What is up bros and welcome to the Allbros Podcast, I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we are a couple of aspiring filmmakers that love to watch and critique movies but
also enjoy a lot of bit of the nerd life.
This week on the podcast we are once again joined by our basically is he is he officially
our third host is it I mean it's still a fight between him and Vic right?
Pretty much.
Okay, it's pretty much he's the third.
I heard pretty much he's the third.
That's what Caleb said.
End of podcast.
We're going to end it right here going to roll the end credits.
We did it boys.
We became the third.
Listen, I am all of you.
You're me.
We're here together.
We did it.
We'd no one thought it could happen.
Nepotism was going to rule the day until DJ showed up and was like no more.
He will be the third host of the Allbros guys.
I'm really glad to be a permanent fixture now.
How's it going?
Oh shit, it's going great.
How are you DJ?
At this point there are some of your listeners that must be like slightly confused.
They're like is this guy like he's legitimately been on a lot of episodes in a row.
What like all five of them?
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure I could like name all five.
Yeah, but three of them were like the last three.
Sure.
Well, I think Rose was definitely one of them because like the way that they worded it that
listen to our podcast more than any other.
I think Rose listens to ours more than any other.
Or do you have another one that's on your?
Nope, it's just ass.
Rose, this is why I love you.
You are like no, I unapologetically listen to only this show because it has my beautiful
songbird like voice on it and that is it.
Exactly.
If you want me to listen to your podcast, be on my podcast.
I'm not going to listen to yours, but I'm going to hear you.
No listen, I completely get it.
It's listen, I can listen back to our episodes of the untrained eye because there's two people
on there, but like the dragging the table episodes, especially the solo ones, your guess
is as good as mine what they sound like because I'll listen to them.
I can't, I can't listen to me talk to me like, Hey, remember that thing we did before?
Remember that we did that like, nah, this is, this is too weird.
Simply thinking about it, I would be the same way if I branched off and did my own podcast,
not saying I would ever do that.
And if I did, it would be an entirely different subject.
What was your podcast be?
I don't know.
I would, Rose, I would love to hear that.
If we could get a Christmas bonus episode of the, what if Rose had his own show all
by himself, what that would be about, I would 1000% be on board for that.
The saddest thing is I actually did put some thought into this and Caleb's going to kill
me for this.
It would be literally, I would call it, it'd be about probably like probably John Wayne
Gacy and it'd probably be called like the Gacy Gazette or some shit like that.
It's got to have two G's in it.
And just talking about, yeah, just going over how sick of a person he was.
And yeah, please.
I'm telling, listen, you can bank it and like think about it for like next like Halloween
time or whatever, but I'm telling you, please, I'm begging you do this.
Everyone wants this.
Everyone listening to this right now wants what you just said.
Please do it.
Should I?
I'm not even joking.
You guys have been like, you have to do this now.
Okay.
You guys have a better name though?
No, don't, no, no, no, no.
Don't let anybody else mess up your thing.
You do your thing.
I named my podcast that I did by myself, dragging the table and I have to explain it every single
time because people are like, what could that possibly mean?
So that was a real mistake, but I made it and I'm sticking with it.
So I'm not saying yours is a mistake.
I'm saying that you, this is your deal.
Don't you dare ask anyone what they think.
It doesn't matter what they think.
This is your deal.
They come to you, Rose.
Don't forget that.
Okay.
Well guys, then in the near future, expect a branch off podcast of me talking about John
McKee.
No, no, no, no, no.
You're not getting out of it that easy.
We're not doing some generic date.
I will give you until February 1st to record something to release.
I think that's a very, okay.
Okay.
I'll get, okay.
Yeah.
And I will.
I will do a review of the Peacock original mini series of John Wayne Gacy, Devil in Disguise.
Yes.
I'm with it.
Okay.
And whatever, whatever you want to name it, I will, that's how I will post it on, on our
show.
The all bros present presents.
Yep.
It'll be one of those.
A slight departure with Rose.
Yeah.
Exactly.
You guys go from talking about movies to actual serial killers.
Okay.
Listen, there are movies about serial killers.
People love that nonsense.
They're like, Oh, look, a hot guy played it.
So it's not as bad because he's good looking.
I think this is exactly like Zac Efron playing.
Yeah.
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
All right, everyone.
So now you can look forward to what, what, what are you going to call it?
I'll think of something because the more I think about it, what I called it, it kind
of sounds stupid to me.
Don't think about it.
I'm telling you, if you, if you liked it initially, then I'm telling you just go with it.
Listen, I'll tell you dragging the table.
I'll just tell you what dragging the table means.
Like it's, it's kind of cool, but like it's just such a long road to get there.
My favorite scene in a movie in any movie forever is the scene in men in black when
they are first initially there.
They're all getting like, uh, uh, checked out by K and, uh, dead guy.
What's his name?
Uh, Q what is his name?
Who is the guy that's like the main head honcho?
What is his name?
Oh, I forget.
You know who I'm talking about, right?
Yeah.
I remember that guy, uh, whenever they're there and they're interviewing everyone and,
uh, they have to do the test.
They have to take like that paper test, uh, with the pencil and everyone's trying to like
right on the side and, uh, they're just putting it on their leg and the papers or pencils
going through the paper.
He drags that table super loud all the way over to his thing and, uh, he starts doing
it and everyone's looking at him like he's crazy and he's like, y'all want to get up
on this?
Like, I think that that is like, to me, that's an amazing scene because it's like, all right,
like this is, he didn't care what, like what anybody thought.
He was just like, this is the way I need to get the job done.
Like I know I need to write on this paper, so I'm going to drag this table over here.
So I just liked the idea of dragging the table as just a metaphor for life.
So there you go.
And that's, that's why you put a little more planning into the name of your podcast.
So you don't have to say that long piece of nonsense that I just said to explain why you
call your show what you call it.
Yours is way better because you can just go, I thought it sounded cool.
Double G's and people go, yeah, yeah, I get that.
Yours is cool though.
But long, so long.
It's a whole episode just to explain what the thing is.
I know, but there's like a story behind it.
Like the hell ours, the all bros is my name and Rose's name put together.
It's our couple name.
That's amazing.
By the way, we almost spelled it a L B R O S E.
Ha ha.
Wait the all bros all.
Oh my God.
By the way, I just incepted myself just then.
Like everything came together.
Kaiser So Say started walking without a limp.
It all just happened like that was it.
I love you guys.
Thank you for letting me be the third official co-host.
So look forward to Rose's John Wayne Gacy show coming to use early February.
You know, we're just going to stick with the Gacy Gazette.
There we go.
We're going to stick with it.
It's a good name.
Strong name.
Yeah, cool.
Gacy Gazette.
Yeah, coming to you early February.
Yeah.
I'll edit it and everything for you if you just want to record it because I know editing
yourself talking by your your lonesome can be rough.
Okay.
Well, thank you.
Okay, dude, I see how this is going to work out because I'm going to like break it down
each by each episode.
Yeah, dude, I'm actually excited for this.
It can be an ongoing series for all I care.
It could.
Shit.
Dude, actually, I have to stop.
Honestly, yeah, dude, like if you're okay with that, like just like spend like like an hour
on each episode.
Well, not in ours.
No, he's saying like an hour per episode.
Yeah, the end of all the all bros episode.
We'll just put an episode of the Gacy Gazette.
What's the big deal?
So now my episodes where we talk for.
Yeah.
Well, unless I'm on, it'll be a six hour episode.
Our episodes are already super long.
No, just release a five part hour long mini series or an hour long each mini series.
There we go.
Five hour mini series, hour each.
You can do limited runs.
Come on.
The potential is endless.
This is going to be great.
Yeah.
Hell yeah.
This show is for man.
Anything that we want to do.
If you want to talk about John Wayne Casey for five hours, like go ahead.
Whoo.
Sorry, guys.
I came on here to broker this new podcast deal and that's all I came here to do.
I've made it longer than Vic.
I will catch you guys on the Matrix Reloaded next time.
All right.
See ya.
Or I'm sorry.
The Matrix Revolution.
Sorry.
Too many Matrix movies.
They just all had to have R in the tagline.
Can I just tell you something about the Matrix Reloaded to the Matrix Revelations?
Stop with the amount of too many words, too many syllables, so many syllables.
Reloaded we got it.
Okay.
Get it?
We reloaded back into the Matrix.
Revolutions?
Okay.
Are we just hitting nails completely on the head now because we're revolting against the
computer?
Like get out of my face.
Call it the Matrix Three.
Is it...
Oh sh...
Is it revolutions or is it revelations?
Revolutions is three.
Revelations is four because they hate our guts.
I thought four was resurrection.
Hey, listen.
It's all a biblical allegory.
You're right.
I'm right.
Everybody's right.
If it's resurrections, I'm gonna be so mad.
Resurrection is the fourth.
It is resurrections.
I thought it was revelations because I was seriously so deep into the Bible talk that
I was like revelations.
That's right.
I'm not telling you that better.
The Matrix Revolutions.
Yeah.
What a freaking...
This movie can't come out fast enough.
Dude, I was so concerned.
I was so concerned.
There would have been a huge mistake on something that I just recently made.
Wait, wait.
Okay, well, okay.
So I did just look.
It is revolutions is three.
Resurrections is four.
It is resurrections.
Okay.
So how many heart attacks are you having?
No, like none anymore.
When you were talking about the third one and you said revelations, I was like, oh shit.
I don't know anything.
No one listens to me.
Or at least they shouldn't.
Oh, I got real worried, but we're good.
So that's an episode for later date.
Sorry about that.
So this week on the podcast, we will be talking about 4k spotlight.
We got, Caleb, I said one movie, right?
Yes.
Okay.
We got one movie to talk about.
Oh, and if you guys did want to know if there was anything last week, yes, Who Framed Roger
Rabbit came to 4k.
Very good movie, by the way.
Yeah.
Never seen it, but I regret missing out on that steel book.
I'm just saying.
You, I, listen to me.
I can't be on every episode.
You guys should do it.
Just you two.
I don't need my stupid opinion, but I'm telling you, you guys should for sure watch that movie
and talk about it because it is in a word wild.
I'm all for it.
Yeah, I'm down.
Hell yeah.
I know.
I seriously am very interested to know.
It is like one of those movies that it, it's a crossover movie that happened that like
would, it's, it's so impo.
It's as, it's as impossible as the Super Mario Brothers movie.
Like it almost doesn't make sense that they allowed them to do it.
You're like, how is this?
This is not something that, that Disney would be okay with even in the small slightest.
So yeah, I would love to see what you guys think of that movie.
All right.
Sweet.
Yeah.
I love that movie.
I haven't seen it in years, so I'm down.
Sweet.
Cool.
Adding it to the list.
Yeah.
So after that, we'll be moving on to through the wall, which we have a couple things to
talk about.
We have a Marvel casting announcement along with a poster, not a poster tease, but a poster
that kind of teases what's to come in a sequel considering the trailer.
A poster reveal.
Yeah, there we go.
I beat around the bush way too much with that, which the trailer for the first trailer for
that movie drops the next day after we record.
So the ninth.
So by the time this episode releases, you can go check out that trailer.
But then after that, we'll be moving on to our special, Albrose Headliner of the evening,
which to celebrate our 200th episode, it will be breaking down the video game Star Wars
Jedi Fallen Order.
Hells yes.
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All right.
So this week with 4K Spotlight, I feel one of the biggest movies of this year is coming
to 4K, and that is Venom, Let There Be Carnage.
DJ, did you go see this one?
I, okay.
So no, I have not.
I am starting to regret this now because I have a bone to pick with everyone who has
somehow been convinced that Tom Hardy is a good actor because I vehemently disagree.
But yeah, I know everyone.
Listen, I will admit that I have, I could potentially be wrong, but I'm just saying
that there's a reason why the best movie he was in was Mad Max Fury Road.
Very little lines.
All I'm saying, the guy makes a great mug, not necessarily a super great actor, but I
had the end of this movie spoiled for me, let there be carnage, and I'm like, all right,
fine.
I'll watch your Venom movies and we'll see what's going on.
So yeah, I won't spoil it for anyone, but I got it spoiled and it was enough to make
me go, all right, fine.
I'll take a look.
Have we weren't the ones that are Can I Rises?
Oh, sorry.
I have seen the Dark Knight Rises and you know what, you know what happened with him?
They were like, you sound so dumb in the cup we put over your mouth.
We have to have you redo all your lines again.
Because I talk like this, I was born in the darkness.
It's been so long since people did this interpretation into a microphone.
Ha ha, I'm Bane.
I'll get you Batman and your little Robin too.
That's actually a pretty good impression.
He's fine.
Listen, he's fine, but there's got to be a heel.
You know what I mean?
When I first started the show, The Untrained Eye with Beth, the actor that I just decided
to hate for no reason was Denzel Washington and people definitely were not on board with
that.
For sure.
But he did this movie that I consider terrible called Thomas J. Israel or something J. Israel
where he plays like an autistic lawyer.
And I was like, all right, we get it.
You can you have range.
Shut up.
Have you watched his any of his other movies?
Yes, I listen.
I understand he's a guy.
No, no.
I understand Denzel Washington like Tom Hardy and Denzel Washington are the same.
Like we've all seen Training Day.
Okay.
He's a great actor.
I get it.
But I think I feel like Tom Hardy gets overhyped.
Like I don't I think he's a I think he's fine.
I don't think he is as good.
I don't think he's as good as everyone else thinks he does.
But this is also with the recognition that I could not act one line in anything as a
background actor.
So this is not me being like, I understand acting and how it works and I'm real good
at it.
No, I'm terrible.
This is all spoken probably mostly out of jealousy because I didn't get to be in Mad
Max Fury Road, but it is what it is.
He's terrible.
Dude, you when you and Vic took over for our episode and we're talking about missing out
on Mad Max in theaters.
Yes.
I was like so dedicated on attempting to recreate a true theatrical experience.
So I pulled out my surround sound system, plugged it into my VR headset and rewatched
Bohemian Rhapsody, which is a movie that has only ever given me chills when I saw it in
theaters.
And I've watched it two other times after watching it in theaters and I didn't like
nothing like no no chills or anything.
Re-watching it with the surround sound in what I was viewing as a theatrical experience,
I got chills again.
That was I'm telling you, that was a really good pick from Vic.
I really did not expect that when I asked him that question because I just expected
it to be another action movie too.
But that like in his justification was very like it made perfect sense.
He's like, dude, that is how you're supposed to see it.
Like you're supposed to see it in the theater with big booming surround sound and it's supposed
to sound amazing and look amazing.
And yeah, I can't argue that.
Yeah.
So I mean, hell, if like if you just add surround sound to it, which I had like you don't even
need like a good surround sound.
I have like a surround sound system that my dad had on his old computer from like 2000.
2000.
Wow.
And it still was just like it was just booming and like, oh, so great.
That's amazing.
So just in case anyone needs to be sold on a headset.
Oh yeah, you need to be sold on surround sound.
Check out speakers.
They're great.
Yeah, you don't even need like super expensive.
Don't worry, we're not paid by Oculus.
Yeah.
I know with how much I go on about them, we probably should be.
Yeah, too straight up.
I mean, reach out like I think the you know, worse they can say is no.
He's not wrong.
Or just not answer you.
It's probably going to be the second one.
Hey, I talk about this borderline weekly to at least five people.
I will say this.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, and now that we've got all this crossover power, it's up to six.
Imagine selling six oculus's a year.
All right, I'm sorry.
I keep getting this off track.
You asked about let there be carnage and now we're talking about Oculus riffs.
All right.
So, so that'll be carnage.
There's going to be a regular 4k and a regular bluer release along with a Best Buy exclusive
steelbook, which is so incredible.
It goes so well with the first steelbook and I'm so happy about it.
And then targets exclusive, I think comes with a gallery book.
But these gallery books now suck in my opinion, because it's literally just it's literally
just a slip cover with a little flap that you fold out and then the gallery book is
just tucked in on the side.
It's not like a digi book anymore.
Yeah, it's stupid.
I hate it.
Not fun anymore.
Well, okay.
So what are they calling it?
So they're saying it's an exclusive fan art edition with collectible cards.
So that's that will be the target exclusive, but there's no Walmart exclusive.
So yeah, and also when I feel this is one of Cable's favorite movies of 2021, at least
I think that's when it came out.
And I can't believe this is getting a bluer release.
The Mitchells versus the machines.
Oh, bluer releases Tuesday.
So if you guys want to go pick that up, I don't know if it's going to be in stores,
but it is on Amazon right now for twenty two ninety six.
Go to hell.
Is that expensive to me?
I won't pay above twenty dollars for regular blue.
But that's just me.
Good to know.
No, I mean, listen, I don't like I I am in a place that I never thought I would be because
like I grew up in old media.
Like I was I remember when like people were talking about CDs like you'll never believe
this new crazy contraption, a CD player.
So I am super duper into physical media or I was.
But now I am like it's a digital.
Why would I ever own?
And by the way, when I say this, I'm like my wife is somewhere laughing herself to death
because we have two giant crates full of old DVDs that I used to just if I had a paycheck,
I couldn't go to Best Buy fast enough.
I bought every DVD known to mankind.
And now I'm like, I will never touch a physical piece of media ever again.
You just cut me deep, man.
Well OK, you know what was the.
We're all.
This all.
I went preordered Tony Hawk when Tony Hawk one and two were coming out for PlayStation
and Xbox and everything.
And I preordered it like months and months in advance.
The physical copy because I wanted that physical copy because I'm like that's part of it.
Like I remember having the original Tony Hawk and playing it and like I want to.
I want to touch the thing because I had it on PlayStation, so I preordered it on PlayStation
and the day that it was supposed to be there.
They were like, not only is it not going to be there, we're canceling your preorder.
And I was like, cool.
And so I just I bought it on digital and from the PlayStation store and I just kind of I
played it for a little bit and was sad.
I haven't played it since and I just don't buy physical stuff anymore, really, unless
it's vinyl.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
I mean, for that kind of situation that went, I can understand because that's so.
I was very I'm people that bought laser discs probably went through the same thing.
They're just like, oh, this is the way of the future and they got bit in the ass.
I mean, it's whenever there was.
What was it like Blu Ray and HD DVD and then HD DVD?
It's same thing because, by the way, laser disc was the the superior way to watch movies
and they were like, no, we're not using these stupid records to watch movies.
And it was the same thing with like HD DVDs like they I think I want to say Sony was like,
we're going to go ahead and put Blu Ray players in our PlayStations and good luck with your
little HD DVDs.
Microsoft who cares?
And Blu Ray won the day and HD DVDs went the way of laser discs.
Yeah, it's kind of sad.
It's fine.
I have a digital I have a digital collection of everything that you own.
So I got you.
Hey, Caleb, we have a collection.
All I'm saying is the day that physical media dies, for the most part, Caleb's physical
Caleb's digital collection dies.
I hate tea, but the day that that happens, I will be sipping some tea.
It's none of my business.
Oh, shit.
But yeah, so if you guys want to get Venom, let there be carnage comes out tomorrow, technically
when this episode releases.
So get that steelbook, get that shitty digi book from Target, whatever you guys want.
Do it.
Dude, all the shade.
I know, right?
They just suck so bad now.
I hate it.
And I haven't I like I used to if I really liked the digi book on like some Marvel movies,
I would double dip.
But now I'm just like, no, it looks like garbage.
But anyway, moving on to a happier note, let's move on to through the wall, where we got
some awesome MCU casting announcement.
And it has been confirmed that Charlie Cox will once again play Daredevil slash Matt
Murdock in the MCU.
I cannot be more excited about this.
So this is just like a sideways like confirmation slash please stop talking about the Spider-Man
and Spider-Man.
He's going to be a no way home, right?
Basically, like you wanted something.
We're giving you a crumb.
Have this crumb.
And that's it.
Will you shut up, please?
Oh, this is such a good crumb, though, because I've felt so bad for for him thinking that
he's going to get recast.
Like he's gone as far as saying like, I will literally fight whoever the MC whoever they
decide to recast as the MCU Daredevil for that spot if I have to.
I will blind myself if necessary.
Full dedication, guys.
I mean, listen, I haven't I have not well is is are those are those Netflix Marvel stuff?
Is that still on Netflix?
Because I know they took it off at some point.
Oh, I do not know.
Yeah, that's a great question.
Because I would like to go back and revisit those because that Daredevil like I don't
know if it's going to necessarily be quite as good as it was the first time now that
we've seen all that we've seen, like not even just in the MCU, but just for, you know, superhero
or just sci fi shows in general.
I don't know if it will hold up the same way.
But like I think all the acting and stuff will like him and him and foggy and old what's
her face that I can't remember ever.
What is her name in that show?
Blonde, True Blood Lady.
Yeah, you all know, I I did not actually don't know her.
Do what?
I didn't like her like at all.
Really?
Yeah, I think maybe I did like her because I knew her from True Blood.
Like she was one of the better actresses in that show.
And when I saw her there, I was excited because I was like, oh, awesome.
She's still doing stuff.
Good.
Yeah.
Anytime that like I was more than a little aggravated.
Anytime we got backstory on her, I'm just like, I do not care.
Give me foggy and Matt.
Which, by the way, I don't know what that meant to you guys, but like seeing old what's
his face from The Mighty Duck show up, I was like, oh, it's him.
He's here because that dude played something in The Mighty Ducks back in the day, like
the OG Mighty Ducks, not the Disney reboot, whatever that was.
So it was nice to see foggy again, even though I don't remember his real name.
But I don't think I had seen him in one thing until that one thing besides The Mighty Ducks,
that is.
Yeah, I think it's been a while since he's he's done anything.
So hopefully they bring him back as well, because I love the dynamic between those two.
They almost have to write like they he wouldn't be back in the same capacity that he was in
the show for sure, but they would at least have to like, like show a scene of a conversation
between them, because that's what kind of does suck is there's like no chance, though,
like Daredevil might show up in the movie, but he's never getting his own movie, I would
imagine.
I think it'd be a bit of a stretch because it's like what what other stories could you
tell that they didn't already tell in the origin or the first three seasons of his show?
Yeah, I want I want them to bring him back and do like just incorporate him somehow,
like even if in the lawyer aspect, like, and then have him suit up occasionally with whatever
superheroes he's defending.
Yeah, I like that.
I want I want John Bernthal to come back as Punisher.
Yes, for sure.
Jessica Jones can stay.
Luke Cage can stay.
Wrong.
That's a wrong opinion.
But go ahead.
You don't like Luke Cage?
Amazing.
I love.
No, I thought you were saying Luke Cage, like he can stay like in the Netflix realm.
Yeah, yeah, he can stay like in the universe.
Oh, yeah.
We all know the only person you're going to say can go to the toilet.
It's old Iron Fist.
That sucks because Iron Fist is such a cool character.
By the way, that was my introduction.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
No, no, no, go.
No, no, you're good.
No, I was going to say, even though I've never seen Iron Fist, I feel like I deserve so much
slack because I don't know if you guys saw, but when it came to like the fighting choreography
and everything for those episodes, he literally only had, I think, like, I think they like
he had his training.
But when it came to the actual fighting choreography for a certain episode, he literally only had
like maybe like a couple hours before the episode started recording to actually get
it down.
It really had very much shows.
Practice.
Listen, I feel bad for the guy.
That sucks.
It sucks for him, but that the fighting didn't look as good as it could have.
That wasn't the biggest problem with the show.
Nope.
It was up there.
They they can read.
I don't know.
Because I really like the actor.
I really like the actor.
I think he does great work.
He just wasn't given great material.
OK, listen.
I just heard someone talking today that like you don't know if it's the actor that can't
act or the director that can't direct or the script that's not good and a combination of
all those things.
But like, listen to me when I tell you this.
Iron Fist was mine and I imagine a lot of people's like introduction to Iron Fist and
no, thanks.
I'll take a new one.
You can try again.
We can zap him into the multiverse and start with a new one.
That's fair.
But I will say like the stuff that I've seen that actor in before Iron Fist was has been
pretty good.
So I am I'm pretty sure it was material given.
Can I ask you as a question that you may or may not have an answer to?
Like this may be a really easy answer or this may be like one that someone listening is
going to be like, how could you not know this?
I'm a super comic book nerd.
When Thanos snapped and half of everything went away, did that just happen only an hour
little averse or did that happen in all the multiverses?
Have you watched What If yet?
I have watched the first episode still.
My answer spoils it.
Okay, never mind then.
I feel like you still spoiled it by saying that, but it's okay.
Okay, what answer are you okay hearing?
Either either one.
Either one is fine.
I honestly never thought about it until the moment that I just talked about Iron Fist
disappearing into the multiverse.
I was like, oh, maybe he did.
Maybe he did get snapped away.
Okay.
There is a then here's the answer.
There is a set of infinity stones for every universe and those infinity stones only work
in said universe.
Okay, I think that solves a lot of problems then.
That's good.
Because how crazy would that be if you're in one of those other multiverses and half
the people start disappearing and you're like, huh?
Yeah, Thanos in another universe is just like, well, I guess I don't need to do my job.
Didn't even need to lift a finger.
This is great.
I was right.
Yeah, he's on his home on Titan and he's just like, he's starting to like bring it up to
like his buddy and he's like, you know, it'd be like a really great idea.
And then his buddy disappears.
And then he realized half of all life is on or disappears and he's like, knew it.
But I mean, listen, I'm sure this discussion has been had, but there had to have been like
whole planets that didn't know anything happened, right?
Because was it half of life just across the universe or was it half the life everywhere
life was?
Because theoretically, you would think that if unless it was like half the life on every
planet individually, then there could have been at least a handful of planets that were
just like going up like they never knew.
They never knew anyone got snapped away.
They never knew anyone got snapped back.
They were just like, oh, trouble all along.
I'm just living my life.
That's a good question because it seemed like Thanos only ever traveled like before to like
when he was just doing it all by hand, manually.
Yeah, it seemed like he only went to places that were overpopulated.
So well, I guess in the stones would know his intention.
So maybe it was that.
So maybe it wasn't just random.
Maybe it was like, this is what I specifically would want, even though I haven't visited
every planet.
This is what I would want.
So maybe that is the case.
Mystery solved.
Yeah, but then there's also that argument about what he did to the dwarf and the one
that forged the Infinity Gauntlet by killing basically all of the other dwarves except
for him.
And some people were saying that since he's a dwarf, he like has like an extended life
period, so maybe there's just like a grading curve like, oh, killing all of them is kind
of like equals out to like letting half of them live.
Listen, on a long enough timeline, if you try and like make sense of a madman, you're
going to run into a few inconsistencies.
By the way, if everything was perfectly balanced, like there's no reason why he should have
saved Gamora.
Like he just happened to be like, oh, you're cool.
I could show you this cool little knife I got.
Come with me, little kid.
Yeah.
I freaking love that series, dude.
I could talk about it for days.
But we're talking about new Marvel or old Marvel Star Wars.
Yes.
So anyway, pretty excited that Charlie Cox is staying.
So hopefully for sure we get some more people that day.
Yeah, maybe there's an old newspaper boss back when they killed that dude in the show.
I was like, why are we even here?
What are we doing?
Why are you killing this guy?
This one that shouldn't have done.
Why did you kill him?
His boss at the newspaper or was it or was it?
No, it was her boss.
The girl who you think that is when I was like, let's kill the girl, not the guy.
He was there.
Anyway, sorry.
I probably should IMDB this.
Like worst case, I hope we at least get a key punisher as well.
The other three defenders, I feel like you could recast and it'd be OK, but I would prefer
to have Jessica Jones and Luke Cage stay.
Dude, you know, I just I just looked at the Daredevil IMDB.
You know, we could get in no way home.
But we could and it would be so great.
We could get a what?
Spider, Wills and Fist, who needs Kingpin from Daredevil.
Oh, and that's like it's funny because like even though I know it's a Daredevil villain,
like I always traditionally associated Kingpin with Spider-Man.
So they're bringing Matt Murdock back, then maybe they'll bring what's his face Vincent
D'Onofrio back as Kingpin.
That would be pretty awesome.
Well, there's rumored to be in the Hawkeye, right?
Yeah, they're saying Episode five of Hawkeye is supposed to blow up the Internet, so they're
speculating that's why it's going to be Vincent D'Onofrio's return as Kingpin.
Dude, I'm telling you right now, that would be amazing.
It would absolutely.
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure if we don't get Matt Murdock in no way home, I'm pretty sure
we're going to see him in She-Hulk.
Hell yeah.
Listen, I mean, there's plenty of time, I guess still there's always time to re-edit
a movie.
But after those leaks came out that sorry if this is a spoiler for anyone, but there
were leaks, I've said too much.
Wait, what do you guys know?
I just realized I just I'm so sorry.
I shouldn't have said anything.
I take it all back.
Did you guys see the leaks that came out on Twitter?
Which one?
There's about no way home.
Like the one spoiler alert, suppose a picture of all three of them standing next to each
other.
Okay, so you saw that.
So one of the other ones that came out alongside of that was Matt Murdock sitting at a table.
You just saw him in the movie.
So is that real?
I mean, was it just like a one off scene that they could still take out and be like, haha,
you thought you got this, but you get nothing.
Yeah, I don't know.
So I still find it funny.
The funniest, it's not really a leak, but they really should have caught it was in one
of the international trailers for Spider-Man No Way Home.
Someone didn't edit out the lizard getting kicked by someone, but you can't see anybody
actually kicking him in the face.
It's speculated it's either Maguire or Garfield.
Because it really can't really be anybody else.
Because who else is going to be helping Tom Holland, Spider-Man?
Miles Morales.
Never thought about that, did you?
I would love to see Miles Morales in this movie, but I feel that's just like throwing
him in like way too quickly.
That's just like too important for me.
One of his abilities is turning invisible.
So shit, that's a good point.
It was Miles Morales.
We're here, guys, we're breaking it here first.
It was Miles Morales.
You're welcome.
Miles Morales confirmed.
No, it was John Cena.
Come on, guys.
Yes.
That's everyone's joke is it's John Cena.
Oh my gosh.
Dude, I don't trust a single thing that Marvel shows anymore.
As well you shouldn't.
That is the correct response to anything Marvel puts out as a teaser.
Yeah, like even the leaks, I'm like, I'm pretty sure they have an office of people that are
like, all right, this is what we're going to say is leaking to throw everyone off the
trail.
Listen, all that stuff that was always happening with Tom Holland, they're like, oh, he's accidentally
leaking too much and he said something he shouldn't have said or whatever.
I don't buy any of that.
There is just too much money wrapped up in this.
There's no way that this kid doesn't understand the opportunity that is ahead of him to be
basically the next Tony Stark of the MCU that he's just going to be all willy nilly with
information.
No, like you're an excitable little kid.
That's what you play on the movies.
So you just seem excitable.
Well, accidentally saw the script.
Shut up.
Like you.
There's just too much money at play for me to believe that he just gets away with stuff
sometimes.
Yeah.
But yeah, if you try if anyone like just trusts Marvel at face value, you're living in a fantasy
because I have a I have a pop figure that is just a testament to my lack of trust in
the Marvel universe.
Go on.
I think I'm guessing the right one here.
Is it the Hulk and Hulkbuster?
You know, Dan, well, yes, it absolutely is.
The whole
Is that one like worth more because it didn't actually happen?
I don't know.
That'd be so funny.
Wait, I'm going to look right now.
I have a grail hunter app on my phone.
Is it just what is it called?
Like is it just called Hulkbuster?
It's that is what the figure was called.
It was just the Hulkbuster, but it was Hulk bursting out of the Hulkbuster.
Oh, dude, that's that's worth 38 bucks.
My phone.
Oh snap.
So there you go.
How much did you pay for it?
Like 25.
There you go.
So not that much profit.
Still not no profit.
That's true.
OK, that's true.
Yeah, but you got to think I took him out of the box and I do not currently own the box
for that anymore.
So the profit.
Wait, are you?
I mean, this would only make sense, right?
But you not only take him out of the box, but you throw the boxes away too, huh?
I'm just saying I can see that.
But do you throw the boxes away?
Yes, I do throw the boxes away.
For the people at home, he gestured to his very what is his menagerie of Funko pops behind
him.
I was really hoping Caleb was just going to turn around and be like, uh, mm hmm.
Yeah, you're a true psychopath.
Like soon, Rose is going to do an episode of the what is it?
The Gacy Gazette on Caleb.
The Caleb Chronicles, he'll call it, and it'll be all about this frickin psychopath
takes his Funko pops out of the box and throws the boxes away.
You frickin psychopath.
Oh, you want to know something that's like a little bit weirder?
I actually do keep all the boxes.
I keep the sides of the boxes that I think are cool.
That's hilarious.
That is hilarious.
Only because I imagine them being like traded like, like, you know what's funny is Funko
wanted people to, that's what Funko could do if they really wanted to screw with people
really bad.
They could make like the sides like you were showing, like how it just has the character,
they could make like that like perforated so they could be like trading cards be like,
oh yeah, you can just take them off and you can trade the cards.
And that's worth something.
So do you want to take it apart and ruin the box or do you want to keep the box?
We can make the cards worth something too.
It's funny that you bring that up because Funko actually got into the training guard
game, but they were just all digital.
Yes, I saw that.
They're there for those frickin shy.
The NFT frickin dorks shut up and just sell a frickin piece of plastic.
Stop trying to sell code.
You freaks.
I agree.
Are you out?
By the way, I was in the running for one of those and I didn't get it.
But the fact that you're already selling pieces of plastic, listen, you know, I, I, my goal
before I die is to have one of everything that's popular and I have to, before I die,
get one NFT.
Okay.
But now I have to figure out how to get a frickin crypto wallet and convert money to
Bitcoin to Ethereum to give a 0.006 Ethereum to somebody so I can have one NFT.
Like enough.
I don't care that much, but I will have an NFT before I die.
So stupid.
One of these days, I'm just going to convert all of our episode art into NFTs and just
gift you all the ones that you were guested on.
Dude.
I would sell those and I would cut you in for a amount of the profit.
Listen, I've said enough things in my whole podcast career that eventually I'm going
to be canceled anyway.
So my, my whole, my other goal is to get famous enough to get canceled so that everyone that
has all like untrained eye or drag the table stuff can be like, Ooh, this is worth something.
Oh, that guy said a bunch of racist things.
I don't like him at all.
I promise guys.
I'm not racist.
Guys, we're here to talk about Star Wars.
What else we got?
One last thing before we get into Star Wars.
We got our first official poster for Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
And it is literally Tails flying his classic plane with Sonic on the top, on the top wing.
I don't know what, what, what is it?
What kind of plane is this called?
Is it a crop duster?
By wing something.
I don't know what you call those planes.
Crop duster is a very good description though.
You know what it is?
It's one of those stunt planes where like you could see someone like standing with little
footholds on the top and they do like barrel rolls and you're like, how's the person standing
on it?
That's what it is.
So we got Sonic kneeling on the front or on the top.
And then you got Dr. Eggman flying in the back on one of his, whatever the hell his
flying thingies are.
I don't really know.
You know, I've never seen the first one, but this one looks very comic book.
Like this one looks like everything.
You know, what's funny is that people are so excited about this one.
I feel like people forgot what outrage there was when like the first, the first vision
of Sonic breached our eye sockets and everyone was like his teeth, his hair, this is the
worst.
Like what's crazy about that now in hindsight, again, I haven't seen the movie, the first
one, but like it seems to be universally loved, uh, which is crazy that like really all that
people did not like was the look of him because clearly they weren't going to change what
the movie was.
They just changed what he looked like.
So it was always a great movie.
It sounds like they just, uh, somehow they made a good movie with a terrible human rat
face thing that everyone universally agreed was terrible.
The internet has not forgotten about that.
I am on the Twitter for this poster right now and someone is kind of like complaining
like, Oh, they got rid of the white in between his eyes.
Like, like just like how is white fur in between his eyes and they're like, don't complain.
We almost got this.
You don't know what you speak of seriously though.
But honestly, I think like everyone's pointed this out when the movie like finally came
out, they were just like, even if the movie sucked, people were still gonna still appreciate
it because the studio actually listened to the fan backlash and fixed Sonic instead of
just releasing him of how he looked.
So the fact that they actually listened to fans and fixed it, I feel people were going
to find something good to like about it.
I mean, and listen, clearly it worked because, and clearly it worked in such a good way that
they were able to make enough money to justify doing it again.
Because if a movie, if, if movie studios like one thing it's money and if they don't think
something is going to make them money, they'll be like, Oh cool.
You love this thing that makes you nostalgic poop in your hair.
Nobody cares.
If it's not making me money, I don't want to hear about it.
Yeah, but this was just like a big show of how powerful the public voice can be in instances
like this.
And I like, I loved every second of it.
And I thought it was like really funny.
Like, and I think we talked about this in our breakdown of Sonic the Hedgehog.
You could tell the scenes that they worked on after the recreation because Sonic was
like way more animated and everything.
You could tell the scenes that they worked on before because like Sonic was like very
stationary and like the overlay.
Yeah.
It's like the, all they did was replace the, the model because like there's this scene
like specifically where he's like standing on like a kitchen counter talking to John,
the guy that owns Garfield and Odie.
Yeah.
Frickin callback with that one.
Holy shit.
That was something.
Yeah.
So like he was talking to him and then he was like just standing like very still, not
moving a whole lot, like not as much as he was like in earlier scenes or even later scenes.
Like I think they just, they had an idea for how that version of Sonic would move.
And then they, and then when they did the recreation that are like, okay, we need to
change how he moves.
I heard, I don't remember if I heard you guys say it, or I just heard it in a couple of
different places, but like, I know some people implied that maybe like they kind of did this
on purpose.
Like they, like they had gone, they had gone just deep enough where they were like, maybe
we should put out a trailer and see what people think about this.
And they hadn't actually, they weren't actually ever going to let that be the final Sonic.
They just needed a reason to be like, we need, we need backlash so that we can go back to
whoever it is that gives money for this and they can give us enough money to redo what
we did and do what we actually want to do.
I'm not a hundred percent sure I would believe that because there were posters and everything
with the original design.
Listen, I'm not saying it makes sense.
At least the legs of the original design.
You gotta go fast.
The fact that they even had plushes and toys made also.
Can I ask you this?
Since I never did see the first movie, did he eat chili cheese dogs?
And did he say the phrase way past cool?
Cause if he didn't either of those things, I will not watch that movie.
He might've done the first, he did not do the second one.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were at a bar and I think they ordered just like a shit ton of hot dogs.
It's a chili cheese dog or nothing.
If you are Sonic, you eat chili cheese dogs and you say way past cool.
Way past cool.
Yeah.
I don't know if he ever said way past cool.
That was a Sonic the hedgehog cartoon deal.
By the way, I'm looking it up right now to see if he ever said it.
I was going to say, I know you guys are much younger than I, but there was a Sonic, like
it's at least, it's not necessarily worth watching a whole episode, but I would say
it's at least watch worth watching.
Like the opening theme of the Sonic the hedgehog cartoon.
Cause it was like, it was like prime kid material.
Like everything about it was like this little punk hedgehog is very cool and I want to see
him beat Robotnik.
Nope.
It does not look like he ever said that in the movie.
Damn.
I will watch two under duress.
Yeah.
It was, it was worth it.
So I'm super excited to see what we're going to get tomorrow cause hopefully fingers crossed
we get to see Knuckles in action.
Yeah.
That's what I'm looking forward to.
Just leave some space to put in your thoughts so you can just add that in later.
Like hey, we are on the bleeding edge of movies.
We thought the trailer was cool or not.
Wait, everyone do it right now and you just add in the thing later, Caleb.
I thought the trailer was, how you say it Rose?
I thought the trailer was and I thought the trailer was and you decide later, Caleb, what
we all thought and take that part that I just said out.
Dude, just watch.
I'm going to forget about this.
Wait, what?
Where is it?
Where's your reaction?
I don't know what's worse me forgetting that to do that or actually doing it.
It's funny.
Listen, we all have things that we do in our shows that we forget about sometimes.
In the last episode of the untrained eye, I usually do put a little fun pitch down and
reverb on my voice whenever I do the sleep terror clothing read and I forgot to do it.
So you just hear me doing what I would normally do that you would hear reverb and like pitch
down on them like, see you in your dreams.
And I just sound like an idiot.
So there you go.
That's the next thing I want to get in to.
I want to try and find like voice modifications.
Listen, I'm sure that what's it called audacity has plugins that I have never delved into.
But listen, you get a weekly episode.
I mean, pay me if you want me to do extra.
Well, you guys got anything else for poster?
I love it.
Awesome.
Yeah, it looks super cool.
Yeah, I agree.
All right.
Well, then what do you guys say we move on to our headliner of the evening, which will
be our breakdown of Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order.
The hell yes.
All right, so for this week's All Bros headliner in honor of our 200th episode, as you guys
know, every 50 episodes, we will be breaking down a video game.
So with 50, we did Spider-Man 100, we did Red Dead Redemption 2 150, we did Marvel's
Avengers and now we're here at 200 where we will be we will be breaking down Star Wars
Jedi Fallen Order.
Or I'm sorry, it's called Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order.
It works either way.
Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order.
These are the stories of Jedi.
Sorry.
No, you're good.
No, just I think it's like so weird when someone includes another word in with Star Wars and
that word is not included in the subtitle of the name of the game or movie.
So that like is throwing me off that it's called Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, not Star
Wars Jedi Fallen Order.
Well, and I'm looking at the cover art for it right now, too.
And like all you can really see is like in very big letters, it says Jedi and then underneath
fallen order, almost like Dune, part one.
Just whispering.
Caleb, would you like to well, because I suck so much, I forgot to post the question of
the week.
Ah, brah.
What was going to be the question?
Yeah, what was it again?
What's your kyber crystal color?
No, we well.
Okay, was that was that was that had a little.
It was part of the question.
Purple is the answer.
No, correct.
Anyway, yes.
No, my.
So the question I came up with was what would your lightsaber look like?
Like blade color, if it would have multi blades, if you could describe the handle at all, if
you wanted to or just like just describe what your personal lightsaber would look like.
Rose.
Okay, who wants to go for?
Okay, this has always been mine since I was a kid.
I'll be I'm sorry, I'm just going to copy someone's Obi Wan Kenobi's from Episode Three
handle and all.
I love it so much.
Mine would be some kind of like riff on Excalibur, but with a with a it would be a purple blade
or a purple whatever it would be colored purple.
But yeah, but instead of like how Kylo Ren had like the little little coming out the
side like it would just be like an actual hilt.
Like it wouldn't be it wouldn't be like little extra stuff coming off.
It would be a single blade, but it would look it would look shockingly like Excalibur, I
think.
I like it.
So mine is like what I would love was a like the Obi Wan hilt, but instead of like the
top that he has have like the top for the the darksaber and have the darksaber shape,
but have it be blue.
We man the darksaber.
Can we just take a moment to say that Mandalorian thank you Mandalorian for bringing the darksaber
to real life.
Oh my god.
Guys go watch the Mandalorian.
Especially Rose considering he hasn't finished season two.
Well I'm actually kind of jealous of you because I would like to watch that whole I would like
to watch that with with fresh eyes all over again because that was a good so good.
I feel bad like I like don't get me wrong.
I really like it, but I'm just not getting into it.
I feel as like everybody else's.
It's good.
I like it.
You need to watch Clone Wars because I wasn't super into like I started watching Clone Wars
because of the first season of Mandalorian and I thought like watching Clone Wars with
my child was a good option to do other than like any other adult based show that I wanted
to watch and I got super into Star Wars and so like the whole darksaber.
All I'm saying is don't don't buy Iris a lightsaber anytime soon because she's probably
going to think that that's actually going to cut through something.
She's going to pit in you until something happens.
Dude, if you if you if you don't want to take on the daunting task of going straight into
the Clone Wars, start with Rebels and Rebels in my opinion is actually a because I don't
know maybe because it's so much more brief than the Clone Wars is actually I enjoy it
more than the Clone Wars even though the Clone Wars gives a way more context to what we're
seeing now.
Like there is so I'll just say this because this isn't a super big spoiler but have you
gotten to how far have you gotten in season two of the Mandalorian?
Have you gotten to have you gotten to where the baby Yoda has been named?
No.
Honestly, Caleb, did we start season two when I was still in Georgia?
Yes we did and I was just going to ask you that.
Like did you watch anything after?
Nope.
He got into the second episode.
So I'm just going to say this because there is the the we need to talk about this game
because the game in the Fallen Order and the Mandalorian, the thing that they share, I
think, is that they are a they're both stories that exist outside of like the main movies
that you don't really need to have seen anything else to enjoy them in my opinion.
Like it's this thing that can you can watch it and it can get you interested to be like,
oh I want to see now I want to see I want to watch Return of the Jedi again.
I want to watch some more of the Clone Wars to understand who this character is.
I want to watch some more of Rebels to understand who this character is and like there is something
that, I don't know, I want to I don't want to spoil it by telling you who says it but
like there is a line that said by a certain dual wielding light or a certain dual wielding
lightsaber I don't I'm sure that's the correct way of saying it but they say they talk about
people going to the dark side and I've seen this kind of thing before or I've seen this
kind of thing happen before and when this character says that line if you just hear
it you're like oh this is making a passing reference about there's a dark side of the
force but when you know why this person is saying it because if you have that if you
have the backstory of who this person is like it makes that moment so much sadder and so
much more like this person really knows what they're talking about and there is no way
for them to even explain it to who they are trying to get that information to.
I know this was very cryptic and probably didn't make a lot of sense but I knew exactly
what you're talking about and could not have seen more.
There's just things that like it's things like the Mandalorian and this game we're about
to talk about is what makes me so aggravated by the pre or I'm sorry the sequel trilogy
but it kind of gives me hope because here's the thing the prequel trilogy was really like
people hated it for a long time and I was even part of that for a little bit but now
I have grown into a prequel apologist and part of it is because it has spun into like
such good things like the Clone Wars the Bad Batch Rebels the Mandalorian all that stuff
like really happened because the prequels existed so who is to say that you know years
from now we're not going to have cool stuff spin off from the sequel trilogies I don't
see how that could happen but no one could see it in the prequels either so who knows
but that was a long way of saying please for the love of God watch me Laurie this is more
important than the this is more important than the avatar thing okay just put avatar
last airbender down for a minute it's just it's just a handful of episodes just do it
okay yeah like you you freaking hit everything on the head with that one the only thing about
like everything I think I preferred the story of rebels but the animation of Clone Wars
yeah I mean it was what is it Freddie Prinze jr. like that dude is so deep into Star Wars
it is incredible I would never in a million years imagine 10 things I hate about you or
whatever it was you know she are Fred from Scooby Doo was gonna be the guy that was like
was gonna be like super deep into but he is freaking let's talk about this game please
alright so for those of you who have not been with us with our previous video game breakdowns
we split video games into 10 different categories that we individually score to come to a final
all bros and untrained I letter grade the 10 categories that we are going to score our
story writing voice acting character development graphics music gameplay main missions side
quests and then give it our own personal grade at the very end then all that magic will get
added up and spit out our our litter grade so yeah with that if you have not played Star
Wars Jedi Fallen Order please do yourself the service of playing it before listening
to this and get ready for me to butcher some names cuz I'm just gonna let you guys know
that right now this is not what do you mean Star Wars is known for having just names just
Mike and Jerry and Elizabeth and uh this isn't doomed
alright so five years after the great Jedi purged and the Galactic Republic's conversion
into the Galactic Empire former former Jedi Padwan Cal Kestis is hiding on the planet
Bracca where he works as a scrapper salvaging ship from the Clone Wars and is hiding his
four abilities after all is recorded by an Imperial probe droid while using the force
to save his friend Prof two inquisitors known as the second sister and the ninth sister
are sent to investigate after the second sister kills Prof for speaking up against the Empire
Cal makes his escape briefly engaging in a duel with the second sister before he's rescued
by former Jedi Knight Sir is that how you say her name is it sir seer
now that you said that I feel like it was almost like seer like yeah okay seer Junda
and her partner pilot Grease Drittus in their ship the stinger Mantis seer takes Cal to
the planet Bougaino and hopes he can access an ancient vault en route to the vault Cal
befriends a small droid named BD-1 who shows him a message from former Jedi Master Eno
Cordova revealing that the vault was built by an ancient civilization called the Zepho
and that a Jedi holocron containing a list of force sensitive children has been hidden
inside by Cordova seer believes the list could help rebuild the Jedi order but the only way
to access the vault is by following Cordova's path Cal heads to the Zepho home world and
explores an ancient temple finding a clue pointing to Cordova's friend the Wookiee
Tartan Tar Tarful Tarful on the Wookiee home world of god damn it I'm in a butch Kashyyyk
Kashyyyk how did I not know that I think it's probably the spelling Kashyyyk yeah for sure
Cal encounter Cal encounters and Taurius insurgent Saw Gerrera whom he helps free several Wookiees
enslaved by the Emperor Empire not Emperor oh my god
heheheheh screw you Caleb got him very good sir
unable to find Tar-Tar-Tarful Cal returns to Zepho to find more clues regarding the
vault but it is but is ambushed by the second sister who reveals herself as Trilla Siduri
seer seers former padawan she explains that she was captured by the Empire after seer
betrayed her hidden location under torture and warns Cal that seer will inevitably betray
him once they find the holocron eventually Cal learns he learns he requires a Zepho artifact
called Astrium to unlock the vault before being captured by a haxen brood bounty hunter
and forced to fight in a gladi- gladi- oh my god gladiator- gladiatorial arena owned
by haxian boss Sork Tormo after seer and greaves rescue him Cal returns to Kashyyyk to meet
with Tar-Tarful who instructs him to investigate the top of the origin tree at the top of the
tree he finds another recording of Cordova saying that an a-astrium can be found in a
Zepho tomb on Dathomir before being attacked by the ninth sister whom he defeats on Dathomir
Carl's progress is impeded by night sister Maren who blames the Jedi for the massacre
of her people during the Clone Wars and the attempts to keep him away using an army of
revenants after- wait wait it was Carl- oh god damn it- I'm sorry I couldn't let it go
by I tried but I was like he for sure said Carl- apparently I got Jimmy Neutron on the
brain- no thank you for that catch- nope it was amazing- so I'm gonna start again so
on Dathomir Cal's progress is impeded by night sister Maren who blames the Jedi for
the massacre of her people during the Clone Wars and attempts to keep him away using an
army of revenants after experiencing a flashback of his former master Jarro Tapal sacrificing
himself to protect him during order 6-6 the kyber crystal of Cal's lightsaber is destroyed
he meets former Jedi Taran Malicus who crash landed on Dathomir during the purge and has
been seeking to learn the magic of the night sisters over time growing insane and succumbing
to the dark side of the force Cal refuses Malicus offer to teach him his dark power
and flees after Maren attacks them both aboard the stinger Mantis Seer- excuse me- admits
she cut her connection to the force after briefly falling to the dark side upon learning
Trilla became an inquestor after traveling to Illum- oh my god I think that's how you
say it- to rebuild his lightsaber- I think it is Illum- yeah sorry- it's Illum- no you're
good no thank you Cal returns to Dathomir where he retrieves the astrium and overcomes
his guilt for his part in Jarro's death he defeats Malicus with his- Malicos I don't
know how to say his name- with the unexpected aid of Maren who agrees to join the stinger
Mantis crew back on Bougaino Cal unlocks the vault but Trilla attacks him and steals the
holocron after Seer reassumes her status as a Jedi and grants Cal the rank of Jedi Knight
the pair infiltrate the fortress inquestor on Mustafar's oceanic moon Noor after battling
his way through the fortress Cal defeats Trilla and retrieves the holocron Seer then attempts
to reconcile with her former student but Darth Vader appears and kills Trilla for her failure
nearly killing Seer and BD-1 unable to defeat Vader the three barely escape from his grasp
with help from from Maren back on the stinger Mantis Cal having realized that gathering
the children would make it easier for the Empire to target them destroys the holocron
believing it to be better for those children to discover their own destinies their mission
complete Cal asks his crew where they should head next
this was such a well done story I couldn't agree more
I loved like one of the big things I love that this is considered canon within this
Star Wars universe like I love everything that's like considered canon like there's
even a like a VR game the Vader immortal that's considered canon and I think I've seen footage
of that I gotta check that out in fact let me write that down yeah um dude seeing Darth
Vader in person freaking intimidating as hell which just kind of makes the the reveal of
him that much more terrifying I mean listen I don't know if we want to get into the very
end of it right away or not but I definitely have some opinions about that ending oh my
gosh I mean we can start at the beginning because like it's whoever like that's the
thing whoever wrote this like they should be given whatever award you get for writing
amazing video games because that like you were sold on Cal and his buddy immediately
you know I mean like they're working on this they're working on this like basically giant
salvage yard and I don't know it's sold immediately that like you like Cal like you want to be
on his side you want him to be able to like protect his buddy and you're just in right
away yeah like the way that they established that relationship was so so good and I love
that they they kind of pushed this thing where his friend what was his name Prof yes yeah
I love how they pretty sure it's them they had him kind of push Cal towards who he was
supposed to be like Prof knew that he was meant for more than working in a junkyard
and pushed him to his destiny as becoming a Jedi Knight and I feel it worked so freaking
well yeah it was cool because I mean listen it's like a it's like a easy trope but it's
funny when it like I like when they work really well because you know it does the thing like
it's it's formulaic in the sense that like you know I gotta hide I gotta I can't protect
I can't be a I can't be a force guy because that would get me in trouble oh no my buddy
is falling and he is going to die I have to reach out and grab him with the force to make
sure that my bud doesn't die yeah dude I thought Prof was going to betray him me too and when
he didn't and he's just like he gave up his life to just like spit in the face of the
Empire I was just like like such a mix of emotions I'm just like yes but then they killed
him and like no but he was killed in kind of a cool way by the second sister that is
absolutely true as well like what was her line well yeah of course and just freaking
just backhanded with her lightsaber right into his gut so wait I gotta know did when
did you guys had you guys ever played this game before and when did you guys like how
long ago do you finish the game I finished it about like two weeks ago yeah and I finished
it about maybe two months ago that's crazy because I finished it I was telling you I
think beforehand like I bought this game I may have even pre-ordered it but I definitely
bought it within the first two or three months of it coming out and I beat it immediately
I think that was like 2019 and I freaking tore through it like it was the only thing
I spent free time on until I beat it and I was like I did it it's amazing I love this
game and yeah like I was telling you before like I when I was trying to like research
again because I didn't have time to play it again I was like I forgot a lot about this
game like this is this was a like a way better game than I even remember yeah it was so good
and I loved like I'm a sucker for like some really well done flashbacks yes so getting
the the flashbacks anytime he was about to learn a new ability I just loved and I loved
how just seamless it tied into the whole backstory of what happened to him during order 66 like
him and his his master and just like learning why he kind of separated himself from the
force for so long he uh what was I gonna say about that man I had a really good thing queued
up and I lost it what was it oh I like that I like when they use like touchstones like
that like order 66 like in a way that like you know like you from the first flashback
with him like you know his master is not going to make it and then when you if you if you
even realize because this game is supposed to take place five years after what is it
revenge of the sith that movie happened so it's supposed to be five years after that
so if you kind of go in knowing that and you see his age you're kind of like oh no like
he is definitely about to get order 66 out of here like this is not going to be good
like he's not going to meet up with his master later like this dude is for sure dead yeah
it's so heartbreaking and I I thought it was so cool the um the like seeing the relationship
that his his master had with him like just seeing that genuine care I forget well because
you don't normally get to see it like it usually we're seeing with human analogs not with aliens
being the ones that are the the masters that have padawans so I think that was it came
through well like how much he cared yeah they did a really good job in making you care about
everyone like all of these characters well that's the thing like what was it all of the
characters ended up like you're it's funny because like his his buddy prof was not the
only one that I was like skeptical of at first like I was skeptical of everyone all the time
I'm like these people are going to screw him over I know it and none of them ever did because
grease I was like this freaking guy because grease and seer you're like these two are
just grifters just going around the galaxy just trying to take advantage of people and
this kid is going to get screwed I know it and then whoops find out nope not only not
but this lady used to be part of the force yeah that was a crazy reveal yeah that was
that and I gotta tell you I liked how I know we're kind of like straying away from what
we were just talking about but like you when you were given the breakdown of it or the
plot of it like I forgot that saw Guerrero was in it and this is just one more of those
things one more of those mediums where like a character that showed up in a main movie
was there for a minute and you were supposed to care about this person because like saw
Guerrero was super old in what was it I wanted I was gonna say the force awakens but it was
rogue one he was super old you were like I mean force Whitaker is a great actor so clearly
he can sell that well but like I don't know like I didn't necessarily care about saw Guerrero
and rogue one like he was just kind of a means to an end and definitely got more depth and
became way cooler like when he started showing up and stuff like fall in order and then eventually
rebels and stuff like that so it's like this this actually is a cool guy this is a cool
character that is again just one more reason why you're like how do the movies not able
to do what even now the video games are doing like the TV shows can do it but when the video
games can do it why can't the movies do it like this yeah dude I love that saw Guerrero
has been in like every iteration of Star Wars like he's been in the in the movies he's
been in Clone Wars he's in rebels he's in this like he's freaking everywhere by the
way force imagine listen here's the real thing imagine force Whitaker just like getting checks
from just all the Star Wars checks like just get some he's like wow I got five checks today
and they were all from different Star Wars properties dude I freaking love that like
I love like the time like I thought saw Guerrero was just like that was I think my biggest
gripe about Rogue One like why do we care about saw Guerrero and then like after I watched
Clone Wars I was just like like where do I know saw Guerrero from like I know that name
and then when I watched rebels and they're just like oh it's saw Guerrero and I'm like
and it like clicked with me I'm just like oh shit and so when we got to see him in this
game I was like I was super pleased yeah that was great gosh and I like part of me kind
of wishes that we would have gotten to see some interaction between him and Darth Vader
because they fought together in the Clone Wars which is wild to think about yeah this
good I had such a hard time like trying to consider what my story score would be like
would my story score be as high if it wasn't for all the other Star Wars content that I've
watched it's hard to say honestly well Rose what did you think like did this because I
know you have not or it seems like you've not consumed as much as me or Caleb maybe
as far as Star Wars goes like it did by the end of this were you like I am sold on this
whole thing or were you like Cal Kestis wasn't he like some kind of fake Joker in Gotham
what is Redhead doing here no honestly I really liked this story I feel it's a very easy Star
Wars story to follow I'm considering it's just them trying to build rebuild the Jedi
and just them having a step they have a that will actually defend the sequel trilogy except
for the last Jedi I hate that movie so much but I will actually defend the Force Awakens
and the Rise of Skywalker I actually thoroughly enjoy those movies Force Awakens is still
my favorite Star Wars movie so like I feel bad that like I don't have when it comes to
like these movies with not these movies this video game with like Saw Gerrera and all this
other stuff when that gives more backstory to these characters even though I don't have
the same knowledge that you guys do and I feel bad like I honestly really do regret
not having seen Rebels or Clone Wars or finishing the Mandalorian I still did have a very enjoyable
time with the story
so you just said a couple wild things just now the Force Awakens no no no no listen I
actually heard someone I actually heard a really good critique of like what the last
Jedi was as compared to I think it was it was the last Jedi and then the Rise of Skywalker
or whatever that last thing was called but like where those like the original trilogy
was like every movie was like yes anding the the last movie the every these these movies
were no budding they were like no but this which was like I think is why they because
that's what it was like Rian Johnson I don't necessarily I go back and forth on whether
or not I like the last Jedi some days I like it and some days I hate it but the reality
is is that what Rian Johnson did was come in there and be like no I'm good like we're
gonna do my thing now and then instead of what's his face JJ Abrams coming in and being
like okay well let me go ahead and take what you did and judo it into something cool he
was like no we're gonna make this helmet again we're gonna put all this stuff together the
Emperor is a zombie Bob's your uncle the the the Skywalkers did it they both got buried
on Tatooine that is a perfect way to explain the difficulty with those two directors with
the sequel trilogy one of my co-workers explained Star Wars in like almost like a the perfect
way that like kind of explaining like why the sequel trilogy doesn't quite work and
they said that Star Wars is about the tragedy of Darth Vader like that is all they that's
like what he said that's all it's about like that's what George Lucas has said it's about
I feel like I think Freddie Prinze jr. said has said that too it's all about the rise
and fall of of Darth Vader and anything after that it's kind of pointless well that's the
thing it's like I feel like the more I think about the sequel trilogy which I we are first
you're not talking about that right now but I'll just say it the more I think about the
sequel trilogy the more I'm like this was supposed to be like the closing of the loop
of the Skywalker thing like we made a real decision we were like the original trilogy
is really gonna deal with the Skywalker's turns out so is the prequel trilogy and the
last one they were like what if it's a ragtag group of nobodies that ends up still being
nobodies at the end wouldn't that be cool but Tatooine am I right we made it I hate
sand it always gets up in your cracks or whatever he says yeah but I think that's like something
that works like why everything outside of the sequels seem to work like Clone Wars works
because it's filling in some of the like of the gaps between like baby Anakin and like
up to Revenge of the Sith and then Rogue One Mandalorian this video game is filling in
kind of what was happening with in between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope because
there's like such a huge gap in between those like there's what like 20 some odd years however
old Luke was yeah I was gonna say well 19 there was 19 years because I think he was
19 or supposed to be 19 in A New Hope but that's what is it's so I don't know it's
what I enjoyed a lot about this game is the same thing it's the same reason why I enjoy
Mandalorian specifically over like Clone Wars or Rebels is because it's it's it's one of
those things where like this this has really nothing to do with the stuff that we know
it's only tangentially related in this that like Rera once and then at the end you know
see the the story as a whole being Darth Vader showing up but really like even if like Darth
Vader showing up at the end of this game was the chef's kiss perfect way to to have like
a main character in a game like this but honestly it all like they could I feel like have gotten
away without really having that only I mean I don't I don't want to see the game that
exists without that ending with Darth Vader but like it was a good enough story that like
it didn't necessarily need like a super big cameo like you could have had just enough
ancillary saga rara types to show up that like I would play another game starring Cal
Castis yeah um one of the the big things that I appreciated about this story it too is Cal
Castis is a character now that we care about and would have no issue seeing where he goes
because he's not it doesn't seem like he's going to interact like with his story it doesn't
seem like he would or have anything to do with like Luke and what he's doing like obviously
he's only like five years old in this game oh yeah like the fact that he had this this
knowledge of other force sensitive children and then destroyed it and it's just like all
right what do we do now like they just kind of opened up this whole kind of Cal Castis
world and like they could tie that into so many things like he could like help Luke with
training like we don't know like how I mean like how long he's going to live because I
mean theoretically he could be he could be an old man mentor like how old was that dude
in the the the old Jedi that went crazy that went ended up going dark dark side you know
what I mean like that dude was super old like it's possible even though like now that order
66 happened and it's at least universally accepted that the Jedi have all been killed
off like unless he goes like super well and out you know what I mean just showing off
all over the place like he could theoretically quietly be training people into an old age
yeah exactly and I thought for a hot minute and I know Rose has like has had this spoiled
for him so I don't feel bad about giving it now but I genuinely thought the Jedi at the
end of Mandalorian season 2 was going to be Cal dude I loved what we saw and I wouldn't
want anything else but a very close second the only thing about Cal showing up is that
would translate as well as like no no no we did tell you the Emperor was coming back we
said it in fortnight like that's that's what people would compare that to even though it's
not the same like it's basically the same thing but I would have torn my own face off
if that kid showed up and was like what's up here to get Grogu let's get out of here
homie and the beer so like they just jump on the ship and dip out like that would have
been amazing I mean but what we got listen what we got is what we needed and what we
deserved but a close second is Cal showing up yeah so I think it'd be really interesting
to see what his future leads to in any capacity that's funny because for a second I thought
you were talking about Grogu and I'm like I too am very interested to see what happens
with that little Yoda man no they open a whole can of worms with Grogu I love that go ahead
I want to know what the relation if there is one between Grogu and Yoda because Grogu
or they kind of established that Grogu was at the Jedi temple during you know what I
just you know what I just realized wasn't there at least one point I know at one point
there was like those Game of Thrones directors were going to get like a they were going to
get to direct a trilogy of Star Wars movies that were going to be set not in the Skywalker
era like that was all they said and there was speculation whether it was going to be
an Old Republic or like a High Republic like way in the future type thing and maybe this
is like part of the groundwork of like yeah they are going to make movies that are set
well in the future and then Grogu is going to show up and be like sup remember Yoda I'm
here now I'm a dab and starts doing tik tok dances I'm pretty sure that that series was
supposed to be like go back in time to Yoda in his prime that sounds right too
Which would be prime what is prime like is prime like 500 years old because I don't know
I wasn't as prime in like episode 3
His prime was pretty dope
For how he was fighting freaking Palpatine seemed like he was in his freaking prime there
It was like some dark side energy
Yeah I feel like the training for that did you guys ever watch the original like live
action Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle movies
Yes
So you saw the one I think it was in 2 where you see Splinter talking about when he was
growing up and he was just in a little cage doing little rat kung fu like that's what
I would imagine Yoda would look like like just ridiculous you're like listen we accepted
this in episode 3 but you have to either know it or not know it we can't see you learning
how to do all your crazy flips bro
Yeah I don't want to see Yoda learning I don't need to know I don't need to see that I need
Yoda I want Yoda to always be the wise Jedi master like I don't need to know that he didn't
know how to pick up a lightsaber off the ground with just a force like just no he's awesome
end of story
So Yoda was not in this game to the best of my knowledge or was wait was he did he not
did he not talk to Cal at some point or am I thinking of another game
I think you're
What am I thinking of where Yoda spoke to someone
I think you're thinking of Rebels when he was talking to Ezra
I you are a hundred percent correct that's exactly what I was thinking of anyway it's
late
Yeah getting back into like how this story went I had such little issues with this story
and I think like we've been super nice to video games regarding the story and it's just
because they have killer stories but this one I I'm just gonna give my score first I'm
going to put it at a 96
Yeah that's where I'm gonna sit because I loved this story and had close to zero problems
with this
Do you want to go next to you or you're doing me too
Sure I was gonna let the bros go first I am number three so I was gonna let you go
But we can break rank for a moment
Now I would say I would give it a 95 because I yeah I agree like it was it was all it was
basically the perfect side story
And it's funny because I will for sure I don't know if I'll be able to have time to go back
and play the whole game but I for sure will probably go back and just type into YouTube
like Fallen Order animatics or whatever just like just basically watch the story through
all the cutscenes
Animatics I would type in Fallen Order cutscenes but yeah it was a good like I would have watched
this movie is the short answer yes it was a great story
Absolutely this would have made a great movie or even a freaking Disney Plus show
A Disney Plus show like we've like yeah this would be a great origin movie yeah I agree
this would have been a great show
And we'll get into it but the guy that plays Cal just like top shelf killer top shelf
So for me I'm gonna go a 91 I feel I probably like I enjoyed the story so so much it's a
very simple Star Wars story to follow you're not gonna get confused if you haven't seen
everything I feel I would have probably like enjoyed
like maybe like little bits more especially with like Saw Gerrera because I've only seen
him in a Rogue One I've never seen him in Rebels so I don't know the full character
but what I did see I did enjoy for what I did understand about the character but just
if I were to able to know like maybe just like a little more couple things that like
were like references to the Mandalorian or to Rebels or even the Clone Wars I feel would
have the story would have been that much more enjoyable even though it was already enjoyable
so 91
Yeah so that brings us to a 94 and your score is completely justifiable like me I feel like
me and DJ are going based off of everything else that we know
Yeah it's hard not to
Yeah and like you you're going based just solely off of what this game is to you having
just seen the Star Wars movies
Yeah
And what little you've seen in Mandalorian
I was gonna say seeing the Mandalorian probably bumped you up into the 90s because I could
see you being like it's a hard 89 for me
That's fair that's fair
Moving on over to writing this one for me is also fairly high probably not quite as
high as the story itself I do feel like there was a lot of over explaining with like oh
shit what's his name
Well by the way that was for Rose like the you know the the player that is Rose that
is like I don't mean that disparagingly I just mean that like there are going to be
people that you know just hear like oh Dark Souls Star Wars game like I like Dark Souls
so I'll just check this out so it might not have even the movie lore so they're like yeah
we just got a really like not because I didn't I never felt like they beat you down with
information but I do feel like some things were a little like all right man we get it
come on let's go let's go let's go slash down some weird frogs or whatever let's go
Right like I think it was just like with Anno Cordova or like I also feel it Rose you could
probably answer this a bit better for me how did you feel about the stuff on Dathomir because
I felt like that's where the dialogue could have gotten like super confusing because even
with the limited things that I know about Dathomir in or from Clone Wars it was like
it kind of got a little convoluted and like I had a hard time kind of keeping track of
things in Dathomir.
That's fair and I would definitely agree with you I was getting a little confused but I
feel for writing aspect they did the best that they could to try to explain it for people
that aren't exactly like diehard well yeah I would say like diehard Star Wars fans because
I mean I know I am definitely not a diehard Star Wars fan like hell I'm like I said still
having Festum Mandalorian never watched Rebels maybe like one episode so for what they were
able to explain yeah I got like a little lost but they were always able to bring me back
to where as it went on I wasn't like okay you guys got to go back and explain that because
if you just keep going like this I'm going to be very hella confused.
So if I'm remembering correctly Dathomir was the Darth Maul people planet?
Yes.
Dude can I just tell you when I was I completely disagree I think that that was like I the
only thing I think was bad about the writing there is I'm like I want so much more of this
like I wanted a whole game of that like I don't need Cal even for that game like I would
love to have a game of all on Dathomir where they are straight like how crazy is it that
they're just like yeah bro we got this stuff it's called magic they're like no you have
the force and they're like nope we believe in witches like what like what is this like
what is this like to me that was one of the cool things where it showed a part of the
Star Wars universe that like you were almost probably never going to get to see you may
we may never see it that way again in any other medium than that but that to me is super
duper cool like I love the idea that they're like nah you guys have this like light and
dark nonsense we have straight up magic only a few of us can do it and we're just clearly
crazy horn people like I don't know I wanted more of that like I would have taken a whole
other like DLC of like we're just gonna just be on this planet for you know a couple levels
yeah it was a pretty solid level.
Did they do any DLC for this game?
No not that I know of.
Just just very much needed updates.
Okay okay.
Yeah I can get behind you like I feel like Dathomir is such a cool idea.
Yes.
Like just the fact that it's run by a matriarchy and the and the men of the that planet are
like looked down on.
They're just like.
Which makes it good.
They're basically like cattle.
Well and to me that's what makes Darth Maul's character now even that much more interesting
because he's like okay I clearly know I got to get out of here because I can do the things
that the people in charge can do i.e. the force.
I need to get out of here and of course of course he's going to go to the dark side like
he's been treated like cattle like that is how he has known his existence to be and he
escapes out of there and I'm just speculating I don't know how he got out of there I don't
know what happened but like it just it cracked the door open like I don't think it went far
enough I don't think it could have there was too much happening in that game but it just
cracked the door open to this this place that you're like this is very interesting and has
a lot of cool implications I think.
If I'm remembering correctly from Clone Wars do you remember his quote unquote brother
that came to find it?
You say that and I do vaguely remember that now.
It has been a minute since I've watched Clone Wars.
So they wanted or I believe it was it was either Dooku or one of the darks or the night
sister or Ventress.
Ventress went back to Dathomir and wanted to get another warrior like Darth Maul because
he's like a legend there and so he she traveled to like their the little compound of men and
found basically Darth Maul's actual brother who came from like the same like herd and
then they they pumped him full of magic voodoo like freaking gave him four steroids and
then he became like another double-sided lightsaber wielding badass and then he went and found
Darth Maul or like kind of revived his mind from being in the in like some hell pit that
Obi-Wan sent him to.
So I don't remember correctly was his brother like go ahead go ahead sorry he was yellow
and sounds right this all sounds right was he like a do you like have like a bruiser
build was he like bigger and thicker I can't remember.
Oh yeah.
Okay yeah I feel yeah I have vague vague memories of with that.
Yeah so now talking through all that I might have just bumped myself back up but I'm personally
going to give writing probably a 92.
Yeah I think I'm gonna have to go one above you and go to a 93 on that one because there
is like again like all the stuff that happens between like I like the I don't think you
have an arc for this for this set of grades but like I like that they gave Greece a little
arc of like hating this dude and he seemed like this frickin curmudgeonly guy but was
actually like you know a sweet dude that was just wanted to do good but just was overly
protective because his you know his crazy former Jedi captain is you know always getting
him into high jinx.
Dude I always felt like he was on the verge of turning Cal into the Empire.
Yes he seemed like he was that guy.
I was so suspicious of everyone the only one that I wasn't suspicious of I mean once she
became part of the team was the Nightsister.
Yeah because you're like she's so mean she has to be on the right side.
It wasn't even that like it became like the enemy of my enemy situation like she hates
the Empire more so like I feel like she's like she's on the up and up for now.
Exactly for now but she was like she wears her personality on her sleeve like it's not
going to be a shock when she's like man I have to kill you now.
And you're like well I knew this day was coming.
Yeah what about you Rose what are you thinking?
For me I agree with all that you guys said writing was super solid really don't have
a lot of problems with it so I'm going to go one point lower than my story score so
I'm going to go a 90.
Alright and that brings us to a 91.6 for writing.
Moving on over to voice acting.
We have Cal Kestis who is voiced by Cameron Monahan.
Grease Dristis who is voiced by Daniel Roebuck.
Seer Junda who is voiced by Deborah Wilson.
The Clone Troopers and the Zeffo Sage who is voiced by Dee Bradley Baker.
Trilla Suduri who is also the second Knight Sister or not Knight Sister the second Inquisitor
voiced by Elizabeth Grullin, Saw Gerrera, Forest Whitaker.
Darth Vader surprisingly was voiced by someone named Scott Lawrence.
Yeah I'm looking at his IMDB right now.
He was somebody in Avatar.
The sorry the James Cameron joint.
I was going to say which one the blue people or yeah.
Then let's see then another one that I feel is of note was Anno Kodorva.
Wait let me I'm sorry I have to interrupt you for this.
Do you know where else that guy voiced Darth Vader?
Vader Immortal.
Boom.
Oh shit.
Dude he does a damn good job.
So there you go.
Apparently there's three episodes of that by the way.
Yeah Vader Immortal.
I've only played the first one and yeah it sounds like he sounds damn near exactly like
James Earl Jones.
Yeah.
Yeah he did it in all three so good for that dude.
He freaking hey guy you did it.
You made it.
You got a job forever now.
Oh yeah that's like Mickey Mouse level of voice acting.
Yeah.
Geez.
Yeah and then the last person I wanted to like just bring up real quick was the Anno
Kodorva who was voiced by Tony Amendola or Amendola.
Hmm.
Yeah so yeah I personally feel like everyone did a super solid job with their their voice
acting.
Yeah none of it felt like it didn't feel I don't know like so to put it in perspective
I just they just had Darksiders for sale on the Nintendo Switch and I bought it and it's
a good game to play but it's like it is definitely I don't know what year it came out but it
was like one of those things where like you can tell they were like all right Caleb here
your lines we need you to say each line three times in three different ways and don't mess
up because we're not doing another take.
Where like these even if they weren't yeah even if they weren't in the same room like
they felt like they were it felt like natural dialogue was happening in this game.
Yeah I think it helps that they did mocap for a lot of this game.
That's awesome.
Yeah I think my only issues were occasionally some of the the action sequences seemed a
little too they didn't seem like they were out of breath enough for what they were doing.
Well who who didn't because like.
What is Cal occasionally it was such it wasn't that often like it's not it's almost not even
worth bringing up it was just like a tad but.
Because my pushback on that would be the entirety of the prequel trilogy because those were
some flipping Jedi's bro and that nary a one of them even cracked a sweat bead on their
forehead.
The only other one that I would complain about was the the night sister.
I think her some of her.
I feel like there was just a lack of emotion.
In the way that she was talking.
Like in moments where she was night or ninth the the night sister night.
Okay sorry just wanted.
Yeah not the the Inquisitor like the yeah the Inquisitor was just kind of like whatever.
I agree I think the night sister whatever name was she was very she was like stale like
good but stale like I think I know what you're talking about.
Yeah it's just like there wasn't too much emotion in things that she was at least the
like the way that the dialogue was going she didn't seem to.
There should have it felt like there should have been more emotion behind it and like
yeah like you said stale that's like exactly how to describe it.
But overall I think they did like a really good job and I'm probably going to I'm going
to sit in a 90.
I'm being yeah that was being nice.
I think I could easily go down to an 89 but I'm going to be nice because I like but I
don't know.
I honestly I think I'm going to go still with 93 only because I agree with everything that
you said but I also think that the thing the people being like the real super main characters
like throughout the whole thing like they sold it in a way that I I think that I think
it can I think I can forgive some of the sins of some of the more ancillary characters not
being as super into it as the people that were I don't know that were the main characters
the whole way through for the most part.
So I would still give that a 93 because I think yeah I think they did a good job.
What do you think Rose?
I would actually agree with you.
I'd give it a 90 cow was amazing.
That voice actor was incredible.
I think like my biggest standouts were the lady who played the second sister was gosh
what was her actual name?
Trilla.
Thank you.
So Elizabeth Grulon.
She really stuck out for me and even though the ninth sister or ninth sister inquisitor
didn't have a lot to do I think Misty Lee did a great job with what she was given.
Yeah I agree.
I think she rated a 91.
I was so on the fence with Trilla as just just kind of as a character as a whole until
the freaking Darth Vader scene like oh my gosh like you could hear the fear in her voice
at that moment.
I'm like I am absolutely sold.
Bro.
Yes.
We got to keep going because we got to get to that scene.
All right.
Like can I just tell everyone listening right now the whole everything the reason I needed
to be on this show was to talk about what Darth Vader the implication of him being in
this game was.
Fair enough.
I'll blame you.
All right so with that our voice acting score has come to a 91.
All right moving on over to character development.
This has actually been one of the better character developments that we've had and I absolutely
will I would put this not quite as high as I would Arthur from Red Dead Redemption 2
which we gave him a 92.
I'm just maybe a hair lower just because like at the end we I still don't believe we've
seen like I don't think we've seen Cal come to his fullest potential yet and that is no
fault of anything.
I think it's just that's just about where I'm sitting.
It would be like a double.
It would be like a whole nother game like you know what I mean like they took him as
far as they could in this game because like you were what I think conservatively people
are saying that this game would take about 25 hours 20 25 hours to complete like the
only way to like make his arc any fuller would be to make put another 20 hours into that
game of like what he does afterwards but that's you know hopefully if fall in order to ever
seize the light of day that's what that'll be but I actually I disagree only because
I think that like not only did he have a good arc but so did seer.
I think that so did grease like even though it was a lot smaller like it was like his
wasn't an arc so much as like a character reveal of like this is who he seems to be
but this is who he actually is by the end because he like he clearly always was the
kind of person or whatever you would say because he's not a human.
He was always the kind of person that would have eventually accepted someone like Cal
because of who he is because he is like at his core a good person seemingly and that
wasn't something that like grease had to come to like that was just something that he was
going to be on board with like one way or the other but he was just very like protective
at first of himself and his ship and everything that was going on and yeah I don't know like
and then even was it it's Trilla that died at the end is that how I'm thinking of yeah
like even like listen it might have it might have only been it was very it might have only
been very small but like it was very very important arc that she had right there in
the last minutes of her life when she was so sure that she was going to like I don't
know be at Vader's side like be you know a higher up in the darker side I don't know
but to see like you were saying like to have her so scared there at the end to just be
you know you could hear it in her voice of like this is happening oh no like I would
give like character arc in this game I would probably give it a 95 overall just because
they they in my opinion did the best job they could sticking the landing on so many different
characters you know what I mean like it was it's not an easy thing to try and give so
many characters even little mini arcs and for it to all kind of not be stupid so I don't
know none of it seemed like unearned or or to like like all right come on we know freaking
this guy's gonna do this let's just get it over with like everything seemed earned by
the end yeah you're absolutely right on all on all those points
did I talk you up
you might have
I'm not I'm not quite at it at a 95 but I think I am gonna go up to like a 93
all right Rose
honestly I don't know what else to say I think you guys killed it with everything that you
said from cowl to even just the slightest character arcs for the smaller characters
yeah the character development in this game was really really good for all the characters
that they were given so I'm gonna go a 92
you know I would have really appreciated if you were like 85
you know what guys 85 by the way also I just want to mention I was thinking about when
you said it even his master you know his Jedi master like he had a nice we got to see a
nice little arc of him like how much he cared about cowl and like that was very important
for him to you know for cowl to make it and be safe so yeah I think we all made some
good choices here today
oh my gosh the scene where he has to like face off against his master in Dathomir holy
shit was that emotional yes that was amazing um I don't know about you guys how long did
you go before you started like attacking the master because I went like at least 10 minutes
of just standing there like I'm not doing it I can't do this you know it's funny I
had this have you guys ever played Bioshock no no it is on my list never mind everything
I'm about to say is spoilerific so forget it anyway I also waited I don't know how long
is you guys know like maybe like two to five minutes um cuz I'm just like okay wait am
I really supposed to beat him up is that how this mission's supposed to go oh no oh so
good all right moving on over to graphics so obviously this is a video game so this
isn't going to be like movie quality effects or or anything so this is just solely based
on how the graphics looked like for honestly game I really only have one big problem with
the graphics in this game and I don't know maybe it's just because of the way that they
did the hair on the Wookiees but just to me the Wookiees looked really weird I can't remember
I cannot honestly remember that's honestly really the biggest gripe I have for the graphics
everything else looked great to the from the lightsaber motions to the flying of all the
ships the atmosphere is such incredible oh my god such amazing detail was put into the
atmosphere of all these levels the biomes sorry I hear people call levels biomes now
and I'm like all right relax that's that we all went to high school yeah I love that you
got like a different landscape with each planet that you went to you can say biomes it's okay
yeah everything looks amazing like it looked it looked like it was in its proper place
you know what I mean like nothing you weren't like what is this animal or plant doing here
you were like ooh this cool thing is happening and what I really appreciated was I still
kind of had a prop this is not well never mind I was gonna say something gameplay I
liked the look of whenever you were fighting especially for whatever reason stormtroopers
just just how those fights looked like how those if you parried at the right moment you
could get this cool little short animatic of like animatic little cutscene why do I
keep saying animatics that's the wrong word you get this short little like it's not even
a cutscene what is it called when like it's just like auto does the cool looking thing
it's like a it's a war like a kill cam god god of war was really guilty of it for a long
time it was quick time event there you go you do get this little quick time event of
like you doing this cool little like I rolled over his back and slid his head off with a
freaking lightsaber like it looked awesome like you'd see like the burns on their on
their arm yeah I don't know I like the I like the ambiance of everything but I really liked
how you you and your saber interacted with stuff too like even like on the train like
in the very beginning which by the way that that like introduction to like having a lightsaber
and jumping around and doing cool stuff when you're when you're on that train and you have
to like slice through all the like little wires or whatever it is like I don't know
like everything just looked awesome yeah you've everything looked amazing with that like I
loved the the rain too like when you're on that train like it just kind of enhanced them
the mood yes made everything just like a little bit more intense made it you made me almost
feel like oh I'm gonna slip when I'm know that that's not how games work unless it is
some games you slip that that is true but it's more like ice like you don't really slip
on water at least not that I've noticed nope you're right so so good um trying to think
anything graphics wise I think my biggest issue was I hated playing with um with the
poncho like I wish they had more costume variations than just the damn poncho I always well there's
one I always say there's one without right yeah it's the it's the jacket and that's it
so I would I always refused to wear the the damn poncho I definitely uh imagined I was
some like uh old west cowboy and I was definitely I was poncho guy all the way I was down for
the poncho yeah I was very much not down for the poncho I think that was like just I didn't
know where else to put my gripe for that oh by the way do a little bit one thing for graphics
that was really cool is when you would go to the like lightsaber workbench like I it's
been a long time since I've like really spent some time like analyzing stuff in game like
I remember like you know playing games as a kid on like Nintendo 64 I'd be like running
around with Mario like looking at all the walls like wow how do they even make this
wall look at that it's a repeating pattern it's crazy like I did that with this game
like I was looking at all like the skins I was looking at the hilts I was like uh looking
at the like just checking out everything like turning it all the way around and seeing how
everything looked I'm like oh I want my I want my saber to be extra custom so uh I don't
know to me that that really helps the the graphics score as well is like if there is
something especially like an old gamer such as myself that can make me stop and like look
at it like that to me is very cool because I'm like past that stage in playing games
now yeah the customization I'm going to just go on and on about it in gameplay because
I do feel like that's a big thing but how all the different designs that they had and
it was so funny like you went on to like design this like super bitching lightsaber and you
can't even like really see it yeah that was that was so funny I thought I had that same
thought of like well I spent a lot of time making this and I can't tell anything but
the color nope nothing um I will say this though when it does come to the color I do
wish that the purple looked better because I went through like all the colors and some
of them you like can't even tell because it's like too light or something or just yeah yeah
like I chose like at the end when you get to like choose whatever color your lightsaber
is mm-hmm I went for one that looked like it was just like white but it ended up being
like cyan and so it was just like a lighter blue and I like I was a basic bitch I just
went with blue the entire time yeah I'm I'm big on that too like I know like whenever
I get extra stuff like that I'm like well that'll be for the second time I play through
this this time I have to do it all blue saber yeah oh my gosh dude with with Vader VR they
have this thing called like a lightsaber dojo and you get to like customize a lightsaber
like you you go through the levels and you unlock different hills you unlock different
like blade colors and whatnot I have like a ton of different colors and I always choose
blue like I always do like one round with a different color and I'm like that's cool
I'm going back to blue like I am such a basic bitch when it comes to that but I mean it's
a classic can't be blue you just cannot be blue no this is green it's so funny my like
my favorite color for like lightsabers has always been blue my youngest brother's favorite
color has always been green and then my other brother likes purple and red that's really
funny because I never had a favorite color like of anything ever like I just never cared
about the color of things so when people asked me what my favorite color was I would just
say blue because I'm like boys like blue who cares but I really didn't have an opinion
and whenever I met Beth her favorite color was purple and I was like oh well I like that
and that's different than blue so now my favorite color is purple just because I'm like oh it's
not blue and this is way cooler than blue anyway so it's purple now even though color
is not like it's nothing I don't hey can we paint walls this color sure it's great I love
it paint it peppermint I don't care that I feel like I've seen that picture where they're
just like so some kid asked me what my favorite color is and I told him I do not have a favorite
color because I'm an adult yeah oh my god I'm a nephew he asked me he's like who's your
best friend I'm like I don't have a best friend he's like what I'm like I just have friends
like I grew up one day and I don't have a best friend I have friends I have people I
like like I don't there doesn't have to be one king friend everyone else falls short
of this person which the bet by the way the the answer I finally gave him because he would
not let up I'm like it's my wife how about that that's my best friend everyone else can
fall into a volcano how about that like even me like even you
I get asked that by my wife a lot like who's your best friend and I'm like you are and
she's like what about Rose and I'm like now he's my bra like I was gonna say that's like
that's like well I got pushed to second place okay now I see how it is I'm just kidding
I'm like bro just like totally beats best friend and she's just like what and I'm like
yeah cuz guess what if you ever leave me guess who's still on my side I can't really argue
with which would be really funny if last minute I was like you know what maybe I'm actually
on Brielle's side but she was right all along oh my gosh that would emotionally destroy
me I would never do that to you all right getting back into graphics overall I don't
think they were like the greatest graphics I've ever seen but they weren't even like
close to the worst I think and honestly this might be the lowest thing I give it it's probably
in like an 80s 87 yeah I would give it a 90 just because I I think I think it has since
been patched away but like I seem to recall there being some weird stuff going on with
cows hair whenever I was playing that game to where it was like it looked extra stringy
and there would be times where like he would move and the hair would like you could tell
the hair was like okay we got to move now so and like I said I think if you played the
game now you wouldn't see that anymore because like I said I think that's been all patched
up but so and that's why I would give it a 90 still because again like you said it didn't
do anything necessarily like extra ordinary but it looked like I didn't I wasn't like
there wasn't stuff that was happy besides the hair thing there wasn't stuff happening
that was so like video gamey that you were like all right come on man let's you didn't
notice any like the pop in stuff or any weird weirdness so I don't know I appreciated that
so 90 I think what's keeping me from a 90 was and I don't know if you guys had this
issue because I had a digital version of the game so like it's like I said I don't know
if you guys had this issue so but anytime it felt random but like it kind of seemed
like whenever things got like a little bit too out of hand like if there were just too
many enemies coming my way I would lose all clarity on cowl like he like everything on
his person would just kind of go fuzzy and then I would defeat all the enemies like it
didn't affect like my game player or anything it was just like if I was like his sleeves
would kind of just get like solid instead of like waiting like they were wrinkled did
you have a thing where it almost looked like he was like phasing like when he would be
moving like it would almost look like like the movement was smooth but you could almost
see it like like trails like a trail on him instead of like just like a normal because
now that you're saying that I am remembering that there was like some weird trail things
happening sometimes yeah it's kind of like that and then like like the details in his
one of his clothes like you know like the like the net the wrinkles in the sleeve or
like on his backpack or whatever it feels like it would just like lose all clarity I
know exactly what you're talking about to the point to where I am actually going to
change mine to an 89 because if that was a problem that was happening when that game
was first coming out and then you just finished that game two months ago that is definitely
something that should have been patched up so no I cannot abide that what about you rose
do you have any issues the biggest one was that wookie thing that's I don't know just
that kind of like really took me out of the area that they were in the game and I think
I do remember what you what you brought up about the like it kind of being a little fuzzy
when there were like too many enemies coming at you so honestly I'm gonna agree with your
score an 87 hell yeah so that brings us to an 87.6 which I mean that happened with everything
like that even happened with the the ship like anytime I would change the skin on the
on the ship or even bd1 like it seemed like it took forever for it to load properly and
then like close-ups on bd would be like super fuzzy by the way we missed talking about it
but bd1 as far as writing goes like that was like spot-on like everything that happened
with bd1 I approve of 100% that was an amazing little droid to add just like the whole unlocking
his memories that was expertly crafted yeah absolutely all right next up we got music
I mean it's like it's yeah it's Star Wars of course it's gonna be good music yeah I
would give it a 95 only because like it is I don't remember where I said it I've done
so much talking here recently but like one of the things I liked about Mandalorian that
I noticed within the first 10 seconds is that it sounded sounded like Star Wars you know
I mean like it was there was no mistaking what this was like you didn't have to hear
the score you could have just hear you could just hear all of like the ancillary stuff
and you would be like oh this is a Star Wars game oh yeah yeah that one's like super hard
disagree with so I'll give it a 95 as well I enjoyed the soundtrack enough and just like
the little hints of John Williams that you would get in there mm-hmm was just so great
and then the use of like going back to it when Darth Vader freaking appears and you
just hear like the like just that the already epic music and then just pans up after you
hear that breath and turns into the Imperial March just like oh shit we are in so much
trouble oh no yeah so I just for that scene alone I'm I'll sit in 95 Rose I'm gonna agree
with you guys yeah 95 I really have no problems with the soundtrack it's a great Star Wars
soundtrack hell yeah 95s all around so that brings our score for music to a 95 hey all
right next up we got gameplay so this is kind of how the game handled just kind of all of
that that fun stuff for me I feel the gameplay was super smooth like can we include like
difficulty here that we felt or is that for something else yeah I would include difficulty
here okay um like when it came to like all the lightsaber fighting um I felt it was pretty
pretty not self-explanatory but um it was pretty easy to catch on wasn't really I'm
not a huge gamer and I had this thing on easy but there were some bosses especially the
um what was that uh one guy that had like the two lightsabers that like shirtless guy
yeah the the mad the mad Jedi uh yeah I had a bitch of a time fighting his ass oh my gosh
too can I tell you the best thing that I loved about this was that you could because I started
on normal but you could like just seamlessly change the uh the difficulty level and that
is how I beat the game I didn't even notice that I love it oh dude I changed I switched
it easy when I was on it's just kind of like the planet with the that weird temple on it
like the Jedi temple and I could not get past this damn frog dude yes I you know what's
funny frog like maybe 20 times and I was just like I'm done like I'm switching the easy
one thing well and that's the thing that I liked is like so the difference between the
easiest level and the hardest level like it doesn't change because I was I was watching
a video on this that doesn't change how much energy they have it changes uh the time the
timing that you have for their hit boxes so basically it just gives you like on easy it
just gives you this big wide berth of like oh you can hit them now uh whereas you know
Jedi master or whatever the high level was like you just had to be like go go go go and
like that though I was gonna say that's why I asked earlier if you guys have played dark
souls because like people will really were like oh this is the dark souls of star wars
and I think the higher levels might have made it kind of like that because I have not beaten
dark souls but I've played through it a couple times and the game is very hard this is this
is definitely a dark souls like this is not a dark souls and you know I know that because
we beat it uh because dark souls is super hard um but like the thing that I liked about
it is like if you are a even if you are like a super star wars fan but you hated dark souls
I think there is still a lot of value to this game just because it lets you switch back
and forth through those you know from easy to hard and even if you're a dark souls person
that doesn't really like uh doesn't really isn't really into star wars but you just like
dark souls games games maybe you just played the bejesus out of dark souls and demon souls
and saraku or whatever all those two games are and you just want something new to play
like I think this can scratch that itch as well because again we talked it's got a great
story so again even if you didn't like star wars I think you could get what you needed
to out of this game if you like that kind of game
absolutely yeah um my biggest gripe with the gameplay was saving sucked
and that by the way that is what like wreckly makes it a dark souls like because how you
would go to those meditation pads and that was like how you saved and how you upgraded
but then the the deal was is like you had to am I mistaken that is how you say it too
right yeah those meditation pads uh but then it would respawn all the enemies like that
is a one for one take from dark souls like you would go to your campfire you'd say if
you'd do whatever uh and then you'd come back so you'd come out of the the fire and then
whoop all the guys are back and you gotta fight everybody all over again uh yeah that
sucks I so with with that like you had to go to the meditation chambers or or the the
meditation circle and then just click on it and then you could like immediately exit and
then that's how you would save but it was like such a pain in the ass like I think the
only time they would respawn was if you chose to do a rest where it would fill up all yeah
where it fill up all of your your health and give you those health cartridges back which
my dumb ass didn't realize for the longest time that that's what you had to do and I
didn't realize you got all of the health packets back so I was like going around like I cannot
find a health pack worth shit like this sucks
well and again like that is the souls thing of it is like dark souls their whole thing
was like we also don't have fast travel the dark souls if you have never played it it
is like uh and you have played skyrim it's like if skyrim was like real because like
it is just unforgiving and it is just uh yeah and as far as that went like I think it held
really true to that where it was like listen we said we told you we were going to be a
souls like and we are just going to lean real heavy onto that and like that that meditation
pad that that you know having to look for them in that way and then not being able to
like fast travel back to your ship when it was like theoretically going to be easier
to just do that uh they at least made that kind of stuff worth your while because you
would go to the end of the level you would find your new force power and you had to now
go back to the ship so that you could go to the next planet but instead of just fast traveling
back there they're like hey this new force power that you got you can now use it uh because
oh look you know how it's so hard to grab a rope when you're trying to jump and grab
a rope and swing across well now you can just force pull it to your hand and swing across
and you're fine uh so it i don't know game i think the game set up like the level setups
and the gameplay i think it all was really good yeah i love and like going along with
that um unlocking shortcuts with your new force abilities like that was perfection um
yeah because they're they're they're there to like do a thing but they're not like completely
punishing you to death they're like listen if you can get this far we're going to give
you a shortcut back we're not going to give you a freaking teleporter but we are going
to make it a little easier for you to do what we what we're trying to get you to do yeah
oh i think everything worked out really well i do feel like they went a little bit ahead
heavy on the things bd1 could do because i mean i don't know about you guys but did you
guys ever like take over droids or like the mind control droids i don't think i want to
it's funny because i want to say yes but i feel the answer is no yeah that was like an
ability i unlocked and was just like oh that's cool i did it one time and then it was like
that's really hard to do so like yeah i never did it because like the way that you had to
do it was you had to it was any enemy combatant droid and then bd1 would jump on it and like
take over its mind so it would attack everyone else but you had to lower their health to
a point where they were practically useless i want to say now that you're saying i think
maybe i did use it more than once but i don't think i use like i am very bad like listen
i was very bad at dark souls like that's why i never beat it because there there is no
there is dark souls and that's the level you play at there is no easy there is no normal
there is dark souls level and if you can't do that well then go cry to your mama and
i am just not very good at like tactical things in games like that like so i think i understood
the value of it at the time but was like i'll never be able to fully implement this in a
way that's going to look cool or be be useful so it just kind of never got used yeah like
i much prefer just the the lightsaber tactic i mean listen i think that this thing this
game talking of gameplay and by the way i'm going to give it i'm going to give gameplay
a 93 i think uh because to me it like almost solves the lightsaber problem uh and i think
it does a pretty good job of it um but there gets a point to where i'm like all right like
this guy is just chopping wood on this dude and for some reason still his lightsaber is
not able to just like crack through homeboys bow staff or whatever like no no no no no
like i i think when when when the fighting is like working perfectly and like you know
what to do with all the enemies like the lightsaber kind of works in a way that makes sense but
if you don't know what you're doing and you're trying to trying to do a lot of parrying or
blocking or whatever you you don't know like the right timing when to hit one of those
like uh those force troopers or whatever it is like it's to me it's still a little like
bro like we know what these things can do they are the one-shot killer like why is this
problem um one of my favorite things to do once we unlock the that the ability was the
the force pull oh my god and pulling like right into your yeah yes i agree sorry that
was a blast i i there was a mission i forget which one it was but it they had these imperial
like hammer things that would just like come and smash like in these pathways and then
they would open up and then like like you know like yes i know exactly what you're talking
about yes and my my go-to move because like there was a like a character at the end of
that that i just like had a really hard time beating so i was always jumping through those
um but i would pull like force pull the storm troopers into like right as it was like slamming
shut these poor bastards yep i think we all did that that was amazing i love doing that
or in and the um uh the like the big troopers the ones in like the black suits um freaking
force pushing those bastards was blast oh so much freaking fun i i'm gonna agree with
actually i might go a bit on the lower just because i was really irritated with the meditation
circles so i'm gonna go in 92 because i felt everything else was like super smooth
um all the customization was great um yeah all that like i thought even the um when you
had to swim like all that stuff worked really well too oh yeah i forgot swimming was a thing
in that it there's one thing on kashik i wanted to talk about game gameplay wise and i forgot
what it might have been when you're controlling the walker and how dope it was yeah but i
think that's more like main mission stuff so there was something else on kashik i forget
what though so oh was it was it when you are trying to leave and then you have to fight
that like at at or not at the uh at st like the chicken walker and you have to like grab
the grab the like little grenades and throw it at them yes yes that was a a pain yeah
it was by the way i had so much trouble with that and then when i finally got it i was
like yes i am a jedi master yeah dude i i beat that on accident like my third time i
have no idea how i beat beat it like i think i i accidentally just force pushed all of
the grenades back at once and it just like insta killed the damn walker and i was just
like oh okay that's awesome there we go yeah um so yeah i'm gonna go a little bit lower
set at 92 so rose where are you sitting at i'm gonna agree with you again um honestly
with every single thing you said especially like you said the um meditation circles just
really ruined it um and that's not only just like a slight part everything else is really
great just that kind of just takes you out of it a little bit yeah all right so 92 that
brings us to a 92.3 all right next up we got main missions so this is all like anything
that like just progressed the story so i think that some of the stuff i said about gameplay
kind of plays into the main mission stuff because like i think gaining the force powers
kind of is a main mission thing or at least now what you call that main mission or just
something that aids to like aids to the main because isn't one of your category side quests
would you call gaining those powers side quests or main missions like when you're doing your
flashbacks and and getting all your your stuff that is i consider that part of the the main
story so like i said it's anything like side quests is basically anything that you do outside
of the main mission so if you're not progressing the story and like for me with this game i
don't feel it had like side missions like oh you can go do this to continue the story
or go do this mission just on the side yeah it was very like you're doing this buddy yeah
so i consider like with with that one i consider the side quests to be like getting all the
collectibles yeah so i don't know i would say as far as main missions go like i liked
the basically the build up to like the the main main mission i guess the what is it the
the setup for the main mission by getting like when you're getting your force powers
when you're you're getting seer and grease and everybody on your side you're you're basically
collecting your rag tag of of people that are like hey you son of a bitch i'm in uh
you know you get the night sister and all that stuff and uh go do your thing like it's
i'm having trouble remembering any actual main missions but i i feel like everything
was very like i never felt bored even when i it would take me forever to get across a
map or whatever or i didn't quite know what i was doing like there was always kind of
enough to do in the in-between time of like whatever the main thing was to do that uh
it always kept me propelling myself forward yeah which isn't really an answer to this
game really could have benefited from was a mini map yes yes definitely or something
anything any kind of um any any kind of like you are here would have been great yeah like
i think the at least the multi-level maps were so hard to like navigate i hate multi-level
maps there's no version of them that's good yeah i think the only ones that i seemed to
like were from like older legend of zelda games but even those weren't super great i
was gonna say and i don't really remember multi-level maps like because even even though
they were technically multi-level like you would have like it would just have that whatever
that one basement level like sectioned out for you it wouldn't be like oh are you on
sub floor one or ten and you're like scrolling through like nah man yeah pain in the ass
but overall like with main missions i think the puzzles they did get progressively more
and more challenging and you kind of had to get creative with your your force abilities
yeah yeah so i i really appreciated that um i struggled so hard with the with the one
where it's like in that that tower and you have to like force pull the the flaming eggs
and like try and burn that damn rope no yes like i i kept throwing it like i didn't wasn't
realizing that water was like destroying it i just kept thinking that i was missing so
i was i kept throwing it i'm like what the hell like why isn't this working dude my biggest
thing was like i was always having to like thankfully i didn't have a lot of moments
like that because i don't know what would have saved me in that moment because i think
like rose like my all my biggest downfalls were whenever i was doing any kind of a boss
fight like i there was always a moment where i'm like i'm just gonna bump it down to almost
story mode and uh hit hit hit and put it back to normal just in case and last hit i won
so yeah i don't know it was yeah i don't know where i was going with that yeah i feel like
the main missions did a really good job at like you said earlier keeping you entertained
um combat was was pretty fun not much else to say about that so i i think i'm sitting
at like an an 88 for main missions just because some of them were like really difficult to
navigate and that was mainly due to like the map yeah i think i would go a rose you go
i want to know what you think um so yeah usually when it comes to games occasionally because
i swear i'm really like like walkthroughs on like ig n or some shit like that just to
see because i get confused as hell i'm like okay i'm not the kind of person that can like
figure out where to go sometimes unless i'm exactly told where i need to go um so with
this game i had to look up the walkthrough a little more than i've had to with other
games in the past just because yeah for the most part i had no idea where the hell to
go next sometimes um but um i mean that didn't really take me out of the uh the the missions
overall i agree with you guys um you never fell bored um all of the main missions flowed
very well into the story that they were telling um so i'd probably say an 88 for me you know
what how about crazy 88s all across the board how about that hell yeah i like it all right
that brings us to an average of 88 for main missions hey hell yeah all right next up we
got side quests which i feel this is where the the game suffered a bit because the collectibles
were a pain in the ass to find yes like when you got them like you know it's funny that
everything else seemed to like customizable that everything was customizable but like
it is funny because i heard this critique too and you mentioned it of like yes the ponchos
were very customizable uh but also like why is the only other option option one jacket
and then more ponchos like give me some more stuff bro like and then there was some stuff
like you to buy ponchos yeah i mean listen i'll buy a uh disney branded cal kestis poncho
if need be um but like there were the things that i did not enjoy is the things i never
enjoy which is too many too many different versions of a poncho i'm like we get it there's
other colors and the thing i always hate which is when they're like you can change your ship
color or ship uh whatever uh and i don't i just i don't know i'm not saying i'm not gonna
rate it too low for that but like because i know people are super into like that level
of customizing but like i am not here to i the ship looks like the ship bro like unless
it's the millennium falcon and it's getting a new satellite on the top i don't care like
just let it go freaking uh warp speed and let's do our thing homie yeah dude once i
unlock the the boba fet color for the ship that's what i stuck with i remember i i think
for me the poncho there was one poncho that i i unlocked i want to say it was like a teal
looking color uh but i don't know i have for whatever reason there was one that like stuck
out to me i remember and i was like oh i'm never i'm never changing this poncho again
why am i even collecting these anymore which that's what kind of sucks when it's like one
thing across the board it's like okay well now that i found my thing why would i continue
trying to find but not going comb through every level to find every stupid poncho because
i found the one that i think looks cool yeah so i think it it just has a hard time keeping
you engaged at least once once you found the one that you like you said that you're going
to stick with the entire game like i think well i think they could have done well if
they did like some clone wars armor or something like well and that that that whole collectible
thing like especially now it has to weird stupid from like early on like you know 3d
games where you're like oh part of the fun is you get to spend an extra you know four
hours of game time getting all the collectibles like we're to a point now to where like if
that is not doesn't serve like a either a genuine purpose or it is like legitimately
something fun to do it is unnecessary so i would i would call that mostly unnecessary
like we didn't we could have just had his stupid repertoire of ponchos on the on the
ship like because first of all do we think he just had those ponchos somewhere like what
are we talking about like he's he just carries around no wonder grease didn't like him he's
like bro you have 25 ponchos you need one
one poncho yeah so i don't know unfortunately i would give it an 85 by the way that is i
would give that a hard 85 just because like even though it looked really cool like it
just to me for the most part was completely unnecessary like that all of that stuff could
have been like you made it to whatever level you've unlocked this this uh tier of ponchos
and ship skins and then the further that you get the more you've just you've done enough
to unlock the ability to have this like you didn't need to look through and find it yeah
and i think finding the um those weird little story bits like i wish that they would have
done a little bit more of like not like a full-blown cut scene for for everything but
like kind of like an in-game moment because like his ability was being able to like see
things that happened in the past based off of like whatever like a force impression so
i wish that was super weird sorry going no i was just like saying like i wish we had
been able to like see like the ghosts of whatever was happening well that's what's crazy to
me is like that that almost seemed like it was a side mission thing but like i've read
about that that's supposedly like a super rare force power to have so like theoretically
that should be something that is like uh that you that you would think we would associate
more with like main mission stuff but it was just kind of like not necessarily an afterthought
but it was like hey uh come here and it looks like go stuff but cool that is cool but like
what i'm reading says that this is way cooler than this game is portraying and by the way
it could have just been a thing of like uh this game is so full like this was a part
of it at the beginning that we meant to flesh out and didn't uh or couldn't for time or
budget or whatever but it just seemed like a cool idea that never really got to see its
full potential yeah and by the way it did get relegated to side quest because even though
it should have been main mission it is basically a side quest yeah i'm gonna go a bit lower
i'm gonna go down to like an 80 for the side quest just because i had such a hard time
wanting to go back to the other planets to do all the collectibles yes because one like
they serve no story purpose like it wasn't something like oh i get to see like everything
happen in order it was always in some random order and then if i wanted to see what the
whole story was as a whole i had to do like a just a shit reading so i had a hard time
like feeling the motivation to do that so yeah if i couldn't defeat it while i was there
or if i couldn't do all the collectibles while i was on that planet i was not going to do
it yeah okay all right what are you thinking ana for me i never really pay attention to
side quests in like any game most most of the time i'm just go straight through the
story and usually i never go back to that to the game after that i'm never really looking
for like the little things that you need to pick up that kind of stuff so that was definitely
evident in this game and from what you guys talked about yeah it seemed like it was a
pain in the ass um like i never really went for a different kind of poncho never just
i don't know like i was basic with this game i didn't really try to branch off to the side
missions um so and i i'd probably go same for you 80 by the way in stark contrast have
either of you guys ever played shadows of mordor no no bro let me tell you something
about one of the coolest games that i've ever played it has like because i am side quest
magoo like i love like skyrim is great for me because they're like you could play this
game for 10 days straight and not do one main mission like i am all into stuff like that
shadows of mordor is like this weird like open world uh like assassins creed game set
and like lord of the rings era uh but like not in the lord of the rings like the movies
lord of the rings like basically almost like right after golem becomes golem like uh i
only say that as a touchstone like golem barely has anything to do with the story but uh or
is it way before or way after it doesn't matter it's not set in normal lord of the rings times
that you know from the movies um but it has this really awesome mechanic that i think
both of you would very much enjoy where like if you fight like one of like the the goblin
hordes or whatever there's like a like there's always like a captain right so the after you
fight all of like the the i don't know all of his little minions the you'll fight the
captain he's extra hard and if you if he kills you he will remember that and so if you come
to him again he will be like ah i remember you and like he'll be a little bit harder
to because he's like oh let's get him boys like it is or if you beat him it's like the
opposite it's like uh you know people will remember you in that area they're like oh
my god it's it's it's homeboy that's coming to to kill us all like i don't know like the
fact that this this fallen order had like such terrible side missions like it makes
me think of games like that or i'm like oh this is i i want to explore every inch of
this place and i want to just do it over and over again like it's so good that sounds awesome
it's an amazing game it is like that game shadows of mordor and the surprisingly enough
the mad max game that came out for like xbox one and playstation 4 and all that those are
like two really big like sleeper games that like i'm telling you everybody slept on these
games and they are two of the most amazing games i've ever played i love shit like that
like i love getting lost in the side missions like yeah yeah rose i know with red dead redemption
two you just kind of like powered through the story yeah i the game took me like six
months to beat because i was going through all of the side missions and every time i
checked on like i was playing for like three months and rose was like hey how far are you
into the game and i'm like i'm not sure and then i like i checked online that was like
30 percent through i'm like oh shit so i started doing more story based stuff but you just
i love games where you just get lost in the world so that sounds like a game that's like
right up my alley yeah both of those games shadows of mordor and mad max they are super
side missiony that you definitely do not have to follow the main path and they are super
good highly recommend all right i'm making a note of that
all right so our final side quest grade came to an 81.6 percent um so last up we got our
own personal scores for this movie it's a game perfect cut print reviews done we know
yours is going to be high it was so good you thought it was a movie yeah so i i'll start
off the i'm personally sitting at maybe in 94 i love this game it is so much fun this
is actually one that i would not mind going back and replaying which is a kind of a big
deal because like i feel like my go-to game is skyrim um so having one that i feel i mean
not replace skyrim but just be another one that i go back to to replay like i have a
blast with that and yeah like the combat like was was killer like there was so much that
was so good about it but i think what sold me on this was the story overall and how it
tied into the bigger star wars universe and me accidentally become a big old star wars
nerd because i needed something appropriate to watch in front of my daughter that's hilarious
so yeah i'm sitting in 94 highly recommend this game you're going to be friends okay
for me um yeah i agree with everything caleb said this is a really really good star wars
game the story is incredible it's very easy to follow if you're not a diehard star wars
fan you're not going to get lost in the lore and even if you kind of do they do explain
very well what's going on if they kind of fill in the gaps if you get a little confused
very well um the gameplay is great lightsaber dueling is fantastic um yeah i don't really
have a lot of grips with this uh game very very enjoyable star wars game so i'm going
to go a solid 90 i probably could have included what i'm going to say in uh character gameplay
or something but uh to be quite honest i forgot somehow uh but i'm going to give this game
a 98 uh and this game was going to get a 98 anyway i mean we've talked it to death about
what this game uh you know how good this game was what its strengths were but to me this
game was worth the worth the price of entry to see darth vader be as scary as he is supposed
to be like you see him even when you see him in the in the original trilogy like everyone
is like you know they cower at the name of darth vader and you're like this slow moving
guy that just kind of chokes people that's weird but you see darth vader as this like
jason vorhies just gigantic thing that is like he's already scary and then like the
literal world comes crashing down in uh onto cowl like it is we've got to get out of here
run away and it seems like this freaking unstoppable force is after them because you know kalas
you know he seems to be pretty strong in the force and then uh old homeboy shows up and
is like i will crush everything that exists like not just the material but like the molecules
like i will make everything uh bow to me like it is just it is just so good like it is it's
how we should be we should be darth vader should not be a cool character darth vader
should be white especially when he's in the suit like he should be this terrible horrible
thing that we all fear because he's a bad person uh and this game shows that like to
a t it's perfect i love it uh this game gets a 98 for me so good i'm hoping with future
star wars content especially um the obi-wan series i want to fear darth vader yeah i mean
he is a he is a uh an entity to be feared like the only literally the only person that
can see any good in him is his own son and that is it so i mean it's yeah he he that
is how he should be portrayed like the what is it the end of rogue one is rogue one am
i right yeah like that is that's it like that is yeah it's i can't say enough about it also
it's very late and all words that i used to know are gone now i just know how to say wow
good great neat
all right well with that our personal score for this game has come to a 94 and all of
that concludes this breakdown our third 50th segment breakdown for episode 200 and the
final all bros and untrained i letter grade for star wars jedi fallen order has come to
a a minus a i think that's a good spot for that agreed yeah same here so it is sitting
at a 90.86 percent which puts it 0.8 higher than red dead redemption two all right i'm
out nope yeah well here okay listen if you want some real hot takes uh red dead redemption
two to me is it is always going to be number two to red dead redemption like red dead redemption
is in my estimation one of if it's not the greatest game ever made it's definitely in
the contender arena for best game ever and seeing uh old what's his face you see an old
johnny marsh in red dead redemption two just reminded me that i don't want to play this
game i want to play red dead redemption uh not that it's a bad game i'm just saying like
seeing marsh in that i was or marsden whatever his name was i say i love this game so much
i don't even know his name john marsden uh yeah i i almost wish that they i mean i know
you had to see him but i didn't want to i was like don't show me this guy like i know
this guy i like his story uh don't show me him because i just want to go play that game
now that's fair i mean i don't know sorry sorry to get to like red dead talk but i don't
know i never i've actually never played the first game i've only just seen like a couple
of clips and just know the the story of it so to me red dead two is my favorite one of
the two it's one of my favorite games ever made i freaking love that game to death i
will defend that game to my deathbed um so listen you're not wrong listen anyone whose
first game is a red dead redemption game whether it's one or two i've got to imagine it's going
to be their favorite so it just so happened that i've read dead redemption one was my
first one none that's fair i really need to sit down and play that one i really do if
you ever do well i'll just say this there is something that happens by the end that
the end of that game like even an after credits thing that happens um a gameplay thing that
happens that uh i'm not gonna lie like i'm glad i got the backstory on how we got to
like uh where red dead redemption started basically but i would have much rather than
gone into the future than back into the past that's all i'll say and i think i know exactly
what you're talking about yeah so anyway fair enough yeah i think red dead redemption two
would have gotten a little bit higher or it would have been higher if it weren't for the
gameplay issues that we had with it because other than that like they were pretty even
on their scores not like exact categories but like just kind of across the board they
were pretty even but what said fall in order apart was the better gameplay all right fair
enough i'm still out though yeah so anyway that that's it with this breakdown so
episode two everyone yeah be sure to join us for 250 do we know what video game we'll
be breaking down then we sure as hell don't i thought we were going to do guardians of
the galaxy i thought well i thought we were like that was kind of like at the top spot
but like if anything else like we were more interested in came up we were going to maybe
get at that point okay yeah we have like a year to decide so yeah we we got a little
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listen we don't have to get into it because again i'm about to turn into a pumpkin
but did you watch the matrix reloaded um i actually haven't had the chance to yet um so
i'm gonna have a double movie marathon with the second and third you you absolutely have to watch
the second one to watch the third just so you know yeah i yeah i've had a feeling i'll be very confused
yeah i'm interested to know your thoughts too on on matrix too because again like i'm talking to
people like literal over a decade younger than me so i would love to know what you also think of like
what is this thing why do people like this no i'll be sure to give you my thoughts uh just like a
brief briefing of number two when we do number three next um yeah next week um so yeah that's
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that was so good well the fourth host you know you know how we do
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