What is up bros?
Welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I'm Caleb and unfortunately Rose is not here this week.
But we do have a very special guest joining us today.
Ben from the Angry Dad Podcast.
Angry Dad Podcast.
Ben, like, would you like to introduce yourself?
Oh yeah.
Hey, I'm the Angry Motherfucking Dan and thank you for having me on, brother.
I appreciate it.
You know what I'm saying?
Me and Caleb like to share TikToks all day.
Oh yeah.
Dude, like, I feel like, like you and DJ are the ones that I send like the most TikTok
or the only people I send TikToks to.
But I went like a little while.
I think it might have been on yours, but like sending like a ton in a row without like anything
back and I was like, oh shit, did they stop using TikTok?
Like, now I feel silly.
I wouldn't because I do it all the time, man.
Every time I see something funny, I don't even think about send DJ send send, like no
context here.
And it's always good.
So I can't, you know, I'm saying I'm like, I know this is fire.
And so when I know I'm going to be Sammy, I'm like, it's going to be good.
Yeah, you're the TikToks you send are great.
Like, I think there's only been like a couple that I've missed and it's just because I'll
click on it and be like video no longer available.
Yeah.
Sometimes it happens like that because sometimes it should be like, oh, OK, all of a sudden.
Oh, hi, baby.
Yeah, because I'm working on my second TikTok now where it's like because the first one
got banded and then now I'm like, OK, now I got a you know, I had a nice following on
TikTok and tickled.
I was like, no more.
You got to love that stuff, man.
I do like the videos that I'll see you post, though, like the ones with your dogs are great.
Oh, yeah.
And let me tell you right now, I can say I have two pit bulls, one's retarded and one's
stupid.
So, you know, I'm saying, you know, one one beefy, he's my brown one and he just has his
shitty grin on his face 24 7.
It's just what it is.
He's just like this just like numb to the world.
Like not give me a cookie.
And then my other dog, he'll just look at me, look at him, be like, why is he does?
Why is he so dumb?
Oh, you got to love those dogs even more, though.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, he's just like, oh, it's just I treat those dogs better than I treat my kids.
That's usually the case.
I mean, you know, that's definitely true for my for my parents, dogs.
I think they got treated way better than we did.
Oh, yeah.
I go to the store like the kids are all we need this.
I'm not the dogs needed treats.
Sorry.
Oh, well, this week we don't have anything in 4K spotlight.
I don't think because Rose isn't here and that's his job.
And we don't have anything to discuss in through the wall.
So I said we get straight into this week's breakdown to talk about this interesting movie.
Yes.
Interesting.
Yes.
And you know, the store I've tried to get so many people to watch this movie with me
because, you know, I do have a second podcast where it's called your dad's action movie
podcast and this falls into it so heavily.
But I'd be like, hey, watch this movie, come join me.
And everyone's like, OK, and then never respond.
And then I threw it at I threw it towards you and you're like, yes, let's sign this
up.
I'm always down for a good recommendation.
Like, I mean, the movies that we've discussed, like we get all types of movies, like we get
like ones that are really good recommended to us.
We get ones that are super shitty recommended to us.
Like, we're down for anything.
Like if there's a movie that someone thinks is worth watching, like we'll watch the hell
out of it.
Everyone has those little gems in their pocket.
We're like, oh, you didn't know.
Oh, but yeah, this was this was an interesting one.
But yeah, like let's say we get right into it.
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Alright, well if you guys haven't figured it out by the title of this episode, we are
going to be breaking down, oh shit what year was it?
1991?
Yeah, 1991's Stone Cold.
Not the wrestler.
Nope, not, dude that's what I thought at first.
When you sent me the TikTok, I was just like, wait, isn't Steve Austin supposed to be the
guy in this?
But no, this is a completely different movie.
Completely, completely.
Oh my gosh, so yeah, Stone Cold came out in 1991.
That's what we'll be breaking down this week.
And if you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final All Bros and Angry Dad letter grade.
The eight categories that we are going to score are story, writing, acting, character
development, effects, music, costumes, and then at the end give it our own personal grade.
All of those numbers get magically thrown into our algorithm and spits out a letter
grade for us.
Yeah, sometime.
Yeah, so, oh I guess I have to read this synopsis.
Hold on.
This is usually Rose's job.
He's not here to pull his weight.
Yeah, I know, right?
All right, let's see here.
All right, here we go.
So if you have not seen Stone Cold, we are about to spoil the entire freaking movie for
you.
In one shot.
So I mean, you've had a significant amount of time to watch this.
So more than a significant amount of time.
Yeah, so this is more your fault at this point, but I blame you.
Yeah, so getting into the synopsis.
Joe Huff is a tough Alabama cop who is frustrated with a system that handles criminals with
kid gloves.
Currently, Joe is suspended for displaying excessive violence towards criminals.
After stopping a supermarket robbery, Joe is summoned by FBI agent Cunningham, who proceeds
to blackmail him into going undercover by threatening to turn Joe's three-week suspension into six
months without pay.
Cunningham wants Joe to go undercover in Mississippi and infiltrate the Brotherhood, a white supremacist
biker gang linked to the murders of government officials and suspected of dealing drugs to
the mafia, due to his proficiency in criminal biker arrests.
The Brotherhood is led by the rough and violent Chains Cooper.
Joe goes undercover as John Stone, but his job is not easy.
His FBI contact Lance is a germaphobe who does not exactly fit in with the biker crowd,
and the members of the Brotherhood, especially Chains, have their suspicion about John Stone,
who has seemingly come out of nowhere to get a piece of their action.
Tasked with killing a man as his initiation, Joe enlists the FBI's help to carefully fake
the murder and is accepted into the Brotherhood.
However, Chains's right-hand man Ice Hensley does not trust Joe and eventually tries to
expose him, leading to Ice's death in a high-speed motorcycle chase.
During the operation, Joe learns that the Brotherhood's ultimate goal is to eliminate
Brent the Whip Whipperton, a district attorney running for governor of Mississippi, who has
promised to crack down on crime within the state.
They plan to use a cache of stolen military weapons to storm the Supreme Court meeting
at the Mississippi State Capitol, where one of their own is on trial for murder and assassinate
both Whipperton and the judges presiding over the case.
When Chains's girlfriend Nancy accidentally learns about Joe's identity, he confides in
her and offers her immunity if she cooperates with the FBI.
Though resistant at first, Nancy accepts his offer, but the operation fails when the man
Joe had supposedly killed to gain admission to the Brotherhood suddenly returns.
In retaliation, Chains shoots and kills Nancy, but plans to do away with Joe in a more spectacular
fashion by strapping a bomb to his chest and throwing him from a helicopter en route to
the Capitol.
Joe manages to fight his way free and commandeer the chopper, then takes the fight inside the
Capitol where a melee erupts between the Brotherhood and the local police.
Chains uses an automatic rifle that was planted inside the courtroom to kill a government
agent, two security guards, and all of the Supreme Court judges before taunting Whipperton
and killing him as well.
As Chains rallies his biker brother and Joe battles his way through the ranks of the gang
until finally coming face to face with Chains.
Joe easily wins the fight and leaves the gang leader in police custody, but Chains suddenly
breaks free and steals an officer's gun, intending to shoot Joe.
A gunshot is heard and Chains abruptly falls to the ground having been shot by Joe's partner
Lance.
Joe then marches stoically from the Capitol.
We get our synopsis from Wikipedia.
They're pretty in depth.
That one was like literally, did not skip AB.
Oh man dude.
Starting off with story.
When you're reading it as a whole, like I just did, it's not half bad.
It is.
I told my wife this is the most 90s action movie that I think I've ever seen.
This is like I said, I do an action movie podcast that's in my time and this is the
definition of what a true action movie is.
This movie did not, it didn't take any time to freaking like breathe.
It was just action sequence after the action.
Yeah.
That's what blew me away.
Yeah.
On the Oculus, I wasn't ready for it because like when that first scene happens with the
shotgun, it's like literally, I'm like, you know what I'm saying?
It threw me back because I'm so used to watching it on TV, but with the Oculus, it was so in
my face that I was like, because the whole first scene starts off with a shotgun.
Right.
Dude, that's what I love about watching it on the Oculus because you get that freaking
theatrical experience with it.
Like you said, I was taken aback by it too.
When I saw the freaking gunshot, I jumped and I was like, oh shit, did I miss something?
Yeah.
But nope, that's just how the movie starts.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
It is insane.
It's kind of funny that I'm not sure if they did this on purpose or whatnot.
I seem to forget that he was a cop.
Yeah.
Like just the crazy shit that he would do.
I'm just like, oh, he's just like a crazy biker dude.
Yeah.
Well, he had the biker look, he had the bike, like even the whole beginning grocery scene,
you know what I'm saying?
He walks in and he's just playing a smooth bad ass where he's like, no, I got this shit
and he's eating a cookie and he was like, I'll pay for it, bro.
With a shotgun in his face, like, don't worry about it, my bad.
And then, you know, then fucks the dude up and it's just like, you know what I'm saying?
And then you're like, a cop wouldn't do that.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Dude, that is the moment I feel like I knew what I was in for when he got the shotgun to
his face and he's just like, yo, I'll pay for it.
And like, that is honestly probably the reaction that I might have because I'd be, it's either
I would just freeze up and like pass out or I'd have to make a joke out of the situation.
Yeah, exactly.
You got to break the ice somehow.
And like I said, it's just like the whole, just, just, it's so, it's written in a way
where it's like it has to, it's taking itself seriously, but yet it's almost being candid.
And it's like, it just like it flows right the way it was done.
It's just like, there's no, like I just said, there's no, there's no time to breathe, but
it transitions just flawlessly almost through the whole movie.
Yeah.
They do a really good job with that.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like when he's meeting up with like the, with the brotherhood, like it was
kind of hard to tell like what the brotherhood were about a little bit, just near the beginning.
Like you slowly kind of get into it like later.
Oh yeah.
Once you get into the compound.
Yeah.
Like definitely once you, once you get there.
And there's so much nudity in this man.
There's titties everywhere.
There was so much dude.
And they, they started off fricking like weird with Huff going to take a shower and he's
in like the tiniest little.
Oh yeah.
He's, he's, he's wearing old, like old school, like, like briefs where they're like, it's
like a strap over the hip, but it's like a loin cloth and it's like, did we need to see
that?
You know what though?
They're trying, they're, they're, they're playing both parts.
You know what I'm saying?
Like we got to get the women in here because they love the bars and they want to see the
bars and you know what I'm saying?
That's just what it is.
Go deal.
They love a good bad guy.
Oh man.
Yeah.
Like I said, this movie just hits hits off with just pure nineties.
Like, okay, this is what you're in for.
That protein shake he makes in the morning is the whole reason I remember this movie
because like, I always remember him just like to bananas, you know, just literally cracking
eggs and just throwing the shells in there, you know, and it's, it's not for him to drink,
but he does taste it.
And he's just, and he gives it to, he literally has a monitored lizard and he's just like,
there you go.
Couldn't have a dog, but a lizard named Fido, like viral.
There you go.
And has a full on conversation moment with this, with this whole, that literally picks
him up.
Like you pick up and talk face to face, like, come on, bro, do your job, eat your food.
Dude, this, this movie, and that's the last time you see it.
Oh my gosh, dude.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is the reason that we have the, the nineties, like if this
was the movie that's kicked off, like, Oh, this is a 90 style action movie.
Cause like the difference between this and something from like the, the eighties is so
wildly different.
So, so much different, but yeah, just to how they checked your expectations when you're
like, okay, he's talking to his dog.
Oh shit.
That's a fricking dragon.
You know what I'm saying?
It's huge too.
And it's not fake, it looks like it, but it's not.
Nope.
That's what was super surprising about it too.
I'm like, Oh, that's like a, a live lizard.
I would not put my face that fucking close.
That was insane.
And isn't that, that, um, the protein shake that he was making, wasn't that the, the tick
tock you sent me?
Yeah, that's exactly what I sent you.
I was like, exactly it, cause it's so iconic.
People always Google it.
Cause like, it's just one of those moments in the movie where like, it's like, that's
so ridiculous.
You know what I'm saying?
But also too, I've seen people make shakes like that and drink them.
Oh my gosh.
Um, kind of getting further into the movie.
Like after, when he's like doing the initiation to the, the brotherhood, one of the most like
just absurd things that I saw was, or noticed was the dude he was supposed to kill, they
just send him off to some like different country.
They couldn't detain him.
Yeah.
Don't ever come back.
You know, and that, that guy's claim to fame, that person he, it's funny too.
Cause like, he literally like take a bow, hits, puts him on his shoulders, walks straight
out the club.
But that guy was played the kickboxer in the Van Damme movie Bloodsport.
So like that's literally his, that guy's claim to fame with Stone Cold and this right here.
Yeah, dude, the pacing on this movie was super fast.
Oh yeah.
Like it was just, they didn't waste any time doing transitions.
Like they just went from like one, like I said, one action sequence to the next.
Yep.
Like anything that they talked about, like, Oh, we're, we're going to be doing like, you
need to get in with the brotherhood.
Okay.
Boom.
And then next thing you know, it's like, I mean, he's getting in.
That's it.
You know what I'm saying?
And it's just, it's like the tran, the, the transition was just so fast.
And then what I love too is like, uh, the whole getting into the brotherhood right before
he got into the brotherhood and there was a biker rally shows the bike, pulls up into
his, with his busted van bike on the trailer, like anybody would do at a rally.
They just be like, all right, pull up.
And he fucking, you know what I'm saying?
Beats ice in a motorcycle drag race, piss the fuck off and then fucking goes into a
circle pit and fucking beats the biggest dude up.
And they're like, all right, we like you.
And that guy was way bigger than him too.
There is way bigger than him.
I think that this movie kind of served to like this movie did not try and humble his
character at all.
Yeah.
He was a juggernaut in this whole fucking movie.
You know what I'm saying?
He was like, no, nobody gets in my way.
Yeah.
Like he goes as far as getting shot in the chest with a fucking bulletproof vest on and
then he still tries to fight everybody.
You know what I'm saying?
He first gets up, slams the boss.
He's like, what the fuck?
He's all you're in.
Like what the fuck?
Yeah.
This movie was just a crazy wild ride and just kind of getting into like what I would
score this story.
I mean, it's not perfect by any means, but it's a good story.
That's the crazy part.
Like reading the synopsis helped a lot because I was like, okay, there was some things that
were a little bit confusing.
And I think where I was getting confused when I was watching, it was just pacing.
Like, oh shit, like they jumped really quick into that.
One thing that kind of got me with Nancy, I thought he had already told her, maybe it
was just like, I couldn't hear it properly, but didn't he admit to her that he was a cop?
No, he was trying to.
And it was like the restaurant scene where they're eating and she's breaking down because
she just seen the two people get murdered, you know what I'm saying, that are national
guard and she was like, fuck this shit.
This and this and this.
He's like, come on, let's go talk.
And so he was getting ready to break it down, but his partner happened to slip him a note
and said, hey, meet me over here and talk.
And so that whole conversation died.
And then he's like, you got to trust me.
I'll get you out of here.
And then that was the end of that.
But then, like I said, she didn't find she literally didn't find out until the truck
heist.
And when you know, and then first of all, in the truck heist, why would you use a CB
fucking radio to be like, Joe, you know what I'm saying?
What's going on?
You know what I'm saying?
Like you're mother like hitting his face here.
Like you can see him like you just blew my fucking cover.
What the fuck happened to fucking wait till I call you?
You know what I'm saying?
Well, you know, anybody could have been in this truck with me.
Yeah.
Um.
Did like Nancy and Joe, they had a they had a conversation at the compound, like right
before they went on this mission.
So he was talking about, you know, he wanted to come in and she wanted to get and he wanted
is I'm coming here to get what I want and then I'm out.
But if you play your cards right and you follow my rules, I'll take you with me until you
do that for me.
Yes.
And then that's what that's what led up to the whole dinner scene.
OK, I thought that was after.
There might have been after that might have been out.
Yeah, because I was killed at that moment in time.
So yeah, because he was gone all day because of that.
So it was later that day right before the heist.
Yeah.
So I think that's where I might have gotten confused because then she like all I heard
was her like asked like, oh, are you cop?
And it kind of he was whispering a little bit.
So it kind of sounded like he was admitting it.
And then she was just keeping her mouth shut.
And I'm like, OK, like, let's see where this goes.
And then like went later when they were in the in the truck and she's just like, you're
a cop.
I'm like, wait, didn't he just tell you?
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing, too, is like, you know, people should be able to put two and
two together.
But the thing is, is we're not in the perspective.
We're watching the movie happen.
So we already know, you know what I'm saying?
But she's playing off the perspective.
She's still naive.
But at least that's how I feel about it.
Right.
Yeah, there was a bunch like.
OK, was there also.
With ice.
Was there another dude that looked exactly like?
Yes.
And I can't remember his name, but he had long black hair with a mustache, too.
But he just he just wasn't he was literally just a side guy and wasn't even like, you
know, I think he was like labeled henchman one or something like that in the credits.
But yeah, there was another guy that looked just like him.
He was just a little thinner.
Dude, that bugged the shit out of me.
I'm like, you're someone needs to get fired for that one because like it was right after
the the the ice funeral scene.
Yeah.
Like and then he was right back.
He's like, yeah.
And he's like in the back.
I'm like, is that ice?
Oh, yeah, no, no, they did have somebody that was like that that looked similar to him,
you know, I'm saying, but also to like it was similar enough where it shouldn't have
looked like him.
Yeah.
And we'll get into it with costumes because I have some like thoughts and ice is like
the main thing.
Oh yeah.
Well, that motorcycle trip.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, overall, like like I said, it was just really quickly paced and especially for an
hour and a half movie.
Yeah.
Like if it feels like you got like a shit ton of story just kind of crammed into what
you did here, what you did.
But the thing is, too, is like it was nothing was wasted.
That's the part.
You know what I'm saying?
Like just like you said, it moved fast, never stopped.
The thing is, is every scene meant something, so there was really not that much filler in
between things.
You know what I'm saying?
So like you they was able to really hammer the story out without skipping a beat.
Yeah, like they just I think they just took the editing to this story to the extreme,
like any like pan out, like shots of like the scenery there, like now get rid of it.
And it was just like nothing but story didn't give you all that.
Any room to breathe.
All of it.
And if there's not a person in the picture, I don't want it in there.
Oh, man.
Yeah, the only.
I think I don't quite understand why they why they killed those guard guardsmen.
With the guards, what it was is they were trying to heighten security because they were
trying to put more like at least from what I remember and what I was watching, they were
trying to get more people to have eyes on what they were going to do because it was
going to be this spectacular, like, you know, Sundance Sundance and Butch Cassidy fucking
showdown where everybody's going to die.
But you know, they're sacrificing, you know, they're sacrificing everybody to get the person
that's in there out.
You know what I'm saying?
And everyone that's what everyone wanted, because everything's supposed to be for the
greater good of the brotherhood.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like at the end of the day, with the plan laid out, who in the fuck really expected
to get out?
You know, I'm saying they had a helicopter to escape.
But the thing is, is everyone's got to hold down the Fort Well, those people in a helicopter
escape.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that whole like I know the ultimate goal was was to try and kill the whip.
Yeah.
But it it it came it almost came across like they pulled that whole stunt off to go and
save that one guy.
Yeah.
And that's exactly how it felt.
You know what I mean?
That seems excessive.
Very.
But the thing is, too, is like he was supposed to be the leader leader.
You know what I'm saying?
You know, like that's how I felt it was like the bike.
That person was supposed to be the one calling the shots and chain was literally supposed
to be the second in command.
And the other guy was sergeant at arms.
So he would almost be the vice president vice president of the of the of the biker club.
You know, I'm saying at least that's how I was feeling it was supposed to come off as.
OK.
Yeah, I didn't.
Yeah, I didn't quite know if if that was the case.
That's the only angle that I can see it being how they were trying to set it up, because
otherwise why would you try to save that one guy if you're just trying to kill the dude?
You could have easily done in any other fashion because these guys had explosions.
They killed a judge.
They killed a lawyer with explosions.
You know what I'm saying?
Like literally, they blew up a guy going fishing.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, he he had a little boat and he turned on the motor and boom in the conversation.
You could have easily killed that guy in any other fashion.
Yeah.
So, I mean, that just kind of felt a little bit too.
Hard to track like, OK, what was their goal?
Is their goal to get this guy out?
Is it to kill these people?
Like what what's your deal?
Exactly.
It did get a little muddy at that moment in time because you're like, I don't quite understand
like because even to is like if this is all they're going to do, then why did the president
even have their own chain even have to go if, you know, they were just going to go in
there and murder everybody?
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Otherwise, but honestly, too, like I said, you know, with plot armor, he had to go.
You know what I'm saying?
That's the movie.
Yeah.
So I mean, I don't know if I if I missed it, but.
Did we know that that guy was in jail?
Oh, yeah.
I thought in the beginning when they there was a whole murder that happened and someone
seen it.
And then so they arrested just that because like once they somebody got murdered, they
can only arrest one person.
So they arrested that one person, charged them.
And then they had a big old like news conference, you know, because they had a lot of news clips
going on in the background in the news clips like we were able to charge just one member
and we got him.
And I want the death penalty because they killed this person.
OK.
She said.
That just brings up some issues for me now.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Like I said, it's a whole the story is great.
But the thing is, is there's going to be holes.
But you know, like I said, in the concept and then this is just this is just how I always
feel about movies is there's got to be a couple of holes in there that just need to be filled.
You know what I'm saying?
So like, guess what?
We we need we just need a reason for this.
There it is.
You know what I'm saying?
All right.
The movie moves along.
No one pays attention.
OK.
Yeah.
From what?
Yeah.
Yeah, from what I was understanding, because it seemed like they were going on like a killing
spree and then they were only able to like catch that that one guy in that.
Well, the so I did.
We were like when they killed the judge and they killed that lawyer, it's because they
convicted that guy.
OK.
And then WIP came in like they killed the judge, they killed the lawyer.
I want the death penalty.
You know what I'm saying?
Because he was originally going in there for a different murder.
And so they're like, no, because this is what they're doing.
I'm going to keep appealing until I get the death penalty.
OK.
That's I thought he was going after the entire club or like the entire brotherhood.
I didn't think he was going straight after that one dude.
Yeah.
See, they're trying to go after the entire brotherhood, but they couldn't.
You know what I'm saying?
They can only charge the one person.
So they're like, nope, one at a time.
And so that's kind of, you know, how they were looking at it, like they're trying to
make an example of us, not fucking us.
Yeah.
OK.
So I think I'll I might dock more on writing because that's just like story details.
Yeah, that's very you know, that's that's like that's fine tooth comb right there.
Like that's like, you know, like, all right, I had a question here and still didn't get
answered.
You know what I'm saying?
There's there's but with any movie you do that happens regardless, you know what I'm
saying?
There's going to be parts that that parts that just fizzle out and then it just needs
to be moved on.
Right.
So for right now with story, I'm I'm I'm just going to be docking for like the pacing issues
that I had with it, because overall it was a pretty decent story.
Yeah.
Not perfect.
I think.
Like I said, the pacing just made things a little bit too quick.
I don't didn't feel like I could sit and like think on things for a minute.
Yeah, it's just new info after new info after new info.
And it's just kind of like it just overloaded.
And so it was like and like how I'll get into writing.
It just like made it really hard to follow.
At least for me, maybe my attention span is just absolute garbage.
Well, you're talking to a vet that's seen so many action movies, you know what I'm saying?
So it's like, you know, it's I'm used to that pacing and I'm used to that, that that
hurry up and go, you know?
So it's like this is my wheelhouse of movies here.
Right.
Huh.
Plus, I've seen it a billion fucking times.
Yeah, I think I'm going to I'm sitting at like.
Maybe like a seventy nine ish.
Well, you're close to me for for story.
Where are you at?
I'm at eighty one.
Eighty one.
Yeah, that's it's not a bad score, not a bad score at all for this.
So that averages us out to an eighty.
Getting into writing, this is where I'm going to kind of tear it apart.
The the dial was super intense, like all the time.
Yeah, it was down.
It was literally dialed to a nine almost every scene.
Yeah, it is.
Everyone has crazy much.
Everyone especially like when we first get that introduction to chains.
Yeah.
It was just the way that they or ice ice.
He was way too intense for me.
Like just some gun in the face is what and like do something.
Yeah.
You're going to use that stick.
Yeah, it was.
It was a lot.
No, it definitely like I said, but also to like.
It's that level of craziness that the characters have to have to make the make the movie work.
You know what I'm saying?
Because, you know, no one wants to see a regular bad guy.
Everyone wants to see a psychopath.
And, you know, chains was a psychopath, but he was a cool, calm, collected psychopath.
You know what I'm saying?
And then you then you get ice ice is like, nope, everybody needs to know I'm crazy.
Everyone needs to know I'm the baddest fucking dude in the fucking room and everyone needs
to know that I'll kill them.
And I've known people in real life that are like that.
What threw me off or something that that didn't sit right with me is when Joe was sit or talking
about, OK, I need to find an in and he caused some some stuff like I thought he was trying
to get ice's attention.
Yeah.
And then he's like, I like I need an in.
Like, what's my what's my in?
And then he goes and fricking harasses him.
Well, but in biker in biker terms and talks, you know, you got a peacock.
You know what I'm saying?
And you know, if you don't show that you're a badass, no one's going to give a fuck about
you.
So like he walked over there like, you know, I'm going to push him a little bit and see
where it goes.
You know what I'm saying?
And honestly, like the one part that I thought is when he pushed him, the other guy that
was with him, his name was Guts.
And he was like, you know, very timid, you know, like he was like basically the full
of the group.
And so when that fight started happening and ice got called in to help the stripper and
Guts got knocked out and fucking Joe fucking just saved his ass, I thought that was going
to be his end, but it ended up not even going that I thought it was like wasted part there.
Like they could have used that, you know what I'm saying?
Because they give that guy so much sympathy in the movie that like I thought it was just
a wasted end.
They could have definitely used that character a little bit more to kind of like, I'm vouching
for this dude.
I'm in the crew.
This dude just saved me.
You know what I'm saying?
I thought that a little bit more used, but it just kind of just got fizzled out there.
Yeah, I had the feeling that he was a prospect.
Like was he like a legit, he was full, full fledged.
He had colors because like in the part where chains chains grabbed him and said, you see
this and he showed him the patch on his back.
That was a full patch, a full patch on your back, what they call colors, what they call
the, you know, an upper lower patch with all that in there is like prospects.
Don't get that.
You literally wear a vest that says prospect on the back and then guess what?
And then when you pass and you get a full patch of colors thrown on, on your vest or
your jacket or wherever you fly, you know what I'm saying?
So like he, he was full in, he wasn't a prospect.
He was part of the group.
He had say, but his say didn't really count for much because like I said, you know, every
group has that one guy, everyone likes him.
He's there, you know, and everyone just deals with them.
Right.
I just thought it didn't seem like too many people liked him.
Well, that's the thing.
So it's like, you know, he's like, like I said, he's one of those guys that he he's
here.
He's here.
He's been here.
He hasn't gone anywhere.
Everyone, you know, like, but also to like being a fool and kind of having that character
aspect that he had, everyone just deals with them because guess what?
Maybe he's a family member of one of the family members or that's chains cousin and you know,
he's here, but we fuck with them.
Everyone fucks it.
Everyone accepts that.
You know, I'm saying we don't have to like them, but guess what?
We have to respect them in the fact that he's here.
You know what I'm saying?
There's there's plenty of crews that have people like that where it's just like, you
know, do whatever in that they have in it just holds, you know, and so like, but the
thing is, it's like there's there were moments in time where that character, you know, like
they emphasize them so much.
I'm like, oh, OK, cool.
That's his in.
He saved his ass.
And I was like, no, that wasn't his in.
You know, they just literally use it.
Hey, we're having a get together.
Come to come to the rally.
And then that and then like they had a moment in time where they talked, they spoke and
then they walked away from it.
Yeah, I I definitely agree.
They could have used him a lot more.
Like really, the only purpose he served was getting him to the rally.
Yeah.
And then just kind of showing that he has a it seemed like he has a conscience when
he was when they were killing the guards.
Exactly.
And then they fricking like Bushwhack his hand.
Yeah.
Which that was messed up.
Exactly.
Like, why did they have him start his bike?
They were going to probably tell him to leave, but he didn't get on his bike fast enough
to leave.
Oh, because at that moment in time, you know, he spoke up when he shouldn't have spoke up.
You know what I'm saying, like when the when the boss is talking, don't question him in
front of people.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that's more of like when you get when you're having conversations with people the
way like he was having a conversation with that's like the worst sign of disrespect that
you can give somebody is to try to call them on some bullshit in front of everybody, because
now I have to do something to you to fucking prove to everyone else here.
My word is my word is God.
My word is said.
My word is done.
You know what I'm saying?
What I say goes goes.
And don't fucking call me out in front.
You can you can pull me aside and have a conversation with me like, bro, that that just wasn't cool
to me.
I respect it.
I understand it.
Just stay the fuck back then.
But that's not what he did.
He spoke up in the middle of a crowd which he shouldn't have done, you know, and fucking
lost his hand from what I can figure out.
Yeah, they never really show what happened.
They never really show it, but oh, like I almost appreciated that you you didn't see
anything from that because like I wish we would have seen like some aftermath.
Yeah, but let's splatter.
But yeah, or just like his his hand like bandaged up or just just something along those lines.
Well, I did appreciate that they pulled away when he was getting his hand, whatever happened
to it, because it just it makes it so much worse because it's like, oh, you're imagining
exactly what happened.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, it was.
It was it was so crazy.
It was just like said, it just like the more you dissect it, the more like, you know, it
is an aspect of this biker life that you don't see in most biker movies where it's a little
more a little more on the violent side.
Yeah, like and I feel like I have very if I have any, there's so little doubt that shit
like that actually occurs.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, like I said, you know, a little more back in the day.
Yes.
You know, in that moment in time when that talk about like there were so many biker
gangs coming up and, you know, there's so much shit that and stories that I've heard just
from people that I talked to in that lifestyle where it's like, you know, I made a face for
those who couldn't see me.
Dude, I didn't realize for the longest time that biker gangs were actually like that because
my dad, he's in a motorcycle club and they had that whole thing where he was a prospect
and then gets his cut and like the colors and everything.
And like, but seeing like I went on a trip with them to to Kansas and just seeing how
the actual gangs like view them is hilarious.
Like I said, when you when you when you when you start getting into a little more heavy
duty gangs out there, like I said, you know, I'm out here in the Bay Area.
So like, you know, the one of the biggest the biggest one is basically, you know, out
here.
And, you know, I just happen to know quite a bit of those of those people.
And it's just like, you know, when you when you're around that life, you use you hear
and see everything, but I didn't hear anything, didn't see anything.
Yeah, that's that's my philosophy.
As long as it's not directly affecting me.
Like I didn't see shit.
I swear to God.
Yeah.
It's funny story, we were at a gas station and there were some some gang members that
were riding like the opposite direction.
And then they flipped a U.E. and started following my my dad's club.
Yeah.
And then we pulled into like a gas station and one like they pulled into like a gas station,
like on the other end.
Oh, yeah.
They're just they're just check colors.
Yeah.
Just to like see what they were about.
And one of the club members from my are my dad's club came up to me because I was riding
the the the safety vehicle.
Yeah, the trailer.
Yeah.
So I was driving that and I was wearing a a Robin shirt.
So like just a red shirt with like the yellow are and everything.
And he came up to me because I had to pee like a mother.
So I was like filling up the truck and he's like, hey, you might want to stay in the in
the truck.
Like, I'm like, why?
And he's like, you're wearing their colors, man, like that, you know, how disrespectful
like they might do something crazy.
And I was like, I don't give a shit.
I'm going to piss my pants.
Freaking ran in.
And one of the member or the gang members was in there.
Yeah.
And I kind of had like a little.
Oh, yeah.
I just peed a little bit.
Yeah.
Like, oh, shit.
But he like he turned around, looked and he's like, yo, is that Robin?
Well, that's the funny part, too.
It's like they can tell, you know what I'm saying?
They can they can eat, you know, there's a certain look of a biker.
And I'm pretty sure you're flying by, bro.
Yeah.
Yeah, I wasn't like everyone else in my my dad's club was wearing like a vest and yeah,
like and everything like I was just.
T-shirt and jeans.
Exactly.
You know what I'm saying?
That's just how it goes.
You know, like even when I go places, you know, I always wear a sleeveless shirt.
I'm tattooed from the legs all the way to my head.
Huge fucking beard.
And I don't even drive a motorcycle and I still get fucking looks.
Yeah.
My I have like I've I like to ride.
I want to get a motorcycle.
But my I would not have the typical biker aesthetic to me.
Like my my helmet is a full face helmet.
It's like it's blue and it has red and white stripes on it with the Captain America ears
that I painted on.
My vest is a Captain America vest.
And I and I have a black leather jacket that I'm painting the Punisher skull on.
Like there's nothing that I could wear.
There's nothing about me that screams badass biker.
It's like, well, let me tell you, as long as you ain't rocking colors and you ain't got
no flags or cuts on you, nobody is going to be like, you know, oh, he's got he's cool.
Just doing my thing.
You know what I'm saying?
Because bikers respect bikers because everyone enjoys the ride.
But the thing is, is, you know, when you start flying colors and flying flags, then it's
like now we have a problem.
Who are you?
What are you doing?
Are you are you a one percenter?
What's going on?
You know what I'm saying?
All that has to be verified, especially when you start getting into territories.
You know, which is just.
It was funny just because I like I'd never dealt with that before.
And just the fact that I got singled out because of my shirt, like exactly like that guy thought
I was going to, but for completely different reasons.
Like the strip, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, it's how it goes.
And like even like like I used to have a specific kind of haircut and the with the haircut that
I had, it just caused fights all the time.
It was just like, you know, and I'll throw it out there.
I used to have what they call a Mongolian tail.
And the only way I can really describe it is, you know, an old Japanese movies where
they just basically have like a patch of hair like on the top of their head like this, like
it's just a circle and it comes into a big tail.
Oh, yeah.
Basically, I had that, you know what I'm saying?
But it has a completely different meaning in Chicano in the northern California area.
And it just it just all it's like a flag for trouble.
And I've gotten numerous fights, numerous like, you know, I'm talking about two on one,
three on one, four on one fights.
And it just it is what it is.
You know what I'm saying?
And you know, once I started having kids and stuff like that, I kind of had to be like,
I can't do this with the kids.
You know what I'm saying?
Because I had a couple of fights where the kid my my youngest son was with me and I'm
like, go to the car.
I'll be there in a second.
You know what I'm saying?
Hopefully they don't go after them and I can keep them busy here.
And it just got to the point where like, all right, let me cut this off.
And you know, and just it just is what it is.
But I used to have this thick, long fucking tail braided the fuck up.
And once just like having flags, having cuts, having colors, it draws that unwanted attention
that you don't want.
Oh, did the.
We'll get into it.
Just bringing that up like that is definitely a costumes talk.
But we're just trying to stay on on.
On task.
Oh, yeah, it's hard because it's such a good to be in such a good movie.
So it's hard to stick to.
Yeah, to the format right now.
It's really good.
The.
One of the things like the I think my biggest problem, like overall with the movie was the
transportation scene just because there was a lot of shit that was just confusing there.
Like they threw in that dude that looked exactly like ice.
Yeah.
They had like the conversation with the dude that was driving the semi and then he starts
like acting up.
Yeah.
And like get fake gets killed.
I was like, what the hell is this dude doing?
Exactly.
Because it's not disgusting.
Yeah.
And then later he's just like, man, I died really good this time.
That's it.
Like the dude is giving me stress.
I'm like, he's going to blow this whole fricking thing.
Exactly.
The whole I'm like, watch it like, what are you doing?
God damn it.
Like you're part of this operation, dumbass, like knock it off.
Like what the fuck is going on?
Oh, but like realize it just afterward with what his role was.
I was like, oh my gosh.
That's it.
Chain got him real good too.
So this time you really die.
Yeah.
Um, geez.
Oh, another, like after that, like after that sequence, just the fact that he fricking abandoned
all the drugs.
Yeah.
Like he just, that was so weird.
That was so weird for him.
Literally just drives away on his bike.
Get off my horse.
Yeah.
And then just like takes off.
I'm like, yo, this is an operation.
Yeah.
You need to figure out where the fuck this is going.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And then he like goes bitches and complains about it to the FBI guy.
And then he's like, you need to go find these drugs.
And you're like, fine.
And then goes and gets like blows them up.
Exactly.
You know what I'm saying?
All that money just got blown up.
Yeah.
So that was evidence.
It was funny too.
Cause like when a trailer gets shot, it's not going to fall down like that.
But also too, like when it, when it fell off the trip, it just kept rolling straight.
I'm like, it wouldn't do that.
It literally, you know what I'm saying?
It jackknife.
Yeah.
That's, that shit would dig straight into the damn concrete and stop almost immediately.
Exactly.
Like it might slide for a little bit.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
It's just like, is, but you know, like I said, move for stunt purposes.
Oh, I don't know what, what category this would fall under.
So I'll bring it up now.
His bike was hilarious to me.
Did you notice the paint job?
It just had like, it's like blue skull that just had this awkward look to it.
It was his hair.
Yeah.
It was the freaking mullet.
That's the thing is like, he was known for that mullet.
You know what I'm saying?
That mullet was that, that was a signature Bob's back in the day.
Cause he used to have that haircut all the way from college, all the way to the NFL,
all the way through his brain, basically to his, all his major movie career.
Are you shitting me?
I thought that was a design or like a costume.
That, that, that, that hit, that's his signature.
Like I said, if you go back to his college days, you'll see it.
He like, he had the, that he created that signature look in college and completely stuck
with it all the way through his NFL career and into his first couple of movies.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like I said, that was him, you know what I'm saying?
The feathered mullet, you know what I'm saying?
People weren't ready for it back then in the nineties.
Dude, that's hilarious.
Like I said, you go back and like I said, that's, that's the signature boss right there.
Oh my gosh.
And just the fact that they put that paint job on the bike.
I mean, oh my hell.
That was, that's what made me think like, okay, this is just like something weird.
They decided to pull for the move.
Oh yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
See, I should have said that earlier too.
I was like, that's the signature boss hair cut right there.
Oh, cause it makes, it makes more sense once you know it, you know what I'm saying?
Like, oh, yeah.
I don't think my costume score just went up.
Oh yeah, other than like that, just the loads of issues I had with the transportation scene
and like just the whole drug thing in general and the, and the, I don't even know what act
I would consider that like the second act.
Yeah.
Or it would be third act because it's like a, it goes into getting him, him getting into
the the club and then him prospecting.
Right.
Cause there were so many acts if you really think about it.
Yeah.
Like it's just like like micro movies.
Yeah, exactly.
Like you could have literally broke this up into a TV series.
You probably could have.
Each, each, each act would have been a good 30 minute movie or 30 minute TV show.
Geez, we need to be careful about who hears that cause we're going to see that like a
stone cold TV series on Amazon or HBO.
Well, let me tell you right now, the boss is still acting and he's still doing movies
and he plays a cop right now.
What's he in right now?
Oh, I can't even remember the name of the movie, but like, uh, it was just, it was,
um, it was, he, they did a clip of it in the super bowl and they did a, they do a couple
of clips of him all dressed up in the, uh, sheriff's uniform.
I just can't remember the name of the damn show.
Yeah.
My writing score is, is a lot lower than, than my story is because it was just intense.
It was just a little like way over the top.
Well, you know, in movie fashion, it has to be over the top.
So at least for me, it has to be over the top.
So when it's done, it doesn't look like it was, you know what I'm saying?
Because like until you really break it down, then it seems like that might've been a little
excessive.
Yeah.
Um, the only things that I felt were like excessive in this was the nudity.
Hey, and you, you catch a little bit of a 90s Bush in there too.
Oh yeah.
I caught that in full, whatever.
That's it.
Whatever quality the, the Oculus is able to portray.
1080p.
Crystal clear.
Oh.
Um, but yeah, just, I think with the pacing issues I had with the story, I don't feel
like that served the script very well.
Yeah.
It's cause like I said, lots of jumping around, um, just lots of like things that were difficult
to follow to, um, like I said, the whole, the, what the brotherhood's like ultimate goal
was like, I thought it was about killing the whip or yeah, I thought that was the ultimate
goal.
Yeah.
But it was way more convoluted than that and it just, oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Like I said, it got muddy at the end.
Yeah.
And I think too with, um, thinking that like the goal seemed like it was to save Whipperton,
right?
From like, like the FBI's.
Yeah.
Like that was the ultimate goal.
They failed miserably.
Oh man.
And they had the National Guard.
They had like so many things going on and right off top, like how in the hell did a
gun get taped to the bottom of that seat?
And then him, he had it on his lap, fully exposed.
Yeah.
Wasn't even like trying to hide it.
It was just like kind of off to the side.
He had the coat on the, on the barrel and the, the rest of us, he's just sitting there
like, yeah, I'm here.
Got a gun in my lap.
What are you going to do about it?
And sat right behind, right behind the FBI agent.
Oh jeez.
It was just way too, like I said, way too convoluted of a plan for it to make any sort
of sense.
Like this was a suicide mission.
Make the plan, execute the plan.
Everything go horribly wrong.
Yeah.
But because of that, I think, I think we're going to go down to like a 68 for the writing.
It was, it was rough for me.
See, I'm, I'm, I'm like, I'm sitting at maybe a 70.
I think 70 is for my, for my writing is going to be right about there.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
All right.
Well that averages us out to a 69 for writing.
69.
All right.
Next up we got acting, which we have Brian Bosworth who played Joe Huff.
Lance Henriksen who played Chains Cooper.
William Forsyth who played Ice.
Arabella Holsberg, Hols Bog who played Nancy.
Sam McMurray who played Lance.
And then Richard Grant who played Cunningham.
Yeah.
And this is a, you know, we had to talk about this.
This is a star-studded cast before it was a star-studded cast.
The he, the boss is not an actor.
I think this is like first, I believe this is his first movie and you can tell, but the
thing is, is everyone else around them is carrying him, acting their asses off, making
this a great movie because everyone's playing the parts correctly.
You know what I'm saying?
The two bad guys in this, in this movie are like known and great bad guys.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just like, it's just so crazy.
Because like they were banking off the bars to make this movie happen as an action star.
You know what I'm saying?
He was coming in to be the next Arnold.
He was, you know, promoted as like the next big action star to come in there.
He was like the Dolph Lundren of like 80s action movies of like he's coming in, he's
a fresh kid, fresh face and about to make this.
And unfortunately his chops just aren't there.
You know what I'm saying?
No one else though, I'm sorry, Ice was exactly who Ice needed to be.
Chains was exactly who Chains needed to be.
And you know, right off top, Lance, he is a surprising character that I love because
if anyone had character growth, it's only him.
Yup.
That is absolutely true.
It's weird too because like, I mean, Bosworth action wise, like he pulled the action off
incredibly well.
Oh yeah.
Like this is like, I'm not the biggest fan of what I've seen him in.
So I don't know how this is going to come off to some people and like, especially you.
I think his acting and like just the way that he's able to pull off action, his acting is
on the same level as I'd say like Steven Seagal.
But I think his acting or his action is a lot better than Steven Seagal's.
But it's true.
I'm saying because like when you get Jean-Claude Van Damme, when you get like Sylvester Stallone,
they're athletic.
You know what I'm saying?
In the fact that they work out, Jean-Claude Van Damme was an actual martial artist.
You know, Steven Seagal is an actual martial artist too, but they don't have the function
and flow of like athleticism in like functional strength.
The Boz College Pro, also to NFL Pro.
And so he just has that natural athleticism that was easily translated into action movies
because he's used to throwing himself at stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
So he's like, guess what?
I know how to fight because he's known to fight.
He's known to, you know, hurl himself at things.
He's known to run, jump, you know what I'm saying?
Do all these things and this is prime time Boz in this movie.
So that athleticism he has easily, you know, goes into this action movie.
You know what I'm saying?
That's what gives it.
And plus he's really young still in this movie.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like this movie was like a little bit after his NFL career and he went straight
from college to the NFL real quick.
You know what I'm saying?
I think he must have been like 23 or 24 by the time he made this movie.
Geez.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm not 100% sure on the date, but I'm pretty sure he was like still early 20s when this
movie was made.
That is wild to think about because I'm 26.
He looks way older than I do.
Oh yeah.
But you know, like I said, life was hard back then because you got to remember that that's
hard drinking, hard partying, fucking, you know, football, fucking all the stresses of
college.
You know what I'm saying?
All that bullshit, you know?
Yeah.
But I think he like, like I said, action wise, he did incredible.
I think where you're what you're talking about, like the function, I think it showed really
well in that pit fight.
Like I think he sold that fight better than his opponent.
Oh yeah.
And his opponent was like very, yeah.
Chiseled as all hell.
Just like, like kind of like almost sculpted.
Like yeah, yeah.
No, it is.
Bodybuilder figure.
And like I said, it's stiff and rigid.
There's no flexibility.
There's no agileness to it.
There's none of that.
But once again, football, you know, functional strength, you know what I'm saying?
And being football, doing football, you have to be limber.
And guess what?
That easily translates into what that pit fight was.
Yeah, for sure.
Like it's crazy to think about, like the stuff that we, I mean, a lot of the the super fit
people that we see on in action movies, the ones that are like chiseled, like Greek gods,
have nothing on like the strongman competition people.
But like, and they don't have like normal abs.
It's just, they just got like a fricking brick of a gut.
Exactly.
Got that power belly.
Yeah.
And like that, it just kind of showed with him.
Like he had, it's like some abs, like some definition.
He has a lot of shape.
But you know what I'm saying?
Like, but also too, it's like, no, I got strength.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like one of the things like even with like MMA and UFC fighting, everyone thinks
you need to have this chiseled muscular body to be strong.
It's like, no, a fit body with a little bit of fat on it.
That's the perfect shape.
Because guess what?
You're not requiring so much oxygen.
You're not requiring so much energy to be spent on fucking physically holding yourself
up.
Like there's, there's this ratio that needs to be there for perfection when it comes to
fighting.
And the boss has that, that, that well, because like I said, the other guy was way more jacked
than him, but boss was still jacked in comparison and was still, you know, like he, he wasn't,
he wasn't struggling and breathing hard, even though that guy fought a couple of fights
before he got in there.
You know what I'm saying?
It, it, it, it's still, you know, the, the, the smaller guy one, which was boss in that
fight because the other guy was towering over him.
Yeah.
Like that whole fight, it had like the, like a UFC fighter versus a WWE fighter vibe to
it.
Oh yeah.
Now they said that's old school strong Ironman fighting.
Cause he used to do that back in the day where they just have a pit and you just keep fighting
until someone loses.
Oh, um, but yeah, like for me, I think he gets some like major points for his action.
His action was just absolutely killer.
Um, I know he didn't do all of his own stunt work.
Like it's a noodle.
Yeah.
When he's like riding the bike, I'm like, that is very obviously someone else.
Um, but his, his acting, like anytime that he was just talking, not super great.
And like you said, he was being carried by the rest of the cast.
Oh yeah.
Not it definitely.
It was there.
It's very noticeable.
But the thing too is, like I said, they did it well.
You know what I'm saying?
He got out his lines.
I don't know how many, how many takes it took each time, but you know what I'm saying?
He was able to show enough emotion to make it palatable.
Yeah.
Um, the people that I feel did like the best at like keeping at a reasonable level, at
least for like a nineties movie were the FBI agents, Lance and Cunningham.
Yeah.
I think they were like just the perfect level of like, like they did not feel super out
of place.
Yeah.
But when you get into like chains and ice, they for very ice, especially frequently went
over the, over the top and it's just, Oh, okay.
Dial it back.
Yeah.
See it.
And it's funny is because like I said, um, the reason I liked ice so much is because
like I said, I've grown up with people that are exactly to the T who ice is like no, no
understanding of what a conscience is.
No understanding of what no means, no understanding that someone can't, someone can stop me.
There's like, I, I, I grew up knowing people like that, like never intimidated by them
because I grew up with them, but everyone else around them would be scared shitless
to look at them, talk to them, or even have them or then him talk to them.
You know what I'm saying?
They're like, no, like, you know, they, they, they do what they can to avoid this person.
And so like because of that, that's what ice was one of my favorite characters because
I'm like, no, I fucking grew up with, it's like at least five guys that were like that,
like to the point where like they pull out a knife and shove it right in your face.
What are you going to do?
You know what I'm saying?
It's just like, and I'm like, you know, like shit, you know, that, that was a good portrayal
of that person.
You know, chains was good, but the thing is, it's like, you know, I know a lot of cool
comm collected guys that when they drink and party, they turn into what chains is, but
I know way more people that are fucking like, like how ice was growing up.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you know, like just straight murderers at like, no, I'm going to, they'll do exactly
what they're going to want to do at any point in time.
It doesn't matter who's around, what's around or what's going on.
They're going to do exactly what they're going to want to do.
And there's no ifs, ands or buts about it.
And if you don't go with the flow, they'll turn on you.
Right.
Yeah, dude.
Ice just had a wild look in his eye.
That was unsettling.
You know, and this is things was like in a Steven Seagal movie, he played Bobby, which
was basically the exact same character, but in this movie.
So in Above the Law, that's exactly that character because he played in that movie.
He was the bad guy in that movie is the exact same character he played in this movie.
So like I had, I just had that look because I'm like, Oh, God, I love this guy as a bad
guy because he just has that that talk, you know what I'm saying?
That way about it.
Like he's got the crazy eye and I'm going to end it.
I don't give a fuck attitude.
I was just scrolling through his IMDb and.
I am sending this to Rose because in 2010 he played John Wayne Gacy.
Yeah, hey, see, that's what I'm saying.
And he missed out on that.
You know what I'm saying?
Like that could have been him making that correlation right now.
Rose, you messed up.
Oh, my gosh.
It's so weird because like he I mean, at least the picture that he has on IMDb, he doesn't
look like a crazy person.
Like he just kind of looks like a hard ass.
But any other like all the pictures that they're sharing of him, he looks freaking nuts.
Yeah, but he plays it just right.
It's like, oh, my God, that's why I love that's why I had a love for the character.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like just seeing him and seeing all these other movies that he's done, because
I like I said, I've watched every one of his movies and it's just like.
Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
Anyway, I you know, you got to throw in a new bit for the show where it's five degrees
of a gasey five degrees.
Oh, dude, Rose, I think Rose would kill it with that.
I don't know if he's heard about that movie, so I'm definitely going to share that with
all you after we get off here.
All right.
Who's who's in your top three for for acting in this movie?
I'm going to go ice.
It's tough.
Ice, Lance and then boss.
That's just that's just how I'm going to go.
And the reason I ice because, like I said, I just love that character.
Lance is because he plays.
His character is the only character that evolves, but his character has the best line at the
end of the movie.
You know what I'm saying?
And the boss, because, you know, it's he's the boss period, but that's going to be my
my three way right there.
I think I'm going to agree with you with Lance.
I number two, I think I'd have to give to to ice.
Like he wasn't my favorite character in this, but just acting wise, like the dude just killed
it.
Oh, yeah.
Like I said, he goes over the top a lot, and I don't necessarily think that's his fault.
I think that's just the direction that the director is going, whoever the director was.
Yeah.
And then my number one, I'm going I'm going to give to chains is he killed it.
Like if I think Bosworth, I think he's like a really close number four for me.
Didn't quite crack the top three.
It's like, like you said, that that's just how that's just how it goes, though.
You know what I'm saying?
Because he doesn't have the acting chops, but his action in it just that's what sold
it to me.
That's just that's why he I put him in three chains.
I would give four.
And the only reason I give chains for is because, you know, ice outshined them the whole time.
You know what I'm saying?
Like even when they have their interactions, he's like, I don't like this guy.
And you know, and he's like, he's going to be the biggest bulldozer, the biggest pork
shop I have.
That was the weakest fucking line I ever fucking heard.
Yeah, I'm saying I'm like, why did you say you know what I'm saying?
It's just like it's just like, you know, it's just every time that they had a scene
together, I know chains had to play cool, calm and collected till the end.
But that's just how their dynamic was is, you know, like, it's just like I said, I
that's the only reason I give chains force because like every time that ice and him were
in a scene, I just fucking took it.
Yeah, I.
Yeah, he ice ice, freaking.
He killed it.
But I think the reason I put chains a little bit higher is because he was able to kind
of reel it in just just a tad better than than ice was like this dude just went all
out.
Yeah, like every time nothing on the fricking table.
Like he's just all right.
Like four aces.
I'm all in, God damn it.
Oh, um.
All right.
Where are you sitting now with a with an acting score?
Man, the acting score, I'm going to like maybe a 67.
That is actually exactly where I was at too.
Yeah, it was.
It was watchable.
Yeah, it just compared to like some other stuff.
I mean, not the best.
Hey, like I said, this is a gem of a movie and it's not even a cult following.
There is no following behind this movie.
This is just like one of those things where it's like, did you see that?
I'm like, yes or no, that's just all you're going to get.
You know what I'm saying?
You're not going to like, oh, I love that movie.
I was like, no, this is like one of those ones that are like, you know, it's like I
love it.
I'll recommend it.
But the only reason I even rewatched it is because we were doing this podcast.
That fair enough.
I feel like this is going to be one of those movies like later down the line when someone's
like, hey, did you ever see this?
Yep.
You want to watch it?
I mean, if I have to.
It is just what it comes down to.
Oh, all right.
So that averages out to a sixty seven for acting.
Moving on over to character development.
Unfortunately, like I think you're right with Lance being the only one that had any growth
whatsoever.
Yeah.
You know, he because it it's just so hilarious because like said, the boss is the boss through
the whole movie.
Ice is ice through the whole movie.
Chains slowly turns into a monster.
But like, you know, but you can always tell it's there, but it just starts getting just
a slightly wilder at the end.
And then he's just off the rails.
But that's like a quarter of the movie.
But Lance.
All right.
He shows up to like he this is the first part.
Fucking boss shows up to the bar to meet ice, to shake things up, you know, say, make some
noise, find his in.
And you know who the fuck's there?
Lance in a denim jacket, a fucking bandana and a hat.
And then with his collar, pop, pop colors too much hot.
And then, you know, and then, you know, with the greatest of these bosses, like rip the
denim jacket sleeve off, rip the other sleeve off.
He's all, dude, you just ripped my sleeves off.
I'm like, come on.
And then the whole germaphobe, like it was a hundred.
He's like, can I get a glass, you know, like me get two beers.
Can I get a glass to who the fuck asked for, you know, like if you get a draft beer, guess
what's coming in the glass anyways.
But when you get two beers, you just take the two fucking beers.
And then can I get another glass?
I was like.
All right.
Oh, my God.
And then the whole speech in the bathroom.
Oh, dude, that was my favorite bit from Lance.
He's like, I was just like, I was just my legs are sore and I was trying to squat down,
but not touch anything.
Just like hovering.
I think George Washington took a shit in here.
I'm like, where the fuck did that come from?
You know what I'm saying?
I thought that was hilarious.
And just just the fact that he got the final kill of the movie.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
And then with the with the smoothest line, you know what I'm saying?
You got to know when to turn it on.
Oh, you know, it was like a whole coming back to to to full circle because the boss gave
him the advice and he just followed it, you know, with the pastel fucking suit on.
You know what I'm saying?
He was fucking the bluest of blue suits, white shirt, six shooter.
You can't get any more fucking 90s cop than that.
Man, I loved every second of Lance.
It was so good.
Just the awkward.
And then the boss always look at him like, what?
You know, like always questioning him.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, dude, are you serious?
Yeah, it almost felt like Bos was making fun of him just like with the girl in his bed
and he's just like, well, I've never seen one of those before.
But not not not not that caliper or that close.
You know what I'm saying?
And he's trying to catch a glance the whole fucking dime.
Come on.
Yeah.
I mean, it's tough to do character development with with an action movie like this, because
I mean, it's just like the main focus was was Joe or John, whatever.
Yeah.
So that like that was the main focus.
And he just did not.
He just didn't.
He was the same bad ass in the beginning and the same bad ass at the end.
And like I said, there's he wasn't a better person from when he started.
That's how I looked at it when it comes to character development.
Like from the first thing, he had a shotgun in his face.
I'll pay for the cookie to I didn't shoot him.
He's going to jail, but I'm a cop.
You know what I'm saying?
Like even in the first he didn't kill anybody.
He just knocked him out.
And that's basically what he did at the end.
So it's like all the in between.
He never really killed anybody.
He beat a couple of people up and his you know, we didn't talk about it, which are now
we're going to talk about stunts, aren't we?
Yeah, I usually throw like some work and everything into like effects.
Yeah.
Then we'll wait for that.
But there there was no there was there was like no up or down with him.
He was the exact same bad ass from the beginning to the end.
And so just like you said, it's hard to to place that on him because it's just like,
you know, he this is this is that he's the character.
You know, there was no struggle.
He was a juggernaut.
There's a whole fucking movie.
Yeah.
He didn't really get his ass beat at any point in time.
Not really.
Like he didn't.
I think the biggest struggle he had was with the pit fight.
Yeah.
And he still won that.
Yeah.
Other than that, the only time that I mean, he ever like I would consider lost was when
everyone had their guns up on him.
Yeah.
That's everyone had a gun on him and he was still trying to fight.
Yeah.
So unfortunately, because of that, I think.
I think we're going to be at like a sixty five.
No, no, that's fair.
I was like, I would like myself.
I was already thinking 60.
I was like, you know what I'm saying?
Because like it's hard like Lance is the only reason it's a 60 to me.
That's just you know, I'm saying you can't for me.
I can't like justify any other character.
You know, I'm saying that's like that.
That made me feel a certain way.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like even with Gut, he was still the same fool from beginning to the end.
But the only thing is, the sympathy I felt for him was the exact same sympathy I felt
from at the end.
So I was like, I couldn't even give that character any kind of like score development on like,
you know, like it could have been something so much more with that character and a growth
development of a relationship and a partnership with John or Joe, whoever we want to call
him and Gut.
And then to all, you know, be created and tailored all the way to the end.
But it just that just never happened.
Yeah.
I think what action movies fail to do.
And this is just kind of in general, because I'm looking back at some of like the other
character development scores that we've scored pretty low.
And the issue with it is that they don't challenge the main characters values or morals.
Yeah.
And like, I know that with with with with whatever you want to call him, John, he was
like challenged to kill people.
Yeah.
But he was able to just kind of like sneak them away.
Exactly.
And so like, he never really challenged that.
I feel like if he would have been like had to do it in front of like the brotherhood.
Yeah.
I think that would have really challenged his his character.
Exactly.
And maybe made him like struggle with that.
How is he going to get out of that?
Yeah.
It's some kind of internal monologue where it's like, oh, yeah.
Or just dealing with like if he did end up killing that person, like how would he handle
the guilt or handle the just just that situation in general as a whole?
Like I think I think a lot of action directors overlook that we're interested in seeing that.
Yeah.
Like it's not like it doesn't just work in in dramas or.
Yeah.
Thrillers and horrors.
We know that we like to see the conflict in the inside of the mind of a hero because it
makes it real.
You don't say I understand fantasy heroes where they have to be stoic at all points
in times because they have to have that.
But the thing is, too, is like if you get a little bit of like that connection of like
why he's really doing what he's doing.
You know what I'm saying?
Because like we understand he's a cop.
We understand he's an aggressive, not willing to do excessive force to get the job done.
But you know, that's the extent of what it is.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, it's just challenge him, push him to go becoming excessive.
Yeah.
Or it's just anything like that.
Like I don't even feel like they.
Like I thought that they were going to take like a good route of him going instead of
shooting for justice, going for like just pure vengeance or revenge because of Nancy.
Yep.
But that like nothing ever came with that either.
And once again, forgotten in the flow.
Yeah, it almost felt like, hey, this could have been a booty call.
Like what the hell?
Exactly.
You just killed it, bro.
So you said 60.
Yeah, 60.
All right.
And that averages us out to a sixty two point five for character development.
All right.
Next up, we got effects.
So like I said, this counts practical effects, action, like stunt work kind of just covers
the entire spectrum of effects.
And I was going to say this earlier, but I'll say it in here.
The effects in this movie were great to me.
And the one thing I loved about the action and the stunt work in this movie was because
John was a juggernaut, every time he tossed somebody, it was clear across the room.
Every time.
It did not matter how far the wall was.
Somebody hit a wall when he threw him.
You know what I'm saying?
It was just it was just if you go back, you can like I think like four or five people,
he just like it wasn't even like this huge.
It was like, who?
And then like one of those like, you know, like when someone takes that rag doll and
throws it against the wall and it just like clops it and it falls.
That's exactly what happened every time.
And it just felt so good to see that because it was just like, this is the kind of effect
I love to see because it's so corny, but it flows so smoothly because it's just like,
wait, huh?
Like, like just just because it'd be like the slightest chuck.
And then you then you turn around and this is a full speed body hitting the wall.
Yeah.
And we try to like when we do talk about effects, we try not to like compare it to anything
that you're going to see today.
Oh, yeah.
We always try to compare it to like the times.
Yeah.
But I mean, like the laws of physics did not apply to this movie whatsoever.
At all.
But that's how an action movie is supposed to be.
Guns are never supposed to run out of bullets.
Everything's supposed to explode.
And you know what?
People get tossed through walls.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's a key action movie for me is because it's literally like like, you know, I'm in
an action movie.
I like realism, but there's got to be a little exaggeration in there.
And I felt that this had just enough exaggeration where it was just like, OK, that was hilarious.
But also, too, in the heat of the moment, that was good.
Yeah.
Like they they followed it up like something corny and cheesy was something that was actually
like pretty sick.
Like oh, oh, and the in the Capitol building when what's his face was like driving down
the the hallway, get shot off his motorcycle and his motorcycle goes launching out the
window and hits the helicopter like that was sick.
It was in the instantaneous explosion is always the best because it's like the motorcycle
hits it right before it hits it.
You can see where the crop happens and it's like, like gone.
I'm like, yes, yes.
You know what I'm saying?
You can see that cut scene where it's like.
I see what you did there.
Yeah.
But I mean, if you can say anything about this movie, it's consistent because like when
when he's chasing ice and then ice crashes into the car and the car just explodes.
Yeah.
Like, OK, that wouldn't happen.
It would not.
And he would just not say, you know, like, like it, it just everything exploded, though.
It just needed to be tapped.
Just a little love tap.
Boom.
Because I think it was like four or five explosions where that's exactly where it happened.
Yeah.
They freaking got the like whoever did the makeup on ice and that other dude when he
got burnt up, that looked real good.
It looks so good.
Yeah.
And it's gruesome to look at, too, because you're like, oh, what the fuck?
You know, I forgot how good it was because like even when they showed the guy, you know,
in the hospital exploded, he was just like, oh, fuck, that was just kill me.
I don't want to say no.
This this bitch is going to marry you and take care of you for the rest of your life.
He's like, I'm hurting.
All right.
And I just got hit with a grenade.
And then like two or three scenes later, they're driving off in a motorcycle.
The shit that they pulled off there, like them getting ice's body to pull that Viking
funeral like that's.
Gruesome.
You know, what I love, too, is like right when the I can only imagine the thought process
of what they were doing, because like like I said, he put a cigar in his mouth, light
him up.
And so instead of just lighting him up.
Bucket of gas.
All right, light him up.
You know what I'm saying?
I'm like, you could have not had that already done.
You know what I'm saying?
All that wood that was under him.
You guys didn't pre soak that and have it prepared.
You're just like bucket of gas light.
You know what I'm saying?
That whole scene was just as trippy as all hell.
I'm just like, this is so excessive and I'm here for it.
You guys got my attention.
You know, you know, let's talk about that jump scene from the helicopter out by Boz.
He jumped out of the helicopter through a glass window in the roof.
And then like this had to be at least an 11 story jump from the top of the helicopter
to inside the building and then he just rolls it off.
All right.
He's just like, huh, huh.
Okay, I'm okay.
You know, tuck and roll.
That's playing a video game with no fall damage.
No fall damage.
I was like, yes, yes.
It was just like, okay.
The pyrotechnics on this movie alone were just insane.
Like the trailer crashing into the gas station and just blowing right the hell up.
Every grenade that was thrown, every car crash that happened, everything like ended in an
explosion of some sort.
And then like you said, like people were getting thrown all over the place.
All over.
Like before he got to the pit, like you just see some dude fly like a full like 15 feet
over like everyone.
You know what I'm saying?
Tossed like it was nothing.
You got it.
You have to appreciate like the nineties.
Oh yeah.
And the consistency.
You know what I'm saying?
I was like, nah, everything's going to be like this.
Yeah.
They, they kept everything like super, I mean to their standard of like realism.
Oh, it's cheesy now, but back then, just like you said, you got to, you got to think about
it then.
That was, that was the narrative.
That's how things were.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like almost like a, a last action hero style of action where it's like, it's comical.
I know it's comical, but this is how we're doing it.
But it was so serious in the nineties.
I'm trying to think of what I would give this stuff.
Oh, it's high for me, bro.
It's really high for me.
I'm like 88 right away.
That's actually around where I was at.
I wasn't quite at an 88.
I was around like an 87, but yeah, like I was, I'm in that.
In that range.
Like it was good.
It's just the only thing I'm docking for is just maybe just the excessive explosions.
Like that's just, that's just the no explosions reason, but okay.
Yeah.
It's just docking for that little bit of like, Hey, we're, we're completely ignoring the
laws of physics here.
Okay.
You're going to take some, you're going to, we're going to dock you some points here,
but like have at it.
All right, so that averages us out to an 87.5.
All right.
Next up we got music.
So this one's out of 10.
Okay.
Well, it had a good score.
You know what I'm saying?
The good, good music.
And like I said, this is early 90s, so you're getting it's all, and it's the boss.
So you get nothing but hair metal.
And to me, it meshes well.
It reminded me of a song.
So I went back and looked it up, but it's just like, it, it's decent.
It's real decent.
Like in even with this, my score for this would be an 85 because I'll play it was, you
know, it had dramatic music, but also to the soundtrack was, you know, decent.
Yeah.
All right.
So an 85 that'd be about an eight for, yeah.
I know.
I, you know what I mean?
Yeah.
That's, that's actually about where, where I'm at too.
I thought the, the scores that they did have in there were pretty good.
The music that they had really enhanced the scene.
Didn't feel out of place at all.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, I think the only thing that was missing for me was just one outstanding song
or just one thing that got stuck in my head.
Oh yeah.
That trailer song that needs to be like, this is, this is the theme song of this movie.
It didn't have that, but like I said, it, it, all the other music in it, it, it, you
know what I'm saying?
It was perfect for the time.
Yeah, absolutely.
Um, so yeah, that averages us out to an eight next up.
We have costumes, uh, which is also out of 10 and dude, someone was working overtime
on this.
Well, let me tell you now, it takes at least three people to get that mullet on point.
The truckload of moose and hairspray, all the aquanet, then this movie right here put
in a hole in the ozone layer with the amount of hairspray that was used.
Oh, I believe it.
Um, dude, I, whoever was in charge of costuming ice.
Did a very not good job.
Well, the hair alone, I'm like, you could have slicked it back.
It wasn't even that, like it was from scene to scene.
It was like, it was different.
Like in one scene he was like super sweaty.
His hair looked wet and just all types of greasy.
And then the next one, it looked like he was in a fricking L'Oreal commercial.
Yeah, exactly.
It was all frode, like styled out to where like, all right, you know what I'm saying?
I'm like, is it humid today?
Yeah.
Then it's like he believed, like suddenly believes in baby powder and just looks dry
as like anything.
Exactly.
And most of his characters always play a sweaty guy because he's always like so, you know,
manic all the time.
And yet, like I said, it's just, but the thing is though, everything was bikered out.
The patches look real good.
The costumes, like I said, except for the guy who looked like the same, who looked like
ice is like, it's no understanding of that.
You know what I'm saying?
And just like the, you couldn't get tighter jeans and you couldn't get tighter shirts.
You know what I'm saying?
And every other person had a do rag on.
Yeah.
Or for the people that were wearing shirts.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I think there were like, in this movie, they're like all women, no shirts.
Yeah, basically.
So we're trying to get people to see this movie.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah.
The only one that ever seemed to wear one was Nancy.
Yeah.
The only, you know, cause she had a lead role.
Now I'll tell you the, the, the, the costumes, like I said, for a biker movie, everyone was
decked out.
You know what I'm saying?
Everyone definitely.
I would give, I'd give the costumes in this movie, except just like you said, I would
have to give it a seven.
I would definitely go seven because like I said, there was inconsistencies and then to
the stunt guys costumes, like in the motorcycle scene, like a ice in the chase, the big chase
scene with ice and Joe and John, it went from do rag to no do rag, do rag to no do rag,
do rag glasses, no do rag, no glasses.
You know what I'm saying?
So like they're trying to hide that it's a stunt guy, but you could have kept the scene
the whole way.
You know what I'm saying?
Cause like they would go front back, front to the back, front to the back.
And it's like, did anybody not see that in editing?
You know what I'm saying?
Like, look, we're not reaching through.
We're not rerecording this.
Oh, it's just that the stunt man or whoever they got to play, like it was so obvious that
it was not him.
Oh yeah.
100% obvious.
So freaking obvious.
You know, it would be funny if the person that looked like ice that was in the, that
I'm pretty sure that was just a stunt guy.
That would make sense, right?
Dude, that would make sense.
That would make a ton of sense.
That like, that still trips me up.
It's just, I know that it was someone else.
I think.
Like I'm not even a hundred percent sure.
Like I'm not sure if they're just like, Oh, we included ice and we just like planned his
death later.
So it's just like, okay, we just threw in the scenes where this guy's not talking in
the middle of the scene.
Yeah.
They could have done anything different.
They could have gave him like shorter hair, giving them longer hair, shaved him.
Like yeah, he didn't have to have a five o'clock shout just like him.
Guess what?
Completely different person.
Yeah.
It's just like, come on people.
Come on, lazy.
I am a little higher on the costumes score just because I like to look for like a good
silhouette.
If nudity counts as costume, my score's going to change.
And I'm saying that I'm just being clear because if nudity is counted as a costume, my score's
going to go to a nine and that's it.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, no.
I was more talking about like Baza's outfit.
Oh yeah.
I always try to think like, or when I'm looking at costumes, I always try to consider like
a solid silhouette.
Like if you have a solid silhouette, like my score is pretty high and it's just based
off of whatever I feel the rest of the cast had.
And so I'm sitting at an eight because if you were just to give me a silhouette of Baza,
you could pick it out in a heartbeat.
It's just everyone else, like, I mean, they fit the mold, like the biker gang look.
So I mean, no complaints there.
So I'm going a little bit higher because of the just the overall aesthetic, which wouldn't
matter because we round down.
So it goes like that.
Like I said, you're going to have to have a talk with Rose and ask him, are we going
to consider nudity costumes?
Because like I said, that does dramatically change scores when it comes to that.
You know what I'm saying?
Because technically, you know, they don't have to dress for it, but it's part of their
aesthetic.
Yeah, we did talk about Fifty Shades of Grey way back when.
So I don't I'd have to go back and listen to that one because I don't know if we considered
that to be costuming.
It goes like that.
Yeah.
So costumes sitting at a seven.
All right.
Last up, we got our own personal grade.
So this one up, I'll go first.
This one is a nine for me.
And the reason it's a nine because it's this one's out of a hundred.
Sorry.
Oh, out of a hundred.
OK, so if you're doing out of a hundred, then this right here, if out of a hundred, I should
have remembered that out of a hundred.
This is a ninety five.
And the reason this is a ninety five is because it's nostalgic.
I seen it when it came out in the driving.
All right.
And I seen it because my mom didn't know what I was watching because it was a double feature
and it came after the movie that I was watching first.
So I had got an eyeful.
You know what I'm saying?
So at a young age at in ninety one, I was me trying to think of I was eight years old.
So this was the shit.
And so it holds that I watched this through nostalgia glasses.
And I enjoy it.
It was fun to rewatch.
It was fun to watch again.
I don't go out of my way to watch this, but I always have a good fond memory of watching
this.
Nice.
I'm I'm a little lower.
I'm a little lower.
Real.
I think I'm going to be sitting at like a sixty seven for this.
It was.
Enjoyable.
Yeah, like it was enjoyable.
I had a good time.
I was laughing at damn near everything that this movie was doing.
It was.
A really good time overall.
Like I had an absolute blast, but just if you like it was calling shit out like all
the time, like, wait, I thought that dude was dead when when not ice was on.
Yeah.
And.
Just trying to understand, like, hey, why, why the hell did they kill the guardsman?
Because they never really explain that.
And just the fact that they bring them to the compound, kill them and then take them
back.
Yeah.
And put them in a crate.
Yeah.
What the hell is that all about?
Just weird shit like that.
It was funny.
It was fun to laugh at.
Like I could imagine getting a bunch of friends and watching something like this and just
laughing your ass off the entire time.
But yeah, overall, yes, sixty seven for me.
It was.
I respect it.
Like I said, I caught this at a very young age and like I said, it's one of those movies
that's always held a little spot in my heart.
And I'm happy that I was able to share this with you and have this conversation with you,
because like I said, nobody wanted to watch this with me.
Like I've been like I want to say a year I've been trying for a year to get someone to do
this with me.
And everyone's been like, you know, you know what I'm saying or no response, you know what
I'm saying?
And it's just like, no, like I like I enjoyed this enough to where I'd love to share.
I'd love to talk about it.
And you know what?
Like I said, the surprise look on your face every time you were describing something was
exactly imagine, like I said, an eight year old kid seeing everything that you just saw
with no parental supervision.
You know what I'm saying?
All 100 percent unrated driving movie theaters, me sitting in a car, eating a big ass bag
of popcorn and some soda watching this.
Yes.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Like I said, we will break down damn near anything.
Like I don't know if there's anything we won't break down.
Like I know other like I have a couple other movie podcasts I listened to.
I mean, hell, I started listening to Terrible Terror because of you.
Terrible Terror, that one.
So he goes hard to paint, though.
Yeah.
So it's I I know that there's a movie that every every one of those has said, like we
like this will be the last episode that we ever do.
Like if we ever talk about this movie, just know the podcast is over.
And I'm like, our standards aren't that high.
Not at all.
Yeah, all right, well, that averages us out to an 81 for our personal score.
So that brings our final All Bros and Angry Dad podcast letter grade for Stone Cold to
a C plus.
So higher than I thought I was going to get.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a that's way higher than I thought I was going to get.
That's why I love our system, because I always I still get surprised.
You know, it's like, huh, what?
C plus.
Yeah.
Oh, it is like barely.
Just slightly there.
Yeah.
So is it's at the bottom of our C plus movie.
Yeah, I can live with that, though.
I'm glad this movie made a C plus because I definitely want to hear what it's above
and what it's below.
Some of these are going to not feel great.
All right.
So it.
Wait, what the hell?
Hold on.
Something got goofy.
OK, here we go.
All right.
So Stone Cold is sitting at a six or seventy six point five.
Nice.
So that puts it below unhinged, which is at a seventy six point eight seven.
Puts it below the hit man's wife's bodyguard.
I can live with that.
A seventy six point nine one.
Puts it below Boondock Saints.
Oh, hey, I can live with that, too.
Which is at a seventy seven point one two.
The Strangers pray at night.
Nice.
Which is at a seventy seven point one eight.
And then finally, it is below Aquaman, which is at a seventy seven point three.
I could definitely if it would have just did a little bit better than Aquaman, I'd have
been OK.
The margins are super, super close, though, like.
It's not even a it's point eight percent, like a point percent difference.
So it is.
And it's so close.
Yeah, it's really tight.
Like our margins, like when I when I go through like the five above or the five below, most
of the time, it's not even getting a full percentage away.
All right, so.
Where it's at puts it above all the movies I'm about to list now are all C movies because
this was like our bottom C plus movie.
But yeah, so that puts it above my spy.
Which is a at a seventy five point eight seven.
It's a below or above the Adams family.
Which is at a seventy five point four five.
Right.
Yeah, the animated one.
OK, OK, that's a little different.
I'm about to say I was like, man.
This one kind of hurts.
A it is above Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Which is at a seventy five point three three.
It's also above the Rise of Skywalker.
Which is at a seventy five point three one.
All right.
You know, the Stone Cold got a little weight behind it.
Yeah.
And then it is above Venom, which is at a seventy five point two two.
See what happens when you miss them.
Yeah, all right.
It could have dramatically changed the score.
Yeah.
So we have twenty four C plus movies and this is placed at number twenty four.
Just there.
Yeah.
But other than Ant-Man, I wonder why Ant-Man and the Wasp is so low.
Anyway.
I think it has a pretty decent home.
The only one I'm not super agreeing with is Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Yeah, I forget.
Sometimes I forget what happened.
Yeah, I honestly forgot what happened with that one.
Hey, man.
What?
Must have been Michelle Pfeiffer.
No, it was the music.
It was the music and the story that killed it.
Which it score or this, which is exactly where it outshined or Stone Cold outshined it.
So yeah, it makes sense.
It tracks.
I mean, I'm not disagreeing with it.
I mean, a C plus is a pretty decent score for this movie.
Oh, yeah.
Now, this is extreme.
Like I said, I was predicting like D, D minus.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
I realistically like because I have an idea of where these movies can place.
I was actually like thinking like a mid C.
Okay.
Like that was like my initial thoughts on it, like a mid C, like maybe a little bit
closer to C minus.
But I thought it was good enough not to quite be in the D area.
Okay.
You know, like say, you know, when I see these movies, like I said, we talk about like a
B movie and there are C movies and there are D movies.
And this one always falls under the point because like I can talk about it.
Nobody knows it.
But if I mentioned the Boz, they know the Boz, but they don't know the movie.
And so like, you know, it doesn't hold well with age with a lot of people because like
I said, this is just like one of those ones are like, do I need to watch a motorcycle
movie?
Yeah.
I mean, our our the scores have to be really low to even reach it.
The D area.
Yeah.
So we have four D plus movies, two D movies, two D minus movies and one F.
Damn.
Like it's like like that.
Like there's I feel like we think that there's something redeemable in every movie.
Yeah.
And it's just like those few there's not.
Well, you know, there are movies that can't recover and it just is what it is.
Yeah.
But yeah, most of the time, like whenever there's just a movie that we just do not like,
it still ends up in the C range.
Yeah.
Like there's just one that we just have like we come out of and just are like, no, that
was just garbage.
Yeah.
But we need to find something redeemable about it.
Exactly.
Well, yeah.
So anyway, that concludes this week's breakdown.
Ben, thank you for joining me on this episode.
This was an absolute blast.
I'm glad that we got to talk about this one for real.
So yeah, I mean, if you have any other movies that you have been wanting to break down forever,
like hit us up.
No, I definitely will.
You know, I'll throw a few out towards you because like I said, I got a couple of hidden
gems where I'm like, I enjoy them because they're a guilty pleasure, but they're to
me, they're just a fun watch.
Those are usually the best movies.
Guilty pleasures are guilty pleasures.
They're exactly like their movies that I've continued to watch that I know are just complete
trash.
All the trash.
But it's just like, I'd like a train wreck.
Yeah.
Like I think my guilty pleasure is the Punisher movie from like early 2000s.
Oh yeah.
That one's a classic.
I don't care what anybody says.
That's the only pun.
Like I said, I love the TV series, Netflix series Punisher plays it perfect.
But that early 90s John Travolta Punisher, that is the perfect Punisher in my eyes where
it's like tactile, smooth, never fucking unhinged.
Just I'm there to do a job.
And that is why I always love that Punisher the most because like he was able to take
himself out of being a bad guy and being an antihero and was able to be like, Nope, it's
by the book and my book and it's precise, clean and smooth.
Everything well thought out, everything planned out.
I'm killing you.
You know what I'm saying?
That's it.
I love that, that, that precision.
Cause I'm a huge Punisher fan.
I've read almost every Punisher magazine comic book you can ever imagine growing up.
You know what I'm saying?
I could never, never.
War Journal was my favorite version.
It just is what it is.
And so I just love that, that version of him, you know, even though Dolph Lundgren played
a great Punisher, it still wasn't that one though.
Yeah.
I was way too young to watch that movie when I, when I did, I wasn't actually even, my
dad didn't know I was watching it with him.
I was hiding out behind the couch and just kind of like peeking from behind it.
And the scene, like it's still fricking like scarred in my brain, but the scene when the,
the dude with all the piercings is getting them like ripped down, he's just like screaming
and everything.
That is like the scene that's just like seared into my brain.
And I've seen so much more violent shit than that in like the many years that I've been
watching movies.
When I go back and rewatch that Punisher, I still like, oh, like cringed.
And then the whole, like in the, in the, in the nightclub scene fight where he puts that
knife right through the bottom of the jaw into the dude's head, I'm like, ooh, you know
what I'm saying?
And then, you know, Kevin Nash, you know, big dad, big daddy sexy, cool, fucking really
got stabbed into shoulders.
Like fuck, you know, didn't even flinch.
That was the actual scene they use.
Like, uh, you know what I'm saying?
Man, dude, that movie's, I love that movie.
Did you watch the, uh, the short film that they did for it, the dirty laundry?
There's a small clip they made, like a little teaser trailer for the, uh, for part, uh,
for a second Punisher.
They were trying to, they made it just to kind of tease the, um, the, the, the, uh,
the, the studio to make the next, you know, the part two, but they never did.
So if you go on YouTube, look up Punisher dirty laundry, it's so fucking great and so
fucking brutal.
It's like, oh, I go back and rewatch it every swap.
It's like 15 minute clip.
It's like, like that's what we need for the next fucking one.
You know?
Yeah.
Dude, I, my only hope was just because like the, the rights finally went back to Marvel
or to Disney.
Um, with Daredevil and Punisher and all that, my only hope is that if, if Disney is going
to neuter Punisher, I do not want another season of Punisher.
Well, that's the thing is like, uh, you got to remember when, uh, Disney plus, uh, cause
in, in the rest of the world, you had to adjust your TV rating for MA in a United States.
We didn't have to do that, but right when the release, the, the, um, the rights got
back to Disney, you had to go through your Disney plus Netflix, uh, thing, log in, put
in a password so you can adjust it for the TV MA.
So it gave that mature audience, uh, log on it.
So guess what?
They're not going to neuter it.
They're going to keep it the same.
And just from what I was reading in articles is the Punisher from that one that we like
is going to be the direct, the wants to be the director for the new Punisher for the
TV series and the movie, because he feels he can direct it in the right direction.
It needs to go in.
I'm down.
Yeah.
It tries.
I read it.
I was like, yes, give me that.
Oh man.
I, I'm excited.
If I'm excited for whatever the future of a Punisher comes to be.
Like I said, whether they do another TV series and continue the seasons.
Great.
Cause that was beautiful.
The way it was done.
And you know what?
If they give us a movie, guess what?
I'm going to watch the movie because I like the Punisher.
Hell yeah.
Oh dude.
See when they introduced him in season two of daredevil, the best.
That was the, yeah, yeah.
I'm sorry.
That brutal grittiness.
It is literally like he peeled them out of the comic book and put them into the real
life.
Oh man.
Dude, John Burnet Paul is just the best.
I saw him one time after season, after season one at a, an autograph signing place.
I'd never realized how short he was.
Really?
Yeah.
How, how, how big is he?
He's got to be like five, six.
Five, seven.
He's not, oh man, that I'm six, five bro.
And I'm like, no, he can't be that short.
I'm looking up his height.
Oh, he's five 11.
No, he's not five 11.
I mean, that's what it says on Google.
You're also like six, five Ben.
But you know, like my, you know, my kid is bigger than him and my kids five 11.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, well someone's.
Hey, but are you sure your kid's not just super big too?
Bro, they, they, you know what I'm saying?
You gotta boost those numbers up.
Oh, just eating facts.
I've seen them in life.
Fair enough.
Damn.
Now I, now like next time I, if I like ever get the opportunity to go see him, cause like
my wife is, is five 10.
She's almost five 11.
So I just kind of want to go, like I have that reference in my head.
That's it.
My wife's five 11.
That's why I'm like, I, when I see him, I was like, no, I was like, yep.
Oh man.
Anyway, that, that will be an interesting one.
Oh yeah.
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