What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we still have not done a new intro so we're...
Yeah, let's just skip over that.
This week...
That is also a viable option.
It works.
This week on the podcast we got some stuff to talk about with 4K Spotlight.
We got two new releases coming out this week.
For Through the Wall we just have a little bit to talk about with Halloween Ends.
Something that Jason Blum said that is kind of sad and that kind of makes me fearful for
the future of Halloween movies.
And then we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be our review of
Top Gun Maverick.
So Caleb, what do you say we get started?
I say let's do it.
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Alright, so first up with 4K Spotlight we have the new Nicolas Cage movie, The Unbearable
Weight of Massive Talent coming out on 4K and Blu-ray.
And holy shit does this movie have a lot of exclusives.
Like goddamn.
Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that this movie would have a lot.
It surprises me because I don't think it really did that well at the box office.
Really?
Yeah, I don't think so.
I mean, I could be wrong.
I thought it did.
Okay.
Let's check.
If I could spell, that would just be nice.
There's a reason I didn't graduate college.
I just gave up halfway through.
I mean, you can go back.
Oh, I know.
Oh, I know I can and I should.
Oh yeah, dude, it did not have a good box office.
Budget was 30 million.
It only made 28.4 million.
Oh shit.
Didn't even make its budget back.
That sucks.
Oh, that's rough.
But anyway, so yeah, the unbearable, I keep screwing up the title, the unbearable weight
of massive talent is getting a Best Buy exclusive steelbook, which to me looks boring as hell.
It's literally just Nick Cage.
Oh my God.
Patripest Hill.
And then what's her name?
Tiffany Haddish.
Isn't that her?
Yes.
Yeah.
I feel so bad.
Literally.
So his name is at the top because it's literally so it's a blue background and it's just their
three heads, which I think that's just boring.
I don't know what is in the background of the blue, but anyway, I just think that's
boring.
Just their three heads.
So it's a huge title of the unbearable weight of massive talent.
You got Nicholas Cage's name on the top and then on the bottom, you got Pedro Pascal,
Tiffany Haddish.
I feel bad that they got sidelined to the bottom.
That's so sad.
I mean, for a movie that is based around Nicholas Cage, I'm not that surprised.
Okay, fair enough.
Okay, I guess the background is like all the other characters throughout the movie.
So I guess that's not awful.
But I don't know, I would have liked a better steelbook.
I mean, I haven't even seen the movie, but this is my opinion.
So besides that, we'll also be getting a Walmart exclusive that comes with an exclusive cover.
And this is actually the 4K.
Usually Walmart, when it comes to exclusives and Target, they only do like Blu-rays of
exclusives.
But yeah, this is a, I don't know if this was a poster, an unused or another poster
that they used.
But yeah, this one looks awesome.
I love like kind of like the 80s, 70s or 80s vibe, like action movie vibe, 80s movie action
vibe from it.
So this one actually looks really cool.
Like honestly, I'd probably pick this slip cover up over the Best Buy exclusive steelbook.
Besides that, we have a, so we have two Walmart exclusives.
This is really weird.
So we have one 4K, which, like I said, it's that exclusive cover.
And then the Blu-ray exclusive includes a massive talent t-shirt.
So if you guys want a...
What does that look like?
They don't even show...
Wait, actually, yeah, they do.
Oh, it's just, it literally is just a picture of Nick Cage on the front and then on the
back it says, I'm back.
Jeez.
Why do I kind of love that?
Makes sense.
I mean, I'm not buying it, but like, I kind of love that.
And then the Target exclusive is, it's just Blu-ray and DVD, which I hate.
I wish this was 4K, but it's just an exclusive slip cover.
As far as I know, it doesn't say that it comes with any exclusive like bonus content or anything.
But it's like a fricking like trippy poster.
Caleb, you got to look up some of these after this.
Well, here, you know what?
Let me just do this.
I don't know if you can see that.
Can you see that?
Like a weird kaleidoscope looking.
Yeah.
I mean, it's cool.
And then, here, I might as well just show you the other exclusives.
So that's the Target exclusive.
And then this is the...
I like being on the same page as our listeners that don't get to see this shit.
Oh, yeah, because, you know, I kind of gave up doing that.
So that's the steelbook.
Okay, the one with like the three basic faces.
Yeah, so is it kind of boring, in your opinion?
That is extremely boring.
Okay, so I'm not the only one.
And then here is the Walmart exclusive 4K cover, which I think this might be my favorite just
because I love like the 80s action vibe poster.
That one's kind of cool.
Right?
I kind of want that one.
That one's super cool.
Are those pictures or is that like an artist rendition?
I think that's an artist rendition.
Dude, movies need to do that more.
I'd hire like independent artists to draw their covers.
Like I'm always impressed with covers that look like that.
Oh, yeah, same thing.
Honestly, if I wouldn't have seen this cover and waited to actually see the movie, I honestly
completely forgot that Ike Barinholtz was in this.
And then I don't think I even knew that Neil Patrick Harris was in this movie.
I vaguely remember that from the trailers.
See, I don't remember.
I remember Ike Barinholtz a little bit because isn't he working with Tiffany Haddish in the
movie?
I believe so.
And then I think Neil Patrick Harris is playing his lawyer.
Okay.
More manager or something along those lines.
Well, we need to check it out because this movie clearly did not get the love that it
probably deserved in theaters.
Yeah.
We'll add that to the list.
Yes.
I mean, we have our movie picked out for next week, but then we had like a two week gap.
So we'll figure somewhere to throw that.
Yeah.
And then the other new release coming out this week is The Bad Guys, DreamWorks newest
movie.
You'll be getting a 4k and a blur release as well as a target exclusive, which nothing
special here.
And the target exclusive is just a blu ray.
It includes a 40 page filmmaker gallery book.
So yeah, those are the two big releases this week.
If you guys want to go snag them, definitely do so.
And then I got to add this since I wasn't on the podcast last week, and I do apologize
about that guys, but I'm glad that Caleb and DJ had an amazing episode just talking
all things Star Wars.
Morbius, it's a morbid time came out last week.
So if you guys haven't picked up the best movie of 2022 so far, definitely do that.
Because I'm not going to lie, I'm not picking it up, but that lenticular slip cover that
they have just for regular 4k, it's not even exclusive, where it just slips between him
and his vampire counterpart.
It's pretty badass.
I'm not buying it.
But like it actually even looks better than the steelbook and I'm not buying the steelbook
because this movie is not worth spending $35 on.
I think like the most I'd spend on this movie is like 10 bucks.
Maybe that's reasonable.
So thankfully that lenticular isn't an exclusive.
So I actually have a chance of getting it when it comes on sale.
So yeah, so that's it for 4k spotlight.
Moving into wow, I forget because we don't really talk about news a lot.
Moving into through the wall.
Jason Blum, the head of Blumhouse Productions, if you don't know, they literally produce
almost all horror films nowadays in Hollywood.
It feels like it.
They do it on the cheap.
They do a great job for the most part and the box office that they get is just amazing.
So he was asked with this being Halloween ends, what does that entail for the future
of Michael Myers and all that fun stuff.
And I guess the reporter must have said, oh, so like is this the last one?
Is this the last Halloween movie ever?
And he said, I didn't say it's going to be the last Halloween movie.
It's our last Halloween movie.
We have no more rights to make any more Halloween.
So it goes back to Malik Akkad and what he does only he knows, but we are done.
This is our last one and I think people will be very happy.
So basically when Universal and Blumhouse got the rights to this, they only got a trilogy.
That's all they got.
I think before Halloween Kills came out.
Oh my God, what's his name?
Ah, shit, he was in This is the End.
Danny McBride?
Yes.
So he is, I think, a producer on these films.
He definitely helps out James Gordon.
Wow.
James.
Oh my God, what is his name?
David Gordon Green.
That's his name.
The director of this new Halloween trilogy.
He helped him plan this all out and everything.
And I swear that he kind of led it on like, oh yeah, Universal and Blumhouse want to do
more Halloween movies after this trilogy.
But as it says right here, it's clear that after this trilogy, the rights go back to
the Akkad family who purchased, I think they purchased the rights to the Halloween franchise
after John Carpenter made Halloween 2, or no, Halloween 3 just because he didn't want
anything else to do with it.
He was kind of tired and just wanted to move on.
So they've owned the rights ever since Halloween 4 and Halloween 4 is such an underappreciated
sequel in this franchise, I freaking love that movie.
And I've loved what Blumhouse has done with this trilogy.
I know a lot of people have a love-hate relationship with Halloween Kills.
I loved it.
I had a good time with it and I enjoyed where it took the story.
So the fact that Halloween ends is going to be Blumhouse's end to Halloween.
That scares me because, like I said, I've liked how they've handled it and I haven't
loved everything that the Akkads have added to the Halloween franchise.
I'm looking at you, Halloween Resurrection.
Roasted.
Yeah.
So that scares me.
Hopefully they proved me wrong.
I mean, I'm sure after this trilogy that the Halloween franchise is going to go into the
vault for a little while because they don't want to overstay their welcome.
I'm fearful what's going to happen to Michael after this trilogy.
What are your thoughts, Caleb?
You're a lot more well-versed in Michael Myers, but I have a feeling that if Blumhouse has
an idea for something for Michael, I doubt that they're going to be dumb enough to pass
up on that opportunity because the movies have been fairly successful, right?
Oh yeah.
They're made for like 10 to 20 billion dollars and I think both have grossed over 100 million.
So you have to imagine that the family's getting some kickback from those movies or if anything
just getting paid a lump sum to use those rights.
So if Blumhouse has an idea, I have a feeling that they're going to just let them and use
Blumhouse as a cash cow until they're blue in the freaking face because I do agree that
I think Michael needs to be put away for a minute, maybe a year or two before they touch
him again just so we can settle on this trilogy.
Yeah.
But, I mean, yeah, they'd be dumb to throw Michael in the vault forever.
Dude, apparently, so it was reported that Halloween, the first trailer for Halloween Ends was going
to be attached to the Black Phone, you know, that new movie coming out with Ethan Hawke,
but apparently people that have seen like early screenings of it say it's not and like
the Halloween fans page on Facebook has heard it from a very good reliable source that we
probably won't even see a trailer this month or maybe not the next and this is usually
about the time June when they released the first trailer for these Halloween movies.
And so Blumhouse is like really keeping their mouth shut with Halloween Ends because a lot
of people said that they definitely spoiled too much with Halloween kills.
I would disagree.
I mean, a lot of people said that they wish they wouldn't have spoiled literally that
whole firefighter scene.
Oh, yeah, that was bullshit.
Like, I would have, yeah, I would have preferred to just see that whole thing unwind on the
big screen because that whole scene just chef's kiss with Michael.
Like, oh my God.
I don't know.
I'm fearful, but I'm optimistic.
And I mean, I just I would just love to see James Duke Courtney play Michael Myers forever
because next to Nick Castle, he's embodied the shape so much like literally that scene
in Halloween Kills when Karen is holding up his mask and he starts walking towards her
and you see him just walking through the alleyways of Haddonfield.
I get freaking chills because his walk is just so dead on to how Nick Castle walked
in the original Halloween.
It's just so perfect.
Oh my God.
I feel it's a hard walk to do.
We're going to have to do a Halloween marathon, a Halloween VR marathon right before that
movie comes out.
Yes.
OK, by that, do you mean just the original and then the new trilogy?
Are we talking about every single Halloween here?
No, like the Blumhouse canon.
OK, OK, so OK, so just the original and then those three.
Yes.
OK, got it.
OK, because I was going to say, yeah, that's a lot.
I think we need a lot longer than a month to.
Well, and also, I don't want you to have to sit through the not so great sequels.
I'm aware I've sat through most of them, if not all.
Yeah, looking at you, mostly Halloween Resurrection and Halloween 5 and Rob Zombie's Halloween
2.
I haven't seen the Rob Zombie ones.
The first one I like, even though he takes away the mystery of Michael Myers, you can
understand why he becomes a brutal killer.
But the second one, literally you can ask any fan of the Halloween franchise.
And that is one thing that we can all agree on.
We absolutely hate Rob Zombie's Halloween 2.
It's so, yeah, literally Rob Zombie took what people hated about the first one to heart.
And he's just like, well, then you know what, I'm just going to make a shitty sequel.
Geez.
Yeah.
And then don't get me started on Halloween Resurrection with Busta Rhymes being, hey,
Michael, happy fucking Halloween.
Oh my gosh, dude.
It's so bad.
Oh, god.
That was so bad.
Dude, and Fricky, he kicks through the door.
Trick or treat, motherfucker.
Oh my god.
This just gets worse, doesn't it?
Dude, that movie was so bad.
Yeah, that movie does not understand Michael Myers at all.
Not even a little bit.
But anyway.
Ridiculous.
Yeah, for how much they're holding back, it makes me even more excited for Halloween
ends.
It's my number one most anticipated movie of this year, so I hope it delivers.
Yeah, you and me both.
So, before I go on any more of a rant with the Halloween franchise, what do you say we
get to our headliner of the evening?
I say let's do it.
Alright so, with this week's headliner, we will be breaking down the long awaited sequel.
I mean, we didn't wait long because we only watched the first one like a couple weeks
ago.
But for many, this is the long awaited sequel to Top Gun, Top Gun Maverick.
So Caleb, do you want to let these amazing folks that listen to this podcast, I don't
know why I said it like that, how we break down movies on this thing?
Hell yeah.
Alright, if you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final Ombrose letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All those numbers get magically added up and spit out in our algorithm and give us a personal
grade to compare this movie to others.
Yeah.
So if you have not seen Top Gun Maverick, Rose is about to spoil the entire freaking
movie for you.
So you have been properly warned and if you listen past this point, it's your fault if
you ruin the movie for yourself.
Yeah.
And also, I mean, go freaking see it if you just want a really good fun popcorn movie
to see at the movies.
Oh yeah.
We'll get, we'll be getting into it.
We will be getting into it.
There's a reason, just really quickly, there's a reason Tom Cruise fought for Paramount to
not release this movie on Paramount Plus only strictly in theaters.
And you know what?
I can understand why.
Yup.
I can completely understand that.
Okay.
So, and you know, I'm going to apologize right now if I F up like any of like the terms that
are used in the Navy just because sometimes I slur this kind of stuff.
So I apologize.
I don't mean it out of like any wrongdoing.
Yeah.
I kind of, I really F that up.
I just don't want to make anybody mad.
So.
I'll correct you if need be.
I think I know most of the terms that they use.
Awesome.
Okay.
Thank you.
All right.
Over three day, over three, I'm already F-ing up.
Oh my God.
I haven't even finished a sentence over here.
We freaking opened the gate and Rose's horse just tripped.
Oh man.
All right.
Over three decades after his time at Top Gun, Captain Pete Maverick Mitchell is serving
as a U.S. Navy test pilot.
As Rear Admiral Chester Hammer Kane approaches to shut down the hypersonic Dark Star scramjet
program and redirect the funds to drone programs, Maverick flies the prototype to its speed
objective then pushes further into high hypersonic speed, destroying it.
Kane wants to ground Maverick for his recklessness, but instead sends him to NAS North Island
as a Top Gun instructor under the orders of Maverick's friend and former rival, Admiral
Tom Iceman Kaczynski.
Or is it Kaczynski or Kaczynski?
I think it's Kaczynski.
Kaczynski.
Okay.
The commander of the U.S. Pacific fleet.
Maverick is ordered to train an elite group of F-A 18E-F Super Hornet Aviators assembled
by Vice Admiral Bo, Cyclone Simpson, and Rear Admiral Solomon Warlock Bates for an urgent
mission to bomb a foreign country's unsanctioned uranium enrichment plant.
The plant sits in a deep depression at the end of a canyon and is defended by surface
to air missiles and 5th generation SU-57 fighters.
Operating from a nearby air base, Maverick plans an attack with two pairs of Super Hornets
which will fly through a canyon and destroy the plant.
The aviators initially rebuff Maverick, particularly Lt. Jake Hangman Saracen and Lt. Bradley Rooster
Bradshaw, the son of Maverick's late best friend.
Is it supposed to say Rio or is it Rio?
Is it all caps?
Yes.
What's the context again?
So it's talking about the dad of Rooster, it says the son of Maverick's late best friend
and Rio, Nick Goose Bradshaw.
I feel stupid for thinking it was Rio.
Moving on, as the aviators train for the mission, friction develops between Hangman and Rooster
who resents Hangman's cavalier attitude towards his wingmen while Hangman criticizes Rooster's
caution.
As the aviators observe Maverick, they reassess and coalesce around him.
Maverick also reunites with former girlfriend Penny Benjamin to whom he reveals that Rooster's
now dead mother made him promise to keep her son from flying and blocked Rooster's application
to the Naval Academy, setting back his career.
Maverick later meets with Iceman, who has throat cancer and primarily communicates by
typing on a computer.
Reassuring Maverick about teaching the team, he passes away days later and Maverick along
with the aviators attend his funeral where a missing man formation is observed.
With Iceman dead, Cyclone removes Maverick as mission trainer and sets new parameters
that are less risky on approach but riskier on exit.
However, Maverick makes an unauthorized flight of the simulated course with the original
parameters proving that it could be done.
Cyclone is convinced and reluctantly appoints Maverick as strike leader.
Maverick chooses the mission team and pairs himself with Phoenix and her WSO Bob while
Rooster is paired with Payback and his WSO fanboy.
Hangman and the remaining aviators are put on standby.
The team launches from the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt while the guided missile
cruiser USS Lake Gull fires Tomahawk cruise missiles to destroy the airbase near the plant.
The team reaches the plant and destroys it but are attacked by surface-to-air missiles
and a pair of patrolling SU-57 felons.
When Rooster runs out of countermeasures, Maverick sacrifices his jet to protect him
and ejects.
Believing Maverick to be killed in action, the remaining aircraft return to the carrier.
Disordered Rooster turns back and saves Maverick from an MI-24 helicopter gunship but is shot
down by another surface-to-air missile and ejects nearby.
The two reunite and head towards the destroyed airbase where they steal an F-14 Tomcat and
head back to the carrier.
Maverick and Rooster shoot down two intercepting SU-57s but a third arrives as they run out
of ammunition and countermeasures.
Hangman arrives from standby to shoot down the SU-57 and the planes return to cheers
on the carrier where Maverick and Rooster reconcile.
Sometime after the mission, Maverick and Rooster work together on a P-51 Mustang at a hangar
near the test facility where Maverick was previously stationed.
Penny arrives with her daughter Amelia and Maverick takes her for a ride in the P-51.
Rooster walks to a photo board and acknowledges a photo of their mission's success alongside
a photo of his late father and a younger Maverick.
Hell yeah.
How bad was that?
I'll say this.
Your reading was fine.
I think it was just the synopsis of this got really convoluted with the technical terms.
So just like a really quick summary for you people.
Something that just got really lost like I did and I'd seen the movie.
Maverick starts out being a test pilot, freaking blows the plane up somehow and survives and
is able to walk away from, or not somehow, he freaking takes it way faster than that.
Yeah, I was going to say he did go past ten.
Yeah so he takes this plane, crashes it, is about to get kicked out but is taken to California
to teach a Top Gun class, like Top Gun graduates how to fly a specific mission where they need
to be very low to the ground so they're not spotted by land to air missiles and then they
also have to avoid getting in a dog fight with a more advanced plane.
And then they're just training over and over and over again.
They eventually go pull off the mission and yada yada yada.
And it all ends happy.
Yeah for the most part.
Alright so starting off with our story score.
This story could have gone a lot different in ways that I feel like I have a feeling
that we're going to get another Top Gun before too long.
You know what I'd be totally cool with that.
Yeah I have a feeling when it's going to be when Tom Cruise is like okay I'm done playing
Maverick that he's going to be like okay let's kill him off.
I don't know how I feel about that.
I would just gladly rather see him retire.
Yeah that's kind of what you would want but I mean if we don't get one I would be genuinely
shocked.
I mean I thought they were going to kill him off in this one.
I seriously thought they were too.
I was like damn okay ballsy killing off Tom Cruise.
Yeah straight up dude.
I feel if they do I don't know if they do kill him off in the third one I feel I'm just
going to expect it at this point or I'm not going to be surprised because you already
caught me out in the second one.
So yeah I don't know just yeah if they do make a third one and they do kill off Maverick
I'm just not going to be that surprised.
I mean it's going to suck.
Because like honestly this might be my favorite role Tom Cruise has ever done especially in
this movie because like I don't know how Caleb feels.
I'm not the biggest fan of the first one.
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it.
But it's definitely it's not over hyped but I feel I just didn't love it as much as a
lot of people do.
Whereas this one I don't know like getting ahead of this getting a little ahead like
this is one of the rare sequels that I feel just goes beyond the first one in every single
way.
It's so much better and just yeah.
So if they did do a third one they have a lot to live up to for how good the sequel
was and just like I said if they do decide to kill Maverick off it's just not going
to feel earned because you already kind of copped us out in this one.
Yeah and he just kind of I think my big issue and I think it's going to be more of a writing
thing.
How in the ever living shit did he survive taking that test plane out.
Like first off like taking taking it out like taking it like getting it out into the air.
Totally fine like whatever taking a Mach 10.
I'll buy that having it explode mid air.
Never expecting me to believe that he ejected going Mach 10.
You can go to hell.
I freaking loved when he walked into the diner and he's just like where am I and the kid
just looks up at him.
Earth.
That was so great.
So Brielle's so good at calling lines like that because that's exactly what she whispered
in my ear when she's just like excuse me where am I and then she like leaned over and I almost
like the exact same time as the kid they both are earth.
And I'm like yeah that just made that line so much better.
But I think I will agree with you.
I do think that this movie is better than the original.
And I the reason I think that is because they took out a lot of the 80s bullshit.
They did.
I mean they definitely still do have a lot of it in here because it feels like an 80s
movie but like modernized.
Yeah I mean honestly I was just like waiting for them.
They're gonna do a beach scene aren't they.
They're gonna do it.
And then when they finally did I'm like yeah.
Yeah I mean of course they're going to.
And I love the justification for it.
Yes I loved that it was a team building exercise.
That was awesome.
Yeah like the other one that was just to see some people without their shirts on.
Like that's just straight up what that was.
This gave a scene like that purpose and that's extremely appreciated.
I found it funny that Bob was the only guy with a shirt on.
But I mean it makes sense for his character.
Yeah.
Dude one thing that I was like really impressed by with this movie.
At least with that scene in particular.
They did not sexualize the female pilots at all.
No and I loved it so much.
I mean you can't really talk about this in character developments.
I mean I know.
This is just one of those things that I was just like okay.
They're probably gonna have like oh everyone finds that like what's her face.
The female pilot like super sexy or whatever.
Yeah.
That's what I thought.
That's the route I thought they were gonna do.
I'm like okay so there's gonna be some eye candy for the ladies and people that I can't
you can't really say that anymore can you?
Just say there could be eye candy for the people that are attracted to men and then
there's like zero eye candy for those that are attracted to women.
Actually that's not true.
Jennifer Conley.
I mean hey you never know women might like a woman in uniform that turns them on quite
a lot.
You never know.
You got me there.
Anyway hopefully that's not like on PC of us to say but I.
And during Pride Month too.
I can't believe you came up.
Yeah I know.
Now I feel like an asshole thanks.
I'm kidding.
You're welcome.
But yeah so I mean they justify that like that type of scene which if you think about
it this is just beat for beat another like just what the original did.
It is but it's so much better.
Yeah I mean you're not going through like the Top Gun process because these are Top Gun
graduates.
For some reason I actually really liked that.
I like that we didn't have to go through the process again.
Yeah.
Like you know what Top Gun is.
I already know what you know that these these flyers are wow not flyers.
Oh my god.
I don't know.
Pilots.
Thank you.
Wow.
You know that these pilots are the best of the best and that's all you need to know.
Yeah exactly.
But yeah I felt they did really good at providing the the stakes setting up the stakes.
I feel like they could have given us a bit.
This is where I'm kind of struggling to like consider this an improvement because I feel
like they set up the stakes.
Like hey this is like a damn near impossible thing to do and you need to do it in like
three weeks.
Just the way that they explain it.
Miracle one.
Miracle two.
Like this is what needs to happen for you to succeed on this mission.
God dude and the fact that like you're literally like fighting yourself not to black out.
That's terrifying.
Dude that was freaking nuts.
But yeah so seeing a situation like that like really sets up really good stakes which is
really important for an action movie.
So I'm glad that they went that the route that they did in sharing that where it's just
like we don't need trainees we need like top gun pilots.
So it's like they didn't they didn't basically completely reenact the original.
But it still kind of had like those general vibes about it.
So really like that.
I think the other the only thing story wise that I didn't care for and Brielle brought
this up to the relationship between Maverick and Penny.
It felt like it was supposed to be nostalgic when it wasn't.
Yeah that's fair.
Just because I mean this is the first that we've ever heard of this relationship so it's
not like it's not like it's the guy I forget the girl's name in the first one they had
a relationship with.
I feel if it was her and like say like they had broken up after the first movie and then
they came back together for this one.
Oh yeah absolutely it would have made perfect sense the way that they were setting it up.
But the fact that we literally know jack shit about this this relationship.
I feel like we missed a part in the middle where we were supposed to get like a full
on recap of what went down with this relationship the first time.
Yeah exactly.
Because I kept like thinking I'm like is this supposed to be the chick from the first.
That's what I thought too.
Well actually I knew that they didn't ask her to come back but I for some reason I forgot
her name in the movie so I'm just like okay like so is this supposed to be the same character?
I think it's like Charlie or something like that.
Yeah I think you're right.
So like I thought it was like the same character just recast but no it's a completely different
woman.
Yeah so that just felt odd.
Especially like when her daughter is just like just don't hurt her again.
I'm just like okay I don't know how he hurt her.
So yeah it's like dude like we don't know.
Like if they would have taken that whole scene out like if they would have taken that out
and not made it like a nostalgic thing.
If they would have just made it a he gets into town sees this hot bartender.
That's all we need dude.
That is all we freaking need.
It's top gun we're not going to question anything about it.
We don't give a shit.
So yeah so if they would have removed that this story would have been damn near flawless
but they focused a lot on that relationship and I feel overall that brought the story
down for me because it just didn't feel necessary.
I would have actually preferred for them to replace those scenes with more conflict between
Rooster and Maverick.
Absolutely agree.
I would have loved that.
Just because I love Miles Teller and Tom Cruise together in scenes.
Dude their the chemistry that they have between the two of them incredible and we'll get into
that with with acting but.
I just didn't realize how much taller Miles Teller is to Tom Cruise.
Dude Tom Cruise is short.
How short is he?
Let me see.
Tom Cruise is 5'7".
That's it?
Yeah.
How tall is Miles Teller?
He has to be like 6 foot.
Yep.
No he's 6 foot.
Okay.
So Miles Teller's got 3 inches.
Or not 3.
Yeah he's got quite a bit of height off Tom Cruise.
This is not me making fun of height.
It's just like it's just so weird seeing you know like a top grade like old time actor
being Tom Cruise just having to look up to Miles Teller.
Yeah I know well it's interesting because he's just it doesn't he doesn't come off that
short.
No he doesn't.
I thought he was at least like 5'10".
Yeah that's like around where I was guessing too.
Like I was thinking like 5'10", maybe 5'9", but now 5'7".
Poor Cruise.
Yeah he's a dinky one.
But yeah he he carries himself with with he comes off a lot taller.
But anyway I would have I would have loved to see the two of them have a little bit more
conflict and a little bit more like resolution too.
Like I would have liked it for them to actually reveal why Maverick pulled his papers.
Like get into that.
So they explain it so Maverick explains it to Penny and tells him like hey like I don't
want or I'm fine with him resenting me as long as he doesn't resent his mom.
Yeah because it was her dying wish right?
Yeah but I think for for them to have the the true I don't even know like the right
term the right conclusion to this to like their their disagreements and their fighting.
Like it should have led to them revealing like having that kind of heart to heart.
Yeah I can I mean honestly I would have loved to see a lot more of like how long he or like
how involved he was in Rooster's childhood after his dad had passed away because I mean
I don't know if like shortly after Goose passed I'm not saying like he forgot about Penny
and Rooster that's her name right Penny?
Or what was her though?
Did they say?
I don't remember the wife's name.
I forget his wife's name too.
I don't know if I said the right name.
But anyway I would have liked a lot more backstory with that with you know like how how much
involved he was with Rooster growing up.
He had a lot of pictures of him from like growing up like that's like a baseball team.
Didn't he have one from him graduating high school?
Yeah graduating he had or that could have been college I don't know.
It could have been it could have been but I think it was it could have been high school.
Anyway he had some sort of graduation he had his naval picture and then he had just some
like other random pictures here and there so it seemed like he was involved like he
was really involved because I mean obviously Rooster's mom kept or confided in Maverick
to keep him safe and he said I was trying to be the father figure that he lost.
And so that just kind of implies that they had a big role and or that he had a big role
and like that's why the betrayal was so impactful on Rooster.
Okay yeah that makes more sense.
Yeah so I mean I'm not too upset that we didn't get backstory on that.
I think it was just more they didn't conclude or they didn't close the the argument well
enough for me personally.
No that's absolutely fair and I can definitely agree with you on that one.
Yeah like I think that would have been a nice like after the mission chat or something and
it just have it have Maverick explained to him like hey this is what I was thinking this
is what I was trying to do but no he's just holding on to that information being like
I don't want him to resent his mother.
What I love is literally Rooster's like trying to tell him something before they take off
and he's just like we'll talk after the mission.
Yeah and they don't.
Yeah it's like what the hell.
You son of a bitch.
I'm back for you asshole.
Do that we'll get into that I think that falls more under writing.
I love the interaction between them when they were on the ground.
Dude that freaking scene where he literally is just running was like you okay yeah I'm
okay and then okay and then freaking just pushes him into the snow.
That was freaking great.
What the hell are you doing?
That was great I loved that.
Oh my gosh I so good.
I don't know about you so I mean the issues that I had with this story of like the biggest
one like I said was the the relationship with Penny.
Like if he just wanted a freaking like a fling like have at it we don't care.
We're not here for a love story man.
Yeah we're here for fighter jets man come on.
Yeah so it's just like the stuff that it felt like we should have known.
Like when like we said when Maverick goes like tumbling out of the roof like I thought that
was hilarious but the way that he like you said the daughters just like don't hurt her
again.
We don't understand that.
I need some context.
Yeah exactly so I'm just like you son of a bitch.
But yeah I'm just like eh or whatever like not great there.
So that brought it down a lot and then just needing the resolution between Rooster and
Maverick I would have really liked to see.
Other than that it was a really enjoyable story.
I thought they set up the stakes really well.
They set up basically just the obstacles that Maverick had to hurdle really well.
They hit us with all the freaking nostalgia from the first one.
Even the way that they set up his character and the second one and what he's been up to
since the first one made absolute sense.
Yeah didn't skip a beat.
It didn't feel like oh you're taking a whole complete 180 on his character.
No it felt completely in character.
Yeah I love that they even opened the movie up the same.
I almost thought I was like looking over at Brielle and I'm just like is this just the
opening from the first?
I thought the same thing but then I saw someone with neon and I'm like oh no that's new.
Yeah I was like well no these are new shots.
Yeah freaking when they started playing Hot Danger Zone I'm like okay yeah they are definitely
going in for this nostalgia for the first one.
And you know what I'm digging the hell out of it.
Dude that was one thing last week that because we kind of talked about Top Gun a little bit.
Me and DJ did.
Just like he hadn't seen it but I think he was wanting to and he was saying that that
was one of the things that if they are going to play that song that was either going to
be at the very beginning or is going to be at the very end.
Like they're not going to throw it in the middle like they did.
I was honestly hoping for the best of both worlds.
I wanted it at the end and the beginning and the end.
But to each its own.
Fair.
Story wise I think I'm in the high 80s for this one.
I think I'm sitting at like an 88.
Not quite cracking 90 but it was really really good.
I am a little higher than you.
I would say I'm at a solid 90 just because not a 99.
Sorry it's not that good.
It takes a lot for a movie to reach a 99 for me.
Just for how much story wise improved over the first one for me.
And I can forgive a lot and I can not completely forgive but I can forgive a little bit for
like the love story and how they did not go through with it that well completely in that
middle spot with the kid just being like oh don't hurt her again.
I feel like I needed a prelude comic to this movie.
A little bit right?
Just with that love story.
Everything else like it made complete sense.
Where Top Gun had gone or how far Top Gun has come.
All that shit made absolute sense.
They did a great job setting it up.
It's just a love story that they needed to do a better job with.
Exactly.
Getting into writing.
This one I am I think I'm going to agree with your story grade.
I am very much cracking 90.
But just barely.
I felt it was really well written.
There wasn't any wasted dialogue I felt.
And like I said they freaking hit the nostalgia right on the head without making it feel like
thrown in our face.
Yes.
And I feel that's so hard to do.
And kudos to who directed this movie.
That would be Joseph Kaczynski.
Yeah amazing job.
I mean I don't know if he did he have did he also help write it?
No he does not look like it.
Yeah okay.
Peter Craig, Justin Marks.
Yeah excellent job.
And also I'm going to give credit to also Joseph Kaczynski because y'all know how to
hit nostalgia without shoving it down someone's throat.
Yeah he he does really good work.
Our Joseph Kaczynski.
I know this movie gets a lot of hate but he actually directed Tron Legacy.
I absolutely agree with you.
I think it's way too much hate.
I enjoy the hell out of that one.
Yeah the CGI.
CGI sucks.
Yeah we're not going to talk about Jeff Bridges in that movie.
Yeah but everything else about that like if you can just let go the the bad CGI the story
is not bad.
It's not and it's just a fun ass movie.
Yeah and that's exactly what I felt this was.
Yeah I mean I'm sorry this movie is a lot better than Tron Legacy.
Yeah and I have a feeling we both know where this movie is going to excel.
Yeah I think we do.
But yeah I think I'm sitting in solid 90.
I was thinking I was going to be up more in like 91 92 but it was just I thought it was
well written.
There was like I said no wasted dialogue everything flowed and felt like natural real conversation.
Yeah like the oh shit.
Now I'll cut him some slack.
I will say this I wasn't the biggest fan.
I am going to dock him but I'm not going to dock it in writing.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Hangman's dialogue.
I can kind of excuse his dialogue because I feel he was kind of supposed to be the how
Tom Kroon no not Val Kilmer.
Yeah he was he was he was supposed to be the Val Kilmer of this movie.
I agree and I know that that was the role he was supposed to be playing.
It just did not work for me.
No that's fair.
It was just like overly bullying.
Fair and like I don't like Val Kilmer's character in the first was he an asshole.
Yes but he had good points.
Yeah like he had actual like constructive criticism about Maverick.
Whereas I feel Hangman really didn't he literally the only thing that he had was oh I saw where
your dad and Maverick how far they go back and you know of course that you know awakens
something in Rooster but it's not like he could comment on his like flying or anything.
Yeah because he's like a great flyer he's just cautious.
Yeah exactly nothing wrong with that.
So it's just kind of like yeah Hangman didn't have like a leg to stand on because I'm like
dude you freaking abandon your people like it's true like there's nothing like yeah there's
nothing good that comes from him.
But with Iceman he's like like it's it just kind of goes off of the call sign.
Like with Iceman he was cold and calculated that's what made him a great pilot.
Hangman he freaking like abandons his people.
Like that's not a good thing to like have.
I appreciate so much that on his helmet it doesn't just say Hangman it actually has
like the missing parts of it spelling out Hangman like you're actually playing Hangman.
Yeah it's I loved that touch that was great.
That was so good.
So yeah I'm sitting in a 90 for writing it was slightly better than the story just not
not totally there when it came to Hangman.
Which I'm not too upset about.
Oh also I wanted to bring this up the conversation between Maverick and Iceman.
That was that was so sweet so good.
I freaking loved how they ended that where he's like who's the better pilot and he's
just like let's not ruin this.
Let's not spoil this sweet moment.
Yeah just like that that's that's the perfect way to end that.
Yeah.
Oh yeah Val Kilmer and Tom Cruise did miss a beat with their chemistry in this one.
Yeah is okay I don't is something up with Val Kilmer like was that actually like.
I don't think so.
I think Val Kilmer is fine it's just how they wanted to write his character.
I'm going to look it up while you kind of discuss what your your reasoning for writing.
Okay.
So with writing I'm going to actually agree with you.
I'm going to do a 90 as well.
I thought it was just as strong as the story.
I absolutely agree with the points that you have.
I feel one of the strongest things that I feel that they did with writing was the banter
between all of them that were associated with Top Gun.
Just all of the banter between all the pilots from how was it Phoenix.
I know she was kind of like hesitant with Bob at first but then they got a really good
bond together and just along with her bantering with Hangman her relationship the conversations
with her and Rooster just the other the writing for especially that group of people were I
feel was very strong in this movie and of course along with Tom Cruise's character Maverick
was very very strong.
That's fair.
So that averages our story out to it 89 and our writing is averaged to a 90.
And I did just look it up Val Kilmer that was a struggle that he was actually having.
He has been he's been dealing with a throat cancer battle and so they weren't sure he
was going to be able to like come and play so our play reprise his role.
Gosh freaking words are hard today.
They were not sure if he was going to be able to reprise his role but they were able to
adjust it to what it was so he could play like still be in it.
Okay that's awesome.
Good.
Aw poor Kilmer.
But anyway moving on over to acting we have we're just going to cover like the big characters
in this which just kind of include Tom Cruise who played Maverick, Miles Teller who played
Rooster, Jennifer Conley who played Penny Benjamin and then we'll do some of the other
pilots we have Monica Barbaro who played Phoenix, Lewis Pullman played Bob, J Ellis who played
Payback, Danny Ramirez played Fanboy, Glenn Powell played Hangman and I think that's it.
Yeah you got all the major heroes.
Yeah like it's I probably shouldn't have even included Payback and Fanboy.
I mean I feel that they still had a decent amount.
I enjoyed the characters.
Yeah I mean the big ones though were Rooster, Phoenix, Bob and Hangman.
That's true.
Like Payback and Fanboy just kind of got sidelined to no end.
Was it Fanboy or Payback that blacked out?
Oh excellent question that was Payback.
That was Payback?
Okay that was an intense scene like holy shit.
Dude that was nuts.
Very well done though.
Wow.
Yeah like it's really good.
So yeah let's go top three.
You know I'm probably actually going to say the lady that played Phoenix.
I really enjoyed her performance.
What's her name again?
Monica Barbaro.
Yeah she was great.
And honestly like we talked about earlier I love that they didn't try to like sexualize
her.
She literally just felt like another one of the guys.
I loved that so much.
Yeah exactly.
She was really good.
She was kind of just the voice for reason, the voice of reason for the whole group.
And I love that she got paired up with Bob.
Bob's number four for me.
Bob was great.
Like the only reason that I wish that they would have gone over like the schooling portion
of Top Gun like the original did was I want to see how the hell Bob passed.
Dude seriously.
Or was he just kind of like always in the back seat?
I mean you never know.
Yeah.
It kind of confused me so like the whole setup between them.
Like Payback and Fanboy were a team.
Phoenix and Bob were a team but Hangman didn't have anyone and Rooster didn't have anyone.
Yeah that's true.
So like it just kind of made me like kind of got me a little confused like hey why didn't
they do anything with that?
I mean I'm sure if they tried to put Hangman and Rooster together all hell would have broke
loose.
Yeah.
Like it almost feels like they could have given like Phoenix and Bob to those two.
Like maybe given Phoenix to Rooster and Bob to Hangman.
Yeah that's fair.
I don't know.
Just an idea.
No that's a good point.
I feel if they wanted to like change it around and like kind of grow the characters even
more I probably would have put Hangman with Phoenix and then Rooster with Bob for how
much Phoenix is against Hangman.
I would have liked for them to maybe try to not because I mean they were fine at the end.
They didn't hate each other but I don't know.
I would have liked to see their relationship maybe a little more in the movie.
Right.
But yeah Phoenix is a great number three.
Number two Miles Teller as a rooster.
So freaking good.
Oh he's got a different one.
I have a different one.
I love it when this shit happens.
Miles Teller is honestly great in anything that he's in.
If it's a shitty movie Fantastic Four or Van Forstic whatever.
He is one of the bright spots of it and thankfully this movie is not shit.
This movie is actually very good and he is he definitely shines in this movie as the
son of Goose.
He's great with what he's given.
And I pulls off that mustache so well like holy shit.
Have you seen all the freaking tick tocks of people like hey we just got me and the
wife just got back from Top Gun Maverick and then like they're all in the bathroom shaving.
I sure have.
I'm kind of shocked you didn't.
I almost did but Braille really hates when it's just me and a mustache.
I feel a lot of ladies do.
But yeah and like them freaking throwing on the aviators after.
Oh man.
Dude.
Aviators are coming back after this movie.
We all know it.
Dude straight up.
Like I want to see because when the original Top Gun came out the recruitment for the Air
Force and the Navy freaking just skyrocketed.
That's awesome.
Because everyone and their mother was just like oh I want to be freaking Top Gun.
I want to be Top Gun.
So I want to I would be really interested in seeing if it affected recruitment levels.
Yeah that'd be super cool to see.
Yeah that'd be a really interesting study to do.
You gonna you gonna reenlist Caleb?
Hell no.
Well they wouldn't even take me back if I wanted to so.
Oh I'm sorry.
Whatever it's fine it's their fault.
They broke me.
Damn.
Okay this is getting a little too personal and emotional for an All Bros episode.
Emotional?
Well I don't know.
No I'm not emotional about it at all.
I'm just kind of like I had good riddance.
Damn.
Anyway.
Hey I'm pretty sure they feel the same way.
It was a mutual breakup.
Oh okay.
Alright as long as there's that.
Anyway so that's my number two and number one I mean considering I guess Caleb's is
different.
My number one is Tom Cruise as Maverick because oh my god he was amazing in this movie.
He comes back into this role grace graciously or gracefully whatever the hell word I'm going
for here.
Doesn't miss a beat at all.
I loved him in this movie more than I did in the first and I really enjoyed his performance
in the first.
I don't know if I mentioned it on the podcast yet because my brain just sucks this episode.
I was telling Caleb I wasn't a huge fan of Tom Cruise growing up.
I just didn't watch a lot of his movies but now in my 20s I'm becoming a huge Tom Cruise
fan.
I think it's freaking hilarious.
Dude I always seem to forget.
I know people kind of rip on Tom Cruise for being difficult to work with and just kind
of like an overall asshole of a human being and like the whole Scientology shit.
I feel like he gets just soaked in all this hate for his personal life but anytime I see
a movie with him I'm always really surprised by it.
That was actually really good.
It's even with his action roles I could really care less about.
I think his Maverick's really good and I really liked the Jack Reacher movie that he was in.
But my favorite roles of his are when he's playing something else like the Austin Powers
where he was playing.
Oh my god yes.
The parody of Austin Powers.
That was great.
In Rock of Ages his role in that was freaking hilarious.
I think my all time favorite role was he played the manager in Tropic Thunder.
I still have never seen that movie.
Holy shit dude.
They put Tom Cruise in a fat suit where he's balding and he's freaking just like these
big ass freaking...
He looks like horrible in this movie but he does nothing but yell.
It's hilarious to watch.
I love it.
That's awesome.
I'm surprised you haven't seen that.
That one's with Jack Black, Ben Stiller and Robert Downey.
Yeah it's been on my radar and I swear I have it on my Blu-ray but for some reason I haven't
sat down and watched it yet.
Just be warned that movie is very not PC anymore because Robert Downey is Black the entire
movie.
Yeah I've heard that.
Robert Downey story.
When Robert Downey was cast as Iron Man I was under the impression that Robert Downey
Jr. was a Black man.
My only introduction...
The only thing that I knew Robert Downey from was Tropic Thunder.
I legitimately thought that he was a Black guy that started off the movie as playing
white.
I thought he was doing white face.
They did pretty good with his makeup in this.
Then no it turns out he's not.
When he was cast I was like that's going to be really interesting because they nailed
the casting for Rhodey.
That's what I thought at the time.
They got Rhodey down.
It's interesting that they're going to have two Black Iron Men.
Then when I saw him I was like what the shit?
Why didn't I ask for the shit?
I got super excited.
I was like dude this is going to be awesome.
When I saw that he was white I was almost disappointed.
That's my fun Tropic Thunder fact.
Oh my god that's amazing.
Thank you so much for sharing that because that is incredible.
So yeah that's kind of the roles that I really like Tom Cruise in.
And he's an amazing actor.
Oh yeah he is.
Alright my number three even though he was someone that we were supposed to hate and
I did hate him but I think that just kind of amplified my feelings for the actor.
Glenn Powell who played Hangman.
Good choice.
Yeah he was my number three.
Freaking loved to hate him.
Really one of those situations.
My number two I'm actually giving to Tom Cruise.
I thought he was like don't get me wrong I thought he was really good in this role.
Like you said fell back into it flawlessly.
That's the word I was looking for thank you.
Yeah but just I think he got like slightly outshined by Miles Teller who played Rooster.
I disagree with that.
No I get your reasoning but I think Miles Teller just kind of stood out a lot.
Yeah no no no I completely understand where your rating system comes from.
Yeah so I freaking loved Rooster.
Just the character how he's and honestly I think it's because he at least the way that
people were explaining his flying kind of makes me feel how like I am.
I don't fly but when it comes to like driving like with Rooster he's a really good pilot
but he's cautious and that's kind of like what pulls his abilities back a little bit
and I feel like that's the same way with me so I think it was more I just related with
him more.
That's fair.
I consider myself a really good driver and a lot of people think I'm a really good driver.
Hey you can go kiss my ass.
No I do I'm kidding.
I swear one incident on the ice and like you freaking can't live it down.
Well hey you know what you have an incident with me so we're just gonna keep going back
and forth whenever the one person talks about how good of a driver they are because I feel
the same with me even though a group of my buddies call me the grandma driver of the
group I don't care I'm a cautious driver sue me but whenever you bring up the whole
like oh me almost driving us into a ditch I'm gonna bring up the whole you sliding on
the ice and putting a pole through your back window.
Hey no one died and it was fine so chill.
All I'm saying is if his I doubt Bronson's listening to this I'm just saying Bronson
if you were in the car or wait no I'm sorry no Bronson was in there with us.
Yeah it was Koi that wasn't in the car.
Yeah if Koi was in there Koi if you were listening I don't think you are but you know what if
you are amazing we love you man.
Koi probably probably would have gotten injured in my opinion.
I think Koi would have been fine.
Hey I think he's putting this whole situation a little too lightly.
Listen okay listen.
I'm kidding I'm kidding.
The way that we hit that pole it went up the side of my or it went up like it scraped the
front of my car so it like went up the windshield and kind of like slid across the top and then
it just kind of got like really loose and slammed down and that's what broke the window.
So it wasn't it wasn't like puncturing the window it like came slid up and then slammed
down.
I thought it still went in though.
It was still in the car like in the end it was in the car barely I might add.
Okay but it did not puncture the window.
Okay I will say the only way that Koi probably would have gotten injured if he was leaning
forward.
No he would have been fine if he was leaning forward.
He would have like honestly it would have just come down and maybe like hit his arm.
Still though there would have been an injury I just want to point that out.
I wouldn't even consider an injury so you can kiss my ass.
The freaking day that we are able to like access our memories like that's gonna be
like the first thing that I pay to like see.
Dude it's that and the me almost driving us into a ditch because I feel it was it's not
as bad as you hype it up to be.
I barely went over I barely slid off the road like I wasn't even close to the ditch.
It friggin fine that will like that would be the first thing that we friggin pay for
when we can like re-access our memories.
So do you want a memory from you know like your earliest childhood memories?
No!
I gotta prove something to this asshole.
Senior year high school winter time because I'm pretty sure they both happened and didn't
they both happen during the winter?
I think they both happened within like a week of each other.
Yeah I think so.
So you know hey they won't have to go that far with the memory so at least there's that.
But yeah we're so if we ever get to that point bros we are proving who is right and who is
wrong with us.
Absolutely.
Alright getting back into our grading.
Where are you sitting at?
Honestly I'm still in the 90s just because literally I have no problems with any of the
acting.
Everyone did a great job with their characters.
No one brought the movie down at all for me.
Like I know we talked about the whole love interest and everything being like kind of
confusing a little bit but I don't that doesn't affect the acting to me because I feel the
late what was her name Jennifer Connelly?
Yeah.
I think what she was given with what we understand of the love story she did a great job.
Yeah she did an incredible job.
Like there was no issues there so I honestly I might be I have a feeling I know where you're
going to be but I think I might be in the same area or the same vicinity.
I'm at a 92.
Yeah I was about 91 so you were like one higher than I thought you were going to be.
Okay.
Alright.
So that brings us to a 91.5 for acting.
Alright next up we got character development.
So obviously with this one we have to do it on Maverick.
What?
I'm just kidding.
Yeah I it's kind of hard to see any like growth from him.
Like especially with someone that's like just kind of on the verge of retirement and like
near the end of his career he kind of is who he is.
Yeah I agree he's the kind of person that like you know how they're talking about in
the meeting before like because they were after he you know goes hypersonic and goes
against you know what he was supposed to at the beginning and everything and they're going
over hey you know like you were supposed to you could have reached this you could have
reached this you could have reached this but yet you're still here you're just doing this
and he's content with that he's actually fine with just being where he is he doesn't want
to be anywhere else so you can't really fault him for you know not progressing his character
development because he's a character that to him his development he loves where he is
so he doesn't want to develop anywhere else.
Yeah so that's kind of hard to grade because you can't really be mad at his character he's
happy where he is so they're not ruining his character development and it makes absolute
sense why he wouldn't want to move on not why he wouldn't want to grow in the Navy because
of how they set him up in the first one that his character development doesn't like I said
earlier it doesn't take a complete 180 in this movie it makes absolute sense.
Right I think where because I have the same feelings I think where I was kind of leaning
more towards when it came down to scoring this was with his relationship with Rooster
so I was more judging the relationship that he had and how that kind of progressed because
at first it seems like he's almost like trying to avoid Rooster just because Rooster comes
in at the opening bar scene when he first gets to his base and so I mean he's dealing
with that but then when he gets into it you can tell that he's wanting to discuss some
of the shit that like the resentment that Rooster has towards him and they address a
lot of that in the air but I don't feel they ever they don't address it too often on the
ground and then they have this whole thing where they're like hey like I'll talk like
I'll talk to you like I have something to talk to you about but we'll talk about it
when we get back and blah blah blah and then they never address that and then suddenly
like they're all buddy buddy because they went on one mission together like one dangerous
mission together so I would have liked to see some better resolution there I mean I
feel the way that they chalk that up is him saying you know thanks for saving my life
and Rooster being it's what my dad would have done yeah and it's like I feel like that would
have just kind of been more of a dig than anything yeah exactly okay so if your dad
wouldn't have saved me then you probably wouldn't have you would have just let me left me to
die okay like not necessarily that it's just kind of like I don't think they should have
just they should have just wrapped it up like the story or or not the their arc together
so we had seen unfortunately this is this is where the movie suffers for me that's
for and honestly I can't agree with you there yeah so I think with character development
it was it was okay but it wasn't like anything special and I don't think it even cracks the
80s for me that's that's I don't know for me I feel like it barely cracks it but not
by much so I'm gonna go a solid 80 yeah I think I'm going to be at like a 70 seven
okay no I completely understand why I get it yeah it was it was good it was it was like
okay like oh cool they like put a nice little bow on this but hey guess what we didn't see
how the bow got there yeah like they just kind of had like hell they even could have
spent a little time discussing things while they were on like behind enemy lines that's
true like they had a freaking long fast yeah they were they were freaking walking to their
location or to their destination you couldn't give us a little something something like
honestly if they would have quick walk I feel yeah where they were to the plane I truly
believe if they would have given us that I would have been in the high 80s that's fair
that is absolutely fair but we didn't so I'm in the I would have liked that after you know
maverick sees rooster crash I would have liked if rooster would have crashed a little farther
away from the enemy's base and then that way they could have met up a lot sooner and had
more like they could have had more of a walk to the enemy's base to where they could be
talking they could actually have like a deep conversation during that I thought they crashed
like a decent distance away that's like they got to I'm pretty sure they did like it was
maverick I feel did I don't know roosters looked like it was just a hop skipping a jump
away from the enemy base I don't know about that because it was like like if you think
about it like maverick crashed and like and woke up and was running from the helicopter
and then rooster comes in shoots the the helicopter and then gets shot down and kind of crashes
around the same area like obviously it's like a far distance away from where maverick was
yeah so it was obviously within running distance for maverick I sure maybe it was just because
it was just such a huge jump cut but literally they they maverick gets to the where rooster
is they kind of they reconcile and then they're they're at the base yeah pretty much there's
no in between I don't even think there's like a full reconciliation they're just like that's
true like what the hell are you doing I'm coming to save you well what's the plan now
and then they're there I would have liked an in between between that yeah like that
would that would have been the perfect spot freaking cut the romance shit and give us
a little heart to heart with maverick and rooster exactly yeah all right so that averages
us out to a seventy eight point five for character development next up we got effects and bro
wow I'll rub it you I was on the edge of my seat sometimes for how amazing these flight
sequences were well they were all a hundred percent real I can't like oh yeah I I had
no doubt that they weren't real because oh my god like I know I think you pointed out
to me in the first one literally they had to keep reusing like yeah it was just the
same footage over and over and over again yeah where I also learned it in a visual effects
artist react video they discussed Top Gun so the stuff that they couldn't perform on
like with the actual plane footage they just got like models and put them on stands and
like had them like do you serious I didn't even notice that yeah like it's it's great
it was like all that kind of the close-up shit oh okay okay that makes sense um yeah
dude oh my god every flight sequence in this movie is jaw-dropping incredible you feel
the tension the just everything that these these pilots are feeling it's incredible and
literally every single time that they had to do like the whole like where they go upside
down oh my god I got freaking oh my god I can't get over how freaking good these these
these flight effects were effects were and oh my god oh they did an amazing job there
was not a single thing that that I saw that did not feel 100% real and considering that
you know you you were in the Air Force I completely believe you yeah I mean I wasn't like all
up close and personal with that shit that's true still you know it was just have some
experience with this yeah if if like they just nailed it like it felt like you were
there and like you said they did so good at building that tension because they're like
you said I was there were times that I was at the end of my seat or edge of my seat and
just thinking like oh balls like if they don't make this like I think like I was freaking
like losing my mind when we weren't 100% sure if like I think it was rooster like if he
was gonna make it or when the dude or what's his face freaking passed out those payback
right yes okay yeah so when he was like passed out I was just like oh no like I don't I honestly
wasn't expecting him to come back I really thought he was gonna crash I know me too that
like just shows like goes to show how much they set up that like that tension dude so
oh it was like said damn near flawless yeah oh my god oh and I think I'm just gonna get
straight into it I'm in the high 90s dude I'm actually negotiating with myself to give
this a hundred it's hard I don't like nothing's like distracting me from not giving in a hundred
I like oh I don't know man like I'm I'm truly trying to like think of something to critique
about this and I don't think of anything off the top of my head screw it I don't have anything
to critique I'm giving it a hundred shit I yeah I'll give it a hundred is this the first
effects we've ever given a hundred I would have to go and look back I don't know okay
if it is that's awesome because it rightfully deserves it yeah I'm looking there oh no we
gave a hundred to the oath really yeah but why and I'm wondering that too we gave a hundred
to ready or not we gave a hundred to into the spider verse I yeah I can definitely justify
into the spider verse we gave a hundred to us and that's it okay so I mean yeah I mean
I kind of I'd have to go back and rewatch the oath but I mean the other ones like ready
or not I absolutely remember that one and into the spider verse like yeah it so we do
have a habit of giving a hundred okay so it hasn't happened in a while yeah it hasn't
happened in a long while okay good I'm glad that this is the movie that the first one
that gets a hundred in a while all right next up we got music and for something that I like
that had like an iconic soundtrack of only like three songs but I was expecting the soundtrack
to be a little bit better on this that's fair I mean it's it's not awful I mean it is used
very well but I feel would have put what what would have put me out of ten as if they would
have used danger zone at both the beginning and the end that would yeah that would have
signified it deserving a ten yeah I just wasn't I wasn't too impressed um I mean it was good
it's still it stood out for what it was but I I think I'm more in like the eight range
I was it was good it was it was really good yeah but it just I think it enhanced the scenes
like it was supposed to and it did have danger zone and it did have like a couple other bigger
hit movies like I actually would dare say it's almost in like the seven range but I
think it was like the danger zone just pushed it up high enough for it to reach an eight
agreed all right well that averages is out to a I don't know if I covered this a 78.5
for character development a 100 for effects and an eight for music all right next up we
got costumes so this was just like a lot of flight suits I think the real costumes were
maybe the helmets and like those designs and yeah I mean those looked really good yeah
um nothing too iconic when it came to the the costumes though yeah so okay um yeah no
I absolutely agree with what you were saying um kind of like how you pointed out that the
only thing that like really added to their characters with you know minus their actual
uniforms was what were on their fighter helmets which I love that they're able to add their
own like flair to them you know you got you got phoenixes you got hangman's where his
actually I pointed out earlier his actually looks like he's playing a game game of hangman
I loved that um I don't know I thought roosters would have been a little different I don't
know why roosters not boring but I don't know I expected more from roosters I don't know
why I really don't um mavericks I mean of course looked like it did in the first one
it's the same helmet which you know is good I'm glad that they kept the same um I can't
remember was there anything special about Bob's not that I recall okay um but yeah I
it's tough to figure like to know without a doubt what their personalities are like
because when you get like the all the story that you need is behind your call sign whenever
you do get your call sign but it's not something that you like it's not something you choose
it's something that's given to you yeah and so I think that was something that maybe the
the filmmakers were missing out on like okay why would rooster have been called rooster
that wasn't his middle name was it because I can't remember why was good why was goose
called goose in the first one that I don't know that was like another thing like it's
I mean I would just assume that they probably called him rooster just because his dad was
goose and so they're like okay you know like let's let's give him another bird name yeah
um the I've seen a lot of tiktoks like just confirming this and um from what I know the
the call signs that you you receive are never for anything good oh shit um like there was
a um okay okay here's one there was a pilot that I I personally did not work with um but
his call sign was milk you said milk right yeah milk m-i-l-k milk okay and his call sign
was milk because on one of his first flights with the unit like like before he like because
sometimes you get a call sign when you're in flight school sometimes you don't and like
it's just kind of like it just you it just depends like you you when you're like start
out flying you just kind of go by your name until someone comes up with a call sign for
you okay um so yeah he did not get his call sign until he first flew with the unit and
he started getting called milk because he um was drinking like some yogurt drink and
threw up all over his console because it's something that he did oh shit okay yeah yeah
so yeah it wasn't great like it was it was after he landed so it didn't like affect any
of the instruments but yeah yeah he landed and and didn't have enough time like it just
happens sometimes but yeah it was like i said your your call signs never because you did
something good oh shit okay all right like they can sound badass but the story behind
them are not okay okay i love it okay so i mean they kind of addressed that when it came
to hangman there because like hangman like that's a cool call sign until you realize
hey it's because he always leaves his uh his wingman out to dry yep yeah it's a perfect
name yeah so anyway yeah i uh other than mavericks and hangmans no one else really stood out
yeah i i agree so with that i think i'm still i'm at an eight still same all right last
up we got personal score you want to take this one first i would love to so overall
oh my god i i honestly loved this movie um this movie is to me a superior sequel it is
so much better than the first one in every way um tom cruise is at the top of his game
playing maverick in this one miles teller is great the whole ensemble cast is incredible
in this movie um just this is the reason this is a movie that you go to the movies for this
is this is a popcorn movie you have to see on the biggest screen possible i honestly
wish i would have seen this movie in cinemark xd because i would have loved to see these
fighter jets on the my just let my eyes be able to experience that dude i would have
loved to experience this in like one of the cinema 40 dude oh dude yeah the air just like
coming at you when they're taking off yeah that'd be so oh dude we gotta go to one of
those one day i know they're very few and far between we miss the perfect movie to do
that right ah damn it that's what sucks about it it's like we have the perfect movie but
we're just damn if if they make top gun three we gotta see it in 40 or 40 xd whatever it's
called oh that'd be the shit yeah um yeah like i said to me so much better than the
first one because i wasn't the biggest fan of the first one but i loved the hell out
of this one um yeah such a great time if you guys haven't seen this movie please go check
it out it's such a good sequel um and it's just so much fun so much fun um so i i'm in
the i am in the 90s um just trying to think what i'm at you know what i'm gonna go a 94
oh damn yeah i i enjoyed the hell out of this movie i i loved it nice um i did not crack
the 90s unfortunately i still had an amazing time with this movie i thought it was super
fun um it just it hit all the beats for me um i i think it was just like talking it over
like after the movie with um with my wife she just kind of brought it down a little
bit not too much like if if it did it brought it down maybe like three points like when
i came out i was just like for top gun movie because i really liked the the first top gun
movie um i was just like this is killer like this is freaking badass and i love it um this
one same thing but um it's just not super high on my score or on my um my end i really
wish that we could have seen this in 40 that would be the absolute shit um but yeah and
what one thing that i think is really good about this movie despite how much we've discussed
it i don't think we spoiled it yeah i would agree with you on that it i mean like yes
like story storylines and like all like plots and all this stuff like yeah we totally spoiled
that but this isn't something that you you have to experience this movie it's it's yeah
despite how often we talk about or how much we talk about it there's no there's no ruining
it no you have to see the flight sequences for yourself there you can't spoil them yeah
so i think i'm going to be at like an 86 nope not 76 that's a huge difference yeah
maybe i enjoyed it i only got to talk it over with my cat yeah so i not quite crack in the
90s but don't i hope that doesn't make people think i didn't like this movie because i did
and i i do feel like i will i'm gonna go and re-watch this dude freaking i'm pissed at
myself because i so i already pre-ordered the steelbook thankfully it's not an exclusive
so you can get it anywhere but i still get my steelbooks all at best buy because you
know they actually for the most part know how to ship steelbooks unlike some companies
amazon um but freaking so i waited too long to get the originals 4k steelbook and so i
had to pay aftermarket price for it it was 50 bucks compared to 35 damn yeah it sucked
but it was worth it because it would just look weird if i didn't have both top guns
on steelbook if i have because you know i'm that kind of person so unfortunately yeah
so i hate it um but yeah so there's my little story damn all right well that averages out
to a solid 90 for a personal score uh so with that that concludes this week's breakdown
and the final albrose letter grade for top gun maverick has come to a b plus whoo yeah
so it is sitting at an 88.62 percent so this is one of our higher b pluses it's just two
percent away from being an a minus you know it was really funny so i was looking at the
score for top gun before we recorded this and i saw was that b minus i'm like okay we're
getting that to we're getting the second one to either an a minus or b plus that's what
i'm shooting for so yes yeah um okay where is it sorry trying to find it on the the list
all right so top gun maverick like i said sitting at a b plus 88.62 percent which puts
it on the exact same level as luca oh okay um puts it a little bit below the unicorn
store which is at an 88.87 percent it is below the mitchells versus the machines which is
at an 89 percent okay it is below our updated spider-man far from home score which is at
an 89.20 and it is below rise of the planet of the apes which is at an 89.25 all right
and then it puts it wait did i say those were above or below i swear you said below yeah
okay yeah yeah all right going the other direction puts it above how to train your dragon two
which is at an 88.37 percent puts it above the invisible man which is at an 88.23 percent
puts it above the prom which is at an 88.12 percent you seem kind of bummed out about
that one i'm actually not yeah yeah i i'm totally fine with that nice um let's see it
is above rea and the last dragon which is at an 87.81 and then it is above parasite
which is at an 87.59 wow it's above parasite oh nice yeah so parasite is like i guess like
i think we've said this before our margins are so freaking tight the difference between
top gun maverick and parasite is barely one percent oh damn okay yeah with top gun maverick
being at an 88.62 actually it's not even one it's actually not even one percent yeah so
the difference between top gun maverick and parasite is 0.3 no i can't math right now
it's okay i can never math okay never mind it is one it's it is a little bit over one
percent but barely it's like 1.2 okay so it's like the mark the margins are so freaking
tight yeah damn no kidding so i mean we i think the reason that i like keeping the percentage
is because if if someone asks us like hey is this movie better than this one we can
say definitively like yes it is or no it isn't but all in all we can still group it into
like smaller like oh it's a b-plus movie yeah it's a good point like you may not agree with
our like percentages or our ranking but i mean it's real freaking difficult to argue
with the the final grade i want to see how much the original b i thought you said top
gun was a b- i thought it was oh there it is i'm freaking dumb so the original top gun
got a i'm just gonna freaking freaking hill just being dumb good yeah i'm just trying
to okay so the difference between the original top gun and top gun maverick is 8.3 percent
okay so i mean they're relatively they're pretty close to each other yeah so i mean
i dig it yeah i mean we all know our personal feelings on it i feel maverick is miles better
but you know yeah i mean but still that's not a super bad margin for an old 80s movie
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