What's up bros, I'm Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
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Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the Powered Chaos, we'll be talking about a movie that neither of us have actually
seen yet.
But it might be a future breakdown.
So I'm actually very excited.
Maybe we could like crazy miss that bandwagon on it.
That's fair enough.
But I'm actually excited for this one.
Yeah, it looks good.
But I don't know if it'll be an episode with how crazy jam packed our schedule is for the
next little one.
Fair enough.
We got nothing for Through the Wall.
So then after that, we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening, which will be
our breakdown of our very anticipated movie Halloween ends.
Boy, do we have a lot to say about this.
This mother.
Yeah, strap in for an interesting episode.
Yeah.
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All right.
So getting into 4k spotlight this week, Jordan Peele's Nope comes out on 4k and blu ray.
There are a couple of schools exclusives that you guys can pick up.
So we have a Best Buy exclusive steel book, which I think actually the preorders are already
sold out, which really freaking sucks because I missed the window on this.
So I'm really hoping that it goes live again before the movie comes out because I didn't
like the steel bucket first.
But you know what?
It's kind of grown on me.
Okay, wait.
Okay, you know what?
Now I'm trying to figure out what the hell the steel book is.
Do you have to have seen the movie?
I'm very confused because it looks like it's spaceship.
I don't know.
Like I for some reason it looks like a like a sky view of a top of a house, but I don't
think that's what it is.
Like when I first saw it, I thought it was a black hole, but it's not that or like it's
a you got me interested.
Let's see.
Yeah, you could pull it up and see what you think.
Yeah, this is definitely one of those you have to have seen it.
Okay, I don't understand this.
It looks like it's the top of the house.
Okay, so I'm not losing my mind.
I mean, they like if you've seen the trailer or anything from it, like they do kind of
live out in the middle of freaking nowhere.
That that is true.
That is very true.
So maybe it's one of those.
What I don't get is like the back.
What's the back?
I don't know.
Doesn't show on blur.com.
It looks like a space helmet.
It's like a chrome space helmet with like a black dot.
So I have interesting.
Yeah, I don't understand that at all.
So definitely feels like a movie we need to have seen to understand anything.
Yeah.
So minus that, the other exclusive is a Walmart exclusive slipcover.
And it's a very close up shot of I don't know if this is supposed to be Kiki Palmer's eye
or what's his name?
That's not either.
That's a horse eye.
That's a whole.
Oh my God.
That's a.
Oh my God, it is.
Why did I think that was a human eye?
Dude, I don't know.
Like, dude, yeah, you can see the I just thought that it was very oh my God.
That is a horse's eye.
Dude, I was looking at it for a second.
I was trying to figure out what it was.
Like, don't get me wrong.
Like, I wasn't quite sure what it was either, but I knew damn well it wasn't a human eye.
So like I was thinking this might be some sort of alien or something.
Nope, it's just it's a horse.
This might be the stupidest fucking moment I've ever had on this podcast.
I think this is I don't know.
This is up there because the fact that I thought that this was a human eye is so stupid.
It's clearly a fucking animal, Jonathan, you dumbass.
That.
All right, that's it.
I'm canceled.
It's all Caleb now.
Oh my God.
Anyway, moving on from my dumbassery.
Yeah, nope.
Comes out on 4K tomorrow.
So if you guys want to pick it up, you can either pick up the regular 4K or Blu-ray or
you can pick up this Walmart exclusive slip cover or the Best Buy exclusive steel buck.
I might pick up this Walmart exclusive as well because now I just feel bad.
I'll give Jordan peel my money just because I feel like an asshole.
That's freaking hilarious, though.
I want everyone to go and like Google.
It's just just search the Google images of Nope 4K steelbook.
It's one of the top freaking things that you can see is it's like once you notice that
it's a horse eye is very obvious that it's a horse eye.
How you confuse this for a human eyeball, I will never understand.
I don't even know.
And I swear I promise I hope that did not come across as racist at all.
Like I don't.
I didn't.
If it did, I did not mean it to at all.
I truly apologize for that.
Rose did a racism.
Shut up.
I literally don't if it came across that way.
Anybody came off like you're a freaking dumbass.
OK, good.
Good.
I will take that.
Thank God.
OK, cool.
I'm still apologizing.
Rose doesn't understand human anatomy.
I do not.
What do you think?
I failed at a science class.
Oh, man.
Anyway, moving on.
I don't know what else to say.
Let's get to this breakdown before you put another foot in your mouth.
Yeah, let's do it.
All right.
So this week's headline and we will be breaking down Halloween ends.
But we all know it's not the true ending.
Like in 10 years or even less time than that, I'm sure we'll get another Halloween movie.
It's going to happen, folks.
It's franchise is too profitable.
More than likely, but it's not going to be with Laurie Strode, though.
No, no.
Jamie Lee Curtis has made it very vocal and she even she even fricking have you seen that
thing?
I don't remember if it was on Kimmel or Fallon, but he actually like Fallon is on Fallon.
Yeah, he like wrote out the thing that says I will never play Laurie Strode ever again.
She fricking signed it.
I love it so much.
So yeah, so not only is this the final film from Blumhouse and David Gordon Green after
this movie came out, all of the rights went back to the Cod family.
So whatever they decided to do with Halloween, that is at their disposal once again.
So yeah, did it end the trilogy on a high note?
Well, listen on to it.
Yeah, listen on to hear what we thought.
So Caleb, would you like to let everybody know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final Albrows letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up, thrown into our algorithm and spit out a letter
grade for us to compare this movie to others of its kind, as well as a percentage to give
us a ranking within those grade systems.
So yeah, so with that, if you have not seen Halloween Ends, it is available in theaters
and streaming via Peacock.
You do have to have Peacock Premium though.
I did forget to mention that.
Oh.
Yeah, so whatever.
Yeah.
So unless you have Premium, you can't watch it, but I think Premium is like an extra five
bucks a month.
Okay.
Or wait, no, I'm sorry.
No, isn't it Peacock?
So Peacock's free, but then I think the Premium is 10 bucks.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So definitely go check it out.
We're about to spoil the entire frickin' movie and trust me when we say we have thoughts.
Yes.
Yes, we are.
Yes, we do.
Okay.
On Halloween night in 2019, 21-year-old Corey Cunningham is babysitting a young boy named
Jeremy who pulls a prank on Corey by locking him inside the attic.
Just as Jeremy's parents come home, Corey kicks the door open and accidentally knocks
Jeremy over a staircase railing to his death.
Corey is accused of intentionally killing Jeremy but is cleared of manslaughter.
Three years later, the town of Haddonfield, Illinois is still reeling from the aftermath
of Michael Myers' latest killing spree in 2018 while Michael has vanished.
Laurie Strode is writing a memoir, having bought a new house and living with Allison,
her granddaughter, who is now a nurse.
Meanwhile, Corey is working at his stepfather's salvage yard.
On his way home one day, he is taunted by high school bullies and injures himself in
the process.
An observing Laurie brings him to the doctor's office where Allison works.
Allison and Corey develop a relationship and later attend a Halloween party where Corey
is confronted by Jeremy's mother.
Corey then leaves the party and runs into the bullies, who throw Corey off a bridge.
Dragged into the sewers by an unknown figure, he wakes up and is confronted by Michael,
who has been living there for the past four years.
After holding him by the throat, Michael lets Corey go after sensing the same darkness in
Corey that Michael saw in himself.
On the way out, Corey is confronted by a homeless man and takes out a knife previously given
to him by Laurie.
In a struggle, Corey stabs the man to death and flees.
Corey and Allison go on a dinner date, but Allison's ex-police officer, Doug Mulaney,
shows up and harasses them both.
Corey later lures the cop into the sewer.
Michael emerges and although in a weakened state, murders Doug to Corey's delight.
Corey decides to become a new boogeyman figure and to take vengeance upon anyone who wronged
him and Allison.
Allison is passed over for a promotion at work in favor of a fellow nurse who is having
an affair with the doctor.
Corey then kills the doctor at his home while the nurse is killed by Michael, who followed
Corey.
An unknowing Allison plans to leave Haddonfield with an insistent Corey because of the past
trauma, while Laurie becomes increasingly suspicious of Corey after he begins mimicking
Michael's behavior.
After finding him sleeping in the spot Jeremy died, Laurie tells him to leave Allison alone.
Corey retorts by blaming her for the events that have occurred in Haddonfield and says
if he cannot have Allison, no one will.
On October 31st, Corey returns to the sewers and successfully fights a still weak Michael
for his mask.
Meanwhile, Laurie and Allison argue as she plans to leave and Allison too blames Laurie
for Michael's actions.
That night, Corey embarks on a rampage murdering the bullies after luring them to the salvage
yard.
In the confusion, Corey's stepfather is also accidentally killed.
He then goes on to kill his mother as well as the DJ and receptionist at the radio station.
Back at the Strode house, Laurie fowl attempts suicide to lure Corey to her, whom she shoots
down the stairs.
Corey then stabs himself in the neck to frame Laurie for his death in front of the arriving
Allison.
Michael suddenly arrives to retrieve his mask and kills Corey.
After a struggle, Laurie is able to pin Michael to the table.
She removes his mask and slits his throat but he breaks one arm free and strangles her
before Allison arrives and breaks his arm.
Laurie slices his wrist, finally killing him and avenging Karen's death.
With Michael finally dead, Laurie and Allison take his body to the salvage yard by a police
escort attracting the residents of Haddonfield who follow them in a procession and dispose
of it in an industrial shredder.
In the ensuing days, Allison and Laurie reconcile and Allison leaves Haddonfield while Laurie
finishes her memoir and rediscovers her romance with Deputy Hawkins.
Lots and lots to say.
This made it feel like Michael and Laurie had a lot more to do in this film than they
actually did.
And I really blame the marketing team so much for this because this movie from the very
first poster and trailer, we were straight up promised that the whole plot of this movie
would be the final confrontation between Laurie Strode and Michael Myers.
That only one will survive, their saga ends.
I'm like, you got freaking hyped.
Hell yeah.
I'll fully admit.
Because I loved Kill so much, I was so excited for ends and the way that they were making
this out to be the definitive ending to these two's timeline, it felt like we were, us Halloween
fans were going to be very pleased with how they wrapped it up.
And I'm sorry to say, I wasn't fully pleased.
Nope.
I don't even for someone that's not, I mean, I'm, I wouldn't consider myself even close
to as big of a fan as you are, but I do really enjoy the Michael Myers story and like the
different timelines that they have, I guess.
But this one just did not sit well.
And it unfortunately was a little bit of a letdown.
It was.
And like I was telling Caleb, it was, it's been talked about that David Gordon Green
recreates the original three films in this franchise.
Halloween 2018, basically a bit by bit retelling of Halloween just 40 years later.
You know, with Michael escaping, coming back to Haddonfield, killing a bunch of people,
Laurie Strode stopping him.
Halloween kills just like Halloween two, Laurie Strode takes a backseat a lot of the movie.
She's out of it for a lot of the movie, but it takes place in a lot of, it takes, wow,
takes place mostly in a hospital.
Michael Myers is a lot more aggressive, kills a lot more people.
Bam.
There's a lot to relate to that one.
Now with Halloween three, Season of the Witch, which I think is actually a very good core
anthology film that if you don't even think about it as a Halloween movie, it's really
freaking good.
Halloween three, Season of the Witch, I didn't say the title.
It's actually really good because the only time that they even like Michael Myers is
mentioned is just because the first movie is playing on a TV in the background.
That's the only reason.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
So with this one, David Gordon Green trying to showcase, I feel like in that one it's
about a company that distributes Halloween masks and that will take over kids and that's
how they're able to rule the world or some shit like that.
I haven't seen that movie in a while, but I really do recommend it.
You should really check it out, Caleb.
Hey, future movie night.
What are you saying?
I'm down.
Sweet.
But I feel that one benefited it because it had nothing to do with Haddonfield, Laurie
Strode, and Michael Myers.
This one, I get what David Gordon Green was trying to do.
He was trying to do something different, not make Michael Myers the true focus of this,
but more so make the evil essence of Michael Myers.
What happens when someone is infected by the evil of Michael Myers?
How that just drives them to honestly go about in his footsteps.
And I really like that idea.
I love it, honestly, but it just feels so late in this timeline to introduce that.
You don't introduce that in the third and final film.
You know what?
I've been given this a lot of thought and I feel like, like you said, this is an amazing
idea on paper.
Too late in this trilogy.
What I personally would have done is do a little bit of rearranging with the stories.
I would have thrown the Corey storyline in the first in Halloween 2018.
So I would have thrown that out.
I think it should have been where Michael's kind of in hiding for a while.
And then we hear about the escape of Michael Myers.
We have like the whole Corey storyline where he runs into Michael and everything.
And like he's the one that kind of brings Michael back to Haddonfield.
And then all these killings start happening.
Everyone's thinking it's Michael, but turns out to be Corey.
See that's what I thought that.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, no.
And then Corey's killed.
And then it's like a soft ending where it's just where Laurie's kind of comes back out
and into the real world and is like Michael's back.
We need to prepare.
Boom.
Then all the events of Halloween 2018 happen.
So that would have been my Halloween kills.
It just Halloween 2018 just boom thrown into where Halloween kills is.
So he goes on this freaking killing spree in Haddonfield.
Then Halloween ends would have been more like Halloween kills where it's the town that's
hunting him down.
He eventually makes his way back to the hospital where Laurie's at getting her wounds tended.
And he's just like beat to shit because the town is just like torn a new asshole.
And then they have their final fight.
OK.
I actually like that.
Yeah.
Wouldn't that end so much better?
The funny thing is, so like the final confrontation in this, I actually like don't get me wrong.
It's cool seeing like Haddonfield just like all come together and just watch Michael Myers
get completely shredded.
It makes complete sense.
But I don't know.
I feel like I felt more closure with the ending of Halloween 2018 where she traps him in her
basement and sets the place on fire.
That felt that I've got more closure from that.
Like I would have actually preferred that if that was their final fight.
And then she's just like goodbye.
Michael sets the place on fire.
And you see her leaving and I don't know.
I feel that was a way better definitive ending.
As much as I love kills, I would have been fine if Halloween 2018 was the only movie
that we got.
I really would have.
Dude, I would have freaking.
Like I said, that order of operations was just jacked up to hell.
It's like they got sidelined.
They got sidelined so freaking hard.
Definitely Michael more than Laurie did.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I think my big issue with this one is Laurie felt like a completely different character.
The way that I look at that and I completely understand where you're coming from, I feel
this is the Laurie that is like just trying to move on from her trauma, like trying not
to make that the focus of her life and like kind of reinvigorating like a new like a new
person.
It's a new Laurie Strode.
I get that, but she's living in a world where Michael is out free.
I think that she's immediately like so.
OK, so this is where I'm calling bullshit.
What?
You mean to tell me that.
Laurie holds on to this grudge against Michael for how long?
Forty years.
I mean, thank you.
Be fit Ben 44 in this movie.
OK, so no, like from from 2018.
Is that oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 40 years exact.
OK, so.
If you are trying to tell me that the woman for 40 years that built herself a Michael
Michaels killer home.
Knowing like knows without a shadow of a doubt that Michael Myers murdered her her daughter
and is out somewhere in the world that she would suddenly be like, yeah, I'm just going
to move on bullshit.
Absolutely freaking not, dude.
That is maybe she hoped that he had died.
No, I don't know.
Doesn't she talk to him in the deleted scene?
Or like the alternate ending?
Yes, she does.
Yeah, you're no, so that's why.
Oh, no freaking way.
Because yeah, so straight up that alternate ending does not work with this this movie.
Because when she like hangs up, because in the alternate ending of kills, she's calling
Karen, the phone rings and Michael actually picks up the phone and you hear his heavy
breathing and she says I'm coming for you, Michael and throws down the phone and you
see her walking down the hallway of the hospital with with Michael's butcher knife and then
that's it.
It cuts.
That would have made no sense at all if that's the ending that they went with for this one
because because because there's a four year time jump.
The original ending makes sense because the last shot is literally just Michael looking
outside of his window.
So all right, his childhood house, his window.
So that makes sense that, you know, like, oh, after that, Michael literally just walked
away.
I don't know how the hell he snuck past those everybody in Haddonfield, but whatever.
He snuck off and he's been in hiding for four years.
Yeah, that's the thing, though.
He killed Laurie's daughter.
There's no way in freaking hell that Laurie would move on from shit like that.
Not after the 40 year grudge that she just held over Michael's head.
Are you shitting me?
And then she suddenly like, oh, my apple pie.
Go screw yourself.
It was a pumpkin pie.
Whatever.
Yeah.
And she's just like, it's a it's a Halloween tradition since when?
Yeah, that's never said.
My for the past 40 years.
You that that that is your Halloween tradition.
So yeah, there's some bullshittery happened.
Bullshit happening in this movie.
They they just completely attempted to rewrite.
Like this is where I would have like the order of operations would have come in in real handy
where Halloween kills, where I probably would have saved the the Michael Myers burning in
the the basement pit.
I would have saved that for the fight for the finale.
Like that would have been how he died.
Perfect, like in my rewrite.
Like that would have been where he died and the house would have come crumbling on him
onto him dead.
Yeah.
And then like if you just like just something along those lines, because the fact that he
got out of that is total horseshit.
But whatever.
I mean, you got to give it to, you know, Haddonfield, though, like deciding to just put his body
in a meek and not a meek grinder in destruct what is it?
Industrial grinder.
Is that what it's called?
I don't know what those things are called.
Anyway, that's like honestly smart because like ain't no way he coming back from that.
Yeah.
I mean, if you still want to do the frickin meat grinder, like do it to his charred corpse.
Like or something like did you like you could pull him out, like whatever.
Like you can do like go that route if you want.
But dude, it's frickin please tell me.
Have you heard the alternate ending for like or what the original ending was?
Yeah.
And that when they streamed it for test screenings, they I think this ending, like they actually
reshot it.
All right.
Like this was like one of the last things that they shot.
And this was like a couple months before the movie came out.
What did they try doing?
So the original ending was it wasn't Haddonfield by getting in a procession to give Michael
Myers the send off that they feel he deserved.
Well, he did deserve, let's face it.
But I always root for the bad guy.
So they did Myers dirty.
But so in the original ending, it's only Laurie.
And so she takes Michael is taken to a funeral home.
His body is cremated with his mask on.
And so but OK, so yeah, so Laurie watches his his body being cremated with his mask
on.
It cuts to her at her house.
Allison comes and visits her.
And then all of a sudden, Laurie attacks Allison, like choking her out.
And she get Laurie's like, no, leave before I can't control it or some shit like that.
And so what?
Yeah.
The evil of Michael Myers has entered Laurie Strode.
But then they're just like, no, we don't want to do that to Laurie Strode.
We're not going to do her dirty like that.
And I'm sure I whoever wrote that needs to be smacked across the face.
I have a feeling Jamie Lee Curtis fought for that not to be the end.
She's like, no, fuck you.
My character is getting a happy ending after all this shit.
I've been playing this role for four decades.
I would rather Laurie die than have that happen.
Dude, I was telling Christina a ballsy thing to do would have been as they like right before
Laurie is about to as she's pushing, you grab Michael or something.
Yeah.
Drag her in with him.
I would I would have loved that actually.
I would have been so fucking ballsy, but so cool.
I would have lost my ever loving mind.
Just see Laurie Strode grinded as well as Michael Myers.
Dude, that would be the ballsy thing ever in this in this this series.
Like I would give David Gordon Green props for that shit.
Oh, dude, that would have been nuts.
If they wanted to give a shock and awe, do that.
Honestly, that might have saved the movie.
Seriously, though.
I'd be like, OK, you know what?
I can excuse the whole like bringing Cory into this way too late.
That was awesome.
All right.
Yep.
I love this movie.
It's just you see her get grinded and then it just boom credits.
Oh, my dude.
If there was ever an all like of course they have the stupid ass alternate ending like
why not do one like that?
Yeah, seriously one that completely changes the tone of the movie.
Yeah.
Like there's like every alternate ending or not everyone.
Like there's some that have been decent, but there's like it's always just some like bullshit
minor change or like some like it's it's nothing.
It's like just a little bit of nothing.
This that would have rocked my world.
They're just hyping up.
Oh, only one will live and just shit like that.
They just pull that.
That's the bitch.
Dude, I would have loved that.
That was so bad.
That would have actually I would have accepted.
I would have accepted them both going out like that.
Yep.
Because honestly, I know it would have been fast, but I think Lori would have accepted
her fate just because she would have known that, you know what, even though I'm dying
to Michael is finally dead as well or Michael's finally dead.
The evil is dead.
Yeah.
And if you didn't want to do some like stupid, like some bullshit where it's like he like
suddenly wakes up, grabs her leg and like drags her into the shredder, like have it
be like where she's given some like rousing speech to like Haddonfield about like it's
finally over, blah, blah, blah.
And then Michael like wakes up.
And so she's just like, oh shit.
And like frickin tackles his ass into the shredder.
I feel though, if they would have done something like that, if like any words were said, I
feel it would have kind of ruined the I don't know.
I would actually say the moment because the fact that like no one said anything, that
it was just complete silence.
I loved that.
Like literally the only words that you hear throughout that.
Maybe it's like they put his body on like a conveyor belt.
OK.
And then it's like he's at the top of the conveyor belt or like near the top.
And then like does his like the classic sit up.
Yeah.
Does his like iconic sit up.
And then like Laurie sees this and she's just like, no.
And then I don't know.
I don't know how that problem.
Honestly, probably the leg grab would have been better.
No, you're good.
But like just does one of those things where she's like sees him awakening and then she's
just like, no, like screw that.
And then like.
You know, he does that classic saddle.
You're screwed.
Yeah.
But he goes and like just tackles his ass straight into the shredder.
And then like all of Haddonfield just like it's finally over.
We lost Laurie, but it's OK.
Yeah, but it's because it felt like everyone blamed her.
Yeah, seriously.
Yeah.
OK.
So this is a franchise or at least this timeline has some of the like most there's no freaking
way they would have survived that kind of vibes.
Like I get it.
A lot of people like to officer Hawkins.
I really like the character, too.
But bringing him back in Halloween kills after being stabbed and run over by a freaking car.
He should not have just been like, you know, he I don't know.
He shouldn't have been alive.
Their minimum.
Yeah, exactly.
He should not have been learning Japanese and freaking baking or whatever the hell he
was doing playing a playing guitar.
Yeah, bullshit.
You shouldn't have any like use of your limbs.
Yeah.
And then freaking Sandra is back to but at least she actually.
So if you guys remember from Halloween kill, Sandra is the one that Michael breaks the
fluorescent light strip and stabs it into her.
Oh, my God.
Her neck.
Was she the one with the husband that was flying the drone?
Yeah, that's her.
That's OK.
I thought that was her.
Yeah.
So yeah, she gets a fluorescent light stabbed into her neck.
And I swear we saw her bleed the frick out.
Yeah.
In Halloween kills.
I thought that bitch was dead.
She died.
I swear she died.
I know she's back in this and her sister is telling Lord, you aggravated that man.
And now my sister can't talk.
He stabbed her and I can't.
She was clinging to life.
But now she you know, she's OK.
I'm like, how the hell did she survive?
And bitch, how is that my fault?
Yeah.
Like, like, oh, she did not.
Laurie Strode did not do any of this shit.
Trilogy.
Yeah, dude, straight up.
Like, this trilogy did a lot right, but it also did a lot wrong.
Halloween 2018 and Halloween kills.
Fantastic.
Not so good.
No, but they go so good together.
Yeah.
What the was this one?
Well, apparently, before Covid happened, this was supposed to take place again on the same
night.
It was supposed to have all happened in 2018.
I think I would have liked that better.
I don't know if I really like the fourth.
I don't know.
I don't really like the four year time jump.
I don't either.
It doesn't make sense when you really think about it.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
But the Corey timeline where he becomes like whatever you want to call him, the scarecrow.
I thought that had like some real potential.
Not where it was put, though.
No.
Like exactly like we stated.
It just felt so out of place.
Yeah.
Like, why are you introducing this dude now?
Like unless you're passing the torch of Michael Myers on to him, which supposedly is supposed
to be the end.
Like I thought he, I legitimately thought that it was going to be like Laurie kills
Michael Myers and then suddenly Corey comes and fricking does Laurie in.
You know what?
I would have accepted that because at least they were going all for it.
Yeah.
This whole trilogy has some major, like you need to like set aside your disbelief with
this entire trilogy.
I understand what they're trying to go for.
Like, you know, like Michael Myers is, like he isn't the shape.
What is it?
Like he is the shape, but the shape can change entity.
Form.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Form, but I don't feel that they did the best at explaining that, or they waited until
this movie to really dive into that.
And whereas they should have been expanding on that idea throughout this trilogy.
Yeah.
It could have been done so much better.
I think what's hard for me to stomach too is Michael was taken off guard or actually,
no, he wasn't taken off guard.
He was somehow able to survive a fricking murder house.
Yeah.
In the first one, but somehow gets pinned by a couple of knives and a fridge.
Yeah, you know, fair enough.
I mean, you gotta still remember.
The way that I keep looking at it, like, I mean, sorry.
Good.
I get it because it is established that after all of the damage that Michael Myers received
from Halloween kills, he's still trying to bounce back from that.
Even though he is the essence of evil, he is still human.
So he still does succumb to these wounds.
So I think that's why he's able to be taken down by Laurie so easily.
I will admit, I want your opinion when Corey brings the cop down and he's just like, oh,
show me, show me the way of, you know, to do it, Michael.
And Michael, you know, takes the knife from the rock.
And like as he's stabbing the cop, you see him like kind of like shaking, being like,
oh my God, it feels like it feels so good to kill again.
And it's like he's like coming back to life.
What did you think?
That was so stupid.
They had so many freaking downfalls with what they did with Michael.
Like I thought I'm like, OK, the introduction to him was fantastic.
The way Corey was just in the in the fricking house.
And then he like freaking gets snatched by Michael.
And like once Michael lets him go, it goes downhill from there.
I feel that scene because it's I know I just said that Michael is supposed to be human
or, you know, he succumbs to his wounds, becomes Michael is human.
But I feel that they've driven home that Michael is so not human that, you know, he's the essence
of evil.
He doesn't like feel anything.
But yet when he grabs Corey and looks into his eyes, he sees himself and that's because
he lets him go.
OK, so now you're giving the shape emotion.
I don't know if it's emotion, though.
I mean, I like that.
I like don't get me wrong.
I think that's actually really cool that like Michael sees the evil inside of Corey.
So that's why he lets him go.
But I don't know.
Just I have like a an indifference, I guess, with that.
It's a tough one.
I think he sees.
I think he just sees like an emptiness inside Corey and like that like that emptiness is
what he's seen within himself.
It kind of felt like there was like a supernatural element to like that.
Yeah.
And I was not really digging that.
I will admit, though.
Sorry.
And we'll get to this with the music.
The scene, though, where he like Michael does like the whole stabbing to the cop, that actually
might be like my favorite track in this whole frickin movie, because I don't know, like
when it like kicks in, when he when he just like grabs the knife and brings it over.
I don't know.
I got like frickin chills.
Fuck yeah.
Michael Myers is back, bitches.
Yeah.
And then he then they frickin cut to him getting his mask ripped away from him by Corey.
Oh, my God.
Don't get me started with that scene.
You know, Christina explained that the she says she loves that scene because it looks
like two brothers fighting.
Dude, straight up, straight up.
Like if you were to just throw in some different music and maybe like some get some voice actors,
you just know it's mine.
It's straight up.
Yeah.
The fact that he just rips it off and he's just like, you're just storms out.
Yeah, you're just a man in a Halloween mask.
Bitch, that's what you are.
Yeah.
It's just like, no, Michael Myers is nothing without his mask.
Give it back to him.
Oh, man.
Dude, I I will say, though, there are some things that I did appreciate about this movie.
Oh, yeah.
As much as I've like hated on this movie, I don't hate this movie.
Yeah.
I mean, like just the stuff we didn't like seems very overpowering.
But what I did really enjoy, Laurie was able to recognize that evil within Corey and like
the mannerisms that kind of just sent like gave her a little spider sense.
So I'm like, no, good.
Like she's freaking like learn the way that he like because there's a scene where she
looks out her bedroom window and he is literally standing just on the side of the street, just
looking up at her window like and, you know, that's to recreate from the first one where
she sees Michael in her backyard by the sheets and everything.
And I'm just like, yeah, that would have screamed like, yeah, he's kind of a he's kind of a
freak to me, too.
Like who the hell just stands and looks up at a window?
Yeah, and then it's like once she comes downstairs, he's like, oh, my walking off like whatever
freaking dumb.
Yeah.
And he like freaking like he's just like, Laurie scares the sheriff.
And he's just like, oh, sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.
Bullshit.
No, you snuck up on her.
Don't don't don't try that shit.
You you knew that she saw you and then you snuck up behind her.
You freaking asshole.
Like you're not fooling anyone.
Don't yeah, don't try to play that shit.
But I know it's it's this is tough for me because it's like standalone.
I feel like this movie could have fit somewhere else.
Yeah.
And like I did really enjoy the.
The Corey story I did, too.
I didn't love the love story.
God, I did much and it felt like it was had a lot to be upset about.
And I'm like, I don't know if this is justified.
I'm sorry.
I hated what they did with Allison's character in this movie.
I did not like it.
I loved her and Halloween 2018, the Halloween kills, loved her determination, loved her
character.
I did not like her character that much in this film.
Yeah, it felt like she was she was going all like rebellious with like.
Kind of had this like, you don't let me do what I want attitude.
And I'm like.
Why?
Like you understand now, it's not like you've never come face to face with this with the
evil that she's trying to protect you from.
Yeah.
So you should understand why she's trying to keep you away from Corey.
Yeah.
Like, it's like, bitch, you confronted Michael Myers.
Yeah.
I feel if anyone should have been able to recognize that evil, it should have been her.
Yeah, I agree.
Like, I think she like maybe you could take it down the route where it's like she's not
wanting to accept or give up hope that Corey isn't like in there or or something like that.
Or maybe you like establish Corey in a previous movie where maybe him and Allison are dating
and then he goes through this horrific incident.
And then is like they're like doing that, like a reconnection.
Yeah, see, I mean, honestly, maybe you could have just written out because remember her
boyfriend in 2018 kills Cameron?
Yes.
Just replace him with Corey and just have him not die and kills.
That could have worked.
Dude, we should have written this.
I mean, you'd have to tweak the story a little bit or his character.
But it's not that not.
Yeah, it's not the heart of a rewrite.
Like it honestly would have made a lot more sense if you would have established Corey
as a character in a previous film and then done all this.
I still probably wouldn't have cared for the sidelining of Michael Myers, but.
It would have been better.
Rather than opening, though.
Sorry, go.
Dude, holy shit.
Like yeah.
Wow.
All three of these have a freaking great openings.
The first one has my Michael when we first see him at Smith's Grove and, you know, like
the one of the podcast people like holding up his mask and like getting him to try to
talk great.
The second one, you get the flashback scenes so freaking great.
I love those.
And in this one, you get the whole events of what happened to Corey and why he is where
he is.
Yeah.
They took that.
A direction or not even a direction to a distance.
I did not expect them to take it.
Yeah.
So for those of you that haven't seen it, like it opens up with Corey going to this
house to babysit this kid that it's like a year after the events of 2018.
Yeah.
Can we talk about how Haddonfield just kind of like moved on and it's like nothing happened
on it.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just me.
But for how many people Michael Myers killed in 2018, it was like 40 plus.
That guy really went to cancel permanently.
Yeah, exactly.
I would not let my child out on Halloween if I lived in Haddonfield and Michael Myers
was still on loose.
F that.
Hell no.
Especially only a freaking year after it.
Yeah.
You can go to hell.
But regardless, like these parents are going out on Halloween, give him some instructions,
say, hey, he's been wet in the bed.
And like, so don't like scare him or anything, like read him a story.
And then they're like watching this really graphic.
What movie are they watching?
I think they're watching The Thing.
The Thing?
Okay.
So yeah, they're watching this like super scary movie.
I think they're actually watching Don, they're actually watching John Carpenter's The Thing.
Oh, that's cool.
Right?
Yeah.
That was an awesome callback.
Yeah.
So they're watching this horror movie, which I'm like, I mean, you do you, dude, like whatever.
And then this little shit of a kid starts, like he starts being like this big old asshole
and like disappears.
He goes like he starts hearing the or Corey starts hearing these noises, goes up into
their attic and gets locked in by this little shit head and like thinking Michael's after
him or something.
And the dude gets freaking terrified because who wouldn't?
Yeah.
And he kicks down the door at the really wrong time, knocks the kid somehow over the freaking
railing and the kid falls three stories down and freaking dies.
Yeah, breaks his neck.
Yeah.
But I knew so when as soon as Corey got locked in that room, I knew like, okay, the door's
gonna fling open and like it's gonna knock like the kid's either gonna get hurt or he's
gonna fall down and like die.
Like I figured that was gonna happen.
I was just like, okay, that's just kind of an inevitable thing.
I swear everyone is like so good at like calling shit and I'm not.
I never really pay attention to that shit until it happens.
I know it.
I don't know if I'm just like good at picking that stuff out.
No, dude, because Christina is the same way.
Yeah.
So like I knew like once they were up at the top, I'm just like, oh, shit's gonna go down.
Because I mean, that door was very close to the railing.
So all the doors are super close to the railing.
Yeah.
Also, that's very bad.
House design, in my opinion.
Yep.
Absolutely agree.
But yeah, Corey decides to this is Sparta kick the door.
Because like, dude, his parents walk in on the worst moment.
He says, I'm gonna kill you, Jeremy.
Yeah.
Like, I want to kill you.
Boom.
Spartan kick.
Boom.
Surprise, surprise.
Your son is dead.
And the fact that they had him that they showed as much as they showed.
I just like, oh, he's just like, we're just going to see the body fall.
We're going to hear the mother scream.
That's it.
No, we saw see the body frickin impact bounce and his like neck frickin snaps.
He frickin he felt face first too.
Yep.
Like that kid got.
But up.
Yeah.
Badly.
Yeah.
And dude, I was like, this movie is off to a fantastic start.
Dude, I thought the same thing.
Like, okay, you got my attention.
You absolutely got my attention.
Image received.
But damn.
And yeah, so after like with that, I was just like, I'm all in.
I thought they were just establishing Corey as like a relatable character or setting him
up as like a sympathetic character to eventually kill him off and have like a super impactful
kill later on.
But no, they didn't frickin do that.
Yeah.
Excuse me.
But yeah.
I've had a really difficult time figuring out where I am, like with this, the story
and the writing, because the story.
Yeah.
Love the story as a like love like Corey story.
And I don't care for like the Michael Myers stuff, but the Corey shit was decent.
Yeah.
It just as a Halloween movie, like as part of a trilogy.
Didn't fit well.
Yeah, I would agree.
Kind of like a round piece square hole.
Yeah, there we go.
That's a good way to explain it.
I love that.
So where are you sitting at?
So I'm the same with you.
I really like the Corey stuff minus the whole like most of the love story.
And I do.
I mean, of course, I still do like what they do with Michael Myers.
I just wish that he didn't take a sideline or a backseat in his own frickin franchise,
but whatever.
So I'll go a seventy five.
I'm trying to figure out where I want to dock this movie because we I know we try to do
this as like a standalone and as a standalone, this isn't bad.
No it's not.
No.
But if this had nothing to do with Michael Myers, like Halloween three season of the
witch does doesn't or or like if it was just like the like say like in the last one, Michael
Myers was killed.
And in this one, it's just like the presence of his evil being passed to Corey and the
whole movie is about Corey.
Michael Myers is not in it at all.
Like I said, he died off in the previous one that.
Yeah, I would totally accept that.
But the fact that you still had to wrap up Michael's story.
Yeah, dude, honestly, I know that I gave this movie shit or the two movies I gave Halloween
kills shit and I gave Halloween ends a lot of shit to because after I saw Halloween 2018,
I was just like, where do you go from here?
Now that I know where they were headed.
This could have had a fourth movie.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Like that would have been like really cool for them to do where it's.
Yeah, I would have been fine with a quad trilogy.
Yeah, like have a have the third movie be like totally focused on Corey.
And then have or you have the third movie focused totally on Corey and then the third
kind of like a mix for a little bit.
And then Michael comes in, takes his place and do what you will.
Yes.
So.
But as it as it stands.
I think I'm going to be nicer to the story than I am the writing.
Because the story was decent.
This like overall was decent.
Like you said, love story kind of bad, but.
This was solid.
Yeah.
So I'm actually going to be like a seventy seven.
OK.
I'm moving on over to writing.
This is where some of the shit falls apart.
Yes, I absolutely agree.
I did not like how Laurie was written at all.
That's and I feel like we're I don't know.
I feel we're indifferent on this because I was totally fine with how she was written
because I don't know if we talked about this or I already said this on the podcast, but
I feel yeah, I think we had already talked.
We talked about this like like 20 minutes ago, how I feel this is this is the Laurie
Strode that is like, you know what?
I'm moving.
Even though Michael is alive, I know that he's alive.
I killed my daughter.
I'm going to try to move on.
I'm going to embrace life, try to appreciate what life I have left.
And you know, I'm just going to go for it.
I'm going to enjoy it.
You know, like she, you know, hooks up with her.
She starts to rekindle her relationship with Officer Hawkins.
I I liked this story.
She had 40 years rose to freaking let go of her grudge.
And then suddenly it's what four years after her daughter is murdered by Michael Myers.
Go screw yourself.
No freaking way, dude.
Well, I'm not my Laurie in her defense.
OK, the way that I look at this, OK, I know I feel that she knew that she was he was alive,
but I'm sure a part of her had a feeling that there is a chance that he just bled to death.
That he had succumbed to his wounds with the don't even try with you.
Don't with him.
Try.
Wait a minute.
If she thought that was true, she would have hunted him down.
She would not believe that Michael Myers was dead without a body.
That's that's I don't know the way that I justify her, you know, fantasizing, not fantasizing
her like being so what's the word obsessed with him for 40 years is that she knew that
he was still alive.
She knew that he was locked behind bars and she knew that there was always a chance that
he could escape.
There was always a chance.
So that's why she was that is a much weaker argument, dude.
Oh, he's in a maximum security prison, but I'm going to hold off this hope or this this
idea or hold on to this idea that there's a chance that he might escape this high security
mental asylum.
I mean, you should as we can see, it wasn't as high a security as we thought.
OK, fair.
But it wasn't it was like inside job shit.
So it's like stuff that you couldn't really have predicted.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
So for 40 years, he is locked up and she's just like, no, there's a it's that Batman
shit if there's even like one percent chance that he could escape.
Like we have to take it as an absolute certainty.
But he just freaking went on a killing spree through all of Haddonfield, murdered my daughter
and he is somewhere out in the world free and assumed alive because nobody has been
found.
And she's just like pumpkin pie.
Whatever.
If you are fooling yourself, if you even kind of believe that.
She's in denial.
Dude, I went back and rewatched like just like the first portion of it where it's like
more Lori that got me so freaking worked up.
Come on, literally, this this movie has one of the best lines I've ever heard.
He's saying it's what she's like telling Allison to take chances.
And she's just like, you know, you need to find a guy that you can just you can to where
you can rip open your shirt shirt, show grief, your fucking tits and say, let's go.
Great line.
Wrong movie.
Dude, that was such bull.
Oh, man.
I had such a hard time with that.
Like like you said, great line.
Great line.
Not my Lori.
What is this dire whoopie kid, not my Roderick?
Yeah, OK, dude, it was so, so bad.
Like it did.
It didn't feel like a realistic like vibe from her.
There's no way that Lori would have acted like that if she felt like Michael was alive.
I can still kind of accept that.
You've talked me down a little bit, a little bit.
I can still.
OK, a lot of it.
I can still kind of accept it.
Get the little bit.
Yeah.
So that was like the biggest thing that had an issue with my number two.
Who in the actual shit thought it was a good idea to be like, hey, the marching band kids
are going to bully this adult.
Seriously.
And don't get me started on how the one kid that like thought he was so cool because he
carried around his drumsticks, he has one of the stupidest haircuts I have ever seen
in my whole life.
He was asking like I would have kicked the kids ass myself.
Yeah, I'm like, OK, first off, Corey, you're an adult.
You're 24 or he's about that.
Yeah, no, he would have been like 24, right?
Because he was 21 in 2019.
So he would have been around 25.
OK, 25.
If it was four years or.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
That's it.
But he either way, it's worse 20s.
Yeah, it's worse.
And he was getting bullied by these kids that were in the marching band.
To buy alcohol, they were in their freaking marching band uniforms.
He lives having flashback to American Fork.
American Fork can go jump in a creek.
We.
OK, for those of you that don't know, American Fork has like one of the top high school marching
bands in, I'll say the country.
Like I don't know if it's number one or whatever, but it's one of the best in the country, at
least from what I'm led to believe.
Yeah, we straight up and the dynamic between the marching band kids, the marching band
kids feel like the stereotypical jocks like football straight up to and then the jocks
are more like.
Maybe like the baseball team, I would say, like no one really gives a shit about them.
No, Caleb's absolutely right, because a lot of the football players that went to our high
school, they were actually pretty cool guys, like pretty easy to talk to.
They actually weren't assholes band kids.
Oh my God.
Most of them were freaking assholes.
Yeah, dude, I remember they thought they were hot shit.
I know.
Dude, I they feel like a freaking gang.
I remember walking down the band hallway once like during lunch and I had some kid try and
stop me.
I'm like, you put the trombone, you freak.
It's like, whoa, there's so on your cons not welcome here.
Yeah, like I'm like, I'm not even in a music class.
I'm like, you can.
I'm like, you better move before I shove that trombone so far up your ass.
And it was all because I had to just go talk to my teacher who is like down that hallway.
They're like a freaking gang.
And so that's exactly what this felt like.
But I'm like, there's no way in hell, dude.
You're in your marching band uniforms.
You know how stupid everyone in their mother looks in their marching band uniforms?
Yeah.
Ridiculously.
And you're going to be a full grown adult.
Dude, I'll sort of still see people that we graduated with that we graduated with still
wearing their like their A.F. marching band black jackets.
I'm like, are you freaking kidding me?
Like all of the past, you were a marching band.
Cool.
That was in high school.
You're a freaking adult now.
Get over it.
We're getting real worked up on this.
This movie has brought out a lot in us.
Dude, you like no freaking joke.
It is ridiculous.
And it kind of like you said, it gave me flashbacks to high school.
I hated the marching band kids.
Same.
Like they are such freaking dipshits.
I'm going to laugh my ass off if anybody from marching band 2014 listens to this.
I remember a kid that was in front of my locker one time and I was like, hey, move.
And he didn't.
And I was like, move.
And he like looked at me and he's like, don't you know who I am?
And I'm like, no, get the hell out of my way.
And like, I don't give a shit who you are.
Does it look like I fucking care?
Yeah.
I'm like, I could give a flying shit who you are.
Get the hell out of my way.
And he's like, I'm in the drum line.
I'm like in the marching band.
And he's like, yeah.
And I'm like, okay.
Oh my god, I didn't know.
Your highness.
I know.
I was just like, oh shit.
I'm like, okay.
Stop the freaking presses.
Yeah.
And he's like, what's that supposed to mean to me?
I'm like, does that just mean you want me to like give you a good beat while I whack
the shit out of you?
I'll even use your drumsticks if you want me to.
Yeah.
Dude, I'm just like the way the freaking confidence that this kid had by announcing I'm in the
drum line.
Well, you want a gold star?
I'm like, cool.
I don't remember.
I'm pretty sure like, like you look like the kind of kid that needs his mom to apply sunscreen.
Otherwise he turned like comes red every time.
Like he needs to be dunked in a tub of sun block like SPF 150 to even step outside without
like burning up.
Oh shit.
That's funny.
I freaking hate it.
So yeah, that gave some, uh, they gave me some issues.
Fair enough, man.
Fair enough.
I'm like props to this movie for, for like equal opportunity, but marching band.
Thanks for bringing back a high school flashbacks.
Cause that's, yeah, I would have accepted the golf team.
I would have accepted baseball, football.
I mean, if you, like, if you didn't want to go stereotypical football, like, okay, understand
maybe track and field.
I would even accept track and field, but bad marching band, dude, even with the march,
like even when you are faced with a thug, like equivalent of the, the marching band,
I could probably like the strongest of the marching band kids, I could probably take
out 10 of them.
Like they all looked so fragile all the time.
Yeah.
Cause like they had nothing better to live for than fricking marching band.
Yup.
That defined their life.
I have a guy that I used to be friends with until he tried getting me sign up for some
MLM.
He joined an adult marching band because he is so stuck in the past that he has not moved
past.
Stupid question.
What?
I forget what's an MLM?
Like a pyramid scheme.
Oh, okay.
Sorry.
Or what they call multi-level marketing.
Go screw yourself.
It's an MLM.
It's a scam.
Okay.
I fricking hate that too.
Cause it's like some people will just like, Hey, like I really, like I would love to catch
up sometime.
Like I'd love to like meet up for lunch.
Like cool.
What do you want to talk about?
Yeah.
Well, like just wondering like what you're doing for work.
Like you could be making some real good money.
Go, no block.
Nope.
Kiss my ass.
Yeah.
You're lucky if that, if blocking you is all I do.
If you bring up a fricking, how much money I make.
Like the last person that did that, they're just like, so like you enjoy your job.
I'm like, it's all right.
Like how much money you make?
Why?
Yeah.
Dude, I've had people, this was like years ago, but like people would actually come into
the store and do that.
I'm like, are you fricking kidding me?
You're asking me while I'm at work?
Are you fricking kidding me?
Yeah.
It's cause they know that you have to be professional at work.
Yeah.
I hate that shit.
Yeah.
I hate that shit.
I'd start ripping off my apron and be like, I'm going on break.
Yep.
Like take off all identifying clothing and just ripping them a new one.
I like this plan.
Jeez.
But anyway, didn't care for the marching band bullies.
It was only like a 20 minute rant.
Yeah.
I know it did seem excessive.
So apologies for anyone who listened to that.
Dude, imagine what Sam's going to say when he listens to this.
Oh man.
I can imagine.
Dude, and like just know that if anyone from our high school that was in the marching band
happens to be listening to this, you can go jump in a creek.
Some of you were cool.
If I hurt, no, if I hurt, no, none of you were cool.
Don't even pretend like you were cool.
I meant like some of them were nice.
No.
Okay.
All of you, if you tell me if being in the American Fork High School marching band is
part of your personality, go jump in a creek.
Actually no, go jump into traffic.
Damn.
Gosh.
So how about that writing?
Anyway.
I will say-
I hope there's more than just the American Fork people that understand.
I hope so.
Or find our little conversation amusing.
I will say, okay, so like what you said with Lori, you didn't like how she was written
in this movie.
I will say one character that like literally did not need to be here at all, I understand
why they brought her back because you know, legacy character, it was really cool to see
her again and everybody wanted her back.
Lindsay Wallace didn't need to be in this movie.
Nope.
She literally did nothing and I feel bad because Kyle Richards, it's great to see her again
in this role.
She does a great job for what she's given, but it's literally nothing.
She's given, no, she's given so much more ado in Halloween Kills.
Yeah, her character, you could have literally written her character out and it wouldn't
have changed the story at all.
We have what I would consider four main characters in this movie.
Everyone else would be considered an extra and I don't even know if she's in it enough
to be like considered for like a fifth or sixth spot.
No, I absolutely agree.
And it sucks.
I hate saying that.
Yeah.
But I mean, can't really dock it too much for like the inclusion of her.
It's just no, it was awesome to see her again.
She was an extra with a backstory.
Yeah.
Which is unfortunate.
And with my issues with how Laurie was written and how the events leading to Corey's transition
to the darkness happened and not being super great, I'm actually, I'm around a 72 when
it comes to writing.
But the rest of it was decent.
It was like fairly average, but that should just broaden down for me like a lot.
No, it all matches.
All right.
Next up we got acting.
Let me get this cast up real quick.
All right.
First off, we got Jamie Lee Curtis who played Laurie Strode.
We have Andy Matichak who played Allison.
James Jude Courtney who provided the body for the shape, also known as Michael Myers.
Can't you just say he played the shape?
I guess.
I still consider Michael Myers a character.
Okay.
So yeah, James Jude Courtney played the shape slash Michael Myers.
Then Rowan Campbell played Corey.
And then if we want to throw him in, Will Patton played Frank.
So let's do top three.
Okay.
I'm probably going to get a lot of shit for this.
The three I would actually give to Jamie Lee Curtis.
Don't get me wrong.
Loved her coming back for this role.
But I will agree with Caleb.
There were some things that they decided with her character that just I didn't love.
Depending on what your two and one are, like that might not be a bad call.
Okay.
Number two, I'm going to give to James Jude Courtney as Michael Myers or the shape.
Once again, I'm sorry.
I love him so much as Michael Myers.
Next to Nick Castle, he's the greatest Michael Myers that we have ever had.
He has the mannerisms down.
The walk.
I mean, he doesn't do his own breathing.
Actually, Nick Castle came back and does all the breathing for Michael Myers throughout
this whole trilogy.
And that just makes me so happy.
So freaking awesome.
But just even seeing him as a cripple of Michael Myers, it still felt like Michael.
It was amazing.
And even seeing him get his ass whooped, which really sucked because it's Michael Myers.
He's my favorite killer.
So it sucked seeing Michael die.
But it was still great.
James Jude Courtney did a fantastic freaking job.
And once again, he freaking killed this role.
So number two.
Number one, yeah, I'm definitely going to give to what was his name to play, Corey?
Rowan Campbell.
Rowan Campbell, brand new character introduced way too late into this trilogy.
But boy, did this guy deliver in what he was given.
I didn't love the love story, but everything when it comes to him, the evil evil Michael
Myers taking him over, especially the like the scene at the beginning, how it opens the
movie.
He's so good in that.
His acting when he becomes the shape, quote unquote, is great.
Just he knocked it out of the park, in my opinion.
Absolutely.
And funny enough, my top three looks almost exactly like yours.
My one and three are the same.
So Rowan Campbell being my number one.
Like you said, knocked it out of the freaking park.
He was just enthralling to watch.
And just watching that deep dive down to the depths of darkness was insane to watch.
So he did a fantastic job.
And I hope he's in more stuff.
Like I hope so, too.
If they actor, I know if he would if if they would have gone the route of passing the Michael
Myers torch on him or the maybe the shape.
Yeah.
Like if they would have passed like that on to him and maybe we got some movies with him
as the shape, I would have loved that.
I would have probably actually accepted that.
Yeah, like I know I like when he was wearing the mask, I was I brought it up to you.
I'm like, there's just something about the way he wears it that doesn't quite fit, but
he does a really good job.
Yeah, he does.
So yeah, well deserved.
Number one, number two, I'm actually going to give to Andy Matichak, who played Allison.
OK.
I felt she she gave a solid performance, like even though I didn't necessarily care for
her role in the movie and like the routes that she took with.
Kind of the defiance against Lori.
I still think that she pulled off the.
Her love interest towards Corey really, really well.
And kind of like.
I know from us looking.
Onward onto it, Allison's decisions may have felt very like stupid, but.
You got to think, too, she's in a fresh relationship, thinking that everything's like going all
hunky dory.
So she's seeing nothing but green flags like she's completely colorblind to the red flags.
And then true.
And she like kind of gives that moment where she is like snaps at Lori is ready to leave
with Corey and everything and is traveling back, thinks Lori's killed Corey and like
starts to see all of these like starts to see the red flags, like sees the radio station
that's on fire and like just having that moment click in her brain.
Like oh shit hit the fan with him.
Like maybe I was wrong then travels back to help Lori just in time to kill Michael Myers.
So really, really enjoyed her her character arc.
And then, like you said, Jamie Lee Curtis is back as Lori just.
Master class.
Yeah, I think she felt that role so well.
Even though I don't care for.
Like the routes that they took with her character.
Her acting was just fantastic, so absolutely no complaints there.
Like these three are so close together.
Like it's it's.
It's hard to say one, two, three.
This is like another like one point one, one point two, one point three.
OK.
And then.
Number two, like my technical number two.
Would be James Jude Courtney as the as Michael.
Yes.
But yeah.
So where were you sitting with with acting?
I'll go. I'll go a 78.
That's not bad.
Honestly, I think I feel like the cast did a decent enough job where it was maybe.
A little bit higher than that.
All right.
I'm just trying to think of like how much higher.
I go a solid 80.
OK.
Good choice.
I think like just the main cast alone, like just the four that we brought up, I think
just them alone would have been maybe in the 85 range, but I think it's the extras that
kind of pulled it down a little bit more for me.
That's fair.
I think I.
Especially the the radio guy, I don't think I got I hated him.
Yeah.
Like, yes, he was an asshole, but I don't think he his his death was just cheesy as
shit.
Yeah, but I loved it, though.
I don't care if it was cheesy.
Yeah, it was a pretty decent guy got what was coming to him straight up.
So yeah, I'll think I'm going in 80 or 80.
Right.
But with this being a horror movie, we do not do character development like normal.
We actually do logic.
Yes.
So does the movie follow its own rules?
Are like this is supposed to kind of be a more like realistic take on Michael, right?
Not like supernatural or anything.
So does it kind of follow within those those guidelines?
I feel, though, the more that they've dived into this trilogy, they've kind of dive more
into the supernatural of Michael because of like the whole, you know, the evil kind of
transitioning into Corey, the fact that Laurie in the last one says that the more he kills,
the more he transitions into the true epitome of evil, because she straight up says that
Michael Myers was the epitome of evil in this movie.
So I feel with that, they're kind of setting up more of a supernatural.
But then at the same time, they're still making it to where Michael Myers is.
He's human.
He's still succumbing to his wounds from literally the whole town of Haddonfield, just beating
the shit out of him four years ago.
So it's like a mixed bag.
I don't know which one to go for.
It is really tough.
I was given this a major thought, too.
Like, how do you figure this out?
Yeah.
I mean, all the kills that they do make absolute sense.
What happens to the person after either Corey or Michael kills them completely makes sense.
I would feel, and I'm sure you would agree with this, the only kill that is probably
not logical is when Michael stabs that one lady to the wall, because ain't no way just
one single frickin' knife can hold up a human body.
Yeah.
It did make sense in the original.
It doesn't make sense in this one.
Although I feel in this one, it seemed like it was stabbed further, though.
Barely.
Maybe, but it was also stabbed into a painting.
Yeah, that's true.
So it actually might have been even worse in this one.
Yeah.
At least the other dude was stabbed into a door.
True.
Yeah, that's a good point.
But I mean, there were, I don't know, like the physics of like, I'm just thinking like
the guy at the radio station getting his tongue cut off.
I don't know if he could do that with just any pair of scissors.
My question also, I know that he got his, I mean, I don't know how hard Corey was beating
his head up against the table, but can that much damage like be done in like literally
just three whacks?
I'm going to say no.
Okay.
That was a little hard to believe.
Corey strikes me as the type of person that is less than peak physical condition.
He's definitely not as strong as Michael Myers.
Absolutely not.
Michael Myers is a freaking brute force.
Yeah.
If Michael would have done it, I would have completely bought it.
But Corey doing it, eh.
It's a little hard of a...
Kind of like the same thing with the whole head stomp.
Like did that feel like that could have happened?
Not with him.
Yeah.
Like in Halloween 2018 made sense when Michael stomped his doctor's head in.
Yeah.
Corey, yeah.
Like definitely would have busted up her face.
Wouldn't have freaking cracked it like a pumpkin though.
Yeah.
And then he like, I think it would have been better had they saved that part for when he
like drove over her face.
Oh, I agree.
That one would have made a lot more sense.
But yeah.
So yeah, definitely have to take into consideration Corey's killing spree and how that just kind
of felt out of the realm of possibility for him.
Yeah.
But the rest of everything else felt pretty decent.
So I might be pretty high with the logic on this one.
I'd go like an 85.
I think I'll match you there.
Alright.
Alright, next up we got effects.
Lots of practical on this, which I appreciate.
I love that about most horror movies, especially Slashers.
Yeah, tons of fake blood and a lot of prosthetics, but I love it so much.
Yeah.
Like they do a really good job with this one.
I know we brought it up and it might sound freaking gruesome as hell, but the way that
that kid at the beginning died, like, perfection.
Yeah, that looks so real.
Didn't look CGI at all.
Yeah.
So love that.
All the other kills too, like they all looked really, really good.
Like honestly, even the dummy that they used for Michael when he's getting crushed, I feel
that that looked pretty decent.
That might be the one that I have a minor issue with because it felt too...
Sturdy?
Oh, too sturdy?
Okay.
It was weird because it's like his legs came like perfectly straight up, it felt.
And then like his head was like really floppy.
So I think that might be like maybe the one thing that they did do like all CG on.
Yeah, you don't think that was just like a dummy that they threw him?
No.
Because I don't know if it would have ripped it down as fast as it did.
Those machines don't typically move very fast in general.
Like it's very slow to give like time for stuff to like grab.
Yeah.
So I don't think that Michael would have just been absolutely shredded.
I think it would have taken a lot more time.
Okay.
So I'm going to dock for that scene.
Just because that looked a little meh.
That's okay, that's fair.
Everything else though looked really good.
Like all the other kills.
Yeah all the other kills were great.
I'm gonna say I'm at a 90.
I'm gonna go a little bit lower than you and be like at an 88.
Okay.
All right next up we got music.
I will fight you for a 10 on this.
I just want to say that right now.
Dude what?
A 10?
This is John Carpenter at his best.
This might be my favorite soundtrack of the whole trilogy.
Dude.
This soundtrack is amazing.
I will fight you for a 10.
I can meet it at 9.
You can give it a 10.
Yeah that's true.
But I know it will be bumped to a 9 because I don't think I can really convince you to
give it a 10.
No.
The soundtrack was good.
Don't get me wrong.
But overall I felt it was just slightly above average.
I'm at an 8.
That's my personal score.
I know that the music will average out to a 9.
The disrespect to John Carpenter.
I know exactly what I'm saying and to who I'm saying it to.
But I feel like I've heard better.
You son of a bitch.
Dude literally I'm the kind of person that I can hate, hate a Halloween movie.
But the soundtrack is always just still freaking good.
Yeah not in this one.
I disagree so kiss my ass.
Oh man.
Alright next up we got...
Because if we don't we got anything else to say about music.
Next up we got costumes.
And this one's hard for me too.
Because the only costume would be Michael's.
And you could say I guess like Cory's scarecrow mask.
I know but he only wore it once.
True.
Like I think if he would have worn it more or even like I would have loved for him to
make a full mask.
That would have been cool.
Like if he would have made like a...
Oh what are those freaking bags called?
Like that they use for like scarecrow's.
Oh like a potato sack.
That's what it is.
Yep.
Yeah like if he would have made a potato sack bag where it looked kind of like that Halloween
mask that would have been awesome.
That would have...
That had such potential.
That would have actually also been like a really cool like Easter egg to Jason.
Because that was like the first mask that he wore was just a bag potato bag.
Or wow.
A potato bag on his head.
Yeah I don't think I would have wanted just like a potato sack with holes in it.
I would have wanted it to be like to have like that Halloween-y feel about it.
Okay that's cool.
Like maybe put that face like the scarecrow face that he had onto the mask.
Okay.
Or onto the potato sack like if he did that.
I think that would have had such potential especially with him wearing an outfit like...
I mean he was wearing like a wool sweater.
So he kind of had that scarecrow vibe.
It was just a super cheap mask.
Which I think if you're going with Michael like you need a killer mask if you're going
to be his sidekick.
Michael doesn't need a sidekick.
Agreed.
And I think there was a missed opportunity there for like a kick ass mask.
Yeah that's fair.
I do want to point out one thing though.
I'm sorry I don't care how much like the shape takes over Cory.
I would not put on that mask.
I don't want to know how bad that thing smells.
Yeah that shit got melted to his face dude.
Yeah.
Like you...
That latex has to smell so bad.
Yeah I'm pretty sure even Michael like the reason that he sat up and looked at Cory when
he left was like ew.
He's just like I can breathe.
I can finally breathe.
Fresh air.
Yeah he looked over at Cory being like you gonna like wash it or something?
Frickin disgusting.
I will say though I mean once again the mask looked great.
Oh yeah.
Amazing.
If there's like one of the biggest positives you can take from this whole trilogy is that
they replicated that mask from the original film and just aged it up so perfectly and
throughout all three of these movies just from it being burned from the burns like setting
in with this movie and it like becoming mold just so frickin great like oh my god.
I frickin love all three of the masks in 2018 Kills and Ends.
All three are great.
Dude they look amazing.
So yeah no complaints there with Michael's stuff at least.
Yeah.
What are you sitting at with costumes?
I mean I'm fairly high but I'm not at a 10.
I'm at a 9 honestly.
I can give you a 9.
I think if I'm like anywhere I'd be more at like an 8 and a half.
That's fair.
But since we round that would be a 9 so.
Alright last up personal scores.
Who do you want to start?
Yeah I'll start.
Oh okay.
As much of an interesting watch as this movie was I do really feel like it was a somewhat
decent conclusion to the Halloween trilogy or at least this then updated Halloween trilogy.
It was good I feel like there was some things that could have been altered story wise like
just over the entirety of the trilogy.
I think all of the parts were there though and it led to an enjoyable time.
Like I had a great time watching this movie.
I would have liked to see what this would have looked like pre pandemic times.
Like if they had the time to have this all filmed and made before we were hit by that
stuff.
So I would have been very interested in that.
And overall I think it was a decent send off for the characters.
Could have been better but what are you going to do?
I still feel like this has a lot of watchability value.
Like as much as we shit on it or have chat on it I think it is definitely worth a watch.
So definitely go check it out if you can.
So I will be giving this an 81.
This was definitely not what I expected from the final movie in Blumhouse's and David Gordon
Green's trilogy.
But I do appreciate it trying something different.
I just feel it was way too late in the game for that and I do not like that Michael Myers
takes such a back seat to this.
I get that they are trying to say the shape changes form.
It is not always Michael Myers.
That is where the entity is right now but it can be shifted into another entity.
I like that stuff.
I think it is really cool.
Just bringing in this new character Cory.
As much as I loved the character and what they did with him, minus the love story.
I know I have said that many times.
It just felt way too late in the game.
We were so hyped up to be saying with Laurie and Michael their saga ends.
This will be their final confrontation.
Only one will survive.
That definitely happens.
Michael bites the dust.
As much as I was sad to see Michael Myers die, he went out in a badass way.
It was really cool seeing the whole town of Haddonfield having a midnight procession and
just watching him be crushed to dust.
It was really cool.
Their fight just felt so anticlimactic.
It did not go on for as long as I feel it should have.
In 2018 I feel it went on for longer.
If I remember right, it definitely did.
I think this just needed to not spoil the entire fight in the trailers.
I agree.
Seriously, there is not one shot.
I think the only shot that I can think of that is not in the trailers was when Michael
chokes Laurie and when she hammers that one knife into his hand.
That is it.
Everything else is in the trailers.
Of course, her slitting his rip.
That is not in it as well.
I was telling my sister, this is the first Halloween movie that we have seen together,
that she loved it and I just liked it.
I thought it was good.
That is really what it was.
I will say I was disappointed.
Probably not as much as some other fans were.
I know there are some fans that just absolutely hate this movie.
I can understand why.
I understand why fans love this movie.
I totally understand.
This movie has sparked so much debate among this fan base that literally you can't...
If you love this movie, you suck.
If you hate this movie, you suck.
No one can have an opinion with this movie and I hate it.
It is really annoying.
Well, after this breakdown, no one else can have an opinion because they will all be wrong.
Damn right.
For me, just as a Michael Myers fan and a Halloween fan, I just wasn't satisfied completely
with how they ended this 44-year saga.
I still did enjoy it though.
I am going to go with 75.
That is a lot lower than I thought you were going to go.
Sorry.
How low did you think I was going to go?
I thought you were going to be in the 80s or even higher than I was.
Really?
No, sorry man.
Damn, I can't believe I like this movie more than you.
Yeah, dude, you and me both.
I still liked it.
I still thought it was good.
So yeah, well, unless you have anything else.
Oh wait, no, I'm sorry.
I'm going to shut up.
Caleb, you have the floor.
Alrighty.
Well, going through each of the categories, starting off with story, we started off in
a fairly average space of 76.
Acting brought it down just a hair sitting at a 72.
Acting brought it back up just a little bit sitting at a 79.
Character development, freaking rocked, sitting at an 85.
Effects a little higher than that because they were amazing, sitting at a solid 89.
Music is sitting at a 9.
Costumes is sitting at a 9.
Our personal score is sitting at a 78.
So with all of that, the final Albrows letter grade for Halloween ends has come to a C plus.
That's honestly what I wanted it to get.
Yeah, it is actually our newest, our new highest C plus movie.
Okay.
It is sitting at a 79.83%.
So it is.2% away, or technically if you want to go that far, it's technically.17 away
from being a B minus movie.
Okay.
So let me pull up the B minus movies just because we go above and below.
Alright.
So Halloween ends is sitting at a 79.83%.
That puts it above Yesterday, which is at a 79.81.
It is above The Crudes, A New Age, which is at a 79.68.
It is above Aladdin, which is at a 79.62.
It is above Scott Pilgrim versus the World, which is at a 79.58, unfortunately.
Brucker.
It is above Mortal Kombat 2021, which is at a 79.49.
And then finally it is above I Want You Back, which is at a 79.25.
Going the opposite direction, it is below.
So all of these movies that I'm about to list are B minus movies because this is, like I
said, our top C plus.
So everything I'm about to list off is a B minus movie.
But it is above or below Dear Evan Hansen, which is at a solid 80.
It is below Nomadland, which is at an 80.18.
It is below Good Boys, which is at an 80.25.
It is also below Top Gun, which is at a 80.37.
And then finally it is below Dune, which is at an 80.62.
And I do not know where we put the other Halloween movie.
So let me, so just for shits and giggles, I'm going to go back to...
What's the, we talked about Halloween Kills, right?
Yeah, yeah, we did last year.
Okay.
So that was probably a while back.
So Halloween Kills is sitting at an 85.68, so it frickin' is like above.
Then the original Halloween is a B plus.
Okay.
So right now our ranking is Halloween 78, Halloween Kills, and then Halloween Ends.
We have not broken down Halloween 2018 yet, but, and we can talk about it now, the next
episode that we're going to have is, funny enough, going to land on Halloween Day.
Yeah.
So in honor of that, we're going to talk about Halloween 2018.
Yeah.
So, might as well review the whole trilogy.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, that's where it's ranked, so passing the baton back to you, Rose.
Well thank you.
Alright, well I would say that that concludes this episode.
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