what is up bros i'm jonathan and i'm caleb and
we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you
guys the most detailed movie reviews out there
with as little bias as possible welcome to the
all bros uh this week on the podcast uh since
me and caleb don't really have much to talk about
what we've watched um unless you got anything
not really i finally finished season one of the
purge so yeah that's all i got and yeah super
good i'm definitely excited for uh season two
i actually started watching the first episode
of season two and like the opening is i feel
like really bad because so it's um they do the
origin of the announcement how they got like
the lady um and the poor lady thinks she's just
reading for like a movie or a tv show oh shit
yeah they're they're just like she's like what's
my character and she they're just like oh think
of her as a caretaker you know like she's explaining
these rules to these certain people and she's
like okay yeah that's what i thought it was and
when she's like reading the announcement she
says all crime except murder and the new founding
fathers just like whoa whoa wait wait a minute
it says including murder. And she's like, oh,
but I'm not telling people to kill each other.
Am I? And they're just like, it's okay. Just,
just read it how we have written. Just read it.
You performing monkey. So, so she finishes it
and fricking like, I got like fricking, I got
chills. Cause it's, you know, like it's the original
lady that does the announcement. So like, you're
just like, oh shit. Okay. So this is how it starts.
And freaking it just ends with, so is this going
to be like in a movie or something? And then
freaking it shows the Purge title card. That's
nuts. Yeah. But the first season, though, it
sucks that this show only got two seasons because
I feel for how much you can do with the Purge.
A TV show just makes sense. And, you know, they
keep the first season very small scale. It only
happens in, you know, like a small town. But
what they are able to do and like how different
people purge, you know, they still really focus
on the murder aspect. But they do also focus
on the stuff that nobody wants to talk about
when it comes to what you can do on purge night.
Oh, boy. Yeah, they do address that. And as much
as I appreciate that they do, it's, you know,
it's very hard to watch that shit. Um, but, um,
what else? It's, it's interesting though. Like
how they, uh, one of the main guys, like he,
the new founding fathers really drive it into
everyone's brain that you will be reborn after
you purge, like everything that's been eating
you up, uh, over the years, everything that's
affected you. Once you purge, like you will have
your slate clean and. that's absolute bullshit
like come on um but just yeah like the show does
a really good job uh with that uh some of you
know it's a purge series so like some of the
acting's like hit and miss but that's just how
it is um but no i was pleasantly surprised with
the first season really good so i'm excited for
the second one that's good yeah i all i've been
watching is uh king of the hill Hell yeah. I've
been going down that road, bro. The shit that
they have ended seasons on nuts. Yep. Like, like
I'll like sit there, like something crazy will
happen and I'll be like, Oh wow. Like that's
a, that's a pretty. decent like cliffhanger thinking
like the next episode is going to be like the
conclusion of it and i'll look and it'll be like
the new season episode one i'm like are you shitting
me like you ended a season like that you freaking
crazy bitches gotta keep people keep people coming
back man for real though but no dude the freaking
episode that i'm talking about is uh hank and
peggy they go uh, skydiving for their anniversary.
Have you seen that one? I don't think I have.
Yeah. So it's the final ep. That's the final
episode of the season where they're trying to
figure out something fun and exciting to do for
their anniversary, just to kind of spice things
up. So Hank jumps out of the plane and goes and
Peggy kind of like freaks out and doesn't want
to. And so they're like circling around and then
like the, the guys are saying like, all right,
like this is the final time. Like it's either
now or never. And. And Hank gets on like the
radio and talks to Peggy. He's like, you got
to try it. It's so good. It's so good. And she's
like, all right, cool. And so she freaking jumps
out of the plane. She doesn't freaking open.
Oh, shit. And then you just I shit you not, dude.
You just see him like Hank looking at her and
he's like. Is her parachute supposed to be open
by now? And like the other guys are like looking
at each other, like all panicked. And then you
just hear like you see her like. fall and go
ah boom and then that she all like you see Hank's
face just horror and he's like Peggy and then
boom season ends I'm like are you actually shitting
me but what ended up happening is she like broke
basically like every bone in her body because
but she survived because she landed in like in
really thick mud and so the mud like cushioned
her fall enough Oh my gosh. Wow. Okay. Yeah.
Crazy. And just, they've done that so many times
where I'm just like bloody hell. Like that's
a way to end an episode. And then it's like,
boom, next season. Are you like, you guys are
psycho. Oh, that's insane. But it is so funny.
Like, I love, uh, like, Peggy and Bobby are like
my two favorite characters. Bobby is amazing.
I love Bobby. Yeah, I love Peggy's like super
overconfidence and everything that she does,
especially when she thinks she's speaking Spanish.
And she thinks she's speaking it fluently and
she gets arrested in Mexico. for accidentally
kidnapping a child and the lawyer's defense is
that he's trying to prove that she's like very
not fluid in spanish and she she's like oh no
like you're not telling anybody that like i'd
rather go to jail than you guys tell tell people
that so hank's just like you know what And then
he like leans to the lawyer and he's like, you
will not tell the lawyer or the judge that my
wife cannot speak perfect Spanish. And then he
gives him a look and he's like, OK, I got it.
And then they do the rest of the the hearing
in Spanish. And then Peggy keeps leaning over
to Hank. That means I'm good. When they're like,
yeah, she's like she's like imbecilic. And it
was like she's. Thinking that they're saying
that it was like fully an accident and all this.
And they're just like, yeah, this woman's inept.
Doesn't know how to speak Spanish at all. Doesn't
understand basic Spanish phrases and this. And
she thinks like it's all. Yeah, she thinks it's
like all good. But it's hilarious. And then,
yeah, Bobby. I just watched the episode where
he takes that women's self -defense course. Oh,
that was one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, that
was freaking good. Yeah. Yeah, that was a great
episode. Just the, that's my purse. Oh, it's
so good. I don't know you. oh man yeah like that
one was so good because it's like i love the
the asian neighbor is hilarious oh yeah and i
was like gosh like i wonder who voices him and
it's some white dude yeah i remember that yep
i was like oh okay I thought that was funny as
hell. But, dude, the cameos in this show are
crazy. Like, freaking, they got Willie Nelson
in one episode. Freaking, like, all my favorite
country singers in, like, a different one. Reese
Witherspoon did a voice. Paul Giamatti's done
a voice. like they've gotten like everyone like
it's crazy but yeah peggy and bobby are like
my favorite i love dale oh yeah dale's boomhauer
is also up there for me a little bit it makes
me sad how much of boomhauer i do understand
oh man like because i i i recognize that like
after he was talking and my wife's like what
the hell does he say like every episode just
talks gibberish and i'm like well he just said
and i explained what it is that he said and i'm
like oh i speak redneck oh yeah i was laughing
my ass off of that other than that um i haven't
really watched much else like i've just been
trying to like yeah just organize and get everything
else like ironed out here still trying to figure
out what i'm wanting to do like with my my scenery
because i got a bunch of posters i have i have
those two spider -man ones i need to order frames
for um i got an across the spider -verse poster
i got those two um two wall wall decoration or
signs that I've had forever that haven't been
hung up in a while. So I want to get those up.
Then I got all my pop figures and everything
else to put up, but I don't know exactly where
I'm going to put those. So I need to figure all
that shit out. And then I just need to get my
garage organized because it is a mess. but i
also got a lot of other shit i need to do like
any finish insulating the the outside walls and
yeah that's lots of fun shit yeah you got your
plate quite full yeah so anyway that's why i'm
not that's why i haven't been watching watching
movies okay no understandable i want i'm going
to knock out a few because my braille wants to
watch happy gilmore too okay i want to do a refresher
so i'll watch the first one i want to watch that
k -pop demon hunter and then my sister -in -law
just logged into apple tv on my xbox so there's
a shit ton of movies i want to knock out on on
that too oh yeah so lots and lots and lots of
stuff i'm going to be trying to knock out all
right hell yeah all right well um So there's
what we've watched recently. So we'll also be
covering our favorite segment slash new segment,
Connect the Stars. That's what it's called, right?
Yep. Hell yeah. And then after we play a couple
rounds of that, we will be jumping into our headliner
of the evening, which will be our breakdown of
Fantastic Four. First steps. How long did you
plan that out? Shockingly, only like 10 minutes
ago. Only 10 minutes ago? Yeah, I know, right?
Shocker. No, don't worry. It has been planned
since I freaking left the movie theater. All
right. All right, let's do it. Let's play some
Connect the Stars. Hell yeah. uh shout out to
the creators of this game eric by and amanda
hum um the so the rules that we set out for ourselves
is that we can veto either of these stars that
because it's randomly generated we can veto any
of them if they um if we aren't as familiar with
their filmography so that's that's really the
only rule and everything else is from memory
so no looking it up if we forget the name of
a movie that they're in like it's kind of too
bad so sad for us yep all right so first up with
round one the first star we got is anne hathaway
okay and melissa mccarthy oh that's an easy one
yeah What is the name of that movie they were
in? It was a spy movie. Oh, no. I'm thinking
of. Huh? Was it? I don't. Oh, it wasn't a spy
movie. Oh, that's not it, though. Oh, you're
thinking of Get Smart. Is it Get Smart? I think
so. No, it's not that one. There's one. Oh, it's
not Melissa McCarthy. It's Rebel Wilson. That
I'm thinking of. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, I know
what movie you're talking about. Yeah, but these
two have been in a movie together. I can't think
of what, though. Was it Witches? If I could spell
Witches. Witch? No. What am I thinking of? I
can't think of it. You're not confusing Anne
Hathaway with Sandra Bullock, are you? Oh, that's
exactly what I'm doing. Okay. So you were thinking
The Heat? Yep. Yeah. No, dude, that's fair. No,
I get it. Um, which I'm pretty like now that
you bring that up, the heat gives us Sandra Bullock
and Sandra Bullock and Anne Hathaway were in
oceans 11. No. Or was it 12? I haven't seen any
of the Oceans movies, so I do not know. Twelve.
No. Eleven. Okay. She was in a freaking Oceans
movie. It wasn't Oceans 13, was it? It might
be. Oceans 13. Okay. Twelve. God damn it. 11
it's not oceans okay this is bullshit she was
in an oceans movie like she was sandra i know
for sure i don't know if anne hathaway was in
it but i know for damn sure sandra bullock was
in a movie either like it was ocean something
okay okay uh god damn what other thread do we
do we got um that's an excellent question What
else? Because Melissa McCarthy's worked with
damn near everyone, too. I'm trying to think
if we can connect anyone that was in The Devil
Wears Prada with Anne Hathaway to Melissa McCarthy.
To Melissa? Has she ever worked with Glenn Close?
Is it Glenn Close that's in that one? No, that's...
Oh, that's... What's her name? Oh. Oh, I feel
so horrible for forgetting her name. I know.
Dude, I forget her name so frequently. Goddamn.
Freaking... God, what's her name? Meryl Streep.
Oh, that's right. Meryl Streep. That's what it
is. So is she in anything with... I'm trying
to think who else is in that movie because I
think it's just Meryl Streep. yeah i think oh
emily blunt's in that one has emily blunt and
melissa done anything um like that they weren't
in bridesmaids together were they i don't think
so no it doesn't look like oh well let's see
emily blunt nope okay that gives us a few people
and hathaway i mean we got easy like Christian
Bale, Hugh Jackman. Gosh, I am drawing a blank,
dude. Yeah, man, this one's tough. Trying to
think of what else Anne Hathaway. So let's just
Dark Knight Rises. She was in Princess Diaries.
I mean, that gives us Julie Andrews. Yeah, that's
true. I'm trying to think. Comedies. I don't
know if this one could work. Okay, so Julie Andrews.
This is going to be a long one. Okay. Julie Andrews
worked with Cameron Diaz when they did Shrek
2 together. All right, Shrek 2. Okay, Shrek the
third. What? Well, wait, do we have Julie Andrews
just as an actress? Oh, that's right. Julie Andrews.
Shrek 2. Okay, and then do Cameron Diaz. Cameron
Diaz. And then do Charlie's Angels because Charlie's
Angels had Melissa McCarthy in it. What? Yeah,
it was a very quick cameo, but it was like Lucy
Liu was playing it like they all three were like,
you know, doing their thing. And Melissa McCarthy
is like the one guiding her in this like business
office. And she's like all being nice to her.
And Lucy Liu is just like, oh, I already knew
that or some shit like that. And then Melissa
McCarthy, like under her breath, calls her a
bitch. And she's like, I heard that. Yeah. Like
I said, it was going to be a long one, but hey,
we got it. Okay, so surprising enough, they have
not appeared in any movies together. Huh. Anne
Hathaway and Melissa McCarthy. Interesting. Hollywood,
make that happen, because I would love to see
that team up. Yes, please. So that very well
might have been the shortest distance between...
Shortest way between them. Yeah. No. Hold on.
I want to look up that Ocean's 12 movie. Ocean's
8. God damn it. Oh, that's what it was. God damn.
I went Ocean's 10. Are you actually shitting
me? I hate everything. Oh, shit. God. Oceans
8. F my life. Son of a bitch. Oh, my God. I feel
so stupid. Dude, I never would have thought going
backwards from 10, man. God. I was sitting there.
I was like, I haven't heard of an Oceans 9. This
makes me want to run headfirst into traffic,
dude. That was amazing. I hate it. All right.
Round two. Let's go. Awkwafina. Okay. And Maggie
Gyllenhaal. Why is her track record escaping
me? All that's coming to my right now is The
Dark Knight. That's all that's coming to me,
too. Which, I mean, gives us Christian Bale.
Heath Ledger. And Michael Caine. And Michael
Caine. And Morgan Freeman. We can work with Morgan
Freeman. I feel like Morgan Freeman and Awkwafina
would be easier to connect. That's true. All
right. We can roll with that. So the Dark Knight
gives Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman. All right.
And then Awkwafina, I can connect her to John
Cena. What else? She was in Shang -Chi. Yes.
The Bad Guys. Oh, yeah. I forgot that she's in
that. She plays a spider, right? Yeah. Yeah.
I'm trying to think of, like, the Now You See
Me actors, if, like, any of those tie into Awkwafina.
Yeah. Ooh. Okay. I got one. So Awkwafina was
in Shang -Chi. Shang -Chi cameoed Mark Ruffalo.
And Mark Ruffalo and Morgan Freeman were in Now
You See Me. Nice. Boom! Made up for my stupid
mistake last round. Very nice, man. So Awkwafina.
starred in shang chi who featured mark ruffalo
in a small cameo who was in now you see me with
morgan freeman who is in the dark knight with
maggie gyllenhaal all right all right uh one
more round yeah let's do it all right first up
we got naomi watts i don't know if i can name
one movie that she's been in i don't know if
i could either respin yep so first we got rachel
mcadams easier yeah and emma watson okay interesting
okay oh let's i'm trying to think of who we can
connect emma watson to I mean, we got our frickin
selection out of Harry Potter. True. But that's
going to be difficult to connect. Rachel, too.
So I know. So, Emma, outside of Harry Potter,
we I can do a connector to Tom Hanks. Oh, yeah,
that's true. Which have you seen that movie?
The Circle? I haven't. I always wanted to, but
I never got around to checking it out. Brother.
freaking crazy okay like good crazy or bad crazy
uh kind of in the middle so she like what ends
up happening in that is she joins this company
the circle and it like basically has to create
an online persona for herself something happens
where she like blows up And so she like becomes
super famous and whatnot. And does this test
thing where I think it's in her eyes. Like the
camera is like in her eyes. So she is constantly
being tracked. Like everything that she is viewing
is constantly being streamed. Like at all, like
24 fricking seven. So like when she's awake to
when she's asleep, like everything. And it ends
up. causing a lot of issues for her and her personal
life and i think there was um she tries to track
down a friend of hers that she had lost contact
with and she goes on like her social media to
try and like find this guy but they start using
drones and basically hunt this guy down and he
like freaks out because he's like he's someone
that likes to be off the grid So he ends up like
flipping out and ends up like crashing his, his
car. Like he like drives off of a, of a bridge
or some shit. And so it just shows her like basically
like cutting everything off. Okay. Wow. Yeah.
It gets, it gets fricking nuts. Damn. But I'm
trying to think, what can we connect Rachel McAdams
to? Oh, also, we got Luke Evans beating the Beast.
Oh, yeah. Considering that Emma Watson had that
small cameo in This Is The End, I don't know
if those guys give us a lot. That gives us a
good amount. I feel like Rachel McAdams and Jonah
Hill have been in something together. Dude, I'm
drawing such a big blank on her filmography.
Okay, so Rachel McAdams. We got Doctor Strange.
We have Multiverse of Madness. We have The Notebook.
Mean Girls. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she was in Mean Girls.
Gosh, there's another one that she was in with
Channing Tatum, which, oh. You could totally
tie that in with Jonah Hill. Yep. What's the
name of that movie, though? Shit. Oh, my gosh.
Do you remember the storyline at all? Maybe I
could remember it. like what's about so it so
Channing Tatum and Rachel McAdams are married
and she gets into a car accident and loses her
memory of him like of their whole married life
and so she like they try to like work things
out and everything but it doesn't end up going
that way so she goes back so she like completely
forget she forgets everything up to like before
she like like ever like she forgets ever having
met him like so her husband so she she still
thinks she's like out of like uh out of college
like she like because they met while she was
in college so she remembers her ex -boyfriend
and being on like a good relationship with her
family and all that which she did not have like
she like she broke off an engagement with her
with her ex and her family like kind of cut her
off and so they kind of like try to put her back
into the the life that she was in because she
was supposed to be in law school but she quit
to join art school uh and then yeah she she met
channing tatum's character it god that's gonna
yeah yeah dude i oops i yeah dude i hate that
i can't even think of the title of that movie
because yeah that sounds familiar too Yeah. Shit.
That's going to piss me off. It's it's not something
to remember. I feel like remembers in the title.
Trying to think about like the other guys. I
mean, we got. Can you think of, you know, if
we're doing her with Mean Girls, Mean Girls has
Tina Fey. Can you think of any movie that Tina
Fey has been in with any of these guys? Because
there has to be one of them, right? Yeah. Tina
Fey. Was John Cena in This is the End? No. Bro,
there is. Channing Tatum is in This is the End.
Yeah. I can't remember how it connects to Rachel
McAdams. Sorry, we're back to the. Cause I thought
we were going to tag, tie him to Jonah Hill and
damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Both ways. No, we wouldn't
have to like, if I could just remember the movie
that those two were in. Oh yeah, that's true.
Like, like that would be closed, but yeah, I
can't. Damn it. Um, what else is Tina Fey been
in? Yeah. Like I was trying to. Okay. So Rachel
McAdams, I can connect. Benedict Cumberbatch.
What's the name of the guy that played Beast?
Luke Evans? No, he was Gaston. Damn it. Oh, Dan
Stevens. Yeah. Okay, so we can get Dan Stevens.
We can get... Or no, that's Emma Watson. Rachel
McAdams. We can get Ryan Gosling. We can get
Cyclops. Freaking hell, what's his name? James
Marsden? James Marsden. Lindsay Lohan. Amanda
Siffried. Gosh, I am drawing a blank. Yeah, dude,
same here. Good lord. I'm just going to make
a shot in the dark and say, like, it's not remember
me. Remember when? Nope. Damn. It's not a walk
to remember. Nope. She was in game night with
Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. Okay. Which is
just Jason Bateman been anything with any of
these guys? I mean, putting Jason Bateman in
that gives us horrible bosses. And so like, I
feel like one of those actors has got to connect
with something. Yeah. So that gives us Charlie
day and Jason Sudeikis. Ooh, he was in Dodgeball.
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, he played one of
the announcers. Oh, cool. So that gives us a
lot of comedy people. Yeah. Who else may play
themselves in This Is The End? So you got Jonah
Hill, Seth Rogen, Jay Baruchel, Danny McBride,
and James Franco. Okay, any other celebrity cameos
like Emma Watson? I know Channing Tatum was one.
Yeah. Was his name Craig Ferguson? Is that his
name? Yeah. I can't think of any other stuff
off the top of my head. Michael Cera was also
in it, too. Michael Cera. Hmm. Okay, so if Michael
Cera... Was in that. Oh, how did I say Rachel
McAdams connects to John Cena? OK, so Rachel
McAdams in the notebook. Gives us Ryan Gosling,
who was in Barbie. All right, there you go. Oh,
yeah, that took us too long. That one was a pain
in the ass. I'm going to shoot myself. When I
find out what the name of this goddamn movie
is. Rachel McAdams. Channing Tatum movie. The
Vow. I wasn't even close. God, that pisses me
off. Let's see what else we. Probably could have
gotten away with. Yeah. Doctor Strange, Game
Night, Southpaw, About Time, The Vow, Sherlock
Holmes, Time Traveler's Wife, Wedding Crashers,
Notebook, Mean Girls, Hot Chick. Damn, that pisses
me off. The Vow. How in the world? I wasn't even
close. She's not even in a movie with the word
remember in the title. Damn, that sucks. That
one took us way too long. Yeah, that's okay.
Hey, we still got it. All right, so with this
one, we got Rachel McAdams, who was in The Notebook.
co -starring Ryan Gosling, who starred in Barbie,
which also starred Michael Cera. Michael Cera
did a small cameo in This is the End, and he
also did a cameo in that movie with Emma Watson.
Yep. Good Lord. Wow. That took us way too long.
We made it. That's all that matters. Yep. All
right. Well, what do you say we jump into our
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right. Well, jumping into our headliner of the
evening, like we said, we'll be doing Fantastic
Four First Steps. So, Caleb, do you want to let
people know how we break down movies on this
podcast? I would love to. If you are new to our
breakdown system, we have split movies into eight
different categories that we individually score
to come to a final All Bros letter grade. The
eight categories that we are going to score are
story. writing, acting, character development,
effects, music, costumes, and then give it our
own personal score at the very end. All of those
numbers get magically added up and spit through
our algorithm and give us a letter grade to compare
this movie to others of a similar grade. Yeah,
despite what people may say, the ranking doesn't
necessarily matter as much as the score itself.
But it is fun to see where these movies line
up in our... in our hierarchy it is because the
margins are so close like they may as well just
be the same movie yeah that's fair but there's
always some category that bumps things up either
just a little bit up or just a little bit down
it always ends up pissing us off yep true that
so if you have not seen fantastic four the first
steps uh there's some spoilers in this one. Like,
I think there's definitely stuff to, to be spoiled
in this. So go check it out and then come back
and, and listen to the episode. But if you have
not watched it and you listen beyond this point,
it is your own damn fault because this is our
favorite segment that we like to call reading
with Rose. All right. In 1960, on Earth -828,
astronauts Reed Richards, Sue Storm, Ben Grimm,
and Johnny Storm embarked on a mission into outer
space during which they gained superhuman abilities
from exposure to cosmic rays. Upon returning
to Earth, they became the superhero team known
as the Fantastic Four. Four years later, the
team had... The team have become celebrities
and are regarded as the world's protectors, engaging
in philanthropic and diplomatic efforts through
the Future Foundation. During a family dinner,
Reed and Sue reveal to Ben and Johnny that they
are expecting a child. The Silver Surfer comes
to Earth and declares that the planet has been
marked for destruction by Galactus, a planet
-devouring cosmic being. Reed studies the disappearance
of other planets to verify this claim, and the
team decides to find Galactus before he comes
to Earth. They track the Silver Surfer's energy
signature and use Faster Than Light, FTL, travel
to reach a new planet. As they arrive, the planet
is destroyed by Galactus' ship and the team is
captured. Galactus reveals that he has an insatiable
hunger which has driven him to consume planets
for eons. He senses that Reed and Sue's unborn
child has immense cosmic power and would be able
to take on Galactus' hunger, freeing himself
from it. Galactus offers to spare Earth in exchange
for the child and induces Sue to go into labor.
into labor. The team refuses and escapes from
the ship. They are followed by the Silver Surfer
who destroys their FTL system. They use the gravity
from a black hole to delay the Silver Surfer
and send themselves back to Earth. Sue gives
birth to a boy, Franklin, on the way. On their
return to Earth a month later, Reed reveals the
details of their encounter during a press conference.
Their decision to save one child over the billions
of other people on Earth leads to a public outcry,
with many calling for Franklin to be sacrificed
to Galactus. Based on his interactions with the
Silver Surfer and some deep space transmissions
Reed received from her planet as well as planets
that Galactus has destroyed, Johnny begins to
decipher the Silver Surfer's native language.
protests against the fantastic four wait sorry
as galactus draws near and protests against the
fantastic four escalate sue takes franklin to
meet with protesters she explains that they will
not give up their child but they will also not
give up on the rest of humanity using a teleportation
system that has not been worked that Reed devises
a plan to build large teleportation bridges across
Earth so they can transport the entire planet
to another solar system where Galactus cannot
reach them. Through the Future Foundation, Sue
organizes the world's nations into building the
bridges and conserving the energy needed to use
them. As the bridges are about to be activated,
the Silver Surfer returns and begins destroying
them. Johnny stops her from destroying the last
bridge in Times Square. He uses her native language
to identify her as Shalabal, and she explains
that she chose to become Galactus' herald in
exchange for his sparing her world, Zenla. Johnny
plays transmissions from the planets she helped
Galactus destroy, and Shalabal... Is it Shalabal,
right? Mm -hmm. Shalabal flees. Using Franklin
as bait, the team plans to lure Galactus to the
last bridge and teleport him away instead. Sue
negotiates with Harvey Elder to evacuate the
citizens of New York to his underground city
of Subterranea. Galactus makes his way... I like
how they don't point out that he's the Mole Man.
It kind of makes more sense why he has... underground
fortress. Galactus makes his way through the
city and captures Franklin. Sue uses all her
power to push him towards the portal with a force
field while Reed rescues Franklin. Johnny attempts
to sacrifice himself to give Galactus a final
push into the portal, but is stopped by Shalabal.
She pushes Galactus and herself, and the portal
closes behind them. Sue dies from her efforts
but is revived by Franklin. The world celebrates
their victory. A year later, the team and Franklin
prepare to appear on a talk show before departing
for a mission. In a mid -credit scene set four
years later, Sue takes her eyes off Franklin
to find a book that he wants her to read. She
comes back to see him interacting with a man
in a green cloak who is holding a metal mask.
I wonder who that could be. not like there's
only one villain that they interact that fits
that exact description dude freaking i wanted
to tell one of my co -workers i freaking hate
you dude because a couple days leading up to
you know the thursday premiere he's like oh jonathan
did you uh hear uh uh what the the speculation
for the post -credit scene is i'm like I don't
want to hear it. Don't tell me. Don't say anything.
He's like, oh, well, I don't know. It's just
speculation. But they're thinking that Dr. Doom
is going to be in it. I'm just like, dude, what
do you think it means? Like, oh, don't say anything.
I don't want anything spoiled. Yeah, I'm sure
I could have assumed that, yeah, for the mid
-credits scene, they're going to put Dr. Doom
in there. But still, I still wanted to be surprised
by it. Yeah, well, I mean, yes, it is speculation.
We knew. Yeah, but like, you know, like, come
on, man. There's no way that they didn't think
that they were going to get away with doing a
whole ass Fantastic Four movie and not include
Dr. Do. That's fair. Imagine if they did, though.
That would be crazy. That would. i'm just glad
like you're gonna include like you're gonna include
freaking galactus mole man and all like those
other like random ass villains but you're not
gonna show us dr doom i'm just glad that he was
the post -credit scene and not like affiliated
with the rest of the movie because i feel that
would have detracted from i mean mole man didn't
really get a lot to do i mean paul walter hauser
was fantastic in the role but i heard that there
was a lot of stuff with the mole man on the cutting
room floor like there was actually like a good
amount of scenes between him and sue that explained
why they actually like formed a relationship
and so when she asks him to take all these uh
citizens underground he is more than happy to
like so it it sucks that like that got cut um
but just i i feel like it would have been like
kind of it would i don't want to say it would
take me out of the movie because it's freaking
dr doom but it for us focusing on galactus him
being the big baddie of this movie and silver
surfer uh throwing in dr doom towards like the
end of the movie i feel that would have been
like too much yeah but it made sense that he
was just like an in cameo yeah um i want to know
exactly like this just kind of almost pissed
me off a little bit for what now, like they just
added one more thing that they have to show us
in doomsday. Like they, like they added, like
instead of giving us a scene of showing us like
how the fantastic four gets to like earth, I
guess it's six one six. Like, which as much as
that pisses me off, like as. that they have to
show us how the fantastic four get there now
too so not only do you have all this other bullshit
that you need to show us you also like you have
to show us how the fantastic four get there like
i thought the the cameo it's like oh four years
later i was like okay cool the fan like I was
expecting like, all right, the fantastic four
are going on a mission. Like they're planning,
like they're doing this or doing that, like whatever.
Like, so that's what I thought we were going
to see. I'm like, all right, so we're going to
see like what led up to them traveling to earth
616. Yeah. Or at least like a little clip of
it, but no, nothing. Which kind of really shocks
me because the Russo brothers directed that mid
credit scene, but also. the director even said
sorry i don't like the russo brothers i really
i have as superhero like movie directors yeah
i do not care for the direction that they've
taken a lot of the mcu okay and the fact that
they're in charge of this new iteration aggravates
me to hell oh shit uh -oh yeah um well uh caleb's
in for a bumpy ride then i am way in for a bumpy
ride dude i oh like i don't hate them but i don't
love them um but what i find they can't handle
the chaos that is marvel marvel is full of chaotic
situations and they can't handle it yeah They
have proven that they can't. They freaking nerfed
my favorite character in the whole goddamn world.
I mean, they did fine by my character, but I'm
just not going to touch upon that. Oh, I'm going
to flip you off so hard. But apparently, from
what I saw in an interview, the director of this
movie, who, what's his name? It was like Max
Shackman or something like that. Matt Shankman.
Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Uh, yep. Yeah.
Max, Max Shackman. Um, he had like, I don't,
I don't know if he had not seen Thunderbolts
or what, but like he had no knowledge of that,
uh, mid credit scene. I hate that. Yeah. Oh my
God. I'm just going to spoil a little bit of
what I'm feeling with this movie. In terms of
what we got with Marvel and DC movies, Superman
wiped the floor this year. Superman is my number
one superhero movie of the year. Followed by
Thunderbolts. Okay. And then this one. Actually,
let me just double check. superhero movies i'm
pretty sure we're done there there's nothing
left yeah i just want to make sure that that's
all we got this year okay so we got brave new
world thunderbolts superman and then fantastic
four yeah i i get where you're coming from i
i do um but like for I don't know how much you
enjoy the Fantastic Four as a team. I love the
Fantastic Four as a team. They're also one of
my favorite teams. It's interesting that it seems
like we're very different with this movie. I'm
not going to say the personal score, but I definitely
agree with Caleb. Superman is the best superhero
movie this year, definitely. Thunderbolts and
Fantastic Four are pretty damn close to it, I
feel. And I feel like I have Fantastic Four and
Thunderbolts like neck and neck, like it's a
coin flip on which one I preferred. And I mean,
that just shows how much I really enjoyed both
movies. And by God, was it wonderful to finally
get a damn good Fantastic Four movie. um like
i enjoy the o5 one and rise of the silver surfer
is good but that this one yeah freaking they
they did the team right this time and i appreciated
the hell out of that but it does what sucks about
this is you know this one i feel felt a lot like
a phase one movie because you know you're you're
setting up these characters and you're not having
to like deal with all the multiverse shit and
like incorporating all these other characters
so i'm very scared going into avengers doomsday
with these characters because i loved that like
it takes place on a different different earth
you only have the fantastic four as heroes we
don't have to worry about any other superheroes
and now we're traveling back to 616 and we you
have to freaking incorporate the fantastic four
with the x -men the avengers like i don't know
how the hell they're gonna make this work and
yeah but when i'm just thinking of this movie
um i i love what we saw um and so it just it
just sucks that what we got here was so good
is i'm I'm just scared of what they have to do
with these characters after this movie. Cause
yeah, I liked that. We just got to focus on the
fantastic four. No other heroes were associated.
It was, it was just a really nice change of pace.
I, I'll agree with that. I, I have different
feelings about this movie. So what they did with
the universe, like making this a completely separate
universe from the rest of the MCU, love that.
It upsets me a little bit that Marvel hasn't
taken advantage of the world that they created
with the multiverse. Think about this. They're
jumping on the bandwagon of like... Oh, there
has to be a complete continuity that all of these
different like they've established in Loki. Like
this is something that they themselves have established
that the same like you like everything happens
the exact same. Like there's the sacred timeline,
but there is a multiverse within the sacred timeline.
But everyone looks different. So like you have
the like the classic Thor. Or like the Loki,
the one that's like 100 % comic accurate, like
kind of the old man Loki, right? So you have
him. You have the Loki that was able to kill
Thor. You have kid Loki. You have all these people
that are living the sacred timeline story, which
is basically what we saw within the MCU. So in
every... iteration there is a different iron
man there is a different captain america there's
there's this there's different versions of every
single character the issue that i like that i
feel marvel's jump down is they haven't taken
advantage of that at all like you've created
a world a a multiverse level world you can go
and basically do what you did with like giving
us venom Like you can show and show us like,
Hey, people that interact with the multiverse
can pull these movies that we love together,
but they don't like, they don't have to either.
Like, it's like, like how nice would it be if
they were like, Hey, we have a new Iron Man movie
coming out. This new, this brand new actor is
playing Iron Man. He's playing Iron Man from
earth. one two three and then you get a quick
brief explanation of things that have happened
to this iron man just like we did in superman
and then boom a fully independent iron man story
that is reliant on no other continuity whatsoever
yeah i like that yeah it's exactly like like
what they've they could have done with with fantastic
four like or what they've done with fantastic
four they told it like at the beginning of the
movie boom earth 828 boat and then like put us
right into the middle of the shit yeah i love
that both this and uh superman skips the origin
story and just like got us right in superman
did it better i have i don't know man freaking
because um i don't know maybe it's just because
i have a soft spot for fantastic four more and
i know the story more um for you dude when this
movie first started and i feel it takes a lot
for me to do this i only got halfway through
my popcorn and when this movie started i just
put it to the side and i was freaking locked
on i didn't touch that popcorn again until the
movie ended that is the first time that that
has ever happened to me um but just i i love
that we just jumped right into um how they How
they're literally just doing – the freaking talk
show host is just doing a recap of how they went
into space, how they got their powers. They're
doing the freaking character bios and going through
all of them. The first 10 minutes, I just had
the biggest smile on my face seeing these four.
And so I completely get where you're coming from
with Superman did it better. but like for me
it's um like fantastic four might just be like
a hair above when when it comes to like getting
right into the action but like still like recapping
on how we got here yeah i mean it's different
for sure like it's definitely like i think it
would have felt a little knockoffy if they would
have done the exact same thing oh yeah yeah it's
like the fantastic four while yes we have seen
like we've seen their origin a couple times like
in in uh in live action like it it's i will say
it's probably not as well known as superman that's
fair so superman can get away with less yeah
that that is very true yeah so i don't have very
many problems with this movie until we get to
the end like i don't think that they ended this
quite right it almost like it was almost like
a an anticlimactic end you know that that's fair
because i've seen a good amount of people say
that because like in the middle you get this
like honestly amazing um story with the fantastic
four going to negotiate with galactus doesn't
go well them um getting back to their ship they
don't have enough fuel to get back to earth um
Reed um saying that uh what oh god what does
he say um I forget what way he says that they
can get back but just freaking the uh freaking
Johnny and Ben at the controls trying to do what
Reed needs them to do uh Reed trying to comfort
Sue as she's literally giving birth just it's
so chaotic but it's done so well That you're
just like, okay, yeah, this is the freaking Fantastic
Four stories that I want. This is freaking great.
This is so good. And then I would have to agree
with you. The ending climax that we get or ending
fight, whatever, with Galactus. Like, yeah, you
know, it's awesome, you know, seeing Galactus,
how he is. And, you know, like we get why he's
there, you know, wanting to take Franklin. But
just... The final resolution, the way that it's
set up in a way also that it unfolds, it's definitely
not as good as that middle part. That shit was
just so freaking good. I was on the edge of my
seat the whole time. That was fantastic. No pun
intended. no it it was good like it it brought
me back to like rise of the silver surfer how
they concluded that where they were on the verge
of like figuring out how to like stop galactus
but obviously dr doom got in the middle of it
and just threw a big old freaking wrench in the
middle of their plan and so by the time they
defeated like dr doom and everything like it
was too late galactus was there and they're just
like like freaking um sue was out of commission
like everyone was like it was like we got nothing
left and so like it was all left up to silver
surfer and i think that's that's the the part
of this movie that that lost me well yes the
build -up to galactus coming to earth incredible
like absolutely incredible but what lost me is
silver surfer kind of sacrificing herself to
defeat galactus because it felt like i they the
build -up was always really good like the build
-up to that point was good because it was like
uh johnny learning learning silver surfer's language
and then like using it and telling like like
basically showing her the what she's caused on
all these different planets like making her face
that and then she just kind of pieces out for
the rest of the movie until galactus is on the
verge of defeat and then she comes in and just
freaking bushwhacks him and it disappears with
him that felt very like out of the blue to me
i mean yeah i i get that but i mean it could
have just been her like contemplating i guess
her life's decisions after he spared her world
and turned her into the silver surfer and just
realizing how horrible of a of a god galactus
is and all the damage that she had done and like
the only way to um uh redeem herself would be
sacrificing herself with her maker i get that
to a certain point But I would have liked to
see her struggle with that. Because it just felt
like she disappeared, dealt with her feelings
on that, and then came back and was like, and
played hero of the moment. Yeah, I feel that.
Like, this is how I feel like they should have
handled it. She should have been by Galactus's
side, not necessarily helping, but just kind
of like. being near him just in his like observing
what he was doing over the shoulder like yeah
observation yeah and then he should have like
commanded her to do some things and and whatnot
and she should have done those yeah and i think
that moment where he's beginning to get sucked
into the portal i think he should have like basically
called to her and then like while she's like
just like hovering there and then she sees johnny
like coming and she like she gets like commanded
to stop him and then i would have loved to see
her come and freaking just knock johnny out of
the way and then take that moment to turn around
and like basically like how cool would it have
been to be like i herald your end and then boom
oh that would have been so badass straight up
dude right like or just like i don't know just
something to figure out like to show off that
she wasn't team galactus other than like her
having like uh like this hurts my feelings boom
like disappear and then she comes out of nowhere
to save the day no it felt like bullshit yeah
no i get that I really want to know how much
was cut from this movie. The director said that
we'll never get a director's cut. That pisses
me off. If you watch all the trailers for this
movie, there's a good couple scenes that were
not in the movie. Especially the opening of the
first trailer when Sue and Reed are introducing
that one guy to the Baxter building. Would have
loved to see that in the movie. like i've heard
that marvel's trying to really cut down on their
run times and um don't yeah no like i would have
been fine with a two and a half hour fantastic
four movie um and so so like yeah this movie
definitely feels like it goes like beat for beat
for beat for beat like there's there's no time
to slow down i was fine with that but the fact
that i know like what was cut the that uh the
director and even the cast has said oh like hey
you know like the the these these two characters
like interactions like oh yeah that was cut down
or um showcasing like this um members like um
abilities more that that was cut down like i'm
just like I love what we got, but, like, it sucks
that we could have had more. Yeah. Like, you're
cutting the wrong thing. Yeah. Like, you're cutting
out the wrong shit. Marvel fans have proven we
don't give a flying shit about long run times.
No. Endgame is three hours long, and that shit
flies by. yeah that is like one of your highest
grossing movies it is a it's it is legitimately
a three hour long movie is your longest or is
your best running movie of all time you don't
think you might want to lean into that a bit
yeah like give us like a good quality movie that's
a little bit long like obviously don't make every
movie like five hours but like you could give
us more than two Yeah. And especially with this
being a team movie, like I feel like team movies
like should be longer. Like, yeah, no, you like
you get a good amount of time to spend with these
four and like they do a really good job fleshing
out all four. But I would have loved more time
with them. Yeah, it's just it was a bit of a
letdown. Like in terms of that, like it's just
like they they like at least that end fight.
It's just they focused on the wrong thing. And.
I would have liked to see a little bit more of
like silver surfer struggling with her decisions.
That's like, I understand like that interaction
with Johnny, not wanting to fully turn against
Galactus in that moment. Yeah. But I think there
should have been something like I would have
liked for her, like while she's like kind of
sitting there gliding beside him. If like, while
he's basically has like Franklin in his grasp.
or whatever, like have the sound of like Franklin
crying, echoing through her, her mind. Like have
his, his, his cries and just like mimicking like
the, the cries of her child. Like as she like
became the Herald of Galactus and basically like
sailed away. Yeah. Ooh. Like there, you could
have done so much. I. all i love this version
of the silver surfer i thought she was so good
yeah she was fantastic yeah um but yeah like
the like i said the first it's the first like
three quarters of this movie rock solid like
the pacing was good uh a little quick at times
but it gave you a really good vibe for who the
characters are And I like that they weren't like
shying away from like violence when Sue was like,
Johnny, you kill her. Like, God damn. Yeah. But
yeah, like I thought those interactions were
good. The only other complaint that I have with
this movie, you look like you know what I'm going
to say. I don't know if I do. What do you think
I'm about to say? Are you going to nitpick? Wait,
is it like a casting thing? No, no, no. Love
the casting. Oh, okay. Then I don't know. What
are you going to nitpick? Okay. They nerfed the
ever -living bejesus out of Mr. Fantastic. You
know what? I can't argue that. Because they wasted
him so bad. Because it's like, it's been shown
in the car. I don't know. Maybe they just, I
don't want to say that they didn't have the budget
for it, but like, I don't know. Like, I know
he can be stretched to his limits, but like fricking
when Galactus is like, you know, like fricking
pulling him. I'm just like. I feel like you could
stretch further than that. Yeah, Mr. Fantastic
could stretch further than this shit. Yeah. Dude,
they wasted it. I've seen so much that's showing
off the 2005 edition. And I'm like, yeah, that's
the version of Mr. Fantastic that we should be
getting. The one that can stretch his body through
an entire frickin' Ferris wheel. to like stop
it from falling the one that wrapped himself
like a blanket around dr doom like like are you
shitting me with this bullshit like this is barely
stretch armstrong uh because yeah you forget
you can't say like oh well you know like they
just barely got the powers no they've had them
for four years at this point and i feel that
like rage should have like at this point like
mastered how far he can stretch like reed richard
should know what his limit is so the fact that
freaking that's his limit like that no yeah like
dude this is exactly what i was afraid of them
doing with freaking miss marvel like they did
the same thing like yeah hers is now like light
energy based but it was it was more accurate
to what mr fantastic has done where he like stretches
his hand out and grows his hand to like to block
things or to catch things and like uses his body
as a full -blown freaking slingshot like this
he was just like jumping up and down some rubble
stretching a little bit further that he could
reach to like kind of fling himself around like
that's not mr fantastic i think i'm wondering
if they're just like they were afraid like oh
it was gonna be too cartoony i'm like have you
read the fantastic four comics like freaking
we love that shit when it comes to mr fantastic
and the fact that you said this in the 60s i
don't think that would have felt comic booky
at all yeah like what like are you kidding me
like you're not gonna you like mr fantastic can
stretch any part like you know how freaking happy
i was that we saw a little bit of that happening
where he got his face stretched out oh yeah i
was like where the was that yeah seriously like
that's some of the shit that i wanted to see
like i wanted him to like i don't know like i
wanted him to like freaking like trap like galactus's
hand like wrap around like him like a freaking
mitten yeah like or something well all we all
we got was as he's climbing galactus he's just
like stretching his hands out a little more so
he can like climb faster yeah freaking that's
bullshit and then yeah he gets stretched out
like freaking stretch armstrong and galactus
is sitting there like yeah like barely like anything
i'm like galactus should have like what i was
hoping and like looking forward to was galactus
grabbing him and fully like as far as he could
freaking like reach like that's what i was looking
for that would have been great yeah if you want
to give us like mr fantastic struggling with
that yes yeah understandable um but like i mean
even with the scene that we got like yeah damn
that was that was hard to watch it was and it
shouldn't have been yeah dude like i was saying
that like when he was doing that i was just like
oh my gosh like he's gonna be there all day like
just freaking like unraveling him like a freaking
string on a shirt and no he's like struggling
like oh my what and then his his clothes started
ripping i'm like are you who the is this guy
oh it it was truly aggravating it's very interesting
how like you know like some of the powers they
nailed and some like you know mr fantastic they
they they didn't fully nail um like sue visible
woman i think they killed it oh yeah yeah hers
were fantastic did people have said it she like
this was her movie you know what i'm not gonna
argue yeah and then i think the thing was a little
underutilized Yeah, so it's honestly funny that
both of the storms of the team had their powers
utilized the best. Oh, yeah. I love this version
of the Human Torch. How he turned the flame off
to save people. That was a really good little
addition. Yeah, it was. Yeah, and then the thing
was awesome. I couldn't get over the clothes,
though. Oh, really? Yeah. The scene where you
see him dragging the ship and he's without his
shirt, that felt the best. Yeah, that was awesome.
I loved that. Yeah, and then he was just wearing
clothes. Him wearing clothes in the Baxter building,
totally fine. Totally fine with that. Him wearing
it in battle didn't work for me. I was fine with
it. It worked for me. Yeah, I couldn't get over
it. I was just like, eh, not working. But yeah,
like I said, the story overall, killer. Like,
really freaking good. The Silver Surfer was amazing.
Like, I loved her. Like, so much. Yeah, she was
so good. Her interactions with Johnny were pretty
good. Oh, yeah. And then Galactus, dude. Holy
balls. They finally got him right. He was so
good. I am going to be so sad if they never use
Galactus again. They would be stupid not to.
Like, come on. You finally get him right, and
then that's it? Are you freaking kidding me?
Dude, every scene he was in, it was like, it
was impossible to not, I wish I would have gone
to see this in IMAX. I saw this in GTC, like
in their GCX theater. So it was like, it was
the best quality that I could get without paying
26 bucks. I genuinely wish that I would have,
I could have seen this in IMAX. i mean dude same
here i mean i saw an xd but yeah dude i would
have loved to see this shit in imax i i've dude
i watched or i saw this thing on on on instagram
where they were showing the differences between
like oh this is what the cinemark xd people saw
this is what these people saw and then like it
showed what the imax people saw and i'm like
god damn it i missed out I would have loved to
see this movie and Superman in IMAX. Oh, yeah.
That would have been amazing. Yeah, dude. Every
scene Galactus was in was a freaking cinematic
moment. Yeah. It was incredible. His first introduction
was crazy. I loved when he was like... Oh, when
he was coming down to earth and his frickin like.
It is. Oh, yeah. In his chair. Yeah. And then
you just his head frickin just like eclipses
the sun. I was like, brother, this is sick. So
good. Yeah. And then when he's like. towering
over the freaking statue of liberty or just kind
of like looking at her i'm like someone made
a hilarious joke uh that i saw and they posted
you know him looking at statue of liberty and
they're just like why the hell was he looking
at her like that and so someone commented he
wanted to make sure the ghostbusters weren't
gonna stop him this time oh thank you for remembering
that scene from Ghostbusters 2 yeah and then
like I said every moment dude every freaking
moment that he was in was just like a cinematic
masterpiece but I will never get over the feeling
of like just pure panic that I had when he was
like straight up just eclipsing the sun like
that I was like oh lord Like, you guys are screwed.
And I honestly, I couldn't pick out which version
of him I liked more with his eyes glowing or
with his eyes not glowing. That's fair. They
both looked fantastic. I'm going to catch myself
saying that a lot, aren't I? Probably. We should
probably start a counter. But oh, my gosh, dude,
like any time, like when when Johnny freaking
blasted him with like the fire and he like kind
of turns away and then you see him blink a couple
of times and then like just see his eyes glow
purple and then like. Amazing. So good. Oh, gosh,
freaking loved it. Like absolutely loved it.
Yeah. So everything with Galactus was amazing.
I love the little inclusion of Mole Man. I thought
that was really fun. Yeah, that was fun. I like
how quickly he pissed off Reed. And Sue's just
like, come on. And he's like, I had to do it.
Like, what do you need? I'm happy to give it
to you. I just love when freaking Reed calls
him Mole Man and that is what pisses him off.
He's just like, no, no, no, no, no. We don't
need to go there. We don't need to go there.
like this is why i love sue so much dude just
have little moments like that and she's just
like come on and she's like i had to and then
scared the living shit out of out of ben and
and johnny oh yeah like gosh like she was so
good i loved her yeah she was amazing yeah i
so story wise because of the issues i had i'm
sitting at like an 87 it was a very above average
story very close to hitting 90 but there was
just there was too much like they they dropped
the ball like their execution was damn near flawless
but they couldn't cross the finish line for me
not in a way that felt satisfying enough yeah
like all right cool no that's fair i mean now
that you know like i've gotten to talk to talk
about it with you um i definitely see where you're
coming from and like i i do somewhat agree um
because yeah like like the middle is just so
strong and the beginning and then like once we
get to the climax and how it unfolds and how
it ends you're just like okay you know like that
was good but like i think i wanted more like
you could have done a lot more with that It's
not necessarily more. It's just I would have
preferred them to handle it differently. Yeah.
OK. Sorry. So, yes. So, yeah, more more was the
wrong word. Yeah. It's like you kicked Silver
Surfer out too early. Like she needed to go and
basically like retreat to Galactus. Yeah. Like,
I think that's what needed to happen. We needed
to see her more. And then, yeah. And then it
wouldn't have felt so out of the blue that she
comes flying, knocks Johnny out of the way and
takes out Galactus. Yeah. Like, I think she needed
to kind of like sail by his side for a bit. No.
Yeah, I can agree with that. But like everything
before that is just super, super solid. And just.
When it comes to the story for the introduction
to these four into the MCU, I think they did
a really good job. For the most part, they did
a really good job with the story here. So I think
I'm just going to be slightly above you. I'm
the same thing with you. I just can't bump it
into the 90s. So I think I'm going to be at an
89. It's close. It's so close. there are things
like we talked about that just makes it miss
that Mark. Yeah. All right. Moving on over to
writing. This was pretty solid. I did very much
enjoy the change to Johnny as a character and
him actually being scientifically inclined. That
was, I had to catch myself from saying fantastic.
Oh my gosh, dude. Uh, yeah, no, I agree. Like
as much as I love, um, you know, how Chris Evans
portrayed, uh, Johnny storm, uh, in those first
two fantastic four movies, I love how much more
hands on that. Um, Joe, Oh my God. Who, who played
Johnny again? This one, Joseph Quinn, Joseph
Quinn. Thank you. Um, yeah, I, I fricking, I
want to make sure that I fricking got his name
right on. okay all right i'd make sure that i
got his name right uh freaking on our cast list
for some reason i thought i put joe carey um
i don't know why um but yeah no freaking i i
loved his uh what he contributed to the team
um his bantering with reed was just some of my
favorite dialogue in this movie how he uh reed
finally finishes the new super suits and johnny's
just like so in awe and he's just like you know
what i take back every single bad thing that
i said about you not to your face but just like
to myself yeah yeah they absolutely nailed the
character dynamic of these four um all of the
interactions between these four were just fantastic
god damn it um it was just so good like the only
one that i can think that like it was like brief
but like you could still see that there was a
strong connection between them i would say it
would be uh reed and ben yeah they didn't jump
on that nearly as much as i felt like they should
have that's fair but like i feel like we still
got a good grasp of like how you know like close
they were um But yeah, just like, oh my God,
I just can't say good enough about the writing
between these four. Like they made these four
like, you know, in the original, not the original,
the 05 and 07. Like, yeah, they definitely feel
like a team. They really do. And this one, I
love that they truly felt like a family. Like
they were a family first and a team second. And
the fact that this is Marvel's first family,
that just put a huge smile on my face. Knocked
it out of the park when it comes to the writing
for these four. Just remarkable. Yeah. It was
a very big separation between the previous iteration
of Human Torch, where he was just kind of a hot
shot. I think all he was contributing was piloting.
which he already had been for so it made sense
that he was more like uh he was trained in like
i don't know if he specialized in in like in
language or anything like that i mean he was
able to create like an algorithm without like
i think that just showed how smart he was like
where reed is very like mathematically inclined
and like is able to process most things like
johnny's still able to do it with some effort
to like create an algorithm that translates alien
language yeah so i thought that was like a very
good use of his character um and then sue kind
of the same deal like she was able to like properly
like um there was there was a lot of scientific
knowledge between the four of them that felt
like because it makes sense like why he chose
the team that he did like he he explained like
why he he's like oh i chose my wife because of
this i chose ben because of this i chose and
i'm just lucky that they all happen to be like
my family yeah and i'm like that's that's perfect
like that's a really good explanation versus
like where sue in the in the first was just like
was victor von doom's assistant But like it was
really only Reed and Ben that made sense for
them to go up. Like it made sense that like that
Reed was there. It made sense that Ben was there.
And same thing with Victor, because Victor was
like was funding the whole thing. Yeah. And then.
Yeah. And then Sue was just more or less a glorified
assistant. So it's like didn't quite make sense
with her. And then Johnny was just copilot. Yep.
Like it was just. And, like, hot shot co -pilot.
And he was, like, no scientific inclination whatsoever.
But I love that that's what they included in
this. So, really well done. Really liked Reed's
dialogue. I loved when he was talking to Franklin.
And he's just like, listen, if you're a cosmic
god, like, now would be the time to tell me.
Oh, dude. Yeah, I freaking love that scene. Especially
the line where he's just like, I don't know who
you are, and I'm going to wait for you to tell
me who you are. Loves that. Yeah. Dude, I told
Brielle when I got home, I was just like, they
very obviously altered that baby's eyes to look
as blue as they did. I'm like, God damn it, we
should have sent Levi. like are you kidding me
like that would be sick oh that would be so cool
i freaking levi playing franklin richards oh
that'd been awesome oh my gosh dude especially
with his eyes like he has such gorgeous eyes
yeah for those of you that don't know uh my son
has the deepest Blue eyes that you have ever
seen. Like it is ridiculous how blue his eyes
are like. Like this kid, like in the in this
movie, his eyes were altered or actually it was
her. It was a girl. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. So this
this child's eyes were altered to be like a really
like light blue. They could have done that with
my son. No problem whatsoever and had very little
color correction to do. I was like, damn, I need
to be better at signing that kid up for shit.
And the kid's freaking quick as a whip. He could
have figured if you wanted him to do tricks or
whatnot, he could freaking do them. Hell yeah.
Like, this kid, dude, is a freaking maniac. But
that's besides the point. Anyway. Yeah, I think.
I think that the movie was really well written.
I was just saying, I really liked the way that
Silver Surfer. Like, I love the dialogue that
she had. Oh yeah. So, so good. Yeah. Where she,
she was like, it was a blessing of her people
to like die with your own. Like, I love that.
Like the way that she talks. So interesting.
Yeah. The way she spoke was like, just so poetic.
Yeah. And I love that, especially in a silver
surfer. Yeah. I don't know about you, but I loved
Sue's monologue that she delivers to all the
onlookers that literally want them to sacrifice
their baby to brother. Like not saying I don't
understand where they're coming from. Yeah, but
legit like like I understand baby over planet
Earth like. Yeah, like listen, the dad in me.
Was like, you freaking assholes. Like, you don't
think they do enough for you? Seriously. Sure
enough. And then, like, the human part of me
that's just like, yeah, dude, F that baby. But,
yeah, like, I got to say, Earth 828 seems like
an absolute dream of a planet to live on. Dude,
for real. Like, seriously, you got the Fantastic
Four looking out for you. Everyone's so cooperative.
Yeah. That's what got me. Like, you see all the
lights on planet Earth turn off when Reed says
that everyone needs to conserve energy. I'm just
like, God damn, not this Earth. Hell no. You're
lucky if you get half. Dude, you're lucky if
you get a freaking quarter. yeah true so true
but yeah like like is it 828 it's like a freaking
utopia of a planet and oh so good but yeah writing
i would say is a little bit higher i'm putting
that at like an 88 uh i actually hit the 90s
uh with writing um it was just Really good. I
really enjoyed the writing here. So I would actually
be at a 91 for writing noise. All right, going
on over to acting. We got Pedro Pascal, who plays
a Reed Richards, a .k .a. Mr. Fantastic. We got
Vanessa Kirby, who plays Sue Storm, a .k .a.
The Invisible Woman. We got Joseph Quinn, who
plays Johnny Storm, a .k .a. the Human Torch.
We got Ebon Moss -Bakrak. Bakrak? However you
say that. So it's actually... So it's Ebon. Ebon?
Yeah. I thought it was Ebon, too, but yeah, it's
Ebon. Ebon Moss -Bakrak. I'm assuming that's
how you say it. Yeah, I think so. Dude, he looks
so mad in this picture. i i should have i should
have picked a different one my bad like total
side note like totally unrelated side note uh
he plays ben grim aka the thing and we got julia
garner who plays shala ball aka the silver surfer
we got ralph inison or innocent i'll say inison
who plays Galactus. Then we got Paul Walter Hauser,
who plays Harvey Elder, a .k .a. Mole Man. All
right, what's your top three looking like? No,
this is Fantastic Four. We'll do top four. Oh,
yeah? Number one, I think I got a gift to Vanessa
Kirby, Sue Storm. I thought she was amazing.
I think until we got to the halfway point, I'm
just like, you know what? I'm going to be biased,
but I'm going to say it's Pedro Pascal. It's
Mr. Fantastic because he did a fantastic job.
But just that monologue from Vanessa Kirby, the
ending with her for what she literally sacrificed
herself to send Galactus. Packing back to where
he came from. Yeah, she was amazing as Sue Storm.
She was incredible. Number two, I would get to
Pedro Pascal. He was fantastic as Mr. Fantastic.
No pun intended. Pun slightly intended. Yeah,
okay, there we go. It's unfortunate that we didn't
get to fully see the extent of what Mr. Fantastic
can do with his stretching abilities, but when
it comes to Reed Richards and his intellect and
everything about him, I think Pedro Pascal nailed
it. He was fantastic, goddammit, as Reed Richards.
I'm starting to feel you're doing it on purpose.
Maybe a little bit. When they first announced
this, this cast, you know, everyone was like,
so bash, they were bashing that Pedro Pascal
was cast as Reed Richards. I was, I was on his
side from day one. I thought it was good casting
and he proved me right. He was great in the role.
So yeah. Number three, I would give to Joseph
Quinn. He was great as the Human Torch. He was
great as Johnny Storm. Like you said, I loved
his interaction with Shallow Ball. Did I say
it right? I think so. Okay. Yeah, he was great.
His interaction with her was great. Yeah, just
so, so good. And then number four. Um, I would
give to Yvonne, uh, Eben, damn it. Sorry. Eben.
Uh, I'm not, I'm not even going to say his last
name cause I know I'm going to butcher it. Um,
he was, he was great. He was a great choice for
Ben Grimm. I wish we could have seen more from
him. Um, because I thought he was great in the
role. Um, yeah, just like, you know, what they
did with the thing was really, really good, but
I think I could have. I would have welcomed more
because he was so good as the thing I was wanting
more. But what we got was great. And I feel like
there was a lot that I maybe it's just me, but
I feel like there was stuff left on the cutting
room floor when it came to his relationship with
that one lady with him, like trying to like.
that felt super forced yeah i there had to have
been a couple more interactions or like something
because yeah i agree it it felt forced and so
like when it comes to like anything i did not
like about the thing storyline that's the that's
definitely the one that stands out um but like
what dude i think they should have given it like
they should have thrown alicia in there like
so that that's his in the comics that's his his
girlfriend or his like who he ends up like his
his significant other like it's alicia and she's
like typically portrayed as like a blind woman
and i feel like they should have included her
in this affair like that that would have been
really nice yeah it should have been like i would
have liked to see instead of her be sitting there
cooking in the kitchen like it would have been
nice if like if ben and alicia were doing it
together that would have been really cute yeah
and then like yeah then it just kind of shows
that johnny's like just shows off that johnny's
like the the bachelor of the group yeah because
they they put a lot like i think like you even
hear sue say like and ladies he's single yeah
like not i'm like all right so you're gonna give
like johnny a big old shout out that he's single
but you're not gonna give give old ben some yeah
what the hell sue yeah that's where i was kind
of expected i'm like oh is he gonna meet like
meet alicia or is alicia gonna be that like in
like i was hoping for alicia yeah no that's that's
fair yeah but um Yeah, my top four actually looks
a little bit different. Okay. My number one,
same as you, I'm giving it to Vanessa Kirby.
Okay. My number two is actually going to go to
Joseph Quinn. Okay. Fair. Then my number three
is probably going to go to... Oh, shit. What
was her name? Julia Gardner. Okay. I love her,
her iteration of the silver surfer. I thought
she, she had like, she was talking about like
the, like in an interview, she was talking about
the voice that she was going for where she wanted
it to be like very poetic and comforting, but
also a little haunting. And I'm like, I think
you nailed it. yeah seriously and she was like
yeah i know she was like harping on herself a
lot and i'm like like damn like she's just i
don't know if i did it and i'm like you absolutely
did it girl yeah knocked it out of the park yeah
um yeah so i'm giving her my number three and
then my number four i'm probably gonna give to
ralph annison who played galactus wow kicking
out wow only two of the four i know major four
but like and and if i had like if we were going
down further my number five would be eban and
then my six would be pedro i i liked pedro a
lot but i felt like he very much got out shown
yeah no that's fair I didn't feel it, but I get
where you're coming from. Galactus was so freaking
cool, dude. Anytime he talked, that man, freaking
Ralph Innocent, his voice is something else.
I would put him on the same level of James Spader
when it comes to how intimidating their voices
are. 100 % dude. Holy crap. Like I, when he started
talking, I'm just like, I thought they were going
to do a little bit more alteration to his voice.
I don't think they did shit to his voice. Yeah.
Other than give it some like reverb. Yeah. But
damn, like his voice is crazy. But yeah, loved
him, loved him as Galactus. But yeah, the storms
are the ones that took this movie for me. Completely
fair. Where are you sitting with your acting
score? I think everyone did a really solid job.
Don't really have any complaints with anybody.
With a Fantastic Four movie, you got to make
sure that you get the four correct. And I feel
they absolutely nailed it. with these four like
you felt the connection you felt the family you
i i was just so happy with with the casting uh
for this movie um so i think i am just going
to be slightly above my writing at a 92. i am
probably going to be a couple points below you
but i'm a couple points higher than my writing
as well so i'm sitting at a 90. okay dude that
video that you sent me of their interview where
joseph's making faces at ebon is freaking hilarious
i love that like when when i almost said read
when pedro kind of looks over and sees him and
just kind of cracks a grin and then like while
vanessa's having like or trying to answer a really
like good question and then she like starts scolding
them and then pedro's just sitting there like
kind of like laughing i'm like like oh mom and
dad are mad did you see the other one that i
sent you yes okay yeah for dude eban i wish he
could showcase that humor more in the movie because
oh my god when they're just like uh joseph quinn
was just like yeah like freaking like on the
thigh would be like the worst spot and uh he's
like yeah uh like if you had it like on uh both
thighs and i forget what the interviewer says
that evan's just like yeah you want to see oh
my god dude he you want to talk about an underrated
actor like evan is a crazy underrated oh yeah
100 have you watched the bear I've seen some
stuff with him in it, and yeah, freaking amazing.
Yeah, next level. All right, moving on over to
character development. Very character -driven
story. Yes, and I loved it for that. Oh, yeah.
Especially with this being the Fantastic Four's
first introduction into the MCU. I love that.
I feel for the most part, all four of them got
a moment to shine. Like you pointed out, some
more than others. Some were overshown by another.
But I feel for the most part, all four of them
got a really good chance to showcase their character,
why they're there. Why they deserve to be a part
of the Fantastic Four, I guess. Yeah. I think
the main focus through this was the relationship
between Reed and Sue. Yes. Yeah, then it was
probably like Sue and Johnny. Yeah. I feel bad.
The thing didn't really get. I wish that the
thing got more to do. Like I said, I enjoyed
what we got with the thing, but like I feel they
could have done differently with. Yeah, which
sucks because Evan was such a great choice. So
I hope that they they give him more to do in
the future. Dude, I wish that he like was like,
I wish that they didn't make him so hesitant
about using that. It's clobbering time. I actually
liked that. I thought it worked. It was funny
for sure, but it also kind of like built up the
scene where he finally did say it a little too
much. Yeah. Because I think instead, like, I
don't know. Like, I liked it in the original,
like how often it was used. Yeah. And. Yeah.
I think him just like not wanting to say it,
which is kind of like, again, built it up. And
then when he's like yelling, you're like, it's
clobbering time. Like it was, it was just like,
ah, that's not how you say it though. I'll tell
you what I'm shocked by. Johnny did not say flame
on from what I'm didn't. Yeah. Not once did Johnny
storm safe, safe flame on as he was turning into
the human torch. What a load of horse shit. How
do you not include that iconic line? He, I mean,
he did say it. He just never said it to turn
on his powers. Fair. Like he did say, like, like,
I think, I think he did say the words like, Oh,
like I think Reed was the one that said it about
his suit. And he's just like, Hey, you're only
have 10 minutes of oxygen. If you're, if you
got your flame on. for yeah i think that that's
how they like referred to it and then obviously
he had his little toy the like and then uh what
is it that that ben said he grabbed it and he's
like flame off yeah oh man i always loved their
their banter uh ben and johnny's and freaking
it was great in this version too yeah my my favorite
though have to be has to be between michael chiklis
and and chris evans yes that was freaking yeah
what he like freaking like is showing uh him
the toy and it says it's clobbering time it's
it's catchy right yeah and then he just smashes
it oh man that was a prototype Oh, man. Johnny
and Ben are my favorite, dude. I wish we got
more with them. I do, too. I did very much enjoy
the conversation that they were having about
who should go and talk to Sue. Yeah. Didn't she
call them pussies? I think so. They appear out
of nowhere. They both were like, ah! Oh, so good.
So good. Like you said, this felt very like it
felt like a family a lot more than I feel the
the original or the 2005 one did. Like that one
felt more like a team by circumstance. Yeah.
And it kind of grew to be more family oriented,
like in Rise of the Silver Surfer. But I think
this one nailed the family dynamic like perfectly
well. Agreed. And then I love the the fights
that Sue and Reed had about like how Reed was
always saying, like, it's my job to think about
the most awful thing. And she's like, no, it's
not. It's your job to be a father. And like that.
And I'm like, dude, because I'm like, I'm kind
of with him on like. yeah like i have to think
of the most awful thing that can happen to avoid
it from happening yeah and so with him being
like immediately like like turning it just like
well we need to draw galactus here or to this
location how do we do that the way that he's
just um i i i'm not sure and Yeah. That's too
immediately. Like, no, you know, you know, and
he's just like, no, we can think of a different
way. And then she's like, there is no different
way. And then invisible. Like, yeah, there's
no way to pitch using your child as bait. No.
So I was like, Oh, like not, not the best call
read, but I, I, I love that. He like that character.
of him was consistent throughout where that was
always something like a sore spot for between
him and Susan yeah so man I'm probably I'm probably
going to be like an 87 with this one I thought
this the the conflicts between characters was
really well done I don't think there was any
one arc that just blew me away. No, that's completely
fair. I think I'm just going to be one point
higher than you at an 88. Yeah, I agree. No conflicts
really just blew it out of the water, but just
what really pushes it, it doesn't push it into
the 90s, but what pushes it so close to the high
80s is just how good they did at establishing
these four, why they work together so well, why
they're a family. um why they are the fantastic
four so loved it they did such a good job with
that yeah moving on over to effects the biggest
okay i don't know about you this the you know
they said like oh every scene the the the baby
that played franklin he was there i'm shit yeah
yeah i agree every scene that the thing was holding
a bit um franklin oh my god the cgi looks so
bad it was rough yeah and i i like the during
those scenes i'm just like really you couldn't
have had johnny holding him like what would have
been wrong if uncle johnny was holding him like
it would like i don't see why ben needed to be
holding franklin but here's the problem This
is what I think they were doing, because a lot
of the like just from a lot of the behind the
scenes pictures I've seen, it was someone in
like a full suit. Right. OK, so here's where
I think that they went wrong. I think they tried
to like doing those scenes where he was holding
a baby in like a full thing outfit. And so he
had to hold a fake baby and they needed to make
that baby look real. this is where they went
wrong they should have had a real baby and just
done a fake thing hand yeah that that would have
been hardly noticeable if at all and that would
have looked so much better than what we got yeah
because yeah do that seem when they're when they're
listening to read plan out what they're going
to do with galactus like yeah freaking like whenever
like it would cut to the thing holding franklin
i'm like oh my god this looks so bad dude this
simultaneously had some of the best and the worst
yeah it is it it did which sucks i know i am
going to say something that i feel might be a
bit controversial the thing His proportions were
not consistent whatsoever. There were times that
he looked a lot bigger than everybody else. And
there were times that he looked slightly bigger
than everybody else. And I'm thinking specifically
when he was in, like when he went into the church,
they, he looked rectangular. Like his whole build
was like, was rectangular. And he was just like
very, like, it was almost like no neck, just
stocky built, like kind of like, I'm trying to
like get a good angle, but yeah, just like very,
like very stocky. Like, and he was almost like
hunched over, like, like no neck. And I think
if they would have given him some, like a little
bit, obviously you can keep the broad shoulders,
but give him a bit of a neck. And just like have
him be a little bit taller than everybody else.
He's supposed to be like close to the size of
the Hulk. Yeah. And he was significantly smaller
than the Hulk. True. Yeah. And I, I'm going to
be very upset if the, if the thing and the Hulk
interact at all. And if they try to make the
thing somewhat the same sizes as Hulk, or if
they try to shrink Hulk down. To be the same
size as the thing. I'm going to be... I cannot
express how badly I don't want Mark Ruffalo to
be in that movie, dude. Oh, shit. Yeah, but...
So I had very big issues with that. Oh, man.
Also, hate me if you won. Johnny's flames looked
like shit. I thought they looked fine. Dude,
they look not good. They literally looked like...
It looked like it was just basic flames just
kind of like put on his body. It's like they
didn't really... It didn't look like they were
coming from him. Like that they were originating
from... Like when he like turned the flames on
after the power had gone off and like in the
lab and everything, I was like, that looks fake
as shit. It wasn't that noticeable to me for
some reason. Oh, man. Yeah, I. I was not impressed
with it. Sue or Sue's powers looked awesome.
Yes, those look good. Reed's powers looked awesome
in motion. I think the the issue I have with
Reed's powers isn't necessarily how they looked.
It was how they were utilized. So I'm not going
to dock for anything there. On the other hand,
the silver surfer. Awesome. Oh, yeah, she looked
fit. Damn it. She looked great. Like, dude, when
she was like surfing the like the debris in the
black hole field. Oh, dude, that was so badass.
Oh, my gosh. So good. And then freaking Galactus,
dude. Dude, freaking when will you, like, first
see him, like, come into frame when they come
to talk to him? Freaking just chills. For real,
dude. Like, oh, my God. I panicked. I was like,
oh, God. I mean, we've talked about it before.
Nothing gets my blood pumping more than giant
things in dark spaces. Yeah. Like, I'm trying
to think. The sea beast? It's on Netflix. They
have a scene like that where like someone get
like lands in the water. And so he like dives
in the water to like save this little kid. And
so he like sails down and they sees this kid
just looking down and he's like, what looks down
and you see this giant ass fricking face staring
back at you. And then I was, I was like, Oh,
not liking that. And then he like goes backward
and disappears in the darkness. I'm like that.
Yeah. like i love i i like i have like a visceral
reaction to scenes like that like there was that
in the sea beast um i'm thinking anything in
like godzilla when it came to like mothra or
anything that happens like where it's like a
big like super far away but you see this giant
creature in the sky like stranger things the
freaking like um whatever you call it the night
walker thing yeah some something i don't know
what you call it but yeah that freaking thing
like scared the shit out of me anything that
like you see out in clouds that are that's somewhat
clouded and then comes into view or gets really
close to you scares the ever -living bit jesus
out of me like this is probably why i could never
like scuba dive and like come face to face with
a whale i would probably piss my pants oh shit
but yeah like seeing galactus come into view
terrifying seriously and then but i loved watching
him walk through the city oh yeah dude that was
so good yeah have you seen the behind the scenes
pictures of the of him i haven't brother let
me see if i can find one because i've been getting
a lot of them Let me see. I'm going to go on
Instagram real quick because I get nothing but
freaking Fantastic Four shit now. Hell yeah.
Really? This is going to be the time that you're
freaking not showing me what I want to see? That's
how it always goes. I know. Freaking bitches.
God damn it. she can't freaking get over that
scene where he's just like inch like covering
the sun i'm just gonna search galactus because
screw that galactus all right let's see yeah
dude have you seen that cosplayer that built
the giant galactus holy balls dude that looks
so awesome so this isn't it but this is like
a picture of the suit that the guy wore like
this is like the suit let me see if i can find
a picture of him in it okay damn that's cool
okay here it is yeah how freaking sick does that
look that yeah dude that is amazing That is the
craziest shit, dude. Gosh, I can't get over that
view of him sitting in his throne. Freaking love
that shit. Gosh, Galactus is so cool. But yeah,
it sucks, dude, because it's like where Galactus
and Silver Surfer... even like mr fantastic and
sue look so good it's like for me thing in in
human torch kind of like bump it down a bit yeah
no that's that's fair yeah and then yeah you
get the fake ass cgi baby yeah like every once
in a while like oh when he like was resurrecting
sue oh and like kind of crawling towards her
and then like kind of sits up and claps i'm like
that looked fake as shit and i'm like dude like
i could have gotten levi to do that no freaking
problem like this kid loves to perform like you
like you give him like hey clap like he'll do
it yeah like not freaking hard like he would
have loved that doing that shit dude And freaking
bragging rights for life. Yeah, true. But yeah,
anyway, I had a hard time sitting where I wanted
to be with effects. I think the thing, because
the thing overall, other than his proportions,
looked fine. Yeah. And it wasn't him that looked
bad. It was the baby. So my only issue with any
of their powers was the Human Torch. Yeah. So
I think with that, I'm probably going to be at
a 90. So that's that's docking for Human Torch
and CGI, baby. It does feel high, though. Yeah,
I was going to say, like, I'm I'm in the 80s
for because like, yeah, like there there is some
CGI that just kind of takes you out of it a little
bit. I'll let you dock it then. OK, so I'm I'm
going to stick with that. I'm going to give.
I think I'm going to give effects an 88. Yeah.
For the most part, the effects are super good.
They really are, but just like the human torch
didn't take me out of it. The thing may be a
little bit, but just like scenes with that baby,
like fricking that just fricking took me out
of almost the whole scene. So yeah, 88 for effects
for me. Yeah, that's fair. All right, next up
we got music. Michael, what is his, Michael Giacchino?
I don't know how to pronounce his last name.
Dude, from what I've heard, he's done other Marvel
MCU soundtracks. This guy freaking cooked with
this one. Like, especially that Fantastic Four
theme. Like, oh my God. Like, yeah. Wow. Super
good. I think that was enough to like overall,
like minus the, that score, I think I would be
sitting about a seven. So I think he was able
to bump me up to like an eight. I don't think
he was, he was able to bump me into like the
nine or 10 range. That is fair. And I will absolutely
agree with you on that one. Hell yeah. All right.
Next up we got costume. These were so good. They
were really freaking good. I love that they distinguished
Mr. Fantastics with his being all blue, whereas
Sue, Johnny, and Ben were blue with white. I
love that they distinguished him like that because
he's the leader of the Fantastic Four. So freaking
love that. All four of the costumes look fantastic.
I love that. Like in the original comics, the
four is just front and center on it. Unlike the,
in the 05 and 07 ones where it's on the camera,
if it's on the left or right shoulder, it's on
the left shoulder, the left shoulder. That's
still a great, I still love that design, but
the prominent four, just right in the, right
in the middle. I love that. I can't say enough
good about the suits. Galactus looked great.
His costume looked awesome. I love that they
went practical with it. I do too. Silver Surfer,
the design looked great. fantastic look just
like the comics and i love how everyone was just
saying oh they turned the silver surfer female
like wow what the hell i'm like pick up a freaking
comic book guys there are two silver surfers
come on yeah like like obviously that's not something
that like me and you knew offhand yeah fair but
like we weren't i think we i think we had the
same complaint like why the hell did they make
silver surfer and then we did some like research
into it, but like we didn't like, but we weren't
just like, Oh my God, what the hell? Mar Marvel
is, um, I don't want to, I was going to say Marvel's
becoming woke and, you know, shit like that.
And it's not the case. Just cool. Your jets guys
pick up a comic book. You would have known that
there are two, or you would have discovered that
there were two silver surfers. Yeah. like it
took like a minute of research yeah because like
it threw me off too i was just like uh like so
the people that freaking like that yeah so the
people that like stuck on that like oh my gosh
like that that's ridiculous like what the hell
disney what the hell marvel shut the hell up
yeah your opinion is invalid here but yeah she
looked great um i will say though i would have
almost preferred for her to have kind of the
the glossed over eyes like the the rise of the
silver surfer version where it wasn't like quite
i don't know like the pupils i think the pupils
are like were what was throwing me off about
her yeah like i think that they should have like
given her something like that wasn't quite pupils
but i mean outside of that it's It still looked
amazing. And then, yeah, Galactus. I can't get
over Galactus, dude. He was so good. He looks
so, so good. Yeah. And then, yeah, the fantastic
their their outfits were awesome. I I'm more
of a. Like, I would have preferred a like a more
uniform look between the team, but I do like
that they were able to kind of distinguish one
from the other. Yeah, like it was nice. I am
personally like if if the decision had been up
to me, which obviously wasn't, I would have been
more on team like uniform. Yeah, like everything
kind of be the same, but that's fair. Yeah, I'm
not like upset or anything that they didn't do
that. I think it worked out really well. I almost
would like if anything, I would have given. Mr.
Fantastic something. Well, I think the collar
should have at least been white. I would have
found a different way to distinguish that he
was the leader, but I think he just needed some
white on his uniform. All right, that's fair.
Yeah, like. Trying to remember where his gloves
even white. Yeah, they were. I'm pretty sure
they all had white gloves. OK, yeah, I'm just
looking. Right. no oh yeah like he had he had
white gloves white belt like the white logo yeah
i think i think it would have given him something
else that was that was white all right that's
fair like i don't know exactly what just because
i mean sue had like the full collar like i wonder
if if maybe it would just been like the turtleneck
like made that white but i don't know I probably
would have just done something else. I don't
know. Like, I don't know. What if, what if, what
if they would have done with, uh, with Reed,
like giving him the white collar and then had
like given Sue Johnny and Ben the, like the white
sleeve strike. Ooh. Okay. That could have worked.
Yeah, that way, like he does, like he still feels
a little bit like distinguished from the group
as as leader. But it's just like that. What still
it's just like when they're all together, I think
just the lack of color throws off the overall
vibe. Yeah, no, that's fair. But I'm just I'm
looking like like at the group, the. yeah i probably
would have just made it so it's like full sleeve
where like where's uh johnny's his kind of goes
almost all the way down to the glove yeah then
ben's kind of goes to the elbow so maybe like
suze would have kind of started to go like maybe
mid mid bicep and then yeah and then given read
like full collar because i think just it It just
messes with the uniformity. Yeah. I think there's
another way to distinguish. It's just that one
thing. Which I'm not going to dock for. It's
a super stupid gripe, but this is honestly probably
a 10 out of 10. I can totally give you that.
All right, last up, we got personal score. Who
do you want to go first? That's up to you. I
want to hear yours first, if you're cool with
that. Yeah, okay. This is... In terms of superhero
films this year, I personally believe that DC
wiped the floor with Marvel. I think Superman
was an amazing film. I think... thunderbolts
came in at a pretty close second and i think
this came in as a very obvious third and then
the fourth i would give to brave new world um
but this was this was a really good fantastic
four film like definitely one of the better i
believe that this is on par with rise of the
silver surfer because out of out of the the original
two that that is my favorite I, yeah, very much
enjoyed this film. I thought it was amazing.
Like I said, I felt like the first half, even
like I said, the first three quarters of this
film did amazingly at what they were trying to
do. They just dropped the ball at the last quarter.
And I think that's it just kind of soured my
feelings towards the movie. So I had like no
issues up to the point where Silver Surfer flies
away from Johnny. After like hearing all those
recordings of of distress signals and from transmissions.
Then like once it got to that point and then
like. It was fine once Galactus came. And I think
if they would have included Silver Surfer by
Galactus's side, I would have probably held this
in a little bit higher regard. It's just I think
the Silver Surfer kind of coming in at the last
moment, what really threw me off. And then it
just I felt like it just kind of messed with
the whole flow of the of the ending. So like
I said, it's a it's a minor. It's a real minor
gripe. I still very much enjoyed this. It is
one of... In terms of Fantastic Four films, this
is probably my new number two. I'd probably put
Rise of the Silver Surfer, First Steps, the first
Fantastic Four, the 96 version of Fantastic Four,
and then Fantastic Four Stick. That's fair. Yeah.
like dude honestly if i was being a real asshole
about it and i was going to include anything
that had the fantastic four in it i would throw
in the uh superhero movie and then fan force
kick or was it was it superhero movie or yeah
i'm pretty sure it was superhero movie yeah yeah
then than freaking fan foresting but oh man yeah
this is a very good film i am excited to see
what they bring to doomsday i think this has
a has brought me to oh we didn't even talk about
dr doom um just real quick his mask basic didn't
like didn't care for that i hope they upgrade
it but yeah i think this this sufficiently made
me relatively excited i think this could have
pumped my excitement up more so i think it didn't
succeed in that way um but i am very excited
for doomsday just to see where where things go
so with that i think i'm gonna be probably sitting
at like an 88 all right not bad um yeah no i
thought um I agree with a lot of what Caleb said.
The cast here was picked perfectly for these
four roles. This truly felt like the Fantastic
Four. They nailed the family aspect. Galactus
was amazing. Silver Surfer was amazing. I do
agree with Caleb. The third act could have been
better. It definitely could have. But I feel
for majority of this movie, I freaking just had
a huge smile on my face because it just felt
so nice seeing the Fantastic Four done so well.
And I would say I love the 05 and 07 ones. I
would say I actually prefer 05. I prefer the
first Fantastic Four compared to Silver Surfer.
I still love Silver Surfer. And so for how much
I love those movies, seeing... these four um
told even better that just made my inner child
hat my inner child smile it just made it so happy
um like i said like the first 10 minutes maybe
even 20 minutes i could just couldn't i just
could not stop smiling because it felt so nice
to see my favorite superhero team portrayed so
well and with such love and care um so yeah uh
i'm with caleb got me somewhat excited for doomsday
i i i still don't know what to think about that
movie because i've heard that they're they're
filming and they're still freaking writing it
like it the scripts oh my gosh yeah it's gonna
be a nightmare yeah um so dude but if but if
i'm just thinking about the fantastic four first
steps as a solo movie it felt like a phase one
movie and i loved it for that and yeah i I loved
the introduction to Marvel's first family into
the MCU. So personal score, I'm going to go a
93. I will, I will say like, I agree with Caleb
out of the superhero movies that we've gotten
this year. I think that I would agree with his
order. Superman number one, Thunderbolts number
two, but like barely by an inch because just.
The message for that movie and just how it deals
with depression and loneliness, it's just incredible,
especially in a superhero movie. But I also love
how the Fantastic Four handles the family aspect
and how much you should love your family and
what they do for you and all that stuff. And
so honestly, it's like a coin flip for me, but
I do think maybe Thunderbolts just barely edges
out the Fantastic Four. just a little bit um
and then there's i'm sorry bottom brave new world
um yeah but yeah yeah so 93 personal score fantastic
four first steps loved it and i can't wait to
see what they do with uh these four next and
i just hope that it's as good as this yeah fingers
crossed like i'm going to be very disappointed
if if marvel drops the ball on on doomsday same
here but all right since that wraps up this breakdown
going through these scores starting off with
story we are sitting at a very sturdy 88 riding
got a little bit of a bump sitting at an 89 .5
the acting is sitting at a 91 the character development
took a little bit of a dive not much um it's
actually our lowest category sitting at an 87
.5 okay the effects unfortunately are sitting
at an 89 the music is sitting at an 8 out of
10 the costumes are sitting at a 10 out of 10
and then our personal score averaged out to a
90 .5 so with that the final all bros letter
grade for fantastic four the first steps has
come out to a An A minus? Whoa. Okay. Okay. Wow.
Wasn't expecting that. I wasn't. I'll take it.
I'll absolutely take that. That is crazy. Wow.
Wow. I thought it would. Wow. I'm totally okay
with this. This makes me happy. Yeah. God damn,
dude. So our cutoff for an A minus is 90%. This
is sitting at a 90 .06%. Damn. Okay, brother.
This pisses me off. Something awful. So this
is our last A minus. So like the bottom of the
A minus, like right before you get into B plus.
This beat. Thunderbolts. Oh yeah, because Thunderbolts
was a B+. I remember this. Yeah. God damn it!
So, let's see. Thunderbolts beats Fantastic Four
in story. It beat it in writing. It beat it in
acting. It beat it in character development.
It was one point lower in effects. So it was
music and costumes that killed it because we
gave the music a six, costumes a nine, and then
our personal score was higher. Huh. God damn
it. I'm sorry, man. Damn. I am genuinely curious.
what would have happened had i or had i gone
with a seven for the for the music oh damn it
would have bumped it down a lot like how much
to an 89 .43 so hold on let me pull up a calculator
so 90 .06 minus 89 .43. So over a half a percent.
Damn. Shit. I'm not going to change it. I feel
like that'd just be a dick move. But that is
crazy. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah, it was the
music. That's what threw it over the top, was
the music. Wow. Okay. Wow. Shit. listen i mean
it's not bad it's like it's not not a horror
like let's see what the difference is 90 .06
minus 89 .13 percent like that's the difference
between they're basically the same movie yeah
okay that makes me feel better yeah All right,
so Fantastic Four, the first steps, is sitting
at a 90 .06%. So barely scraping the A - barrel
because we cut it off at 90. So, with that, that
means it is sitting below The Matrix. It is below
Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. It is below Soul.
It's below Us. And it is below 1917. And it is
sitting above Thunderbolts, The Avengers, Dawn
of the Planet of the Apes, Ghostbusters Frozen
Empire, and Aliens 1986. Okay, wow. Yeah. So
let's see where it sits in terms of Marvel. All
right. So it is now like the new ranking is now
Spider -Man No Way. So this is top to bottom.
So Spider -Man No Way Home, Guardians 3, Deadpool
and Wolverine, Avengers Endgame, Infinity War,
Wakanda Forever. Eternals, Guardians Volume 2,
Shang -Chi, Multiverse of Madness, then First
Steps, then Thunderbolts, then Avengers, Black
Widow, Far From Home, Black Panther. Oh, actually,
Avengers, Black Widow, Black Panther, Far From
Home, Captain Marvel, Homecoming. Age of Ultron,
Ragnarok, Quantumania, Marvel's Love and Thunder,
Brave New World, Ant -Man and the Wasp. Okay.
Wow. So, I mean, it has a decent home. I like
it. Yeah, I dig it too. As much as I do prefer
Thunderbolts, I do understand why this movie
scored higher. Yeah. And I am personally upset
by it, but... I am not, but that's just me. Like
I said, it's a coin flip between Thunderbolts
and Fantastic Four, so I'm happy with either
being on top. Yeah. Dude, funny enough, you actually
scored Thunderbolts higher than you did. Yeah.
You gave Thunderbolts a 94, you gave Fantastic
Four a 93. Honestly, it was the same with me.
I gave Thunderbolts a 92 and then this one an
88. It was close. I might have enjoyed Thunderbolts
slightly more, but I am perfectly fine with Fantastic
Four being slightly higher. I'm cool with it.
Yeah, same here. Unless you got anything else
you want to say about Fantastic Four First Steps.
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