you.
Like what did you...
What?
What was gonna happen?
This is legit.
People thought, because by the way this is also when you know people barely knew what
the internet was, like they saw the at symbol and they were like what could that be even?
People thought something along the lines of the computers did not know to go to the year
2000 so they would see double zeros and then they would revert back to 1900 because for
some reason 1900 was programmed in there and then they would...
The computers were somehow stupid enough that they didn't know that the number 2000 came
after 1999 but they were smart enough to know that once they reverted back to 1900 that
they would realize that was a time before they existed and then they would all like
break and turn off or something like that.
And we were all...
We needed to spend a lot of money to make sure that these smart dumb computers were
smart enough to not be dumb and stop working because they didn't exist or something like
that.
Like I know that sounds like that's something I just made up just now but that's not.
It's really not.
That might be like an embellishing of the real truth but that's the truth how I understood
it.
I don't know.
I wasn't in charge of it.
It was only like 16 or something.
Yeah, the 90s are so weird.
Weird is a very generous way of putting that.
The Matrix was the best thing that came out of the 90s.
Well we'll definitely figure that out today.
I think the Fast and the Furious came out in the 90s too.
So one of two things, I mean the Fast and the Furious has stood the test of time more
than the Matrix if you want to get real technical about it.
I'd say like Toy Story and Toy Story 2 are the best things to come out of the 90s.
Yeah, listen.
You might be right.
All right, well before we get started we have a few answers to our question of the week
to read off.
So we posted a question of the week and just asked the basic Matrix question, Red Pill
or Blue Pill?
Yeah, we got a few responses.
First we got a response from N at Breaker6696 who said, Red Pill.
Did they say why or did they just say that?
No, he just said Red Pill.
What a frickin' dork.
No, what do you think you're Neo or something, bro?
Stay in the Matrix, you nerd.
What do you want to do?
You gotta say what you want to do.
Like I took the Red Pill so that I could eat some of that sweet sweet goop that came out
of a valve from the ceiling.
But apparently he'd rather know what's outside the Matrix.
Yeah, okay.
After this is over, after you tell everyone else's answer, I want to know your guys' answer.
But alright, next up we got a response from the Mixed Media Forest podcast at Media Forest
Cast.
What's up, Jason?
Yeah, who said, took the Red Pill years ago.
So much for ignorance is bliss.
See that's an answer.
Yeah, let's see, next up we got Warlock Holmes at earth underscore two underscore Adam, who
said, the official Night Creatures stance is Red Pill always.
Okay, Adam, I know you're better than this.
Red Pill always dot dot dot.
Is that what he put after that?
No.
There was someone that did, wait, did he?
Oh no, no, no, no.
I was reading that wrong.
Jason, Jason posted that one or with the dot dot dot after.
Dude, I need some flavor with these answers.
So far, Jason, Mixed Media Jason is the only one giving me that spice that I crave.
Yeah, but I think it's no surprise to anyone that the Night Creatures took the Red Pill.
Yeah, then I forget what they said after that, because we had a little conversation and Adam
said that he was locked in some, oh, he said he was locked in some underground bunker in
Antarctica.
All right, he gets half credit for a little bit of spice.
Then the last response we got is from Victims and Villains at Victims and Villains.
And they said if I took or it was a question met with a question.
He asked if he took the Red Pill, could he do anything about the truth?
No, dude, that's why you take I'm going to just answer this now, because I had the question
for you guys of would you take the Red Pill or the Blue Pill?
Hey, man, if you're hearing this question right now, or you read it on the Internet,
your answer is the Blue Pill, because the odds of you even knowing whoever the one is,
not alone being the one is slim to none, because who's looking for you?
Nobody.
OK, you take the Blue Pill, live your life and don't listen.
I know I'm cheating because I saw the future because I saw the two other movies that exist
in the Matrix of verse.
But most of you are cannon fodder.
So why not just live your life instead of getting ripped to shreds by machine bullets?
No.
Thank you.
Blue Pill for me.
Thanks.
I mean, you're not 100 percent wrong on that.
Yeah.
I mean, I've thought about this question pretty hard because I always thought like, oh, I
would definitely be like someone that took the Red Pill.
And then you saw a pock and you were like, ah, you didn't have many lines in this movie.
At least Switch got the frickin like, by the way, Switch saying not like this.
That line is said in my home once a week minimum.
Not like this.
A pock just got, huh, and then you're dead.
Oh, me.
I would say I feel like I'm.
If in like if I'm being 100 percent honest with myself.
My curiosity would choose the Red Pill, but then immediately regret that decision for
sure.
It like because it's just like, oh, you go back like nothing ever happened.
I'd be like, well, I don't like fully believe that.
So I mean, I guess we'll go with the part or the pill that gives me the answers to the
unknown.
Well, since I'm on show, I asked the question guy on Twitter, do you if you were being for
the Red or the Blue, would you know the Matrix movie existed?
Like would you have that possible biopic available to make you help you influence your decision?
Or are we living in a world with no The Matrix movies?
Just saying.
Fair enough.
Because if the Matrix exists and someone offers me some pills, no, I'm calling the police.
Is there an agent number I can call because I'll call them?
Yeah, I don't know if I would be that way if I'd be like, no, just because someone offered
me pills because I am fully convinced that the only reason I didn't try or experiment
with drugs in school is because I didn't know how to get them.
By the way, here's the crazy part.
All you had to do was ask probably anybody, probably anybody because if they didn't have
it and most people that you asked wouldn't, they would be like, oh yeah, but Johnny over
in the corner there, that dude, he definitely knows.
Wait, not you, Johnny.
Stephen in the corner knows.
Sorry.
Well, we lived in Utah, so I'm pretty sure if we asked some rando for drugs and they
said no, we would immediately get told on.
Or you would be the, by the way, then, but then that's when you listen, not to go deep
into what you should do if someone tries to tattle on you.
But what you should do is lie because as soon as that person is like, yeah, Caleb and Rose
asked me for drugs.
Be like, what?
You came over to us asking something about do we ski?
I don't even know what that means, sir.
Or like that one office bit and they're saying that marijuana makes you forget.
It's true.
It's like smokeable alcohol.
What about you, Rose, red pill or blue pill?
It's the blue pill.
I don't really go for how soothing is Laurence Fishburn's voice is.
I would, I would be a little hesitant at first to follow that man blindly, but I would still
pick the blue pill.
Dude, Laurence Fishburn, I was watching through this movie today, like every shot of that
guy was like, you could, you know how they say like a good movie is like, you could pause
it anywhere and like frame that, that, uh, that shot in time.
Every shot of Laurence Fishburn was like very cool.
Like everything, every moment that he was on screen, he looked at the coolest he's ever
looked, I think.
Like even when he, even when he was being interrogated, sorry, that Laurence Fishburn
was great.
Absolutely.
Even better than I remember.
So good.
Um, but that was all of our answers to this question of the week.
So thank you everyone that that responded to us.
Except for N, N don't do it.
Go back to the drawing board.
Okay.
Just write anything else.
Just, you know what you should do and you know, you should do, you should put in blue
pill and then find the middle predictive text and just push that until the sentence is over.
Uh, red pill period.
You fricking, I answered the question.
I'm sorry.
We love you.
Don't mock, uh, all bros listeners.
If you want to mock me, you can find me at dragging the table.
Don't do it to the untrained eye.
My wife doesn't deserve it.
Uh, all right.
Getting into this week's breakdown.
Um, if you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final all bros letter grade.
Oh, and untrained eye or are you, are you in here?
I'm a trained eye or dragging the table.
I'm representing the untrained eye dragging the table.
I've started to try the resurrection process.
Uh, and, uh, he's fading.
He's fading again.
So we'll see.
David, come on.
I mean, listen, there is no time.
Okay.
None.
And when I'm doing it solo, I can't do it with people around.
It's just too weird.
It is too weird.
Like I have to be by myself.
Uh, the only way I could do it with people around is when I'm talking to someone like
that's just, I'm telling you, do a, do a, do a solo podcast, but do, do one where it's
not about something and then get back to me on, Oh, just do it.
Are you forgetting about that one episode I did all by myself?
That is why I gave the caveat of not about something like just make it, make it, don't
give yourself a theme.
Like just go in there and be like, I'm just going to see if something I have to say is
interesting.
It is, it is a real exercise in, uh, having your ego crushed away.
Cause you're like, Oh, I have nothing good to say.
And I'm going to put this on the internet and ask people to listen to it.
Yeah, it, it is mildly soul crushing.
And I think it just makes it worse knowing that my wife can hear me if I, if I'm just
talking to myself.
Cause there's been a couple of times where I've had to like re record something that
I've said in a show because it like got cut off or something.
So I'll go in and like just rerecord the little bit.
And even just saying that, like that little line is just the worst.
Rose, I think you need to do a, you need to do a bonus, uh, solo episode Rose about, I
don't know your favorite, uh, third, uh, like, Oh, he's fifth build, but this is the only
character I know in the haunting four still spooking.
Okay.
Deal.
We have, or we'll have a, an official all bros and untrained.
I letter grade.
Hello.
Um, so to kick this off, we're about to spoil the entire movie for you.
So if you have not seen the matrix from 1999, I've had 22 years.
Yeah.
It's kind of your fault at this point, if you have, for sure.
So Rose is going to read us the entire synopsis and then we'll get into our breakdown after
that.
All right.
At an abandoned hotel within a major city, a police squad corners Trinity who overpowers
them with her superhuman abilities.
She flees pursued by the police and a group of suited agents, uh, capable of similar superhuman
feats.
She answers a green public telephone and just, and vanishes just before an agent crashes
a truck into the booth.
A computer programmer, Thomas Anderson known by his hacking, Elias Neo is puzzled by repeating
online encounters with the phrase, the matrix.
Trinity contacts him and tells him a man named Morpheus has the answers he seeks.
A team of agents and police led by agent Smith arrives at Neo's workplace in search of him.
Though Morpheus attempts to guide Neo to safety via phone call, Neo chooses to be captured
rather than brisk escaping via the window ledge of the skyscraper.
The agents then attempt to coerce Neo into helping them locate Morpheus whom they claim
is a terrorist.
Neo insists on his right to a phone call so that he can contact a lawyer, but the agents
cause his mouth to fuse shut and implant a robotic bug inside him.
Neo wakes up from what he believes to be a nightmare and is taken by Trinity to meet
Morpheus shortly afterwards.
Along the way they remove the bug from Neo's stomach proving that the nightmare he experienced
was real.
Morpheus offers Neo a choice between two pills, red to reveal the truth about the matrix and
blue to return to his former life.
Neo swallows the red pill, his reality disintegrates and he awakens nude in a liquid filled pod
among countless other humans attached to an elaborate electrical system.
He is retrieved and brought aboard Morpheus' flying ship, the Nebuchadnezzar.
As Neo recuperates from a lifetime of physical inactivity in the pod, Morpheus explains their
situation.
In the early 21st century a war broke out between humanity and intelligent machines.
After humans blocked the machines access to solar energy, the machines responded by capturing
humans and harvesting their bioelectric power while keeping their minds pacified.
In the matrix a shared simulated reality modeled after the world as it was in 1999.
The machines won the war and the underground city of Zion is the last refuge of free humans.
Morpheus and his crew are a group of rebels who hack into the matrix to unplug enslaved
humans and recruit them.
Their understanding of the matrix simulated nature allows them to bend its physical laws.
Morpheus warns Neo that death within the matrix kills the physical body and the agents are
sentient computer programs that eliminate threats to the system while machines called
sentinels eliminate rebels in the real world.
Neo's prowess during virtual training cements Morpheus' belief that Neo is the one a human
prophesies to free humankind.
The group enters the matrix to visit the oracle, the prophet who predicted that the one would
emerge.
She suggests to Neo that he is not the one and warns that he will have to choose between
Morpheus' life and his own.
Before they can leave the matrix, agents and police ambush the group tipped off by Cypher,
a disgruntled crew member who has betrayed Morpheus in exchange for a comfortable life
in the matrix.
Mouse is killed by the police in the matrix and dies in the real world while Morpheus
is captured fighting Smith to buy time for the rest to escape.
Cypher exits the matrix and murders several crew members as they lie defenseless.
Before he can kill Neo and Trinity, Tank, a crew member who was only knocked unconscious,
awakens and kills Cypher before pulling Neo and Trinity from the matrix.
The agents interrogate Morpheus in an attempt to learn his access codes to the mainframe
computer in Zion.
Tank proposes killing Morpheus to prevent this but Neo resolves to return to the matrix
to rescue him as the oracle prophesies.
Trinity insists she accompany him.
While rescuing Morpheus, Neo gains confidence in his abilities, performing feats comparable
to the agents.
Morpheus and Trinity exit the matrix but Smith and Trinity can leave.
The group of Sentinels attack the Nebuchadnezzar.
Trinity confesses her love for Neo and reveals that the oracle told her she would fall in
love with the one.
He awakens with newfound abilities to perceive and control the matrix.
He defeats Smith and other agents and leaves the matrix just as the ship's electromagnetic
pulse disables the Sentinels.
Back in the matrix, Neo makes a telephone call promising the machines that he will show
their prisoners a world where anything is possible.
He hangs up the call and flies away.
By the way, what I love about that rendition that Wikipedia just gave to us was that out
of nowhere they're like, oh yeah, Encypher, a character we have not mentioned until now,
betrays them and then kills the other crew members.
Seriously though?
Hey, remember that character we never mentioned in the synopsis?
He killed a lot of people.
He was very disgruntled.
I had not seen this movie since I was in high school.
So it's been a really long time.
What were your guys's first experiences seeing this movie?
Do you remember them?
I think I was, God, I was in elementary when I first saw this because I want to say my
mom, me, my mom, my sister actually went and saw the third one in theaters.
So the matrix was actually like a big deal in my household growing up.
Like we freaking loved these movies.
So yeah, yeah, about elementary is when I first saw it.
What was your response to the end of that movie?
Or not to the end, but to like once you finally like realize what the matrix was because well,
yeah, like after the movie was over, did you like look around or were you just like, I'm
in elementary school and I just watched a rated R movie, so I'm not going to make any comments
about it.
Probably the second one.
I probably say the second one.
What about you, Caleb?
Yeah, so my like I said, my first time watching this was in high school and it absolutely
broke me.
First off, I was not allowed to watch rated R movies.
So I was, so I was attending like a early college high school and I would, I would watch
movies while I was doing homework because they had like little TVs that you could sit
at and watch movies out of their movie library.
And so I would, I would like roll through and I'm like, I've never seen the matrix
before.
And I watched it and I like completely did not do any of my assignments and just like
sat there.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
And then after I was done, anytime I heard a phone call, I would like shoot over a look
and just like, just watch the person answer it to see if they disappeared or something
like weird happened.
Like I, so when this movie came out, I remember seeing like no, like this movie came out in
a time when like trailers were kind of important, but not really like you didn't have to see
a cool trailer to go see a movie.
You were just like, it's time.
It's the weekend.
We go to the movies now.
So we went and saw the matrix and I remember I can see as vividly as if it happened yesterday,
walking out of the movie theater and like just looking up and around everything.
And I was like, I wouldn't even know.
I wouldn't even know.
I think it's just mind.
I was like, this is crazy.
Like we live, I just saw documentary of the metrics that we live in.
I had never, I just remember having never seen anything even close to like that before
and was just like so blown away by it that I was like, this is great.
And by the way, when they announced that there were sequels, it didn't even dawn on me at
the end of that, that there could be a sequel to those, that movie.
Like I was, I couldn't believe it.
I was like, that's the only thing more unbelievable than this movie is that they could make more
of them.
Like you said, this could have easily been a documentary.
It was so trippy and like just the way that I viewed the world, like that's actually when
I started to question everything that I believed in and started getting really heavily into
like alternate ways of living.
And I'm like, is this a simulation?
It's a good jumping off point to be like, Oh, maybe everything that I think, uh, maybe
I should figure out why I think everything I think and not just think it.
Cause someone told me I should.
Yeah.
And that's kind of how I adopted my, my, uh, my thoughts on reality.
Now it's just like, I can't prove that it's not the matrix.
So I mean, if we want to talk about that possibility, like I'm so down for that.
Well, that's what's crazy about that movie is that's like one of those movies that like
once it got into the world, like it's in there now, like is a touchstone as much as any other
you know, may the force be with you.
Like any of it, like the matrix has you is to me like just as, uh, and I would, I would
guess 99% of people would be like, you also like the matrix.
Of course you do.
It's 2021.
We've all seen the movie.
I mean, there, by the way, there's a reason why, when I was like, Oh, I'll just, no one
collects funco sodas.
Uh, as soon as the Neo one comes out, I'll buy that.
Nope.
I was there the moment that it dropped and I pushed add to cart and it was like, nah,
you will not add it to cart cause it's gone.
Yeah.
Worst.
So yeah, no, that I.
By the way, what's crazy too is like, I almost, I almost wish we were doing all three movies
at once.
Uh, cause like it's there's so like the Wachowskis are so weird.
Like they are so, I would love to talk to them, uh, just because like, what was it?
Like w because like since they have since transitioned, uh, both of them, uh, to women
Lana and I can't remember the other one's name, but like Lily and Lana, uh, I was listening
to something else.
Cause like I said, just to get ready for this podcast, I was listening to other podcasts.
I was watching, uh, I didn't just watch the movie.
Like I was also consuming other stuff that I had been, have consumed over the years.
Uh, but like the way that they were talking about it, because people were asking them
like if this was supposed to be a trans allegory and the, the paraphrase of what the answer
was was like, um, I think they said something along the lines of, uh, that's why art is
beautiful.
Like you can, you basically, you can, you can watch something and get something else
out of it further down the line that may or may not have been its original intent.
Uh, but that can still be something that you draw from it.
Basically not saying yes or no.
They were just saying that like, if that's what people are getting out of this, then
that's not necessarily a bad thing because that's something that they went through.
So I don't know.
It's a, it's just a, such a good movie.
I'll never not love this movie.
Yeah.
I almost want to add a category for like it's societal impact.
Uh, large.
I would give that a small to large and that one gets a large.
It's insane.
Like how many different interpretations of this movie there are.
Like I've seen ones where people are comparing it to Christianity.
I mean, what's crazy about it is watching through it again today.
There are so many like, uh, tropes in this movie tropes that existed before this movie
ever was conceived that had the potential of being cheesy.
Like you just look at the interrogation whenever they go to do their rescue for, uh, go to
rescue Morpheus.
Like they swooped down on a helicopter and they shoot up a room with a mini gun.
Like when I say that you're like, that's, that doesn't work.
Like that's crazy.
Like why would you shoot into the room with a mini gun, a non accurate gun where a man
is you're trying to save.
But the way that they show it, like they show it in slow motion.
Like they, they have those crazy cool angles of like, you get to see way down almost street
level of like all the shells falling down and slow motion.
Uh, you get to see Morpheus run over and it's just, it's again in a different, in a movie
that came before that, that's just the cheesy, like Arnold Schwarzenegger scene where he
just pulls a mini gun off of a tripod and it's somehow able to hold it up.
Like, uh, and everyone's like, Oh Arnie, but like the, in this movie, we're like, Oh, it
is art.
This mini gun is art.
Oh, I, I can't even begin to explain like just how well like talking about our score.
So we're at an 89 with it.
Well, I'm glad I skewed the polls.
I'm more interested in why I had to skew the polls.
I'm wondering, I can't wait to find out what you guys scored the lowest on.
Like I will get that.
Yeah.
Like whenever we get there is fine, but like whenever we get to whatever you two scored
the lowest, that is what I'm interested in, in talking to you about.
Well, this is actually it.
Really?
Yeah.
So go on, sir.
So I wasn't quite as low as Rose was.
Rose was sitting at an 80 and I was up at an 87 for story.
What comes first story or writing story?
Go on.
Yeah.
So that was my, my lowest was story.
Um, Rose, yours was story and writing.
Yes.
Please.
I must know like, what was it?
What was it about the story and the writing?
Cause by the way, those two, I feel like go very hand in hand.
So that makes sense.
But yeah, what about that made you rate it so low?
I say solo.
That's not that low.
If we're being honest, like that's not low at all.
That's low compared to my 100.
I think, so like, I know like Caleb first experienced this movie in high school and
as did you.
And so like, I think like comparing this from like when I was a kid to watching it now,
like I remember I used to like think like the store was incredible as a kid.
Like, you know, I forget it was one of my favorite action films, but for some reason
being older, the story doesn't like do it for me as much as I thought it would still.
Um, I mean, it's still a great story.
I never get confused on when how they're explaining how the matrix works.
Everything that happens to these characters throughout the whole story makes absolute
sense.
It's just, it doesn't, it didn't grit me as much as I feel it did when I was a kid.
One thing that I noticed on this rewatch that I'd never really either paid attention to
or notice before is like everything seems like that.
That's why I don't feel like it's absurd for me to give writing a 100 because like it seemed
like everything was accounted for and everything was like placed in a certain way for a certain
reason.
Like for whatever reason you see, you can't figure it out at first.
Like all of a sudden it goes from I'm blanking on the scene now, but it's the scene right
before you see cipher with the agent, uh, cutting up some steak, talking about how,
you know, they're going to insert him back into the matrix and you know, he gives this
whole spiel about, you know, ignorance is bliss and da da da.
And then like you see him with his mouthful, uh, you know, of steak talking to this agent
and this agent saying, you know, whatever it is that he says.
And the very next scene is paired up against, uh, the rest of the crew at the table eating
their eggs, not, uh, talking about how, you know, these, this is what's essential for
a growing body and da da da.
And like, I don't know, like the way, like they did that a lot in that movie.
Like it seemed like one scene was supposed to make sense to the next scene and you might
not actually know why until that next scene happened.
And I don't know, I, I, I noticed it more again.
I was watching it.
The only, the only thing I regret about doing this episode with you guys today is that I
didn't have like time to actually sit and watch and write things down.
Like I was literally at work today with my phone up on my rear view mirror, uh, so that
I wouldn't be looking too far away from the road.
Uh, just having it playing in the background, but I didn't have time.
I just didn't have time to watch it.
And I, I, that is my only regret is that I didn't have time to write more stuff down
like that.
I would have liked to have written down all those comparisons that I noticed at the time,
but that was like the, the starkest one that I recognized of like, Oh, it goes from this
dude eating a nice steak that isn't real to these people having these, uh, this, this
egg snot concoction of stuff that is real and is what they need.
Like they're having like an actual genuine conversation about what it's like in the
matrix because they're like, Oh, is, is, uh, is tasty oats or tasty wheat?
Like does it taste like that because that's what the machine thinks it tastes like, or
is that what it actually tastes like?
I don't know.
It was just, uh, I disagree with you respectfully Rose.
No, fair enough.
Understandable.
Yeah.
I think what brought this story grade down for me was just everything at the beginning.
Like once he got into the real world and everything, it was, it was pretty streamlined and like
really well done, but it was everything kind of before and more like not showing us all
of this stuff.
Cause it just kind of jumps right into Neo being a hacker and it like never really like
explains that doesn't really show us that what he's hacking.
Like the first scene is him sleeping at his computer and then it's like, wake up Neo.
It is not, that is not the first scene.
So well, this is, this is thank you for reminding me of two good pairing scenes is because you
see this, this whole, by the way, that first scene with Trinity, I timed it.
It's only seven minutes long, but that is, it starts with her.
Uh, you, you, the movie opens, you hear her talking to somebody.
Uh, they hang this line is trace.
They hang up the phone.
The next thing you know, the cops are going up to get her.
That whole scene happens where then the agents show up and they chase her and she gets away.
Uh, and then like, by the way, seeing that scene, I remember seeing that scene and being
like, they're like, she got away.
I'm like, she got away.
Like you hit her with a truck.
She is disintegrated somewhere.
Like it didn't, even then it didn't dawn on me what was happening.
So I'm like, I don't understand.
But again, again, watching it with like all of this knowledge and like actually trying
to see, you know, really trying to like dissect the movie more, like you see this thing happen.
And then the first thing that you see is a Neo's computer screen and you see a bunch
of stuff about, uh, this Morpheus guy who, uh, did like a bombing at the Heathrow airport
and, uh, a lot of stuff about Morpheus and, uh, for, I mean, it's clearly just there to
drive the story forward, but like, cause why would that just be running in the background?
Like, there's stories coming up about Morpheus.
Um, but that goes right into like, when you look at that scene again, after you've seen
the whole movie, I feel like, you know, you can see you're like, I imagine like cipher
watching that screen of just like falling characters that he's like, you know, you see
all this, but what I see is the matrix.
I see blondes, brunettes and redheads.
Uh, you know what I mean?
Like I imagine them looking at that screen and Morpheus on the other side on the phone,
like he can see everything that's happening.
He's like, all right, type this on the type, this on the computer.
Uh, the girl and the white rabbit is about to show up.
I don't know.
I'm looking, I've, I've had 22 years to, to love this movie, so I'm going to apologize.
By the way, this is going to lead into my apologies for the next two movies.
Because I will apologize for those movies for the rest of my life.
And I know the uphill battle that I'm, I'm, uh, working with on those two.
Yeah.
Um, like obviously with, with my score, I didn't drop it down too much.
Just like, it was just the opening stuff.
Like that was my biggest issue.
Like I'll be real.
I didn't catch the, the, like whatever the news articles or whatever with Morpheus on
it.
And it's probably because I was watching it on a TV in my room and I have really shitty
eyesight.
But same.
Yeah.
So yeah, same.
That's probably why I didn't catch that, but it was just not fully understanding Neo and
his motivations.
Like, well, cause he had been, I mean, I guess he was like, I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, well, but then literally when he goes to that, that, uh, uh, club, like he knew
who Trinity was.
He was shocked to see that she was a, a female and not a male.
Uh, cause that's what most males think or most men think, whatever she said.
Um, but then she, he immediately knew like, she's like, you, you know, you're searching
for an answer to the question and you know, you know what the question is.
What is the matrix?
Like he, I don't know.
It was, it was all quick.
That's what got me.
Like how did he know what the matrix was?
And that, you know, that's all explained in the matrix for coming soon to HBO max.
No, I don't know.
Uh, but here's the thing.
By the way, how dare you, the video game, depending on which one you're talking about
was amazing.
Um, I actually don't even, I only play like one on the, on the PC.
I played PS2 when I was a kid and I don't remember which one it was.
Well cause one thing that I was thinking about too, uh, just on, uh, in, in between my like
10 minute stints of watching this movie during the day is like, why would they even let news
of Morpheus or anything be let out?
You know what I mean?
Like why wouldn't they just suppress all of that from the beginning?
But like, uh, it makes sense because of course they're trying to draw those people out Trinity
and Morpheus and all of them so that they, you know, they can take them out and find
Zion and, and, uh, get the rest of the people that have disconnected from the, from the
matrix back into it or kill them or whatever it is that they planned on doing.
And I think again, like there is a lot that I won't say a lot, but at least in that case,
that is definitely something where you might have to make a wild assumption of like, well,
since we know that, uh, Morpheus and like clearly this, this computer program is allowing
them to know that Morpheus and Trinity and all of them exist.
So theoretically you might think that some of Morpheus is in Trinity's ramblings have
made it out there onto the message boards as well.
So maybe that is where the matrix came from.
But again, that is just something that I have to assume.
Like clearly they don't, they don't make that clear at all.
They're just like, listen, there's a lot of assumptions going on because I feel like there's
not a lot of wasted space in this movie.
Like they're like, there is no downtime.
They're just like, we are going, we're going, we're going, we're going, we're in the matrix,
we're out of the matrix now.
All right, we're going, we're going, we're saving, we're going, we're going, we're jumping
into agents.
Now we're going, we're going like it is a very fast two, two and a quarter hours.
So I don't know.
Yeah, it is very, very quickly paced, but kind of in a way that works in the movie's
favor.
Yeah, I, I, I think that's probably my issue with the story.
It's just, they, they shot us straight into what this is like so like fast.
It was almost like whiplash like, oh, okay.
And then like, it took a second to be like, to figure out all the shit at the beginning
and then get into like, okay, now I, now I'm caught up.
Well, I wonder too, cause I don't know this or maybe I did know it and I forgot.
Like if the, like, you know, this, that was not the time when like, uh, you know, properties
that went on forever were a thing.
So I imagine if they had not already been greenlit for a sequel, like, uh, they're like,
all right, well, this isn't going to be a TV show.
So we need to jam pack everything into this two and a half hours and hope that, uh, we
get everything in there that we want.
Cause who knows?
Like, you know, we've all seen deleted scenes of stuff that we're like, why didn't that
make it into the movie?
That would have explained everything.
And I'm sure there's stuff on the cutting room floor of the matrix that, you know, is,
oh, if they had just left in this one 30 seconds, it would have, everything else would have
made sense.
We couldn't at the time.
Yeah, like it's easily justifiable.
Like why they made the choices they did with the story.
I'm just objectively speaking.
Also when you look in, if you're looking at it through this 2021 lens, it is wild because
like that is not the way things are done now.
Like there is, there is, uh, sometimes excruciating explanations.
Uh, there is, we're all going to make sure.
Here's what's crazy that I heard too.
And one of the, one of the many, uh, YouTube videos I watched, he spends the first 46 minutes
asking questions.
Almost every line that he has in that first 46 minutes is a question.
Like that's what's crazy too is like, so it's not like, I don't think we clearly don't get
all the answers, but like, uh, you know, they at some point realized like people are going
to have a lot of questions and we're going to need to make him ask a lot of those questions.
Yeah.
I mean we can get into writing with that.
Um, just real quick, just reminding everyone.
So story was sitting at an 89, um, writing is at an 89.6.
You're welcome.
So just a little bit higher, um, than the story, but I really like, I mean, I personally
didn't notice that.
Like I try not to, to look too much into the like different things about the movies because
I don't want like my opinions to get skewed in any way, but I do kind of appreciate an
exposition dump, especially when it's like the character is just as clueless as we are.
And so, yeah, I think, um, Neo asking all of those questions kind of really, really
helped.
Uh, yeah.
And it's an idea of what to expect.
I don't know if you guys had a problem with this, but like since that movie came out a
lot, one of the main things that people had a problem with were the fact that he was a
computer programmer, but for some reason did not know what AI was or I'm sorry, he like
questioned like when, when Morpheus was like AI, he's like, you mean artificial intelligence?
And then later on when they were like EMP and he was like, huh?
And they're like electromagnetic pulse.
Uh, there was a lot of like, well, I don't understand why he, he's a, he's a hacker.
How would he not know that my personal Canon on why he didn't know that is that why would
the matrix let you know about those things?
Like why would they, why would they even want you to think about AI if they're controlling
the narrative anyway, why would they want you to even think about what EMP was or what
an AI was?
They're like, don't, don't trip.
You're just, you're just chilling.
Come on, bro.
Like just be here where we have pay phones everywhere and it's 1999.
Uh, don't think too much about it.
I wasn't sure where to put stuff like that.
Like with how the only thing that ages this movie is the technology that they use.
Can I tell you though, when that fool pulled that cell phone out of that FedEx package
and it went shock and opened right up, I was immediately to my dial up internet.
Like where do you get this cell phone?
Uh, PS you could only get it in Australia.
Really?
Yep.
That was an Australian Nokia exclusive.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I was very sad to learn that.
Dude, honestly, I feel like that was the equivalent of like the, um, uh, the Motorola razor.
Uh, yeah.
Cause that was, isn't it funny that like for a long time, like when cell phones first happened,
like the way to get you to buy them was if they did something wild, like, Oh, they got
to flip out or they got to turn around.
Cause there was a, and now they're just like, yeah, dude, it can take a picture of the moon.
Uh, you can like take a picture of dust on the moon.
That's what your phone does.
It looks like a brick.
It takes a picture of the moon.
Good night.
Give us a thousand dollars.
I don't know if this was just in Utah, but I remember a time where my dad had this.
Yellow walkie talkie phone.
Yeah, that was the next L and you would go ahead.
That is like the coolest thing ever.
I, if there was anything that I wish transferred along with cell phones, it's that.
Can I tell you something about those?
One thing that you're not taking into account, uh, cause we did have those when I was in
my twenties, uh, at work and at play.
And I gotta tell you, there's no, like, I'll put that up to my head.
Like those are speaker only.
So if you have it to where you, if you don't, if you're too dumb to have it to where you,
cause there was two different modes.
There was like, you could have it to where someone could just talk to you.
Like it was an open walkie talkie, or you would have to have it to where you had to
push the button so that they could talk.
Most people were too stupid for that.
So our friends would be in seven 11 or somewhere and we would just start saying wild things
into the next L and they would be like, ah, shut up, stop and have to either run out or
just try and like push the button.
Like, yeah, it was, it was a good idea, but, uh, it was also good for pranking.
I always thought that was the coolest thing.
Like me and my brothers, that's what we would do.
So my mom and my dad both had one.
And so we would just like steal their phones and like play army man or something like that.
So much fricking fun.
Why is my phone dead?
I thought that was the coolest thing ever, but, uh, I wish they would throw that kind
of stuff in movies.
That is wildly specific.
Like that movie would almost have to be based on next L technology.
What were we talking?
Oh yeah, sorry.
No, I almost went into effects.
We're talking about the writing.
Um, again, my only issues were, was the opening stuff.
Like when, what was Neil handing that guy?
So that's another thing.
That's great.
Okay.
First of all, I just want to say, uh, I don't know what any of these things mean, but like,
you know how there's like the 303 error that you can get on your computer?
Yes.
I'm going to look, I'm going to pretend you guys vivaciously.
That's even a word said, yes.
Uh, it was room 303, uh, which is like, that was the room she was, by the way, it was,
that was the room that she was in.
And I didn't even realize it until this movie or until this rewatch of this movie, it starts
in room 303 at that hotel and it ends in room 303 at that hotel.
Like that is the same, same hotel, same room, same hallway, all of it.
Um, but that's what's crazy about that.
Uh, that guy being like, here's your two grand.
Where's my computer program?
Like what does that guy do that he needs a $2,000 computer program from a hacker?
Uh, and why is it on a mini disc?
And uh, it's, I don't know.
I don't know.
It was a way, by the way, you know what it was?
I think it was a way, cause you know, that book that he put it in, it was called something.
It was, there were three books that the main, I think the main actors before they could
even read the script were supposed to read so they could like understand the concept
of what they were trying to do with this movie.
And that book was one of them.
And I want to say it was called, uh, dang it.
I can't remember.
Uh, wait, I wonder if I type book from the matrix, what it'll tell me.
Book from the matrix.
Cause it's called, it's giving me the matrix novelization.
Oh, simul simulacra and simulation.
That was the book that he, that he put the money and all those computer programs were
in, but that was a move or a book that he supposedly had to read.
And it was a, it's a philosophical goal.
It's a Phil, it's a philosophy book.
Um, I don't know.
Like that's the thing you find as this series goes on is that like, this is all supposed
to be like, uh, philosophical allegories, like just stacked on top of each other.
So I'm sure that like someone smarter than me has gone through and like has read all
of these books and, you know, as a philosophy major and it's like, well, actually the reason
that he opened that book from the side and gave it to the guy is because, uh, the human
psyche knows that whenever blah, blah, blah, something smart.
So that was a long way of saying, I have no idea.
I just wanted to sound smart and make sure this podcast goes to midnight.
Um, seriously, other than that, I thought the writing was pretty on point for the rest
of the movie.
Um, one of my favorite things that I did not catch with my first watch, but caught with
this one is when Nia went to talk to the Oracle and the Oracle was saying, basically telling
him that he wasn't the one in not those exact words.
And she's just like, okay, maybe in, maybe in another life or something.
And then later when he gets bushwhacked by the agent and dies and then basically like
resurrects himself or something.
No, she, by the way, people say that the first time that something crazy happened outside
of the matrix was in the matrix too.
Whenever he like puts up his hands and like stops the squiddies from coming or whatever.
But people forget that Trinity kissed him back to life in this movie.
Like she's like, no, I love you.
You are the one kissed him.
And he was like, and breath has been breathed back into my lungs.
I'm going to stand up and be the one now.
Yeah.
Like, and so it was just like that, that one line that you can almost throw away, but it's
just like the significance of that where she's just like maybe in the next one.
And so when he like came back from the dead and then became what they expected the one
to be, like I thought that was like super well done, super well written too.
There is a lot going on with the Oracle.
Like it is a Travis travesty and a tragedy that that lady died before she got to finish
out this, the trilogy.
But one thing that I didn't realize too, because I'm not real good at like catching stuff like
that is somebody pointed out that they were like, yeah.
And after she said all of this to him, she gave him a cookie like a computer would do
or computer would get from a website.
Like here's your cookie.
Don't forget what I said.
Bye.
And that, I mean, I think it's supposed to be funny, but also it's supposed to be like,
yeah, like you, like sometimes there are like one for ones, like sometimes website gives
you a website will give you a cookie.
I'm the Oracle and giving you a cookie by the way.
Okay.
Here I am.
So glad I remembered this.
So here is something that I never picked up on.
And somebody told me or somebody told me somebody told me via podcast today that watch that
movie again.
And if you didn't notice it before, think of Morpheus as what he actually is, which
is a cult leader.
Like Morpheus is a full fledged cult leader.
He is really legitimately crazy.
If you really look at him through that lens of like just a guy who's like, no, no, no,
no, I'm on my way to just free all the people until I find the one because a computer, by
the way, he is a cult leader who is an acolyte of a computer program.
Okay.
Like that is, that is really what he is.
And like when you, I don't know, watching it, watching that movie today and thinking
about him in that way, I was like, this is a weird, a way weirder movie now.
When you look at it, like, like he's not necessarily altruistic.
He is just like, uh, just this weird guy that's like, all right, I've been set on this path.
And she even tells him, she's like, it doesn't matter if you're the one or not, he is going
to sacrifice his life and you are going to have to make, make the choice whether it's
his life that is lost or yours.
So there that's something the internet told me that makes me sound smart.
That was a really odd perspective to look at that movie with.
But I'm telling you, watch that movie again, but think of him as being a cult leader.
And I promise you, you will be like, oh wow, this is super weird.
Cause by the way, he has this ragtag group of people that he has convinced that we are
going to go out there and just hack into the matrix and we're going to find the one.
And that's what we're going to do.
And by the way, you find that out in the next couple of movies that like everyone thinks
he's crazy.
Like nobody is on board with him.
They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You found the one we guessed.
Uh, but whatever, bro.
Like he hasn't, he, he was supposed to, he was supposed to bring balance to the force
and we're still fighting.
What's up with that?
So yeah, I don't know.
I just thought that was an interesting, uh, look at Morpheus.
Yeah.
Um, Rose, you actually gave this the lowest out of all three of us.
So you want to explain yourself on that one?
I mean, I don't even know.
Like it's kind of like the same thing with like the actual story.
Like, I mean, like overall, like the writing is super, super small, solid.
And it's especially for, um, God, what's the, what, what's the guy that turns against all
the others?
Cypher.
I thought that, um, cause I think actually as a kid, he was one of my favorites and actually
he still is.
Um, I thought his like whole betrayal was going to be stupid, but actually it did work
for me.
Um, so the writing in that, like that whole scenario is actually really good.
Um, so like, I mean, hell, like I really don't know if I can really justify giving an 80.
Um, honestly just had, it's just because of how I feel about, uh, the story, just like,
like it was, it's not, it wasn't as good as I remember it from when I was a kid.
And it's nothing wrong with the story.
Like I said, like the, the story's good, the writing's good.
Everything that they say makes absolute sense.
They explain the matrix super, super well.
Um, but just didn't do it for me.
I feel as much as it did for you guys.
Listen, you should not apologize.
I have now hearing you say that I'm like, you know what I need to do?
I need to go and find the movies that came out when I was four, uh, and find out what
the most popular one was.
And I need to dissect that movie and see if I, a, even know what it is.
Uh, and B, uh, if I thought something of it at the time and what I possibly could think
of it now, uh, because it's.
I couldn't, I mean, I'll never know what it's like to know what the matrix is and just be
like, I guess I'll just never see it.
Cause when I was a kid, I knew there were rated R movies that I was just never going
to see.
You know what I mean?
Like I was like, well, it's rated R and I'm, you know, eight.
So I just, that movie doesn't exist to me.
Goodbye.
Whereas I got to see the matrix the second it came out.
So I, yeah, I don't know.
What this movie was rated R, right?
Yes.
Do we know why?
I would imagine because guns, lots of guns, like they shot everybody in this movie.
Okay.
Honestly, if it wasn't violence.
Yeah.
When I saw the, uh, like actually like looking at the year, I'm like, okay, did this come
out before or after Columbine?
And then it came out before.
So I'm like, okay.
So they were still able to keep that whole scene in with like the whole trench coat and
opening it and all those guns being on him.
Cause I feel if this would have came out after Columbine, they would have been like, yeah,
you guys got to cut that.
I think this did come out after come.
I pretty sure this came out after Columbine cause I think Columbine was 98 if I'm correct.
No Columbine was April 20th, 99 and this came out in March of 99.
Yeah.
March, March 31st of 99.
I think your internet is wrong.
No, Rose is a subject matter expert on Columbine for some ungodly reason.
That's weird.
It's super weird.
It's very weird.
Dude, I feel like the amount of times that you're able to tie in Columbine to stuff that
we talk about is insane.
The matrix, by the way, can I tell you the matrix made it in by a hair because the matrix
came out in March of 99 and Columbine was in April of 99.
So yeah.
At least that's what the internet tells me Columbine high school massacre for 2099.
I'm kind of shocked that like after Columbine happened, they didn't make them pull the movie
and edit out that scene.
I mean, they might.
I mean, it had been out for over a month at that time.
Like everyone who was going to see it saw it and come on son, are you going to tell
me that the lobby scene, the scene that inspired the video game black is not going to get or
it's going to get edited out?
No, no, sir.
No flippy gun shooting is getting edited out in this lifetime.
All right.
Well, writing, like I said, sitting at an eighty nine point six.
Moving on over to acting, we are sitting at a ninety one point six.
I think like overall, Rose was the harshest on this movie.
Like I said, I didn't enjoy it as much as you guys did.
I'm sorry.
It would be weird if every listen, everyone can't like everything all the way equal.
This will be no fun if both of you were in my position to where you were like, this is
my all time favorite movie.
We all gave it one hundred to the board.
We love it and we're just going to what kind of show would this be if we all just loved
it?
So the song is there.
Thank you.
The original Halloween.
I was like, you know, to like give them their score.
Oh, man. Yeah, so let's go through the cast, at least like the big ones, at least the ones
that I I scored.
There's only four, right?
Yeah, pretty much.
So first of all, we got Neo, who was played by Keanu Reeves, Morpheus, who is played by
Lawrence Fishburne, Trinity, who is played by Carrie Anne Moss and then Agent Smith,
who's played by Hugo Weaving.
By the way, Hugo Weaving, what can't that guy do?
Like were you looking like?
I mean, did you?
I got it.
I was I was like I said, I almost just said I was rewatching the movie today.
Duh.
I was watching that scene in the subway right after, you know, right when he was going to
finally have his his showdown with Agent Smith.
And dude, like a lot of that stuff was not a stunt double.
Like you could see his face and he was doing a lot like Keanu Reeves gets a lot of props
for what he does in that movie and John Wick and stuff like that.
But like Hugo Weaving freaking killed it in that movie.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
And in a suit, P.S.
Yeah, he did a good job, like a really, really good job.
Like I've always been impressed with stuff Hugo Weaving has been able to do.
And I'll be real, I'm not the biggest Keanu Reeves fan.
Like I think his acting comes off as a little dry sometimes.
This was easily some of his best acting, dude.
So my the one thing that I was noticing to it that I really, really noticed this time
watching it was and I mean, again, this will all come together in the next two movies.
But like Neo and Agent Smith kind of like they they both start in these spots where
Neo is like immediately spiraling out like he's just he's already in a spiral.
He doesn't he already doesn't know what's going on with his life.
And then now this Matrix stuff is happening and he just is bucking against it immediately.
He doesn't like it.
He wants, you know, get me out of here.
And he's puking all over the place.
And you see Agent Smith, who is like laser focused, he knows what needs to get done.
We need to get up there and get this girl and you know.
And but by the end, like you see Neo become more and more focused to the point to where
he does get shot and killed and then come back to life.
And you see Agent Smith spiral out so hard to the point to where like he is acting crazy.
Like he takes his glasses off.
He takes his connection to the Matrix out of his ear so that he can tell Morpheus that
he hates him and the human race.
What?
Like you're a computer program, my dude.
Like what do you mean you hate them?
Like you are you have gone so far off the rails that like this is not clearly was not
your intent.
So I don't know.
I thought that was like subtly portrayed very well by those two, especially.
So I don't know.
I like that a lot.
Yeah.
Gosh, I think everyone just freaking killed it.
But I mean, I'm I'm giving like three thumbs up to frickin Carrie and Moss.
I love her.
Like there's not a biggest crush on her when I was a kid.
Oh my gosh, right?
Well, because she's like she is super capable and nobody is like questioning her about it.
Like the only time she gets kind of questioned about it is right at the end when he goes
to try and save Morpheus.
And she's like, I'm going with you and he's like, no, you're not.
And she was like, oh, I'm sorry.
What was that?
He means more to me than he does to you, stupid.
So what do you think about that?
I'm going to go and you're going to like it because I'm your ranking officer.
You frickin moron.
And he was like, all right, you're right.
I don't know what I'm thinking.
Guns, lots of guns.
Let's go.
Yeah, my.
Yeah, my crush for her, my wife and I have discovered that I have a thing for women that
intimidate me.
And yeah, my crush for her, it attracts.
So do you also have a crush on that lady from Monsters Inc. that's like Wachowski?
No.
She seems very intimidating.
OK, is so attractive.
No, like to tell you to give you like some insight into how my my brain works.
One of my earliest crushes that I remember is from.
I'm in San Diego.
No avatar.
The last airbender.
And do you want to take it like just a wild shot at who it was?
Cora.
Wait, no, was it the was it the was it the sister, the Fire Nation sister, or was that
in Cora too?
No, yeah.
Azula.
Yeah, yeah.
I had a major thing for Azula until she went batshit crazy and I didn't.
That's your drawing point.
Yeah, and then I didn't grow a crush on Katara until she did the or until the blood bending
episode.
And when she went just frickin hog wild with that, then I was like, oh, how you doing?
Trying to bend some blood.
Yeah, once she started getting like scary, then I'm like, oh, how are you doing?
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
And then Game of Thrones, biggest crush on Cersei.
And I know like everyone hated her.
Who played Cersei?
Carrie Anne Moss.
It's very strange what she did.
That is an excellent question.
Oh, my gosh.
Why does that sound so familiar?
Lana Headey.
Oh, Lana.
OK, yeah.
You know, Game of Thrones, I feel bad.
That's one that I never watched when it was on.
And now that it's over, I have zero interest in that show.
Same here.
Yeah, I'm sorry to say, Caleb.
No, I like Game of Thrones.
Like I liked it when it was on.
Like, I think it was like interesting enough.
It got to the point where it was like I lost interest in wanting to watch it week to week.
But I did just because I'm like, all right, this is the final season, like how bad could
it be?
And the answer is, yeah, it's really bad.
But it was the final season of Dexter.
I had the biggest crush on Cersei throughout.
Like, Lana Headey, she's like the nicest person in real life, like in interviews and everyone's
like, oh, she's so sweet.
She does nothing for me.
But Cersei, who will frickin like rip your guts out just because like all about it.
I feel like you also have like a big secret crush on Cardi B.
No, not even that is a lie.
That is the way I just saw.
I just saw a little kid lie just happened just now.
Like, no, no, I hate Cardi B. God, why would you say that?
She didn't hear you, did she?
She is so annoying.
Like she I'm trying to like compare to someone.
But yeah, she's annoying.
Cersei.
Yeah, I can't even think of a proper comparison with her.
Like the way that Cardi B talks, like irritates me to my core.
You love Cardi B.
And this is DJ's last episode.
Anyway, I'll make my own show called The Most Bros, The Most Brothers.
So out of the like those four who was I mean, that's it.
Let's go top three.
Who do you want to stop?
Oh, Jesus.
Why would you do that to me?
You guys need time.
I'll go.
I mean, I think I got it.
Unless you want to go kill.
No, feel free.
No, you know what?
Number three, Agent Smith, number two, Trinity, and then number one, Morpheus.
Morpheus.
Sorry, I meant Morpheus.
I'm sorry.
How dare you?
Jared Leto is not in this movie at all.
Morpheus.
Yes.
Sorry.
Sorry, Neo.
He got bumped to four.
I actually might agree with you.
Yeah, like I was I was flip flopping with with Morpheus and Trinity as number one.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think I liked Morpheus just like a tad better.
I would have to say honestly, this is going to sound weird, I think.
But I would put Carrie Anne Moss, number three.
I would put Lawrence Fishburne, number two.
And I would put solely for his interrogation speech, I would put Agent Smith at number
one, because like when he finally goes full tilt crazy, like when that starts from the
from the moment that he's in that interrogation room until they are like, he doesn't know,
like that is a crazy performance that Hugo Weaving does, and I very much enjoy it.
I would watch that scene.
If someone said you had to watch that scene from that movie once a week, I would do that.
Fair enough.
Yeah, dude, Hugo Weaving is an amazing actor.
Like there's so, so much that he does like performance wise.
It's insane.
And it's not even all with like his face.
It's his body motions to when he's squeezing Morbius's head.
I'm kidding, Rose Morpheus's head when he's doing that, when he's like just telling him
how disgusting that he thinks he is and he doesn't want to be affected by the human race.
And he just he looks disgusted.
Like he you can see that he's like squeezing his skull.
Like it is so good.
Dude, it's great.
Like Hugo Weaving is like a master performer.
Like, and if you guys need any like help believing that V for Vendetta, like the emotions that
he's able to portray from behind a mask is insane.
So it's really good that we're not breaking down V for Vendetta because I would give that
two farts down.
Like I was way not a fan.
That movie bored me to death.
Like I had to fight.
I don't even think I finished it and I had to fight through what I saw.
Like I wasn't so not.
I think I don't know that I'm not saying it was a bad movie.
I'm saying that I don't think I knew what that movie was.
And when I watched it, I was like, this is not I don't want this.
I don't want any of this.
Yeah, I mean, overall, it's not like the best, but I think Hugo Weaving's performance saves
for me.
By the way, I'm not I'm for sure not saying it's a bad movie.
I was I'm only I only said that because I was genuinely shocked when I was watching
that movie that I was like, what is this?
Also I kind of don't like Natalie Portman, so that doesn't help at all.
I'm not her biggest fan either.
So I don't know.
Not if yeah.
So the fact that she was the only face I got to see, I was like, all right.
Yeah, completely understandable.
But so if you go weaving, though, he's the greatest.
He is like a master performer.
I still can't believe he played the voice of Megatron in the first two Transformers
movies.
Are you shitting me?
Hmm.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Weaving.
Yep.
I was Hugo Weaving.
Hugo Weaving is the best.
Let's go to his IMDB.
I want to double make double check, but I'm pretty sure that was Hugo Weaving.
What do you imagine his top four?
If you have the IMDB app, it'll show you like before you like click on see all for an actor's
filmography, it'll show you their top four like known for movies.
Like what do you think his top four known for movies are?
You're definitely going to get three of them.
Oh, damn, I only had three off the belt.
All right.
I would say Red Skull.
No, no, no, no, his top four or the top four movies he's known for.
Okay, so Captain America, the first Avenger, The Matrix, Viva Vendetta and.
Oh, shit.
I can see it in my head like.
Am I thinking Hugo?
Rose, do you have a top four?
Do you think you think are his top four?
Maybe just like change it up from Cale a little bit.
I don't even know if he was in all three, but the three Lord of the Rings films and.
Let's go with The Matrix as well.
OK, it was Caleb, you got V for Vendetta, but of course it was all three Lord of the
Rings movies.
Oh, that was so funny.
I love that you picked the first Avenger like no compared Hugo weaving is bigger than the
MCU.
Nobody cares that he was in those movies at all at IMDb anyway.
Oh, that is amazing.
I don't think I've ever finished the Lord of the Rings like listen one of the movies.
No one could blame you like they're great movies, but they're so long.
They're so long and they're so listen.
This is going to be very divisive to anyone who listens to it, but they're kind of boring.
Like there's a lot more boring parts than there are fun parts.
You're like, hey, I can only hear so many jokes about second breakfast before I'm like,
all right, throw the ring in the lava already.
We get it.
You guys like to eat and your feet are gigantic.
Please leave.
Yeah.
Yeah, Transformers Darker the Moon Megatron.
And the third one to Revenge of the Fallen Megatron.
A little indie video game called the Lord of the Rings conquest and the original Transformers.
There you go.
The girl who swallowed bees.
He was in that movie as the narrator.
Sorry.
That just was a crazy thing to read.
Yeah, because in the fourth one, that's when Frank Welker came back to voice Megatron again.
And he was like, whatever, I'm busy not being Red Skull by.
Anyway, getting back into acting.
I think, like I said, this was one of Keanu Reeves best performances for me.
And honestly, I didn't see John Wick.
I have seen John Wick and I think he's he's done better.
I've never even seen John Wick films.
Listen, if me not seeing Into the Spider-Verse is crazy, you not seeing at least the first
John Wick movie is at least adjacently as crazy like that movie, that movie like The
Matrix is basically like the lobby scene is a prequel to John Wick.
OK, I like it.
Dude, I feel like in my heart of hearts, the only reason that I docked for acting at all
was because of that one moment where they were showing Neo something and and he's just
like, whoa, how dare you?
He just saw a man jump from one building to another building.
And his reaction was actually understated and a little subdued.
He said, whoa, because he just saw a human man jump from one skyscraper to another.
Bill, how dare you?
I don't know.
He's Ted.
OK, yeah, that one reaction turned him from like super cool Neo into Ted for like a microsecond
and I was just like, no.
Also on the on the subject of Keanu Reeves acting, have you ever seen the comic book
film Constantine?
No, but it is on my list of things to watch.
Buddy, you are in for a treat.
Anyway, we're talking about The Matrix and your wrongness about this.
The one of the by the way, that is a that is a quotable scene.
If I just if you do something and I go, whoa, you know that I am like slack jawed Neo seeing
a man jump from one skyscraper to another.
You are absolutely fooling yourself.
You are slack jawed Ted looking at anything.
Wow, I love it.
That's going to be my new band name Slack Jod Ted.
Our opening song, fellas, it's called Jumping Skyscrapers.
Let's go.
Moving on over to character development.
We are sitting at a ninety point three collectively.
I would.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Even though I would say Laurence Fishburne's character had, I don't know, zero to one out
of 100 character development.
Mine.
I mean, I think I already said how I felt about the care.
Like the only two really that matter is Neo and Agent Smith.
Like they had a an alarming amount of development by the end.
So yeah, like what you were saying, they kind of like they swapped.
Yeah.
And and I got it was great.
Just like the way that they swapped their perspectives where Neo went to became the
one that knew it, like what he was doing with like absolute confidence.
And Smith was just like, like you said, going nuts.
Well, you can and you can see in that hallway fight when he stands up and they both are
running at each other, like before he jumps into his body, like when they're actually
fighting, like you can see like that again.
This goes to Hugo Weaving's acting like you can see that he is like confused, scared,
like he does not know what's happening right now.
He cannot fathom what is happening because nothing like this has even come close to being
a thing and he's already unhinged and now he is losing a fight.
What like it's just it shouldn't be.
So yeah, I don't know.
I think that was that all led to an amazing end with those two.
Have you guys seen that like that one meme from like with that scene where they're saying
like when you've gone through like the boss fights, like gone through all the boss fights,
but it's the last one that keeps whooping your ass.
And it's like while you're going through all the other ones and it just shows Neo doing
like the weird one handed fight and behind his back fighting.
Yeah, like that's that's that's what I was thinking during that whole scene.
But it is still like super cool to watch just how like badass he gets.
Because you see like that is to me, it's the craziest to see the agent like get frantic.
Like he is like clearly he knows he's in danger and he is fighting for his life, which he's
never had to do before.
And I really appreciated the way that they did the build up into kind of different key
points for Neo, where it became learning what the matrix is and then learning what he had
to do mentally to be able to control the matrix and then getting to that point where he finally
could.
Like, I love how that like just those little checkpoints in his story are just so distinct
and clear.
Well they're distinct and clear and they're not just distinct and clear to us watching
this happen.
They're distinct and clear to him.
Because if you remember to like right when they put the bomb in that elevator, like what
does he say right before he shoots the final cable out when he grabs Trinity?
There is no spoon.
Boom.
And the elevator goes down and it explodes everything out and it's freaking crazy.
And I mean, he learned that from a little kid that he met right before he met the Oracle
who told him he was not the one.
So I don't know.
It was great.
Yeah, like, ah, it was so good.
Like it just like the way that they performed all that and like in especially with his chat
with the Oracle, like having all these people tell you that you're the one, you're the one,
you're the one, and then having like the person whose opinion they trust the most tell you
that you're not like that.
Like I could see how devastating that would be.
And then just like would throw kind of throw to the that role.
Like OK, I got to do something like even though I'm not the one.
How about poor APOC?
That poor bastard.
He is like, hope the Oracle gave you some good news.
No, she did not.
She did not.
As far as you'll ever know, APOC, I am not the one.
I'm going to be one of the last faces you see before you die.
While I am not the one.
Oh, by the way, I know that we already passed it by, but can I just say one more thing too
about acting?
Acting like that's one thing it didn't dawn on me until this watching of it too, that
like when Cypher is having the conversation with Trinity on the phone and like we see
them in the room and with Trinity on the phone and people are dying there and he's back on
the ship and he's going from person to person and he's talking to them and he's right in
their face or whatever.
I'm like, oh yeah, like this isn't happening at the same time.
Like he is actually having to do this like to these.
I think it was what you were saying before about that guy, Joey Pants, the plate Cypher.
Like he's an amazing actor.
And I think that that scene was like one of his like shining moments where he, you know,
right before he got taken out of having to have this conversation with, you know, we
know how acting works.
He was having that conversation with nobody.
So I don't know.
And it looked very convincing.
So I don't know, I don't know why that shot back in my head.
But yeah, that was a great or I guess I was thinking of a POC dying.
That's why.
So I love that they didn't like try and tease that betrayal super hard or like try to drag
it out.
Like I'm glad that they were like went to him being shady and then immediately went
into him having like a super shady deal.
Yes.
Like none of this.
Like we're going to try and redeem him.
But no, Cypher has a job and he needs to he is Judas and there is no time when Judas is
like, I don't know.
He's like, nope, I love silver.
Give it to me.
Uh, that's Jesus right there.
Get him.
Jesus has all the codes.
One thing that kind of confused me about that, how is he able to have that secret meeting
without anyone knowing?
So that everyone that I'm sure that I'm going to like again, if I had not just watched this
movie today and had thought more about it and was able to get my Google fingers on and
try and figure it out why I'm sure there's some kind of explanation for it that is in
the matrix of verse.
But yeah, that's the two questions I have is how did he do that without anyone knowing?
And also what was he looking at whenever Neo came up and scared the bejesus out of them?
Because remember he was sitting there at like just looking at the screens and Neo's like
sup and he's like, oh my God.
And he does change like one of the screens.
But then that's when he gives them like the gives him the the the booze or whatever.
But like because he's clearly startled.
But is he scared that he sees something and then realizes, oh, Neo can't he can't see
this code for what it is.
So he doesn't know what I'm looking at.
Like those are two questions I have about stuff Cypher was doing.
Yeah.
I mean, unless we have anything else to say about character development, I want like we
can get into talking about the effects because there's like this that one effect that I really
want to talk about.
I'm sure it's the one right after he says there is no spoon.
I assume.
So you guys have anything else to say about the character development?
I don't think so.
All right.
So like I said, we were sitting at a ninety point three for that.
Getting on to effects.
We are sitting at a ninety two point three.
God I've talked so much.
Someone else should talk.
So for this coming out in 1999, this holds up so well.
Dude, that's what I was talking about earlier with Spider-Man 2.
Like this movie understood the balance between special effects and practical because the
stuff that it did practical would have looked so terrible if it was not practical.
And I am mainly talking about everything that happened when he got taken out of the Matrix.
Like whenever all the like hoses were busting off of them and that thing grabs them and
all that, like all of that.
Like I feel like now that would have been something that was super CG out.
Because it would have to be super detailed or whatever, because we need to see each individual
hose pop, whatever.
Nah, like stuff like that was like I was so happy to see it again.
It still gross me out the second time.
Like for sure.
Don't get me wrong.
But like like seeing all of those things, just like those chords like break off of the
things that they're connected to on his back and then pulling that one out of his mouth.
I'm like, oh, the one out of his mouth was a it's crazy every time I see it because I'm
like, God dang, how do they fake this?
Like did they have to jam something down his throat?
Because that is crazy looking.
That's why Keanu Reeves has a raspy voice that's seen.
I knew it.
So there were two things I heard about this movie that I don't know were true.
One and I only one I don't think is true because of the other.
The one that I don't think is true because of the other is they said that they filmed
him being removed from the matrix, like out of his little pod that got filmed like months
after the movie.
The main movie was done because they wanted him to be a little more gaunt and basically
lose some of the definition that he had so that it would show that like there was supposed
to be like a bigger difference between like the digital projection of his mental self
or whatever and his actual body.
I don't know that that necessarily is true because I feel like they just put him in baggy
clothes and when he was in the real world, quote unquote.
And the other thing that couldn't possibly be true because they were like, if you notice
in the movie, Neo doesn't do any kicks and that's because he had gotten into some kind
of accident and wasn't able to do a lot of kicks in the movie.
That dude kicked a lot.
Like he kicked almost exclusively at some points.
I was like, this is not true at all because I'm like, I'm watching the movie thinking
like I'm going to see something like, oh, he's not going to do any kicks.
Like he only, he kicked in every fight in every single fight he kicked, including the
last one with Smith.
When he kicks him and leaves his leg up in the air for a second and then goes, be you.
So yeah, no, he kicked a lot.
Yeah.
Um, when it comes to like the order of operations on how they shot this movie, I'm willing to
bet they did all of the scenes where he has hair first and then they just kept shaving
his hair down more and more until they did that.
The pod scene where they just like completely shaved his head.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, it looked awesome.
Like I don't, at the end of the day, I don't really care if they did that or not.
Like if they waited a month or what they did, like it didn't dawn on me how it's like, why
I was, how stupid it was that I even thought of it or cared about it until I was watching
the movie again.
I'm like, this has no bearing on my enjoyment of this.
Like I wasn't thinking, Oh, he looks different.
So this is somehow not as cool.
No, I don't care.
The few scenes where I think maybe the effects went down was maybe the bullet time scenes.
Yeah, the, the like sound waves coming off of them was definitely has aged not badly,
but weirdly.
Cause I mean that, but that's the problem when you're like the pioneer of something
like there is nothing to base it off of.
So you're like, Oh sound.
Cause I mean, there was no, there was no such, there was no such thing as bullet time until
that movie.
So they, they laid down a foundation and everyone else built upon that.
So I'm, I agree, but I'm willing to forgive because of it's, you know, uh, the word that
I'm looking for.
Oh yeah.
And with effects too, by the way, I think this is the, this is the only place that will
fit is I noticed it without noticing it.
And this is again, stupid and something probably everyone knows.
Uh, but the, the, they had a green filter on what was happening in the matrix that gave
people like, uh, well, a just was supposed to look more like, you know, an old school
computer, but it gave people's like, it gave people like a more sickly look to their skin.
Uh, and in contrast in the real world, there was like more of a blue tent that they used
that made people's like pop more.
So even though they were in like a terrible looking place, like they actually looked,
the people actually looked better.
And one thing I had always kind of subconsciously noticed that, but the one thing I never really
noticed was that, um, the neutral part, like whenever they would go to like the dojo or
uh, whenever he was going to see the woman in the red dress or any of that stuff, or
the guns, lots of guns, that was, that all had a yellow tent because that was supposed
to like signify that it was like a neutral space.
So I just thought that was interesting as far as effects go, like subtle effects that
like don't necessarily make a difference to your enjoyment of the movie, but are like
interesting things to know, I guess, after the fact.
Yeah, that's, that's like super interesting though.
I think that just shows how, how much the Wachowskis like really were masters of their
craft.
I mean, people talk wild smack about other stuff they've done, including the sequel movies,
but like they are, I don't think they get enough credit for what they did with this
matrix movie.
And honestly, like, I think we all know that, I dunno, like I disagree with anyone that
says the writing goes down, uh, as the movies go on, but, uh, I, I'm definitely not giving
them a hundred in the future, but, uh, they're not, I dunno, I think they are, they're clearly
not underrated cause they're mainstream, but they are, I just don't think they get their,
their whatever word I'm looking for.
I think it's too late for me to remember any words anymore.
Yeah.
Proper love.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, like we said for a movie that came out in 1999, it stands the test of time.
Very watchable still.
Yeah.
The only thing that truly ages this movie is the technology that they use.
Other than that, it is rock solid.
And even then, like the cell phones that they use are not like, they're not super prominent.
So and that like, we're not so far removed from that, that even if you, even if you never
saw a cell phone that looked like that, like, I don't think that you have to, I don't think
there are many kids that could watch this movie that would be like, what?
Like, Hey man, you see there's numbers on it.
You see, they put it up to their head and talk.
Like you've used a phone before just because it's touchscreen doesn't mean you forgot how
phones work.
I am really excited to see how they handle basically, basically everything regarding the
matrix in the fourth one, because they are in a good, how are they going to handle like
landlines?
They're in a perfect, listen, we, we're like, you gotta listen to what they said in the
movie.
The guy, the guy Morpheus says, like when they first, when he first starts to tell him
about what happened, he's like, you don't, you don't have to just think about where you
are, but when you are like, you think it's 1999, it's more like 2199.
Basically what they, what he says without saying it is that like the people that are
in connected into the matrix are kind of in a perpetual state of 99.
Like that's just like, they don't say, well, I guess they do say that.
Like they just kind of stay in that perpetual state of it's 1999.
Like they, to me, I think the implication is that like any kind of history that the
humans had is just like, like that history was there.
So like they can know about the history that came before it, but it's not, I mean, clearly
that stuff didn't actually happen in the matrix.
Like there was no, you're not going to go digging in the matrix and find Genghis Khan's
bones because you're in the matrix.
You're not in the real world.
So I think, I think it's going to be weird, but I think it's going to be that perpetual
state of 99.
And they might just not even focus on technology like that, like at all, like you might not
even see a cell phone.
You might not see a hard like, cause by the way, you, there's even though hard lines or
pay phones aren't like super like they're not around like they were clearly they're
not not around.
Like they do exist somewhat.
There's that one in Roswell, right?
So I don't know.
I think, I think it's, I think if you're going by like how you guys judge horror, like does
it follow its own logic, like I think that movie can, can be beholden to its own logic
and say like, yeah, we are in this perpetual state of these people don't know what AI or
EMPs are.
So why would they know how to make a cell phone that's touch screen?
Okay.
I mean, yeah, that's a fair point.
Cause wait, this is a prison.
Like they say that from the very beginning.
This is a prison.
So like this is these, all of these people are in prison and don't know it.
So why would they, if you, if you don't let people know that this technology exists, they're
not going to miss it.
It's true.
Yeah.
Okay.
So maybe I'm less excited to see what they're doing for now.
I take it back.
I have no idea.
I think too much about this.
I'm too dumb to think about this movie that's smarter than me, but I think about it a lot.
All right.
Anything else effects wise that you guys want to talk about?
I just want to point out is how good that scene where Trinity runs across the wall still
looks good.
Dude.
Holy shit.
That still impresses me.
That didn't look CG to me.
Like all of that looked like wire work.
It was.
Well, yeah.
And I don't know for me, at least 90s wire work.
That still looks good to me.
Yeah.
And I honestly like stuff like that kind of pulls me out of the movie in some cases.
No, but like in this instance, the way that they say that they're able to do things that
are almost like superhuman, like kind of justifies all of that crazy stuff for me.
That's fair.
So I'm like, oh, that's just something they can do because they're in the matrix.
Well and that's it.
Like that's that is what is crazy about that movie is like they can kind of explain away
as long as you don't do what Neo did at the end, which is fly away.
Like they can pretty much explain away everything else wild that you could do.
Like you know what I mean?
Because again, I hate to keep referencing movies we're not talking about, but once you
get into the second and third movie, like it is a wide like the matrix is a truly wild
place like there's stuff going on in there that like we still never even got to see in
the movies.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Anything else effects wise?
Alright, so like I said, we were sitting at a 92.3, which for this being an older movie
and with older movies, we try to give them a little bit of leeway because they're older.
It's just how how well they compare to like other movies of their time.
So this is definitely above average.
Moving on over to music.
We're sitting at a nine with this one.
Yeah, I mean, what you literally one note and you know what it is like you hear that
trumpet and you're like, ah, the matrix.
Like there is no there's no mistaking it.
Like the every piece of music in there is super.
I mean, even all the way down to like, I don't know if you would call this music more than
like soundscaping, but when he first when they first give him the pill, he touches the
the mirror and starts getting that reflective stuff all over him and he screams and it turns
digital immediately.
Dude, come on, son.
Like that is amazing.
Like that everything.
Yeah, like we've we've discussed changing music to just straight up audio, but.
Like music is just kind of everything because we've used it to like score how well horror
movies use silence.
Yep.
Yeah, I mean, it's yeah, we could probably just change it to audio, but I'm lazy.
No, I mean, it works like it's.
Yeah I mean, it's it's what is it?
They have the what do you call it?
The symphony.
What is it called?
What is it called when you have a bunch of instruments in its plan for a movie?
Why can't I say the word orchestra?
There it is.
They have it's basically the whole thing is an orchestral, you know, a deal with that.
It seems like mostly brass until the very end when they have that, I don't know, whatever
that song is like, I don't know what that is, but it's great.
I should know what that is.
I've had 22 years to find out, but I don't.
But yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what else to say about it other than like you.
Someone could play any part of any Matrix song that's played during the movie during the movie
and you would know it's from the Matrix.
Yeah, I can absolutely agree with that.
Oh yeah.
Personally, the only reason I didn't give it.
A little bit higher was because it doesn't get quite as stuck in my head as other like
really famous scores like.
If I heard it, I could tell you what the the Matrix score sounds like.
Or like if you if you played it for me, I could be like, oh, that's Matrix.
But if you asked me to like hum it, I can't.
Well, I mean, you heard what I said instead of I for the final song, I went down down
down down down down.
But for the music, I was like, yeah, you heard brass.
I'm not I can't make the noise.
Yeah, you're 100% right.
Like that is it's it's not it's weird because you know it immediately, but it's not something
that you're going to be like humming to yourself.
It's not something that's going to get like stuck in your head, but it is something that
you if someone even if someone just says the Matrix, you might just hear that in your head.
You know what I mean?
Like it's it's weird.
Yeah, it's not quite on the same level as like Star Wars is, but I mean, that's not
a super high bar, but.
Yeah, I mean, it is really good, but it's just not quite there.
So I don't disagree with you, but I'm not changing my 10.
That's fair.
So yeah, like I said, we're sitting at a nine with that.
Next up, we got costumes, which we are also at a nine.
I mean, this was a movie made in 99 by.
Was as 1999 as you get when it comes to costumes, they were like, hey, man, you ever heard of
this place called Hot Topic?
Well, good news.
We got all the Hot Topic suits that you could wear.
Like it was like that movie was 100% the 90s.
Yeah.
By the way, they all looked awesome.
They looked awesome in a time when we like wanted superheroes like we all wanted what
we have now when we see like, you know, Captain America and all these people dressed up in
their in their like comic book accurate, but somehow it looks cool uniforms.
And they were like there is no the fact that there was no like a blueprint for them, but
they did this thing that was like clearly like a very specific style, but they didn't
just like throw a bunch of things together.
They're like, oh yeah, as long as it's all black, like it'll look fine.
Like it was like everything actually looked, especially when they were in the matrix, everything
looked functional to what they were doing.
Like you could say like, oh, who would wear a long trench coat?
Oh, I don't know.
Like they were by trying to hide many guns as he goes into a to do a gun shooting lobby scene.
And then that was contrasted perfectly with the real world where they're like, here's
some potato sacks that are empty.
Good luck.
You're like, oh yeah, this is they literally were having to roam around in the sewers of
the matrix.
Like you heard him at one time, we got to get up to hacking depth.
Like that's what they were doing.
They were just rats in the sewer.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
One of the things that really stuck with me when people were talking about costumes in
movies is you want your protagonist to have a really good silhouette.
And I think this is one of those movies and those characters that have a really good silhouette
or not even necessarily that.
Like I feel like anyone could look like they're from the matrix if you do the like dress all
in black leather, but that's it.
You just said it's the glasses.
You just said it though.
If anyone from that from 19 March, 1999 on put on anything, any jacket that was longer
than a jacket.
And if the pants were black and that they were like, what are you the matrix?
What do you think you're Neo?
What are you going to shoot?
Should you shoot me looking for lots of guns?
What are you doing?
Like you were just dressing the matrix now.
Like yeah.
Yeah.
So that's, that's the biggest thing that I appreciated about it.
At least costume wise, cause it looked so cool, dude.
Part of me really wishes I could go back in time and get someone to in like Hollywood
to design something that would match the nineties aesthetic for like all the superheroes we're
seeing now.
Like could you imagine a Captain America made in the late nineties from like some hot topic
girl?
One thing I would like to see though, and it was pointed out to me a long time ago and
I usually look forward in movies and I forgot to in this one is when there are heroines
and they are doing all their fighting and kicking and they seem to be in footwear that
someone who is fighting would absolutely never wear.
IE high heels of some kind.
Like I would like to go back and see if they put Trinity in high heels at all.
Cause I think that would take, is that what we were just talking about?
I already forgot.
Yeah.
Costumes, right?
Or are we talking about music?
No, we're very tired.
Costumes.
Yeah.
I think that would bring my mind down a little bit only because like, listen, I get it.
We're in the matrix.
We can fly now, but also no one is picking high heels to fight in, especially when you're
kicking.
Yeah.
I just looked up a picture of Trinity's costume and she's, she doesn't have like super crazy
heels, but they're not flats either.
Yeah.
They're not flats either.
They're kind of like almost combat boots with like a little bit of a heel on them.
I'll accept combat boots with a little bit of a heel because you know, military, I guess.
So I think a nine is a, is a pretty decent score for, for costumes.
I think what's, I don't even know if there's anything quite lacking.
It's just not quite at that 10 level.
Well for me, nothing, nothing looks out of place.
Like no, you're, you don't see someone you're like, huh, what is this person doing here?
Like why, why do they look like this?
Like even the kid, like it makes sense when the, they bring them into the, the living
room area and she's like, these are the other potential.
It's like, of course, like of course they're going to be from all over the world.
Of course they're going to like, you know, like there is no one that looks out of place,
I guess.
Yeah.
So I think that that's something that the movie does really well.
So yeah.
All right.
Last step and then we're finally done.
How dare you finally?
No, we've been talking for a really long time.
What do you mean?
We only started when it was daytime.
I'm pretty sure we've been talking longer than the actual movie.
For sure.
The movie was two hours and 16 minutes.
So we're pushing for our, yeah, we're, we're pushing for hours.
Yeah, we're, we're up there in time.
Get your heart out, Victor.
Let me see.
Man, tomorrow is going to be an interesting day at work.
We're at like three and a half.
Holy shit.
But anyway, any final thoughts about the movie?
So our personal score, we're sitting collectively at an 89.
Okay.
I'm sorry.
I dragged it down, guys.
I apologize.
That's perfectly okay.
Yeah.
So any final thoughts about about the the matrix?
Rose?
You know, like I said, I didn't unfortunately enjoy it as much as I did when I was a kid.
It's still a really good movie.
I still have a good time with it.
Just wasn't as like good as I remember.
Just my opinion.
Well, you're fired.
I feel I'm going to get a lot of hate.
Please if you get any hate for that, send them my way.
I'll tell them what's up.
All right, DJ, what about you?
I mean, listen, I am this is the second time I've been on this show and been like super
biased like, you know, because the first time I think the first episode we ever did, we
did a Kumail Nanjiani movie and I love that dude and I wanted him to be famous so bad.
And I gave that movie like 10 out of 10 all the way down.
And now he's in the eternal.
So I was right.
So on on the streak of being right, like if somehow you haven't watched The Matrix, I
am so jealous of you.
Like if you're listening to this right now and you have never seen The Matrix, know that
I want to be you and I want to watch this movie the way you are about to watch it when
you finally do go see it.
Go to HBO Max.
They're all there.
You can just watch them right now and you'll even get a little teaser trailer for the next
movie.
Yeah, watch it.
Do you like philosophy?
Watch The Matrix.
Do you like shooting people?
Watch The Matrix.
Do you like do you like leather that's very shiny?
Watch The Matrix.
I don't know.
I'm very sleepy, so I could keep going, but I'm going to stop now.
Yeah, like this movie is is fantastic.
It's definitely one of those cinematic staples.
I don't think this is ever going to age out of relativity.
It's always going to be like like with how it's always going to be a benchmark in in
cinematic history.
Like everyone's going to be talking about The Matrix.
Like if there was ever an equivalent of like this is what Dune wasn't like this was a new
Star Wars and Lord of the Rings.
But it didn't have to tell you that's what it was.
Yeah, like hey, you ready for the new Star Wars?
Check out The Matrix starring Jason Momoa.
Yeah, so I highly, highly recommend you watch this if you haven't.
It's definitely like a fantastic one to see.
But with that, like I said, our personal grades averaged out to an 89.
So that brings the final All Bros and Untrained Eye letter grade for The Matrix to a minus.
That is correct.
Yeah, it is sitting at a 90.25.
Listen, my whole goal, because I knew like no one's going to be as into this movie as
I am, was to get it into the A range and I have done my duty.
Now on the next two movies, I can be a little more realistic.
So comparing this to other A minus movies, this is a first.
I have not seen anything else on our list like this.
This is tied.
So this is like is bottom of the list for A minus movies.
But it is tied with three other movies.
Oh my God.
Is it The Matrix 2, The Matrix 3, and Constantine?
Close.
So it is sitting at a 90.25.
That puts it on the exact same level as Soul and Us.
Wow.
Wait, Us.
Oh, Us.
You know, I've never seen Us.
I don't know why you said Us and I was like up.
I was like, that seems weird.
Same thing actually.
I was like, wait, I don't remember breaking down that Pixar movie.
I've got to see Us.
Like I've heard mixed reviews on that movie, but the fact that it scored equally with The
Matrix, I feel like I have to see it now.
Yeah, it's definitely good.
I think it ordered them by like which one we did first.
So like when Us, Soul, and then Matrix.
But yeah, those movies are just the exact same score.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
But then that puts it a little bit below 1917, which was at a 90.37.
Put it below Little Women, which was at a 90.61.
And then finally put it below Promising Young Woman at 90.75.
Okay, that's not bad.
Yeah.
But the margins were super close.
Like super freaking close.
Like it doesn't even...
Let's see.
There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
Okay, yeah, there are 10 movies above it before we even get a full percentage away.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, they're like super tight.
And funny enough, one of those 10 movies is the Untrained Eye, Crash and Taz, Far From
Home score.
We did it.
Hell yeah.
All righty.
Well, good news.
This is the last A plus Matrix movie we're going to see, and I'm including the fourth
one.
Or I'm sorry, A rated Matrix movie.
So enjoy it while it lasts, dear listener.
Hell yeah.
Well, DJ, would you like to tell everyone where they can find you and what you do?
I do a lot of things, but some of those things are be a podcast host on the Untrained Eye
with my wife, Bethany.
If you're listening to the All Bros, you can find the Untrained Eye.
Just type it in and that's probably us.
I also do a solo podcast called Dragging the Table that, like I mentioned, I don't know,
four weeks ago when we started the show, I am trying to bring back from the dead.
Put some downloads on it so I know that I should, you know, I don't know, maybe take
less time away from the All Bros and maybe put some time into a solo episode.
I'm sure there's other stuff, but actually, if you live in the Hillsborough County area
in Florida and you need a job, DM me.
Because I need to hire some people so bad.
Do you want to work with your favorite podcaster?
DM me at Untrained iPod.
How crazy would it be if you did get an interested party from our show?
It would be super weird, but I would be down for it.
Excuse me.
Well, we enjoy having you on and we are looking forward to our crazy December.
Yeah.
I'm so sorry that I've done this to you.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry to you guys.
I'm sorry to the listeners of your show.
I'm sorry to end the Twitter guy.
If you're still here, I'm sorry for what I said earlier.
I was mean and I shouldn't have been.
I talked too much and I'm sorry.
I'm so sorry.
It's midnight 30.
Yeah, no apologies needed.
These breakdowns are so fun.
They are.
All right.
Well, if you like this episode, want to hear more of our stuff, be sure to follow and subscribe
to us wherever you listen to podcasts.
We are basically everywhere.
You can also catch all of our episodes on YouTube or you can follow us on social media.
If you want to hit us up with an episode idea, answer our question of the week or if you
want to join us for an episode in January.
Then I'll share the stage.
If someone listen, listen to me.
This is my, this is what I say as much as I would love to do all the matrix movies.
If someone comes up and is like, if someone reaches out to you, Caleb and says, no, no,
no, I have a lot of knowledge about these movies and I want to be the apologist that
DJ only wishes he could be have that person.
Okay.
Because those movies deserve more recognition and more accolades than they get.
So that's all I'm saying, but I'll do it.
I'll do my best if no one else steps to the plate.
Well, I'll let you know.
Pretty sure we won't, but I'll let you know.
You say that, but I wanted to do the suicide squad movie so bad.
And the fact that that guy got in before me, I love them.
But man, I was so mad when you were like, ah, this guy already came in and said he would
do it.
I like, I wanted to hate that guy so bad.
I wanted him to do terrible.
So I could be like, you see, you see, you could have talked to me for four and a half
hours about this movie, but no, he did great.
Of course.
Oh, well, yeah.
So we are on social media, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
Just search at the All Bros.
We are now on TikTok at the All Bros.
So go check that out.
Or if you want to hit us up with anything, you can email us at theallbroschannel.gmail.com.
Check out our website, tinyurl.com, where you can find links or tinyurl.com forward slash
the All Bros.
Or where you can find links to everything that we do, including some of our merch options.
No shirts, though, not unless they are not branded with Sonic or whatever.
You can't have those.
Those aren't allowed.
Yeah, you can have those if you special order them on our website.
There's still a link to the merch store.
But dude, like no joke, we've had like five orders of.
The Monster House artwork.
Really?
So, yeah, no reason.
No, like that's our bestseller and I have no idea why.
Yeah.
Well, you do good work, Caleb.
Why don't you give yourself a little pat on the back there once in a while?
Listen, you make artwork that is so good that the people that even though you are making
your own original work are like, no, too close.
So it's true.
I know it pisses me off.
It pisses me off so bad.
Anyway, next week, you guys can look forward to us breaking down the newest Ghostbusters
movie Ghostbusters Afterlife.
I'll try to keep my proton pack under control.
A what where is that located?
Is that only in theaters or is that also an HBO Max?
No, it's only in theaters.
The theaters.
Boo.
Damn it.
Yeah, I had a feeling Caleb was going to say that.
I'm so excited.
Dude, I'm seeing that shit in XD tomorrow and I can't freaking wait.
I was going to freaking VR movie night that shit.
I would love to see that, but I don't think we're going to be able to find a good version.
Yeah, not for a while.
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Just look on the Internet, just get a VPN and go to.
I don't know.
I'm sorry.
I'm done.
I actually got flagged by Xfinity for less than legal download.
Did you say, hey, none of your business?
Why don't you just take my money and give me the Internet or whatever?
Wait, Xfinity is Internet, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Hey, how about you continue to take my check that clears and shut your mouth Xfinity.
You're not worried about all the other stuff that's going on.
You're not worried about all the fake news coming into my feed through Facebook.
So why don't you shut your stupid face?
So anyway, have fun listening to that episode next week.
Yeah.
And if you listen to this episode.
Oh, sorry.
No, I was just going to say if you guys enjoy this episode with DJ as much as we do, we
have a super fun December planned out where it's basically a DJ, a DJ Christmas.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
If you got this far in the episode, oh God, I feel people, I feel the unsubscribes happening.
They're like, nope, we're out.
If you got this far in the podcast, I want you to go to Twitter, type in at the, is it
the Albrows or at Albrows?
The Albrows.
Go to go to Twitter, type in at the Albrows, find the post for this episode and type in
I made it to the end.
Hashtag too much DJ.
Type in that.
No, you can just go.
I made it to the end.
Hashtag not enough DJ.
T O O M U C H DJ.
We'll see who wins the too much DJs or the too much DJs.
He's tired.
He doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
Also from Florida.
I'm sure that plays into it too.
Somehow someone would say.
All right.
With that, we will catch you guys next week.
Until then, this has been the Albrows podcast.
I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan and we'll see you guys next week.
Davis is so long.
I'm sorry.
I'm too tired to do the whole smile.
There we go.
I still got it in him.
I love it.