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This week on the podcast we got one item in 4k spotlight and boy is it a good one.
I'm so excited to pick this one up on 4k.
We got nothing for through the wall.
It's kind of a dry week.
So after that we'll be moving on to our headliner which will be our breakdown of Ant-Man and
the Wasp, Quantumania.
So Caleb, what do you say we get started?
I say let's do it.
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Alright, so getting started with 4k spotlight.
This week we got Puss in Boots, The Last Wish.
The sequel that arguably is better than the first Puss in Boots.
So, so freaking good.
And if you guys want to hear our review of that be sure to check out our episode of that
that came out a couple weeks ago.
Or I guess like, what, like two?
Oh, has it been a couple weeks or has it been like a month or so now?
It hasn't been too long.
It's actually been a while.
Oh, okay.
Let's see, it's one, two, three, seven weeks.
Okay, shit.
Oh, I didn't know it was that long.
Yeah, it's been a hot minute.
But anyway, so unfortunately it's not getting any exclusives.
It feels like this is the way that DreamWorks is now.
It sucks.
Oh wait, I just lied.
Never mind.
I'm like all scrolling through blu-ray.com and all of a sudden a Target exclusive pops
up.
But okay, so there's not going to be any steelbook or anything, but at Target there's going to
be a version that comes with a 40 page filmmaker gallery book.
Now it's only available on the blu-ray.
There's no 4k exclusive for that.
I don't think, no offense, I don't really care enough about that to just buy it on blu-ray.
I will definitely be getting the 4k of this one.
I'm so freaking, son of a bitch, there's another exclusive.
I thought there wasn't any.
Ain't that the shit?
Dude, this is freaking bullshit.
Where, where the hell is this limited edition gift set going?
Okay, I guess this isn't going anywhere, but I guess if you want to get the limited edition
gift set, it includes the movie and Puss in Boots and Parosqueeze toys.
So I guess it includes, I guess it includes cat, I don't know if these are supposed to
be cat toys or dog toys.
Or both.
Or maybe they're just toys, I have no idea.
But wouldn't it make sense to make them dog and cat toys for a movie like this?
You would think.
I think that'd be a really cool option where it's like one of them has a cat toy and the
other has a dog toy.
Yeah, that'd be really cool.
But I don't know if it's either of those or if it's just toys.
But as far as I can see, and I swear to, I swear if there's another exclusive that I'm
missing I'm going to lose my shit.
Okay, there is nothing.
So it's just those two exclusives and then the regular Blu-ray and 4K.
And I will absolutely be picking up the 4K of that.
But there is actually, sorry Caleb, I know I do this often, I missed one new release
coming out.
It's that, do you have a comment?
Yeah, I was just going to say you son of a bitch.
Shut up.
You do this every freaking week.
I don't do it every week.
I only do it every once in a while.
There's maybe been a handful of times where you haven't.
You know what, you can kiss my ass.
Anyway, so the other big new release coming out is the Whitney Houston biopic, Whitney
Houston I Want to Dance with Somebody, which I never saw.
I don't even know if a lot of people saw it.
I don't think it did that well at the box office.
But I heard it was decent.
Yeah, I hear those usually, those biopics usually are typically pretty solid.
Yeah, it's very rare that one sucks.
So if you want to pick that up, that is also coming to Blu-ray this week.
No 4K of that, so just a Blu-ray of that.
But so that is all of the 4Ks coming out this week.
And I apologize that I missed that one.
You should be.
Kiss my ass.
Anywho, what do you say we move on to our...
Since there's no... god damn it, I'm already screwing this up.
Since there's nothing to talk about for Through the Wall, what do you say we move on to our
headliner?
Say let's do it.
Alright so for this week's headliner, we will be breaking down Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantum
Media.
So Caleb, do you want to let people know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you're new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final All Bros letter grade.
This letter grade gives us a percentage to compare this movie of... or to kind of give
us a ranking, but the letter grade is the most important thing just so we have an idea
of where to group this movie in.
So the eight categories that we score...
I kind of jacked that up a little bit too.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up in our algorithm and spit out a letter grade
for us to compare for movies of a similar grade, as well as a percentage that will give
us an official ranking.
So if you have not seen Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantum Mania, it is still pretty fresh in
theaters, at least as of our current recording.
Literally, it's only been in theaters for what, like five days?
Yeah, not too long.
So if you've not seen it, definitely go check it out and then come back and listen to this.
Spoilers galore.
Yeah.
So if you don't want the beginning of Phase 5 to be spoiled, stay away for the time being.
Yeah.
Definitely come back and listen, but avoid.
So if you listen past this point and have not seen the new MCU movie, it is your own
damn fault that anything is spoiled for you.
Yep.
Hell yeah.
Well now, let's enter my favorite segment, or everyone else's favorite segment, it ain't
my favorite segment.
Reading with Rose, with two E's.
All right.
During her days of entrapment in the Quantum Realm, Janet Van Dyne encounters Kang, an
exiled traveler who claims they can both escape from the realm if she can help him rebuild
the Multiversal Power Core.
After they manage to repair it, Janet sees a vision of Kang conquering and destroying
entire timelines.
Kang reveals he was exiled by his own variants out of fear, which drives Janet to turn on
him.
Outmatched, Janet uses her Pym Particles to enlarge the Power Core and render it unusable.
In the present day, after the Battle of Earth, Scott Lang has become a successful memoirist
and has been living happily with his girlfriend Hope Van Dyne.
Scott's now teenage daughter Cassie has become a political activist, resulting in her spending
some time in jail before being bailed out by her father.
While visiting Hope's parents, Hank Pym and Janet, Cassie reveals that she has been working
on a device that can make contact with the Quantum Realm.
Upon learning of this, Janet panics and forcefully shuts off the device, but the message is received,
resulting in a portal that opens and pulls the five of them into the Quantum Realm.
Scott and Cassie are found by natives who are rebelling against their ruler, while Hope,
Janet, and Hank explore a sprawling city to get answers.
Hope, Janet, and Hank meet with Lord Krylar, a former ally of Janet's, who reveals that
things have changed since she left, and that he is now working for Kang, who is now the
realm's ruler.
The three are forced to flee and steal Krylar's ship.
The Langs, meanwhile, are told by rebel leader Jentora that Janet's involvement with Kang
is indirectly responsible for his rise to power.
The rebels soon come under attack by Kang's forces led by Modoc, who is revealed to be
Darren Cross, having survived his apparent death at Scott's hands.
The Langs are taken to Kang, who demands that Scott helps get his power core back, or else
he will kill Cassie.
Scott is taken to the core's location and shrinks down.
He is nearly drowned in a sea of variants of himself, but Hope arrives and helps him
acquire the power core.
However, Kang reneges on the deal, capturing Janet and destroying her ship with Hank on
it.
After being rescued by his aunts, who were also pulled into the Quantum Realm, rapidly
evolved and became hyper-intelligent, Hank helps Scott and Hope as they make their way
to Kang.
Cassie rescues Jentora and they commence an uprising against Kang and his army.
During the fight, Cassie appeals to Cross and convinces him to turn sides and fight
Kang, though he sacrifices his life in the process.
Janet fixes the power core as she, Hank, Hope, and Cassie jump through a portal home, but
Kang attacks Scott, nearly beating him into submission.
Hope returns and, together with Scott, destroys the power core and not Kang into it, causing
him to be pulled into oblivion.
Cassie reopens the portal on her end for Scott and Hope to return home.
As Scott happily resumes his life, he begins to rethink what he was told about Kang's
death, being the start of something terrible happening, but brushes it off.
In a mid-credit scene, numerous variants of Kang meet to discuss the Conqueror's death
and plan their uprising, concerned by the increasing interest in the multiverse by the
heroes of Earth-616.
In a post-credit scene, Loki and Mobius locate another Kang variant named Victor Timely on
Earth in the 1900s.
This is going to be a really tough breakdown for me, at least, because there are so many
issues I have with this and it's kind of been hard to figure out where to place them.
That's, like, honestly, I feel you there.
I mean, like, my biggest problem was definitely Modok, I'm not gonna lie.
But there are, like, other problems I have, like, spilled throughout the movie.
But I don't know about you.
We're definitely getting into Modok.
Yeah.
I don't know about you, but this...
I can't decide if this is my favorite of the trilogy.
It's either this or the second one.
Dungenbrough, I really like the first Ant-Man, but I just love so much when they brought
in the Wasp that she, like, makes the movies that she's in my favorites.
So I can't decide if it's the second or third, but it's, like, close.
Dude, it was almost difficult for me to think, like, why are you calling this Ant-Man and
the Wasp?
Like, this is more Ant-Man and Stinger.
Yeah, right?
Yeah, seriously.
And that sucks because, frickin', not only is her costume in this movie so comic accurate,
it's incredible.
Like, oh my god, it's amazing.
But how can you waste such an amazing talent as Evangeline Lilly?
She is so good as Hope Van Dyen and she's just pushed to the side.
Yeah.
It was unfortunate, for sure.
Oh, man.
Dude, like, just starting off, and I think this is...
Actually, I think it's more of a writing issue.
The pacing of this movie felt really off.
Like, did you feel that they, like...
Because I don't know about you, like, I kind of wanted to catch up with Scott and the rest
of the family a little more before they entered the quantum realm, because I literally felt
it was less than five minutes and then all of a sudden they're getting sucked in.
I'm like, god damn, that was fast.
I'll definitely agree with you there.
It did feel really quick, but I feel like, I think that's maybe what was lacking between
the new Cassie and Scott.
Like, for those of you that don't know, Cassie got, or at least older Cassie, got recast
from the actress that played her in Avengers Endgame.
And so, I mean, she got replaced by Katherine Newton, and Katherine Newton is an amazing
actress.
Like, there hasn't been a single thing that she's been in that I've disliked, that I know
of.
The only one that I can think of, and it's not even her fault, because she's the only
good part of it, is Paranormal Activity 4.
Yes.
She is the only good part of that movie.
Yeah, just going through her IMDB real quick.
Friggin, the map of Tiny Perfect Things was good, Freaky was good, Detective Pikachu was
good, Blockers was good.
There's not been a lot that she's been bad at.
Like, the only thing that stands out is Paranormal Activity 4.
But she's an amazing actress, and it's just, the chemistry wasn't there.
Like, there was chemistry.
Like, don't get me wrong, but it just didn't feel quite father-daughter.
Yeah, I feel if we could have gotten as emotional scene as we did in Endgame with the actress
that played her there, I feel I could have maybe...
Well, I don't know, did we get any, like, considering that he kept calling her, god,
what was her nickname?
Peanut.
To him?
Peanut.
Did you feel that there were any, like, emotional moments, like, truly that were, like, very
emotional between those two compared to, let's say, the Avengers Endgame scene when she sees
him for the first time in five years?
In this movie, no.
They had...
Like, there was...
The only moment that stands out where it was just, like, really intense and, like, super,
like, hyperprotective, like, that fatherly, paternal protection mode is when Kang had
Cassie caught in, like, this telepathic grip and he was just like, I will murder her and
keep her in that loop until you beg me to kill you.
Like, oh shit.
Yeah, I thought...
That was insane.
Yeah, so, I mean, Scott's reaction to that and Paul Rudd, for goodness sake, just sold
it.
That was, like, flawless.
It's just the emotional moments just didn't quite hit super hard, which sucked.
It does.
I mean, don't worry.
I loved her in this movie.
She did a great job.
But just, yeah, it didn't feel like the father-daughter connection that I wanted.
I feel it's still the strongest in the first two just because of the young actress that
played her.
She was absolutely incredible.
Honestly, I just hate, like, this is nothing against Katherine Newton.
Up and coming star, I can understand why they recast her.
They wanted a big name star to play Cassie considering that I'm sure Cassie's going
to be a very integral part of the MCU movies going forward.
But the way that the original actress found out from Endgame that she had been recast
with, I think was at, like, a Disney stock meeting or some shit like that, that when
they were announcing a whole bunch of things for phase five and they were talking about
Ant-Man and the Lost Quantumania and I think they announced Jonathan Ma- well, wait, no,
I'm sorry, Jonathan Majors wasn't announced till solid Comic Con.
But they were talking about it and they mentioned, oh yeah, Katherine Newton will play Cassie
Lang in this one.
And I'm sure the girl was just like, the hell?
What about me?
So I'm just a one-off?
Okay.
They freaking did her dirty.
They did.
And I feel so bad for her.
Cause she did a really good job, but she did it, like, at least for the small part that
we saw her in, like, she did really good.
She did good.
Like, I'm sorry, I hate to keep you-
I think she has a better look than Katherine Newton.
Like, she kind of has like a Paul Rudd look about her face.
I think what they were wanting is because, I think I read somewhere that they felt that
the actress that played her in Endgame for the five-year time jump, considering how Cassie
was still pretty young.
And how old was Cassie in Ant-Man 2?
Do you know by chance?
I have no idea.
She had to be like, like barely like, what, like 10 or 12?
Maybe?
So if we're looking at that, cause that takes place literally right before Infinity War,
jumping her to five years, that would put her around her like 18, like around like 17,
18, or like maybe early like almost 20.
So I feel, and this is just assumption I'm assuming with Marvel, is that they wanted,
and I'm not saying the actress looks old, but I'm sure that they wanted someone that
maybe looked a little younger for the age that they were going for with Cassie in this
one.
I mean maybe, like that's the only excuse I can come up with cause she has the look about
her.
Yes, yeah, no, she actually looked like she could have been Paul Rudd's kid.
Yeah, I'm looking through, it doesn't look like she's done anything like action wise.
So I mean, maybe, like that better have been it.
Cause like if they hired her, or if they didn't go with her because of whatever bullshit reason,
like if they just went, oh she looks a little too old, like that's the only thing that I
would accept.
Yeah.
But I mean she still pulls off like pretty young, easy.
Yeah.
Like I'm looking at pictures of her, she was at the Far From Home premiere, and I mean
she does look like older than maybe she did in Endgame.
But yeah, I think the only thing that was lacking there was just, between them was chemistry.
But I think that's more of a writing issue than anything.
I think my main issues were the way that the story was edited.
Once they got to the Quantum Realm, it kept jumping back and forth between Cassie and
Scott and the Pims.
In a really janky ways too.
Dude, like seriously though, cause we go like such a long time with the Pims, and then it
would jump back to Cassie and Scott for literally only a couple of minutes, and then jump right
back to the Pims and we'd be spending like another 15-20 minutes with them.
Yeah, like it was so odd because you see Scott and Cassie get taken by these people, and
then we go to the Pims for a little bit, doing whatever their thing is doing, and then it
jumps back to Scott and Cassie, and then they're in a whole new situation.
It's like dark outside, so you have to think that a significant amount of time has passed.
Then they have this weird scene where they're taking Scott to drink this ooze, so he doesn't
know what it's all about.
But you see Cassie say, drink the ooze, and then it jumps back to the Pims for a little
bit.
And then, actually it cuts to the Pims for a long time, and then it cuts back to Scott,
and then he drinks the ooze real quick and has a conversation.
I'm like, what?
Just freaking cut them together.
Yeah, exactly.
You could have done this in one freaking go.
You could have just been with the Pims, or Cassie and Scott get captured.
Go to the Pims.
Get everything done with the Pims to the point where it's like, okay, now we have a vehicle,
or now we have a mode of transportation, let's go.
Then they go on their merry way, and then boom, right back to Scott and Cassie doing
their thing.
It's not that freaking hard.
No, it is not.
But you had to do some weird jumps.
Knock it off.
And then, my big issue, the biggest issue I had with this movie, the stakes were so
minimal.
Yeah.
At least they were.
Okay, don't get me wrong.
Did I think that they were going to beat Kang?
Yes.
I had every assumption that, yeah, Kang is not going to make it through this.
There's a multiverse of Kang the Conquerors.
They kind of have that figured out.
I was kind of disappointed, though, that he didn't make it out and they killed him, because
I love this variant so much of him.
Yeah.
It's difficult.
Because it almost...
I don't know.
I had such mixed feelings about it, because it's like, okay, this version of Kang, super
dope.
But I feel like it made sense, like him being defeated.
But my issue lied with the ending.
So what Kang's trying to do is he's trying to transport his entire empire that he is
created within the Quantum Realm back to Earth.
Or he's trying to bring it with him.
And then Scott and everyone jacks that process up.
So he's just trying to take...
It gets to the point where he's just trying to take whatever he can.
And Cassie and Hank and all of them are able to open a portal back to Earth.
They're going to jump through it and then basically just shut it down.
So Kang can't escape.
So what ends up happening is this portal is up.
Everyone's jumping through because they think Kang's been defeated and he comes out of the
woodwork trying to jump through the portal.
Because he's just like, at least I'll get back on track.
I'll freaking figure it out once I get out.
But he's trying to force himself to get out of the Quantum Realm.
And Scott and him have a big old fight.
And I think it just kind of cheapened that whole line.
The, oh, I don't have to win.
You just have to lose deal.
Because it's like, but you both didn't lose, Scott.
This is how I thought the ending was going to go.
I thought it was going to be Scott and Kang just duking it out.
And then Wasp was going to come in last second and they were going to kick Kang's ass together.
Like defeat him however you wanted to defeat him.
But it was going to cost the portal being closed.
Yeah.
And honestly, I feel that would have been a very good character moment for both Scott
and Hope.
Like Hope truly showing that she loves Scott.
Yeah.
I mean, she did.
But it would have made it even more impactful.
Dude, freaking exactly.
And this is like where, this is like something that I probably would have addressed.
Because you got to think, that would have been him sacrificing even more time with Cassie
to bring on this, to pull this win in.
And like just kind of sacrificing his own personal wants and desires for the world or
for the universe at large.
And I think if you wanted to kind of go the quote unquote cheap route, I think you could
have had Cassie and Hope jump back through the portal and have them all been stuck together
in the Quantum Realm.
And then have Hank and Janet working on trying to figure out how to get them out of the Quantum
Realm.
I don't think, because it was so cheap, because it's like Hank and, or not Hank, Scott and
Hope, they like they defeat Kang, like suck him into this machine or whatever and basically
kill him.
And then they are just standing at the top of this ruined tower and staring off into
the Quantum Realm while people are cheering because Kang's been defeated.
And I started feeling like really heavy because I'm like, oh my gosh, they're stuck there.
Like it's kind of a really seldom defeat.
And then it's like, do portal opens, they jump back through, everything's fine with
the world.
And I'm like, this is bullshit.
There's no stakes, god damn it.
Yeah, that's exactly what my problem was.
Dude, I'll bet you, I wonder if that was the original plan.
But maybe Marvel's just like, yeah, I don't know if we're going to be able to make an
Ant-Man 4.
So if you could make this to be like a happy ending, that'd be great.
Dude, I would have told them to go kick turds.
Dude, yeah, I would have too.
Like, comic books don't have happy endings all the time.
Yes, no they do not.
Like and you proved, like it's like Marvel, you're stepping on your own foot.
Like you have proven that happy endings don't have to happen.
Are you kidding me?
Do you think freaking Infinity War ended happy?
That was a massive box office success.
That is still probably the most like, the most shocked I've ever left the cinema.
And it probably always will be.
Oh yeah.
Because I don't think any of us thought that Thanos was actually going to win.
I'll tell you, I didn't.
Same here.
Or at least I didn't expect him to get all of the stones in Infinity War.
I thought it was going to be he gets a certain amount in Infinity War and then in Avengers
4 he got the rest.
I did not expect him to get all of them in one go.
Yeah, and you think Endgame ended happy?
That ending was so bittersweet.
Yeah.
Like there, you have proven you do not need a happy ending.
This movie did not need a happy ending.
No, I would have been fine if it ended with Scott and Hope being stuck in the Quantum
Realm.
It would have been a very good character moment for both.
Yeah, exactly.
Like I would have personally preferred if they did something like, because I mean obviously
like you, I don't think you'd want to take Scott away from Cassie again, but you don't
have to reunite them like in person.
I think you could have done, like she had the Quantum Satellite situation that she had
set up.
You could have just had it so they could communicate with each other via hologram or whatever.
There you go.
And they kind of had a similar ending where maybe they're like celebrating her birthday
and it's just Scott in hologram form or whatever.
Like you could have done something else.
They ruined the stakes of their own movie.
And I'm just like, I felt so cheated when I left or when I saw that.
I was just like, they could have ended this so much better.
Yeah.
What's funny is like when they were doing that, like once Hope came back through and
you know, dinner thing and the portal closed, like in the back of my mind, I'm just like,
they're going to find a way to open back up.
I just know it.
I know they're not going to end it like this.
I had such high hopes that they weren't going to.
Oh, same here.
No, I didn't want it to open either.
I was so worried.
I was just like the way that they shot that scene where it like you kind of see what's
happening behind them.
I was just like, oh no, oh no, like don't, don't do it.
Don't do it.
And then the portal opened.
I'm like, shit.
The fact that like also irritates me is they went through so much to get the portal open
while they were in the quantum realm.
And the fact that how much, you know, Janet said of how she hates connecting with the
quantum realm, you know, it's, it's just a disaster waiting to happen.
The fact that they were able to just open it back up so quickly and then close it again
without any repercussions whatsoever.
Bullshit.
Right?
Yeah.
And I thought the whole, the only way that they were able to fricking open it in the
first place was because they were attached to that multiversal battery.
Yeah.
That's what I thought too.
And I was like, okay, so that's destroyed.
So like that's, it's like they set up all these, these pieces for it to be like, oh
yeah, they're stuck in the quantum realm now.
Yeah.
Frickin they went against their own logic.
Like it, I sorely disappointed with, with that, like so fricking disappointed.
And yeah.
Um, I guess I'll save it for, I'll save what I have to say next about like with writing.
Um, my question is where, what category, cause I, I don't know if like we want to work it
in story.
Or do we want to talk about Modoc in that?
That's exactly what I was thinking.
I think it's, I think my issues with him were writing, but they were mostly in effects,
but I think my issues with Modoc were not story related.
It was all writing related.
Okay.
I can agree.
So yeah.
Frickin Modork.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Um, so what would you give the story for this?
Um, I was telling Caleb this, like I walked out of this movie, like way more, uh, like
hap, like I actually walked out of this movie, like saying I had a good time on like Thor
11th Thunder and it was because of the story.
Um, but like we pointed out the ending kind of ruins it for that because there could have
been some amazing character moments, but we were, we were robbed of that.
Um, so, uh, I don't know.
Like, oh God damn it.
I think I'm at like a 79.
I see you're being nice to this movie.
No, I gotta make sure I make it in my mission.
It's getting higher than love and thunder.
I, I'm, I'm kidding.
I'm not giving it like super low.
I'm giving it lower than you.
I'm giving it a 76.
That's completely fair, dude.
I completely get it.
Yeah.
I think they just jacked up too much with the story trying to like, trying to force
in this happy ending with us.
It's just, it was unnecessary.
Yeah.
Like movie, comic book movies at, or at least fricking anthologies or anthology might not
be the right word.
This, the saga of movies where we know that there's are multiple movies within this phase
and ultimately leading to the ultimate big bad.
Every movie does not have to have a happy ending.
Yes.
Thank you.
Like it just doesn't.
If it, if you can make it a happy ending without it being like shoe horned in, like go for
it.
But it doesn't have to end that way every single time.
Like, especially if you have plans for Ant-Man down the line, like, which speaking of, we
didn't, we don't even know if Ant-Man's coming back.
Like we know Kang is.
Yeah.
That's dude.
They better bring Paul.
I'm okay.
Like I'm okay.
And there's nothing against Hank and Hope.
I love not Hank and Hope.
I'm sorry, Hank and Janet.
I love them.
They're amazing, but I would be okay if they never, if we never saw them again, it's Scott
and Hope that I really hope we see again because I love these two together so much.
I think that'd be a really tough sell.
Like I mean, you know that we saw them in or without Hank and Janet in end game.
Yes.
So, I mean, that's not really an issue there.
It's just seeing them in any capacity outside of like the family unit would kind of be tough,
especially with how tight knit everyone seems to be.
Which is awesome.
I love that.
Yeah.
All right.
Getting into writing.
The humor with this was pretty decent.
It was.
Not like, I actually laughed at this movie unlike Thor, Love, and Thunder.
Yeah.
There were some definite gems within this movie.
And this is where I'll say there were times where Modok was genuinely terrifying.
I don't know if I ever found him terrifying, honestly.
There was like one time where he's like facing, I think it's like when he's going up against
Hank in the ship and he's like kind of comes out of nowhere and has his like the saws coming
out and like kind of getting pissed off or going towards Cassie and like wanting to attack
like when he first appears.
Like he it's kind of scary, but they cheapen the shit out of him because of the jokes that
they made.
Dude, like.
Like they didn't get a single serious moment out of him.
No, dude.
And even like the freaking like whole as he's like dying, the whole like, I always can't
you sit or do a brother, Scott.
I'm just like, this is total bullshit.
I guess you're I get you're going for a joke, but this isn't funny.
They shared how many scenes together.
Yeah, it's freaking stupid.
God, I hate that this character was done so dirt, not Modok himself.
I mean, Modok was done very dirty in this movie, but the character of shit.
What was Yellow Jackets name?
Darren.
It sucks that his character has done so dirty in this movie because I love him as the villain
in the first day.
Man, he is so freaking good.
So the fact that he's just turned into the butt of the joke in this whole freaking movie
pisses me off.
I get that he's I get that he's not the same Darren, but still, dude, I it's just they
didn't give us any time with him as like a badass.
No, every time that he was on screen, it turned into a joke.
Eventually, like his first introduction, like when he comes like pounding through all these
buildings and taking out the weaponry like that was pretty sick with his but he's like
wearing his mask and it's not until he takes it off that everyone's just like then he turns
into a freaking joke.
I don't know about your screening, but that was probably when he first and they first
unveiled it.
The hardest joke that hit in this whole movie and it's not even supposed to be that funny,
but people were freaking dying the first time his helmet came up for how he looked.
Yeah, it was.
We will be discussing that look.
Like it took a minute to get used to it because I was telling Caleb that like in the trailers,
at least to me, it made it look like it was his face projected on a screen.
I didn't know that it was straight up his whole big head.
I mean, at least with that, you know, like they actually got like it actually like more
so looks like Modoc that way.
Still, it's so freaking bad.
Oh, good Lord.
Just in the whole freaking like joke of like, Darren, just don't be a dick and like how
they turn that into I'm not going to die being a dick.
And that's how he is avenged or just it's so freaking stupid.
Okay, I will say that bit was freaking hilarious to me.
When Cassie first said it or when he kept saying it?
No.
So, okay, when he died and was like announcing, I'm not going to die.
Like yeah, that was freaking dumb.
But when him and Cassie were fighting and she she's just like, just like, don't be a
dick, dude.
Yeah, that was funny.
And he's like, but look at me.
I'm such a dick.
I freaking lost it.
Like that was really good.
Okay.
Really well done.
I thought that was funny.
And then like her line where she's just like, it's never too late to stop being a dick.
Like that was hilarious.
Like loved that.
She's not wrong.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's where the joke should have ended.
Yeah, like, God, I just can't get over the whole like, one of his final words is just
like, I always considered you a brother, Scott.
And the way that like Scott looks, he's just like, and I think he looks at hope too.
And they're just like, yeah, yeah, yeah, same here.
Yeah, I think I think what got got me was everyone's reaction to him.
Yeah, being super like, like, Scott's and Hanks made sense.
And like, hopes did too.
But I think they just tried to play it off as a joke too.
Yeah, too.
It's like, we get it.
He doesn't look like he used to.
He's a big head now.
He looks weird.
We get it.
And like, don't get me started with like the whole like, when they like walked us through
like how he became Modok and just like, I don't know, that just like looked really weird.
And I get like that, I guess that it will actually I don't really even know like the
full story of how how Modok became Modok.
Yeah, okay.
Well, Modok's a frickin isn't a I don't think Modok's a person.
Like I think he's a robot.
Okay, that makes more sense.
Yeah, I think you're right.
For in the for the fact that like, yeah, he literally when he's being put into the Modok
body, literally, they have him like, I think, like the the claws like grabbing his head
and you like see his like hands and legs dangling.
I'm like, well, now he's looking like frickin Humpty Dumpty over here.
Oh, yeah.
It was so it was not great.
It was not.
They have tried to fit Darren into this movie in a different way.
Like I get like, yeah, he got he like he got frickin obliterated before he got sent into
the quantum realm.
But couldn't there have been a better way to bring his character back than saying that
he's Modok now?
I will say it made sense just because of how like insane his death was or his supposed
death in the first Ant-Man movie was and how he like kind of imploded on himself.
Like it it made a little bit of sense.
Like I understood like how they made that leap to him being Modok.
I think he should have just been bad guy through and through the entire time.
Yeah, I agree.
He should not have been the butt of every single frickin joke in this movie.
Yeah.
So I was wrong.
Modok in comics is a human, but it's more it's more in line with what we got as his
origin in the Avengers game.
See I look that is one of the few things that I feel that game did right was doing the origin
story of Modok because oh my God, it's so frickin good.
And he looked so good.
And then we get this with Modok.
Yeah, I mean, because that one he's actually intimidating.
Very, very true.
I would have preferred something if they would have gone along the lines of that version
of Modok then as accurately as they they pulled off this one.
Yeah.
I mean, but script wise, he wasn't bad.
Like he was just the butt of the joke too often for it to stay funny.
Like I think I think they should should have just kept him solely as a bad guy.
And should I ask on?
Yeah, no, not even not even necessarily that.
Like I think it would have I don't know how I would have pulled off Modok.
He's a hard character to do.
He is I would have.
Right.
Freaking doing what they did with like smooth faced Darren, I would not have done at all.
I would have like dismorphed his face.
A lot more than they did.
And it would have made complete sense for how, like you said, he imploded before he
was sent into the quantum realm.
Yeah.
Like I would have made what was jacked up about yellow jacket like his helmet was open
when he was defeated, right?
I think so.
Or at least like partially like broken.
Yeah.
OK.
I'm just I'm just looking at like a gif of what it looked like.
And yeah, his his mask was was pretty like jacked up.
Like it was it was busted open.
So yeah, it would have made complete sense that his face would have been jacked up after
he entered the quantum realm.
Yeah.
Like maybe I wouldn't have done like a full busted up.
All right.
But I would have done something to incorporate his helmet a little bit better.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
When was the last time you watched the first day, I'm curious.
It's been a hot minute.
Me too.
I go, I meant to do it before I saw quantum mania, but I just never got around to it.
Yeah.
Like, OK, so here's here's what I would have done.
I would have kept the overall look of the mask, but like to like Modoc a fine him, I
would have like taken off like the obviously the white or the yellow paneling on his face.
So I would have just like squared that off and then like just kind of cut the rest of
his face out just so like it looks like the helmet still like stuck to his head and then
had like, oh, shit.
Like you've seen the Guardians three trailers, like the high evolutionary.
You know how it looks like his skin is like stretched over.
Yes.
And his mask or his helmet or whatever the hell he his face is.
I would have done something like that, where it was like his skin was just kind of like
fused to the helmet, like around and then just kind of done some like weird morphing
with his his face, kind of give him more like Neanderthal looking features.
Yes, that would make that would make total sense.
Yeah, maybe like jacked up his mouth a little bit.
I think Modoc's just a hard character to pull off.
This is Modoc is a character I am really interested in seeing the concept art for.
Yes.
So I mean, they they could have done.
I feel like they could have done Modoc a little bit better.
Oh, and honestly, I think they should have gone the route of the Marvel's Avengers.
Yeah.
Like they almost did exactly what I what I've said, like his head is still like kind of
has boils on it or just like growths on it.
His head is just like super disfigured and stretched out.
He has Neanderthal looking eyebrows, like teeny nose, big ass mouth.
Like I think that's the route they should have gone.
And then I would have kept the whole Moda or the yellow jacket suit.
Yes, someone because I looked up Modoc in quantum mania and one of the first things
that popped up someone with a picture of how he looks in the movie.
He said, do you hate it because he looks ugly?
Someone said, no, I hate it because it's the opposite.
I expected the MCU to give him the ugliest face imaginable, but instead they just CGI
a dude's face and head on Modoc's body and called it a day.
In a way, he's ugly, but in a bad way.
Yeah, is not great.
There's actually a behind the scenes picture of the it's literally so it looks like this
was the original plan all along is to have just the Darren's head blown up because like
this behind the scenes like full body sculpt that they made is exactly how we got in the
movie.
Yeah, I was just looking at that picture too.
They could have done it better.
Oh yeah, easily.
Yep, they could have easily done it better.
Man, I really hope that there's that they had other ideas that they like I'm going to
be pissed if they had other ideas that were better.
Yeah, dude, right?
Yeah, I would have done something else to his face.
Yeah, I agree.
Dude, I think what was throwing me off too, that doesn't even look like the actor that
played him.
Yeah, it doesn't.
Like I get like it's a blown up like really close up, but still it doesn't look like him
that much and I know it is him because he's credited in the credits.
No, he's not.
He's uncredited.
No, in the credits it shows Modok, the guy that played him.
If you watch the credits, it says Modok and then the guy that played Darren in the first
movie.
Are you sure?
I swear.
Because on the IMDB it says Corey Stull was uncredited.
Well, yeah, but like I guess like they didn't want to until like the actual movie came out,
but like for the actual end credits for Modok, his name is actually credited.
It actually says that he played Modok.
Did they actually use his face though?
Like I feel like you could stretch out most people's face and it like look like them still.
Yeah, but I am this is something I'm having a hard time seeing Corey Stull in this at all.
Like the voice like yes, like for sure.
Yeah, it's still his voice.
That's another thing I would have done.
Modok's always been portrayed with like a robotic voice.
So I would have done gosh, I would have gone a completely different route.
I would have disfigured his face and like, but just enough so you could still catch the
features of Corey Stull.
Like I probably would have kept the mouth and the nose the same and I would have just
I think all they needed to do was just like pump up the eyebrows.
Like Neanderthal the eyebrows a little bit, give him some like weird scarring on the side
of his head and just kind of do the same thing with the top of his head.
And so it's just not like a freaking chrome dome.
Yeah, dude, seriously though.
Like I would have gone that route and then given him a super robotic version of Corey
Stull's voice.
Yeah, I can get behind that.
Anyway, getting back into writing like because we covered like all of our effects issues.
Holy shit.
Dialogue.
This is actually probably one of the better written of the Ant-Man stories.
Oh, dude, especially.
I mean, of course, it's how you know Jonathan Majors delivered it, but the writing all of
his dialogue was just so intimidating.
So I feel like kind of philosophical, philosophical.
Just oh my God, the writing for him was so intimidating and I loved it.
Dude, I absolutely agree.
I loved that he was trying to still connect with Janet.
Yes.
And being like, we never talked about what you saw.
And he was trying to explain his point of view.
Like it almost like the way that they ended it and like led into that end credits scene
with the the Council of Kang, where it seemed like, oh, maybe Kang was right.
No, that's a good point.
Like just kind of one of those deals.
And I hope that they kind of dive into that more and more where it's like, oh, we made
a mistake.
Yeah.
And like, I think that'd be a really interesting ending for like the multiverse saga.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Like if Kang has to like take over again, or if the the man who lived like comes back,
I think that'd be a really interesting story.
But yeah, Kang was really well written.
I think the I had an issue with Janet for a little while, at least until she opened up
about what happened with her in the quantum realm.
It's just she was holding back too many secrets for her for it to feel like reasonable.
Yeah.
I can definitely agree with that, because yeah, like literally after they get separated
in the quantum realm.
And so it's just Hope, Janet and Hank.
And when they first get there and she like she pushes them up against the tree and she's
like, don't move.
And then after that, she kind of doesn't really she after that, she doesn't really say anything.
Like they just keep going on their way.
But it's just like, I don't know, maybe after like getting like almost scanned by something,
I'd want to know the truth, mother, about the quantum the quantum realm.
Yeah, like they just kind of let that go on for way too long.
Yeah.
Like, I think that they had a conversation should have been had on the little flying
stingray.
Yes.
Yeah, they had time.
Yeah, they definitely had time.
Like it didn't need to happen when they got to freaking Bill Murray.
Yeah.
Like it definitely had time, like it didn't need to happen when they got to freaking Bill
Murray's character, which why in the hell would you want Bill Murray for that role?
That was such a bullshit role.
Maybe they I don't know if he just wanted to be in a Marvel movie or they just wanted
to have a like a list actor in it.
No, you freaking wasted money on a big name guy being in this movie.
Yeah.
Like, so stupid.
Like when I saw like, sorry, what?
No, just I was going to say I wish Bill Murray cared as much as he used to, because you could
definitely tell him most of everything that he's in nowadays is just he's there for the
paycheck.
Yeah, it definitely felt like that.
I'm like, he's fumbling it in.
Even in afterlife it felt that.
Like I didn't feel that way with Dan Aykroyd or Ernie Hudson, but I still unfortunately
felt that way with Bill Murray.
Apparently he's not super fun to work with.
I've heard that as well.
Yeah.
So I think they could have written that character out completely.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Like you could have had anyone betray Janet to Kang.
But I think the only reason you they didn't was to give like to get a fancy ship that
Michael Douglas had to stick his arms into.
It was so freaking weird.
Yeah, so gross.
Yeah.
But anyway, like it that was completely unnecessary.
And I found myself having a really hard time caring about what was happening here.
I'm like, we all know that he's just going to betray her.
Yeah, dude.
Right.
Like, why are we dragging this out?
The only thing that I cared about from that scene is that Michael Doug or Hank Pym never
got drunk.
He never got his drink.
I know.
That's what I was thinking, too.
I'm just like, you guys, like, excuse you.
You ordered a drink, dude.
Yeah.
You denied him getting drunk, Janet.
Oh, man.
That was that was rough.
I I will say it was a sweet moment, but it was it was funny.
The when they're on the ship leaving and he's asking Janet about like, oh, so, you know,
like how was it with him?
You know, and she's like, well, you know, like gone for 30 years, had to please myself
some way.
And she's like, I'm sure that you like hooked up with someone, too.
Right.
He's like, yeah, it goes on with this one girl he hooked up with.
And she's like, well, so then what happened?
She's like, he's like, it wasn't you, Janet.
I'm like, oh, that's sweet.
But this is kind of funny, too.
A little bit.
Yeah.
Like, I think that could have been a real like connection moment for them.
Like, I don't think they focused on Hank and Janet's relationship enough.
I feel I felt that way, like honestly throughout this whole trilogy.
I mean, like Janet's really only brought in in the second one.
Like I think she's only mentioned in the first one.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, OK.
Well, she's technically shown.
Oh, yeah.
With the flashbacks.
Yeah.
Like, it's not Michelle Pfeiffer.
Yeah.
So like, I get the shoe is brought in very late, but yeah, I would have loved if they
would have explored.
And I mean, I don't know if we'll get an Ant-Man 4, but I would have loved if they would have
explored Hank and Janet's relationship more in these movies.
I get that they're not the sole focus, but like at least give us something more than
what we got.
Yeah.
I think he needed like just some sweet, like romantic moments between them.
Like you could have freaking squeeze those in.
Yeah, because I feel Michael Douglas and Michelle Pfeiffer actually have really good chemistry
together.
So I feel it shouldn't have been a problem at all.
I think they do, too.
Yeah.
Everyone else, though, I mean, it felt like the rest of it felt good.
Like other than like the issues that we brought up, I do think it is definitely better than
the story.
Yes, I can agree with that.
How much better though?
I don't know.
For me, I probably just go like a point higher.
So I'm going to go an 80.
I actually might go a point higher than you.
I might be at an 80.
Okay.
All right.
So for acting, we have Paul Rudd, who plays Scott Lang, Evangeline Lilly, who plays Hope
Van Dyne, Michael Douglas, who plays Dr. Hank Pym, Michelle Pfeiffer, who plays Janet Van
Dyne, Jonathan Majors, who plays Kang the Conqueror, Katherine Newton, who plays Cassie
Lang and Corey Stull, who plays Modoc.
Or what did I say earlier?
Modoc.
Yep, Modoc.
Yep.
All right.
You're not wrong.
Yeah.
So what's your top three look like for this?
Number one, definitely Modoc.
Just kidding.
I'm kidding.
I'm totally kidding.
Let's see.
Number three.
Hmm.
You know, number three, I got to give to Michelle Pfeiffer.
She was honestly, I would give number three to Evangeline Lilly if she had more to do.
But she did not have a lot to do in this movie and it pisses me off.
Yeah.
But Michelle Pfeiffer though was fantastic in this movie and I appreciated that they
were able to dive into her character so much more.
I feel like in every scene that she was in, she stole the show.
But that's just because they didn't give.
Well, not only because she's a great actress, but they didn't really give Hank and Hope
a lot to work with.
But anyway, I'll stop bitching about those two, especially Hope.
But anyway, Michelle Pfeiffer, she was absolutely freaking incredible.
Number two, I would give to Paul Rudd.
Freaking incredible as always.
I love him so much as Scott Lang and this movie was no exception.
Especially his emotional moments, when he's a giant man and he's running towards Kang,
he's just like, we had a deal, Kang.
Just the emotions in that, in the scene where it's literally thousands, millions, no, I
think it was probably thousands of Ant-Man, Scott's.
And the fact that the whole line, oh, we finally have, we actually agree on a purpose and it's
to spend more time with Cassie.
And that's how they're able to work together.
But that of course doesn't work.
But then Hope comes in and because she's real, they're able to combine and to where it's
just them and not their split.
What is it?
Like their split.
Oh, probabilities.
Yes.
Yeah.
They're split probabilities.
They're able to just come together as one, which is awesome.
I love that scene.
And both acting and that scene is great, but Paul Wright, especially, just, yeah, he once
again knocked out of the park with this performance.
But I have to give number one to Jonathan Majors.
Oh my God, this man is so intimidating as Kang the Conqueror.
I got to watch more movies with Jonathan Majors because I feel I'm just barely discovering
this guy and he is incredible.
He is such a presence every single time he's on screen, the way that he delivers a lot
of his lines in monotone.
But I feel that's what makes it work so perfectly.
And that's just what makes Kang so intimidating.
And I hate that this version of him died because I love him so much.
And don't get like, because I don't really know a lot about Kang the Conqueror.
Like, I literally know nothing.
So this is my first introduction to the character and I'm loving what Jonathan Majors is doing.
And even the costume is working on him.
And I didn't think that they were going to be able to pull off a purple and green suit
on Majors, but they did it.
He looks fantastic.
And even with when the freaking helmet and blue visor go over his face, it still looks
fantastic.
But yeah, number one, Jonathan Majors, freaking incredible performance.
Oh yeah, for sure.
I just wanted to quick bring up that scene you were talking about with Scott and Hope
being in the probability storm.
Yeah, that was the shit.
Right?
So good.
Dude, I love that it just kind of it felt like what Scott was doing in the first movie,
where it's just the ants climbing on top of each other to get Scott to the top of whatever
he needs to go and grab.
It felt very reminiscent of that.
It just kind of like reminiscent of their characters, where Scott is Ant-Man and so
all of his characters are working together to create these little formations exactly
like what he does with those little carpenter ants.
Like in the first movie and like the second one and like creating these like little foundations
for him to like run across or do whatever with.
Like freaking love that like little comparison.
And then with Hope like flying down and then it just being like a swarm of wasps.
Like I thought that was so freaking dope.
The fact that they're like fighting with each other, because that's totally how from what
I've been told is that how like unlike bees and their community wasps is kind of like
all for yourselves.
Yeah, definitely.
But I thought that scene was so cool.
Just like seeing that comparison and then when they like joined together and all the
versions merged and like I love seeing the stuff that they're able to do together as
a team.
Yes.
Like I love seeing wasp carry Ant-Man by the hand and like toss him up to shit.
So cool.
We needed more of that.
Yeah, definitely needed more of that.
I thought that shit was so cool.
So anyway, getting into my top three.
I might be in a grants with you.
Like it is seriously a coin flip between Katherine Newton's Cassie and Michelle Pfeiffer's Janet.
That's fair for number three.
The issues that I had with Cassie are just due to the chemistry that she had when it
came to Paul Rudd.
Everything else that she pulled off was incredible.
Like I loved her as Stinger.
Like I think she pulled off the humor really well.
It was just the emotional moments.
Just it didn't feel like they quite had that connection for emotional.
But everything else I think they did freaking awesome with.
So with this coin flip, I'm probably going to give it to Katherine Newton as my number
three.
I like with Evangeline Lilly.
Like I agree with you.
Evangeline Lilly would have taken this had she had more to do.
My number two, I'm also going to agree with you, Paul Rudd.
And this isn't anything against Paul Rudd.
It's just that Jonathan Majors knocked this out of the park.
He stole every scene that he was in.
He was so intimidating just in stature, the way that he spoke.
Like he has such a commanding presence in the scenes.
It's nuts.
I remember like when Agent Voltron first came out, I'm just like, yeah, you know what?
I want James Spader to narrate my life.
I think I might change that to Jonathan Majors.
I love his voice so much.
Yeah, he has a really good voice and intimidating one too.
So I'm happy that this isn't the end of Kang and that we're going to get more.
Yeah, same here.
So that's what my top three looks like.
Overall, what are you giving the acting score?
I feel is the highest for me so far.
Yeah, I really don't have a lot of problems with the cast.
Well, except for, well, no, because it's not even his fault.
It was the way that he was written.
The freaking who played Modok again?
Corey Stahl.
Yeah, Corey Stahl.
I don't even blame him.
It's the way that he was written.
What he was given, he actually did a decent job with.
But I definitely agree with you with Katherine Newton.
If it weren't for not having the chemistry there with her and Paul Rudd, definitely would
have been higher for me with where I would rank her.
But overall, she did an amazing job.
Michael Douglas, incredible.
Always with what he was given.
Vangelin Lilly, like I said, Michelle Pfeiffer, just everyone did such a great job.
So acting, I'm going to go an 86.
It's actually really close to what I was going to give it.
I was going to give it an 88.
Oh, OK, cool.
All right, next up, we got character.
I just find it funny that so far you're almost higher in all the categories.
Except story.
Yeah, that's funny.
Yeah, well, we'll see how character development goes for you.
True.
Good point.
So what did you think?
So I think you kind of have to do this off of Scott, right?
Yes, I agree.
Maybe and I was thinking about this after I saw the movie.
In the trailers, I feel it was more hyped up the fact that Scott's dealing with Kang
and agreeing with his idea of wanting more time with Cassie.
I feel it was more hyped up in the trailers than it was in this movie.
Easily.
OK, I'm not the only one.
Good.
So and I love that storyline and I wish that it was established more for his character
development because overall, like it's not a bad character development.
Scott literally hasn't changed at all, but you really don't have to change Scott.
He's Scott Lang.
Nothing really.
He's just a happy-go-lucky good guy.
Nothing really needs to change about him.
Bringing in the fact that he wants to spend more time with Cassie, considering that he
lost five years with him being in the Quantum Realm.
And you know, Kang, once they enter the Quantum Realm, you know, Kang, you know, telling him
like, hey, if you do this for me, I can get you more time with your daughter.
I wish that that would have been established or more dived into.
But for what we got, I guess it was it was a decent character arc.
I mean, not only with what he is going through with Cassie, but you also get, you know, his
relationship with Hope that I not going to lie, I actually might have cared about that
a little more, especially with with the ending with how they almost get stuck in the Quantum
Realm together, which that should have been the way it was, but whatever.
I feel we both of us are going to be so bitter about that now.
But it like it has it.
He had his moments.
Don't get me wrong.
He had his moments in this movie.
But overall, I have seen better character developments and other Marvel movies by characters.
And I feel that just it's Scott is a lot harder of a character to have like huge character
growth with just because he's just a simple guy.
And so when you think about where can we take him with character development or character
growth, really, it's only like you can either take him two directions either with Cassie
or with Hope.
You have to like do storylines with those two characters or just one.
So I feel he's a little harder to do.
So I guess I can kind of excuse that a little bit, but not by much.
What are your thoughts?
No, I you pretty much covered it all.
All my issues, too.
Sorry.
No, it's it's hard to he's a hard character to do.
Like he kind of has like that Captain America syndrome where you kind of know the choices
he's going to make.
So true.
Um, I mean, Cassie's whole issue with him in the beginning was that he has the ability
to do all this stuff and to make change, but just doesn't.
And again, like you never see him take that active approach to making any change.
Like he everything that he it's everything he does is like reactionary.
And I'm not saying that Captain America had that issue.
I think Captain America had it like it was just very consistent.
Like the the relation that I give that between the two is consistency between them, where
Captain America is pretty much the same.
And it can be said like the same thing about him.
And they're very much the same throughout.
They do make some changes and some growth here and there.
But I mean, overall, I think at their core, they are the same person.
I do think that he he was challenged a little bit in taking a more active role in setting
up like this basically revolution against Kang and having to lead these people.
I mean, Cassie kind of forced his hand with that, but he was able to like fight alongside
people and everything and like ultimately make that change.
So I mean, the arc wasn't itself wasn't bad.
So I mean, what are you sitting now with development?
Just because it wasn't like great, but like they did the best that they could with the
character like Scott.
God damn it.
Like, I can't decide.
Like I'm either between putting it the same score as my writing or like the little below
story.
You know, I hate to do that.
I think I might go 78.
I was going to go slightly higher than actually I might go the same score as my like writing.
So I'm going to go an 81.
OK, damn, I'm being brutal on this movie.
I don't mean to be.
I have a good time with this one.
It's hard, dude.
It's so freaking hard.
This probably isn't going to be difficult at all for us.
The effects.
There were definitely not only Modok, but because I feel like we have definitely covered
our thoughts on the effects for Modok.
Oh, yeah.
Modok look.
I mean, if you take out the face, like if you ignore that, the mask looks cool.
He flew around.
Yeah, like everything about him was really cool.
It's just once he took the mask off, you're just like, I'm just like shit.
But considering that, you know, this is the movie that we've spent the most time in the
quantum realm.
There are many scenes that I'm just like, yeah, I can totally tell you are standing
behind a green screen or a blue screen, whatever.
Very much so.
It's very easy, especially a lot of the group shot.
I think like there were like a lot of ones where it was Hope, Janet and Hank that I was
like, yeah, I'm not even like being fooled right now.
You're a freaking.
I think it was the biggest scene for me was when they when Janet like goes to that like
group and like like cuts off that one guy's arm.
Oh, yeah.
That's how that looked like.
That looked like right.
All right.
That's a way to put it.
I love that.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
That was so bad.
I'm just like, it feels like you all aren't even trying with that.
This movie had a two hundred dollar budget and that's all that we get for that scene.
Yeah, dude.
What the shit was that about?
OK, I will say this minus that scene, a lot of the the rest of the scenes look decent.
Yeah, I agree.
Like you know, it's just they dropped the ball on that one.
I will say I will say like even like the CGI for when they would press their and I want
your opinion about this, like the whole like now that like they can just press the the
fricking like turning into Iron Man now, they can just press like the centerpiece on their
chest and like their suit comes on.
Dude, I hate that.
I didn't mind it.
And I felt like the effects for that actually looked pretty good.
I'll say like it did.
It looked really good.
I just I miss I miss them putting their suits on like normal people.
Like I like feeling like like the mask was like almost an inconvenience.
Like when like in the first one where it felt like very real, where he had like like having
it like retract like fine.
Like if you want to have it retract and have that be CGI like fine, but I I don't like
that they can just like, oh, I need to take my suit off and then I push a button and it's
off.
I'm just like, I wish that they would have like show issues with them like putting the
suit on.
Yeah.
The fact that the mask like comes back now to where it looks like a hoodie is like it
kind of I think it's like fricking hilarious.
I actually really dig that.
I never liked how like with Iron Man when he would remove his helmet, that it would
just like completely disappear.
No, that's right.
No, I like it, too.
I just think it's funny that like whenever I see them on screen, I'm just like, hey,
it kind of looks like a hoodie because you know that that's your mask.
Yeah.
I will say this.
They jumped back and forth between wearing a mask and not wearing a mask way too much
for me.
Yeah, dude, straight up.
Dude, I'm just like pick a side.
Yeah, I'm like, just pick one.
Keep it on or take it off.
Like honestly, it was to the point for when Kang destroyed Ant-Man's helmet.
I'm like, okay, thank God.
He is just stuck to one choice now.
Yeah.
I don't know about you, but I picked up a scene that really stood out to me in a bad
way, is when Cassie first shrunk.
Did you notice how janky that looked?
I did not actually.
Maybe I just wasn't paying that much attention to it.
Yeah.
So it's when Modok's attacking whatever like that town is called or that base is.
And so she activates her suit and goes to shrink for the first time.
And she it looks so rough when she's running.
Like it almost looked like choppy.
And I was just like, what in the actual shit was that?
Okay, I'm going to have to go back and watch that.
I believe you.
I'm sure that that's exactly how it looked.
I'm sure it looked very janky.
Yeah.
I'm going to have to go back and watch that.
Yeah.
It was very rough.
Yeah.
Other than that, though, the I mean, the rest of the effects looked really freaking good.
Yeah.
Like a lot of the quantum realm and I don't want to say quantum realm people quantum realm
beings.
Yeah.
Those actually looked really good.
And of course, when freaking Hank pointed out that one looked like a broccoli.
And I was freaking.
Yeah.
I mean, I loved Hank's perspective because it's like he's someone that's studying or
been studying the quantum realm and he's like he knows nothing about it.
So it's like seeing it like gives him a freaking nerd boner.
Like yeah, I loved that shit.
Yeah.
I loved like the way that he talked about the quantum realm.
And Michael Douglas is just Jim.
Like he sold out so well.
I was just like, I could hear Hank talk about the quantum realm for like ever.
Right.
So, so good.
Geez.
I'm trying to think of like nothing else stood out.
King looked really good.
I love the mask.
Yeah, that they made that look so freaking good.
Like I was so afraid of that because I mean, like seeing now, like looking at like how
King looks in the comics, I'm like, you know what, that could have gone really bad, but
they pulled it off very, very.
Oh yeah.
Super freaking well.
Damn.
Other like a sit other than like the super green screen looking interaction with Janet
or like the PIMS, the little the janky moment with Cassie and maybe the face with Modoc
or definitely the face with Modoc.
Yeah.
Like it all looked incredible.
Yeah.
Like the final fight, dude, was insane.
Yeah, dude.
That was awesome.
That was done very well.
Yeah.
I love, I love when we kind of get these nods towards the other Avengers and shit that they,
they've done like with Scott grabbing that, that disc and using it as a shield.
Yeah.
Just like I freaking love that.
And like, I love that they gave us some shit to see that was like stuff we'd almost never
seen before.
Like when, when Janet comes like flying by shrinks down or Scott shrinks down, she grabs
Scott and just chucks him and then like mid flight, he turns into a giant like, and just
cannonballs the freaking shield, like knocking it, like knocking it out.
I'm just like that.
That was dope.
That was a great Ant-Man and the Wasp working together scene.
Yeah.
They need more of that.
They do.
Oh, dude, I forgot to bring this up in writing.
I love when Cassie and Scott hug each other when they're both giant and fricking they
throw in like the, like they bring it back to like civil war when she's just like, Oh,
I'm like super hungry now.
He's just like, yeah, right.
You're in this, you want some citrus, right?
It's kind of, it's kind of crazy that that's what you crave.
I was like, I like the call back to civil war.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I freaking love it.
So I mean, effects wise, I mean, the issues I had were like minimal.
Yeah.
Where, where are you sitting?
I think I'll, I'll sit at an 80.
Damn.
I, I'm going to be a lot nicer to this.
I'm sitting at like an 86.
Damn.
What is wrong with me?
I don't know, dude.
Like being a fricking hater.
Yeah, I am.
I really liked this movie.
That's the thing.
I know dude.
Like, okay.
I understand, like I understand like your, your decision to go that low.
I'm going to go up a little more.
I'm like seeing if there's like any other categories I need to change.
Just kidding.
No, I think.
All right.
Next up we got costumes or not costumes music.
Unfortunately this was average it's MCU average.
You know what sucks is like, it seems like the trailer, the mutant, the movies, God damn
it.
Wow.
Sorry.
The music in the trailers is like better than what's in the actual movie because I don't
know about you, but in the first trailer for this movie, they used yellow brick road by
Elton John and the way that they used it was so fricking cool.
So good.
I'm just like, why couldn't you have done that with the music in the actual damn movie?
Yep.
Exactly, dude.
Exactly my issue.
I was waiting for yellow brick road the entire fricking time and I'm so bummed that we didn't
get it.
Yeah.
Cause that's not only such a great song, but they made it work so well for this movie that
I'm just like, you couldn't have made it work well for not only the trailer, but also the
movie.
Yeah.
I would have found a way to make it work with the movie.
Yeah.
Same here.
But shit.
Like again, is MCU average and unfortunately I think that's a seven.
Yeah, I agree.
All right.
Costumes though.
Dude, I'm like, I'm at a nine, but I can be talked to.
This the only reason I'm not at a 10 is because they could have done better with Modoc.
Fair.
Yeah, that's, that's fair.
Cassie suit looked really fricking good.
Wasps new outfit was as comic accurate as you can possibly get.
Dude, right?
Like, oh my God, it's so good.
Yeah.
And then like, despite my feelings about the helmet and it being like automatic on and
off, like, eh, whatever, like the suits are fricking killer.
Yeah.
Like I said, King's costume, chef's kiss.
Oh yeah.
And then if we're getting into like the character design for every, all the quantum realm creatures,
like so good.
Yeah.
My only issue is fricking Modoc and I think Modoc was enough to bring it down.
Yeah, I can definitely agree with that.
Yeah.
So definitely sitting at a nine there.
All right.
Last up, we got our own personal score for this.
So Rose, you want to take this one first?
I would love to.
Are you just very interested to see what I actually like give this?
I am so interested to hear what you're going to give this because you have not been nice
to this movie.
I have not, which like I promise you, I loved this movie so much more than Thor, Love and
Thunder.
I like almost hated Thor, Love and Thunder, but I really enjoyed this one.
Like you said, this might be my favorite out of the Ant-Man trilogy.
But yeah, like, like don't get me wrong, you got some questionable CGI and there might
be some problems with the story.
But overall, I feel it's a very good Ant-Man and the Wasp movie.
I had a really good time with it.
The characters are so, so good, minus Modoc.
Everything else though is just super, super good.
I really had a really good time with this one and came to conquer.
Oh my God, Jonathan Majors still steals this fricking movie in like the best way possible.
So I think I'm going to be, you know what?
I think I'm going to be an 88.
Damn, that is actually exactly where I was sitting too.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, I had a blast with this movie.
It was, it was a lot.
Okay, it wasn't as good as I was expecting it to be.
But like I do with most movies, I kind of try, I do my best to set my expectations aside.
And the stuff that they were able to incorporate in this movie and give us were really good.
They introduced Kang extremely well.
The only big issues with this movie are significant are, like we've discussed, Modoc looking like
a fricking dweeb and the overall story itself.
I think the overarching story is good.
I think the whole situation with Kang trying to escape the Quantum Realm because it sits
outside of time and space is really interesting.
But where it falls short and the reason it got so low is because I think they just, their
editing was just so off.
And it just, it didn't make the story flow really well.
I think there was maybe a time or two where the movie seemed to drag.
And I don't know if that's just because I had to piss really bad.
Like it was so bad, I was 45 minutes in and had to go and I waited the entire fricking
movie to go.
See, this is why I never get drinks at the movie theater.
Unless it's a short, shorter movie, like an hour and a half, I know I can do it.
But like, yeah, no.
Like fricking, like, so last week actually, Friday, I went and saw Avatar 2 again with
my buddy JC.
And dude, I literally made sure that like two hours before I had like literally no liquids
at all because I had to make sure that my bladder could take three hours.
Dude, I can't do that.
I need a drink.
No, I get it.
I don't know about, I get sweaty in the movies.
Like even when the AC, yeah, like even when the AC is on, like I still catch myself getting
super sweaty in the movies.
Interesting.
And like I said, don't know why, but it's so interesting.
Yeah, so it's like I need a drink, but I didn't realize how, I thought this movie was a lot
shorter than it was.
I mean, it's still, I feel one of the shorter MCU movies, like barely over two hours.
Yeah, barely over two hours, but like 45 minutes in and I was just, I like started feeling
like I needed to pee and I was like, shit.
Dude, I kept making the mistake of, I kept making the mistake of, I know that's what
was killing me.
I was just like, son of a bitch.
I know, I was just like, okay, I know there's two, like shit, shit, shit.
It's so, once you saw the King will return, you're just like, cool, I'm out.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, dude.
Like I was busting at the seams, but I'm so stupid because like I'll be sitting there
and I'm like shaking my leg or just like bouncing my knee up and down.
And so I'm like just trying to like get my mind off of it and then I'll take a drink
out of instinct.
I'm like, shit.
And like I swear.
Just made it worse.
Yeah, I know.
And I do it like multiple times.
Like it's not just one time where I'm like, oops, accidentally took a drink.
It's like the entirety of the movie.
I'm just like, oops.
Like even during the credits, I was taking sips of my drink and it was just like, damn
it, Caleb.
Dude, that is freaking hilarious.
Shit, shit, shit.
I know I should have paid better attention, but like I usually, what I usually will do
is like a couple of days or before I go see a movie, I'll just start drinking like water
really heavily.
And so it's just kind of like preparing my bladder and it usually works, but I completely
spaced on doing it for this movie.
So I kind of bit myself in the ass there.
That's really funny that we both train our bladders in different ways for longer movies.
Dude, that's what I did with Avengers.
When we found out that it was like three hours, I was just like, all right, like I'm going
into training like a week before the movie comes out.
And so I was just downing water like it was nothing.
And I like, you know, I had the freaking big ass drink from like the gas station that was
like just packed full of water or lemon water or whatever that I was drinking.
Yeah, I was.
Dude, all I know is I wish I had your bladder.
I hate my bladder.
Yeah, I got to the point like where I could watch like all the every single time that
I went to see Endgame in theaters, like I freaking killed it with not going to the
bathroom and just like this one just caught me off guard.
But anyway, so with those scores entered, that concludes this week's breakdown.
So starting off with story, not a very strong start whatsoever.
Sitting at a seventy seven point five writing got bumped up a few points and sitting at
an eighty point five acting is significantly higher sitting at an eighty seven character
development drops off quite a bit sitting at a seventy nine point five.
The effects is sitting at a very sturdy eighty four music is sitting at a seven out of ten
costumes is at nine out of ten and then our personal score averaged out to an eighty eight
percent.
So with that, the final Albrows letter grade for Ant-Man and the Wasp quantum mania has
come to a B.
OK thank God.
Dude, I was so afraid it was going to get like a C plus.
I'm like, oh no, please no.
No, it's a it was close.
Like don't get me wrong.
It was freaking close.
So it is sitting at an eighty three point three one percent.
Now my question is, though, is it higher than Thor Love and Thunder?
Oh yeah.
Oh, thank God.
No, no, no question about that.
Phew.
OK, I did it.
We did good, Caleb.
We did good.
Oh, not that freaking good.
What?
So, OK, hold on.
So do we want to do this like out of like the ranking out of just all the movies or do
we want to do an MCU ranking?
What do you think?
I could go either way.
Let's do MCU ranking.
All right.
I hope that doesn't add more work.
No it doesn't.
OK, thank God.
All right, so here is where.
Oh, shit.
OK, here is so we have this is not counting the movies that we haven't scored yet, which
we need to freaking get on and just do.
We do.
Yeah, sorry about that.
No, you're good.
So our number one spot is Spider-Man No Way Home, followed really closely by Avengers
Endgame.
Next Avengers Infinity War.
Then Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
Then Eternals.
Then Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.
Then Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
Then that's above the Avengers.
Or yeah, the Avengers Black Widow, Spider-Man Far From Home.
The first Black Panther, sorry.
Then Captain Marvel.
Then Spider-Man Homecoming.
Avengers Age of Ultron.
Then Thor Ragnarok.
Then Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania.
OK.
Then Thor Love and Thunder.
And then in last place is the first Ant-Man, or is Ant-Man and the Wasp.
OK.
What did we give Ant-Man and the Wasp?
A C. Oh shit, OK.
Wow.
Damn.
I didn't know we were that low.
Yeah, we were really low on that one.
But yeah, Quantumania got one place higher than Thor Love and Thunder.
You know what?
We're gonna win this victory.
Yeah, I mean the difference between those is 3%.
So I mean, take it how you will.
I will take it with stride.
I think we have a very unpopular MCU ranking.
Dude, I feel like the one that's gonna be the most unpopular one is Eternals.
I mean, that movie has its lovers, has its fans.
But considering that Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, from what I saw last, is now tied with the
Eternal score and run to me.
It was a lot of people do not like Eternals.
Dude, I think the fact that we have Eternals above the Avengers is gonna get us a lot of
hate.
Yeah.
Now, the question is though, personally, do you agree with that?
Unfortunately, yes.
Really?
I do not, but I can understand why.
Yeah, I mean, I hate to do it, but yeah, I think there's a lot of controversial shit
on here.
Like, Eternals being where it's at is super controversial.
I'll say Shang-Chi and Doctor Strange both being above the Avengers is questionable.
Fair.
I think the next thing would be Captain Marvel being above Spider-Man Homecoming.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, I would not agree with that.
Yeah, well, we're...
Okay, I think where the issue lies is, so before anyone gets their panties in a bunch,
this is what happened.
So now, we separate our personal scores.
So I now know for all the movies going back to, I don't know how far.
We have a detailed listing of my scores versus Rose's scores versus, if we have a guest on,
versus their scores.
So we're able to figure out whose scores whose.
So if I wanted to find out just for shits and giggles what my score alone would give
a movie versus Rose, I could do that.
But unfortunately, with some of these MCU movies, we were not that well prepared to
separate the scores.
So we're just kind of going based off of some of these are purely just me and Rose.
Like the Spider-Man Far From Home, that one was redone by our official third host and
guest, Vic.
Wow, throwing DJ...
Wait, are you saying?
Throwing Vic under the bus there.
Yeah, okay.
He was supposed to be on today, asshole.
But he had to go...
I was gonna say, well, you're throwing DJ under the bus, man?
He had responsibilities and shit, like going and being an adult, like freaking bullshit,
dude.
F that, man.
Who does that?
Come talk superheroes.
Yeah, come on.
So anyway, we had this...
A lot of the movies that we did prior to incorporating this system, we had not done yet.
So we had to go through, come up with all these.
So we had random people's scores thrown in here.
There were some like Spider-Man Far From Home, where DJ and Vic, they re-scored it.
We do have that updated score on our official ranking.
And we have it separated from our original ranking.
But we're using our original ranking for Far From Home on this list.
Unfortunately, with some of the older movies like The Avengers, Thor Ragnarok, I think
Homecoming, we didn't have our system incorporated yet.
So some of those have other people's scores attached to them.
So I mean, that's just kind of the luck of the draw with us.
So yeah, so if you dislike our rankings...
Should we go back and like fix those?
I think we might have to.
Actually, I don't necessarily disagree with these either.
Okay, maybe like costumes, I would disagree.
We gave costumes an 8.
For which movie again, I'm sorry?
For Avengers.
What?
I think that's because I had an issue with Captain America.
Whatever.
Like, maybe I can actually get away with the 8 then.
Fair.
So that's why our MCU ranking is just kind of weird.
We'll fix it eventually so we have like an official ranking.
But that's just what it is right now.
So anyway, getting back to like our official rating platform system.
So Ant-Man and the Wasp is sitting at an 83.31.
That puts it below Bill and Ted Face the Music, which is at an 83.32.
It is below Toy Story 4, which is at an 83.42.
Does that one hurt?
A little bit.
It's below Child's Play 2019, which is at an 83.43.
It is below James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, which is at an 83.5.
And then finally, it is below Lady and the Tramp 2019, which is at an 83.51.
Going the opposite direction, it puts it above Shazam, which is at an 83.25.
It's above Violent Night, which is at an 83.18.
OK.
Then moving into B- territory, it is above The Greatest Showman, which is at an 82.93.
It's above the remake of Mulan, which is at an 82.62.
And then finally, it is above The Hunt, which is at an 82.47.
OK.
But like I said, The Greatest Showman, Mulan, and The Hunt are all B- smoothies.
We just like to do 5 above, 5 below.
Yeah.
5 below, because you know, it's an actual store.
That might be the worst joke I think I've ever made.
I was up there.
Anyway.
Moving on from Caleb Jonathan's or Rose's.
God damn it.
I'm just hearing this up.
Rose is a terrible comedy.
Caleb, do you have anything else you want to add?
Ant-Man and the Wasp?
Quantumania?
Uh, that I do not.
OK.
Well, I would say that that concludes this episode.
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came out this past holiday season, Spoiler Alert, which I am so excited to check out.
It's their LGBTQ rom com.
So I'm so freaking excited for it.
Well, I don't even know if it's rom com.
I don't know how funny it is or if it's just like really sad.
That is an excellent question.
It looks like it's just really sad.
Okay.
So it's definitely not going to be like bros.
Probably not.
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Dooshes.
Damn it.
I've been trying to work on a Carl Weiser voice and it's not going so well.
I felt I was doing well so far, but apparently not.
God damn it.
Just a whole Jimmy's mom.
How was that?
That wasn't bad.
Okay.
I'm working on it.
I'm going to make it as good as Herbert.
Either that, I'm working on making that one as good as hopefully Herbert or remember Kyle's
cousin Kyle.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
I'm like really working on that one.
I'm pink.
So yeah, that's definitely one that I want to nail because yeah, God, that kid is so
freaking annoying, but I love his voice.
Dude, do it.
Okay.