What's up bros, I'm Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
We are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out
there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the All Bros.
This week we are joined by our reigning champion when it comes to being on this podcast so
many times.
Sorry Vic.
DJ from the untrained eye.
I mean listen, Ben seems to be coming for the throne a little bit so I had to make my
quarterly appearance just to make sure that everybody remembers exactly what time it is.
I know, it feels like Vic completely fell out of the race there.
Listen, Vic is the dark horse in this race and he will be back.
Okay, I can feel it in my bones.
As soon as I let my guard down you're gonna be like, watch this DJ, and push that little
button and then Vic's gonna show up just like he did the last time.
I am still extremely proud of that.
That was, I mean, chef's kiss.
I'm honestly amazed he didn't have to be on this one.
I know, I tried.
All I'm hearing is that I was second string and I don't like it.
I don't like it at all.
I never know.
I didn't even know that you were gonna be on this episode.
Caleb, I texted him and I'm like, hey would it be okay if we recorded closer to seven
because I'm running late work.
He's like, oh yeah, shit, I forgot to tell you DJ is gonna be on but I'm sure it's okay.
And that's it, we're recording exactly at seven o'clock.
So perfect timing.
Love you too man.
Yeah, exactly.
Love you too man.
Anyway this week on the podcast with 4k spotlight and through the wall we got two forms of bros
news.
So that's exciting.
Two different bros but you know.
And then after that we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be
our breakdown of Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
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That ad read was over the top.
That was a great episode.
Dude I love having Ben on.
Especially to talk about old movies like that and he keeps like he'll send me on TikTok
just random videos like hey we need to talk about this one.
I'm like let's do it.
Dude I'm telling you right now the peanut butter solution is on Tubi.
If you guys want to watch maybe the worst movie you'll ever see.
We can talk about it.
Is it worse than Food Fight?
That's the question.
Yes.
Wow.
Okay.
That's an old statement.
Think of a movie that's worse than that.
We can come up with a movie from our respective homes right now that's better than the peanut
butter solution.
Have you seen Food Fight?
No.
But I've listened to at least a minimum of three podcasts including yours about how terrible
this movie is.
Food Fight that is.
But listen I would be willing to put it up against Food Fight as being the worst movie
you guys ever saw.
So whenever you're ready to see possibly a worse movie than Food Fight I am down to clown
for that one.
That is a bold statement and we will be holding you to that.
Yeah.
I guess we will.
You will regret it.
Alright so this week for 4K Spotlight my personal favorite movie of the year is coming out on
Blu-ray.
Bros. which I actually already bought this movie digitally like literally the day it
was announced because I think like it was in like theaters for like a month maybe not
even that but it just wasn't doing that well so like Universal's just like okay you know
what let's put it to POV see if it does any better with people just running it or the
only way that you could buy it was actually on Voodoo so I think I paid 30 bucks to buy
it but you know I'll pay whatever to support this movie so you know what I'll be buying
it on Blu-ray as well.
Why not?
For how much I love this movie I'm happy to support it.
Yeah I got the email and everything that you bought it and Braille got a notification too
like she was checking my phone because she just heard that I had enough notification
while I was in the shower she's like hey did you buy Bros?
I'm like what?
No?
And I'm like I think that was Rose.
I promise I didn't charge her card it was mine.
No dude I fricking double check that shit whenever I buy a movie on your Voodoo don't
worry.
I still need to go through do you still have access to that DJ?
I do and we just watched Spiral two days ago I think.
Nice.
What did you think of that?
No thank you.
Are you a big Saw fan?
I am we Beth and I collectively are very big Saw fans.
We bought movies separately there was like some DVD like get all seven or ten or whatever
movies collection we bought that like I we've seen them all too many times.
Saw 1 is the classic of classic.
There is no more classic horror movie than Saw.
Whoa whoa whoa whoa.
Okay okay.
You're gonna argue with that Rose?
Yeah classic horror films Halloween?
Okay well.
That's not the same thing.
Not the same thing.
Yeah but he said classic horror films he said classic of classic horror films.
That rank that puts Halloween into the mix.
And I'm sorry.
Nothing.
Caleb?
So what I will say about that.
Don't be talking shit on Halloween.
I'm not talking shit.
If you're going to the upper echelon of classic horror movies your Michael Myers's and your
Jason's and your Freddy's's they held that three man crown for a long time and I think
Jigsaw slid his way up in there with at least that first Saw movie because that was I mean
spoiler alert for the end of Saw but I was like I pulled my own face off when he stood
up at the end I was like what is this movie?
What is this movie?
Like it's so good.
It's so good.
And Spiral was something alright.
It is definitely a huge departure for the franchise.
Like where'd it come from?
Okay.
Small divergence.
What I liked about Spiral is it was like it seemed like an 80s movie made today because
it was very like Captain I can't believe you're talking to me like this.
They're like get it together man.
You got to get whatever and stop acting like a rat or whatever the whole thing was.
And just a lot of like over the top yelling about doing cop stuff.
And I'm like alright we got it.
You're the only good cop left.
It wasn't great but I mean listen I'm down for any if we get another one I'm down for
another Spiral.
I would watch it.
They're already doing it.
They're already fast-tracking another Saw movie.
That is nothing like Spiral.
It's actually like connected to the original films.
Listen I'm on down for any more any any way they want to like bring What's His Face?
Tobin Bell back in or just do any more legit Saw stuff.
I'm for it.
I'm for it all.
Did you ever listen to our episode about that one?
About Saw?
About Spiral?
I want to say yes but I don't know honestly now that I've just just watched it I'll probably
go back and listen to it.
Now I'll try not to spoil the rating we gave it but I just basing it off of what you're
saying right now you're not gonna like it.
I would have I would have had some notes.
Listen I will say this my main note that I would give is that this is the the way this
was such a huge departure I think is that like all the traps there was no there was
no like I know Digsaw didn't really give time to think but like there was literally
no time to think.
They're like this is your game there's a train coming oh god my tongue bang this is your
game your fingers gonna get pulled off you got freaking electrocuted by water anyway
this is your game you get waxed or your spine cut in half.
Eh you had both happen it's like hey let it breathe have the people if you're gonna torture
them torture them if you're gonna kill them just shoot them.
That actually was a big concern or like a big talking point on like when we were discussing
the movie like it just felt very quick and didn't give you a whole lot of at least I
think I'm not gonna say anything because if you go back and listen and I didn't say any
of that shit I'll ask you this what what grade would you have given this movie?
So as just a movie if I had never seen any of the other saws and just was like spiral
what is this?
It's hard to say I because on one hand it wasn't a good movie but it was like it was
definitely fell into the realm of like not good good movies like it was like cheesy but
like you know what I'll I'll make a decision I give it a 72 that's what I would give it.
A 72?
Yeah.
You're probably not gonna like that episode.
Hey listen listen if your guys' TikTok has taught me anything you guys have very controversial
opinions.
Actually I'm curious to see what our like personal scores was.
Okay actually our personal scores weren't far off from what you said but there are definitely
some things that brought the the movie up for us so we'll see if you agree.
I'll tell you this this is the last thing I'll say I wish Chris Rock this had been a
catalyst for him to do more like serious stuff because I I liked seeing it I think he was
way over the top in that movie but I like the idea of him playing a grizzled anything
cop mercenary whatever like I would like to see him do something more like that.
That's fair.
Yeah fair enough.
Say yeah bros comes out tomorrow so.
Completely off subject there.
They high five with their wieners.
I haven't seen the movie I figure that's what it's all about.
If you want to check it out man it's on CableZoodoo.
I did listen to your guys' breakdown of it.
So yeah I liked it a lot.
There was one comment on I think I forget which movie but some yeah someone commented
like oh you gave this movie this great but yet you gave bros which is trying to be so
political a freaking full price ticket that is such bullshit.
Like A you know this is our opinion right and B who doesn't like people like romcoms
like they're not the biggest they're not the biggest money getters but who Caleb what
is your go to sick guy movie.
I'm a sick boy what do I do.
I watch the notebook the notebook.
So all I'm saying is I guess it's not a romcom but there is probably one funny part in it.
There is probably they have a few funny parts in it.
It's a good movie guys.
I'm not mocking you.
I wept like a baby even though it's ridiculous who dies at the exact same moment from holding
hands.
They do.
It's a sweet moment.
Spoiler alert I haven't seen the movie what the hell guys.
If you haven't seen it you're probably not going to watch it at this point.
Don't even Rose.
You know what jokes on you I was going to watch it yesterday wow.
Well when this comes out it will have been yesterday.
There you go.
Yeah what.
Do the time do the time.
Please don't ask me to do math.
7 p.m. and we're a little loopy.
Yeah.
Poor Caleb it's a freaking 10 p.m. there basically.
Yeah it is for both of us.
Yeah.
Oh yeah I forgot yeah you both are two hours ahead my bad.
Yeah.
Anyway so you did you had a point about bringing up a notebook.
Me.
Yeah.
Yeah I'm sure I did.
I don't know what it is anymore but.
At least he's honest.
Oh yeah I was saying everybody loves I was I was agreeing with with Rose I'm saying everybody
loves a good rom-com.
They're not they're not necessarily the highest money getters but they stay be in the classics.
So they let everybody just relax.
Do you guys watch Billy on the street at all.
I see it on Tick Tock and I that is literally the only place I really knew him from before
that movie came out and he's the best for that.
I'll tell you that seriously the bet one of the best promotions for this movie was when
he was going around and like asking people if they have their tickets to Bros.
And the best one is when he walks up to one lady and he's just like ma'am did you know
that before they had one gay rom-com gay rom-com they had three movies about Groot and she's
just like oh my god that's insane saying I am Groot he's like well I am gay and I finally
have a movie about me.
And then freaking she's like oh is it going to be on streaming he's just like no you have
to get off off your ass and do something called leaving the house.
It's how we're having this conversation just continue on to the box office.
Exactly it's just right around the corner come on.
Yeah I've never watched Billy on the street but I every anytime his videos pop up on Tick
Tock I'll sit through him because he's he's hilarious.
He really is.
I love him.
Alright well moving on to through the wall it is our birthday the all Bros. yesterday
yesterday as of the day we're recording.
Oh shit I feel like I know I we completely spaced it last week.
Damn it.
I didn't I didn't get Kale the cake nothing.
I know five years of the podcast.
Holy shit I can't believe we've been doing this for five years holy shit.
Wow.
Yeah we were talking about that before we started recording like our the untrained I
started what do we say like seven months after you guys.
So we're four years old but it's like wow like it doesn't seem like it's been that long
at all.
Yeah it's it's wild how quick this time is flown by.
Like it's been awesome like love podcasting like it there's like our numbers are absolute
trash if I even try to pay attention to them.
But so I think everyone knows we do this for the love of doing it.
It's our excuse to get together once a week.
So yeah.
Yeah it's I mean congratulations guys.
You've earned it.
I don't know I think that's the wrong sentiment.
You've you've worked for all of you guys.
All I got you was my awkward responses.
Sorry.
That's all we want.
We appreciate it.
Yeah totally fine.
So yeah that's why I put it in the through the wall because we forgot about it last week.
Oops.
Well.
Well if you guys if you guys didn't send us you know birthday cards it's OK.
We forgot to.
We'll forgive you this year.
Yeah.
Next year is a different story though.
Yep.
Yeah.
Right.
What is the official birthday.
November what 11th November 14th.
So mark your calendars dorks.
Yeah.
Dude should we imagine if we just opened a PO box just for that reason to see if we just
got a card.
Just to see if we actually got a birthday card next year.
That would be hilarious.
I'm not opposed to it.
I'm not.
I do that.
We have a PO box and we had one listener send us a like happy one year or it was either for
one year or for 100 episodes one of the two and not going to lie like PO boxes are not
worth it but they are for that one birthday card.
That's awesome.
It's so expensive to get no mail.
How much were you spending a month.
I don't want to talk about it.
You have to buy it six months at a time.
I'm just saying you could have a PO box or you could get a moderately priced John Wayne
Gacy memorabilia item.
Exactly.
DJ gets it.
Fair enough.
So there you go.
I was not expecting him to throw in John Wayne Gacy so it really took me a minute.
I missed the Gacy Gazette.
What can I say?
I'm sorry.
I still don't have anything really to talk about.
I know.
I listened.
I heard you say you were going to start taking it slow but that doesn't mean I don't miss
it still.
Thank you for listening.
I appreciate it.
Hopefully if what Caleb's talking about with his job comes to fruition I can actually have
him on an episode of the Gacy Gazette because that would be amazing.
Have me?
Yeah.
Oh.
Okay.
Are you getting a job as a clown Caleb?
No.
Okay.
No.
So I brought this up with you a little earlier.
We didn't get a chance to talk about it.
So the museum that me and Rose went to, the Grave Face Museum, they just have a bunch
of weird shit.
They have sideshow attractions, stuff from a circuit.
Bunch of that.
But then in their big room they have a, it's their serial killer room.
So they have a bunch of stuff up there.
So we went to go visit and Rose started chatting with the owner's wife and she was just talking
about all these different projects that we had.
Their stuff is just, it's very low budget.
All of their stuff is, or the little plaques that you read are all on laminated paper and
like stapled to the wall.
So I brought up to Rose, I was just like, dude, I would love to hit them up and offer
to make frames for all this stuff.
So it just has a little bit more feel to that.
Never did.
Never hit them up or anything.
But Rose was chatting with the owner about some of the gate C memorabilia that he was
buying and whether it was authentic or not, which it ended up not being.
One item wasn't, but at least the other one that I bought was, thank God.
But I was on our Instagram, I was posting one of the TikToks and I saw on the, like
that museum, they had a post calling out and being like, hey, if you know a woodworker
or carpenter of some kind, like hit us up or like have them get in touch with us.
Like we're needing a project, like some projects done.
And so I messaged them cause that's something I like to do in my free time.
And I'm like, might as well get paid for it.
So I hit them up and they wanted me to come over and like meet with them.
So I went and like chatted, they want like this new entry way.
So they have a record store too and they have some like weird stuff in there, but they have
like this back area and they want it to be like a tiki house.
And it's basically all done.
But the guy that they usually work with is, has been working on movies a lot lately.
And so he's like kind of outside of their pay range now.
And so they're like, yeah, we need, we need a new person to work on this.
And I was just like, like, hell I'm down.
Like as long as like, if you treat me fair, like with pay and everything, like I'll treat
you guys fair.
I won't like, like overcharge or, or nothing.
Like just kind of like one of those, those deals.
And so they're like, all right, cool.
Like, let's see how this project goes first.
But, and then like, if, if we like working with you and your work, like we'll continue
on with this and like, we have a bunch of other projects down the line.
And, and I'm like, sweet.
So like starting off with this like Tiki entryway project, which should be cake.
And then like next they want to do this, this catacomb hallway in there, like the museum
that we went to.
And so they're like, can you build like a, like a hallway?
Like, and then like make it look like a catacomb.
And I'm like, probably.
And they're like, all right, fantastic.
So they're going to take all that and I'll like, all cause they have like a bunch of
like satanic looking stuff in the, the serial killer room.
So they're going to take all of that, move that down into the catacomb hallway.
They've already taken all their, what's his name?
Not at Helms.
That's
Was it a game?
Yep.
That one
Helms from the hangover, right?
Yeah.
I mean,
Totally the same people.
Totally.
So they just moved all of his stuff into its own little exhibit.
And so they're saying like, once like they clear out like all that stuff and like have
the catacomb room, they're going to move the rest of the serial killer stuff to its own
little area.
And then they're going to turn that their current serial killer space into just a full
on John Wayne Gacy room.
And they're like, and we have like big plans for that.
And I'm like, okay, what do you want to do with that?
And they're like, we want to make that space look like you're the, in the inside of John
Wayne Gacy's house.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
And I'm like, so I'm like, you want, eventually you want me to build John Wayne Gacy's home?
And they're like, yes.
And I'm like, I am in.
Because as we all know, that would be Rose's Disneyland.
Yeah.
But they want it to be like, they want it like they have some like crazy plans for that
because of what they want it to do.
They want it to look like his house, but they want the entryway to be like you're going
through a crawl space.
Good Lord.
So these people are, yeah, you need to make one of those, one of those floors that like
pulsates, you know, like the, the souls of all those dead children, like, because by
the way, what you are building, what they are not telling you is you are building a
haunted house.
That's what you're doing.
Legit.
And like they have a bunch of other projects and they're like, yeah, we just need some
shelves and anytime we get like new storage, like, cause they like to go.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
You just went from where you go thing.
John Wayne games.
We also need like some shelves and stuff, you know, a doorstop.
Yeah.
Like it's just crazy projects and like they've been working with their current truck contractor
for like 10 years.
And so they're just like, yeah, he's been our go to guy, like fixing anything.
And so I'm like, okay, cool.
Like, I don't know how I'm going to do some of this bigger stuff.
Like cause I'm working out of a dinky little shed and they're like, oh, you can use our
warehouse space.
And I'm like, sick.
Sounds good to me.
Yeah.
So that's, that's kind of what the projects turn into.
And I'm like, this sounds awesome.
And I told Rose, he's going to have to take a leave of absence or something when I'm working
on the John Wayne Gacy house.
Damn right.
Yeah.
You gotta go and be as like a helper for the day or something like, Oh, get your scraps
out.
What does this guy do?
Like, Hey, listen, he's integral.
Okay.
To the process.
He's going to be touching a lot of your effects, but don't pay attention to that.
He needs to do that.
Oh, but it should be fricking badass.
If it all works out, if they want me to be kidding, I'm kidding.
You're not kidding.
I would not do that.
You're not even kind of kidding.
He's got the face paint on right now.
Listen, you guys can't see he's got the face paint on right now.
Like he's ready.
I mean, I think I'd probably have to put on a couple more pounds, but you know, I got
the height.
Throw a pillow in there.
You'll be fine.
There we go.
I'm set.
Yeah.
But that's, that's the, uh, the big project that they're wanting me to do for right now.
That's awesome.
Dude, I'm so excited for you.
This is going to be, you know, it should be pretty bad at like, and hopefully they don't
listen to this, but they, they're planning on like certain projects taking like, like
they're thinking this entryway is going to take like at least a month.
I'm like, I could probably get it done next week.
Wait, did they tell you to keep all this stuff secret?
Uh, no.
Okay.
No, I like, they just, they just have, they just have like, uh, a deadline or a timeline
in their head.
Cause they're like, they're thinking the, the catacomb hallway is going to take like
a few months to do.
They're just like, we just need it done by like Valentine's day.
And I'm like, it's just a basic hallway.
Like do I get an early finish bonus?
Yeah.
Kind of what I'm thinking too.
Fair enough.
But yeah.
Anyway, that's my cool news of the week.
And that's been the Casey Gazette.
Anyway, we'll see you guys next time.
We snuck in a secret episode.
There you go.
Yeah, we sure did.
Only true Gazette fans will know what episode five really was.
Or those people that listen to our show and not Gacy Gazette are like, what the shit is
the Gacy Gazette?
Just imagine I, I label, we label the next episode as episode six.
It's like, where the fuck did episode five go?
We're doing that.
We're doing, I don't care if you call it episode five.
I'm, I'm titling it as episode six.
I can't even remember if I'm on episode four or five.
Is it five?
Yeah, you're on five.
I am on five.
Okay, cool.
Oh shit, dude.
That's going to be so funny.
Okay.
Anyway, what do you say we move on to our headliner?
Say let's do it.
All right.
So for this week's headliner, we'll be breaking down Black Panther Wakanda forever.
So Caleb, do you want to let everybody know how we break down films on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final All Bros and Untrained Eye letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers will get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give
us our final score for this movie to compare it to other movies of a similar score and
then a percentage just so we can have an official ranking.
And something that's fun about this one in particular, we have this one also linked to
our official MCU ranking, which we haven't completed yet, but it's mostly like phase
one, phase two movies that we haven't scored.
Yeah, we're really bad at that.
Yeah.
Like one of these days.
Wait, have you guys done Iron Man yet?
No.
Oh, Beth and I were just talking about rewatching that.
So just saying, wink nod.
I mean, hell, if you want to break it down, sure.
I mean, listen, after this, after Wakanda Forever, like it's almost seems like going back and
revisiting Iron Man is a little necessary.
Fair enough.
That's fair.
Yeah, that is absolutely fair.
But yeah, like we have.
Let's see.
Like there's been a couple that are just kind of like out.
We did.
We have an episode about Avengers and we have one for Age of Ultron, but we started doing
like consistent breakdowns on these movies, starting with Spider-Man Homecoming.
So we have everything from Spider-Man Homecoming on.
OK.
Yeah.
So we still have like a few.
So most of it's most of phase one, not including.
Avengers and then most of phase two.
Or was it was this is we're in phase four right now, right?
We're in phase.
Yes.
Well, technically we're in phase five because this was the final movie in phase four.
Yeah.
OK.
So, yeah, we still got some movies in phase two.
So it's like Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Strange, Civil War, Ant-Man, the first Guardians
of the Galaxy, Winter Soldier, Dark World, Iron Man 3, and then the first Avenger, Thor,
Iron Man 2, Hulk, Iron Man.
Those are the ones you have done or have not done?
Those are the ones we have not done.
Oh, buddy.
We got a few.
I don't know if we're going to do like full episodes about it.
I think that's just something we might do behind the scenes.
I mean, you could mash up like all the Iron Men into one or like all the Thors into one.
Well, you guys are going to do it in Thunder, right?
Yeah.
Like we have Thor and Dark World that we would need to do because we've already done Ragnarok.
We actually like Ragnarok was our first breakdown.
That's true.
It was.
Yeah.
And then we did like all of the...
That's a good one to start with.
That was a great movie.
Yeah.
So I heard the podcast that inspired me to like and Rose to kind of do one was that like
they were talking about Thor Ragnarok and we were like pushing really, really hard to
like get everything like ready and to record a podcast episode about Thor Ragnarok.
And so we did that and then there's like Justice League after that and then all the way here.
You can track our progress.
Didn't we...
I think after Justice League, didn't we try to do like a two movie episode, but like it
did not...
Yeah, that was horrible.
I think it wasn't like Coco and the Last Jedi.
Yeah.
See, you gotta do like, if you're going to do off ones like that, you gotta do versus,
you know what I mean?
That Coco versus the Last Jedi.
Like, oh my God, they like the Last Jedi better.
Absolutely not.
That was an interesting episode and a complete and utter shit show.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, listen, you need those.
You need those and you need the early ones to remember.
You gotta remember.
I recently listened to like the first two or three episodes of Dragging the Table, my
solo podcast.
Don't do it.
It's the worst.
But I leave it up there to remember.
I think it's easier to hear other people be cringy rather than yourself.
Because when it's yourself being cringy, you just kind of want to walk into traffic.
I start folding into myself until I just disappear and I'm just like, all right, I'll catch you
guys in the next life.
I'm done with this one.
Yeah.
Dude, every time I feel like I need a humbler, I listen to the first like five seconds of
our first episode and I'm like, OK, there we go.
So the podcast that I do with my wife and co-host, Bethany, love my life.
If you listen to, I don't know, the first 20 episodes of that, I'm like doing an introduction
to a podcast and it's literally I'm like, guys, you're about to hear a podcast.
We talked about some stuff.
We laughed about some stuff.
It was a great episode that was laughing and talking.
I don't know if I mentioned that, but, you know, we love doing the show.
It's a great show.
Anyway, here's the show that happened like 20 times.
Because I was like, people aren't going to understand unless I tell them.
So here you go.
Oh, man.
I remember our early ones.
I went through like for.
A lot longer than I probably should have.
I was cutting out all the arms and like I I got so good at picking those out like I
could like.
I could like scroll to a random episode, be like, that's an that's an and that's an.
By the way, that is what no one understands about podcasting is when you're in that phase
of over editing everything and you do something that is just magic.
You're like, look at how I joined all this together.
I'm a wizard and no one notices.
No one notices and you've done literal magic and no one will ever know.
Yeah, it's funny because it's like it's like one of those deleted scenes or just like stuff
that like people have shot.
No one will ever see that stuff that that like the extra stuff you shot because it's
not in the movie.
Yeah, listen, my version of that was what we used to record on was like sometimes it
would just not.
It would just be like, we're good because we would just record.
I think we're recording straight into audacity and it was just not.
It would just drop.
And so I would perform actual literal miracles and I would join things together in ways that
were impossible.
And I was like, yes.
And people were just like, the episode was pretty good, like pretty good.
I'm a surgeon.
We had that issue with audacity a lot.
Sorry, happy birthday guys.
Yeah, funny enough, our original mics right there on our headphones.
Yeah, I mean, we all got to start somewhere, you know?
Yeah, it's true.
Five years strong.
So anyway, getting back into what we came here for talking about.
Really, we came here for this part.
This is the part we've all been waiting for.
Rose, take it away.
No, I'm sorry.
I jumped the gun.
Absolutely.
It is our favorite segment reading with Rose time and heads up, if you have not seen Wakanda
Forever, definitely go check it out first.
I don't know what the hell you're doing here.
Go see this movie and then come back and hear Rose try to pronounce some of these names.
It's going to be amazing.
Y'all are mean.
I'm going to be reading along with you, Rose.
Okay.
Yeah.
Didn't Beth want to be present for this part?
She's here in spirit.
Miss you.
I got to put on some chapstick because I feel I'm going to probably be licking my lips for
how bad I'm going to have this.
Yeah, please take a sip of water.
Do your me, me, me, me, me, me, me.
Blow on the little.
All right, here we go.
T'Challa, king of Wakanda, is suffering from an illness which his sister Shuri believes
can be cured by the heart shaped herb.
Shuri attempts to synthetically recreate the herb after it was destroyed by Killmonger,
but fails to do so before he succumbs.
One year later, Wakanda is under pressure from other nations to share their vibranium
with some parties attempting to seal it by force.
Queen Ramonda implores Shuri to continue her research on the heart shaped herb, hoping
to create a new Black Panther that will defend Wakanda, but she refuses due to her belief
that the Black Panther is a figure of the past.
In the Atlantic Ocean, the CIA and US Navy SEALs utilize a vibranium detecting machine
to locate a potential vibranium deposit underwater.
The expedition is attacked and killed by a group of blue skinned water breathing superhumans
led by Namor, with the CIA believing Wakanda to be responsible.
Namor confronts Ramonda and Shuri, easily bypassing Wakanda's advanced security.
Blaming Wakanda for their vibranium race, he gives them a ultimatum.
Deliver him the scientists responsible for the vibranium detecting machine, or he will
attack Wakanda.
Shuri and Okoye learn from CIA agent Everett Ross that the scientist in question is MIT
student Rory Williams.
And they arrive at the university to confront her.
The group is pursued by the FBI and then by Namor's warriors who defeat Okoye before taking
Shuri and Williams underwater to meet Namor.
Angered by Okoye's failure to protect Shuri, Ramonda strips her of her title as General
of the Dora Milange and seeks out Nakia, who has been living in Haiti since the blip.
Namor shows Shuri his vibranium rich underwater kingdom of Talocan.
Talocan.
Thank you.
I'm sure you're loving this right DJ.
Oh for sure.
It's Rory Williams by the way.
Damn it!
Son of a bitch!
Yeah I caught that one too.
I just didn't.
But listen, you got the Dora Milange.
I've heard these words and never seen them and you have actually been killing it hard
because I was like, the Dora Milange?
What?
Oh shit.
Which he has protected for centuries from discovery by the world.
Bitter at the surface world for enslaving the Maya, Namor proposes an alliance with
Wakanda against the rest of the world but threatens to destroy Wakanda first if they
refuse.
Nakia helps Shuri and Williams escape and Namor retaliates with an attack against Wakanda
during which Ramonda drowns saving Williams.
Namor vows to return in a week with his full army and the citizens of Wakanda relocate
to the Jabari mountains for their safety.
Yes!
Meanwhile, Ross is arrested by his ex-wife and CIA director Valentina Allegra de Fontaine
for secretly exchanging classified intelligence with the Wakandans.
Hold up, hold up, hold up.
Did they address that that was his ex-wife?
Yes.
They did.
Yep, they did.
When?
When he was in the car with her because he was saying that his wife called and she was
like, uh, something about like, either she mentioned something about like, uh, you're
gonna tell her you're with your ex or something like that.
Like, yeah, it was...
And I think there's also a part like when the first part on the bridge when she's just
like, oh hey, can I, can you give me a ride to the, so it's such and such and he's like,
yeah, but that's a nine hour drive and she's like, yeah, but I got a lot I want to apologize
about our wed, about our marriage or something.
Dude, I completely skipped over that in my brain.
Oh, shit, really?
I must have missed that because I, that was, okay, continue.
That was news to me.
Using a remnant of the herb that gave Namor's people their superhuman abilities, Shuri reconstructs
the heart shaped herb and ingests it gaining superhuman abilities and meeting Killmonger
in the ancestral plane who urges her to seek revenge.
Shuri dons a new Black Panther suit and is accepted by the other Wakandan tribes as the
Black Panther.
Despite M'Baku's urges for peace, Shuri is determined to exact, exact vengeance on Namor
for Ramonda's death and orders an immediate counterattack on Tal...
I'm gonna...
Telokhan.
I'm gonna get it right.
Actually I think that's like the last time that they say it in this, so.
Yeah.
Preparing for battle with, with a...
Ew!
I don't know how to say it.
Is it, Caleb do you know how to say that name?
Is it Aeo?
Aeo.
Aeo?
It's just Aeo?
Okay.
Assuming position of general of the Dora Milage, Shuri bestows, I don't know why I said it
like that, Shuri bestows the Midnight Angel armor upon Okoye who in turn recruits Dora,
Dora member Anika to join her.
I hope I said that right too.
Or is it Inneka?
Yep.
It is Anika?
Yep.
Yes.
Williams creates an Iron Man-esque powered exoskeleton to aid the Wakandans.
The Wakandans lure Namor and his warriors to the surface as a battle ensues.
Shuri traps Namor in a fighter aircraft intending to dry him out and weaken him.
The pair crashes on a desert beach and fight.
Shuri gains the upper hand but realizes the similarities between their paths and implores
Namor to yield, offering him a peaceful alliance.
Namor accepts and the battle ends.
Namor's cousin, Namora, is upset at Namor's surrender but Namor reassures her that their
new alliance will allow them to conquer the surface world one day.
Williams returns to MIT leaving her suit behind while Okoye rescues Ross from captivity.
In Shuri's absence, M'Baku steps forward to challenge for the throne.
Shuri visits Nakia in Haiti where she burns her funeral ceremonial robe in accordance
with Ramonda's wishes, allowing herself to finally grieve T'Challa.
In a mid-credit scene, Shuri learns that Nakia and T'Challa had a son named T'Challa, who
Nakia has been raising in secret far from the pressure of the throne.
Toussaint reveals his Wakandan name, which is T'Challa.
So what'd you guys think?
Dude, this movie was so freaking good.
Yeah, it was amazing.
It's a great sequel.
I agree.
Yeah.
I don't know how to...yeah.
Well that's been this episode.
Yeah.
This has been the episode of Three Guys Agree.
Mm-hmm.
It's over.
Dude.
I...I'll be real.
When they announced that Namor was going to be the antagonist in this movie, I did not
know how to initially feel about it because Namor in the comics is such a bland character
and kind of just a douchebag.
This guy was kind of a douchebag.
Yeah, like he had it, but at least he had some substance behind him, I feel, too.
All right, wait, wait, wait.
Before we get into that, I want to start at the beginning and say that two things.
One, the celebration of T'Chaka, and basically of Chadwick Boseman, his death was...it was
crazy.
I don't know that there was a better way, because I've talked to a bunch of people about
this, of like, was there...do you guys think there was any better way to handle an off-screen
death in the way that they did with him?
Nope.
This was the only way.
It was perfect.
I honestly thought he was already going to be dead.
I didn't expect them to actually have this whole...open up the whole storyline of him
literally being on his deathbed with an illness and Shuri trying to save him.
I was not expecting that.
I was afraid that they were going to do something where they quote unquote showed him.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
But when they didn't, and just following Shuri was the perfect move.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I agree with all of that.
I liked how they did his...you know, were doing his funeral, showing it as a celebration
of life, kinda.
And I gotta tell you, the part that I feel like got everyone was the tribute opening
where it was instead of all the different Marvel characters when it's showing, you know,
the Marvel Studios coming up, it's all Chadwick Boseman and it was just silent.
That was like, oh my god.
Dude, I wish mine was silent in my movie theater.
I don't know if like a couple in front of me was like laughing at something else, but
they were actually giggling during that part.
Oh, I would have...
Are you freaking kidding me?
I would have dunked their head in a tub of popcorn.
Dude, I should have.
Like such disrespect.
I don't care what you're laughing at.
I hope it's not this, but come on.
Two things.
Two things, one, there was someone with like the creakiest chair during that part that
was just like, meeeeeeeeeeee.
Meeeeeeee.
To the point to where it was like, for a minute I was like, is that supposed to be happening?
Is this part of what's going on?
But I don't know about your guys theaters, ours actually did have giant tubs that like
said Wakanda forever on it and we totally got one.
Pretty sure Cinemark Adam, I did not get one.
I went to AMC, but yeah, I didn't get one.
Dude, I feel so spoiled when it comes to like these new releases because I can, because
of my schedule, I can go and see a brand, like a new movie on Thursday at three o'clock,
right before everyone gets off work.
Like they even offer discounts for new movies.
Like my AMC offered a 25% discount because no one was showing up to this viewing.
Like I walked in, there was maybe 10, maybe 15 people in the theater and it was like a
big ass freaking theater too.
And that's awesome.
Yeah.
So anyone who made a noise got like, like no one made a noise during the intro, luckily,
but anyone who made a noise throughout the movie got like an instant death glare.
Good.
That was, that was the cool thing too.
I thought is like basically the first, the first bit of the movie and the last bit of
the movie I felt like was dedicated to him, dedicated to, to Shala, but you know, to Chad
Wood Boseman, which was, I don't know, it was the end of this movie was really good.
Like there were a lot of good parts in this movie, but you know, I don't know if you're,
the end is supposed to be your favorite part, but the, I think the end was my favorite part
of this movie.
Like the last, I would say like seven to 10 minutes of it, including the mid credit scene.
Like that was, yeah, it was, I don't know.
It's been a while in a Marvel movie since my mouth has dropped that wide when they can
announce that they had a son together.
I'm like, what?
And then, God dang it.
When he, I mean, do we want to talk about this right now?
Or are we going to talk about the beginning?
I don't know.
Cause I'll talk about it.
We bounce around so it doesn't really matter.
Him being named T'Challa was like such a fricking, like a gut punch.
Cause you knew that was going to be his name, even though they didn't call him that at first.
Like, and tell them your real name.
It's T'Challa.
Oh God.
But one thing from like, you know, from like a, you know, what is going to happen?
Why do you have to get this?
To me, that did a lot of things like, A, it was cool to see that that was going to be
the continue.
Like T'Challa was still going to exist in the MCU, but it also answered the question
of like, people are saying like, oh, the Black Panther, what, you have to retire T'Challa
because Chadwick Boseman died.
No, they actually found maybe the most interesting way of recasting that role ever because now
Shuri gets to have plenty of time to be Black Panther.
M'Baku gets to be leader of Wakanda for a while.
And then T'Challa gets to come home and be like, what's up?
It's me, your boy back at it again.
I'm ready to be Black Panther.
I'm ready to be King.
What's up?
And you know, M'Baku's kid is going to be like, but I'm the new leader.
And he's like, nope, I am the true, I am the true descendant.
Like my father before me, it's a Star Wars thing.
My arm.
I don't know.
I thought that was handled like, because people are still complaining about like, you know,
about taking away the T'Challa character.
They did not.
They recast it in the coolest way that I think you could have done that in like a homage
to him.
And I think that character to Chadwick Boseman, like it's a it's a rebirth of that character
rather than just putting another guy that just kind of looked like him in there and
saying, look, it's the T'Challa.
He just came from another dimension.
There's multiverses now.
Am I right?
Like I was really on the fence on like whether or not I wanted T'Challa to still be a part
of the MCU and and everything like it was I was swapping back and forth being like,
yeah, like I think they need to recast.
And like even Chadwick's family like urged Marvel like he would have wanted T'Challa
to be recast.
And like Marvel is now.
But I absolutely agree with you.
This is like one of the cooler ways to do a recasting.
Yeah, it's not it's not recast.
That's the thing.
It's not recasting.
It is like literally passing the mantle to his son.
So I don't know.
It's very cool.
Yeah, dude, I don't know about you guys, but I was like.
Openly just crying through like a lot of this movie.
Anytime they talk to four times.
I so I I made it through like the opening when he's like when they like announced that
he like has passed, like I got through that and I was like, OK, like I can I can make
it.
And then I saw the opening sequence and just being completely silent.
And then the show to Chadwick Boseman like tribute, I was like, oh, like freaking like
ugly crying.
And then I cried through the entire freaking funeral.
That one that the silence got me.
And I'm going to be honest with you, the only other two times it got me again was at the
end when it was like, this is his son.
I was like, eh.
But the one that really got me good was when Shuri got taken and Ramona was like, you're
out, you're fired.
I hate you.
Get out of my face forever.
What are you trying to say?
I lost everything and you just told me you lost the last thing I had.
Go directly to hell, lady.
And like her like seeing that I saw someone on Twitter like and this is why Angela Bessette
gets them awards for acting.
But what's her face?
Akoi?
What is her?
What is the girl's name that plays her?
I don't know.
But whatever Michonne like Denea Guerrero.
That was such a well done scene.
That was probably one of my other favorite scenes in that movie was that part because
Akoi is like so like I've lost things too.
It's crazy.
I didn't mean to do it.
And when she just tees off on her and is like I've lost everything and you see her face
of like I am hurt and I have nothing I can say because I was thinking of myself.
Boom.
Spear in the ground.
I'm out.
I have nothing to do with the out right now.
And Beth actually made a great point.
She was like she was like but the next thing she did was go and get the next last person
that she had and send her in to go and save her daughter.
I was like listen they can't all be perfect.
But great point.
Well I don't know.
I think in Nakia's defense Nakia had never quite like failed a mission before.
That's true.
She kind of still had a decent track record at least in Ramon does eyes.
Akoia she she f'd up bad dude.
And I was totally I forget who like tried to come to Akoia's defense.
Like I think it might have been Mbaku.
But whoever tried to come to her defense I was like totally like this is like this is
unfair.
And Angela Bassett changed my mind.
Yeah.
She was like oh OK well we're all just going to be quiet now.
Sorry about that my queen.
I'm going to go ahead and leave now.
Oh my gosh dude if she doesn't get an award for this movie that will be an absolute crime.
I got I was chills when she was talking to the United Nations.
Yeah the United Nations.
And then they bring in those freaking French like mercenaries the way that she just like
eyeballing the freaking French lady.
Well that was that was another scene too that I was like because I was right up front and
it was like OK like you're you're here saying that we you you want us to bargain with you
and this is what you're doing behind our back.
No no it's not like that.
You don't get to pretend like we're being diplomatic and send your freaking dirty work
boys in.
No and they're going to kneel in front of us.
How about that.
Dude I don't know about you guys but I knew something was up like when they were when
those guys were breaking into the lab as soon as that like that one chick was when he's
like who's in charge and she immediately pointed I'm like you didn't really put up that much
of a fight.
A fight yeah.
I was like something's fishy and then the freaking gates open and the dormal logic come
in and I'm like yes.
Like you guys are screwed.
That's great I was watching something today too that I forgot I need to rewatch what was
it the Falcon and Winter Soldier show that I forgot that they were in that as well like
they showed up there for a minute to be like nah we're gonna go ahead and wreck shop here
too.
Suck at you nerds.
By the way too in the movie when they were like we gotta go get our favorite colonizer
Beth and I both were like the Winter Soldier is gonna be in this.
That too.
I completely forgot about Ross.
Me too.
Which is really sad because he's played by such an amazing actor but the character is
just not well written.
And it's so weird hearing him do an American accent like it throws me off every single
freaking time.
You stole the words right out of me because as soon as he opened his mouth to do his no
no no he opened his mouth to do his first line and I was like stop it.
That's not you don't talk like that we all know you.
That's not Bilbo Baggins.
Dude but freaking Namor they made him so interesting like way more interesting than I've ever read
about him.
That's okay.
Like so I'm not sure what you guys know about him from comics or whatever.
So they kind of rewrote everything about him.
So the only thing that they kind of got on the money with was that he's a mutant.
But he is like the ruler of Atlantis in the comic.
And he's like someone that carries around a trident.
He's basically Aquaman.
But I think they made him better than Aquaman.
Well that's what I was going to say is like I haven't seen the Aquaman movie.
My only experience with Aquaman on the big screen is in Justice League.
And I think I like I still like Jason Momoa better than this guy because I don't really
know this guy but I for sure like Namor much better than Aquaman.
Like no hate to Jason Momoa but it's such it was such a cool everything about it was
great like I liked him because he was what we're saying part of his thing was he was
a douchebag.
He is a douchebag but he is like he has got he is clearly like a very thoughtful tactical
leader.
Like he is he is always thinking steps and steps ahead of everyone.
Like the end of the movie was like the perfect thing of it because we're like as soon you
said it in the description Rose like when he was talking to her he was like listen just
relax.
They got it they're going to attack them first so they're not coming down here.
They're for sure not coming down here so just chill.
They're going to get they're already going after them.
They're going to continue to go after them and when they do we it's going to be so good
for us.
Oh dude I love like what they did with Namor and like his new heritage like starting off
in like the Mayan Aztec world and like so good.
Like Namor in the comics is so freaking boring.
The most interesting thing that he does has been like tricking invisible woman into having
an affair.
Oh shit.
Yeah so in the comics he uses his like he has like pheromones that he puts off and it
like he used it to seduce invisible woman and I love the memes that have come from this
like posted a picture of John Krasinski.
I don't know where you are but I love you girl.
Yeah but like the picture like they I love like the picture like they'll put a picture
of John Krasinski's Mr. Fantastic in the Namor and being like yeah Reed is definitely losing
his wife.
Oh my god that's amazing.
What was I going to say?
I lost it.
Dude but he was intimidating.
He was.
Oh that's what I saw.
Is this like I don't know if this is true I saw it on the internet but apparently in
water he has like Hulk level strength.
Like that is supposedly like his power his power range is Hulk level while he's in the
water.
I think I saw that somewhere too.
Yeah so they.
Bananas to me.
I wouldn't say that's like comic accurate truth but Ryan Coogler did come out and say
that when he's like as powered up as he can get like he's on the same level as Thor like
in terms of strength.
I don't know I'm yeah I don't know I'll be glad to see more of him show up in the
in whatever capacity it is.
Yeah I hope we get to see more of him like it would be a shame if we didn't.
You really would.
That was what I thought.
Go ahead.
No I was just saying I just love like the everything that they added to Namor from this
movie just made just blew the comic book version out of the water.
Well and that's I don't know that's one cool thing that I think that the MCU has done is
like they took because I remember when Civil War said it too many times but when Civil
War was coming out I went and bought the omnibus or whatever that had all the whatever in it
and I read it and I was like well this can't happen.
Half these people aren't even in the MCU what could they possibly do to make this movie
even kind of like this.
Like the people they have writing even though I don't necessarily agree with what they've
done with those maybe the last couple of movies I feel like some questionable choices have
been made like one through line is that they are good at adapting what came in the comics
to translating it to the screen in a way that like everybody can enjoy even if it's not
exactly comic accurate like people that know the comics are I feel like for the most part
still happy with what they get and I only say that because they don't seem to be as
adamant as Star Wars fans are.
The haters that is.
Very true.
By the way for having no source material before the movie Star Wars fans are wild but anyway.
But yeah like it's really cool like because I never like really felt or like understood
how impactful having a superhero that shares the same heritage as you like I've never quite
understood what that's like which for those of you that don't know I have like some Hispanic
in my family and my mom like kind of raised us in that culture.
And so seeing a character like this like someone that didn't really like give two shits about
it was really cool to see someone like share that like to see someone on screen that that
shared that and so just kind of make solidified those feelings of like representation for
me.
Hell yeah man.
I mean like yeah we need we need like a more diverse superheroes or villains or whatever
on on screen and.
I'm just waiting for the Italian superhero to finally emerge.
I'm just kidding I have a hundred syllables in my name.
What I thought was really cool about this movie like I didn't realize it until after
I saw it and I saw it was like straw hat goofy or something talking about it and he was showing
while he was talking about it it never struck me he was showing the one of the posters for
the movie and you see Shuri and everyone behind her you know kind of in the normal way you
would see all the Marvel characters but then there's a line and then there's the ocean
and then the reflection is no more and his whole gang and that I was like of course they
were trying to tell because that's what I got out of that movie it's like oh like these
two people or these two cultures or whatever they they lived parallel existences without
really knowing knowing each other.
I don't know that that was what.
Boy you would think as long as it's been since I saw this movie it's been days and days that
I would have a much more concise better way of saying what I'm trying to say.
I don't.
I don't know I just thought it was cool to see like have them start to tell a more story
and you could see almost immediately you're like oh this is this parallels almost perfectly
to the Black Panther like yes it's not ten thousand years old or whatever it is that
the Black Panther is but it's the same idea of like we need this we need this protector
that will that will help our people you know that will help our people.
Yeah it like freaking amazing like Ryan Coogler writing this story amazing yes like he like
I can't even imagine having to rewrite your entire story.
Now I would love to hear what his like I know that Marvel's probably going to like recycle
like what his original idea for but for this movie was but I would love to hear what he
was planning on for like a Chadwick Boseman if he were like alive like what we have because
was you would think I think you can see part of like there I think a lot of this stuff
that happened towards the middle of the movie like the middle or like the back half of the
movie like it seems like there was a lot of stuff that was always supposed to be there
that might have been there from the beginning but what was it I mean we haven't even talked
about it yet Riri Riri Williams like that was what did you guys think about her introduction
and and kind of how they handled her in general leading up to the end of this movie I guess.
I thought it was fun I mean I don't know you guys might have more problems with it than
I did I don't I mean it wasn't like anything spectacular but I thought it was fine I'm
I will say I'm interested in the Ironheart series now.
Yeah same here it's just it got it captured my interest in like Ironheart and I like I
knew a little bit about Ironheart like not a whole lot but I know that she's in like
within the MCU is on the same like intelligence level as Tony Stark and that's probably the
the limit of what I know about her but I mean from what we saw she is really interesting
she's fun kind of has like a like more naive Tony Stark vibe about her which which I like
so I'm excited to see.
No I like her a lot too I just thought that my only thing is like I ever since Marvel
put out werewolf by night I am like okay you guys figured something out here do more of
this and I know that Ironheart is getting her own her own series or whatever coming
I think next year in like March or something I would not have minded a one-off of you know
a special presentation like a 40 or 50 minute whatever about Ironheart that like gave us
more time because it's like I like the time that we had with her it felt like kind of
shoehorned in a little bit to be like hey we got to get this person in to kind of look
at this it's gonna be crazy got a new Ironman anyway she's blasting off we'll see you next
time I just I just wanted to see more is really what it boils down to so I can't wait for
that series but yeah I don't know I liked her a lot too.
Yeah she was really fun and I love like the the scene where they were in the in her dorm
room and Akoya just scares the ever-living shit out of her and then she what was it she
throws a Bluetooth speaker at Akoya and then she just like straight up like insults Akoya's
makeup like she's covering like the tattoos on her and everything like I thought that
was the funniest shit.
It's funny because I saw something that was saying was showing how like that scene compared
to when Tony Stark first came to Peter Parker and I really she makes me think of I know
she's I knew that she was supposed to be like smart like Tony but I think that she also
had the like she reminded me of like if Tony Stark and Peter Parker were one person like
without you know the alcoholism and the dead parents.
But I mean also too like one thing I feel like everyone I keep at least forgetting about
and I'm sure I don't know everyone else probably is too is like they are basically right in
front of us being like every movie you're gonna see that here's a new Young Avenger
new Young Avenger new Young Avenger like here it comes I've completely forgot again I know
you hate you said you don't like watching like synopsis or like reviews or anything
before you talk about a movie Caleb but I realized that I have to kind of like I have
to hear someone say something so I can think like against it but I was watching something
and I forgot that young son of Hulk showed up at some point and she Hulk was like hey
this is my son was like wait what?
Dude don't don't even get me started on what they did to Scar.
All I'm saying is is that like you know we basically have it now right like Spider-Man
or Peter Parker can still be their Spider-Man because he's been you know D Tony Starkified
and he's just hanging around in tights now and then the rest of the Young Avengers like
yeah it's good I don't know that also seeing her made me look forward to that too.
Yeah dude I'm I'm kind of excited to see like if they if they do more with Spider-Man within
the the MCU I'm kind of excited to see him as like the veteran yeah like the one who's
been through like the shit.
The 20 year old vet yeah.
Yeah like he's I mean he's still on the young side and probably like fits better within
the age range of the Young Avengers but it's like he's also been through the gauntlet with
the with the OG's.
Yeah I mean he would be I feel like he would be like kind of if he wasn't the leader he
would be the right-hand man to whoever was the leader.
Yeah I think it's hard to tell who's gonna like take up that leader role and like I thought
at first it might be like Doctor Strange but he just kind of seems like over the Avengers
shit.
Yeah Doctor Multiverse of Madness was I gotta watch that movie again because he yeah he
definitely seems like he's like well getting too old for this.
Yeah and I don't think Wong is even though I feel like he could easily be the head of
the New Avengers I doubt he's gonna be the head and it's just like I don't feel like
they've established a new leader well enough with like with anyone it's like Captain Marvel's
off doing her own thing.
I mean I guess you have the Hulk but.
No you don't.
Yeah I'm not not the Hulk I want.
And like the only other one that like can come and like make a difference so I feel
like I don't think Thor is like capable whatsoever anymore and so it's like the only one you
got left is Hawkeye like kind of leading the the Young Avengers which I think could be
really interesting but.
Doesn't Clint finally deserve retirement.
Yeah it's like I know is I just want to see more Kate and Yelena that's what I really
want.
I want that so much those two were amazing together in that series.
I hope that.
Sam Wilson kind of takes up the leader role a little bit better when his movie finally
comes out.
That would be dope like I don't know why it's been so long since I've thought of that sure
that Joe but yes he would that's it if he's not the leader I quit this stupid franchise
I'm done I don't have any time anymore.
I've watched one hundred and seventy five of your movies you've gotten enough from me
make him the leader or I'm out.
That movie is going to be the shit because Tim Blake Nelson's coming back to play the
leader.
Dude that we're getting like that quantum mania is the one that is like I'm afraid to watch
because it's either going to be too much or not enough and I don't want it to be either
I actually don't want to know anymore I'm like you know what what if we all just went
home what if we just stopped fighting and we stopped tearing each other apart at the
quantum level what about that.
I feel like that movie can lead into some good stuff because like my thought on it so
there's a another young Avenger there's a few young well actually that's not true.
I'm trying to think through the young Avengers real quick but I'm pretty sure there's only
one that they haven't really introduced yet and that's iron lad.
Do you think that'll be homeboy from Iron Man 3?
That's what everyone's saying.
I hope not.
I hope not because Iron Lad eventually becomes Kang.
No shit.
Yeah within the comics the future version of Iron Lad is Kang the Conqueror and then
like Kang comes over like screws with him with Iron Lad and Iron Lad's like I'll never
become you and like kind of like goes his own way.
So I would love to see them handle that like have a young Kang the Conqueror or like a
young actor to play Iron Lad.
I think that that could be really freaking cool.
But yeah if I'm let me see who I know Iron Lad is like a significant character I forget
what his real name is though.
Oh he's wait is he who's his parents?
Bruce and Martha Wayne.
So Iron Lad is a descendant of Reed Richards.
Really?
Yeah.
Wow okay.
So I think that could be.
We know that they have kids in other dimensions so maybe Reed Richards did have a couple kids
or a great grandchild who will make his way into RMCU.
Yeah.
So I would love to see that.
Like I think that would be so freaking cool.
But anyway.
So anyway getting back into like this breakdown starting with story.
I felt this felt the story felt very reminiscent of the arc like this was just kind of a longer
formatted film about the arc T'Challa went through in Civil War.
Yeah yeah.
Okay yeah that's a good way to look at it.
Yeah that's that was the thing I mean even to the point where like it even went a step
further whenever she finally went to the ancestral realm and trying to see her mom saw Killmonger
and say I know it's in your heart little girl.
It is nothing but vengeance here.
That's why I'm that's why I showed up.
Yeah.
Well okay like brother like sister.
That was was trippy and I'm glad that they brought Michael B Jordan back to to do that.
Oh yeah.
It.
Like that hit hard and especially the the hurt that Shuri felt coming out of that and
it's just like I don't want to talk about it.
Dude can I just tell you they're like again another super cool sequence was her going
to the ancestral realm seeing Killmonger there having that thing of what did you see.
Don't worry about it get out of my face and then when she is the Black Panther and when
you like that music I don't know what that music was that played but it was not MCU music
like that was something different that played whenever she dropped down for the first time
I'm like what is this like this is like killer music and that's what you see from her for
like the rest of the movies like whenever she first shows up to anywhere they play that
like I don't even know how to recreate it with my mouth like you like I don't know you
know what I'm talking about like it was just like a crazy sound like it's very I know we're
not talking about music but it's a very very like so rare I can't even think of another
time that any kind of music makes me sit up a little straighter in my seat when I'm watching
a movie but when that hit I was like what is about to happen like this is business is
about to happen right now.
Yeah it it kind of did have very like intimidating almost like villainous vibes to it.
Yes.
Like it was it was perfect but I loved what they did and like like I said it did feel
very like reminiscent of T'Challa's story where she loses a parent and has to like learn
like forgiveness and some mercy.
Well she's already even though it wasn't for someone didn't kill him she lost her brother
she I mean we know by the end that she had not really grieved for that and then in the
midst of all that loses her mother and is like yeah like that's when it starts getting
wild.
Yeah.
Oh freaking loved it though.
I loved how she was trying to like broker an agreement with Namor in regards to like
keeping Talokhan's secret and everything and I feel like they could have come to an arrangement
but freaking like I was on edge when Nakia was coming I was just like shit shit you're
gonna screw this up.
Like you're gonna ruin this deal.
And like it's what I loved is how like understandable like his choices were.
Like he thought that he was on the verge of like of making this deal but he's getting
betrayed by like he's getting the little slip around from the queen comes back and the princess
is gone he's just like oh shit.
Like I got played and like the way that his whole like tone seemed to shift when that
happened and he's like all right I'm not playing around anymore and just went ham on Wakanda
with those freaking water bombs which those were absolutely terrifying.
Yeah dude seriously.
Dude like I never thought that I'd be afraid of a water balloon.
Like when he when they pulled that one out and I was like I saw like I you could see
it like you saw the little water bomb and I'm like okay what the hell is that supposed
and then it like freaking explodes or blows everyone off like I was like holy shit and
then like every time they pulled one of those out I was like shit's about to go down.
And then I was losing it when they had the two whales like dragging the nets full of
them towards the Wakandan ship.
That was terrifying like oh my god.
Yeah dude seriously.
But I love that.
I loved how how well the story flowed how they dealt with Chadwick's passing like I
love so much about this movie.
Story wise this was damn near perfect perfect execution even though it did kind of have
hints of something that we've seen before.
I don't know about you guys I'm sitting like the 93 range.
What do you guys think?
So I will go and say I don't know if it's I don't know if this would be more for story
or for writing.
Like this I liked everything that happened in this movie.
I had I always I've been trying to talk to Beth about it.
I've never been able to pin down exactly what I mean by this.
Maybe you guys know when I say it but like this movie was very long but I also felt like
there was a lot of stuff that just got rushed through and but there was also stuff that
didn't get enough time either.
Like I almost feel like because like the re stuff I feel like got like sprinted through.
I would have liked more time with her but again I it's weird to say in a three hour
movie I don't know where you would put more stuff with her but that's still somehow is
the case.
And then there were other things that was like not when Shuri was grieving but like
there were just times when like you were like all right we got it.
Let's let's go.
There's a movie happening.
Let's let's let's get it together.
So I would still say 90 though.
Like I don't.
Yeah.
I think like addressing your your point I think they kind of did a little too long of
a tour of Talo Khan.
And here by the way can we just say that was the best.
We live in a fantasy world and that suit is the best suit that you can get.
Whether it's like oh we're in this school pressure suit.
We're just Patrick star in it all over the place.
Oh look at that over there.
Oh that's weird.
No I cannot bend my arms.
I hope I don't get an itch on my neck or something.
Anyway I love this place.
It's pretty cool.
That would be more of like wardrobe or something.
Yeah.
But yeah I think I think the Ironheart series probably should have come out before this
movie.
Well that's what I was saying.
That was my point.
I don't know if I made it correctly about the special presentation like werewolf by
night stuff.
If they had just they didn't have to have the series but if they just had like a quick
like 40 minute introduction to Ironheart then I think that would have been that would have
taken the place of it wouldn't have felt like they sprinted through her being in that movie.
Yeah.
I think the reason that they probably did like they definitely sprinted was because
she's getting her own series.
So they're just like OK we'll we'll find out more about her later.
I'm like no we kind of need that info going in.
Yeah.
Also you're like here's someone who's super cool that does a lot of fun stuff but don't
pay attention to that.
Like what.
No they can fly.
Like that's fine.
Don't worry about it.
You'll hear about it later.
They're flying right now.
Don't worry about it.
That's what I like about the comics because it's like as soon as they introduce a new
character or just something new they're just like OK and now you can follow this timeline
like follow this this trail and you're like OK.
Yay.
And now I have I can follow this story and this story and then you can go on and it just
leads to an infinite tree of reading.
What do you think.
What do you think of your story Rose.
Not I thought was really good.
I think I'm probably going to match DJ with a 90 but I still have very few problems with
it.
Deciding to make sure the main focus of the story was an amazing choice.
And there's really no other person that you should have.
I feel I know like I think me and Cale throughout the idea of like oh you know like what if
they made Nikia the Black Panther.
But watching this movie now it made absolute sense to make it sherry.
Yeah no I really don't have a lot of problems with this movie.
I will say I think I know a DJ but I will say Cale probably liked the villain more than
me no more.
No more.
I think if I'm wrong he was a really good villain.
But I probably will say when it comes to Black Panther villains I think I like to kill Monger
a little more.
But I can do that.
I don't know just.
He was good.
It's unfair.
I'm going to say this even though it's unfair and it doesn't count.
But I mean Black Panther was better than this movie.
Like Wakanda Forever was good but out of the two I would watch Black Panther again.
I mean I would watch both of them again but like it just sucks that like this had to fall
into the trope of like the sequel is not as good as the original because of the circumstances
surrounding it.
But it's it was still really good.
And honestly I didn't see Neymar really as like a villain until literally the very end
when he was like we're going to wait until they get got and then we're going to go and
strike.
Like he kind of seemed like just a guy like if you had if in the parallel universe where
we got the Neymar movie instead of the Black Panther movie and he was fighting against
Black Panther in this one we would all be on his side and be like no this guy's great.
Like he's he's the hero of the story up until that last point where we're like wait our
hero's a bad guy.
Maybe yeah I think I felt like his motivations were really strong in this.
Like he wasn't making himself known until people were like found a way to track vibranium
which is something that he uses to protect his kingdom.
And then he's like OK yes shit got to get involved.
Yeah no that's a very good point.
So I think about it too.
He probably he probably had more in common Neymar did with T'Chaka than with T'Challa
only because like he Neymar seemed more like he would just go in there and get his hands
dirty to keep his people safe.
I feel like T'Chaka I mean T'Chaka clearly wasn't always like that but yeah I don't know
I got to rewatch Black Panther again.
Sorry.
Yeah I mean T'Chaka killed his own brother to keep Wakanda safe.
I'm just saying.
And Neymar wasn't that far behind.
He's like I'll take out this entire freaking country to keep my my people safe.
Well yeah how many people did he kill just right on Front Street.
Like when they say like two thousand people died on that frigate or whatever it was out
there.
And he was like yeah and I will also kill this basically child for being too smart.
Yeah that was wild.
Well I mean you got to think though.
It is wild but yeah like they live in a depth that no human person could possibly ever get
to and now the human people are trying to show up where they're at.
So it's like yeah I mean you can say that he's a bad guy but not really.
That's what I loved about him.
Like I loved how just not it's like not right but he wasn't wrong.
So yeah I'm moving on over to writing.
This is I think this is where the movie absolutely shined.
Yeah I can definitely agree with that.
Like oh I loved the conversation that Shuri and Namor were having about his origins and
like talking about Talokhan and his like his feelings about like that area and like why
he feels the need to protect them so strongly.
Like that kind of it gave me or made me very reminiscent of Thor's conversation with Jane
Foster in the first movie when he's talking about like the nine realms and everything
and how like magical that conversation was.
So I like really appreciated that.
And then just whoever did the writing for Queen Ramonda needs all the money.
And then Angela Bassett needs the rest of the money.
We're delivering it as powerfully as she did but we will get into that with acting.
What did you guys think of like writing and dialogue and all that other fun stuff?
Well I will go.
I agree with everything you said but I was I don't know I had a point in the middle of
what you were saying and I was like I will listen instead of just wait to talk.
And now it's gone.
But yeah I don't know I agree with it all.
Like I started by saying like what a cool idea it was to recast T'Challa in that way
of using his you know the sun no one knew about.
I don't know they just had a lot of cool like you've heard me talk throughout this episode.
A lot of cool sequences.
A lot of cool interactions that I don't know I really appreciate it in this movie.
So I yeah I liked it.
I thought it was good.
I don't know should I give my score?
I'm not sure.
Yeah absolutely.
What would you what would you say that with?
I'm going to make Rose do it first.
Oh damn.
Because he left me hanging in the wind.
So I'm calling you out Rose.
Okay well for okay so well then okay I'm just going to give my score right now and then
back it up.
So my writing score I'm going to give a 93.
The writing like Kayla pointed out earlier is freaking amazing in this movie.
One scene that sticks out to me with the writing is it's at the funeral of Ramonda and it's
when Mbaku is talking to Shuri and how she's just asking like hey like why are you even
here?
And you know he points out you know like hey you know it was your brother's dying wish
that I protect you and it's just like those emotional moments between those two.
Honestly all the emotional moments between every character in this movie.
Yeah.
I definitely agree with DJ how Black Panther is definitely it will be the movie I watched
them more so out of this one but I feel the reason for that at least for me is that this
movie is so emotional to watch that the first one is more of a like don't get me wrong the
first one is very emotional but it's still a fun movie to watch.
This one I feel just gets in your feel so much that there's probably going to I'm probably
going to struggle getting through this movie the second time watching it because I'm going
to try not to cry four more times and I'm probably going to fail but just I feel I'm
more likely to go back to the first Black Panther and it's nothing against this movie.
This is a great sequel.
It's a very well written sequel but just it hits you in the motions in the emotions not
too hard but in a big way that it is sometimes hard to get through but in the best way possible.
Jesus Christ Rose thank you for saying that much better than I did.
You actually fully expressed what I was trying to say when I was like not as good as the
first one.
Next thank you first of all and second of all we're going to be great minds think alike
listen well they do because I threw you out there because I was like I am also going to
give this a 93 because that was that was I listen two more and we're soulmates.
Okay.
Yeah.
Awesome.
What did you give it Caleb?
I'm going a little I'm going a little higher.
I'm sitting at a 95.
Nice.
But yeah absolutely agree with everything that you said and you you freaking nailed
it on the head Rose like yeah freaking for sure perfect like like I've no I've like now
that you pointed that out like I'm able to recognize it like I go back to the fun MCU
movies way more often than I do the ones that like hit really hard.
Yeah.
Well this one hits extra hard because it's not it's not like oh the guy the guy in the
movie died it's crazy man anyway I can't wait to see him in the next movies and like there
is reality tied to this that makes it it's funny because you saying that Rose made me
kind of finally realize why I was like not like on edge is the wrong way of saying how
I watched this movie but just kind of like uneasy I guess because it's like we are all
like dancing around the this idea that this dude in real life is gone and like you know
he did he did a lot of things other than Black Panther that were really good and he did very
well and I think that you know he deserves credit for too but like this I don't know
like this this transcended it all because like everyone could look to this and be like
I don't know I don't know how to describe it other than like he was he was a superhero
that everyone could be like could relate to not just you know a certain group of people.
Yeah one thing I wanted to bring up because I'm not a hundred percent sure if I could
bring it up anywhere else when you were talking about M'Baku and like his whole like situation
at the ceremony for Queen Ramonda I appreciated very much how his tone about killing Namor
like changed like before it was just oh this fish man has come into our our waters like
and like more or less threatened our our royalty like he needs to be put down like today and
then as soon as he started like hearing what they what his people call him and realizing
that they're calling him the flying serpent god and they're like that's how they view
him they view him as a god and he's like yeah if we kill him it's nothing but fighting the
rest of our lives. Yeah that was no yeah that maybe I have to bring my grade up. I'm sorry
Rose we might have to come together on a different grade because that there was so many things
like that I am I'm I'm I will go to 94 because this like it was so yeah there were so many
things like that like I guarantee you going through that movie again like the next time
I watch that there will be a handfuls more of moments like that that were just so like
yeah that was a great character moment for him like that was super well written but it
was also like a really good character moment for him because you got to see that like contrast
of him so yeah no I do have to raise it. I'm also kind of glad or I'll say happy in a way
that Shuri actually I don't know if he did this on purpose I highly the ending was a
little confusing with him like coming out of the ship and saying that he's claiming
like coming to like challenge for the throne. That was yeah I will absolutely agree. It
felt weird because I'm like okay did he like do this on purpose but it's it felt weird
for it's like how would Shuri not know that she she was supposed to do that. He implied
though that she knew right because I also saw I also saw on my travels through the internet
today like apparently the implication was supposed to be that not only had they spoken
of this like he was there for the ceremony of it but he will in fact be the leader of
Wakanda going forward and she will just be just she will be Black Panther going forward
and this will just be a case where Black Panther and the leader of Wakanda are not one in the
same. Yeah which I'm not upset about at all. I don't think that's a very good decision.
I really like that a lot. And again it sets it up perfectly for Tachaka's kid whoever
that is who thinks he's going to be the heir to the throne and then T'Challa rolls up and
is like what's up everybody. Daddy's home. Who is this dork. He's like I'm your leader.
It's me the king. Yeah. So I I like had to reflect on that a lot like when I came out
of that because I'm like OK like sure he had to have known. Like there's no way she didn't.
Like how do you just ditch a ceremony like that. Like where you're giving up the king
like now. Like I like you said I think that was definitely previously discussed and she
just am I isn't wanting to rule. But it's confusing too because it's like isn't she
supposed to fight for the title of Black Panther as well. But it isn't wasn't. If I'm
remembering this wrong tell me but didn't she say a Bacchus say that they had spoken
or something or like she didn't something. Didn't he mention her or something when they
were there on the waterfall. I think he did because he's just like the queen. The princess
sends her regards or some something. Yeah. So it's like because especially to implies
that she knew. Yeah. Because at this point he's not he's clearly not the you know we're
not sure if he's the enemy or not like we were in the first movie. Like he's obviously
on their side and he wants the best for Wakanda. So it wouldn't make sense for him to be like
I'm a cheeky little guy. I just did this behind everyone's back. Yeah. He he does. It doesn't
seem. Yeah. Like you said doesn't seem like he'd be the type of person now to do that.
It would be a wild move if he decided to do that. I think sure he just isn't ready for
that responsibility yet. And I'm curious whether or not moving forward if sure he's going to
keep the title of Black Panther because she was like not for it. But she I think she recognized
that there was a need for a Black Panther. Well if you remember she didn't really believe
in it. Like she didn't believe in any of it. She was like everything is nonsense. The I
went along with the ancestral realm because you freaking morons thought it was real and
it made you feel better. And then suddenly she speaks to to why can't I say his name.
I want to say norad. What is his name. Neymar. Jesus. Like my brain just came up with an
and I was like norad speaks with him learns his heritage gets the you know gets the special
threads that has the you know vibranium laced whatever plants that were there goes to the
ancestral realm not believing. That's what that's what was crazy is she was like I don't
believe this but I'm going to I know what I got to do so I'm going to just do it and
then and then sees Killmonger. God dang it sucks to be you lady. You were wrong and you
didn't get to see you thought you were going to see. Yeah. I I have a hard time picturing
her got moving forward as the Black Panther because I I don't unless it's just like something
that she's it didn't feel like she fully embraced the role that she took it on for a purpose
and then now that that purpose has been handled she's going to like pass it along. I hope
not. I hope it's a thing where like maybe she does like in the next movie or whatever
it is that's going to involve her that is like worst case scenario it's like her struggle
to be like I am the Black Panther now but I don't I don't want this to be a thing where
they're like this was she was just the placeholder for the next person that is just going to
do the thing like give her some time. It's not like it's unprecedented as far as comics
go unless they do some kind of huge time jump where T'Challa is now 25 and he's like I'm
ready then no like just let her give her some strife and let her do the thing for a while.
Yeah I agree. I'm wondering too like. You're not wrong by the way with everything you said
about her. I'm just saying I hope it doesn't turn out with the with the theory that you
have. I know I will kind of be bummed out because Shuri has some like really good Black
Panther stories that I think should be told. It's just the way that they set up Shuri in
this does not she does not seem like that person to like maintain that role and I don't
know like it could be I don't know. I think M'Baku has a like has a respect for Wakanda
and like the Black Panther and the the Panther goddess Bast and everything. So I think he
would keep the Black Panther role going. But I mean who knows we might see M'Baku take
up the Black Panther mantle or I mean I know he's in the comics he's supposed to be like
the the the white ape or something like that. Well that's the other thing that I came across
too is like they even though they are all from Wakanda like he believes in a different
god than T'Challa and his family did which again fun fact I found out by going perusing
the internet is in Thor Love and Thunder you actually see the Black Panther god and Namor's
god I don't remember their name but you see them when they go to when Thor and the gang
go to see Zeus like when they're sitting down waiting like if you see in front of them like
you see those two gods there. It's like what's up? Just hanging out. Yeah just wanted to
correct myself real quick M'Baku in the comics is known as man ape. Yes. Okay. But yeah I
know that there's a lot of like Wakandan tribes that believe in in different like entities
like I know T'Challa like T'Challa's is like the Black Panther M'Baku's is the the white
gorilla and then I know that there's another one like the white tiger because there is
a Wakandan like white tiger or white wolf or something like that. Well no wasn't that
Winter Soldier and didn't they rename him the white wolf or something like that? Or
what was his when they were healing him and gave him his vibranium arms. Yeah so they
did yeah they started calling him the the white wolf but in the comics there is a character
known that goes by the white wolf. What I'm saying is uh M'Baku he wasn't gonna say he
I mean he's clearly I think that was one of the cool things when they that part you were
talking about where he starts talking about the fish man differently and he's like oh
they see him as the serpent god like clearly they're trying to establish that he is wise
and he will be able to lead them because he's not just going to run in blind and with rage
and I could see him being more of like a what's the word not a mentor but like a what's it
called what would you call like Commissioner Gordon to Batman you know what I mean like
uh something like that role I can't think of what the the name of it is but like something
like that like have Shuri come and be like yeah man I was just ripping fools in half
and he's like yeah you can't be doing that like this is not what it's all about. Like
you're out there you're out there still with rage in your heart and you need to uh you
need to center yourself like I could see him being that like being the being that kind
of leader and then being that kind of like uh the word I'm trying to think of and cannot
uh for her like going forward.
I freaking love conversations like this dude. Alright um yeah getting into acting uh just
talking about the main people we got Letitia Wright who played Shuri uh Lupita Nyong'o
who played Nakia, Danal Gurira who played Akoya, Winston Duke who plays M'Baku, Angela
Bassett who plays Queen Ramonda, Tana Cuerta who plays Namor, Martin Freeman who played
Everett Ross, Dominique Thorne who plays Riri and I think that covers the main people yeah
I'll say that covers the main people.
Yes.
So I say like top three.
This is a hard one. Yeah I already have mine so my number one is going to Angela Bassett
played Queen Ramonda because she is amazing. She blew my freaking mind. Like she was so
intimidating talking to the United Nations and like bringing the people in and being
like consider them being brought back here alive um mercy. Like it won't happen again
and I'm like oh damn and then like how she went into the like the firing of Akoya. I
like I said I was totally on Akoya's side like hey not her fault she got her ass whooped
by some freaking fish dude and then the way that she was able to just like change my mind
yeah that was wild yeah and like you could she must have been going through some shit
that day because you could feel how like she could you could tell that she was like feeling
her performance and she just cranked it up to 11.
When you saw like to me it was when you saw the spit flying out of her mouth of like the
literal spitting mad it was like uh all right well I'm gonna take a step back and uh pretend
like hopefully no one saw me and leave.
Yeah exactly so that's why she's getting my number one. My number two probably an unpopular
opinion I'm given to Tanaka Kureta who played Namor. I loved his performance as Namor and
like I said just freaking gushed over him earlier talking about how like impactful his
performance was and how interesting he's made Namor and I hope that Marvel like adopts this
this rendition of him for like future comics.
Yeah let's see why not. Oh you mean like how they had uh what's his face uh who were you
gonna say?
I was gonna say like Aquaman like they kind of have started modeling Aquaman and giving
him kind of the Jason Momoa personality.
But yeah so definitely so giving him my number two and then my number three is going to Letitia
Wright. I think she did an incredible job as Shuri and she she gave a really powerful
performance as well. Like the standout moment for me was at the funeral when she kind of
like went back to give T'Challa like a last hug. That wrecked me.
Yeah dude that was ugh.
So yeah that's my top three. What about you guys?
For me number three I would give to Winston Duke. Um Baku I know he wasn't in it probably
as much as he was in the first one. I feel he was in the first one a little more. But
I still loved his performance. He's amazing in this character as this character and I
just loved watching him on screen.
Number two I would definitely give to Angela Bassett. She was amazing as Ramonda. She had
the most emotional scenes throughout this whole movie and she delivered every single
one of them. They were absolutely amazing.
And then number two I would give to Letitia Wright as Shuri. I loved her in the first
one. I loved her even more in this one. Like yeah she was definitely more of a jokester
in the first one. But the role that she had to step into this one with being a lot more
dramatic, more what's the word. I don't know just the way that she gave off the emotion
of losing her brother and then also losing her mother. Just amazing job. I absolutely
loved her in this movie. So that's my top three.
I think mine kind of mirrors yours again Rose. Other than I would like Mbaku or Winston
Duke I only put him I've got to have my top four because he just wasn't in it as much
but he did have my favorite Beth that I were talking about. My favorite moment with him
was when they were fighting on the bridge and he got punched right in the chest and
then it just like sunk in his armor and he flies across and he's just like uh. Like that
was choice. That was amazing. But I would put yeah I would put our board name or Tanook
however you say his name. Sorry I'm reading with DJ today. Yeah he just like I don't know.
I don't know if I can say anything other than what you guys have already said about these
people but yeah it's hard this is I don't know even now this is a hard top three to
give because catch me tomorrow and I might have a different top three. That's fair. What
are you guys thinking for acting score? Oh yes. I'm a 95 for acting it's that freaking
good. Yeah I'll go with that. Same here 95 is across the board. Alright next up we got
character development which obviously we need to follow Shuri in her story. So what did
you guys think of that? I absolutely loved it. Like how I point out like at the beginning
I was not expecting them to actually showcase the process of T'Challa dying. I thought it
was just going to already be dead and they would you know like maybe the first part would
be at his funeral or we do a time jump to like a year after he's passed away but I was
not expecting the opening to be literally Shuri doing everything that she can to save
her brother's life. That was fantastic. That was an amazing opening and just seeing her
development throughout the whole movie of you know her disagreeing that the Black Panther
you know needs to be something just I don't really know how to sum up into words but she
goes through such an emotional character development through this movie with you know the loss
of her brother at the beginning, her mother in the middle and just having to fight for
you know what she wants because I love the line that when her and Umbaku are having after
you know they accept her as the new Black Panther and she's like hey can I have a word
with Umbaku alone and how he points out you know like your mother wouldn't want you to
have done this, she wouldn't want any of this for you and she's like okay yeah but my mother's
dead so all of her hopes and dreams that she had for me they died with her. Now everything
that I want that's what's going to happen and I freaking loved that. That was so ballsy
of her to say and it was so impactful. So yeah amazing amazing character arc for sure
in this movie. I absolutely loved it. Yeah it was just it was the arc was it was wide
and it really did span the entire movie like even though they did do they started you know
they started the way that they did and then did the year time jump like it didn't feel
like they cheated you know what I mean they weren't like oh man she did so much work remember
all the yoga that she did and all the retreat she went on to get over her brother's death
all she's got to do is burn this thing now and everything's gonna be fine. No like it
seemed it felt even though we got to skip over a year and just got to see the like the
last what week before that all went down again it still seemed like it spanned the entire
movie and really did end with her being in a better place when she finally was able to
put those ceremonial robes on the fire on the beach by herself and and try and move
forward. Man Caleb's dropping hot hot deuces. By the way speaking of hot deuces can I just
tell you something I in my in my 39 year old body have started taking Metamucil and can
I just tell you something there is no better way to poop than when you have pooped with
Metamucil in your body it's a joy it has become a joy now so I'm just saying like if you're
like if you're ever like this is a chore this has been my my pitch to Metamucil to sponsor
the All Bros starting with this endorsement. I was gonna say they gotta do the untrained
eye first maybe at least give me and Caleb like what like three more years I mean like
maybe 30 or should we shoot for 35. Listen it's never too soon to have a nice poop okay
like. I mean he's not wrong. You know it's we can't all eat right all the time. Hi I'm
right thank you. No it's weird I just I have never making fun of Caleb reminded me that
yeah I enjoy pooping now with Metamucil it's crazy. I'm gonna laugh my ass off it wasn't
actually for pooping it was like he needed to go tend to iris or something. It's definitely
not pooping but I hope he cuts the part out where I said that. Caleb is doodooing his
brains out right now guys I can't I can't oh god oh yeah I have to get in my I have
to get in my my episode Lee dressing down of brocker hey brocker. What's the matter with
you Scott pilgrims an amazing movie you jerk damn the hair is talking about you brocker
yeah what are you gonna do about it. I haven't even I guess like because I really don't like
look don't always look at like everyone's newest episodes of their podcast but have
you seen if brocker is like still doing his autopsy of a horror movie. Well let's check
right now let's see brocker are you still doing your your little program about movies
autopsy of a horror movie let's see see when the last one came out oh he's got 22 five
star reviews on Spotify attaboy his last episode you'll enjoy came out on October 30th and
it was Halloween. Oh okay. 1978 Halloween. I'm proud of you brocker. You son of a bitch
if you if you talk any shit on it though he will look at his bad opinions about great
movies you think he's gonna have good things to say about this like Halloween what was
it made in the 70s or something why did this guy get a real mask why is it made of rubber
I mean hey you can talk he can talk all the shit he wants on Halloween ends I'm totally
okay with that but him talking shit on Halloween no okay so the question for so long he has
a beard now sorry I tried but then my my stomach made a noise that I feel might have been picked
up so it was pooping DJ's so good I knew it I don't know how I knew but I knew it you
know what no no no no no no no no no no this is for Caleb for later you have to go back
and listen to what we talked about great dude you were in for a treat that's all I'm gonna
say oh man so character development yeah well from what I remember you guys saying oh you
have no idea what you're in for when you go back to edit this I say is that is probably
my favorite that is like probably my favorite segment of stuff that DJ has ever said on
the podcast I don't know what it was but my stomach made a noise I was picked up by my
mic and I was like oh shit can't do that I don't know what comes out of the body speaks
when the body speaks you gotta listen anyway well I thought of character development I
don't know if you guys talked about that at all I was no away maybe maybe like five seconds
after you left but then yeah I just went into something totally different okay like I said
this is her shuri story felt very reminiscent of T'Challa's from Civil War just a little
bit more drawn out and intense and like a little bit more emotional as well because
she he was also dealing with or she she was also dealing with the death of T'Challa on
top of the death of her mother and so just kind of also being like the last of her family
and the way that she was able to kind of release some of that anger and hate out and still
be able to not really forgive but do what was best for the people of Wakanda and not
necessarily what would have made her feel better just kind of shows that she's not quite
as impulsive of as she was near the beginning of this this movie so I felt she had a fairly
decent arc but I think at the end of the day it's just it was well done and I say it's
like maybe a little bit above average but I'm sitting somewhere around like 86 what about
you guys yeah I think I still would have given it I hear what you're saying I cannot disagree
with one word that you just said but I think that in the way that like you see like how
people were mad about a new hope held up to the force awakens how they basically just
did the same movie again like I honestly I picked up on everything that you said while
I was watching the movie other than the fact that it was like a mirror image of what happened
kind of in Black Panther or I'm sorry in Civil War in Black Panther and I was like I don't
know I think it did it better I think it did a retelling of that story for sure a better
than other retellings have been done so I was I think I'd give it a 90 that's completely
fair like I definitely understand why you'd go that high yeah honestly I have nothing
else to say I agree with everything you guys said and I'm sorry Caleb I have to agree
with DJ how much I do you so fair I'll be wrong about this I don't care you're not wrong
no it's your bitch ass up point alright next up we got effects okay I want your guys's
opinion because I feel this is always something that people either love or hate about the
Black Panther costume did it look to CGI or did it look okay what'd you guys think like
did it look at least better than it did and like how freaking killmonger and T'Challa's
costumes looked in there you mean I'm sorry you mean they're crazy inflatable tube fight
that they had exactly it was much better than that listen like my my no no I was gonna say
like even like when like she had her mask pulled back like honestly I think that looked
better than some other instances I've seen when the Black Panthers had their mask off
dude I will say this I am not a fan of the like the whole nanotech masks I don't disagree
with you but it leaves it open to do cooler stuff like her like when she got to do her
little freaking Mega Man thing whenever she was just like I'm gonna take my cuz that's
that was that was a whole deal right it was like vibranium nanotech or whatever and yeah
I don't know like I thought I thought her suit looked cool I don't know if there was
any like practical ness to that suit in any way but it seemed like there was like I yeah
I was gonna say I don't know if it's like how the spider-man suit was where they just
have dots everywhere and they're like we'll put it in a spider-man suit later but it didn't
look like that like it looked there were moments where she was standing there where it looked
like she was really wearing it whether she was or not I don't know but my high bar for
any movie that has water in it and people are gonna be under it is how they look under
water and I give the effects a 10 because the underwater effects look is it out of 10
or is it out of this one's out of 100 using costumes are out of 10 all right it seems
for some reason it seems crazy to give it a hundred but I'm gonna give it a hundred
because the water looked like it water can just look so bad when you're just underwater
and it just looks terrible like even if you don't even if you don't look terrible sometimes
just the filter of water like it just doesn't look right and I don't I don't recall any
times being like this doesn't this looks like people on a green screen and they just put
some like gels in front of the camera to make it look like they're underwater like it looks
I don't know it all looked really good for being underwater stuff when they clearly probably
weren't yeah I I think they did a really solid job with the underwater effects so like totally
agree with you like if you those have to be done right otherwise it's you they look super
weird and I think if you've I know you said you haven't seen it but the the Aquaman movie
there were definitely times where that was just not done well the only time that I feel
I can kind of excuse Aquaman just a little bit is because that movie takes so much it
takes place underwater so much so I can kind of excuse it a little bit I can understand
where it come from but like I feel that for what they had to accomplish they I feel that
they did the best that they could yeah I think what they did really well with with this movie
is having that they didn't quite do with Aquaman is having people's hair tied up and so it
wasn't like flowing and everything I mean it's you still have like the little strands
here and there that would flow but for the most part everyone's hair was like all done
up or had like some sort of headdress to keep it out of their face or just something along
those lines so all of that looked great I think I feel like Riri's suit needed a little
bit more like texturing to it it felt too smooth and just kind of felt really out of
place as soon as you said something was off I was I immediately thought too smooth 99
did you guys feel it was like because I mean I don't really know how the the suit looks
in the comics but do you feel like it's too bulky yeah because I'm getting like a war
machine vibe when I feel I really should be getting an Iron Man vibe well does she kind
of look like isn't that the whole thing is like because what I've seen of her in the
comic is like you know yes the where the arc reactor would be it looks more like a heart
but isn't like her silhouette at least like with the shoulders supposed to almost kind
of look like a heart too ish I'm looking at the like I just googled her like iron heart
and from what I can tell it's not completely out of the realm of possibility for her to
be that bulky you got to think too it's also technically her mark one that okay that's
a good tech or technically mark two if you want to count the scrubber like original exoskeleton
yeah so the other versions of this suit they she does kind of have shoulders on her okay
but I mean other than that it is like a very like typically very slimming fit she doesn't
quite have an arc reactor which is something I'm starting to notice like she cut she has
one but it's like her power source is more like upper chest yes interesting which is
what I kind of really like it's just like kind of where an arc react we would think
of an arc reactor to be but that's I don't think that's I mean I have no basis on what
I'm about to say but I don't think that's what it is right like it's not supposed to
be an arc reactor right no it's just the power source for her suit so it's like technically
the arc reactor but not but she didn't have like an arc reactor like Tony Stark did but
yeah so it's even like looking at the pictures it just didn't quite feel like it fit in super
well with the rest of the environment so I think I think some even after even after she
was getting like beat up by some Atlanteans like I feel like we needed to see some battle
damage on the suit but it was like almost completely untouched again I feel like that
is like that goes into the like we're just gonna sprint through her being in this movie
like we're we're going to touch the base of Ironheart was in this movie she is not she's
gonna be a part of it in the sense that like she'll be the reason why things kick off but
she's not necessarily gonna have a whole lot to do like if she was not there like I guarantee
they would have been able to hotwire a car and drive away like they didn't need her her
dad's old car old Chevy the beam of power like all right now you're giving a sex position
what are you talking about get the car let's go the most useless scene was when she was
building that that Ironheart suit you're telling me that the janky ass little heart that you
cut out of sheet metal is somehow incorporated in the suit you just built bullshit well that's
what I love about when they incorporate real things into fantasy things because it's guys
like you and I that will see because I've worked with enough things in my life to be
like no you're not going to just use regular human tools and be done with this in an hour
it's just not never gonna happen but it's suspending your disbelief okay no like there
are ways that they could have done that to make me like suspend my disbelief like I I
would have preferred had she done like just been sitting there like modeling it and then
done like the whole 3d printer of it like being like but that's like one of those unfortunately
I feel like one of those like trailer moments because like every that whole section you're
talking about was all up in the trailer like we needed we needed the heart to fall in the
trailer so people would go that hearts made of iron we needed the hammer to hit to be
like oh she hit the iron just like Tony did way back in that cave like it like again it
still feels like there are some things that are done that they do because they think we're
all too stupid to be able to just google just google like who is this person like nope do
you see this heart made of iron do you do you yeah we got it it's iron heart cool I
still don't know who she is really new stark yeah but effects wise I'm not like I'm kind
of around like the typical like Marvel range that I usually am like I'm sitting like 88
listen to me right now what did you did you guys do multiverse of madness yes what did
you give you Caleb what did you give multiverse madness if you don't give this at least one
point higher than that I quit this show because just we're all clear that eyeball at the end
of multiverse of madness should have gotten someone fired he's got a point hold up I'm
I know for a fact we were not nice to that movie okay good okay I do not have the scores
that very can be hold up hold up hold up hold up okay never mind we do have the scores so
just need to find them dr. strange the most person madness I that's what I thought that's
what I thought on reflection why go ahead tell the people tell the people what you gave
it I gave it in 97 and 97 no shit really so you know what you gave it a 95 don't even
I did why why would I give it that high so you guys know what you have to do now you
know DJ's right yeah I mean when you're right you're right 96 yep Caleb I need to hear you
say it I will be going to a 97 is the word you're looking for step no I can't in good
conscious do that I'll go 95 you have to give it at least equal to the multiverse of an
eyeball okay what no I you know I'm going to defend this a little bit I'm sticking with
my 88 because I will not be bullied into giving it a higher score the reason that I gave multi
some madness the score that it did yes the eyeball was atrocious and we definitely ripped
that apart I remember specifically ripping that apart the reason that I gave it in 97
was for everything else that they did oh you mean like silly string read like that despite
how you feel about how you like silly string read still look good yeah I hated that scene
too yeah we didn't like how he died it just it looked realistic like it's a drive to your
respective homes and fight you both all I'm saying is is that this movie deserves at least
equal to the multiverse of madness I don't know I don't know if it does though doesn't
it what part of it doesn't name one part that's half as janky as the one eyeball that was
drawn on by a child to a grown man's head I think the whales kind of look janky you
just were like dude the whales bringing the water grenades was awesome yeah that was because
of the water grenades not the whales how dare you how the mighty have fun you hear this
broker do you hear what you've done no but I'm like I'm taking into consideration like
all of like the multiversal travel that they did in multiverse of madness all of that find
98 but that's as low as I go 98 that's it all right moving on over to music what did
you guys think of this soundtrack I thought I thought was an amazing soundtrack I feel
the first one's movie might have been a little more impactful but I think that's just because
this one is definitely focused more on like the score aspect it didn't like have like
a lot of like upbeat you know like oh let's throw in some like not hip-hop songs but you
know like actual songs with words in them this one really just tried to focus mostly
on just its original soundtrack the the mood that it set with the whole movie honestly
the only song that I actually remember in this was the Rihanna song at the ending and
that was really good too so awesome great soundtrack it did what it needed to do so
I'm at a nine for soundtrack I would say the same thing you said Caleb about the effects
like it's par for the course for MCU stuff like this that is the one thing about the
MCU is they have they have music that is like iconically in the background like if you hear
it you're like oh yeah I guess that is that but like while you're watching it unless it's
like the Avengers theme I feel like it's not really that noticeable I was actually gonna
say an 8.5 I don't know if you guys do point fives but I'll just give it an 8 if that's
the case and I'm only even giving it that high because again when she showed up as the
Black Panther and they made that noise or whatever that happened like that was so good
like that was so good that I thought about giving it a nine but it's I think an eight
is fair and because yeah I mean that that was so good it made me forget that I didn't
even really hear the music before then I was just like whoa we're watching a movie and
this lady could do anything right now that's what that made me feel in that moment is like
is she gonna go like crazy right now and like literally rip some people in half or what
is gonna happen because this doesn't sound this definitely isn't like good guy music
this is what happens when someone's like I'm gonna save a cat out of a tree like some bad
things are about to happen I think yeah I'm on the same page as you DJ I'm sitting at
an eight for the music it was like I know it was good it definitely it definitely did
what it was supposed to like it got it like it paired well with whatever scene they they
had on screen and like yeah the the freaking music for sure he once she was all black panther
eyes like was off the hook yeah I'm trying to if I'm not mistaken you kind of have like
inception like yeah like little like ring in vibes yeah it was like some it wasn't it
wasn't quite the like you know angel trumpet sound of like what is it the seven seven
trumpets of the apocalypse or whatever but it was something adjacent to like it was just
you knew there was bad things about to go down yeah so I really dug that so yeah I'm
sticking at an eight to like just barely not a nine but yeah anyway moving on over to costumes
like most MCU movies the costumes were pretty off the hook yeah what was it what was the
what did they end up calling her whenever they gave was it a koi that they gave the
it was like guardian something oh the midnight angel I don't care listen to me I you guys
are like scoffing at it I actually thought that looked really cool like that to me seemed
like I really liked it that's it looked like something that because I actually looked that
up because I didn't know if that was an actual thing and like it is it seems to be very comic
accurate and like it I could see why you would glance at it and be like this is what is this
but I don't know I thought it looked really cool I liked it a lot I want to look and see
how accurate it was because what did you say it was called the guardian something midnight
angel midnight angel okay the suits no the suits like how they look in the comic I don't
know are questionable like the design is is questionable okay but how they pulled it off
in the movie I don't know if they pulled it off that well like they got the the overall
vibe like I think the suit portion is is awesome it's the the mask is just not doing it for
me I know you don't like that mask I knew I knew you were gonna say that but what I
would say about that mask I think the reason why it almost seems to not fit is like that
that armor seems like it would have been did you guys ever see the movie stargate no well
this looks like it would be more like Egyptian armor that like if you had seen Stargate you
would be like oh yeah I could see I could see that there was a background character
in Stargate wearing this armor like it just looks more Egyptian than it does Wakandan
I would say okay dude you know what this suit reminds me of this is what I imagine Abe Sapien
would look like if he got a predator suit dude that's exactly wow that is the most correct
thing anyone has ever said wow wow I'm looking at it right now that's bananas wait are you
seeing this too Rose look at that look at that face Abe Sapien as a predator get the
hell out of here who Abe Sapien's from Hellboy oh okay that is so nuts all right well there
you did you figured it out that's why it should have been Abe's armor in Hellboy 3 sorry I
messed up yeah a wardrobe you get a two I know I know like despite despite my my my
feelings towards those suits I still think that they like the the suit itself is is awesome
I think it looks cool issue lies in the mask I think I get you but I think it still looks
menacing in a way that if that thing was chasing you at full speed you wouldn't be like you
look decent except for your face like I don't know if I'm afraid of you because your face
looks weird you would be screaming for mercy I think it's it's the predator hair like for
like why would shuri build a suit with hair like that for the Dora Milaje with when they're
all bald women killed that's a great point and I don't like that you made it listen I
like it so can you stop poking holes okay that's okay out of everything though though
that was my only issue costume wise I felt sure he's black panther suit was awesome fit
her very well kind of had it like a mixture of like just a classic sleek black panther
like T'Challa's suit had a little bit of that flair from Killmonger and then just had the
little touches that made it shuri well yeah I had the the her helmet had the same markings
that she had on her face like just her suit was incredible and then I I like how it was
like the middle point in between T'Challa and Killmonger like that was yeah but still
felt very much like her own thing and then I cannot get enough of freaking Namor's suit
like they made Namor look cool and I did not know that that was possible to do like have
you seen what classic Namor looks like no he looks he looks like a freaking he looks
like a Spock in a green speedo yeah like that if you can think of a better description than
Spock in a green speedo like I would love to hear it no dude I that that's as good as
it gets also I'm I would like to explain away the predatorness of what's going on with their
head as who needs capes you know but they still use capes nobody naturally has a cape
there you go I don't know I'm grasping at straws here yeah just a little bit I'm like
that felt like a desperate attempt but yeah like Namor like the way that they made him
look like I love that he had like this big just royal necklace or how I don't even know
how you explain what that is like necklace just kind of seems to doesn't seem like enough
to explain what he had he had a chest showpiece there and then like how he like I love that
they change his might change him to like shorts like like more briefs than anything I don't
know if they ever could have pulled off the speedo no because it was like where they had
those pants that he was wearing was like it didn't seem as weird as it very really was
like if you just saw someone that was like hi I come from underwater and I want to tell
you about something like hey man could you put on a shirt or something but I don't know
if it was just the way that they filmed him or what but it didn't seem like awkward whenever
he was just standing there and basically just his boxers yeah that's true
yeah yeah have you seen the newest season of Rick and Morty
like the first maybe handful of episodes okay so you know the Mr. Nimbus episode I think
that's like the first episode of the wait is it are they on season five or six they're
on season five okay so this would have been like season four then oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yes that's how I imagine like old school name or yeah
but that's like old school name or but yeah I think they made him like very intimidating
gave him like a really good look and like even with something as goofy as the the freaking
little wings on his ankle like all of that looked freaking awesome and speaking of when
he when shuri freaking clawed the shit out of his ankle wings like I don't know why but
my like I had phantom ankle yeah my ankle started to hurt like I do I guess we'll find
out but are those supposed to grow back or is he just is he just flying with a limp now
um as far as I'm aware I think he has a healing factor it's just not like super fast so maybe
he's gonna like Winnie the Pooh his like tiny Deadpool hand his wings oh bother oh bother
but I I dug these these costumes so I don't know about you guys but I'm at a very solid
ten this even like that's even taken into consideration the midnight angel suit the
suit like I said suit cool helmet now yeah I'll still give it a ten but I disagree yes
I feel also it really brings it to a ten for me is just I mean it was the same in the first
one but what the Wakandans wear just oh my gosh dude freaking incredible like they're
costume people are working like beyond overtime seriously absolutely agree like I love how
detailed they're like the fabrics are right straight up all right last up we got our own
personal scores for it so many wants to go first sure okay so overall this is a great
sequel like we talked like I mentioned earlier and I believe DJ and Caleb agree with me
it's definitely going to be a lot harder to come back to this one compared to the first
one just because this one is a lot more emotional to watch it's a lot harder to get through
and that's not a bad thing it's just because you're gonna lose your you're gonna be shedding
a lot of tears but like I said that's not a bad thing that's what makes it a great sequel
because Ryan what's Ryan Coogler right yeah he understood the assignment of where he needed
to take the sequel after Tawuk Boseman's passing and he did it flawlessly and it was just so
perfect such a great sequel I loved every minute of it I hardly have anything bad to
say about the sequel that such a great Marvel sequel so I'm gonna go a 93 I mean I'll go
next unless you want to go kill him no how about it yeah I I guess we're close to soulmates
because I was going to go with it 95 because it's just I don't know this is I don't know
this is a good movie that I it's funny because after we saw it I was like I need to go watch
this movie again before I do this podcast because just a just because I want to see
the movie again but be like I don't know it's not they're not I feel bad saying this there
are not a lot of movies that I want to see twice anymore like for the most part I'm like
I've seen it I guy get the picture if I needed to know anything out of this then YouTube
or tik-tok will tell me I don't need to imbibe this whole thing into me again but for being
a two hour and 41 minute movie that was a lot sad like intensely sad and just sad sad
yeah I don't know I actually look forward to watching this movie again like I want to
watch Black Panther and then I want to watch this because even though I know that's not
the chronological order of how things happen like I just want to see what these movies
feel like watching them back to back so I don't know I yeah yeah 95 yeah yeah couldn't
agree more I'm personally sitting at a 94 I had an absolutely amazing time seeing this
movie I love when a movie can affect my emotions as heavily as this one did and I feel like
they they handled handled the passing of Chadwick Boseman expertly like they addressed it kind
of gave everyone a little bit of closure in a way like for those of us that that needed
it and shared a really good story of grief and the search for vengeance and and all this
while giving us a really amazing superhero film along with it so yeah like I said sitting
at a solid 94 and with that that concludes this week's breakdown so going through the
scores starting off with our story it is sitting at a very strong 91 writing is a little bit
higher sitting at a solid 94 acting a little higher than that at a 95 the character development
drop down and is unfortunately our lowest score which is sitting at an 88.6 the effects
jumps up again sitting at a 94 despite my best efforts the music is sitting at a very
strong 8 and that's mostly due to Rihanna's original song for this film costumes no surprise
10 this is actually like our longest streak of tens like black Adam then weird then this
yeah all tens and then our personal score ended up averaging out to a 94 so that brings
the all bros and untrained I letter grade for Black Panther Wakanda forever to N a
minus a yeah very very strong score there and I I'm just like kind of sneaking a peek
at where it's sitting like within the MCU ranking and I was I'm excited to talk about
that by getting into everything like all the like what else it's like compared to like
our other a minus movies it is so it is sitting at a 92.77% so out of all of our a minus movies
it's our fifth one okay so I think it's got a fairly decent home so right now it is below
in Kanto which is at a 92.81 it is below Infinity War which is at a 92.93 it is below room which
is adding 93.06 and then it is below war of the planet of the apes which is adding 93.12
then go in the opposite direction it is sitting above last night in Soho which is adding 92.62
this is going to be controversial it is sitting above spider-man into the spider-verse whoa
I've never even seen that movie and that seems crazy so that one's sitting at a 92.59 then
it is above pulp fiction which is adding 92.43 as well as Joker the Bob's Burgers movie and
Elv nope just Joker and the Bob's Burgers movies which are both sitting at a 92.37 I
don't think that's that yeah controversial especially the Joker always or the Joker movie
always holds a very strange place in my heart I uh that's a movie for other reasons I'll
probably never watch again yeah from same here I think the big controversial one would
was end of the spider-verse that's wild like who was that was that done just you two or
was Vic part of that um so that was one that we did prior to our current ranking system
and then we came back and did all of like the old ones so this that one was a compilation
of multiple people's scores hmm like me and Vic are gonna have to come back together and
uh fix that oh so you so go lower on the list I'm sorry Vic all right so in our MCU
rankings like you guys freaking ready for this no like shenanigans please oh shit hold
on why is it not sorry the filters being weird I also want to know once we find this out
what your current top two and bottom two movies are if it so pleases the court all right so
right now our top MCU movie is spider-man no way home followed very closely by Avengers
endgame and infinity war and Wakanda forever has taken our fourth place spot after that
it is the Eternals really yep yeah I mean I I like I was actually shocked at how much
I like the eternal like just from what I heard about it I really expected for it to just
be a frickin I was just stoked that Kumail was in a Marvel movie so I was like I felt
destined to like it even if it was trash and it was good like I liked it yeah so Eternals
then Shang-Chi and the legend of the ten rings then Doctor Strange in the multiverse of madness
then of then the first Avengers then Black Widow then far from home then the first Black
Panther and Captain Marvel Spider-Man homecoming Avengers age of Ultron Thor Ragnarok Thor
11 thunder and then at the very bottom Ant-Man and the Wasp wow can I just tell you did not
expect Ant-Man and the Wasp to be that far down did expect Thor 11 thunder to be that
far down just saw it for the first time this past weekend yikes a Rooney like it wasn't
yeah it wasn't terrible but damn it's on like what yeah yeah dude so Ant-Man and the Wasp
I think it was originally sitting around like like with just our scores for it was sitting
somewhere around like a B maybe a B minus but yeah but but Ant-Man and the Wasp was
one that we did a like we had people like collaborate with us on that one and that was
one that like divided a lot of people so that's why the scores for that are so low really
were all the people Brucker was he just like bad decision bad decision funny enough like
some of the people like a couple of the people that did that were like have a podcast I listened
to like a Marvel versus DC and it was like yeah I thought their their opinions were very
harsh I mean yeah that's odd I didn't I don't know maybe I'm just blinded by what's his
face Paul Rudd because I love that dude so I don't know maybe that movie is that bad
and I just can't see it because of Paul Vision yeah I am very excited to get all these other
MCU movies like ranked so we have like an official like list I think I think I know
the answer to this but are you guys going to incorporate any of the television programs
into that no I figured not but gotta ask you know because if we get a hot guy would be
at the top of the list I'm just gonna say listen a hot guy was great like hot guy was
great like it would be hard out of the shows right now to say which one would be number
one I know which one would be number last sadly I'll let you come to your own conclusions
on that surprisingly though I would there to me there's a fight between she Hulk and
Loki for number one out of the shows in my mind anyway Dave Rose absolutely disagrees
with you Rose did not like Loki really what was the what was the main thing you did not
like about Loki if you had to give if you had to say one thing that you're like if they
had just changed this I might be willing to reconsider I really did not like the character
Sylvie I would have preferred if it just focused on Tom Hiddleston's Loki I listen to me I
liked her but I actually don't disagree with that I did enjoy her character but I technically
she is Loki Rose okay okay okay okay okay okay if it didn't have her Loki then it'd
be a lot better if it was just OG Loki I'd be cool with that I can't argue with that
I can't argue with that yeah so anyway that's where this movie sits I'm surprised it got
it's our like new number four yeah I do like because our top three is are really are going
to be really hard to replace oh yeah what was number five now so what did it knock out
of number four sorry no you're good I mean turtles is number five now right yeah or no
oh wait what the shit hold on I messed something up oh my god I hit delete all I think we'd
have a heart attack right on screen yeah so the top five is no way home end game infinity
war Wakanda forever and Eternals okay so it didn't it did knock Eternals out again crazy
to me that Eternals got so high an Ant-Man and the Wasp got so low because I don't disagree
with the Eternals one is what I'm saying well like I tried I tried taking made sense yeah
I tried taking like I had to go based off of the score like our scores alone like our
far from home scores on here is not including the scores you and Vic gave like this is just
between like me and Rose yeah but Ant-Man and the Wasp was one that I didn't have a
record of what me and Rose gave it versus what the other people gave it so I'm just
that might be one that we have to re-explore too I'm so down yeah like all the other ones
like our ones that I'm like okay this was like definitively like what we gave it but
Ant-Man and the Wasp was just one that I could not find the scores for yeah because honestly
like it sucks because I like Chris Hemsworth like and I like Thor the character but man
those movies are not doing that character enough justice not even a little bit by the
way talk about compared to Wakanda forever what a terrible ending love and thunder they're
just like hey everybody we're love and I'm thunder and we're gonna rock your pants off
like no I would be genuinely shocked if Taika Waititi is invited back to the Thor 5 shocked
I see what you did there yeah no he farted up the place with that one yeah yeah all right
well I would say that concludes this week's episode DJ would you like to let everybody
know where they can find you yes I would you can find me behind your door in the show you
shadows don't close it or I'll jump out and get you I'm in your backseat broker no it
you're already listening to a podcast right now just go while you're listening to me right
now I'm giving you time go open your phone go to your search bar type in the untrained
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you want to do that but the untrained I goes into our podcast dragging the table I do that
one too but you know don't listen to the first couple anyway that's it all I got I think
all right well if you like what you heard from us as well as you know DJ and I mean
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our question of the week I don't know why I brought that up because we don't do it really
anymore so yeah sorry if you could have in my know if you have two Thor Ragnarok's that
leave the station at the same time but one Ragnarok is traveling 36 miles an hour and
the other love and thunder is traveling 76 miles an hour when will they intersect and
become one good movie instead of one good movie and one terrible terrible movie I know
it's where the dark world becomes the best Thor movie and that's when the heat death
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