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Another slow news week for us this week.
We don't have really anything to talk about other than one new 4k coming out.
Yeah one movie that we're kind of excited about or at least I am.
I don't know your feelings about it.
Yet.
Dude I'm not going to lie I started to forget the oh yeah I started to forget the movie
that came out on 4k this week oh my god.
Are you serious?
Yeah dude shut up.
I put it in the outline and everything.
Well I'm on the debate page right now so kiss my ass.
Oh.
Alright so yeah we're going to be talking about that.
Like I said nothing else news item worthy or nothing that we saw that caught our eye.
But after that we'll be getting into our headliner this week which will be our breakdown of the
Batman.
So yeah without further ado let's say we get into it.
Let's do it.
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Alrighty first up in 4k spotlight.
We have one new movie coming to us this week.
Rose you want to talk about this one?
I would love to.
So the god damn it.
So the stupid frickin cord sorry.
So with this week on 4k we're getting the remake of a West Side Story.
The movie that did so amazing at the box office like whew man it gave Spider-Man no way home
run for its money.
Like wow.
If y'all didn't you know catch on that was total sarcasm because god damn it.
Okay you did say that in a tone where I was just like okay did it really?
Oh dude it bombed.
Did it really?
Yeah dude.
Oh shit.
Yeah you want to see how bad?
Yes.
Let's find its Wikipedia page because yeah it's bad.
So keep in mind the budget was 100 million and that doesn't include advertisement.
Okay wait I swear that number was a lot lower a couple weeks ago.
It still bombed.
But I thought it was a lot worse than that.
It only made 73.7 million.
Oh damn.
I thought it was a lot worse.
I thought it was like 50 but never mind.
It still bombed though.
So it's only made what 75% of its budget?
Yeah basically.
Not even that 73%.
Damn.
That sucks.
Because I know because I mean I don't know how it's done on Disney Plus so far but I
remember like people saying like oh yeah but you know Encanto didn't do that well at the
box office and to them I say let me pull up Encanto's box office.
So Encanto's budget was between 120 and 150 million.
It did only gross 248 million but I would defend that with that ever since it started
streaming on Disney Plus it has topped the charts of movies that have been streamed every
single week.
It's been number one.
Damn.
So it is making its killing on Disney Plus.
Yeah dude.
That movie though was like so good.
That movie was perfection.
God I love that movie.
Yeah but this movie dude like it seems like the reviews were pretty like decent.
Like in regards to reviews.
Oh yeah the reviews were great.
Like people were saying that it's one of Steven Spielberg's best movies.
That might be stretching it but okay.
I haven't seen it but.
I mean it's not better than you know Kingdom of the Crystal Skull but you know.
I was thinking more like Star Wars or just Indiana Jones in general.
Well you're thinking George.
Wait I'm thinking.
Oh my gosh I'm thinking of George Lucas.
Yeah we're thinking of George Lucas.
Wait didn't okay didn't Steven Spielberg direct Indiana Jones for.
That's a.
I don't know.
Hold on.
Yeah I'm looking at it too.
Yeah he directed Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Okay so has he directed all Indiana Jones films?
Hold on I'm going back to.
Shit he has directed a shit ton of stuff.
Yeah.
I mean hell didn't he direct.
Wait now I'm like.
So he did ET.
Okay.
Goonies, Back to the Future, Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Oh that was executive producer credit.
I thought Back to the Future was Robert Zemeckis.
Hold on let me go back and just just check.
Okay executive producer.
Son of a bitch I was looking for his director credits.
Okay wait hold on a minute.
Yeah I know scratch that.
Yeah I had his producer tab open.
I'm so dumb.
Okay.
He has.
I'm just going to bring up movies that like I know.
Okay he has Jaws.
Okay.
Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Okay.
ET.
Temple of Doom.
Last Crusade.
So yeah he's.
So he did all four.
He did the original ones for sure.
Oh yeah and Crystal Skull.
Is he doing five?
Does not say.
Damn it.
I hope he is because you got a good thing going here.
Yeah he's done Hook.
Schindler's List.
Jurassic Park.
Jurassic Park 2.
Saving Private Ryan.
Damn I forgot how impressive his list is.
Yeah Adventures of Tintin.
War Horse.
Lincoln.
Ready Player One.
Oh yeah I forgot he directed that.
And West Side Story now.
So his directing credits are like insane.
Yeah wow.
He's just unfortunately not the biggest draw at the box office anymore.
That's surprising to me though.
Like just like are any of these movies like I feel like a lot of his movies didn't catch
on super quick like other than like Indiana Jones but like did ET do like super well or
I don't actually do not know.
Like I feel like that one took a minute to catch on but yeah like I don't know if Steven
Spielberg has always and like ever been like a huge selling point.
I think it actually I think ET did catch on very fast because I remember when Atari had
to I think it was Atari had to make ET the video game because of how popular the movie
was and then they turned out that piece of shit that is arguably to many the worst video
game of all time.
Yeah but yeah like I don't know if Steven Spielberg has ever been like the selling point
of a movie.
Like he's definitely been a selling point but I don't know if he's ever been the selling
point.
But fair enough I'm very interested to see how much ET did make at the box office.
We are like really getting off topic here aren't we?
Oh yeah.
Holy shit okay well isn't that like over the years though for how many times it's been
re-released okay so the budget for ET was 10.5 million and I'm pretty sure this is just
accumulated from the many re-releases that the film has had and this might be adjusted
for inflation but it's it made 792 million dollars.
Holy ballsack.
That has to be many many releases in theaters.
I'm calling it bullshit that is not just one run.
Yeah unless ET was the only movie to have been released in 1982.
ET was the end game of 82.
Shit.
Yeah.
But getting back to it I am pretty excited to see West Side Story.
I am too.
I just don't know if I want to watch it on Disney Plus first or blind buy it when it
comes out next week.
So I'm still deciding but if you guys do want to pick it up they are releasing just a regular
blu ray and 4k as well as a Best Buy exclusive steel book which looks freaking bitching because
it has the two opposing groups on each side of the steel book so when you like kind of
like open it up and like flip it over you can see them facing each other but it's just
like the silhouettes and it looks freaking awesome.
I love it.
I really want it actually now looking at it closer god damn it.
Is I may have this wrong and I feel like I'm going to sound like an idiot asking this.
Is this the movie with like the greasers and Ponyboy?
No that's the outsiders.
Damn it.
I just started thinking about that and I was just like for some reason that the phrase
stay golden pony boy has been like stuck in my head and I'm like I kept thinking like
yeah that's West Side Story but I may have not seen anything about West Side Story now
that I'm thinking about it.
Sorry man I need the greaser versus the socias.
Dude oh my gosh I'm so glad I got that out there before I watched it because I like if
I'm going to check and see if Brielle wants to watch it but I'm so glad that I got it
out before I watched it with her if she wants to watch it of course because I honestly probably
would have been like that was weird where the hell's was Ponyboy?
Why didn't they say at least stay gold one time?
Kind of shitty they took an entire character out of this movie.
Oh man.
Oh my gosh.
Wait so you haven't seen the outsiders either or have you?
No I have not seen the outsiders either.
I have read the book.
Wait who did you have for 8th grade English?
I went-
Or 7th?
7th grade English?
I don't remember who-
Maybe 7th grade.
Is it 7th grade?
Because did you have Dorsey at all?
No.
Okay because yeah I remember when we read the outsiders she showed us the movie after.
Yeah I can't remember who I had for English.
I'm sorry language arts.
I don't remember who I had for language arts.
Or wait maybe no I'm sorry no it's called English out here in Utah.
But in California we always called it language arts.
It's weird.
Do you remember the other teachers?
No not off the top of my head.
Okay.
Yeah I'd have to look at my yearbooks.
You still have those?
Somewhere.
I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding.
I feel like-
I don't even know where mine are.
The only reason I've kept them around is because I know that Iris and like any other kids that
I have are going to have fun looking through them.
No that's true.
Hey mom who's that weird fucker?
Oh that's your dad.
Oh I'm just kidding.
You bastard.
Jokes on you.
Iris and- or Brielle and I didn't even go to the same school until- actually we've never
been to the same school.
Okay that's true.
So screw you.
No what would make it the best is if Iris or your next child says hey mom who's the
four eyes?
That's your uncle Rose.
Oh okay.
Yeah like they wouldn't know.
I mean hey you never know.
I mean-
I mean people change but you haven't changed that much.
I mean-
No that's true.
You've lost a lot of weight since junior high but-
See I disagree.
No you're wrong dude.
I feel I've gained weight since junior high in high school.
Okay other than like getting like bigger like in scale-
See you admitted.
No no.
I meant bigger in scale not like in height and everything like- no you've thinned out
a lot like you used to like- I feel like I could have gone to- like Jack Black could
come to you and ask for stretchy pants like way back in junior high but you've lost a
lot of weight since then.
Well thank you for making me feel good because that was amazing.
I can't get the scene in the Simpsons movie out of my head when comic book guy comes to
march and he says thanks for giving me your pregnancy pants I've never known comfort
like this.
Oh shit.
But yeah like if you don't think that like you- when's the last time you looked at our
yearbook?
Probably like two years.
Yeah so I would definitely go back.
So if I can prove that I am- if I am thinner in the yearbook than I am now do I get to
kick you in the ass?
Sure I'll take that bet.
Okay cool.
Like now- like I feel like now you're at like a healthy physique and-
I mean you know-
But yeah like way back when you were like a couple donuts away from being able to do
the truffle shuffle.
Hey from what I hear both men and women are into dad bods now that's like the sexy thing
nobody gives a shit about muscle anymore.
Yeah thank the lord.
Oh shit.
I think that was-
So I'm good there.
I think that's just been men who don't want to work out anymore just gaslighting the ever
living shit out of society.
Yeah you know what fair enough.
And I will fully take that.
As will I.
Oh man.
So yeah what's side story that Best Buy exclusive steelbook it's something.
Besides the steelbook we also have a Target exclusive which I'm assuming it's the same
shit it comes with a gallery book that's usually what Target exclusives always are.
Friggin Dom.
Oh it's two limited edition foil etched prints.
And those actually look pretty badass and you know what I'm not gonna lie I kind of
wish the art on the Target exclusive was on the steelbook.
Really?
Yeah it's like it's the couple like dancing but it's like kind of like painted in like
red and blue and some like other colors and then behind them is the two groups like facing
off against each other.
Sick.
It looks so cool.
No I'm not double dipping on a movie I've never even frikin seen.
If I end up watching it tonight I'll let you know how it is.
Okay cool.
Yeah so that is I'm pretty sure that's it for 4K.
I just want to double check.
Oh shit what that's coming to 4K?
Have you ever seen The Apartment?
No.
Amazing old time film came out in 1960.
One of the funniest movies I've seen.
It's a great comedy I recommend it.
Really?
Yeah.
It's called The Apartment?
Yeah it won the best picture award in 1960.
Wow.
Yeah it's dude trust me it's that good.
It is so good.
So oh shit I might need to pick that up on Tuesday god damn it.
Well if you're giving it that much praise I'll definitely have to check it out.
What sucks is it doesn't come with a digital copy.
Damn it.
Frickin lame.
Seriously.
Get with the times people.
Yeah it's weird because yeah that doesn't come with a digital copy but yet Singing in
the Rain which is coming out I think later this month or next month comes with a digital
copy on 4K.
Frickin weird.
I'm very confused but you know what whatever.
But yeah so that is it for 4K Spotlight.
Alright cool.
Well with that I do believe that we can get into this week's headliner where we break
down the Batman.
Alrighty if you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final All Bros letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes and then we give it our own personal grade at the very end.
Then all of those magic numbers get averaged out, spit into our algorithm and gives us
a letter grade to compare to all the other movies that we've discussed.
So if you have not seen the Batman yet, spoiler alerts ahead, we will be ruining the entire
frickin movie and if you listen past this point and the movie is spoiled for you it
is your own frickin fault.
Yes it really is very very much your fault.
So like I said spoiler alerts ahead this is your final warning.
So with that Rose would you like to read off the synopsis for this movie?
I would love to.
So okay here we go.
Huge spoilers like Caleb said.
On Halloween night in Gotham City Batman and Spiderman meet.
He just spoiled it there guys like come on.
On Halloween Gotham City Mayor Don Mitchell Jr. is murdered by a man calling himself the
Riddler.
Reclusive billionaire Bruce Wayne who has operated for two years as the vigilante Batman investigates
alongside the Gotham City Police Department Lieutenant James Gordon.
They put a period in a bad place assholes.
You know what we're going to start that over.
Reclusive billionaire Bruce Wayne who has operated for two years as the vigilante Batman
investigates alongside the Gotham City Police Department.
Lieutenant James Gordon discovers a message left for Batman by the Riddler but Commissioner
Pete Savage berates him for allowing a vigilante to enter the crime scene and forces Batman
to leave.
Soon after the Riddler kills Savage and leaves another message for Batman.
Batman and Gordon discover that the Riddler left a thumb drive in Mitchell's car containing
images of Mitchell with a woman Annika Kocloff at the Iceberg Lounge a nightclub operated
by the Penguin mobster Carmeen Falcone's lieutenant.
While the Penguin pleads ignorance Batman notices that Selena Kyle Annika's roommate
works at the club as a waitress.
Batman follows Selena home to question Annika but the latter soon disappears so he sends
Selena back to the Iceberg Lounge to search for answers.
After Selena Batman discovers that Savage was on Falcone's payroll as is direct district
attorney Gil Colson.
Selena shuts off communication when Batman presses her about her relationship with Falcone.
The Riddler abducts Colson, straps a timed collar bomb to his neck and sends him to interrupt
to Mitchell's funeral.
When Batman arrives the Riddler calls him via Colson's phone and threatens to detonate
the bomb if Colson cannot answer three riddles.
Batman helps Colson answer the first two but Colson refuses to answer the third.
The name of the informant who gave the GCPD information that led to a historic drug bust
ending Mobster Salvatore Marioni's operation and dies.
Batman and Gordon deduce that the informant may be the Penguin and track him to a drug
deal.
They discover that Marioni's operation transferred to Falcone with many GCPD officers involved.
Selena inadvertently exposes them when she arrives to steal money.
As the Penguin flees Selena discovers Annika's corpse in a car trunk.
Batman captures the Penguin but learns that he was not the informant.
Batman and Gordon follow the Riddler's trail to the ruins of an orphanage funded by Bruce's
murdered parents Thomas and Martha Wayne where they learn that the Riddler holds a grudge
against the Wayne family.
Bruce's butler and caretaker Alfred Pennyworth is hospitalized after opening a letter bomb
addressed to Bruce.
The Riddler then leaks evidence that Thomas who was running for mayor before he was murdered
hired Falcone to kill a journalist for threatening to reveal embarrassing details about Martha's
history of mental illness.
Bruce who grew up believing his father was morally upstanding confronts Alfred who confirms
the allegations but states that Thomas did not intend for Falcone to murder the journalist
and planned to turn him over to the police once he found out.
Alfred believes that Falcone had Thomas and Martha killed to prevent this.
Selena tells Batman that Falcone is her father though Falcone does not know it.
She learns that Falcone strangled Annika because Mitchell told her that Falcone was the informant
and decides to kill him.
Batman and Gordon arrive at the Iceberg Lounge in time to stop her but the Riddler kills
Falcone as he is arrested.
The Riddler is soon unmasked as forensic accountant Edward Nashton and incarcerated in Arkham
State Hospital where he laments about failing to kill Bruce.
He does not realize that Bruce is Batman whom he idolizes and took inspiration from when
targeting the corrupt.
Nashton proposes a partnership but Batman rejects him.
Searching his apartment Batman learns that Nashton has stationed car bombs around Gotham
and cultivated an online following that plans to assassinate Mayor-elect Bela Real.
The bombs destroy the break waters around Gotham and flood the city.
A shelter is set up in an indoor arena where Nashton's followers shoot but fail to kill
Real.
They are stopped by Batman and Selena.
In the aftermath Nashton befriends another inmate while Selena deems Gotham beyond saving
and leaves.
Batman aids recovery efforts and vows to inspire hope in Gotham.
Hell yeah.
Alright starting off with the story.
This movie suffers from some pacing issues.
Very.
Um, this could have been a two and a half hour movie.
It did not need to be three hours.
I honestly I think it's just the the waiting.
Like some of like I think feel like definitely there were some scenes that could have been
removed or shortened down.
I don't know if it was a full half hours worth though.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Like because this was like what it was two hours and fifty I think fifty seven minutes.
Fifty seven minutes.
I feel like you could have gotten it down to like two forty five.
That's it.
I'm just kidding.
Yeah.
Like it I don't think it was a lot.
I don't think it was like a full half hour because I feel like I've seen movies where
it feels like the like you could legitimately take out it like like a like the second Matrix
movie you could have easily short shortened that down by a half hour and still been like
needing to take more out.
This movie it didn't need too much.
It just needed a little bit more cleaning up.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Other than that this story was pretty bitching.
Yeah.
I'm not going to lie once again Matt Reeves knocks it out of the park like he always does
with his movies.
Once he was announced as the director for this film after the Planet of the Apes movies
that he did because I know he didn't do the first but he did do Dawn and War which are
incredible remarkable films.
I had a feeling that this was going to be a great origin story and like Caleb said
even though there are some pacing issues I was not let down one bit.
Yeah not even a little bit.
Dude like I didn't realize that he was the one that did Dawn and War.
So now like thinking about it it definitely had some some of those vibes to it.
Right.
Yeah.
Sorry about that.
But I think he did such a good job at giving us a Batman we've never seen before.
Yes I love seeing a Batman that is like in his younger years that is still trying to
find his way as Batman because Ben Affleck's Batman was well into his career as the Caped
Crusader so was Christian Bales.
So seeing like they said a Batman that has only been Batman for two years is a very interesting
thing and the way that they explore it the way that you can definitely tell.
He definitely doesn't I mean Batman I don't know would you say Batman has ever pulled
his punches.
I would say no.
Like it just felt in this one like he was definitely not pulling his punches.
Yeah like like for sure for sure like I think with like the closest we've gotten to a Batman
that's like this is definitely the Christopher Nolan Batman movies like at least when it
comes to like begins because but it also seemed like he was very I don't feel like they focused
a whole lot on things that were new to him.
Like it felt like he was just a very capable like almost unbeatable person from the get
go.
But with this like with this rendition you could see Batman taking hits like he was freaking
getting shot at which was just insane.
Like I loved the opening like I loved how much we Batman we got in this compared to
other movies.
That is fair.
Like I feel we got so much more Batman.
Like you spent a majority of the movie in the cowl.
Yeah you I can honestly only account like on one hand how many scenes we actually saw
with just Bruce Wayne.
Yeah which it's usually so opposite especially like Christian Bale's Batman.
Oh yeah absolutely.
Like with Christian Bale you like I said he does seem very like competent almost like
an indestructible force but he is kind of taken.
It's all it's he's only ever challenged by people that have similar skill levels as him.
Like he's able to freaking just beat the shit out of like normal everyday villains in like
if we're talking like Batman Begins he's able to take down like everyday villains like no
problem but when it comes to like Ra's al Ghul he gets his ass kicked a little bit.
And then same thing with like Scarecrow like Scarecrow kind of puts him on the on the ropes
a little bit only after he gets poisoned.
And so it's almost like he is like this indestructible being but like I loved seeing this Batman where
he did seem like vulnerable but still had that like that essence of fear.
Like I like like I was saying with the opening and it's showing like these different criminals
like or just like ne'er do wells just kind of out and about doing whatever like there
was someone like what's it called graffitiing a bank and then someone else that was like
robbing a convenience store and then there was these other people that were like stalking
this man and getting ready to like beat him up and all of them like saw the bat signal
in the sky looked into like somewhere with darkness and it's like they're just like I'm
getting the hell out of here.
Like dude like legit no just like that's something we never got to see from any of the other
Batman like we've never gotten to see like the criminals point of view from being like
oh shit is that is Batman in that shadow?
It's true it's very true.
And so like just the terror of looking into just utter darkness and hearing like these
these footsteps almost like I kept like thinking like it sounds like he's wearing spurs.
Dude right?
Which or like he has like change in his boots or something so it's just ching ching.
I don't know why that got annoying to me after a while.
It did.
It very much did.
But dude like I'm a sucker for like westerns and just hearing that it's just like a crazy
level of intimidation.
At least for me.
I freaking loved it.
So is it safe to assume that with your with Arthur in Red Dead 2 you had him wearing spurs?
Oh yeah for sure.
See I can't do them at all.
I don't know to me they kind of like tacky on boots but that's just me.
I have like the dark ones that were like really small so you would still just get the chinking
when he would walk.
But yeah I would usually put spurs on.
Hell if I thought I could get away with it I'd wear spurs.
Dude I just I love it.
Dude like you know how like how much I love when like my pockets get a little bit loose
and I have my keys in there and so when I'm like every time I take a step with my left
leg it's like every time I take a step like oh my gosh freaking love it.
I never knew this about you.
I love that.
I've been told a lot that I have a very intimidating cadence to my walk.
That you know what I can agree with that.
I say that in a loving brother way.
Yeah like I've had people come to my house and like when I'm here when it's just me when
they know it's just me and they're like yeah I'll knock then I'll hear you walking towards
me but it's not like it's not fast but it's not like slow.
It's just they're just like you're because I live in a trailer and so like you can hear
freaking everything.
So they're like yeah when you're walking to the door you can like hear it.
It's like scary and I'm just like when I'm just walking around barefoot they're just
like it sounds like you're walking around in like boots and like purposefully stomping.
But yeah like I loved that opening for Batman.
So let's say if you you know like were to put on your own superhero armor your boots
would sound like Batman's then.
You're damn right they would.
Like I said I would freaking hide like spare change in those bitches or it's just something
so I could get that like that sound.
Good lord.
I love it.
But yeah like we got us like I love that we got to see the detective side to Batman.
Like that's not something I feel we've gotten to see a whole lot.
I agree and what I loved is we got to see and this is a huge spoiler even though I already
read it we got to see him kind of like fail at being a detective when he discovers the
riddle about the package that has been left to for him at Wayne Manor.
But then when he calls and tries to get you know like Alfred out it turns out that the
bomb that was in the riddle that was sent to Bruce that bomb had gone on gone off like
an hour ago.
Yeah like he didn't that one I like I'll say this I didn't view that as his failure just
because I feel like he did think that it could have been like any old orphan.
Okay fair enough.
And so like heading to an orphanage like just it kind of made sense.
I thought the real failure was when he was talking to Penguin and kept thinking like
you're the rat you're the rat you're the rat and he's like what like are you freaking
joking and then when they start like talking like discussing the clues Penguin is the one
that's like that points out like are you shitting me like no just like any freaking idiot knows
that L and L are very different and in Spanish.
And then they're just like oh and then just leave his ass there which was made me laugh.
That was great that was freaking hilarious.
So that's like one of the scenes I really like because like it just in a way it does
humanize Batman and doesn't make me him feel like this brought Batman down to earth like
a ton for me because I've always viewed Batman as like this person that nothing gets past
him and like he's he's smarter than every one of his his villains like he knows these
riddles off the top of his head he never misses a clue he never misses this or that like he's
like basically like an undefeatable super being this put him in a place where I'm like
okay I can see someone actually being Batman like making these like little minor mistakes
in their detective work getting punched in fights getting like freaking knocked the hell
out.
Yeah that was insane.
Yeah so it's just like like that kind of stuff it just like really brought him down to a
realistic level and I appreciated the hell out of it just because I feel like if you
look at all the other like super people like they're they're basically gods they're like
unattainable ideals like especially like Superman.
Oh yeah.
I feel like Superman is like super difficult to relate to and then like Batman's always
been that one.
I feel like he's like almost next to impossible to relate to.
Yeah like he's just like a super boy scout with like invulnerability like it's just unattainability
and that's what I like about Marvel characters better is because they're a lot more realistic
and relatable.
Oh yeah no I absolutely agree.
But this this did an amazing job with that and like I said other than the like the pacing
issues like the story was really good I really liked what they did with the Riddler even
though it technically wasn't like the Riddler that I'm used to this was more like serial
killer.
So it's right up my alley.
Yeah like I think they said that's why I loved him so much.
Yeah I think they said they based his Riddler off of the Zodiac Killer.
Oh I love that.
So that would honestly make sense because it would just because of like the way that
they do the question mark in this movie.
It's not just like the question mark like it has like kind of like like little circles
not like not circles but kind of like half circles surrounding it.
Yeah in some instances.
So that makes absolute sense.
Oh God I love oh man I love this character even more now.
That makes me sound so freaking twisted.
Oh my God.
Like just a little bit but whatever.
Yeah like I love that we we got to follow along with this.
Oh and freaking hell when he did this I loved how they did like a reverse reveal with Batman
where they started talking about oh shit he knows who the Batman is like he's going to
reveal who the Batman is and then he gets there and then reveals he has no freaking
clue who the Batman or who Batman is.
Dude that was yeah that was some good ass writing right there.
Like they had me.
They freaking had me.
Dude I was just like shit like they are just like totally one-offing this Batman huh?
And nope like they oh my gosh dude.
Like I was that scene where he's in the in talking to Redler and he's like like feeling
like he's about to like reveal that he's Batman because they they throw you off so bad because
he starts talking about Bruce Wayne a lot and talking about all this other stuff and
then Redler's just like but he's the one we missed and then you see Batman like open his
eyes like wait what?
Like oh my gosh dude I was losing my mind over that I'm just like oh shit.
But yeah I just I really appreciated the the realistic approach that they took to Batman.
Making him make mistakes and and everything like I feel like a real cop out would have
been if he did find the bombs and was able to like go and deactivate them or whatever.
And but no like ultimately like if you really think about about it ultimately Batman failed.
It's true that yeah that's a good point.
Like he did not he wasn't able to save any of the victims he fell right into Riddler's
traps he did not figure out the clues in time to before like the the vans exploded and flooded
Gotham.
Like he didn't figure any of that shit out but I think what the goal was is to instill
fear into the everyday everyday criminal for Batman but also give Gotham like a new sense
of hope which which I feel like they did beautifully with with like the electric cable thing and
Batman jumping to that and then cutting the line falling into the water seeing the in
like just basically a call his call to action with helping the citizens of Gotham.
Like he jumps out of the water goes to the people that are trapped underneath stuff moves
stuff for an opening and begins to like guide these people out like opens the flare and
like becomes that guiding light to the people of Gotham which I like oh such good like such
a good vision to see.
Oh yeah absolutely because I feel like we've always seen Batman as someone who's like intimidating
like we've never seen him as that beacon of hope.
That's true yeah that's true that's a very good point.
Like I feel like we've seen kids and whatnot be like oh look it's Batman but that's like
that's it or like they discuss Batman but that's it like we never get to see like how
or why he is like why he wants hope or not wants hope why he aspires to that because
and we'll get into it with character development a little bit but I like how he goes from vengeance
to to hope.
Like hope for a better Gotham and yeah it's a very good character growth.
It is really hard for me to like to decide where I'm at story wise.
Where are you at?
You know I really did enjoy the story.
It did have some slow parts like I've said but overall this is a very solid Batman story.
And minus the pacing I literally have very few issues with how the story is told.
So I you know I'm gonna go a 90.
I'm gonna go a little bit higher than you.
I think I'm gonna be at like a 93.
I'm not quite in like the 95 realm just because of the pacing issues.
But everything else that we saw was just it was different and it was I feel like it was
a fresh take on Batman like everything felt fresh.
Like we didn't see Batman's parents being killed which was like a number one seller
for me.
Yeah that was kind of a breath of fresh air.
Yeah we got to see some like different sides to the like Thomas and Martha instead of it
just being some rando thug in the streets.
They died like for a reason.
I still I don't know I liked the reason in this one but I do like I liked the reasoning
in the Joker better.
Just that there was like anarchy in the streets.
Yeah well yeah and it just kind of like built up to it with how the the goon that kills
them says what the Joker says you get what you deserve.
Right as he shoots them and so it was just you know them getting rid of all of the like
stuck up what's the word stuck up rich I don't want to say pigs but rich folk.
Yeah yes like the issue that I had with the Joker's representation of that was yes that
it was just like complete and utter anarchy in the streets and they kind of like shoehorned
their way into making Thomas Wayne look like a villain.
Like with how like mean and aggressive he was to towards Joker.
And so like they went I feel like they went out of their way to make him look like a douche.
And with this it felt like very very real where Thomas Wayne was a good person but had
like made a mistake.
And then when they realized that they couldn't manipulate him through that mistake then they're
like okay shit like he's got some dirt on us we need to get him out of the way.
So like I don't know like I just like that a little bit better like like because like
Alfred said he his father was a good person his only mistake was trusting that this this
mob boss would handle things in an appropriate manner.
Which like his his motivations were very noble wanting to hide Martha from the the public
eye of all the like this embarrassment behind her like mental health issues which I really
like that they they handled that a little bit.
Comics?
No I don't think it was.
Well I don't know.
I am not that familiar with with Batman or at least his parents.
So I feel like that's something that they could touch upon eventually one day.
But the only indication that anything was wrong with Martha that I've seen is during
the Flashpoint movie.
Like the Flashpoint paradox I think it's called.
Where in like in this alternate world instead of Thomas and Martha Wayne being killed it
was Bruce Wayne that that was killed.
And yeah so it was like this alternate reality where Thomas Wayne becomes the Batman and
Martha in her grief goes completely mad and becomes the Joker.
So that is like an interesting storyline.
Yeah.
I would love to read that story more if they have it.
But yeah so that's like I said that's the only indication that anything mental health
related is up with Martha.
Other than that I don't know if they've ever touched upon that.
But I feel like it was a good addition kind of gave some more more color to the Waynes.
I'd agree with that.
Instead of these like rich people that just got shot in an alley.
It just gave them like something a little bit more interesting than just like being
rich in an alley.
So I liked it.
So writing or moving on to well first off story ended up averaging out to a 91.5.
So moving on over to writing what what did you think?
Oh I thought I thought was really good.
Everything that the I would say not only the Riddler but the Penguin said was amazing especially
the Riddler.
And this you know leads into the act into acting so I'll definitely mention it there
as well.
But his lines were just so intimidating and just that I mean even the way his character
is written and I want to know though how many freaking rolls of duct tape this man went
through because from the looks of it it looks like he uses like two rolls on each victim.
He uses a shit ton of rolls.
That is a lot of freaking duct tape.
But yeah no writing was super solid.
I really don't have a lot of problems with it.
And also you know what I should probably mention this and I it might have been just because
you know I your good old buddy Rose here just has not been getting the right amount of sleep
that he needs.
So I'll fully admit there were a couple of times in this movie that I caught myself dozing
off for like 10 and 20 seconds and I felt really bad.
So there were there were times that like honestly it was a good thing that I read the Wikipedia
says I'm like oh yeah you know the whole dozing off thing.
I said I felt really bad about it.
But I think that might have I might have actually missed some good like lines because of that.
And I do apologize.
But no overall the writing is very very good.
Matt Reeves did an amazing job with the script.
Well I said I don't even know if he wrote the script who wrote the script.
Excellent question.
Let's find out.
Matt Reeves and Peter Craig.
Oh hell yeah it was Matt Reeves too.
Yeah like he honestly did a really really good job.
And yeah the way he wrote Riddler I feel like if anything the riddles could have been a
little bit more difficult.
You know what fair enough.
But other than that like everyone was well like super well written.
Like I'm trying to think of like any dialogue that I felt like that maybe it was wasted
or but everything fit in.
How did you feel about the writing for Catwoman?
I thought it was really strong for Catwoman.
Like yeah like it was really really really strong for her.
I felt like she had the proper motivations that she was she was all for helping Batman
out.
Like OK like we can team up this one time.
But the second that she thought she had a lead on what she was like in for in the beginning
which was just about finding her friend and realizing oh this person knows something about
my friend.
I'm going to go get them and like not make Batman's life any easier.
Like I loved that.
I love that she just kind of picked up her shit and went off to do her own thing like
she wasn't.
It kind of just made me feel like OK she's not a hero.
Batman's not turning her into a hero.
She is out for herself and for her goals.
And she didn't really like deviate from that until until the end when she went to go help
Batman out.
No that is very true.
I absolutely agree.
You know super solid writing for her as well.
Yeah um Alfred was great.
Frickin Andy Serkis killed it as as Alfred.
Yes dude.
Frickin all the writing for Commissioner Gordon.
Amazing.
Oh my gosh.
Dude whoever decided to make Jeffrey Wright Commissioner Gordon chef's fricking kiss.
Absolutely agree.
He is a great successor to.
Oh my god how do I forget his name from the Dark Knight trilogy.
Gary Oldman.
Yes.
Oh my dude.
He did so good.
And I feel like I did hear a lot of bitching and complaining online about Jeffrey Wright
being cast as Commissioner Gordon because people were just like oh Commissioner Gordon's
typically like white.
Oh my god.
And I'm like he out of everyone in the DC universe he's like one character where their
race or gender doesn't really matter.
Yeah I agree.
It's not like um it's not like Bruce Wayne.
Like Bruce Wayne is like one of the rich rich people that comes from old money and who had
old money growing up.
White people.
Like you kind of have to make Batman white.
Same with Superman like Superman is just kind of like unfortunately American dream kind
of shit with him.
So as much as I hate to say it then Wonder Woman you kind of have to go a little European.
I feel like Flash you could race bend a little bit if you wanted to.
That's fair.
Um Aquaman you can I feel like you could race bend a little bit even though I do feel like
he comes from like old fisherman stock.
I mean honestly I feel them casting Jason Momoa was kind of um.
You feel that was like a race a race bend?
No a little bit.
I don't know.
Look at the comics.
To me it was you know like Stan tall kind of muscle guy.
And then you know Jason Momoa comes in long hair you know muscles of course.
But yeah just freaking muscles for days.
Jason Momoa is definitely not what I would have pictured um who they would have cast
as Aquaman.
That's fair.
But yeah it's just like some characters their gender and their race don't really matter
as long as you have the essence of the character there.
And yeah and so Jeffrey Wright being Commissioner Gordon like are there some changes you're
going to have to make?
Definitely.
Like you kind of have to have a Batwoman that's differently a different as a different race.
But again not a big issue.
Like the Batwoman movie that's coming out like has a black actress in it in the role.
And that's that movie is going to be awesome.
I don't know what universe that takes place in but I'm pretty sure it's going to be tied
into this one in a way maybe.
Hey Caleb.
What's up?
Are you having problems with your mic?
I don't think so.
Because yeah I'm getting like a lot of um like it keeps cutting out for you overall.
Apologies if there's some additional white noise.
It's raining really bad tonight.
Yeah I can do a lot of stuff.
I can't change the weather.
But yeah getting back into writing everyone I feel like everyone was written really well.
I really liked how Batman was written.
I loved how like even when he was like Bruce Wayne.
Like I feel his Bruce Wayne could have been a little bit better and maybe like I would
almost like to see him come into his role as as Bruce Wayne.
Like realizing like oh I can't just be like dark and gloomy and not perform my duties
as as Bruce Wayne.
So I maybe would have liked to see him like take a little Bruce Wayne lessons but like
I mean honestly like we don't go to movies to see Bruce Wayne.
I disagree but I'm just kidding.
So his Bruce Wayne was okay for what we got but I love that the Riddler like when they
were having their discussion that Riddler pointed out like not really caring who he
is under the mask and saying like like people don't understand the point of the mask.
He's like when I was wearing my mask I was free to be who I truly am and pointing out
to Batman like I feel like you've you're doing that you've done the same.
Like you are being who you want to be.
Like who you really are and that's always been something with Bruce Wayne.
Like apparently like Bruce Wayne even in his own mind when he's referring to himself calls
himself Batman.
Like he does not refer to himself as Bruce Wayne.
Like Bruce Wayne is Batman's cover not the other way around.
And so I love that they touched upon that in just like such a simple and elegant way.
But I think the over the writing was really freaking strong through all of this movie.
Yeah I would absolutely agree.
Honestly I might be.
Are you higher?
I don't know if I'm high.
I think I'm I think I'm at the same level.
Okay I think I'm gonna be at 93 again.
I'm gonna actually go like slightly higher for mine so I'm gonna go at 91.
I can respect that.
Alright well that averages us out to a 92 for our writing.
Moving on over to acting we have Robert Pattinson who played Bruce Wayne slash the Batman.
We have Zoe Kravitz who played Selena Kyle slash Catwoman.
Jeffrey Wright who played Lieutenant James Gordon.
Colin Farrell who played the Penguin.
Paul Dano who played the Riddler.
John Titoro who played Carmine Falcone.
Andy Serkis who played Alfred.
And I think that's it.
Yeah I don't think anyone else played like a big enough role to be included.
I have a actually I don't know if our top three is gonna be the same.
So what's your top three look like?
Alright number three I'm gonna get Robert Pattinson because he did a great job.
This was a great Batman.
He was the right pick for the job and I really enjoyed his performance.
Number two I'm gonna give to Paul Dano as the Riddler.
He was incredible.
Oh my god.
Even under that mask his acting was a top notch.
It was so freaking good.
And number one I'm gonna actually give to Colin Farrell.
I knew it.
Because for those actually I don't think I've ever said this on the podcast.
The Penguin has always been my favorite Batman villain ever since I was a kid.
I loved the Penguin.
And so seeing him on the big screen always just gives me a huge smile on my face.
And even though he's not in the movie a lot.
I mean he's definitely not the main villain.
The Riddler is the main villain of this but he's still a very good side villain.
And Colin Farrell just does an incredible job as him.
The prosthetics.
Oh my god don't even get me started on those are incredible.
Just Penguin was amazing in this film.
Colin Farrell was incredible.
So yeah.
That's why he's number one.
Dude he is completely unrecognizable as the Penguin.
And I'll be 100% real.
I don't feel like his acting or his performance.
This is going to be a very controversial thing that I'm about to say.
I feel he brought the same energy into this movie that he did when he played Bullseye
in Daredevil.
I've never seen the original Daredevil so I can't comment on that.
Okay for those of you that have seen Daredevil.
So just first off he played a completely shitty Bullseye.
But the problem was it was like in that weird span of time where superhero movies were starting
to become a little bit more serious.
And it didn't feel like he was taking it that seriously.
Right?
Like he was just kind of overacting putting a little bit too much like weirdness and energy
where there didn't need to be any.
If you watch his performance it's super weird.
And I say he brought the same energy into the Batman because I feel like the Penguin
was also this.
But it was done in a good way.
He definitely brought a lot of enthusiasm and energy into playing the Penguin.
But this was done right.
Or this just happened to be the character that it worked for.
Okay yeah.
Now I gotta watch Daredevil because I gotta see how freaking bad this shit is.
I do not.
If you have not seen Daredevil you could probably just get away with watching the Bullseye scenes
on YouTube.
Oh really?
I have a soft spot for that movie because it was like my first introduction to Daredevil
and he's like in my top 10 favorite superheroes.
So yeah that's the only reason that I find that movie watchable.
And even when I did watch it, like I rewatched it recently.
Not good.
Yeah?
That bad huh?
It was just kind of like okay I had my nostalgia kick and I'm putting that movie away for a
good couple years.
Now what about Elektra?
How is that?
Absolutely no.
I'm not even talking about Elektra.
That movie is complete and utter garbage.
But yeah like I know that I'm gonna catch shit for that.
Like some people are gonna be like what?
But it's just it was the same energy in the right circumstance.
With his Bullseye in Daredevil it was the wrong energy in the wrong situation.
So it was just it just worked better I feel.
Like he especially with like a character like the penguin.
Like come on.
He's a cheat.
But yeah like my my top three.
Shit.
I'm number three.
This is freaking tough.
I'm gonna give to Zoe Kravitz.
Okay.
And my top three is gonna be very controversial.
Okay yeah so my number three I'm going to give to Zoe Kravitz as Selena Kyle because
anytime she was on screen it was she was just captivating.
Like she I'm really I'm trying really hard not to describe her how I'm about to describe
her.
She has this seductiveness to her performance where it's just like has like those hints
of of flirt in them that I feel I feel like Halle Berry tried having but just failed miserably.
Like yeah you know yeah that's fair enough.
Like there's always like this there's there's a sexual energy between Catwoman and Batman.
And she was able to pull off her Catwoman better than anyone to date has been able to.
And I am including the animated renditions of Catwoman in on this.
Okay.
They did such a good job at not being like overly sexual or overly flirtatious or anything
like that.
They were it was just like there were hints of a flirt in there.
And I feel like that works so much better.
The chemistry between Zoe Kravitz and Robert Pattinson was just electric.
Oh dude seriously that's so good.
Like you knew whenever they were looking at each other that you're just like they're ready
to friggin just like to get at it.
Like and it would be freaking just carnal.
Oh my god.
That was okay that was amazing.
Yeah but like that's just the vibe that they had wasn't it.
Oh yeah no I absolutely agree.
I just didn't think you'd actually say it.
Yeah and then like the way that she acted when she was talking to Batman and saying
like come away with me come away with me and saying like oh I guess you're spoken for like
in regards to the city.
Like the way it's almost seeming like she was like disappointed.
Yeah you know that's a good point.
But yeah like her I loved every second of her performance so that's why she's my number
three.
My number two I have to give to Paul Dano.
He oh good hell.
His Riddler though not comic accurate was terrifying.
He was so freaking scary.
Right?
Oh.
Like the way that they introduced us to him where the mayor is watching this show or watching
his debate on TV and hearing what the news is saying about it and he's like pacing back
and forth like multiple times.
And when he like walks by one time you suddenly see Riddler just standing there like holy
shit.
Like oh dude that was so freaking scary.
Like all you see is the eyes and you're just like I was like asking myself I'm like how
does he not see that?
How does he not see that?
And then like realizing just how dark it was in that room I'm like I don't know if I would
have seen that.
Because I always seem to like forget in situations like that in movies like or like if someone's
like looking at you from like another room or looking at you from somewhere.
Like you're not expecting that person to be there.
So it's like you're not looking for it.
And how easy it is to pass by something and not realize it's there.
Yeah.
Like it there's just like a lot of truth to that.
Like it's kind of like it's kind of like how I get like scared from like bugs.
I am not like wait what?
I do not know that.
No it's not like I'm scared of bugs.
Like I'm not.
I'm not scared of bugs.
Like the only bug that I would say that I'm kind of afraid of is moths but I feel it's
just because I find them gross.
Okay.
But like when it comes to like to any sort of bug or beetle or whatever they scare me
because I'm like walking around my house and then I suddenly see something moving that
shouldn't.
Or it's or like when a cat sneaks up on me like in a house that I've never been to I'm
not expecting to see a cat and then suddenly oh there's a cat and I'm like oh!
Like it's the same like with bugs too.
It's like it's just that situation.
Like I'm not looking for bugs but once I notice there's a bug it startles me and so it was
kind of like that situation where I didn't like he wouldn't be looking for the Riddler
until it was like too late.
I love though that Caleb is the complete opposite of how someone usually reacts to a cat.
You're usually like aw a kitty.
Caleb's like aw spawn of Satan.
Yeah cats are freaking evil dude.
No they're not.
Dude I was at my neighbor's house yesterday and they had their cats out.
They usually put their cats away when I come over but for they were like feeding their
cats and like I came and like walked around a corner and the cat was there and I like
jumped and then backed away and they're just like oh she's like the sweetest thing.
She won't do anything.
I'm like yeah I've heard that before and then they like tried saying like oh no like really
like this cat wouldn't do anything and I'm like yeah I've heard that before too.
Oh shit.
See but I feel like I could truly say that about my cat.
That's what everyone thinks about being able to say that about their cat.
Like everyone.
There's not a single person that's going to be like oh yeah that cat's like a mean little
bitch.
Like I've never met a single cat owner that's been able to admit that their cat is evil.
My cat is not evil.
My son is an angel from God.
I don't know what to address first.
The fact that you think that your cat is an angel from God or the fact that you just called
your cat your son.
Hey my cat is my child so you can kiss my ass.
Wow I don't want to accept that you have dead bodies in your yard but I'm slowly getting
to that point.
That's what pushes you closer to that that I call my cat my son.
There's a lot of things that bring me closer Rose but that's just one of them.
Do you know how many freaking people call their cats their children their son their
daughter.
I'm not the only one buddy.
Yeah and I think those people are serial killers too.
They're not or you're not special.
Damn it.
I thought I was the only one that's obsessed with John Wayne Gacy.
Damn it.
It's just the fact that you call your cat your son on top of being obsessed with a serial
killer.
With a serial killer.
I don't understand.
I don't know that's just like such a weird being like oh well Jonathan you know Gacy
on top of his.
You think that's weird.
No just you saying oh yeah you calling your cat son is just weird.
Like yeah that just really adds to how much I lean leaning more towards that you really
are a serial killer Rose.
Rose I feel like everyone who calls their cat or just pet in general their son is weird.
But it's not just the fact that you call your cat your son.
It's the fact that you are obsessed with John Wayne Gacy and also call your cat your son.
That makes me feel like if I were to be interviewed for like 2020 when people like discover all
the bodies and they're just like did you know.
I feel like deep down I feel like I did.
Hey you know if I never have kids that's the closest he's the closest thing I'll ever have
to actually you know raising something.
Good hell.
Oh my gosh.
You're insane.
You know anyway getting back to Riddler Paul Dano's performance for the Riddler was just
unnerving.
Like anytime the Riddler was on screen it was just like it was it was very tense.
Did you have a hard time understanding him at all behind the mask.
Occasionally okay.
But like there were a couple times where I had like a little difficulty hearing what
he was saying but for the most part it wasn't nearly as bad as like Bane.
I'll fully admit like when this comes to HBO Max I think it's April 19th.
I will definitely be going back and like watching every Riddler scene with subtitles on just
to make sure that I got every single line correct.
Yeah like ironically enough I feel like I had the most difficult time hearing him during
the riddles.
That's funny.
But yeah so Paul Dano's my number two and honestly for just what he brought to the performance
I'm giving my number one to Jeffrey Wright.
Okay I'd like it.
And this kills me and I've thought about it really hard but Robert Pattinson's like number
four for me.
And not in a bad way.
These people are just so close together and I'll definitely be reflecting it in my acting
score.
I thought that like the acting in this was incredible.
But yeah just if I'm ranking them Jeffrey Wright was like top performance for me.
I think he did an incredible job playing Commissioner Gordon or Lieutenant Gordon.
That's so weird having to say that.
Yeah not quite the Commissioner yet.
Yeah we're not there yet.
But he just brought like so much to the plate.
Like his I feel like the relationship between Batman and Gordon has never felt like a partnership
until this movie.
Like it's always felt like Batman knows something that Gordon doesn't and Gordon's just kind
of always kept out of the loop until it's like convenient for Batman.
Yeah that's a good point.
But in this like they say on multiple occasions like you're the only person I trust.
Like and they say that a lot throughout this like I only trust you and then even Gordon
he says like the only person I trust right now is you.
Like to Batman.
And Gordon helps Batman escape.
He knows.
There's not like a single moment where Gordon starts to question Batman and I don't know
I really like that dynamic.
Like it's nice when Batman freaking brings people into his like circle.
That's true.
That's very true.
So yeah but just because I do want to talk about him Robert Pattinson's Batman was so
good.
Like he is such an incredible actor.
Like he doesn't he doesn't like try and oversell anything.
He knows who he's there to play and he played him really well.
I don't feel he overacted.
I don't think he underacted.
I think he he gave a master performance for this new this new Batman.
I absolutely agree.
Yeah so.
Where are you at with your your acting grade?
Since everyone was so perfectly cast in this film just everyone literally everyone was
just chef's kiss.
I'm going to 95.
I'm actually right there with you.
Hell yeah.
Yeah so that averages our acting score to a 95.
All right moving on over to character development.
I have a lot of thoughts on this one and they are all positive.
I was going to say if they're negative we might have some choice words here.
Yeah.
So I still need to gather my thoughts a little bit more.
So you want to take this one first.
Sure I would love to.
So kind of like what I was saying earlier I love that we start out this movie focuses
on a Batman that hasn't been Batman for a lifetime like a career.
This is only Bruce Wayne being Batman for two years so he's still trying to get his
footing like we talked about.
You see him you see him mess up.
You see him not being able to solve all of Riddler's riddles.
He is too late on on.
I wouldn't say I don't know Caleb would you say he was too late on a lot of Riddler's
riddles or like half of them.
I wouldn't say he was too late on some.
What would you say?
Like he was pretty quick with like with the draw.
Like with what's his face the D.A. that got his face blown up and like he was able to
answer those riddles pretty quick.
The only trouble that he really came into and in that situation was the D.A. not cooperating.
That's okay that's fair.
I mean I just can't remember how many riddles there were because he unfortunately didn't
make it in time for when Alfred got blown up at Wayne Manor.
He didn't make it in time for the vans.
Were there any other riddles that he failed?
Not failed but you know.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of any but yeah I think those were the big ones.
Like definitely when the guy got blown up.
Definitely when Alfred was put in danger.
Like yeah there were a few that he was a little late on.
But I mean he did make the call.
It was just Alfred was being super freaking difficult to get a hold of.
That's okay that's fair.
Actually it happened an hour prior.
Yeah so wait a minute.
So he was pretty late.
Yeah.
Okay so yeah there was a few.
Like he kind of just fell into Riddler's traps.
Yeah.
Like for the most part.
The only one that he was able to foil was the assassination of the new mayor.
Yeah that is true.
That is very true.
So seeing that, seeing him of course you know getting shot at and having to.
Doesn't he inject himself with.
What does he inject himself with?
I thought it was like some sort of adrenaline.
That's what I thought too.
But I did kind of have a quick thought about what it may have been.
Like if it wasn't just like straight up adrenaline.
What do you think it was?
I felt or thought that it seemed really similar to the stuff that Bane uses.
I think it's called Venom.
Like that's the name of the stuff.
It gives Bane like super strength.
I honestly feel like it could have just been adrenaline.
But that's what I instantly like where my mind went when he pulled that out and like
injected himself and he just like went crazy.
I was just like oh shit was that like Bane's Venom?
That's where my mind went but honestly it probably was just adrenaline.
But yeah so you know seeing that happening and just watching him throughout the movie
continue to learn how he can be the best Batman that he can be for Gotham City and how towards
the end he discovers that he doesn't need to be vengeance.
He needs to be hope for Gotham because that's what Gotham really needs.
So yeah amazing character arc for Bruce Wayne and Batman in this film.
Yeah I really have like no problems.
What about you Caleb?
Yeah I absolutely agree with you.
Like I said this is a side of Batman that we've never gotten to see before.
Like he's always just kind of beat up the criminals and run away.
Like he's never been like out in the open helping the community like he was in this.
He was able to take down the people that needed to be taken down and I feel like the moment
when he hears that Riddler lackey say that he is like I am vengeance like it kind of
puts it kind of gave me um killing joke vibes.
I mean Matt Reeves did say he did get inspiration from that comic for this film so.
Yeah but just like that whole discussion of like Batman and the Joker are basically two
sides of the same coin.
And it was just kind of like this situation.
Like I think when like he went over like just fresh out of going to the prison with Riddler
or going to Arkham with Riddler and him thinking like we're a team like we're such a good team
aren't we?
And Batman's just like what the hell are you talking about?
And he's just like you you basically like helped my plan.
Like you've and then like realizing like oh you didn't do it on purpose.
And just that like sudden realization like thinking that they like Riddler this entire
time thought that they were on the same side.
And then it was like at that moment that he realized that oh you've been trying to like
stop me.
Like you haven't just been going along with my game like you've been trying to stop me
and like this isn't how it's supposed to go.
Blah blah blah blah.
And I think the final straw with that was hearing that that guy say like I am vengeance
because that's like exactly what he said at the beginning of the movie.
And it was almost like a switch flipped in him.
And he's like just realizes oh I don't need to be vengeance for the city.
There's enough of that going around.
What I need to be is like that light of hope or just that I need to bring hope to Gotham.
And thinking of like a different way to do that not necessarily with violence or whatnot.
So yeah just seeing him become that like in such a literal sense too like saving the crowd
of people and guiding them out of danger and helping them get the help that they need.
And I think what really like set that off or like set that thought off for me was when
he was putting that lady in the National Guard helicopter thing and she grabs onto him and
he kind of just gives her that nod like you'll be okay.
Oh yeah I love that part.
Like you could tell that he was like slightly shocked by it but then taking that moment
of realization to see like oh she's looking to me as like a guide.
And yeah it's just it's a side of Batman that we've never seen before.
And it was like I've said it was really refreshing to see.
Yeah I absolutely agree.
This is a freaking tough one too.
If I have my personal score for this or like my what score I'm going to give it because
we see very clearly that that line of thinking.
I think I'm sitting at a 90 for character development.
Like it was just really well done.
You know what I'm going to match you on that.
I absolutely agree with you.
Alrighty well that averages out to a 90.
Moving on over to effects.
This was pretty good.
Yeah the effects were pretty solid.
I mean I feel the bat signal looked amazing.
I'll fully admit when they first showcased the new Batman symbol I wasn't the biggest
fan of it.
But it's definitely grown on me.
I like it now.
Oh yeah it's definitely grown on me too.
I wasn't a big fan of like a lot of stuff.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the suit or the cowl or just a lot of that.
But for what this Batman is it worked really well.
Absolutely.
Because now that you know that it's only two years in he's still trying to get that perfect
armor that he needs for Batman.
Yeah exactly.
So I think I mean we'll get into that with costumes and what not.
But in motion.
This movie didn't rely on CGI effects that often.
No most of this was very very practical.
Can we talk about that Batmobile chase with a...
Holy shit bro.
That was incredible.
Oh my gosh.
That dude how the hell were they able to make that like they made that Batmobile somehow
more intimidating than Christian Bale's freaking tumbler.
Right?
And that's an impossible fleet.
Feet whatever.
Yeah the freaking tumbler's a tank.
Yeah but they did it.
Dude when I...
When you see the engine start to get like red hot and almost glowing like eyes.
I was just like oh shit's about to get real.
And just like the sound of the freaking jet engine on the back of that damn car.
Holy balls.
Dude this was a super tense car chase.
Oh yeah absolutely.
I didn't even know if Penguin was gonna make it.
Well technically okay I take that back because in the trailers you can clearly tell that
he makes it out alive.
But if they hadn't have shown the trailer I feel there could have been a good chance
that you thought that the Penguin wasn't gonna make it out alive.
Yeah.
Now that I'm thinking about it when he's walking towards the car when it's flipped upside down
I feel like they could have cut out the scene where he was like ducking down and looking.
That's fair.
I think it would have just been like walking towards him and then cut to the interrogation
with him.
Like a super minor complaint.
Just immediately after like a badass car chase.
But holy shit bro.
That Batmobile.
It was insane.
I wasn't sure how like a muscle car would work as the Batmobile.
This is top three Batmobiles for me now.
Yeah you know what I would agree with you.
Like I would absolutely agree with you.
I was never like the biggest fan of the of the Tumblr.
But this freaking blew that one out of the water.
It was so good.
It was so freaking good.
I loved how they like the use of the darkness in this and just like the way that like the
shit that they were able to pull with the darkness.
Like in the beginning when he's walking through the hallway.
Like that was freaking scary as shit.
Like they were so good at about building tension and then like they did the exact same freaking
thing with the Batmobile.
So good.
I feel like the only like CGI effects that I wasn't super impressed with were maybe some
of the like when he's hanging off of the the Jumbotron looking thing at the end fight.
Like you could tell that that was fake.
Okay that's fair.
Like had a lot of like rubbery-ness to it.
But for the most part like there was only a couple moments where I felt like that.
And one of them was when he jumped off in his wingsuit which that looked weird.
Yeah it did.
Like I wish that he had mastered the art of having his cape just turn into wings.
Yeah.
I hope they fix that.
I hope so too man.
I hope so too.
But yeah like I thought like the idea was pretty cool.
I'm like oh he changed into a wingsuit.
That's pretty bitchin'.
And then when I like saw it when he was like standing on that gargoyle and like spread
out like he looked like a freaking pillowcase.
And then he jumps off and hell didn't even freaking work that well.
Like I want to know what the hell plan A was.
Like he opened the damn parachute like right before going underneath a bridge.
And then he's suddenly like shocked that he like swings and hits the freaking bridge from
underneath.
Like yeah no shit man.
What do you think was gonna happen?
So I can't remember.
Makeup does that go?
Do we include that with the Fexure costumes?
Costumes.
Okay.
Alright cool.
Just wanted to confirm.
Thank you.
It is kind of a tough one huh?
Just a little bit.
Yeah.
I don't think we could get away with not talking about the prosthetics they used on Colin Farrell.
At all.
Oh my god.
Oh.
I remember I forget his name that plays Falcone.
He said like his first day on set he didn't recognize Colin Farrell at all until like
he actually like you know started talking with him.
You know mentioned who he was actually behind the makeup.
He's like no shit.
No way.
I feel that I'd be the same.
He's unrecognizable.
Dude.
Absolutely.
Oh my gosh.
Like that is no freaking joke.
Like I try really hard.
He has the same situation that I have with Heath Ledger's Joker.
I cannot see Heath Ledger.
Yeah dude same.
To save my life.
Same.
And there's another character like from a different movie.
I'm trying to remember which one.
Oh.
Freaking Sarah Jessica Parker in Hocus Pocus.
No matter how hard I look at her character in Hocus Pocus I cannot see Sarah Jessica
Parker.
You know what.
Yeah that's fair.
That is fair.
Like holy.
Dude.
I know.
Is that one technically costumes.
What makeup.
Yeah.
Or prosthetics.
I think so.
Yeah.
That's how I feel.
But.
Whatever.
Like I don't care.
Yeah.
But oh so freaking good.
Trying to think of like any other like special effects that stood out because everything
else seemed like super practical.
The the.
The stunt work with the fights was just.
Amazing.
Yeah.
God damn did Batman go freaking ruthless on those on literally every single fight that
he got into.
Like.
Damn.
Um.
Dude my favorite fight was when he was walking into that nightclub.
And was just freaking bushwhacking the hell out of people.
Yeah that that was great.
Like freaking.
Like did he deflect a bullet with a bat.
I cannot remember.
Like there was some dude that was like pointing a gun at him and he just finished beating
the shit out of some dude with a bat.
And then he like takes the bat and like deflects a bullet while he's throwing it.
Takes the dude out and like just freaking just lays waste to to these dudes.
It was like right before he first started interacting with with Penguin.
Oh.
Like that dude that fight was just awesome.
And just like the fact that he kept beating up the same people too.
Like like just threw out like the freaking twins.
Yeah.
Those two guys were freaking hilarious.
Such assholes.
But I think that's what that made him funny to me.
I would love to know who they're like supposed to be.
Like if they're like original characters or if they're like from anything.
That's a good question.
But yeah like the combat was just.
Oh.
It was just brutal.
It wasn't it wasn't like overly gory either.
Which I feel like you could go like that direction.
But it felt it felt good.
It felt like real combat.
Like Batman wasn't just like beating the shit out of people.
Like he was also getting the shit kicked out of him.
Like he was taking like shots to the back.
Getting like hitting the head with freaking rifles all the time.
Like he was not coming out like scott free.
Have you seen that video?
I think it's the Batman beating up on the Joker.
And he's just keeps like freaking laying into him.
And a couple of guys decided to say hey dude I think you got him.
And Batman's just like do you want some of it too?
And they're just like no no no.
He's like that's what I thought.
Justice for Gotham.
And just keeps beating the shit out of him.
Oh my god.
Yeah I've seen that.
That's a sound on TikTok isn't it?
Yeah.
You want what he's having?
The best one I've seen of that is freaking they did it with Lego.
And it's Tom Spider-Man beating up Green Goblin and Toby.
I think it's Toby's Spider-Man that chimes in and says that.
It's freaking amazing.
Well dude freaking speaking of his Batman voice was good.
I honestly think I liked it better than Christian Bale's.
Well Christian Bale just went like too far with the gruffiness because he would go for
like he almost put too much breath into it.
Tell me where the drugs are.
Yeah that's true.
Like but yeah Robert Pattinson just kind of went like a little.
I wouldn't even say he went like deeper with his voice.
He just kind of growled his lines.
Yeah that's a good way to say it.
Instead of like Christian Bale's tell me where the drugs are he just kind of like just went
like like just kind of grunting it.
Like just like a mild grunt just yeah like if he were to say the same thing it just tell
me where the drugs are.
Which I feel that's how you should do a Batman voice.
Yeah like that or freaking go Ben Affleck's voice changer.
That's true.
The voice changer was like a welcome addition to Batman.
But I mean I understand that Matt Raves didn't want to like copy anything.
But yeah Robert Pattinson's Batman voice is just so much incredibly better.
But yeah it was good.
It was like special effects wise like they freaking knocked it out of the park.
Yeah absolutely agree.
Other than those couple rubbery looking scenes that I saw I'm fairly high with this.
I think I'm at like a 92.
No you know what I think I'm gonna match you there yeah.
Alright next up we got music which I guess can be like full audio too.
Yeah.
Because they did use a lot of silence in this.
To perfection.
Yeah.
I appreciated the hell like I know we haven't brought it up yet but I appreciate the hell
out of the lack of jump scares.
Because I feel like there's a couple times where they could have done one.
Like or just done a few.
Yeah that's a good point.
I was almost expecting one when Riddler attacked the mayor at the beginning.
But like with that you just kind of like see him standing there and then attack.
Which wasn't like straight up jump scare because you knew that Riddler was there.
But yeah I appreciated that.
Like I feel like he could have gone pretty hard with like the horror-esque feel and given
us some jump scares and I'm really glad he didn't.
Like he kind of just let the tension speak for itself.
Yeah no that's very true.
Like when he like when Riddler attacks the mayor it is like it's scary.
But not like a like oh shit.
Yeah exactly.
But shit like music wise I'd have to say I'm at an eight with this one.
Like I do feel like the music definitely enhanced all the scenes that they were given.
They did really well at building tension.
Just the intimidation that we would hear when like Batman was in the shadows and just walking
around.
Or the silence that we would get when he's walking through the hallway full of cops.
I mean which did those guys have like anything else to do?
Because they were like the whole department was freaking there.
Yeah can we talk.
There's that one cop towards the beginning like when they first like are discovering
the Riddler and literally he doesn't stop Batman until he's almost past him to the point
where he's just like whoa there buddy.
Like you know only authorized personnel.
I'm like you couldn't have stopped him back there.
You literally had to wait right as he's passing you.
Yeah I know it's just like I thought that was so freaking weird because it's like you
can obviously see he's walking with Gordon.
Yeah and he doesn't even give like a confused face or anything.
He has a straight face up until the point where he's just like whoa buddy.
I know.
It's just like what do you think you're gonna do bro?
Like he'll freaking beat the shit out of you and all your friends in the hallway.
I loved the interactions that he had with the Gotham City police.
Like I said this is something that we've never seen Batman do before.
Like we've never seen him work around other people and it makes sense.
Like he's always kind of gone in after the fact and like found stuff that people have
missed or it's just some bullshit like that.
Like Gordon feeling like he can call Batman up and like do the investigation while the
rest of the department's there like just says a lot about their relationship and it's like
I said gives us something that we've never seen before.
It's kind of like a oh not a private investigator.
What the hell am I thinking of?
A shit what word am I thinking of?
I wish I knew man I'm sorry.
This is gonna bug the ever living hell out of me.
A something for the department a oh my hell.
Consultant that's what the word is.
Consultant.
There you go.
Dude I was going through like every crime show that I could think of.
I'm like what the hell is that word?
Consultant.
Oh so yeah I really like that.
But yeah the use of music was really good.
I do feel it did lack some memorable tune but I mean it makes sense for this type of
man.
Yeah for a Batman film.
Yeah it absolutely makes sense.
Yeah so I'm sitting at an eight for music.
Once again I'm gonna match you man.
A lot of matching in this episode.
Yeah a lot more than we usually have.
Alright next up we've got costumes.
So I think the big ones are definitely Batman's.
Catwoman Redler and freaking penguin.
Yes absolutely agree.
Everyone else like had some I mean they were all in like cop uniforms or just detective
outfits so pretty basic stuff.
But honestly I think the suit that I didn't care for the most was probably Selena's.
I mean I would agree with you but really.
Yes and okay okay the suit yes.
Her half ass mask.
That's what pulled me out of it.
I was just like what?
That just threw the whole thing off.
Yeah when she's like beating the shit out of that one cop over by the signal she has
like a beanie with a hole in it so you can see like the top part of her face pretty clearly
and then there's just like a string going across her nose.
I'm like that looks weird.
Yeah seriously she has like the top of the line burglar outfit suit.
Catwoman suit whatever that she's wearing and then I guess she just couldn't afford
to get the matching mask so she had to go home and make her own out of an old black
beanie that she had.
Yeah I wish they would have kind of taken a note out of the Christopher Nolan films
and kind of done what they did and turned her ears into goggles.
Yes I absolutely agree.
But honestly I feel like that's my only complaint with her suit.
Everything else looked like super good.
I mean in regards to her like I know that she was just wearing like leather but.
No but still it looked great.
Yeah it looked really good.
Didn't feel out of place.
I'm not sure how well you can move around in leather but she seemed to do it pretty
well.
Yeah I would agree.
Which I mean can we just talk about her fighting style real quick?
She was brutal with those kicks.
Oh yeah very.
I want to know what kind of training Zoe Kravitz had like if she did her own stunts because
it seemed like she did like a lot of kickboxing kind of stuff.
That'd be freaking awesome.
Is it judo that does a lot of kicks?
Some sort of fighting style that does a lot of kick work?
It was impressive.
It was super freaking impressive.
Yeah then Paul Dano's Riddler was awesome.
I remember when they first showcased the outfit before this movie came out.
I can't remember how long ago they did that.
But I remember I was like oh what the hell is that?
But after seeing it like in person on the big screen I freaking loved it.
Even the mask.
I love that I actually love that his glasses that he wears are clear.
They're just clear white glasses.
So I feel that just adds even more creepiness to the whole outfit.
Oh for sure.
Yeah like they he was definitely taking or Matt Reeves was definitely taking a more realistic
route and yeah I don't think we'd ever see like suit and tie with question marks all
over it Riddler like ever.
No yeah we're not back in the Joel Schumacher age.
Which I that was like one of my favorite things that I liked about Riddler.
Like growing up like I grew up watching like Adam West Batman and so that that is who I
think of when I think of the Riddler.
Like the guy who was always in like a green suit and whatever.
So I personally missed it.
I mean that's fair.
I mean I'm always up for a new iteration of a character especially a new design.
So though for how Matt Reeves sets up this universe I think the way that the Riddler
is dressed definitely absolutely fits into this.
But no I absolutely agree with you.
I feel I probably didn't watch.
Oh my god.
I just Adam West's Batman as much as you did because honestly I don't even think I ever
watched the show.
I only ever watched the movie as a kid.
But I do remember that yeah that Riddler is the one I always think of when I actually
think of the character.
Yeah like I said for the realistic adaptation that Matt Reeves was going for it worked out
really well.
It felt like someone real.
Like a serial killer coming up with an alias for themselves wearing like just something
creepy.
Like apparently to get into the role Paul Dano like wrapped himself completely in Saran
Wrap.
Wow.
Okay that's dedication.
Yeah and he's like yeah I immediately regretted it.
I would too.
But I mean the suit was killer.
The suit was freaking killer.
So yeah I like you had my issues when it was first released.
But seeing it in motion and seeing how well it fit into the tone of this movie definitely
forgiven and completely understand where and why you guys went with that look.
I mean next up freaking Penguin.
Like we said freaking unrecognizable.
Yep prosthetics were just chef's kiss for I swear if this movie doesn't get nominated
for the makeup alone at the Oscars next year I'm gonna be pissed.
Dude no shit.
Like yeah the makeup team on this movie y'all need to deserve a raise for what you did to
Colin Farrell because y'all worked miracles.
You totally did.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah if this doesn't even get a nomination freaking riots in the street.
Exactly.
Yeah but I don't know what else can be said about that costume that we already haven't
freaking gawked over.
The only thing that I wish it included was a umbrella and a top hat.
That is the only thing I wish I would have seen the Penguin wear.
I hope we see that in the show that we're gonna get with him.
That would make me so happy.
So happy.
And then last up Batman himself.
I will say I did have my hesitations about Robert Pattinson playing Batman and mostly
in like with physique because Robert Pattinson is a very lean person.
He doesn't have a whole lot of bulk on him like Christian Bale had or Ben Affleck.
I would relate more to Christian Bale though because freaking Ben Affleck got freaking
swole for his Batman.
Holy shit.
Honestly when it comes to Batman I feel he had more of the physique of Michael Keaton.
Like just kind of on the skinnier lanky side.
I would agree with that.
I like that comparison.
Yeah I don't feel like he started getting bulky.
The suit definitely adds a lot of muscle to him but when the suits are off I feel like
their physique matches pretty well.
So seeing a lean Batman was definitely something different.
But it makes sense for the shit that Batman does.
He's doing a lot of hand to hand combat fighting.
Getting to be very agile and I feel like being overly bulky kind of makes that difficult.
So really appreciated that.
Just the suit design.
It feels very homemade.
It's cool how on the side of his mask you can see the seam lines.
It was almost like hand sewn.
You can almost see stitching in his outfit.
That's freaking awesome.
I love that.
It's crazy.
His mask gives me some major Adam West vibes.
That's always a good thing.
I think they were able to pull off the bigger ears.
He definitely had the Arkham games ears.
Which looked really good.
The mask felt very Adam West.
Just like the rest of the suit.
It looked like things that weren't meant to go together that were just kind of put together.
Yeah, that's a good way to describe it.
Like the boots.
Like the boots were like black combat boots.
The rest of his suit was like black pants with armor on them.
Just more armor as he moved up.
And the shoulder pads, just basically all armored out.
And then he had some cool attachments to his gauntlets.
Then his utility belt felt very personalized.
Yeah, that's the word.
Are you okay?
Pronunciation is hard today.
It's hard every day.
But yeah, so I really liked his bat suit all together.
And I loved that his bat was actually like something he could utilize.
It was a knife, wasn't it?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I loved that.
I thought that was so cool.
When he pulled that out and was using it, I'm like, that's the shit.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
It's not quite like batarangs or anything, but it's pretty cool.
Which I mean, I loved.
I really like batarangs, but I'm kind of glad that they didn't throw them in here.
Yeah, that's fair.
I feel that's definitely something that Batman probably...
I don't really know the character of Batman that much.
I've never read a Batman comic in my life.
But I would just assume that that's something that Batman doesn't start to adapt or come
up with until a little later on into his career as Batman.
Maybe around year five or a little more on.
Yeah, I think the only reason they even...
Well, obviously the reason they threw him into Michael Keaton or Val Kilmer and George
Clooney was because that's just kind of something that they had in the Batman comics.
Yeah.
Christian Bale threw them in because they're like, oh, he was trained by ninjas.
Ninjas use ninja stars.
So yeah, and then this one, I'm kind of glad that they didn't.
And I hope that we get a good reason if he ever does get batarangs.
Yes, I absolutely agree.
The only way that I would accept that is if he was in the middle of some sort of combat
and he needed to throw his bat's sword knives at someone.
And he's like, that was useful.
Yeah, overall, the outfits were just killer.
Like, absolutely killer.
I'm trying to think if there's any reason why I wouldn't give this a 10, but I can't
think of any.
Good, because I can't either.
OK, 10 it is.
All right, last up, we got our own personal grade.
So you want to take this one first?
I would love to.
So overall, this is a great solo Batman film.
It did drag in a couple of spots for me.
But overall, the story is great.
The acting is amazing.
The costumes are just, oh my God, chef kiss, the makeup prosthetics, especially on the
penguin.
Oh my God.
I can't say enough good about those.
Yeah, Robert Pattinson is great.
This is a great introduction to his Batman.
And I honestly can't wait to see what we get next from this Batman film series, because
I want to say that they plan on releasing two more films along with the TV series.
So yeah, I can't wait to see what happens next.
So I'm going to go a solid 90.
Nice.
Yeah, I'm on the same boat as you.
This was a really solid movie, like genuine surprise for me.
Like I was expecting it to be good.
I wasn't expecting it to be this good.
But also there were like we did say it drags in some parts, probably could have been cut
down by a few minutes.
And unfortunately, I feel like the rewatchability on this is might be a little low.
Because it's not necessarily that this movie isn't like rewatchable.
This movie is so long.
It'd be like it'd be really hard to sit down and rewatch this.
And that's something I kind of try to take into account with movies.
I mean, it has enough rewatch value where you can go back and pick up some some different
things and maybe some different themes as well.
But I overall thoroughly enjoyed this movie.
And yeah, I am very excited to see what the the future of Battenson has.
So I might be a little bit lower.
I think I'm going to go to an 88, which averages us out to an 89.
I really thought that you would actually be higher.
Like, maybe I was speaking, I thought this movie was really good.
Like being a critic, super good.
As of like I said, like with me, like personally, it wasn't my favorite superhero movie.
It was a really good like I put this one kind of on the same level as.
Like, personally speaking, personally speaking, I'd put this on the same level as The Dark
Knight.
See, I would rank The Dark Knight a lot, not a lot higher, but definitely higher.
And the fact that you put rewatch ability into the whole mix, like, dude, yeah, I'm
sorry, that makes me change my score.
So yeah, I'm dropping it to an 87.
Shit, man.
I'm sorry.
I didn't think about the whole rewatch ability thing and how much, yeah, that actually does
affect my score because honestly, I'm probably going to see this like maybe once more just
to catch the moments that I missed the 20 seconds that I dozed off a couple of times.
And that's probably going to be seeing it again in theaters because, you know, I want
to see those on the big screen.
But other than that, and like, you know, when it comes to HBO Max, like just going through
the Riddler scenes and seeing if seeing if I caught every single thing that he said.
Like, even when this comes out on 4K, I don't even know how long it will be till I actually
watch the movie.
Like, will I buy the steelbook if they make if they do do one, which I'm sure they will.
Hell, yeah, of course I'll buy that.
Like I'll preorder that shit because, you know, I got to have that in my collection.
But will I watch it anytime soon after it does come out?
Probably not.
Yeah, unfortunately.
It's just the fact that it's so long.
Yeah, it's like, you know, I know many people can make will make the argument.
Oh, yeah, but Endgame was through over three hours.
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like it.
It does not.
And I'm not saying the Batman didn't earn the right to be close to three hours, but
I feel Endgame did more.
It was the accumulation of over 10 years of films.
It honestly kind of needed to be three hours to fully wrap up that that storyline.
Agreed.
This one, it's like you said, it's not that it didn't deserve to be that long.
It it definitely earned it earns most of its time.
But just the fact that we can like.
Like I.
It OK, I'll say this.
It kept my attention throughout the entire movie.
OK.
There was a point where I thought that it was starting to wrap up and was like, OK,
it's like check the time and realize I still had like 40 minutes left.
What part was it?
Do you remember?
Um.
It was like right before they were they found Redler.
OK.
Funny.
Yeah.
So it was like right before then, like, oh, it was during like while they were talking
to the.
The cop.
Are like when Catwoman was like beating the shit out of the cop and she's just like, oh
yeah, like Falcone is my is my father and we need to go like.
And him and he like like when they were having that conversation, I'm like, OK, so they're
going to get to the point like soon where they find Redler Carmine's probably going
to die.
Like I was kind of just going through that.
I'm like, OK, it's it's like we're good for a little while.
And I checked the time and it was like because my movie started at noon.
And so I knew like about three hours like it'd be around three that it ended.
Yeah.
And I checked the time and it was like two eleven.
I was like, holy shit.
Like, so they're telling me that you pulled out your phone during the movie.
I can't my phone vibrated.
I just wanted to make sure it wasn't Brielle.
And so, yeah, I checked.
I checked.
I checked the time.
I checked.
I can't believe you know what was around.
Wait really?
Yeah, it was a matinee showing at noon on a Tuesday.
Oh yeah.
Damn.
Yeah, when I saw it fricking Saturday night, it was a whole house.
I mean, I loved it.
It was nice.
But oh my God, don't get me started about how many fricking people I saw on their phones
for more than 30 seconds during the movie.
Yeah, that is completely unacceptable.
So pissed off.
One was to my left and then one was all the way down by the fricking screen.
I was ready to have a fricking heyday.
Dude, there was some dude fricking narrating the entire movie.
What the fuck?
Not narrating is a strong word, but anytime.
The Batman directed by Mac McRee.
When they did the whole reveal of the Riddler and he calls himself the Riddler and there
was just some old senile dude in the corner that was like, the Riddler.
I looked over and I'm like, come on, dude.
And then later they were talking about the penguin and he's like, penguin?
Like Cobblepot?
There were so many people, there was a few people.
There wasn't that many people in my theater, but we kept looking over at him.
We're just like, come on, bro.
What the shit?
And then like, oh, and then when Carmine Falcone got shot, he's just like, oh, he dead.
And we're like, dude.
Dude.
Oh, dude, I would have been like, shut the fuck up, dude.
No joke.
This is just one of those scenarios where I'm just like, I can't wait for VR to take
over the world so I can just like not deal with people.
Dude, it's like, it's these people, why people don't like going to the movies anymore.
And I'm starting to get to that point because y'all are fricking ruining my favorite way
to escape this god awful world.
Sorry.
No, you're good.
But dude, it's true.
It's like people go to the movies to escape and you fricking ruin it.
Like you pull us out of the movie going experience and that's just like complete and utter bullshit.
Like even a guy did it when I saw Jackass forever.
He was on his phone constantly during the movie.
I'm just like, dude, like seriously, guys getting shot in the nuts or, you know, fricking
ran over or puking all day long.
That doesn't get like you knew what you came into this for.
Like you paid to be here, asshole.
So fricking watch them get the shit beat out of each other, the shit beat out of each other
and enjoy it.
Get off your fricking phone.
Yeah.
This is exactly why I will advocate for VR movie watching over going to the theater.
You know what?
I'm starting to like really get on your side and I never I mean, I've been on your side
because you know, like I have a VR headset, but I wasn't, you know, like completely there
yet because, you know, I just love the movie going experience.
It's something special, but I'm getting to the point where it's people just keep fricking
ruining it for me to where I don't really want to come back.
Yeah, dude.
I went on I jumped on big screen for a little bit the other day.
Yeah.
And went to a public room where they were watching.
Passengers.
Nice.
And there was some dude in in that in that room that came up and like was talking to
me or like attempting to talk to me.
And I just I went I like clicked on his character and like blocked him and he disappeared.
Oh, if only that could happen in real life.
Yeah.
Like that.
And what was great about it, too, is like there was enough people in there.
Like I could hear people talking, like making like little comments here and there, just
kind of like the BS that we we do when we watch movies.
Yeah.
So I kept them on.
But there was like this dude that was just getting in my face and he's like, hey, dude,
hey, hey.
And so I like blocked him and he disappeared.
Yeah.
If only that was real life.
Yeah, I know.
I'm like, you can't get that in real life.
Nope.
Like in real life, I'd have to knock that dude on his ass.
Anyway, with your adjusted score, the personal grade came to an eighty seven point five.
So the final or so that concludes this breakdown.
And the final Albrose letter grade for the Batman has come to a an A minus.
Oh, shit.
Hell, yeah.
That's that is genuinely surprising to me because with how I did not think it was going
to reach that because we were like in the low 90s for a lot of these categories.
And I thought the music and our personal grade were going to bring it down more.
Yeah, that's fair.
I would have thought the same.
Yeah.
So Sin had an A minus like that's that's really good.
I wasn't sure.
I'm happy it got there.
But I wasn't sure it was going to.
All right.
So it is sitting at a ninety one point six two percent.
Wow.
Yeah.
So let's see.
It is.
I do below first, right?
Or what?
Or what's above it?
Dude, I feel so bad.
I honestly can't remember.
OK, I'll just go up first.
OK.
All right.
So the Batman is sitting at a ninety one point six two percent.
And I will be comparing it to other A minus movies that we have scored.
So at a ninety one point six two, that puts it below Logan, which is at a ninety one point
eight one.
It puts it below Our Friend, which is at a ninety two point one two.
It is below Never Be Done, which is at a ninety two point two one.
Puts it below The Eternals, which is at a ninety two point two five.
Now we're going to get a lot of heat for that.
I don't totally disagree with it, though.
Oh, I don't either.
I enjoyed The Eternals more than the Batman.
I'll say it on my deathbed.
Yeah.
And then finally, it puts it below A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, which is at a ninety
two point three one.
Speaking of that movie, have you watched that movie since we like first saw it in theaters
and reviewed it?
Have you watched it again?
No.
Yeah, me neither.
I've wanted to recently.
I don't know why, because I want to see if it actually does still live up to what we
gave it.
Yeah, same here.
You might have to go back and watch that.
Yeah, we should watch that on big screen.
Oh, that'd be cool.
All right.
Going down.
We're going to catch some shit.
So it is above Coco, which is at a ninety one point four.
It is also above Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, which is at a ninety one point
two zero.
You know what?
I agree.
You said it's above that, right?
Above.
Yes.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I agree with that.
Let's see.
It's above Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which is at a ninety one point one.
OK.
It's above How to Train Your Dragon, The Hidden World, which is at a solid ninety one.
It's above Spider-Man Far From Home, the untrained I slash Krass and Taz updated score, which
is at a ninety point nine three.
And now a future episode will become round three of Krass and Taz and Untrained I's breakdown
of Spider-Man Far From Home.
Oh, wait.
I'm sorry.
Yes, it is still above Spider-Man Far From Home, but it's above the score that Untrained
I and Krass and Taz gave it on their own.
Oh, OK.
So that is like their own scores, like not our combined.
Oh.
OK.
Yeah, my bad.
No, you're good, man.
Still, I feel I feel that they're going to come back for round three, though, just to
push it higher than the bad.
Yeah.
At least they're lucky with that.
At least Vic will.
Well, that's what they tried doing this go around.
You know what?
Fair enough.
And then last one, it's above Tusk, which is adding ninety point seven nine.
So OK.
Honestly, I feel it has a decent home.
Like it's not above anything that I.
I like better.
It's not or it's not above anything that it doesn't deserve to be.
Honestly, I feel like the only argument you can make is.
Cocoa.
Yeah.
I would agree.
But I mean, like the margins are so freaking close.
Like it's not even funny.
Like you'd have to get.
Nine movies away before you're even a full percentage difference.
Wow.
Damn.
Like all the movies that I listed are within one percent of the Batman.
Wow.
Like the first movie that's a that's a full percentage above Batman.
Is in Canto.
Which and then so.
Yeah.
And then the first movie lower than a full percentage.
Or lower.
That's a full percentage lower.
Is Little Women.
Oh, I love that movie.
Right.
That movie is so good.
But yeah, it is like the margins are so freaking tight.
Like I forget how tight the margins are, like with an A minus.
So with an A minus there, it's literally a four percent window.
Because we go from a 90 percent to a 94 percent or a 93.99 percent.
So it's like the margins are super close.
So when I think this is this is why we came up with this system, because like we can categorize
these all day long and who we can say like objectively speaking, like what movies are
better than what and just knowing that they're so frigging close together.
Like this is between like the Batman and.
Yeah, the Batman's in between like our A minus movies.
Our number one A minus movie is War of the Planet of the Apes.
Hell yeah.
And our last movie.
Yeah, and our last A minus movie is The Matrix.
OK.
Like it's.
Like the margins are super close, like super freaking close.
The difference between The Matrix and Frickin' War of the Planet of the Apes is three percent.
Wow.
So yeah.
Not disagreeing with this in the slightest.
No, I'm not either.
Well anyway, I do believe that concludes this week's breakdown.
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Is this Pixar?
Yes, it is.
We'll be breaking down Pixar's Turning Red.
I know if I get it wrong, you're going to give me shit about it.
So it's better to ask.
I just found out today that the director of Turning Red is the same lady that directed
Do you remember that short Pixar film Bow?
No joke.
Yeah, with like the dumpling.
Oh, I love that short.
Yeah, that.
Yeah, this is her directing this movie.
Nice.
Yeah, that was freaking awesome.
And it's getting rave reviews.
So good.
Good.
I was so worried about this one being like bad.
I was too.
One of the best.
I've heard it's it's the horniest Pixar movie that.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
So this is going to be an interesting watch, but I can't wait to watch this.
Dude, hell yeah.
I'm so ready.
I'm so ready for this movie.
Freaking Friday, man.
March 11th.
Hell yeah.
I. Iris has a doctor's appointment that I'm I'm taking her to.
Yeah.
So me and her are probably going to watch it together.
I hope you both enjoy it.
I hope so, too.
But anyway, you guys can look forward to that next week.
But until then, this has been the All Bros podcast.
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And we'll catch you guys next time.
This is so long.
You know what I should have done it Herbert acting as Batman.
That's what I should have done.
Damn it.
I'm Batman.
No.
Yeah, that was a lot worse than I thought it was going to be.
Wow.
Yeah, that was something.