What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we are actually in the same room.
Hails to the yes.
For the next two episodes actually.
Oh my gosh.
I forgot about that.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Next two episodes we will be side by side once again.
But anyway we are a couple of aspiring filmmakers that love to watch and critique movies but
also enjoy a lot of the nerd life.
This week on the All Bros Podcast we got nothing for 4K Spotlight unless you really care about
those two evil Jack Frost movies.
There's an evil Jack Frost movie?
Dude yeah.
They're so bad but they're so good.
I haven't seen the second one but the first one is so bad it's so good.
Noise.
We gotta have like a VR movie night.
That would be dope.
Shit sorry.
So yeah besides that nothing for a 4K Spotlight.
Through the wall we got a new trailer to talk about that was teased at the end of the movie
that we're going to be breaking down.
Spoiler alert.
Yep.
Huge spoiler alert.
And then after that we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be
our breakdown of Spider-Man No Way Home.
Yes.
So let's get started.
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Alright so with skipping over 4k spotlight with Through the Wall we got our first tea,
I think they called it a teaser trailer.
It definitely felt more of a teaser.
Yeah, even though whenever someone calls it a teaser trailer I'm like but it's two minutes,
usually teaser trailers are only like a minute.
True but it's also like what did they really show us.
That's fair.
But so of course we're talking about the teaser trailer for Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
of Madness which basically this trailer was the end credits scene to spoiler alert.
I really, yeah I kind of like move the spoiler.
Yeah well at this point in time, so we're using this one because it officially came
out today right?
Yesterday.
Yeah.
As of when we were recording this.
Yeah so it came out on the 22nd.
Yeah so I don't think it's much of a spoiler saying that it's the end credits scene of
No Way Home because it's just like okay it got officially released, everyone who's going
to see it has seen it, at least this trailer.
So it's like okay I feel like No Way Home has passed the, at least that spoiler.
I think as long as we just keep from talking about anything else we're good.
Got it.
So yeah if you guys didn't see Spider-Man No Way Home, which if you didn't what the
hell is wrong with you?
Yeah it's only the biggest movie in the world right now.
Dude seriously if I didn't go and see it I would have been spoiled from it by TikTok.
Are you serious?
But there is like so many like key points of the movie that literally every other video
someone filmed it and it's showcasing it.
And someone even made a video it's just like you do realize that you posting that shit
like the FBI sees that shit that you post like you're gonna get in trouble for it.
I hope you guys know that.
I feel like the FBI has bigger problems.
Okay that's true but like you know how like some people say no good deed goes unpunished?
Yeah.
I'm just saying you never know it's gonna come back to bite me in the ass.
I freaking hope it does.
Like I do not give two shits if the FBI comes and raids your mother's basement.
Yeah I just found it funny that in the um god what is it the ex- well actually I don't
even know if that was in the extended cut or if it was just the deleted scene but in
like Ghostbusters the 2016 one they make fun of like a guy that's like filming them after
like them capture I think it's after they capture the like concert ghost and I think
Abby Melissa McCarthy's character is just like oh go back to your to your to your mom
go back to your mother's basement and he's just like my mom's on vacation thank you very
much so technically it's my house this week or some shit like that.
It wasn't funny but anyway getting getting back to the actual damn trailer we're talking
about.
So Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
Damn do I hear evil Dr. Strange?
Like I'm willing to bet that's the what if Dr. Strange.
Everyone's just like oh my god what if is actually becoming canon.
Well they said it was.
Oh they did?
Yeah.
Oh.
They said that I mean it's the what if is technically a multiversal story.
Oh okay that's true.
So they're just like in this universe in this universe and so yeah I feel like like I feel
like someone pointed out anything that has Marvel Studios attached to it is MCU canon.
Okay.
And so that's how they justified what if oh this is just a multiverse thing like the what
if is just like oh we can go and see what that would have happened because there are
infinite numbers of universes.
Okay okay yeah that makes more sense.
So yeah so that's why they're saying that the that Dr. Strange or the what if Dr. Strange
is is canon and they did say that a lot of the the the what if characters are going to
be coming be in play.
That honestly makes me happy because that episode of what if with Dr. Strange is still
my favorite one.
Really?
Yeah I love it.
It just gets so freaking dark and the way that when he's literally pushed to the like
breaking point and he's talking to the watcher because he actually knows who he is and that
he's there and he's just like come on please you gotta help me fix this and he's just like
no you're you're I gotta make you suffer for how you broke reality.
I don't I I don't feel it was the watcher making him suffer I feel like it's just like
the this you're suffering the consequences of your own actions like I took an oath to
not interfere and so that's what I think is going on.
Yeah that's a good point but yeah I freaking love that episode so much.
Dude it's such a good episode.
Dude I would love to see the watcher take or come into this movie.
Dude but they still gotta have Jeffrey Wright voice over.
Oh absolutely.
I'll have Jeffrey Wright actually play him.
Like come on.
I wouldn't be upset about that at all.
Yeah we got let's see like I feel like we got a decent amount of story so he Dr. Strange
goes to meet Wanda some in some like vineyard looking thing.
Yeah which is a little bit weird because she kind of went like is that where she was at
the end of WandaVision.
I mean she was in like a woodsy area that's all I remember.
Okay so not quite like what we saw.
Yeah unfortunately but okay so yeah she goes and like gathers her because he needs help
with the multiverse.
Actually he knows what the hell happened at Westview so kind of makes you think hey Sorcerer
Supreme ain't doing his job.
Oh actually he's nope.
Close call right there.
Oh shit.
Gosh I hope that didn't give it anything away but okay.
I apologize for those of you listening to this episode that haven't seen No Way Home
yet.
I almost let something slip but no we're good.
Are you shitting me?
I thought I turned that bastard off.
It doesn't look like it's picking it up.
I know if we if you have shitty quality where I'm filming in my sister-in-law's basement
and her AC just turned on so sorry.
Who the hell has an AC that loud I'm just saying.
Just everyone.
At least the one in my house in Georgia is.
Apparently I don't notice my own AC.
Well your AC unit's probably outside.
That is true it is.
Yeah so that's probably why you don't hear it.
I enjoy living in an apartment.
Yeah mine's built into the damn structure.
Fuck you.
Yeah it's like right next to my bedroom too.
I mean it's nice because like it's white noise but.
Okay yeah.
I feel that would get annoying after a while at least.
True yeah so Dr. Strange goes to collect Wanda says that he needs help with the multiverse
and then it just kind of ignores her from then on and then.
Yeah I was kind of like wait what the hell.
And then it kind of so mortos back from the first Dr. Strange dude he looks so cool.
Dr. Strange is rocking a more comic accurate robe which looks really cool.
I wasn't sure they'd be able to get that to look as crisp as it does but it looks freaking
dope.
It does but I mean come on Benedict Cumberbatch can pull off like literally anything so.
You're not wrong.
And yeah so he goes into the multiverse or is traveling through the multiverse.
You get to see a little bit of Wong.
You get to see a little bit of America Chavez which is pretty cool.
Apparently her power is punching through universes.
Well that's cool.
So that's probably how she comes into play with Dr. Strange.
I find it funny that Wong keeps switching between longer hair and then going back to
buzz cut hair.
Can he just pick one god damn it.
Let's see what else do we get in this.
And apparently so morto it's so interesting listening to morto talk because it sounds
like he's like he doesn't want to attack strange but he's going to.
Because he poses a threat to the multiverse and says that strange is the biggest threat
to the multiverse.
And then and then super reveal to what if Dr. Strange.
Yeah what does he say things have gotten very much out of hand or something like that.
Something like that yeah.
He has like like an evil smile like oh yeah.
Yeah I hope we get to see his evil cape.
I hope so too.
That'd be so cool.
Yeah other than that not too much to report.
I mean there was a couple Marvel monsters that we saw.
I feel like the biggest point of this movie spoiler you know just not really a spoiler
alert but kind of so five four three two one.
Definitely a huge plot of this movie is going to be Dr. Strange answering for what he did
in Into the Spider-Verse.
Yes and also damn it I'm starting to think we should have put this at the end.
Yeah we should have.
Well.
All right whatever if you're listening past this point like whatever.
Spoilers galore.
Spoiler alert.
Spoilers from now on.
Yeah just about this trailer and how it ties into the No Way Home movie.
So if you listen past this point it's your own damn fault.
No what I was going to say.
What was I going to say.
Every week man.
Oh man I just completely forgot what I was going to say because I went on and on about
spoilers.
Shit oh OK.
Now remember it's I think this is going to be really interesting because at the end when
he cast that spell he doesn't remember or he won't remember that he cast that spell.
That's true.
That is.
Or wait would he.
I don't know.
Be OK.
Well that is true.
Because if you think about he when he was talking about having cast the spell before
with Wong and Wong's he's like hey you remember this big ass party that we had and Wong's
like what.
And he's just like yeah exactly.
So strange remembers that that party.
So he would have remembered casting that spell so maybe he remembered casting.
So he remembers this spell but he doesn't remember Peter Parker slash Spider-Man.
Yes OK.
Interesting yeah thing to think about.
And I think that just affected the writing score.
So just kidding.
Hopefully they explain that like what he remembers.
I hope so.
Honestly considering Sam Raimi's directing this and how much he loves the Spider-Man
the character Spider-Man I'm sure he's going to make it make it work as to why Strange
remembers the spell but just not Spider-Man.
Yeah.
I mean this has been out like what two days and I feel like the rumors are already freaking
flying in with this one.
Have you heard some of them.
I haven't but it doesn't surprise me that they're coming in so broad.
Yeah one of the big ones is they think that this is going to be the first time that we
see Wade Wilson.
That would be amazing.
Right.
OK.
I'd be down for that.
I'd be so down for that.
I'd pull in Doctor Strange too.
That'd be so dope.
Yeah.
So we're going to get hopefully an appearance from him.
Apparently Andrew and Spidey or and Toby are aren't done donning the suits.
So yeah whether they tie that into something further down the line or tie it into multiverse
of madness or whatever the hell they do with that one.
So that's going to be crazy interesting that just the idea of the multiverse and all that
they can do with it is insane to me.
Yeah.
Dude after this movie I don't know to me like I love I've loved Space Force so far.
I really have had no problems with it but after No Way Home and introducing the multiverse
I feel there's like nowhere to go but up now.
Yeah.
But I hope with opening up the multiverse that this kind of opens Marvel up to doing
more one off movies or at least starting like doing like micro trilogies or not micro
trilogies just trilogies like hey we have this character we want to do a story on.
Here's his trilogy or however many movies they want to make with that character and
then done and just be like that's the end of his story in this universe or whatever.
Yeah.
Like I would love to see a trilogy with Spider-Man 20 99 like a live action version of that.
That'd be sick.
Just saying with like other different dimensional characters.
Can we get a trilogy of Spider-Ham.
That would be cool.
I was also thinking maybe like dude what I think would be really cool is doing the Mephisto
not Mephisto.
What the hell is his name.
The Maestro storyline.
Yes.
Like do an old man an old man a Hawkeye story with Maestro as the villain.
Dude that would be sick.
That would be dope.
I'd absolutely be up for that.
Yeah that would I feel like that would be a huge challenge for Mark Ruffalo to access
his inner bad guy because I've never seen him play a bad guy or like a douchebag.
One time I can think of is and now you see me and he really wasn't that much of a douchebag.
Not really.
That's all I got from Mark Ruffalo.
Yeah but I feel like this movie is going to just set the president for the rest of the
damn MCU.
Yeah.
At least moving forward and I hope that they do right by it and I hope that like with opening
this up because if you open up the multiverse that opens you up to a ton more stories and
if you just are like okay we're like I hope they don't open it just to close it.
Yeah but yeah that's fair.
Like I want the multiverse to stay open and then just travel like have us travel through
and then you don't have to worry about telling these big ass overarching stories like the
Infinity Saga.
True.
Like with that one everything had to tie into everything and if it didn't people got pissed
and so multiverse I feel just opens you up so much more.
It gives you so much more breathing room because then if someone's like oh this is a plot hole
nope different universe bitch.
Because I would totally have the exact same reaction to a stranger.
If I'm like sitting in the movie theater and they bring up that I'm like nope bitch.
Hell yeah.
So I have real high hopes for this movie especially after No Way Home which ugh.
I have high hopes especially that Sam Raimi is directing this.
I'm just happy to see him directing another superhero film.
Yeah I will say I am a little bit concerned because at least from how Spider-Man 3 turned
out it doesn't seem like he's great with ensemble but hopefully he's getting a lot of like hopefully
Kevin Feige is pulling on the leash a little bit.
I see I mean because I've seen so many videos of what went wrong with Spider-Man 3 and I
mean I'm sure you already know that Sam Raimi never wanted to put Venom in there he only
wanted it to be Sandman and Harry's Goblin.
Are you shitting me?
Yeah.
Oh did you not know that?
I did not know that.
So Raimi never wanted to include Venom because he didn't so Raimi only wanted to use Spider-Man's
villains that were introduced when he was kind of a younger kid so like Green Goblin,
Doc Ock, Sandman he actually even wanted to bring in Vulture like for like Spider-Man 4
with Spider-Man 3 he only wanted to focus on Sandman and Harry's Goblin but just because
he didn't understand the character of Eddie Brock didn't really know where he came from
and all that because he was mostly basing what he knew off of when Venom was first introduced
and from what I've heard when Venom was first introduced it was kind of like a hit and miss.
He wasn't as good as he was today in the comics.
That explains so much about that movie.
So basically I don't know Raimi kind of like not wrote his own Eddie Brock but kind of
like what he understood of the character and yeah just Sony wouldn't budge with putting
Venom in so he had to and that's why we got the Venom that we did in Spider-Man 3 so yeah.
Bummer.
Yeah so.
That's so disappointing.
See it's really not Raimi's fault it's Sony for putting Venom in.
That's fair because the only part of Spider-Man 3 that I didn't like was the Venom aspect
of it.
Yeah and that was never Raimi's intention.
So okay.
You know what Sam Raimi yeah I'm on board.
I am absolutely on board.
Yeah freaking A. Sam Raimi just accidentally got redeemed on this show.
There we go.
Alright score excitement level out of 10.
I am at a solid 8 with this one.
Like I'm excited it's MCU kind of bumped me up a little bit higher especially after this
movie or after No Way Home definitely bumped me up a lot higher just because I'm super
excited to see what they do moving forward.
Again we didn't get a whole lot of what the story is going to be which is just kind of
a staple for Marvel now.
Yeah you're not wrong.
So hopefully we get some more good content out of this.
Maybe get a couple more reveals.
Like I would love to see them confirm some of the what if characters.
That would be so cool.
I would really appreciate that.
Yeah that would be so cool.
I am also sitting at Nate.
I'm honestly the biggest thing I'm excited about with this movie seeing Benedict Cumberbatch
back is Doctor Strange because I freaking love that guy.
He's an amazing actor and he was born for this role.
And of course I'm excited to see Elizabeth Olsen back as Scarlet Witch or Wanda whatever
you want to call her.
Seeing them work together is going to be really cool.
And I'm actually really excited to see Mordo.
Yeah he didn't really get a lot to do in the first one.
He had a decent amount.
I mean he was kind of like the trainer to Doctor Strange.
And then became like a sidekick to him in a way and then turned against magic in general.
Which is kind of really cool.
Oh yeah it was.
So yeah I'm very interested to see where they take his character and then I'm always excited
to see Wong.
Freaking love the guy.
Oh my gosh.
Wong's great.
He is.
Like I feel like Wong is like the new Agent Coulson.
Yes that is a perfect comparison.
Yeah that is perfect.
So yeah 8 as well.
Well that's it for where we got.
God wow.
That is it for what we've got with Through the Wall.
What do you say we move on to our headliner?
I say let's do it.
Alright so with this week's All Bros headliner we'll be breaking down the second I think
yeah second highest.
God wow.
The second biggest box office opening of all time.
It was third for like two days but then it turns out that it actually beat Infinity War.
No shit.
Yeah 260 million.
Oh damn.
Yeah so this is just behind Avengers Endgame for the highest box office opening of all
time.
That is insane.
Yeah so if you couldn't guess Spider-Man No Way Home that is what we'll be breaking
down on this week's headliner.
Caleb would you like to tell the good old folks on this interweb how we break down a
movie?
Hell yeah.
Alright if you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final All Bros and Crash and Taz
movie seller even though Vic is not here to join us.
His scores will count for like his scores will count for the movie but I guess his appearance
doesn't really or won't technically count.
So he's so him and DJ might actually be one episode ahead of him after all this.
Oh shit.
It's getting intense.
Yeah we'll have some some clips and whatnot of Vic hopefully giving his opinions on the
movie and we'll throw him in randomly so yeah.
So anyway the eight different categories that we are going to score today are story, writing,
acting, character development, effects, music, costumes and then give it our own personal
grade at the very end.
All of that magic gets added up together and we get a letter grade at the very end and
that will be our All Bros Crash and Taz official score for this movie.
Single fat spoiler alert for this episode.
If you've seriously if you haven't seen it yet guys considering it's been now god what
like almost two weeks now well when this episode releases and if you and you've been able to
avoid spoilers for this song god speed to you because oh my god I don't know how you've
done it.
Yeah no shit.
No well the spoiler I was talking about Vic decided to give this movie 100s across the
board.
He's a little bitch.
Look Vic I get it this movie's great.
Spoiler alert.
But come on man you're supposed to be a critic here you got to critique it a little bit.
That's exactly what I was thinking too.
I'm like you can't do that.
But apparently we can't convince him otherwise so that's why we're here.
We're here to tear this movie down.
Vic is a little spider man bias I'm not going to lie.
I know freaking Spidey whore.
Hey I'm a Hawkeye whore and even I'll admit I have some problems with the Hawkeye series.
That's that's I'll give you that and I'm not completely guilt free.
I'm a bit of a Hulk whore.
No shame no shame.
But even you'll admit that you're not a fan of what they've done to him in the MCU.
I freaking hate what they've done to him in the MCU.
Don't get me started on that dude.
Another episode.
When She-Hulk comes out I'm sure we'll hear Caleb's thoughts on how they handle Hulk in
that one.
They better.
Oh I almost said a real bad word.
Fix him.
Damn it we were so close.
Dude one of these days I'm going to slip.
We were so close to hearing Caleb say the upward.
So close.
Alright anyway if you have not seen Spider-Man No Way Home and have chosen to listen to past
this point we are about to spoil the entire freaking movie for you.
So if the internet hasn't done it for us or for you.
Go on TikTok because it will do it for you.
Yeah that will do it too.
Go on Instagram go on freaking Facebook for all I care.
You'll find spoilers anywhere now so I don't think it's going to be much of a surprise
when ours comes out and you're like you spoilers.
I find it funny that literally YouTube it's hard to find like any release clips actually
because they're freaking good.
Yeah but yet on TikTok I feel like I could watch the whole damn movie.
Dude you probably could with all the clips I've seen.
Like right.
Like I've seen clips of the fight between Doctor Strange and Spidey.
I've seen clips of like the main reveal.
Yeah.
I've seen clips of all the freaking main reveals.
Clips of that main reveal like don't get me I love seeing it still but I'm just like oh
my god.
Like we get it.
The next time I wanted to see it again was in theaters.
I didn't want to see it on a damn small screen.
So anyway Rose is about to read the entire synopsis for this movie.
So like we said spoiler alert you should have kind of figured that out from this episode
title.
Alright so after Quentin Beck frames Peter Parker for murder and reveals his identity
as Spider-Man Parker his girlfriend MJ best friend Ned Leeds and Aunt May are interrogated
by the Department of Damage Control.
Lawyer Matt Murdock gets Parker's charges dropped but the group grapple with negative
publicity.
After Parker MJ and Ned's MIT applications are rejected Parker goes to the Sanctum Santor-
Sanctorum.
Sanctorum thank you.
You asked Stephen Strange for help.
Strange suggests a spell that would make people forget Parker is Spider-Man.
Parker repeatedly requests alterations to let his loved ones retain their memories which
corrupts the spell but Strange contains it and makes Parker leave.
Parker goes to convince an MIT administrator to reconsider MJ and Ned's applications but
is suddenly attacked by Otto Octavius.
Octavius rips Parker's nanotechnology from his Iron Spider suit which bonds with his
mech- god- mechanical tentacles and allows Parker to disable them.
As Norman Osborn arrives and attacks Strange teleports Parker back to the Sanctorum and
locks Octavius in a cell next to Kurt Connors.
Strange explains that the corrupted spell summoned people from other universes who know
Spider-Man's identity and orders Parker, MJ and Ned to find and capture them.
As Parker captures Max Dillon and Flint Marco Osborn reclaims control of himself from his
split Green Goblin personality.
He goes to a feast building where May comforts him before Parker retrieves him.
While discussing their battles with Spider-Man Osborn, Octavius and Dillon realize that they
were pulled from their universes just before their deaths.
Strange prepares a spell that will send the villains back to their respective universes
but Parker argues that they should first cure the villains powers and insanity to prevent
their deaths upon their return.
Parker steals the box spell, traps Strange in the Mirror Dimension and, with May, takes
the villains to Happy Hogan's apartment.
He successfully cures Octavius with Stark Industries technology but Osborn's Goblin
persona takes control and convinces the uncured villains to betray Parker.
As Dillon, Marco and Connors escape, Osborn fatally injures May who tells Parker that
with great power there must also come great responsibility before dying.
Ned discovers he can create portals using Strange's sling ring which he and MJ use
to try to locate Parker.
They find Peter II and Peter III, alternate versions of Parker who were summoned by Strange's
spell.
Ned and MJ find Parker and comfort him while the other Parkers share stories of losing
loved ones.
They encourage Parker to fight in May's honor.
The three Parkers develop cures for the villains and lure Dillon, Marco and Connors to the
Statue of Liberty where Peter II and Parker cure Marco and Connors.
Octavius arrives to help and cures Dillon.
Ned frees Strange from the Mirror Dimension but Osborn arrives and destroys the box spell,
breaking the barrier separating universes.
While Strange tries to maintain the barrier, an enraged Parker attempts to kill Osborn
but Peter II stops him.
Peter III and Parker inject Osborn with his cure, restoring his sanity.
Parker realizes the only way to protect the multiverse is to erase himself from everyone's
memory and requests that Strange do so, promising MJ and Ned that he will find them again.
The spell is cast, returning everyone to their respective universes, including Eddie Brock,
who leaves behind a piece of the Venom symbiote, and wiping everyone's memory of Parker in
his universe.
Two weeks later, Parker visits MJ and Ned to reintroduce himself but decides against
it.
While mourning at May's grave, he has a conversation with Hogan and is inspired to carry on making
a new suit and resume new superheroes.
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definitely going to be there. They're like on the cast list, behind the scenes stuff
is leaked and everything. In my mind, I'm just like, Sony's just effing with us. I just
have a feeling.
Like they have to be like that is like, it's like that saying like if it's too good to
be true, it probably is.
Yeah, exactly. So I'm just like, I have a feeling that Sony is still effing with us
and just, yeah, when Ned first does that spellings, I wish we could find Peter and you see that
you see one Spider-Man in the alleyway and he starts running and I'm like, no, they're
not actually, they're not doing it. Are they? And he jumped like, oh my God, and then fricking
to top there's Andrew and then to top it all off a couple minutes later and comes Toby.
I'm like, oh my God, Sony, you actually fricking did it. You actually fricking did it.
Oh my gosh, dude, that was so good. That was such a good fricking reveal. I will say I
was also very hesitant about believing the whole Toby Andrew thing. Like I had, I was
like 80% sure, but that 20% of me was like really loud in my brain where I was just like,
I like, like you too good to be true. And so when they opened the portal and you see
like a Spider-Man in the distance, I thought it was, I thought it was going to be Tom.
And I was just like, okay, like this is a pretty interesting way for them to get him.
And then he like turned and like looked forward. I'm like, that's not his eyes. I like flipped
out and I'm like, ah, and so he like comes jumping in and yeah, I lost my mind. And what
was funny is I don't know how it was in your theater, but people didn't start freaking
out until like he took off his mask. I'm like, do you guys not realize that that's Andrew's
suit? Like I'm not the kind of person that usually like freaks out. Like, well, there
was a big old rumor going around that if, because like other than the Andrew and Toby
being in it, that it was just going to be Tom in their suits. Oh, that'd be dumb. Yeah.
Like oh yeah. Right. That would have been so dumb. But yeah, they, they said that like
that was a big one going around that they're like, oh, it's probably just going to be Tom
in all like in the different suits. And so yeah, that's why when they took off the mask,
like everyone freaked out because of that, like, okay, there's no way that that's not
going to be the case. Yeah. I love Toby's entrance and everything, but I feel Andrew's
was the best for when MJ asked him to like prove that he's Spider-Man. And he does. So
he like puts his hand up to the ceiling, you know, like he's hanging from it. And she's
just like, crawl around. He's like, crawl around. She's like, yeah, it's not good enough. He's
like, this, this is plenty.
I'm like, the suit's kind of a dead giveaway. Like it's the same color scheme and everything.
Like come on, cut the guy some slack. Um, I will say I do wish that, like I, I am totally
fine with, uh, with Toby's reveal, not being in his suit, but where I feel like they should
have put him in his suit was when they did the reveal on the, the water tower. Absolutely.
Because it looked super weird seeing like Andrew in his mask and then seeing Toby's
outline with ears. Yeah. Honestly, it just would have made sense for how much, how emotional
the scene it is for them, like talking about like the losses that they had, um, to, um,
I'm sorry. He's Peter one, right? Tom Hollins. Yes. Yeah. Um, that's kind of get so confusing.
Um, but honestly, yeah, I feel it would have made the scene just like a little better.
It was, it was a great scene, but it just would have made it more impactful if all three
of them were in his pirate suit.
Yeah. So that's, that's actually why I docked it a little bit. I'm like, I feel like storywise,
like yes, it would have been way more impactful had we seen him in the suit when he was talking
to, to Peter. Yeah. Like if they wanted to do like another change back later, like where
he's back in normal clothes at the lab or whatever, like fine, do that. But I thought
it was just kind of interesting. Like Tom was in his suit. Andrew was in his, like why
wasn't Toby? Yeah, I agree. Like honestly, like at one point I was like, okay, is he
even going to be in the costume? I know I was super concerned about that. I'm like,
there's no way that'd be so dumb. Like, like there's no way they can't, they, they can't
not put him in a suit. Yeah. Then thankfully Andrew's just like, Oh, do you have a suit?
And then he like kind of like pulls down a shirt and I'm like, okay, a few. Yeah. I got
super worried. I'm like, there's, ah, come on. How do you not put the OG Spider-Man in
his amazing classic costume? Oh my gosh. That was his costume still fricking holds up, man.
Oh, it's so good. Oh, I'm trying like, like other, so maybe we should talk about some
of the villains. Yeah. It's all about Spider-Man. That is very true. Yeah. Another reason why
I docked it and it wasn't really like a big dock for me at least. They just had, I feel
they had a hard time bringing in some of like the other villains. The big ones for sure
were Doc Ock, Green Goblin and Sandman. And then they just kind of sidelined Electro and
Lizard. I feel kind of Sandman and Electro kind of got about the same. Electro to me
at least kind of got like a little more. Okay. Lizard. Yeah. It was absolutely sidelined.
I felt bad for Kirk Connors. Yeah. Fricking yeah. Literally I feel and you know, it's
understandable because I don't know if anyone and I told Caleb this a couple of days ago
that for Sandman and Lizard, Thomas Hayden Church and I forget the guy that plays the
Lizard in the Amazing Spider-Man, they were scheduling conflicts. So they weren't actually
able to come back. Literally all that we see is like actually like reused footage, especially
from with Sandman. All of that that is used from Spider-Man 3. Which you know, kudos to
them because I didn't even notice until someone pointed it out. So literally there's a scene
where they go to Happy Hogan's apartment and I think Peter asks like, oh, where's where's
Kurt or where's the Lizard? And he's just like, oh, he decided to stay in the truck.
And I'm just like, well, that's kind of just like a little bit of a cop out. Like, hey,
we just don't want to animate him for a while. You know, I get it. The same. I get it. Sandman
is a lot easier to animate than the Lizard. But come on. Yeah. I mean, it worked out storywise.
Like I think that was just one of the big ones. Just like, OK, why did he stay in the
van? Like, this just seems odd to cut just to go through all that trouble and then just
stay in the van. Yeah. Wait, now I'll say that. Oh, you're good. I will fully admit when
Toby's I'm just going to call him by their like that's that's the way you have to do
it. Spider-Man one, Spider-Man two and Spider-Man three. It's Peter one, Peter two and Peter
three. Yeah. It just kind of gets super confusing after a while. So when Toby's when Toby and
frickin Otto meet again and like Otto's just like, oh, it's good to see you, dear boy.
Dude, I frickin started like tear it up. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. Dude, I this kind of
goes into writing, but this was like just a tiny like just a little nugget that I wish
we would have gotten that would have just been like cherry on top is if he would have
thrown in the like brilliant but lazy line. I'm like, like I was I was waiting for it
and didn't get it. I mean, at least we got the trying to do better. We got that. Yeah.
Or the I love the power of the sun and the palm of my hand line. Well, doesn't Peter
say that in the palm of your hand? Yeah, he like is holding it and he said the power of
the sun and then yeah. OK. And then Toby comes in is like in the palm of your hand and I'm
like, oh, good. Yeah. But what I really appreciate about this and it as as a whole, like, you
know, like with this movie, I feel like they did a really good job at tying in. Everything
like they didn't just tie in. Toby's stories or like they didn't only focus on tying up
Tom's story, they also kind of gave us a little tie up for Toby and Andrew, which was brilliant.
For Andrew, like, God, this movie like frickin redeemed him from the amazing Spider-Man two.
I mean, he was great in that one, but just yeah, like the like talk that he gets to have
when they're all talking or when Thomas first introduced to Toby and Andrew. And he's like
talking about like how after he tried to save Gwen, but she died and he's just like, I started
pulling my punches. I got better. No, he said he stopped pulling his punches. He stopped
pulling his punches. He got better. He's like, and I don't want to see you go down that road.
And the emotional scenes from frickin Andrew were just amazing. And let alone he finally
gets a chance to redeem himself with saving Tom's MJ. Oh, my gosh, dude. Like when he
started tearing up, I was just like, you did it, man. You did it. Like he straight up went
for a dive. He didn't try to shoot his web saver. He liked it. Yeah, he's just like,
oh, my lesson. Oh, my gosh. I thought that was so good. I love. Yeah, seeing him get
that redemption and then Toby to like with Toby, he like, I feel like he unintentionally.
Like the one of the big staples for Spider-Man in general is Spider-Man doesn't kill and
he will do anything and everything he can to avoid killing. And I feel like with this
it with this story, it very much kind of redeemed that like with with Green Goblin, Green Goblin
technically killed himself, but Toby jumped out of the way. Like I feel like Spider-Man,
Peter Parker on the page would have like spun around and like redirected the glider to like
go out of the way. I don't think he would have let it hit Goblin in the first place.
No, that's very true. And then same thing with like Doc Ock. I think he would have like
set something up for Doc Ock to to to like live. And Tom, he did like a really good job
about that. Like he. I mean, technically, the only person on Tom's kill count is is
Mysterio and even that's like a super technicality. Yeah, it's freaking freaking guy is just like,
hey, you know what, considering most of these guys go back to literally die fighting Spider-Man,
maybe we can try to help them where they don't die. Yeah, like what I liked was with Green
Goblin, he was someone that that went insane. And so they helped cure him. But it was just
seeing the hurt that he caused Peter or caused Tom, which, oh, my gosh, that was just another
emotional scene. I was tearing like when May died. Oh, my gosh. I thought, dude, I thought
she was fine. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh. Like. Like, oh, thank goodness.
Like, I felt like that could have been way worse. And then she died. They put that off
a little too well. They played that off so freaking well, dude. Like I was afraid. I'm
like, oh, no, oh, no. And then she like, like, he helped her up and she's just like, kind
of very like energetic. I'm like, oh, good. Like, honestly, I felt like they didn't leave
room to like start tearing up. Well, they I mean, they did. But it's just like, for
the whole point, you're just like, OK, yeah, you know, like, this is a really emotional
moment. But from the looks of it, it doesn't look like Aunt May is going to die. She you
know, she just needs medical attention. So you're just like, you know what? With the
great power comes great responsibility. That was greatly said, you know, tearing up from
that, you know, I'm really sad that Aunt May's hurt, but it seems like she's going to be
OK. And then out of the blue. Oh, she died. I know you're not giving me a chance to like
fully get my emotions out here from jumping into the next scene. You that one, it just
it's stung. It's stung so bad. The fact that it's Green Goblin just makes it that much
more emotional. Yeah, that. Oh, that made it so much worse. But all the other villains,
like I loved their their redemption. Like and I love that they didn't like make anyone
like out to be too villainous, like they kept their their evil level the same. Yeah, like
with Green Goblin, he was insane. The Goblin persona took over Doc Ock. He was being controlled
by his his arms. Electro, he was someone that didn't have any power that suddenly had a
lot of it and kind of like grew to. Love and crave that power, which makes absolutely.
Yeah, like perfect character moment. Lizard, whatever. And then Sandman, he was like he
was on Spidey's side for most of it, and he was well, I feel like he was willing to be
cured. He was, but I mean, what kind of turns the Sandman kind of down the wrong path is
just like, wait, this isn't my peer. This isn't my universe. All I want to do is go
home. I'm going to do whatever it takes to do that. Yeah. And like, I feel like a really
good turning point. Like Sandman has this goal in mind, and it's to help his daughter.
And when Peter kind of threatens to send them back to their universes where they are going
to die. Which I don't think Sandman was going to die like Sandman was. Yeah, he lived. Yeah,
that's exactly what I thought. I'm like, you're not one of the ghosts.
Which that kind of sorry, that kind of always irked me about because they fix it in the
movie. They like Dr. Strange is like most of them die fighting Spider-Man. But then
the trailer, they they include the line where Doc says you're flying out into the this the
fight. The movie says a ghost, but in referring to Norman, but in the trailer, it's ghosts.
And then Strange is like they all die fighting Spider-Man. They don't call neither Connors
or Flint Marco died fighting Spider-Man. The rest, the other three did. But those two are
fine. So that always kind of irked me about the final trailer. But, you know, they fix
it in the movie. So it's fine. Dude, so we're we're awking Goblin, the only casualties.
Well, and then technically Electro. Yeah, because. Yeah, yeah, I was just those three.
Yeah, because Lizard lived. He got sent to to Blackgate. Then. What does happen to Flint
at the end? Then Flint, he just kind of like it's after Harry dies. I think he's just like
I'm like kind of says sorry, I'm just here to save my daughter and then drifts off. Yeah.
So yeah, he didn't die. So I guess technically it's like you just a couple ghosts. Oh, dude,
I loved everything that they did, like the tie in like even though it was just such a
small nod to Matt Murdock and being Daredevil. Like I loved his line where he's just like,
yeah, you're going to need to do this, this and this. You're probably going to need to
move or at least find somewhere else to stay because people know where you're where you
live now. And then a brick comes flying through and he freaking catches it. And then there
is like everyone's just wide eyed and like, how do you do that? And he's like, I'm a really
good lawyer. I'm like, you're damn right. You are, Matt. So good. So good. Like the
story was just perfection. It did have its its issues. Not any that I feel are really
going to dock it a ton. No, it beat the trope. Even though the Amazing Spider-Man never got
a third movie that they add too much to the third Spider-Man movie. And it never all completely
works. And there is very little in this movie that does not work. Very, very little. It
all basically goes off without a hitch. And it's incredible that they were able to make
this work. This movie works so close to flawlessly. Yeah. So we gave the story overall, me, Rose
and Vic, we collectively gave it a ninety seven. And out of all the things that we've
talked about that were like, OK, this could have been done better. This could have been
done better. Like just because like they could have been done a little bit better didn't
mean they were bad. Yeah. So they weren't worth docking for. The one thing that I docked
for was actually an end credit scene. And this is what was brought up to me by DJ. So
DJ, this is for you. Why the hell was there a little piece of venom that stayed? You got
sent back to your universe with magic. They probably had to work in how I guess how the
symbiote comes to be. That is total horse shit. That is complete and utter horse shit.
I agree. I absolutely agree. That's the only thing I can think of. There's like, well,
we got to put the symbiote in the next Spider-Man movie. So, bam, that's how he gets it. You
know what I would have much preferred? What they needed to do instead of that was have
venom keep himself from going into the like going back. That would have been awesome.
Have Eddie have some sort of like weird convulsion that protects that protects him from the crazy
magic stuff that's happening and then keep venom in the universe and then have Eddie
be like, I got to go and then run off and then the tiny little drip of venom. Yeah.
So much better. Yeah. Like, why'd you have to get rid of Eddie Brock? That's such bullshit.
Like you already have him in a universe with the Daily Bugle. Yeah, that's true. Like,
serious. Like, just think about that a little bit longer. Like, what? It's magic. You think
Doctor Strange's spell is going to be like, oops, we missed that little piece right there.
No, it's magic. You dumb shits. But yeah, DJ wanted me to address that. And I told him
that was my biggest problem with the movie immediately off the bat. Yeah. Other than
that, I don't have too much else to say about the story. What about you? No, not really.
Chef's kiss. Damn straight. I think it definitely deserves that 97. Yeah. All right. Moving
on over to writing, we ended up giving this a 98. So one point higher than the than the
story. I wanted the best thing that this movie does. And I would I mean, I feel I was never
like as much of a hater as everybody else was with how the Spider-Man always felt like
Iron Boy Jr. Yes. Everything that Spider-Man had came from Iron Man from Tony Stark. And
this movie at the end fixes that to where because everyone forgets who Peter Parker
is, he literally has to start from the bottom and, you know, create his own suit. I think
like he had like a pamphlet for like a GED. Yep. So literally this. You guys, technically,
he doesn't exist. Yeah. So this is this is Peter Parker really showcasing, you know,
why he's earned the mantle of Spider-Man and how fricking smart the guy is, because I feel
they haven't. They've been able to touch upon it in the MCU. But I feel going on now, we
are truly going to be able to see how incredible the character Peter Parker is. And I feel
the last 10 minutes really showcase what's in store. Honestly, just the emotional aspects
of the last 10 minutes where he decides that he's actually not going to tell MJ and Ned
who he is, which that hurt. Yeah. And do when he put that Darth Sidious Lego figure on the
desk, I'm like, oh, dude, you're right in the gut. Oh, Peter, you bitch. Dude, that
was my my biggest praise to this movie. This fixed every issue that I had with MCU Spider-Man
bringing him back to his fricking roots of not having a shit ton of money because he's
always had Tony Stark assets or resources. Like he fricking like the whole damn machine
that they used to to fix all the villains. I'm like, that's just super convenient. Yeah.
Like this machine can make anything. Like, come on. Like, like, like you might as well
have just been like, oh, we need to cure these villains. Open this box. Oh, look, here's
conveniently all the cures we need. Oh, that pissed me off so bad. I'm just like, fricking
days mocking a box. Speaking of cures, when it's all three Spidey's in it's like was a
Tom's high school lab lab science lab. And I do not think that they were actually going
to touch upon it. But they actually make the joke of how Toby's webbing just comes out
of him. Because he they're like, because Tom's like talking about his web his web cartridges.
And Toby's just like, wait, wait, what is that? He's like, oh, that's that's how my
webbing comes out. And he fricking shoots web to like a beaker or something. And that's
just like, oh, my god, that came out of you. He's like, yeah, you can't do that. Can you?
And freaking Andrew is just freaking admiring. I know, dude. Andrew was just a gem. Like,
he was just geeking out so hard. And like, everything like he was like, he was perfection.
Like, it just kind of like Spider-Man needs to be funny. And he nailed funny. Because
I love that he even brings that up again, like towards when when it's the final five,
he's like, so you make all the webbing inside your body. He's like, and Toby's just like,
you know, I don't really want to talk. Oh, my gosh. So good. Yeah, like all the little
all these little things that I feel like you could easily just like, think over, like,
oh, that was just kind of like a weird dialogue. But everything kind of had its its meaning.
Yeah, absolutely. Which is so nice. Hell, I really liked how during the fight with Dr.
Strange, he was able to basically beat Dr. Strange using math and got him all tied up.
And like, I want to know what the hell Peter's plan was for getting him out in case he didn't.
Yeah, like, seriously, if Ned wouldn't have been able to summon him through that portal,
yeah, what was Peter's plan? Did Ned summon him? I thought I thought Strange did it himself.
Because he came through it and then closed it. And and Ned was having struggles with
that part. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's how long. Yeah. So love that. I loved all
the frickin dialogue. My favorite bit of dialogue was when they were kind of struggling to kind
of get their get the team going. And they were like sitting there and they're like,
okay, like, we haven't been part of a team. Like, this is all new to us. And he and Tom's
like, I don't want to brag. But I was part of the Avengers. And so Tom's just like, the
Avengers? What is that? And he's like, you guys, you don't have the Avengers? Earth's
Mightiest Heroes? And he's just like, nope.
Frickin Andrew then chimes in. He's like, is that a band? Are you in a band? Oh, my
gosh, dude, that was just comedic gold. And then he like just the way that he's going
on about it. No, it's like, like, it was just a team and he's just like, how is this helping?
That leads though to the best one of the probably best shots I feel on cinematic history. Like,
I feel this matches up with the Avengers assemble scene from endgame when you see all three
spies jumping off of like the highest like whatever the hell it's called the highest
part of this building structure. And then actually like helping each other swing together.
And then they land in order of who like it's Toby first, then Andrew, and then Tom, Tom
front and center. Oh, my gosh. Even the I forget what track is playing during it. But
even the track just gets you fricking hyped. Do you know what that track is? What is it?
It is. So someone went through and composed a perfect mixture of all three of their theme
songs. That's why that's exactly why you got as hyped as you did. Yeah. And we will discuss
that come music time. But yeah, so writing is sitting up at a 98. I think all the comedic
beats hit very, very little wasted dialogue. The only dialogue that I didn't like was with
flash. Yeah, that's fair. That's why I'm just like, whatever with flash. But I mean, everything
else like pretty solid. Yeah. So yeah, so we're sitting at a 98. They're unsurprising
Vic gave it a 100. Big old shocker. All right, moving on over to acting. We are sitting at
a 96.3. Yeah, I think the definite high notes for this one. Tom Holland, Spider-Man. So
good. Next, I'd probably give it to Zendaya, who played my MJ. Yeah, I would. This isn't
my top three because she does not reach my top three. I did not. I docked because of
Zendaya. What is with you and your hatred towards Zendaya? Dude, I have no idea. I feel
like such an asshole every time I talk about her. You honestly shouldn't because my buddy
JC feels the same way. Does he know why? Can he explain it? I don't think he can either.
Geez. We need to get him on just talk about Zendaya for like, have that be like a little
side episode. But yeah, so yeah, then I'd say Zendaya was like the number two of this
movie. Then Jacob Batalone, who played Ned. I would actually put some people higher than
really I put actually willing to throw. Okay, like, I'll give you that. I honestly expected
Alfred Molino's dock up to have a lot more to do than Green Goblin. I feel willing to
throw. I feel got the most to do coming back as a villain in this movie. And oh my God,
he didn't miss a beat coming back. He's drink goblin. Not even a little bit. He was he was
just as incredible as Norman Osborn as he was in the original Spider-Man. I would say
he was better. Yeah, I would. Because oh my God, when literally towards the end, when
Tom says like, you know what, I'll kill you myself. He's like, Attaboy. I know. I was
just like, oh, there was a lot of screaming going on in this movie for me. Yeah, so going
through screaming because I'm weird about unless like I'm seeing it with like, like
a buddy like with you, or like someone else that like gets like gets as hyped as I do
with these movies. I don't want to be like screaming out loud like someone next to me.
Yeah. Yeah. So like the three of the like what I would consider main cast what I would
say was Tom Zendaya and and Jacob. Okay. Side cast I would put Dr. Strange, Marissa Tomei
and Jon Favreau. And then like the antagonist cast like I feel like I had to separate them
like there's no way that I could do them all together. But the villain cast was just. Yeah.
I will fully say I like Jamie Foxx's a little way better than this one. Yeah. I love how
they address that he like looks normal. Yeah. I was like, yeah, weren't you like bald? Yeah.
So let's see going through the villains we have probably in order of most important to
least important. We got Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina at the tip top. Then Jamie Foxx and
Thomas Hayden Church like in the second and then Lizard. Yeah. I forget what the actor's
name is. I do too. I feel bad. Yeah. But anyway. All right. Top three. Oh and then of course
we need to include Toby and Andrew in this. I would put them in like the secondary cast
with like Marissa Tomei and and Jon. Right. Number one. I would definitely give it to
Tom Holland. This is the best he's been a Spider-Man. His emotional scene. Oh my god.
Incredible. So so good. Number two. I probably give to Willem Dafoe. He was like Caleb said
he was probably he was even better as Green Goblin coming back than he was. He was just
more menacing. Yeah. So good. So good. And then honestly number three I'd actually probably
give it to Andrew Garfield. His him coming back as Spider-Man. He didn't miss a beat.
He was just as incredible as I remember him being. And this movie just made me realize
how much I hate that he did not get through Spider-Man. Makes me sad. Makes me real sad.
I'm actually exactly the same as you except I'm going to flip Willem Dafoe and Tom Holland.
OK. Tom are well defoes at the top for me. I'll every second he was on screen. I was
like just terrified of the dude. He was a great actor. He is dude. He's so good. Like
when when when Tom got the call that there was one of the multiverse people at feast
with May and he comes like pounding in and you see freaking Norman Osborne with with
May I was I flipped. I'm like oh shit. Like it's about to go down and then it like ended
up being fine. And I'm like I was so relieved. I was just like that could have gone south
so fast. Yeah. And like I said luckily it didn't because I would have lost my mind.
But yeah like every single second he was on screen I'm just like shits going down like
towards the ending. And I don't know if you like saw in like Toby's face when Goblin like
comes flying down and he says can the Spider-Man come out to play. You can tell Toby's like
oh my God I recognize that line. I know that.
Dude exactly. Yeah his facial expression seemed was on point. Like it was like all the blood
just drained from his face. Dude well Defoe is just such a an amazing actor. I know he
said in an interview that when they approached him about it he's just like OK I'll come back
but I'm not going to be it's not just going to be a cameo. I wanted my I want Green Goblin
to be a huge presence in this movie. Dude if I was John if I was John Watts I'd be like
are you serious. Yeah. Done. I'll just scrap the other the other four villains if you just
want to be. I know dude like. No just I would want Alfer Malino to come back as Doc Ogg.
Yeah dude just that just. Oh my gosh. I couldn't even imagine the possibilities if just having
to hurt like just imagine. I'm like I'm assuming John Watts is a fan because like this seemed
too perfect of a movie for it to not be made by a fan. Yeah. At least it feels that way
to me. No absolutely. For him to go into this movie without a script and he's just like
OK I have an idea. I want to bring in past Spider-Man and their villains and going through
and getting like agreements from all these other people. Hey would you would you come
back to do this. And I'm assuming he got the OK's from like Thomas Hayden Church and all
of that. And they're just like yeah but scheduling conflict. OK we'll work around it. And then
like just going on through the list and then get into the point. Like I feel like he was
just like struggling like OK who's going to be the main villain in this. Like we're going
to have all these multiversal threats coming through and then Willem Dafoe saying like
yeah as long as I'm like the main bad guy I would be like yeah. You can have whatever
you want Mr. Dafoe. Because honestly like I feel the trailer is really hyped up that
Doc Ock was going to be the main villain. Yeah and I did really appreciate that he wasn't.
Yeah I did too. Because it's just like Green Goblin he died a villain. Doc Ock didn't.
He died a hero. Yeah. In his own sense. Yeah and so just seeing him get that redemption
was so it's just lovely to see. Absolutely. And Alfred Molina just pulled it off so well.
Did they did they do did they CGI his face at all. Yeah they did some de-aging. Yeah
OK obviously that's going to go into effects but I was going to say he looks great. I mean
the interviews I've seen of him he looks amazing. Yeah he does. Yeah they because he actually
brought that up with them there. He's just like well I still want to look like the exact
same way I looked at Spider-Man 2 and they're just like oh yeah you remember how we made
a oh my goodness Ant-Man. Oh shit. Michael Douglas. Yep. Yeah how we how we did with
the de-aging for him and I think that was just like a huge set up. OK I'm in. So cool.
I think that's probably why that because like they didn't want to worry about like if like
there were like any like this is nothing against Alfred Molina. But it was kind of weird for
me for a minute that he was wearing kind of like a turtleneck under his classic doc suit
because usually you see him like he's not wearing like. Well when he was fighting Spider-Man
his his trench coat was brown. So he was in a completely different outfit. Yeah. Like
his entire outfit was different. The only one that had like the same outfit was Green
Goblin at the beginning. Well in Green Goblin I feel Green Goblins was even like a little
different. It was a little bit more sleek looking. Because even the mask I feel looked
different. A little bit. It did. I think the ears were a little bit bigger on it. But what
they did with that one is they made that one look a little bit more metallic whereas the
one in the first Spider-Man looked a bit more plastic. Yeah. I think that was a very good
call. Oh yeah. I do wish that we got to see the mask a bit more. Yeah when he broke it
I'm like oh come on. I know everyone says you look like a Green Power Ranger. I don't care.
I love how the Goblin costume looked in the original Spider-Man. I was trying to think
of like how they could have incorporated that better and I'm like I feel like he could have
at least taken like the mouthpiece. Yeah okay. Or just something just just like a little
hint of Goblin in there because it just kind of looked like dude flying on a glider. With
a green suit. Yeah so not really like Goblin but. I mean at least though they had him like
do that like kind of like whole purple like pullover kind of situation. Yeah I appreciate
the hell out of that. I really appreciate that and all to the original Goblin. Yeah
that looks super good. Oh so good. Just top-notch performances all around. Yeah. I think the
only problems I had with Zendaya. And with how big of a role she played like it did dock
it a little bit more. Any other acting you want to talk about? No not really. Alright
so with acting we're sitting at in 96.3. Alright moving on over to character development. We
have to do Tom Holland's Spider-Man. Oh yeah. Like there's no other choice here. I felt
like he was a very. I like it's just kind of like the accumulation of everything that
we've seen of him so far just coming to a head. Yes. Like realizing that he can't protect
his loved ones the way that he wants to if they know who he is. Dude exactly. Like that
was just pure genius. Like it puts Spider-Man in such like a weird position because everyone
knows who Spider-Man is. And this is like a discussion me and Vic had for like a really
long time. So like does everyone know that he fought within the Infinity War? Or was
like such a big part of Tony Stark's life? Yeah that's a good question. Yeah so like
with Happy when he was talking to Happy and he's just like oh how did you know her? And
he's like oh I knew her through Spider-Man. I'm like wait okay so they know who Spider-Man
is and he's just like yeah me too. And I'm like wait what the hell? Yeah. I'm like wait
so you know who Spider-Man is but you don't know Peter Parker? So did you just like not
see like in your mind did you just not see Spider-Man without his mask? Or did you just
not know who this kid was? Yeah honestly like thinking back like so like in because I actually
recently rewatched Homecoming. So like that scene where like at the beginning where Peter's
like recording his like trip to help in Civil War. So literally in his mind Spider-Man never
took off his costume. That is seriously exactly what I was thinking. I'm like how does this
work in your in their minds? Yeah they better explain this shit. And no I feel like that
was another thing that I kind of docked for writing. Yeah that's fair. But I mean overall
seeing Peter kind of get to this point where he almost like accepted that everyone knew
but then seeing how it was affecting his loved ones with like Ned and MJ not getting into
MIT because of the controversy behind Spider-Man. And then going to Doctor Strange and saying
like hey could you make this spell where everyone forgets that I'm Spider-Man? And he's just
like oh yeah and then like goes to do it. I'm like how hard is it to just tell them again?
Like I feel like you could have just been like okay whatever. But anyway and I love
freaking Spider-Man or Doctor Strange's thing. He's just like listen you've done all you
can like you've gone to them and like pleaded your case and he's just like what? And the
dude the like Doctor Strange got pissed. I wouldn't do. Oh my god. You didn't come to
your mind? Not a simple phone call to admissions? I know I like in that moment I realized oh
doctor it. The sad thing is like when he said that I'm like oh my god I didn't. I know I
was just like well what else was he supposed to. Oh no. And like yeah with that scene on
the freeway when she's just like oh yeah I'm gonna let them know to reconsider your you
know yours and your friend's applications. I'm just like. I mean I know that he'd saved
her from Doc Ock but I just feel like something else could have happened to where like she
would have said the same thing. Yeah. I laughed so hard at that. But I feel like he had like
really good intentions of like wanting his his family's life to be better but then being
put into a position where it wasn't and it was kind of his fault for it and having these
this really selfless desire to make their life normal. And Green Goblins points it out
with the best he's just like you're having to choose out of all these things that you
want but you can't have them all. And getting to that point where he's like all like the
multiverse is breaking his and then just realizing that his friends and loved ones are in more
danger having known who he is and then just being like if they all forget like who Peter
Parker is everyone goes back and just making that sacrifice was just such like you said
such a Spider-Man thing to do. It was like it was perfection. Like you could tell how
hard of a decision that was for him. Honestly the hurt that you see on a well not maybe
not hurt but like the look that you see on Doc Strange's face because he knows that he
knows that honestly this is the only way to do it but the fact that you can definitely
tell that he is going to miss knowing that Peter Parker is Spider-Man for how much they've
gone through together. I mean it hasn't been that much but you know like he points out
at the movie they saved the world they saved half did he save the whole world or half the
world? Half the world. Half the world together. Or half the universe. That's what it is. So
you can definitely tell that he definitely started to get a bond with the kid and so
the fact that he has to forget that is understandable why he reacts the way that he does. Yeah.
Like it just Dr. Strange like was just I think he viewed Peter's decision as very selfish
at the beginning and then when he was just like alright let's turn everything back to
normal and he was like alright great we just need to send these guys back and then when
Peter realized that they were basically going back to their death and having that moment
where like I can't let that happen and Dr. Strange is just like it has to and Peter's
just like refuses and then like no there's nothing you can do they like this is their
their destiny or their fate and then like there's nothing you can do and then Peter
goes and actually does it and so when Dr. Strange comes back and realizes his plan's
working like you can tell he's like okay I'm a little bit impressed by this and then like
realizing that Peter will make that ultimate sacrifice that ultimate selfless sacrifice
and it's just like so heartbreaking like realizing what he had to do and Dr. Strange like there
was just like a lot of sadness in his in his eyes as he was like going to do the spell
but then getting Peter back to his roots and having to rely solely on himself was just
so so masterfully crafted I hope that they can do something that that well done with
Hulk one can hope one can hope yeah but like it was it was so difficult to to be super
harsh on character development but we managed so yet collectively we're sitting at a 96
for character development and that's with with Vicks 100% as well so all right moving
on over to a fact unless you had anything on okay moving on over to effects this is
actually where we were the harshest except for Vic so yeah we're sitting at a 93.6 for
effects yeah you get that that classic Marvel rubbery look give you that yeah
definitely overall most of the stuff looked really good yeah Sandman looked amazing because
he was in sand form a majority of the movie apparently we had a DH doc Ock I didn't even
realize that like he looked just flawless all the spider-man like when the spider-man
we're all in action like when they had their like wide shots and we're doing like the crazy
web swinging that's when it kind of like okay that that looks CGI as hell but yeah but overall
I mean it was nothing to freaking gawk at maybe I'm just the only one here but it fixed
one of the biggest problems I had with the iron spider suit the head was actually proportionate
with the body oh my gosh yes the body was way too bulky compared to the head it really
just bugged the hell out of me but it's really fixed it so yeah okay we'll get into it with
costumes but yeah all the all the effects look good dr. strange looked amazing like
all of his crazy magic stuff looked really good like there weren't too many issues honestly
the only thing I docked for was like some of those wide shots where there was like some
crazy web swinging and maybe like the occasional mishap with some of the villains yeah like
there was I feel like the worst one was probably lizard there were times where a lizard looked
fake as hell but other than that like everything else was like super solid throughout this
would you say that about Electra of lightning Electra's lightning I feel looked better in
this than it did in his movie it honestly did and I don't know I feel what I'd say
like goes into costume so I keep my mouth shut fair yeah not much else to say about
that there's like not any one in particular thing it's just like we said just occasional
sweeps that we would see yeah so moving on over to music we actually averaged out to
a ten on this one so I was actually the only one that was harsh on this apparently I'm
sorry man when you put in music from the OG Spider-Man movie you're getting a ten for
that I know that's fair like it's so hard to disagree like that was just such a good
score like they tied in everything perfectly and if you like listen back to it you can
you and you like realize what it is you can pick up those hints of like their individual
scores and so I oh so good it had like an Avengers vibe to it but in like of with like
a spidey tone dude honestly the score that was playing as he's like the ending shot as
he's swinging through New York City during Christmas time like score that's playing towards
that like honestly almost had me started to tear up score was incredible it was so good
like so little complaints with with the soundtrack here like I said like the this for me the
thing that keeps me personally from a ten is like something catchy and I was at a nine
because I felt like everything was just so masterfully crafted everything was like that
that's the freaking super score I would call it yeah it was just pure perfection so I'm
not even a little bit upset that it got a ten anything else on music no it's wonderful
yeah all right moving on over to costumes and I feel like we're gonna have a shit done
this one yeah let's honestly should we just work our way through each character and just
say what we thought yeah yeah you want so let's let's move let's go let's go with like
villains and then move our way up okay I like it so first off we're gonna start with lizard
he kind of had just the classic amazing spider-man look I understand why they didn't change him
but I wish that they would have made him a little bit more lizard like give him a snout
yeah you had a perfect opportunity you changed electro yeah I know like you just kind of
justified it by like oh I don't know yeah it worked I had no problems with it you could
have done the same thing for the lizard yeah or maybe just like made the like a first round
of lizard serum not work and it like makes him more lizard there we go yeah so lizard
not super impressed but it did look really good compared to the amazing spider-man movie
yeah like a little bit more rubbery than than that version but not overly so next up I'd
say Sandman yeah so he was in his sand form for most of the time now it makes so much
sense yeah like now now it makes sense I'm like I don't understand why they just didn't
get Thomas Hayden Church to come in and film a couple things and like yeah apparently
scheduling conflicts but at least he did come back to do the voiceover yeah that was really
nice to see I mean we did get a little clip of him like you said from old spider-man 3
footage so that was nice yeah yeah like like I said I didn't even notice yeah once he's
cured and yeah you actually see Thomas Hayden Church's Flint I if god wow he's pushing
that yeah it's like they just put like a nice little bow on it so it like when you don't
see him later you don't really realize it yeah exactly so that was that was really nice
and seeing him in sand form was really cool yeah so I mean all like couch joke at a happy
place though yeah so yeah I really liked seeing him in that so definitely high praise for
for that next we got electro who is kind of put in construction gear I'd say well wait
like are you talking about his final form or like when he's just Max Dillon towards
the well his final did was his final form was in like the the safety gear wasn't it
I think so but like when they first get like he had a new harness and whatnot that's true
he was wearing like a firefighter's outfit though when they get locked behind those whatever
they're called things right wasn't a firefighter's outfit it might have been maybe I mean didn't
they get it from like an electrician's area yeah that's yeah okay so yeah I think it wasn't
yeah so I'd say that one was pretty good but I think what really made his costume stand
out is when they did the classic electro mask with his lightning that was I know in the
amazing spider-man 2 with him like being you know bald and blue it's how he looks in the
ultimate comics I think that's where it comes from is the ultimate comics yeah but I was
I actually like this version better I know he's like kind of like wearing like a like
simple like kind of like not like army based like costume with just like a Stark arc reactor
attached to it but the fact that when he charges it up and shoots his electricity and his head
turns into his classic headpiece it's like outlined I feel that just like takes the cake
and like makes this a way better version than what we caught in the amazing spider-man 2
oh no doubt no doubt I loved how electro looked in this movie yeah he looked super good all
right next I'd say Doc Ock what tentacles looked exactly the same as they did in spider-man
2 which is perfect because the tentacles look perfect in that movie so honestly he looked
amazing like he'll point out and I didn't even notice he has like a brand new outfit
even the jacket is different I didn't notice that the jacket was different but I mean Doc
Ock be pulling off the turtle neck very nicely oh yeah I was kind of afraid that they were
going to give him the the nanobots for the entirety of the movie like once he took them
and so I'm like because once I saw them with like the red hue I'm like I don't like that
at all and so eventually when they did take it off of him and I'm like oh yes and went
back to like the classic claws like it made sense why they had the the nanobots on him
for a majority of the film yeah and yeah I was just I was so happy when they when they
fixed that all right next up Green Goblin he was the one with the biggest costume change
I would say he in a way I would say for me I feel it's electro considering that it's
completely different okay I'll get okay yeah but I feel that there is still some subtle
changes to Green Goblin's costume that makes it a big deal like the fact that literally
what is it like to the next scene after we see Green Goblin like fly in on the freeway
the next scene that he's in he freaking literally breaks the mask I'm like really come on so
the rest of the movie it's either you just see Norman's face or he's wearing goggles
have you seen the footage of what they were originally going to do for Green Goblin oh
and the original yeah yeah with like the goblin helmet that like had like big yellow eyes
have you seen like the what like they had Willem Dafoe put that mask on yeah and try
and do like faces with it terrifying nightmare fuel yeah I off to show you after we're done
yeah because I remember Sony was just like yeah that's a little too terrifying for kids
let's let's go the Power Rangers route yeah which I'm glad we got to see that and he did
keep staying that suit he just covered it up with with some like purple outfit like
I will say with this one he did kind of dress like an old grandma for a majority of the
movie which I was okay I don't know I like the addition of like the purple hoodie or
hood just it worked yeah it definitely worked after he attacked Peter and Aunt May like
when he jumped on the glider and was gliding up and his like the hoodies just kind of like
or he was like wearing sweats or something and it was like ripped or like just above
the thigh and then like it was going up and just like went to the purple hood and everything
like that was just pure Green Goblin to me so so good so love that loved every second
of that yeah the moving on to I'd say Toby and and Andrew we can kind of mix in yeah
because it's literally Toby's original suit from all three Spider-Man movies and then
Andrew's from the Amazing Spider-Man 2 yeah like you never realize just how iconic a suit
like that can be like they I love that they kept the suit the same throughout his trilogy
yeah it's just like why would Spider-Man mess with a good thing like the biggest yeah they
like the biggest thing that they messed with in in that trilogy was they went to a black
suit but it was just that's or his red suit in black yeah apparently it made a lot of
sense to everyone that was working on the film and like oh like because everyone wanted
to see like how like how did Spider-Man make his suit and so they're just like yeah we
just took that and ran with it and apparently like everyone who worked on the film was just
like yes this is perfect and then like and then audiences didn't like it so yeah no shit
yeah so I'm glad that they went with that version
yeah so love that they they stuck with with those suits and then Tom he had a few costume
changes throughout this he had his far from home suit and then someone threw like green
paint on him or something like that and then he couldn't get it off and I'm like why didn't
you just like you could have just gone with like the green stained suit yeah so he wears
his suit inside out which I thought that was so dumb yeah I'm like everyone knows you're
Peter Parker just don't wear suit
so wasn't the biggest fan of that suit but that didn't detract at all when they he went
back to wearing the far from home suit after may cleaned his original suit or cleaned his
far from home suit and then once he cured Doc Ock of his arms having control of him
and kind of like freed his mind again Doc Ock gives him back all the nanobots and then
the nanobots kind of like form a really cool spider look like kind of cover his far from
home suit but not so much that it becomes another iron spider situation it's like just
gives him some like extra protection it looks like which I loved yeah like that's what freaking
Iron Man should have done he didn't need to build an entire freaking suit just do some
armor like it was kind of like the way I viewed it was like giving Spider-Man a bulletproof
vest yeah so love that suit and then we had he wears that suit for the rest of the movie
until the very end where he is moved into his own apartment and he builds or makes his
own Spider-Man suit with with like a shiny blue material and it just oh my gosh we didn't
get like a super clear look at it so freaking perfect like oh my gosh like I've seen stills
of like the images that people have been able to get kind of like the just the blurry image
it is so perfect isn't the spider different too yep everything's different like the the
shade of blue it's like such a vibrant color yeah and it works so well for Spider-Man so
I love that suit and I want to I can't wait till the toys of that suit come out yes and
I can't wait for freaking Funko to release the Toby and Andrew pops that's gonna be sick
so yeah tens across the board for costumes because why not yeah right all right and then
finally we got our own personal grade which we are sitting at a 98 for this one yeah so
you want to share final thoughts on yeah so I was a little lower than cable with my personal
score I gave it a 96 but overall this was a near perfect Spider-Man movie this was the
perfect third Tom Holland's Spider-Man film the way that they were able to balance these
five villains so so perfectly and not only to and wow and to add Tom Holland and to add
and your Garfield and Tobin McGuire's Spider-Man spider-man's spider-man whatever I'm killing
this guy's I'm killing it adding those two into this movie and still being able to make
it work so well is such a huge accomplishment and just kudos to John Watts and Sony for
being able to pull this off because they did a remarkable job and I think it's going to
be a while until we get a movie that is this hyped that delivers this well again it's
gonna I feel it's gonna be a very long time just because of how the speculation for this
movie was just insane and I just did not expect them to actually put Andrew and Toby in this
movie but they did it they proved me wrong and they did it flawlessly so yeah I'm that
way yeah hell yeah yeah I'm a little higher so I'm sitting at a 98 like it like you said
damn near perfect spider-man movie damn near perfect movie in general like the way that
they're able to just hit every single nostalgic bone in your body while also giving like just
a fresh life to everything was just so well done like I have very few if any bad things
to say about this movie like I like I said at the beginning my biggest gripe was with
this is why didn't venom not disappear because magic like apparently dr. strange's magic
socks and apparently like if a little piece of some of you falls off it like doesn't work
I hope they they justify that and be like hey that little piece of venom is able to
open up a portal and bring Eddie through it or just something like that but yeah it was
so good like all the hype for this movie just got me so excited and yeah audience reaction
was was perfect the only thing that I overall like in the the venom thing is just such a
minor gripe to me if there was anything that I didn't like about seeing this movie was
that I had to go see it with someone who brought a three-week-old baby there were children
in this theater but they kept quiet and there were no babies inside I'm just like thank
the Lord thank you dude I was ready to freaking flip someone like so hard because the they
came and sat down next to me and I went with basically Braille's brother so yeah I went
with him and yeah so this freaking couple comes in with their newborn freaking baby
and like come and sit down I'm like are you shitting me like no and then they eventually
moved because they realized the sheets the seat was shitty and so they went and sat in
like the front row and I'm like bitch this is an IMAX like I hope your baby's deaf like
that's the only reason that I would justify bringing a baby to an IMAX movie I'm like
the trailers alone freaking like blew your eardrums so yeah I loved every second of this
and yeah and I will insert Vic's thoughts here hey what's up Caleb what's up Rose crash
from the crash and Tez movie seller Merry Christmas to everybody yeah sorry I couldn't
make it on here but I did manage to get Caleb all of my scores I can't be convinced otherwise
I'm giving it hundreds and tens all across the board the suits were awesome the the
animation was amazing the story was kick-ass it tied up all of the any loose ends that
spider-man MCU might have had that all got tied up any of the loose ends that you got
from the amazing spider-man with Andrew Garfield and even from spider-man with Tobey Maguire
those all got tied up any all those loose ends I mean just freaking amazing I definitely
I cried I yelled I screamed I got chills hands down my favorite part is after they huddled
together and they're doing you know they're going over their game plan they're like you
just just rely on your spidey sense and or your spirit your tingle you know rely on your
tingle and then just fight together I love when they're all jumping off I'm getting goosebumps
now just talking about it I love when they like they jump off the you know the the edge
of the Statue of Liberty and all that the construction whatever stuff and then like
you hear the classic Tobey Maguire you know yell the like you know and all three of them
doing it I think that was so cool and they're all just they're all swinging you know you
got their their own personal and individual swinging styles which was cool I love how
I loved how they were all just like just kind of confused as to how Tobey Maguire's webbing
works especially because you know it just he makes his own in his body and they're just
trying to figure out how that works it kind of sucks that May has to had to be the Uncle
Ben in this because I know a lot of people speculate that was Tony's role but that that
hurt definitely cried on that it was super cool to see Alfred Molina and and and Willem
Defoe in this film again like that I mean if you guys heard the episode that I did with
the Albrows for Spider-Man Sam Raimi Spider-Man you'll know that Willem Defoe was like the
saving grace for that movie for us we had nothing but great things to say about him
so yeah story acting for everybody even like those even like all those background characters
300 acting 100 costumes 100 character development huge I'd give it 200 if I could but 100 music
10 everything just not even kidding hundreds and tens all across the board so Caleb thanks
for thanks for taking this recording thank you for still still including me on there
and DJ you know I can't go without mentioning you buddy good luck you know 2022 I think
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movie seller grade for spider-man no for or no way home has come to an a we have not had
a solid a in so long yeah all right let's compare this other movies piss some people
off we do not have very many oh oh wait no never mind do okay I'll tell you guys what
just happened so we only have four a movies four of them that's it and so when I jump
to the page where it has like all the movies and the percentages in in order I didn't I
forgot to put the percentages in order so it just had the final grade and so I thought
spider-man no way home was our lowest a movie but it's not so we officially have a new number
one movie and it is spider-man no way home sitting at a whopping ninety seven point three
seven percent yeah no shit um just for shits and giggles I want to see what the score would
be if they evicted in hundred percent it across the board it still would have been top movie
oh yeah it only would have gone down by a percentage so without Vicks 100 percent across
the board it would have been at a ninety six point zero six so that is all types of surprising
to me or I mean just control off delete all that maybe there we go oh shit that is insane
so yeah there is nothing that is above this movie that that is wild but that puts it two
percent above bohemian rap city puts it three percent over the ballot of buster scrugs and
then three percent over avengers endgame yeah that's that's wild dude oh my gosh who knows
when we're ever gonna get a movie this high again yeah you got me buddy that's insane
especially with how much it dominates but he mean rhapsody by and the fact that even
with our scores alone it still would have been the highest it would have been highest
by a percentage yeah that's wild that is so crazy anyway I mean that's all anyway now
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