What is up bros, I'm Caleb.
And I'm Jonathan.
And we are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the all bros.
This week on the podcast in 4k spotlight we have one new movie coming out on a really
weird day.
Very.
Um, actually comes out the day this drops so.
Yeah.
Um, and through the wall we got a little bit of news.
Um, mostly Marvel.
And then like Marvel adjacent I would say.
Yeah.
Honestly this is the most we've had to talk about in a while for news I feel.
Yeah it's been a hot minute.
Um, so yeah we'll get into that awesome Marvel breakdown.
And then like, like I said Marvel adjacent.
Technically it actually won't be Marvel adjacent anymore.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah.
And then for our headliner this week we will be breaking down the Halloween 2018 in honor
of it being Halloween.
As of the day that we released this.
Yeah.
And you know might as well review the whole trilogy.
Yeah why not.
I mean we did it with the Matrix.
Like why not do it with Rose's favorite franchise.
Damn right.
Well I can't decide if it's this or Ghostbusters.
It's a toss up for me.
Well Ghostbusters is like a trilogy I would say now.
Okay.
Fair enough.
So it's like anything like what's past a trilogy like what is considered a franchise or I don't
know like six movies.
I have no idea.
Anyway.
So that's what you guys can look forward to this episode.
So with that let's say we get right on into it.
Let's do it.
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Alrighty, starting off with 4K Spotlight.
We have one new release coming out today if you're listening to this the day that it gets
released.
So, Rose, would you like to tell everyone about that?
I would love to.
So coming out today is Top Gun Maverick.
Finally.
It feels like this movie came out forever ago and it's just barely getting released
on a physical format but there's nothing wrong with that.
So it's actually not even getting any exclusives because the Steelbook you can get it almost
anywhere.
Amazon, Target, Best Buy.
It's a gorgeous Steelbook.
I pre-ordered it like literally even before the artwork was announced because I have the
first one so I gotta have the second one on Steelbook as well.
So yeah, I'm pretty sure that's still available for pre-order if you guys want to get that.
Or I'm sorry, not pre-order.
Or you could just order it today since it comes out today.
I'm sure it's still available.
Or if you don't want that, you can just get it on regular 4K and Blu-ray.
Hell yeah.
So, yeah.
That might be the quickest we've ever done a 4K Spotlight.
Alright, getting into our Through the Wall segment.
We have two trailers that came out and then one bit of really interesting news.
I'll say we'll start off with the news item first because I don't know if I have too much
to say other than to express my excitement.
That's fair.
So first off, the new heads of DC Films and Animation have been announced and the new
heads are going to be James Gunn and Peter Zafran.
And holy shit, I could not be more excited about this.
James Gunn heading up DC Films.
He's going to be the DC equivalent of freaking Kevin Feige.
Dude, straight up, this is a match made in heaven.
Absolutely.
I feel with him, we're going to get to see some weird shit.
We've already gotten that with freaking the Suicide Squad movie that he released and the
Peacemaker TV show.
I think we're going to get DC characters that we didn't know we cared about.
Yeah, no, I think you're absolutely right.
I could not be more excited.
For those of you that don't know who Peter Zafran is, he's taken more of a producer role,
but he's done a lot of production on a wide variety of horror films and most DC projects
after Justice League.
So I think he's a fairly good fit to kind of has that production role.
James Gunn has the directorial know how.
So I think this is like a match made in heaven.
And I'm so excited for the future of DC for for me.
And I'm sure I can speak for Rose on this too.
I've always been more of a Marvel fanboy, but I love Marvel and DC like damn near equally.
I can't say I'm the same.
I've always loved Marvel more, but I still do love DC.
But hopefully James Gunn can change that.
We'll see.
Yeah, hopefully he can.
I have really high hopes that he will be able to and he seems really excited about the future
of DC.
And honestly, I hope he just brings what he normally brings to the world.
And it's just wild and out there projects.
And honestly, I don't know.
Like if I were to just take a wild shot in the dark or just guess on what the future
of DC is going to look like, I don't know if there's going to be a focus on the pillars,
you could say, of DC like with Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.
I think they'll have their role in James Gunn's universe.
But I don't know if there'll be like a main focus.
That's fair.
I could see that.
Yeah, I have a feeling we're going to get to see characters that very few people know
about.
And like it's just one of those things I would I'd love to see.
I would love to see that.
Yeah, honestly, I would too.
Dead serious.
Yeah, it's like instead of it focusing on like the main seven of the Justice League,
we're going to see all those background characters from Justice League Unlimited.
Dude, yeah, exactly.
So I cannot be more excited for this.
And I hope James Gunn and Peter Safran have like the best time doing this and just like
bring DC up to the level that we've come to expect from superhero movies.
Yeah, no, no, I absolutely agree.
And I also hope that that Peter Safran kind of sticks with his with what he knows and
produces some scary ass movies too.
Because I mean, we all know that DC has always kind of been like on the darker side.
So I hope they just freaking run with that and keep like give us some like R rated superhero
content.
Yes, absolutely agree.
So like I said, high hopes and congratulations to those two.
Like could not think of a better dream team.
All right, moving on to our next bit of news.
Still sticking with James Gunn, the trailer for the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
has just been released.
And this looks like a great freaking time.
It really does.
Like, oh my god.
Yeah, so like for those of you who haven't seen the trailer, go check it out.
But this looks like it's it's awesome.
Like they've expressed that.
Like I love that they have Kraglin in here kind of acting like Yondu.
Like he has this insight to Peter Quill that no one else seems to like seems to have.
So it's like it's nice to to see that like come into to play here.
And so like it starts off like Peter's all bummed out because it's like around Christmas
time.
Gamora has been missing and he's wanting to like find her.
And so the Guardians are trying to think of a way to cheer him up this holiday season.
So Drax and Mantis travel to Earth to collect the legendary Kevin Bacon for Peter Quill.
Oh, it's too perfect.
Dude, this I wouldn't even be pissed if this was just freaking Drax and Mantis like the
entire I wouldn't be there.
I wouldn't be there.
And you know, kudos to Kevin Bacon for being game to do this.
I appreciate that so much.
I know me too.
Like I wonder if he's like friends with James Gunn or something, because I mean, he I'm
pretty sure he's been mentioned in like every Guardians, right?
Yeah I'm pretty sure he has.
Yeah I know like he's been he was mentioned in the first one.
Fairly certain he was talked about in the second one.
Yeah he was.
I don't know if Kevin Bacon was was talked about in Infinity War, but I know Footloose
was brought up.
And then I don't like Endgame I don't think had any like Kevin Bacon reference, but I
think those three for sure.
Like the Guardians are always talking about Kevin Bacon.
So yeah, the fact that they were able to get him to do this special just so good.
So good.
Yeah so good.
And it seems like it's going to be really heartwarming too.
Like I can almost like feel the emotion coming off of Star Lord when they turn on all the
Christmas lights.
Yeah it was so sweet.
Dude like I don't know about you, but I do not understand the shit that Chris Pratt gets
for like everything.
Like I know that there's like some shady shit that he's done like behind the scenes or like
on social media or whatever.
And I like I understand that to a point.
Yeah but like yeah I feel out there.
Yeah people freaking rag on him like no man's business.
Oh no I agree.
I mean yeah.
I agree.
I will fully admit yeah I don't agree with everything that he said or what he's done
or how he feels about some things.
But no like it doesn't change how I feel about him.
Like I still think he's a very good actor.
I love seeing his work and I'm stoked to see him once again playing Star Lord.
I look past my differences with an actor because I just enjoy them in certain movies.
Yeah that might be part of it.
Maybe we're just like makes me wonder like if we're like the minority because we're like
really good at separating the art from the artist.
Yeah.
Which I don't know if that's like a totally good thing but whatever.
Anyway like super excited that comes out November 25th so that comes out Thanksgiving Day right?
Yeah I think so that sounds right.
Yeah like what let's just make sure.
Let me check.
Or is that a Wednesday?
Oh so it comes out Black Friday.
Oh okay there you go.
So instead of going Black Friday shopping watch that.
Yeah.
So couldn't be more excited for that.
Comes in the perfect time too because I refuse to celebrate Christmas until the day actually
until dinner's done like Thanksgiving dinner is like over with.
That's when you can start celebrating Christmas.
And I'm the kind of person that will be blasting Christmas music November 1st so.
You are the type of person that I hate.
Yeah I know I am.
We're complete opposites when it comes to that shit.
So yeah definitely go check that out.
And the last bit of news sticking in Marvel the Ant-Man and the Wasp quantumania trailer
got released today.
Or not today.
This week.
I was like.
And holy shit the vibes for this movie do not feel like they're going to be very pleasant.
No Kang really comes to play it seems in this movie.
Yep.
And oh my gosh.
This does not give me the warm fuzzies.
No it's it's definitely no Ant-Man or Ant-Man and the Wasp.
This one is definitely taken a lot more stakes for its third movie which it should.
It is the third Ant-Man movie.
So it makes sense.
Yeah.
You freaking nailed it right on the head like it does feel like there's just going to be
more stakes to this.
And I hope Marvel doesn't freaking puss out.
I hope so too.
Like I want to see some shit that like means something.
I have a feeling.
I have a feeling one of Hope's parents or if not both are not making this movie alive.
I have a feeling.
If they do that that's ballsy as hell and I will 100 percent support it.
Yeah.
Oh same here because I'm sorry.
I hope they don't kill Hope.
You can't freaking kill the Wasp when she's just barely getting started.
Dude I as much as I love Paul Rudd could you imagine if they kill him off.
Oh dude that would be so ballsy.
That would be ridiculously ballsy.
And it's like if he has like more movies in him like okay don't kill him but or actually
kill him and just make him part of like the multiverse characters now.
All right there you go.
But I don't know.
I think that could be could give us some like really interesting storytelling like what
I imagine that they would do with that is make make the team up be between Hope and
Cassie and have them be like the new Ant-Man Wasp duo.
Obviously like whatever Cassie ends up being.
I forget what her her like superhero persona is but have you seen the Frickin.
So I think it's like one of the final shots that's when it's Cassie in the middle and
then it's Scott and Hope on both sides of her and they're like just like looking somewhere.
So many I've seen so many Frickin memes of being like this shit reminds me of Spy Kids
3 you know just just just shows like a scene of when they're like all Frickin in costume
and the Frickin third spy kids I'm just like why you got to put that thought into my head
assholes.
Yeah this is going to be a very CG heavy movie.
Yeah.
And we know how Marvel handles shit like that and it's not always like the best.
True very true.
But again I got high hopes for this movie.
This is one that I've all I've been really excited for since they announced it and just
to the just getting to see Kang and what's going to come of him in the future and just
get an idea of what's going on down the line like I'm super excited dude.
Yeah no dude same here same here.
And the actor they have playing Kang is just terrifying.
Yeah what's his name Jonathan Mayers?
Yeah.
Okay.
I actually really like also I know we only saw like a little bit of her but the girl
that they picked to play Cassie I think she's going to do a good job.
I don't have any problems with her.
Yeah when they announced that recasting it's not one I was upset about.
I'm like a little just bummed out that maybe we don't get to see what the other girl would
have brought to the to the table.
That's fair but I mean she like that actress has been in some amazing movies like we couldn't
stop talking about her with the in Freaky.
That is true that is very true.
So definitely have some some high hopes there with her as well.
So I'm I'm beyond pumped so I wish that we would have gotten to see what everyone else
got to see with freaking Modok.
Oh it was that that I wanted to see but I also wanted to see that scene where Kang is
just like oh are you an Avenger have I killed you before or some shit like that.
Yeah I hate that that scene wasn't in here.
Yeah that was such bullshit dude like I don't understand why they just don't release the
freaking Comic Con shit.
Dude straight up like come on.
Like that's something I was all like always like super butthurt about.
Like I like do you remember the freaking leak for the Batman versus Superman trailer.
Yes.
I don't did we ever get that.
I'm pretty sure we didn't.
Nope never did.
That was such not that I remember.
Yeah it's like OK you've released the trailer now now show us what you showed everyone in
Comic Con.
Yeah but no.
Yeah freaking ridiculous.
But anyway no use bitching about the shit we don't get.
Fair enough.
Gosh I'm I'm beyond excited.
Kang has always been one of my favorite Avengers villains or just like someone that the Avengers
have gone up against like he's just been so interesting and it's wild.
It is so freaking wild that that we're getting that.
So I I'm ready I'm I am really freaking ready for quantum mania.
I honestly feel bad that like I didn't really read a lot of comics as a kid so I didn't
know anything about Kang until he was introduced into the MCU.
But I am so stoked to see what catastrophic shit he's going to cause in this third movie.
Yeah well my my first introduction to him wasn't through comics.
My first introduction to Kang was through the TV shows the animated.
Oh OK.
So like Earth's Mightiest Heroes.
Like the heat they fought.
Oh yeah.
OK.
And then they also fought him in the Avengers assemble show and that fight got freaking
wild.
Oh really.
Yeah.
It's freaking nuts.
So I I am beyond excited for for Kang and his suit.
Oh looks amazing.
It does.
Absolutely.
Like oh my God.
Yeah.
And anyone who is bitching that he didn't have like a blue face can go jump in a creek.
Seriously shut the hell up.
Yeah just like I was actually super glad that he didn't have a blue face.
Like I'm glad that it's just his helmet putting like some sort of blue visor over his face.
Yeah.
Same here man.
So much more sense and it looks incredible.
Oh yeah.
Absolutely agree.
I think if they would have made him blue that would have looked freaking stupid.
Everything can't be comic accurate.
I'm sorry to break it to you guys.
Yeah.
So gosh.
But what they did I love how it's like I wonder like how well they're going to play with the
lighting of that because I feel you can get some like really cool effects with that lighting.
Like change it just when he wants to be intimidating just change the lighting so it's just gives
him more shadow on his face makes him a little bit more haunting to look at.
Yes.
Like I think you could do some like great shit with that.
Oh absolutely agree.
So yeah freaking love what they're doing and can't wait to see this movie.
Same here.
All right one out of ten for the holiday special in quantumania where you at?
I'm honestly at a nine for both.
Damn it so am I.
Hell yeah.
I love it.
Dude these trailers were off the hook.
They were so good.
So good.
Like they gave us everything that we needed like holiday special gave us just enough story
that we're excited for it and just like ready to go and then quantum mania just got us hyped
as hell.
Yes.
Oh like I feel like the beginning of the movie is going to have like the at least with quantum
mania is going to have the happy go lucky vibes that we've gotten from the previous
Ant-Man movies and then it's just going to take a freaking dark turn.
Dude straight up I could yeah I could absolutely see it and honestly I kind of want that.
Yeah same here.
Oh anyway that pretty much covers everything that we wanted to talk about in our through
the wall segment unless you had anything to add Rose.
No I got nothing.
All right well let's say we get right into this week's headliner where we break down
Halloween 2018.
Let's do it.
Basically like we said we'll be breaking down the 2018 Halloween movie the first in the
new Halloween trilogy.
Yeah.
So this movie for those of you that don't know is the is it the immediate sequel after
the 28 or the original.
Yes yeah.
So this like in this timeline only the first movie had happened.
Yep.
Yeah in this timeline literally after the events of the first Michael was caught shortly
after and locked and has been locked up for 40 years.
Yes.
So for those of you that are not familiar with our breakdown system we have split movies
into eight different categories that we individually score to come to a final all Rose letter grade.
The eight categories that we score our story writing acting character development effects
music costumes and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm that gives us a
letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade as well as a percentage
so we can figure out just a fun listing and that one that's more for us than anything.
Yeah that's true.
Like if what's really important is the grade that it gets.
Yes.
So with that if you have not seen Halloween 2018 definitely go check it out.
It is absolutely worth the watch as you will inevitably find out.
But yeah Rose is about to read off the entire synopsis for the movie and if you listen past
this point and anything is spoiled for you that is on you.
So without further ado Rose have at it.
Alright on October 29th 2018 infamous serial killer Michael Myers who has been institutionalized
at Smiths Grove Psychiatric Hospital for 40 years following his killing spree in Haddonfield
is being prepared for transfer to a maximum security prison.
Through crime podcasts podcasters Aaron Corey and Dana Haynes visit the hospital and during
their encounter Aaron displays the mask that Michael wore in 1978 to him to no effect.
In Haddonfield Laurie Strode the only survivor of Michael's killing spree lives in rigid
fear of him to present day now drinking heavily and rarely leaving her heavily fortified house.
She has a strained relationship with her daughter Karen whom the state took away from her when
Karen was 12.
Allison Laurie's granddaughter does try to maintain a relationship with her grandmother.
The night of October 30th as Michael is being transferred the bus crashes and patients begin
to wander into the road.
The accident causes a father and son to stop to see what is going on.
Michael murders them both takes their truck and returns to Haddonfield.
On the morning of October 31st Michael sees Aaron and Dana visiting his sister Judith's
grave.
He follows them to a gas station where he kills them both as well as a mechanic for
his coveralls before recovering his mask from Aaron's car.
Deputy Frank Hawkins who arrested Michael in 1978 tries to convince Sheriff Barker that
Michael is dangerous after learning that he has escaped.
Laurie also learns of Michael's escape and attempts to warn Karen but Karen dismisses
her concerns urging Laurie to move on with her life.
Later that night Allison finds her boyfriend Cameron cheating on her at a costume party
and leaves with his friend Oscar.
Meanwhile babysitting a boy named Julian Allison's best friend Vicki and her boyfriend Dave are
killed by Michael.
Deputy Hawkins and Laurie overhear the incident on the radio and go over to the house.
Laurie sees Michael for the first time in 40 years and shoots him in the shoulder before
he flees.
The police take Laurie, Karen and her husband Ray to Laurie's home for protection and a
squad car remains outside the residence.
Deputy Hawkins promises to find Allison and brings her to be with the family.
Dr. Ramber Sartain, Michael's psychiatrist and former student of Dr. Samuel Limas persuades
Sheriff Barker to help in the hunt for Michael.
Meanwhile as Allison and Oscar walk home from the party Michael kills Oscar but Hawkins
and Sartain arrive just in time to rescue Allison.
Deputy Hawkins then tries to kill Michael but Dr. Sartain, who has become obsessed with
Michael's enigmatic motivations, attacks and leaves Hawkins for dead.
It is revealed that he orchestrated Michael's escape to study him in the wild.
Dr. Sartain then heads towards Laurie's home with an unconscious Michael and Allison locked
in the backseat together.
Michael wakes up and kills Sartain while Allison flees from the scene.
Michael then ambushes and kills two police officers that are outside Laurie's home.
When Ray goes outside to greet who he believes are the two officers Michael strangles him
to death.
Laurie manages to get Karen to safety before she engages in a showdown with Michael.
Laurie severely injures Michael but he stabs her in the abdomen and pushes her over a balcony.
When Michael goes to check Laurie's body he finds it missing, reminiscent of their final
encounter decades ago.
Karen pretends to break down in tears and calls out for her mother, luring Michael and
allowing her to shoot him in the jaw.
Laurie suddenly reappears and attacks Michael trapping him inside the safe room with Karen
and Allison's help.
The trio sets the house ablaze and Laurie says goodbye to Michael before she begins to faint
and lets her daughter and granddaughter quickly hitchhike a passerby vehicle to take her to
the hospital.
A final shot of the burning basement is shown with Michael nowhere in sight.
In a post credit scene Michael's breathing is heard indicating that he has survived.
I do not remember there being a post credit scene.
I do not either.
Since when was that a thing?
I thought the final shot was literally them closing up on the knife that Allison was holding
in the truck.
I thought that was it.
Yeah, that's what I remember too.
But whatever.
Okay.
Apparently there was an end credit scene.
Dude, they freaking need to put some sort of warning that there's a post credit scene.
Dude, straight up.
Because I'm so tired of every single movie now I have to go see right as the credits
start rolling out to freaking pull out your phone and be like, oh hey, is there a post
credit scene for this movie?
Nope.
Okay, I can leave.
I can go pee finally.
Yeah.
That's always my thing.
If I don't have to pee super bad, yes, I will absolutely sit through the credits.
But if I'm like busting at the seams, like I gotta go.
Like at least give a freaking countdown in the credits somewhere.
Yeah, exactly.
Like hey, you got like five minutes until the end credit scene comes up.
Gotta pee?
Go ahead.
Yeah.
But anyway.
This movie was amazing.
It is a very solid return to form for this franchise and I love it so much for that.
Yeah, like I couldn't even imagine like when we like before I remember when we originally
went to go see this that we we watched the original like right before.
And then we went to go see this movie.
And dude, I couldn't even imagine like how happy you were with with what was shown because
they started this thing off incredibly well.
This still has to this day the best two of the best moments in the Halloween franchise
in my opinion.
The one is Michael finally getting his mask back and putting it on and then the slow mo
I get freaking chills every single time.
It's just so perfect.
I'm like yes Michael Myers is back.
This is freaking incredible.
And the other part is when he first returns to Haddonfield and they're playing the return
of the shape the shape score from John Carpenter himself and it's entirely a one shot of him
just walking down the streets of Haddonfield just stalking people.
He kills two two ladies in their houses.
And like I said all of this is in one shot.
It is freaking amazing and I love it so much.
And oh my god I love this movie.
Dude, it is really freaking good especially for a horror.
Like they nailed everything the kills were brutal and left you just haunting.
Like I was freaking I still freaking get chills when he is killing the pod the other podcaster
the his assistant or whatever the hell she is.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
She's like going to the bathroom and he's already beat the shit out of the first guy
knocking out all his teeth.
And so he just freaking drops the teeth behind the freaking door to the stall.
That was terrifying.
Yeah it's very clear that Michael is definitely a lot more aggressive in this movie and the
other two compared to the original.
Honestly I'm okay with that because all fully.
I mean you kind of can understand you know if you're a serial killer and you've been
locked up for 40 years you got a lot to make up.
So yeah his brutality dude is what made this movie.
And then on top of that like I love throughout the entirety of this this trilogy and especially
like with everything that they could have done they could have ruined the illusion that
is Michael Myers for us.
Like super easily by showing us his face.
But they never did.
Like we got to see like the back of his head a couple times but.
You did see like half of his face a little bit at the beginning.
It's so quick though.
But yeah.
But like honestly like even if they did show his whole face the actor that they picked
to play Michael Myers in this one and throughout the whole trilogy James Ducourtney.
Oh my god.
Like honestly he might be Nick Castle for my favorite Michael Myers ever.
I just freaking love him so much.
He is Michael Myers.
It is incredible.
Yeah it's so good.
And this story like as absurd as you may think that it is where these people that are just
obsessed with Michael.
Lore him to Laurie's house.
I do appreciate that they because you know I know I remember like when this first this
movie first came out and like they were saying like oh yeah you know like we're we're ignoring
all the other sequels.
They never were brother and sister.
So literally Laurie has been living in fear for 40 years knowing that Michael would come
back to her to finish her off.
I remember think I remember think yeah but why would he come like in a way I was thinking
but why would he come back if he's just like a serial killer does he really need to finish
Laurie off if there's like no sibling connection anymore.
I don't know if he really feels the need to.
And throughout this movie you kind of get a glimpse of that like yeah no like he's really
just out for blood.
But then the fact that it's the doctor that drives him to Laurie's house and then it's
just it it plain there in black and white that yeah I had nothing to do with Michael
wanting to go kill Laurie for the final time.
It's just that once he gets to her house he recognizes her and he's just like okay you
know what.
F it.
Let's kill her.
I think it was like a recognition thing.
He's it's more just he was dropped off here and just saw someone that he could kill.
But see the thing is.
Sorry go ahead.
No you're good.
Um like oh sorry I'm sorry.
I apologize man I apologize you go you go.
No you're good you're good.
What I was just trying to say is that it's just it never felt like he cared at all about
Laurie.
It was just he was on him like even in the first one it's just he was set in stone on
all these people that he was going to kill.
And this one was just running away from him so it's like hey part of the fun is the chase.
Like that's kind of what I got from him in the original.
This one same thing.
It's just okay here's a target it's running like here's here's my prey it's running away
now I need to get it.
That's kind of the vibe that he was putting off about Laurie.
It wasn't like it didn't it never felt personal for him.
It felt super personal for Laurie.
It was just kind of like it just like very reminiscent of that end game scene where it's
just like you took everything from me.
I don't even know who you are.
Speaking of that and this is why I feel like sometimes I wish that the details in the books
could be transferred into the movie.
In the opening of the Halloween Kills novelization they do like the whole fire thing where Michael
you know is locked in her basement and he's looking up at you know Laurie, Allison and
Karen.
And it actually straight up says he's the shape recognizes Laurie but he doesn't have
he doesn't exactly remember fully her but he still feels like okay you know what for
what she's put me through you know what maybe I should finish her off.
So he does actually recognize her.
Okay, but he doesn't recognize her until he's freaking like on fire.
Yeah, but it's just like that like fact alone I'm like why couldn't you put that into the
movie but it would have been a lot harder for them to do because you know Michael Myers
doesn't talk.
So then being able to just say oh hey the shape you know like is looking at her and
just recognizes her like that's freaking cool.
I love that he actually does recognize Laurie.
Yeah it would be so difficult to portray that from Michael because it's like what things
could you do that would like indicate that it would be like pointing at her but that
would look weird.
And you can't do it with his eyes he has dead eyes.
He has black like he has the blackest eyes.
Yeah so you can't do that and then it's like the only other option is it like I would say
is like a head tilt at her but that actually could have worked.
Yeah, just like I would have accepted that being like him being like huh.
I remember you now.
Yeah like I think that's probably the route that I would have gone.
Damn I would have loved it if they did that.
Oh that would have been badass.
Damn it Green.
Just kidding.
I would love to be a consultant on like what movies.
My question for you and I feel like I want to ask a lot of people this with this movie
especially so in Halloween H2 okay wait okay so you don't you've never seen Halloween H2O
right?
Not all the way through.
I have seen the beginning but that's about it.
Okay so in that timeline you know you know Halloween 2 still happens so they're still
brother and sister but after the events of that night Lori tries to move on she moves
to California she has a son she got married and she's you know like working at this school
as a teacher you know she's really trying to make the most of her life and you know
of course you know like Michael returns and you know shit hits the fan of course.
But yeah in this timeline after what happened on just the first night because if Halloween
H2O includes the second one I think it's in total he killed 18 people whereas in this
one it was only oh my god what was it five?
It was either three or five it's always thrown up in the air because a lot of people don't
count the mechanic but I'm like but Michael clearly killed him I don't know why you're
not counting the mechanic.
Yeah obviously you count the mechanic.
Yeah so the fact that Lori you know after the events that she went through that night
she's you know it after up so bad she's lived in fear for 40 years it's messed up her relationships
the amount of you know post-traumatic stress that she has is just awful do you buy that?
The way that they set it up does it make sense to you or you're just or are you just like
it's a little stretch for me you know like she only saw her friends get murdered okay
and now I'm sounding like a jackass here.
Like yeah she only saw her friends get murdered dude.
Yeah that's nothing I saw that last Tuesday I don't know what you're talking about.
Okay this is the issue that I had with Halloween ends like spoiler alert for if you haven't
seen or heard that episode I had the issue that she somehow moved on or was attempting
to move on in that film and she felt very like cheery and then yeah so that's where
the issue comes in for me she held like it's not outside of the realm of disbelief for
me like if she it's just choose a road like if you want to have her hold the grudge for
40 years that's not outside the realm of possibility for me like yeah she's preparing for worst
case scenario like I absolutely get that.
Like I can completely 100% get behind that reasoning like oh like she's afraid that the
guy that murdered all her friends when she was this age is going to escape one day totally
get it dude absolutely get it but if you wanted to take the other way and it'd be like okay
she's moving past it she's moving past the trauma or whatever I totally would have gotten
that.
It's just the fact that it didn't remain consistent if she would have like if they would have
taken that route where she had moved on in the first movie I would have understand why
she was trying to move on in the last movie but it's my question is.
You're expecting me to believe that someone held a grudge for 40 years and then let it
go.
You know fair enough with that what if they would have flipped it that you know after
40 years she decides to or okay you know like maybe she like sulked for she like went through
stress for a year like let's say 20 years but then what we see in Halloween ends is
the character that she is in Halloween 2018 her trying to move on but then the character
that she is in Halloween 2018 and Halloween kills is the character that she is in Halloween
ends that because of what happens to Karen and you know all of Haddonfield she's like
oh hell no like she we ain't playing around this time.
Yep that would have made absolute sense to me and would have come across so much better.
Yeah I agree.
So I am like I said the route that they took with this movie completely understandable
with her holding the grudge for this long and just kind of always being on edge because
the killer is still alive.
Like totally get it.
So like I said not outside the realm of possibility for me.
Trying to think what else.
I mean did you have any other problems with the story like any of the characters or anything?
Surprisingly not like after the rewatch this week I honestly didn't have like as many issues
as I thought I did like I thought that maybe I would have issues with like Karen getting
involved.
Like Karen and Alison kind of felt like an unnecessary part of this movie but.
That's fair I mean I feel that they definitely yeah I definitely will say I actually like
their characters probably more in kills.
Absolutely absolutely.
But no I get where you're coming from with that.
Yeah they I think that was my only thing it's just they weren't really well written into
the story.
Yeah.
It's just kind of they were just more or less there until they became useful later on.
Until Michael escaped then they're just like oh hey you know what our great you know Laurie
was actually right yeah no shit.
Yeah so I think that was my maybe my only issue there.
Okay other than that though.
Okay sorry one more thing.
The Doctor because I don't know about you.
Yeah that's my biggest problem with this movie because yeah when the Doctor like does the
whole switch and kills quotations officer Hawkins even though he comes back and kills
because he was such a fan favorite.
Spoiler alert guys if you haven't seen this movie or kills.
We already gave the spoiler alert.
Okay that's true.
But yeah so like once he like switches and oh my god when I first saw this movie and
he put the when when we saw this together and he put the mask on dude I remember how
freaking irritated I was I'm like no no one else is allowed to wear that except for Michael
take that damn thing off.
I was so mad dude.
The Doctor was so much.
He was like I get it like him like this is why I like Doctor Loomis so much better.
He oh my god.
Even like the freaking like the audio that they play of Doctor Loomis in this movie which
the actor that they had did a great job impersonating Donald Pleasence.
They should have really just freaking listened to him just saying like the only there is
no point in keeping evil alive literally just give him a lethal injection and then burn
his body.
Yeah.
There's no point in keeping him alive just give him the death penalty.
Man.
They should have they honestly should have and it's like like I said the Doctor really
screwed me up.
Yeah like honestly like the Doctor route that they took at all.
I actually would have preferred had the the podcasters been the ones to like sabotage
his transfer.
You know what that's that's fair.
Like yeah especially if they wanted to get like a really good story I could see that.
Yeah something like that or maybe if it even wasn't like the guy podcaster if it was like
the girl and she was just like secretly obsessed with Michael and somehow thought that if she
helped Michael escape she'd have a shot with him like like you know those weird like serial
killer groupies.
I don't know I think the guy was more obsessed with Michael because have you seen the deleted
scene of this movie with them.
No.
So there is a deleted scene where she's showering and this motherfucker puts on the Michael
Myers mask and scares the shit out of her in the shower and I think he actually said
he says she's like okay whatever are you going to get in and he actually I think contemplates
getting in with the mask on.
I'm like dude are you freaking serious.
This shit is 40 years old it was part of a crime scene.
Okay I that is one thing that I will bring up.
I'm sorry when he like pulls the mask out at the beginning he's just like I borrowed
something from a friend of my a friend at the Attorney General's office.
Ain't no freaking way that anyone would let him take that off or take that out of evidence.
That shit is staying in evidence from 1978 till the time that I for all of oblivion.
Yep gosh so dumb.
Yeah I would have.
That's what pissed me off.
Yeah I absolutely understand that the guy seemed a little bit more obsessed with Michael
but if just minor rewrite I would have made the girl a little bit more obsessed but like
secretly more obsessed.
Okay it's like then maybe it's like she kills the dude and then set like uses the car to
sabotage the transfer and then she comes out like praising Michael's being or whatever
like you want to say like oh my gosh Michael you're so great and then he just freaking
bushwhacks her.
Yes.
And then takes the car.
Oh dude when he freaking head stomped the doctor oh so satisfying.
Dude legit.
Yeah when he's when he's just like say something I'm like I swear to God David Gordon Green
if you make Michael Myers talk like Rob Zombie did I'm gonna I'm gonna walk out of this freaking
theater.
I'm out.
Rob Zombie made him talk.
Oh yeah you didn't know that.
No yeah so in the Rob Zombie trilogy.
Oh you haven't.
It's only two movies thank God.
Oh okay.
But so yeah and his Halloween 2 at the end Loomis is trying to like talk Michael into
you know like standing down and Michael just grabs his knife and he shouts DIE and stabs
it into Loomis.
I'm like no.
Yeah you ruined him.
Yep well yep you just ruined the shape.
Thanks Zombie appreciate it.
What do you think like overall though like despite the issues and the like arguably better
rewrites that we would have had.
I I'm still fairly high on the story.
Oh same here.
This is this is honestly hands down one of the best Halloween sequels ever.
Yeah like this.
There ain't no question about it.
I think despite any other like timeline that I choose to watch this will be like my defining
timeline for Michael.
Honestly I feel the same way as much problems as I have with Halloween ends the way the
two movies that it took to get to that I love so much and I love what they did with Michael
Myers that yeah this is this is the timeline that I will honestly go for because even my
problems with Halloween ends I don't hate it.
I don't hate that movie.
In other timelines there's movies that I just absolutely hate.
Halloween Resurrection Halloween 5.
So yeah.
Which one's the one with Buster Rhymes.
That is unfortunately Halloween Resurrection and I hate that that is included.
Yeah I hate that that is included in the Halloween Halloween 2 and Halloween H2O timeline because
both of those are great sequels but oh my god and it doesn't just it doesn't even make
sense of how they explain that oh it was it wasn't Michael it was the paramedic that got
his head chopped off because Michael crushed his larynx or his vocal cords whatever.
Like that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of how to how to be able to make another
Halloween movie because the other one was successful or the last one was successful.
So dumb.
Yeah I'm like shut the hell up.
Anyway so where are you sitting at with the with the story.
You know what I don't know if you're gonna be this high I'm gonna go a 90.
I am not quite that high but I am okay I'm close I'm sitting at an 88.
Okay hell yeah.
Oh 88 not 80.
Yeah just I'm just like a hair below like what you're you're you were thinking.
Okay.
It just didn't quite crack the 90 just because of the occasional like imperfections that
they had or just stuff that was just like yeah not really digging that.
That's completely fair.
Yeah all right next up we got writing.
And so this is like for those of you that don't know this is like the dialogue how certain
things were were written and despite our issues like with the story I think I might be higher
with my right.
Oh I'm I'm probably like at what you are with writing like what you were with story I'm
with that with writing because there are just some lines in this movie that I'm just like
what the fuck were they thinking with that line.
There was a few of them and the biggest one yeah oh yeah the doctor the biggest one though
because I'm sorry it's just not funny to me is at the beginning when the dad's like talking
about you know like her daughter his daughter going on a date Allison and he's just like
oh man I got peanut butter on my penis I'm like that's not funny and that is just I don't
know it's just such a weird ass line.
Dude I don't know if you have you seen like any Rick and Morty.
Only a couple episodes I haven't.
So are you familiar with how like how pathetic the dad is in that Jerry Jerry.
Jerry yeah very.
That's the that is like the line that I would have imagined being written for Jerry.
Oh really.
Yeah that's like it's just one of those just absolutely pathetic things to be said out
loud.
Yeah I'm trying to think of some other lines that I'm just like oh I mean there's some
like great lines though like my favorite line probably in this whole movie actually comes
it's not from Laurie Strode it's actually from Hawkins when they it's you know like
when they close off the bathroom after Michael kills those two podcasters and escapes it's
when he's just he's talking to Sheriff Brackett I think is that's his name.
He's like you know I was there that night I was there back in 1970s just like we have
an order of business and that's to hunt this thing down there's a reason we're supposed
to be afraid of this night.
I get freaking chills when he says there's a reason we're supposed to be afraid of this
night I'm like damn right you are Michael Myers owns Halloween.
That was pretty bitchin.
Like great it was like great everything great delivery great just well written dialogue.
Oh god freaking chills every time.
Oh man trying to think of like anything else that like stood out but it was just I wouldn't
say it was like an underwhelming script it was just fairly average other than than that
stuff.
Yeah I mean there is like some like things that I'm just like really was there a lot
because like I don't know if you remember the part where where Dr. Sars-Tane first meets
Lori and he's like I read everything about you and Michael everything I'm like okay how
much freaking was there literally only one encounter.
Yeah like one night dude.
Yeah there can't be that much and then freaking yeah when the podcasters go to her house and
they're just like you know like we just want to get like the real story and Lori's just
like there's nothing new to learn there are no new insights or discoveries I'm like yeah
I'm sure there isn't I'm sure you told everything that happened just that one frickin night.
Yeah it's like hey it was 40 years ago and it was one night crazy bitches.
Oh yeah I like I originally thought that I was going to be higher on my story grade but
I yeah I think I think you talked me down.
Oh shit really yeah my bad.
I honestly I wasn't that much higher I was thinking maybe like an 89 but I don't even
know if it deserved that.
Like I said it was it was average but maybe just a little bit above.
Yeah.
So I think I'm at like an 83.
You know what okay I'm just going to go slightly above you I'm going to go on 84 just because
of that like line from Hawkins just because it gives me frickin chills every single time.
Absolutely fair.
All right next up we got acting which top cast we have Jamie Lee Curtis who plays Lori
Strode Judy Greer who plays her daughter Karen.
Andy Matichak who plays Allison.
James Jude Courtney who is the embodiment of the shape and then Nick Castle did a couple
other scenes as the shape.
I hate that this is the only one that he came back to actually play the shape I wish he
was able to play him again and kills and ends at least for one shot like they did in this
movie.
Oh well at least he got to put the coveralls and mask on again in this one.
So he only did it for like the window scene and the breathing.
James Jude Courtney did everything else.
I love that they brought him back to do the breathing because oh my god he's just so perfect.
It's so good.
It makes me like curious like is was James Jude Courtney just unable to like match the
breathing or like um I don't know it's like to me breathing is not that hard.
It's not an honest because what Nick Castle from what I've seen to do the breathing of
Michael Myers he literally just clasps his hands over his mouth and does that.
That's how he's breezes Myers.
I don't know they might have just brought Nick Castle back just to say like oh hey we
brought the OG shape back to not only cameo but to actually do the breathing for Michael
Myers once again.
So could have been that.
I'm sure James Jude Courtney could have done it just fine.
Yeah.
I wonder why they didn't go that route.
Other than like maybe like I said like you said cameo.
Trying to think were there any other like actors that you would say were worth discussing
like I know.
Okay so Dr. Sartain was played by Haluk Bilgener.
And there's Officer Hawkins who is played by Will Patton.
Was there anyone else that you would say?
No I wouldn't say so.
Okay.
So who would be your this one's probably I know like your top two would be like Laurie
and Michael.
Yeah you're good.
Well actually number one yeah I was gonna say that's not in order.
Number one is Michael and then Laurie.
Yeah.
So it's like your number three would kind of be up in the air.
Yeah.
Okay can I say my three and four?
Sure.
Okay.
So number four I would give to Andy Matichak.
She was freaking fantastic.
I think I liked her a little more in kills than in this one but I still loved her portrayal
in this one.
But number three I would actually give to Will Patton as Officer Hawkins.
I love him in this movie.
This is my favorite performance of him throughout the trilogy.
And I know he's a new character but they tie him in so well to the events of 1978 that
I had no problems with him.
So yeah that's my number three.
Fair enough.
If I'm doing like a three and four because like I'm the same as you like James Jude Courtney
is my number one.
Jamie Lee's number two.
It was a close call between my three and four.
But I'm also going to be giving my number three to Andy Matichak who played Allison.
But it is honestly a coin flip with Judy Greer.
And it's solely because of the freak out that she was having and then the way that she just
flipped a switch.
And freaking out and just kind of got Michael into this false sense of security and then
she's like gotcha and I'm like.
Yeah that scene is so badass.
Dude that was fantastic.
I also love that.
No I was just saying like I've seen Judy Greer and a lot of stuff.
Yeah I haven't really been her biggest fan but this I loved.
I love that she also gets to do like something along the lines of that and kills as well
when she takes Michael to the mob and like the lights come on of all the cars and she's
just like gotcha.
Yeah I love that.
It's just like it's badass like I fall.
Oh yeah.
I am a sucker for shit like that.
Same here man.
Same here.
Like oh no you're in a tight spot.
You're in a tight spot.
Boom like the tables have been turned.
Gotcha bitch.
Yeah like that's probably the thing that I'm a sucker for.
I'm a sucker for gotcha bitch moments.
Yeah.
But yeah like we said Allison did a great job.
Laurie Perfection and James Jude Courtney was astrophobic.
Oh my god.
He is the boogie man.
So what would you give the acting?
Just because some brought it down for me.
I'll go I'll go an 87.
I might actually match you on that.
Oh yeah.
I can't think of like any performance off the top of my head that stood out in a negative
way.
There's maybe that's fair one or two but they're like such minor extras.
Yeah.
But I mean the rest of the extras were solid like one extra Oscar the kid that freaking
died on the fence.
Oh yeah.
Like usually I'm like I'm kind of an asshole when it comes to like like punk ass kids.
But I think his death was awesome.
Like everything he did was like sold me.
And like it he just came off as like the character he was supposed to be.
So he he was just kind of one of those standout extras.
Speaking of Oscar I didn't know this until someone pointed it out.
Okay so you remember in Halloween kills when his mother like comes to the hospital and
she sees his body in the coroner's office.
Yes.
So at the beginning of Halloween ends do you remember the lady that hung herself.
Was that her.
Yeah.
Because she's wearing his devil she's wearing his devil horns and all this shit and someone
pointed out like no shit.
Oh no.
Yeah.
I'm like oh that's like really good attention to detail from green.
But yeah.
Yeah.
When someone told me that I'm like no shit.
Oh man.
Dude I remember that.
Like that made me so sad.
Like gosh I wish they would have done something to like just give us that visualization like
a little bit better to like remind us.
For those that don't yeah I agree.
Dude that's insane.
Right.
That that's heartbreaking too.
Like it is.
Oh very much so.
Damn like if only she like if they would have added like a picture of her son or something
or just like a quick flashback of his of her son or just something to like remind us who
she was.
Like that would have had a major impact.
Yeah it all at absolute would have.
Damn.
That that's amazing.
So yeah.
So eighty seven all around for acting.
Next up we have our character development.
But with this being a horror movie we're going to be talking about the logic and how well
this movie follows the logic of the movie.
It's just like whatever the movie sets up.
How well does it follow those rules.
Yes.
And with this it's kind of it kind of doesn't set up its own rules.
Like this movie is for me I was all like being very critical on whether it followed the rules
of the original.
That's fair.
I mean I feel considering that this one doesn't start getting into them diving into oh since
you know Michael's is the epitome of evil his evil can spread the more he kills the
more he transcends into the epitome of evil he's the true definition of evil.
This one it's more so yes he's you know he's evil but it's still just he's still just a
serial killer.
They're not like really pushing this whole like the evilest person ever agenda yet.
And so I feel that because of that this one out of the trilogy honestly sets up its own
rules the best because it's literally just a serial killer walking around the streets
of Haddonfield after he escapes and just killing everybody he can in sight.
He doesn't have he doesn't have a motive at all.
Yeah which really just sets up like the terrifying nature of Michael.
But on top of that it's like they don't do anything that's outside of the realm of possibility.
Like obviously maybe for someone of Michael's supposed age things like things are a little
like out there in terms of like the strength that he has.
Yeah this motherfucker is stronger in his 60s than he was in his 20s.
What the hell.
He was able to pick up a I'm not calling Oscar fat but he was a kind of a bigger boy and
he was able to lift him up all the way up to the fence and freaking be able to stick
his his head through the freaking whatever the hell they're called the fence posts or
whatever whatever.
Yeah I mean honestly like that takes some freaking strength.
Yeah like that was nuts.
But yeah it's just one of those those things there.
Like that's the only thing that was like super outside of the realm of possibility for me.
I'm like this dude's like 60.
Okay supposedly like yeah well yeah he's supposed to be like 64 I think.
64 like yeah yeah.
Like come on like that dude was like could you imagine freaking Michael Myers lifting
weights at the asylum.
Like there's no way that he would stay that freaking yoke like just standing there like
he was in.
Like hell no dude.
I can just imagine him like sitting on his bench and just doing like arm curls and all
of a sudden he hears them doing roll call and they're about to get to his name he's
like oh shit I gotta be like who am I I'm supposed to be.
Gets him and just stands at the just stares at the wall right before they come to his
room.
Dude it's one of those things that I feel never gets addressed in like this these larger
than life horror icon movies.
It's like you never see them eating or like having to take a bathroom break or something.
The only time that we've ever seen Michael Myers eat and he was you didn't actually see
me is in the original when they go to the old Myers house and there's a dead dog in
there and Loomis looks at he's just like oh he got hungry.
That is the only time that it's ever addressed what Michael Myers eats.
I'm like okay great he eats dogs great.
Yeah it's one of those like weird things that like I seem to like obsess about.
No I'm not.
I'm like when does this bitch eat dude like he needs protein.
Like he wants to be on like an all meat diet or something for like the amount of muscle
that he supposedly has.
Dude like especially what he does to the guy podcaster how he beats his head in like holy
shit.
Yeah like that's some like Bowflex on the daily type shit.
So I mean logic wise I think they did a pretty good job.
They did.
Like Michael has always kind of been someone that has been I would say above human strength.
Yes so what I've always wondered though because I feel it varies who is stronger Jason Voorhees
or Michael Myers.
That's like always been like a toss up for me.
I think it just depends on the movie.
It does like Jason and Freddy versus Jason depending on which Michael you're going for.
Oh yeah Michael would be fucked.
Yeah but dude that would be an interesting fight.
Yeah I mean we'll probably we'll never forget it.
They're not owned by the same companies.
I mean I'm honestly still amazed that we actually got Freddy versus Jason.
And I'm grateful we did but I don't think we'll ever get a movie equivalent to or we'll
never get a movie like that where again we're two horror icons go head to head.
But at least we got one.
Yeah dude that would be sick if we eventually did get like something.
Yeah I would love a Michael versus Jason.
Freddy would be off the hook.
Sorry to say that's just because I like Chuckie more.
That one's tough.
Like yes I like Chuckie more but I think Freddy would jack him up.
That's fair.
But yeah fair enough.
Anyway getting back on on subject.
Like we said I mean they did a decent job at following their own rules.
Like it obviously once you start diving into the the how's of like how Michael is able
to like maintain his strength and stuff like that's kind of where it's it gets a little
dicey but if you just go into it accepting the fact that Michael has above human strength
and all that he's got a lot of ground to make up.
Yeah like everything like he does is consistent.
Like he's impartial on his kills like there's no rhyme or reason as to why he kills who
he kills it's just oh there's someone like following them kill oh there's someone else
like follow them kill.
Yep that's how Michael should be.
Yeah exactly it's and it's not until he gets like more or less kidnapped and taken to Lori
that he actually it feels like he has like a direction it's like he's a gun and someone
just aimed him at at Lori.
Yeah yeah that's a perfect way to explain it.
So I mean I think they did a really good job like keeping with those rules and the kills
being like super brutal like I don't think there was anything that anyone survived or
didn't survive that made me think that they made me think any other way.
What about Hawkins considering that he does survive the Cinder Kills with him being stabbed
in the neck and then ran over by a SUV.
I forgot about him.
Yeah yeah that actually like reduces my score.
Not by a lot though but yeah that is definitely one of those like oh come on bullshit.
Yeah we get it a lot of people liked him but still ain't no way he coming back from it
and the fact that like um because his legs were run over I don't care what anyone says
so the fact that he can walk just fine and Halloween ends like no problems I'm like I
call bullshit.
Yeah he should at least have a cane.
Honestly I think I might be at the same score I was with acting I think I'm at an 87 there.
You know I'll match it.
Once again Matt we'll match.
Alright next up we got the effects and dude.
These were great.
These were amazing.
I loved how they like tried to stick to as practical as possible with everything.
I think the only one that I can think effect that like might have looked a little weird
and I think the only I can excuse it just because it was part of the one shot and so
the only had one take to get it right is the final lady that he kills when she smashes
her head against I don't know what it is like probably like a book not a bookshelf.
Just a table or whatever and then he stabs her in the neck.
The way that the knife comes out I don't know if it's CGI or whatnot but it just kind of
looks a little weird it doesn't look right but I can excuse it because it's part of a
one shot and everything else in that one shot is just freaking phenomenal.
So is that the one he goes through like the neck and then rips it out.
Yes.
Okay I think that might have been prosthetic and that's probably why it didn't look right.
I think it was just silicone that stretched a little too much.
Okay.
Like if I had to guess.
No that would make sense.
Yeah but it was great.
Absolute brutality with this movie.
So freaking good.
Like the one that's seared into my brain is when Oscar died.
Oh yeah that one jacked me up.
Like that messed me up something awful.
Dude that's fair.
I mean honestly probably my favorite kill would have to be just when you know of course
he returns to hat and he picks up the hammer and he freaking just bushwhacks just kills
that lady in the kitchen and then he picks up the classic kitchen knife and I'm like
yeah you know gotta go for the classic Michael you can't have any other weapon.
Hammer's a good choice but it's not Michael's weapon.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Like I said just the absolute brutality of this movie.
They did not hold back at all.
And I love it so much.
It did wonders for this movie and everything like other than like you said that neck thing
everything else looked fantastic.
Even the head smash looked great.
Yeah like all of it looked really good.
Like I said I think they tried to go as practical as humanly possible and that just added to
the absolute hype.
I do have one more problem with them trying to stick with prosthetics and everything.
Do you remember Vicky's boyfriend?
I forget his name.
When Michael like or when Hawkins finds him like stabbed into the wall.
The original?
No from this one.
Yeah.
Like when he sees so I think that's the first body he sees.
He doesn't see Vicky's yet because he hasn't gone upstairs but it's yeah it's her boyfriend
and like he like Michael stabbed him into the wall and then you can see on his shoulder
you can see like the 103118 tattoo because you know that's when he was going to lose
his virginity.
So that's the tattoo that he got.
Do you remember that scene at all?
Vaguely.
So I want to see do you have your phone on you?
Yes.
Okay I'm going to send you that shot really quickly because I do not think that the not
the prosthetic but the dumb I guess you could say dummy that they made for the character.
I don't think it looks like him at all and just it's it just doesn't look weird.
So let me let me find it really quickly.
Maybe it's just me but so this is how the prosthetic look.
Now do you remember what the actor looked like?
Yes.
Okay.
So here is how it looks.
Is this a screenshot from the movie?
No I'm trying to find that.
There is a screen.
What the hell?
Yeah I was like if this is a screenshot from the movie I'm not recalling this but if this
is like a behind the scenes thing.
It might be behind the scenes actually.
Let me try to find a there has to be a screenshot that someone has done like come on.
It looks pretty freaking close though.
It does.
I don't know maybe I'm just being too much of a stickler.
What's his name?
Is it Cameron?
No it's Dave.
Dave?
Dang how has no one done like a freaking close up of this guy?
What the hell?
Alright I'm looking up a picture of the actor right?
Okay.
Nah that doesn't look like him.
I don't know maybe I mean I'm probably just being too much of a stickler because the angle
that they get it at you don't really see his face.
Like I think this is here I'll send you I think this is the only angle or these are
the two angles that you see in the actual movie.
Let me send these to you.
Okay I mean that doesn't look horrible but you're right there is kind of something off
about his face.
Okay.
I can't quite put my finger on it though.
I'm scrolling through all of his pictures and that one's really tough.
Yeah because you can kind of tell that it's him.
But they hit it so well that like you can't really be mad.
Yeah like you can't really dock it for that.
Yeah I think they did the best they could with that.
So yeah not super upset about that.
I mean it's a great prosthetic.
Oh yeah absolutely.
I think the only issue I have is that it looks like he had a stroke on his on one side.
Yeah it kind of does.
But I mean it looks great.
Yeah so not super upset about that.
In ways that like that doesn't even really affect my score for effects all that much.
Yeah I would say honestly yeah the only one that really affects it is just that neck stab.
Yeah I think realism wise I think they maintained a really good consistent vibe with everything
and I think the prosthetics just helped.
And absolutely.
So I'm in the solid 90s for this one.
I think I'm just trying to debate whether I'm like as high as a 95 or like 93 area.
Like what are you thinking?
I think I agree with you.
I'm definitely in the 90s but I would say I'm at a 93.
I might go a little higher than you.
I think I'm just somewhere in the middle so I'm going to go to 94.
Alright next up we got music.
Yeah I don't care what you say.
It's a 10 for me.
It's John Carpenter coming back.
This soundtrack is perfect.
From the Shape Returns which arguably is my favorite track ever next to the original theme
to the Shape Hunts Allison which I wish was a longer track and a longer scene because
oh my god that track is just freaking amazing.
Yeah this soundtrack is freaking incredible.
So yeah it's a 10 for me.
I can't quite give it a 10.
You son of a bitch.
I know.
I know I suck but I think I'm down at like an 8.
I'm like so close to a 9 though.
Like redonkulously close to a 9.
So whether I give it an 8 or a 9 it's sitting at a 9.
But yeah I mean is the Halloween theme song iconic?
Absolutely.
But when it's like the only thing.
Oh go fuck yourself.
I know.
I'm just kidding.
I know I get it and I feel like this has come up like every time we've talked about a Halloween
movie.
Oh yeah.
Dude I can absolutely I can usually I can absolutely hate a Halloween movie but for
the most part the soundtrack is still killer.
Yeah so I'm sitting at an 8 with that one.
Alright like next up we got costumes.
And dude this mask.
Oh my god it's so beautiful.
It's so beautiful.
This one's honestly super tough for me.
I think I'm also at a 9 with this one.
As iconic of a look as Michael Myers has I just don't think that can hold a candle to
the rest of the extras wearing like average shit.
See for me I would be at a 9 but the fact that and I feel they explain it very well
the fact that Karen wears a freaking Christmas sweater on Halloween just because she hates
the holidays so much because of her mother yeah that brings me to a 10.
Fair enough.
Alright then let's see last up we have our own personal score so I'll take this one first
so we can leave off with your thoughts on this movie.
Over the years I have grown a very interesting relationship with the Halloween franchise.
I did not grow up and was raised on it like Rose was but Rose has slowly been trying to
convert me to be a Michael Myers fanboy and I'm very proud of that.
This movie damn near got me there in ways of just being like total geeking out over
Michael and it's a solid one.
So whether or not this is your first time or your first introduction to the Halloween
franchise or whether you're familiar with some of the previous material because coming
into this I was familiar with a decent portion of the Halloween movies but I wasn't like
I didn't have like a full have the full like view of what Michael has been or like my viewing
experience has been very catered because of Rose and his love of Michael Myers and he
just want like I feel like I got spoiled in that way.
And yeah so this like I said damn near got me on the fanboy bandwagon because this movie
was just incredible with its absolute brutality.
It felt like a classic slasher film.
Like it had the charm and everything of the original but like with the improved pacing
and all of that good stuff and they didn't rely on heavy CGI which I think just helped
this movie excel.
So because of that I am going to be at maybe an 88 for my personal score.
I like it.
So yeah I remember when this like movie first was announced and I'm just like really?
After Halloween Resurrection and the Rob Zombie films they're really going to try to bring
the Halloween franchise back.
I don't know if they're going to be able to do it but then they announced that Jamie Lee
Curtis was actually coming back so I got a little more excited and then after the first
trailer came out I was on board right after that and I loved it.
This was such a great return to form for this franchise.
Were the other two movies that followed great?
No but this was a great stepping stone for what those movies set out to do.
The way that they set up Michael Myers in this movie, Laurie Strode, just everything
is so well established.
When this movie, it had been so long since I had been this pleased with a Halloween film
and I walked out of the movie theater with a smile on my face.
I was so pleased with this.
So yeah honestly I'm going to match my story score and I'm going to go a 90.
Really fair enough.
It's kind of funny that you also matched your story score.
Yeah right.
Alrighty well that concludes this week's breakdown.
So going through each category we have story starting off at a very strong 89%.
The writing dropped down a little bit sitting at an 83.5%.
Acting shot back up sitting at a solid 87%.
The logic for this movie also sitting at a solid 87%.
The effects bumped up an absolute ton sitting at a 93.5%.
Logic is sitting at a 9 because I'm a basic bitch.
Costumes is also sitting there because I was just not as impressed as Rose was.
And then the personal score came back down just a hair sitting at a solid 89%.
So with that the final Albrose letter grade for Halloween 2018 has come to a B+.
Okay that's not bad.
Yeah it is a very strong B+.
It is sitting at an 88.16% and our cutoff is 90.
For those of you that are curious.
Yeah so it.
Hell yeah dude.
Oh it scored really freaking high.
Let's see just for shits and giggles what our official ranking for Halloween has come
to.
Maybe hold on technical issues.
Alright.
What do you.
So if you had to take a shot in the dark what do you think the ranking is for these Halloween
movies.
Okay so.
Like all four of them.
So this is including 1978.
So I think the original is at the same.
Same score B+.
I can't remember if Halloween ends was at a B or a B-.
Is one of those.
And then Halloween ends was at a C+.
So if I had to guess ranking wise just because I feel that you liked this one a little bit
more than the original Halloween.
I would say number one was Halloween 2018.
Number two was the original Halloween 1978.
Number three Halloween kills and number four Halloween ends.
Dude you freaking nailed it.
Yes.
Dude that was impressive.
Thank you.
So is Halloween kills a B or a B-.
Halloween kills was a B. Okay.
So just comparing the Halloween movies not compared to like everything else.
So Halloween 2018 is sitting at an 88.16%.
Okay.
Halloween 1978 is 1% lower than that sitting at an 87.06%.
Halloween kills is 2% lower than that sitting at an 85.68%.
And then Halloween ends is sitting at a 79.83%.
Alright.
Yeah so both Halloweens are at a B+.
Halloween kills is at a B and then Halloween ends is a C+.
I like it.
Dude that was beyond impressive.
Thank you.
Oh man.
So anyway comparing this movie to the others that we have scored.
Let me find it real quick.
So Halloween 2018 like I said is sitting at an 88.16%.
That puts it above the prom which is at an 88.12%.
I'm cool with that.
It is also sitting above Raya and the Last Dragon which is at an 87.81%.
It is above Parasite which is at an 87.59%.
It is above How to Train Your Dragon which is at an 87.5% as well as The Black Phone
which is also at an 87.5%.
And then it is above Freaky which is at an 87.37%.
Alright not bad.
Yeah and then going the opposite direction it is below The Invisible Man which was at
an 88.23%.
That's fair.
It is below How to Train Your Dragon 2 which is at an 88.37%.
It is also below Bros which is at an 88.56%.
And then it is below Top Gun Maverick and Luka which are both at an 88.62%.
Alright not bad.
Yeah so it again like all of our B plus movies the margins are ridiculously tight.
Like it's damn near ridiculous how close these movies are to each other.
Like honestly the difference between Halloween 2018 and our top B plus movie is just barely
over 1%.
Oh shit really?
Yeah.
So our top B plus movie is Rocketman.
Oh okay.
And that's sitting at an 89.91%.
So yeah it's like the difference between that and Halloween 2018 is like 1.7%.
Wow damn that's insane dude.
Yeah our margins are tight.
But yeah that is where Halloween 2018 is sitting.
Hell yeah.
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You guys can look forward to us breaking down Black Adam which came out the week that we're
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Yes.
Right?
I think so.
It actually came out like the week before.
Right?
Yeah.
You know what?
I can't remember now.
Well, anyway, it's out now so go check it out so we don't spoil it for you next week.
And until then, everyone that is listening to this today have a very happy Halloween
and we will catch you guys next week.
Deuces!
So... wow, I'm not even going to try either.