What is up bros welcome to the all bros podcast I'm Caleb and unfortunately
Rose got caught up at work so I did have to enlist the help of my unofficial
third host yes I am here yes it is I it is I it is I crash from crash and taz's
movie seller and the rest of you you've been chosen by a higher power so welcome
it is so good to be on here and man this is probably the biggest reveal since
Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield on no way home which we had that's not been
confirmed yet but this has ladies and gentlemen that is a made his crash DJ
how's it going my friend we got him oh we got him I've been waiting for weeks
dude that was amazing I quit I am no longer the official third host and mic
drop there it is by the way I thought that was a first a second I thought that
was like recorded audio I was like oh they did a fun little thing no dude he's
been on mute since you've joined the video chat by the way now it makes so
much sense why we had all the mic problems during this yeah by the way I
during your whole little thing I was telling Kayla I sent Caleb a little
message facepalm guy I was like you see this is why I'm unofficial number three
problems persisted and I said and he's number five so Beth welcome you are the
next unofficial number four all sis all bro I don't know
chicken established the sister I mean listen that is a much better choice so
you know I can I can go and get her and she could probably wing it better than I
could do with my handful of notes
oh yeah oh gosh what's up man what is you know we have been planning this for
weeks now and this one specifically or was it just for one in general it was
for well I heard that you were gonna be on there so I think I I don't know if I
missed the first one or if I just forgot that that week was gonna be the matrix
but then I hit up Caleb and I was like I gotta get on there like whether he
knows it or not I gotta get on there and then Caleb came up actually I think it
was you Caleb yeah you came up with the whole idea like dude we could just like
surprise him I was like yes introduce your next co-host and I'll be like what
is up the door down what's up brothers oh yeah this isn't awesome wait so you
please by the way how funny would it be if you didn't did you watch the movie too
I did I did god I am so excited right now to know what to babies think of this
movie
baby let me just throw that out of all three of us well of the three of us I'm
the youngest okay oh my goodness all right well my stupid plan I'm putting
that away the top 10 streaming streamers that streamed so easily one of the best
things that I've done with this show and ever I'd say this goes as like this was
tied for number one the crossover episode was pretty good
and coincidentally we both happen to be on both of those so I mean is it the
coincidence I don't know it's a glitch in the matrix topical yeah well with this
week unfortunately since Rose isn't here to do his 4k spotlight job we do not
have anything to really talk about with through the wall the only thing that I
kind of had was that spider-man or not spider-man Spotify did their wrapped
thing and kind of hurt my feelings but what do you mean um have you seen like
the the Spotify wrapped so you you showed me the thing I looked how do you
even get to that because I'm like looking through my Spotify app and I
can't find how to find that they have like just some thing that you can click
on I don't know what it's on the app yeah it's on the app yeah oh all the
song no thanks okay sorry I should probably stop looking at my phone yeah
I'm interested to know because it's the we're talking about is like it tells you
like what your top all your top listen to stuff is including podcast right yeah
yeah like throughout the year and stuff yeah I'm interested to know because I've
gone completely to Spotify like I was I was hardcore like Google podcast guy
forever and as soon as Joe Rogan went over there I was like meh I'll just
switch everything there yeah so I have our podcast connected to my personal
account so I got the the wrapped for our podcast and then like my own personal
one like my own personal one was fun because it's just like oh like that's
the music I listen to but the one for the podcast like really sucked ass like
what your top ones were because I need to know now because was it like no so
like the Coco Melon theme song for your kid or something no like his is gonna
show him more of like what was listening to him like by no yeah that's right
right yeah so like my personal one tells me like what music I've listened to and
like the podcast I've listened to which I think some of those are bullshit
because I just started listening to some of those like this year and just like
was binging but I think it also goes on like episode length so unfortunately
crash you guys did not make the top five because your episodes are short
bitch they are shorter I know yeah so yeah I like I got those but then I also
get like a separate one for for the all bros like and that instead of it's
saying like oh who's your favorite this that they like give me the stats of the
show and really yeah so it that one's like not super fun yeah but there's
nothing more fun for an independent podcaster dear listener than looking at
the numbers sometimes and you're like I am for sure doing this for the love of
the game which by the way that but by the way I will just say it makes the
people that like reach out to you and you know that even if they're just just
throw a like on a post or something like it means so much more because we're like
oh so you're one of the ten neat yeah you know before our month hiatus I think
I think I mentioned like the numbers specific like our numbers specifically
from our show just cuz Taz doesn't see any of those things I'm you know he does
he comes in and records and I take care of the rest so I shared some of those
and I mean it's yeah it's it's sometimes disappointing but like like you said
you're doing it for the love of the game the other thing too the I try and keep
in mind is like because we've been doing earliest in my opinion I've been doing
it for so long you're like well clearly the numbers would go up but the fact
that there are numbers at all like you know what I mean because they could be
zero but they're not that's definitely the mentality I kept that's the one we
got to it's just like hey we haven't had nobody listen to our show and like seven
days I mean listen I'm not doing anyone any favors on the all bros podcast feed
by making a 17 and a half hour podcast with you guys like I'm sure people see
that and they're like really my whole week is what you want from me so they
had like like they started off really nice they're like okay six people
listen to your show more than any other show that they listen to and I'm like
oh that's nice and they're like yeah yeah right I'm like okay I know at least
two of them and then they're like six people listen to you on a weekly basis
and I'm like nice I like and I feel like I know those same two people and and
then the last one was like the app like your your average listening time is 23
seconds and I'm like oh that feels great they listen to the intro and they're
like cool intro next I appreciate it bye bye three percent retention rate just
shorten the intro and then you know maybe the no I worked hard on that intro
PS you just told me that I'm not looking at those numbers later when they show
up but it's good because by the way who in a million years like think of like
when you first started this podcast like how in the world would you ever imagine
that us three would be here doing this on all sides of the country no so it's
worth it to me for that so I'll take it yeah thanks to everybody that listens
to every to any podcaster that it's it's such a nice gratifying feeling like it
really is someone that's not family that has to listen to me wants to listen to
me this is great so yeah lucky some of us don't even get family listening to
our show listen some of us get family they wish wouldn't listen to their show
hey wait a minute I resent that thank you very much okay well you okay you get
there's like one like everyone else my family does not listen to it because
they think it's stupid imagine having a normal job and being like your hobby is
stupid you know what I do for my hobby I go home and I put my pills into a into
little separate vessels that say MTWTF but your hobbies dumb I take all my a
vitamins today I don't know let me check the pill vessel sorry for making fun of
your family listen don't make fun of people
oh shit yeah so other than other than that that little humbler from Spotify we
don't have anything else to really talk about what do you mean you're the number
one Monster House podcast on the internet I heard
it's not even that one it's it's we sell like a shirt and they're not even like
adult shirts their kid shirts like kid-sized shirts or just yeah are
that's but by the way well but you might have just you might have just figured it
out like there that's maybe what your market should be is like get all the
like Pixar and whatever like just make that only in kid sizes because of course
kids are gonna want to buy that and you know what kids do they grow they're
gonna need a new size in like six months so that's that that is the racket we all
need to quit our podcast and make a kid clothing line and that could be the
thing that we only have six subscribers to like no joke if you go on T public
like right now and just Google or just search Monster House ours is the first
one that pops up so I actually want to see that
speaking of thank you to whoever bought the Monster House pillow this week
somebody's getting somebody's getting spoiled with their favorite podcast
merchandise this Christmas you we need Monster House updates every week like no
joke though we've sold at least eight items in the past month all Monster
House that's that's not bad though man that's really good I know that's like
16 bucks in our pocket so considering most people just spend money to buy
stickers and buttons to then send them out for free and by that I mean buy
stamps and envelopes I think you're coming up good yeah it's not too bad oh
well yeah so I have usually when we jump into the new segment we I'll just do the
thing hello my name is Brecker nurse and I want to tell you about my phone or
movie podcast called autopsy for horror movie on my show I like to have fun
dissecting out what makes a horror movie scary what worked for it what didn't
what types of fears us a playoff of is in an allegory for any sort of message I
don't know but let's find out also I like to watch slashers I'm a big slasher
guy so I'll watch a slasher and do a kill grade for it I will cover the kills
and I will tell you how I would grade it based on shock methods style points in a
fourth category that is a reflection of the movie besides those I'll have fun
with special topic episodes commentary tracks interviews with guests including
some shutter directors so I just like to have a fun time over here if any of this
sounds interesting to you or you want to come check me out please head over to
Spotify Apple podcast or anywhere they listen to podcast and search for
autopsy before a movie also be sure to find me on Instagram at Brucker horror
where you get fun updates and some cool little posts that I do thanks for
listening and I hope that you get to enjoy the show and I'll see you on
Instagram bye now Brucker is the one with the terrible Scott Pilgrim Jesus
Christ you're in my brain right now I was about to say is that the guy
actually I'm gonna go in unfiltered I was about to say that the bastard that
shit all over Scott Pilgrim get out of my head right now DJ you might ruin your
way back up to number four sorry Beth it's gonna be a long episode so I'm gonna
make my way down to number six by the end of this yes that is the Brucker that
has the not super great opinion on Scott Pilgrim versus the listen no one should
hold that against him he's a great guy I hear but he's just got a few bad
opinions it's fine like we all have our faults it just happens to be glaring and
wrong dude you have with that episode when we sent out that list for everyone
to be like hey give us like a quick little score of whatever movies you want
to do and when he like sent like cuz I had just listened to his episode about
Scott Pilgrim and I knew that he didn't like it so I just assumed that he wasn't
going to do Scott Pilgrim so when he sent us like the the failing scores for
for Scott Pilgrim I'm like are you shitting me like damn it this guy I
gotta I gotta go and listen to his what his because honestly he needs to come on
here I feel like and he really is to like go point for point and be like
listen this is where this is terrible this is what I'm willing to be convinced
you can convince me something that I think is good as terrible but I mean that
is a that is a long road sir I'll I'll make a note and send you the the link to
his Scott Pilgrim episode because it's not like his new show is the autopsy of
a horror movie but he did film on the rocks before that and so yeah I'll send
you the link to that after I mean at least the podcast was named correctly
film on the rocks that's a great podcast to have a bad opinion about a movie on
dude that show was super cool so they would like discuss the movie like just
discuss everything they like disliked about it and then at the the end they
would come up with drinking rules for the movie but I hope you're paying
Caleb for all this because this is like way above and beyond whatever you're
paying him for your your ad spot you need to double it
hashtag not sponsored everyone go tag Brooker and be like why aren't you
paying Caleb for all those all those ads he's giving you for clearly he's doing
it under duress even though you have a good show I think that you know what I
like about this podcast is I don't know why it brings the I want to make enemies
out of me like I'm not normally like that but I'm just I just come at
everybody for no good reason like if that guy hated me I would completely
understand and apologize
did nothing's better than a good podcast rivalry that's the sad part about Vic
and I becoming friends is you know we like it's almost gone you know I had I
had like such like good burns planned and now they're just just gone I guess
use them on Brooker now seems wrong though does he listen to this show on a
regular basis I want to know if he's gonna really truly hear me like Brooker
I mean I mean if he's got his if he's got his his what's it called on here he
should be listening to this thing at least I'll be 100% real I do not know if
he listens to this at all I just went hunting down like I went through all the
people that I like and was just like hey send me a promo and then just kind of
got whatever I got which I only have like four per was dude okay everyone's
job this week is to hit that dude up and be like hey did you hear what the
Albrows were saying about you this week it is so awesome you're gonna love it
if you don't normally listen to the show you're gonna want to hit this episode
see you see that's where that's where we just like comment so when when Caleb
puts like an Instagram post or something everybody comment they tag their tag
them on everything just be like dude look what he said about boom and then
they're like getting all these notifications from different social
medias like what the hell got set on this episode and and then he and then
that's already more than 23 seconds you're already up for next year so yeah
we're 20 seconds dorks you freaking you're missing this gold right now just
wait wait till I sit wait till what I say about broker at the end of this
episode oh my god you won't believe it he told us what he's gonna say before we
started recording that is gonna be unbelievable you will never we freaking
love you broker we just don't appreciate your opinion on Scott Pilgrim versus the
world some people would call it an opinion I would call it a fallacy so
anything nerdy related you guys want to talk about or you guys want to get
straight into the breakdown can I just give you guys I saw this article from
Esquire today that said the 10 best TV shows of 2021 and I only recognize I've
only seen one of them and I only recognize two and can you tell me how
far out of the loop I am here let's see number 10 was a show called
made on Netflix MAI heard of made heard of it I watched it okay what we do in
the shadows of course everyone has heard of that show right I've heard of it I
haven't seen it yeah didn't watch it Ted lasso did that one soccer I think that
one's about soccer right not a clue high on the hog another Netflix joint don't
know that no doopity-doo the chair also on Netflix no the white lotus on HBO
heard of it we're here uncle I rose secret organization special Mahjong chip
which Jonathan when you're listening to this you should know by now you
frickin this frickin gay a show called we're here on HBO
heard of it I haven't heard and here's where we get into it number three is
squid game have you ever heard of that one haven't seen it yet yeah I am
planning on watching it when I have time to actually sit down and like read
number two yeah number two is mayor or Mar Mare of Easttown no and number one
is Wanda vision
by the way can I just tell you Wanda vision the only one I feel like that
does not belong on that list at all that was just such I read that list and was
like this is such am I this far out or like are these just nothing shows and
I'm glad to know that it's either I heard of it or what is this nonsense
from you guys I know I know a lot of people that have watched squid games and
they really like it that's why I said I haven't watched it yet
sorry good no I don't know about it being unpopular but I know for me I it's
hard for me to watch new shows and series and stuff like that so I will say
this about squid game I heard a Korean lady talking about this she was like
because the people are been like oh you got to watch it the subtitles because
that's the way it's meant to be blah blah the subtitles I have heard are
wrong like they they're not not like not like so wrong that you're not getting
the correct message but wrong enough that like a couple words are changed in
ways that which might have been fixed by now but initially when it came out this
lady's like yeah it changes just enough that like it's not necessarily what what
they were intending to say so suck it people that say listening to dubbed is
no good you suck stop reading and listen to shows don't read them like learning
Braille when you can already see like what are you doing I feel like DJ has a
very strong opinion towards people that like sub over dub well it's the people
that are like we'll get up in your biz about it they're like dude you don't
watch it in the original duh or a sub like no I didn't come here I came here
for entertainment not a half school assignment see I got lucky I have
friends that they watch anime and stuff and I've started getting into anime more
and more and before with the exception of Dragon Ball like you know I've always
preferred the dub but then my friends I know they prefer sub but they were never
like in my face about it but they they do I know they do prefer it and I've
actually switched over to that now but it's uh I mean it's not terrible listen I
don't have a problem with anyone's personal preference it's once people get
into the wars of like dude you're not listening to it in its original way it
was intended where it sounds like everyone is doing a racist depiction of
just their normal language yeah was it you DJ or was it the angry dad that sent
the the the best slash worst sub versus dubbed anime thing it was probably been
the angry dad because he is he is deep in the anime game so I would imagine
because anime rarely anything anime related rarely comes through my timeline
on tick-tock okay there's this hilarious tick-tock that he sent me of the subbed
version versus the dubbed version and this subbed version there was this dude
running running laps and like his I think it was his brother was trying to
cheer him on and he's or like just get him to run a little bit faster and he's
just like run run like so that's why what the subtitles say are telling him
we're like run run run like your life depends on it and then his brother like
freaks out and like and then like just goes and he's just like oh it's like
0.5 seconds faster and he's just like okay well alright and so and then they
jumped to the dubbed and there was the same thing is just like run run and then
he then it goes run like there's a big black man chasing you and then he like
freaked out that was me that was me you said and you know what Caleb said that
to me and I was dying when I saw that like why would they how did they get so
far off the point that's amazing also I wonder I always wonder and stuff like
that if the voice actors are like for real I gotta say this like I don't speak
the language so I can't double-check you but you're sure okay Chinese people are
racist I don't I don't watch anime too often so listen the last anime that I
watched was attack on Titan and I think I got through most of season one and
like an episode or two of season two and I was like yeah I get it they're giant
and they eat people I'm done they live in a they live in a fish bowl got it one
of them sort of turns into a Titan kind of and one of them can talk later cool
yeah I've watched the one punch man dubbed and that was super weird and then
I've watched some of attack on Titan one punch man interests me like every time
I'm like oh one punch man to me is like the Witcher 3 like I almost am on the
cusp of buying that game when it goes on sale and then I look at a review of it
and I'm like I wouldn't enjoy this at all
one punch man it's kind of the same way I'm like I think I would like the show
and then they're like yeah it's just a guy that he's bored because he can kill
everyone with one punch I'm like yeah I've seen all the Matrix movies I get it
he's having an existential crisis the show's like super weird because they
have like all these side characters that will do like the crazy like spectacle
fighting and then he comes in and then just one hit yeah one punches them and
it's like super lame and everyone it's so weird because it's like they there's
like a superhero hierarchy so you're you're graded on what kind of superhero
you are like on whatever the European rating system is like the s is the
highest rating or whatever and so like there will be some villain that comes in
like completely destroys everyone and then he'll go and one punch up and then
suddenly everyone's like oh he must have not been that hard to beat oh wait so
people are just like not they just don't believe it they're just like oh this guy
he just shows up after the the bad guys been beaten up enough then he can one
punch him yeah that's exactly what everyone thinks like he like a bad guy
comes in frickin like wrecks everyone like all the other superheroes and then
he comes in one punches and they're like oh well he like he just took credit for
everyone else is doing look at his bald head they loosen the lid on the pickle
jar for him exactly yeah exactly that kind of stuff so anyway um anything else
you guys want to talk about or get right into matrix I had my terrible list I'm
good I'm good for the matrix all righty let's do it
all righty like we said this week's breakdown will be or this week's
headliner will be our breakdown matrix reloaded it's been a headliner for a
while buddy yeah I know at least I didn't say main event
why do you have rose like that man he's not even here to defend himself poor guy
one of these days we're gonna have a throwback episode where everything's
like what we originally have like original theme song original segments
like all of that fun shit that'd be cool yeah but if you guys are new to this
breakdown system we've split movies into eight different categories that we
individually score to come to a final all bros untrained eye and crash and taz
movie grade the eight categories that we score our story writing acting
character development effects music costumes and then we give it our own
personal grade at the very end then all of that magic gets added up together and
spits out a like a great house letter grade for us unfortunately I failed to
post a question of the week again because other than the red pill blue
pill I did not know what to post about well crash what was what would you have
picked the red or the blue pill because I'm blue pill gang all day I have to
remember what what they what were your options on those again and blue red
hill yeah the blue pill was the one that like basically makes you forget
everything and then the red hill is the one that opens your mind yeah damn that's tough you know what I'd rather just not know so probably blue pill right yeah yeah man
ignorance is bliss that's a great cipher quote all right well if you guys have
not seen the matrix reloaded you have had many many many years to watch it so if
they get spoiled for you it is your own fault past 2003 is a long time ago so
unfortunately we have a reading with Caleb episode so every time I do only
unfortunate it's only unfortunate because now everyone's gonna see who's
worse him or Rose and by the way you got a lot of work to do sir I'm looking at
it right now this is like you like after you read this I think the show's over
yeah every time I do one of these I feel really bad for giving Rose such a hard
time like especially after freaking dune like that one was rough dune was only
that is not only that he's looking up like a Wikipedia summary right yeah
pretty much yeah so I mean in his defense who's to say some dumbass put
like even spelled something right you know what I mean come on listen do nerds
do not ever okay ever question a dune nerd they will tell you about a worm
that lives in the sand all day like that's the only thing worse than a Star
Wars geek is a freaking dune nerd all righty well let's get into it in one
breath go six months after the events of the Matrix Neo and Trinity are now
romantically involved Morpheus receives a message from Captain
Nyobi of the logos calling an emergency meeting of all ships of Zion Zion has
confirmed the last transmission of the Osiris an army of sentinels is tunneling
towards Zion and will reach it within 72 hours commander Locke orders all ships
to return to Zion to prepare for the onslaught but Morpheus asks one ship to
remain to contact the Oracle as the caduceus receives a message from the
Oracle one of the caduceus crew Bane encounters Smith who reveals that his
previous encounter with Neo severed his connection with the Matrix and has made
him a rogue program Smith then takes over Bane's body and uses the phone line
to leave the matrix into the real world in Zion Morpheus announces the news of
the advancing machines to the people the nebuchadnezzar leaves Zion and enters
the matrix where Neo meets the Oracle's bodyguard Seraph who leads him to her
after realizing that the Oracle is part of the matrix Neo asks how he can trust
her she replies that this is his decision the wait yeah the Oracle
instructs Neo to reach the source of the matrix with the help of the keymaker as
the Oracle departs Smith appears telling Neo that after being defeated he refused
to be deleted and is now a rogue program he demonstrates his ability to clone
himself using other inhabitants of the matrix including other agent agents as
hosts he then tries to absorb Neo but fails prompting a battle between Smith's
clones and Neo Neo manages to defend himself but is forced to retreat from
the increasingly overwhelming numbers Neo Morpheus and Trinity visit the
here we go Mero Vigion Mero Vingean Mero Vingean
they literally say it in the movie I mean fair Mero Vingean who is imprisoning
the keymaker the Mero Vingean a rogue program with his own agenda refuses to
let him go his wife Persephone seeking revenge on her husband for his
infidelity leads the trio to the keymaker Morpheus Trinity and the key
maker flee while Neo holds off the Mero Vingean's henchmen Morpheus and Trinity
try to escape with the keymaker pursued by several agents and the Mero Vingean's
chief henchmen the twins after a long chase Trinity escapes Morpheus defeats
the twins and Neo saves Morpheus and the keymaker from agent Johnson the crews of
the Nebuchadnezzar vigilante and logos help the keymaker and Neo reach the
source the logos crew must destroy a power plant and the vigilant crew must
disable a backup power station to prevent a security system from being
triggered allowing Neo to open the door to the source haunted by a vision of
Trinity's death Neo asks her to remain on the Nebuchadnezzar the logo succeeds
while the vigilant is destroyed by a sentinel with everyone aboard perishing
Trinity replaces the vigilant crew and completes their mission however agent
Thompson corners her and they fight as Neo Morpheus and the keymaker try to
reach the source the Smiths ambush them the keymaker unlocks the door to the
source but the Smiths shoot him dead as he closes the door Neo meets a program
called the architect the creator of the matrix who explains that as the one Neo
is himself an intentional part of the design of the matrix which is now in its
sixth iteration Neo is meant to stop the matrix's fatal system crash that
naturally recurs due to the concept of human choice within it as with the five
previous ones Neo has a choice either return to the source to reboot the
matrix and pick survivors to repopulate the soon-to-be destroyed Zion and his
predecessors or as his predecessors all did or refuse causing the matrix to crash
and killing everyone connected to it which combined with the pending
destruction of Zion would mean humanity's extinction Neo learns of
Trinity's situation and chooses to save her instead of returning to the source
to which the architect responds dismissively Trinity is shot as she and
agent Thompson fall off a building before she hits the ground Neo flies and
catches her he then removes the bullet from her chest as she starts a flatline
Neo reaches into her heart and revives her they return to the real world where
sentinels attack them the nebuchadnezzar is destroyed but the crew escape Neo
displays a new ability to disable real-world machines with his thoughts but
falls into a coma from the effort the crew are picked up by another ship the
hammer its captain Roland reveals what other ships in defense of Zion were
wiped out by the machines after someone prematurely activated an EMP and that
only one survivor was found the Smith possessed Bane can I take some umbrage
with some of that really just one part when it says did you do god dang it did
I lose it no I didn't Neo is meant to stop the matrix matrix is fatal system
crash that naturally recurs due to the concept of human choice within it I
literally just got done watching this movie like an hour and a half or two
hours ago and that is exactly not it because what he said was is that until
the Oracle figured out that humans needed choice that when they didn't have
choice that was when the system crash would happen because there were at
least two iterations that he talked the architect talks about where he says you
know the first one he created was perfect the second one he created was
chaos but what basically what the Oracle figured out was that they needed even if
it was at a subconscious level the choice to be in the matrix so Wikipedia I
disagree with that one line wrong I say yeah I think for me like all that shit
kind of got really confusing I mean listen do we want to go in order or do
we want to just dig right into the psychology of this weird movie we can
get into the psychology of this I wanted to experience the like the big screen
idea of this so I watched this in VR you bastard dude it was dope but seeing all
the effects on the big screen kind of made them stand out like real bad yeah
this is that movie was about 2003 as you get oh yeah have either of you guys seen
the dancing Dobby gif no no but it already sounds like no I actually have
that pulled up just so I can I don't know try and attempt to let me see if I
can turn here we go I don't know if you guys can see that but that's kind of
like what I think of when I think matrix yeah I mean I figured we'll get into that
we'll get we'll yeah we'll get into that I would imagine with effects but god
dang it dude spoiler alert when they used the effects properly in the first
one they were like but we have a hundred million dollars now I mean what are we
gonna do with all those hundred million dollars
effects are not going to hold up can we sorry I even that just that the only the
only reason to talk about effects in this movie got so much to say about it
all right well we will get there so let's start with like I said with story
so we don't have your score yet I don't know whether I should go first or last
because I'm gonna give the story I'm debating between an eight or nine and
really the the thing about the story that I was really the disservice I'm
doing to myself with these Matrix movies is I'm having to watch them in chunks and
I'm not watching them just straight through like with the notebook but like
the thing that struck me immediately that I was like we don't need this in
the story was the backstory of Morpheus and Captain Locke you know battling over
this lady like that didn't need to be like he could just hate Morpheus because
Morpheus Morpheus is clearly a very charismatic guy I said it in the last
episode about the matrix like he is clearly a cult leader and I think that
we see that come to full fruition in this when he gives the can you dig it
speech in Zion but like it Locke the reason I think the story gets I'll give
it a nine because even though I disagree with like the her being the reason why
they hate each other like I really like that lot I really like Locke a lot this
isn't a reason to like the whole story but I like him because he's the only
one that we see that's actually correct like he he is the only sane person
that we see like everything we see we're seeing the from the perspective of the
people that we like but really those are the crazy people because this dude's
like yo the machines are coming like we need to protect ourselves and they're
like no no no no no we got computer Jesus here he's gonna save us all like
what drink your punch and have your your close dancing party with your quote
unquote clothes yeah I'm gonna give it a nine well okay just to go even further
with it I think that a lot of stuff that was kind of like alluded to as far as
the story go well what are your guys the scores just so I can defend myself
so I gave it a 72 and 86 and I don't know why I'm going out of 10 I'm gonna
go then yeah we're gonna go moron I'm gonna go goes out of 10 but here on the
Albrows I know it's okay at number five it's tough to remember these things but
don't worry here you know I'm the last one on the email chain I don't know why
I did that I'm very embarrassed now no but I listen I would I don't think your
guys's scores are bad because like but I do think the reason I would score it so
high even compared to the first movie is because it pays off a lot of things that
get talked about like you because I honestly I forgot like going back to
watch these movies I forgot they didn't go to Zion in the first matrix I don't
know why I just remembered them going back there but that was clearly I was
remembering them going back in the second movie you get to see you got like
a glimpse in that movie of what's-her-face Trinity's the fact that she
has an affinity for motorcycles and we got to we got all the car chases we got
her in a Bugatti doing like cool stuff jumping off buildings doing crazy stuff
to ghosts and whatnot like you got to see like I know this is gonna go more to
character development but like you got to see Morpheus like watching Morpheus go
from the beginning of the movie to the end of the movie to me is worth the
price of admission because that dude like nobody wants to be Morpheus at the
end of that movie like I don't know I thought it was good I thought it was good
especially compared to the first movie because I agreed with you and Rose
Caleb that like I had a lot of nostalgia for that movie in the sense that like
yeah I'm like yeah it was a great story it explained everything but it really
did it was like real fast like it was you know it made you assume a lot of
things and if you didn't assume it it was really it was hard to make those
logical leaps if you weren't willing to already be there with it but I think
that's where this movie even though it was still snappy enough like I think it
took its time a little more to be like not necessarily flesh anything out
too much further but I think it just gave a little more time with everybody
yeah this one kind of had like a complete like ice for me it had a
completely opposite issue where the matrix was taking things very like fast
and quick paced I feel like this one took everything like super slow okay
listen we all even at the time were like yes we're still dancing for 14 and a
half minutes why are we all still dancing like yeah it wasn't even
necessarily just that part it was also the opening with Trinity and her like
the vision of her death it was just like like for one it had like a really weird
cut like I had to rewind because I thought like I dozed off what do you
mean like like what part were you like hold on it was when she okay it was like
right when you like get the intro where she's just like I'm in and then suddenly
she's like in the middle of a gunfight I'm like wait what the hell and then she
like looks all kind of all beat to hell and I'm like wait what the shit like did
I miss something and so I like rewound it and I was like wait what the hell and
then the way that they were when she jumped out of the building and turned
around and started shooting the shooting went on at least ten shots too long I
feel like the that movie still was coming off of like the the hangover of
like older school movies that would start with like the where you would do
the start at the end you know what I mean but they kind of like they kind of
tried to like do it a little differently by saying like no this is Neo kind of
seeing the future not you know even though technically we did that like it's
it's more than just you know earlier in the story this happened yeah I mean the
the starting at the end thing didn't bother me at all it was just the fact
that that like for one that weird cutscene where it goes from like her
just entering the matrix to being beat to hell like within a second of each
other and then the super long sequence of her falling that seemed to go on for
like five minutes like I freaking like no joke I was I was texting Rose while I
was watching it and like with it like a VR headset so I like kind of picked it
up was texting Rose and it was like during that scene where she's like
falling and so I'm like I've text Rose put my headset down and then she's still
falling went up finished my message sent it put it down and she's still freaking
falling to me that is all like hours and gold member
got time that that was one of the things again this might be an effects thing
but I guess you could kind of call it a story thing is like because I feel like
because they had so much more money to do this movie like they used the way
they used bullet time in the first movie was like really to show like in my mind
it wasn't that time was actually slowing down it's that like every we were able
to slow down enough to see the crazy craziness that they were doing and it's
almost like they forgot that that that's what that was all about and that you
know I get that it was like this crazy gunfight in the air while they're
falling but yeah when you hearing you talk about it like that I'm like again
like that's my own nostalgia for it is I'm like yeah I remember seeing that in
the theater it was awesome what are you talking about but yeah they did like
they said they said I feel like it got better about it but between that and
that dance scene that happens in Zion you're like is this just gonna be long
scenes of like not really anything happening is this what we're all about I
feel like the the matrix the trilogy I haven't seen the third one yet so this
might be like just completely out there but I feel they could have edited this
movie down about maybe a good half hour by taking out the super long excessive
scenes and just and if they did the same thing with the third one which will
get to in a couple weeks I feel like they probably just could have cut a lot
of more shit out of that movie and just made the matrix duo well that's the
thing too this was another thing of like where they made I'm pretty sure they
made these two movies like back-to-back yeah they both came out 2003 yeah that's
what I was gonna say I knew they came out either year after year real close to
each other like that but it's I agree like it's it's I have seen the third
movie and I do think that hearing the idea of it being cut into one move those
two being cut into one movie there is a lot I'm by the way I'm changing my
answer I'm gonna go back to I think I'm gonna go to an 82 because I know we're
gonna talk further about this but like now that we're really talking about it
like I feel like there is a lot of fat that could be cut off of this that again
like I am very nostalgic for this movie and this trilogy as a whole like I will
this will always be my favorite group of movies like it's the movies I would
watch forever but you're not wrong yeah I think one of the big things that they
could have cut out was the the weird not being able to spend time with each other
relationship with Neo and Trinity or flesh it out in a different way like it
was very straight it was like I get it but like we didn't there was no point
to the boning down scene like we didn't that wasn't like because I mean if you
wanted to say like okay well this was where this was where the actual the
actual one was born like we thought it was the we thought Neo was the one but
actually it's this kid but no none of that jeez I feel like that scene was
just like it just in case you guys didn't realize this is supposed to be an
orgy hey listen they were all wearing clothes they were just very see-through
and everyone was just mysteriously wet and like doing that thing where they
like flick their head back you know in the water just comes out yeah yeah that
shit was weird yeah listen this movie gets really with like I the actual weird
stuff about it like getting more towards like the middle in the end like once
they start basically once the weird stuff starts happening like with Bane
and then it's like really at the end of the movie with Neo and kind of what they
start to explain through the architect and through the Oracle and even a little
bit through the key maker like that's why like I don't know even still it's
hard to give bring it down to what I brought it down to like you're I'll keep
it where I got it because you're right but I I think that the bad in this was
definitely bad but the good like I would like to see if there is someone that
will is willing to or has made that cut where they have cut the fat out of this
movie I would like to see that version I think one of my big issues agreed with
this like overall at least once it got to like the meat of the story was it was
kind of hard to at least for me to kind of figure out what their ultimate goal
was well he didn't know I mean if you think like when he goes to talk to the
Oracle he straight up is like I I'm the one but what do I do now which is kind
of you know to me is the idea of like you know you you have this one goal in
mind like in life and then you get there and you know then what you know I mean
like oh I've reached the top of the mountain that I set for myself now what
do I do like I'm here I don't know I just go around fight crime or what I
could fly now I don't know like yeah I think that's what might have thrown me
off like I think no one knowing what they were doing really threw it off I
feel like at least Morpheus should have known and maybe just like withheld that
information from Neo and then just like do a little bit of an exposition dump
like right before he's going into to meet the architect it was just like I
like I had such a hard time finding the motivation behind getting to the the
source right I think it's that I think in my mind anyway it came instead of
coming as a dump it came in drips and maybe that's what that was part of like
what made the movie so slow is because it started with the Oracle because he's
at he just comes to her like I don't know what to do what do I do and she
straight-up tells him you know I mean she's like you got you this is where
we're at this is where you need to be you need to go back to the source like
you that that is that is your goal your new goal now is the source and you're
the first step in in bringing yourself to the source is finding the
Merovingian slash the key or finding the key maker and you can only find the
key maker through the Merovingian and it kind of keeps going from there because I
mean if you look look at what happens right after that like he basically is
fighting he's fighting his demons he's fighting off his demons because now
he's got this this basically other part of him because they are linked now
because he not only like knows when Smith is around like he knows when agents
are around so he's I don't know like it's this I'm so afraid for you to watch
the third movie because you're either gonna just love everything or hate
everything because I just it's like such a big concept that they're trying to
convey in this weird way that I barely understand and I don't know man like
help me someone help me like what did you think about it overall Vic I mean
for me this was a movie that I I remember like as a kid changing this one
and enjoying it more so than the first but I think I think now yeah just this
feels like the slow one of the slower ones and it's kind of hard for me
understand why I even as a kid like liked it more I don't know I think I
think cuz I don't know it just for me I watching it now it's just yeah it's a I
don't know I just couldn't I couldn't I couldn't get into it the way I used to
anymore something about this this movie it's hard it was hard for me to like
pinpoint it but I mean I just I know I like the story you know I like where it
leads us to and which is closer to the end I guess not to like make that sound
awful that's not really that's that bad sorry DJ I don't know one of your
favorite movies but no no I feel like the concept of this movie was really
good it was execution that kind of so yeah so I think that's why people hold
it in such high esteem well it's a thing too I think of like it's like they had
more time they had more money they want it to obviously go more philosophical or
lean more into the philosophical side of what they were trying to do and part of
that was like here's the problem I think is because what one thing that I noticed
about this movie is that they definitely tried to give you a lot of context
through these conversations that he was having with the Oracle with the
Merovingian with the key master even or the key maker even though the keymaker
didn't say much I would argue that what the keymaker had to say to him and he
said to the keymaker were probably some of like how they should have treated
the rest of the conversations that were had because even like with him and the
architect like the problem with watching someone try and write deep in-depth
conversations is that Quentin Tarantino exists and I'm not saying he's the best
at writing like conversations but what I am saying is that when you have a
director known for writing amazing conversations that people like still
talk about today vis-a-vis reservoir dogs I think it's very hard to be like all
right now what I'm gonna do is what that guy does amazingly hi we're the
Wachowskis and we're on a mission yeah it's so I feel like it's so hard to
reach that Tarantino level of dialogue yeah absolutely like I don't know like I
wish I knew a little bit more how the like the inner workings of like movie
making but when it comes to like like writing I would try and get with
whoever like whatever aspects I really like about other directors I would try
to like grab some of their pieces so like if I wanted Tarantino level
dialogue I'd go to frickin Tarantino or one of the writers that he uses often
yeah yeah I like there's no way in hell that I would try doing that by myself
like I feel like that was that's just a super high bar like how do you even get
close to reaching that well that's the thing is like that is what this movie
clearly wanted to rely heavily on was getting points across through
conversation and I mean I I feel like they did a good job only because I was
like super on board you know I mean like I am like I am like my brain is wide
open I'm like yeah give me all the juice tell me about the werewolves let's go
and yeah but the reality is is like it doesn't I've said it too much already
but like it doesn't hold it's more nostalgic in my brain than it is
actually actually held up throughout all these years yeah getting sad guys no but
I'm with I'm with you like I like I said it's on a second on another watch not I
can't not second but you know on another watch at least as an adult versus I had
like versus like my childhood side of my brain like there's definitely that
nostalgia there so going in like oh I'm so ready I you know I'm enjoying this
movie like then you kind of go in and you're like oh there's there's problems
there's some issues here worse than getting your like your childhood
nostalgia just crushed I think that like one of the big things with watching
things with nostalgia goggles is like how old were you when you went to see
see this movie or when you saw it for like the first time let me see I was 19
or 20 all right what about you crash let's see this is 2003 jeez I had to be
about like almost 10 years old so I think with with that because like I I
feel like I've watched this before but I would like again I was like really young
I was still in high school like I'd say it was maybe 14 15 when you saw it first
time yeah I the only one I'm not a hundred percent sure I've watched is
the is revolutions but I pretty sure I've watched watched this one before but
yeah I remember liking it a lot too but I also feel like like trying to think of
what I liked about it I think it was just all the action like all the action
I was I was on board for like oh this is super cool like this concept is really
cool I wasn't really digesting all the intricacies of this movie like I am now
as an adult right that's the that's the other part is like watching it that
young that's the one thing that's gonna you know grab your attention is all the
fight scenes and the action and everything that you know I remember now
you know as a kid like watching movies like this and it's like kind of not
really paying attention to what the hell's going on or being said you're
just waiting for the fist to get thrown you know what I mean you want to you
want to see people catching some hands and you know watching it now as an
adult like yeah like I said it's just it's different yeah and then go into the
weird dance scene you're just like oh like that catches your attention as a
young young adult I think that's sure to see through and your eyeballs pop out
your head should I be watching this probably not but I'm going to mmm I
wasn't gonna say well that was the thing too is I'm probably wrong about this but
like I I don't know that there were like a plethora of like big action set piece
movies like that like for sure no one had ever even conceived of like having a
fight along a highway on top of a semi truck like that was amazing like I
remember like it was stuff like that like this Sarah fight at the very
beginning whenever he was going to meet the Oracle like even though some of the
stuff even with Trinity at the very very beginning like even though like watching
it now you're like Jesus God it takes forever like this they're a fight like
it's not it just looks cool like there's not really much happening if you really
look at it but like there wasn't a lot of stuff like you were I remember when
like we I felt lucky when like a new Jackie Chan movie would come out cuz I'm
like finally I'm gonna get to see some like cool like jumping around and kicking
and doing awesome stuff and this movie was in my mind anyway kind of like an
extension of that because you got to see all this really cool stuff that like
didn't seem because there were action movies I'm sure but not to that level I
don't feel like yeah yeah I could be wrong I'm sure someone is like dude last
action hero came out in 2003 you're an idiot yeah I think yeah I think it was
just motivations were were difficult like I understood the motivations beat
with the people of Zion and them being like hey we need to face this this
machine threat and I was all on board for that I was having such a hard time
being on Morpheus's team for like cuz it like I didn't under like I still have a
hard time understanding like is he trying to shut down those machines like
what's the ultimate goal by the way you reminded me one of the other really good
it was short and I think that was one of the things good about it the other good
conversation that Neo had was with one that councilman when they ended up going
down and looking at the engineering section and he said probably one of the
most important things in the movie he was like you know he was talking about
the difference between them and those machines that kept them alive and you
know we could just do the differences we can we control them we can destroy them
and his point was you know can you because if we destroy these then where
is our clean water where is our clean air where is our well they're close to
the center of the earth so their heat is still gonna be there but like there is
this weird like symbiotic relationship that by the way it goes all the way
through to when he talks to the architect by the way because the even
when he's talking to the architect you know and the architect is giving him
that basically the ultimatum of like save save Trinity and doom humanity or
doom Zion and start again so that humanity can live like he Neo mentions
to him he's like oh well you know maybe I will just kill everybody and he's like
we have we have measures that we would we would be willing to stoop to like
that people talk about the architect conversation about being like you know
one of the high points of the movie I think that point kind of makes it one of
the dumber ones only because Neo just kind of brushes that off of like okay
well I guess they would just do what they had to do and not use humans what
like we saw one of the things we saw in the first movies was the fields and
fields and field of people that were fueling the machines like the the
architect there in theory should be super worried either that or the
architect should either be worried that he is going to do that and possibly kill
those fields and fields of people out there or maybe it's not exactly what it
seems like maybe maybe there is gonna be a similar outcome no matter what he does
I don't know like I was just thinking about that watching the when I was
watching the movie today I was super confused with the screens behind Neo
the ones like showing all like the different reactions of him like some
that were getting angry and like were those the like replaying the different
iterations of him or was that just like all of the possible outcomes of like I
had like what was what was up with that that's yeah well I don't know I'm sure
there's a piece of trivia out there that tells the real answer because it's not
you can't tell by what the architect is showing on those screens because like
if you look like initially he's showing it looks like basically just like B roll
footage of the first matrix at first when he's like we've been watching you
this whole time because you see him like in the interrogation room with Smith you
see him like on the side of the building like you see all these different these
different things that were happening to him which it seems well I don't know but
I feel like if I had to guess I would say it is all the different iterations of
him and even though there were only five like I mean could you really
differentiate more than like two or three things that were said by the other
Neos you know what I mean because like it was it was just a cacophony of all
these people or all these Neo's talking at once and I don't think you could
really pick out more than like if you could pick out a handful I'd be
surprised yeah I think it was just with the ones that got like super angry or
were reacting very emotionally and like our Neo was like very cool-headed the
entire time so it was it was like that's I think that was like a big thing like
it like I said motivations were just confusing like when they went to go to
the the Merovingian like I don't understand that like like there was so
much about that interaction I didn't understand like my biggest the biggest
thing was like I I feel like I understood why the wife was betraying
him because she was like super pissed off that he's been doing whatever the
hell he's he's doing but the fact that she went into this room with the guards
killed one of them and then let the other one escape to like with the sole
purpose of telling her husband like why would you like why was that a thing like
or was that just because we needed another fight scene I think that and
like they all of those like rogue programs seem to be like agents of chaos
because if you look like the Oracle like she she's calm but she is an agent of
chaos like she literally had a place in the first matrix where people went to
find out if they were the one you know what I mean and like the architect later
calls her the mother of the matrix but she even said she even says she's like
my only my like she's not even really interested in Neo or the humans or
whatever she's interested in the future like she says that when she's talking to
him and I think that Persephone and the Merovingian like they the Merovingian
says it but you can only imagine Persephone he's been with him just as
long as they've seen at least a few of the iterations of the one and survived
through it and I've got to imagine it's like you know you know how you see
sometimes like rich people portrayed as like they have so much excess they just
do things just for the sake of doing them not for no other reason than they're
just being ridiculous and difficult like they they kind of struck me as that is
like they've done everything they've seen everything and now they're just I
think she said it too they both said it to each other as she was she was leaving
the room talking he said to her he's like because she was busting his balls
about going with that girl in the bathroom telling her it was just a game
and he's like why would you do this to me and she's like it's just a game
darling and just walks out I think that that little exchange tells exactly why
that happened like they are just screwing with each other plus we needed
bullets to all stop in midair in front you know that's exactly what I thought
all right I think we can easily move on over to writing so the final story great
or score it came to an 80 okay okay with that yeah so talking about writing I
actually boosted my I went up from story a little bit just because I did think
that there was a lot of really cool dialogue like the the conversation or
not the conversation the the big speech that Morpheus Morpheus had was dude was
sick yeah and then there was like lots of like really heartfelt or not
heartfelt um like weird feel philosophical discussions that were
had like between Neo and like the the architect and the what's his name
Merovingian and even with like the counselor dude anyway sorry I didn't mean
to cut you off no you're good you're good I like I was just kind of going off
of what you were saying you know just you know the conversations and stuff
that he's having I like I mean it's more on his on the acting too I guess but you
feel you know where there is urgency you feel it you know the concern
everything like I like just how that really it's really transparent and it
almost hand well even for the viewer kind of a lot of that I think is more
tilted towards maybe the actor I don't know but yeah I know the dialogue I I
appreciate a lot more now versus before yeah I definitely agree with you on that
I too agree yeah I mean it's like I said it I think we said it would talking
about the story like I don't think it all hit the hit the nail directly on the
head because we have such good like conversational movies that exist
because I will this is what I'll say I love I love all of these like big
conversations that they try and have and I especially do love the one with the
architect but god dang it dude that one with the architect it killed me because
that dude I'm like hey man we get it you're real smart like you're in the
room okay like if you say ergo one more time I'm gonna come through this screen
and rip your beard off your face you freaking Colonel Sanders looking one
person I didn't understand like why they had this character in it all like well
what's up with the kid which kid the one that's like obsessed with Neo yeah I
mean because to me it's this thing of like the the furthering of this like cult
thing of like you know you just have I was thinking that yeah you know you've I
was just gonna go ahead no no no you're probably gonna say it better than I can
I was gonna say that the or Morpheus has been promising that Jesus was gonna
come back forever and then Jesus came back and now you have people I mean he
is I think he is supposed to be like the the analog for all the people that are
now willing to basically put their lives on the line for him like and you get to
see that in kind of a broader way whenever they get up to you know to going
to their room and then the there's everyone they're waiting to like make
their I mean sacrifice is the wrong word but what's the the what's it called why
can't I think of the word when you are your their offerings martyrdom
and that's that's for later like the Matrix 3 like offerings like a
sacrifice like not that it's it's a more sacrificial what's the if there's a
religious word it's right on the tip of my tongue it's a frick I don't know but
offering to me is it's a good enough replacement it's like this is them
being like this is all I mean clearly everyone has basically nothing and they
are coming here to be like this is the best of what we have I've kind of like
like what was it called when they would give like when the people would go and
they would bring like the the firstborn lamb or like the the best part of the
harvest or whatever to make their sacrifice or offering or there's a word
I got it I mean it's gonna kill me and I'm sure someone's saying it right now
but I mean that was that was what they were doing like they were all there to
be like Jesus will you please help me like I have got yeah will you write that
letter on my door please Jesus yeah it was a yeah but I think that was it like
cuz I think whenever a savior figure comes back like you're gonna have
because by the way that kid if you went all through that big thing of Zion that
was there that kid is not the only one that was going crazy for Neo you know I
mean like he yeah don't worry though you'll see him again his his arc is
gonna pay off big time
yeah I thought like all that was so weird I'm like like this is kind of
messed up like Neo's like trying super hard to go get laid but he's like I
have to be the Savior fright for hot minute but really think about that like
think about like cuz you here's what's crazy too that the councilman said to
Neo is he's like I spent the first 11 years of my life asleep to me the
implication is that he was 11 when he got pulled out of the matrix that's what
I thought too so this has been going on for a hot minute and what would you do if
you had been living in the matrix your entire life you were 20-something
whatever you are now and people had been being like no for real like Jesus
computer Jesus is coming and you're like I'm super stoked I'm down I've read all
the literature and then he shows up and he like lives like across the street
from you like you're not just gonna be like oh what's up Jesus you're gonna be
like yo I know you dude like I know everything about you and he's gonna be
like haha yeah anyway if I could just not do this right now they'd be cool man
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were talking about the story but I will say like I guess that was more
appropriate for the writing like I do feel like they paid a lot of stuff off
early some things off in this movie and that were from the first movie IE Zion
and really really seeing Morpheus go full tilt and see that he's not just some
like lone he's not just some lone guy that like broke off from the the rest of
Zion like people are down to clown with that dude but has Morpheus in the first
one has he been to Zion before yeah dude especially if this has only been six
months since Neo has come come into the real world dude you don't get a
reception like that you don't get you don't get the council being like hey
crazy person why don't we have you calm the people down nope they're like
clearly all on board and that's why the way like Locke I feel like does not get
enough love like the character of him is great but the guy playing him was
perfect because like this dude was clearly like fully sold on like Morpheus
is crazy Neo is nobody we're all gonna die because these morons are going to
like try and use the force against machines
dude I loved when his wife volunteered for the Morpheus mission I don't think
that's his wife I think they are just like I don't know because they said
the way that they explained it was they said it I can't remember who they think
they said it to Neo of like she used to be with Morpheus and now she's with Locke
so I don't listen I could just be going full crazy and be like maybe they just
don't have the concept of marriage there but I don't know I don't I think either
way is probably safe to say that was great though he's like what are you
doing I'm taking the place of my husband Will Smith who was supposed to be the
one yeah I thought that was like super funny like I love how he thought he
thinks that everyone's on his side until they prove that he's that they're not
why is everyone stupid but me
by the way that is everyone he's just like what the shit I could be ruining my
credibility right now but I'm pretty sure that's true though the Will Smith
thing like I'm pretty sure he either like turned down or was unable to do the
matrix because I think he was one if he wasn't the one he was one of the first
ones that they were like hey you want to come be part of this here a matrix movie
well that's super cool so hilarious that Jada Pinkett got to show up and be like
that's alright I got you oh by the way I realized her name is last name is Pinkett
Smith and I just talked about her like her name was Jada Pinkett like that was
their first name also Pinkett is a very strange last name just saying do we give
our scores for writing we did did I I didn't know what were your guys's again
I gave the writing a 78 just like a slight bump just cuz I feel like they're
still I still feel like there's a decent amount of issues Vic gave it a 92 yeah I
think that yeah this is for the writing yeah yeah trying to look and see that
that's right well I have to beat Vic so I'm doing 93 all right next up we got
acting so we have I'll just do like the main people we got Keanu Reeves who
played Neo Lawrence Fishburne who played Morpheus
Carrie Anne Moss played Trinity Hugo weaving who played Smith Jada Pinkett
Smith who played Naomi I mean if you're gonna add Jada Pinkett Smith you might
as well add the dude that played link because I have something to say about
him yeah Harold go ahead I looked up his name earlier and was like what how is
that a word dude I knew I recognized him from somewhere I just had no idea from
where what was it cuz I looked him up to what was it I know there's something
that we all know that he was in what was it say it it was it's right dang it
IMDB save me by the way there was some good trivia on IMDB for the matrix
reloaded as well link by the way I just tell you on IMDB they did it in like
alphabetical order like hey man just put the stars at the top I don't need the
guy that played werewolf 2 dude dude dude dude dude dude dude dude you've been in a
lot of TV shows there was something specific though that he was in that I
was like oh yeah I know that guy oh Romeo and Juliet he was at Marcuseo and
Romeo and Juliet the movie with Leonardo DiCaprio that is why I was like oh as
soon as I saw that I recognized him immediately I know I'm talking to the
wrong crowd to have seen the Leonardo DiCaprio Romeo and Juliet movie by the
way can I just tell you that is one that I would highly suggest I would love to
see your guy either of you or both your opinions of that movie because I
remember it being really good like better than I imagined it to be geez I
mean wait when did that one come out that movie came out in 1996 starring
Leonardo DiCaprio and Claire Danes by the way also John Leguizamo was in that
movie and John Leguizamo is one of my favorite people on this earth depending
when that has mentioned that one yeah depending when that came out I was a
few months old I was gonna say a fetus what
by the way while we're waiting for this do you know Sean Connery initially was
gonna play the architect but he read he read the script and was like I don't get
it and the funny part about that is he mentioned that in an interview while he
was being interviewed about the movie the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen I
did see that those movies came out really close together I will say I think
he made the right call this was a very confusing script yeah yeah anyway who
by the way like let me hold on let me ask you this because this is crazy I
can't imagine this even how long do you think it took to film I don't know if
you know how long it takes to film things but how long do you think it took
to film just the highway chase probably took a few weeks do you have a guess
crash I would I would say I'm kind of in that same boat it took three months to
shoot that holy balls oh longer than many films entire shooting schedule
that's what this is that is bananas to me was this like one of the first highway
fight scenes I don't know see the at least one of this magnitude for sure I
mean and to me it's that's what's crazy to me I know we're gonna get into that
in effects but like that's what's crazy to me about like the care put into that
scene or that whole sequence but then you have the the many Smiths coming and
there is like just a spoiler for my effects rating like there is there is a
clear moment where it goes from like this is really awesome to like oh this
is a cool video game trailer because it is not any of the real people anymore
all right so like we do with most acting casts who is your your top three because
mine is very different from the first matrix
Vic are you there I'm here I'm here you guys can you hear me yeah we just had a
freak out moment it's like Caleb's eyes getting very big that's how I knew there
was a problem and DJ kicked me off somehow with no administrator privileges
I was all right yeah top three people that yeah like out of the entire cast
I'll start off with mine just to see if you guys are lined up with me at all I
doubt it so my I'll go one two three my number one is actually gonna be Trinity
played by Carrie Anne Moss I thought she was one of the best parts of this movie
like obviously like my my acting score was still like pretty low I'm sitting at
a 76 but I think out of everyone I think she did the more believable job yeah
then my number two would actually go to Morpheus played by Laurence Fishburne and
I think his acting just kind of got worse throughout and then my my number
three would be Neo is that after sir and it's a kind of by default I mean are we
just picking out of those three or can we pick anybody you can pick anyone Vic
unless you have something I have some no particular orders well for me I would
say I'm with I'm with Caleb on Carrie and moss I don't know I I appreciated her
acting a lot more here than you know when you look at the group as a whole
number two would go to Hugo weaving I just like his acting that guy and and
you know what I had a I had a math teacher my senior year of high school
looks just like the guy so it's just like I don't know I'm like yeah I got to
give him I got to give him that just for just cuz that teacher but yeah I'd say
Hugo weaving number three I would go to Laurence Fishburne just no man that
speech just just got me yeah the speech was amazing I would go it's funny because
I don't think I would I think Morpheus would be Laurence Fishburne would be the
only main character that I would give it to because my listen my guilty pleasure
favorite is the mirror Vigion like I love that guy a because he's I love him
because he's such a douche but he really gives like kind of the only laugh in
that movie cuz at right after Neo defeats everybody he's just like woman
you won't be the death of me it just leaves out of the door and I just I
don't know I got a real laugh out of that and I like that a lot and god I
don't want to also pick Hugo weaving just to give it some diversity but Hugo
weaving is a he is an honorable mention because Hugo weaving is amazing like I
it's it's a travesty he's not in every movie but I'm trying to think I don't
know I honestly I think just because we don't get to see her again probably the
Oracle because she played that that role so well like and it was just you know it
was always very like one-off understated I don't know I just like her like she
was that if there was any role that was perfectly cast I know people say you
know Keanu Reeves is perfect for the one but I think she if there was a
number one perfect cast it was her being the Oracle so I would say that lady
whatever her name was old what's-her-name I liked her a lot yeah she did a really
good job and I'll be 100% real I completely forgot about Hugo weaving so
he's actually gonna take my number two spot
by the way she died she got she finished all of her like barely finished all of
her scenes for this movie and died right basically right after and that's why we
well spoiler alert for you Caleb but the what's-her-face the Oracle is gonna
take on a new form in the next movie that sucks I mean it sucks because it's
not like it was something contractual like I heard a rumor that that's why
tank was not in this movie and then it ended up being link instead because you
know how tank and dozer dozer dies at the end and tank presumably lives like
because he gets back up and he kills cipher but I don't know this for sure I
just heard this I heard this through the grapevine is that there was there were
just contract issues and he wasn't gonna get paid what he wanted to and they were
basically like yeah we don't need you we'll get somebody else good for him I
appreciate actors taking a stand like that it sucks because I do too and I
want people to get paid what they're worth for the thing that they're doing
but like I the guy that did link is fine but I would way much more have had tank
in there than this dude link because by the way speaking of story stuff like that
was a part of the story that like tank would have helped us not need which was
the you know the the couple of moments that Morpheus needlessly had with this
guy to be like hey man you got to trust me dude like I'm in charge here and if
you don't trust me then what do we even have here and then we had the one slight
callback to it when links like hey I think this is a dangerous mission he's
like what I tell you he's like I trust you fully anyway we're hacking into the
matrix again I don't know man Morpheus already had his acolytes and I think
they should have just paid the man get get tank back yeah um yeah any other
acting notes you guys have other than it's just kind of being like I like
link but he was terrible like he was so I was I could have dealt with no link at
all I think they tried really hard to make us care about him with his
his luck charm and his wife yeah I didn't really like how he came in and
who and he came back home and was entering his living space and then like
froze when he saw kids were in there where's my oh hello everyone I think his
two is just like trying too hard to like get you to like a character that you
know what I mean that's not of the main you know your main cast is just yeah
all right DJ what's your score for for acting oh yeah I definitely did not give
that huh acting who I'm gonna have to give that probably an 80 I think that's
being charitable all right and that brings our acting grade to a seventy seven point
six can't argue can't argue especially after what we're gonna talk about next
yeah next up we got character development well I'm gonna get by the way I'll just
start with it and say I'm gonna give this one an 80 but I begrudgingly give
this I this is good this is my charitable this is my charity that I'm
giving to this because I have not seen such a little character development like
there was there was no character development at all for Neo until
literally literally the last thing he did he well I said the second to last
thing he did he did his thing I force ghost you and then he passed out and
then that was that was his arc is that he brought the matrix to the real world
and more feet I actually liked more of his I think I know you said you thought
he got worse his time went on I felt like we got to watch a man slowly
realize everything that he believed in like to the core of his being was not
only wrong but it was a manipulation that he bought into like hook line and
sinker like seeing that last scene when he explained it to Morpheus what was
going on and what he talked about with the architect like my heart broke for
him because you saw him like you you could see in his face like his brain
break like he was just like this can't be like this cannot be and when he's
like you said it yourself he's like if the prophecy was true like why isn't the
war over right now and like oh my god dude like that killed me and I feel like
everything was slowly leading up to that because he was just you see him in in
Zion he gets the frickin the crowd goes wild for the man he keeps going up and
up he has that he has that moment where they're going to meet the mirror of
Indian he's as cocky as he ever is because they're like oh what do we do
wrong and he's like we did everything exactly as it was supposed to be and
then the doors open and Persephone's there like he is like we did it I am
right look at how right I am there was something I wrote down wait this was
good because there was he did the thing you're never supposed to do maybe I
didn't write it down he did the thing you're never supposed to do which is
like put a timetable on something like all call all bad cult leaders are like
on this date and time this is when the thing is gonna happen and he did that by
basically saying like once neo does this we we good and then once that didn't I
was like oh no like everyone watching this movie movie for the first time
should know like he is about to like take a hard fall and he did other people
talk now ending like with Morpheus kind of breaking yeah like yeah breaking I
I feel like I thought Neo was lying like was Neil lying to him well you know
what I've made the other choice and like the other choice it kind of would have
been what Morpheus wanted to happen right well no what but what Morpheus
wanted to have Morpheus did not know like that's that I that I think was more
his point is that Morpheus didn't really like yes the war would have stopped but
what Morpheus didn't understand about that is that the war would have stopped
because Zion would have been abolished or whatever just destroyed out of the
middle of the planet and then Neo would get to handpick the next 16 people that
were what was it it was was it 16 women and seven men something like that that
how whatever the number was like he was gonna get to handpick them and he was
going to be the the one that freed these this this next generation of people that
were getting freed from the matrix because that's what he says that's what
the architect says to him he's like there's always that 1% of the
population that just does not even though they have that subconscious choice they
just do not accept what the matrix is and then he talks about how Neo is the
the remainder of this this problem that has been happening over and over so he
is he's basically sorry your hand guy I looked up and saw your hand and thought
spider for a second and was like what has happened oh my god Neo just took the
children but like that's that is the thing is like and by the way that is
where like Morpheus buying whole hog into what the Oracle said really came to
like bite him and like the Oracle never made any promises to him like if he ever
got to speak to the Oracle again was like yo what is going on she would give
him the you know the Oracle jargon that she gives and you know we already kind
of got the answer to any question that Morpheus would have for the Oracle about
hey I didn't know it would be like this she'd be like I'm not interested in you
living I'm interested in what the future holds and that's all I was ever
interested in so I don't know like it's it's again you have to want to connect
the dots but they are there to connect I think in my opinion I will say in my
humble opinion they are there Caleb what did I give the my score you also gave
in an 80 okay that's what I thought yeah I went super low with my because I was I
feel like the movie was or the matrix kind of revolves around Neo and so I just
kind of went off of Neo and yeah his his arc really sucked and that's why I feel
like two and three could easily be combined into just one long-ass movie
like you could probably listen combine the two and make like a good three hour
movie I think you can make I think you can make the argument that one and two
could be cut into a movie into one slightly longer movie and you could
really trim some of the fat out of two but I'm now that I know you've never
seen three I am really like I am I've shielded my heart to your response to it
but I'm really interested into what as to what you think about it in particular
because you you are in a real weird position that you're gonna be able to
watch three and then go directly into four which I don't really know I've done
my best to like stay away from what four is gonna be at all but dude three is
like if you think they started leaning into the philosophical stuff in this
movie get ready my dude they are like listen if you are wondering what the
thing is we're gonna give you visual representations by the end dude I love
that stuff I freaking love like philosophical stuff and like that's why
I really do what I'm sorry I was gonna say that's why I really liked the like
some of the conversations that were had like with the the counselor and and the
architect like I really like those conversations because I feel like
there's just so much that you can take from that and it's just every other like
it was just everything else and and Neo just kind of he felt like he was just
stagnant throughout the entire movie until like the end when he unlocks this
new power within him which is confusing as shit well here's the other thing too
that's kind of weird about Neo it almost kind of makes sense especially since we
were talking about one punch man because he is kind of like at the top tier right
now like there I mean he's the literal one like that all they kind of painted
themselves to a corner about this maybe with being the one and having like it
follow him more than like trying to get back to the source because I can't well
now I'm gonna spoil three but yeah it's I don't know man like it's it's weird
I'm really glad that we're doing this cuz like now cuz it's been a while I
realized watching these movies again it's been too long since I've watched
them because I used to watch them like on a very regular basis and it's been
super long and I I really enjoy the idea of these movies being talked about in
this way and the fact that now I'm gonna be searching for different cuts of the
movie because I'm sure there are fan cuts out there somewhere probably I
would put it past anyone I mean there's a super cut of the MCU for heaven's sake
like if there's not a fan cut of the matrix I got be genuinely shocked what
was I gonna say I don't know I know the matrix has spawned off like a bunch of
cool stuff like I forgot about it until today but like they have the animatrix
which is kind of like Star Wars the Star Wars visions of its day because it was
just a bunch of like anime shorts I think was like eight or nine of them
that I think they were released like right before or right after this movie
came out which I would be like I barely remember them so I'd be interested to
at least go over those again and what was I gonna say dude did you guys ever
play the enter the matrix video game I didn't that was I know I'm sidebarring
but I will just do it for a moment that was like for a long time there were no
good Star Wars games because they always did like the force power is weird or
lightsabers wrong or whatever it is but this game freaking nailed it 100% I mean
for the time I'm sure if you played it now you'd be like this is trash garbage
but like knowing that nothing like that ever had ever come out before like it
was a it was a great great I love that game sorry since no one's played it I'm
just talking about nothing anyway dude I feel like there's there's a game
franchise that that's come out that I feel is a complete another knockoff of
the matrix you're talking about Assassin's Creed maybe no not at the
same time what is it Oh Saints Row dude Saints but Saints Row like leans into it
though like they like I think I remember cuz I it's funny cuz they it just went
on sale on the switch Saints Row 3 did a little while ago and I bought it and it
came with all the DLC and one of the DLC was enter the dominatrix so yeah they
they are this to me it feels like a loving nod more than like a ripoff okay
that's fair I was wondering that from like cuz I'm not the the biggest major
like I really like the matrix but I'm not like a diehard but I've always wanted
to call it all good sorry I've always wondered if like matrix fans hated that
that franchise I think it's weird if there I've never met and I don't even
know if I would call myself a diehard matrix fan like I don't know if there
is such a thing just because there isn't like there isn't really a lot
surrounding it you know what I mean like there are the movies there's the
animatrix there's the game if you want to go buy a PlayStation 2 and I'm sure
there's comics but like I mean it's not it's weird because it stayed popular for
so long but like it's clearly not a Star Wars it's not a it's not a you know an
MCU like it's not I don't know maybe that's one of the reasons why I have
such hard nostalgia for it is because it was like it did the work of like all
those MCU movies in three in the sense that like no it was clearly not as good
as the arc of the MCU but like at the time there weren't they're just if there
were movies that were like that that were that big and that were you know
especially what a trilogy where the last two movies come out in the same year
like it just wasn't that wasn't a thing really so it was just fact that it stood
the test of time even to now is I think says a lot about the that group of movies
yeah all right any since I think we're just all itching to get into it into
effects so character development came to a 75 yeah that's that feels right
yeah yeah now getting into effects where are we sitting boys I mean it really you
know mine already so I want to hear your guys's because like I really only have I
really only have one effects problem it's giant but I only have one all right
so just so since we don't have your score yet DJ the our average score is 75
wait wait is one higher and mine is one lower I'm going honestly can I just tell
you I okay mate I like it ready one two three go one seven three and now 79 79
79 and by the way I feel like the really the worst there were only two really bad
moments one was really bad and one was momentarily bad the first bad one was
when he started to fly and he went up in the clouds and you're like all right come
on like you're clearly one of those windsock people that goes in front of a
car dealership and then the the by the way I was waiting for the moment because
I was like this Smith fight doesn't look so bad it doesn't look as bad as I
remember and then he pulls the bar out of the ground and he hits him and breaks
the concrete off on him and that's the last real thing that happened because
everything after that was bananas I was like are you watching this watching the
bodies fly and stuff is just amazing like someone listen because I did cheat
a little bit because I needed to juice myself for this as well so I listened to
I listened to a podcast that actually weirdly enough just came out a couple
days ago about the matrix reloaded and one thing that they they clued me off to
that I forgot about but I noticed when I watched the movie right near the end of
that fight if you look he grabs a Smith that comes at him he throws it at a
bunch of other Smiths and then he takes off flying okay right before he takes
off flying do you know what the sound effect is bowling pins falling over I
really wish that I had the ability to use a notepad in that moment because I
wanted to write that I feel like there was like so many yeah sound effects like
that like not only just like bowling pins I feel like there was like others
that was the most to me egregious one because I was like what are we doing
here like what is this movie now like it almost seemed like they had like someone
guest direct that part and they were like this is a comic book movie right
we'll just put some bowling pins in there oh my gosh that's the equivalent
of like the whim Wilhelm scream dude it was so fun I mean and by the way again
up until it went CG crazy like that fight was awesome because one of the
things I I said this about Black Widow and I'll say it about this too is when
there is a gang of people trying to fight one person and they do the like
one at a time fighting like everybody hates that and I think Black Widow did
that well because they had that scene up in the up in the red room or whatever
the place is called and they you know everyone was coming at her at once and
it was like that here like you have a Smith holding him back while two other
ones are punching him in the face and like they're going crazy and like the
fight looked amazing and god dang though but that freaking that 2003
PlayStation one game they started playing it was crazy basically what it
turned into they just filmed somebody playing the game is all that's all I mean
listen that also goes to show that like dark the dark when you're doing special
effects really hides a lot of sin because I think that the machines still
looks pretty good I think that you know Zion was like non-descript but like
clearly that was not supposed to be like a big huge set piece other than you were
supposed to see like there's a lot of people here anyway so I none of it look
you it didn't dwell on anything else long enough for it to look super bad so
that's why I can justify giving it a 79 but it just doesn't quite hit the 80
cuz God it's just so bad yeah that was once it got to that point it was like
super rough and like yeah when he was flying around I was like one step above
like Superman and 64 one thing I did think was cool even though it did look
kind of cheesy I really liked the the twins the ghosts and the cool thing that
they did the coolest thing that they did was whenever they were trying to go
after the key maker and he phased through and then like became corporeal
right in the back seat and was like I got him like that was awesome like they
looked cheesy of course but like it was for having like ghosts in the matrix
like I think that was pretty awesome yeah yeah I actually boosted my score
because of that because I thought that was like really creative yes with
everything that they did and the way that they were able to pull that off it
looked really good like I thought they could have done some crazy shit with
with them becoming intangible and like I mean now you could probably do it where
it's like you could do like a punch through someone or like they just fly
through someone and rip out an organ or some shit like that but that might have
been a tad too gruesome well by the way if you notice there was a very very very
very very little blood in this movie because if you see whenever they're
going to get the key master like dude I mean I was so here's a weird thing I was
listening to it because I was watching on my phone I was listening to it
through my Bluetooth headphones their earbuds and two things about that that
fight with the mirror of Minji and sends everybody after him one with as many
knife sounds as he as I heard everyone should have been sliced into a thousand
pieces like individually and you saw like almost no blood in that but two one
thing I realized in that scene in particular like every time that he would
like move the sigh and hit something it would make the noise but then it would
make it again right after like they were putting extra like ching ching ching
like just extra noises in and I'm like are they cheating like is this actually
going as fast as it seems like or are they just putting so many noises in there
that it seems like it by the way is there do you have one for music by the
way this I would say this is what I'm gonna tell you is not music this is more
like an audio thing that I noticed because again wearing headphones it's
weird that it was actually kind of a bit of a cooler experience using headphones
because when they first at the very beginning because you think you're in
the matrix but you're just seeing Neo's vision of the future but then when they
actually go to the matrix and they're about to go to that meeting like if you
if you really pay attention you can hear and you can even see over in the left
corner you can hear the cat and it's the same cat noise from the the cat that
he's like oh deja vu like you can barely hear it but you can hear it and if you
look in the background you can see the cat which I thought was a very cool
thing that I don't know if I ever would have known because I've rewound it a
couple times I'm like did I really hear it and then I'm looking and I saw it but
I don't think I ever would have noticed that if I wasn't wearing headphones
that's crazy yeah I I tried to be as fair as humanly possible with older
movies like I went through and it was trying to compare it with like other CGI
heavy movies from that like from the same year and the only one that like
really stuck out was League of Extraordinary Gentlemen but I so I I
messed up the year that it like came out and I was looking up 2004 first and I
was going through and I'm like oh my gosh this this score is is low like
because this came out the same year as spider-man or spider-man 2 this came at
the same like there was a bunch of movies and then I like looked up the
actual year and I was like oh I'm like a year off yeah it's hard especially
like that again like I think that this is like the poster child for what can go
wrong once you get too much money because like if you look at the matrix
like that was one of the things that I loved about that movie is that they used
special effects and practical like perfectly together in my opinion and
this one they were like we have all this money why don't we why don't we make
attack of the clones we could just do that so yeah I don't know yeah so any
other effects you guys want to talk about no I kind of hit the nail on the
head all right moving on over to music so this is like technically it's audio I
just haven't changed it yet because I'm lazy but yeah so anything music related
anything audio related which like we said probably includes that bowling pins
thing and the excessive use of size clanging oh wait I'll still give it a 90
because it sounded matrix you know what I mean like matrix clearly has a vibe
the fact that the fact that at the end of the movie they have this big this big
like oh my god it's Bane in there with him just go right into rage against the
machine like I love how ridiculous that is like they have this this big serious
moment and then they bust into rage against the machine like it's I like I
I think the matrix music is iconic so I would say I would say it's a 90 so good
for bowling pins nine okay nine I just I can't win today no you're good yeah I
was a 9.0 yeah so we're we're averaging out now with your score we're averaging
out an eight for for that what did you guys give it yeah they gave it an eight I
gave it a seven and just because I didn't like I had a dock for the damn
bowling pins and I didn't catch like the excessive clanging but I did kind of
dock for the soundtrack because it was very I feel like it aged like really
heavily with the weird techno music that they were doing I mean I don't know
maybe I'm confused but like I all I wrote I mean I definitely remember the
techno scene come on but like I just always whenever I maybe it's just my own
headcanon but like every time I think of anything that happens in the matrix I
just think of that swelling like brass you know what I mean and I I don't know
maybe that's not what's actually happening but that's how I always hear
it in my head yeah I mean the the matrix score itself is really good but I'm just
taking everything else into consideration too and techno music kind
of sucks how dare you techno music was all the rage in 2003 that's what that's
exactly why I docked it you know I heard a good point though is like what we're
really hearing is like the Wachowski's like we're seeing what they liked like I
feel like especially with that rave scene where they were like this is what
this is just for us I feel like someone else that kind of does I feel like he
does tries to do it a little bit better but James Gunn anytime he chooses a
soundtrack like if he choose when he chooses a soundtrack at least when it
came to like Guardians of the Galaxy he like he said that he tries to choose
songs and and music that that character would like and then like like when it
came to like volume one and volume two like of those soundtracks like the
awesome mix he said he I was choosing songs that Peter's mom would have liked I
think that one thing I like about James Gunn is I feel like he he I don't know
this obviously but I feel like he toils over that because it's like in my mind
because he usually picks thing picks music that pairs like perfectly not just
with the movie as a whole but with like the scene that's happening so it's it
seems to be like oddly perfect when he puts music in so I mean as far as he's
he is to music in movies as Quentin Tarantino is to conversations in movies
to bring it all back around yeah absolutely agreed on that IE the
original Suicide Squad when everybody was like what is this trash why are you
doing this stop doing this to me total side note I would love to see James Gunn
try and take on the matrix dude that would be amazing well I feel like he
well I don't know cuz now I'm thinking of like the what was it the Wilco Bill co
project Belko project did you guys see that movie oh my god please do
yourselves a favor I'm not gonna tell you anything else just watch that movie
as soon as you can please what's it called I'm pretty sure it's called the
Belko project or the Belko experiment it's a bill god dang it oh yeah BELKO
the Belko experiment I don't know you know what he might have he did not
direct that movie but he wrote it and yeah it's very good let's see if the
synopsis gives it away and a twisted social experiment no I'm just gonna let
you just watch the movie don't find any don't don't look don't find don't look
in a trailer don't do anything just the blind watch go on a blind watch yeah I
would love to know the the blind reaction to that movie yeah anything else
music wise that you guys wanna know all right like I said we're sitting at an
eight with music now moving on over to costumes dude I don't know how they
dropped so significantly from the first one why was why was Neil wearing a
dress the entire time how dare you that was a duster it was just made of
alligator leather that's all yeah I mean clear again this was a the thing they
were saying that I heard somebody saying to is like clearly the Wachowskis had a
style that they were into and they were like there will be no diversity
everyone will dress in the heaviest of leathers and I mean they were pretty
diverse in there the types of leather like Morpheus was wearing like
alligator skin yeah Trinity was wearing just the all types of shapely leather it
was I mean listen they were oh you know what the god dang it I cannot believe I
forgot to mention this this probably should have said this way earlier but
this could go with costumes too I was thinking about because you remember
when they said when Trinity was like I thought you said never to go on the
freeway and he's like you know it's suicide and he's like well I hope I'm
wrong it dawned on me I don't know if this is what the actual intention was
but it dawned on me while they were on the freeway that that is like that was
supposed to be like the normie internet and like really what we've been seeing
this whole time is like people dealing in the matrix version of the dark web
like that's all we've really ever seen this whole time and then because if you
look during that whole chase like the one thing that's crazy that's happening
is that cars aren't just going hey man this is nuts and splitting off and just
pulling off the road like everyone's just driving like normal and to me this
is like we are looking at the the normie internet like that was our that was like
oh I went on to AOL and I went into a chat room like that's where they were
for a while and that's why that's suicide because I would imagine it's
that much easier to find them there and maybe they dressed the way they dressed
is because they were living in the shadows and they thought that was what
cool people that lived in the shadows would dress like so that's my that's my
one pitch for why they dress like that that is actually that's actually a
really good explanation yeah let's say that's it's like so symbolic just in the
way they dress symbolism and everything in this movie in these movies like that
explains so much but it doesn't explain why Nia was wearing a dress so no it was
a duster okay like his trench coat in the first one was super cool like it
still had like that same look I'm just like why did they have to go with the
the duster because he's the one dude do what he wants it was a very poor
decision but kudos to whoever got Carrie-Anne Moss to wear that outfit
because how you doing well that was just like a riff on what she already was
wearing right in the first movie because that seemed very similar if not almost
exactly the same dude that shit looked like it was shrink wrap to her and I
was not complaining in the slightest hilarious have you like I don't I feel
like she's aged super well I think we're gonna see that for sure in the Matrix
whatever it's called the Matrix resurrection push the rock away from the
roll the stone away after the third day that'll be the true test all right
where are you sitting that with with costumes all right I guess I have to say
it you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with an eight because of the
explanation that I gave so I feel like I pulled that so far from the depth
that that deserves to give them one an eight for that all righty well that
averages us out to an eight you're welcome the matrix reloaded all right
last up we got our own personal scores for this movie so one of you gents want
to take it first I mean I'll just I'll just throw the dynamite and say this is
getting a hundred for me because again I can under I understand what this movie
is okay I get it but I again like this is there are a couple podcasts I listened
to where they ask if you could only have three movies for the rest of your life
what would they be and it's the Matrix trilogy all day long so I I've gotta I
am compelled to give it the correct score by the way this is a personal
grade okay so this is supposed to be like neglecting right around this this
can be as bias as you as you want it what did I remind me my score for this
one Caleb you gave it an 88 yeah I I'm at 88 for this one just because again a
lot of it I think is those nostalgia goggles but then again like
appreciating more of the like appreciating the stuff outside of the
action is kind of what gets it there or keeps it right there for me does not
really go in any lower yeah I mean it really is a good movie it's one that
like I don't mind rewatching so I think yeah I think it's deserving of an 88 for
me yeah I'm on the the lower side with this one I'm down at a 72 I I did have a
really good good time watching this movie like it was it was fun but I did
catch myself kind of drifting a little bit kind of getting a little bit too I
was noticing my surroundings it was two hours and 18 minutes like it was a long
movie like I I'm glad we talked about this because it was a it did not have to
be that long yeah um in the so I like I said I watched it in VR and the the app
that I play with or that I was watching it on you can you can spawn like
popcorn and and a drink that you can like hold and if you wanted to you could
like throw and the popcorn kind of goes flying everywhere so I caught myself
doing that a couple times where I'm just like I'm just like let's get on with it
so yeah I did that a couple times and like just when I was drifting because
there's either that or fall asleep and I did not want to fall asleep so you know
what happens you fall asleep in VR yeah you wake up and lose your mind but yeah
it is just for the that reason I think there was just a lot of times where it
dragged on a little too long and that just kind of killed it for me and then
again with the super confusing story and just like not really understanding where
where everyone's coming from or where they're going which from the sound of it
and talking it out seems like they had no idea where they were going until they
got there that's the problem I think is that like it is they have this story
they want to tell and the allegory they're using is you know human
computers and they are like if they are threading the needle they're just
they're barely doing it because like I get why I actually can in my mind
understand why Neo was able to or I'm sorry I not understand but I can make
the logical leap of why Neo could like force electrocute those those squiddies
at the end because you know really what he did eventually was bring some of that
matrix code out with him because we know that the we know that part of the matrix
can come out with you and we know that you know he's he always was part of that
like whether he realized it or not is like part of what he was was matrix code
so he is just continuing that out and technically since he is code and they
those squids are connected to the matrix or whatever to the main to the source he
could do that but like again like it's such a frickin big thing that they're
trying to do and it's I think you could make a good case that they focused on a
lot of the wrong things yeah I think you can definitely make that argument yeah
alrighty well that averages us out to an eighty six point six for a personal
grade yeah so with that that concludes this week's breakdown and the final
all bros untrained eye and crash and taz movie seller score for the matrix
reload it has come to uh roses in here to do drumroll but a b-a all right wait
before you tell what movies surround it can I tell you a funny anecdote that
happened just recently you are gonna love this my nephew he's 14 years old
poor guy he's like he's like oh you're doing a podcast tonight and I was like
yeah and I was like I'm doing the matrix too he's like the matrix he's like I
think I saw aren't they making a new movie about the matrix with John wick and
I was like I died I was like dude I was like that is making it to the show my
friend like that's the funniest thing anybody's ever said doesn't that shit
just kind of make you feel old I mean I laughed out loud when he said that I was
like my mind was blown I was like no you mean the guy from the matrix is gonna be
in the matrix John wick sorry go ahead no you're good yeah so it is it is a
it's a b- so compared to our other b- movies which we have 19 of it is
sitting at 13 all right all right start with what's ahead of it what's ahead of
it yeah I want to know I want to know last what's behind it because I feel
like it's all gonna make me either sad or I'm gonna have to quit the show I
don't know it'll be number seven host I don't know all right so we're sitting at
an eighty one point six six percent so that puts it you want it wait you want
to know what's above it or below yeah I think people are gonna be more upset by
what's below it so I want to hear what's above it first okay that's that's true
like yeah all right so that puts it below birds of prey which is at an eighty
one point seven five it is below holiday and handcuffs which is at an eighty one
point seven eight you blame Jason oh my stomach hurts oh my god that's amazing
it is below spiral which is at an eighty one point nine three it is also our yeah
it's so it's below okay it's below spiral the war with grandpa and rogue
one which are all at an eighty one point nine three nice then it also puts it
below it chapter two which is at an eighty one point nine five so it we
there's like a shit ton of movies like like if we're talking margins like the
the percentage difference the matrix reloaded like before you even get a full
percentage above this movie we're at like the second movie be be minus movie
that's like telling a kid you like barely lost you almost got a full a
what's so what what did it beat now all right yeah so there's a lot of my day to
be killed eleven movies above the matrix reloaded before you get a full like one
full percentage that's amazing yeah so the matrix reloaded is above late night
which is at an eighty one point three seven is above Deadpool 2 which is at an
eighty one I knew I was gonna catch it for that one oh yeah which is at an
eighty one point zero eight it is above the banana splits movie which is at an
eighty point nine one it is above dune which is at an eighty point six two it
is also above good boys eighty point two five and it is above movie that yeah
well you can't bitch about that one you were on that episode I know but they're
all and they're two different but they're two different movies they're two
different like genre of movies so it's kind of hard yeah no go for it go for
it for everyone listening I just wish you could see Vic he is currently dying
like I am watching him pass away in front of my very eyes yeah and then
finally it is above Nomad land which is at an eighty point one eight by the way
we need to do this the same way for the third movie too because people if you
think people are mad about Deadpool being below this movie for sure whatever
is below the next one people are going to lose their minds
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forget where did the other matrix son of a bitch like they get higher no so yeah
the first matrix got an a-minus that's correct yeah and just to piss Vic off
that put it above the Avengers yeah I heard I heard what it was above it's not
relive this shit it's twice you guys just let me down actually I have to blame
myself for this one because I'm part of it now dude I'm you have no idea how
happy or not even happy how filled with joy I was that you were losing your mind
that if your far from home score went lower you were trying so hard to make it
higher and it ended up doing it again and it's getting hundreds all across the
board on my on my side I think that's correct
so funny anyway if you guys want to check out our whole like rating system I
have a link to it in our on our website any movie we've ever breaking down and
just like a couple bonus ones yeah are all on our website so I'm trying to see
if I missed anything oh here's a fun piece of trivia you might not know about
that movie remember at the end when they were when Neo passed out and they were
like the Hammers here to save us that ship came and they call it they called
it the hammer do you know why they call it the hammer because they couldn't
pronounce its actual name you know its actual name mule near serious that is
some trivia that I read and I choose to believe it I don't know if it's true or
not but I think it's hilarious that a bunch of frickin ground-dwelling idiots
were like I don't know how to say that word I'll call it the hammer alrighty
well like I said this concludes this week's breakdown yeah so you guys want
to share where we can find you you gentlemen DJ go for it man
hi everybody I'm DJ you might remember me from such programs as the Albrows the
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that is true I don't feel like you post as often as you used to can I tell you
something I looked at it I thought I was like five or six posts behind I'm like
15 posts behind I have so many one day you're just gonna get like a and just
gonna see what the untrained eye is back they're here and they're posting
Instagram is such a weird platform like anytime I've posted like the question
of the week like I usually get an average of like 13 maybe 15 likes on
something like that I post the artwork and like same thing like I get maybe a
little bit less like 9 to 12 and so I was kind of just expecting around the
same number when I posted the newly animated artworks that I've done and now
I've gotten like three there is nothing like social media to be like oh yeah do
you feel special you're not I've had such like a confidence complex with that
because I'm like because I've been met like I'm not sure if you saw the the
retweet group but I posted I'm like do you guys think this is dumb it's fun it
sucks because I feel really bad because I used to be super good and on it about
all things social media and my days now are so freaking like jam-packed in the
sense that like I have to go from this thing to this thing to this thing and
everything is like everything is scheduled out up until like sleeping and
then I look and I'm like oh I was supposed to retweet this two days ago
like the episode I was on I retweeted like three days late like what is the
matter with me so that's why I say follow you at the untrained iPod we're
out there
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love your show and they love monster house why can't two things be true dude
I I don't know what the hell is up with that because like the monster house
episode is like one of our least popular I mean along with like 89 others say
maybe you should re-release it you know just like hey we're gonna do a throwback
Thursday here's some monster house for the people who clearly are craving
monster house yeah but if you want shirts with way better artwork on them
at least okay the ones that say featuring crash and test
okay well I don't want to get copyright strikes from you so I've been I released
the separate ones wait you did not release the one that had the the three
spider-men on it oh my god that's one I don't know what to do with so I mean if
you guys are cool with me posting it I will have for sure if that thing I would
go ahead I would love that and if you get nothing would make me happier than
if someone gets to buy that shirt ie me or you get copyright right away I don't
know if copyright stricken is an actual phrase but I just said it anyway
yeah oh alright so I guess I'll post that too
yeah you finally saw all that stuff on our on our website links to everything
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nope Star Wars Jedi fallen order Star Wars I love this show by the way guys
thanks for the the first and only surprise party I've ever had
that was the best part of my day I gotta tell you I am rarely genuinely shocked
and that was a gen I was shocked because I was like that's hilarious he made this
audio file for Caleb to play and then when you showed up I was like I this is
I can't believe this is happening this is so good did Rose know or you like we
don't need you tonight Rose no Rose knew he just like I said just got held up at
work and so just kind of worked out perfect I was gonna say you know what
the not that you know I wish Rose was here you know doing the breakdown with
us today but you know I think him not being able to make it just made it that
much easier too because you know okay like Caleb was able to say you know
well Rose isn't here but I've got my special guests and then we were like oh
that like that sounds so much better than what the hell we had planned before
so you know yeah wait there was another ambush plan in the works no so like what
we were going to do with Rose like we were going to just do like the normal
intro and be like and we are joined by our by our honorary like our unofficial
third third host and then like just have Vic interrupt you it was basically the
same thing but we just you know didn't have the Quentin Tarantino skills to
pull off a good script no dude that way I cannot wait to hear this again because
like I am I almost wish that this was a video like this was streamed somewhere
because I would love to see my own dumb face because I'm like wait what
dude I could tell like gosh I wish I just wish I could have this I know I was
gonna say I wish I could have seen like hearing DJ's voice like his just like
hearing his voice you know in the whole like him reacting to me like as I kept
going was in my head just painted such a funny picture but I wish I could have
seen that that's why I tried my damndest to get onto the video chat as soon as I
could and to see him still shocked that was amazing I love it yeah I got a shock
any day I loved it you could like tell the instant you realize that it was
actually him and not a recording is great good stuff all right well we'll
catch you guys next week and until then this has been the all bros podcast with
special guest and unofficial third hosts or DJ and Vic we will catch you guys
next time Dave's so long Rose I tried it I tried it it wasn't as good