What is up bros welcome to the all bros podcast I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan and today we are
joined by our very special third unofficial host to wrap up the fourth of the matrix what do you
call this after quadrilogy quadrilogy that's right it's your favorite host on the East Coast
the DJ from the untrained eye back again to be the official unofficial third co-host of the all
bros did it beat Vic it's all I really came here to do you know just this kind of a victory lap
you know so let's let's have some fun today yeah this episode is the is the victory lap because
like we said last week the no way home episode yes Vic was a part of it enough to be featured
in the episode art and that's just mainly because I didn't want to change it but that doesn't but
that episode doesn't count on his official tally and may I just say I heard Vic what he had to
say like I love how Vic does a recording so he can't be challenged and he's like oh well we're
gonna here's what we're gonna do everything resets in January no it doesn't it's all cumulative Vic
we don't start our episodes over every year we're not like well back on episode 1 it's January nope
how funny would that be just like a second white UK all of our episodes disappear and we have to
start back from zero you know what though in some ways I think that would be kind of a relief for
you guys because you could be like you could really just cherry pick what you wanted to do and
it like go back and see if you would rate it the same way that you did before because I mean again
like it's got to be the that's why by the way that's why Vic wants a reset is because he wants
far from home to get a third chance nope we changed it once so that that movie is officially
on lockdown on all future untrained movie seller episodes I'm sorry Vic I didn't mean to I'm so
sorry if it makes you feel better listen Vic if you're listening right now I know you barely
listened to the show so you might not hear this I'm kidding because of course I can't say anything
I don't I hardly listen to you should not okay listen that is your shows are great they are
that's true you can't agree you don't listen you can't agree with that yeah what the hell is that
okay that's also not true because your scores would be evenly matched for every episode then
or for every movie so you do not take a word for it I mean listen the Vic you should feel good about
what happened to far from home because this rewatch leading up to matrix resurrection watching
rewatching the trilogy has really been an eye-opener for me someone who unapologetically loves the
matrix movies in the same way that you loved no way home with your oops all 100s so this has been
like this has been a real journey for me so and it is I mean it ends like it started and not in
the way that you think it does as you will see when we break this movie down hell yeah this is
gonna be an interesting one yes it will yeah so we do not have anything in 4k spotlight this week
and we do not have anything in our through the wall segment because this is kind of been a really
slow news week very very so I guess with that we can get straight into our breakdown of the
matrix resurrection once I choose a promo to so long oh bravo bravo I forget who's you said you
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broker yeah sorry I always think broken Meyer he's the guy that if you saw broken Meyer you
would know exactly who it is or maybe you wouldn't but he used to be oh no let's see broken how do
you spell broken Meyer okay maybe I won't show you never mind well I guess ironically enough
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Brecken Meyer was one of the guys you have you guys seen clueless the movie yeah Brecken
Meyer played a guy named Harrison let me see if I can get a good picture of him hmm oh here's
one from clueless tell me you can see that nope God dang it all right never mind I'm sorry this
is not a good podcast where I'm like look at this picture real quick oh you can't see it well
neither can anybody else isn't that cool hey everyone at home aren't you glad that I showed
them a picture I texted it to you I'm sorry for what I've done now you're good I think you'll be
forgiven not by Vic he's gonna be like this is why we should restart this is why we should restart because this guy's
terrible at being a host he should let me be the official hosts not the frickin unofficial third
host dude I want to get one of those those old like wrestling posters made of you and
wrote hurt you and Vic like with our Dukes up at each other dude that'd be so cool that'd be a
picture too with special guest referee bone saw we have fun here we do I agree a while so I keep
coming back wouldn't that be crazy I'm like this is no fun but I just keep coming back oh shit well
alright so jumping straight into this week's breakdown of the matrix resurrection if you are
new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different categories that we individually
score to come to a final all bros in untrained I letter grade and the eight categories that we score
our story writing acting character development effects music costumes and then we give it our
own personal grade at the very end all of those scores get added up thrown into our magic algorithm
and then they spit out letter grade for us so if you have not seen this movie spoiler alert ahead
Rose is about to read off the entire frickin synopsis for this movie and I needed to pull it
up then yes you can I just may I just say something anyone because I was listening to your episode
last week no spoilers for no way home but if anyone is they put the podcast they push play anyone
who's like I can't believe they spoiled that movie hey throw yourself into a volcano we're
spoiling the whole how are we gonna review it if we're not spoiling the whole thing well I wanted
to give this movie an a but I can't tell you anything that happened yeah I think it just kind
of I don't know I think it's just kind of makes sense if you're I mean listen I get it if you're
new to listening to podcasts and you don't understand and like maybe you're just like it's
what I think in my head but hey I don't know if you know this there are other people so it's not
what you think in your head read the description I can't help it can't help it if I don't know I
was gonna say like a fake spoiler about no way home but I figured I might accidentally give a
real one people would be super mad someone some guys on tik-tok I feel is such an asshole movie
even though he wasn't really saying a real spoiler but he would walk into like showings of no way
home I think and it would be like when it's like halfway through it and he just out a shout out a
false spoiler and then just walk back out because you know what though even when it's false like I
noticed that in endgame because I got I got some real spoilers and some false ones the false ones
ruin it too a little bit yeah it's not cool man like let people enjoy a thing no yeah I agree and
the spoiler that he said I'm not gonna say it but yeah I'm just like honestly I'm sure a lot of
people thought the spoiler that he said was going to happen so Peter Parker drinks Pepsi instead of
coke I knew it technically he's supposed to be drinking dr. pepper since that's what the original
spider-man movie was advertised with just yeah except dr. pepper is garbage okay well alright
that's it I'm out the show yep all right let's go do our own hey me and you Rose will do an
episode of the Gacy Gazette you can tell me all about John Gacy and this show is over the matrix
was great the end it got a 100 it was the highest scored all Bros movie of all time end of episode
I didn't realize you were a dr. pepper diehard as well yeah you know who else is a dr. pepper diehard
anyone who's had it in their face anyone whose lips that it has breached it has been like oh
I'm a dr. pepper person now that is not even remotely true yeah well you're from the matrix
Caleb and you are an agent need to get your source code back to the machine city and get the hell out
of here anyway getting back on topic no it's best we were on topic we were on topic now we're just
gonna get back to the movie all right Rose we got the snuffs up for you finally so have at it let's
see if I can not mess this up Thomas Anderson is a successful video game developer creator of the
matrix video game series based on his faint memories as Neo at a local coffee shop Anderson
continues to cross paths with Tiffany a married mother with no recollection of her past on which
Anderson based Trinity a character in his game Anderson struggles at times to separate perceived
reality from dreams his therapist prescribed some blue pills to suppress the occurrences which he
stops taking Anderson operates a simulation called a mo mo model model Wow God I already
screwed up a programming sandbox created to develop game characters a young woman named Bugs
learns that the modal is running old code in a loop depicting when Trinity first found Neo
within the matrix Bugs discovers a program embodying Morpheus and helps free him before
Anderson's business partner Smith can erase the model modal god damn it after discovering
his location Bugs and Morpheus extract Anderson from the matrix and learn that Smith is actually
agent Smith done done done wait a minute hold on did you guys watch the same movie I'm getting
some new information right now whoa Neo awakens in a pod and notices Trinity can find another
one nearby as machines sent by Bugs retrieve and transport him to Bugs's ship the oh my god
the minute machine yeah I definitely meant to like look up a pronunciation of that word don't know
what it means and into the human bastion low there he really I oh god damn it okay in fairness
in I'm looking I'm reading this along with you and it looks like it says lowercase L lowercase
O so thank you DJ thank you oh there he reunites with Naomi who explains that 60 years have passed
in the real world since the machine war human survivors have allied with machines that defected
to join the human society though Neo wants to rescue Trinity Naomi opposes and stead locks up
Neo Bugs and her crewmates disobeyed Naomi to assist Neo in freeing Trinity I don't know why
the way you just like did you just like sniffle a little bit I don't know why I thought someone
was behind us I freaking the hell out the ghost of John Wayne Gacy after entering the matrix they
are abruptly confronted by Smith and other exile programs who want the matrix restored to its
former form in the ensuing fight Neo manages to defeat Smith as his ability gradually as his
abilities gradually return they leave and locate Tiffany but before Neo can talk to her his
therapist appears and immobilizes Neo by manipulating time taunting Neo with references to bullet time
he reveals his identity as the analyst a program designed to study the human psyche psyche god
damn it hmm hey you got it okay good you're doing great yeah freaking chill man I'm sorry
he explains that after Neo and Trinity died he was able to resurrect them to study them in doing
so he found that suppressing their memories but keeping them close produced close produced an
efficient power producing matrix resistant to the enum anomalies anomalies thank you that caused the
previous iterations to fail Neo's liberation has destabilized the system and threatened a reboot
of their matrix according to the analyst who has bought time from his superiors he convinced them
that Neil would voluntarily return to his pod to avoid putting Trinity's life in danger Neil and
bugs forcibly exit the matrix when another ship sent by Niobe brings the menace sign back to I
I I oh is it low or I oh I oh wait wait wait wait wait I I looked this up hold on a second
did you hear that nemosene okay nemosene nemosene
so okay so the nemosene back to I oh got it Niobe takes Neo to sati an exile program he previously
met whose parents were killed by the machines seeking revenge sati sat that's how you pronounce
sati sati uh my ass helps devise a plan to free Trinity oh where dude it's right there oh
back in the matrix Neo makes a deal with the analyst that if he fails to convince Trinity
to remember her past and voluntarily leave the matrix he would agree to return to his pod the
analyst accepts as Neo tries to convince Tiffany she's part of the matrix her family appears
enticing her to stay she initially gives in but soon after rejects them recalling her true identity
as Trinity as the analyst attempts to kill her Smith inter intercedes seeking revenge for his
own imprisonment which gives Neo Trinity and the others time to escape being the last ones to be
extracted Neo and Trinity become comered corner corn that looked like an M for some reason I know
amazing that is amazing
I have never enjoyed a mispronunciation of a word more than corneered uh
never well I am honored um
damn it rose
oh yeah holding hands they leap off hoping Neo regains his flight
but instead Trinity gain gains flight and flies them to safety with Trinity's new bound control
over the matrix both return to confront the analyst who now assumes a submissive posture
they thank him for a fresh start start fresh start which they intend to use to remake the matrix
matrix as they see fit dude you struggled that was a lot listen there I I like that you guys do the
whole thing but like it is so much like when me and Vic were doing that for no way home or for far
from home and I looked and saw that there was like 87 paragraphs I was like this can't be right
this is too many words yeah well if you get the if you get the movie like when it's fresh
yes like just fresh out then it's a lot shorter than when it's like I mean at the time of recording
this movie has only been out for like a little over a week right because it came out the 22nd
is that right yeah and we're recording after the 20 I don't know you guys never say the time when
you record so we're recording on Monday this is live you're hearing it live
yes whoa indeed already 26 yes
yeah actually today it's been out for a week exactly so that was still a lot of words also
I'm not a big fan of the he the architect or sorry the the what do they call him the analyst
yeah what do they say the assumes a submissive posture oh yeah he's the one that's the one that
posture a word he was just sitting relax he was submissive after she kicked his jaw off his face
oh yeah dude that was wow yeah so I was not expecting that in a Matrix film yeah that was weird there was a
lot of the end a lot of weird stuff started happening like it's almost like you know how
there are some movies where you know like you know it takes months and months to like film it
and edit it and do all these things but for some reason when you watch a movie it's almost like
they're making it in real time and they forgot they only have 20 minutes left and they're like
oh my god it's the end let's go come on come on come on come on we got end stuff to do
there was a lot of that in this movie I was like all right guys it's uh anyway let's start from
the beginning what'd you guys think of this movie that we just saw I thought it was better than the
second again not a high bar I know not a high bar at all but what here's the real question
was it better than the third because there is an answer and there's a correct answer that's that's
a real tough one it is a real tough answer but there is a correct answer do you want me to give
it to you so you guys don't have to feel bad no I'm gonna say no I'm gonna also say no I'm gonna
you know what I'm gonna change the curve I'm gonna say yes you thought it was better than the third
I don't know for me I feel that this one was a little more comprehensive for me
I so I definitely got you watch the same movie as we did this which is which is for story or
writing I always store a story so here's the thing about this one here is what's crazy about this
movie so what do we say about the second and third movie uh most likely that thing could have been
cut down into one movie and we could have just had two matrixes right this movie in my opinion
they were like what if we had two entire movies and mashed them into one movie like this I felt
like this should have been two movies like it definitely was not three it wasn't a new trilogy
worthy but the stuff that they were not able to like flesh out in this movie it was it was it was
I was like come on guys do the thing just make two more it's fine nobody cares at this point it's all
it's all icing now you already made the cake I mean but it's not doing that great at the box office so
so maybe they kind of only had one shot to coven invent the uh anyway well and it being on HBO Max
doesn't help they say that did you also hear that this is the last movie that they're doing like
that like HBO Max going forward is not going to be releasing uh well so no now what they're saying
is I think they're starting with the Batman that it's going to be in theaters only for the first
45 days and then it's also going to be available on HBO Max as well yes which you know I get it
makes sense um but also it was kind of nice to not have to deal with going out if you didn't want to
or just didn't have time to like in my case like I for sure did not have time to go see this in the
theater before we did this episode um but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about
the story so smash cut to uh the Matrix reboot for a second because did everybody think that
when this first started were you like hold on a second are they just trying to like are they
just remaking the Matrix is that what's happening because you see this Trinity look it starts on you
see it's that hotel that is from the first movie but not quite and then you see this Trinity person
that's kind of dressed like Trinity but not quite and then you see her face and it's dollar store
Trinity and you're like huh this is weird what is happening right now uh and then Bug shows up and
it's like oh my god this is where the crazy part happens you're like what is happening how confused
were you guys in the first 10 minutes of the movie I think that's my ultimate question
extremely yeah considering that like uh when they get to like the rooftop she's just all like oh
this is not how it's supposed to happen I'm just like then why is it happening this way
yeah it was it was so the story what did you guys think of the story overall let's let's just start
there wait really quickly can I take back what I said of how now thinking about that scene I take
back with saying that this movie was more uh comprehend comprehendable than the third one
I feel that scene alone just kind of ruins that for me so I disagree with what I said
like the story for me was kind of crazy because it took me along to like as soon as they said the
word modal I was like for real like we're just going straight into just jargon that there's no
way I could possibly know unless I google it all right they're in a modal whatever that means
uh and you're just I don't know I felt like I was trying to hold on to what information I had and
trying to piece it together with what was happening later to be like aha I've made a connection and
now I know what's happening um I there's so much I didn't get a chance to write anything down
but like everything what did you guys think of the story I I need I need someone to bounce off of
tell me um I don't know for me I I feel the thing that I did appreciate at least with the story is
that they were kind of throwing in uh things from the original movie just to give you kind of like a
refresher so like you didn't necessarily need to see you didn't need to watch the first three again
to understand to understand this one because they kind of give you a refresher throughout the whole
movie yeah now when you say a ref yeah if you say a ref you say a refresher but what do you mean by
that do you mean like when they would show like the flashbacks or what do you mean yeah that yeah
mostly that because what was your take on that Caleb like when they would show those flashbacks
because I thought that what they are supposed to be was not explained very well yeah that
the flashbacks were a little hit and miss like there were some definite like big ones like with
um with smith yelling like mr anderson mr anderson like I thought that was super cool like that was a
really good flashback but then there were like some other just random ass ones so this was my
interpretation of those quote-unquote flashbacks was I thought that this was like I think with
what you're supposed to take from like what the machines have done to neo which is um the conceit
is is that they have reconstructed him and reinserted him essentially back into the matrix
because it seems like he's in the the matrix that everyone is in but just disguised so that people
won't know who he is um but also there's this thing where like people clearly don't know what
happened that are back in the matrix like they they clearly had the choice to be or not be in
the matrix but they don't know why because if they played that game wouldn't they be like hey
that's that guy that rescued us all um but to me that was like seeing those flashbacks was him
like us seeing him feel crazy at least because he's like having these weird flashbacks and like not
understanding them uh because we get that once you finally see him talk to uh neopatrick harris the
analyst they don't actually ever give him a name do they it's just the analyst right yeah um like
you you kind of have to piece together that he is going crazy and that he has to take these blue
pills so that he doesn't go crazy and like when he sees you know uh when he sees his business partner
his mouth start to melt into itself or when you know like what you're talking about when he was
i they had that awesome scene where morpheus tries to like break him out uh he you know the
next thing you know you see him back in there and he's like oh it's you know everything you saw was
not real uh sorry he was back in front of the analyst uh at the end of that big gunfight uh as
if nothing had happened and the analyst is telling him oh you just you just wandered up here and uh
now we're talking about this and you know it's not real right uh so that's how i took those but it
just wasn't explained very well i don't think that that's what and by the way i'm just guessing i
don't even know if that's what it was or if that was just like a sneaky way to get uh laurence
fishburne and hugo weaving into a movie that they should have been in yeah fair enough
yeah it was
it was different well because i feel like the the big reason that they just they disguised
neo which they they were very inconsistent with what neo supposedly looked like in the real world
because there were a couple times where i saw flashes of like a bald dude yeah right i thought
so too then we never see that like that dude again and then they're just like this is what you really
look like to people and it's like this old like kiana reeves knockoff okay so here's a couple of
funny things about that one like if the trivia that i read on imdb is correct which who knows
uh that guy that plays his like uh his avatar that everyone else sees is cariann moss's actual
husband that is who they show okay which i thought was interesting um and what was i going to say her
uh her husband in the movie uh chad which hilarious that they named this dude chad i mean
by the way can i just say the one thing about the i guess this is more of a writing thing
well we'll get into it then yeah so chad one thing i think is funny about him wait let me get back to
the trivia because this is very good like this is this is the most meta thing about this movie
trinity's alter ego tiffany is now married to chad played by chad i can't pronounce his last name
who directed the john wick series with kiana reeves he is he in fact was the stunt double
for kiana reeves in the image in the original matrix trilogy hence both played neo in a way
trinity is married to neo so that's some trippy shit yeah like it's this weird like uh
like i never would have known that had i not read that trivia but that's like the
the the weirdest like oh like how deep into the matrix are we
dude like super this movie if we if i was going to give it praise for anything
it's for how freaking meta this got yeah talking about like oh we're revisit or revisiting the
the matrix or like uh we got to deal with warner brothers and i'm just like wait what yeah what the
hell is up with that like really they're gonna make this with or without you like it was that
kind of stuff though i thought was super weird like i didn't enjoy that actually because i was
like what i was honestly when that happened when they were talking about the like this game is
going to happen with or without you i'm like what is this movie about to be like is this going to
be a spoof of a matrix movie or that's what i was super worried about it being dude it kind of gave
me um never-ending story vibes have you seen that no actually so at the end you're supposed to like
they do this reveal where you we so you're watching this kid read a book and then this book is like
what's the the story is and so in the in the kid's story she like there's this princess and she's
supposed to be given a name and but she's not supposed to be given the name by anyone other
than the kid reading the book and then she like goes and reveals that even someone's watching that
kid and you're and like referring to us the audience i'm like what yeah as a little kid
that movie is like it is inception for children because you're like what is happening
i feel inception for children was like the jimmy timmy power hours for how is this able how is this
working no that's like that's i think that was like 90s kid uh and first crossover okay yeah i
don't think that they went like they went meta with this like with never ending story there is
a princess in a storybook that knows she's in a storybook that wants to be named by the child
reading said storybook and also referring to the audience the audience that is watching the kid
read the storybook it's the equivalent of shrek closing the book shrek at the end of the movie
shrek right uh what am i watching right now that i just watch a guy read a book is this i don't
understand uh yeah there was let me just say before we go any further like i watched this movie and i
am like in my bedroom alone like beth was like listen i know you gotta watch this movie she's
like you know you have some time just go watch it now so i was able to watch it by myself and i'm
like i'm thinking i'm like i'll just lay back on my bed and watch this movie nope i'm like sitting
up all the way sitting up i'm standing at times i'm like leaning into the tv like oh my god it's
happening i'm watching the matrix like saati showed up and i'm like weeping when he it was an hour in
when she bugs showed up and was like we're going back to the matrix and he was like okay and you
can see like the back door in the background and she's about to take him through and she took him
through and went into that train and i was like it's happening we're in the matrix again like it
was great like i loved watching this movie i'm going i'm going to say some down things about it
but i loved this movie as much as i loved any of the other ones but like i said at the beginning
this watch through has been a real sobering experience for uh what the matrix trilogy
now quadrilogy really is so yeah i do want to i just want to make that point i love this movie
uh i don't care i don't care what ends up being said about it i do love this movie
yeah i mean that's a good story like getting into the like the actual score i'm not
like i'm not like in the 90s by no means but yeah no i'm like maybe the lower 80s like in the 83 84
range yeah i was 85 i was 85 because and again it's the thing it's like i said at the beginning
like this was this should have been two movies like i know i know for you know reasons that can't be
that can't be but all maybe not even that i think it could have could have done well with an extra
like 10 or 20 minutes i disagree like i feel like they started they started pulling on so many
threads that i think could be followed that i just i i i would have sat through more of this
like you know i mean like if they wanted to if they if this first movie all led up to uh the trinity
heist where they get up to you know they get up to machine city and they're like we're gonna get her
and then the next movie was where they like actually give her because by the way yes cariann
moss was technically in this movie uh but not enough time like she was tiffany most of the time
so if they had if they made this movie honestly if they made this movie 20 or 30 minutes shorter
and then uh made the next movie about getting her and her you know uh finding these new powers of
like because that's the other thing you get to the end and you're like i'm sorry so is she the other
one is this a like symbiosis thing where like they they've always both been the one or is flying
like something that anyone could unlock eventually if they love somebody else enough like what are we
what's happening here at the end what's going on here yeah i'm wondering if like just them being
so connected like initially and also like the weird resurrection thing that they were doing
at the exact same time and just that super powerful connection they had kind of made them both the one
but again if they had had more movie it could have they could have easily done deeper into that
yeah i would have actually really liked to see more of trinity's perspective yes like see what
what she's dealing with because i mean we saw like probably way too much of what neo was doing
or wasn't doing you know you know the problem though right is that because that was another
little piece of trivia that i that i read was that hugo weaving uh he had scheduling conflicts
because he was supposed to be in this movie and he had scheduling conflicts that but here's the
thing they dealt with like a theater production that he's doing so were there really scheduling
conflicts or is he like no thanks i'm gonna go ahead and pass on this one homie uh and then
laurence fishburne canonically that avatar is dead because they are keeping uh the matrix online as
canon so they just couldn't bring laurence fishburne back and like their sideways way of doing it was
like hey thomas anderson created with old matrix code which again we could have gone just i don't
know two more minutes into old matrix code that is just within the matrix uh on his computer huh
but anyway we made this dollar store matrix uh on on thomas anderson's computer that has like
uh likenesses of all of these people that were part of his life uh including morpheus and that
was their way of like getting morpheus back in of like well it's not really morpheus but it's what
neo remembers here's already what thomas remembers about who morpheus was and now he's this program
avatar thing that happens i don't know there's just there's too much that ends with i don't know
because they they i'm telling you i think they needed they needed more time to flush some of
these ideas out a little bit yeah agreed they needed a lot more time with that so i'll take
back my statement like i can definitely see how this this could have been and had an extra movie
like i would have loved to explore io a little bit more yes like that was like insane like the
the fact that like machines and humans were working together like that and creating like some crazy
shit yes they're like listen we figured out how to extract uh dna from the matrix into the real world
to make strawberries and whatever else and they had this weird like role reversal thing of like
the citizenry was kind of more like uh more like morpheus because they're like all of a sudden
everyone is like we need to be freeing minds what's her face has not been freeing minds for
years and we think that's ridiculous and she uh what's it called niobi she was the one that like
basically took on the captain roland role uh which i thought i don't know how i felt about
roland's daughter or granddaughter or whatever being like my great-grandpapa he hated you in
public but in private he said that you gave him a second uh a second whatever pulling out of the
matrix whatever they called it and i was like uh i mean thank you but also i don't know that i needed
roland's great-granddaughter to be here dude i i'll be real i completely forgot who the hell
roland was he was the exactly by the way but that was niobi's old flame he was he was the only guy
talking since in movie two and three he was like yo these machines are fixing to kill us
uh you guys are over here talking about uh digital jesus and i'm trying to shoot some machines in the
face can we please shoot these machines uh instead of talking about digital jesus and then they had
his whoever it was his great-grandniece like in secret he thought you were great okay thank you
yeah that was never established but cool
well they did a lot of weird non-establishing things because that was the thing too she brought
him to what you find uh niobi brings neo to what you find out is basically like a crypt of all of
the people from zion that uh followed morpheus because i guess apparently mo or uh morpheus got
his mojo back uh after the third movie ended and uh the my understanding of what she was telling him
was that the zion the people the original zion people couldn't let it go and they just were not
going to be able to be in i.o as it was now and like all of those candles were all of those zion
people that died uh after the after the war was over so i don't know man like there is so much
like that that's just one more thing that like i feel like should have gotten a little bit more
of a deep dive than like here's a here's a mediocre statue of morpheus uh he was bad but
yet we still have the statue of him uh go to jail now
yeah dude i thought that was such bullshit and oh and the fact that he had a freaking balcony
yeah of course yeah what the hell was up with that like can you say plot convenience well but was it
the thing too of like uh you know here's the thing everything can be explained away if you want to
explain it away because the same way that they were saying like oh even though you didn't know
that you who you were and that you were neo like you made it up to me and you were like oh
neo like you made this modal and it had this this way in that only we would be able to know how to
get in so we'd be able to free your mind again like was this an extension of that in niobi
like even though she was outwardly saying like we have to wait and see because you can't put this
in jeopardy like she put him in that room because you know well if he escapes then maybe he will
free us again or whatever because by the way what is the what i i that is the here is the most
confusing thing about the story and i guess we can go with writing too is like what like what were
they what were they like what was he they're like we're gonna go rewrite the matrix like that was
the end but why like what does that mean there are other people that are hidden that are like uh
powerful like neo and trinity like what i'm confused i was just confused as to what they
were fighting against and ultimately won at the end of this movie like i'm just not sure because
the whole thing the whole conceit of i.o was they're like yeah i mean humans and machines we live
together in harmony we high five watch this boom i just high five some magnets that look like a
person uh and that but i mean what is happening in the matrix that they're like nope nope we have
to remake it as we see fit yeah silence exactly yeah they they could have really done done more
just exploring this new universe a little bit better like don't rehash the things we already
know about the real world but i mean at least catch us up to date on what happened like give
us a history of how i.o happened or or something i mean honestly i would give writing a little bit
higher honestly like probably like 87 88 i'm gonna go 88 just because crazy 88s you know uh because
i think they did a lot of like callbacks to the to the whole matrix trilogy really well like it
wasn't super like it wasn't solo you know what i mean you know how solo was like just people
winking at the camera going star wars you know stuff happened uh like this they they had like
a good reason for like that first that first uh weird 10 minutes to happen where you're like
what is happening why are these like weird matrix people happening i don't get it
i don't get it uh and then like they end up in in that version of thomas anderson's old apartment
which like the split second before she was like we're in his apartment i was like i think they're
in his old apartment uh because you it's harder to recognize because if you remember in the first
movie you only see it at night so and then when they were in it it was in the middle of the day
uh and i don't know like they just there was a lot of good there was a lot of good things that
happened in this movie callback wise i feel like um that i appreciated very much because again it
was like it was more of like to me anyway it felt like hey remember me it's your old friend the
matrix and i was like i remember you the old scamp all right where were you sitting that story rose
82 82 yeah oh wait were we on story or writing no we're we we just didn't get his story grade
that's my bad for not speaking up for myself sorry i speak too much for everyone so we are sitting
with story at an 83.33 yep um moving on over to writing we you already said you're at an 88
yeah i'm actually i'm actually going opposite i'm going to go a little bit lower than you because i
feel like there were a quite a few different things that one were kind of confusing but like
another thing and i i don't know if you were going to address this at all pardon me kind of hope that
you were um why the hell was the maro vingian there other than just like yell roasts at people
that was can i just tell you the part of the movie i enjoyed the most it was when the mirror
of vingian showed up and was a cave person you ruined me can i tell you what was funny about
that is that he was like this cave person that looked like he had been living uh in i don't know
just a shoe in the mud uh but then all of his all of his little acolytes which again in true
matrix form were not really explained at all apparently they were magicians because they just
caught bullets in their teeth uh and but they they all looked fine like they all just looked normal
and this guy just looked like he'd been rolling around in the dirt for the past 60 years uh so i
don't know i'm confused as to why he looked like that but i was glad that can i just tell you i
don't know why i understand it wasn't good but that was something that i enjoyed like it was not good
but i when i saw him and realized who he was before he started speaking with his french accent
i was like yes i'm glad to see you back hey buddy how's it going and they called him merv just like
uh trinity did in the fur in the third movie like because i think was morpheus said like
something again like calling back like what'll it be merv which i thought was hilarious
hilarious yeah like my biggest problem with him like if if he would have done something other than
just yell it was amazing i don't care well i want to tell you this this is this is my reasoning for
giving it higher in writing than in story is i feel like because i feel like this movie could
have been pulled apart into two movies um there was a lot of threads that were pulled on that i
feel like should have been pulled on more and that's why i think the writing was good is because
like clearly they had some cool ideas that for one reason or the other didn't get fleshed out
whether it was because they didn't have the time they knew they weren't going to have another movie
they actually weren't as good as we actually hoped that they were which is very possible
that like they i mean think about it they had either wachowski or both of them had almost 20
years to like be kicking around an idea for the matrix four uh and this is what we got so
either they're not as good as we thought they were or like again like all of these things that
that got teased i don't know i feel like i just talked myself to a lower grade but i'm keeping 88
what are you thinking rose i don't know for me the writing was the same as the story for me it was
it was it was good um but just it's definitely nothing compared to the original matrix and like
dj said for how long that they had to come up with a story for matrix four along with writing as well
um but we could have definitely gotten something better so i'd say yeah i'd go for an 82 as well
guys i think that was that was what everyone said whether it was true or not about the first matrix
is like it had been a script that they were kicking around trying to get made for like a decade
um and then when it finally got made they were like oh well this is the product of they've had
uh 10 years to like have this story and rewrite it and fine tune it over all this time uh which
you know that that doesn't mean that because it's been this amount of time that they've been
thinking about making this movie that whole time so maybe it was a case of like it was as meta as
it seemed like and warner brothers was like we're making this movie with or without you
so you have you know maybe they only had a year or maybe she only had a year because it was only
because lana she directed and wrote it too right it was not both of the wachowskis right yeah it's
just one of them yeah yeah so i don't know like it clearly i think they are talented i just don't
know let's see writers also by a dude named david mitchell david mitchell well see here's it
oh based on characters never mind um who is david mitchell let's see if he's written anything good
uh loud atlas oh god dude one bit of writing that i really liked and this is kind of tying
in like a bunch of different categories but so i'm going to try and solely focus on writing
and then bring up my other issues and in the in the
the other categories but i really liked the analyst yeah i liked him a lot too even though
he was he had his on the nose blue glasses he was like hey in case anyone's wondering blue
it's blue like the pill blue come on that ph always has to be flashy dude he did a an amazing job at
making me feel like i was crazy i'm like dude was the matrix even real was it all a video game
yeah that's what that he did an amazing job like i think that was a uh
that was a good step up from the architect uh because what was it he he even mentions that his
character mentions that right he's like uh my my predecessor was too focused on like the
the ones and zeros i am here to understand the i'm here because i understand the emotion
uh and that showed because he emoted way more than any of the other like uh
i would say even more than the oracle or the architect like the oracle was like
she was a sweet lady but this guy was like very like uh animated so i don't know i liked him i
liked him a lot yeah and i mean i think if we're ready to get into acting um sitting at writing
writing is actually tied with the story now 83.33 i love it um but bring or getting into acting a
little bit i i don't know if i've ever seen other than maybe like the series of unfortunate events
where he played um uh count olaf or something like that um neil patrick harris makes a great
villain uh yes there's another what is that thing that he did wait you can't see it
he did wait you you guys talk about that i'm gonna find this thing what did you know he did a voice
in star trek or star wars visions no carl petrick harris yes it was i bet it was a uh
i bet it was the freaking whatchamacallit android yeah no he's not top build sorry there's another
thing where he did do a uh he did do a villain series of events mystery science theater oh he
was an american horror story huh uh let's see how i met your mother kind of a villain in that one
i'm gonna find it uh i would say a very herald and kumar christmas he was definitely a creep
i don't know if he was a villain he was an asshole whoa did you know he i'm sorry he in in
batman under the red hood he was the voice of dick gration dick grason uh slash nightwing
yep this guy whoa shit all right i'm not gonna find it i don't think he was in both herald and
kumars have either there's this thing it's herald and kumars i've not dude if you want a good i mean
if you're okay with a very raunchy comedy watch all three they're amazing i'm sorry all three
what was the third one the christmas one i don't think i saw that one what yeah i don't think i
saw that one oh it's really good i mean i feel it's not as good as the first two but it's still a
really good third one second one's my favorite escape from guantanamo bay that one's so good
all right i can't find what i was looking for but whatever we found out some other interesting
things about mph yeah he was great sorry sorry for my derailment yeah it's just like he's so
unsuspecting and is so animated it just kind of makes him seem like when he's doing like the bad
shit makes him seem more menacing well and that i mean that is why he was like a perfect um a perfect
pick to play count olaf in a series of unfortunate events because he i feel like it's very like jim
carry-esque like because when jim carry plays a evil or a bad guy you're like i never would have
expected this but this is amazing yeah exactly oh like i jeez i i think he might be top of my like
if we were doing the top three he might be my my number one the guy that can i tell you comes a
close second for me two things that made me sad about this movie was that uh the one guy that
played smith's avatar in the third movie i guess technically the second movie too uh since he died
i guess we couldn't have that guy come back to be his uh to be his uh business partner because i know
they have to have dude it would have been perfect like i wish so bad he hadn't died so that we could
have had that because i think i like that guy jonathan groff whatever his name is but i really
much rather would have seen the other guy i mean listen i really much rather would have seen hugo
weaving uh but if i had to pick my second choice it would have been that dude uh that played his uh
his human character in the the last two movies um i don't know like i think because laurence
fishburne and hugo weaving couldn't come back to it it had to focus more on neo only and uh i don't
know i don't know that that was good i think it's i think i i don't know i almost wish they could have
waited to get everybody and do that do whatever version of hugo weaving and cariann moss and maybe
even try and get laurence fishburne back in there figure out a way like i don't know neo seems to be
pretty good at coding uh humans in the old matrix like maybe he could be like i know it's not the
real morpheus but i remembered his face so i put it in this other one and now the program just looks
like the morpheus i remember so we can at least have laurence fishburne back yeah dude that would
have led for some great moments between him and niobi oh yeah dude if he would have appeared as
as like one of the the programs i've been wild i mean for sure we all we all unanimously agree
that uh jada pinkett smith gets the number one acting right because uh she did the best she did
the best 60 year old person we ever saw how old was she supposed to be you think because it was
60 years later how old do you think she was in the last matrix movie like in that in that
that probably her early 20s i straight up didn't even know that was her coming back i thought that
was a different no shit dude that's hilarious i yeah when people were just like oh yeah jay
pickett smith came back i'm like bullshit that doesn't even look like her yeah well our credits
our effects ratings are going to be wildly different i think
i think it's like if they weren't they are now
no you have to rate it like you when you saw it you thought it was a real old lady so
and not someone with just a frozen old face
uh poor jada pinkett smith um yeah where were we oh we're talking about the actors right well yeah
what did you guys think of kyanu in this movie
probably not like he's a was about the same i would say as he was in the third
was about the same i would say as he was in the third yeah i enjoyed i oh sorry i'm sorry
so sorry no i was gonna say like uh for like i know like for the past couple years he's like
returned to a lot of his franchises that made him a big star i liked him more in bill and ted
at least with his acting i liked it better in bill and ted three than yes is acting and as neo in
here you sir are wrong i think much like dr pepper we are correct on this one because he like it was
this weird thing like i love kyanu i i i uh i feel like he had as many lines in this movie as he had
in the first movie in the sense that like all of his stuff was questions and like uh i don't know
like one sentence like what is happening here oh this is the best thing i've done all in recent
memory or whatever he said to tiffany this is the best thing i've done in a long time like all right
man you did it you're a real eccentric video game maker uh like it's like kyanu reeves doesn't play
characters he just plays kyanu reeves yes he does yeah and don't get it twisted i love kyanu reeves
he'll always be my fave um but i wouldn't who okay here's my question who would you guys give
of your top three uh acting performances in this movie because the more i think about this the more
i'm like i don't know oh all right i i have mine um number one i'm giving it to neil patrick harris
yes number two this one was tough but i think i'm going to give it to jay to pink it
is it pink it or picket pink it pink it oh it's pink it oh hey rose i've been sorry i've been
sorry i've been meaning to ask you this whole time will you move that coke can slightly to
the left or right because it is perfectly blocking kaleb i'm sorry i'm sorry about that
apologies yeah if my phone didn't suck so wait so who is your number three
and then my number three i'm probably going to give to karyann the mirror of indian oh what
what no like i was going to go for um for smith it's just he wasn't in it enough for me to like
karyann was barely in it enough to make that top three but i was going to say like but but then
who would be the third one like who was really in this movie more like honestly i would put bugs at
number three but i would take her back out again because they named her bugs and it's warner
brothers i was like are you for real like we're just that was this whole thing is on the nose
right like everything is on but i liked her because they like i mean you know spoiler alert for
character development i feel like she was the only one now i take it back even as i'm saying it i was
going to say she's the only one that had an arc but i don't know if anyone had an arc in this movie
i think everyone just came in and was like it's character time uh but she was the one that like
they did manage to do enough with her that i was like oh i like this person i would watch
i would watch her story or at least a little side quest starring bugs um so i i think i would have
the same list as you but bugs would be number three yeah that's fair i really liked her character
um even though she kind of was just thrown in to take the bullet for for trinity a couple times
yes
uh the the callback i enjoyed the most was when when that uh the program showed up in that uh
that stingray machine uh and it was saati from the from the third movie and uh i was like
that was a moment where a tear pushed through my eyeballs as well not the same actress i did check
uh but still i was like she's back she's helping neo hooray beautiful sun rises for everybody
dude she did have a very striking resemblance to that actress yes that was insane i'm like you guys
couldn't have cast that any better
i liked her i like yeah yeah what about you rose what would your top three be uh number one same
as you guys uh neil patrick harris two even though caleb said he isn't in the movie a lot i just
really enjoyed his um portrayal of the character i'd give it to smith what's his name john uh
jonathan groff i think his name yeah i i i think i think i think i think i think i think i think i
think yeah i i really enjoyed his performance his interpretation of smith um and then third uh i i'd
agree with you dj uh bugs even though the whole thing oh yeah loco's and bunny was so stupid
but yeah but other than that pretty good character to introduce to this franchise
is dude i will say the only thing that kept um jonathan groff from getting number three other
like the thing that just kind of pushed him down a little bit lower for me was he i think his
performance of hugo weaving could have been a little bit better i wouldn't have even like minded
like i i didn't want him to do like a full-blown impersonation or anything but i would have really
liked to hear him call him mr anderson instead of just tom i gotta tell you like after we if we had
never seen that guy play agent smith in the second and third movie i would agree with you
but that dude in that movie was so good that it made all other portrayals stupid like it
like i like this guy i like jonathan groff but i just i don't agree like
it was it was an impossible task that he was asked to do uh so i for sure don't think anything
less of him like i like him just as much as i ever did but it's just not it's just we saw it we
we saw it we already saw what it should have been it was in the the last two movies so this guy he
was he was fighting a battle that was unwinnable yeah i mean i'll agree but i think just
continuing on with the the mr anderson thing would have been
just something something a little bit extra for him he only did it the one time
uh when he's just screaming at him and starts shooting at him which by the way terrible shot
he was very close to him and missed a lot and then when he shot the desk he shot the desk right
where he was like you saw you saw the corner of the desk explode right where neo was and we are
supposed to believe that a gun the size of someone's forearm uh just was like a particle board
particle board man it's too much and i just uh just stopped the bullet bro dude we'll get into
this with effects but i feel like there was a lot of the freaking clone trooper shots
well i do i did want to say this too because i was looking through uh the list on imdb of all the
actors and i will say i did like i couldn't i'll never be able to pronounce this dude's name but
the guy that played morpheus um or knew morpheus last agent smith um i
i liked him but again he felt like one of the things that was too rushed
like that he had this this crazy thing happen to him where that's only slightly addressed by the
way like because neo's like oh you're just supposed to be a program and he like you can see that there
was about to be this existential crisis uh confrontation that's about to happen of like
you know you had me trapped in this modal for god knows how long uh but they just kind of they just
kind of gloss over it so that the story can happen and uh he's just like i just help because now i
can be outside of the matrix but in the matrix uh i get out of the matrix to get into the matrix to
get out of the matrix that's that was his that was his hero's journey uh which yeah he did well as
well he would be a if there was a top four he would be in the top four but again he just didn't
get enough time in this movie either i don't think yeah unfortunately um so what are you guys
thinking with the acting score i'm at an 85 85 yeah i
i think i'm gonna go 85 as well um because yeah no one oh yeah that's acting yeah yeah i'm gonna
go with 85 i'm gonna go a little bit lower um just because there were some things i was maybe
not much it's just like two points i'm at 83 i mean listen i'm saving my lower score for the
next category so don't worry yeah so we are sitting with acting at an 84.3
we all right moving on over to character development this one's gonna be freaking
hard because they're practically yeah seriously was that who not really one name one character
that developed go ahead and then and then you have to show your work so you can't just say a name
dude you can't it's it's freaking hard like i feel like i feel like trinity would have had some pretty
decent development had we seen what the hell she was doing the entire movie or if we were able to
they actually showed that there was like a struggle like you didn't see that there was a
quote unquote struggle uh there was like this weird like i guess it's supposed if i'm just
making stuff up uh what we see up until the the archer or the the what does he call the analyst
gives her the choice we see like a version of what we saw at the beginning of the first matrix with
neo whenever morpheus is talking to him and he's like or i'm sorry whenever trinity is talking to
him and you know you know you don't belong here you don't know what's you know something's wrong
and you don't know what and everything's weird and you don't know why and then the conversation
he has with morpheus about you know the matrix is all around you you can't understand it like
she seems to be having that kind of weird existential crisis because she's like i i saw
the i never played the game and then i went through and played it and i thought it looked like me and
my husband laughed in my face and i wanted to kick his jaw right off his face and i was like okay
i'm glad we got that paid off at the end with the uh analyst but uh yeah you just didn't get to see
enough of her like it honestly i felt like that movie should have been more based either on or
around her or at least they should have been splitting the difference and give her more of
like a a struggle of what to do but you didn't get to see it maybe there maybe that did happen
we just didn't get to see that uh so i again ask tell me what character developed in this movie and
how i feel i feel tiffany's kids definitely developed considering the first question one of
them asked neo is are you trying to bang my mom dude that just got so weird jokes on you kid i
already did dude but what's stupid what was so dumb about that you'd never like it didn't seem
like a hard choice for her to make like it didn't seem like she was struggling with it like there
was just no like it was just because we didn't see her interacting with this family at all
like i would have actually much referred them to kind of shift the focus and do a trinity where
where she's like the one that escapes first and then you kind of do the whole reliving the matrix
thing and then you have to like go and save neo or like the way that they showed they portrayed
or this was another weird thing that i don't understand the way they portrayed bugs and
morphius okay morphius when he was agent smith in that modal uh he was like i started seeing the
i started seeing the code everywhere i would see it in the the dew drops and the but then she was
talking about seeing that too but that doesn't make sense because she wasn't in that she wasn't
living in that modal she was living in the matrix like not the matrix within the matrix that he was
in uh but let's just say that that does make perfect sense maybe they could have just had
uh i don't know like a 30 minute chunk that was all about cariann moss's tiffany uh maybe she is
starting to see the matrix maybe she is starting to have like some of those flashbacks or or you
know crazy moments that that neo is having uh you know i don't know yeah or her kids like maybe
playing the matrix just some shots like wow that looks cool like yeah like the it was one of those
situations where they told us not showed us where she's just like i i i went and played your game
cool i would have loved to see that but how dope is this game that they were like when they finally
went to to get him the second time and they were like we brought you here to show try to get neo
the second time they're like we brought you here because this is familiar to you we have the the
red leather chair we have all the we have they said they're like we have the game being projected
onto these like screens or whatever and it was legit just the movie like what the heck kind of
game is this like what are you saying movie like is our games what are games in the matrix that
it just looks like you're watching a movie with laurence fishburne like clearly laurence fishburne
and clearly kianu reeves which yes i guess we couldn't see kianu as who he truly was but still
like well and that begs the question too in the in the game the matrix did that kianu read or did
the the neo in that matrix look like the neo that everyone else saw or did he look like
or did he look like or did he look like kianu reeves
not the mind off right there because by the way she said she said too she's like i why i looked
at this game and i saw myself in this character but like when you see the reflection of her it's
clearly not her uh so was that the same thing in the game too like it looked like the trinity that
we know but it was actually the the digital overlay that was that on their whatever in the in the
matrix i don't know too many questions too many threads that were shown and not pulled on enough
yeah unfortunately dude i think i'm down in the 60s with character development dude yeah same
like i'm i'm pretty freaking low like i'm i'm gonna be nice just because this movie
no i'm not i lied i'm gonna i'm gonna go to like a 67 and that's as nice as i can possibly be
i think i'm gonna give it a 70
um i'll go a little higher than caleb 68 now what i can't wait for honestly is like
the the real brains to like dissect this movie and then i they're like well actually if you look
at it from this perspective uh what happened was that and actually i was wrong and this movie is
way better than i realized uh that's what i'm hoping happens i don't think that's the truth
but i'm open to it because i will be watching this movie a million more times like i spoiler alert
like i will watch this movie as much as i've watched any of the other matrix movies for sure
dude i hope this movie ages just as well as the other ones did like this one was super solid
like if we're like it's better than two and two wasn't like completely unwatchable
yeah it's just what it was just like maybe a hair or two below three
yeah at least for me yeah i would agree with that
um getting into effects and this is one of the things i wanted to bring up earlier regarding the
uh the analyst i loved like it it seemed like it was so basic but i loved neil patrick harris's
effect when he was like just kind of jumping around all over like the way that they lowered his frame
rate was awesome okay now this is where you and i are going to super diverge because i was like
why did he just become an 80s movie fever dream like what is happening like why is everything why
is everything in this movie look so awesome uh barring niobes uh old makeup uh like why is he like
uh like why is he like like what robo cop would be seeing as he was losing batteries
uh i just i that to me that kind of threw me out of it i was like all right like
by the way that was another thing i think this would go to story too that didn't make sense to
me because the part you're talking about was when they were in uh tiffany's motorcycle shop
and he was there and he was like i got the idea from your modal so i've been running this over
and over and over again are we to understand that like he this has happened a million times
and he figured out the best way to be able to get the upper hand on neo was to have this bullet
time thing happen where everything slows down except for him or what because for a second when
he said that i was like oh no they're in another modal uh but no they were not
was he able to run a modal like because the what what i was assumed under the assumption of
is that the modals were used to develop characters or to develop stronger ai or something along those
lines like why would he need to do that you're talking about oh you mean uh the analyst yeah i
don't know but that's the thing he said he got the idea from the modal which again no i thought he
got the idea from like the bullet time the game
maybe writing needs to be a few points down uh
uh yeah and that's it like i don't understand like the whole but that was the thing like the modal
thing was like clearly in my opinion made as a workaround to get you know quote unquote morpheus
back into the movie because they're like we need a reason for a morpheus you know analog to be here
and they're like well uh he just recreated morpheus in this old matrix code which again that
blows me away that there is like a uh inception happening and we're just we're just passing right
by it like he made a matrix he put the old matrix code into the matrix but on a computer inside the
matrix and was running simulations to by the way why though like what was the end end goal of these
things like to make the agent smith and trinity on smith's side of the story and then they were
things like to make the agent smith and trinity unstoppable like i don't understand that either
uh but yeah i don't know what i don't know what was going on there with the bullet time stuff
like were you wondering what he was doing with the the modal in the first place
i i understand what he was doing with the modal i think it i think it barely makes sense also because
i don't know anything about computers so maybe it makes perfect sense but my my dumb brain like i
understand it but i'm like i'm gonna go with you movie because you say the matrix but if you didn't
say the matrix i don't know if i would give you the same leeway um but then by the way we're
talking about effects folks uh uh yeah and then when he when he mentioned the modal again as like
using it as a reference to be like oh yeah i just basically ran this scenario to know that
my understanding was he was like i've run this scenario enough to know that this is the way to
like beat you or something and then i thought it was going to be a fake trinity but it wasn't
because like the bullet like almost touched her temple and she was like oh what's that you got
to get out of here you got to leave like okay so this was happening i don't know yeah um i just
tried looking it up a modal at least from what they were explaining doesn't seem like it it
actually exists i mean i understand like what it's supposed to represent you know what i mean like
it's just the the it's just running the program it's just trying to make it better like i
i whatever they want me to make that logical leap i mean there's no matrix either so i'll
i'll make the modal leap with you uh but i'm sorry to bring it back to effects that that part
besides the weird the weirdness of the modal thing like i was not a big fan of like the
the like trailed uh analyst just walking all around like oh i'm a fever dream hey whoa
yeah um
everything else though looks pretty good not niobies old makeup nope
i mean that fooled me that is true i would say that rose thought it was good
oh man like listen that was the only the that part with neil patrick harris and niobies makeup
those are the only two things that i was like huh but everything else i thought looked pretty
awesome you know when uh neo and trinity are jumping off that uh roof towards the ending and
you know it's discovered that trinity can actually fly that actually looked really good that was
legit by the way i read is like they were that that was like not that was more real than cg like
they they straight up jumped off the top of that so i thought that looked awesome too that's
terrifying dude i would i don't know if i sent it to you i think it was like one of those things
that i saw on tiktok was thinking about sending it to you but then someone distracted me and so
i closed tiktok and that was lost forever yeah pretty much um but yeah that someone was showing
the behind the scenes footage of that they were strapped to wires and everything that's bitchin
that's so cool that was so cool um again i wish that they would have done a little bit more
backstory to explain why the hell trinity suddenly has powers but whatever um i mean listen it looked
good she clearly had like there was something there whether they did it intentionally or not
there was something there going on with trinity because it wasn't because um like neo clearly
wasn't going to come back to life uh unless i would imagine if morpheus kissed him uh i don't
think he would have come back to life the way that he did uh you know what i mean uh you know like
she why was he able to hear in the first one why was he able to hear her when she's like
she kisses him get up neo you got to get up and then like why does he hear her like they clearly
have this connection um what again whether that was intentional or not i don't know but yeah there
was i just again i know we're talking about effects but that just bothered me so much because i'm like
why is there just two the one another one like they should just call her another one because
that like what why i'm not against it but like explain it more a little bit
yeah like a little exposition there would have would have done some good very much so
by the way they could have gotten it they could have gotten it through a sati because her dad was
the one that made those resurrection chambers so that would have been a little bit of like oh well
i created these and in creating them uh one of the parameters was like oh they have to be this close
because their code in the matrix is actually blah blah whatever uh like that could have been that
could have been explained with one more minute of dialogue very easily too like it's just they were
slowly like merging just something along those lines that would have helped a lot uh
um other than that i don't recall any like shitty looking cgi like everything looked good like even
when neil patrick harris got his freaking jaw kicked off like that looked good
it was kind of wild at the end when people were like throwing themselves out of buildings and like
splattering all over the ground i was like oof man i see how you're allowed to do this because
they turn into code but yikes yeah that got questionable real quick well because also again
that was one of the things too that i'm like you're a computer why would you have people jump out
right on top of him why not just start way out in front and just have everyone jump out of the
windows and just clog the roads up so that he can't drive over all the bodies
jeez yeah why did he choose to only do like one or two people per apartment yeah because you see the
lady she's like what are you doing boyfriend or husband and he's like gotta go she just screams
like i was just like oh that's messed up hey man she should have gone too bro
yeah like stop her mid-scream and have her freaking jump out of the window too
but yeah that was awesome when she got to finally kick off i mean technically she was kicking her
husband's jaw off his face uh because you know the analyst was the one that set that up for her so
she did get to kick his jaw off uh which looked awesome yeah it did yeah i have very few complaints
effects wise so i think i'm gonna be at like a 91
bro i want to hear yours you know just because of how much uh niobes make up for me
i'm gonna go a 93 well i have to go higher on one of you than all of this though and i'm gonna go 94
oh yeah that brings us to a 92.6 i'll agree to those terms
oh yeah next up we got music what did you guys think of the music in this one because i will say
this the fact that they ended with the brass against uh system of a down song that they ended
the first movie with with the act or not system of a down but rage against the machine uh they
ended with the same song but with that uh that brass against band you know who i'm talking about
i mean you clearly do you heard it it's a lady like they do like covers of uh rage against the
machine songs um also if you'll recall uh recently in the news that lady brought some dude up on stage
and peed on his face so that happened uh yeah i heard you i heard you get you and beth talk about
that that was wild man i gotta start listening to your show yes you sure i bet you i can type
in brass against and that'll be one of the first things that shows up let's see here top stories
matrix resurrection okay i was wrong oh no yeah brass against sophia urista urinates on fans face
during festival set wow okay uh the music overall was pretty good the the white rabbit song
i love that yeah i was very shocked that they included that in the movie considering that they
used that in the trailer you never see that thank you because i thought the same thing like i thought
the exact i was like hey they did it it's the trailer but it's in the movie we got it uh
because it is i feel like it is super weird for that to happen uh and it kind of took me out of
it for a second but i did i did like it yeah i like that a lot so just because of that
i think that might have bumped me up to like a nine just because i like i think like if if that
song hadn't been in it and i was looking at the rest of the soundtrack i'd be at an eight but it
but it has that catchy song which is always the thing that's lacking when i when i don't go to
like a 10 okay but it had the catchy song so i'm sitting at a nine
yeah i would also give the music a nine well i you know what i would just i think i'm gonna have to be
ridiculous and give it a 10 just because matrix to me matrix it knows what it is and it's like you
know what this is our music this is what we do this is our score this is the kind of music that
we play bam and it did not it didn't it didn't deviate i don't think yeah um i probably didn't
find the white rabbit song as catchy as you guys did i feel like it was good but it didn't like
bump up my score because i was originally at an eight and i'm still at an eight all right well
if you're at an eight that averages us out to a nine all right i like it all right moving on over
to costumes this one i mean the costumes were fine in this just sucks that they didn't actually
get to wear the matrix attire until like the third act if by the third act you mean the legit end
yeah the last 10 minutes more so the last five because that's what that's what that's what that
was my biggest i think if i could pick out one problem with this whole movie and i know we're
talking about costumes but it was that like i said at the beginning like it was like in the last 20
minutes they realized that it was the last 20 minutes and they were like oh god dang it we
gotta end this movie all right come on everybody everybody get on it's time to go
and then that's that's how it ended of just basically running to the finish line which i
i get it but i don't necessarily super enjoy that but i think they looked awesome like they looked
awesome at the end even though it was only for 10 minutes uh i think all of their costumes made
sense like it wasn't there was nothing stand out ish you know but everything looked like you would
imagine from from all like everything was consistent to the other matrix movies like when they were in
the matrix they looked like uh pretty clean versions of what you know you would imagine they
thought their digital selves would look like and when they were in the i.o. like they looked like
uh a couple of freaking dust bunnies out there just wearing wearing scraps i think they did a
really good job at modernizing it too and not going like so hard in the 90s with like the just
crazy shiny leather yes and the super slick slick back hair like they just they kind of left it
a bit like messy but not like like a freaking greaser's wet dream i was kind of shocked that
they didn't um have keanu reeves like pull off his classic uh neo haircut from the first three
that one kind of funny oh you know what what are we talking i guess you could call this costume
one thing that i thought that they did that was really awesome whether they did this um with this
might be effects um because i don't know if this would be an effect thing because i i just don't
know uh but when they when they had them come out of the matrix and they were clearly they both
legitimately had their head shaved and they looked gaunt like they they looked like they were just
uh in like a weakened state like it looked like because that was supposedly what happened during
the first matrix is like a lot of the original i'm sorry a lot of the uh real world stuff was
filmed after the fact because keanu reeves like lost a bunch of weight and like basically wanted
to make himself look more gaunt so that it would be you know more legit of like oh you haven't been
you haven't been running around and doing karate uh which i thought that was super pronounced in
this because like they both looked very like uh nutrient deprived so i thought that looked awesome
and i'm sorry one more thing i that just reminded me too about effects was there a port a point where
when he first went into the construct where uh keanu reeves was like fully digital because did
it look for a second that like he was almost like a like a quick time event movie like if you go back
and watch it again like the it's not the whole time but like the first like 10 or 15 seconds when
it shows him when he's like i remember this place and you know the new morphius is there and he's
like you're in the construct for a second it really looks like i'm like is that really him
or is that is that like supposed to look like a digital version of him or or what i don't know
i don't know like it's i don't know without being able to look at it right now i can see both of your faces like i don't remember
yeah i do recall a moment like that
but it wasn't at the the time you were talking about so i must have missed that or like completely
like whether i whether i was like looking away for that split second or or what because i didn't catch it
did either of you guys watch that um that trailer for the matrix like vr game i think it's called
yet like afterlife or whatever it is well no it's ghostbusters um there is like better not be stealing
that subtitle if you like i almost i didn't watch the whole thing because i thought that it was going
to spoil something for me because and actually it would have because i uh now thinking back on it does
show bugs um and she's like kind of talking to them but they're like they're showing off the unreal engine
five or whatever in that trailer and like it does keep cutting from their avatars in the game to like
the real them kiano and kary uh it keeps going like back and forth and like they're doing all
these crazy things and you can't tell sometimes when the change happens so i was like oh like
maybe this is that too so i don't know uh i guess it would make more sense if i had watched that
before i talked about it but i didn't and that's why i'm a podcaster because i could do what i want
that's why i'm a podcaster because i can do what i want fair enough and it's so true yeah yeah um
but yeah sorry costumes were dope i thought uh dope made sense so i would i would give that a 10
uh just because again there wasn't there were to me a bad anything lower than a 10 is something
that sticks out like to give it lower than 10 would be something that sticks out as like why
is this person wearing this or why is this why why is this aesthetic happening in this time that
doesn't seem to make sense at all and i feel like everything made sense to to what this was
yeah then i mean like our our grading curve with costumes because it's out of 10
is it's like even an eight an eight is like pretty freaking good like because we have it attached to
uh like a certain percentage um so an eight on our scale is the equivalent of an 85
i mean good and then like a nine is a 90 10 is 100 obviously but and then just different ones going
down but yeah it's just i don't know like with this type of movie i would like to see just one
or two outstanding costumes i think that would have bumped me up a lot but it was just kind of
a lot of uh baseline costumes for me so you know i'm at an eight personally but i still really
like the nine you've talked me into a nine yeah i think that makes sense there there should have
been one like silhouette moment you know they're like oh you can you know it's a great character
if you can recognize its silhouette which that's the thing that sucks about these movies like if
there is one thing that's terrible about all the matrix movies is there is not really a silhouette
that you could be like that's him uh that's neo like i don't know is it neo is it a cowboy is it
what you could do it in the first one i feel with his like the second with the second one the second
one was like straight-up dress but i feel like with the first one you could have done that like
if you did like a reverse silhouette where all the black was in white like i feel like you could
definitely tell like oh that's neo i think you would need to have all three of them you would
have to have neo morpheus and trinity i think if you just had one of them i think you would be like
uh what is this or you would have you would need context around the silhouette like black and green
you know or something to be like uh you're feeling like the matrix i don't know that you
would necessarily be able to pick one of them out and be like that's neo so i don't know but
that's i don't know like that's to me the matrix should have been what unbreakable should have been
just a one-off it was this cool weird thing that happened and we're not gonna ever revisit it ever
again yeah yeah i definitely agree with you on that one i mean i like the video game aspect of
it like i think that the matrix is definitely an interesting enough world to explore in a video game
it's why movie wise i think they could have like you said it could have been one done
i mean i get it everybody likes money and i'm all about you know go get that bag son but uh
yeah it was yeah you know what's funny you know what would have changed everything if he didn't
fly away at the end of the matrix if he didn't fly away that movie could have ended right where it
ended but for some reason seeing him fly away even though it didn't say to be continued even
continued even though it didn't say neo will return and neo 2 uh it was you just somehow you're like
well there has to be more he flew away that's not something he does it's so true
yeah uh where are you at uh i would agree with you and eight um it was awesome seeing the updated
matrix costumes towards the end but considering it's the last freaking 10 minutes it didn't really
do much all right well rounding rounding that we are sitting in an eight with costumes
um all right last up we got our own personal scores
who's first on the chopping block i mean i'll go first because i'm going to uh i'm gonna skew
everything right now because i still love the matrix i will always love the matrix and i will
welcome this new movie into my arms uh with the other three movies uh and yeah i'm giving this
one 100 because at the end of the day i i mean it's my personal grade uh like i
uh like i with if i'm going to accept two and three with all of its flaws uh why would i not
also accept this one with its flaws like at the end of the day i am getting more matrix whether
it's exactly what i wanted or not i it doesn't matter to me like they didn't ruin it and that's
all i can really ask for so i would give this movie 100 just because i it didn't it didn't
you know for lack of a better way of putting it it didn't 2016 ghostbusters it so
so i i appreciate it for that if nothing else
uh for me um i'd probably say an 85 um i feel for the most part this is a very good return to the
matrix um they everyone that came back did a really good job kiyono reeves was good karyann
moss was good um kind of sucked that they weren't able to get everybody back but what they were able
to do i feel they did a good job um so yeah it's definitely better than the second one even though
i know it's not a high bar but i feel it's just as good as the third one if i don't know if i would
say if i like this one of the third one more that's kind of a hard decision for me i'd have to
think about that but anyway 85 for me yeah i'm a little bit higher i'm sitting at an 87 um this was
a good movie and like i think it hit all the notes that the first matrix kind of did as well like
like they were saying in that damn workshop like every other day like the matrix f's with your mind
like that's exactly what this movie did like the first time i'm like okay are they just like
completely retconning the first three matrix movies and making it so it's like oh it's just
was just a video game like i started to think i was crazy and i'm like no like this was just a
video game the entire time is there something i missed like is there some sort of matrix lore
that i like been missing out on like no it was just like then then they like started introducing
the the matrix and like coming back to it i'm like okay freaking good
like coming back to it i'm like okay freaking good
but it's just it was trippy and i loved that stuff they were a little light on the philosophical
stuff which is something that i really like uh liked about the second and third
uh everything else was no i like everything else was was solid like this is a really good movie
overall like even standalone i'd say it's pretty good i felt like the the one thing that i didn't
mention at the time that i'll mention now that i was not a fan of is that this two things one this
movie skewed way more meta than philosophical and it seems like that was super intentional whenever
they were in basically the writers room trying to come up with ideas for the new matrix game
and they were telling they were it almost felt i was i was i if i didn't love these movies so much
i would be offended because they like the way they were talking about it was kind of like a slap in
the face to all the people that like had their ideas about what the matrix was uh kind of like
making a mockery of those people of like well i think it's about this and i think it's about this
and i think it's about this but basically having idiots talk about it and i'm like all right like
we enjoyed your movies ladies so how about you relax with like calling everyone that like had an
interpretation of it stupid like it's be glad that your movie was up for such interpretation like i
understand the idea of making something for a specific reason and maybe getting misinterpreted
and you don't like that but the fact that anyone cares enough to try and interpret what you have
done like again you might not appreciate it uh but the the reality is is like the reason you're
making this movie is because so many people speculated as to what the deeper meaning to what
what your story was so i i did not appreciate that at all but uh yeah i didn't i that that was
if i could have one big complaint i would almost say it's that they leaned more into meta than
philosophy because this movie was super duper meta yeah can we talk about the stupid end credit scene
oh my gosh after credit scene yeah the yeah the after credit scene the whole catch that's not
canon uh okay good thank god dude i hated that with every fiber of my being i'm not i listen i it's
not it's not canon but i did i took a beat because i didn't understand even what they said and then i
i did chuckle i was like oh the catrix uh i had a different reaction literally after the end i'm
just like well that was stupid dude i woke i woke brielle up because i watched it like i watched it
like as soon as we got back from watching no way home and so like we seriously went downstairs
jumped in bed and i started watching the matrix and as soon as that damn end credit scene come on
like she popped up i'm like come on and she like jumped awake and i'm like sorry sorry
i mean that was the correct reaction i did get a chuckle but that was the correct reaction
i know i was like expecting like a little bit of tease like hey maybe they're going to do another
one like maybe they're leaving the door open and it's just yeah i don't i you know what enough like
i love if they make another one i'll watch it of course but i'm good like we're good we don't need
anymore like we saw what you tried to do you weren't able to get your how i choose to interpret this is
the full vision of whatever was on the page did not quite make it onto film and let's just let this
thing be done okay we we ended on a decent enough note that we don't need to like try and stick the
landing anymore you stuck it enough just you flew away and everyone was happy and we remade the
matrix that's it will there be another one probably should there be another one no no not at all yeah
absolutely agree definitely well that brings our personal grade to a 90.6
so with that that concludes this week's breakdown and the final all bros and untrained eye letter
grade for the matrix resurrection has come to a it's not the same a b a like a straight up and
down b like a straight up and down b all right listen we got to do this the same way because
listen if we think if you guys think that people were mad about the grade for the second movie
you have to start with what is above this movie because people are going to be furious at whatever
this movie beat because i'm not going to lie before the show started i was looking at a there
was a couple of uh articles that were on like facebook about this movie and i was just reading
through the comments people guys people hate this movie like they really hate it like with a with a
fiery hot hate that will burn for eternity so yeah please start with what is above this movie
holy shit that is probably the i don't even want to say what's below this movie
yeah neither do i all right so the matrix resurrections is sitting at an 84.70 percent
which puts it a very uh pretty strong b but that puts it below the oath which is at an 85
puts it below the lion king which is at an 85.13 make okay i was gonna ask
it puts it below harry potter and the sorcerer's stone which is at an 85.43
it puts it below cruella which is at an 85.56 and then puts it below
onward which is at an 85.67 look man it beat onward or it did not beat onward so
i'm interested to know what it did beat out but if it was above onward i would i would have to say
we have to start this episode over again one above i think this might actually make you mad dj it's
um going past onward um halloween kills is above it is above onward no well yeah halloween kills
halloween kills is above on your onward but yeah it's also above the matrix resurrections
oh yeah no no that's fine like listen i i i am i yeah i never i haven't seen the new by the way
i haven't seen any kills halloween strikes again i've seen none of the new halloweens
so i'm sorry no halloween kills is definitely the middle chapter it's kind of filler but i still
love the hell out of it dude if we were going to get cancelled or anything it is about is is for
what i am about to say oh god the matrix resurrections is above christopher robin which is at an 84.56
it is above avengers angel of ultron ha ha which is at an 84.37 that's hilarious go on
it is above solo correct at an 84.21
at an 84.21 it is above free guy which is at an 84.06 so i have not seen free guy yet but uh turns
out you guys were wrong about your free guy score should have been higher i watched the movie first
okay and then it is also above thor ragnarok which is at 83.9 wait a minute hold on yep hold on a
second first of all how did free guy get above thor ragnarok it was super close thor ragnarok
okay the difference between free guy and thor ragnarok is 0.2 percent listen i have to call
everything into question now because thor ragnarok is at on its worst day is an a minus movie what is
going on here at the albrows okay it was one of our first episodes we were young yeah that well
this is this is this is one of the ones that we did revisit remember we did this is because this
because this was one of our early episodes we didn't have like the breakdown system that we had
and so when we were applying like doing the mass breakdown system uh we were we had a bunch of
people send in this was actually thor ragnarok was the the one movie that had the most sent in scores
oh so this is not just our score on this oh this is like collectively like a bunch of people yeah
i think me and vic are gonna have to join forces again to correct this mistake because this is not
no i want the saint no i i cannot let this stand at the risk of it getting lower than it is now
it is now there is i don't i do not stand for that thor ragnarok what is wrong with your listeners
hey brocken or whatever your name is freaking stop watching horror movies and start giving
correct thor ragnarok ratings uh so wait was that it was that the was that the lowest in the b
category yep that was that was or you want the lowest like altogether in the b category i mean
listen why not let's get crazy let's go all the way down to the lowest b minus all right well the
highest b movie is the force awakens whoo the lowest b movie is jumanji welcome to the jungle
oh that's correct i would say that's a solid b minus yeah um so now that we have all four
let's see what how the matrix yeah what did i forget now it's been so long what what did
the first matrix get or actually go back and go in descending go what did the three get and then
two and then one all right one second
by the way caleb you're you're like uh when you turn your camera off on your phone
it has got a picture of you as what can only be described as a child
you look like the baby caleb in this picture
yeah that was on my one of my wife's and i's first dates when you were 12 you look so young
yeah i was
yeah 18 yeah that checks out now that i look
okay all right so
our ranking actually this is my track so our top four or in order one to four for the matrix
uh sitting at number four at an 81.66 percent is the matrix reloaded yep and that is sitting at a
b minus next up we got the matrix resurrections which is an 84.70 sitting at a b
sitting at a b after that we have the matrix revolutions sitting at an 89.53 which is at a b
plus and then at the tip top we have the matrix which is at a 90.24 sitting at an a minus i was
gonna say what is the letter grade for that yeah yeah that that makes perfect sense that that it's
funny because i was thinking like yeah i think these graded how i would rank them now now that
all four have come out it would for sure be one three four two yeah dude i love how that happens
like it's so hard to like disagree with some of these like and say what you will about our
our breakdown system the but the difference between like let's see before we even get like
a full percentage away from the matrix resurrections like we need to be at like
there's eight movies before you're a full percentage away from or below the matrix
resurrection so the margins are like so close so if you guys want to throw like a big old bitch fit
about the matrix resurrections beating out thor ragnarok just know the the the margins yeah is
is 0.6 percent
like they might as well be tied
wow wow yeah like i think it's like it's like slightly unfair when we do like oh this beat out
this movie or this beat out this movie because like some people will be like well that's bullshit
that's bullshit and then we're like okay well we we think this movie's a b movie they're like yeah
that tracks well yeah no but that's what i think is good about the way that you do it is because
you don't just say it's a b it's a b minus it's a b plus you're like you have it down so to the such
such to the nth degree you're like yeah that's right if you zoom all the way in this is how close
they really are uh and i think that's what makes it fun because you can have the matrix resurrections
beat thor ragnarok impossibly impossibly that would be like if rat catcher 2 jumped dimensions
and beat thanos right at the last second in uh end game like
yeah dude it gets freaking tight like the like um with halloween kills and onward
the difference between those two like halloween kills is above onward by point
nope i'm wrong oh never mind i was looking at the wrong one
um yeah halloween kills is above onward by point zero one damn it is barely a hundredth
it's like a hundredth better than onward in our system that's why i'm glad i like i got my uh
my 100s out whenever we did i think it was the first episode we ever did together when we did um
um the heck was that cumel non-jani movie uh the love birds the love birds um
because i just was so stoked a to be on the show and b like i was just uh i think this was before
it had been announced that cumel was going to be in the eternals and i was just stoked to see him
in a movie so i gave that movie arguably higher marks than it deserved uh but like i think
i don't know i really appreciate how you guys break these down not just not just break down
the movies and grade them but like these final grades uh i feel like you you could do a super
show of like inviting you could have probably just a gang of people come on and just debate
where all of these movies are
uh i don't know probably dude that'd be super fun to do get a bunch of like movie podcasts on and
have them like figure out what which uh movies they disagree with yeah show them your spreadsheet
and just be like listen which ones you guys think are crazy and why dude because it's hilarious
because it's like if i tell someone oh we gave this movie this movie this movie this movie this
score or like if like um like if i would say we gave logan an a minus and someone was like
well that's bullshit like it should be an a and i'm like okay well it got this percentage and
they'll sit there and like i mean okay and if they did they're still like no it needs higher
it needs higher i can show them like the breakdown of that score and then they'll go through each
category and they're like that's usually where we get them like if it goes that far at all
wait are you looking at do you see that because you're looking at logan right now
yeah what did logan get i gotta know because it wasn't a minus what what stopped it from being an
a like what what were the the cumulative grades for that um so logan is at a 91.81
let me find it on here real quick
because was this just you two or did you have someone on for this one uh this was actually just
us all right the harsh the thing that we were harshest on was probably music and costumes
that's what brought it yeah yeah like they didn't have any but that's true didn't they though like
they were this was like i feel like this was like a post credits to like all the x-men movies
you know what i mean like they're like uh we're kind of like in retirement right now
and uh oops we have to do this one there's one last job and then we're out
didn't he though he was wearing it under his suit the whole time
yeah so music costumes were sitting at an eight and we had the effects at an 85
really yeah what do you remember do you recall offhand like why it got an 85 like was there
anything that stuck out uh a lot to you that you were like eh this is not a movie in so long
yeah same here it okay i think it was the um the fights between logan and his clone looked really
rough at times i don't know watch that because the the thing i think of every time i think of that
movie is him in the bathroom uh like when he's healing like after he's been shot or cut i can't
remember what it was but like all the above yeah uh and yeah i don't i feel like i i don't know i
you know what this is a good excuse to watch that movie again because i feel like that fight was
good but maybe i'm just uh remembering it better than it really was yeah like the movie overall was
like great like the the story was really high it was like at a 96 writing is at 93 acting was at a
93 we gave character development 100 and then our own personal scores were 97 like it was really high
i think it's just what killed it was effects music and costumes i think there is something in like
doing like little mini episodes if somebody is like i disagree with what you did on logan
and then you guys just talk about that because i i like that i like that a lot because i guarantee
you i could go through your list and talk about almost every one of your movies like how did this
happen for sure by the way this time next year someone will have found your podcast and they'll
be like i'm sorry what beat thor ragnarok excuse me well that's what's great about our uh our
spreadsheet it's on our website so anyone can go look at it and you can do it right now tinyurl.
what is it uh tinyurl.com forward slash the albrows
yeah we have on the on the front page where you can just see the the movie the overall score and
then the the letter grade that we gave it but if you wanted to and you're just like no that's total
bullshit we you can go into um one of the different spreadsheets and see the individual scores
and see the individual scores that's awesome because i did not know that because i have looked
at that the the original or the whatever the initial thing but i didn't realize that you could
go and look at everything individually like i disagree with this specifically caleb and rose
i don't like it yeah so the the pages that you can go on or the sheets you can look at there's
the reference for everyone which is like the main one that you can look at there's the movie grades
which have like the all the individual breakdowns there's the the debate page which is where me and
rose put in our scores when it's just us our rapid fire where when we have a guest on that's where we
put all three of our scores and then there's a game grades which every 50 episodes when we do a
video game that's where you can find those scores and then the the last page is like reference if
you want to see what our like it's just random shit that's amazing listen if you're listening
to this show and you're just now realizing how comprehensive it is go to tinyurl.com the albros
uh
well guys put in work sorry go ahead hell yeah we do i feel it's more so him but
listen we have the gazing gazette coming soon okay yeah are you kidding me that's gonna be great
now but come on we all i feel caleb is the heart of the show and i love him for all that he does
for the show and i really appreciate it first of all how dare you you are both the hearts of the
show this show has two hearts and a third uh aorta that is me and uh
it's like it swaps between you and vick yeah i don't know one seems to be stronger than the
other one now but uh and we are not restarting january 1st victor i just want to say that to
you right now okay i'm not i'm not having my slate wiped clean i've put in work okay tens of hours
okay before 2022 is over i may have cracked three digits in hours on this show so just everybody
just relax dude i actually have a spreadsheet that i'm making for you and vick of the episode
number that you you were on the yeah so the episode number and the amount of time that
that the episode was i love it i listen i'm i've got to imagine that i am way more long-winded than
vic so even if he manages to get an episode or two ahead of me uh i'm i'm gonna beat him in time
every time i just can't help it dude you would think but he comes on about like with marvel movies
so he's able to talk a lot i mean sometimes we love him for it oh yeah absolutely sometimes he
comes on from marvel movies i mean he just has the greatest spider-man movie in the world come out
and he's like i'll phone it in but you know whatever uh that's uh that's fourth co-host stuff but
uh what would i know about that i love you vick uh i'm gonna get some messages about this episode
for sure i might get some messages about this one yeah i'm the innocent one here so i get nothing
don't pretend like you're not the second part of the show
oh shit yeah he always tries to like give me more credit well no i don't i don't mean like that but
it's just like he you know he does all the editing he does all the promos he i feel like he just puts
in more than me i'm not like downgrading myself it's just i i just really appreciate all that he
does for the albros listen that i'm sure he appreciates you saying that but as someone who
also has a co-host i can tell you this there is something to be said for the
co-host i can tell you this there is something to be said for someone who can come in and just
uh talk to you and just uh not just sit there and be weird and silent and just like i don't know
or just a one word answer person like hey what'd you think of this movie who's good like okay cool
thanks you want to elaborate like those co-hosts are out there so don't don't don't take away from
what it really means to like be able to interact in a good way with the person you are doing the
show with because that is what that's one of the things that's great about me and beth like doing
the untrained eye like i don't know uh it would be super weird if we were married for this long
but couldn't do that show like so i don't know like it just i think it speaks to you know
friendships relationships being able to do shows like this so don't listen what you what you don't
do in editing you do in showing up which means more than you know that is absolutely true
i'm crying over here now hug both of you no
they're in the same room people just you know they said it last week but they are in the same room
right now so they could hug they are choosing not to but i'm not judging
well dj would you like to tell everyone where they can find you and all the wonderful things that you
do yes well you can find me on the internet at untrained ipod u i e p o d on all the social
mediums if you want to hear the show that i do with my wife beth it is called the untrained eye
it's wherever you're listening to a podcast even right now are you hearing it in somebody's car
next to you at a stoplight well ask them uh what podcast are you listening to yep send them to
send you a qr code or something and uh maybe maybe you too will become an untrained eye person we
don't have a name for our listeners but one day one day maybe the eyes the eyes hey maybe one day
you will be one of the eyes you'll be one of the untrained eyes the uh that's it i always feel like
i don't do a good job but of uh like explaining where we're at but that's it untrained eye if you
can't find us you don't listen to podcasts so oh yeah we'll put links to everything that dj does
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yeah totally oh geez let me go ahead and check that all god damn it dj
yeah all of those at the albrows uh you can also email us at the albrows channel at gmail.com
or email us at or i just gave you the email or check out our website tinyurl.com forward slash
the albrows where you can check out everything that we do you can listen to the podcast from
there learn a little bit more about us uh links to our merch you can design your own merch if you want
to on that website you can check out our our breakdown scores and individual grades and argue
with us like we'd love to freaking hear it wait is there a monster house update
freaking hate that website man wait did they did they take it away no oh i was like wait no
no i think we've we've had a couple more
more dude i want to know what the hell's like no joke if you look up monster house on that website
i'm pretty sure we're the only monster house related merch you know why people keep buying it
is because to at least to me it is one of the most underrated uh animated films of all time
and it deserves to have much more love of all time huh maybe i need to re-watch that movie
yeah that's just my opinion i love that movie to death dude but what throws me off is our freaking
logos on it oh yeah that's true it is
like are they just not realizing that or like i want to know i want someone to freaking contact
us that's bought one of those damn shirts
anyway i'm googling it right now to see if there's like some kind of like
underground like monster house fan fiction stuff going on or something because
yeah we sold like two more kids shirts since the last time we talked that's hilarious
yeah it's infuriating because i work hard on all of the episode art and that's the one that's the
one that's the one that i was the laziest on listen we maybe next year or something for like
charity you can make you'll have the new shirt it'll it will be the uh the all bros crash and
taz like you'll you can do like the fight shirt where we're like uh at odds with each other
and you can sell that shirt and like give all the proceeds to charity or something
dude that would be awesome that's an awesome idea i love that hell yeah
yeah you got people buy you can have hats some hats will say vick some hats will say dj they can
who do you got
oh that'd be awesome
um all right well
look forward to next week where we will be breaking down sing to
sequel i'm probably a little too excited for maybe is that the animated one with the animals
okay dude i who is in that one who is the who are the main protagonists in that movie
like who plays not the character of the uh who does the voices yeah so it's there's matthew
mcconaughey reese witherspoon taryn edgerton uh that's the kid oh my gosh i for tori kelly i think
she plays the elephant yep i'm looking right now yeah tori kelly reese witherspoon taryn edgerton
i guess uh yeah as uh gunter matthew mcconaughey garth jennings you know who that is oh chelsea
paredi is in this scarlett yohansson isn't it that's the one i was missing nick offerman eric
andre halsey come on something bono isn't feral wes anderson get out of my face
i might have to watch this movie i'm excited wait what is it out on where can the people see this
in theaters yeah it's theater oh really oh so it just came out yeah it came out uh i think the same
yeah the same day as the matrix did huh well there you have it rated pg take your kids go to the
movie get some covid watch a movie it's gonna be great get some omnicron you know have some good
old family get a good old family gathering it's gonna be a good time
all right well you guys can look forward to that next week and until then this has been the all
bros podcast i'm caleb and i'm jonathan and we will catch you guys next week deus is so long
long my precious i love it