What is up, bros? I'm Caleb. And I'm Jonathan.
And today we are joined by a very special guest.
A little baby named DJ. Hell yeah. So we are
joined by DJ, but we are a few bros on a mission
to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews
out there with as little bias as possible. Welcome
to the All Bros. This week... It is, I forget,
is it our, oh, damn, we missed it. Our eight
-year, the All Bros eight -year birthday was
last Friday. So this is going to get released
on the 24th. So 10 days ago from when this gets
released. We did miss it because I was. Indisposed.
Do you forget? I felt so stupid last week. I
actually like logged on and everything. I had
the cast list ready to go. And I'm like, wait,
shit. It was like six 30. I'm like, fuck no.
Caleb's still on the road. He's traveling. Thank
you. Thank you. Because I texted Caleb and I
was like, Hey, we still good for tonight. And
I was. I was actually dying. I was like, there's
no way I'm going to be able to do this, but I'm
going to do it for the bros. And two hours later,
he was like, oh man, he's like, it must've been
a miscommunication. It's next week. And I'm like,
thank you, Jesus. And I went to sleep probably
30 minutes later. Dude, I was getting the notifications
on my phone and it was just like recording to
Ironman tonight. And I was like, what the hell
are you talking? Oh, shit. I've never been so
happy for a mix -up in my whole life. I know,
dude. I completely freaking spaced. So I had
it planned out because I was thinking, oh, yeah,
we'll just do it the 11th because I'm like, I'm
just going to be gone that weekend. But, yeah,
I completely forgot that I was going to be gone
both freaking Tuesdays. So, yeah, that was definitely
my bad. damn that's crazy i did were you guys
in what year like two or three whenever you did
inner circle uh the game show because that's
when i that's when we met you guys yeah it was
like two or three yeah it was it was pre -covid
right oh yeah it was definitely pre -covid that's
crazy it's really sad that that's how you like
Think of, oh, hey, what time did we meet? Was
it pre -COVID or after COVID? That's the best
way to judge how long we've known each other.
I mean, here's the really crazy part for me is
I was in my 30s when we met. I am now 42. Wow.
Okay. So there you have it. we did it we've broken
all barriers all decades uh yeah because i was
we did that episode when i was living in utah
yes and it was that the house that had the absolute
shit internet dude you guys kept losing me oh
yeah and i'm so freaking embarrassed that's okay
whenever we so before we were with uh the inner
circle we were with uh civilized creatures and
they did you know another podcast collective
whatever it was um but they were gonna do their
like you know we're welcoming the untrained eye
into the family and here it comes and we had
basically like uh you know a bicycle that we
hooked up to the internet and just pedaled her
as hard as we could and uh yeah it didn't we
literally you saw a freeze frame of our face
and that's all you got out of us literally we
couldn't do it our internet could not handle
it and we had to we literally had to upgrade
internet so that we could be on the internet
We were barely above dial up, I think. Oh, damn.
Jeez. And look at us now. 17 years strong with
the all bros. I've become the third co -host.
I've beaten out, you know, Vic. I appreciate
you. I hope you're listening. I love you very
much. I win. uh that one that one uh shithead
that that ruined the scott pilgrim uh grade go
to hell sir i don't even know your name and i
don't care what it is you suck you suck you're
the worst uh yeah i don't think he's we've outlived
a lot of podcasts because like freaking i mean
Unless he's doing his behind -the -paywall shit
anymore. No. You know how I can tell you that
for sure and for certain? I pay that son of a
bitch $3 .95 a month for shit. I literally get
jacked. That's crazy. He's doing it out of the
kindness of your heart at this point. I don't
even get a monthly text from him or anything.
I'm just paying him $4 just to be like, here's
$4. Do with it what you will. Yeah, we outlived
him. We outlived... At this point, the freaking
Plunge, because the Plunge hasn't done shit for
a while. Every Inner Circle podcast, none of
them exist anymore, no matter what they tell
you. That's not true. Ben still does stuff. Oh,
Ben does. Okay. And the Hood Diner release every
once in a while, too. Go ahead and tell me the
last release on that one, bud. No, I'm sorry.
I was sorry because Ben, I forgot because Ben
took some time off. And he is back again, strong,
uh, out there being angry, being the angry dad
we know and love man. Yeah. So Ben, Ben holding
it down for the inner circle. Maybe one day the
untrained eye will come back. Uh, Bethany says,
hello. She loves you guys. Uh, thank you. We
love her too. Yeah. So nice hood diners. Last
episode was October 17th. Of what year? This
year. I'm sorry, what? Really? Yeah. Wait a minute.
Oh, you know what? I remember when I went on
my tirade, like everyone I knew, I'm like, fuck
Spotify. All they are is ads. I'm getting rid
of that piece of garbage. And I went on, what
is it? What am I on now? Pod something. Who cares?
I'm on a different podcast streaming service.
I guess the hood diner did not make it. I'm going
to have to change that because I completely missed
that episode. What was the one before that one?
October 17th this year. What was the one before
that? The one before that was October 10th. I
quit. No, it's the 21st of August. Well, I guess
September, October. All right. Well, homie Kaz,
if you hear this, love you. Keep releasing them.
Yeah. I mean, they were doing so. Let's see.
They had. So this is going back to 2024. They
released one episode on the 14th of October,
2024. Then they did one the 13th of February
of 25, 19th of March, 31st of March, 3rd of April,
3rd of May. You're literally beating dead horses.
All right, listen, the inner circle's dead. Ben,
as usual, is carrying us. The untrained eye may
or may not come back. It's probably not coming
back. But I just, I can't not hold out hope.
I just, I'm here. I clearly like podcasting.
So maybe one day, but probably not. But maybe,
but probably not. You know, DJ, this is what
you should do. Since the Gacy Gazette is over,
the untrained eye should come back now. That
should be your motive. Listen, well, you know,
bring back maybe you should bring back the Gacy
Gazette and we will take that as our cue to rise
from the dead. Dude, I don't know what else to
do with it. I made a big deal about the finale.
Why would I come back now? By the way, that would
definitely be hilarious. If you did, you're like,
anyways, guys, I'm back. I mean, the Gacy Gazette
could just be just that. It could be like, hey,
this is some cool stuff John Wayne Gacy would
probably love. This guy here murdered a guy and
he used his intestines as a belt. That was pretty
neat. Gacy wasn't Gaynor Dahmer. He didn't do
that shit. Hey man, we're just talking about
what a crazy guy might like. So if it flows into
other crazy stuff, I don't think he's going to
like get you for liable or something. Like I
actually hated in test and play. That was one
thing I hated the most. hi i'm john wayne gacy
and i only like to kill kids okay i'm not a monster
see this is exactly why he didn't get a season
a monster they took him and put him on a his
own peacock show which glad they did because
that show did the whole story and that kind of
series a lot better no offense to monster maybe
a little bit a little bit of monster he was just
he was a boring serial serial killer you know
he was like the he was like a boring tiger king
of serial killing uh see what see the best people
freaking to i guess like to make him more interesting
they made him the killer clown even though there's
no proof no physical proof that he killed any
of those boys as dressed as pogo like he liked
to separate that part of him from I love that
he's like, I do have lines. Pogo is how I release,
I showcase the good side of John. There's the
good side and the bad side. Listen, the killer
is John Wayne Gacy. I'm just John Gacy when I'm
Pogo the Clown. My friends call me Johnny G and
I'm a pretty cool guy. If you get to know me,
you know, if you're over the age of 18, we're
probably going to get along just great. uh that's
what you can call it there you go the the next
iteration johnny g and the boys uh trying to
have a laugh about all the stuff john wayne gacy
did as much as you possibly can before it starts
to feel no I'm sorry. I didn't say the full idea.
We're not going to talk about the murder. Johnny
G and the boys is not about the murders at all.
It's just about like the philanthropy that he
did, all the construction work, like, you know,
the good stuff. Everything he did for his community.
Yeah. Yeah. This is like people forget about
the good stuff that he did. You know, he had
a couple of bad days and people want to make
a bunch of documentaries. Can I just call it
just John? Would that be okay? Just John. But
both J's have to be lowercase. You don't want
to make it too intense. Yeah, there we go. How
crazy of a show would that be if all you did
was go and review his craftsmanship? Especially
for someone who didn't know who he was. They're
like, John Gacy. Like that sounds familiar. I
wonder if they're talking about old John. Dude,
if I, if that ever happened, I would totally
reach out to James and be like, dude, can you
at least do one episode? Dude, that's a travel
show. That is something that you do. You pitch
to TLC and be like, we're going to hit up. Like,
we have the documentation of everywhere that
he was. We'll just go to each address, and we
will go and do, like, amazing work. Amazing work.
This guy does not get the full credit that he
deserves. Just, you know, I think this is how
three nobodies get canceled. I mean, it's a good
thing. I shut Gacy Gazette down. All right. Oh,
my gosh. What's the final episode releases? Killer.
That's it. Killer contractor. Yeah. Yeah. Oh,
my God. Killer contractor. We're actually going
to what we're going to do. We're not going to
go to the places that he went. That would be
that would be morbid. What we're going to do
is we're going to like. rebuild the things that
he made and we're gonna see like how good his
blueprints were we're gonna see if they were
like you know i mean freaking i mean ryan was
able to acquire a bunch of pdm contractors um
i don't know if he got any blueprints he might
have but he got a bunch of receipts stuff like
that so shit he might have that stuff i'll reach
out maybe we can get all the people that live
there and be like hey like go through his stuff
be like It seems here that you had your bathroom
remodeled in, I don't know, the 80s? It would
be the 70s. The fact that you think people that
live in those houses would answer the phone to
anybody at this point, because you think we're
the first idiots that have been like, let's call
the John Wayne Gacy houses and see if we can
look at their miter work on the inside. No. Look
at what people do to the Breaking Bad house.
That lady is like a step away from killing people.
Dude, freaking I couldn't imagine if the Neeson
Pharmacy was still open. I can't imagine how
much publicity that place would get because I
think it was shut down in the early 80s. It closed
down and then it became a daycare center. And
then it was a couple other things, but I think
now it's just an abandoned building. shit yeah
but like imagine just going in there and being
like you know what what john did was horrible
but i mean look at how i remodeled this pharmacy
wow amazing did he have an understudy an apprentice
anything something somebody we could uh get in
touch with um i mean one young man in his life
that he didn't kill You never know. All right,
wait, I do have, I have a, well, no, this is
going to be too far of a left turn. Anyway, John
Wayne Gacy guys, not so bad or pretty terrible.
It's up to you to decide. Definitely don't listen
to any of the media coverage or physical proof
that we have about the guy. It is up to you to
decide how you really feel about, you know, Yeah,
Bob, whatever. I was trying to make a Bob Vila
joke, and I don't even know if I get it, let
alone anyone else listening to this. All righty.
Well, sorry. Back on track. Let's say we get
into this episode, shall we? Oh, which I don't
think we mentioned yet. We're going to be breaking
down Iron Man. That was like what we were going
to do as our special birthday episode. because
Rose and I have been doing our homework, and
we have finally watched and rated every single
MCU movie. The only one left is the movie that
we're breaking down tonight, which is Iron Man.
Woo, let's go. Oh, my God. I just watched Fantastic
Four, so now I can finally listen to your guys'
breakdown of that. Man. Is that good or bad?
You know what it was? If I had to give a quick
rating to that, I would give it a solid C. It
was a movie. I saw it. I was there. It happened.
There was a beginning, middle, and end. You know?
You know what? I'll admit. I think I was a little
too high on my personal score with that one.
I was just on a Fantastic Four high. I'm like,
finally, we got a good -ass Fantastic Four movie.
So I'm freaking shooting my personal score to
the stars with that. No, listen, I will just
say, as someone who's been on this show many
times and has shot a little too quick off the
hip, I can say... For sure that the way for me,
at least to do this show is how I did it this
time, which was hurriedly watch the movie right
before I thought the show was going to happen
and then have a week to like ruminate on it and
then watch like a quick summary on YouTube of
what the movie was and then go, okay. Cause like
I talked to Caleb last week. And like I had a
kind of a different opinion that I'm going to
come with now for this movie. But yeah, I was
a little more dour on the whole thing. And now
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our bio. All right, before we get into our breakdown,
this is the second time that we've played these
games. We could probably do, because we get off
track crazy easy. we could maybe do one of each
okay not me i'm usually laser focused so yeah
yeah so the first game that we will play is going
to be real to real um so for those of you that
are new and are may not be familiar with these
rules um real to real the rule is Chat GPT is
going to give us an actor and a movie that they
star in. Our job is to go around. And so it'll
go. It'll be me first, then DJ, then Rose, and
then back around to me. And we'll circle that.
So the rule is you have to take someone else
that was in whatever the starting movie is. For
example. We had Emily Blunt in Edge of Tomorrow.
That was like one of the examples. So you have
to take another actor from Edge of Tomorrow and
basically create like a chain link. Was there
even another famous person in that movie? I don't
think so. Tom Cruise. Who's that? The Scientology
guy? The religious man? Definitely not that Mission
Impossible Top Gun guy. Definitely not him. All
right, so we'll play that. So the movie that
we are going to be starting out with is... Oh,
shit. Viola Davis and Fences. I haven't seen
Fences. uh wait who is it wait okay do we how
do you find out who was in the movie like how
is this verified how is it verified uh can i
just say anything because i think uh it's kind
of based off trust like we just hope that you're
telling the truth so i i have not seen fences
so i don't know i don't have any reference for
this movie has anyone else seen fences i have
I haven't, but I do know one other actor that
is in it. OK, so do you want to start this round
then? And then back to me, then you. Sure. OK,
so I'm just naming another actor. That's another.
So someone from Fences and another movie that
they've been in. OK, Denzel Washington. I knew
it. The Magnificent Seven. Oh, the Magnific...
Oh, Jesus. Wasn't it like the Hateful Eight?
Like, I don't think... I don't... Was... I don't
think he was in Magnificent Seven. I swear that
he was. I think he was in Training Day. I'm calling
bullshit on that. Does he win the round if you
call bullshit? Oh, son of a bitch he was. He
was the main guy. The main guy. By the way, it's
hilarious because Denzel Washington is almost
always going to be the main guy in whatever movie
he's in. Rarely is he a secondary character.
I think he is one in Gladiator 2, but he's still...
you still think he's a main character for how
fricking prominent he is. Yeah. By the way, weirdly,
who is the James Earl Jones plays that the Denzel
Washington character in like the play, which
I've seen for whatever reason, tech talk will
show me like parts of that play with James Earl
Jones doing that. So anyway, sorry. Hateful eight.
Sorry. Magnificent Seven, Caleb. Okay, so Magnificent
Seven. I mean, you kind of cheated because you
just looked at everyone. I know. Let's go Chris
Pratt in Guardians. Man, I wish I knew the name
of that stupid ass movie that Gamora was in where
they're like singing about operating on someone
who's trans or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that
movie beat out freaking Wicked last year. Oh,
my God. That pissed me the hell off. Oh, God.
What is his name? Oh, frick. What is his name?
What is what? What is Yondu's name? Damn it.
Anyway, I don't remember his name. So I'm going
to say I'm going to say Bradley Cooper in that
movie called Limitless. Was that him in Limitless?
Yep. I've never seen Limitless. uh that's a tough
one because i don't even know if i could do that
and i recently watched limitless because you
know i don't think anyone else is in that movie
i think you have to be like well yeah dude i'm
calling it i lose i i can't think of anybody
else in that movie damn okay so so should we
do this where it's like an elimination and then
just between me and you Okay, I mean, I'm going
next, but go ahead. Yeah, we can do one more
round. Okay. Because I can. I just remembered
he was in this. Robert De Niro. And I'll throw...
I'm out, but go ahead. There's no movie that
you're going to say that I'm going to go. Oh
yes. They were in there with Robert De Niro.
I'll do the, the intern. The intern. Is that
the one with, with Vince? What's his face? Why
can't I say his name? I would keep wanting to
say Vince McMahon. They're like interns at Google.
That's the internship. All right. Yeah, I don't
even know what the intern is. I thought that
one would keep us going for a little bit because
that one has Anne Hathaway. Yeah, you should
have done like, I don't know, any movie where
he was with Joe Pesci. And so I could have been
like Home Alone, Joe Pesci. Wasn't he? I'm sure
he was in The Irishman, right? I had never seen
it, but yeah, he was. Should we do another round
of this one or you guys want to do the other
one? I'm good for either way. I say we do one
more because I feel like you cheated specifically,
Caleb. You're like, let me check this. Let me
check this Magnificent Seven movie. I just can't
believe you didn't believe me, Caleb. What the
hell? I know. Well, because I was trying to think.
I was just like, I don't think Denzel is in that
one. Well, if we're OK, how about this? If if
the like, OK, say you're going to call bullshit
on Rose again, then I have to look and and see
since you're the one going next. I would have
to. You know what I mean? Because that way I
can't I can just confirm rather than be like,
I know everything now. Like, OK, fair enough.
All right. Next round. So DJ, we'll start this
one out. Oops. And the movie you got is... I'm
stressing out. Feel free to veto this one. Jake
Gyllenhaal in Nightcrawler. Yeah, I'm going to
veto that. I know there were other people in
that movie, but I can't... He was too much the
star of that movie to... Alright, let's try a
different one. All right. Anne Hathaway, The
Devil Wears Prada. Fucking Glenn Close and 101
Dalmatians. I don't even know if it's Glenn.
It's not Glenn Close, is it? What is her actual
name? Is it? No, it's not. Oh. It's the other
one. So Caleb would have to check and say, well,
you know, it's not her. Wait, what is it? Oh.
Oh. Oh, yeah. No, it's not. the mama mia what's
her name man i can see her dumb head she's in
mama mia i i i can't i god i know you're gonna
say her name and i'm gonna quit this show because
i'm right right she was in mama mia right yep
yeah why Why are you doing this to me? I knew.
What did I tell you, Caleb? Back when you first
instituted the first game, I was like, I know
all of these. And if I'm ever on this show again,
I'm going to eat shit instantly. A whole plate
just for me. I want to cheat so bad I could do
it and you wouldn't even know. I don't know.
I don't know. I'm sorry. Does someone want to
steal? Can we institute a steal? I mean, Rose
can. OK, yeah, sure. So Meryl Streep. I should
have just said Glenn Close and kept moving. I
bet I could have convinced everyone it was Glenn
Close if I didn't say anything. Caleb would have
gone, hmm, I called bullshit on Rose, but I don't
want to do that twice. Okay, so Meryl Streep,
the prom. Bitch! I haven't seen that movie in
forever, you asshole. Oh, shit. Makes you feel
better. This is now the second movie I've never
heard of. The Intern and the Prom. All right,
here's softball. James Corden, Cats. Oh, wait,
am I still in it? I figured I was just eliminated.
That was more of a steal. So you could still
be in it. Idris Elba. Sonic 3. The Hedgehog 3.
James Marsden. Hairspray. Wow. Bitch. You absolute
bitch. I know two people in there, and you could
be a real dick. I almost want to text you the
dick move to you screwing me over. God damn it.
Hairspray. Hairspray. There's one. I've never
seen that. I've only seen trailers. John Travolta?
Yes. Wild Hogs. Okay. Before we go with Tim Allen
and toy story, I just want to say if you wanted
to be a total dick, I'm pretty sure Ricky Lake
was in that version of hairspray. So you could
have just been like Ricky Lake in hairspray.
Cause she was, we don't do repeats like that.
No, no, no. It's not the same one. It's the original
Hairspray. So it is actually a different movie.
Yeah, he's right. She did cameo in it. I have
no idea who was in that first one except her.
I don't know who Ricky Lake is. And there you
have it, ladies and gentlemen. Anyway, Tim Allen,
Toy Story, the end. That's all I got. Tom Hanks.
Forrest Gump. I really thought you were going
to say Turner and Hooch, and I was like, that
would have been the rudest answer. This one's
pretty rude, too. Shit, what's his... There's
only one guy. No, literally only one guy. I'm
trying to remember her name. oh god jenny kudos
to you for thinking about uh jenny because i
was thinking of another even i feel obvious more
obvious um actor no even though very in it for
just like one scene but like still wait what
because i'm Can we give hints? I'm going to give
a hint. I'm just going to say his. I thought
you meant his mom. And I was like, yeah, that.
Oh, shit. That's a good one, too. I didn't. That's
a damn good one. Oh, shit. I forgot her name.
Oh, God. Wide open spaces, Caleb. I want to say
it starts with an S. You would be right. You
would be right. And then you would frolic after
that. DJ is really dropping a good hint here.
Love it. You guys are the worst. God, because
I have the movie. I have. The movie. You never
want to meet her where Bruce Wayne's parents
got shot in a... Oh, Sally Fields. There you
go. Okay. Yeah, Sally Fields in... I'll say Steel
Magnolias. I was going to be a dick and say Smokey
and the Bandit. I would have said Burt Reynolds
and Cop and a Half. So what movie did you say?
Steel Magnolias. Yeah. Julia Roberts was in that
joint, right? All right. I'm sorry, but I'm going
to go Aaron Brockovich. Yeah, I fold. I don't
even know who the fuck that is. I mean, I could
go Mona Lisa smile if that would help. I don't
even know if that was her or the other one. Who's
the other like the cute lady? What is her name?
She was in Speed. What is her name? Miss Congeniality.
What is her name? Sandra Bullock. Oh, yeah. Sandra
Bullock. Those two could be. It's possible they're
the same person. Yeah. I've never seen. Was it
Aaron Brockovich? Yeah. Aaron Brockovich. Yeah.
The only guy that I recognize from that movie.
I couldn't tell you his name. And even if I could,
I couldn't tell you a thing he did besides that
movie. Damn, I might be out too. So, good job,
DJ. Yeah, very nice, man. Double elimination.
All right. It's an asterisk since I had to get
stolen from. All right. Next up, we could do
a round of head -to -head. This is just basically
listing off as many movies as we can that fall
within a certain category. For example, the last
one that we did that went on way too long was
movies with a completely unnecessary sequel.
All of them, for the most part. In the Marvel
vein, every single Thor. Even the original Thor,
you could say it was a sequel we didn't need.
Damn. Yeah, rude. Hey, listen. Ragnarok was good,
but really, of all the characters in Marvel,
Thor probably needed his own movie the least
of all of them. And by the way, know in your
heart, I saw the Marvels. Anyway, go ahead. Alright,
so Rose will kick this one off. So the category
is movies where the villain is actually kind
of right. Avengers Infinity War. You son of a
bitch. Wait, whose turn is it? Mine. You know
what? I'll say Spider -Man Homecoming. I wasn't
totally on Spidey's team that... Wait, Homecoming
was Mysterio? No, that was Vulture. Homecoming
was Vulture. Vulture. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was trying to kill
a kid, but, you know. Listen, did he take it
too far? Yeah. But was he wrong in the first
place? I don't think so. I mean, initially, no.
I mean, Thanos, I feel like you could make a
pretty strong case for him almost the whole way
through. uh i'm just gonna go killmonger uh i
don't remember which black panther he was in
if it was the first one or not but well what
am i talking about the first one it was you know
what's funny i really keep in my mind you know
people to i hate when people are like mandela
effect my mandela effect as i i if you told me
there was three black panther movies i'd be like
yeah there definitely were but i honestly i think
i'm i think i am uh making him more prominent
in civil war or was it civil war which one is
it was it civil war or was it uh winter soldier
that the black panther was in like semi -prominently
uh civil war okay yeah i think i'm i'm making
his character much more than it was uh in that
movie because his anyway killmonger black panther
the first and only black panther Or wait, not
Killmonger. Yeah, I know. Killmonger. Sorry.
Go ahead. I'm trying to think of any horror movies
that you can side with the killer. It's kind
of hard. I don't know about that. Friday the
13th. Dude, I was thinking that one. He was drowned
at Camp Crystal Lake. just because the camp counselors
weren't watching him. Can you blame Jason for
coming back and killing him? Yeah, he didn't
choose to come back. He wanted to cross over.
I bet if you asked the boy, Jason, if he wanted
to cross over and meet God, he'd be like, yeah.
Like, hey, did you want to become an unkillable
teenage killing monster? Like, no, I absolutely
did not. Tough tits. That's what your mom wants
you to become. This is your life now, Jason.
Shit. Yeah, I'm struggling because I'm like,
man, if you get one and Caleb gets one, I'm for
sure out. I got one locked and loaded. Shit,
man. I don't know if I have one. yeah i got nothing
i'm out really yeah i got nothing okay well i
guess my final one i was gonna say transformers
one one wait is that the animated the animated
one have you seen that one yet no i'm not oh
shit that's yeah that's a good one so that's
the one that made me side with megatron hardcore
um so so megatron and like so optimus and megatron
are like buddy buddy they go on an adventure
and they find out that that basically the high
elite people have stolen the transformer cores
from basically everyone on cybertron as children
and they think that like they're like they have
like they're the people that they look up to
the primes And the one that Megatron looks up
to turns out to be a huge freaking dickhead about
it. And so Megatron's like, all right, well,
let's freaking basically end their reign. And
Optimus is like, no, we can't do that. We just
got to free. Basically, they went about giving
people the core back. like in a different way
and i think i sided a little bit more with megatron
because his burnout was so justified yeah by
the way i do think i have one more uh thank you
tiktok for showing me scenes of movies i fell
asleep through uh the buzz lightyear movie being
chief among them and uh i would say buzz lightyear
old buzz lightyear wasn't really wrong. Like
he did become Zerg or whatever, but like his
logic wasn't really flawed. He's like, yeah.
Okay, cool. She had a family or whatever. I mean,
none of that, that's not real. Like if, if we
go back to the beginning there, like that, that
no one would be missed. Like he wasn't trying
to hurt anybody. He was just like, I'm trying
to get back and get our timelines converged again.
So buzz light year. Okay. Then I will steal another
I feel easy one. I'll say Zemo from Civil War
since we were talking about it earlier. You asshole.
That is such a good one. You know what? If the
Avengers like were involved in the death of my
family i would also plot to dismantle them i
guy you can't argue with this logic like it's
he's yeah and how about i forgot and speaking
again of tiktok reminded me of things like a
couple months ago i saw i forgot the end of that
movie that he tries to kill himself and black
panther is like no that's not really how that's
gonna happen you're gonna you're gonna pay for
this man that by the way that was some of like
the most that whole that whole last scene was
maybe probably some of the most high quality
Marvel writing that there ever was. Cause I legitimately
got, got like when he was listening to that,
uh, that voicemail again, and you realize that
they're dead, like his family is dead. And that
is, he says as much. And you're like, Oh my God.
this is terrible this all makes sense now uh
and then he tries to kill himself like a that's
way deeper and darker than i i think any marvel
movie has ever gone before or since uh and again
probably some of like the top five best writing
or at least best scenes like in a marvel movie
that was very good oh 100 yeah definitely all
right you got another one Yeah, but I'm not going
to tell you what it is. I don't have anything.
The Red Skull. He was right. Wait, no. Wasn't
he a Nazi? You're going to have to walk us through
your math on this one, buddy. I can't believe
a nobody can get canceled twice. Guys, we're
not associated with him. No, I forgot. By the
way, I'm not going to say anymore. No, I vehemently
disagree with all of the Red Skull's thinkings
and teachings. He has no redeemable qualities.
The end. Unlike. so yeah I should have just said
I'm out I never should have said anything I literally
I looked at Captain America right here and was
like who are his bad guys all right Should we
do one more round of this one? I just don't want
to say any more about Nazis, so we can try. All
right. So DJ is going to start this one out.
So your category is. That's hyper specific movies
that hinge on a big misunderstanding. The wrong
Missy. Boom! Beat that. That's a good one. That's
a great one. That's literally the end of the
movies I know like that. I got a good one locked.
Oh, no. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry, Rose. Shit. Oh,
my God. Do I not have any? Listen, I don't know
where I found the wrong Missy. I was so deep
down. I didn't know Meryl Streep's name, but
I knew she was in Mamma Mia. So don't ask about
what is in the recesses of my own brain where
I knew the wrong Missy within five seconds of
that question being asked. shit i think i'm out
of this one too sorry guys my guy all right um
all right i had bullet train what is okay wait
hold on wait a minute uh there's that movie with
bryce dallas howard uh where she's like uh And
what's his face? He's in Iron Man 2. The dancing
guy. What's his name? Justin Hammer. He had my
backup. Okay. I don't listen. I don't know the
name of it. It's something like the book lady
or something. The, the, the right, the right
list. I don't know. you can have it because i
i don't know i know the movie clearly but i don't
know i don't know the name of it even kind of
because isn't uh henry cavill in it as well better
known as wolverine his most famous role that's
it that's all i got you literally you have all
the information that i i have right now uh i
don't know the name of the movie though yeah
i know which movie you're talking about it's
argyle argyle yeah that was the movie that looked
so good and everyone unanimously said it was
a fart in movie form it was actually kind of
good it was A resounding review. It was kind
of good. We did review that one. That's true.
We did. Yeah. It seemed like you guys really
enjoyed it. I think that movie is kind of like
a fever dream because we watched that the weekend
I flew out for that convention. And so literally
I arrived, we go back to Caleb's house. We watched
that, that movie. We're up until like. think
what like past midnight and then we have to be
up at like six o 'clock in the morning just to
make sure that we get to that convention on time
oh yeah i remember that because you guys talked
about that on the show too right yeah was that
on yeah uh argyle uh caleb wins again because
he's a cheater Alright, should we go one more
so Rose has a chance to win one? I'm gonna try.
Movies that star a guy named Chris. Okay, this
one should be easy for you, Rose. Okay. Movies
with a memorable chase scene. Okay. Why am I
blanking on this shit too? I mean, come on, dude.
Serious? Yeah, man. There's like, I don't know,
7 to 11 movies that you could name right now.
Okay, wait. Who's going first? You are. Oh, I
am? Oh, okay. My bad. Child's Play 2. That is
the most hilarious. When Chucky's chasing Andy
and Kylan, the good guy. factory okay um i will
go uh sonic chasing shadow and sonic the hedgehog
3. wow i have very much misunderstood what this
was because i was thinking i'm like thinking
all car chases and i thought the same thing okay
but i'm just gonna say this i'm just gonna say
i'm just gonna say one and then you guys can
just we can just name all 11 the fast and the
furious yeah i think we i think we said uh with
some of these like it could just be an entire
franchise okay fine the fast and the fury the
fast saga All right, Rose. Oh, I actually have
a really good one. That's not a car chase scene.
We. Oh, Michael Myers chasing Laurie Strode and
Halloween H2O. Nice. Very nice. All right, let's
see. Even though I haven't seen them, I will
take the mission impossible movies. Ooh, damn.
Uh, I get, well, okay. I guess I, I'm going to
take then the new, the newer saga of, uh, the
James Bond movies, but I was specifically thinking
of like casino Royale guys. Don't those always
start with like a fricking epic chase scene of
him, like doing all kinds of crazy parkour and
stuff all over the place. Yup. Yeah. I think
it was the Dementors chasing Harry, Hermione,
and Ron in Deathly Hallows Part 1. Ooh, that's
a good one. Okay. Damn, I had one locked. I completely
spaced it. Okay. I will say the ending chase
scene from The Naked Gun. The most recent one
where... Oh, shit. We lost DJ. Uh -oh. We'll
have to wait on that one and see what happens.
Hey, there he is. Can you guys hear me? I just
need a thumbs up. Yeah, we can hear you. You
guys talk amongst yourselves while I figure this
out. Okay. So do you think that one counts? It's
a technical chase scene because he is... I mean,
he's holding on to the owl. Yeah, I would count
it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, it's DJ's turn now. You
good, DJ? hey we're back jesus christ i'm so
sorry you're good all right so the last one i
said was what i'm listening i'm sorry oh i was
just saying the last one that i did was the naked
gun like the newest naked gun uh they have like
a chase scene where he's like flying on an eagle
or a owl i had one and now it's gone um Where
I chased down my audio problems where I couldn't
hear you guys and you could hear me. The podcast
story. The story of being a podcaster. Audio
doesn't want to do what it's supposed to be doing.
The movie. Damn. Did anyone say Sonic yet? Can
I use that again? Yeah, I said Sonic. All right.
Oh, where Obi -Wan and Anakin are trying to chase
down that assassin in, is it Revenge of the Sith?
Or is it the other one? That's Clone Wars. Yes.
Attack of the clones. Yeah. Yes. So that's the
one I picked. Okay, guys. Um, when, so I think
she's in it for just like a minute, but it's
mostly Shaggy and Scooby when, um, Shaggy and
Scooby are running from the skeleton men in Scooby
-Doo two monsters unleashed. Ooh, that's awesome.
I will say Toy Story when Woody and Buzz are
chasing down the moving truck. That's a good
one. That is a good one. I'm going to say Rebel
Moon where they were chasing a good movie the
whole time and never found it. They kept getting
close. slipping through their fingers. And that
is my legitimate answer. I think DJ takes it.
That's it. That's really my answer. I got nothing.
So if you don't accept that, I lose. That's up
to Caleb. Do you accept it, Caleb? I accept it.
all right um all right uh mike sully and boo
when they're running through the doors from uh
randall and monsters inc okay um i'll say a majority
of baby driver wow okay that's that's good I
don't know if you guys have ever seen this movie.
There's a little movie called The Italian Job
that made me want to get a Mini Cooper when I
was a kid. That's a good one. That's a really
good one. I got one more. So, when Shrek, Fiona,
and Donkey are running from the dragon in Shrek.
I dig it. Okay. Oh, shit. I just had one. Say
Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner. Oh, God. God
damn it. It was something DJ said that sparked
this. The one I was thinking of. Was it when
I said the Italian job? No. Oh. Indiana Jones.
Oh. being chased by the the giant ass rock man
excellent choice so i've got two one is technically
it's it's in the same star wars averse but it's
in a different trilogy so i'm going to count
it as a separate one and it is the one and only
uh trench scene uh where he's trying to get uh
he's trying to shoot that their proton torpedo
down a mine shaft or whatever That's a good one.
So I take it back. Now I've got one. When Bilbo
is running from Smaug in The Desolation of Smaug.
I was going to say like basically the entirety
of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It's just them
being like, we got to run to this mountain. Put
your ring in there. I will throw in Star Trek
when they're running from the Romulans. Wow.
All right. Uh, this is probably my last one,
but it is widely considered to be like one of
the greatest cinema car chases. Uh, and it is
the car chase in heat, the movie heat. Ooh. Ooh.
Yeah, that's a good one. Um, I'm going to say
when, um, I'm trying to decide which one I want
to go with because both are great chase scenes.
I'm going to go with when Phoebe, Trevor, and
Podcast are chasing Muncher in Ghostbusters Afterlife
and Ecto -1 is just flying through the streets.
Oh, through the little town? Yeah. That's a good
one. Okay. being chased down by the t -rex in
jurassic park oh my god let's go faster man that
is a top five for sure oh my god i'm trying to
think of like a funny one or something like but
you guys already took the freaking horror movie
ones i'm thinking of uh let me think oh uh when
When Harry chased Sally, when Harry met Sally,
he was like, I'm going to get that Sally. And
he chased her. The whole movie. Freaking in Scary
Movie 2 when Cindy is running from the skeleton.
freaking she comes up to brenda brenda we're
gonna die i would have just met you if he would
have just shut the fuck up by the way i am i
don't care i am a big uh hater on you know properties
that come back from the dead that don't need
to but man i cannot wait to see this new scary
movie uh now that the wands are back back on
the back on the scene uh yeah it's gonna be fantastic
and anna ferris is coming back what are we doing
oh this is it's tough Okay, I'll throw in the
scene where they're chasing Barbie from Barbie.
Like in the Hasbro or the Mattel building. Yeah,
that's a good one. Okay, here you go. when the
police are chasing the wolf of wall street the
whole time in the wolf of wall street and they
just can't seem to get his ass uh and if you
don't like that one who can that will that one
count or is that is that a little a stretch too
far because i got one i do have one I'll say
because you already used that, like the stretch
with Harry meets Sally. All right. All right.
So the one I'll really say is Catch Me If You
Can, starring one also Leonardo DiCaprio. That's
a good one. That's a damn good one. I cannot
believe I pulled that out of my ass. You're all
very welcome. Leonardo chasing Nightwatcher,
Raphael, and TMNT. Oh, you bastard. I just thought
of that one, you asshole. God damn it. I think
I'm tapped. Because I had one that was lazy that
I wouldn't have counted. I was going to say Winter
Soldier when Sam Wilson's chasing Captain America
and just losing miserably, but I wouldn't. that's
a cheap i mean you could always go civil war
whenever uh black panther turned on the freaking
nitrous and was like just running at a thousand
miles per hour suddenly but yeah i'm tapped i'm
tapped i had another funny one and then i just
thought about how they actually did that scene
where they had hit like what's this chadwick
boseman like running on like a treadmill or something
like a big long treadmill oh yeah going faster
uh that was nuts by the way uh man i had so they
they they ran on like the car that was in front
it was like a long thing of like fabric That's
what it was. So they could run on the fabric
instead. And so it made it look like they were
running way freaking faster. I watched that in
an episode of Stuntman React. Yeah, so they had
the stuntman on the episode that did that stunt.
that's so awesome and he's like it was so hard
like the practice for that was ridiculous it
seems impossible like when you think of it you're
like i don't know if that's even humanly possible
like that i stuntmen will never get enough credit
for what they do because they're like we have
the because some idiot like me goes hey uh i'm
gonna dangle a rug behind a car and you gotta
run on it So anyway, I'm going to go over here
and you just let me know when you find out how
to rug run. Thanks. Bye. Yeah, I got nothing.
Of course, when I say I tapped out, I think of
another really good one. I mean, give an honorable
mention. Let's see what's Rose got left in the
tank. I don't think I got anything. Yeah, I'm
tapped. Yeah, I think I'm tapped too. Well, Rose
wins by default then. No, the one I was going
to bring up was the Human Torch Silver Surfer
chase. Oh, shit. Yeah, that's a great one. Yeah,
damn. Wait, but which one? The OG. Well, no,
it's a fight scene. I guess it's kind of a chase
scene. You could go Spider -Man 2. When he's
fighting Doc Ock. I guess he's kind of trying
to get away from him. And Doc Ock's chasing him.
It's more of a fight scene. Yeah. A chase scene.
I just needed an excuse to talk about that. Anyway.
I'm trying to think of another one. I mean in
the same vein. The Silver Surfer. Like chasing
down the Fantastic Four. in first step yeah that's
pretty bitchin but dj has thoughts on that and
listen the the movie was wildly okay like it
was just not it was just not I believe when it
before that movie came out, I said I was saying
things like this has to be the thing that, you
know, people go, all right. It wasn't just a
fluke with Deadpool and Wolverine. Marvel's back,
baby. And they resoundingly did not do that.
So which, by the way, is I feel like exampled
even further by this movie. We're about to break
down because this like. Sorry, I just want to
point out, what about Thunderbolts? Okay, so
I'm one of those assholes that hasn't seen Thunderbolts
yet. DJ, I told you I'm an asshole. No, you're
not an asshole. Dude, do yourself a favor and
watch Thunderbolts because me and Caleb would
agree that's the best Marvel movie of the year.
I watched... uh fantastic okay so i told beth
i was like this is how i want to watch these
three movies i want to watch fantastic four first
because i heard it's wildly okay and i feel like
we're not going to be disappointed in that uh
and spoiler alert it was wildly okay uh and uh
And then I want to watch Thunderbolts because
that's also what I hear is that movie is great.
It is more of the Marvel return to form. And
then the last movie that I haven't seen that
I am probably the most excited about is the newest
Superman movie, which I feel like I'm going to
enjoy the most out of all three of those. So
I want to end. Yeah. I want to end on something
sweet. I don't want to, I just knew I didn't
want to start with Superman and be like, this
was awesome. And then go watch fantastic four
and be like, all right. Well with that, let's
say we finally get into this breakdown. Shall
we? Let's do it. to this week's breakdown if
you are new to our breakdown system we have split
movies into eight different categories that we
individually score to come to a final i was gonna
say all bros and untrained eye but at this point
it's just you're just one of the all bros now
yeah dj's it's an all bros yeah yeah yeah a final
all bros uh letter grade The eight categories
that we are going to be scoring are story, writing,
acting, character development, effects, music,
costumes, and then we're going to give it our
own personal score at the very end. All these
numbers are going to get magically added up and
spit through our algorithm and give us a letter
grade to compare this movie to others of a similar
grade. And as a special added treat, I believe
I've said this already. We did. me and rose did
our homework we watched all of the mcu movies
that we have not rated on the podcast yet and
rated them uh kind of independently so because
this is like our our celebratory eight year episode
um yeah so we finally have an official mcu ranking
for every like mcu movie or after this one so
we'll enter our scores for this and then we'll
have an official mcu ranking that should be quite
fun to watch hard to look at because there are
some of the scores that i have already seen just
because i i have the way that i do the categorization
uh kind of wild yeah yeah to the surprise of
no one you're we're gonna get when we give this
final ranking i'm sure i am going to throw my
chair or something by the end because there's
gonna be i predict two movies that i'm like how
how did they make to this to this point there's
no way they should be this low or this high and
i'm betting It's going to be this high. Shit.
It's going to be the Thor movies. Surprisingly,
I don't think either or any of them are that
high. But we will see. That is spoilers for later.
So, kicking things off. If you have not seen
Iron Man. Where the hell have you been? Yeah,
seriously. It has been out for the past, what,
13 years? It's not like it started the MCU or
anything. I'm pretty sure it's older than my
youngest nephew. So there you go. Yeah, because
it came out in 2008. Yep. Same year as The Dark
Knight. Wow, really? Yep. By the way, may I just
give you one little tidbit? When this movie came
out, I was a very I was the most judgmental asshole
that you could ever imagine. I know. Shocking.
But I know I know it's a real departure from
who I am sitting here today, but I was like.
a raw or robert downey jr he is a drug addict
and a bad person and we cannot be watching robert
downey jr movies especially when there are comic
book movies of a character no one's ever heard
of and do you know what got me to watch this
movie we went and saw Beth wanted to see the
movie Sherlock Holmes starring Robert Downey
Jr. And we went and watched that movie and it
was so good. I swear to you, this is what happened.
We left the theater. I went to Walmart to the
like the five dollar bin. I bought a $5 copy
of Iron Man on DVD and I went home and watched
it and was like, oh my God, this movie's amazing.
Literally, I'm like, what was I thinking? Dude,
so I think I've shared it a couple times on this.
This was not my first introduction to Robert
Downey Jr. My first introduction to him was in
Tropic Thunder, where I was. I believed wholeheartedly
that he was a black man. And when I went, I went
into Iron Man and like I hadn't seen anything
about Iron Man other than like MCU. And I was
like, cool, I want to see this. I want to go
in blind. It was like one of the last movies
I went in blind to and I was like, OK, cool.
And so I was reading up on the character of Iron
Man and just trying to figure out who he was
and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like,
oh, man, it's kind of weird that they're race
swapping him. But I'm like, especially when he
has a friend that is essentially a black Iron
Man. with with Rhodes I never saw a black guy
do white face that's what I thought dude and
that's the craziest part is I thought that Robert
Downey Jr. at the beginning of Tropic Thunder
I thought he was I thought he was doing white
face because I'm like this guy looks funky dude
and then Tropic Thunder might have been the perfect
satire movie. I don't know that there will ever
be a better movie that does satire than that.
It set itself up perfectly. It might be... It's
up there in perfect movie category. It's so good.
It's so well written. It's an amazing movie.
It's a great freaking movie, dude. It holds up
so well. I just checked, by the way, Iron Man
and Tropic Thunder came out the same year. Dude,
2008, 2009 was an amazing time to be watching
movies. Dude, for real. Didn't we get Thor? Or
no, we didn't get Thor until 2009, right? No,
Thor was 2011. Oh, okay. So Incredible Hulk came
out in 2008, too. Yes. Yep. So we had iron man
and incredible Hulk. Wow. That was too. Jesus
Christ. 2008 was crazy. Yeah. I'm just blown
away. The dark night is also that old. Uh, yeah,
yeah, man. Heath Ledger gone too soon. RIP the
goat. Uh, yeah. So for those of you that have
not seen iron man, you're an idiot yeah rose
is about to spoil the entire movie for you in
our favorite segment that we like to call reading
with rose so without further ado rose would you
like to take it away i'd love to Tony Stark,
who has inherited the defense contractor Stark
Industries from his late father, Howard Stark,
tours in war -torn Afghanistan with his best
friend and military liaison, James Rhodey Rhodes.
to demonstrate the new Jericho missile. After
the demonstration, his convoy is ambushed by
a terrorist group, the Ten Rings, and Stark is
gravely wounded by a missile used by the attackers,
one of his company's own. He is captured and
imprisoned in a cave by the Ten Rings. Jensen,
a fellow captive and doctor, implants an electromagnet
into Stark's chest to keep the shrapnel shards
that wounded him from reaching his heart and
killing him. Ten Rings leader Raza offers Stark
freedom in exchange for building a Jericho missile
for the group, but he and Jensen believe that
Raza will not keep his word. Stark and Jensen
secretly build a small, powerful electric generator
called an arc reactor to power Stark's electromagnetic
and construct a prototype armored suit to aid
in their escape. Although they keep the suit
hidden, the Ten Rings discover their intentions
and attack the workshop. Yinsen sacrifices himself
to divert them while the suit powers up. The
armored Stark battles his way out of the cave
to find the dying Yinsen, then burns the Ten
Rings' weapons and flies away, crashing in the
desert and destroying the suit. After being rescued
by Rhodes, Stark returns home and announces that
his company will cease manufacturing weapons.
Obadiah Stane, his father's old partner and the
company's manager, advises Stark that this will
bankrupt Stark Industries and ruin his father's
legacy. In his home workshop, Stark builds a
sleeker, more powerful version of his improvised
armor suit as well as a more powerful arc reactor
for it and his chest after testing a prototype.
Oh shit. Sorry if we're going to just scroll
to the top. Personal assistant Pepper Potts places
the original reactor inside a small glass showcase.
Though Stain requests details, a suspicious Stark
decides to keep his work to himself. At a charity
event, reporter Christine Everhart informs Stark
that his company's weapons were recently delivered
to the Ten Rings and are being used to attack
Yinsen's home village. Stark dons his new armor
and flies to Afghanistan, where he fends off
the terrorists and saves the villagers. While
flying home, Stark is intercepted by the Air
Force. He reveals his secret identity to Rhodes
over the phone to end the attack. Meanwhile,
the Ten Rings gather the pieces of Stark's prototype
suit and meet with Stane, who has been trafficking
arms to the Ten Rings and has staged a coup to
replace Stark as Stark Industries CEO by hiring
the Ten Rings to kill him. He subdues Raza and
has him and the rest of the group killed. Stain
has a massive new armor suit reverse engineered
from the wreckage. Seeking to track his company's
illegal shipments, Stark sends Potts to hack
into its database. She discovers that Stain hired
the Ten Rings to kill Stark, but the group altered
their plans when they realized they had a direct
route to Stark's weapons. Potts meets with Agent
Phil Coulson of S .H .I .E .L .D., an intelligence
agency, to inform him of Stain's activities.
Stain's scientists are unable to replicate Stark's
miniaturized arc reactor, so Stain enters Stark's
home, stuns Stark, and steals the one from his
chest. Stark manages to replace it with his original
reactor. Potts and several S .H .I .E .L .D.
agents attempt to arrest Stain, but he dons his
suit and overpowers them. Stark fights Stain,
but is outmatched without his new reactor to
run his suit at full capacity. The fight carries
Stark and Stain to the top of the Stark Industries
building, where Stark instructs Potts to overload
the large arc reactor powering the building.
This unleashes a massive electrical surge that
causes Stain to fall into the reactor, and he
is killed in the explosion. The next day at a
press conference, Stark publicly admits to being
the superhero the press has dubbed Iron Man.
In a post -credits scene, S .H .I .E .L .D. director
Nick Fury visits Stark at his home, telling him
that he has become part of a bigger universe,
and he wants to discuss the Avengers initiative.
Hell yes. Yeah. Yeah. Man, did this movie. This
they did something slick when they started introducing
like post credit scenes and everyone's like,
yo, did you stay till the end? Like when I heard
for the first time, like, yo, did you stay till
the end of the credits? No. Yeah. I mean, literally
Ferris Bueller's day off was the last time I
ever heard of anything. happening at the end
of the credits. It's like, wait, the what? Yeah.
Like that was the craziest shit. I was just like,
no way. But I couldn't afford to go back and
see the movie again. So I had to wait till it
came out. Cause I was eight, nine, 10. I was
12 years old when Iron Man came out. Jesus Christ.
Oh my God. I was. One, two, three, four, five,
six, seven. I was seven years out of high school.
Different. Yeah, that movie was crazy. That ending
was crazy. The whole thing was nuts because watching
it now. that with the context that we have of
the entirety of the mcu you're like wow this
is a pretty this is a pretty good movie but really
when you think about it like when that movie
came out that movie really was made to be like
listen if this is the only one we make we just
got to put just enough in there so that people
will like it but not do not do so much that if
we this is the only one we make then uh that's
it's okay we said all the things we had roadie
look at the war machine and go next time we had
him go uh event we had nick fury say avengers
uh we did it uh if we never make another one
we tried we tried to do the thing everybody uh
Yeah, I don't know. It was it was crazy to think
of that movie as like a not an indie, but like
a almost like a pilot for the MCU to be like,
you guys want some more of this? Maybe. Dude,
for real. Like, I remember how like how I felt.
Going into like like going into this movie and
knowing like the Incredible Hulk was coming next,
like because I was like, all right, sick, not
realizing that these two movies were going to
be connected in any way, shape or form. And then
once they were and I'm like, oh, shit, what's
next? And it was what was it? Was it Captain
America next? And then. No, it was Thor first
and then Captain Warcraft. And then when they
announced that they were doing the Avengers,
I was like, it does not get any bigger than this.
And after the Avengers came out, we were so freaking
hyped. It didn't seem possible. Avengers didn't
seem possible, by the way. It didn't. It felt
like a fever dream. And then when it came out,
it's just like, oh my god, that was fantastic.
What now? And then... like i think that's like
what face one i think was the the only time that
marvel did just absolute perfection to like build
up to what they released like it was it was good
because each movie felt different from the last
like thor does not have the same vibe as like
the first Avenger, the first Avenger felt so
different from incredible Hulk and incredible
Hulk felt very different from Iron Man. Well,
and what's crazy is like, it's, it's, it doesn't
see now. I feel like knowing what we all know
it, I, I would be hard pressed to believe that
that was by design and not. by total lucky accident
that because like these movies are like famous
for having a half a piece of script and they're
like we just we just kind of jazz it up on the
day and figure it out and we write as we go and
it's like it shouldn't this shouldn't have worked
as long as it did and I was telling Caleb offline,
I think we're finally seeing the MCU kind of
like get crushed under its own weight of like
all of their bullshit has finally, they're like,
we did not reinforce these with steel beams.
Like everyone kind of said we should, and it
worked out fine. And it's starting to not work
out fine. It's starting to crumble a little bit
and we're just trying to mitigate. uh what is
happening and yeah i don't know i almost wish
this movie I wish they had never told us how
these movies got made and then just decided like,
all right, listen, we got super lucky. We got
to actually write. We got to actually write these
things. We cannot just do jazz on every movie
and hope for the best. But it just kept working.
It kept working over and over and over and over
and over and over, literally into Infinity War.
So it's like you can't argue with it. until you
know we get to the multiverse and then you can
really start arguing yeah i mean they had to
like not to freaking like act like everything
they did was perfection because a lot of stuff
was far from it but we were able to forgive it
enough just because of what it was that they
were creating yes yeah and then it's just like
all right well this movie sucked but i mean bleeding
into like the age of ultron like yeah this is
this is gonna be sick so that's what i'll say
like none of the movies even the ones that i
rag on the most uh your marvels is your thors
is uh like none of them actually suck like they're
not like bad movies they just suck they they
i don't know how to i don't know how to describe
this properly like they're not They're not necessarily
bad. They're just kind of like the movies that
are in quote bad are the ones that are like exposing
what is happening, you know, in the MCU as far
as what's going on with their writing and like
how they are, you know, trying to like the one
thing I'll never forgive the MCU for letting
happen is the multiverse of madness. Like, you
know. letting Sam Raimi just be like, I don't
really give a fuck about any Wanda vision. I
just am going to kind of do whatever I want to
do. And it's going to be scary. I'm the scary
guy. And it's like, okay, man, but like, no,
this, this is crazy. Like, yeah. How can this
be? So I don't know. Like we're talking. I don't
know if I've done this, but I feel like we're
too far off of Iron Man. I apologize. Iron Man
was great. No. I mean, it's hard to not compare
this movie to everything else. But we have to
do our best. This is supposed to be an unbiased
review. We are the unbiased brothers. uh which
mean the unbro -est brothers dude this is totally
unrelated to anything that we were talking about
but please dj was while we were talking earlier
this week um he had made a joke about what would
happen if i died fighting a bear and he said
that he would or that you and him would continue
the show but you'd have to rename it to the dom
bros that's a completely different podcast dude
dude like i'm gonna be honest like getting all
freaking like sentimental here dude i don't think
i could do the podcast with that i shut it down
right away i'm sorry You paid attention to the
wrong part of this. I know. Okay. You kind of
focused on me dying, dude. I'm like, yeah, man,
dude, I'm shutting. Dude, I'll make like one
final announcement. And yeah, then the all bros
are just done. so we're a no on the dom bros
then uh i mean if we start like a brand new podcast
sure dj but the the all bros just the all bros
are With a name like The Dom Bros, you have to
start a new show. It's going to be more of a
review podcast, but instead of movies, it's going
to be whips, different kind of handcuffs. Dude,
with a name like The Dom Bros, we have to cover
something with Jeffrey Dahmer, right? I mean,
listen, the possibilities are endless. That is
also not the route that he was going down, Rosie.
I think you completely missed the mark. I know.
It's perfect. It's fine. You know me, man. A
lot of shit goes over my head. Oh, my hell. Anyway,
getting back into Iron Man. Talking about the
story. um this is honestly one of the more re
-watchable origin stories within the mcu no you're
no you're good go go for it dj no i'm i talk
too much go ahead no you don't don't say that
no it's all right i'm putting my microphone away
from my face now goodbye everybody You guys are
completely missing what the hell a podcast is.
We're supposed to talk, but not over each other.
And that's my biggest flaw is I just I can't
stop my mouth from moving. I got to let other
people talk. Everybody, they all call me and
tell me you talk too much. Let everybody else
talk. So I'm going to be quiet starting now.
Dude, I can mute you if you're getting too out
of hand. Damn. i'm just saying i have a lot more
power here if it becomes a problem anywho um
yeah no watching this like because it'd been
years since i'd seen this movie and just watching
it for the first time it felt like i was watching
it for the first time again and i love that so
much because damn was it so cool seeing you go
from mark one to mark two to mark three like
God, I freaking forgot how much I love in this
movie how Tony's suits improve. Freaking Mark
2 might be my favorite for just the fact that
I love the scene so much of when he first flies
around the city. That scene alone is so freaking
cool. And I just freaking love Mark 2's freaking
chrome look. It looks so badass. Um, but yeah,
just have fricking just, just seeing where Tony
Stark starts and how he ends in this movie and
just, just where, how the story is built around
that and how, you know, how we get, you know,
pepper thrown in there, Rhodey, um, Obadiah.
I, for the fact that, um, I didn't know jack
shit about Iron Man when this movie first came
out. I don't think anyone did. Yeah, no, dude,
for real. And so the fact that this movie was
a lot of people's first introduction to the character
of Tony Stark just shows how great of a movie.
Not only a superhero movie, but I feel just how
good of a movie this movie is. Just, yeah, the
story is just so freaking there. Damn. Love it.
Yeah, that is one thing that... that's one thing
that marvel i feel like they they would always
kind of like weave in and out of where they would
have a movie that was like this is like that
you would say like this is just a good movie
like this was that this was like that uh the
winter soldier was definitely that like civil
war was that like they had movies that you're
like this is just a good movie like i could just
watch this movie and it's it's kind of an amazing
thing to see uh I. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know what I don't know what. It's why I wish
there was like I know they had Kevin Feige. Kevin
Feige was he was the man the whole time, right?
Like there was never a time that he wasn't in
charge. I do almost wish they had kept like the
same stable of writers or something or. just
kept john favreau and robert downey jr around
i don't know something whatever it is like just
on all the movies just to be like yeah let me
let me put my my stink on it a little bit to
kind of like keep it i don't know i don't know
i i don't know how to i don't know what it is
about this movie that makes it so such a good
origin story but it's i mean it's it's the best
origin story i would say out of any any comic
book movie like there are ones that i enjoy like
i i mean listen you could do a million spider
-man origin stories and i'll watch every one
of them and i'll like every one of them uh you
can do i as much as people hate it i will watch
every batman origin story i love it it's great
this one though was just like it's like you said
rose it was so you could, I'm going to watch
it again this coming weekend with Beth. Cause
I just watched it myself. Like we're all going
to watch it again. And I'm excited to watch it
again. Cause it is, it is super rewatchable like
that. We're not every MCU movie is like that,
which is crazy. It just, I don't know. starting
so strong it's it's funny to watch this now you're
like oh you guys had a lot to live up to it's
crazy how some of these movies went yeah seriously
dude iron man is like i thought i think they
chose a perfect hero to start off the mcu with
like before this like what when you talked about
marvel i knew A lot like the characters that
they had prior, like the legacy characters that
I think that's what we call them now. So like,
yeah, I knew about Daredevil. I knew about Punisher.
I knew the Hulk, Spider -Man, obviously. And
then I think the only one that like. Outside
of the like anyone, any MCU movie prior to Iron
Man, I knew about. in some way shape or form
um the only one that i i knew about from like
a little bit was like captain america like i
i kind of knew his story i i may not have known
his story but i did know his i knew who he was
like i knew who captain america was you'd recognize
him if you saw him you'd be like oh there's captain
america but when you like like the staple for
me with marvel prior to iron man it was spider
-man i knew like captain america and hulk like
those were like the big three of marvel for me
and then obviously this movie completely shifted
that and brought us iron man and i was like oh
my gosh this is so cool and then it brings in
thor and i'm like what the heck like you talk
about the norse god thor and because i i no frame
of reference for the character of thor in the
mcu or in marvel either and so it's just all
of that kind of coming together was was fantastic
and specifically about this movie what i liked
about it is it gave us an origin story that not
very many people were familiar with like we all
know batman's we all know spider -man's we all
know superman's it's like but you gave us a character
that none of us knew the origin to other than
like crazy comic book nerds but Yeah, which,
by the way, I was not like the I am like the
one that comic book nerds hate because I was
like, I read like X -Men comics when I was like
a little, little kid. And then I kind of fell
away from all comics in all of their forms. And
I did not start. I did not buy one more comic
until. I think right before or right after they
announced civil war was coming out. I bought
that to read it. And I was like, by the way,
again, another thing about Marvel, like when
they write something like civil war, like if
you've read that run of comics, there couldn't
be something more different than what is in the
comic. And they were, they had the concept, but
not the. Well, what's funny about that, like
they weren't like Kevin Feige, like threw around
the idea of Civil War, but it wasn't until Batman
v Superman was announced that he's like, OK,
all right. Yeah, no, let's do Civil War. We're
doing it stupid just to like shove it to D .C.
Well, and that's the thing is like you think
of how they made movies and wrote them. again
a movie that absolutely shouldn't have worked
on paper like it just was too much if you just
if you wrote it out you'd be like so this was
where it all went wrong right uh they made this
movie and everything fell apart uh and no like
it was it made sense it would it made sense for
i don't know how to say this properly but for
what the civil war the actual comic was uh what
they did for the mcu was like as close as a one
for one as you're gonna get you know because
you don't have fantastic four you don't have
x -men but it was like a perfect you know for
lack of a better term like a perfect multiverse
version of civil war where if those characters
that are in the actual run didn't exist this
is a great stand -in for for what you would expect
out of that so again crazy how how how did they
do this damn this this story like it's killer
like it is one of the top tier marvel stories
told yeah definitely and the fact that they got
this straight out of the gate like i it's crazy
how good of a filmmaker john favreau is like
i don't think he gets enough credit for the movies
that he's made listen if you can make an interesting
movie about a food truck you can make an interesting
movie about anything for real like that is honestly
one of my favorite movies of his um i freaking
love like chef is like i'll watch that at least
once a year um i do the same thing with elf Like
that's an amazing movie. And then yeah, African
iron man, another amazing movie. I feel like
he also has one of the only live action Disney
remakes that people actually enjoy. And some
would say is better than the original with the
jungle book. That you're going to say he was
doing the new Moana. which you know trailer came
out today as of recording yikes i love how they
don't even show maui because they all know that
we're gonna be like oh god yeah we're gonna roast
the ever -living bejesus out of maui what do
you mean a new day for uh disney is upon us or
whatever he said yeah i told yeah totally Yeah.
As a, as a storyteller, it's just incredible.
It does not get enough credit. No, I mean, I,
you know, it's funny. I was thinking about this.
I'm glad I finally remembered. Cause I was trying
to, this is why I say you need, or at least I
need time to, to ruminate on these movies before
I actually talk about them. Uh, matrix. Um, but,
uh, uh, matrix four gave it the wrong. uh score
anyway um oh yeah so i weirdly enough uh i uh
I would compare this, this whole movie as an
origin story for iron man to like your first
kind of introduction to the guardians of the
galaxy. Like when you first meet star Lord and
all that, and you're like, who the hell is this
guy? Like you want to know who the, that's, I
think the difference is you want to know who
these people are. Like they're interesting instantly.
And you're like, I gotta know more about this
person. And I don't know that any other. mcu
origin and maybe captain america but i don't
even think captain america's his was well okay
i was gonna say it's not as good as the guardians
but i i feel wrong as i'm even thinking it uh
i just like the guardians more is what it is
like i kept that i it's not that i dislike captain
america i just like the guardians so much more
But yeah, out of how many origins that we've
seen in the MCU, that's three that have really
been interesting or worth revisiting. I would
disagree with you there. I liked... There's more.
I think. Rather than but of the of the I guess
the main Avengers, my favorite origin is probably
first Avenger. Yeah, I got a soft spot in that
in my heart for that one. But yeah, looking at
this movie story wise, I think this is. definitely
in the higher i i don't know if i'm quite in
the 90s yet i'm sitting there like in 89 like
it's right freaking there i think that my problem
is i think they they stuck around in the desert
just a hair too long like that i think that's
my only issue with it i i mean this movie it
i honestly didn't remember it was this long like
when i saw it was two hours i was like really
and i actually had the opposite feel like i felt
like this movie had a super good clip to it like
it was just it but it didn't it it moved but
it didn't seem like it was uh like like marvel
movies now like okay now this scene now this
scene now this scene we got to get to this hurry
up and get to this like it moved it moved naturally
in a way that i was like i was into i don't know
it was uh i did i actually would put it high
in in the 90s uh as far as story goes because
i i did think it was i don't know yeah i think
everything moved to a good clip i'm sorry No,
I mean, that's completely fair. Where are you
at, Rose? So, yeah, I'm with I think I'm with
DJ. I think I am. I think I have hit at least
a 90 with it because I think it just does literally
everything right. The flow is amazing. I feel
it's one of the best flowing MCU movies. And
the fact that it was like the first one is just
insane. Like it's never did I feel like the story
lagged. So I think I'd be a solid 90 for story.
Fair. All right, moving on over to writing. This
is a very smartly written movie. And it's hard
to tell how much of it was improv on Robert Downey's
part. Because he was famous for that. Just kind
of coming up with shit on the spot. But it worked.
Everything he did worked. And it's crazy how
well it worked. He was really good at being funny.
He was charming. he was everything you, you want.
Like he, he built like his, like kind of, he
was the embodiment of who Tony Stark was. Like
even Stan Lee said, like, I couldn't have written
Iron Man better if I tried. Yeah. And it's just
like, that's just, it's just him. Like Tony Stark
is who like Robert Downey is. Was kind of born
to play. Yeah, exactly. Straight up. He's just
that smart, quick -witted humor, just fast -talking,
smart guy. It's crazy. He is so good in this
role. And I think the script reflects that, or
what little of the script I assume they had.
like it's hard it's hard to judge it based off
of like just tony stark alone um but obadiah
stain terrifying dude once he kind of went back
like turned bad like it was he was scary yeah
like when he's yelling at that one guy like the
tony stark was able to build this in a cave like
it like you could feel the silence in that room
yeah and yeah i mean just the crazy shit like
and his little like stun gun shit like that scared
the ever -living shit out of me dude dude i was
gonna say that like at the writing in this movie
i'm just gonna take it at face value and say
that you know whatever even though we know kind
of different this writing was Everything was
planned because there were so many checkoff guns.
You know what I mean? Like that, the, the little
stunner thing, like whenever Obadiah goes to
be like, Hey, we're, we're going to take this
money from you from the guys out in the desert.
I can't remember the bad guy's name. He stuns
them. And you're like, Oh God, that's crazy that
he has that. And then later when he shows up
and is like, yeah, Tony, sorry, you're going
to have to take a nap for a little while, while
I steal your heart out of your chest. There was
what else? god i had so many when i was thinking
of this earlier i'm like there's this and this
and this uh but you saying that reminded me uh
technically it wasn't a a checkoffs war machine
but again i just loved i that my favorite one
of my favorite scenes is roadie looking over
uh and just being like next time and it's like
at the time i had no idea who roadie was i had
no idea what he meant i just thought it was a
guy that was like wanted to get in an iron man
suit and fly around and i was like yeah dude
totally uh but then finding out that he was supposed
you know he is war machine and he will be getting
into a suit and doing the thing you're like oh
that's awesome foreshadowing that like that's
going to happen eventually if these movies keep
going just too bad it wasn't the next time for
that specific actor Well, and OK, so even when
when he tells Pepper, he's like, you know, take
this, throw it away. And, you know, she makes
the proof that Tony Stark has a heart. Like you're
like, oh, it's a cool thing to do. And then,
oops, it definitely comes into play at the last
minute, because if that if she hadn't have done
that, then he wouldn't have been able to do.
So like there was it's why it's like. It is kind
of hard to believe that this movie was kind of
like written by the seat of its own pants. Cause
you're like, they seem to have like some semblance
of, of what was going on. Like it wasn't just
again, like Marvel movies are now where they're
just like, Oh shit, this movie, it needs to have
something happen right now. Uh, okay. What if.
Okay. Listen, the movie's almost over guys. We
got to just cram everything into the end. All
right. Listen, the guy's coming. It's going to
be bad. I don't know. Wait for the end credits.
It's probably going to be fine. I think like,
if anything, like how they had this structured
was maybe they had a general idea of where everything
was going to go. Maybe it was just more in like
the details, like, all right, this is where we
need to get to. We're not exactly sure what's
going to be said here, but this is where we need
to get to for each scene. Yeah. And I, by the
way, I think I'm thinking of Ant -Man, Quantumania
or whatever, specifically how that movie just
kind of like the last 30 minutes were just kind
of like, guys. We got to end this thing, man.
I don't know what we're going to do, but we got
to just make this movie over in 30 minutes. So
let's just do all the shit. And then, ah, dude,
we left him in the quantum realm. What now? How
do we, oh, we'll just take him out and just leave
Kang there. It's fine. Don't worry about it.
uh i mean this writing dude like for iron man
was solid yes this is one i will i'm in the 90s
like i will be at a 90 with the writing here
like it whether it was ad -libbed or written
like it was it was good this is a very quotable
movie yes and from like from all parts too yeah
um like some of my favorite scenes like i i really
like the scene between tony and and pepper when
she's swapping out the arc reactor and reach
it in and she's just like oh it's it's not pus
it's some amniotic or fluid or whatever he says
yeah How about the coolest moment in maybe all
of comic book movies when you expect him to do
the thing that happens in comic book movies where
it's the end. He's got to be like, oh, it was
a training exercise. It was crazy. And he says,
I am Iron Man. You're like, hold on. They can
do that? They can just reveal their identity?
What? Yeah, dude, that was honestly because like
I just remember like I wouldn't watch it very
often, but the Iron Man animated show. It always
bothered me because they always had it like,
oh, yeah, Iron Man is just Tony Stark's bodyguard.
Yeah, like what a stupid cover up. Well, I mean,
they did reference that in the movie. They're
like, I know. So, yeah, that was crazy, too.
Like what he really reveals it. And because every
superhero, every single one that we've had up
to that point. excluding blade it's always like
oh keep your identity secret keep your identity
secret like no one knows i'm spider -man no one
knows i'm daredevil no one knows i'm batman and
then it's just like f it like i'm iron man like
that iconic absolutely iconic that was by the
way another thing just speaking on i guess writing
and story like the thing about this movie that
made like the future disappointing was like how
iron heart was good and not great you know what
i mean like watching this movie and being like
they got done in two hours what iron heart really
struggled to get to get across in like what six
or eight episodes or whatever it was Don't get
me wrong. I like Ironheart. I'm one of the few
people that enjoyed that show from beginning
to end. I have no real context for Mephisto,
but I was super psyched to see him show up at
the end. Spoilers. When you watch this and you
watch that, you're like... It seemed like a real
uphill battle for them to get you to care about
this character. It's almost like the show didn't
have faith in itself when you look at what Iron
Man was. I know she's not supposed to be Iron
Man, but she can have that same kind of bravado.
It's okay. If guys don't like it or whoever decides,
she can't be exactly. who cares? Like, just do
it anyway. People like assholes like me said,
Robert Downey jr. Couldn't do it at the time.
And what was, so I don't know. It's yeah. So
where are you guys sitting with your writing
grade? Me personally, I'm at, I'm sorry to say
I'm in the eighties. I'm at an 88. The biggest
writing problem I have. I got this with my rewatch.
I felt that the whole becoming romantic relationship
between Tony and Pepper, I thought that kind
of went a little too fast for me. Just how they
start where Tony doesn't really pay that much
attention to Pepper. And then all of a sudden
at the... what like that banquet or something
that he goes to like all of a sudden he starts
to like see her in a different light and just
I don't know just it went a little too too fast
for me I'm like I think that they should have
maybe set the I think that maybe they should
have set the groundwork in it and for them in
this movie and then they don't become like a
real thing until Iron Man 2 Well, I mean, technically,
I because that honestly, it's funny you say that,
because that was one of the things that I kind
of liked about this movie, because it was like
a almost like a mini cliffhanger. Because at
the end, when he is like reminding her of like,
hey, remember when we had our our little moment?
And she's like, oh, you mean when you left? And
you did like, she basically was kind of gave
him the, like, get out of here. Like she was
playing coy with him. She wasn't like rejecting
him, but I liked, I actually did. I noticed,
I don't know if they did it on purpose or not,
but I liked the fact that he did not get the
girl at the end that he clearly was like, I wanted
this to happen. And she was like, eh, I'm not
that I'm not quite, I'm not quite. garbage yet
so by the way one of the again top 10 greatest
lines in that movie like i do this and this and
that and i take out the trash like get the hell
out of here which he says it to that reporter
at the beginning uh dude hardcore that was oh
my god ice cold but yeah i it's funny because
i actually i like that he he didn't just win
all the way around uh she was like no we're we
can we can relax on that for a second dude you
want to know one of the biggest misses that i
feel that i wish that they would have continued
on with this like from this movie is the iron
man voice like when he goes to afghanistan and
starts blowing up those tanks and like basically
like goes and grabs the guy that imprisoned him
pulls him out into the crowd of people that like
you know he's gonna freaking bushwhack or get
bushwhacked by and he like when he's flying off
and he just says you're all yours like that voice
that he has like an altar sick i wish they would
keep i wish they would have kept that around
like i love altered deep voices like that in
fairness it does track with tony though that
he's like uh i am iron man you're gonna hear
my voice i am uh very vain at heart and uh i
need everyone to know it's me baby not justin
hammer tony stark oh man so where were you at
dj for the writing uh i gave writing a 95 i very
much i yeah again taking everything at face value
of like just assuming that they they just wrote
this movie and then made it uh i don't know there
were there were just wasn't there wasn't much
to be like i i'm probably wrong but i felt like
everything got paid off that needed to get paid
off in this movie like there was nothing really
left hanging other than what was supposed to
be you know vis -a -vis the avengers uh the avengers
initiative and you know what what what was going
to happen next in the wild adventures of tony
stark and his iron man uh so but that's you know
clearly supposed to get paid off in the next
movie so yeah 95 great loved it all right moving
on over to acting we got robert danny jr who
played the man himself tony stark or a .k .a.
Iron Man. Then we got Gwyneth Paltrow who plays
Pepper Potts. We got Terrence Howard who plays
James Rhodes. I'll bring it up later. Jeff Bridges
plays Obadiah Stane. Clark Gregg plays Agent
Phil Coulson. The man, the myth, the legend.
Then we got Leslie Bibb, who plays Christine
Everhart. Sean Toob, who plays Jensen. And that's
it. In terms of main cast. I wanted to bring
it up. I know. Terrence Howard, dude. I really
liked him as Rhodes. Listen, have I grown to
love Don Cheadle more? Yes. Do I feel like Terrence
Howard would have made a kick -ass war machine?
Also, yes. Well, you know what's funny? Yes and
no. Because Marvel, at least in this first couple
phases, man, I mean, they could do no wrong in
casting. They were amazing at casting everything
they did. I will say, I am... I am glad that
Terrence Howard, I just, I don't know if Terrence
Howard, cause he is a great actor, but like seeing
what Don Cheadle has done. Like, I just, I don't
know, man. Like I, I really can't see it any
other way. Like I, again, I'm a big Terrence
Howard fan, even with his crazy math and all
of his, you know, all of his craziness. I love
it. You're so, but literally this guy is he.
Can I tell you something? Do you know who should
have played Kang the whole time? Terrence Howard.
Motherfucking Howard. Because that actually would
have worked. Like, cause by the way, everything
could have worked out fine. All of a sudden you're
like, what, what is this guy doing back? Why
is Rhodes back? And he's like, oops, I was a
variant the whole time. I was a Kang variant
and I got sucked into the timeline by whoever.
Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. He was, he's, what does that
got? He's Jonathan majors without the controversy,
but all the crazy. So. Yeah, I think he where
I mean, it's interesting to think this. I think
Don Cheadle. Why his eye or why his war machine
has and and James Rhodes has succeeded so well
as he was able to, like, distinguish himself
as his own character. Mm hmm. Terrence Howard,
I think more reflected. Robert Downey Jr. in
terms of like the energy and. Like how they spoke
to each other, like they were both very quick
witted with each other. And I think that their
their chemistry was really strong and it was
almost like a like I said, a reflection, like
they were basically like the same character.
And that where Don Cheadle is able to like distinguish
himself a little bit more. As like his own person.
Well, it's it's what's funny about whether it's
Terrence Howard or Don Cheadle. Like if you're
going for the buddy dynamic like that. It's still
it's why I could never really get into whenever
Anthony Mackie became the Captain America and
then the new Falcon showed up. Like, I just I
never fully bought in to their thing like I did
immediately with. robert downey jr and terrence
howard like or even the way he was able to do
it with don cheadle when you're like this is
a different guy uh and it still somehow worked
like i don't know if that's like you know anthony
i don't think anthony mackie is like a worse
actor than robert downey jr like i i like him
a lot as well i just for whatever reason it just
didn't you know what i think it is because i've
had the same thought This is what I think it
is. The dynamic between like just comparing Anthony
Mackie's dynamic with other characters, like
his connection to Steve. It was a very. Like
they were equals, more or less like like the
one didn't feel like a sidekick. really like
we i mean we knew that falcon kind of was the
sidekick but they he didn't it didn't feel like
that whereas the way that it was that he was
acting with the new falcon it was more of a trainer
trainee situation and then it was like in flight
that they were supposed to kind of be like sidekick
and if it just i think it was it was odd like
there's a different dynamic between Sam Wilson's
Captain America and Falcon versus Steve Rogers,
Captain America and Sam Wilson's Falcon. Well,
yeah. And especially like in this movie, like
Terrence Howard, while not super powered, he
clearly was, you know. Equal is the wrong word,
but I'm going to say equal to Tony in the sense
that he's like he could give Tony. He had something
to offer Tony in the way of like, I'm I'm here.
I can I can call off the missiles that are coming
at you. You know what I mean? Like he he had.
Yeah, Tony wasn't helping him. They were helping
each other. So, yeah, I just said what you said,
but different. Yeah, it was just. Yeah. I don't
know. I don't know. It's hard to distinguish
exactly what the difference is between Terrence
Howard and Don Cheadle. But the biggest, I say,
difference, and I know it's Don Cheadle's roads
would have played it different. But when he was
talking about the suit. and like when he was
flying through afghanistan and like basically
like attacking those planes yeah and everything
and when when rhodes called him and he's just
like yo do you have any tech out here blah blah
blah and when he called he's just like who's
this yeah and like giving him shit about it and
he's just like And then like he immediately follows
it up, like when he calls him, like when he's
like, oh, got to go and then does his thing and
then ends up getting like frickin smoked and
then hides underneath the plane. And then he
calls Rhodes back and he's just like, yeah, here's
the thing. And he's like, who is this? And he's
just like, oh, it's like it's me. Like, it is
me. And then he starts panicking and then just
like, it's me. I'm in that suit. it's almost
I will say this because I'm trying to like figure
out what the difference is too it's almost like
this version of Rhodes and Tony were like very
close friends and the version of Rhodes we get
with Don Cheadle it's almost like they grew up
together or like because like don cheetle is
just like he seems like a warmer guy anyway like
he just seems like someone that you like if you
met don cheetle like in real life he would be
like hey how's it going like he would make you
feel like you guys were friends already even
though you're very much not uh and i don't know
i don't again, I didn't dislike Terrence Howard.
I mean, I would love to live in the multiverse
where he did get to go, go the whole distance
and see how that all worked out. Uh, but I mean,
listen, I'd put my name today as Tony stank,
uh, as a tribute to Stanley and Don Cheadle's
roads, uh, roadie. Cause he's like, yes, this
is very much Tony stank. So, yeah, I don't know.
Terrence Howard, great. Don Cheadle, I mean,
got to pick Don Cheadle all day. Yeah. Obviously,
I think we can all agree Robert Downey's number
one. 100%. Listen, it's honestly a tie for me
between him and what's -his -face Obadiah. Yeah,
Jeff Bridges Daniels. He was so good in this.
It's a shame that he had to die. It was such
a real dude. Cause like the guy, whoever it was
that was out in the desert, like that was a good
bad guy, but he just looked like a good bad guy.
Like there was nothing, there was no dynamic
aspect to that guy. He was just a bad guy. But
man, Jeff Daniels here. I'm kidding. you know
he goes from dumb and dumber right into this
and i'm like wow no he just i don't know he's
just it's yeah it's like you said like you could
feel the heat like radiating off of him when
he's he built this in a cave with a box of scraps
uh like okay how about when he goes in and uh
pepper is downloading those last bit of files
and he's talking He's like, he's like, I know
what you're doing. And you're like, oh, shit,
it's happening. And just that whole thing. And
he and you. I I've seen the movie a million times
at this point. I watched again and still was
like, oh, yeah, he didn't know what was going
on because he turns on the computer and he's
like, son of a bitch. It's like I thought he
did know what was going on. I really did. And
by the way. checkoffs another checkoffs gun oops
there's colson there hey i'm showing up for your
uh for your schedule or your scheduled whatever
he's like perfect awesome let's go right now
interview so yeah i don't know it's it's hard
because like you know robert downey jr amazing
but i'm like i don't know if jeff bridges doesn't
barely edge him out for me Dude, it is really
close because he is my number two as well. His
performance as Obadiah is staying crazy. I remember
how crazy it was when Pepper went in to download
all the stuff when we basically found out. They
knew everything. Or did everything. It's insane.
Absolutely insane. I will say, okay, I'm sorry.
You just reminded me. I have to say this about
the writing. I thought this while I was watching
the movie. Whenever he went to his iron monger
and was like, finally, I have my precious. I'll
put it in here and it'll power the whole thing.
And I'm like, how did he know what kind of plug?
to put on the end of that thing. Dude, same thought.
Same freaking thought. I'm like, that must be
like a universal plug -in or something. That's
crazy. Okay, I'm sorry. You know what? Actually,
thinking about it, he did have the blueprints.
So he had the, he had the Mark one blueprints.
So, and then obviously like, he's not going to
like, uh, Tony is not going to do a crazy, like
big surgery to change the, the plugin system,
his arc reactor. Like he, that's just going to,
he's going to just take what he gets with that
situation. By the way, again, that was another
payoff when he's like, how'd you solve the icing
problem? That's when you're like, oh, shit, it's
about to happen. And oops, turns out, what icing
problem? Oops, I'm smarter than you. But then
he had the other. The way that he's just flying
there for a second, he's just like, yeah, you're
goddamn right. And then he starts sparking out
and you're like, oh yeah, he has the arc reactor
that's not meant for this. Freaking crazy. Who's
your guys' number three? I forgot. Is Rose yours?
No, so my number two, actually, I'd give it to
Gwyneth Paltrow. Really? Yeah, I loved her performance.
This is still my favorite movie with her in the
whole MCU. I'm with you. Yeah, I love her introduction.
I love her interaction with Tony. Literally everybody,
especially, you know, they're only in a couple
scenes together, but her and Coulson's scenes
together are great. Love them. Yeah, she'd be
my number two. Number three would be Jeff Bridges.
Okay. So who would your number three be, DJ?
I think I'm going to go just the opposite. So
in order, I'm going, sorry, Jeff Bridges, number
one, RDJ, number two. And even though it's funny,
I am going to say Gwyneth Paltrow, number three,
with an honorable mention of, what is it, Jensen?
Is that his name? Yep. That dude, that guy will
never get enough credit because I mean, he was,
I mean, he was like the, what's the word I'm
looking for. He's the, he was like the, I don't
know. He, he was great. He was the, he was the
muse. I'll say that he was the, the muse for
Tony to be able to do this because like if. Tony
had just been saved and they just left him in
a cell by himself. The odds of that happening
are much less than, you know, with him having
this guy to talk to and get back to his family.
And then again, one of the best written parts
in this whole movie was when he's like, I'm going
to see my family. And then you realize that his
family's dead. And then he says it and you're
like, Oh, it's like, this is what I, this is
what I want. I'm like, Oh my God. It makes me
want to cry. It's amazingly awful. By the way,
Gwyneth Paltrow, she's the worst human being.
I can't stand her as a person. She's great in
this movie. I'm actually giving him Jensen, my
number three spot. His performance, as small
as it was, was so impactful. It's crazy how good
he was in this. And it breaks your heart. Even
after knowing his fate, that scene still freaking
kicks you like a mule. Because you don't... I
think it hits me more knowing what happens when
he does talk about, oh, I will see my family
again. But I'm like, when they're like just BS
and when he's like, hey, what are you going to
do when you get out of here? And no, that's the
thing that freaking kills me, dude. And yeah,
that I mean, that moment between him and Tony
was just so. so thoughtful and like what i liked
about it is you immediately knew who he was as
a person when he's like get when they have like
the the hot iron like in front of him or the
coal or whatever it was yeah yeah yo what are
you making what are you making and he's he's
like he's doubling and tripling down being like
we're building the jericho missile like Like,
like, oh man, like this movie does so good at
building like tension, which was stuff like that.
Like with, with, with Jensen getting threatened
with the, the, the hot coal or whatever. Then,
then Pepper calling Tony or it was like Pepper
Rhodes calling Tony to warn him about. Obadiah
but he's like right behind him yeah like oh shit
by the way between what I said what you said
you convinced me to switch Gwyneth Paltrow is
now my old honorable mention and this dude is
number three because damn it son yeah um acting
I think I'm gonna be uh Jeez. 89 feels low. I
think I'm going to be at a 90. I think this cracked
90s for me. I think their performances here were
fantastic. Just all around. Where are you guys
at? I'm just slightly above you. I'm at a 91.
All the performances here are really, really
good. i don't i feel i i do feel everybody brought
their a game like honestly so 91 for me i actually
also just put in 91 so there you go nice all
right moving on over to character development
this is an interesting one and i've i've sat
here and i caught like i sat after the movie
and i'm like this is going to be the hardest
category for me to score because it does show
like tony stark getting to his lowest point but
he it's it's tough because it's like he never
his spirit never really breaks and then he's
always kind of consistently Like who he is. So
I don't think that there's a whole lot of growth
with this one. In terms of like his character.
Unless you guys disagree. I would say. Yes. Only
because like, I mean, if you look, if you're
just going to go by like. how cocky he is all
the time then he never has any character development
at all he is pretty much except for a few moments
uh maybe like after he was on a spaceship for
a couple of months and almost died uh like he's
just kind of he except for a few fleeting moments
where he was like deadly serious about like what
they needed to do he was basically i guess you
could quote unquote say the same guy the whole
time I would say he went from being the cocky
guy. Again, this is like, I think I'm just, you
know, trying to split hairs here, but like he
went from the cocky guy who was convinced he
could do no wrong. And that, you know, he was,
he, okay. I won't even say cocky, the smartest
guy on earth that he knew what direction that
he was supposed to go in. And no one was going
to. uh, get him off of that path. And really,
if he had never gone there and, and demonstrated
that Jericho missile, he never would have done
anything different ever. Uh, but between getting
exploded by his own bomb and then, uh, you know,
making that decision and seeing those pictures
that, that a reporter brought to him of, you
know, even after he said that, you know, there,
there are still these terrorists getting, uh,
the, the Stark tech. to to fight with like he
his mission changed i'll say like it it obviously
it started to to that took more of a form like
the longer you go with the story because you
know you get to avengers and and all of that
craziness happens and he kind of you know becomes
more solid ira you know i don't know how to say
what i'm trying to say but he i do think he changes
but it's like the it's if you were if you were
someone in the movie you might not notice that
it ever happened but someone actually watching
the movie you're like okay he is different he's
got the same because i think what you also like
when you're thinking of character development
or when i'm thinking of character development
you almost think of like an attitude or like
a not necessarily a personality change but like
something that's like a little more obvious where
they're like i was this guy but now i'm this
guy i'm a little more contemplative and i really
think about stuff now and he is like very confident
in who he is but i think what his character development
was more of like uh his perspective shift shifted
Like he had more of a perspective development
than I guess character development. I don't,
I don't know if that's really the right way of
saying it either, but yeah, it's the best I can
do. I could give you that for sure. Or like see
that, see that perspective. Like, I think like
you just saying that, like the where it wasn't
really a character change, but it was more a
mission deal like that's. That's interesting.
Hmm. This is I mean, I'm I'm not ridiculously
low on on character development. I'm probably
in like. maybe like an 83 range like it's definitely
above average which my my average is like 75
it's definitely above there like for sure it's
just not quite into the like overly exceptional
range which i'd say is anything 85 and higher
uh i can get behind that Because I also I didn't
know how to really score this, but I'm like,
it's it wasn't nothing, but it wasn't like I
just don't think it's it's the. What you would
normally if you if you were going to point it
like something and be like, this is a great example
of character development. This is not the movie
that you would pick. Not that there was because
there was none, but because it seems more subtle,
I guess. Where are you at with it, Rose? I think
I might be a little higher than you, Caleb. I
think I'll be at 84. I do feel that it does do
a good job at setting up who Tony Stark is and
the character of Iron Man. From what I've heard
from you guys, I definitely see where you're
coming from. But I do feel for what it sets up
with, how it wants to tell his story and his
character arc. I feel for the most part, it does
pull it off decently well. I'm with you. All
right, moving on over to effects. These hold
up surprisingly well, better than other MCU projects.
Yeah, like. I mean, again, not to beat up too
much on Ant -Man Quantumania, but damn it, son.
MODOK was a nightmare. Like I could forgive Multiverse
of Madness, that crazy eyeball on the forehead
thing at the end. You know, people were very
upset about that. That was just like a second.
But MODOK was a lot of that movie where you're
just looking at some wild nonsense or this movie.
You're like, I don't know. Do you either of you
know? Like, was there was this like practical
mixed with CG or something? Because it looked
a lot of this looked so good. And I know a lot
of it, by the way, the sound effects. did a lot
of work because like it just sounded like that
suit had weight you know what i mean like when
it would whenever it was closing up or whenever
it was like getting you know screwed on to them
or whatever like it sounded good you know what
i mean so i think that also did a lot of work
for uh making you know the suit look amazing
but i don't know how much of it was practical
and how much of it was cg so there was a decent
chunk of it that was practical um a lot of the
the suit it was like a lot like it was pretty
much like the upper half of him was pretty like
was all practical and then they very seldom showed
the lower half um because they'd have to do that
practically too this was still in a in a phase
of cgi like really early cgi where they they
couldn't do it like they had to do it the same
kind of style that like they did with like jurassic
park where it was very like there was a lot of
math included because you had then you couldn't
like visually see a lot of what what they were
doing until later in production like there's
a there's a there's a great video like one of
the the the visual effects artists react i'll
have to send it to you of them discussing iron
man the only the only thing in this whole movie
that i was like get the hell out of here was
when we saw tony stark die uh whenever he put
those boots on and was like we're gonna start
at 10 and then he shot into that concrete wall
tony stark died that day yeah Because he's a
human. And no human can hit a concrete wall as
hard as that guy did and be alive. That was literally
the only thing that I'm like, no, absolutely
not. You should have had him fly out a window,
but not hit a wall. Oh my gosh, dude, for real.
This is one that I am definitely in the higher
80s with. I'm probably sitting probably in an
88. I don't think I quite cracked into the 90s.
And I think that's because of, funny enough,
Obadiah Stane and his Ironmonger. like when it
showed his face like it looked it looked odd
like very obviously like where his suit would
move a certain way but his body would move a
different way that was kind of unnatural and
it it pulled me out of it just just for a moment
like it's not the biggest gripe in the world
but well at least we know that they didn't uh
update any of this technology when they made
it to uh Was it Age of Ultron? No. What was the
one where Hulk guy, he ended up in an Iron, the
Iron Hulk suit? Oh my gosh, dude, for real. I
mean, it was about the same. It was about, if
anything, Obadiah Stane's might have been a little
better. It was better. Truly, it was better.
Where are you at with it, Rose? You know, I think
I'm going to match you actually. I feel the only
time that like, yeah, I'll agree with the Obadiah
one, but yeah, it's definitely. better than uh
what we got before i think the only time in this
movie that like the effects are just like okay
i could tell that that was cgi is when pepper
walks in and um like he's like taking off the
suit like all the mechanical arms are helping
him take it off that's really the only time that
i could tell like okay yeah this the way that
downy's like head is positioned the way it's
movie i'm like okay i can definitely tell that
that is cgi But like, other than that, like every
time that he's like suited up flying, um, like
all those other times, like the effects are super,
super good. Yeah. Um, I will say one of my, my
favorite effects in this, um, Oh God. I was just
thinking about it. Was it when he gets that little
cricket gun and he blows up that tank? It just
sounds like a little firecracker going off. amazing
yeah well that was one of my favorite shot is
when he gets hit by the tank and then this creator
and then he like is crawling out and you see
like the smoke or the the ash or whatever like
across his face that scene is still freaking
bitching but um but no i was talking about oh
the uh with the stun thing when it's like when
they activate it and it's just all the veins
in their body start like kind of like yeah popping
out of their head like oh crazy it looks super
good all right by the way on over to wait first
of all i didn't do my my score yet uh but i wanted
to say too uh as far as effect like straight
up practical effects went one practical effect
that i enjoyed very much was at the front uh
or at the front at the beginning when he was
leaving the cave and just I mean, I don't think
we've talked enough about how many people just
got straight up killed in this movie. A lot of
them burned to death. Vis -a -vis Iron Man going,
yeah, I don't have guns yet, so let me just set
you all on fire, which was insane to watch. I
was like, oh, my God. I'm giving it a 90. I'm
giving it a 90 because I grew up. with shitty
movies like bad cg bad practical all of it and
like talking about uh what is it jurassic park
like this is a movie like jurassic park was what
that was like the 90s or something though right
am i right about that or was that early 2000s
no jurassic park came out in the 90s that i mean
that jurassic park came out that movie was like,
you know, the masterclass of, of mixing practical
and CG. And literally nobody did it even have
that good forever. It seemed like, and I know
there were movies that did it, you know, started
doing it well before Iron Man, but like, I don't
know, like this, the fact that these held up
as well as they did is why this movie, I think
that's part or a big part of the reason why this
movie did so well. Cause. Robert Downey Jr.,
Jeff Bridges, all these guys. I'm kidding. Sorry,
Jeff Daniels. I messed up my own joke. I was
going to say, oh, no, you got that one right.
All the best actors in the world could not have
saved this movie if the CG was ass. they'd be
like, wow, these guys were really cool in it,
but this looked like nothing. This looks like
just, yeah, what used to be on Netflix whenever
Netflix first came out. Just nothing movies.
So yeah, I don't know. I give it a 90. I think
that's, I don't know. I appreciated where this
movie was for the time. I'm with you. all right
moving on over to music this movie had a pretty
bitching soundtrack he did i will say though
during like the there was like some very like
90s moments where like whenever he was going
up against the the fighter jets and they just
put in like the the royalty free music. That's
like, this is, this is a jet jet fighting music.
It's like, what is this? Yeah. Anything would
have been, I think throwing in any other music
would have messed with the tone. Because like
a lot of the, that scene, it was focused on the
conversation between. Tony and Rhodes. You could
have thrown some Hells Bells in there and it
would have been okay. Here's a controversial
thing. I don't know if it quite cracked a 10
for me. I don't think that's controversial. Yeah,
I don't think it did either. I would call it
a strong 8, maybe a 9. I'm at a strong 8. I'm
at a 9. like i i was i'm sit like i'm more like
if i if we'd had the the points i'd be like 9
.4 but i'm rounding to the nearest i mean if
you're going by like old school uh soundtrack
standards which was like when i was like a kid
kid and you would just a soundtrack was like
it wasn't a i'm not talking about a score i'm
talking about a soundtrack where you're like
oh this movie has all the like before you guys
okay i might make a reference that you may or
may not know but we all know now that's what
i call music right the scene like that's what
soundtracks were back in the day it's like there's
no way you could get all these songs on the same
uh cd uh but sometimes there were like these
movies that like yeah we got all these cool ass
songs on here that you can get uh like this was
that like before i don't know if captain america
or thor did it but like there was no uh what
is it like recognizable sting i feel like until
the avengers you know what i mean like you just
i would agree like you had cool cool music in
the movies and again i'm sure i i think even
you know captain america did try and make their
own little uh you know captain america sting
but nothing nothing stuck until avengers yeah
i mean they do but it's also like With Avengers,
it's like, yeah, if you say hum the Avengers,
I can do that. If you tell me to hum Captain
America's, I couldn't. But if you played it for
me, I would be like, oh yeah, that's Captain
America. So it's like that level of recognition,
which is not, it's the same deal with Iron Man.
I think they tried doing a score and it's just
like, eh, you're not quite there. Yeah, that
movie that would have been a completely different
movie if it was scored instead of the soundtrack,
because it's just it's not just not that type
of movie. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So and what
did you say you were at an eight? Yeah, I'm going
eight. OK. All right. Moving on over to costumes.
It's hard for me to not give this a 10. I'm giving
it a 10. You can't. It's if just I mean, even
if the Ironmonger wasn't one of the coolest looking,
you know, bad guy versions of Iron Man, like
it doesn't get cooler than Iron Man. Like it's
it was it was so crazy that this thing that nobody
knew or cared about. ended up being so cool that
people were like we yes we need more of this
more of this please yeah like the mark one armor
amazing and then the mark two i freaking love
the mark two like like what you were saying rose
the freaking chromed out iron man suit sick and
it made me excited for war machine and honestly
did not disappoint the war machine armor freaking
dope as hell especially when he started like
getting like where it's like the super big torso
and like looks oh god damn freaking love that
shit where he looks like a goddamn tank loved
it absolutely loved it um and then yeah and then
classic the mark 3 was was sick like i freaking
loved it like there was nothing about this that
didn't just get my my nerd my nerd self just
like flipping out by the way the the thing that
makes this a 10 for me uh because i'm thinking
about like i'm looking at my own shirt now like
i'm just looking at this that suit did something
that i feel like is impossible like i i i i'm
sure again that there are other other instances
where this has happened but like there's no silhouette
to this. Like you couldn't see Iron Man for the
most part out of context as a silhouette and
be like, Oh look, there's Iron Man. Like I would
say nine and a half times out of 10, like that
is what, that is part of what makes a suit. like
so amazing you know what i mean is like you can
recognize it anywhere in any of its forms uh
and somehow impossibly again on the pilot episode
they got a guy basically they're like it's the
silhouette of a guy and everyone was like we
love that guy let's do more no do you care not
even a little bit So, yeah, I don't know. This
is great. This is an easy 10, I feel like. Iron
Man is an interesting character because that's
the thing that's kept me from giving 10s is the
silhouette not being recognizable. Iron Man's
an interesting case because I don't feel like
you don't get a complete silhouette of Iron Man
without the arc reactor. That's true. So the
arc reactor is kind of a dead giveaway. Like,
if you were to, like, with your shirt, like,
if you were to black out Iron Man completely,
if you covered the arc reactor, it's just like,
okay, yeah, that's just some dude. But the arc,
because it glows, it throws off the silhouette
just enough where you're just like, I know who
that is. Yeah. But I mean, other other characters
like I mean, Captain America, like he's got that
silhouette with the frickin shield and everything
like they have something like a distinguishing
feature. Iron Man's the one that that. It kind
of cheats the silhouette. Yeah, that's fair.
All right. Last up, we got personal scores. Rose,
you want to take this one first? Yeah, sure.
Yeah, this was such a solid first movie, not
only for the Iron Man franchise, but just the
MCU. And it's just a great superhero movie altogether.
From the casting, the story, action, effects,
this is one of the best origin superhero movies
I've ever seen. And it's crazy to say that. hell
over was this how old is this movie it's like
13 years old shit yeah it's crazy to think that
um it might be older than that 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 56 17 what did you say i said 30 17.
Jeez. Holy shit. That is crazy. Am I doing the
math right? 2008 to 2018 is 10, right? So in
2008, I was 12 years old. I'm now 29 years old.
So. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's 29 minus 12,
17. Yeah. Okay. I'm so bad at math that I'm really
glad that worked out because I was just going
to let it fly. And then I was waiting to get
the phone call of like, you idiot. Dude, I'm
so bad at mental math too. I was just like, the
way I was doing that, I was like, okay, nine
minus two, seven. Two minus one is one. One and
seven makes 17. We did it. That's nuts, dude.
17 years since Iron Man. Holy shit. Yeah. But
personal score, I'm at a 91. All right. Where
are you at, DJ? So this movie, I feel like did
the impossible. I mean, I've said it, I feel
like a million times during this episode and
it again, 17 years old and I watched it a week
ago and it is, I would be, if I had no context
for the MCU at all, and this was my first thing
I ever took in of it again, now in 2025, I would
be a super stoked to see what was coming next.
Cause I mean, even now it's just, I don't know.
It's, it was everything you would want in an
origin story. And again, a pilot movie for, for
an entire universe of movies. And I don't know.
I mean, I don't know if I'll be alive when anything
like this happens again for any other, any other
franchise. I am giving it a 99. Hell yeah. The
end. Caleb was attacked by a bear and he did
not win. Dom Rose, here we come. One chapter
closes, another one begins. What is it? God closes
a door and opens a window. All right. Did you
submit it? Oops. I'm so sorry. I didn't, I thought
you were going to say your thing, Caleb, or did
you already? And I missed it. Huh? Oh yeah, I,
I will. Sorry. No, you're good. I submitted it.
Okay. Um, I am given this movie. I'm a little
bit low. I'm lower than both of you guys. I'm
sitting at like an 86 with it. It is. I know
it is one of the better, like more rewatchable
MCU films. I like it has a lot like there's a
lot of nostalgia behind it for me. But I do find
my I did find myself kind of like. dozing off
or not dozing off just like not paying attention
at times just during like the slower bits that
i was like okay like so i think there's a little
bit of like of stuff with the rewatchability
but it's i mean it's not bad it's definitely
one of the top tier mcu movies for me it's just
not one that i like immediately jump to when
i'm like feeling nostalgic For the MCU. Fair
enough. Yeah. So anyway, I'm giving it a 90 or
86. I heard 96. All right. All righty. So with
that, that concludes this week's breakdown. Going
through these categories real quick. Starting
off with story. We kicked it off pretty well.
Sitting at a 90 .67. Writing got a little bit
of a bump, sitting at a 91. The acting is on
the same level as the story, sitting at a 90
.67. Character development is our lowest category,
sitting at an 83 .33. The effects are sitting,
got a pretty chunky bump, sitting at an 88 .67.
Music is sitting at an 8 out of 10. The costumes
are sitting at a 10 out of 10. And then our personal
score averaged out to a 92. So with that, the
final all -bros letter grade for Iron Man has
come out to an A -. I like it. Yes, sir. Hell
yeah. I wasn't sure it was going to crack the
A - because of character development. I'm glad
it did, though. I'm very glad that it did. All
right. Let's see where this is sitting. Ooh.
It barely cracked the A -. So our cutoff for
an A - is 90%. Yeah, so it is sitting. At a 90
.16%. Yeah. Is there anything lower than that?
That is still an a minus. Yes. Funny enough.
That's hilarious. It is. So it's yeah. The one
movie below it. Is fantastic for the first steps.
Get the no. Absolutely. All right. Well. It was
fun having become an actual member and I quit.
That can't be right. There's no way. I mean,
listen, I, what did I say? Fantastic four was
like a solid C. I'd even call it a B minus. Cause
again, it wasn't terrible, but it just was like,
it just was like, get on with it. A minus though.
Get not. No. I wholeheartedly disagree. I rewatched
it, dude. I still freaking love that movie. Same
here. Are we talking about Fantastic Four? The
Fantastic Four movie that just came out? I heralded
his beginning. That movie. I still hold that
movie in pretty high regard, even though it has
a lot of problems. Oh, it's got problems. It
was, listen, that movie was like, it did a lot
of things that Marvel likes to do, which is have
scenes where things happen, where they go, ah,
the thing. But it did something that Marvel movies
usually don't do. which is in the last 30 minutes,
instead of going, oh, shit, I forgot. We got
to end this movie. They're like, oh, were you
ready for this movie to be over? Guess what?
The movie's just beginning. This is the only
30 minutes anyone's going to ever care about.
Check this shit out, everybody. And it was the
coolest. That last 30 minutes was the coolest
movie I ever saw. I was like, where was this?
The whole movie. Where was this? the whole movie
uh so yeah fantastic four first steps that's
what we graded right yes definitely all right
so do you guys want to hear well i mean we were
already kind of on that road so you want to hear
what it's uh so going through it is also sitting
above thunderbolts It is above Rocketman. And
so Thunderbolts Rocketman that we are in B plus
the B plus range now. Then it is above Dawn of
the Planet of the Apes and above Ghostbusters
Frozen Empire. And above Elf. Yeah. Now going
what it's below. It is sitting below the matrix.
Wait, the first, not the first matrix, right?
The first matrix. All right. As long as it's
not, listen, I, okay, wait, everyone stop. I
need to issue an apology for matrix resurrections
or whatever matrix four was. I was a little too
high on my own supply. Okay. I was just really
stoked for a fourth matrix movie to come out.
And I was very excited and I literally watched
the movie and finished it five minutes before
we were starting this podcast. And I may have
given it an incorrect score. Don't you guys give
special dispensation? You get to like change
one score. Can I change that eventually? Sure.
If you want to. I think I need to watch it one
more time and I will, I'm sorry. The first matrix
I'm with it. The first matrix in iron man being
right next to each other. I think that actually,
I, I like that very much. Cause I, I would hold
those movies both in kind of the same regard,
but sorry, go ahead. All right. It's also sitting
below Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. I got to
watch that. You do. It's a weird movie. but it's
it's not bad it's good um it is below seoul all
right it's below us and it is below 1917. i have
not seen us 1917 or pinocchio so there you have
it folks the worst the worst all bro All right.
Like we said and alluded to, we have an official
MCU ranking for these movies now. And I think
some of these are going to piss people off. So
do we want to do top to bottom or do we want
to do bottom to top? I want to do bottom to top,
personally. Bottom to top. All right. So starting
off at the very bottom, we have Ant -Man and
the Wasp. Really? Yeah, which is sitting at a
C. I would have traded another Ant -Man movie
for that one. Honestly, same. All right. Then
we got Thor the Dark World. Yeah, that's fair.
Which is at a C+. Oh, man, this one hurts a little
bit. The Incredible Hulk. The Ed Norton one?
Yeah. Damn. Then it's Captain America, Brave
New World. All right. I hate. Those two need
to be switched. Go ahead. Then our only B minus
movie, Thor, Love and Thunder. That should definitely
have been. Hey. I know this one hurt my heart
a little bit. All right. Now we're in the B range.
We have the Marvels. I was going to say that
can't be right. Cause you haven't said the Marvels
yet. No, the Marvels made it to be. That's impossible.
Who did that? You guys didn't do it. Who actually
did this? That one's all us. Yeah, we actually
enjoyed that movie. Sorry, DJ. Then Ant -Man
and the Wasp, Quantumania. Yeah, what the hell
is wrong with us with that one? Then the first
Thor. Okay. Then Thor Ragnarok. Yeah. Then Age
of Ultron. Then Doctor Strange. Then Iron Man
3. Captain America Civil War. I just need everyone
listening at home. You heard it right. Doctor
Strange is below. Doctor Strange and the Multiverse
of Madness. Go ahead. Yeah, not proud of that.
Then we got Captain America, the first Avenger.
Wait a minute, hold on. Civil War got lower than
the first Avenger? Wait, how many are left in
this list? We're only... let's see how many we've
only done 14 of 32 at this point of 38 damn this
list is insane you need to re -put this at the
front without me talking like hey i just wanted
you guys to know This is our list. You all need
to hear it and send us emails. All right. So
those are all B movies. So from Marvel's to first
Avenger. Now we're getting into B plus. Which
gives us Spider -Man Homecoming, then Captain
Marvel, then Iron Man 2. This one hurts. Captain
America, the Winter Soldier. What? do you know
what actually okay you do rose no dude that was
you i saw how low you were with character development
what the fuck dude okay captain america doesn't
freaking develop any dude i beg to differ with
that speech that he gives at the end if i could
just have a side always gives rousing speeches
It was character development at its finest. So
suck. Screw yourself. Okay. Within a podcast
I have to have right now, ladies and gentlemen,
if you've heard me on this show before, you know
that I have given these guys so much shit about
these listings and how they put it and how it's
some of it's insane. Do you know at home how
sweet it tastes to see these two finally realize
what I've seen? From day one. This is full insanity.
Anyway, podcast over. Go ahead. All right. Then
it is. So then it's Captain America Winter Soldier.
Then Spider -Man Far From Home. The updated one.
So that's including yours and Victor's score.
Then Black Panther. Spider -Man Far From Home.
Oh, that's the original Far From Home. Wait,
Far From Home is above Homecoming? No, so the
updated... This is what was freaking hilarious.
When Victor and DJ scored Spider -Man Far From
Home, it got lower. Once we added the scores
together, it got lower than where it was. Victor
was trying to bring it up. Oh, he ended up bringing
it lower with the updated score. So the updated
score is eighty nine point two. The original
score was eighty nine point three five. Hilarious.
So that so Spider -Man. So, yeah, far from home.
The updated is is below the original. OK. OK,
and then Black Widow. The Avengers. Thunderbolts.
And that's all of our B+. This is going to drive
me crazy. Yeah. Black. Oh, my God. Go ahead.
I'm sorry. All right. Then getting into the A-,
we have Fantastic Four, The First Steps. Then
Iron Man. Then Doctor Strange in the Multiverse
of Madness. Bullshit, no. Can I just really quickly,
Caleb, I'm sorry, but can I correct you on something?
What? So it's the Fantastic Four First Steps.
Whatever, shut up. I'm just saying. Sorry. It
always bugs me when you say it the other way.
Yeah, the Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness.
So this is... Then it's just yours and Victor's
score for Spider -Man Far From Home. And then
Shang -Chi, The Legend of the Ten Rings, Guardians
of the Galaxy Vol. 2, The Eternals, Black Panther,
Wakanda Forever, Avengers Infinity War, the first
Guardians of the Galaxy. I'm sorry. Wait, wait,
wait. So Wakanda forever is higher than the original
black Panther is what you guys have come up with.
Wakanda forever. Yes. It is above. What are we
doing? Why? Why? I don't even know why I came
here tonight. All right, man. We can look up
like how this happened. Um, and then. Yeah, then
Avengers Infinity War, Guardians of the Galaxy.
That's all the A -. Now getting into the top
four movies, which are all A -movies, are Avengers
Endgame, Deadpool and Wolverine, Guardians of
the Galaxy Vol. 3, and then our top movie is
Spider -Man No Way Home. You know what you need
to do? You want to talk about... TikTok engagement.
Go ahead and make one of their slideshows and
have it start with my ranking of Marvel movies
and put this in that order on there and see the
absolute shitstorm. Alright, let me go to...
Let's go to this page real quick. And when or
if you do, please tag me in that because I would
like to get all the notifications as well. Like,
oh, look, there's another thousand that showed
up. All right. So let's see what Black Panther.
Oh, wait, no. Listen, no disrespect to Wakanda
Forever, but damn, son, Black Panther was better
than that movie. That's just not even a question.
Honestly, we were pretty comparable. The difference
between Black Panther and Wakanda Forever on
most categories was less than two. The thing
that Wakanda Forever beat out was the story and
the writing. Those are the big ones. That was
the one that had Riri and Namor and all that
stuff in it, too. Is that right? Yeah. We looked
on it in pretty high regard because of how they
dealt. with the death of chadwick boseman and
how they were able to like write all that in
and make it feel like cohesive i will say having
uh the end i that is what i will say the end
of that movie was good when they were like hey
this is his secret son t 'challa it's like oh
it can happen guys he's coming back yeah um and
then our acting we gave wakanda forever higher
and i i bet you that's because of angela bassett
i i would have said i mean because she did good
in that one scene but i mean she wasn't in much
but the dude that played namor or namor uh he
i do remember him being really good in that movie
yeah uh character development we gave to the
first black panther the effects we thought um
Wakanda forever was better. That's not fair.
That killmonger thing should be stricken from
the record. This is an unbiased review. I still
stand by the OG black, but listen, everything
you're saying is correct. It's still somehow
wrong though. All right. And then. Let's see,
music and costumes were exactly the same. And
then our personal score, we were higher on Wakanda
Forever by a couple points. Like, not a huge
difference on any of these. God, dude. This is
the wildest list I've ever heard. This is so
crazy. Like, the top 10 make pretty much a lot
of sense. But, man, those first, even just the
first 20. jesus christ man amazing please i'm
telling you i don't know how many slides you
can put in a slideshow but man i mean i can do
it so you could always split it up by phases
true you know or like by uh what is it by uh
grades like these are the ones we gave c these
ones we gave b yeah there you go why are you
being difficult because i'm trying to find i
figure out how to sort these freaking the filter's
not working i'm trying to figure out like why
there's some that are like higher than others
let's see let's try that one god damn it okay
were there any that you were wanting to compare
i mean you'd have to say them all over again.
And I'm not good. We've been here for so long.
I would never make you do that. But they definitely,
there are a couple in there that just, I mean,
get out of here. Yeah. I think before we, before
we log off, I think Rose and I need to readdress
Ant -Man and the Wasp. Yes. I would definitely
agree with that. And switching it with Quantumania
or which one? Let's see. Yeah, because Ant -Man
and the Wasp we have as like the bottom. I remember
that movie being... Yeah, I like that. I remember
liking that movie. I did too. Same here. So yeah,
I think that's the only one that we need to readdress.
now i will say in your guys's defense which i
never do with these things but i will do it now
is you know it's your your last place what was
the actual grade of it it's still c right like
yeah so it's ant -man and the wasp and it's sitting
at 75 .33 so not like you know it's not like
you're like f bad terrible like you're we're
starting the the the the bid at sea so you know
yeah like even once you get into like i mean
the difference between like at this current score
let me pull out the calculator so i don't look
like a complete idiot so let's say like even
going up quite, quite a bit. So talking about
Dr. Strange, which is the, like, that's an 84
.75. Yeah. That was the one Dr. Strange and multiverse
of madness. Those two. There's a 9 % difference
between those movies. Damn. By the way, underrated,
like, obviously I don't think it was at the level
of the other ones we talked about, but pretty
good origin story. uh for that one as well it's
it's funny it's just because like like we said
this is why we try to focus as much as like the
ranking is more just for funsies the score like
the grade itself is what's really important because
like if you were to ask me like what i like if
like if i were to put a grade on like black panther
and i said beam plus i'm i doubt i'd catch much
flack for that but the fact that i'm saying black
panther is better than captain america the winter
soldier by by less than like what is it one percent
it's like that's suddenly like you're crazy yeah
Because you're crazy. Listen, man, if you gave
me the Doctor Strange movie and Doctor Strange
Multiverse of Madness and was like, hey, you
got to watch one right now, I'm watching Doctor
Strange all day long. If you give me Black Panther
and Black Panther Wakanda Forever and say you
got to watch one right now, I'm watching Black
Panther. By the way, and then right after that,
I'm watching Winter Soldier. Cause damn it's
on. What a great movie. Uh, and by the way, I
do want to say justice for age of Ultron. Eventually.
I feel like that is going to be like the return
of the Jedi of, uh, you know, Marvel movies where
like way beyond when it was viable, it will get
it's it's due. Like, I feel like return of the
Jedi because it has, you know, Age of Ultron
also did not get scored poorly. If we're looking
at it objectively, is it the worst of all four
Avengers movies? I think we can agree that it
is. I would word it differently. Despite how
much character it gives to Hawkeye, I can't argue
that. It is the least strong Avengers movie.
And that's exactly how it is. So if we're talking
just Avengers movies, the way that it's ranked
is Avengers Endgame, like top, then Avengers
Infinity War, then the Avengers, and then Age
of Ultron. So this is what I'm going to say in
defense of Age of Ultron being better than...
I don't know if this brings it out of the bottom
spot of Avengers movies, but Age of Ultron...
did the thing that current star Wars movies can't
do, which is make a thing and then make that
thing that they have, have so much story attached
to it that you never would have thought that
it actually makes the original property even
more interesting in the long run. Cause what
didn't I think that all started with, wasn't
there a lady that like came to Tony. afterwards
and like her son died in wachovia or something
is that right yeah that was civil war was it
civil war but she was talking about what happened
in age of ultron though right because it wasn't
her son there or kid there or something yeah
like davis i want to say yes but i feel like
it's racist because i don't know um uh But yeah,
I don't know. Like it's, it's, I mean, you know,
infinity war and end game were what they were.
There's no, there is no, there is no back to
the future too on those where you're like, this
is what was actually happening behind the scenes.
Like we saw what was happening. Everything happened
there. The first Avengers movie, it's set up
a lot, but I don't know. Well, I was going to
say. It eats itself by the Infinity War, right?
Is it Infinity War or Endgame where they go back?
It's Infinity War, right? Where they do the time
heist. No, it's Endgame. Listen, it's 173 hours
of movie. I don't know. I don't know. I'm rambling.
It's like midnight and I'm just talking at this
point. I'm sorry. I apologize. You guys are right.
I'm wrong. This metric is perfect and I am incorrect.
Doctor Strange is worse than Doctor Strange and
the Multiverse of Madness. Yeah, that one's...
Let's see what the deal was with that one. Just
for funsies. I mean, multiverse of madness was
like way cooler in the sense of like, they went
to some multiverses and you got to see, you know,
some of the most bullshit CG in all of Marvel
them. By the way, they had bullshit right next
to awesome because they're like, hey, Mr. Fantastic
string cheesed like like so many digital string
cheeses. And then they had Black Adam or whatever
his name is, like when he got his brain blown
out when, by the way, is this guy dumb? Like
he's got no mouth and he's like, huh? What do
you mean, huh? Like, you know, when you talk,
bad things happen, idiot. uh but i don't think
he said huh i think he flipped out and he went
and then it imagine imagine if a black belt was
like i didn't know what to do so i just jumped
in a wood chipper i didn't think uh uh but then
it was yeah fantastic string cheese that dude
when his brain caved in i was legitimately disturbed
like that looked a little too real i was like
oh this is This is why they hired Sam Raimi for
this one second of a scene where this dude's
skull liquefies. Yeah, the only like we did score
multiverse of Ben is kind of high. Why did we
give this music a nine? You got me, man. All
right, hold on. I'm going to look that up. We
both gave it a nine. We have no excuses. Yeah,
what the hell's wrong with this? I was going
to say, name a song from that movie. Yeah, that's
maybe a seven at best. Yeah, come the Doctor
Strange sting. Should we? Listen, I'm sorry.
Do you know what we'll do? We'll do this next
time. We'll go through these scores again. Hilarious.
We'll just go through because all of our scores
are on here other than a few. You guys used AIs
to score this, didn't you? Yeah, we'll figure
this out. We will release a freaking basically
all of our MCU ranking once we get some of these
ironed out. Anyway, with that, this has been
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the way, if anyone is still here, bless you,
child. Seriously. For real. This might be the
longest episode we've ever done. That could be
true. I talk too much for that to be true. I'm
sure I've done a four or five hour one. No. Part
of the reason why I like this show is because
I can. listen to you guys talk about a movie
i'll never watch and uh i watched the first you
know re like tron 2 or whatever the new trilogy
thing is hated it i'll never watch another tron
movie so please do that movie so i can know what
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we'll do next week well you will do tron aries
hell yeah yeah what's the guy's name that everybody
hates the joker oh jared leto jared leto i kept
thinking jake gyllenhaal i'm like i think everybody
loves him uh yeah no i think a lot of people
hate him too i don't i don't know for what though
i freaking love jake gyllenhaal like anytime
i see him doing anything like there's so many
people giving him shit online I don't know. They're
trolls because he's a handsome fellow. And they're
like, I wish I was handsome. I wish I could have
an excuse to get freaking 87 pack abs by doing
some kind of UFC movie where I just fight people
all day. Like, yeah, man, Jake Gyllenhaal seems
cool. Like he seems like I would, I bet he wouldn't,
but I bet he would do this podcast. If you asked
him, that'd be sick. But he might. But he wouldn't.
But he might. But anyway, look forward to us
breaking down Tron Ares next week. Until then,
this has been the All Pros Podcast. I'm Caleb.
And I'm Jonathan. And I'm still a baby. And we'll
catch you guys next week. Deuces. See ya. Bye
-bye.