What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I am Jonathan.
And I am Caleb.
And at this point a new intro is just not gonna happen.
So just...
Oh my gosh we're so stupid.
One day.
Gosh we...
I have a ball I'm gonna say.
Gosh I knew there was something we were forgetting dude.
Like it's every freaking week I'm just like god like anytime we're doing like the whole
outline and everything I'm just like we have we're missing something I just don't remember
what and then we start recording and I'm like oh yeah.
Let's hope next week we actually remember.
We'll see.
Probably not.
Eventually.
But anyway.
Welcome to the All Bros Podcast on this week's episode of the podcast.
We'll be talking about some 4k spotlight.
We got a movie coming out that both of us really really enjoyed.
It was actually a movie that we broke down last month.
It'll be coming out.
We got nothing for Through the Wall.
We did get the first trailer for Hocus Pocus 2 but there's really not a lot to talk about.
Don't get me wrong I'm excited for it.
Like holy shit it's amazing to see those three back together again.
But nothing much in ways of like talking about other than being like hey it happened.
Yeah exactly.
I do like the teaser at the end when the guy's just like are you looking for the stage and
she's like of course.
So after we talk about that 4k spotlight item I don't know why I said it like that.
We'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be finally like finally
god this is like we've been talking about breaking this movie down for what like a month
or so.
We'll be breaking down Dreamworks The Bad Guys.
Hell yeah.
So Caleb what do you say we get started?
I say let's do it.
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Alright so with 4k spotlight we have everything everywhere all at once come to both 4k and
blu-ray and we actually have an exclusive and I think I am going to go out and pick
this version up on Tuesday if I can find it because I can't express how much I love this
version.
So it's a Walmart exclusive and it's a so it's just an exclusive slipcover but it's
amazing because it has freaking googly eyes just all over the slipcover that's that's
what the slipcover is this is googly eyes nice right oh and yeah I need this in my life
so yeah.
Other than that that's the only exclusive for this movie but if you guys haven't checked
this movie out please do yourself a favor it's an amazing movie like I said me and Caleb
enjoyed the hell out of this movie I honestly say that we loved this movie.
So yeah if you guys haven't seen everything everywhere all at once do yourselves a freaking
favor and go watch this wonderful film.
Yeah absolutely gosh so good so good yeah oh yeah.
So yeah that's that's all I got for 4k spotlight.
Well sorry I did forget another one god damn it because you know I have stuff in my job.
It's every week with you.
Shut up okay.
Every freaking week is that it?
Hey yeah that's it.
Kate in my defense you say new releases what if this is just like a movie that's already
been released but it's finally coming to 4k does that still count?
No god damn it.
I feel this was a big enough movie to announce it.
Edge of Tomorrow is coming to 4k.
It absolutely was not worth bringing up that movie was not good.
Really have you seen it?
No and I pre-ordered the steel book.
It's an action packed Groundhog's Day which is cool I guess.
That sounds awesome.
It wasn't my favorite so I mean maybe you'll like it better than I did but.
We will see I'll still be sending you the code though.
Fair and I'll still take it.
Yeah well yeah of course you will it's a free freaking movie.
Can't argue there.
Okay so that is it wait they're releasing Okja?
I didn't know that.
Yeah you know that Netflix movie Okja?
You ever watch that?
No.
It's like about the girl and the elephant.
The shit?
Oh yeah this movie came out in like 2017.
And then it's the first time it's coming to Blu-ray and 4k at that matter.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah I think it's the first time it's ever been released on Blu-ray.
That's freaking awesome.
And I think it's the yeah it's part of the Criterion collection.
So you guys have wanted to own Okja on a physical format.
Here you go.
God damn it I missed another movie.
This is actually a new release.
The sequel to the Downtown Abbey.
Downton Abbey movie.
Downton Abbey in New Era.
That's coming out as well.
Geez you're just killing it this episode dude.
I am and that also wait I don't think that has a I don't think that has a steelbook.
I think it's just a 4k in Blu-ray release.
Then also I guess and this is an exclusive you can get a limited edition gift set that
is just Blu-ray and DVD.
It comes with collectible photo book postcards and a tea strainer.
Okay because I want a tea strainer.
Yeah because I want a tea strainer with my Blu-ray set.
Okay so yeah there you guys go.
If you want to pick up Downton Abbey in New Era definitely get that gift set.
Okay I promise that is it.
There's no other new releases coming out.
Shit dude.
That are worth talking about.
Shut your ass.
So like we said we have nothing for through the wall.
So Caleb what do you say we get right into our main event.
I say let's do it.
Alright so for this week's main event.
Oh my god.
Main event.
Not back I guess.
Dude what is up with you.
I don't really know.
I really don't.
I'll let you know.
But for this week's headliner we will be breaking down Dreamworks the bad guys.
So Caleb do you want to let everyone know how we break down movies on this podcast.
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a.
I just had a total brain fart moment right there.
Ha it's not on me.
To come to a final All Bros letter grade.
So the eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development,
effects, music, costumes and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All those numbers get magically added up in our algorithm and spit out a letter grade
for us.
To compare this to other movies that we have discussed or done this system for.
So with that if you have not seen the bad guys go check it out.
As of the day this releases.
When this releases you should be able to go check it out on Peacock.
And then if you are listening to this anytime obviously within a four month window of this
coming out.
It should be on Netflix after that.
Oh sweet.
Or you could also buy the physical version of it.
Or you could do that I guess.
Those are the two ways that you can watch it right now.
Or right now.
Technically it's only one way or I guess you can buy the physical copy.
That's like one way to watch it.
Or you could go.
Physical media is still a thing Caleb.
Not for long.
Don't even talk that way.
How long do you have to wait to buy the physical copy after a movie comes out?
I'm not going to discuss that.
Yeah.
You can go to hell.
Anyway.
If you have not seen this movie.
If you have not seen this movie go check it out.
Then come back and listen to our breakdown.
But if you don't mind this movie getting spoiled.
Hey we're your guys.
So Rose is about to spoil the entire freaking movie for you.
So take it away.
Here we go.
In greater Los Angeles where humans and anthropomorphic animals coexist.
And I have to say they really don't explain this that well.
They don't even explain it at all.
It's kind of just like oh hey.
It's kind of just like hey they coexist.
That's all you need to know.
I'm pretty sure I saw like normal dogs in the background too.
What the shit?
It's like they have random ass anthropomorphic animals and then some that aren't.
Yeah like the cat.
The cat didn't talk.
There's a cat that literally is just a cat.
Meow.
That's it.
Just like a cat.
It's kind of one of those goofy Pluto situations.
Yes.
There we go.
That is a perfect way to put it.
Don't get me started on that.
Ugh.
Anyway.
In greater Los Angeles where humans and anthropomorphic animals coexist.
The bad guys, a gang of infamous criminal animals led by the cool headed Mr. Wolf, commit
brazen thefts.
I think I used that word right?
Is it brazen?
Yes.
Okay.
Thank you.
They commit brazen thefts and successfully evade the authorities due to the public's
interpretation of them as inherently bad animals.
After being insulted by Governor Dianne Foxington on live television, Wolf convinces his gang
to pull off a heist to steal a valuable award called the Golden Dolphin from guinea pig
philanthropist Professor Marmalade during his inauguration at a gala.
During the heist, Wolf inadvertently helps an elderly woman and is praised for the good
deed leading to Wolf becoming afflicted by his wrongdoings.
After the gang is exposed and arrested as a result of a failed attempted escape, Wolf
persuades Marmalade with Foxington's approval to reform them, planning to take advantage
of the pretense to steal the award again.
Marmalade invites the gang to his home, but they struggle with his lessons unable to adapt
to good behavior.
After a heist for good to rescue a herd of guinea pigs from a research lab fails due
to Wolf's second-in-command, Mr. Snake, eating them, Foxington decides to call off the experiment,
but relents when Wolf confesses that he despises being hated for his species, where she admits
she understands and has hope for him.
Wolf contemplates the matter and finds himself rescuing a cat from a tree, which Marmalade
records and publishes, turning the public image of the gang around.
However, Snake fears that he is losing touch with his friend.
When the gang execute a new heist to steal the award again during a gala, Wolf cannot
bring himself to finish the plan.
Suddenly, a meteorite on display is stolen, causing the gang to be blamed for its theft.
When they are arrested, Marmalade meets them in private and reveals that he stole the meteorite
and has planned for the gang to take the blame, and mentions he was the old woman that Wolf
had helped.
In prison, Wolf explains to his gang that he doesn't want to be a criminal anymore,
and that they can be better, but Snake refuses, believing that the world will never see them
as anything other than monsters.
Their fight is interrupted when the Crimson Paw, a notorious criminal, rescues them, revealing
herself to be Foxington, who reformed when she attempted to steal the Golden Dolphin
herself.
Upon reaching safety, the gang abandons Wolf for betraying them, but when they return to
their hideout, they find it completely emptied of their loot, as Wolf revealed its location
to Foxington early at the gala as compensation for his crimes.
After Snake willingly gives the childish Mr. Shark his last possession, a push pop, out
of kindness, the others realize that they can change their ways and proceed to help
Wolf.
However, Snake denies it and abandons them to ally with Marmalade, who plans to use the
meteorite to power a mind-controlled device to hypnotize an army of guinea pigs into
stealing charity funds.
Meanwhile, Wolf and Foxington break into Marmalade's home to steal the meteorite, only to be captured
by Marmalade and Snake.
They are rescued by the remainder of the gang, then steal the meteorite and proceed to foil
Marmalade's heist.
They arrive at the police station to turn in the meteorite until they decide to bring
Snake back despite his betrayal.
During the chase, Marmalade betrays Snake as an advantage.
During the chase, Marmalade betrays Snake as an advantage, the gang risks their lives
to save him, and Marmalade steals the meteorite back.
After rescuing Snake and destroying Marmalade's mind-control helmet, the gang surrenders to
the authorities to prevent Foxington from revealing her former criminal past.
Marmalade attempts to take credit for recovering the meteorite, but is revealed to be a fake
plant by Snake, who had faked his defection.
He switches it for a meteorite-shaped lamp and overcharges the real one inside Marmalade's
basement, causing it to violently implode the entire manor from afar.
When lamp meteorite falls on Marmalade, a diamond he stole from Foxington falls from
his suit, which authorities recognize as having been stolen by Crimson Paw years ago.
Implicated as the Crimson Paw, Marmalade is arrested and his credibility is destroyed.
Ten years later, the gang is released from prison in light of their good behavior, partnering
up with Foxington to begin their new crime-fighting careers.
Hell yeah.
Super convoluted plan.
Just a little bit.
But I think that just kind of goes with this Ocean Eleven knockoff.
I wouldn't say knockoff, I'd say like, Ocean's Eleven for kids.
Isn't that how you put it?
It's basically animated Ocean's Eleven or Twelve or whichever one you want to say.
And it makes it even better, what makes it even better is freaking when people kept telling
Wolf, do not pull the Clooney on me.
Some shit like that.
That was freaking hilarious.
I'm like, okay, that's a nice nod to Ocean, the Ocean films.
You know exactly what you're doing.
And you know what, I'm here for it.
I'm loving this.
So the story here was pretty decent.
There was some times here where it started to drag a little bit.
I think the whole goodness training fell a little short in terms of the pacing that they
were going for at the beginning.
Yeah, I agree.
Because literally it felt like it was just that whole, I don't know, the only one that's
really not pushed out, expanded on is when they're trying to save the cat from the tree.
And I hate that they mark it as like, oh, it was a team effort.
They saved the cat.
I'm like, no, it was just Wolf.
That kind of annoyed me.
The others didn't do shit.
Yeah, they wanted nothing to do with that damn cat and yet they all get the credit for
it.
And then suddenly one video of Wolf doing this and then they're like, oh, they're reformed.
Yeah, they love you guys.
No, they should only be loving Wolf.
Nothing against the other guys.
But he's the one that did the selfless act.
Yep.
So I mean, there were just, honestly, there were issues all around with story.
I mean, for who this movie is for being like young kids and maybe tweens, it's not bad.
It's one that I'd feel comfortable sitting my child in front of and just kind of like
leaving the room.
That's fair.
I wish that there was more like good leading up to when they perform their first and only
good heist.
Yeah, right.
And it just felt like the turn for Snake being good or doing that selfless act of giving
Shark his last push pop came out of freaking nowhere.
Yeah, it did.
Is it just me or did you want a push pop after watching this movie?
Dude, I was eating a freaking popsicle.
Oh, you lucky son of a bitch.
I didn't have any popsicles in the house and I was kind of sad.
I was so tempted to drive to Walmart or even my work and just go buy one.
But I resisted and I was proud of myself.
But yeah, so it's just like they focus so much on Wolf's turn to goodness that they
just kind of sidelined everyone else's.
So when everyone else turned over to the good side, it was like, okay, what?
Like literally the only thing that we're given is to why they're like, oh yeah, let's be
good is that they get that feeling of Wolf bringing up like, oh, my tail started wagging.
I felt like, as you put it, a good boy.
And so they all get that feeling except for Snake.
Mr. Snake is the only one that doesn't get it.
But I don't know about you.
Supposedly.
He did actually have it in the elevator.
Oh yeah, he did.
Yeah, thank you.
I don't know about you.
Maybe it's just me.
If I was a bad guy for that long, it would take more than that for me to be like, oh
yeah, I want to be good now.
Yeah, right.
And it's just that's just where that's honestly where it fell short.
Like there were and I think that's more of a writing issue than anything.
Yeah, we'll get into that.
But no, sorry.
No, no, you're good.
No, I was just going to say like, I kind of I really in this is I feel like a writing
thing too, especially like with character character writing.
I really would like I get that they really just wanted to focus on Wolf and a little
bit on Snake when it came to the the character writing.
But honestly, like I would have loved to have so much more character arc for like Mr. Piranha,
Mr. Shark and was it Miss Spider or Miss Webb?
Or no, Miss Tarantula.
Yeah, Tarantula.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know, like we got good stuff from them, but I would have just wanted a little
more.
I get that they're this they're the side characters of the bad guys.
But I don't know, I think the fact that like they turn over so fast, I feel if we would
have gotten a little more from them from the rest of the movie when it leads up to the
ending of that, I feel the whole like switch that fast would have been a lot less a lot
less of a blow.
Right.
Well, it's also the fact that they the only people in that group to do a selfless act
other than the team as a whole was freaking Snake and Wolf.
Yeah, that's true.
Like they gave they gave the push or Snake gave the push pop to Shark and then suddenly
everyone's tail is wagging.
Like you guys didn't do anything.
You watched a good act be done.
Yeah, I don't think that counts.
So it's like I would have really liked maybe more individual goodness training for them.
Yes.
And then then just like and then seeing that they're just kind of like denying that that
goodness or kind of like having that moment of like, oh, like, hey, that felt good.
But then like, no, we're bad guys and kind of want like showing that they're having that
struggle where they're just like, hey, but no.
Yeah, I will say the Dreamworks does get some points in my book.
I know this is based off a book or a series of books, but I don't ever since I was a kid,
I always loved the villain more than the hero.
I don't know what it is.
So whenever even like as a as a grown adult, whenever I see like any studio take on giving
the villain an actual character arc and like just seeing them grow throughout the movie,
I freaking love it.
Like I might have had some problems with the story, but I still enjoy where they actually
take the villains and what they do with the character arc and just the characters in general.
So I would if like my biggest positive is to say with this movie is kudos to Dreamworks
for being able to pull this off pretty well.
Yeah, they do.
They do a decent job.
It's just not.
It's just pacing, really.
It's just like all I think I'm going to be grading the writing portion a little harsher,
but it's just with flow and everything.
It's just that goodness training that I thought was going to be for like a while ended up
being like what a weekend.
Yeah, I'm like you're going to try and rehabilitate someone in a weekend.
Like what the shit is that?
Like you can do goodness training and make it last a while if you want it to.
Yeah, I don't think the chief of police would give you a thumbs up if he came here.
You're just like, oh, hey, look, we cured them in a weekend.
It was that easy.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, freaking bullshit.
But yeah, so it was weird because it was like super fast paced in the beginning where it
was like everything in the beginning.
Like you get the introduction to the team.
They're performing a heist or they're in the middle of the heist and then they get home,
kind of have their like your little calm down moment and then they get called out and it's
just like, all right, now we're going to go do this other heist and that that heist goes
on for a little too long.
Fair.
And then it's like goodness training for like a short little bit, but somehow it feels like
really long.
I feel maybe like the reason why they kept it so short is when it came to like the next
event of them being good, like they never were actually going to.
Like they were pretending the whole time.
So maybe that's why.
That's where I feel like you could have had more of them struggling with it, like struggling
with the goodness.
Then you could have made it done more of a like the training montage where they're trying
to deny it.
And then that way when it like comes down to it and then they're like, OK, yeah, now
we're now we're doing it.
Then that would make more sense for like Wolf and all of them to like struggle pulling off
this heist that they kind of don't want to pull off.
And all this other shit.
And then it's like, oh, and then suddenly they're framed for.
For this stuff and it's yeah, it's just kind of like, I don't think you guys did this.
Good enough.
Yeah.
So.
Friggin the opening heist.
Oh my God, I freaking loved it.
Yeah, that was great.
That was like so much fun and like such a good introduction to the team.
It was.
Yeah, they'd friggin yeah, that opening with Fox and Fox.
Wow.
Wolf and Snake literally just sitting at a restaurant and then it pulls out to like literally
everyone just like huddled up against the wall, like terrified for their lives.
Dude, that was hilarious.
Yeah, it kind of gave me.
I don't know why, but pulp fiction vibes.
Oh, yeah, I can absolutely agree with that.
Yeah, like I thought that I thought that was super fun.
Like a really good.
Just introduction to everyone and how everyone feels like all that stuff was done so well.
It's just as the movie went on, it just kind of fell apart.
Yeah.
And then it picked up really good at the end, which is just like everything in the middle
was just kind of it felt like a mixture of just bad pacing, bad storytelling and then
bad.
It's just everything else.
Yeah, yeah, I can agree with that.
So it's just not the biggest fan of that.
But story overall, I think they did pretty good.
So I think I'm I think I'm in the low 80s, maybe 81.
I think I'm going to go a little higher than you.
I'm going to go an 83.
That's fair.
All right.
So that averages us out to an 82 for story.
Next up, writing.
This one, I'm low.
It's just yes.
It's not like the writing for me.
That's the dialogue is not bad.
The dialogue is not horrible.
It's just like you try to pull the whole Ocean's Eleven thing and the Ocean's Eleven thing
was like good, but you had like way too much like betrayal and like and double crosses
and you're just like, gosh, just freaking come on.
And I'm sorry to say you can spoiler alert.
Well, duh, we already read the spoiler.
So you can see the villain reveal coming from a mile away.
Yeah, absolutely.
Like come on.
Like you guys didn't even try to hide it.
No, you did not.
Like, ah, shit.
I yeah, writing.
I just knock you lower.
No, like I was already pretty frickin low.
I'm sure I'm not like ridiculously low, but I'm low.
It's just I don't know.
It's like the conversations that they had, like there were very few conversations that
everyone was having that felt like they went together.
It almost feels like they were they recorded this separately from each other.
They actually did.
Did they really?
It shows a lot of.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, a lot of the audio was done remotely because this was made during COVID or like
you like the big part of COVID.
OK, and that's more of an acting issue.
I just want to make sure that I'm saying that right.
Yeah, but it totally feels like that.
It's like nothing quite flows really well.
And it's just some of the dialogue was just kind of like off.
Yeah, it straight up says on their Wikipedia voice acting was done remotely due to the
COVID-19 pandemic.
Totally makes sense.
Yeah, we'll get into that.
But it's I don't know.
Sounded good.
At least there's that.
Yeah, it's just it's interesting that this is a.
A book adaptation.
I actually looked it up.
The guy the guy who directed this has never directed anything else.
He is so he he's an animator.
OK, so it's kind of like what Pixar does with a lot of their animators.
They give them their first time directing like the guy that directed Lightyear.
That was his first movie.
Yeah, so it was just he did a few a couple of shorts and then he animated this and his
next project is also going to be a short.
But you can like knowing that information, it does like really stick out.
The writing was just kind of weak and obviously, spoiler alert, the the animation on this was
really freaking good.
Yeah, like it had like a bit of like stylistic, but also like the classic DreamWorks animation
that we're used to.
Yeah, exactly.
Which I loved.
So unfortunately, it's just writing is where this fell apart.
Yeah, I can.
What I really I mean, I feel it might be weird if I went to like Barnes and Noble and like
picked up the the actual books on this or books that the movie is based off of.
But I want to know is if in the books, Mr.
Shark, Mrs. Tarantula and Mr.
Piranha have if they have like a little more more character writing in those like.
Well, this being a whole series of books, I would imagine so.
That's true.
So maybe we'll get a sequel and they'll be.
I doubt it.
I highly doubt it.
I mean, it made decent at the box office.
Did it?
Yeah, maybe not.
It like the budget was 90 million and I think the box office was like 242 million.
It's not horrible.
Yeah.
And let me double check that anyway.
For my writing score, though, I think I'm in I'm sitting at like a solid 70.
I'm still like I'm a little higher.
I feel with this, I'm like in almost every category.
I don't know why.
I feel like I'm just going to be like slightly higher than you because, yeah, I'm going to
actually go 75.
That's fair.
So that averages out to a seventy two point five.
All right.
Next up, we got acting, which we have a freaking killer cast.
Yeah, dude.
Up.
Yeah.
So first off, playing Mr. Wolf, we have Sam Rockwell playing Mr. Snake.
We have Mark Marin, Miss Tarantula played by Awkwafina, Mr. Shark played by Craig Robinson,
Mr. Piranha voiced by Anthony Ramos or yeah, Ramos.
And then I'm going to say Professor Marmalade was voiced by Richard Aote.
Yeah, I think that's how you say his name.
Let's just go with it.
Yeah.
And then just because she was a pretty decent part of it, too.
Diane Foxington or the Crimson Paw was voiced by Zazie Beats, which I'm pretty sure.
Oh yeah, that's exactly what I thought it was.
It's Domino from Deadpool 2.
Oh, nice.
Wasn't she in another thing, too, that we saw?
Oh yeah, Joker.
That's what it was.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that one.
I did, too.
Yeah, the next door neighbor.
Yep.
All right.
So who's in your top three?
Number three, Anthony Ramos as Mr. Piranha.
I had no idea that this was...
Good choice.
Right?
He was so good.
I had no idea this was Anthony Ramos.
Freaking...
Dude, right?
Anthony Ramos in the Heights.
That's so cool.
I hope he continues to get work because the guy's a really good actor.
Dude, he's a great actor.
He's a good voice actor.
Yeah, he did it for like how crazy he had to be with Mr. Piranha.
He did a great job.
Number two, I would give to Mark Maron, who played Mr. Snake.
Wonderful performance.
Had a great time with his character.
And then number one, definitely, Sam Rockwell as Mr. Wolf.
Amazing job.
I love Sam Rockwell in anything.
Even if it's a complete shitty movie, he saves that movie because he's such a great actor
and he's actually a very good voice over artist.
He killed it as Mr. Wolf.
And I loved listening to him portray this character.
So that's my top three.
So I have the same number one as you with Sam Rockwell.
But you're absolutely right.
There's a movie, I forget what it's called.
I'm pretty sure it was on Netflix, but he was playing some like hitman guy that was
super into...
Ah, geez, I just forgot her name.
Oh, isn't it like Mr. Right with Anna Kendrick?
Yes.
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
And that movie was garbage.
But he was awesome.
Yeah, so he's my number one.
Like you said, great voice actor, great voice acting.
I'm actually going to give my number two to Anthony Ramos.
His Mr. Piranha was so good.
Like I had like I almost I have a hard time with with characters that are like super hyperactive.
Like exactly like how Mr. Piranha is.
But it's just the way that he was able to like chill out every once in a while kind
of made him a little bit easier to swallow.
Yeah, I feel it's perfect way to put it.
Yeah, like he just calmed down long enough for me to be like, OK, and just kind of catch
my breath from him.
Whereas other like crazy characters like just are on the entire time and it's annoying.
But he did a great job.
And then I'm going to give number three to...
I think I'm going to give it to Richard Aoty.
Excellent choice.
Eww voice.
Professor Marmalade.
He had the perfect voice for this complete and utter suck up.
Right?
Oh my god.
Perfect.
Yeah, when I think of like snotty, not snotty, but yeah, just a hamster that is an absolute
kiss up.
Yeah, this is definitely a voice that I could hear coming from it.
He was so good.
And when he switched it, like it's like he was effortless when he switched into villain
mode.
It was so good.
Like I knew he was coming and I'm just like, OK, like you said, we knew he was going to
be a villain.
But once he made that turn, it was incredible.
It was incredible to witness just because he...
I don't know what he did with his voice.
If he did anything, it might have just been the animation just kind of playing it up.
But the way when he switched into villain mode, I was just like, like I'm sold, like
absolutely sold.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
Like I said, I don't know if it's because he's not a very good villain or good guy voice
or if he's just like, I don't know what it is about his voice, but he he sold both sides
of that coin so well.
Like he almost had me questioning it in the in the end when I'm like, is he going to be
the villain?
And then he switched.
I'm like, yes, yes, he is.
I felt a hard thing to do.
So kudos to Richard Aoty.
Yeah.
So loved it.
Loved it, loved it, loved it.
Yeah.
So for for the main team.
So with with Wolf, Snake and Piranha, I was pretty high on my scores.
Oh, and Marmalade for Tarantula, Shark and the Crimson Paw.
I was a little bit lower.
That's fair.
And then the extras were just.
Yeah, they didn't really do that much.
I feel like.
Like I feel out of like the bad guys.
And this is nothing against Aquafina, but I feel that Miss Tarantula is probably my
like when it comes to voices, probably my least favorite.
And it's and it's not like I said, it's nothing against Aquafina.
It's just all I could hear was Aquafina.
I really didn't hear the character.
And maybe it's just because I'm just so used to Aquafina's voice and the way that she shouts.
And so like, you know what?
I don't know if that was like I understand where you're coming from.
I don't know if that's the problem, though.
Like go with me here.
Like, OK, I might be completely wrong here.
Because again, like Tarantula out of the bad guys team is lowest for me.
But I think the reason she's lowest for me, because I love Aquafina.
But the oh yeah, I do, too.
The reason I think she's so low is because they kind of.
Played her off as the straight man.
Like she didn't really make a lot of jokes.
Or there wasn't a whole lot of humor to Tarantula's character.
Yeah that's true.
OK, yeah, Caleb solved it.
That's why.
OK, yeah, yeah, it's nothing against Aquafina.
The way I said there was nothing against Aquafina.
Yeah, it's that.
Yeah, that's purely a writing issue there.
We love you, Aquafina.
Hell yeah.
Acting a little high, not I'm not super high on acting.
Because I think even though I thought they did really well.
I think my highest score was like in the eighty seven range.
OK.
But that's like the top.
So that's like Sam Rockwell and Snake and all of them.
Everyone else bringing it down just just a hair.
I think I'm in like.
I'm at 80.
I was at the same score.
Really?
Yep.
Love it.
Perfect.
All right, so that averages out to an 80 for acting.
Moving on over to character development.
Again, this is where it had issues.
Like the arc overall, like if you think beginning to end and only those two.
The arc's good.
It goes from bad guy to good guy.
The issues in the middle.
Yeah.
And it's hard to do just one character because like you could do Wolf and have it be like,
oh, this is like a great arc.
You get to see all of his progression and whatnot.
But I think with this being what it is with the team, you kind of have to score the whole
team.
Absolutely.
Great.
Yeah.
This has to be a team effort.
Yeah.
And with Wolf and with Wolf, you get to see like a pretty decent arc.
Like him alone, I'd be in like 88, 89 range because I thought it was pretty good.
You get to see him kind of struggle with the idea of being good and like all that fun stuff.
But where it starts to fall apart is the rest of the team.
Snake does like, is just constantly trying to deny goodness.
The rest of the team aren't super for it.
And you don't really get to see them struggle with that conflict of being good versus bad.
You just see them witness something good happening.
And then they kind of have like secondhand like, ooh.
And then they're suddenly like, yeah, we're full team good now.
And you're like, ehh.
Are you though?
Like not really about that, dude.
Yeah.
So with them, it's just like, it's seriously black and white.
Like it just suddenly like switch flips and suddenly they're on the side of good.
At least with Snake, you kind of got to see him.
Like I mean, you can argue that the same thing happened with him, that it was like some switch
flip for him.
But because of the whole like trying to betray Marmalade and everything, which pretty decent.
But still, you don't get to see like that struggle of goodness.
He's super against being good because he's like so worried about how people will perceive
him.
Yeah.
Or not because, or he's afraid that people won't perceive him as good no matter what
he does.
Yeah.
He feels that people will never change their mind.
That's what they've always seen him as and that's what they always will see him as.
So I mean, it was just interesting because like the rest of the team, they never had
that struggle.
You never see that.
Even in that moment where they were receiving the reward, or not the golden dolphin thing.
Even when they were getting their accolades for that, you saw Wolf was like, oh wow, they
finally see us as good guys.
You didn't get to see that from anyone else.
They were all like looking at Wolf like, hey, you going to freaking do this?
Yeah, it's true.
And so, and then it's like they're showing their frustration with Wolf and it's just,
eh, not great.
Yeah.
So, unfortunately, I think the rest of the team freaking drags them down.
So for that, I think I'm in like 77 range.
Like I said, Wolf alone, mid to high 80s.
But the rest of the team just like drag him down like a freaking anchor.
Yeah.
I think I'm just going to give it one point higher at a 78.
Wolf just boosted me up just one point.
Alright, so that averages character development to a 77.5.
Alright, next up we got effects, which in this instance is going to be animation.
Amazing animation.
Yeah.
I mean, usually DreamWorks always does a great job with their animation, but yeah, they honestly
outdid themselves with this one.
I agree.
I love how this kind of had like a comic book feel to it.
It did.
Yeah, I was trying to put my finger on how best to explain it, but yeah, that's perfect
right there.
Yeah, it kind of gave me into the Spider-Verse and like the Mitchells versus the Machines
vibes.
Yes, absolutely.
Like where they were putting the cartoon like black outlines and it's just, but the expressions
too they were able to show really well.
It almost kind of had like anime feel to it too.
Like a little bit of everything.
So are you a fan of the direction that DreamWorks is going like this with their animated films?
Like keeping it like the same animation they had, but like also like adding a little more
stylistic to it?
I love that.
Like I love how Puss in Boots.
Yeah, I love how Puss in Boots looks.
Like the trailer that I think there's only one trailer for that right now, right?
No, there's two.
There's two?
Okay, I've only seen the first one, but I love it.
One doesn't really give you that much, but it's still a good trailer.
I love the stylized looks.
I don't know if you've ever seen the Spark shorts on Disney Plus?
No, I have not.
So those are awesome.
Those are like pure stylization.
It's classic Disney animation, but with like stylized in different ways.
Like there's one where they, like I would love to see a whole movie done like this,
but it's 3D animation, but they're colored in with comic book dots.
Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, and they play around with that a lot.
It is so good.
I'll see if I can find the name of it for you.
But yeah, please.
I love the stylized.
It's something a little bit more intriguing to look at rather than just a 3D model kind
of just doing whatever.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I love harsh, like I think I'm more of a fan of 2D animation than I am 3D animation.
That's fair.
I will fully admit it.
Considering the Bob, you know, it's not the movie we're talking about, but considering
that the Bob's Burgers movie was the first 2D animated film, hand drawn animated film,
whatever you want to call it, that we've seen in years, like hasn't it been like since
the Princess and the Frog?
Wasn't that the last?
It's been a while.
But yeah, the fact that that was like the first one we've had in so long, that I mean
that movie is great, but that movie that just made that movie even more special.
Oh yeah, I truly miss seeing that.
Yeah, there's just something about it like, I don't know.
And that's kind of what the vibes I got with this movie.
It felt like it could have been 2D.
I honestly would have loved to, yeah, I would have loved that.
Considering that this is, you know, like taking, you know, like the big bad wolf from, you
know, classic stories, I think that honestly could have worked in its favor.
Agreed.
Absolutely agreed.
This is why I want to do, come December, I want to break down Claws on Netflix.
Yes.
Because have you seen that yet?
I haven't yet.
I want you to see that one.
I love that animation style.
And it's two dimensional with some 3D, I forget the term for it.
It's mostly 2D with some 3D assets thrown into it.
Some, not very many.
And I think it's just for reference for the 2D animators to use.
That's the only reason that they use it.
So I love it.
I love that animation style.
Like I said, very, very into the 2D animation style over 3D.
Yeah.
But yeah, I freaking love this stuff, this, like the animation that they were able to
do with this.
It looks so good.
So good.
Yeah.
It just kind of had a feel for everything.
It kind of had like a comic book feel, a little bit of an anime or manga feel.
Like it's just kind of like a little spice of everything.
And I love it.
Yes.
Absolutely loved it.
Like if this is what, this is what I view now as like the DreamWorks style.
Yeah.
And if they continue, then kudos to them because I think that they're heading in the right
direction.
Yeah.
Like even with the, I know that it's like the newest movie with the minions.
I don't view the minion.
It's hard for me to remember that the minions is, oh wait, that's not DreamWorks.
No, minions is Illumination.
That's right.
Yeah.
So now I feel like Disney has a very distinct style and now I think DreamWorks has found
theirs.
Yeah.
And I love that.
Yeah.
So this one kind of hard for me to give it super low.
So I'm not going to.
I'm going pretty fricking high.
Yeah, me too.
You know, I'm going to go a 95.
I will actually go a little higher than you and go to a 97.
All of it.
All right.
So that averages us out to a 96.
All right.
Next up we got music, which I did not remember the music that well.
Yeah.
I don't remember honestly anything.
I mean they had like, you know, like car chase music during the car chases, but that's just
like hyped up music.
Yeah, there wasn't anything too special about this.
It did what it was supposed to.
I'll say that.
Yeah, exactly.
Got you all hyped up.
So I.
I'm in like a seven.
You're at a seven.
I was leaning more towards a six, but I can meet you at seven.
I mean, I can be talking to a six.
You can be talked down to a six.
Yeah.
Yeah, you know, you could.
Yeah.
Oh, you know what?
I'm going to get, you know what?
I think it deserves a six in my opinion.
Yeah, I'm going going six.
It was good.
It was.
It was good.
That's all I can.
Yeah, it did its job.
But in a good way, not like it's like, oh, it did its job, but it was shitty.
It accompanied the scenes in the way that it was supposed to.
But in the end, there wasn't anything like outstanding and no super catchy tune or whatever,
which I feel this could have used.
Yeah.
You know, OK, I'm sorry to say, how did they not use bad to the bone?
Like at some point?
Oh, my gosh.
Right.
Do that easily would have bumped this up to an eight.
Yes.
Yeah.
Like literally, as they're like leaving the gala after they like take after they've like
successfully taken the dolphin, literally, they could just be playing that like work
it in some way when they're just walking off altogether.
That would have been perfect.
Yeah, that would have been great.
Shit.
Well, that's a huge opportunity.
I know.
Wish we could have gotten that.
Yeah.
All right.
So six it is.
All right, next up, we got costumes, which for this is more character design.
And I enjoyed it quite a bit.
I did, too.
I had close to no issues.
I thought that and this is something that I'm like boosting my score for the way that
they were able to utilize Mr. Snake was extremely creative.
Right.
Holy shit.
That was so cool.
Yeah.
Like you almost it.
The way that they animated him almost made up for the fact that he doesn't have hands
because he was using his tail and his body in like a bunch of different ways to grab
stuff or like what they they were able to do.
To a fist bump with his tail.
I mean, come on.
Like that just pure perfection.
Yeah.
I freaking loved the addition that Mr. Shark wore a shark tooth necklace.
Oh, my gosh.
That was hilarious.
I loved that.
Yeah.
Honestly, all the the outfits that everyone wore, like I really like those.
The only one that I wasn't the biggest fan of was Mr. Wolf's when he was wearing like
the black jumpsuit.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, he should stick with a suit.
Yeah, I think that he he need if if he was going to wear something like that, he needed
a hood like like Crimson Paw did or just something that didn't feel like it was like squeezing
his head and making him look super goofy.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
Because he just puts off this personality that he's like, oh, super suave and and all
this other cool stuff.
But it's just.
That didn't didn't track.
Yeah, it did not.
Yeah, everyone else looked really good.
My personal favorite is Mr. Piranha.
You know, same here.
Mr. Piranha is my favorite, too.
Like I love that he's just kind of like this tiny.
Like what do you call like a bouncer type?
Like he has like the little overalls and everything with like a white button down that's kind
of opened up really wide.
Like I loved it.
Yeah, it was great.
Yeah, Shark was super good.
Tarantula was I mean, I would agree, but I love how you put it like that.
She's I. Yeah.
And yeah, everyone else was.
It was pretty, pretty decent.
Yeah, I loved Mr. Marmalade's outfits and his.
Oh, my gosh.
Right.
So good.
Yeah.
And the silhouette here, too, like like I said, a good character design or costume or whatever
leaves a good silhouette.
This has an amazing one.
Like if you were to just black out all of these characters, like you would know exactly
who they are.
Oh, yeah.
Easy.
So that that bumps my score up a little bit, too.
So where were you at?
No, honestly, I'm at nine.
I was at like a soft nine, maybe like a really strong eight.
But I'll give you nine.
All right, so we got nine for costumes.
All right.
Last one.
Personal score.
Don't mean to go first.
Whichever.
I can start.
OK.
I feel we're like always bad of being like, oh, hey, who wants to start?
But overall, this is a very enjoyable dreamworks movie.
I will say it doesn't reach the levels of like dealing with a bad guy's redemption arc
as well as Megamind did when it comes to Redemptive Bad Guy arcs.
I feel Megamind does stand taller than the bad guys, but that doesn't take away at all
from this movie because it still is a very enjoyable Ocean's Eleven movie for kids, like
Caleb put it.
And that's the perfect way to put it.
All the bad guys are great.
Kind of blast watching them on screen and the supporting characters are pretty good,
too.
Yeah, I had a pretty good time with this movie, so I would say I'm going to go an eighty five.
Nice.
I also had a fairly good time with this movie.
I think there was a good portion in the middle where I started catching myself dozing off.
It just had a really difficult time keeping my attention until it picked up on the action
again.
That's fair.
Once they got back into that, they had these like gags that they were doing.
I loved how they were like racing out of Marmalade's place, but then they stopped to get the cat.
And then it was just like, come here, come here.
And then they caught it and they're like, all right, and then like, I love shit like
that.
And so all that stuff was great.
It's just the middle is where it lost me.
And like I said, I had some major issues with like the writing and how everything was kind
of just super overcomplicated.
This would be a really hard movie, I feel, for a kid to grasp.
It's just like, wait, I thought he was a bad guy.
Oh, I thought he was a good guy.
I think it'd be super confusing to follow, which I'm not docking for at all.
It's just a point I'm bringing up.
It just, for me, wasn't my favorite, but I still had a good time.
So I am actually sitting in like 78 range.
Okay.
Like it's at a level where I would watch it again, like no problems.
But it'd have to be like special circumstances or something.
Okay, fair enough.
All right, so that concludes this week's breakdown of The Bad Guys and the final All Bros letter
grade for The Bad Guys has come to a B minus.
Not bad.
Not bad at all.
It's actually a little higher than I thought it was going to get.
How did you think it was going to score in the C range?
I thought it was going to get like a C plus.
That's where I thought it was going to get, but it scored pretty decent into the B minus
range.
So let me pull those up real quick.
All right, so it is sitting at an 81.81%.
Not bad.
Yeah, definitely not bad.
So that puts it above Holiday and Handcuffs, which is at an 81.78.
It puts it above Birds of Prey, which is at an 81.75.
I thought it was also a team movie.
Sorry.
Yeah, right?
Puts it above The Matrix Reloaded, which is at an 81.66.
Puts it above Late Night, which is at an 81.37.
And then puts it above Deadpool 2, which is at an 81.08.
Oh shit.
Yeah, I feel like we're going to catch some shit for that.
Probably.
But it puts it below Bing the Ricardos, which is at an 81.87.
This is not one that we have an episode on, so don't feel like you have to go back and
find it.
Let's see.
Do go watch that movie.
It's great.
Yeah.
It's below Spiral, which is at an 81.93.
It's below The War with Grandpa.
That one's actually surprising to me, which is at an 81.93.
Oh wait, these are all 81.93.
So we have three 81.93s.
Oh shit.
So it's below Spiral, The War with Grandpa, and Rogue One, which are all 81.93.
Honestly, now if we were to go back and re-rank Rogue One, I might even rank it higher than
that.
Well, we'll have to go back and look at the scores for that one, because that one was
pretty good.
And then last up, it's below It Chapter Two, which is at an 81.95.
Okay.
Not bad.
Yeah, not bad at all.
So yeah, that's where it's at.
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You know what?
I don't blame you.
Next week on the podcast we'll be breaking down- I'm fired, forgot the name.
What's it called again?
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Thank you.
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