Let's get ready DJ.
God damn it Vic.
What's up bros, I'm Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the podcast we actually have a special guest.
Vic.
What's up guys?
God damn it.
What's up?
So yeah, we're joined by Vic from Crash and Taz Movie Cellar.
Once again, you know, the unannounced fourth host, even though he just keeps moving down the list.
I was grandfathered in.
I was grandfathered into that third host package.
Technically even counting the original episodes that you were on, DJ has been on more episodes than you.
Here's the thing though is when you want to look at things in terms of quantity versus quality.
I would say that, you know, I would say that, you know, our context, all of the context for our shows alone are still, you know.
DJ, are you going to take this?
Take it.
We're going to take it, bro.
I guess he's holding it back for just a little longer.
Straight up dry dog and raw dog in it, bro.
That's it, bro.
Take it from the third host.
Dude, now I want to go back and see whose episodes have been listened to more.
Let's be real though.
It was probably it's probably his because a lot of the shows I've been on before, like, I feel like you guys were on the up climb still.
So anybody that would have met you, they probably you know what I mean?
Like when I find new podcasts, I don't listen from the beginning on.
It's kind of like I'll go maybe a month back or so or whatever.
So I feel like, you know, they'll probably hear a lot more of his because he's the more recent ones.
I think he just called our old stuff shit.
No, no, no.
I'm just kidding.
I'm saying it all.
Well, that's like that's something about our show.
Like if it was like a conversation format, I think that would be one thing.
But ours is like movies.
So people can go back and listen to whatever movie they want to listen to.
I guess you're right.
But I think once they once you realize, no, you're right.
You're right.
I guess maybe I don't give enough time to most podcasts like when I'm listening.
Once I hear something like that, the reference is pretty dated, which is like give or take two weeks.
And I know like, oh, shit, I've got to I've got to now like go back or like I don't know.
There's like no surprises at that point.
But you're right. Because those are conversational podcasts.
I would say I would say you're right.
I think people could definitely go back and listen to the beginning one.
So I'll save you the time.
Then ours probably have the most listens again.
So DJ is really holding back.
I'm impressed.
I'm really, really waiting for him to jump on guys.
OK, DJ, I know you're looking at here this episode, but I should you not took me like 45 minutes to even get my stuff working.
And then not only that, I'm thinking I'm thinking DJ is going to jump out as they're introducing their guest.
You know, it wouldn't be that original because again, the shows I'm on, it's it's quality versus the quantity there.
But, you know, so that surprise really got you.
But, you know, I'm not going to lie.
I've been waiting for karma to bite me in the ass with that.
Yeah, I feel like we just created a a wall of just paranoia with you to do straight.
I've always going to think whenever I'm on your show that he's going to just pop up.
He's going to pop up.
And then not only that, I was listening to his most recent episode and he he jokes about saying that they want to go see Love and Thunder.
And then his wife is like, we haven't seen that.
And I'm like, shit, is he joking?
And again, this might be this is like an hour or two hours or so before I'm about to record with you guys.
So I'm listening to this and I'm hearing it.
And, you know, she's like, we haven't seen this.
And I'm like, motherfucker, is this guy joking or is he like, is he trying to like plant these seeds of doubt or even fear that he's just going to pop up like psych?
I actually did watch it.
I'm here on the all bros.
You know, here's number four.
You know, that's what I'm thinking, bro.
I'm thinking like, like, surprise, cohost number four is here.
And then, you know, it's like, oh, hey, what's up, number four?
You know, that's what I'm thinking is going to happen while you guys are about to introduce me and stuff.
What's up, the real number three?
I mean, I guess I guess we're, you know, we're a few minutes into this episode already.
So if he hasn't jumped out by now and, you know.
Yeah, I swear, I want to get both of you to record like just a random intro so I can play it whenever you guys are on.
Oh, my God.
I'm high enough right now that once we're done, I will probably do that for you.
Do not worry.
And I want you to play mine every time that DJ is on with you guys.
That's what I want.
That is exactly what I want.
Oh, my God.
And I'll specifically say, what's up, guys?
Here's host number four, DJ, joining you with the Albros on whatever platform you're listening on.
And then cue the classic Disney, you know, Magic Wand thing to make the Disney Channel thing.
Yeah.
And there it is.
And then, boom, DJ is going to be like, well.
Have you guys like seen the behind the scenes video of that?
Oh, my God.
Dude, those are so awkward.
Dude, especially like most of the time, they're not even frickin drawing the actual Mickey ears.
They're just like, oh, just scribble in the frickin air.
Yeah.
Dude, those are my favorite.
Those are my favorite videos to watch when they like actually track where the wand is going.
Yeah.
Wow.
Oh, boy.
Anyway, on this week's episode, we got one item to talk about with a 4K spotlight.
And it's actually a movie we literally broke down a couple of weeks ago.
Like, holy shit, this was fast.
We got nothing for food.
Was it a couple of weeks ago?
I feel like it was five weeks ago.
That's still a that's that's less than a month.
That's that's a little over a month.
That is true.
I want to I want to go see like opening weekend.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah.
So holy shit.
Wow.
So we'll be talking about that.
And then we got nothing for through the wall.
When was the last time we actually did talk about something for through the wall?
Do you know?
No, like they don't really shit new like for news anymore.
That's true.
Hopefully next week, we'll have a trailer to talk to you guys about if what happens
or hopefully what I've been told happens, we'll have some things to discuss.
So look forward to that.
And then we'll move it on to our headliner of the evening, which will be our breakdown of Thor Love and Thunder.
Hell, yeah.
So, gentlemen, what do you say we get started?
So let's do it.
Let's do it.
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All right.
So hold on.
Hold on.
I thought DJ's voice was about to pop on there or something.
I truly was.
There is a there is a true paranoia that was created on that episode.
I want you to know that there truly was there truly is.
And I love it.
Dude, I've been asking.
I've been asking him and the rest of the Inner Circle Network for a fricking like promos and shit to play.
And no one's fricking sent me any.
Awesome bullshit.
I know.
Fricking pisses me off.
I'm like I have like four that I cycle through.
I have angry dad Ben's who I just played.
I have Brucker's the autopsy of a horror movie.
The it's kind of funny that all four of the shows I have promos for DJ has some sort of like relationship with because angry dad is part of the Inner Circle Network that are the Inner Circle Podcast Network that DJ is a part of.
Yeah.
I have Brucker autopsy of a horror movie who is DJ's unofficial or basically his rival for the shit that he was talking on Scott Pilgrim.
I have you.
And then I have the mixed media forest podcast which I think DJ and and that guy are buddies.
So like this show is just basically like a side piece of untrained eye.
You guys get around or they pass you around I guess.
Yeah, I think that might be the case.
You're like the communal the communal joint, if you will, like, you know, puff puff pass puff puff pass the Albers around.
It's not bad.
Yeah, it's not a bad deal.
You too.
I swear.
Anyway, moving on to a 4k spotlight.
We got a huge movie coming out this week one that both I both Caleb and I loved and that is the Bob's Burgers movie.
So that will be coming to 4k and Blu Ray.
And it's actually getting a Best Buy exclusive steelbook.
I'm actually very shocked.
I thought this would just be getting a bare bones 4k and Blu Ray release.
But I am very happy that it's getting a steelbook release as well.
I already have this pre-ordered because of course it looks awesome.
It's literally literally the whole steelbook is kind of like the outline or like the setup of the restaurant.
And you know, it's simplistic, but I kind of like it.
Like the outside of the restaurant or so the front is the outside and I believe the back is the alley and then the inside is the actual inside.
Oh, that's sick.
Right. It's a really good idea for a steelbook.
So that's the creative shit that every steelbook should have.
Right.
Thank you.
It's either like shit like that.
They should have an artistic rendition of the of the show or movie or whatever like happened, kind of like the the unbearable weight of massive talent did.
Like there was like an artistic rendition like, gosh.
I freaking love that shit.
Freaking love that shit.
Or have people do like like their own little what's it called like send in like not commissions, but I guess like like like have the viewers make their own or design it.
You know, like do a competition.
Whoever wins, they get theirs like fucking used as the next steelbook.
I wish companies would do that.
That'd be so awesome.
Dude, I mean, that's so sick. That's comic books with their variant covers.
You know, they need to start doing a different artist send it and stuff.
Well, because it's like so they're re-releasing kind of the Halloween kill steal book.
But now instead of like being like drenched in red, Michael's like all kind of in black.
So like they literally replaced all the red with black and has like the same thing and everything.
But I wish that the inside artwork, because it still has like Laurie walking down the hallway, even though that scene isn't in the theatrical cuts and the extended cut.
I wish it would be when Michael's walking out of the house as it's on fire because they have amazing shots of that.
Just put that in the steelbook. That'd be amazing.
That is seriously one of my favorite shots ever.
Michael Myers like, oh, my God, I get freaking chills just watching him walk out of that house slow mo.
I know this has nothing to do with Bob's Burgers, but I get freaking chills when I see Michael Myers just walk out of that house.
It's so badass. But anyway, Bob's Burgers movie.
Go pick it up on 4K, please.
This movie deserves the love because unfortunately did not do well at the box office and it sucks because this is a great TV to movie adaptation.
Did it really not?
No, the budget was like twenty five million and only made twenty million.
Dude, that sucks.
I know. That movie was so good.
But a lot of people have said that may be the case, but they feel that it's going to find its home on streaming, which I agree.
I feel it really will. And also, it's honestly a miracle that for how much developmental hell that Bob's Burgers movie went through that it actually even got released.
I'm so glad it did. That movie deserved it.
Oh yeah, so good. Have you watched it yet, Vic?
I haven't seen it yet.
You son of a bitch.
Dude, well it's on Hulu.
Rose is out to get me, man.
It's on Hulu and it's on Easter.
Listen, hold on. Let me publicly apologize, Rose, for not being able to make it to the last two appointed movies that we've been scheduled.
Pretty sure it was the last three.
Was it three? Hold on.
I want to point out that Caleb holds more of a grudging instu with that, not me.
Probably.
Hold up. You were supposed to be on for...
Doctor Strange.
Yeah, where the hell is Doctor Strange?
I don't think I was on for No Way Home.
Oh no, you were supposed to be on for Doctor Strange, you were supposed to be on for Morbius, and then you were supposed to be on for No Way Home, but you sent in your scores.
The only reason you're on that freaking artwork is because I needed it.
And then you were supposed to be on for Black Widow, and I don't think you were on there for that one.
Damn man, that was a whole summer ago.
Yeah.
Wow, Vic.
And then... were you on for Shang-Chi?
I swear he was.
I think I was. I think I was on that one.
Yeah, okay, so we'll forgive that one.
And then you did the untrained movie seller with DJ doing Far From Home.
That's right, that's right. And it still did worse.
In all my efforts to get it higher, it made it worse.
Dude, there's been a couple movies since where it's been a little bit higher than yours and DJ's score.
Or the new updated one, so every time I bring up the new updated score, I chuckle to myself because I'm like, the freaking DJ must be pissed, or Vic must be pissed about that.
Oh, shit.
But yeah, so there's been a few.
There's been a few. So I publicly apologize, Rose. I am sorry. Life was a bitch.
Well, just know we're putting you on the schedule for all future MCU movies.
All right, penciled in. You are penciled into all future MCU movie recordings from now on with me. I mean, that should have been the case. I kind of was supposed to be, but like I said, life, life, man, life.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Yeah, so next one.
We're here for Thor.
What's the next one? Is the next one Black Panther?
Yes.
Yes, November.
Hell yeah.
So, yeah.
See you there, DJ.
Oh shit.
All right, so, see, see, Vic, it's on Hulu and HBO Max, so you better go watch it.
All right.
All right, man.
I'll do whatever it takes to make it up to you, Rose.
Okay, you know what, that's all it's gonna take is just watch the Bob's Burgers movie.
Wait a minute, let me ask you one question then. Hold on.
How many episodes are you in on Avatar the Last Airbender?
All right, moving on.
I haven't picked up.
Oh my god.
It's all right.
Okay, I take back. You don't have to watch the Bob's Burgers movie.
I would say it's all right, but I know Caleb's gonna say it's not all right.
No, it's not.
I know.
And we've gone into very long tangents on this. I keep interrupting you.
Yeah, it's been that long.
Well, before I get yelled at anymore, I'm kidding.
What do you say we move into our headliner? I almost said breakdown.
Headliner of the evening.
Let's do it.
I say taste my hammer.
All right, so if you guys are new to our...
Fuck, I'm already fucking this up.
To our breakdown system. God damn it.
If you are new to our podcast and don't know how our breakdown system works, Caleb, would you like to let everyone know how we do things on this podcast?
Yes, I would.
We split movies into eight different categories that we individually score to come to a final, all bros, and crash and taz movie seller letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects, music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up and spits out a letter grade for us to look at to compare to other movies.
I wish people could see what Vixx is doing with his hands.
Are you doing some sign language shit?
No, I can't sign with this shit.
I was going to say, like, dude, that's impressive.
Because I don't know jack shit of sign language.
I know bacon and cookie. That's it.
Have you ever, have you been on our show since I set up the soundboard thing?
I want to say yes. You've had it for a while.
Yeah, I feel like I have.
I think even when we surprised DJ, you had it like that too.
Did I?
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure.
Because I know at least the last few episodes I haven't had to wait for your cues that we used to give.
Okay. That surprises me. I don't feel like I've had it that long.
But I know. It's crazy how much time actually has passed.
Yeah, no kidding.
Cool. Anyway.
If you have not seen Thor Love and Thunder, we are about to spoil the entire frickin movie for you.
So if you listen past this point and anything gets spoiled for you, it is your own damn fault.
So with that, Rose is going to read off the synopsis and we'll get into our breakdown.
Alright, let's read the story for the worst Thor movie. I'm kidding.
Dude, I will kill you.
Got him.
I move to have Jonathan Rose demoted to co-host number three.
Oh wow. Okay.
Just because you guys like this movie is more than me.
That's a top three decision.
Wow. Okay.
Wow.
I don't know why, but it feels like this just like skipped a shit ton of stuff.
But I know I don't think it did.
I don't think it did either. Yeah, I don't think it has.
Yeah, I think it covered everything.
Well, shit. Okay.
Meanwhile, Dr. Jane Foster, Thor's ex-girlfriend, has been diagnosed with stage four terminal cancer.
With medical treatment proving ineffective, she travels to New Asgard hoping that Thor's fractured hammer, Mjolnir, might heal her.
Due to an enchantment Thor unknowingly placed on her years earlier to protect Foster, Mjolnir reforges and bonds itself to her.
Thor arrives in New Asgard just as Gorr's attack begins.
Thor is surprised to find Foster wielding Mjolnir, but nevertheless teams up with her, Valkyrie, and Korg to fight Gorr.
The group thwarts Gorr, but he escapes, kidnapping several Asgardian children and imprisoning them in the Shadow Realm.
The group travels to Omnipotent City, a realm that is home to many gods, to warn them and ask for their help.
The leader of the gods, Zeus, fears Gorr and is unwilling to help, thinking they can remain safe and hidden from Gorr in the city.
Zeus orders the groups captured to prevent them from exposing the city's location to Gorr, and in the ensuing fight, Korg's body is destroyed, though his face remains alive.
Thor impales Zeus with his own thunderbolt, which Valkyrie steals before they escape.
As the journey continues, Thor and Foster rekindle their romantic relationship, and Foster reveals her illness.
The group arrives at the Shadow Realm, but are unable to find the children. Foster deduces that the kidnappings were a trap for Gorr to take Thor's axe, Stormbreaker, in order to summon the Bifrost and enter the Realm of Eternity, who can grant his wish to destroy all gods.
Gorr overpowers the group, severely injuring Valkyrie. The group retreats back to Earth, though Gorr manages to steal Stormbreaker.
Drained of her strength each time she uses Mjolnir, Foster is warned that using it once more will likely kill her.
Thor persuades Foster to let him fight Gorr alone, while she recuperates. Thor finds the kidnapped children at Eternity's altar, and using Zeus's thunderbolt, imbues them with his power to fight Gorr's monsters while he battles Gorr.
Thor and Thor are both killed by Thor, but Thor is not the only one who is killed by Thor.
I wonder, because Thor was able to enchant that because he's technically now the Allfather, does that mean that those things are still out there?
I'd have to go back and listen to what the enchantment is that he puts on him, but does that mean that those toys and that rabbit is still out there with that charm? Like used as a weapon? Like it's a potential weapon out there?
No, because he said temporarily.
Okay, okay. That's what I'm saying. I'd have to go back and listen.
Yeah, so I don't think he, like it's an Allfather only ability to use the, because if you think about it, like they did a flashback before Ragnarok when Thor and Jain were still together, and he was talking to Mjolnir and like unknowingly placed that.
Well that's, yeah, and I mean that's, I guess I'm confusing MCU logic with like their comic book logic. So that's where I'm, I guess I'm making the mistake is I'm mixing the two, you know?
Yeah. So it just kind of seems like, or at least how it came off to me that that's just something Asgardians are able to do.
Yeah. I guess, I guess that would, I guess that would make sense. Like I said, I'm more basing it off of like the comic book versus the movie, like the MCU version.
Yeah. Which I talked about it in, in our Multiverse of Madness discussion, but I do not like that they listed this universe as 616. Or 616.
Yeah. I mean, I agree with you, because, well to an extent, because that means if they're gonna, if they're gonna list it as that, like you want very comic accurate renditions, you know, just, just so that it's, it feels the same.
I know we were talking about like Ms. Marvel a little while ago and stuff, like how they, you know, they have those, those differences from the, you know, from the comic book.
But, you know, I'm sure theatrically and even visually they have their, their reasons, but, you know, I agree. If they're gonna be like listed as that universe, you kind of want that, that comic book accuracy.
Yeah. I know this is completely off topic, but have you seen those, those things, or like interviews or whatever where people have talked about the actress for Ms. Marvel, like getting in verbal arguments with Kevin Feige?
No. Like, so she, so she went to go, like during their, like their post-production stuff, or it was like some, like filming that they had to do, it was after Multi, or yeah, after Multiverse of Madness came out.
And so she went to go see the movie and then like brought it up to him and was just like, hey, the MCU can't be Earth-616 and like listed all the reasons why. And then they were like having like a big back and forth with each other.
I'm like, I freaking love that. Right. And then he was giving her a hard time for watching WandaVision on her phone and like, just like, it seems like such a fun relation.
I mean, hopefully he's not like actually pissed off about it, but it seems like they give each other a hard time and just kind of fun.
Yeah, that's awesome.
By the way, getting back into Love and Thunder, did you finish your, your thing?
You did not.
Did you finish? You can continue on with it. I'm done laughing about the Asgardian children.
After I was so rudely interrupted.
Just kidding.
Caleb?
Shit, I forgot where I was.
God damn it, Caleb.
Sorry.
Okay, we're going to start the paragraph over again.
Drained of her strength, each time she uses Mjolnir, Foster is warned that using it once more will likely kill her.
Thor persuades Foster to let him fight Gorr alone while she recuperates.
Thor finds the kidnapped children at Eternity's altar and uses Zeus's thunderbolt, imbues them with his power to fight Gorr's monsters while he battles Gorr.
Excuse me.
When Foster senses that Gorr is about to kill Thor, she joins the battle with Mjolnir to save him.
They destroy the Necro Sword, freeing Gorr from its influence, but the three are brought into Eternity's realm.
With Gorr poised to make his wish, Thor implores Gorr to revive his daughter instead of destroying the gods.
Thor then leaves Gorr to make his decision and attends to Foster, who succumbs to her illness.
Moved by their display, Gorr wishes for Eternity to revive love which it grants.
As Gorr dies from the curse, he requests Thor to care for love.
Korg's body is restored and he starts a family, while Foster's sacrifice is honored in New Asgard where Valkyrie and Sif begin training the children.
Thor adopts love, who joins him in his heroics with the former wielding Mjolnir and the latter wielding Stormbreaker.
In a mid-credits scene, a recuperating Zeus sends his son Hercules to kill Thor.
And in another post-credits scene, Foster arrives at the gates of Ahala, where she is welcomed by Heimdall.
Dude, I have not been impressed with the MCU end credits scenes for a while.
Because these actually are going somewhere. They're not just there.
Like, the end credits scene for...
With No Way Home being just a trailer for Multiverse of Madness really pissed me off.
And then the one with Multiverse of Madness ending with that one pizza dude stopping to punch his face.
Well yeah, but that's classic Sam Raimi though. He had to work that in.
I know. But still, I wasn't super thrilled about it.
This one, even if they take it nowhere.
Like, if we never see Jane again and it's just knowing that she went to Valhalla, I'm so happy with that scene.
Awesome on you.
I agree.
But, like, such a good...
But I'm happy with that scene also because... Have you read this run? Did you, Caleb, did you read it at all?
I have not read this run yet.
Oh my god. You are missing out, sir.
The one, the art in this comic run is freaking fantastic.
And then the story, the movie and the comic book run for this, it's insanely close.
Like, they kept to a lot.
Like, if you read the Thor God of Thunder run, you know, with Gore and all that.
And then you read the Mighty Thor with Jane Foster.
And then you watch the movie.
There's a lot that they pulled in from that run and it is amazing how they brought them to life.
I love when they do that.
Oh yeah.
I'm telling you, read at least those two runs.
And, like, if you can think back on the movie, you're going to see a lot of similarities from the book.
Like, bringing panels to life, galore with these things.
I'm not even exaggerating. It's really awesome.
Yeah. Oh, dude.
But, sorry, sorry. Hold on.
Back to my point was, that's why I'm happy with the whole Valhalla thing at the end.
Because that's part of the end.
There's, I want to say, like, three books.
It's like three parts for the death of Jane Foster.
There's three or four.
But they have her, like, walking into Valhalla.
But she's greeted by Odin, I believe, in that one.
If I'm not mistaken.
That would have been really cool too.
But, I mean, seeing Heimdall, not upset about that at all.
No, no, no, no. Not at all.
Not at all.
Dude, they did so much cool shit with this movie.
Like, not just with the movie itself, like the behind the scenes stuff.
Like, I love that they incorporate, like, the actors and a lot of the cast's kids.
Yeah.
Like, Taika Waititi, like, we'll get into this with effects,
but Taika Waititi said that the kids were the ones that were actually designed the Shadow Demons.
Oh.
And then he just took those pic- yeah, so he just took those pictures to their, like, the arts department.
It was just like, hey, animate this.
And he says that they were so much scarier than anything anyone could have come up with.
That is so cool.
Because, I mean, think of the imagination of a child.
Like, what they're gonna, you know, they're gonna make something that's just freaking out of this world, you know what I mean?
You know, versus giving it to those animators, giving them that task, and they're gonna set limitations and stuff.
But, you know, holy shit, man. Yeah, I can imagine.
Yeah, and then just, like, a bunch of various other things that they had.
Like, I know Chris Hemsworth had some- like, his daughter was the one that played Love.
Mm-hmm.
So it was just kind of like he was-
his son played him, like, as the kid running, one of the kids running in there.
Really?
I believe that was one of- yeah, that was, I think, his son in there.
Yeah, I think they said that when, like, the first trailer came out.
Yeah.
Dude, that's aw- I thought it was the- for some reason, I thought it was, like, a nephew that was playing, like, the teenage Thor.
No, I think it's the kid. I think it's the kid one.
Like, the first one running?
It's like one of the first two, yeah.
And they, um- hold on, let's see.
I'll look more- look into this more right now, because I want to know which one it was too now.
But, yeah, they, uh- they used- one of those kids is his.
Yeah, but, like, so cool. I love that they incorporated that.
I love that they- like, I just love everything that they- they did with this.
It was, like, I feel is really well- well done.
But getting into, like, the actual, like, breakdown and not just- not just pining over this movie.
Um, what did you guys think of the- of the story overall?
And I'm interested to hear what you have to say about it, Rose, since you didn't like this nearly as much as- as I did.
The problem that I have with this story is that I feel, um, when they try to do something serious, it's over- what's the word?
Like, a joke is, like, like, income- incomes right after.
And so, the dramatic parts kind of- just kind of lose it.
I feel they could have just lingered those on a little bit more.
Like, don't get me wrong, they did a very good job handling Jane Foster's, you know, cancer with stage four.
But I feel it really- it really wasn't given- at least to me, um, I feel with cancer it should be given more attention.
Um, and it wasn't really up until, like, the actual ending when she was about to die.
Like, when she was literally on her deathbed at the hospital.
Hmm. Can I- can I time out real quick? Let me- let me rewind you guys.
So, a few of Chris Hemsworth's kids were actually in this.
Um, his son, Sasha, is playing an Asgardian child.
Uh, his brother, Tristan, played the younger version of Thor.
And then, uh, yeah, the- the daughter, like you said, was, uh, uh, what's it called?
Was Love.
Yeah.
So, and they- like, actually-
Was that her name?
The actor's- uh, what's that?
Yeah, it was her name.
That was- that was her name? Like, I thought she was just Gore's daughter.
No, he- he- no, it says that, yeah, her- her name is Love.
Is that what they have her listed as on there? Like, credit her?
Yup.
Really? Huh.
But yeah, I guess Natalie Portman, Taika Waititi, a lot of these guys, a lot of their kids were in it. That's really cool.
Yeah. I- I freaking love shit like that. It kind of makes it feel even more like a family film.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I love the- like, a picture that Chris Hemsworth posted of hi- of him on- on set, like, in costume and everything, re- like, waiting to be- to film a scene for Dark World with his daughter.
Like, sitting down in, like, the gravel on- like, on set. And he's, like, sitting there, like, just doing some- some weird shit.
And then he's, like- like, has a picture with her, like, working on set for Love and Thunder, and he's just, like- like, this is a dream come true.
And I- like, I love shit like that. I'm- I'm, like, such a big family person, and so seeing people get to work with their families, like, really makes me happy.
Um.
Yeah, I think that's- I think it's cool that they were able to do that, though.
No, it was awesome.
Yeah. So you- you felt like they didn't give enough attention to Jane's cancer, Rose?
I don't know, I- I would have liked just a little bit more. Um.
Maybe- that might just be for, um, having dealt with a family member that has had stage four cancer. Um, so when it comes to that, I want them to, like, really drive it home that this shit is really frickin' serious.
Like, literally, it's the final stage. Literally, unless this chemo works, you- I'm sorry, you're at- you're at the end game. That- that's- that- this is it.
Well, I feel like they- they made that pretty, like, pretty well known. Like, with, like, how serious the- the cancer was affecting her when she was in the hospital, like, right before Thor went off to fight Gore.
Like, she was- he was just like, you can't pick up the hammer anymore, otherwise you'll- you'll die. And then, like, the scene when he sees her flying in, like, he does- has this, like, look on his face where he's, like, almost relieved.
But then, like, you kind of see that moment of realization where he's like, oh shit, like, this is it.
No, no, I absolutely- no, like, everything, like, from the hospital on, at that point, is really good.
Oh, it's just like before?
Yeah. I- I- and, you know, I get it, they had more story to tell, and this might just be me nitpicking.
Honestly, I felt this movie just needed to be so much longer.
Like, I know Tygoatidi said, oh yeah, we're not doing a director's cut, but literally, like, we filmed, like, a four hour movie, and it's less than two hours.
Hmm.
Yeah. I think part of the- maybe part of the issue, too, with them not want- like, getting it too deep into Jane's cancer, is she was- she was kind of like- she was the one kind of pushing it off, like, not really wanting to tell anyone.
And then it was like, once she told Thor, it became a bigger part.
Yeah. In your guys' opinion, cause I- I'm starting to feel this way, do you think that they are making Thor way too goofy in the MCU? Like, you can't take him serious anymore?
That is an excellent question.
Cause after watching this movie- don't get me wrong, I laughed my ass off. I enjoyed the comedy, I still enjoy Thor's comedic parts, but a part of me misses what we got from him in the first Thor, for how dramatic he was, for how serious he was.
He was still funny, but he still had those dramatic moments. And I don't think we got really- I think we got some of those at the end, which, you know, I really- like, honestly, the ending with, like, him, Gore, and Jane, I love that scene.
That is some great, um, film- oh my god, I'm like, butchering this so bad. That is a- oh my- jeez, little- frickin' Louise.
That's just a great scene in general. There we go, that's what we're gonna go with. But, other parts in this movie with Thor, I- just- I don't- he felt too s- I don't wanna say stupid, cause Thor's not stupid, but it literally felt like his-
He's- to me, from where we've reached now with Thor 4, he's almost like nothing like we originally had him in the first two movies, which I get, you know, like, Taika Waititi tried to bring new life to the character, but I still want Thor to be at least a little serious.
Now you know exactly how I feel about the Hulk.
Yeah, okay.
I- I- Well, shit, I didn't think it was gonna be Thor, but yeah, it's frickin' Thor.
I get what you mean, though, cause, I mean, you compare- you compare the first Thor to something like this, or even Ragnarok.
Like, it- it's not as Shakespearean as you have in the first Thor, you know? I- I get what you're saying.
Um, but I- I think too, that's to make them more- I think that's more on, like, the studios part, just trying to make them more appealing for younger viewers, too.
That's a good point.
Which, I mean, it's- I think that's more of, like, their-
I don't know, can't you still make, you know, like, the real life- the real Thor, can't you still make that kind of entertaining, um, for kids?
I mean, I think- I think, like you said, they managed to do a good job with it in the first one, like, he has some pretty funny, you know, lines just cause of how naive he is.
Um, I think the closest that I've seen to what I would expect from him, like, in a comic version would be, um, in Ragnarok when he's talking to, like- when he's talking to Doctor Strange.
You know, like, I think that's as funny as he'd get- like, as he should get, I agree with you.
You know, where he's like, you could have sent an electronic mail, it's called an email.
You know, and he's- that's when he's asked, like, do you have a computer? He goes, no, what for?
Like, that's something where it's like, okay, I kind of would expect something like that in the comic, too.
But I get what you're saying, like, that's- that's the kind of humor that's as close to the first movie as you'd get with- with those- with the more recent ones.
But I know what you're saying, they are- it seems like they are trying to make him too much of a goofy character.
And I think- I think, again, that's more of, like, like a marketing plot just to make, you know, again, younger viewers actually just more- a broader, um, group of viewers to, like, really like him and want to purchase his- his merchandise, you know?
That's a good point.
I think with- with Thor from the first one, like, yesterday, like, like, Thor in there, he was like a perfect- I think he could have been a little bit more funny in the first one, but it was very, like, Shakespeare-y, like you- like you said, Vic, a little- like, slightly Shakespeare-y and had a little bit of humor.
And I think where- where the- the movies after went wrong with The Dark World, I think they went too far to the Shakespearean side.
And then with Thor Ragnarok, they pushed him to a point, like, I think Thor Ragnarok pushed Thor to a point where he became more interesting.
Yeah.
And then this movie just pushed him a little bit too far on that same direction.
On the comic.
Yeah.
Yeah, cause, like, the Thor that we have in the first Thor versus this Thor, I do not see the first- or, like, the Love and Thunder Thor winning over Jane like he did in the first one.
Cause he was, like, talk- like, with that Shakespearean speech and talking about, like, the nine realms and, like, like, basically seducing her with his words.
Like, there's no way in hell that Love and Thunder Thor would do- could do that.
Like, he- like, I want- I still want the Thor that is able to inspire armies and inspire, like, this group of ragtag people to come and, like, join him on this quest that they know is doomed for failure.
Versus, like, he wasn't able to convince anyone to do anything when he was at the god realm.
And it's because he, like, he stumbles over his words and he's super awkward and it's just, like, the Thor in the first one seduced Jane with his words and just because he's frickin' hot.
I was gonna say his knowledge, but okay.
Yeah, and then, sure.
And then in Love and Thunder he did it with, like, awkwardness.
And it's just, like I said, I think they just pushed him way too far to the right.
I think using the Ragnarok to kind of launch him forward, or, like, launch him, like, the different direction than they were going with Dark World, if they would have just stuck there and done what they did with him in Infinity War, I won't say endgame because I feel like they pushed him a little too far into endgame, into the comedic realm too.
Even though I did really like Fat Thor.
I would disagree though.
You think they pushed him too, like, you don't think they pushed him?
No, I don't think so.
Because what they have him portraying, like, the things that they have him portraying, you know, depression, anxiety, all that stuff, like, I think that, you know, at least as an adult, like, it could go in any different direction and he chooses, like, to go with alcohol.
But I mean, they did do it in kind of a comedic way, but I don't think that they pushed him too far yet there.
Because he was still really, like, just the way he talks when he gets serious, like, when Thanos comes, when he's like, I've got to be the one, I want to do this, I'm the strongest, like, it's not, like, that's a, I feel like that's a mix of the brave, like, the Thor that inspires that you're talking about.
Mixed a lot with, you know, this Thor that's going through depression, anxiety and stuff that wants to prove himself again.
And so I think that, like, I don't see that as comical.
Me personally, so I mean, I don't know, this could be a personal opinion, but I think that, I don't think he was pushed too far.
Because like I said, when it came time to get serious, he was still really serious. Like, I didn't see him as funny when he got into battle mode for this one as much as I did in Love and Thunder.
Like, I feel even when he was fighting, there was, you know, still, I don't know, I don't want to say, I don't know, it's just not as, like, it's not the same to me.
You know, I feel like they're still, they're waiting to make a punchline for all of those right now. Like, whenever he's fighting in this one versus, like, in the end game, he was still pretty serious.
And it was just the fat suit that made him kind of funny, you know.
But that's, I don't know, you can have your opinion, I'm just saying.
No, that's, I mean, that's a fair point.
I can honestly agree with that.
Yeah, I like what you brought up, the, I didn't, like, didn't really even think about, like, the emotions that he was portraying and, like, with depression and anxiety and all that different stuff.
So, that's a fair point.
And you think about it too, Thor's character is all about, like, that's the kind of character he is.
That's the character of redemption, you know. That even in the comic books, you know, he's sent down from Asgard still and, you know, has to still be, well, I think he just had to find the hammer, really.
But, like, you know what I mean? Like, he still has to be proven worthy and there's, you know, I feel like in all of the movies, he's kind of struggling in one way or another to prove that always.
You know, so I think, like, I think Endgame just did it well enough that it was still a good balance of the comedic and the serious.
Right.
I don't know. That's just my opinion.
Also, I'm high as shit, so you just asked a very, very mind opening question right now, Rose.
You're welcome. You're welcome.
I think the issues that we have with, with Thor, like his characterization. I think that could definitely be more in like a writing issue than anything.
That's true.
Story wise, I mean, I feel like the movie had a pretty decent flow.
I mean, I think like I think they did a good job at setting up the the opening with Gore and like understandably like why he wants to kill all the gods.
And I'll be honest, like the opening scene almost made me tear like cry.
I'm sure.
Because I was, I was like thinking of like that same thing.
Just like, oh, he's praying to this God that's supposed to bless him with this eternal reward.
He goes and meets that God face to face and is basically like, oh, look at this thing.
It's like it's eating my fruit.
And you want to you want to hear.
Let me ask you this because you can relate on a couple of different levels with this one.
So I think they did a good job.
I agree. They did a good job with with how they showed him like grow his hate for the gods.
But in the books, his mother dies and they're always telling him, pray to the gods, pray to the gods.
And then his wife actually dies as well, kind of like in the scenario that they're in in the movie.
You know, so the wife dies.
I don't think she was pregnant.
I think she was. No, she wasn't pregnant.
But they did have kids. I want to say I don't know.
I'd have to go back and read that now.
I think they show his wife pregnant at some point.
The same thing. And then he loses he loses, I think, his kids, too.
But he like insane like the level of heavy in the comic for that, I think they they matched it up pretty good.
But I think like they if they would have shown him in those other stages, it would have really like I don't know.
I don't know if that would have been like an overkill or if that would have just added on to it.
I think that if they would have added anyone else to like the death, I think that would have pulled away from the.
The scene of like like if he would have had to bury two people, I think it would have pulled away from just the utter heartbreak.
I think, yeah, the reason they went with like his daughter is because the.
I mean, I know this from personal experience, the the bond that you have with your your daughter is just.
Tight sure like it is so like fricking tight and you just.
You're always wanting to protect them.
And I think him being put in this situation where he wasn't able to he was praying to this God to help,
which I think is also like a big thing for for dads to understand.
Like, hey, I don't like I can't do this by myself.
Hey, I need some assistance. And then relying on this God that ultimately betrays you.
I was like, yeah, fricking kill them all.
Like, dude, what got me is when he was like.
Like cuddle, like holding her grave, that's what fricking like just shattered my heart.
Like I was almost like I want to I need to go home and hug my daughter.
And.
I just fricking like just rips at your your heartstrings is so fricking sad.
And then.
How he gets to.
It's almost like he doesn't even.
Like I know he kind of hesitates at the end when he's at eternity and about to like make his wish.
And I know it like seems like he's trying to.
Like he's hesitating on on what to wish for, like the death of the gods versus wishing his daughter back to life.
I truly believe that there was.
No hesitation what he was going to do.
The hesitation came with what he was concerned about after because he knew he was dying.
And he's just like.
Like I was trying to like put myself like I can relate to gore so fricking much.
Like I was totally on his team. I'm like, dude, like even what I get when he was at eternity.
I'm like, whatever you want to do, bro, I'm like, I'm right behind you.
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, dude, read, read that comic run.
You have you have my my Marvel Unlimited go on there and check it out, dude.
And I think you'll still like if you're like you're saying you relate to this character in the MCU.
I think you relate to him in the comic and he is arguably one of the best, in my opinion,
villains that I've read about in here, like his his dialogue and stuff in that in the comic is amazing.
It's fantastic. I think you're going to enjoy it.
I think, you know, and it'll I think it'll have you appreciate the character, too.
Like I said, a lot of a lot of this a lot of this movie, like you'll see a lot of comic reference.
I think you'll enjoy it because of that more.
Yeah. But yeah, I don't think like I think that was just what he was struggling with,
like knowing that if he wishes her to life, he won't be there.
He won't be the one protecting her. Yeah.
And I think the hesitation came with knowing what was going to happen.
And I think as soon as Thor agreed to watch over her as his own,
I think that like he was set like in what he was going to do.
Mm hmm. Like I think he would have gone.
I think he would have wished her to life either way.
I don't think it like came across his mind because he was just so blinded by by anger.
Blinded by the light. Yeah.
And then I think as soon as I think I forget if it was Thor or Jane that brought it up,
it might have been. I'm pretty sure it was Thor.
But as soon as Thor put that idea in his mind that he can wish his daughter back to life,
I knew like that's that's what he's going to do.
The hesitation is going to be like, is is this person who I have dedicated to killing his kind?
Like, can I trust him to care for my world?
And that that would that have been tough.
That have been really fricking tough.
But, gosh, I love I love Gore so much.
I loved his story. I loved everything.
I'm telling you, dude, read that comic.
The more I hear you talk about it here about your love for him on here, you got to read that.
That's your that's your homework, man.
You're going to read that. Rose, you keep watching Avatar.
I can't promise anything. I'm sorry to say.
I'm going to be blunt right now.
Wait, what? What did you say?
I said, damn it, number three.
Yeah. Yeah.
So Gore's story.
I loved it. I love that he had the foresight to use the Asgardian children as bait.
Like knowing like because I think if anyone else would have been taken,
Thor might have been like, like, it wouldn't have like said.
It in stone that that Thor was going to come after him.
Like they could have been like, oh, we're going to send our warriors to to fight him to get these people back.
But I think with the kids, it was something different, like a bigger deal.
And so I feel like that was very strategic on on Gore's part.
And I don't know about you guys, I don't feel like.
The kids were in any sort of danger.
Other than being like scared the shit out of.
No, that's a good point.
I don't know about you guys.
I loved his dialogue when he was like in the cage with them.
And Heimdall's kid is sharing all these stories of of Thor and Thanos.
And then he comes in and like does the same thing to this like shadow demon.
And he's just like, what, you guys liked it like earlier?
I was like, oh, shit.
Like, it's kind of different when it's right in front of you.
Right. But I felt like his whole goal with that was to basically destroy their faith in gods.
Like instead of it being like this awesome thing that this hero did, like showing them what it truly is like,
it shows that you kind of have to be a monster to do something like that.
True. So that was like what I assumed.
I felt like the kids were in no actual danger.
It was just Gore trying to destroy their faith in gods.
Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah.
But Thor's story, I felt was more.
I mean, I feel like it was kind of in your face with what it was.
It was his journey of self-discovery, like after all of his loss and everything that he's been through,
it's just kind of figuring out what his purpose is.
Like outside of being a warrior. Yeah.
Because I mean, that's what his whole thing was.
He would sit on a mountaintop until the Guardians came and was like, hey, we need you.
And then he'd come kick everyone's ass and then still be sad.
And he's like, I need like he wants something outside of being a warrior.
And I thought that was a really interesting tale for them to share.
And talking about his past with Jane and like what he wanted.
I thought of about us possibly having a family.
Like it's like he had this purpose that was taken from him because he put up these walls
and he had to like learn to break those down and ultimately obtained a new role as a father figure.
So that's that's how I viewed the whole thing.
So I think that's maybe why I liked it a bit more than at least you, Rose.
Well, I mean, you have a lot more to to what's it called?
I connect with on that level.
You know what I mean? Like there's there's a you know, like for me and Rose, I mean, for us, it's a storyline.
You know, for you, there's another connection there because you're a dad, you know, your dad.
I mean, kind of like you said, for him, what more is there than just being a warrior, an on call warrior?
You know, you know, the next thing is, well, a dad, you know, he's he's teaching her, he's protecting her.
You know, so it's fighting side by side with her, all that stuff like, you know, so I think I think that's why, too.
Like it would it would definitely connect with you a lot more.
You know, yeah. But every like.
There was a lot that they did that I I really liked.
I think they kind of hung around the gods a little too much.
And some of the gods were like really irritated me, like the little the bad dumpling dumpling god.
Yeah, yeah, the bow.
Dude, that's what he was called. He called them the bow god.
I didn't like Zeus until the end credits.
His name was bow.
Dude, Zeus was fricking annoying.
Yeah, yeah. Up until like the end credits scene with him being like, OK, well, then you know what?
Let's we're going to raise hell down on Earth.
I'm like, OK, this sounds cool for Thor five.
I OK, I'm starting to like your character. I want to see where you go with this.
Yeah, up until then, like, yeah, Zeus, I'm just like, oh, my God, shut the fuck up, please.
It was it was bad.
I never thought I'd say that about Russell Crowe.
Dude, his accent was horrible. Yeah. Yeah.
Like, do you think?
I mean, do you think, though, that I mean, OK, Caleb, you've I'm sure read a lot of Hulk comics, right?
Oh, yeah.
So so I mean, like, if you ask me, Hercules is kind of a he's he's kind of like a goofy character in the comics.
I feel like I feel like they would kind of rub off some of that onto Zeus because he's not going to be a huge
like a huge character, maybe in future films.
But I think that Hercules will and they probably want to make him more of like that serious role that we're talking about for, you know, for Thor.
I want to feel like they would make him more serious.
And so that's why they probably make Zeus seem kind of goofy, because that's I feel like what he would kind of be like, you know what I mean?
Like, I got real comic book Hercules vibes when I was watching that.
Yeah, I feel this more goes into effects, but I just want your guys real quick opinion when they showed Hercules.
I mean, I don't know if this is how the guy actually really looks, but did his like like pecs and like everything in that area kind of look CGI, kind of like fake?
I think they supersized him.
That OK.
Probably.
I figured they did something.
Yeah, like something something seemed off about it.
I couldn't quite put my finger on it.
OK, but something was definitely off.
OK, I can try not lose my mind.
Yeah, but before we jump ahead there, where's everyone at with story?
Because I feel like I talked it up, even though I'm not like my critic brain is telling me it's lower than where I personally want it to be.
So where are you guys sitting?
Let's let Rose go first.
I want to hear roses.
Shit.
I was hoping you guys wouldn't be here.
I've been so curious to hear.
Yeah, I know.
Right.
So I'm sorry to say I'm in the high 70s.
I'm going to go 76.
I mean, that's not horrible.
I mean, it's in the like the C.
C plus range ish kind of.
Maybe like a super strong C.
What about you, Vic?
You know, for the story, I don't think it says it's not super high, but it's not super low either, because for me, again, my hat.
Just tip to them and mind blown because of how much they pulled in from again, one of my favorite runs.
I'm sitting at like an 83 for the story.
That's actually right around where I was at, too.
Is it?
I mean, I feel like it's not that high, but I don't want to go any higher and I don't want to go any lower than that either.
Like, I think it's.
Yeah, I went up to an 84.
OK.
Just because of like, I think they handled a lot of the themes pretty well and they did keep a really solid flow.
I think where the movie just kind of took a dive was the gods.
Like once they kind of got into like all of that, it kind of felt like an unnecessary pit stop.
So, I mean, it's like, eh.
So.
Yeah.
Um.
So the averages averages us out to an 81 for story.
OK.
All right. Next up with writing.
So this is like the dialogue, all the issues that we had with Thor and.
All that shit.
Do I have to bring this?
I know I have to bring this up really quick.
The DJ, you son of a bitch, come on out.
No, the.
The the the gag that Korg ran into his god and was sitting on a throne of scissors.
Was the funniest thing to me.
That was pretty.
I freaking love that.
And I think it's was also kind of really funny how.
Taika with TD voiced the Korg's God.
This is awesome.
Yeah. And how Korg had a relationship with a another Kronen called Doug.
Or wasn't it like.
Wasn't it like Blake or Blaine? It was Blaine.
Was it Blaine? I thought it was Doug.
Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure it was Blaine.
I'm pretty sure it was like Blaine. It was something like super funny.
And I thought it was funny because he had that handlebar mustache.
For some reason, it's not saying the name.
Yeah.
But yeah, just had to bring that up. I thought it was really, really funny.
Dude, as much as I love Korg.
Oh, what did you think it was?
Doug.
And I thought it was Blaine. Well, we will meet in the middle. It was Dwayne.
That's funny.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
So yeah, he and Dwayne, they partner up to have a baby.
Yeah.
Oh, shit.
What was I saying?
Sorry.
You distracted me.
Hashtag worth it. We needed to find out his name.
I don't remember.
I wish that the movie would have been ballsy enough to actually kill off Korg.
Dude, straight up.
When he like crumbled, I was just I was rocked.
I don't know, man.
Pun intended.
I agree. I was too like that.
I agree that I audibly gasped when that happened.
And then if you think about it, I think because again, like knowing where Jane was at with her whole thing.
I feel like you already know that Thor has lost his dad, his mom, his brother.
He had to kill his sister, you know, Heimdall's dead right in front of him, actually him and Loki.
Like, I think it would suck if in one in his fourth movie, they would kill off his new best friend and Jane.
Like, that would just be like so much loss for this man in one freaking movie after having lost people and like all the other ones,
especially because the last film he was in, you know, he has to go back to when the day his mom dies.
Like, you know, just reliving that day and not getting a chance to fix it or anything.
You know what I mean?
Dude, Thor.
No, go ahead.
No, but what if to top off not only Korg dying and Jay dying, but considering she got stabbed, Valkyrie died too.
Dude, I was afraid she was going to die.
And Sif, I thought Sif was going to die in his hands.
I thought Sif was going to die in his hands.
Everyone Thor loves just dies in this movie.
And not only that, not only that, Sif is like one of his last original like friends from like people that are alive.
Because the, you know, the heroes three, they all got killed by Hela.
And Sif was the only one that was still alive.
So it's like, dude, like if I was like, oh shit, she's going to die right there in his arms.
And that's his last like connection to his old life.
Dude, that would have been so ballsy.
But like, if you think about it, Thor has lost someone in every single movie.
And yet, yes, I know you can make the argument that Loki technically didn't die in the first one, but he thought he did.
And so I'm like, eh, that counts.
And the second one too.
Yeah, and the second one.
But he also like killed off his mom.
True.
And then the third one he lost his mom.
Yeah.
And so in the killed off.
Yeah.
So like his mom died.
Every single movie Thor has been in, someone dies in frickin' Thor.
It was Loki.
I know he technically didn't, but whatever.
No, you're right.
In the Avengers movie, Phil Coulson.
In Dark World, it was his mom.
In Age of Ultron.
Oh man, I might have just disproved myself.
Yeah.
Shit.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of who died in that.
I was thinking, I know Quicksilver died, but I'm like Thor didn't really have a connection with Thor.
But that's not really a connection.
Do they even say two words to each other?
I don't believe so.
I don't think they do.
The only Avenger he actually like interacts with is Hawkeye.
Yeah.
Okay, technically he's grieving over the loss of his relationship with Jane.
Right?
No, that's in Ragnarok.
I mean, but he does bring Jane.
Okay, fine, fine.
I think what you can say is in every one of his movies, like his individual movies, he's technically lost somebody.
Yeah.
Like you're right.
In the first one, technically Loki didn't die, but you're under the impression he does.
Yeah.
Second one, he loses Mom.
So, I mean, it's just like not counting Age of Ultron.
Like Age of Ultron is kind of the exception, but after that, it's Infinity War.
He loses Loki and Heimdallr.
Yeah.
Then, yeah, Thor Ragnarok, he loses his dad and his sister.
And his eye.
Like he's just surrounded by loss.
Yeah.
And yeah, like I know that they killed off Jane, but I think it would have been super ballsy for them to take Corg, too.
Yeah.
So.
I think that's just a huge, that would be a huge like just loss right there, though, man.
Yeah.
Well, I think, so wait, did he, so Zeus quote unquote killed Corg and then Thor grabbed the, then was it Thor grabbed the lightning bolt and killed Zeus?
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, then it kind of justifies the fake off kill then.
But yeah.
You're saying as like, you're saying like as, yeah, like to give him a reason to.
To freaking kill Zeus.
Yeah.
I think that was the motivation to kill Zeus and then it was just like Corg's like, oh, I'm okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I'll forgive that one.
And I'll forgive the other ones too.
So I'm fine with all those.
The only other writing issues that I had were once again the gods in this. Zeus freaking sucked.
Like when he came down to the platform, the way that he, like, could you have made him more of a joke?
He freaking picks up his skirt to walk down the stairs.
Like, come on.
Like that was so stupid.
I think especially when you have like the only other god that you have reference to is Odin.
And how like just proper and like regal he is, you know, and then you get that and it's like, it's a night and day difference.
You know, Zeus is supposed to be the oldest and like the strongest god out there.
But yet you have someone who's like Odin, who's still so like poetic and profound and everything.
You know what I mean?
It does kind of suck, but I don't know. I agree.
The gods, that was kind of made into a joke.
Like it almost made me feel like Odin would look at Zeus like a joke.
Right.
But he's like super like well respected within like the god community.
So it's like it's so freaking tough.
Like, yeah.
I can't wait for this to come out on Disney Plus so I can like go through and look through all the gods that they tried introducing.
I would have I thought it would have been really cool for them to show like Kanshu from Moon Knight.
That would have been cool.
Or just like some of the other Egyptian gods.
I bet you if you look around, like they're probably somewhere in the background.
They probably snuck something in.
Yeah, that's why I can't wait to see it.
Yeah, my my other I think the only other issue which we've already kind of discussed a little bit was Thor as a comedic character.
He's just a little over the top and it just was really hard for me to believe that he was the man that like inspired armies.
Yeah.
Or just it's just such a departure from the first Thor.
Absolutely.
And it's just borderline distracting.
Like it was kind of the issue I had with Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story 4.
They kind of pulled him like playing him as a dummy.
Like he was just like he was so capable in the first three movies.
Like obviously the first one he had is like his issues where he's like come into terms with being a toy.
But and then like the second one he's super capable.
Third one he's really capable.
And then the fourth one he's a freaking dummy that has to rely on his inner his inner voice.
So it's just kind of like this is exactly like this.
Yeah, because I know I absolutely agree.
Yeah, the first three Toy Story 3 movies are an amazing incline to Buzz not only realizing that you know he is a toy but really starting to become smarter and smarter and smarter.
But yeah, and then the fourth one is just a boop. Let's go back to square one.
Yeah, I almost feel like he should have taken like become what Woody was in the first one to like a certain extent.
But it's just like in this the first one like great introduction.
The second one just kind of like flatlined him a little bit.
And then Ragnarok frickin shot his character up like tenfold and was just all like, great.
Like we have someone that's like interesting to watch now.
And here it's just like they took that and just ran with it and it's like okay you took it too far.
Also Jane's writing kind of irritated me too.
Really?
Yeah, like the way that she was like always trying to make hammer puns.
See, I don't know. I kind of liked that just because it kind of made sense for her.
I mean, like especially when she's like, oh, you know, it's my first bad guy.
I love those parts.
Yeah.
What do you think of them, Vic?
I think kind of the same with Thor. I think they tried to make her a little too funny in this movie.
And one of the things I was telling my friends that like one of my friends asked me,
they're like give me one out of ten, you know, what would you rate it? Don't be biased.
And I told them, I think that like they tried, there were some parts where the humor was natural.
It felt natural. But there was also parts where it felt really forced.
And I feel like she had a good handful of those moments in my opinion.
That's fair.
So as far as the writing, like that's something that kind of got to me was there were some parts where like
I'm kind of like my sister who knows nothing about, you know, these characters and she's watching them.
I'm wanting her to see a good mix, maybe more like Thor from Ragnarok.
But, you know, she's getting a completely different version that I'm just like,
oh, this isn't the Thor I'd want you to like experience really for your first big screen like viewing of this character.
Because I know she's watched the other ones, but it's like you want her to have,
I wanted her to have more of like maybe Thor Ragnarok at the very least, that kind of version.
So that's why I think with the writing, I agree with you on that. It was a little too forced on the humor.
I think they should have played her up to be a lot more serious than she was.
And like totally understandable. She's like a human that has become a superhero.
Like there's humor within that to have.
And I think her like having the discussion like kind of early on when she meets up with Thor and talking like,
hey, do you have like a catchphrase? These are ones I've been thinking up and like, blah, blah, blah.
And then leaving it at that until the very end and then have her do the whole,
hey, I think I came up with my catchphrase. Like that would have just.
Instead of instead of throughout the movie, she's like throwing random lines out.
Yeah, it's like kind of just shut up about the catchphrase and then that and the ghost.
Yeah, the ghost was stupid. Now hold on.
What I I love that they're in that because they're definitely a huge part in in these movies, too.
But are in the in the comics. But I actually enjoy the goats even in the comics.
So when I saw them in the trailers alone, I was like so excited.
And in fact, that's probably going to be my next big pop purchase is Thor with.
With Tooth Grinder and Tooth Nasher.
Like having them in the movie. Great.
Like super cool. You want to do the screaming goat joke a couple of times.
Sure. Every time they're on screen, frickin go jump in a creek.
I think I think, though, that's where they dug their their grave, though, for that joke.
Like it worked when they're at the Guardians, because it's like, OK, here's these new pets.
They're yours. And it turns out they're giant and they're freaking loud, you know,
and they have to fit in this little this little spaceship that's, you know,
already got so many people in it. And it's like, I think like it was funny there.
But you're right. I think because they're like, well, we already made them like these annoying screaming goats.
Like, we've got to keep this kind of going.
Like you can't have a screaming goat and not have it screaming.
Otherwise, you have to keep making the we can eat them joke. Yeah.
How I personally would have handled that if they insisted on the screaming,
I would have had the initial screaming when they're being pulled onto the ship
and screaming with the Guardians. I would have dealt with that.
I would have had that comment about eating them and then have like that like shocked look on the goat's face
and no screams again until they freaking crash into that shadow planet.
Yeah, that would have that was the only other scream that made me laugh.
I think those were the only two moments where I laughed where it was like initially finding them.
And then when they crashed into the planet, every other time that they did the screaming, I was annoyed.
I just like that they screamed every time they landed, though.
I think every time they landed, it would have been OK because there was only one other time.
Like that could be their thing. Like that could be their thing every time they show them going forward.
It's like they're about to land and queue scream, queue goat scream, you know.
I probably could have dealt with that. I will say in my I don't know.
This is just how I feel with the whole like Jane thing and her doing so many quirks and that kind of stuff.
I kind of looked at it. I don't know if this is how Tiger with T.D. wrote it for Jane's character,
but I just felt that she did so many with that because with someone who's dealing with, you know, stage four cancer,
of course, they, you know, like they want to try to hide that they want to distract from that.
So she's kind of trying to do that to not only keep herself positive,
but keep, you know, the whole topic of cancer just out of everybody's mind.
It's an interesting thought.
All right. So where does that put you with the the writing?
Me or Vic? Both of you.
Vic, do you want to go first?
I'll go first. Why not?
I think I think for me with the writing, again, I mean,
it's hard to not do this with with all the comparing between, you know, the the two
two forms of media that this story kind of comes from.
But I would I think with what just trying to focus on the movie alone,
a lot of the things we mentioned, like issues that we had, it honestly only drops me down.
Like, I think I think the highest I'd go is about an eighty one as far as writing.
OK. What about you, Rose?
I agree with everything that you guys said with writing, especially with Thor's character.
And I can understand where you guys are coming from with Jane.
So I'm going to be just a point below my story score and I'm going to give a seventy five.
All right. Well, interestingly enough, I'm actually
a little bit closer to well, guess not.
I'm still close to Vic, but I didn't I didn't crack the 80s with my the writing score.
As much as I like love this movie and a pretty like all the things that they did with gore and whatnot,
I am definitely able to recognize that they had some major writing issues
and it was just the over comedic adaptation.
Yeah. If they would have dialed it back a little bit, I think it would have been a much better movie.
So absolutely. So I'm going to give it a seventy nine,
which will averages us out to a seventy eight point three.
All right. Moving on over to acting.
This is going to be an interesting one. Top three.
For for everyone.
I'll hit this one first, because I think I have a very controversial take.
What's yours then? Because I already have my top three.
All right. My number three is probably going to go to Valkyrie.
I actually.
I lied. My number three is going to Thor.
Yeah. So I I think he did well enough in his role to.
Basically sell all the things that he needed to sell, but out of everyone.
Not my favorite.
Like there's a there's a couple of people that I he's actually maybe more closer to my number four.
But my number.
The person that was like I was switching back and forth for because I was I was thinking about putting.
Jane at my number three.
And Thor at my number four. But I think Thor just barely beats her out.
Just because I don't think Natalie Portman does comedy very well.
So I'm like, no.
So anyway, yeah, my number three, I'm giving the Thor. My number two, I'm giving to Valkyrie.
I think she was like perfect levels of comedic and serious.
I think she just frickin killed it in her role and.
The the the dialogue between her and Jane when they were at the the God.
Town, I forget what it's called.
The Omnipotent Island or whatever.
Yeah, I'm I'm the city of the city.
Yeah, I like their fun fact.
Fun fact that was also never heard of before that run in the comics.
They made that like the writer that was writing that kind of made that up for that run.
So it was like its first kind of mentioning an appearance in the comics.
That's cool. That city.
Yeah, so, yeah, number two given to Valkyrie and my number one, I'm given to Gore, the God Butcher.
I loved Christian Bale's performance in this.
He was damn near unrecognizable.
In this and he was utterly terrifying.
And I loved every second that he was on screen.
So, yeah, that's my.
My my top three, which I kind of forgot I forgot to go through this.
We had Chris Hemsworth who played Thor, Natalie Portman who played Jane Foster or the Mighty Thor.
Christian Bale who played Gore, Tessa Thompson who played King Valkyrie, Taika Waititi who played Korg.
And yeah, that's all I'll list off.
You know, it's funny is you pretty much named my my three because I didn't I really didn't put Hemsworth even my top three as far as best acting.
Really? And you you you listed my exact order because I loved I did love Christian Bale as Gore.
He did a fantastic job.
I'll get into I'll get into the appearance more when we get to the effects portion.
But as far as the acting goes in the dialogue, again, as I've been saying, just because of the way the character is and the character is that he's portraying is in the comic.
He did a freaking awesome job. And yeah, I I really loved I agreed with you for the same reason that I put Valkyrie as number two that it was a perfect blend of of comedy.
And when they're my favorite part was when they're on the ship and Jane is outside and Valkyrie and Thor both talking and then she's like he's like we're both on the same team and she's like yeah, Team Jane.
Meaning like I you know like she's going to move in on your girl broke is like you know that Valkyrie like yeah you guys are on the same team like you guys are going for the same thing.
You know like I thought that was hilarious because then you know Thor's like wait what.
Hold on like now he's like shit I got competition and I mean that's you don't come back from that man you don't come back from once once you crush turns that way you know turns you know stops liking you man because they're going for you know maybe the same sex and he's not there's nothing he could do about it you know it is what it is.
But I thought that was hilarious and it wasn't it wasn't too over the top it was super subtle you know super super subtle and I love that about I think about her and that's why I liked I liked her comedy.
But that's what's great about her comedy like my favorite bit is when they're clearing out the the ship getting it ready for the by frost travel and she's like get rid of everything that's not essential and they're getting ready to throw out the beer and she's like that's essential.
Yeah.
Yeah, and see that's I think that's the kind of humor and comedy that we more wanted from Thor.
Oh absolutely and that we didn't get but she's she's kind of now has that that personality that it was just she got the sweet spot like they got the sweet spot and they they kept it going with her versus you know versus with Thor.
Dude I would love to see a movie with just Valkyrie.
It would be really good. Yeah, it would be so freaking good like Tessa Thompson is just a gem.
It really is.
Um, yeah, number three would definitely be Jane Natalie Portman, because again I mean it.
They pushed her a little too far on the comedy side, but it was not as bad as, as what they did with with Hemsworth's character you know, and that's, it hurts to say it hurts to say it but I, there's still room for redemption I'm sure with the next one.
You know, another movie coming.
I hope so I hope they get writers that take Thor a little bit more serious.
Yeah, because it doesn't feel like Tyka does, like I feel like Tyka has issues getting into the world.
Like one of the things that like, I was just utterly shocked by that they threw in was the Infinity Cones ice cream shop.
And the frickin statue outside is the Infinity Gauntlet like no one in New Asgard would throw up a frickin Infinity Gauntlet ice cream cone place.
Like, hey, you know that thing that killed half of everything.
Now it's an ice cream parlor like now, especially not the frickin Asgardians who were firsthand witnesses to Thanos's destruction.
It's true.
Like that, it just felt so out of place like as a fan, like an MCU fan, would I eat at Infinity Cones?
No doubt.
Like I wouldn't even think twice about it, like, no questions asked.
But as a character within the MCU and all the horrible things that have happened because of Thanos, it seems kind of tasteless.
I just think that his sense of humor is a little more like making light of those kind of situations.
And I think that's what a lot of the MCU has been doing like with, if you watch the shows and the movie, the past movies, like you get a lot of different kind of, what's it called, commentary on like stuff that happened.
You get people that maybe didn't, you know, they survived the blip, but then like, I don't know, things kind of worked out for them.
And then you get, you also get like, you know, people who lost a lot.
Like there's a guy in Doctor Strange where he's like, yeah, you know, lost my cat and all this other stuff.
Like, you know, like some people are, they're kind of like, I guess, trying to show too.
Like, I don't know, it was for some people, like some people just take it totally differently.
You know what I mean?
It's all these different views.
But I don't know, man, I think that that's just his sense of humor, you know?
Like he just kind of, he kind of makes light on a lot of things.
And I think that's just to push the story along.
Right. And I mean, I don't, I just think with certain, like with things like that,
where you have to think about the trauma that people have been through because of things that have happened within these movies,
that's something you kind of need to be aware about or give a little bit more thought to.
But I mean, it's a minor gripe, but yeah, like still, it's just kind of one of those things where I was just like,
that kind of seems funky.
Like that seems like somewhere like I'd find it at Disneyland and like pay out landish prices for a small scoop of ice cream that actually tastes like shit.
But now look, that's what's going to end up happening. There's going to be a stand or something at Disneyland.
Oh yeah, an Avengers campus.
And would I eat there? That's a freaking Lutely.
Exactly. But that's my point is like a lot of what they do or what they've done with Thor has been like,
I feel like it's just a way to market him as a more like a, like, what's it called?
Entertaining character. So that way, like because then kids that see him, it's like, oh, he's super strong, but he's funny too.
You know, like it's something that kids laugh about, but they don't know why they're laughing at it.
You know what I mean? Right.
Hmm. I just hope they don't get into like a too campy of a of a position with with these movies.
I fear that with Taika Woteki. I'm sorry.
I do too. I think they could. I think he could dial it back, like especially if they, you know, if they have another movie with him
and like with love and love too. I think they could dial it back.
Like they could make that where they left it, like where they left it off.
I think they can use that to their advantage to dial him back to where like we were saying, like the way Valkyrie is.
I think they could dial it back to that point where he's now a father figure and he's got to be a little more stern at some points.
And I think that I think that could bring him back to that.
You know, that point. I hope they do.
And I hope they just don't keep running with this direction of Thor. Otherwise, he's just going to be a total joke.
Like you brought up Rose.
Damn it, Rose. Did you guys see what Taika Woteki said a couple days ago about the ending of the movie?
No. So at the end credits when it says Thor will return,
that actually surprised both Taika and Chris Hemsworth because they actually had no idea that they were going to include that.
They're just like, wait, what? We weren't planning on making a Thor five. I don't know what you guys are talking about.
Dude, Marvel is so freaking secretive about their shit.
I love it, though. I love it.
Because you can get leaks, but you don't know if they're real unless you see it on the you know what I mean?
Like you can take that as you know, as scripture basically, because it's on the theater.
It's in the screen.
But you know, when you just see all these articles and stuff, it's like, oh, I hear this, you know, but you can't really go with what you read on there.
You know what I mean? So it's like I kind of like it.
I kind of like it because you could have all these theories, but it's not confirmed until you see it on the screen.
You know, dude, freaking Facebook and Twitter articles piss me off.
Because like some people will talk and be like, oh, this insane thing is going to happen, like confirmed by Kevin Feige himself.
And then I'll go and like listen to that interview with him. And he's like, maybe.
Yeah, like and then he's like sometimes he'll just flat out be like, yeah, we're going in a different direction.
And I'm like, dude, like freaking click bait assholes.
Yep.
Oh, shit.
Anyway, Rose, what's your top three?
So I feel you guys might hate me for my top three.
Probably not.
OK.
He's like Thor number one.
Oh, hell no.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Number three, Tessa Thompson, Valkyrie. Amazing.
For what little screen time she had, because I truly feel that she was sidelined in this movie.
I didn't like it.
I think she did a great job to Christian Bale's gore.
Fantastic villain. Loved him from start to finish.
And I wish that we could get more of him in the future.
I hate Marvel with the frickin one off villains.
Does it annoy anybody else?
It makes sense for an actor like Christian Bale, though.
True.
Like he was so hesitant about doing this until he read the script.
Oh, really? I don't know.
Yeah. He was like, no, I've been in a superhero movie before.
I'm not interested, not interested.
And then they gave him the script and he's like, OK, I'm in.
And then when he realized, like, he wouldn't have to wear like a super tight outfit, he's like, OK, you got me.
Toga, I'm in.
All right. Then number one.
Number one is actually Natalie Portman's Jane Foster.
Interesting. This is the first movie in the MCU where I honestly did not find Jane annoying.
Like in the first two Thor movies, I found her kind of hard to stomach just a little bit.
And that's nothing against Natalie Portman. It's honestly the way that her character is written.
Just the character.
But yeah, I loved her in this movie, though.
From start to finish, I loved her character moments.
I feel especially Natalie Portman did a great job acting on having stage four cancer.
Yeah. So she was she was my number one.
Nice. OK.
All right. So what's everyone's score?
I'll start this one off if you guys need time.
Unfortunately, I feel like the title characters are the ones that brought this down.
Both Thors, I think, brought this down, at least for me, brought it down a little bit.
The villain raised it up like super high.
Some of the extras like I think Korg, Valkyrie, like those two brought it up a little bit.
And then it's just everyone after that was just extras kind of middle ground.
So I think for me, just kind of taking all of that into account.
I think I'm in like 83 range.
I'm I'm just behind you a point.
82. Yeah.
So, yeah, no, I'm I'm with you on that.
I agree that it kind of it's kind of hard to see the movie and, you know,
going in, giving an unbiased opinion like that the main character characters
would kind of bring it down.
It's kind of hard to go higher when it's like the way you kind of envision
those characters isn't quite what you get, you know.
Right. But what about you, Rose?
I'm a point below Vic. 81.
You won.
All right. Well, that averages us out to an 82.
Love it.
All right. Moving on over to character development.
Really quickly before we do go to something else, just because it's in the realm of acting.
So we mentioned Hemsworth's daughter playing Gore's daughter is or they also have
his son, Sasha, who plays young Thor and then a brother or no, his brother,
Luke Hemsworth plays the stage actor portraying him.
And then his wife, Elsa, plays one of the former lovers of Thor.
Yeah, I just realized it's probably that blue haired chick, the blue haired one.
That's what I was thinking.
It's got to be here.
Yeah, that's what I'm but that's cool.
I love what they do that.
Isn't I know, right?
Like the like that's kind of what happened with the first movie.
Like Natalie Portman wasn't able to do reshoots and they needed like this final kiss between Thor and Jane.
So they just threw Chris Hemsworth's wife in a in a wig and like let them Mac out.
Like I'm pretty sure they throw it.
Yeah, I love what they do shit like that.
And like with Gosh, Melissa McCarthy and her husband being the Asgardian stage manager.
Like, dude, come on.
Like, that just kind of ties in the whole like family feel for me.
Yeah, dude, frickin Matt Damon coming back to play Loki made me so happy to he had Damon's gym to.
Did you guys know you guys probably knew this because I'm I'm honestly bad with like wrecking.
Well, I'm bad with names.
I'm bad with names.
So if I would have heard it before, I wouldn't have realized it.
But did you know that Dr. Grant from Jurassic Park is the stage actor for for Odin?
I thought I recognized him.
So, yeah, I went on his IMDb.
I'm like, oh, my God.
What's his name? Sam Neal?
I think so.
I don't like I said, I'm bad with names, but I forgot why I was looking at at his IMDb.
I think it was on my show and I was looking at his IMDb.
And then it says that he was in Thor Ragnarok and it said like Odin stage actor.
I was like, what the hell?
I had to go back.
I watched it and saw it.
And then it said he was going to also be in Love and Thunder.
That is so funny. That's a trip.
So I guess you guys didn't know that.
I feel much better knowing that I'm not the only one.
That's hilarious.
I blew my mind, blew my freaking mind.
Oh, man.
All right. Getting into character development.
I mean, obviously we have to talk about Thor and his progression.
I don't know about you guys. I felt he had a lot.
I feel there was like to to a point.
I don't think it was like a super crazy arc, but I mean, I think it was decent enough to carry the story.
I have fair like the way that I viewed it is that he was just completely lost in what his role was supposed to be.
In just the world in general.
So that's why he was out helping the Guardians of the Galaxy with doing doing their thing, because he was like this mighty warrior and whatever.
And so that's how he was used.
Like when the Guardians were getting their asses handed to them.
Thor's like in the sidelines until it's like they can't stand anymore and they're like, oh, we need your help. And so he goes, does his Thor thing.
And it's just on to the next mission and then on to the next one and the next one and the next one.
And then it's just he becomes like so so stationary and only viewed as this warrior when he wants this, wants a deeper meaning.
And so he's going back to.
He finds this mission where he's like, hey, I need to help find my friend.
Runs into his ex and wants to both of his exes, if you count the hammer and.
And so runs into that and then starts to struggle with those feelings of purpose again.
And figuring out like what he wants out of life and like he thinks that he wants this life with with Jane like having her fight by his side like he like he's like they said they want.
He wants someone to feel shitty about.
And he.
He gains this realizes that he's losing her and is wanting to prevent that in some way, but then ultimately ends up.
Getting someone in his life to take care of someone that gives him a higher purpose than just being a warrior.
And I don't know, I just really, really like that because I mean, that's just.
I don't think kids should be used as like your purpose in life, but they definitely I think they help with that.
Like they help you find they can help you find your purpose.
And I hope that's the route that they take with with it.
And I think they just open the door because like that was something I was struggling with when they were talking about Thor like hey what where are they taking him.
And so now I feel like there's more of Thor that I want to see.
Okay.
So I think that they they developed his character pretty well, like I said, I don't think it's the best arc in the world, just because they just it went from no purpose to purpose.
True.
So with that, I think I'm in like.
The low 80s, I think I'm like 81.
Like just slightly higher than an average arc.
I feel I'm a little different from you with the ending because you said that, oh, this now you want to see where Thor can go, right.
I'm kind of the person like if they just stopped here, that'd be fine because I don't know I really like them wrong.
I can see them taking Thor more places, but now that he you know he's raising love and all that stuff, I feel that that's kind of all I need to know with Thor story like oh you know now he's raising a daughter.
He's teaching her all that he knows they're going to go on a lots of adventures together.
It's really all I need to know.
Well, you got to think too that she was born from a cosmic being, so he's dealing with someone with cosmic abilities as well as raising a daughter.
Fair.
I see your point.
Yeah, maybe it's just because the not so wonderful taste that this movie left in my mouth for Thor that I don't know if I want a Thor five.
That's my opinion.
Fair opinion.
Yeah.
So, character development, I'm like, like honestly like a 78.
All right, Vic. I think I think it's tough because I'm like hearing you both like Caleb you have a different vision for it where you're it excites you to see where they can go from there.
Whereas, you know, Rose is more of like, this is where they've come.
And this is where it's like, you can end it here and it'll be fine.
So it's kind of hard.
But I think, seeing like where he's come from, and then where they leave him off and I guess yeah I guess I guess I fall more under the like where he's gonna go from there just because the way I guess I'm kind of going to word this but I think I think because there's a bad taste in my mouth.
I don't even want to call it a bad taste.
It's more of just, I really want them to find that sweet spot for Thor. And, and if they ended I want it to be at that.
Like I said, I think it was right where like Tessa Thompson's character is.
And I think, I think they have the opportunity to bring it back with a fifth film again where, you know, he maybe has found his sense of purpose as a, as a parent or as a father figure.
So I, I think for me, I'm, I'm at like a 79 because, because of how it got there.
Because yeah he's like searching for that purpose searching searching.
You know he thinks it's, it's to be with Jane and then at the end it's like, you know, it's, well, it's parenthood, you know what I mean and it's kind of, it was kind of a lot of ups and downs with like, where are we going with this thing.
And then you finally get there at the end it's kind of like an abrupt stop, you know, with that whole development throughout the film.
So I think, I think for that reason I would say like I'm at a 79 for that.
All right.
Well that averages us out to a 79.3.
All right moving on over.
Do what?
What was the last time we had a point three?
I think this episode.
Yeah.
Smart ass.
No, no, one of the other scores got like a point three didn't it?
Yeah, right.
I think it was a point three.
All right, my bad.
Sorry.
All right.
I take that smart ass comment back.
I'm sorry.
It's okay.
I remember a lot when I'm high.
Don't worry.
Oh my God.
All right.
Next up we got effects.
Okay, I got one that I really want to point out with because like literally the first five minutes.
I don't know about you guys but this pissed me off.
Or just like come on Marvel.
That God the CGI to me looked like shit.
Dude, it looked real bad.
Oh my God.
Like how did they not come?
I don't know what is up with Marvel.
Like I get like they you know they have a set schedule to you know get these movies out by.
But even like people that like work behind the scenes on these special effects have come out and said oh hey we have very strict deadlines.
We really do not like working on Marvel movies when we're this close to the ball with having to get these effects done.
So honestly is there like I've heard that they just don't like working for them in general.
They fricking lowball them on like on cost like they'll be like hey we'll pay you this much money to do it.
Even though it's like way underneath their usual fees because it's a Marvel movie and then or Marvel show or whatever.
And then they put like these super strict deadlines on them and then they fricking get pissed off when their effects come out looking like shit.
See so this is yeah so I blame strictly Marvel.
I don't blame the VFX artists at all.
No not even a little bit.
Yeah so that was that I'm sure when you guys start talking about it or talking about the effects I'm sure other stuff will come to my mind.
Like oh this look bad this look bad.
I don't know if it will but that was like the biggest one I had to point out because oh my God that was atrocious.
It felt like their entire budget went into that one giant.
Omnipotent city.
What?
Omnipotent city.
I think a lot of their budget went into that even though I would argue that a lot of those gods didn't look super great either.
But the one that I was talking about is the one where he traveled to when he ran into Sif.
Oh yeah.
Like that shot looked amazing.
And the omnipotent city looked pretty good.
But the gods had some issues.
Had some issues huh?
Yeah and then I'll say the goats had issues as well.
Like it was just kind of like issues all around.
Like not the quality that I've come to expect from a Marvel movie.
And I honestly Marvel needs to chill.
Like if they're pushing visual effects artists this hard where they're like hey we don't like working for you.
They're going to get to the point where they're running out of visual effects artists to come to.
I would rather them treat their vis- like especially for a studio that relies so heavily on special effects.
Like you want to treat those guys good.
I think especially now because a lot of what their movies are- movies and shows are starting to lean towards is the cosmic and the you know the intergalactic kind of stuff.
So it's like you really want to make sure you're getting the right kind of quality for these alien planets.
And you know even creatures and beings on those planets like you want the best quality for that.
It's not like you know the first couple phases of the MCU where you're still on earth and like most of your effects goes into maybe you know some of the tech that they use.
You know if you're talking about like Tony Stark being like one of the bigger you know visual effect kind of needing people at the time.
But it's like I think now they really should focus- yeah they really do need to focus on that considering what route they're going in.
I feel one of the- oh sorry Kale.
No you're- I was just going to say I just think that they need to look at the workload that they're putting on these studios to produce this kind of stuff.
And realize that fans would rather have the best quality over having it out like fast.
At least that's just me. I'd rather have something that looks good rather than have to get used to something that looks janky.
Oh yeah no I absolutely agree.
It's freaking kind of like I don't know if you guys noticed when Spider-Man No Way Home came out literally they were changing how the VFX looked literally as the movie was in theaters.
With Andrew Garfield's entrance when it first came out the portal was like in front of a bookcase.
So that just looked weird but then finally like halfway through its run they finally sent out a new version that the portal was behind the bookcase so it looked more natural.
Freaking some dumb bullshit dude.
Yeah it really was like I don't know how they didn't catch that before they you know checked off the VFX but whatever.
Yeah I had a lot of issues with the effects with this. There was a lot of shit that looked not good.
Let me ask you something. Did you get like Dark World vibes when they were in the Shadow Realm?
Not too horribly.
Yeah I can definitely see where you're coming from.
Yeah for sure.
Yeah I don't think it was quite on that level but it was I could see it being in that realm.
I think it was not pushing but definitely venturing into that realm. At least some of the effects there were there.
I wish Natalie Portman would say what scene but did you guys hear that she said that one of her favorite scenes that required a lot of VFX was actually shot in the parking lot of a Best Buy.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah I don't know which scene and I really want to know but I don't know if she'll ever tell us.
I wish they would.
Right.
Oh my gosh speaking of her, her helmet. I did not like her helmet.
Her hair stylist though was on point.
Yeah but her...
Just got bit by a red ant.
Oh shit are you okay?
Yeah I'm fine.
No I did not like the... like her helmet. Her helmet looked super janky all the time. Like you couldn't get an actual helmet.
I feel like the helmet that they had on her was CGI'd like 99% of the time and it didn't look that good.
Fair enough.
It looked like it was... it kind of had that Green Lantern effect.
Oh god okay. I mean to me I didn't think it was that bad but I can understand where you're coming from.
Yeah not the biggest fan and so unfortunately for me this might be the first time in a long time that I've rated something within the MCU this low.
I'm in like the mid 70s for the effects. It was not great.
So I think I'm in like 76. I had way too many issues for me to let go of.
Yeah okay.
I was able to kind of set my issues with the effects aside for the sake of watching the movie because I'm like okay whatever. They're doing the best that they can but there was a lot of stuff that would pull me out of it.
That looks like shit.
There was a lot of stuff like that.
And it was just with everything like when Jane was flying around and fighting people like it looked super duper fake.
It's just they're not putting as much effort into it as I feel like they need to or like we just discussed they need to stop rushing these movies or just maybe more or less just apologize for the janky.
Sorry go ahead.
No that's about what I was... that's it.
So I'm slightly higher than you with the effects only because again I'm...
I throughout the whole movie was just in shock and all like with how much they brought into the movie like from the books or from the comics that like something like Omnipotent City like was really cool how they brought it into like it like brought it to life on the screen.
And then another thing like in the movie and in the comics so like in the comics Thor makes a comment that like you know this new wielder like even uses Mjolnir totally different than the way he does.
Like it's it's noticeably different for them and like in the movie you know Jane like you see how she like it goes in two different pieces like a bunch of different pieces and she's using it totally different than what Thor ever was able to and never did.
I think like showing her fly like I'm trying to think of the times that we've seen him fly and it didn't look that much different but only because I don't remember seeing him fly and like like kind of do like was it him like like in the at the beginning when he flies through that temple
and busts you know a Captain Marvel you know like you don't really see that often in the films that he's in you know he's usually just using the hammer to like fly around but we don't always see it either.
So I think they kind of showed her like just to show that difference a little but I mean that's that's just me I wasn't it didn't it didn't bring it down for me.
But I think I think that's why my score is a little bit higher just because of how they brought all that to life. So I'm honestly I'm at an 80 with with my effects.
All right, Rose.
I'm going to meet you guys in the middle. I'm going to go with a 78 because I honestly agree with both of what you guys say. I really can't argue both of your points. So I'm just going to be the middle man and meet in the middle.
All right, well that gives us a 78 for our effects.
All right, next up we got music.
So, this is out of 10.
The soundtrack was pretty decent.
I feel the
like I kind of struggle to remember what was what was in this a little bit. What I'll tell you sweet child of mine. Welcome to the jungle Paradise City.
November rain all by guns and roses.
You had only only time by and yeah they had a lot of yeah a lot of like tracks on here. You had a lot of ABBA or not a lot but they had some other in there.
How do you forget that sweet child of mine.
I know I'm sorry. It's just Paradise City.
I know.
Don't get me wrong like and welcome to the jungle.
The problem that I have with this soundtrack is, I think, Taka what he was trying to go with, like, oh, what James Gunn does with the Guardians of the Galaxy movies.
The problem I have with that is that I feel James Gunn is really good with incorporating those songs with making sense with the story.
I'm sorry these songs kind of just felt like they were thrown in there to be in there.
Yeah, I think that's my issue.
Totally my issue.
But like it's just it.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
I think they tried to make the soundtrack work with the movie versus Ragnarok where they made the movie work with the soundtrack.
Like, yeah, I think they I think they kind of flip the formula around and it just it just didn't work as well but I, I love the music in here man I dig it.
Yeah, I.
Like, don't get me wrong. I'm still fairly high.
But just fairly high is I know I my fairly high is like an eight.
That's what I was at too.
Were you.
Yeah.
Well, Caleb whenever we whenever my show does it if I give it a different a different rating you can call me out on it.
I'm going to go with a nine.
I just because I love that.
I love the songs that they use the my only gripe was that like yes they were kind of at times it did feel like oh it's just thrown in there but I love the song I love the trap the soundtrack, like looking at what songs and stuff they used in this film.
I'm, I am a fan so I'm gonna go with a nine.
And mine, which I know you as in my show typically for soundtrack or audio. I'm averaging like a seven, sometimes eight.
But yeah, this is up there for me.
I like it.
All right, well, since we round to the nearest solid number that gives us an eight for the music.
Sorry we don't make the rules.
Well we made the rules.
We do.
All right, next up we got costumes.
And for the like the digitally animated ones, like we can talk about like the character design and whatnot.
I.
It's a tough pill for me to swallow.
But I was really hoping that they would make Gore look like he does in the comic.
I know the reason they didn't was because literally if you get a comic image of Gore, that character and you put it side by side with the Harry Potter, you know Voldemort from the Harry Potter films, it looks exactly like it.
I understand why they couldn't, but God did I wish that they that they did, because he is such an amazing villain in those comics, like from design to, you know, capabilities and even his dialogue.
He is freaking amazing.
So, I just have a quick question with that.
So with that, you know, I say like how he looks like Voldemort and like how they couldn't do that. Do you feel like they didn't do it because everyone just call him Voldemort or do you think they did it because Warren Brothers wouldn't let them.
What I read was.
Sorry, no.
What I read was that that was something that they wanted to avoid was, was viewers going to see this Marvel film and being like, oh they copied Harry Potter or not even like true, like maybe fans of like like let's say just people going in because they're fans of the movies
but they know nothing of like comic book characters or they don't look into them.
So, if somebody going in they would be like, oh, that's that guy from Harry Potter like they just copied that, you know, and and whereas they're not I mean if you look at, again, you look at the comic book art, he's.
I mean just looks freaking awesome.
Yeah, one was Gorant first introduced into.
I want to, it was 2000.
Shit.
2015, I could be wrong. Okay, so he's still fairly new. He's introduced in the.
Yeah, but but I mean if he came out before Harry Potter like yeah Warner Brothers can do shit.
They can. Oh yeah.
I mean there's, there are some.
So there are some differences 2013 by the way I'm sorry I was off by three years.
But there's some differences, like the Necro sword that he has they say it's like powered by shadows and stuff, or like it's got like the shadow realm powers.
It's actually like a symbiote like it's it's a symbiote type weapon in the comic book so it's cool how in the comic like he uses it think of like, like he wears it like a cloak almost like or like the symbiote comes out when it starts to take
take take him over. It's like a cloak. And, you know, so it just think of like venom but but instead you just have this like really cool Dr. Strange cloak.
That's just, you know, waving around and stuff.
Again, like here I'll see if I can totally understandable why they wouldn't be able to pull that off with gore. But and even though they weren't able to get like complete comic accuracy.
I think they did the best with what they could making gore intimidating, like with the scars on his on his head and everything and just like the crazy eyes that messed up teeth and all that, that good stuff.
His smile is like the thing of nightmares.
Dude, no shit. And he has, that's the thing too is he has in the comic, he's got like these crazy sharp looking teeth.
And, and, I mean you think of Voldemort he's like the same, you know what I mean like he's. I'm gonna watch. You guys I'm assuming have our, what's it called, our messenger.
I'm gonna send this really quickly to you guys. So you can kind of see what he looks like in the comics, because it's freaking amazing, and they like, see here.
I've seen a couple pictures of him it's just I've never read the book. Yeah, I mean, again I get why. I get why they couldn't, but it's one of those things where it's like man I wish I really wish that I could have that we could have seen something like that because of how, how visually like, how visually like, I don't know, genius he is.
I don't know he just looks freaking cool. You know so you just want to like see more of it.
Damn thing won't let me. I'll figure this out right now but here we go. I'm sending that to you guys so you can, if you're able to you can look at it, you can look at it, or you, Jonathan I guess.
But like it, and that's why like, it's a hard pill for me to swallow because I love how, I love how this character looks. And he is such a badass in there in the comics that I understand why they had to kind of step away from, from that route.
But I, is it bad that I'm getting like kind of like Ebony Maw vibes from him? No, because, because he kind of, probably accurate. Yeah, I mean it's not a, I mean it looks badass, don't get me wrong.
But yeah, just getting like a little bit. Yeah, I feel like if you cross like Voldemort and Ebony Maw, there you go, there you go. Yeah, I could see that. And both of them have been hitting the gym for like, I don't know, the last year for six days out of the week.
But yeah, that was a tough pill. Sorry, no, I was just gonna say, that's my only thing that I didn't like was, it was a tough pill for me to swallow, but I think that, if they could have given us that, that brings it down for me just slightly.
And then I didn't like the way that their helmets appeared. It was too nanotech-y. It was very nanotech-y. Two Wakandan and two, two nanotech-y. Yeah. So that part, I was like, hold on, your magic, like it should come on totally different.
It should, but it's also like, how do you differentiate it from nanotech? Because like the- You get zapped by lightning every time you're about to take it off.
I mean, yeah. Or they take it off and it like, they take it off and it like just dematerializes, kind of like, like mist or something. It just goes away. But then when they're gonna use the helmet, it's because they're gonna go into battle, right? So it's like, boom, battle ready, helmets there all of a sudden, you know?
Yeah. I think that's just a really hard thing for them to navigate through. Yeah. Because it, and I think nanotech freaking kicked everyone in the ass when it came to like the helmets.
Because I know shows in the DC universe, like The Flash, The Flash now has like a nanotech helmet and his helmet goes on and off exactly like that too. So it's just everyone's copying that style. And it's just, it doesn't work for everyone, especially for a character like Thor.
I think, like you said, it needs to be much more magic based. Yeah. Or I think it needs to be something that shows up with their armor. And when, like I would actually, I would have really liked for them to do it like the helmet from Ragnarok where he kind of pulls it and it just kind of like folds out.
And then anytime he takes it off, it like kind of folds into like whatever so he can like put it in his suit somewhere and like store it. And then when he pulls it out, it like opens back up so he can throw it back on and like I like on something along that route.
The suits. So I have the only things that like, I know that Gore isn't like comic accurate and I'm able to let that go.
I thought he looked really cool, really intimidating and scary.
Thor's costumes, I really liked his, where it was like almost like a pelt cape. I really love that look. And when he switched to like the crazy like shiny outfit.
Yeah, like the blue one that he was wearing like the rest. So like that majority of the film.
Oh, oh no no no I know what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.
I dug that.
I, and like I really liked Jane's outfit, I thought that the suits killed it hurt like absolutely perfect.
The helmets were not good.
Dude, Thor's looked like absolute dog shit. I did not like that. Yeah.
It was awful. When he turns to the crowd, or not turns to the crowd, when they're like you know like fighting for Gore takes all the Asgardian children, and he looks and he's just like Jane, the way that I hate that scene so much for how bad the helmet looks.
Oh my god, dude and what sucks is they've had some kick ass helmets. Yeah.
Like, like the, the first Thor movie, like, I was gonna say the first Thor movie was really good.
Yeah, and then Ragnarok but that's the only time we see him with a helmet isn't it. Yeah, right, dude the Ragnarok, I love the Ragnarok helmet.
If he would have gone Ragnarok helmet style with like that color scheme, I probably could have let it go. It's just the fact that it came out so far, and made his head look huge. Yeah, that's true.
Which, I understand that some of the other Asgardian warriors had helmets like that that came out really far, but that's just not Thor's style. It makes his head look super fat.
I almost felt like this, the helmet was oversized too much. It just did not fit and like hated it. But Jane's helmet, I mean I, I hated less, but I think it was maybe too CGI for whatever reason I don't know what the hell they did.
Every time she put on her helmet, she looked more like Darcy than she did Natalie Portman.
I mean you're not wrong. Yeah, like it's like something in her eyes changed and I'm like, that doesn't even look like Natalie Portman.
I agree. Yeah, so I mean that's what is dropping the costume score for me a little bit. I think it had the design been better for those helmets, I probably would have been at a nine or ten.
But I think just, actually now that I'm thinking about like Valkyrie, because Valkyrie looked killer. Valkyrie looked really good and Korg looked awesome.
Shit, I might still be at a nine for costumes like. But what, I hate to throw this out, but what were your thoughts on Zeus's costume?
Zeus looked like garbage. Yeah, so does he knock you down at all or no? Because he was such a small part, no. Okay, fair enough.
If he would have played a bigger role, I probably would have considered it. But yeah, the people with like just this, the small roles, I did not take into consideration.
It was mostly the main cast. Okay. So yeah, I really liked their suits overall and I'm glad Thor did not wear his helmet other than that one instance.
So, yeah, I agree. I was going to say I think I saw, I think I found where they pulled it from though. What, the helmet?
Yeah, yeah. Let me see if I can, I'll try and get that one for you guys because it, again, again from the comic, but I want to make sure, yeah.
So there's again a part, this is actually from the Jane Foster, like with Jane Foster, so the mighty Thor. But there is a part on there where the character Volstag, he gets this battle axe or hammer that's in there.
And it's kind of like Mjolnir where it gives him the power of Thor. But check out his, I sent it to the chat again, check out the helmet that he has on.
And even when I saw it in the movies, it kind of like, it kind of made me think of that. Just kind of the way that looked.
Yeah, I can see that. To a point. It's not too much, but I mean the way they covered his face, you know how they have it kind of like sticking out a little bit.
Yeah, I mean that one still has like the feathery look, like this was just straight up like cowl.
Yeah. So I think even taking into consideration the helmets, I think the suits make up for it enough.
On top of Korg and Valkyrie's outfits.
And then I think just the other gods in general too. Like, even like, yes, Zeus knocks it down if I'm like taking into consideration all the extras, but there was enough good costumes to just kind of outweigh the bad ones.
That's fair. So that's putting me at a nine for costumes.
No, I can match that. I am too. Hell yeah. I will see your nine and give you another nine.
All right, well that averages us out to a nine for costumes. So last up we got our own personal grade.
Who wants to start? You want me to start? Yeah, since you're signing us off.
Okay. So overall, I'm sorry to say this was not my favorite Thor movie.
The direction that I see them taking Thor in, I like but I don't love.
It was just way too comedic when it needed to be serious in some parts. So with that, I'm going to go a 78.
Oh damn. Yeah, I'm sorry.
Where are you at? For me, I didn't like it as much as Ragnarok.
But because of how much again, I've been I sound like a broken record and I'm sorry, but because of how much they you know what?
No, I'm not sorry because I always hear Caleb like straddling the line of this is he wants more comic accuracy.
So I don't apologize. I take it back. But because of how much they pulled in from the comic books, like it still brings it up for me.
So for me, I would say it's at an 85. And that's probably my lowest that I would go.
And I don't want to go any higher only because I feel like there are some other issues with it that we've already talked about that if I go higher, that's my own bias.
That's my bias coming in into play. So I want to keep it as personal score.
So oh so then fuck it then we're going to go with we're going to go with an 88.
If it's personal, then all right, we'll go up to the 80. That's as high as I'd go.
Yeah, I'm not quite up at like an 88. And I'm not quite as low as a 78.
I'm like somewhere right in the in the middle. I'm I enjoyed this movie a lot because of the can.
What? So an 87 got it.
No, I I enjoyed this movie a lot because of the connection that I was able to have for the villain and and like the story that that Thor went through.
And I think that helped with my enjoyment of the movie.
But it felt very departed from like what I typically have come to know and love from an MCU film.
And I feel like I've enjoyed the new stuff like in regards to like Eternals and Shang Chi and and all that way more than the stuff that's come from like past like stuff we've seen before.
Like, yeah. So it's just it's really, really, really tough for me to like walk that line of, hey, like, oh, like I had a good time watching it.
There's no doubt about that. And like, I definitely want to watch it again because it's like it's it's a funny movie. But as an MCU film, it's it's just not not the best. I think that kind of soured my taste for this movie.
So I'm I'm going to sit like right in it like an 83.
Okay. No, that's not bad, though.
All right. Well, that averages us out to an 83 for our personal scores.
And that concludes this breakdown and the final all Rose and crash and Taz letter grade for Thor Levin Thunder has come to a.
B minus.
I'm OK with I'm very OK with that, actually.
Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's it's definitely one of the stronger B minuses, but it's a B minus nonetheless.
So let's see where this movie ranks up.
So the cutoff for a B minus is an 83 and this movie has gotten a.
An eighty two point zero eight.
So the cutoff like that's to be a B like a solid B or to be a low B. Yeah. So it is.
It's a high B minor.
Yeah, it's like point. It's just over point nine percent away from being a B.
OK, that's that's fair. I think that's fair.
And a lot of that, I think, comes from again the the like the effects that we that we mentioned in even some of the writing.
Yeah. So like I said, it's sitting at an eighty two point zero eight, which puts it below the Magnificent Seven, which is at an eighty two point one two.
Puts it below Ron's Gone Wrong, which is at an eighty two point three one.
Puts it below. Let's Be Cops, which is at an eighty two point three seven.
Puts it below Chippendale Rescue Rangers, which is at an eighty two point four three.
That's going to piss a lot of people off. Yeah.
And puts it below the Hunt, which is at an eighty two point four seven.
But it puts it above it chapter two, which is at an eighty one point nine five.
Puts it above Rogue One, which is at an eighty one point nine three.
Puts it above the War with Grandpa and Spiral, which are both at eighty one point nine three.
Oh, I guess it's Rogue One, War with Grandpa and Spiral. They're all like equal.
It puts it above being the Ricardo's, which is at an eighty one point eight seven. And then it's above the bad guys, which is at an eighty one point eight one.
What's the nearest Marvel films? Marvel film or Marvel related? Marvel.
OK, let's do Marvel related. What's the what's the nearest one that it's that it's above and the nearest one that it's below?
OK, let me find it real quick. Sorry, I didn't mean to like give you more work.
But you're good. I'm just curious where it lands. So it is.
Exactly one percent higher than Deadpool two.
OK. OK.
And if we're going MCU, it's above.
Actually, nothing's in the MCU scored this low.
Damn. Oh, that's not true.
MCU, it's above Ant-Man and the Wasp. OK.
But Ant-Man and the Wasp is at a C.
OK. Yeah, that's fair.
Going the opposite direction, though.
It is under.
Thor Ragnarok.
OK, that's that's fair.
Yeah. But so I'm only happy with that because, like I said, I didn't like it as much.
But it, you know, I mean, it's it wasn't the worst either.
Yeah. The difference, though, between Thor, Love and Thunder and Thor Ragnarok is.
One point nine percent.
Damn, how critical are we on Thor Ragnarok?
Well, Thor Ragnarok scored a B. Oh, really?
Yeah, it's actually one of our higher B movies or actually, no, it's not.
Oh.
Yeah. So Thor Ragnarok is sitting at an eighty three point nine.
And then, like I said, Love and Thunder is at an eighty two point zero.
It's not that.
Yeah. So it's it's like right there.
And that's that's about right. Yeah.
We mean, Rose still need to go through and finish our like,
like putting in our scores for the like some MCU films.
But we're trying to figure out what our ultimate ranking is for.
I was I was talking to a friend about doing that, like starting over completely,
watching every single Marvel or like anything that has to do with any of the MCU universe.
I want to watch them all and like rate them like maybe top four or top five rating.
Like this goes into my, you know, higher rankings.
I think that would be pretty badass, like to rank them all.
I want to I'm going to actually do a filter real quick just to see.
We all know what the top one would be, even though it's not part of the MCU.
For Caleb, I guess.
Wow. Deadpool. Oh, shit.
I was I was going to go with Morbius. Come on.
It's Mormon time.
But yeah, man, I while you do that, I'll just I'm just going to ramble.
But I I freaking like this film.
I like what they did with with everything, man.
So I'm I know I know I know, Rosie, you're not like super.
I know you don't really read comics too much.
But like Caleb, man, I'd I'd say if you're already on there, check those out.
I think I have it bookmarked on there.
I don't know if it transfers over like when you're using it,
like if you see stuff that I have like thrown in the library or whatever, if I have anything.
I'm pretty sure I have those saved just because like it's such a great run, man.
Such a great run. I would check. Check those out.
Like I said, the the Gore run for Thor is on Thor, the god of thunder.
It's the first 11 issues.
And then and then you have the mighty Thor with Jane Foster.
That one's that one's just that's a great run, too.
OK, I have our. So Thor, Levin, Thunder is like I says, underneath Thor, Ragnarok and Ant-Man and the Wasp.
So out of the the the MCU movies that we've ranked so far, it goes no way home.
So like top to bottom, so no way home. Endgame, Infinity War, Eternals,
Shang-Chi, Multiverse of Madness, The First Avengers, Black Widow, Far From Home,
Black Panther, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man Homecoming, Age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Love and Thunder, Ant-Man and the Wasp.
Age of Ultron above Ragnarok.
That's on that's based on like what they scored on on the show.
That is exactly how it's.
Personally, I'd put it above a few of those, but I.
I mean, that's that's interesting to see, like to see.
But it's also been a while since I've watched a lot of those movies, too.
Yeah, so don't get me wrong, I watch them repeatedly, but there's some of those that I haven't seen in quite a while just because they're not like my top favorite.
Yeah, so it's going to be fun when we are able to fill in the the rest of them just to see what our with our system.
That'd be interesting.
What our official ranking is, because I think the biggest one is like Captain Marvel like out doing some other movies.
Yeah, I might have to change.
We'll see. But anyway, yeah, that's where Love and Thunder is.
And we've talked about this movie longer than the movie itself.
Holy shit bitching me.
And like I said, man, it's quality over quantity, quality over quantity.
I will.
If that's the case, Vic, do you want to tell everybody where they can find you?
Yeah. So you can find me on Crash and Taz's movie seller.
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It's Crash with the letter N. So Crash and Taz movie seller.
And there's underscores in between each word.
And yeah, we kind of if you like this format, ours is kind of the same, just a little more dumbed down.
And I'd say we do a lot more dated kind of like we do a lot more dated movies, I feel.
But but you know, if you like this format, it's kind of the same.
Just again, we use smaller numbers because we can't really count on our show.
But we, you know, we try to keep it as simple as possible there.
But the movie seller. But yeah, that's where you can find us.
And as an official host of this show, you know, you can also find me here occasionally when I when I so choose on the Albros.
So it's also where I can be found.
All right. Thanks, fourth host. We appreciate it.
So you're welcome, DJ. So I can let you know. Just wanted to let you know where you could find me at.
All right. Well, for him to hear this seriously, though, and I can't wait for the text.
I really do wish that he could have heard like before he started recording and everything, like all the crap, because, dude, I was seriously I was like, I'm waiting for it.
I'm waiting for him to come out and start talking as soon as you guys like trying to introduce the next guest on here.
I'm like, oh, crap, he's going to jump on here. I can feel it. I feel it in my bones.
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Deuces. Peace.
You stole your line, bitch.