What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast, I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we are, I almost said welcomed, wow.
We are joined by, hate to say this Vic, our third host.
Ayyy.
I'm sorry.
Can we just make it official?
I've already crossed out on the shirt, I've crossed out the un, so it just says the official
third host.
I love it.
That's right, it's your favorite guest host on the East Coast.
It's DJ everybody.
So yeah, so once again DJ is joining us on this week's episode.
And yeah, it's gonna be a fun one.
I think I already bypassed what we usually always say with the, you know, we're aspiring
filmmakers that love to watch and critique movies but also enjoy a lot of the nerd life.
There it is.
But anyway.
If you honestly could have skipped it, this go around.
I feel I should have but you know what, whatever.
Might as well just add it in now.
But anyway, so for this week's episode, we got one title to talk about with 4K Spotlight.
We got nothing for Through the Wall.
And then after that we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening, which will be
our All Bros and I'm gonna say Crash and Taz, wow.
Hey you know.
Wow.
I know, I'm sorry.
Listen, if you're gonna be compared to someone, be compared to greatness.
That's all I'm saying, you know, Crash and Taz, they're some great dudes.
We will be doing an All Bros and Untrained Eye breakdown of Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
I mean listen, when I saw Sonic 2 today, there was a trailer for Across the Spider-Verse
or whatever, part one.
Part one really, but I feel like Vic will be with us here in spirit today just because
I saw that Spider-Man trailer.
That's fair.
Whenever the word Spider-Man is brought up, he's here.
Always.
But anyway, what do you say we guys get, oh my freaking hell.
What do you say we guys get, oh my good lord.
Rose.
We'll just do it.
What do you two say we get started?
I'd say it's just to Andy.
Aw, shit I forgot who we did last week.
Ben blue is really slow, fast, I can't remember her.
It's the pitch down one.
Hey everybody, it's me.
You want help getting off the couch? Angry Dad podcast.
You need a verbal kick in the ass? Angry Dad podcast.
You want to hear from somebody who's been through it all? Angry Dad podcast.
I am here for you. You can find me on all podcast platforms.
I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything.
But you just did though. Everything is perfectly normal, Rose.
You are the one saying things right now. I don't know what you're talking about.
Everything sounded the exact right speed. Go listen to the Angry Dad. We love Ben.
Dude, I love his show so much.
By the way, I would like to say I forgot even to say it to him.
When he was on here, he acknowledged me as the one and only third host of the show.
And I would just like to say thank you, Ben, for recognizing my status
on the All Brothers podcast.
Well, Vic, if Angry Dad says it's your if he says DJ is the third host,
then I'm sorry. I guess it's official.
I mean, listen, Vic strikes me as a Wolverine-esque character
where, like, you know, most people would look at Ben and go, no, thank you.
Where Vic would be like, I do like a challenge and just run right up his leg.
Here we go.
Uh, I think in that situation would be more like Scrappy Doo, just
why are you on a way way too much confidence in such a small frame?
Why does everyone have to make fun of Scrappy Doo?
Because the movie rose because the movie
he wasn't that bad in the first show he was in.
Yeah, but we're not talking about too much.
OK, we're not talking about the show.
We're talking about the movie where he was terrible and no one liked him.
Did you guys hear like the story behind that?
Like what Hannah Barbera said with Scrappy Doo with the first Scooby Doo movie?
But didn't he like hate Scrappy?
So, yeah. So Hannah Barbera.
So, yeah, Hannah Barbera, the two creators.
I mean, they created him, but yeah, then they hated him.
But basically, Roger Gosnell, the director of Scooby Doo,
wanted Scrappy Doo in it, but he didn't want to like make him a villain.
He actually wanted him to be a part of Mystery Inc.
But Hannah Barbera, they were just like, yeah, the only way we're letting you put
the only way that we are letting you put Scrappy Doo in the movies
if you make him a villain. That's amazing.
Also a terrible idea.
Which, you know, hindsight's 20, 20 or whatever.
But come on like this, like what we're about to talk about today.
Like, I know I didn't get to talk about the first one with you guys,
but I feel like I saw something someone talking about Sonic about like,
when does it happen that all the things happen the way they did for Sonic?
The trailer was released.
It was hated universally by young and old.
The movie was pushed back so that the studio that by all right
should have told all the fans to go straight to hell.
And then like, we made this movie.
It took a lot of time and money.
So you're going to watch the movie we give you.
But instead, they were like, we're going to go ahead and try
and walk this back a little bit.
They did it.
But then the movie was successful and successful enough to get a second one.
Like, that's not as is not normal.
I've started to tell you that story for a reason, and I forgot it halfway through,
but I was really just chugging along.
I was wondering, I'm like, I'm just tying to Scrappy.
He was getting there.
Just, you know, he never got there.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like it's oh, that's what I was going to say.
You can't sometimes you have to listen to the people, you know.
Sonic is a great example of that.
And now Scrappy is the sad, good example of that where don't don't do that.
Don't do that thing you did.
And I feel like we're going to get some.
I feel like I'm going to hear something from Vic when we hear
is that we compared him to Scrappy do.
You guys did.
I was very complimentary to Vic and you all decided to tear him down.
But I would just like to say that DJ loves Vic.
Cannot wait for the next All Bros take over.
Where we do Scooby Doo the movie.
They call him saying is I love Scrappy do.
I feel I'm one of the few that actually does.
Yeah, but I mean, could you imagine that fight though?
Like between I forget how tall Vic is, like it's like five four, I think.
Yeah. And really, he's only that tall.
Yeah. So Vic is five four and Ben is six five.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, that fight would just be.
Well, listen, I'm five three.
So I will just I will let Vic hop on my shoulders and we'll just run right at him.
And I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like,
uh. Because combined to to All Bros side hosts are one Ben Bullman.
Oh, God, I love it.
Hey, that's a fight that I would pay like extreme amounts of money on pay per view
to watch. I mean, it's a fight that if I was a part of, I'd have to get paid
extreme to do it because I'm not winning. So try as I might.
And I will, by the way, I will bite.
I will cheat. I will call in favors, all of it, and I'll still lose.
Oh, he ain't holding anything back.
Uh huh. Oh, shit.
Oh, man. Anyway, getting into 4K spotlight.
Sorry, guys.
Don't apologize, man. You're good.
So this week, there's only one that we want to talk about because the other one was Moonfall
and literally none of us have seen it.
But if you guys have seen it and enjoyed it, it's coming to 4K and Blu-ray as well as a
Best Buy exclusive steelbook.
So if you guys want to get that by all means.
But the other title that's releasing is Singing in the Rain on 4K that will also be coming
with a Best Buy exclusive steelbook.
But what is very confusing or what is confusing me is that it's still not up for preorder.
It says it's a Best Buy exclusive.
And when you go to click preorder on like the Blu-ray.com website, it takes you to the
Singing in the Rain box set that they're doing as well.
But it says, you know, currently unavailable.
We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock.
So I'm like very confused and if I can't get this steelbook, I'm going to be very sad.
Not going to lie.
Dude, Best Buy needs to get their shit together.
Yeah, dude, I don't know if you guys like pay attention to like the Blu-ray world, but
I know a lot of people were mad last Tuesday or this like when Spider-Man No Way Home came
out, because literally unless you preordered the steelbook, literally right when the movie
came out, because that's when it went out, the preorder went live back in December, you
didn't get one.
The preorders were sold out for months.
It kept saying coming soon.
And then on release date said sold out.
God.
Yeah.
That is hilarious.
It's been sold out since December.
But that's the thing.
Like, listen, on normally, I would say, yeah, that's messed up.
But with something like that, like, I'm sorry, like, especially if you are like you Rose
and you are a steelbook collector and then you understand what is about to happen with
No Way Home.
Like you're.
Oh, we lost DJ.
So as I was saying, very valid poignant point that everyone thought was really good.
Let's transition into what we're talking about now, which is the next thing, Rose.
I have no idea what I was saying.
It was pretty I felt pretty good about myself.
Whatever I was saying, like I was very much about to sit back in my chair and fold my
arms like what a great point I'm making.
And then I saw your eyes.
I saw your eyes get as big as I've ever seen two eyeballs get in a human being that's not
dying.
And I saw you go completely white like you just disappeared.
While you were figuring this out, I actually went back and listened to what you said and
wrote it down.
You were saying that you are since it's been or No Way Home has been sold out since December.
And you said, you know that that's messed up on or telling Rose that you understand
or him understanding what's going to happen with No Way Home.
And then you got cut off.
Man, I think that was I think I had like that was the perfect I think the Internet knew
it was like you made the most baller point end of sentence.
We're just turning off your whole computer.
By the way, can I just say I had to turn my computer all the way off.
And do you know what it said to me?
Hey, you ready for the update?
And I was like, no.
And thankfully, it was a quick one because I really thought I was going to have to call
you and be like, well, it's a good start.
Finish it tomorrow.
Or not.
Maybe I'll just be like, guys, you finish it without me.
I'll just write in what I thought.
Now we've gone too much to not break this movie down.
For sure.
Yeah, so everyone goes to sing in the rain, go see No Way Home.
Let's do it.
Speaking of for you, DJ, it is this one's voodoo.
Which one?
Oh, No Way Home, huh?
Well, I went and did a movie dump the other day.
And so there's a few.
That sounds like something you do when you put it too much popcorn.
You're like, oh, God, I got a refill and I shouldn't have.
It's movie dump time.
Yeah, I heard it as soon as it was coming out my mouth.
You hope your friends wouldn't point it out, but only your true friends would.
Am I?
By the way, before we get into that, though, I would want to say, Rose, I am enjoying the
Gacy Gazette.
I think everyone should go and listen to it if they're not.
Dude, the Gacy Gazette is both episodes are in our top five and I'm pretty sure episode
two is our number one downloaded.
So there you go.
I'm I'm recommending nothing then.
So don't listen to me, you're already doing it.
I'm reworking some stuff.
So hopefully episode three is a lot more enjoyable than the last two.
Listen, don't the only I don't want to say anything, but this is one thing I will say.
Don't apologize.
Don't apologize to the people when you're like, hey, I'm sorry if it sounds like anything.
No, they if they're coming here for the Gacy Gazette, they're not like no one's surprised
and no one's like, oh my God, I can't believe he's talking about such foul acts.
Well, fair enough.
You mean this episode about John Wayne Gacy was about John Wayne Gacy?
Don't get me wrong.
I get the idea of like giving someone like a heads up like, hey, remember how this is
movies normally?
Well, this is going to be a little different.
Prepare for some real stuff to happen.
But don't don't apologize.
You're great.
Well, thank you.
Show over Sonic 2 is great.
We loved it.
Speaking of Gacy, did you see that thing I posted on Instagram?
And then did you see what Caleb's wife Brielle comments?
No, because I think I saw it like right as you posted it.
She's just like, do I even want to know how much you spent on that?
And I said, no, not really.
Oh my God.
I didn't even think of that.
You know what's funny?
I didn't even think of that.
Can you give us like a rough estimate of what your entire collection?
The cost is or is that too personal a question?
If it is, that's perfectly fine.
Well, considering, you know, most literally everything has come from Etsy when it comes
to my John Wayne Gacy collection.
Or as my buddy calls it, my John Wayne Gacy shrine.
But are you talking when you say your buddy, you mean us all?
Another buddy.
We the people that know and love you, Rose, like roses shrine to a fun guy he is into.
You know, honestly, it's probably don't hate me, but it's probably over $700.
That's not bad.
Honestly, I thought you were going to listen.
I know how much like people want to overcharge for memorabilia stuff.
So I truly was expecting you to say somewhere in the like 2500 to three grand range.
So I think you're doing pretty good.
Okay.
Like I was telling Caleb that that autograph, like honestly, it was something that I've
been saving up for a quite a while because it was something that like I would hope I
would maybe find for a decent deal.
And when I saw that, I'm like, yeah, I'm sorry, I have to.
I'm sure I've mentioned this to you before even on the show.
But that was like my thing.
When I found out when I was a kid that if you wrote to Charles Manson, he would like
wrote everybody back.
I was like, I'm sorry, why do we not all write this guy and have like something that he wrote
this crazy person and you can just have it.
He'll just send it to you.
What?
And I never did.
And that was it's funny because when he died, I was like, it's it was one of those things
that I was like, I had legitimate regret regret about because I was like, I should have sent
him a letter and tried to get one back.
It's too late now.
I just can't believe that Gacy signs some of his mugshots.
That's like one thing that I wouldn't expect him to sign.
Like that's just showing that even though you say you weren't guilty, you were absolutely
guilty.
If you're one of the signers, he might not have been guilty, but he was famous.
So sorry, Gacy Gazette, everybody, you might have heard of it.
It's on this feed.
Yeah.
Can find out how much more weirder I am.
Spoiler alert.
Not much.
I'm sorry, Rose.
Pretty upfront guy.
Good, good, good.
Anyway, moving on.
Well, you know, what do you say we guys jump into?
Oh, my good Lord, I cannot frickin talk today.
What do you say we got?
Oh, my frickin good.
What do you say we got?
We jump into the headliner of this this evening.
Good Lord, Jonathan.
Hey, Rose.
Take a take a breath.
Hey, guys, what do you say we get into this here movie?
Thank you, DJ.
Let's do it.
All right.
So, we're going to start with a little bit of a
break.
For this week's Albrose headliner, sorry, Albrose and untrained eye.
Crash and Taz.
No, Crash and Taz.
I almost said it.
I corrected myself.
Vic, you were always with us.
For this week's headliner, the three of us will be breaking down Sonic the Hedgehog 2.
So Caleb, would you like to tell everybody how we break down movies on this podcast if
they don't know already?
Yes, I would.
We have split movies into eight different categories that we individually score to come
to a final Albrose and untrained eye letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal grade at the very end.
All those numbers get magically added up, thrown into our algorithm, and spit out a
letter grade for us to score.
It gives this movie a letter grade, which we use to compare to all the other movies
that we've discussed.
It's beautiful.
I'm sorry.
It's because I talk so much.
I just make everybody else forget how to talk.
Whenever I'm around, I just suck up all the words.
It doesn't help that I had a really long work day.
Or that there were technical difficulties on your guests' end.
Dude, I'm so not used to recording on a weekend that I honestly forgot that you worked today.
Yeah, I know, right?
That's why we appreciate the Albrothers.
They do anything.
Even coalesce to a guest who is like, I'll be there, and then is like, I can't, so we'll
do it the next week.
Hey, let us try something brand new, which was actually a lot of fun.
Yeah.
I am very excited.
If you do listen to it and follow along, because we have it so you have to watch the movie
while you listen to it.
Otherwise, the stuff we talk about just makes zero sense.
I would say also though, you could probably, if you're a normal podcast listener, which
again, this is talking after the fact because it's already happened.
I'm pretty sure, because I just watched the first Sonic for the first time the day before
I watched Sonic 2.
I'm pretty sure it's still fresh enough in my mind that I could listen to you guys talk
about it and remember what was happening.
That's my endorsement of a show I haven't heard yet.
Well, there's a lot of, oh, that was a funny line, and then we not talking about what that
line was at all.
Oh yeah, we did do that.
Yeah, there was a lot of that, like, oh, that was a funny bit, and then we talk about that
bit for a minute, not really referencing anything about the bit.
So unless you have a photographic memory and know exactly when this stuff is, it might
be a little difficult, but we're open to feedback about it.
Remind me about something after the show about this.
I want to talk to you about something.
Anyway, super cryptic, Sonic 2, everybody.
Yeah, so if you have not seen Sonic 2, Rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you,
so please do yourself a favor and go check out this movie before listening to this breakdown.
Because this is how you do a sequel, right?
Oh my gosh.
I said that on the way home.
I was like, how rare is it for a sequel?
Oh, whatever.
Spoilers.
Sorry, go ahead.
All right.
Several months after defeating Dr. Robotnik and being adopted by Tom and Maddie Wachowski
as their son, Sonic the Hedgehog attempts to help the public as a vigilante to little
success.
Tom advises Sonic to remain patient for the day his powers will be needed before he and
Maddie depart for her sister Rachel's wedding in Hawaii.
Sonic plans to have fun while home alone, but is attacked by Robotnik, who has returned
with the help of Knuckles the Echidna.
Knuckles desires to honor the legacy of his extinct tribe and demands the location of
the legendary Master Emerald, an ancient relic that allows its possessor to bend reality
to their will.
Sonic is rescued by Miles Tales Prower, a two-tailed fox who idolizes him and came to
warn him about Knuckles.
Sonic convinces Tails to help him find the Master Emerald while Robotnik reunites with
his assistant Stone and, scheming to steal the Emerald for himself, offers to help Knuckles.
Robotnik and Tails follow clues on a map from Sonic's deceased guardian Longclaw to Siberia
where they find a compass with an old temple.
Robotnik and Knuckles track them and pursue Sonic and Tails down a mountain.
During an ensuing avalanche, Robotnik and Knuckles steal the compass.
Tom rescues Sonic and Tails by using a ring to teleport them to the wedding.
Rachel's fiance Randall and his wedding guests reveal themselves as undercover agents of
the Guardian Units of Nations, aka GUN, and capture Sonic, Tails, and Tom.
I rate with the truth about Randall.
Wait, I'm sorry, I butchered that.
Okay, so they capture Sonic, Tails, and Tom.
I rate with the truth about Randall.
Rachel works with Maddie to rescue them while Robotnik and Knuckles find an underwater temple
containing the Master Emerald.
Sonic goes to the temple and fights Knuckles, but Robotnik steals the Emerald and leaves
Knuckles to die with Sonic as the temple collapses.
Sonic and Knuckles escape and agree to work together as Tails rescues them in a biplane.
Robotnik absorbs the Master Emerald and becomes omnipotent.
In Green Hills, Robotnik destroys GUN's forces and creates a giant robot resembling himself.
Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles work together to fight the robot and reclaim the Master Emerald.
But it shatters, releasing the seven Chaos Emeralds.
Tom and Maddie rescue Sonic, who uses the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Sonic.
He destroys the robot before dispersing the Emeralds and reverting back to normal.
Knuckles restores the Master Emerald from the remaining shards and agrees to safeguard
it with Sonic and Tails.
The three resume an idyllic life with the Wachowskis.
Robotnik infiltrates GUN as it begins searching for Robotnik's body in the Mechs' rubble.
An agent reports to GUN Commander Walters that a 50-year-old file containing coordinates
to a research facility which houses Project Shadow has been uncovered.
Here's one question I have right up top for both of you.
So what do you think the whole Jim Carrey stitch is going to be in Sonic 3 as far as
Robotnik goes?
Because as far as we know, he just quote unquote retired, right?
The way that I've seen it, I know that they said if he is officially done, then they won't
include Eggman in the third one because no one else can play Eggman in their movies to
these directors.
But I don't know, I feel if they have a good enough script, then Jim Carrey would want
to come back to play Eggman in the third one because he has actually said that he wants
to wear the fat suit.
They wouldn't let him for Sonic 2.
It's like let the man do it.
He wants to be like the OG original Eggman.
Let him do it.
And by the way, if you noticed when Stone, when he converted the Mean Bean into the Robotnik
headquarters, when Wade was like near the end, when Wade was like looking in on him
and he was like scrolling through like the different suits, one of the suits was like
fat suit Robotnik.
So it was like, it was, I feel like they put it there to be like, eh, but no.
That's a mean tease.
There was also one of him in like a ballerina outfit, which I thought was hilarious.
My thoughts, if they don't include Robotnik, I am totally fine with Shadow being the villain.
The only problem I have with that is, I don't, it's hard to, especially with just introducing
Shadow now, like you have no knowledge of Shadow.
It's very hard to do Shadow without acknowledging or bringing in Eggman because Shadow.
Well, you got to think Eggman, Robotnik had nothing to do with the Shadow project as far
as we're aware.
Oh, I know.
Yeah, that's true.
But just, I don't know in the comics, not comics.
Oh my God.
I was going to say, um.
I mean, I'm sure there's Sonic comics, but there are video games.
Just from what I've seen in the video games, Shadow was always associated with Dr. Eggman
when it comes to bringing him in.
I mean, listen, my nephew, I think he had like the, probably the solution that will
happen because after we got out of the movie, I asked him and he was like, uh, he was like,
they'll probably just have that, uh, his, his like sidekick, like take over the mantle
of Robotnik and maybe not be Robotnik, but just take over that, that space because since
he was such a fan boy of him the whole time and kind of knows that tech anyway.
Uh, so that might be the, the like fill in if Jim Carrey doesn't come back.
That yeah, I can definitely see that happening.
I don't hate that guy, but I mean, spoiler alert for the acting section of this, like
Jim Carrey was like, again, he did so great.
Like I couldn't imagine someone else even coming.
Listen, they got the only Jim Carrey to another actor that's worked.
Okay.
We saw when they tried to do it with Jamie Kennedy in the mask.
Uh, we saw when they tried to go back in time with, uh, what was it?
Uh, Dumb and Dumber, the two Dumb and Dumber guys.
Yeah.
Um, but the only one who you're talking about, the only one that's worked is Jim Carrey to
Neil Patrick Harris, uh, with count Olaf.
Like that's the only person that has been able to take up a Jim Carrey role and make
it as good or better.
So I don't foresee anyone doing that for like the weirdly like, uh, loud side part of Dr.
Robotnik.
Yeah.
I, I really hope that he comes back to, to play Robotnik, but if they wanted to move
on from Robotnik, I'll be a little bit bummed out, but I have faith that they can, they
can make it happen.
Like this, these two movies have made me believe that this crew knows what they're doing.
Yeah, even though again, like they clearly didn't know what they were doing at first.
I mean, clearly the stories were always there, but again, with, with how Sonic, how he was
supposed to look at first, like again, I saw recently like side by sides of what he was
supposed to be and what he ended up being.
And it's wild that it got all the way as far as it did.
And everybody was like, yep, we did a great job.
Dude, I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they were designing that they're
just like, Oh, we're going with a realistic Sonic the Hedgehog.
How about no?
I mean, he's got five fingers, bro.
What are we talking about here?
The realistic version stands up and speaks.
Yeah.
Like I remember saying this in our breakdown of the first one.
There were definitely times where I felt you could tell when they had, when they replaced
it with the new model, because the old model, like if they were going with that realistic
route, he wasn't as lively as he usually is with like some other scenes.
Like there were times where he felt very like bland and like slow and all that.
And so now like with this movie, the entire time he is like that lively, cartoony running
around moving motion and it felt so much better.
Yeah, I don't know.
Like as far as like, I think because like I said, I just watched the first one as well.
I like the story in this one a lot better only because not that I necessarily think
it was a better story.
But I think that the first one was like, it seemed like they had to chop out like whole
entire sections to be like, listen, we just, there's nothing we can do here to like redo
this animation because it would go from like being day to night and they would like barely
know each other to like being best buds.
And it was like, all right, listen, like this is a good movie, so I'm going to put up with
this, but this is kind of nonsense.
Like what you're doing right now, like you're making such big leaps between I found an alien
hedgehog under my table to, Hey, we're best buds.
Let's get into a bar fight.
Like that doesn't happen in like the five hours you were supposed to be on the road
guy.
But yeah, but, but then you go to this movie and like there was stuff that I thought was
kind of like, uh, where they may have gone like a little too far off the road, the beaten
path of what Sonic was, or this movie was supposed to be, I E the whole, uh, the wedding
in Hawaii where everyone was like a secret double agent the whole time.
I was like, hell.
I was like, really?
I was like, this movie has been this good up to now.
And this was your, this was the big turn, huh?
Okay.
Uh, I, that is honestly the biggest thing that I'm that docked my score for me too.
Like you could cut that whole scene out and have still have a solid movie.
Listen, here's what tears me about that is I completely agree with that.
I couldn't agree more with something anyone ever said, but on the other hand, I almost
feel like stuff like that was supposed to be makeup for stuff that had to get cut out
of the first movie because it seemed to again, like follow along a lot with the, his wife
and her sister, cause they clearly like had almost zero part in that first movie except
to just be like a quick foils.
And they're like, all right, gotta go have Sonic adventures now.
So yeah.
Um, so they got to have like a portion of the movie that was theirs and it was not,
it was nonsensical, but it wasn't bad.
Like it was funny.
Um, and it made enough sense because they're like, well, the things are trapped.
They got to untrap them.
How are we going to get them out of here and it not be another like, Hey, I'm going to
punch her fiance in the face and steal her wedding ring, uh, situation like, Hey, we're
all double agents.
Like this is a video game movie.
Like that is something that would happen in a video game where suddenly everyone will
be like, ha ha, we were all FBI agents.
And catfish was in full effect the whole time.
Dude, that was, that pulled me out of the movie so bad.
I'm like, so your whole mission, your whole catfish mission was banking on Sonic ruining
this wedding.
That's what's crazy about it.
Like it's so crazy.
It's like, I am willing to go along with it because again, of the kind of movie it is
in the same way that like you go along with stuff that happens in Marvel movies.
Cause you're like, well, of course he found out he could fly right now.
It's convenient, but also we knew he was going to fly eventually.
Uh, and it's the same thing with that where it's like, it is like a lot of video game
logic because really if we were going to pick it apart for silly logic, like, okay, like,
yes, they had the air bubble that you could suck in the game, but would that really work
in real life to give you enough energy to lift up a pillar off of your buddy knuckles?
No, but was it amazing to see?
And I didn't expect it at all.
And he sucked that air bubble and I almost stood up out of my chair and cheered.
Yeah.
Also you have the weird thing, the weird, okay, listen, I'm sorry.
The weirdest part of the wedding scene by far was his ringtone, like dad's ringtone,
whatever the guy's name was, his ringtone was the, the video game theme music.
And you're like, what world is this?
Like, where did he get that from?
What is that from?
Do they have Sonic in this world or does someone just make some dope eight bit music and that's
what he's super into.
The guy from middle of Alabama or wherever he's from is from, is super into eight bit
music?
No.
Like what?
Well, you kind of got to think like they did the same thing with Spider-Man in Amazing
Spider-Man 2.
Right.
That's true at the beginning.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, he had a Spider-Man ringtone, like, come on.
Well, I mean, listen.
That's just one of those things like you get, you have to let go.
No, believe me, I get it.
Like what was it in Iron Man?
I think it was the first Iron Man.
Yeah.
It was when the first roadie was there.
Like his, his cell phone ring was like the original Iron Man TV theme song, whatever
from like the 19, whatever it was.
So like, I get it.
But also like that was so on the nose of like, it was just a one for one.
It wasn't like an interpretation.
It wasn't like someone's like, I had this idea for a song, but I'll just make it a ringtone
instead.
It was just the video game music.
Yeah.
That, that on that didn't affect my, my, my score at all.
I loved every fricking second of that.
I was said that didn't affect it.
I'm just saying as far as that scene went, that to me was the craziest thing that happened.
All of them being like, we were all FBI the whole time.
Not crazy.
That guy just being like, I just really liked this eight bit.
It's just amazing.
It's amazing music.
You would think that I love country.
What is it?
Florida, Georgia line.
No, I love eight bit music.
All I do is listen to video game soundtracks and also I'm the sheriff.
I feel the one thing that would probably make me eye roll is if his ringtone was the song
from the, the, the, the ending song from the first one, the speed me up.
I've been like, Oh God, it should have been gotta go fast from the, uh, the cartoon or
what about supersonic racing?
Dude, there are so many, uh, I love this movie.
Can I just tell you a spoiler?
I love this movie.
Like this movie and especially double featuring it with the first one, like this, the store.
Okay.
We've got past the wedding.
Everything else in this movie was so good.
Like him, like having his, the movie starting almost like, uh, you guys have seen back to
the future, right?
No.
So you, do you say no?
Yeah, I've never seen back to the future.
Dude.
All right.
Cool.
You start this show by saying a couple of aspiring filmmakers.
What are you aspiring to?
Hey, in my defense, Caleb hasn't seen singing in the rain.
I feel like I can get like somewhat of a pass here.
You cannot, you absolutely cannot.
Back to the future.
Listen to me, sir.
That movie is from 1952.
Okay.
What are you even saying?
Christopher Lloyd, Michael J Fox, they, what?
Listen, it's fine.
I'm not upset about it.
All I'm saying is singing in the rain is the epitome of musical in the, in the movie industry.
So the fact that Caleb hasn't seen that, I can't believe.
So I don't disagree with you.
Are you an aspiring filmmaker to make musicals?
I would love to make a musical, honestly.
You're a liar.
Anyway, uh, mute his microphone.
This is the DJ and Caleb show now.
Oh wow.
I feel like every once in a while we get these things that we haven't seen that make us lose
so much credibility.
I am a bit flabbergasted.
Like to not see the second and third one, that would still be a tragedy, but I could
understand if you were like, I saw the first one.
I get it.
They fricking drive a car in space or whatever, but to not even see the first one.
To know what?
Okay.
It's fine.
See, the sad thing is I own it.
I own the 4k, a steelbook set.
Still haven't opened it.
What the hell?
Please.
Like, I'm asking you, you don't have to watch them all.
Just watch the first one.
Just please make that the next thing you do.
You don't have to watch Moon Knight.
You don't have to watch The Mandalorian.
You don't have to watch anything else.
Just watch the one.
I've honestly kind of given up on The Mandalorian, so I wasn't going to.
You know what?
I'm sorry.
You didn't even give it a shot.
I watched the first season.
Because I sat there and watched it with you.
Hold on.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Stop.
You watched the entire first season and your reaction to that was, I just gave up?
That was...
I mean, I don't know.
It's good, but see, I'm one of the rare people that loves the sequel trilogy.
I hate the Last Jedi, but I love The Force Awakens and The Rise of Skywalker.
I don't know.
Them going with old Star Wars with The Mandalorian.
I don't know if the Book of Boba Fett is the same thing.
I don't know.
I'm not that interested in them.
I don't know what it is.
Dude.
You know what?
Don't watch Back to the Future.
We're all different, Caleb.
No, no, no.
Yes, but listen.
Don't watch Back to the Future.
Now I don't want you to watch it.
You don't deserve it.
Ouch.
Wow.
Send Caleb your steel book.
You don't deserve it.
Hell, he'd probably throw it away and just keep the digital code.
I'm kidding.
I know you wouldn't do that.
What were we even saying?
I hope you wouldn't.
We were talking about Sonic the Hedgehog and then Rose hit us with the freaking not watching
Back to the Future bomb.
That was a bomb enough, but then to like...
Guys, I need...
You know what?
I'm just as disappointed.
I liked Sonic.
Click.
The show is over.
I don't even remember the point I was making.
I didn't want to talk about the movie either with you guys.
We were talking about the story.
God dang it, Rose.
Why would you say something like that?
You just say yes in those moments.
You asked.
I wasn't going to lie.
Just lie, man.
Just lie.
What if he asks me a serious question about the movie?
I wasn't going to pick until they answer it.
Then you say it's been a long time.
You're at the age where you could say, I watched it when I was a kid, and people would go,
yeah, maybe they'd go, you should watch it again.
It was great.
And you can go, oh man, Delorean's, man.
Isn't that crazy?
And then that's it.
Son of a bitch.
Just lie.
So I don't know where we go from here, fellas.
Sonic 2, man.
I'm bummed out.
No, the story of Sonic 2.
Oh, so the reason I brought it back to the future is because the first one starts with
the Rube Goldberg machine, which is what happened in Sonic 2, which is the, you know, everything
happening, the mushrooms going around.
So it makes this terrible mushroom coffee tea thing or whatever it was.
And I don't know.
I loved it.
I loved that I immediately thought of Rose's favorite movie, Back to the Future, and that
it was Jim Carrey.
And yeah, it was a good movie.
I quit.
All right.
Well, if anyone actually does want to know my favorite movie, it's Ghostbusters.
I'm sure everyone knew that, but I just want to put that out there.
Oh, yeah.
Tell me something about Ghostbusters.
What did they use to bust ghosts?
Liar.
I mean, a proton pack.
But if we really want to get specific, a Neutrona wand.
Okay.
All right.
You might have seen this movie.
No, the story was good.
Everything made sense.
The thing that I liked, I will inevitably get this a higher story grade than I would
have given to the first movie is that like this one seemed to flow a lot smoother.
Even the wedding scene notwithstanding, like it was still like a much more the first one
felt super janky.
Like stuff would just kind of be like just you would jerk into a scene like it would
be no easing into it, where this one definitely kind of like everything kind of paid off by
the end that they brought up.
Yeah.
I.
Seriously, the only thing that ruined this for me was the wedding scene.
Like when the wedding scene was happening, I'm like, dude, just get this over with.
Like I do not care about this, this sister and her fake husband.
Like I don't need this in my life.
See, I actually like the sister.
I love her as a character, but yeah, I didn't give a shit about her boyfriend or husband,
whatever.
Yeah.
Like get back to the people we came to see Sonic and Tails.
Yeah.
By the way, that's what I was thinking the whole time as I was like, man, it sure has
been a long time since I have seen an animated character in this animated character movie.
Give me some CGI, God damn it.
Yeah.
I mean, like I didn't come here to see the fricking trials and tribulations of Tom and
Rebecca or whatever the lady's name was like fricking let's go already.
You were close.
It's Rachel.
Was it Rachel?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Rachel and Ronald or whatever his name was.
Randall.
Whatever.
A cop name.
You're so close.
Rachel and the cop.
There we go.
Yeah, there we go.
But yeah, other than that, everything was awesome.
Like if you just cut that part out and do just a quick rescue scene with Tom, like if
you were just to replace the whole wedding scene with a quick rescue scene from Tom,
I would have been perfectly happy with everything else in the movie.
Like they're just on the beach drinking the Mai Tais and that's when he gets the FaceTime
call and he's like, I need you bud.
He's like, okey dokey and throws it out into the ocean and then they just, there you go.
Yeah.
Something like that.
And just, what also threw me is how the hell did he screw up the rings?
I mean we all knew right?
Like as soon as he took the one ring, we're like, well for sure he's not going to put
the right ring back.
There's no way he will.
I feel I'm so bad at that kind of shit because I didn't see that.
Well because the kid came up out and up on that stuff.
The kid came up out of nowhere.
She was just like, hello, I'm here holding this pillow with rings on it.
You know, the thousands, the tens of thousands of dollars worth of rings.
I just have them on this pillow.
I'm just walking around with them.
I was in the first movie so they gotta put me in this movie.
They gotta work me into the sequel somehow.
Listen to me, if they didn't put her in that movie, I would have walked out.
You do not take the person that gave Sonic his shoes and just toss them to the side.
You put that movie, you put that person in the movie, you might even make her a bigger
part than she was.
Dude, that's what the rescue scene should have been.
It should have been Tom and her going on the rescue mission for Sonic and Tails.
Dude, when she gave him those shoes in that first movie, I was like, I didn't I was didn't
see it coming.
I was like, oh, I love this kid.
Oh, this is great.
This is a great scene.
I don't know why these shoes wouldn't also wear out into nothing, but whatever.
It's fine there.
I think they eventually do.
It's just he had those other pairs of shoes for so long.
I think that was the problem.
I don't think it was he was just running through shoes like.
Like crazy, but I mean, what do I know?
I was gonna say, if that's the thing we're going to dissect about these movies, then
this is going to be a long podcast.
Caleb, according to my buddy, J.C., when he listened to our number one, we came up with
our own idea for a sequel to Sonic the Hedgehog.
Oh, yes.
Tails got because he like he actually knows quite a bit about the Sonic lore.
He was just eye rolling.
He's like, oh, my God, you guys don't know anything about Sonic, do you?
No, no.
That's the only episode he's ever listened to.
Oh, man.
He's like, yeah, no, not anymore.
I'm like, oh, OK.
Oh, that was a horrible one.
Yeah, seriously.
Whatever.
Dude, but freaking getting into Knuckles, his intro was the shit.
It was awesome.
And I was like, wait, is he going to be huge?
Because when they showed him for a second coming through that ring, I was like, is he
going to be people sized?
Like what is happening right now?
I was hoping that he wasn't going to be Sonic Boom sized.
I hate how he looks inside them.
Here is one thing, though, that I thought was weird about the Knuckles arc is what happened
in those 10 years between when Sonic was sent to Earth and when Knuckles became the last
of his kind, because they didn't seem to be like fighting for their lives.
They just seemed to be like at war.
You know what I mean?
Which I know is a stupid thing to say, as I hear myself say it.
I'm like, they're not fighting for their lives.
They're at war, you know, when you're not fighting for your life.
But what I mean is like it seemed more like a tribal, just a tribe.
I don't know.
I don't know how it didn't seem like a life or death thing because of how they came up
on Long Nail or whatever that bird's name was in the first one and killed her.
And then all of a sudden we go from that to I'm the last of my kind.
Like, bro, what happened?
Like what kind of crazy owl?
What are they called?
I can't think of their what their species now and the kid's a kid now.
Why couldn't I say it?
Yeah.
I mean, mass echidna slaughters just all throughout Ringland, because I don't know.
I think there was, wasn't there?
That's kind of what he made it out to seem like, that they went after Long Claw and then
after.
Yeah.
And then after she was killed, I think it just became like a big old battle between
the echidnas and owls and the owls just frickin like decimated.
Yeah.
And so the last one.
Yeah.
Because he was he was one fight.
Yeah.
But his dad held him back.
Well because he looked to be like Sonic's age.
Well, you know what I mean?
Like little kid, whatever.
A couple years older, though.
Yeah.
Just like a little older or you know what it might be?
It might have been that thing where like he they were the same age, but like since he
grew up in the freak because he said he grew up since the day he was born.
He had been trained in all all forms of fighting or whatever.
So maybe he was just made of, you know, hard.
Well, clearly he was made of harder stuff than Sonic.
So Sonic's just like, hey, everybody, I'm a baby.
And he's like, I will murder all of you and I'm five.
Yeah, but I loved.
Knuckles story throughout this, like just having like this.
Like naive trust in Robotnik, because he I mean, he didn't know any better.
Like, that was so sad by the end when he was like, we are friends and he was like, I was
like, oh, when he said we were friends.
I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
So sorry, sir.
You were not even close to that.
Yeah, I also like really loved how like the little.
I don't know if they did this on purpose, probably, but just how.
It was like with Robotnik, it was the handshake that meant like an unbreakable promise or
an unbreakable bond or something like that, and how Sonic and Tails, like they got away
from that and did like the power bump.
Yes.
Like that.
I was just like, yes, like that's just because if they would have done like a handshake there,
I'd have been like, I don't know if like Knuckles would would be for that.
And also Knuckles handshakes.
Super weird.
I was just wearing boxing gloves.
Yeah.
Well, Sonic and Tails wear gloves that are unexplained.
No, no, no.
It's not that he was wearing unexplained gloves.
It's that he was wearing boxing gloves.
Like there were no.
He doesn't have like fingers.
They're like actually.
True gloves with horns, not horns spikes at the ends.
Well and that's what's weird is like that was the I know this will be technically effects.
Their gloves, I felt like were so ultra detailed, like more so than their bodies and his gloves.
It didn't look like those, you know, those little horns on the end.
They looked like they were just like they had stuffing in them.
Yeah.
They look super soft.
All though.
I had an absolute blast with this movie.
Despite my movie theater being stupid as shit.
Ha.
Dude, wait, what happened to you?
Wait, do we talk about this?
No, that was that was Rose that had an issue last time.
Yeah.
So when I went to go see this, I was the only person in the theater and I walked in, I was
just like, yes.
And so I like picked the bet like my best seat was sitting down like the trailer started
rolling and but all all the the the lights were on.
And so I was just like, OK, like, whatever.
Like not a big deal.
And then when the movie started, like the trailer started, I'm like, OK, it usually
dims by now, but like, whatever, like not a big deal.
And the movie started and the lights still didn't turn off.
And I'm just like, shit.
And I like frickin was running around the theater trying to find a light switch.
That's a light.
Did you find it or did you have to ask somebody?
No, I ran around.
I couldn't find anyone like in the movie was like starting.
So I missed like a good portion of the opening.
Like luckily I made it back just in time for.
Yeah, I made it back just in time for Knuckles.
Hilarious.
And so I was like running around about then where it was like the he had the the mushroom
Rube Goldberg machine just that went off for like a minute straight.
And yeah, I caught I caught the opening of that and then like was hauling ass trying
to find someone but couldn't find.
Anyone and I was like, shit, I'm going to have to watch this with the lights on.
So I watched the entire thing with the lights on.
Oh, that sounds so unsettling in a movie theater.
Yeah, it's it was the worst, especially like with the dark scenes like that.
Yeah, like I told you, I'm watching this movie again with the VR big screen turning all the
lights off.
Wait, can you turn on the lights in VR?
That's hilarious.
I guess if you're getting the whole the whole experience, you can.
But yeah, so like when you choose your seat, they have like a little switch that you can
adjust next to you.
It's awesome.
But you'll get like that ambient lighting from the screen so it will like light up the
theater.
But like how a movie theater looks, that's so awesome.
So good.
Well, you probably missed him.
The thing you probably missed was him using the quill and like a mushroom to make some
kind of crazy satellite thing where he like connected it and that like sent out the beam
that that told the people to to come and not rescue him.
They were just like, the heck are you doing here on this mushroom land?
Yeah, I think that's that's the part that I missed.
Because like I come back and like it looks like Robotnik's dead.
And I was like, ah, damn it.
But can you imagine if they killed Jim Carrey off in the first five months?
Oh, my gosh.
That talk about.
So yeah, straight.
That'd be straight up ballsy.
But yeah, I loved this movie and how well it flowed, how they just got the story down
perfect.
Up until the the wedding scene.
But then, like once that was over, it was back to being like flawless.
Yeah, that was so weird.
It was like we were beamed into another movie for like 15 minutes and then they were like,
all right, we're ready for the rest of the movie to go now.
Come on back.
And then they were back into the movie again.
Like, I would love to know if there is any kind of like, yeah, this was happening during
production and we had to do this because bop bop bop and I don't know.
Like it's just it's super weird.
It almost felt like they they needed to give the actors more screen time.
I mean, yeah, yeah, we have these people to include.
Well, that's what I was saying.
Like maybe some of the scenes that got cut out of the first one because they couldn't
make it in for whatever reason, involved them.
And they were like, we're getting our time and especially now that this is all done well,
like you're going to people are going to see our faces.
Although I will say, listen, I know it again had nothing to do with the movie at all.
But when Rachel, that her name, she whenever she was running up on the or rolling up on
him with the golf cart and then did the frickin e-brake slide and just like stepped out of
it and was like, I'm coming to get you.
Like that was amazing.
It was unnecessary and I loved it.
Yeah.
I mean, that scene would have been great in a different movie that had been set up more.
Um, she's which I guess it kind of was set up that something silly was going to happen,
really, if you think about it, because the second they were like, we're going to Hawaii,
I was like, okay, uh, that's a very convenient time to go during this movie that you're about
to be in.
But okay, I guess go to Hawaii and don't be in a Sonic movie.
Yeah.
Well, they weren't needed.
Like I thought like, okay, this is like the perfect instance to get them like out of the
way.
Sonic, is everything okay?
It's all great.
I love it.
Everything's fine.
We're all fine here.
Yeah, I'm like, that's what I thought.
I'm just like, hey, we got the nice heart to heart talk between Tom and Sonic.
Now they can just get out of the way for the rest of the movie.
What a nice riff on with great power becomes great or with great power comes great responsibility.
Like that talk will clearly not be as iconic, but that was also pretty good.
And back that it wasn't like, oh, my great, great, great, great grandpappy.
They're like, nah, this is just something my dad told me and I'm telling you.
And then pay it off at the end with, I got to tell you a moment that shouldn't have been
a sweet moment that almost brought a tear to my eye.
But when he was like, sure thing, dad, I was like, this is so weird, but also he's calling
him dad.
Where are you guys at with with the story?
Because I'm fairly high, but I am like just outside the 90 range and it's it's solely
because of the wedding scene.
I mean, listen, I can just tell you I'm going to make mine is going to be a 90 for story
and everything like the wedding scene probably could have brought it down further.
But can I just tell you the redemption story happened when those chaos emeralds went into
your boy and he turned supersonic.
And I was like, this is everything that I ever could want from a Sonic movie.
I got it all just now.
Like this is I can't believe it's happening because honestly, I didn't think it was going
to happen.
I remember thinking at the beginning, I'm like, that would be so cool if they did supersonic.
They for sure won't.
But that would be awesome if they did.
And then they did.
And I was like, this is it.
I mean, I want there to be a third movie for everyone that loves Shadow.
But if they never make another one of these, I got to see supersonic.
And my childhood dreams have been achieved.
So I'm giving it a 90.
That's fair.
I'm not quite there.
I think I'm sitting at like an 88.
So just shy of a 90.
Where are you at, Rose?
I'd say I'm the exact same as you.
88.
I think too, like part of the reason that I liked all of like seeing supersonic was the
same reason I liked seeing Tails flying the biplane.
I liked seeing him get to suck that air bubble underwater every time he would like get in
trouble and drop his little pouch of rings and they would go everywhere.
I was like, ah, this is this is the good stuff.
Like this is the good stuff.
He just like grabs him and like helicopters away over this.
Like everything.
All of that stuff was like, I mean, it was right on the line, but they hit it like just
perfectly, you know what I mean?
Because it wasn't too much.
It wasn't like so subtle that you're like, I don't understand what's happening.
Yeah, it was good.
I think, yeah, maybe that's more of a writing thing, but I don't know.
I liked it.
Yeah, that I was going to talk a little bit more about like supersonic when it came to
writing.
It was like, oh, but.
Yeah, so with our scores, we average out to an eighty eight point six six for story.
But yeah, moving on over to writing.
Dude, they this is how our video game movies need to be done.
Yes, it was just enough fan service for everyone to be like, hey, I get that reference.
Like the the Sonic theme song being on Tom's ringtone or.
I mean, I don't this might this one might be a bit of a stretch, but like.
Tales and like the multiple different tales and like him being the invincible character
and yes, like that was fun.
Yeah, the underwater bubble supersonic like.
Oh my gosh, like I so I.
I did get a little bit confused because I thought the the master emerald was.
All of or was like one of the chaos emeralds.
Yeah, I don't I never got super into like the lore like I I was a big Sonic one and
Sonic two guy and once it got into.
Once it got into the other craziness like all of your adventures and all that stuff
and unleashed and all that, like I never really got too much into that.
So I don't know if that like maybe that lore because supposedly I watched like one video
before we started tonight and apparently this movie borrows like heavily from Sonic Adventures.
I think they were saying Sonic Adventures and Sonic Adventures 2.
So maybe that has more to do with that than the original games did.
But I definitely had a point and I lost it again.
I'm sorry, that's two times in one episode.
Maybe I am not the maybe I'm not the official host, the third host.
No, I get what you're saying there.
It's just taking a bunch of things from multiple different sources like.
I mean, I considered the the snowboarding scene kind of from like that Sonic Riders
game.
There was there was the the video I watched talked about that.
I can't remember.
It wasn't maybe it was Sonic Riders, but there was stuff like that, like the snowboarding,
like how he had a race car bed.
That was like kind of like a deeper cut because like you said, like you were you thought you
were mistaken before Rose when you were like the Sonic comics.
There was an Archie run of comics where Sonic had a race car bed.
Like that was his whole thing was he had the race car bed.
So that was like supposed to be a nod to that.
I feel like I feel like him digging chili dogs was like that was like the Sonic cartoon
reference like that was it like we're way past cool.
Got a fast chili cheese dogs.
Let's go.
Go.
In a cheese dog or a chili dog.
Amazing.
He's not the Sonic you knew.
Dude, that was my favorite line from Knuckles.
I was just about to bring that up.
That was my favorite line from Knuckles.
Like he is not the Sonic you once knew.
And then he freaking summons a chili cheese dog and he's just like, OK, maybe he is the
Sonic you knew.
Or just the fact that like dude Knuckles was was such a good part of this movie.
He was great because he was the end scene was amazing.
His baseball.
Oh my God.
That was I loved that baseball scene.
You know, he was he was like, you know how people want like everyone loved Drax.
He was like the perfect dumb character.
He was like strong and dumb, but he was like just good enough to like make it with the
with everybody else.
He was like a riff on Drax that wasn't like a direct like nothing goes over my head.
I'm too fast.
I would catch it.
But that is totally Knuckles is vibe of like him and Drax would get along famously.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
I loved how he was trying to have like a serious heart to heart with Sonic and that Sonic just
freaking pelt him with sand.
And he's like, you dare attack me.
They had a lot of cool like scenes in this movie, especially at the very end, right before
right before he goes all supersonic when they finally Sonic's like we need to work together.
And they had their like crazy Avengers moment where they like were standing on that like
little hill of rubble and they got to go in their action poses and then they're running
and the cameras in front of them and they're like, all right, you go this way.
I'll go that way.
Like that whole scene was amazing.
Like that this this was a great video game movie like a video game by the way, a video
game that was about nothing.
It was they're like, hey, this is clearly not a hedgehog.
But what else is it going to be?
It's a hedgehog.
It goes fast.
There's a freaking crazy guy who's trying to kill animals, I guess.
I don't know, man.
You're going to try and get them.
And they made a really good couple of movies about this.
They did such a good job, like just giving me just those those vibes like they brought
like my childhood to life.
Like I didn't play a whole lot of Sonic growing up, but just I knew who Sonic was.
I knew Knuckles.
I knew Tails and I knew Shadow.
Like that was like the extent of my Sonic knowledge.
But didn't know Blaze.
No, I didn't know.
You keep throwing these random characters out at me.
No, I don't.
I told you that is the extent of my Sonic knowledge.
OK, one more question.
So you don't know who Silver is then?
I know who Silver is now because you've talked about him so much.
I don't know who any of them are.
Like I said to my nephews, I was like, yeah, the next one, they'll probably just bring
in the pink one.
And they knew her name.
I was like.
I mean, Silver was introduced in what many people call the worst Sonic game ever made.
So unleashed.
No, Sonic 06.
By the way, have you either of you played because I've heard it's amazing.
Like it's a really good sequel, I guess.
They consider it Sonic 3, but it's Sonic Mania.
No.
Is that the one with like the version like past self or is that a different Sonic?
It looks like generations.
Yeah, no, this looks like it was made like a couple of years after Sonic 2.
Like it's side scroller.
It's the level design.
It looks a lot like the first two Sonics did, but it was made more recently.
I feel like I might be talking on butt here, but I feel like it was somebody who started
it as some kind of maybe not a fan project, but like something adjacent to that that like
picked up steam and Sega or whoever was like, oh, we like what you're doing here.
Why don't you make, why don't we just let you make the next game and you can make the
next, so I don't know, just throwing it out there for no reason, I guess.
Actually I take it back.
The reason I mentioned it is because I didn't know how much longer the sale was going to
go on, but like I have a switch and like I guess in light of the Sonic movie coming out,
all the Sonic games in the eShop are on sale, but they're only on sale for one more day.
So by the time this comes out, you guys can just not, not have that.
Go just throw a heart on it, put it on your wishlist for next time it goes on sale.
But if you want it to, you can get Sonic Mania for $10 whenever it does go on sale.
Honestly, Cable, the only reason I know so many Sonic characters is I think I've already
told you this is just because I've like played every single Mario and Sonic at the Olympic
Games.
Right.
Is it me?
No, I think it might be me.
My Wi-Fi is just being real shitty.
Well, in case anyone missed my sick joke, I said it's because he also writes fan fiction
for Reddit.
Sonic you're pregnant again.
Oh my God, it's twins.
Dude, and another thing that I really liked that they did was the maze with all the booby
traps.
Yeah, it was like all the traps that you got from like the first game.
That was crazy.
And when he got when he walks in and he's like, what do you say, like every seven steps
or seven seconds or whatever, there's a new trap.
And that that like whatever it was, like the the swinging blade came in like, I mean, was
that CG or did they just do it in slow motion or something?
Because it looked like it didn't look CG that thing that swiped in front of his face.
And I can only imagine the only way they could do that is if they had done it in like in
slow motion, like in real life slow motion.
That's a good question.
It looked super good.
But my money is on CG.
You're probably amazing how far CGI has come.
I mean, I said it before, look at their gloves.
Like I that shouldn't be the thing I paid so much attention to.
But their gloves look so real.
Like you could see like the lint coming off of them like on the like the I don't know.
It was crazy, dude.
I felt the same thing with knuckles shoes, like the green part of the dog is like so
fuzzy.
I'm like, OK, I'm like paying way too much attention to this shit.
Although may I just say again, I know we need to save this for effects, but there were some
times where I was like, bro, you need to put some drops in your eyes because those eyeballs
are super dry.
That's got some rocks in there, bro.
Oh, man.
All right with writing.
I think a lot of the things that they wrote into the story were were really, really solid,
like just all the fan service.
Like you can you can get more on the nose than than that.
Not without being ridiculous, not without being like eye rolly like, all right, we get
it, the Sonic movie.
Yeah.
And I just like love like they weren't so just blatant about it.
Like when Sonic was underwater, like him not being able to swim.
Like that's just how he like that's isn't how he is in the game.
Yeah.
And what's funny is like when that was happening, by the way, I it didn't dawn on me.
And then when he like freed knuckles and he's like, I can't swim, I was like, oh my god,
he can't swim.
Like we already paid that off, like this is the payoff from like the very, very, very
beginning.
And I'm like, oh, no, he is going to die.
And I, by the way, can I tell you, as someone who played that game a lot when I was a kid,
I heard the like music that plays when you're underwater and it's like you're about to die
and it's anxiety inducing.
Yes.
And I'm like, no, he's going to die.
And thankfully, knuckles saved him.
Oh my gosh, that did that.
I could hear that music too.
Like I was getting like worked up and I was like, gosh, why am I so worked up just hearing
the did it like, yeah.
Yeah, I feel like all the dialogue, like once again, I don't know how many times I'm going
to say it.
Once again, the only thing that I felt was like unnecessary dial otherwise was anything
in the wedding scene.
After that, I feel I didn't hate that scene as much as you guys did.
I didn't listen.
I hated most of it.
The things I liked about it.
I really liked, I already told you whenever she like stepped out of the golf cart as it
was sliding away was amazing.
I loved that general Olive Garden showed back up and he was like, haha, bet you wish you
had taken those gift cards or whatever.
That was hilarious.
I don't know why.
To me, that part was a weird throwback to like movies, things that happened in movies
that used to happen in movies that absolutely do not happen anymore.
I feel like what happened in that span of time when there was no animated creatures
lurking about is what a normal sequel would have been like where it was just like the
people you didn't care about from the first movie coming back to be like, haha, it's me,
Olive Garden man.
One of the henchmen that Sonic buried a quill into his chest by accident or whatever.
Those two got together to be like, we had to start gun so that we could get this little
rascal, this little hedgehog rascal.
Yeah, no, it was, I still, I don't know, I enjoyed that guy though.
I don't know why I went off on that.
I wish I would have done a double feature like you did because I did not recognize that
guy at first.
Because he was the guy that showed up right at the end of the first movie and he was like,
I'm here to make a very generous offer to you too, to thank you for your continued silence
on the comings and goings of Dr. Robotnik and they're like, oh, and he pulls out like,
it's like a $50 gift card to Olive Garden.
Yup.
Yeah, but I think I might be a little bit higher on my writing score.
I think I'm sitting at a 90 with this one just because everything flowed perfectly.
I can let go of a lot of stuff that happened in the wedding scene because like I said,
it was a really cool sequence.
It just felt really out of place for a Sonic movie, but it was cool.
Well for that Sonic movie.
Yeah.
So I'm giving bonus points to it for that, but I'm not going like crazy high.
So I'm sitting at a 90 with that one.
Where are you guys at?
I'm going to go one ahead of you.
I'm going to go a 91 just because yeah, the writing was super, super solid and I agree
with you guys with the whole wedding scene.
It felt it was very unnecessary, but I don't know.
Honestly I don't know how else you could have incorporated the characters from the first
movie into this movie without doing that wedding scene.
So I'll take it.
I don't think Gunn needed to be in this at all.
Like you could have just been like National Guard done.
Well that could have been, I mean clearly that's supposed to be part of the setup for
Shadow showing up too, right?
Because that's yeah, it had to be done.
Fair.
Because yeah, that's what it's called in the video games.
This is the thing.
I'm giving writing a 92 because again, everything that it's not that the wedding scene was out
of place, it's that like everything else was so well written for this movie that it was
like, it just seemed really weird that they were like, it almost seemed like they filmed
the whole movie and they were like, all right, or wrote the whole movie and they were like,
all right, now how do we get from B to C or from B to D because we've got C to D, we've
got A to B, we've got C to D, but how do we get from B to C?
Because I don't, what do we, what do we do here?
And they were like, ah, everybody's a cop.
All right, moving on.
Yeah.
All right.
Well that averages us out to a 91.
Moving on over to acting.
We have Ben Schwartz who voiced Sonic.
Colleen O'Shaughnessy who voiced Tails.
Idris Elba who voiced Knuckles.
Jim Carrey who played Dr. Robotnik.
And then we have James Marsden who played Tom Wachowski.
And then Tika Sumter who played Maddie Wachowski.
Are we going to include her in this?
I guess, I guess not really.
Like their roles were so small.
I was trying to like come up with like the big ones, but that's all.
That's the thing that we always are going to go back to the wedding scene because because
of that wedding scene, you almost have to include her and her sister because like even
though they, they had not much to do or say, like they did get a big chunk of that movie
like right before the end.
So like it was just, again, just a weird place to do it.
It was a weird time.
It was, yeah.
So I think you could legitimately include them, but it's not going to help.
It's not going to help anything.
Damn.
Just for shits and giggles, the sister was played by Natasha Rothwell.
I like her by the way.
She is really funny.
She's hilarious.
It's just, she, she out of place.
Can I tell you, I like her better than the wife.
Like she, I think she's like a more, whatever.
Are we rating the acting?
What are we doing?
Yeah.
We'll do top three.
Like who do you, who do you think, like who was your top three?
Like actors and this.
Can we do, can we do top four please?
Yeah, we can do top four.
Because in no specific order, mine is Sonic, Tails, Knuckles and Robotnik.
Like any order you want to.
Maybe in different orders.
Yeah.
I was going to say whatever order you want to put that in, I'm fine.
Like as long as those four are the top four, that's, as far as I'm concerned, nobody else
was in this movie.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
That, that's pretty much my top four as well, but I would order it.
Okay.
Just so everyone is aware, my margins are really, really close.
So before anyone tries getting butt hurt about my order, my number four, I'm given to Tails.
Ouch.
My three, three I'm given to Sonic.
Two Knuckles, one Robotnik.
Yeah.
I mean, Rose, do you have a, an order?
Oh yeah.
Mine's, I think mine's different.
You guys might hate me for this.
Four is Eggman.
Three is Sonic.
Two is Tails.
And then one is Knuckles.
Wow.
I know, right?
So I would say that like, if I did have to order them, only if we're taking both movies
into account, which we're not, I would put Robotnik at number one.
But to me, it is a, a fight for three and four between him and Knuckles.
And then Sonic would be one and Tails would be two.
And only because like, I don't think I honestly, can I tell you?
I don't think that Jim Carrey had enough time in this movie, like honestly, I wish that
the whole wedding scene had been some scene with him and Stone because he was so good
in the first movie that I was like, God, please let us just see more of him.
If they just doubled his time, that would have been great.
But I feel like a lot of the stuff with him was like not wasted because clearly it was
awesome to see him as big, you know, Mecha Robotnik, but there was a lot of like, I am
the great and powerful Oz and now we're going to go over here and I'm going to lightning
bolt you.
I'm like, no, give me the one liners.
Give me this guy like being the most arrogant person in the room, punching people in the
throat, doing weird stuff.
Like he was amazing.
And that's the only reason why I would put them that low.
But then like Knuckles, I feel like didn't have a lot to say.
Like, but here's OK, here's what's crazy is that those three animated characters are
easily in the top four and James Marsden and the gang don't they're like such a distant
fifth place and beyond that.
Like I was telling Caleb before you came on Rose, like it was like there were two movies
happening.
There were the actors that were acting over here and then there were the other people
that got to be in the movie because they were in the first one that nobody believed in.
But it was it was crazy to see it was crazy to see animated characters acting better than
people.
So I don't know, man, like I like James Marsden.
I don't really know that lady, the one that played his wife or her sister, James Marsden.
I like a lot, but like when you're in a movie with Jim Carrey, you can't just be like, hey,
guys, I just wanted to have a tough conversation about being the blue justice.
You can't always go out and act crazy.
Sometimes you got to be patient, you know, like you can't be that guy in a Jim Carrey
movie where he is being like Ace Ventura, cable guy, frickin all of them all at once
to play the frickin Mr. Robotnik.
You can't I don't know how you're in that movie and anyone cares who you are.
Did I say my rating 92 for acting for Act Air?
Wait, did I say is that what I said for acting?
No, for no, you said 92 for writing was I would I say for acting?
I would still say I'll say 90, I'll say 90 only because like the movie wasn't about James
Marsden and his wife and you know, those people, even though there was that chunk that was
like it for the most part was about those.
I mean, listen, I would sell everyone into the circus if I could just see the frickin
dance off scene again.
If that was the only scene I could watch, I would watch that scene every time.
Dude, I thought that when I like figured out that they were going to be doing like a dance
off, I'm like, this is going to be funky, but it ended up being one of my favorite scenes.
Like this is awesome.
And I feel we'll probably get more into it with music.
But did you guys did you guys like the song choice of down funk?
Or would you have preferred a different song?
I think it worked.
Yeah, I think Bruno Mars is like the the if you like need the hip hop version of Imagine
Dragons, you just put in a Bruno Mars song and you're like, yeah, yeah, that's a that's
a hip hop commercial song.
We'll just put that in.
So I think that fit perfectly for this movie.
Yeah, my only.
We'll get into it, but I feel there were some other interesting soundtrack choices that
happened.
But like I said, we'll get into it.
I mean, I am very interested to hear what Caleb found interesting.
But getting back to acting, I might actually be a little bit higher than.
The new DJ.
I think I'm like.
Maybe at a 92.
Like I love like it's so hard for me to want to include like Tom and all of them because
they were just such a small part.
Yes.
It's just like they were in all we can really say.
All I can say is like they were in there.
But like once you get back to like the story that we came to see, like it was amazing,
like frickin Ben Schwartz is able to hit the emotional notes super well, the comedic, like
he just his comedic timing is perfect.
Like there's nothing that he's been in that I've not liked or at least not liked him.
Is he the guy that normally rise of Timmons?
Is he the guy that normally voices Sonic?
Because I know the lady or whatever, she's the one that does the voice of tales, right?
Yeah.
No, he's never voiced Sonic before that guy.
OK, well, I then I do have to re reset a little bit then because thinking about him and even
though it was a smaller part, I would even say Agent Stone had like, I don't know, like
I liked him in that as well, even though, again, not not even as big a part as the as
Tom and the gang.
But I think I might match you.
I think I might come up and match you on a ninety two.
Yeah, I mean, he did a great job.
Does he do voice acting normally?
Because again, like that is actually even more impressive.
He voices Dewey and DuckTales.
Really?
Let's see.
Yeah, I've actually been watching the new DuckTales and gotta say it's pretty good.
Yeah, by the way, the newer Disney shows like what is happening, like the Mickey Mouse stuff,
the DuckTales, all that, the Chippendale, like it's actually really good, like shockingly
good.
Yeah, like.
When I need a family appropriate show to watch and I'm like not wanting to watch Coco Mellon
or anything else like that, I'm like, hey, you want to watch DuckTales?
And she's like, OK, huh?
I guess he has done a lot of voiceover work, not a lot of stuff I would recognize right
off the bat.
But yeah, no, he did really well.
Like I was completely sold on Sonic all the way.
Yeah, for me now, he is the voice of Sonic for sure.
Where are you at, Rose?
You know, honestly, I'm going to match you guys a ninety two.
For the I have to give so much credit to Idris Elba as Knuckles because for the longest time,
I feel Knuckles has just become a joke.
He's not as he was when he was first introduced.
And I feel choosing Idris Elba as the voice of him brought him back to his roots and how
he is as a character.
And oh my God, I loved him so much as Knuckles.
So for him alone and also like, don't I love Ben Schwartz as Sonic.
He was great.
But also I have to give it to the accuracy place, Tails, because I'm so grateful that
they brought her back to play Tails because I know they got two stars to play Sonic and
Knuckles, but I'm sorry, no one else can do as far as right now can do the voice of Tails
besides her.
It would just it would just be sound too weird having like a big name actor doing Tails,
it would just sound too weird.
I mean, don't worry.
She's a she's a big name voice actor.
Don't get me wrong.
But like say like they brought in like Kristen Bell or like Megan.
Oh, God, don't get me wrong.
Don't give us a making Fox.
Listen, don't get twisted.
There was the guy that does the voice of Ren and Stimpy and all the voices on Futurama.
I can't think of his name, Billy West.
He did him and the guy that does Bender, John DiMaggio, they did.
Or is that his name, John?
Doesn't matter.
You know, I'm talking about they did a they did a.
Documentary like a long time ago about voice actors, and they basically one of the things
they talked about in that movie was like basically how stupid it is that they're getting big
name actors to come in and basically take their jobs away because they're like, this
is our livelihood.
This is what we spend.
You know, we've spent time honing this craft of like doing these voices because like with
guys like Billy West, and I'm sure the lady that does Tails as well, like they don't just
do that voice or like maybe one or two other voices on one or two other video games.
They usually have like a catalog of like hundreds of voices that they can do or like iconic
characters that you would never think of like attaching to this person.
So yeah, no, I totally agree with, you know, keeping actual voice actors doing the work
and not just we'll get Will Smith to come in here and be a fish like no one even knows
that stupid movie is now anyway.
Like why couldn't you have given Billy West or whoever that money to come in and do that?
Why you got to put that movie back into my head?
I don't even know the name of it.
How about that?
Sharp Tale.
There you go.
It's it's dumb like it's dumb or even the one that I enjoy watching it animated movies
like seeing like the big actors name on an animated movie isn't a selling point for me.
No, but it's Mario.
Yeah.
Well, Mario, look at the one right before not right before it, but look at the it was
the Will Smith and Tom Holland joint where he turned into a pigeon and he was big fat
nothing.
Maybe it was really dumb.
But that's the thing, like at least like, OK, it was dumb.
But those two frickin idiots got paid off of that.
Like why couldn't that have if that movie was going to be what it was anyway, like why
not give people that are actual voice actors, not people that are actors acting in movies
normally?
Yeah, absolutely.
They're better at it.
They're honing that particular skill that like normal live action actors just don't
do.
Yeah, no.
And that, by the way, that's why I'm like super impressed with Ben Schwartz, because
that is like that seemed that seems like some seasoned voice actor stuff that he was doing
in that.
So I don't know.
I really appreciate that.
And even a address Elba, like, you know, clearly it's I don't think he is suffering for another
paycheck.
But I don't know, I guess it sucks because I like him.
So I'm like, that's fine that he's in there.
But I'm sure somebody else is getting a series on Paramount about Knuckles.
OK, well, let me let me ask you guys something.
Have you guys are you fans of the Halo video game series and have you watched any of the
Halo Paramount plus nonsense?
I am a fan of Halo.
I have not played it in a really long time, but I am wanting to watch the Halo series.
I have just have not gotten around to it yet.
So I won't spoil anything for either of you if you care.
But it's like apparently this show is not even in canon at all.
And they lean into that fact like real fast.
So that's all I'll say about it.
I don't know, man.
Like I'm always weird about TV shows and especially like I'm sure Paramount Plus is like really
like pushing the envelope to be like we are the next streaming service.
We had Jackass forever.
We have something else, I'm sure.
But we're definitely we're definitely a contender.
We are not going to be the next you know, what was that one that was here for like a
second?
I don't know.
There have been so many streaming services that have come and gone.
They're so convinced to not be that that.
I don't know.
I don't think we need a Knuckles TV show.
Yeah, I mean, I want to see more Knuckles, so I'm like, oh, I mean, I'll take it.
But I mean, he's been my favorite Sonic character since I was a kid, so I will gladly take it.
I only want to see it until I it was introduced to Shadow.
By the way, there was the to me, the craziest thing in the movie was when they were fighting
and they had just like a split second scene of like them like clashed up against each
other and it was just like the game again.
Like it was like seeing those two clash up and you're like, it's happening.
But listen, unless the show shows Knuckles at war and, you know, defending the last of
the Enchidnas or whatever they're called.
And yeah, no, I want to see that.
I want to see the 10 year battle that brought him to the frickin hardened, crazy person
that he is today.
Dave, me too.
So they show that I'm in.
Fair enough.
All right.
Next up, we got character development, which I think we can obviously say is Sonic.
I was doing Tom.
Yeah.
So yeah, he was first he was where he lived and then he was somewhere else and then he
went back again.
You know, you always start where you came from.
Perfect arc.
So this is where the the first.
The first movie suffered a little bit, but I think this one did way better at giving
Sonic a good arc.
Yes.
Like just being that.
Not really super responsible.
Child who wants to be a vigilante and making him someone who's like fulfilling what his
destiny is meant to be and like understanding that, oh, this is what my power is for and
I'm going to use it for this purpose and like fulfilling that and like still keeping his
like childhood or childlike.
Of wonder.
I don't know how else to describe it.
Yeah, just his his childlike wonder.
Yeah, because he starts as being like, I need to get out there and help everybody.
And it, you know, be damned what happens.
You know, I don't care if I ruin this city block to, you know, he he has made some growth.
You can tell that by the end.
You know, he calls him dad.
He knows how to like to mess with Knuckles now.
Like I don't know.
He seems like just he seems more mature.
You know what I mean?
Like again, it sounds so weird saying this about a blue hedgehog, but he seems more.
He seems more mature, but like how a kid would mature.
You know what I mean?
Like clearly he's still going to be a frickin little goon, but he's like, I kind of understand
a little bit of the world better now that I've, you know, that I've turned into a hedgehog
god for a moment.
I was a god and that was OK.
I just want to be a kid.
Yeah.
I think again, it wasn't like some crazy, like inspiring character arc, but it was it
was.
It was a lot better than the first movie.
Yeah, the first movie again, so like herky jerky, just kind of like everything was King
King King King King King King King King King and it led up to whatever.
And you're like, all right, well, we made it.
We know what it took to get here.
So it's fine.
We got up with this.
I will say all of their like tails had no arc.
I don't think if he did, it was I will say of all of them, it was super slow.
It was like the slowest burn of an arc and tails was probably the slowest because it
was I guess he kind of had an arc, but it was again, it was like moved like a glacier
and only seconded by Knuckles.
And then Sonic again, he did have that.
It was it was more of like a right before the sun sets, you know, when you can still
see that little beep just right above the horizon.
You're like, ah, there it is.
I see it.
And everybody else was like, we kind of have an arc, but you can't.
It's past the horizon.
I think for character development, I'm around maybe eighty five ish.
I think it was definitely better than the first, but just still not quite up there.
But it was it was all right.
Maybe actually maybe eighty five is high.
I think I'm going to go like eighty two.
Yeah, I'm going to go eighty two.
Rose, where are you at?
You know, I'm going to match you.
I'm going to go in a two.
I really don't have anything else to say.
I got dang it.
I'm sorry.
I am freaking copycat Jones, too.
I knew I should have said it first because I'm eighty two as well.
Because I'm like, ah, it's funny because you almost had me convinced with eighty five
and then you're like eighty two.
Yeah, eighty two sounds right.
I think that does sound right.
Even eighty two might even be just a pinch high.
But I like this movie.
I want to see it get at least a C plus.
So I'm sticking with eighty two.
Just for shits and giggles, because you've seen the first one, where do you and because
you haven't listened to our Sonic, our first Sonic the Hedgehog episode, where do you think
we put the character development for the first one?
Like if you had it, it had to have been an almost non-existent.
Right.
Like it had to have been in like the 60s because there was like literally Tom's character did
not develop it like purposely.
The story was like, no, you will not develop.
You are going to have all these big dreams and aspirations.
And oops, a little blue child has been dumped upon your lap and you're not going anywhere
or doing anything.
And Sonic was like again, it was like he had it wasn't an arc so much as it was like a
like a cartoon lightning bolt where it just was like, King, King, King, King.
And it just kind of went to where it ended.
So character development.
It had to have been in like the 60s.
Right.
There's no way we were actually a little bit higher.
What?
Yeah, it wasn't by much.
It wasn't by much.
So we were actually at a seventy five for the first movie.
That's not I mean, listen.
Here's the thing, like the thing that both of these movies, the second one does better
than the first, but the first one does really well considering what it was, is make you
go, yeah, but look at how good this movie is.
You know what I mean?
Like, again, like as much as like we've harped on the wedding scene, like, I mean, it's it
only sticks out because it's such a good movie.
And it's crazy to think like the first movie was in such like developmental hell because
of what they tried to pass off for Sonic at first, because what we really learned was
that like the movie that was there wasn't bad.
Like it was never going to be a bad movie.
It just didn't look like anyone thought it should look.
So I can't.
And again, with what had to happen to that movie to chop and screw it into what it ended
up being, I don't think seventy five is I don't think that's outrageous.
I mean, looking back with again, with hindsight, you would be like, yeah, that was there was
no real development there.
But like with that being what it was, and especially not knowing, I would imagine at
the time, well, I don't know if you knew at the time if there was even going to be a second
one.
So if you're like, well, if this is it, like this is not bad.
Yeah, like at the time when we did the episode, there was no talks of a sequel.
Like absolutely none.
So there you go.
I think seventy five is right on the mark.
Well, actually, wait now there there was technically with because that end credit scene with the
tails.
But you know how they do sometimes where the studio will will set up something and they're
like because you almost feel like that's why they show instead of just showing like, you
know, two tails or like tails of shoes or something, they're like, we're going to show
the entirety of tails so that just in case there's no more movie, you got to see tails.
Hey.
And I feel like that's why they did that with Shadow, too, because they were still like,
listen, we haven't we don't we still don't have enough street cred to just show you like
his boot or something.
Like we have to show you his entire face so you know who this is.
I mean, the nice thing, though, is that Paramount Greenlit Sonic three before this movie even
came out.
No, thank God.
Yeah, we're talking about that one with you, too.
So they can only they can only screw it up from here.
Like it's theirs to ruin now.
Like it's just true.
They they they're where they need to be.
So good luck, fellas.
Good.
See you in two years.
Hopefully.
All right.
Well, our score averaged out to an eighty two for character development.
Moving on over to effects, which there was a significant amount in this one.
First off, I think there was some horrendous green screen in this occasionally with Robotnik.
And I don't know if it's just because it was super noticeable because it was really bright
in my theater or.
Yeah, I don't think I noticed that, honestly.
Damn, I needed to see this in the dark.
It was so noticeable with how bright it was.
I mean, listen, my my nephew, he I didn't know because I never noticed green screen
stuff like when people are like, oh, it's obviously green screen.
I'm like, I am too stupid.
I don't know what that looks like.
And one of the things that he noticed, though, was like, you know, when they were I think
was right after the dance off, they fell asleep like Tails fell asleep in front of the fire
and Sonic put a blanket over him.
And then the like when he went to go to sleep next to him, Tails like stuck his tails out
and covered Sonic with it.
Apparently, like I didn't see this.
My nephew was like there was a lot of clipping and like weird stuff going on there that like
I don't know how that made it into the movie, but OK.
And I was like, I didn't see any of that.
So kudos to you for catching it.
But also, I don't know.
I guess I just don't know what I'm looking for.
So I thought I was oblivious because I didn't see that either.
It's so hard with with things like that with green screen or clipping, because if you were
or just like to see that kind of stuff, because if you were to pause it and look at it like
an image, it looks fine.
It's just when it's in motion that it starts looking funky.
And I'm talking about when you say green screen stuff for Robotnik, we're talking about at
the end when he went Neo and had like his little vocoder voice and was being all weird
and lightning bolt.
No, I was the scene that stood out to me the most was when it was him and Knuckles in the
when they were trying to steal the compass from from Sonic when he was kind of floating
around the mountains and everything.
It just looked not great.
Or like when he was in his little.
Yeah.
So yeah, I guess I'll have to watch it again.
Honestly, it probably just stood out to me.
Like if you guys didn't see it, because Rose usually sees that stuff.
So if he didn't see it, I'm willing to bet it was just because it was super bright in
my theater.
Why does this all look fake and like there's light reflecting off of it from the wrong places?
Yeah.
So damn.
Yeah.
Other than that, minor complaint, which might not even technically be a complaint.
The only other thing that I really noticed was that was what you pointed out earlier,
DJ, with their eyes being like ridiculously dry and not having any sort of like glossy
look to them.
What's crazy is if you look at Sonic's nose, it looks like a wet dog nose.
Like so clearly they thought enough to be like, well, he's got a nose, so it's exposed
like an animal would.
So why wouldn't we make it like a little moist on there, but nobody was like, give this dude
some Visine or something like just fricking throw a bit of gloss onto it.
I mean, I say that.
And I mean, we all know that saying and doing are two completely different things when it
comes to stuff like that.
But God dang, dude, like get those fricking rocks out of that dude's eyeballs.
Yeah.
Besides that, I mean, did you guys notice anything else?
Like I feel like I noticed some shit, but obviously I don't feel like my opinion can
be trusted.
No, I liked it.
I liked it all.
Like I thought it looked amazing.
I thought the hair looked great.
Like, I mean, I don't know, they'll never be able to make those things look like they're
real real.
So that's fair.
You know what I mean?
But it's never I don't I don't know that it can look much better than that.
The degrees between where it looks now and where it would be looking better are so small
that you're like, it's fine.
Like it's always going to be passable from now on.
So I don't know.
It's and again, the gloves like you were saying two rows, the shoes, like that's what was
wild to me is like how like far and away good those were like almost like they like put
gloves on a stick and were like, we'll just animate around these gloves.
Like it was nuts to me that they look that good.
Am I crazy?
You guys are laughing.
But it looks really good.
Really good.
Yeah, I'm just laughing for how much detail they put into those gloves.
They did.
They did so much and like even when I mean, hell, when like they put a lot of detail into
Sonic and Knuckles when they were wet.
Yes.
And they were by the way, that was one thing I really appreciated about what they did is
they made them like wet and dirty a lot.
That wasn't like a thing that they're like, we're going to try and see if this works.
And just so you know that like fine, they got dirt on them, whatever.
Like Sonic was like always had something on him.
He always had some dirt or he always had some frickin he was in the at the beginning.
He's like, you know, doing his hair like in the frickin soap tub or whatever with all
the bubbles and stuff everywhere.
Like they really they really didn't try and like, you know, do that thing that that some
some animation does, which is like try and hide all of the sins in the shadows.
And they're like, we'll just we'll just make it dark everywhere.
They're like, nope, we're going to put them out on the beach with dirt all over him and
we're going to see how that looks.
Yeah, they did a great job with that.
And I mean, I was even impressed with the Robotnik robot.
Oh, yeah.
So good.
Like that couldn't have looked more perfect.
Dude, the big Mecha one, the when he ended up riding around in the little round job,
like from the video game, I was like, this is frickin crazy.
And he did the the mustache.
He did the glasses, everything.
I could not.
It was I. Yeah, I can't believe this movie.
Like these two movies should not have been good.
Like on paper, they're not good.
And you're like, you see Jim Carrey on it and you're like, oh, so these are Jim Carrey's
last two movies that he did before he, you know, did he did the one last cash grab and
then he just frickin boogied out and never came back again.
But instead, you're like, no, these are good movies.
Yeah, they're they're amazing.
Like, especially the second one.
Like like you said, like the first one, it's it's understandable when you understand like
the history and like what happened behind the scenes.
And like why the movie is the way it is.
And you can almost forgive it for that.
This one was just, hey, like we don't have to worry about character design anymore.
We just need to frickin just like now we can focus on the story and like the effects and
the things that like actually matter.
And and then they released like a great product and the effects were just killer in this.
So I'm not going to dock too much because apparently my green screen in the light opinion
cannot be trusted.
I think I'm in the high 90s for this one.
Can I give mine first so I don't have to be copycat Jones and say ninety five.
I did it anyway.
Are you at 95?
Yes.
What about euros?
I'm going to go slightly lower.
93.
Hello.
I'll meet you guys in the middle at 94.
There you go.
All right.
Which will average us out to a 94.
All right.
I like it.
All right.
Next up, we got music.
So this one is out of 10.
Yeah I was going to say so besides uptown funk, go and give it to you.
Like name any other tune besides the the you know the sonic theme ringtone that was in
this.
Like I didn't notice the music at all.
There's one and I loved it so much when we first see sonic about to take on the armed
robbery.
They start playing it's tricky by Run DMC and I started smiling.
I'm like OK you know what I like the song choice.
That was the other thing they did well like how they the same way they did like a riff
on Drax without doing like like this is Drax for what's his face Knuckles.
Like they did again the thing of like the the super speed thing like they did in the
first movie that wasn't just a why can't I think of his name the frickin Maximoff kid
what's his name from X-Men or the Marvel movies.
Yes they didn't just do another Quicksilver like you know slow like Hello Darkness my
old friend and he's frickin you know what I mean.
Like it was it all it was it was a riff on that but it wasn't like a direct carbon copy
where you immediately thought of that.
It was just another guy that goes super fast that did it in a cool way.
And I agree that song went great with that.
Honestly like the song choices were on point.
I think my only problems were some of the music did not fit super well with the scene
and I don't know the name of the songs that well.
I mean I could point them out but it's just there were some where I was just like this
is kind of an odd choice for for a song or this particular moment but whatever like like
just a catchy tune.
So I mean I'm I'm fairly high I think I'm I might be like a really soft nine like a
really soft nine.
Yeah I think I was going to go I could be talked down to an eight easily if you guys
want.
I don't know I'm like a high eight.
That's just me.
Yeah I was middle of the road eight so I.
Okay we I mean I'm fine doing eights.
I mean we round down anyway.
Yeah I mean I don't know it was it's that thing of like it's weird because I don't it's
I said it before on the show and it's it doesn't make sense but I don't know why I feel this
way music to me is kind of like editing like you almost unless it's important for some
reason like you almost shouldn't really notice it's there anyway.
So it's really hard for me to to grade it like it would be like to me it would be like
grading editing like you if you don't notice it I mean it's clearly a hundred but if you
do notice it it's got to be a zero because you're like you shouldn't notice it and I
don't think music's the same.
I don't think that's a one for one comparison but I feel like a lot of times that's kind
of like it is setting the mood but I mean you're like watching the actors you're trying
to find out like what the next thing is maybe it's going to bring up tension maybe it's
going to make you feel emotional whatever it is but like ultimately you're not going
to be like I remembered that swell of violins right as he said no don't go and then I started
weeping like no you're going to remember the guy who said no don't go like Ryan Gosling
really acted his face off he really he really went to the secret garden or whatever he did
so I don't know music always throws me off when grading anything unless it's a musical
I guess.
Our average like if we think that a soundtrack is just like like your basic run-of-the-mill
soundtrack like a this music worked for the scene that it was in where you usually sit
around a six if the score is like really impressed us but nothing was like too like memorable
for about a seven things that are a little bit more memorable were around an eight ones
that just kind of like oh this was was great like this was a great soundtrack we're like
at nine and then for me when for for ten it's like okay like great soundtrack plus you had
a catchy ass song that stuck in my head.
It's almost got to be like an original score I would like all the way through that super
memorable I'd like to be a ten because it's funny I was just talking about this the other
day I like I started playing Animal Crossing and that theme song is like stuck in my head
forever now it'll never go away and I was thinking about how crazy that is that like
some person just made that theme and was like what do you guys think about this and they
were like yeah we like this a lot and now that's a song that I will never not hear it
will haunt my dreams forever and like it's it's I don't know like that's a wild thing
to be able to do so I would imagine that would be like the thing that you would have to do
to get a ten of make something hey don't flip me off.
Sorry about that I didn't know I'm just kidding.
That was a visual joke for all of you listening Rose just flipped me off double birds and
said he didn't mean to.
Yeah like comparing this to like other movies like other like movies that have gotten a
ten before is like Rocketman, Rise of Skywalker got a ten and that's just because John Williams,
Last Jedi got a ten, The Greatest Showman.
That was gonna be my examples is like it's got to be like musicals or John Williams course
like.
Psycho got a music ten.
Yeah but see and that's the thing like how do you make a song like outside of a Star
Wars like what really are like some just iconic themes like psycho is one of them like you
can never not hear Halloween like that's the thing like but but what really in recent memory
has been like super iconic that has just immediately gripped because what I mean listen you could
just say it's a person Lin-Manuel Miranda because he makes things he makes songs that
people like grab on to and won't let go of for like years at a time but they do end up
going away.
That was the last thing that we gave a ten to was in Kanto.
Yeah and by the way rightfully so like that was a great musical movie like in all like
original songs all original songs Lin-Manuel Miranda.
That guy old Spanish man you know I'm talking about Lin-Manuel Miranda go on.
So that's just kind of how we view the music score because it can also be audio like we
with like when it comes to horror movies it's like the use of silences or just the build
up or like the way that they try and get to like scare you like I feel like in the right
instance I feel like a scary movie could score a ten if they use silences in like a really
effective way.
I agree.
Still mad Caleb wouldn't let me give Halloween a ten.
You can do whatever you want.
I gave the matrix a hundred.
I think I did give it a ten.
But we round down.
You should have given it a ten I'm just saying.
I'm just saying you probably should have fought harder for it.
But here's what's crazy like to what you said earlier about Rose about liking the sequel
trilogy better or that's like your top trilogy like that is why that is actually why I like
The Mandalorian as much as I did because I grew up and my favorite is the original trilogy
and in the first episode of The Mandalorian within the first five seconds I was like this
sounds like Star Wars like this sounds like everything that I've ever known of Star Wars
and it's crazy that it's not it's it's not like it's something different and new that's
happening but it sounds like everything I remember Star Wars being and the sequel trilogy
was not that and I don't mean that in a bad way.
I mean that in like it was supposed to be like it wasn't supposed to be what we all
grew up with with the prequels and the originals.
It was supposed to be like the next step in that.
So no I mean I get it when it comes to audio but it's just funny because that that it was
audio that immediately made like The Mandalorian would have had to try and be terrible but
like just with how it sounded and I don't just mean the music either.
I just mean like even the sound effects like them going through Tatooine and you know just
hearing thing hearing familiar sounds.
It was so strange that it sounded like familiar.
So anyway I still give this movie an 8 for music.
All right like music and costumes we kind of have to be a little bit more like.
Lex no not that what's it.
Strict not strict.
I wouldn't we all agree unanimous area yeah we have to be a little bit more unanimous
on Jim Carrey makes this about a 10 then right because he carries the movie wardrobe wise
for sure.
Oh yeah.
Oh my God that that man outfit.
That could not have been more perfect but we also do include with animated characters
we do include like their character design as I tell you I would still give all of this.
I guess I technically have to give it a nine because you know Tom and the gang exist but
they.
I could be talked to up to a 10 I'll tell you that like I there's such a small part
of this.
I don't count them like my whole thing with costume.
Yeah my whole thing with costumes is I think I mean I've said it a billion times it feels
like if you have a good silhouette like that equals good costume for me.
Yes and the way that the that Sonic Knuckles and Tails were standing on that little rock
like the rubble heap or whatever.
Yeah that was that was the the silhouette.
Yes like that.
It was almost sad that they couldn't use that in the trailer.
Like I get it but like that that would have been like the thing to show in the trailer
I feel like.
Yeah fair enough.
So like yeah that was just I'm like yeah and then yeah Frigga Robotnik's outfits were just
perfection.
The only one I had a problem with was when he like absorbed the emerald I think that
he became Neo for a minute.
Yeah I like my only problem with that one was I'm like okay I think you should have
just had him wearing his his red and black suit just change all the red to green like
if that was what you were going for it.
Is that not what they did.
I thought that's exactly what happened.
So he had like like the weird squares like on his chest and when he changed into like
the the emerald form it became like a flat black like trench coat with like the green
highlights.
Yeah I thought yeah I guess I yeah I don't remember what I I don't know I thought it
was like a stripe right like wasn't it like a like almost like outlining like his chest
like a green stripe and I thought whenever he went back like whenever they knocked it
out of him it turned red again.
I swear it was the same.
I'm sure you're going to see it and be like yeah this was two totally different people
I don't even know why why you would say that.
By the way there was a part while you're looking for that there was a part near the beginning
I think it was right after they blasted through they blasted through Sonic's house him and
Knuckles and Robotnik or Jim Carrey got thrown and like did his little prat fall to the ground
and like you could tell there was one part where you could tell so bad it was a stunt
double that had like taken the fall and looked up and like did the little like fist shake
of you get back here Sonic or whatever he said.
But I don't know I thought that was hilarious.
I always listen I always look for whenever any actor I can't stop doing it now whenever
any actor is not whenever you can see them but you can't see their face like just because
I know that like I've heard so many stories of like oh you know they got the stand in
do the do the parts where they're not looking at their face like whenever you don't have
to see their face they usually have their stand in do that stuff.
So I'm always looking to see like oh is this right are they standing the same way are they
the same height or is it the same like whatever I don't know it's it's stupid I'm like trying
to break my own stupid reality of it but.
Okay I immediately take back what I said.
It is the exact same outfit.
Okay I was like wow I've gone insane.
It is it's just he has like like it's kind of like the his shoulders are red and his
sleeves are red and then he has like little the highlights of black but they changed all
the lining to be green and then just changed all the red to be black as well.
So you don't see like the sharp lines as as much.
Gotcha.
Yeah going like back and forth between the two it is very obvious it's the same same
jacket so I immediately take that back.
Sorry.
Yeah but still like great costume so.
Yeah no it still looked amazing everything that was on that dude looked amazing from
when he was on the mushroom planet to when he was getting toppled over in Mechagodzilla.
So I mean is everyone in the greens with 10 for sure.
Yeah yeah.
Hell yeah.
All right last up we got our own personal score so who wants to go first with that one.
I feel like Rose wants to go first.
I saw his mouth.
Sure I'd be happy to.
Overall oh my god this was an amazing sequel.
Like I said before this is how you do a sequel to a surprisingly hit first movie.
You bring in this much fan service and you actually pay it off you don't cram it all
in and like not make it make sense.
Just everything was great every character had really good screen time.
I hardly have any problems with the sequel it was just so freaking good.
So you know I'm going to go in 89.
Alrighty.
Do you want me to go next or do you want to go Caleb?
I can go.
I am going to be at a 92.
I had an absolute blast with this movie even though I had some major scene issues with
it.
I was so glad that I was alone because I was geeking out hard.
Like I was I was cheering and just like yes like out loud which I don't I feel like I
never do and when I watch movies at least in public.
So feeling like I could do that just gave me like a better sense of like I can just
sit back relax and enjoy this.
And it was just a blessing these characters from my childhood do the things that I've
always imagined that they would do.
It was just nostalgia as at its best and all just all the little fan servicey things that
they did with Gold Sonic with Shadow with I mean everything that they did that was just
fan service was just pure perfection and I loved every second of this movie and most
seconds of this movie.
I was going to be like wait a minute.
Yeah if you were scratched maybe like the 15-20 minute thing that we've talked about
this would be a damn near perfect movie for me.
Seriously take that out and it doesn't have to be a two hour movie.
True that.
I see myself like when this comes out like just skipping over that part.
Which is understandable you know.
So like I said sitting at a 92.
So I am going to give this movie a 95 because I really liked it a lot.
Like this is a movie that like I said before like it's it didn't there was nothing to
the game like as far as I was concerned with what I grew up with and these characters that
were in it like there was just like Knuckles was in it.
Tails was in it.
Sonic was the star and they just they ran left and right.
They did loop to loops every once in a while like it was crazy.
So there was no there was no idea of having like a story to this movie or for this movie
and the fact that there was anything was kind of I don't know.
It was it was better than we deserved for a Sonic movie considering the caliber of video
game movies that have come out before it.
Because I mean we just have been getting just trash really like and it's not it's not
necessarily anybody's fault other than the people that just want all the monies because
they're like well people seem to like this so let's just do this cash grab thing.
And even though this was probably that too I mean we're it seems like we're getting
luckier with the people that actually like care and grew up with these properties that
are like doing something with them.
It's funny because I joked about you doing Sonic fan fiction but this might have just
been somebody's like fan fiction that came to life.
They were just like what if Sonic lived with me and I got him pregnant.
We'll leave that part out.
I don't know.
This was just really good.
Like I I feel the same way about this these two movies as I felt about Detective Pikachu
because even though Pokemon like has this like you know rich background of the show
and the movies and all that stuff like I really thought that a live action version of it was
going to be hot garbage trash.
And it was like that movie really like surpassed my expectations and I feel kind of the same
way about this one is I really even with the redo of making him look better I was like
well this movie is still going to be terrible like there's there's going to be no redeeming
qualities.
And there were a lot of redeeming qualities it was a very good like this is a really good
movie.
Like you said Rose amazing sequel.
It shouldn't have been this good for a sequel let alone a video game movie.
So yeah good.
Ninety five I stand by that.
Can I change my score actually like I feel left out.
I talked it up.
I'm going to go and I want to actually get 91 for me.
Ninety one.
Yeah.
All right.
Well that averages us out to a ninety two point six six percent for for a personal score.
And with that that concludes this week's breakdown.
So the final all bros and untrained eye letter grade for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 has come to
a minus.
Oh yeah.
It is.
Oh it is so close.
So it is sitting at a ninety point six six percent.
That is so close to not making it.
But I'm so glad it did.
Yeah.
I mean this I was hoping this would at least get like a C C plus.
So a minus is amazing.
Yeah.
All right.
So sitting at a ninety point six six percent that puts it below promising young woman which
was at a ninety point seven five.
That's below Tusk which is at a ninety point seven nine is below turning red which is at
a ninety point eight seven.
It is below the untrained eyes slash crash and has score for Spider-Man Far From Home.
What's up Vic.
Which you guys had at a ninety point nine three percent.
Oopsie and then it is finally below how to train your dragon the hidden world which is
at a ninety one percent.
I got to watch those movies.
Everyone says those movies are amazing.
I've not seen a one of those training your dragon movies.
Do do yourself a favor please.
Yeah they're pretty good.
All right go on the other direction.
This put here we go.
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is above Little Women which is at a ninety point six one.
It is above nineteen seventeen which is at a ninety point three seven.
I mean listen you got to think of it this way Rose.
You're looking at a real bummer.
I've never seen 1917.
I know it's a war movie.
Probably a bummer.
Yeah you also got to think it's only a point three percent difference.
Oh no I'm not mad.
Like honestly I can't remember.
I still haven't gone back and watched 1917 again and honestly I don't think if I ever
will whereas like with Sonic the Hedgehog 2 I will be watching this movie multiple multiple
times.
Oh yeah for sure.
Let's see it is above us which is at a ninety point two five.
It is also above soul which is also at a ninety point two five.
And then finally it is above the matrix which is at a ninety point two four.
Sorry.
You know that's the way the frickin cookie crumbles.
The only the only score that has ever been bestowed upon the all brothers that doesn't
make any sense is that frickin dork that wrongly did Scott Pilgrim.
That frickin guy.
I forget what score we had that before.
Like I'm pretty sure it was at an A minus before.
Didn't you say that.
What was that guy's name.
Is that the brocken guy.
Brucker.
Frickin Brucker dude.
Take your frickin horror podcast and shove it up your ace man.
Because then you give that a C minus.
That is going to be a point of contention for me forever with this guy.
So we we gave it like an A an A minus which is correct.
Really high A minus.
It was barely not cracking in a when we scored it when he scored it like his personal score
like when he went through and did all the scores he gave it an F.
And because we like average it out that's why it's like at a C.
What's crazy about that is like if you were just to take just the video game movies and
put them in their hierarchy where they belong like Scott Pilgrim is in the top five like
hands down unless you're going like it has to be a video game first and then a movie.
But I mean there's a video game for Scott Pilgrim now anyway.
I own it.
So like it counts.
That's just crazy.
Like how does this guy have such bad opinions.
Brucker.
What is the matter with you bro.
Like does this guy have a family that you know of.
Are they OK.
Do you need to check on them.
That is an excellent question.
I mean last I saw he's happily married.
Yeah.
To who.
Like lady take this man to the frickin crazy bin.
You frickin.
I just need to know why he gave it an F. That's what I got to know.
Like was he just having a bad day.
That's it.
That's the only thing you have to be having a bad day.
Do you want me to send you the link to his review of Scott Pilgrim.
Creative but I also don't know that I might not end up direct messaging this guy.
I mean like hey man.
What the heck is wrong with you.
Did Michael Cera did you go to high school with him and he like punched you in the face
or something.
Like what is your problem.
So he.
He stopped doing the show that he did that review on a while ago.
But the feed is still up on Spotify.
I'll send it to you.
But he's super cool.
So like if you message him like.
Yeah that'd be good.
By the way.
Brucker you should know I jest.
OK Vic and I are actually friends.
OK we're not really enemies.
You do you do have terrible Scott Pilgrim opinions.
I'll never come off that.
But I'm sure you're a fine upstanding not serial serial killer kind of guy.
Just for shits and gales.
Oh yeah.
Where was Sonic.
Yeah.
The first Sonic the Hedgehog was at an eighty three point eight one percent which put it
at a B.
Yeah I would stand by that if I were you.
I would too.
I mean listen for what it was for like what it ended up being you could if you were just
going to throw all bets out the window like you could call it an A only because it like
it should have been an F. So theoretically like it deserves an A for that.
But I mean if we were what it was if we would have gotten the exact same movie just with
that horrendous that muskrat face.
Frickin Sonic yeah.
Yeah.
Like I don't see it affecting the score that much.
Well that's what I was saying.
I'd be giving the effects like a two.
Yeah.
OK.
Fair.
But that's the thing like the that's what I was trying to say before is like they clearly
didn't have to change the story.
Like they just had to change the effects of Sonic.
So like the bones of it were still there and it was a good movie.
I would definitely watch it again.
But yeah no I think that's exactly right.
From my understanding the special like they had a lot of this like the only special effects
that were completely done with that design were the ones that we saw in the trailer.
I would believe that I would believe that if they didn't push it back like a couple
months after the backlash.
Yeah.
Well they pushed it back to do like a full replacement of the character because like
the movie how close was the movie to like coming out is like a month or two.
Yeah.
It wasn't far and they pushed it back quite a bit to be like just kidding.
We'll we'll think about this a little longer.
Yeah.
I mean that makes sense because you're like completely redoing everything.
I want to find out in 10 years that this was a ploy because that was one of the conspiracy
theories that went around that they put that out just to like drum up you know what's the
word like heat on that movie because people were going to be like this is ridiculous.
You need to make it look like Sonic.
I can't imagine anyone would gamble like that because that's a stupid thing to gamble on
but people have done dumber things.
So I would love if that ended up being.
Dude I wouldn't even be mad.
I wouldn't be mad in the slightest.
Every.
Did you lose me.
Yeah just for now we're good.
Sorry what did you say.
I don't even know.
I thought you could hear me and I was like wow I'm what I must have said was very impactful.
I'm sorry.
My Wi-Fi was just acting up again.
I'm so sorry.
I want to blame you know what.
It's not his Wi-Fi folks.
It's my Wi-Fi.
I'm terrible.
I'm sorry.
I have Florida Wi-Fi and it's terrible.
There's alligators running all through it.
Well anyway like I said that concludes this headliner.
So Rose if you want to take it from here.
I would love to.
So if you like what you heard want to follow and subscribe to us wherever you listen to
podcasts we are damn near everywhere.
DJ would you like to tell everybody where they can find you.
Yes I would.
You can find us being pretty you know hmm how would I describe how would you describe
my my internet comings and goings here recently.
Caleb that is an excellent question.
I'll tell you this I haven't posted on Instagram or Twitter in like 10 episodes and here's
what's really crazy.
This is what I'm going to talk about on my show.
So spoiler alert I haven't posted in like 10 episodes and do you know how much it's
changed our listenership.
Guess like zero none none at all.
It hasn't gone up or down.
So you can find us on on all the social media platforms at untrained iPod.
That's E Y E P O D. And if you if I have five people DM me different people and they just
go hey man we want to see what kind of posts you would post if you posted then I'll start
posting again.
But otherwise I'm going to throw up a story every now and then on Instagram and I'll like
your tweets on Twitter or if you want to get on if you want to get on pretty consistent
if you want to like if you want to like get on me and Caleb's algorithm you can hit me
up on Tick Tock and I will send you all the Tick Tocks all of them.
They're pretty great.
I can I can vouch for that.
I try and send like the frickin elite ones.
So yeah I occasionally get a little loosey goosey with the stuff that I send.
Oh yeah.
By the way I don't know why.
Because it's late.
Like don't let everything I just said throw that out the window.
Yeah I'm terrible on social media but you know where I'm great is with my wife on the
untrained iPod cast that I didn't even mention at all.
Beth and I do the show.
Beth has been on the show this show a couple of times as well.
And yeah it's a great show.
People seem to like it consistently whether we post or not.
So come on through.
Give it a listen.
I didn't even talk about Russia or Ukraine on like the last two episodes.
So there you go.
The most under.
I don't think though.
Like I know you.
You know.
Blah blah blah.
Yes.
I know that you.
Titled the episode.
What she titled it.
But I don't say that.
I don't think.
No I don't think that your.
Your joke got enough love.
Wait which are you talking about.
The whole like black lightning and I want to be his sidekick vanilla thunder.
I love it.
I was in the bathroom at work.
I heard that and I.
I started laughing my ass off.
Well can I tell you there's a song it's called there's a song by Ben Folds five called draw
crowd and he at the very end of that song he's like I only wanted to be Stevie Wonder
but I had to settle for this vanilla thunder and I always thought vanilla thunder was a
hilarious thing to say and so when I heard black lightning I was like that vanilla thunder
would be a great sidekick.
Oh.
Oh man.
So those are the kind of high jinx you're going to get over at the untrained eye.
And it's great.
Every every week.
Dude I love your guys show so much.
And us you.
If you if you prefer to catch all of our episodes on YouTube we also not videos oh my god.
If you prefer to catch our episodes on YouTube you can also listen there we upload them there
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And that's also a great way to let us know that you would like to join us because we
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Caleb what is next week because I can't remember now.
Wait I have one quick question.
Yeah.
We have any Monster House updates.
We have had two sales.
I'm just saying like it doesn't stop.
Dude it doesn't stop.
Oh god I love it.
I'm trying to switch over our merch shop to Teespring but it is so much freaking work.
I have 200 episodes worth of episode art to go through.
It's like shit and then like I'm making new ones too so I'm like jeez.
Like I have so many shirt designs like ready to be like converted into like the actual
like size and everything for shirts.
I haven't done it.
Oh I know it's not a thing anymore but maybe you could make like how you do the little
animations now.
You could make Albrose NFTs.
Oh man.
I'm just kidding.
I think NFTs are over.
I think they did you hear about.
Did you hear what happened.
So Jack the Twitter CEO he like made his first tweet into a NFT and it went on to he wanted
to try and sell it for I want to say something.
We'll just say an arbitrary million number which was like we'll say 40 million or 400
million something crazy.
The highest bid that came in for that NFT guess just guess.
I'll give you a hint.
It's what it's about what I thought Rose had invested on his Gacy merch.
Oh just like 2500.
It was like 3600 bucks.
That was what came in.
So I think NFTs are over.
That one artist who freaking sold like 60 million dollars worth of good for him.
Him and Beeple.
That Beeple dude that makes that weird art that I like very much.
Oh that was him.
That was who I was talking about.
Oh yeah dude that guy made multiple millions of dollars.
Yeah.
I'm so sorry.
All right.
I'm sorry.
So no.
All right.
I mean what sorry Caleb what did you say next week's episode is.
Oh it's it's called Stone Cold.
Not the wrestler.
You're doing that next week.
Yeah.
Are you guys just doing it or has been coming on.
As far as I'm aware Ben is coming on.
God thank you.
This or I actually I got a preview of it.
Oh my God.
Please like I am not usually the one to be like go watch a movie because I you know I
don't know people have different tastes.
Go watch this movie please.
I just saw the trailer for it.
Please watch it.
It's going to be amazing.
You guys almost can't not love this movie.
It's it's yes it's going to be Stone Cold.
All right.
Well yeah that will do it.
I'm so sorry.
No you're kidding.
I'm horrible at any of these things.
It's been the all bros podcast.
I am Jonathan and I'm Caleb and I'm your baby brother.
I love it.
And we will see you guys next week.
Bye bye everybody.
Oh sure.
I thought you were going to do Herbert.
Sorry.
No no you're good.
I don't think I could do it.
Sorry.
Deuces.
So long.
There we go.
DJ's got it for me.