What's up bros, I'm Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the podcast we got two items to talk about in 4k spotlight.
One being an Academy Award nominee.
We got a new trailer to talk about in Through the Wall which me and Caleb are both stoked
for.
It's looking so so good.
And then after that we'll be moving on to our headliner of the evening which will be
our the the the the the.
Which will be our breakdown of Creed 3.
So Caleb what do you say we get started?
I say let's frickin do it.
Yeah.
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All right jumping right into 4k spotlight even though none of these are on 4k that's
kind of the funny thing.
So first up we got Brendan Frazier's sorry.
Wow.
Darren oh my good lord Darren Aronofsky's The Whale starring Brendan Frazier there we
go.
Which is up for three Academy Awards this year including best actor best supporting
actress and best makeup and hair styling.
So this is definitely I want I want to see I don't know if I'm gonna be oh my god.
Starting off strong.
Yeah.
Dude dude I'm not gonna lie I'm going like how long is it like I for how long like two
and a half weeks without a day off and I'm like really starting to feel it.
Yeah because my whole team just decided to get sick on me so hell yeah.
That's borderline abuse.
Right oh dude you don't want to know how many hours I worked last week.
But let's not talk about that.
Anyway The Whale like you said I don't know if I want to blind buy this one just because
I have a feeling usually when it comes to I don't wait I actually don't even know the
studio that made this movie but anyway I'll bet you it's gonna be 22 like 96 or 2299 23
bucks.
I don't know if I want to spend that on a blind buy right now.
That's fair I mean I've heard nothing but good things about The Whale but it also doesn't
seem like it'd be like our type of movie.
I think it'd be one where after we watch it we're like oh that was pretty good but I don't
know if it'd be worth owning.
Yeah I feel it's probably gonna be like a one time watch and then I'll be okay I'm good.
That's what I feel about most Oscar nominations like at least for Best Picture like they usually
throughout give us like good one time watches.
I feel everything everywhere all at once though is different because I have watched that one
a couple times.
That's fair like there's definitely like some sprinkled in but I feel for the most part
like what was it with Nomadland like I could care less about watching that again.
Yeah I remember we were very different when it came to that movie we were very split.
Like is that a movie that you'd watch again?
Oh yeah I've watched it again.
I've only seen it twice.
What the shit like maybe I'm just an asshole.
No no I wouldn't say that.
It's been I don't know it just kind of depends on the movie.
Like I'm trying to think of like Oscar winning movies that like I've seen once and never
went back to.
God what was the Oscars last year?
Shit why am I drawing a blank here for like Oscar winners?
This is really sad.
Because we suck at watching movies for the Oscars.
That is true even though we're gonna change that next year like you said.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
But anyway the whale comes out this Tuesday on Blu-ray if you guys want to pick it up.
I love the the front is literally just a it's a like you could say that this is a what are
like the pictures that like actors will use when they go to an audition?
Like a headshot?
Headshot literally take out the background you could you could use this as a headshot
like dead serious.
Like I'm dead serious.
Like look at this shit.
That'd be a really shitty headshot but fair I guess.
I don't know like I don't know why it's screaming out to me headshot.
I mean I don't know if like studios want you to look that freaking depressed but anyway
uh so yeah the whale.
Next up coming out this Tuesday is the Tom Hanks movie A Man Called Otto which was not
Oscar nominated unfortunately.
Actually I can't say unfortunately I've never even seen the damn movie.
But I love how.
So the cover is freaking so it's Tom Hanks and then like literally it's just a bunch
of reviews behind him.
Like okay that's like a way to scream.
Like reviews for the movie?
Yeah.
Wait for the movie it's like for yeah like how boring.
Isn't that that's just like a way to say please buy my movie please you see people think that's
good.
That's good too.
Just buy it please.
Dude I thought this like the whole movie was about like a dude Karen that was like he does
nothing but write like Yelp reviews.
Maybe not.
Nope nothing about writing reviews.
Ah damn it.
That's so stupid.
Well now I'm disappointed.
I don't know if I even still want to watch it.
No I'm still gonna watch it.
But this is another one that like I'm probably just gonna wait till it comes to streaming.
I'm sure it's gonna come somewhere for streaming.
I don't know where but I'm sure it will come to something.
So that's when I will check Amen.
Call it auto and the whale out is when.
I am really butchering my sentences so far in this episode.
Like wow it better get better for me.
I'm checking to see oh what the hell.
It says a man called autos coming to Disney plus.
No shit.
That's what I do.
I googled a man called auto streaming release date and it says wait a man called auto franchise
what the shit.
It's a it's becoming a franchise it didn't even do that well theaters I thought.
This must not be the right movie.
Oh this is a scam website.
Ah damn it I freaking fell for it too.
I hate when that happens.
It's okay man it happens to the best of us.
It does not say anything about when it's coming to streaming.
Damn.
Well I guess it's like a smart thing to do.
Yeah some people will go out and buy it.
I get it.
Yeah if I had okay if I had to take a shot in the dark though on where I think it might
end up I would have to say Amazon.
Okay I could see that.
Who's the studio that made it.
That's actually a really good thing to look up on.
That's always like a very good indicator.
Sony.
If it's Sony it might go to Netflix.
Sony movies go to Netflix.
Yeah I could see that going to Netflix too.
Wait this is the second adaptation of it.
It's a remake.
Oh so the original was a 2015 Swedish film.
Oh.
Interesting.
Okay.
They tend to do that a lot because there was a French film that was remade like not too
long ago but I actually I don't know when it was made but it was a French film but then
they remade it and it was Bryan Cranston and Kevin Hart that were in it.
Oh the Upside.
Yeah so that was a remake.
Okay that's what it's called right.
Yeah okay yeah yeah the Upside.
Yeah I always wanted to see that movie but I never checked it out.
Really good.
Yeah okay.
Yeah really really good.
Then I will still check it out.
So that's it for 4k spotlight.
If any of you want to pick up those two titles.
So moving on to our Through the Wall we got our first trailer for Seth Rogan's Teenage
Mutant Ninja Turtles Mutant Mayhem and I am I'm all in for this.
Bro.
Like holy shit.
The fact that teenagers are actually voicing the turtles is freaking awesome.
Dude this looks freaking good.
It really does.
I'm loving the spider verse animation too or that kind of that kind of animation style.
I'm digging it for the turtles.
I will okay I will say this I don't think that's it's fully like spider verse level
animation because spider verse kind of had a sense of realism this fair animation is
very.
It's a lot more stylized than I would say spider verse was.
Good point and I'm loving it.
Like it looks so freaking good.
It does oh my god and they give splinter an afro.
They gave splinter an afro.
Oh you didn't notice that on the trailer.
No.
Yeah that's freaking hilarious.
Yeah they gave master splinter an afro.
Oh my gosh dude this movie is going to be the shit.
Okay I'm watching the trailer kind of play on the IMDB site so yeah I did catch the the
fro.
Yes.
Gosh dude this is so different than anything we've ever gotten related to Ninja Turtles
because it's like the Ninja Turtles have like haven't had that teenage feel until now and
it works so freaking well.
It works way better than I thought it was going to.
Right.
Yeah that freaking the scene where they're just goofing off on top of that building just
filming each other throwing freaking ninja stars at watermelons over each other's heads.
I'm just like yeah that's something teenagers would do.
I love it.
Oh absolutely.
Like oh my gosh dude this movie is going to be the shit.
It is and dude the voice cast oh man.
The cat holy balls dude.
This cast is going to be ridiculous.
Yeah.
Freaking the one that like stood out to me right when they announced it Jackie Chan as
master splinter.
Dude like can you say perfection.
Yeah dude this this feels like Seth's Rogan Seth Rogan's love child.
Dude yes seriously though it really does.
Like this feels like he went who would like teenagers cast as the Ninja Turtle villains
and he just ran with that and he's like I like that.
That's exactly how it feels like freaking ice cube voicing superfly or John Cena voicing
rock steady.
I mean Seth Rogan doing bebop.
That actually works perfectly.
I'm sure he just wanted to be in the movie but like that is actually like perfect casting.
Yeah for freaking Paul Rudd is in here.
Rose Byrne.
Jean Carlo Esposito.
Freaking Maya Rudolph.
Hannibal Burr Hannibal Bures post Malone.
Holy balls dude.
This is a killer cast.
This is going to be the.
I dare say this might be the best animated feature of the year.
I am damn near willing to call that now.
Okay that's a bold statement but I know.
I hope I'm not eating that the statement like when the movie comes out.
I mean you might considering Spider-Verse.
Oh shit I forgot about that.
Yeah across the Spider-Verse comes out this year buddy.
Oh damn.
This is going to be the year for animated film then.
Yeah considering it's those two and then that new Pixar movie Elemental isn't that what
it was called.
Elemental I don't have the highest hopes for.
Like don't get me wrong I think it'll be good.
But I don't know if he'll be on the same level as this movie and maybe I'm just like super
hyped because the trailer was absolutely bitchin.
But I don't think Elemental is going to be on the same level like.
Dude I dare say Pixar or Disney Pixar.
I know Pixar is not doing is Pixar doing Elemental.
Yeah it's Pixar.
Okay I think Pixar is going to get left in the dirt with some of these studios.
Talking shit on Pixar huh.
Dude my issue is like Pixar animation like it's you can distinguish Pixar animation I
feel out of like anything.
Kind of the same situation with Disney animation.
It's very like realistic it's simplistic it's kind of it's basically what Disney it's basically
a 3D version of just Disney hand drawn shit.
And Pixar has gotten a little bit better with kind of like caricatures of people.
Like and I'm thinking like Coco Incanto is Incanto Pixar.
No Incanto is Disney.
Okay whatever.
These two are so intertwined.
No I won't.
He'll learn don't worry guys I'll make sure that he does.
The basically what I'm getting at Pixar and Disney have very distinct styles that are
very easy to just kind of pick out.
And I don't think that it is as interesting as what Dreamworks is doing or maybe even
Illumination.
I know Illumination is kind of well that one might be a stretch.
Dreamworks though is freaking rocking it.
I mean that Mario movie animation is looking incredible.
I'll give you that.
I will definitely give you that.
Yeah we forgot about that one.
What about Mario do you think that could be a contender for best animated film of the
year?
No.
Really?
I think it will be good but not animated of the year.
Okay alright.
But yeah it's just.
It's making some bold calls here people.
I know like so this I think people are like just itching for more stylized film.
And this is exactly that.
It is as stylized as you can possibly get.
Like all of the line work that you see it's all very like rough.
And it almost looks like coloring outside the lines a little bit.
But it works really well.
Yeah that's true.
So I'm loving what they're doing.
The animation studio was doing that real quick.
Paramount.
Oh okay.
So yeah Paramount's.
This might be something that blows Paramount up.
At least in terms of animation.
I guess we'll find out in August.
Yeah I am extremely excited for this movie.
Or actually it's just distributed by Paramount.
It's not the studio.
So it's showing.
Oh Paramount Animation.
I didn't know that they have their own animation division but cool.
Yeah so the production companies are Paramount Animation, Nickelodeon Movies, and Point Grey
Pictures.
Which Point Grey is founded by Seth Rogen.
Okay cool.
So I am extremely excited for what this movie is going to offer.
Like we said the cast is off the hook.
And the kids that they chose to play the turtles.
Like we have, there's only one that I actually know.
So I don't know any.
So Donatello is voiced by Micah Abbey who has been in a lot of Disney stuff.
Oh okay.
He was in a lot of episodes in this show called Cousins for Life on Disney.
It looks like Disney.
I'm not sure if it is.
It might be Nick but it's like sitcom-esque.
The rest it's been like super small parts.
Like he was in two episodes of Grey's Anatomy, one episode of three different shows.
Like he hasn't been in a lot.
So this is going to be something that I think blows up his career.
Like this is going to be super good for him.
Mikey is going to be voiced by Shimon Brown Jr. who has only been in one show and it's
called The Chi.
It's a Showtime movie.
Or show.
Not a movie, show.
So yeah he's been in a majority of those episodes.
But that's all he's been in.
Then Leo is going to be voiced by Nicholas Cantu who hasn't been in a whole lot of shit.
Just random episodes here and there.
Like it's just maybe one episode, two episodes through just random shit.
Oh!
Do you watch Have You Ever Seen the Amazing World of Gumball?
No I'm not.
Do you know what the show is though?
Yeah I've seen maybe like a little clips of it.
Never actually.
Like the blue cat?
Yeah.
So he was the voice of Gumball.
No shit.
Oh cool.
Yeah his voice actually fits really well for Leo.
I think it does too.
The only one that I kind of, maybe it's just because I'm, Donny's my favorite.
His voice is maybe a little too high for me.
His is like the only one I have a slight problem with but I'm still okay with it.
The other three sound fantastic.
I'll give you that.
Anyway then last up we got Raph who's going to be voiced by Brady Noon.
And you should know who that is.
He was Thor the spiky haired kid in Good Boys.
Oh shit that's him?
Yeah he was also the voice of Greg Heffley in the animated Diary of a Wimpy Kid and Roderick
Wool.
He was.
Yeah he was because I remember like complaining that why does Greg have a deeper voice than
Roderick that doesn't make any sense.
Yeah so he's voicing Raph.
Alright no wonder I love the voice so much.
Okay I love it.
Kid's actually pretty good at voice acting.
Yeah he's a great voice actor.
At least from what we got.
So I do hope that they stick with the typical hierarchy of the turtles where Leo's the leader.
It kind of seems like it's going that route because Leo wasn't like actively participating
in the shenanigans that all the other turtles were.
That is very true.
It kind of seemed like oh as leader he needed to go be like a supervisor.
Yeah that's true.
Well and also like the ending when they're talking to April about the whole what does
she say?
Goo but then they're just like I mean you could say it that way but we like ooze it just rolls
off the tongue.
Yeah wasn't like Leo like you could like he was like straight up at the front of the
packs and like the other three were kind of like a little behind him so I feel like they
kind of know that he's the main one.
He's the man in charge but which is how it should be.
Oh yeah absolutely.
Like Leo's always kind of been the perfect leader.
Oh yeah TM if you guys disagree whenever someone says oh I completely disagree you know Raphael
should be the leader I'm just like go watch TMNT.
Go watch TMNT.
That movie tells you exactly why Raph shouldn't be the leader but in the perfect way it's
not disrespectful to either of the characters.
Just there is a reason why Raphael should not be the leader.
That it should always be Leonardo.
Yeah exactly.
Like that's how I've always felt.
I'm just like even like thinking about who else could lead the turtles.
Mikey is just too fun.
Like too kind of laid back too free willy to lead.
Donatello I think is too logical.
It's too logical for his own good where it's like maybe it would become more of a he'd
be a bigger problem.
I think making the decisions and trying to analyze every little thing before he like
attacks and it just ended up not working out very well.
And then Raph has anger issues.
So it's like Leo's just kind of the natural leader to that.
So he's the most mellow headed out of all of them.
Yeah absolutely.
Like even I think even in the adaptation that they had where it was like Raph was leading
like from what I've seen Raph's pretty hot headed in that too.
Yeah oh yeah rise of the teenage mutant turtles.
Yeah which I hear like overall is like once you kind of get over some weird stuff it's
actually a really I hear it's good series.
Yeah and dude the theme song is a freaking banger.
Like that is one of my favorite theme songs of the whole franchise.
Oh damn.
Yeah have you heard the theme song?
I don't think I have.
Okay you got to listen to it after this episode.
Actually I'm going to take or pause it real quick and listen to the theme song.
Alright.
Okay that was a banger.
Right?
It's so good.
Dude that had like everything that had like everything I love from like the original theme
song that just the typical like teenage mutant ninch like that one.
Oh my gosh that's a banger dude.
Yeah the way they described all the turtles perfect.
It's a great theme song.
That was a damn good theme song.
Alright so gosh I might just watch it for the theme song.
That was damn good.
But yeah I don't have too much else to say about this.
Like no I'm stoked.
I'm over the moon.
I'm really excited for this.
The cast alone is just going to be the bomb.
Dude straight up.
Are they going for an older?
Oh yeah they are.
It looks like they're going for an older April.
Like we talking like in our 20s?
I would say early 20s it seems.
Alright.
Yeah what the shit?
Oh snap.
Dude the freaking the chick that they got to play.
Oh what?
Yeah so the chick that they got to play April is going to be in Thunderbolts.
No shit.
Yeah so her name is Ayo Edibiri.
So most people would probably recognize her if you guys watch it.
From the Bear which is on Hulu.
It's the cooking show.
Trying to see what else she's in.
She's a really good actress.
I freaking loved her in the Bear.
Yeah there's not really anything else that you would have seen her in.
But I really like her.
She kind of like I...
It'll be interesting to see how old April ends up being because she does have a voice
that sounds a lot younger than she is.
So I mean they could take it either way.
Like make her the same age as the turtles or older.
Like whatever they end up doing.
So like I said nothing but excitement for this movie.
Agreed.
Well that's all that we got for Through the Wall.
So what do you say we move on to our headliner of the year?
I say let's do it.
Alright.
Alright so for this week's headliner we'll be breaking down Creed III.
Caleb would you like to let everybody know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
So if you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies up into eight individual
categories that we score to come to a final All Bros letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes, and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us
a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar score.
The Gradehouse score is what's most important but we do get a percentage as well just to
see where ranking wise within that scoring block they are.
One day I'll come up with a better way to explain that but.
Hey it's okay.
So if you have not seen Creed III this...
Honestly I don't 100% know if you have to see the other two.
You know what I was thinking the same thing like because they kind of give you a refresher.
A little bit.
So I mean definitely go see the first one at least.
The second one I feel is a little too much of a Rocky movie so I think that one can be
skipped.
The only thing that I think would confuse people because...
Oh is the freaking...
Because what's his face?
Victor comes in.
Yeah Victor Drago.
Yeah that's like the only thing I can think of that would people be like where the hell
did he come from?
Okay and well we'll say this just if you haven't seen the other two Creed's you probably will
be okay.
Just know that there's going to be some things that you miss but we would suggest watching
the other two.
That is what we did in preparation for this because we didn't want to score this unfairly
about like maybe things that they threw in as Easter eggs.
Don't count us doing this all the time though.
Like we did this because there was only two movies and they just happened to pop up on
HBO Max.
Even after I...
Oh my god.
That was hilarious dude.
Literally.
I freaking so last week when we recorded this it's on Tuesday.
I'm like okay so we need to watch Creed 1 and 2 and so on Voodoo they were having a
sale for or a bundle pack of the first two for 10 bucks.
I'm like okay you know that's a really good deal.
10 bucks each so I bought it.
Literally the next day Caleb texts me, Rose did you see what they put on HBO Max?
I'm like son of a bitch.
So I was logging on to watch The Last of Us because I wasn't able to catch the episode
when it got released on Sunday.
So I was logging in to watch that and I saw the Creed and I was like oh no.
Did they ever email you back?
I forgot to ask.
Oh yeah they did.
What did they say?
I'm sure they said oh sorry we can't.
That is an excellent question.
One moment.
So the email I said that you needed to provide the following information, device used, exact
title of the content purchased, and dates and amounts of charges.
And that's it.
But it doesn't get a link to it.
That is very specific.
But it doesn't get a link to enter any of that.
I guess they just want you to reply to the email with the, I don't know.
It's 10 bucks.
That's all good.
But now you got Creed 1 and 2.
So you know, there you go.
True.
But anyway, off that side note, yeah real quick also we had a question of the week in
reference to this movie.
Oh yes, I almost forgot.
So we did something that we haven't done before where we kind of had a, we put a poll in our
video.
And so anyway, for those of you that don't know, on TikTok and Instagram we post a question
of the week in reference to Creed 3.
And we asked between peak Adonis Creed and peak Rocky Balboa if they were to go into
like a boxing match who would win.
And we got a couple responses that were, so we just did like a poll, like Creed versus
Rocky.
And Rocky took this by storm.
Yeah, he ended up getting 68% of the votes.
God damn.
Wow, where's the love for Adonis?
Over on Instagram because Instagram he got 75% of the votes.
Hell yeah.
Woo, go Creed.
Yeah, and then actually technically it was 66% just because I had to like vote to be
able to see what the count was.
And there were only three votes.
Awesome.
So okay, there were two votes for Creed, one vote for Rocky.
So yeah, I thought that was pretty funny.
We did get some comments on that video.
So the first response we got is from the Sigma Chucky who said, I feel like it would be Creed
but at the same time it would be Balboa.
And I said, yeah, kind of a tough one.
Super tough, tough decision.
Next up we got from Snoogans.
They said Rocky, I've contemplated this for a while and I got to say Rocky.
And then DJ comes out of left corner with saying Clubber Lang.
Love it.
My man, DJ, my man.
Yeah, so Clubber Lang is a boxer from another Rocky movie, one that obviously we haven't
seen.
Yeah, I've heard the name.
Yeah, so he was played by Mr. T.
Oh, okay.
Oh, no, man, I'm going for neither.
I'm putting my money on Diamond Dame.
That's all I'm putting my money on.
Diamond Dame?
Yep.
I'm putting my money on Damien.
That's a spoiler, what I was about to say.
Nice catching yourself.
Good job.
Yeah, you're out of your mind.
We'll see.
Yeah.
So we got that responses and then like I said, we got a bunch of interactions with our poll.
Like a majority of the people that watched our video did our poll and it was just completely
on the side of Rocky.
So we definitely got to do these again.
Oh yeah.
Start doing these more often.
Cool.
Yeah.
So we're doing pretty well.
So anyway, thank you to everyone that responded and clicked on the poll.
I am unfortunately not going to be able to tag every single one of you because there
was a lot, but I will be tagging the people that did put a comment in.
So thank you all of you for.
Before we get into this, if you have not seen Creed 3, please do yourself a favor and go
check this out before Rose spoils the entire freaking movie for you.
Yep.
All right.
Let's see how this reading with Rose segment goes.
All right.
In 2002 Los Angeles, a young Adonis Donny Creed sneaks out with his best friend, Golden Gloves
champion Damian Diamond Dame Anderson to watch him compete in an underground boxing match.
After Dame's victory, he tells Donny about his aspirations to turn professional and become
a world champion.
During a detour at a liquor store, Donny impulsively attacks a man named Leon.
In 2017, Donny fights and wins in a rematch against pretty Ricky Conlon, newly released
from his sentence and working his way back to be a contender for a championship fight.
Donny retires from boxing to focus on his wife, Bianca and their daughter Amara.
Three years later, Donny runs Delphi Boxing Academy with his coach, Tony Little Duke Evers
Jr. and is promoting his prodigy world champion, Felix El Guerrero Chavez in a match against
Victor Drago.
Due to her hearing problems, Bianca forgoes performing and becomes a successful producer.
All the two keep watch over the declining health of Donny's adoptive mother, Mary Ann.
Amara aspires to become a boxer like Donny, which gets her in trouble at school for punching
another student.
Dame reconnects with Donny after getting out of jail, to whom he shares desires to continue
his boxing career.
Donny reluctantly invites Dame to the gym to spar with Chavez, however his aggressive
style draws scorn from Chavez and Duke.
Donny later visits Donny's home, where he meets his family and shares about their time
together at a group home, which Bianca has never heard of.
Privately Dame asks for a little shot against Chavez, citing Donny's previous 1 in a million
shot which Donny refuses.
At a party for Bianca's record label, Dame cryptically tells Bianca about Leon and that
Adonis was keeping it a secret from her.
Drago is attacked by an unknown assailant and becomes too injured to participate in
his match against Chavez.
Not wanting to lose the money spent on the event, Donny suggests Dame as an opponent,
pitching an underdog fight much like Rocky Balboa's first title shot, which Chavez accepts.
During the fight, Dame fights dirty but knocks out Chavez, winning the undisputed heavyweight
championship.
Following the match, an uneasy Donny visits Mary Ann, who shows him letters Dame wrote
to Donny while in prison that she kept from him due to believing he was a bad influence.
One letter contains a picture showing Dame with a fellow inmate that Donny recognizes
as the one who assaulted Drago.
Realizing Dame orchestrated the attack, Donny confronts him.
Dame reveals that he manipulated all their encounters to set him up as a champion before
giving him a black eye.
Donny is unable to open up to Bianca about his guilt over Dame, who revels in his newfound
fame and publicly slanders Donny as a fraud who turned his back on him.
Mary Ann suffers another stroke and dies.
After her funeral, Donny confesses to Bianca the truth that Leon was the abusive caregiver
in the group home he and Dame lived in before he was adopted.
After Donny attacked Leon at the liquor store, a brawl against Leon's friends ensued, causing
Dame to pull a gun.
As the police arrived, Donny fled but Dame was arrested.
Attempting to block out the memory, Donny never contacted Dame out of shame and guilt.
Knowing Dame would not stop defaming him, he tells Bianca there's only one way to bring
him down.
Donny goes on first take, where Dame calls in to goad Donny over the phone.
Donny decides to come out of retirement and challenges Dame for the championship, which
she accepts.
After training with Duke and a recovered Drago, Donny faces Dame in the Battle of Los Angeles
at Dodger Stadium.
Donny faces Dame in a grueling, evenly matched affair.
Donny has visions of his abusive foster home and Dame's life in jail, leading to a knockdown
in the final round.
Donny sees his family in the crowd and lets go of his fear and guilt using Duke's advice.
Adonis rises and intimidates a tired Dame, delivering a knockout to win the match and
championship.
Afterwards, Donny reconciles with Dame, with both men admitting it was not the other's
fault.
Donny joins Bianca and Amara in the ring in the empty stadium where he pretends to box
with Amara.
Oh man.
Dude, such an improvement from the second movie.
Dude, straight up.
You know what?
I'm going to say probably a very unpopular opinion with this movie.
So I know, I'm sure a lot of people know that Sylvester Stallone was not in this movie.
He had his resyncs, blah blah blah blah blah.
I did not miss him.
I'm sorry.
Like literally once the credits started rolling I'm like, oh yeah, Rocky wasn't in this movie.
But I didn't notice because the story and the characters were just that freaking good.
And I love that this is actually, it's finally Adonis' story.
It's just all focused on him.
We don't have like them like, and I know like they didn't try to focus on Rocky in the first
two, but it still felt like they were hanging on to that.
Like, oh, we got to make sure that we give Rocky a good amount of spotlight just because
you know, he's the character that started this franchise.
So, you know, we got to bring the people that love that, love this franchise for him back
to see these movies.
But the fact that he's not in this, I didn't miss him.
Maybe it's just because I haven't seen any of the Rocky movies.
These are the only Rocky franchise movies that I have seen.
So yeah, Sylvester Stallone wasn't in this and I didn't miss him one bit.
Nothing against Sylvester Stallone.
Just didn't miss him.
Dude, that is exactly what my issue was with the second one.
It felt so much like it was focused around Rocky, kind of hidden by the fact that it
was Drago, the one that killed Apollo, which I mean, it tracks like the motivation was
there, but it's they focus so heavily on Rocky's feelings about the fight that it really distracted
from Adonis and Adonis deserved better.
He really did, but he got way better in this one.
He got so much better in this one.
Like he got treated right, I feel.
And it is so freaking good.
Like I'm like I'm with you.
I was kind of about Rocky not being there.
I know that it was that there was kind of drama behind the scenes, but I'm glad that
he wasn't in this, too.
I think if he was, it would have just kind of distracted and felt like another Rocky
movie, whereas this actually truly felt like it was Adonis's story.
I want to say it was in an interview that they asked Michael B. Jordan, you know, like
about the absence of Sylvester Stallone and everything.
And he said, I'm going to tell you this right now.
Most fans that have watched the Creed movies, some of them haven't even seen a Rocky movie.
So they really could probably care less if Rocky was in the third one.
But he was very, what's the word, civil.
I don't think there's any bad blood between Michael B. Jordan and Sylvester Stallone.
I could be wrong.
No, absolutely not.
Because he said he's more than welcome to come back whenever he wants.
Yeah, they've said that, but Sylvester agreed to help produce this movie because of how
much he enjoyed working with Michael B. Jordan.
The reason that he wasn't in this is because he now refuses to be in any of the movies.
He refuses to work with the Wexlers.
He's in because he wants to, he wants to all the rights to Rocky.
I think it's something along those lines.
Yeah.
But I'm like, okay, like, whatever.
But again, it's just, I don't, I don't think he needed to be in this one.
The first one, I would say, yeah, I think he-
That one made sense.
Oh yeah.
Like that one definitely made sense.
Like it tracks exactly like his motivations there.
Like going to the man that knew most about his father.
Like it tracked, it worked really well for what the movie was.
It wasn't until it was the second one that just, like I said, felt a little too Rocky
for me.
No, I agree.
Adonis really takes a, what's the word?
A, god damn it, a backseat.
Yeah.
In his own freaking movie.
Takes the backseat to his own story.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
Yeah, and it's all because Rocky, like, don't get me wrong, freaking Rocky and his motivational,
like pump up speeches were the shit.
But he didn't need to be in it as much as he was.
So with this one, I am really glad that it was just solely Adonis' story.
I think they did an excellent job, like giving him like a proper motivation, kind of not
being super predictable like the second one was.
The second one, I compare to a freaking Dragon Ball movie.
Or, not a movie, a Dragon Ball show.
Because in Dragon Ball, a new enemy appears, beats up the hero, the hero narrowly escapes
with his life.
He then turns around and trains super hard and then comes back and defeats the bad guy
in like a, in a, just, I don't know how to explain it, but just comes and defeats the
enemy that previously beat him up.
And everyone cheers and blah blah blah.
Like, freaking, it's just so formulaic and that's exactly what they did.
Yeah.
That is exactly what they did with the second one.
To a freaking T. Like, oh, Victor Drago's this total freaking badass and whooped him
within an inch of his life and then he comes and he's like, you need to train to old school
and like this is how I beat him.
Like, freaking, like, come on, dude.
Like, I can give a flying shit about how you beat Drago way back when, at least now.
So I did appreciate that in this one they brought Victor back and it kind of like took
me back for a minute, but then I'm like, wait, the only reason that Victor was fighting was
to make his, for his dad to love him, to make him happy.
Like he was only in this because he knew the story between his dad and Rocky.
So you know, he wanted to help his dad out.
There was no bad blood between him and Adonis.
Oh yeah.
And I think that dude did amazingly well at like showing that.
Oh yeah.
Like even in the second one, like he was throwing his gloves up, like he was trying to be super
respectful and everything.
It was Adonis that was being a freaking dick.
Yeah, seriously.
Yeah.
And if you come on, if you don't touch gloves, you're a freaking asshole.
Yeah.
That's just like a super disrespectful move.
Like honestly, if I was Victor and he didn't do that, I'm going to knock your ass out and
I'm going to enjoy it this time, buddy.
Yeah.
But like, like focusing on this one, it was nice to see that they were able to overcome
those hurdles and become friends, I guess.
I mean, that's what I would view it as.
I would think so.
I mean, he came when Adonis asked him to, to help him out for this, the match against
Damien.
So it wasn't even necessarily Adonis that asked.
I think it was Duke, but he came to like support.
He came to support Adonis in his time of need.
Yeah.
Like that was great and really well done.
The dude, the story that they that they told was was incredible.
I love that they did like these flashbacks.
Dude, I do because I don't know about you, but like at the beginning of the first one
when we're first introduced to Adonis as a kid and you know, it's right before, what's
her name?
Gloria?
Is that her name?
His mom?
Marianne.
I don't know where I got Gloria.
Sorry.
You know, before she, you know, you know, picks him up on the fight that he gets into
and everything, like, I don't know, like, I was very curious, curious to see like, okay,
before this moment, like how bad was his childhood?
Like the, you know, the fact that his dad was Apollo Creed, his dad died when he was
young.
I was very, very curious to see not only what happened before, but what happened after because
Dame Damien and him didn't like, did they know each other like super young or was it
like when we were introduced to them, was that like, like, oh, oh, no, they had to have
known each other for quite a while, right?
Like probably since they were like pretty young kids.
So they were in like the group home together.
Okay.
Adonis was kind of like Adonis had been adopted at that point when they were, when he was
sneaking off to go to the fights with, with Damien.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
So this, so they knew them.
So Adonis knew Damien prior to him being adopted by Marianne.
Gotcha.
Okay.
Makes sense.
And yeah.
So like that relationship was already there.
It's just not something that we saw because it was just like he was in juvie.
Yeah.
Which honestly, the way that they set it up in this movie, I feel was like perfect.
I, I didn't really need more.
I would have been fine getting more about their, their relationship as, as a younger,
younger, I mean, they were honestly brothers, so like younger brothers.
But I'm okay with what we got.
Like they, they told us what we needed to know to understand where each, each one was
coming from.
Yeah, exactly.
I think they did an excellent job just crafting this, this story and getting us to understand
why the bad blood was there.
I do have a question for you.
So when he gets out of jail, Damien says he spent 18 years.
Yes.
Okay.
Maybe I just didn't catch it.
But was the only thing that he went to jail for was having a gun?
So what else did they say it was?
It was kind of a, it was a violation of his parole because he, he had already been in
trouble before.
And so he like getting caught with the gun, him being a legal adult and all, like all
that just kind of stacked up against him.
So he was just more like not, he was trying to actively avoid trouble.
Okay.
And so when that came, when that whole situation came up, it was just, they caught an 18 year
old pulling a gun on someone with two witnesses and just shit storm, just an complete and
utter shit storm.
Okay.
That makes more sense.
Yeah, so it's, it's, it tracks that he would have been, and then like on top of that, you
had to add the assault charges.
Yeah, that's true.
So it sucks.
It adds up.
Yeah.
Like all that shit just, just add it up.
So I mean, like you understand like why he'd be so pissed cause it's like 18 years of his
life is just gone.
Yeah.
And he was already older than Adonis and wanting to go and claim the championship title.
So it made sense.
And dude, the way that like it built up to this final fight was awesome.
Oh yeah.
This is my fair bill to any final fight in the, in these three movies.
Oh yeah.
It really feels earned.
Yeah.
Like the buildup to the, like I said, with both of those, it felt very Rocky escort.
So like, oh, we get to see him train and it's just training to get to the point of being
able to win this fight with here.
Here, like we get to see the training, but we get to see like the motivation behind it
too.
So speaking of the training, I, sorry, I got to bring this up cause this is the one of
the funniest movie theater experiences I've ever had.
So during like the whole training montage where I don't know if it was, they were going
for Michael B. Jordan or Jonathan Majors.
I think it was Michael B. Jordan, but like, you know, like the scene where like he's like,
you know, shirts off, like sweaty, you know, like really shiny.
There was someone in front of me that was like waving their hand.
They're just like, Oh my God, he's so hot.
It was all this.
I had a fricking bite in my tongue from not laughing.
It was so funny.
Oh my God.
That's an Osler.
Right?
Oh man.
I mean, Michael B. Jordan's a good looking guy or I don't know if it was Jonathan Majors
they were doing it for.
Like I said, I feel it was-
It could have been either of them.
Yeah.
I mean, both look great.
But I would never like fricking just start like fanning myself like, Oh my God, they're
so hot.
Oh my God.
Was it a woman?
No, I think it was a guy.
There was a guy?
Yeah.
It was a guy.
I'm just like, you know what?
Good for you for, you know, showing your pride.
Like you know what?
Like I would not be doing that just because that's, I get embarrassed, but you know what?
Kudos to you for not being ashamed to do that.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
But one thing that I really liked about that scene and usually like with those montage
scenes, like I typically like really dislike those in any sports movie, not just boxing
or whatever.
It's just any sports movie.
His arts like so aggravating, but what I really liked was the, um, seeing the differences
between their training style.
Like Adonis was training for like was winning, was trying to win for something.
Whereas Damien was trying, it felt more like he was trying to show off.
Like all of his workouts were very public.
Everything it didn't, it wasn't like consistent training.
It was just, it seemed like it was more showing off than anything showing off like I'm the
champ and all that stuff.
Whereas Adonis was training in like an airplane hanger by himself.
I mean, obviously like with his trainers and whatnot, but he was training by himself and
he was doing like the mental work and just like getting that out.
And then it just kind of all came to blows during the final fight.
And I'm so glad that with what they did with the final fight.
Dude, you know what I really liked is, um, like I feel for the most part, a lot of like,
um, uh, wow, Adonis' opponents had kind of like the same, not same fighting style, but
the same like blocking stance or like the way that they did.
Damien's was so different.
The way that he would block, the way that he would like do a run up or just, I appreciated
that so much that their fighting styles were so different.
I loved that.
Yeah.
I think the, the cinematography for this was, was done incredibly well.
It really like showed the, um, the contrast between their fighting styles.
Whereas Damien's was just super rough, like going in for like the big blows and Adonis
was just ducking and weaving and like putting up a fight, like strategy was behind it rather
than wild haymakers.
Dude, I will say it was, it was honestly kind of hard watching, um, Damien, uh, fight Chavez.
Like for how fricking brutal and just him, like, I love how that worked up.
Dude, I love how the ref's just like, the, the ref is literally just like, you know what,
maybe he needs to look, take another look at that rule book.
Yeah, cause he's fighting dirty.
Yeah.
He was like, God damn.
Like it was, it was bad, but
Yeah like fricking when he did like the elbow to his face, it was, it was his elbow, right?
The clipped his face.
Yeah.
I was like, Oh shit.
Yeah.
He was fighting dirt.
Like I think boxing is only like, hold on.
All right.
The commonly accepted rules for boxing.
Fighters may not hit below the belt, trip, hold, kick, headbutt, bite, push, or spit
on opponents.
You cannot strike with your head, forearm, or elbows.
You cannot hit with an open glove, wrist or backhand, only closed fist punches.
Fighters may not strike their opponent in the back, back of the head, neck, or kidneys.
You cannot hold or use the ropes to gain leverage for a punch.
Basically following what the referee says.
You cannot hit an opponent once they are knocked down.
A floored boxer has 10 seconds to get up before being declared loser.
Boxers hit with an accidental low blow, given a specified amount of time to recover, usually
five minutes.
If they are unable to at the end of their time, then they are disqualified.
All bouts are scored by three judges.
Okay.
So yeah, he was definitely playing dirty.
Oh yeah.
It just, from what I see, there's nothing against hitting the arm or like that or shoulders,
but it definitely seems like it's a shady thing to do.
Alright, good to know.
I mean, I don't plan ever to get into boxing, but you know, that's good to know.
Yeah, no thanks.
I will say though, I definitely can see an appeal to boxing or just fighting like that
in general, because like, especially if you deal with like anger issues.
Oh yeah.
Like great way to take it out.
Yeah, I feel like boxing or just fighting in general, where you can like release all
that pent up aggression.
Because like, I remember like the fights that I got in with school or the fights I got in
with my brothers.
I know those are different, but typically after those fights, it's like we would fight
it out, give it our all, and then afterwards we'd just be able to like sit there and kind
of come to terms with our differences.
Like it was a good way to just kind of get it out there.
It's almost like being able to feel where that person's at.
It's an interesting way to look at it.
And it's like the conversations that I would have with those people that I would fight
with afterwards weren't like deep or anything.
It's just there was an understanding there.
Like I'm trying to like explain this, but it's like I remember there was like a fight
that I got in that was like a really bad one, where afterwards we were able to like we talked
for a minute, but it just felt like what I was doing was more like defending against
his attacks and maybe like even countering them.
Like it was just stupid schoolhouse fighting, but it felt like he was going after something
with a lot more aggression than I was.
And I was just more like trying to keep him from hurting me.
And then it just kind of afterwards, like you can kind of like still sense that he had
a built up anger within him that I wasn't holding.
But then there's also been times where you could tell that there was like a mutual anger.
It's just I think I forget like where I heard it, but fighting someone I think is the best
way to figure out who someone is.
Because I mean, because you get to see like, do they fight dirty?
Do they have some sort like sense of honor about them?
Like are they going to frickin just like pop you in the nuts and beat the shit out of you?
Like you can always kind of tell who someone is based on how they fight or what they're
holding up.
Like if like if it just kind of starts off like light, light hits and then just kind
of gets more aggressive and like you can sense all that within a fight.
And I think that this movie showed off those feelings really well where Adonis was more
kind of defense, ducking, dodging, trying to get out of the way and showing that he
has an affinity to to run away.
Or that's how he felt that he's a coward that runs away.
And then Damien, who's just holding all this anger in and you can see it just come out
with every punch that he throws.
Like you can see just the weight behind it and it's intimidating for sure.
And I think they they they shot that in such a way that made it way more impactful than
it would be if they just kind of like shot it like a boxing match.
And I think showing that they were both kind of viewing things the same way where like
Adonis was sitting there staring at Damien, seeing the 18 year old version of him and
then Damien doing the same thing staring back at Adonis and seeing the kid version of him.
And then they just, boom, go right at it again and just like the metaphorical fight that
we see where it just you can see that they're giving their all and they're getting thrown
up against like these hurdles like with Adonis getting thrown up and like the the ropes getting
turned into like chain or a like a cell block, like a jail cell or whatever.
It's just it was freaking interesting as hell to watch and I freaking loved it.
But anyway, what are you sitting at with the story?
For how much I just enjoyed this story just that focused on Adonis didn't mention Rocky
at all.
I don't think they did.
I don't think I ever.
They mentioned him a couple of times.
Did?
Yeah, or referenced him.
They said his name once and I think they made a reference to him later.
OK, but not like like the fact, like I said, like to me, he wasn't missed.
Like I'm glad that and like I said, it's nothing against Sylvester Stallone.
But the fact that this was truly Adonis's story, him having to deal with his past, just
everything that was thrown at him this time around was done so well and it was such a
great story.
So I think I'm sitting at like a I'm going 93.
Nice.
I was around there too.
I'm actually sitting at 92.
OK.
Oh yeah.
All right.
Moving on over to writing.
Is it just me or when because I got a one when this movie comes out in 4k, I'm buying
it.
There's no doubt.
But I definitely got to make sure that the subtitles are on because whenever they have
those mouth guards in, I can barely understand a word they're saying.
Dude, that is the one thing that I missed from the other two because I was able to watch
them with subtitles.
Right.
Whenever they put their mouth guard in, I'm like, God damn it.
Well, now I'm not going to be able to understand what the hell you're saying.
I'll try, but it's going to be hard.
Yeah.
Like when I'm going to definitely rewatch this with with subtitles, like it got real
difficult to understand sometimes.
I'm just like, can you just like take it out for a second?
I mean, that's not a writing issue.
No, that's not even an issue with like the movie in general.
It's just like one of those annoying like, gosh damn it.
Wish they would have thought this through.
Yeah.
But I felt like writing would be like the only part that like wouldn't make sense.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not even I have a hard time.
I just want to bring it up.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm completely on board with you.
It was really difficult to understand sometimes.
But I mean, honestly, I feel the writing was just as strong as the story.
It absolutely was like it was incredibly written.
Like I'm really happy with how they handled the conversations that Damien and Adonis had.
Seriously.
I mean, they were done so especially their first interaction together after all those
years.
That was done so tastefully.
Oh my gosh, dude.
It was it was weird because it's like you could feel that tension when they were just
kind of sitting there.
Like you could feel how awkward it was.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
And then like, like any time that they talked, like I kind of found myself like just feeling
really tense until the last conversation that they had.
And I kind of felt a little bit more at ease.
I was the same way.
Like they did so good with that.
I don't know what the hell it was that they did, but you could just feel it, like feel
how those conversations were going.
Like the first like the first one, you could you could feel like it was just an awkward
tension.
And then kind of the same deal when they were like eating at his house.
And then once he'd won the title and was at the beach or whatever, doing his thing, like
partying it up and kind of exposing himself for like like what he was doing.
And like you could feel that betrayal from Adonis.
And you knew just like, oh, man, like something bad is happening.
And just you could feel just that sunken feeling in your chest.
And then at the end, when they have that that final heart to heart and that sense that they're
moving on from each other again, you can feel kind of all that tension just kind of is gone.
It's just at a total calm.
Oh, I was so afraid that they weren't going to make amends.
Once the once the fight was over, I was scared, but I'm glad that that I mean, I'm sure people
will think, oh, well, that's just so stereotypical.
Of course, they were going to make amends.
I don't care if it was considering how much I loved both of these characters.
I definitely wanted them to leave on right terms.
I wanted them to make amends, move on from their past.
I don't know if I would say that they made amends.
I think they I mean, I think they came to an understanding.
Like just kind of understanding, like, yeah, we like we were kids.
We were just young, stupid kids.
Shit happens.
Blah, blah, blah.
But I think when they left, it was more moving on than anything.
Like I don't think that they like reconciled where they were like back to being friends
again.
I think it was very much like this this friendship has run its course.
And it was kind of like it felt like a final goodbye to Dane.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It was just kind of that seldom just like that heartbreak you feel when something like
that happens, like that loss of a friendship.
I know.
It's never fun.
Sucks.
I don't recommend it.
Yeah.
And like most of them just kind of like slowly fade out or whatever.
But this one just was ended abruptly.
So you could definitely see why that hurt was was there.
And I don't think that was an easy decision or choice for Adonis or Damien to make.
But it's one of those things it's like they needed to to make it.
Yeah, that way.
So I thought that was really well done.
Like those how if I did if it was a script like I'm I'm I'm crediting the script for
that for those like conversations because that was just fantastic.
Well, even the relation, the the conversations between Adonis and Bianca were really fricking
good.
Oh, especially when he finally comes clean to her and just finally lets lets all of his
emotions out.
Such excellent writing.
It is so good.
And then like it was so interesting watching him train Amara, his daughter, like with the
fighting because he's talking about all these things about like, oh, it's not about power
speed, it's about control.
And when he's like having that internal struggle of controlling his emotions, it was it was
so well crafted.
This movie was done so good.
And I like that this team is freaking off the hook.
So the the writing credits for this.
So Ryan Coogler wrote the story and then the screen was so good.
Yeah.
And then it looks like maybe his brother and someone else, Zach Bailen.
What did he work on?
Oh, he's so his only credits are Creed three and Richard.
I've never heard of Richard or King Richard.
Oh, King Richard.
Yeah, sorry.
In Coogler.
He's OK.
So he wrote the screenplay for Space Jam, a new legacy.
He definitely was able to come back from that with this.
He did a lot better with this.
So I mean, I think I think they did an amazing job with the with the script.
So I mean, I'm right with you, given it basically the same as writing.
Yeah.
Like any issues that I had were just kind of like normal conversation stuff.
And that's not really a big gripe.
Yeah.
All right.
So moving on over to acting, we have Michael B. Jordan, who played Adonis Creed, Tess Thompson,
who played Bianca Creed, Jonathan Majors, who plays Damian Anderson, Wood Harris, who
plays Tony Little Duke Burton, Felicia Rashad, who plays Mary Ann Creed, and then Myla Davis
Kent, who plays Amara Creed.
Very interested to see how our top threes might differ, because number three for me
is Tessa Thompson.
Loved her.
I loved her in all three of these movies.
I mean, it's Tessa Thompson.
She's a fantastic actress.
She's the freaking heart of this movie.
Yeah, she really is.
All three of them.
Dude, yeah, straight up.
I felt she had a lot more to do in this one, too, than the second one.
And they even dove more into her character.
I loved her.
Dude, freaking get rid of Rocky.
Yeah.
I'm sorry, we want to focus on the new characters.
Yeah.
I mean, get rid of him for the second.
We saw him in the first.
We're done.
That's all we need.
We just, yeah.
No, just like how her dealing with her music career, how she had to take a step back because
if she kept going, it would have made her hearing even worse and she could have lost
it sooner.
Just, yeah, she did such a great job in this one.
Like I said, as she did in the first two.
I love her in this role.
Number two, I'm going to give to Michael B. Jordan.
Loved him as Adonis Creed.
I always do.
Bold.
I know it is.
Bold freaking statement, bro.
I know it is.
Loved him once again as Adonis Creed.
Fantastic performance.
Just the emotion that he's able to put into this character is truly incredible.
I feel this is the best character that he's played in his career.
Second would probably be.
That's another bold statement.
In my opinion, I think this is the best character he's played in his career.
This is my first introduction to the Rocky franchise.
I feel that's saying a lot considering, as you can see, I'm not that huge into boxing.
Honestly, if it weren't for Caleb saying he wanted to break this one down, probably
never would have checked this one out or checked out any of the Creed movies, but I'm glad
I did because Michael B. Jordan, fantastic in this movie.
Such an incredible performance.
But I got to give number one to Jonathan Majors.
This man is just such an incredible actor.
What was it?
Ant-Man and the Lost Quantumania was the first time I had ever seen this guy act.
Well, wait, no, I'm sorry.
No, Loki, season one, was the first time and absolutely fell in love with the guy.
Amazing actor.
In this movie, he was even better than anything I've ever seen him in.
The heart that he gave to this performance, you could just tell that he was a broken man
for what he went through being 18 years in jail, his friend turning his back on him.
This guy went through the freaking wringer and just all of the emotion that Jonathan
is able to put into this character.
It's so weird saying because there's not a lot of people named Jonathan, I feel.
So it's weird saying my own name for it.
That is also an actor's name.
I know that's weird, but it just feels weird.
Does he spell it like you do too?
No, he spells it the boring way.
He spells it J-O-N.
I spell it the cool way.
Or I'm sure I've told you why my mom spelled it J-O-H-N, right?
I don't think you have.
Okay, so really quick story.
This is like side tangent.
Really, really quick.
So originally, my mom wanted to name me Christopher because Christopher and Christina and my grandma
was just like, no, no, no, we're not going to do that.
She recommended David.
She's like, no, no, no, we don't need another David in the family.
And so my mom's like, okay, what about Jonathan?
She's like, okay, I like that name.
So to piss my grandma off, my mom spelled it J-O-H-N instead of J-O-M.
That's why my name is spelled differently than others spelled Jonathan.
You gotta love those petty things people do.
Yeah, I think it's a freaking hilarious story.
But anyway, getting back to this Jonathan.
Yeah, just such an incredible performance.
I know I wasn't supposed to be the one rooting for him, but I actually wanted him to win
over Adonis.
Just because, I don't know, I love him as an actor.
I loved his character in this.
He was just so good.
I root for the bad guy.
And he's not a bad guy, but he's the opponent.
But I always root for the bad guy, the so-called one you're supposed to be against.
I'm always rooting for him.
I don't know what it is.
I think maybe you're hoping for a redemption.
Yeah, okay, there we go.
That's a good way to look at it.
But yeah, just top-notch performance.
Like I said, Michael B. Jordan was incredible, but Jonathan Majors, just a little bit better
of a performance.
It's barely a step up.
They're neck and neck.
But I gotta give Jonathan Majors number one.
Amazing.
Oh boy.
All right, I'm going to agree with your number three being Tess Thompson.
I absolutely agree with you on everything you said.
She's just an incredible actress.
Definitely one of the best of our current time.
I freaking love her.
I have to give number two to Jonathan Majors.
It's close.
It is, seriously.
It could be a coin flip.
I don't disagree with a single thing that you said about either Michael B. Jordan or
Jonathan Majors.
They are both incredible powerhouses of acting.
But I'm giving number two to Jonathan Majors.
He does an amazing job at playing just this broken and just struggling man that just had
his hopes and dreams just kind of ripped from him.
I think he portrayed that hurt so well in every aspect of his performance.
His audio, or not his audio, just his speech and his physicality when he was fighting was
just, his physicality spoke for itself.
He did so well.
But I'm giving Michael B. Jordan number one.
I think he did exactly what Jonathan Majors did, kind of portrayed how someone who has
past traumas come up, how that person would react.
It was very realistic in my eyes.
But I think what put him just maybe a hair above Jonathan Majors was his more emotional
scenes.
Like one where he's breaking down when his mother passes away or when he's in the ring
facing off against Victor Drago and just kind of having an emotional breakdown and then
just is able to come back from that with just a new resolve.
He pulled that off so well.
So again, these three are just powerhouses of acting ability.
Yes, they are.
So the fact that they've all been in a Marvel movie is freaking hilarious.
They're all in the MCU.
That makes me so happy.
Dude, it kind of makes me think of how freaking, like it's who you know when it comes to freaking
acting.
That's true.
And I think it's like Ryan Coogler has worked with Michael B. Jordan on damn near everything.
Dude, I remember when, you know, before I stopped pursuing a digital cinema degree,
one of the biggest things that they said, I think in like my first class was that if
you do not have your foot in the door in Hollywood or in the movie industry by the time that
you graduate, you literally, you could just throw your degree away because it's going
to be so hard for you to get in after you graduate.
You have to have your foot in the door by the time that you get that diploma.
That's messed up.
Yeah.
What can you do?
But yeah, I mean, Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan have worked on all of Ryan Coogler's
projects.
Like, other than the shorts, like if you look at Ryan Coogler's directing IMDB, he has three
shorts and then it's Fruitvale Station, which features Michael B. Jordan, same as Creed,
same as Black Panther and same as Black Panther Wakanda Forever.
Michael B. Jordan is in every single one of those movies.
I love it.
And then he's in a lot of freaking movies that he's produced too.
Like he's in Creed 2, he's in Space Jam, A New Legacy, he's in Creed 3.
Oh yeah, I forgot the whole freaking Michael Jordan joke.
I remember that.
Yeah.
I mean, he's in a lot of shit, but yeah, definitely a who you know situation here.
I'm not saying it's bad, like I'm not like discounting his.
Yeah they're an amazing team.
Like anything that Michael B. Jordan and Ryan Coogler work on together, I am absolutely
watching.
Yeah, sign me up.
I didn't really have an interest in watching Fruitvale Station until I started realizing
that like how well these two work together.
So definitely, definitely given acting like a really high score.
Because this was just powerful.
How high though?
Honestly, I think I'm like 90, 95.
That's what I was thinking too.
What are you thinking about character development?
This is very, very solid.
I'm assuming we're doing it on Adonis, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay.
I couldn't agree more with you.
Like they did so good.
Even like how we pointed out, how Cale pointed out that even if you haven't seen the first
two Creed, you can still follow along with Adonis' story.
And I think that's what I appreciate so much about this movie is that it gives you like
what you need to know that is what happened in the past.
But the emotional journey that Adonis goes on in this movie from dealing with him having
to come back from retiring to dealing with the loss of his mom, just shit is just thrown
at him left to right.
It's freaking ridiculous.
And the fact that he's able to work through it all and get to the point that he is when
we get to the end credits is just truly amazing of how strong of a character he is.
And I've loved watching his journey throughout these three movies and especially in this
one.
This one is my favorite when it comes to his character development.
So yeah, I'm really I'm pretty freaking high for character development.
I don't know about you.
I don't blame you on the slightest there.
Like they they did exactly what they needed to do for the second.
Like where with the first we get that introduction and just kind of ride that train of who Adonis
is this breaks down who he is to his core and then just builds off of that like so well.
Like it breaks it like literally just breaks it down where he's living this super successful
life, super happy life with his family.
And something comes into his life that just throws a big old wrench in there and having
to see him deal with that on top of his past traumas and everything else in between.
And like you see him struggle with like with everything and he uses boxing to build himself
back up, like just to kind of tear him down, just like fix what needs to be broken or or
what fix what what is broken inside of him, deal with that and come out victorious at
the other side.
Like it's such a good story, at least like based off character.
And this is this is one if they were to announce that no more Creed movies were going to be
made, I'm bummed.
I'd be bummed, but completely understand.
Oh, don't be bummed.
Michael B. Jordan already announced that Creed 4 is definitely happening.
Is it happening?
Mm hmm.
Yeah, he announced last month.
This is going to be an interesting one then.
Yeah, actually.
Okay, I will say this.
There is they open the door for a story to be told there.
And if they go this route, I'm going to be beyond thrilled.
I'm hoping that they do a time jump and show Adonis training Amara.
That is the only story that I will accept.
Fair.
I mean, same here.
Same here.
That.
Yeah, that is the only story that I am prepared to see.
If they do not do that, I'm going to be real pissed.
Fair enough.
Oh, man.
So so so like I said, there is room.
I'm not going to let the fact that there's a fourth one to distract me, but.
They did a really good job.
Kind of capping off Adonis's story.
I think Adonis's story is done.
Agreed.
I think maybe like I said, with with a fourth, I think there is some room, but I don't think
he should be the focus.
Yeah.
I think it needs to be his daughter and training her and all the shit that that struggles that
he can deal with there.
So I I agreed.
I had to do it.
I swear to you, dude.
I had to do it at least once.
I will drop out of this immediately.
Oh, shit.
So I mean, character development wise, I think they did a fantastic job.
They really did.
It's definitely on like higher and in my book.
Where are you sitting?
I would say like I'm a tad below acting.
So I think I might go in 94.
I think I might be with you there.
I think I'm sitting at like 93.
All right.
Next up, we got effects, which for this, this wasn't very special effects heavy at all.
I don't think I mean, this is just more stunt work and and whatnot.
I will say and I think it's like in all three, I appreciate that they use the Phantom cameras
in this movie when it comes to someone getting punched in the face like hardcore because
I feel I'm pretty sure it's only with the Phantom camera that you can actually like
literally see the skin like come off of someone's face.
And it's just so perfect for a box for like any boxing movie.
So I love that they're I'm assuming you're using Phantom cameras for that because it
just adds so much more brutality to how messed up boxing can be.
It's freaking insane.
No kidding there.
Like, dude, that freaking shot where they both were just wrecked each other across the
face.
That was just picture perfect.
Right.
Oh, so good.
But also, ow.
Yeah, boxing looks like it sucks.
Dude, especially whenever like someone goes for like the frickin ribs and my oh, yeah,
that's one of the biggest reasons why I would never do that shit.
F that.
Yeah, dude, I.
I feel like I talk a big game.
I don't know if I could handle getting punched in the in the gut.
Right.
Well, actually, I think I could take body shots pretty well.
I don't know if I could take a shot to the head very well.
All right.
We're going to test this when I come out next.
We're going to we're going to have an all bros boxing match.
We're going to film it.
It's going to be awesome.
So, dude, not even attempt like that is something.
Let's say that that's something we're going to do.
We both know that's a lie.
Do not lie to our audience members.
OK, I'm sorry.
Frickin asshole.
But I already I I would even put my money on Caleb because I know Caleb could kick
my ass.
So I wouldn't.
Dude, I've never been in a fight in my life.
I'll give you that then.
OK, see?
Yeah.
So I think you got this in the bag.
Fair.
I'll give you that then.
So what do you think it like effects wise?
Because I mean, this movie is just killer.
Like the action.
It's so cool.
The stunt work was amazing.
It was the physicality that both Michael B. Jordan and Jonathan Majors were able to
portray.
Like their hits felt like.
Like felt powerful.
Like every hit that landed was just felt like, oh, damn.
So I'm really high with this one, too.
You know, I think I'm going to be the same as writing.
We go 92.
I think I'm a tad lower.
I think I'm sitting in like a 90 with this one.
Fair enough.
All right.
Next up, we got music.
I think it's a killer soundtrack.
The soundtrack was really good.
I don't think it's I have a hard time thinking it's in the nine or ten range.
Oh, yeah, I'm at an eight.
That's exactly where I'm at, too.
It was it enhanced the scenes significantly.
Yeah.
And like, I'm super impressed with everything that they pulled off with the music.
It's just I think he was just missing some like bangers.
That's fair.
And can I say I am really glad that they didn't throw in the Rocky theme song like they did
in the two I was to you.
I don't think they set out to do this, but you can definitely tell that they try to separate
this one from the first two and showcasing that, hey, we don't always have to associate
ourselves with the Rocky franchise, even though this is called Creed.
It doesn't always have to be linked back to Rocky.
And I loved that.
Yeah, exactly.
Like I said, that was my issue with like the that was a big issue that I had with the first
two.
I'm just like, I don't know if you should have been playing Rocky or like the theme
song of Rocky.
It's just the fact that they wouldn't even play the full thing.
That irritated me.
So it's like, play the whole damn thing.
Come on, please.
So eight is well deserved.
I think honestly, if they would have thrown in the theme song, I probably would have bumped
it down to a seven.
You know what?
I'll agree with that.
I'll agree.
Yeah.
All right.
Costumes.
I mean, they're they're really the way that I'm like grading the costumes is like how
like like their shorts, I guess, looks like the design.
That's like one of my biggest things was the design of each of their like shorts, which
fricking looked badass, especially I liked how Damien's actually had like a fricking
diamond on it.
That was fricking awesome.
Especially I also liked how the E for Dame wasn't even like a full E was just three lines.
But you know, that's that's how you know, like E is done in some iterations.
So I really like that.
And then Adonises looked great.
Yeah, I know, like all even I'm fricking Chavez's especially those looked really, really cool.
Dude, they did some great shit with these costumes.
The like for one, fricking Creed shorts were the shit.
I love that they kept the somewhat like the style like obviously like his shorts were
all white, but they still had like the stars on stripes on them.
Yes, I love that detail.
I loved his his robe when he was walking out to that final match was the shit.
I want that robe.
Dude, that's a bitchin' robe.
No, like it's just very muted colors like all it's just like someone went in and turned
the brightness on the on the colors like just way down.
And it looks so cool.
And like in Damien like he even looked cool like there were there were no misses with
this damn movie, dude.
No there was not.
Like so good.
I think again, it's just the contrast between the two is was so cool to watch like how Damien's
wearing just all black shorts and Adonis is fighting in all white.
Like it's just the symbolism there.
Everything like there was nothing I didn't like about this.
These outfits.
Same here.
Like and yeah, I'm trying like I'm looking through some pictures right now.
I can't see a single thing that wasn't perfect.
Like and even some of like the the clothes that he wore outside of the ring like were
really cool.
Yeah.
And like how I even think like how they changed Jonathan Majors outfits from when he was like
just sparring where he was wearing real raggedy clothes.
And then after he became champ, he was wearing like higher end stuff.
Like I thought those costume changes were fantastic.
Agreed.
It does bring up the quest like the only thing that it does bring up the question, though,
how much money do you get from being the champion?
Because he went from like frickin on parole to living in a frickin penthouse.
Yeah, dude, straight up.
So I'm I'm assuming a pretty good amount.
That's what I'm thinking.
Like that was a frickin ridiculous.
I'm just like, dude, weren't you just living in a place with like a big ass box TV?
Yeah.
He was just living in like like a shitty apartment that like is probably like on like the fifth
floor, shit like that.
Yeah.
So costumes here were frickin fantastic.
The question is, are you at an eight, a nine or ten?
I think I'm leaning more towards a nine.
Same here.
All right.
Last up, we got our own personal scores.
Who should take this one?
I'm good with either.
Don't I take it?
You're running the show.
Go ahead.
OK, well, if I'm running the show, how about you take it?
All right.
I I will say I'm not I have never been the biggest fan of boxing movies.
There's been a few standouts with me or just like fighting movies in general.
Like I said, there's been a few standouts, not very many.
Like I I think I've only seen maybe one Rocky movie.
That was Rocky Balboa.
And honestly, wasn't super impressed with it.
I did really like Warrior.
That one was with Tom Hardy.
Really like that movie.
I also really liked.
I'm thinking about it too hard now.
I'm not going to remember.
Oh, here comes the boom with Kevin James.
Oh, yeah.
I freaking love that movie.
So we're seeing it.
Oh, it's good.
Yeah.
OK, let's check it out.
Yeah.
I like those are the big like fighter movies that come off the top of my head, ones that
I actually really liked.
And I'm adding Creed to this list.
I'm adding this one and I'm adding the first one, the second one.
But I can I can see myself going back and watching one and three over and over and over
again.
Like it is so good.
And three is just a master class of how to freshen up how these movies feel.
So I I went in not expecting too much because I was either thinking it was going to be a
little bit better than two or slightly worse than two.
So like I said, didn't go in with super high hopes, but I came out really impressed.
And I freaking loved it.
So I'm sitting at a solid 90.
So I I absolutely agree with everything.
Caleb said I have never seen a rock movie, like I said earlier.
So this this Creed franchise or sorry, this Creed trilogy was my first introduction to
not only this world, but these characters.
And I've loved being along for the ride, even though I watched all three in a weekend or
almost a weekend.
Literally it's it's insane.
I didn't have to wait two to three years after each one, which I was glad about.
Enjoy this franchise as much as I did.
And especially coming out of the second one, which wasn't as good as the first one.
I was kind of like Caleb.
I was skeptical about this third one, but I had my hopes.
And Michael B. Jordan blew it out of the water with his first directorial debut.
Fantastic, fantastic third movie.
His performance, Jonathan Majors, especially.
Oh my God, he's both are a powerhouse and just they both bring bring their all along
with Tessa Thompson.
Just incredible performances by all three and just said it's such a great story.
Amazing character development.
And just yeah, I just had such a good time with this third one.
This is the one that I will be going to visit quite often, revisit quite often just because
I had such a great time with this one.
I enjoyed the absolute hell out of it.
So I'm going to be slightly above Caleb.
Maybe this might be like really above Caleb.
I'm going to go in 93.
Nice.
All right.
So with that, I'm going through our categories real quick.
Story is sitting at a 92.5.
Writing is slightly below that, like barely any, sitting at a 92.
Acting scored pretty decently sitting at a 95.
Character development is sitting at a 93.5.
Music is sitting at a 91.
Music was probably our lowest category sitting at an eight out of 10.
And our costumes was bumped up by one point sitting at a nine out of 10.
And then our personal score averaged out to a 91.5.
So with all of that added up, the final All Bros letter grade for Creed 3 has come to
a A minus.
Yes.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
This was a good one, like a damn good one.
So I'm personally very happy with the score here.
Yeah, so it is sitting at a 91.31%.
So with that, that puts it.
Should we go above or below first?
Do we usually do below first or above?
I don't know.
I think I'm pretty decent about switching it off.
Let's start with below then this time.
All right.
So it is sitting below Coco, which is at a 91.4.
It is sitting below the Batman, which is at a 91.62.
It's also below Logan, which is at a 91.81.
It's below our friend, which is at a 92.12.
And then finally, it is below the Eternals, which is at a 92.25.
I'm sure that's going to piss a lot of people off.
Probably.
Going the opposite direction now, it is sitting above Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten
Rings, which is at a 91.2.
It is above Puss in Boots, The Last Wish, which is at a 91.12.
It's above Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which is at a 91.1.
It's also above How to Train Your Dragon, The Hidden World, which is at a 91.
And then finally, it is above Everything Everywhere All at Once, which is at a 90.93.
Holy shit, it's above that?
Wow.
Yep.
I'm okay with that.
I'm okay with it too.
I think what set this above was maybe music.
I think Creed did enough with the music to go higher than Everything Everywhere.
Yeah, that's fair.
The one that's kind of standing out to me might be the Batman.
I mean, the margins there are so close, it's not crazy or anything.
Before you get a full percentage away, it's...
I guess The Eternals is technically right there, because it's right above Eternals.
It is Elvis.
And so Elvis is a full percentage higher than Creed III.
Gotcha, okay.
Yeah, and then go in the opposite direction.
So that'd be like...
Oh, it's like a ridiculous amount of movies.
So before you get a full percentage away...
So the first movie that it gets to...
So like I said, Creed III is at 91.31.
To get to a 90.3, you'd have to be at 1917.
And that is 14 movies before you're a full percentage away.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
God damn.
So it...
Wow, okay.
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
It's just like the difference is so minimal.
So I mean, I know we have these rankings and it's all like fun and games, but literally
like whatever you're upset about, it's highly unlikely that it's even a full percentage
away from each other.
Like whoever's upset that...
Let's see, like we have Avengers Infinity War higher than...
Maybe that was a poor example.
Oh my God.
Nice try.
Yeah.
So okay, maybe this.
Like whoever's upset that maybe everything everywhere all at once is higher than the
Matrix, the difference between those isn't even...
It's barely over half a percentage.
Wait, did I do that math right?
I probably didn't.
Okay, it's a little over a half a percentage.
So where everything everywhere is at a 90.9, the Matrix is at a 90.2.
So it's a 0.7 difference.
So barely over half.
Like we've said time and time again, these margins are so ridiculously close.
So it's like the percentage doesn't really even matter.
It's just more for fun because we like to see where these rank up.
But all in all, at the end of the day, this movie is an A-movie and it's in a really good
home.
Agreed.
Well, unless you got anything else you want to say about Creed 3.
Nope.
Other than that, go check it out.
Yes, seriously guys.
If you haven't seen it, get your ass up and go see it.
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Next week on the podcast, we'll be breaking down Scream 6, which I am so excited for.
I don't know when you're going to go see it, but I think me and Christine are going to
go see it Thursday just to avoid spoilers on who isn't going to make it out of this
one.
Yeah, I think I'm going to try for Monday.
Okay.
Yeah, just because I went to go see Creed yesterday.
So going to see two movies in one week is a bit of an ask.
So I think I'm shooting for Monday.
Hell yeah.
Very nice.
But yeah, so you guys can look forward to that next week.
But until then, this has been the all bros podcast.
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