What is up, bros? Welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I'm Caleb. And I'm Jonathan. And we are a couple
of bros on a mission to give you guys the most
detailed movie reviews out there with as little
bias as possible. This week on the podcast, we
are going to be getting straight into our breakdown
of Thunderbolts, because once again, we had a
week where we didn't watch shit. Yeah. Or at
least I haven't watched anything. No, did I have?
I don't know. Honestly, I mean, after watching
Thunderbolts, I watched Black Widow again because
I hadn't seen that in a while. So that's about
it. Yeah. I'm trying to think of what I've been
watching. I just finished The Righteous Gemstones.
How was that? I heard that was really good. Very
good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The finale is hilarious.
All right. Great show. if you want to check it
out what's it on again it's on max it is okay
cool yeah it's um it's danny mcbride so he has
a bunch of like hbo max like exclusive shows
like he has one like where he's a baseball player
uh called eastbound and down um i haven't watched
that one i like i said just finished righteous
gemstones He's also done another one called Vice
Principals, and that one's funny as hell, dude.
Okay. That one is so freaking funny. So it's
him and Walton Goggins, which you would know
the face. He played the ghoul in Fallout. He
was also the bad guy in Ant -Man and the Wasp.
Okay. Yeah. usually plays like kind of a bad
guy but he's so freaking funny dude like he is
hilarious like so they're they're like co -vice
principals and their principal like retires and
so they're trying like both of them are trying
to like get the the principal job and like surprise
surprise they ended the the district ends up
hiring like an outside person uh just like just
some woman Sorry, I hear a dog or something squealing
outside. But yeah, so they start trying to think
of ways to get her to quit or get fired. And
so they go to her house. But on the way there,
they fill her up full of meetings, give her a
shit ton of meetings. And so while she's stuck
in those meetings, they travel or start heading
to her house. They stop at a house, and Danny
McBride's character is just like, this is where
she lives? This is a piece of shit. And Walton
Goggins' character is like, this is my house.
And he's like, it's mid -century, you bitch.
And then he's like, just stay here. I need to
grab something. Gets out of the car, and then
he's like, it's a mid -century piece of shit
is what it is. Because they, like, hate each
other, but it's, like, mutual enemy. Yeah. And
then they end up driving to her house, like,
trashing the place while they're trying to find,
like, stuff. And then Walton Goggins' character
just, like, lights a curtain on fire. Oh, shit.
Yeah, and then Danny McBride's character is just
like, yeah, yeah, turns around. He's like, what
the choo -choo? And, yeah, it's a super funny
show, dude. Yeah. Yeah, but the way that he talks
to the students. So Danny McBride's character,
he's in charge of discipline with the students.
And so it's so funny because he cusses at the
students. Oh, no. And it's just like, I don't
know. It's just like, you think it's fun? You're
going to sit here and act like a bitch? Or just
call the students pieces of shit? like i think
he called like one like female student he's just
like god like you're such a whore damn yeah like
it's the funniest dude like it is it is so freaking
funny like i freaking love that show oh man yes
i've been watching that um what else i've been
watching oh i've been rewatch so i i i'm re -watching
daredevil and uh right now i'm on the defenders
season one okay so i'm gonna make it all through
like defenders then i'm gonna watch daredevil
season three and then i think i'm gonna get into
the daredevil born again nice which i'm super
pumped for i've luckily been able to avoid spoilers
on that oh good that's good it's unfortunate
it's not doing that well with the streaming numbers
Yeah, I wonder because I've been seeing it like
isn't. The Daredevil show been like on the top
list lately. Not like when it was on Netflix
or the new Disney plus one. No, not not the Disney
plus one like the Netflix show. I feel like I've
seen that on top 10 and. I think on Netflix's
chart, like, yeah, the original Daredevil has
been like charting because I guess, you know,
people getting excited for this new season. But
beyond the trailer, Grace Randolph, with her
movie math, she reports every week also the streaming
numbers of how shows and movies do there. And
I think it's Nielsen's top 10 chart. They'll
report streaming numbers. And I think it's reporting
daredevil born again. It's either on, it's like
third or fourth, maybe fifth week of what they're
reporting. It still hasn't hit the top 10, but
the, like the net cause. So they transferred
all of the Netflix shows over to Disney plus.
I don't think I saw like maybe on just like,
um, when she reported Netflix numbers, it might've
been there. Okay. Cause Is it still Netflix original
or no? That I don't know. I'll pull up my Netflix
right now. Maybe it's not. Yeah, okay. Wait.
Yeah, they took Daredevil off. I'm assuming they
took all those shows off. Yeah. Now they're strictly
just... disney plus shows um i don't know maybe
i missed maybe maybe they did showcase that daredevil
was uh hitting high numbers with uh people re
-watching those first couple seasons but since
daredevil born again is separate from that i
did see that unfortunately that still is not
trending for top 10 which sucks i mean because
i've heard it's a really good season i've heard
that too like and they have I think two more
seasons that were green lit. Yeah. That's what
I heard. Yeah. Or at least a second season. So
like, it seems that that's still going forward
despite low numbers. But that is unfortunate
because I thought people were freaking like hyped
for daredevil to be back, but it seems like no,
not a lot of people showed up for it. Yeah. I
think it's one of those things that like, i think
marvel might have announced it too early and
so it just lost a lot of hype because people
were pumped about it when they announced it but
they announced that shit back with like blade
yeah that's yeah didn't they um announce that
like at the comic -con like right after endgame
came out yeah i think it was like they they announced
it really really early but it was delayed a ton
because of covid and shit okay and then i think
it just kind of get kept getting pushed back
and pushed back and yeah so now i think what
i think their big problem was they lost the hype
that sucks and i think that's like a big issue
with how marvel handles things now is like they're
trying they're pushing for like so many years
in the future with like blade's never going to
get made with mahershala ali um who knows what
they're going to do with freaking uh black knight
from eternals like they push so much at comic
cons that they lose the excitement like i understand
put like they need to just limit it like just
announce what's already in the work yeah or what's
been greenlit and like somewhere past like the
like if it hasn't been completely 100 greenlit
and it's currently being worked on don't announce
it yeah like and then like i um spoiler alerts
for this um for this breakdown that we're about
to get into this is how these little post -credits
scenes should work getting you hyped for what's
coming up yeah not oh here's like like freaking
waving that like the the uh what's it called
the all -state commercial the i got you a dollar
yeah seriously so far away in the future that
we it's just like okay cool like just be hyping
the next movie that's coming that we already
know is coming don't be you know oh hey this
might happen in the next five years but it might
not we don't know Yeah, and that's what makes
sense. It's just like, hey, you go to Comic -Con
every year. You do D23 every year. Just announce
what's happening between this D23 and next D23.
You don't have to give us your five -year plan.
No, seriously, because when... in the time that
they announced Thunderbolts at Comic -Con to
when it actually started filming, like, cause
I think, yeah, like Florence Pugh posted a video
on her social media, like day one of filming.
I think it was like two to three years. It was
a pretty long gap. Yeah. Which I mean, with the,
the strike, I know that put a lot of stuff on
hold. Fair. So it's, it's almost like you can't,
you can't get too mad because of that. that gap
but still like yeah announcing something two
three years before it's even made is a little
ridiculous yeah like just keep your seat just
keep your projects under wraps like give us little
nuggets like give us behind the scenes stuff
of stuff that's currently being worked on that
we know about and then like give us those little
nuggets to kind of hold us over and then Come
D23 and now it's boom. Here's a big project.
Here's another big project. Here's another big
project. All within the span of what's happening
now and next D23 or next Comic -Con or whatever.
Give us the year. Maybe a year and a half depending
on what's greenlit and currently being worked
on. Give us that span of time and we'll be freaking
golden. That's what James Gunn is doing. He's
like, I'm not greenlighting shit unless the script's
already done and it's been properly greenlit.
Everything needs to be in place before I'm telling
you guys anything. And I'm like, mad respect.
Dude, it's insane how much the future of Warner
Brothers is on the shoulders of Superman. Straight
up, it's got me real worried. Dude, if it's not
successful, oh God. Yeah. I doubt that it's going
to bomb. I do, too. I just can't believe freaking
how crowded July is. Like, God damn. Yeah. Two
superhero movies and a Jurassic Park movie. Geez.
I think out of the three, I think Jurassic Park
is going to do the worst. I disagree. I think
Jurassic Park will actually do the best. Really?
I, yeah, dude, drastic. You know, I know not
everybody loved Jurassic world dominion, but
it made over a billion dollars. So there's still
a lot of love for this franchise and throw in
Scarlett Johansson and Jonathan Bailey. And I
don't know. I think that one's going to do well.
The one that I'm, I hate to say like out of the
three, I'm scared the most for fantastic four.
yeah like the fantastic four is really going
to be uh a nail biter yeah um oh dude i hope
it's good i the fantastic four can't get screwed
over again come on i know dude that if it gets
screwed over again i'm gonna say it that's gonna
straight up be a cursed franchise yeah no like
seriously like dude if it i feel if it like um
if the reviews aren't great if it fails at the
box office because like i know thunderbolts isn't
doing like tremendously at the box office but
the reviews are there like the reviews are amazing
so i don't think that they will change those
characters screen time in avengers doomsday but
a fantastic four is not only gets horrible reviews
and is not financially successful i wouldn't
be surprised if they diminished the fantastic
four's role a little bit in avengers doomsday
that they like maybe focus more on like the original
x -men or x -men in general rather than the fantastic
four that would make sense that would that would
really make sense as much as i hate to see that
i don't know They're going to pull this movie
off, dude. Dude, I don't either. There's too
much. Yeah. I've been thinking, even if you split
these guys up a little bit, that's still a shit
ton. If you split it into three and have three
separate but interconnected stories going together,
that's still a shit ton of people per team. because
like it was it was it was the same thing with
infinity war but they did a really good job balancing
that yeah like kind of going half and half yeah
but here you can't do half and half when you
have a billion people and especially that many
like characters coming back from i feel like
almost back from the dead yeah like like it's
like shang chi dude like him being in the in
that is it's we haven't seen him in forever.
Yeah. Would you say that they are just like Marvel's
like wiped their hands clean with the eternals?
Like, do you think that we'll ever see any of
those characters again? Who knows, dude? I hope
we do. I do. Yeah. Cause I feel we're, uh, two,
um, two people that very few, um, actually really
enjoyed that movie. Yeah. I actually recently
rewatched it and I, I still like enjoyed it.
Like, is it a little dark? For the overall MCU,
yeah, but it was its own thing. It was special.
There was something special about the Eternals
that I don't think very many people give it credit
for. Agreed. Before we go on a complete tangent
and start talking about Thunderbolts, let's say
we officially get into this. Let's do it. Do
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All righty. If you are new to our breakdown system,
we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final
all bros letter grade. The eight categories that
we will be scoring this week are story. writing,
acting, character development, effects, music,
costumes, and then we'll be given our own personal
score at the very end. All these numbers will
get magically added up and spit through our algorithm
and give us a litter grade to compare this movie
to others of a similar grade. So, without further
ado, if you have not seen Thunderbolts, Rose
is about to spoil the entire freaking movie for
you in our favorite segment that we like to call
Reading with Rose. All right. In Malaysia, Yelena
Belova destroys a laboratory on behalf of CIA
director Valentina Allegra de Fontaine to conceal
her involvement with the Ox Group's Sentry Superhuman
Project. As de Fontaine faces imminent impeachment
for her work with Ox. with the Ox Group, she
dispatches Yelena, John Walker, Ava Starr, and
Taskmaster to a covert Ox facility under the
pretense of a mission. Once there, the operatives
are pitted against one another in a deadly confrontation
where Ava kills Taskmaster before they unexpectedly
discover a mysterious man named Bob. Upon learning
that they were sent by DeFontaine to be incinerated
along with any evidence of her misconduct, they
manage to escape from the trap. DeFontaine learns
that the group has survived, including Bob, who
was presumed dead during the sentry trials. When
she arrives at the site, Bob creates a diversion
by drawing enemy fire, allowing Yelena, Walker,
and Ava to escape, only to sustain no injuries
despite being shot. Yeah, freaking like firing
squad shot, like goddamn. Dude, no joke. Bob
then uncontrollably ascends into the air before
passing out and crash landing back at the compound
where he is captured and transported to the former
Avengers Tower in New York City, now renamed
the Watchtower. DeFontaine intends to introduce
Bob to the press as a super -powered protector
akin to the Avengers, hoping the PR stunt will
avert her impeachment. Meanwhile, Alexei Shostakov,
who had overheard details of DeFontaine's plot
while working as a freelance chauffeur, rescues
Yelena, Walker, and Ava. Inspired by Yelena's
childhood soccer team, Shostakov refers to the
group as the Thunderbolts. The Thunderbolts are
pursued by DeFontaine's agents before they are
ultimately apprehended by Bucky Barnes, who intends
to have them testify in the impeachment proceedings.
Upon learning that Bob was a subject of one of
de Fontaine's top -seeker experiments, Barnes
joins forces with the group to head to New York
to... Wow. Sorry. Barnes joins forces with the
group to head to New York to infiltrate the Watchtower.
The Thunderbolts discover that DeFontaine has
turned Bob into an immensely powerful superhuman
known as the Sentry, who easily overpowers the
team and forces them to retreat. As the Sentry
develops a godlike delusion of superiority, he
turns on DeFontaine. However, her assistant,
Mel, incapacitates him while a failsafe Wow.
Incapacitates him with a fail -safe kill switch.
This triggers the emergence of the Sentry's destructive
alter ego, the Void, who begins engulfing New
York City in supernatural darkness, trapping
its citizens in pocket dimensions based on their
worst memories. Realizing the only way to stop
the Void is from within, Yelena enters the darkness
to reach Bob's consciousness. There, she faces
her haunted past as a black widow and finds Bob
hiding in a recreation of his childhood bedroom
where his father abused him. They are soon joined
by the other Thunderbolts, and together they
travel back to the memory of Bob's initial experimentation
in Malaysia where he volunteered for... where
he volunteered for the procedure, hoping to improve
himself after becoming an aimless drug addict.
The Thunderbolts confront the void, but are swiftly
overpowered. As the struggle threatens to fully
consume Bob, the team... Sorry, the team intervenes,
affirming their belief in him. Their solidarity
empowers Bob to regain control, overcoming the
void as light and normality returns to the city.
With the threat neutralized, the Thunderbolts
prepare to apprehend DeFontaine. However, she
manipulates public perception by staging a press
conference in which she rebrands them as the
New Avengers. The Thunderbolts reluctantly agree,
but Yelena threatens DeFontaine if she betrays
them again. In a post -credit scene, the New
Avengers and Bob discuss an ongoing problem in
outer space when they receive a distress signal
from an interdimensional spacecraft with a large
4 emblem. Hell yes. Oh, man. So good. This movie
was so good. We talked about this a little bit
before. Taskmaster was done. so dirty so dirty
we both just watching this in the movie when
all all of them are fighting with each other
and then taskmaster picks up her shield and just
starts or was it is it she picks up her shield
or pulls out her sword i can't remember uh i
think it's her shield her shield okay and she
starts walking towards walker because walker
is her uh mission and freaking ghost just appears
right in front of her and shoots her point blank
in the head like damn yeah she got played hard
yeah holy shit yeah everyone noticed in like
the when they did the doomsday cast announcement
that her name was not there like that actress
i didn't pick up on that well yeah because they
announced a billion people that's true and you
know i just thought maybe she was gonna come
this the second round because they did say that
this isn't the whole team that's insane yeah
but yeah like it's crazy but dude i loved this
i did it got a little heavy on the politics for
for a hot minute but i was personally okay with
that like didn't really bother me um but I don't
know about you. And, you know, I, I know I sent
this thing to Caleb and I'm, and I'm, and I kind
of regret sending it to him because I sent him
a, it was like the real of like the class, the
Avengers end game and credit scene. And I told
him, you know, for how Marvel has been recently,
I think I would have been okay with how. if this
was the end of the mcu because i wouldn't have
gotten hawkeye but i think i would have been
okay if this was the finale this was the last
thing that we got but you know now thinking back
at it and you know a lot of people i swear whenever
a new marvel movie comes out everyone's just
like oh marvel is back they're back baby they
are back they did it with guardians 3 they did
with spider -man far from home now they're doing
it with thunderbolts i don't know about you But
I'm in the group that I don't believe Marvel
ever left. Yeah, there have been misses, definitely.
But I don't think that Marvel has truly buried
themselves. They always pick themselves back
up after a misfire. And after I sent that video,
now thinking back to that, and after watching
Thunderbolts, I'm like, yeah i don't know what
the hell i was thinking i don't want well in
marvel's defense everything prior to endgame
was leading up to endgame like we knew that that's
what it was leading up to we knew that they were
dealing with the infinity stones in every in
every movie they dealt with the infinity stones
in some way shape or form like whether directly
or indirectly but i'm thinking like iron man
like the phase one was leading up to the avengers
bit like putting the team together yeah like
and then phase two was more expanding on the
universe a little bit like it's giving us a little
bit more in -depth look at the characters and
then phase three was everything that led up to
infinity war and endgame the issue came with
everything after endgame because endgame felt
so final yeah it like yeah it opened the door
for for some things but not very many like like
here's where well like where where i'm at with
that like it left the it didn't really open the
door for anything in regard to black widow other
than her getting like there was no future for
for black widow really so they had to jump into
the past to kind of like give her some backstory
which fine like whatever like you had to do it
but i'm thinking like all the og avengers like
they didn't leave them with anywhere to go like
hawkeye like we just like it didn't lead him
anywhere um definitely didn't lead hulk anywhere
yeah definitely didn't leave like no one had
like a path of where to go other than sam wilson
like sam wilson he's just like oh this feels
like someone else like he he was past the shield
and it's like all right sick like we get to see
him go and go on to become captain america which
that was the plan with the winter soldier but
no one else got that treatment So it's just like,
okay, where do we go from here? Like, Marvel
knew. Marvel knew they weren't done. Like, and
so just, like, acting or treating us like that
was the finale was dirty. Yeah. Like, I understand
that they wanted, like, the grand finale. Like,
oh, wow. Like, this is it. It's just, where do
you... where do you take us to next? Like we
know that there's more movies past end game.
I feel it's clear that they really wanted to
put a huge focus on the multiverse thing, but
unfortunately that was very much a hit and miss.
Yeah, absolutely. Like, I don't know, like very,
like everything after it was just felt like they
were taking a shot in the dark. Like, this is
how, like personally how I would have ended.
end game like now with with hindsight i would
have obviously like they didn't have like a cast
for some people but i would have shown hints
of different heroes yeah i like that yeah like
i would have hinted at the like at like the one
i'm trying to think of who like immediate like
shang chi like you could have kind of hinted
at shang chi you could have hinted at I don't
know. I think you could have done like a little
like tease for for Kate Bishop. Yeah. Like whoever
like immediately was going to be like touched
upon next, like you could have given them a little
something. So we're like, all right, that's where
that's going. That's like if you don't want to
announce the next big bad, like fine. But just
give us a guideline or a pathway of where these
heroes are going. And it's just don't jump around
from here to there. Because sometimes throwing
randoms in the mix, like the Eternals, is fine.
But it's just like Falcon and the Winter Soldier
should have led into something else. But it didn't.
It led into nothing. Yeah. Until Brave New World
came out. There was nothing between Falcon and
the Winter Soldier and Brave New World that even
kind of remotely... led you to believe that like
that sam wilson was involved like it just kind
of felt like okay like whatever i guess guess
he's done doing that yeah like this is the problem
with them like going so far out like here it
was perfect you gave us something there's a pathway
for them to um to kind of go down like with these
thunderbolts or new avengers if you want to do
that i think that's a dumb uh i i just hate that
it freaking got spoiled for you before you saw
the movie but i i had a feeling i know i had
a feeling that was the route that they were gonna
go but i'm just like dude just stick with thunderbolts
cooler name yeah but no it's like they had a
pathway and it's just like the end credit leads
into fantastic four it just sucks it yeah it
just sucks so that like um because you know this
is the final um movie in phase five right this
is yeah yeah this yeah this is the final movie
in phase five so it seems like they're not they
just finally got a game plan of where they want
to take this but we're already this late in the
game yeah i'm gonna look it up real quick like
what new marvel things are going to come out
okay so oh sorry no sorry so it's thunderbolts
then ironheart which is show fantastic four eyes
of wakanda marvel zombies wonder man all shows
and then it goes straight into doomsday damn
yeah okay So, it's seriously Fantastic Four than
Doomsday. So, Fantastic Four needs to freaking
set up what Doomsday is. Yeah. Like, hardcore.
Damn. We go basically a whole year without a
Marvel movie? Yeah. Looks like. Wow. It just,
like, I don't know how you feel. but like i feel
like yeah i would say that you know like marvel
never left marvel has always been there but it
just sucks that they've had so many misses recently
despite all these hits that like you sometimes
lose a little bit of hope in what you love so
much in the mcu um but you you want to keep holding
on to that hope that like okay you know like
we just had ant -man and the wasp quantum mania
yeah it wasn't great but then shortly after that
we get um trying to think what came after quantum
mania uh clearly clearly we're good with uh keeping
track of marvel movies okay listen there's like
a billion now that's true after i'm gonna be
honest after end game it's been hard Yeah. All
right. Let's see. Oh, wait. Is that chronological?
Okay. So after Ant -Man. Oh, wait. That was Ant
-Man and the Wasp. Quantumania. Wait a minute.
What the hell? Where is it in order? God damn
it. I got the chronological order. Was it Guardians
3? Yeah. Okay. So Quantumania. Yeah. So Quantumania
was the beginning of Phase 5. Oh, okay. So phase
four was Black Widow, Shang -Chi, Eternals, No
Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder,
then Wakanda Forever. So this is how I see it.
Black Widow, I think that was viewed as more
of a miss. Which I totally disagree. Yeah, but
to be fair, Black Widow fits better in phase
three. Oh yeah, 100%, considering it takes place
between Civil War and Infinity War. yeah so like
it i don't know the purist in me feels like phase
four is like excluding black widow and then it's
shang chi which shang chi i feel was hit oh yeah
i didn't have any issues with with that eternals
was i think ultimately a miss not like not personally
because i loved it yeah but same here i think
just how it was viewed it was a miss No Way Home,
hit. Oh, yeah. Multiverse of Madness, I think,
was a slight miss. Yeah. Then Love and Thunder,
total miss. Oh, yeah. Then Wakanda Forever, a
hit. Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah, and so it's like they
give you enough, like with Phase 4 at least,
they give you enough hits for the misses to kind
of be like, eh, but it's like every... every
miss that you have, like you're going to lose
people. Yeah. And so it's just like lower. And
then once quantum mania miss, then guardians
three absolute hit. Yep. Then we get marvels
miss. Yeah. Then we did like that one. Yeah.
Then Deadpool and Wolverine hit. Yep. Brave new
world. I would ultimately say that's a miss.
Yeah. And then thunderbolts. hit yep so it's
just like there where phase four it had like
like hits it was like slight miss hit like a
little like not quite a hit not quite a miss
like then like then miss and then then hit this
is it's like back and forth it's freaking ping
pong yeah so it's just like for every for every
miss there's a hit yeah and like it's like yeah
so it's like hey like yeah we got quantum mania
but then we got volume three and then we got
the marvels and then deadpool wolverine and then
brave new world and then thunderbolts yeah so
like yeah fantastic four needs to be a hit it
does so like like thinking on it like yeah I
would have been okay if Marvel ended with Avengers
Endgame for how amazing that finale was. I would
have been perfectly fine with it. Am I happy
that Marvel, the MCU, is still around? Absolutely.
But it does suck that in these phases, four and
five, and with six coming up, we'll see how it
is, we have had it split. It's been down the
middle. There have been plenty of hits, but there
have also been plenty of misses. But I'm the
kind of guy, and I'm sure Caleb is the exact
same way, that we don't believe Marvel ever left.
Yeah, there's been definitely some times that
we're just like, ooh, it's kind of hard to root
for you right now a little bit, Marvel. But we're
still going to stick around. We're not going
anywhere. And then when you have your next hit,
we'll be right there front and center. that's
how we've always been so yeah but i sometimes
we're also superhero fanboys that is true the
general public that aren't as into it are kind
of over the misses yeah so it just sucks that
like you know like you'll see like people like
with thunderbolts like oh marvel is so back and
then if fantastic four fails you'd be like oh
well looks like marvel's in the crapper again
like It sucks seeing those headlines. Fantastic
Four is really going to be set. It needs to hit
because it's setting the tone for Doomsday. If
you miss with Fantastic Four, you've lost a good
amount of hype for Doomsday. Yeah. With this
year, I was stoked for Thunderbolts. it might
be my favorite superhero movie of the year. We'll,
we'll see if we still got Superman. We still
got fantastic four, but out of all of these movies,
fantastic four is my most hyped superhero movie.
One, because the fantastic four have been my
favorite team since I was a kid. And two, the
fantastic four just fricking needs this win after
fricking fan force deck. For real though. Yeah.
And then gosh, I'm looking at the rest of fate,
like what they have for phase six. um i guess
after doomsday two months later we get spider
-man 4 which i guess has a title brand new day
yeah i've seen i saw a meme that someone posted
they're just like oh when they reveal it's spider
-man a brand new day people that have i guess
have read the brand new day comic i didn't know
that there was a spider -man comic name that
people are just like oh god like i guess shit
goes down in that comic uh let's look i yeah
i didn't look into it all right let's see uh
okay it's a storyline in the amazing spider -man
published in 2008 it's the aftermath of the status
quo altering one more day storyline uh let's
see publication okay so brand new day Spider
-Man has not been seen for 100 days due to the
implementation of the Superhuman Registration
Act. He's been residing at May's house as he
searches for... Well, he can't do that. Yeah.
We're going to be missing one important factor
in that storyline. Yep. He decides to visit the
Daily Bugle. Publication is in severe financial
troubles. J. Jonah Jameson suffers a heart attack.
Oh, shit. Robbie Robertson asked Peter to do
what he can to get Spider -Man pictures that
he believes would boost circulation, which convinces
Peter to return to web slinging. There's someone
who buys the bugle. He encounters a supervillain
menace. Harry might have returned, but Harry's
girlfriend provides an alibi. Okay, so what's
the story then? Hold on. let's just look up the
synopsis okay so after god damn it whatever could
you not freaking losers okay so after the events
of one more day peter parker's marriage to mary
jane has been erased spider -man's secret identity
has been forgotten by everybody including those
who knew about his identity before his public
unmasking such as mary jane daredevil the fantastic
four the avengers ant -man and so on okay so
wait is this for the movie no this is not the
movie it can't be the the fantastic four haven't
even been introduced yet yeah i know i know and
same with daredevil like daredevil hasn't even
met well that's not true well okay so the fantastic
four is really the only yeah okay so uh But if
it weren't for them, I would have believed that
this was the movie synopsis. Aunt May is alive
and well. Nope. Throw that out the window. OK,
so. Oh, this is the event. Wait. So one more
day is the events of. Oh, so all this stuff is
the events of one more day. So one more day is
what erases everyone's memory of him. Oh, his
identity. So it's like it's it's some people
recall that Spider -Man unmasked himself during
the events of Civil War. However, they do not
remember whose face it was in brand new day.
It's established that Mary Jane and Peter were
in a long term relationship. Things ended badly.
The relationship is all right at best. As far
as Peter remembers, he and Mary Jane did not
get married, but were a couple since the day
of like a failed wedding. Peter goes daily bugle
heart attacks due to stress. One point, Spider
-Man asked, do I know you? Mary Jane says we've
met in another life. Spider -Man is not aware
it is Mary Jane he's speaking to since she is
covering up her identity as her current boyfriend's
hell or as her current. boyfriends tell her to
do however in one moment i remember the deal
after okay it just seems like it's dealing with
the repercussions of what happens in one more
day which is when peter kind of gives up being
spider -man okay that's super vague yeah anyway
but yeah i forget what what point we were trying
to make but yeah brand new day tie art leads
into secret wars gotcha And then after that,
it's just a lot of to be announced for any Marvel
project. But yeah, like it seems like Marvel's
slowing down a bit because, I mean, we got Fantastic
Four in July. Then it's not until next May that
we get Doomsday. And then we get Spider -Man
in July of 26. So May, then two months later,
we get Spider -Man, and then a year later, we
get Secret Wars in 27. Okay. But anyway, getting
back to the movie we came here to talk about,
that tangent was super far off road. But yeah,
getting to this story, this was interesting as
hell. like just like like i said outside of the
the politics which kind of got like felt like
they went on a tad too long at least for my taste
um then it got into like the good where it's
like all the all of them are like the targets
for each other yeah and i love that like i was
like that was like freaking crafty yeah no seriously
yeah like each one was just like i'm not here
for you i'm here for them you're like finally
you know like elaine i love how objective i love
how objective focus they are yeah i don't give
a shit about you especially when taskmaster like
you looks at elaine and she's like i'm not here
for you like for how much freaking pass that
they have yeah like dude like that was so well
done and then yeah and then once ghost freaking
killed taskmaster john was just like all right
like i'm all free and clear oh man uh but yeah
like everything flowed like really well it was
like it was good like it got really really good
like when when they finally like escape and everything
and then they kind of like kind of have to refocus
as a group like this is what i loved most about
it is like it didn't take one moment of teaming
up for them to become a team. Like it took multiple
times of, of facing off together that like, I'm,
I haven't read any of the Thunderbolts comics.
And so you can't base this movie off that. Like
none of these characters are. Oh, really? Okay.
All right. Good to know. i mean but like the
thought of i'm sure a lot of people when they
announce like oh which characters are going to
be a part of this you're just like what like
i mean when they first announced i was like okay
like you know like this is like turning into
like marvel's like suicide squad i'm totally
in for this i love this um but i'm sure a lot
of other people were just like how the hell are
you going to make this work and they pulled this
shit off flawlessly i know for characters that
we really like with uh like pulling in ghost
Like that was a character that I don't think
many people cared about. Yeah. If I'm sure a
lot of people don't even remember her. Yeah.
And then. like other ones like john walker was
a good one to pull in because like i'm so glad
that he hated like i never hated him as much
as everybody else did like i've always honestly
liked the character of john walker like i really
like i really enjoyed him in falcon the northern
soldier but this movie just proves like how good
how good writing i mean i you know kind of jumping
the gun over here with writing but how good writing
can redeem a character oh yeah it's amazing he
was a poorly written character like he was no
he was he was one that i genuinely felt was just
like misunderstood dude same here like really
so the way that they handled his character in
this movie fantastic yeah like so well done and
oh sorry no i was just thinking and then like
the introduction of of bob is just so beautiful
dude easily my new favorite character i love
bob so much what's the actor's name that plays
him lewis pullman lewis pullman did you read
that apparently like he tried really hard to
get them to change the name from bob because
he had just barely played a character named bob
and top gun maverick yeah i'm glad that they
stuck with it because it's fantastic yeah oh
so good dude dude the freaking um you know like
At the beginning, you see Yelena talking to Alexi,
but the way that he shows up after they escape
the convoy and him just honking the horn, driving
his red Guardian limo and Yelena's face just
like, oh my God, are you freaking kidding me
right now? Dude, these people. Oh my gosh. You
know what? I'll say it. This team up might. have
beat the avengers for me like how they came together
as a team beats the avengers dude i think i'm
gonna have to agree i love these guys so much
like everything like that they were like like
everything about them just was amazing yeah like
this is one of the best not only team -up stories
but team -up movies i have ever seen yeah like
this was just fantastic it was so good and they
they what they did really well is that they focused
on yelena and yes like that was that was their
like the great thing and then obviously they
had their little side uh relationships kind of
going on um but it was perfect dude it was perfectly
executed like i like i'm sure everyone has loved
Yelena's character since black widow. Like everyone
fell in love with her right after that movie.
But the fact that she finally kind of like, you
know, like they do a good job on focusing on
all of the characters, like each character's
back or not backstory, each character story makes
sense. They get their moments to shine, everything
like that. But this is definitely more so Yelena's
movie. And what. Who she is as a character, where
she wants to go. And I loved that. Just especially
not only how this movie opens with how she's
talking, how, you know, she's lost. She doesn't
know what she is even doing here anymore. And
I was telling Caleb this, like kudos to Marvel
for doing a movie about mental health and just
knocking it out of the damn park. Cause Bravo,
like. absolutely amazing yeah i mean well you
couldn't have done that with a better character
like this is what's so good about marvel's characters
is that they are so like tragically flawed like
this is this is a storyline that i wish that
we could have gotten with like hulk because it
is like a multi -personality thing with century
like century in the comics like he does have
his century which is very like superman -esque
always doing the right thing but for everything
good that he does he has this alter ego of himself
the void that does bad yeah and so it's just
like the way that they turn that into like a
story of like depression was perfect brilliant
oh my god oh dude and they made him scary as
shit they did like dude when you first see him
just like flying up above you're like oh shit
yeah what did they do to bob yeah dude when he
like got completely encased in the shadows and
just opened his eyes and all you see like you
don't even see full eyes you just see like the
glint around like around the white i was like
oh god like so good this dude's a thing of nightmares
straight up and then dude i like i don't know
what it was the like what actually i know exactly
what it was everyone turning into shadows probably
the scariest thing i've ever seen in my life
dude like seriously like dude especially when
uh red guardian saves that one girl and then
she just turns into dart i dropped flipped i
was like oh my god yeah like oh yeah oh my oh
my god I lost my mind, dude. I was just like,
oh, chills. Yeah, I was freaking eating jerky.
Well, like with that scene and I inhaled it.
Oh, shit, dude. Like I was. Dude, it's insane
what the void did to these characters. Like when
John enters it for the first time and freaking
like when he comes back and they're just like,
Walker, you OK? And you see him look down at
the. whatever uh the big elevator shoot yeah
that they just climbed up and you see that he
like contemplates it for a minute and then he's
just like i'm fine like who well it looked like
he was taking steps towards it i don't think
he was contemplating like jumping or anything
but i think he was like already walking towards
it because of like what he saw with uh with center
or with the void and yeah that's true like i
mean i guess like i think he's just i think he
just looked down to be like oh shit and yeah
but he's like i guess like the void like put
that thought into his head before he came back
to his senses but just yeah like the the way
that he like like comes back and he's just like
i'm fine and like wow god damn yeah and then
freaking like uh the storyline that they do with
bucky um they how did you feel bucky's character
was handled in this one i felt he was handled
well like i think he like i thought that he was
going to be like a failed congressman i'm glad
that it was just him being like man screw this
shit and then yeah dude that's what i thought
too yeah so like i completely heard wrong but
i'm glad that i completely heard wrong because
the way that they took his uh character way better
with that so much better I like that there was
a character that I really liked was the assistant
to Valentina. Oh, Mel? Yeah, I loved Mel, and
I loved how she was on the fence from the get
-go. I liked that it wasn't like she was always
doing what Valentina wanted without question.
She was playing along and stuff, but she was
just not wanting to push the button. incinerate
them yeah like it felt good she's just because
it felt like something realistic like hey i listen
i need this job but i don't want to freaking
kill people over it yeah yeah and then like how
she was like always on the fence and got worried
when bucky approached her and she's just like
i like that she like the way that she asked like
okay who's asking me like senator barnes or the
winter soldier i'm like oh damn like you might
want to be careful throwing that name around
yeah seriously dad even felt that way when alexi
uh kept saying that freaking like um like when
they're in the the truck together and alexi is
just like so what what kind of uh super soldier
serum did you get he's just like i don't the
frick uh which one the regular one yeah oh but
like i loved his response to that oh hydra fancy
oh but like i'm curious i got the russian one
it got the job done i'm yeah but like what you
said with mel like um like how like oh you better
be careful when you use the winter soldier like
makes you wonder like for how many times alexi
said the winter soldier if that ever got under
bucky's skin yeah dude there was a lot of that
they did in this that like subverted my expectations
that like did it in a good way like i'm thinking
in that scene when they're in the truck and then
she's like all right what's the plan and then
he just comes breaking through the door they
come out start whooping ass and then valentine
is just like god like like i left the door open
for you guys just come up damn is it you like
alexi or yelena that says i love this plan uh
no it was it was alexi is alexi okay everyone
else is just like oh shit uh dude i freaking
love when they're in the elevator shaft and they
look up and yelena's just like so what none of
us fly we all just punch and shoot the freaking
love that dude fantastic gosh like this story
was so well told it was so good yeah it was it
was interesting like it had like those deep emotional
moments that you that you want like it touched
upon like it let the heroes kind of be humans
yep like that was like my favorite part of it
like yeah the action was all done and like really
really cool but it's just that like that everyone
got to be human for a minute was was good and
that they ended up winning the day because of
like basically winning the day with friendship
yeah like showcasing that you're not alone people
are here for you i loved that yeah like super
good i loved when they like met up with the rest
of the team And they're just like, oh, wait,
the shadows put you through your worst nightmares.
Like, are you guys okay? And Bucky's like, yeah,
my past is pretty great. Dude, poor Bucky. I
can't imagine what he went through. Yeah, when
he said that, I'm like, oh. Yeah, he's just like,
listen, I've been here a while. Like, you could
tell because you're just like, oh, goddamn, dude.
Yeah, you're like, oh, yeah. Like that's just
hitting you with all this. Yeah. That's just
like, I'm like, that's just all this shit that
you did as winter soldier. Just think of like,
that's not even counting the shit. Like Bucky's
ashamed of straight up. Like he's got all like,
not only does he have Bucky guilt, he's got winter
soldier guilt too. Yeah. And then everyone else
was like, yeah, I'm fine. Like Alexi was the
only one that seemed like he was like legitimately.
Okay. Yeah. It takes a lot to bring Alexi down,
it seems. Yeah. I don't think he regrets anything
that he did as a Guardian. Yeah. No, definitely.
So good, dude. I'm pretty high here. I'm sitting
at like 92 for story. I loved it that much. Yeah,
dude. You know what? I think I'm going to match
you there. Just fantastic. Oh, God. So great.
Yeah. And writing, it's getting a bump. is getting
a big bump i'm a like well okay first let's sorry
i'm getting ahead of myself here let's first
talk about writing um i feel you know going back
to the whole mental health um thing there is
so much good writing here that is directed towards
that because i love that um when they first uh
escape or no when they're planning to you know
get out of the the convoy or whatever Valentina's
headquarters are called, whatever, in the desert.
You know, Bob asks Yelena, like, oh, you know,
like, how do you handle it? Like, what do you
do when it comes to depression? She's like, you
know what? You just kind of have to bury it deep
down. That's all you can really do. You just
got to stuff it down in there. You just stuff
it down and do the best that you can, you know,
like do what. I'm like paraphrasing here, but
you know, I do what makes you happy. Like just
try to get through it. But then when we come
to the ending, she's in the void with Bob and
she comes back to that. And she's like, you know
what? I was wrong. You can't stuff it down. It
will keep creeping back up and up. But what can
help you is the people that are there for you.
That just. Just showcasing in this movie that,
please, it is okay to reach out for help. People
love you. They're here for you. And they want
to do whatever they can to pull you out of that
darkness. It's just so beautiful that I caught
myself tearing up a couple times in this movie.
And I was not expecting to freaking tear up in
Thunderbolts. But goddammit, did they do it.
Yeah. Well, what they did so well is that they
put Yelena and Bob on the same level. Like they
were both dealing with shit. Yeah. And then obviously
like to, I wouldn't say to a lesser extent, but
everyone else was also kind of dealing with their
own shit. Like John was dealing with the loss
of his, like his family, like his family leaving
him because of just how shitty of a person he
is. Yeah. And, but yeah, but, And then I'm also
thinking like the discussions, David Harbor got
some of the best fricking dialogue. Oh my God.
That scene when they're in New York between him
and Yelena. And he's just like, I know I wasn't
there. I didn't think that you'd want me to be
there after everything. And Yelena is just like,
I lost my sister again, but for the final time,
there's, there's no coming back from that. And
he's like, I'm sorry. I'm here now. no matter
what that means to you like i i want to finally
be here for you again and just that whole scene
and like when she's just like i'm what she said
like i'm scared dad or i i but like when she
calls him dad i'm like oh my god just the knife
to the heart for how amazing not only that scene
is but the acting from those two is just incredible
I love their discussion when they were in his
apartment. And she was talking like, what am
I here for? What's the point? And everything.
And he's just like, when were you happiest? Like,
are you fulfilled? And he's just like, and he
talks about what being a hero meant to him. He's
just like, it wasn't just the fame and the glory.
Like, it was being looked at like a god. i was
i was the hero like everyone like looked at me
like that and he says and there was no greater
joy for me like i would like i was out there
doing like serving my country and i was in the
limelight as a hero says there's no like how
he said there's no higher calling like your sister
knew that and i think that's what drew her to
being who she was and elena was just so like
opposed to that like i'm not a hero like and
i think at the end she finally like accepted
that yeah which was so good like i love that
and then like so you get those like deep emotional
like that was dialogue and then you get hit with
with the jokes the jokes dude top tier yeah dude
straight I know it was spoiled in the trailer,
but when Alexi's going off, when they're driving
in his limousine, and he's talking about how
this has the makings of great team that can be
on the Wheaties box, and Yelena's just like,
Alexi, have you slept? I'll sleep when I'm dead,
John. Well, I'd like not to die today, so maybe
somebody else should be driving. Yeah. Dude,
John had some of the best lines. ever like i
loved like when he when bucky came and was like
blowing up the convoy and everything and then
he's just like yo is that bucky and then he's
just like cheering he's like yeah and then he
like shoots the the magnet mine at the the cart
and he's like oh what the boom like blows up
and like i felt that oh what in my soul dude
yeah dude Dude, freaking the, I love it when
they're confronting Val and he's just like, we're
taking you in Val. Oh yeah. Coming from the junior
varsity captain America. And he pulls his gun
and Bucky's just like Walker. He's like justified,
completely justified. Straight up. Like the way
that I would be exactly him. yeah like i was
actually captain america you bitch seriously
dude like honestly for how many people make fun
of him like the vert like you know they call
him dime store captain america new uh junior
varsity captain america like yeah after being
referred to as like not captain america when
you actually were captain america yeah i freaking
get under my skin after a while yeah a little
bit I'm just like, you guys ruined my career
making me Captain America, dude. Straight up.
I freaking love that shit. And his dialogue with
Bob, dude. Bob was freaking awesome. I love how
he's laughing. He's just like, oh, so you're
just an asshole. Yeah, he's like, wait, you're
Captain America, but you're an asshole. And then
after the conversation between Bob and Yelena
about stuffing down your feelings, he's just
like, is therapy over? We got shit to do. Oh,
man. Dude, I was laughing my ass off when they
were up the elevator. I was laughing my ass off.
That was fantastic. Cucumber, cucumber, cucumber.
Oh, my gosh. When they're traveling rooms and...
they get to the room where like they're fighting
him in the chicken suit and they're just like
oh like bob what the hell and he's like i was
on meth dude forget alexi bob if you hit me one
more time oh man oh so freaking good dude so
good freaking like after um century beats the
shit out of them and they're exiting um the watchtower
and yelena's having that talk with all of them
and um and i wish they could have like when uh
john's just like oh can i talk now and yelena's
just like no everyone knows you're already a
piece of trash walker like you don't have to
say anything i really wish that she would have
said no walker we all know you're a piece of
shit like i would have preferred if she said
that and then piece of trash personally i feel
that would have been more personal um but freaking
when she uh calls uh I forget what she calls
Ghost, and then she's just like, bitch. And she's
like, my point exactly. Dude, Ghost was amazing,
too. I loved her. Yeah, Ava was fantastic. Dude,
you know what I'm so bummed out about? So I saw
this thing about, so from the writer of this
movie, or one of the writers. And what they were
going to originally do with Taskmaster. I was
so pissed. Oh, yeah. Wasn't it like she was still
going to keep like trying to kill Walker, even
though like they had made a truth that would
have been freaking hilarious. Yeah. And then
she was going to like connect with with Ghost
because like they were both like put through
like experiments as a child. So that was like
what they were going to bond over. And. I'm like,
yeah, put that on top of constantly attacking
Walker. I would have lost my mind, dude. Yeah,
that would be so fucking funny, especially like
with like, like just seeing how how John was
like acting. I was just like, God, like, I love
this. I love everything that's happening right
now. Like, I freaking loved him. Like, like,
I loved his his comment when they got down to
the. like the bottom floor and they're just like
how do we like face off against that he turned
my shield into a taco oh man yeah dude with that
whole taskmaster storyline we were done dirty
oh we were done so dirty dude i want to know
why they cut it yeah what the hell because it
doesn't it doesn't say lame yeah yeah apparently
it was going to take like the entire team to
pull taskmaster off of john dude god damn it
what the hell marvel yeah like this is what he
says he says they would they would be discussing
the plan of how to get out of the vault and she
just go after him again and they'd all have to
like pig pile on each other and pull her off
and be like no we know each other we had this
conversation before oh man great so good missed
opportunity but even that like even with that
like no one we could have gotten that like i
can't complain about what we did oh yeah i can't
either yeah like it sucks that Taskmaster was
the one to go. But the rest of the movie that
we got, fantastic. Yeah. Dude, and Yelena's a
freaking treat. Oh, she is. I love her. Yeah,
dude. Florence Pugh was one of the best things
to ever happen to the MCU. Easily, yeah. And
Scarlett Johansson is a big reason for that.
Yeah, I love how she was talking to the tied
-up guard. And she's just like, you're not even
listening. It's like you're focused on something
else. And he's like, yeah. Yeah. And then when
the scientist comes in and she does like this,
like what she did, like the whole high like thing,
I was like, ah, like that was fantastic. Yeah.
And then she's like, you look like someone that
can open that sensor. God, she's so scary. Oh,
bad. I love. her and then like i said love bob
too like he was so good like i like that he kind
of forgot everything that they had went through
and so when they got pulled into like basically
fell into uh valentina's trap of being announced
as the the new avengers and everything and he's
just sitting there like clapping for dude i love
the freaking when walker is just like good good
job in there bob he's just like or yeah he's
like um good job in there bob he's like thanks
walker what did i do what happened dude i i love
century So much. Yeah, dude. Like, especially
just watching him turn against foul. Like that
was really good, dude. Talk. This is like, like,
okay. Pausing. I'm given writing like a 90. I'm
given the 97. I was at 96. I talked, I talked
myself up. I'm so high with that. I'm at 96,
but fair. I can understand why you're at 97.
Yeah. getting into acting and just talking about
Lewis Pullman for a second, the way that he was
able to go back and forth between Bob and then
the century and then the void masterclass. Yeah.
Like when he, like what you just said, when he
turned on Val and he's just like, when she's
just like, no, you listen to me. And he's like,
why i'm like yeah like yeah i'm like val you
fuck up yeah like seriously like especially when
she tells him to go after them he's just like
why they're not a threat to me anymore you're
just like not wrong right yeah they weren't a
threat to you in the first place but you freaking
mopped the floor with them yeah like damn but
yeah oh my gosh dude like i hope this freaking
throws lewis pullman into like the stratosphere
for yeah he is so good such a phenomenal actor
like he like it's crazy like he plays that super
awkward goofy character so well and then he can
switch into like intimidating like so good yeah
like maybe that has something to do with like
how they designed the void and it was just like
blackness with eyes like but oh crazy anyway
getting into acting First up, we got Florence
Pugh, who played Yelena Belova. We have Sebastian
Stan, that played Bucky Barnes. We got Wyatt
Russell, who plays John Walker. We have Hannah
John Common, who plays Ava Starr, a .k .a. Ghost.
We got David Harbour, who plays Alexei Shostakov,
a .k .a. The Red Guardian. We got... Did I forget
to change the name? God damn it. You put Lenny
James playing Lewis Pullman. It's Lewis Pullman
playing Bob, a .k .a. the Century, a .k .a. the
Void. I'm fired for doing casting anymore. We
got Julia Louise Dreyfuss. Dude, you're so fired.
Why? It's Julia Louise Dreyfuss, not Julia Lou
Dreyfuss. Well, Google lied to me. Blame Google.
Google? Yeah, when I pull up the Thunderbolt...
Maybe I read it wrong. Man, dude, I freaking
destroyed this. Yeah, when I pull up the Thunderbolt's
cast, just Google. It's just Julia Lou Dreyfuss.
You sure about that? Well, now I'm not. Cause
mine says Julia Louise Dreyfus. Did you have
it small or something? Like I bring up Thunderbolts
cast and like the immediately, this is what pops
up on the top of the screen. It goes Florence
Pugh, Sebastian Stan, Julia Lou Dreyfus. And
then, okay. I'm not, okay. I'm not trusting Google
anymore. I'm just going to IMDB. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. Yep. IMDB from now on. Anyway, anyway,
Julia Louise Dreyfus plays. Yeah. She plays Valentina
Allegra de Fontaine. We got Geraldine Viswanathan.
I thought I changed it last minute. Yeah, I changed
it last minute, and you'd already ported it over.
My bad. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, she plays Mel.
Then we got Olga Kirilenko. who plays Antonia
Dreykov, who was Taskmaster. We got Wendell Pierce,
who plays Congressman Gary. And that's it. So
I don't think it's any secret who our number
one is. Oh, yeah. No, it's absolutely Florence
Pugh. Like 100%, right? Oh, yeah. 100%. Absolutely.
Number two. Damn, because all of them are so
good. That's what sucks. They are. It's very
hard to do this ranking. um just because like
i i loved him in falcon and the winter soldier
and i loved him even more here i probably give
two to wyatt russell john walker loved him he
is fantastic he's my number three all right fair
uh number three i would probably give to i butchered
the name i know um but uh good old bob i would
give uh to uh what's his name and lewis pullman
lewis pullman uh i would give number three to
him because like caleb said just seeing him go
from bob to century to void just incredible like
his acting was fantastic in this movie and i
loved his character it was fantastic yeah but
like it's like but like all the other thunderbolts
like they're so freaking close with all these
numbers because all of these actors were phenomenal
in their roles and i'm gonna be honest like when
it comes to like picking your favorites in casting
this is one of the hardest because all of everybody's
so damn good dude straight up like florence p
for me because uh lewis pullman's my number two
okay so like we had like Almost the same list.
Yeah, almost the same list. Nice. Yeah, like,
it's just, yeah, Florence Pugh was an obvious
number one. But, yeah, Lewis Pullman and Wyatt
Russell could easily be flip -flopped any day
of the week. Like, I completely understand your
ranking. And then after this, it is honestly
so hard. Like, it would be really freaking difficult
to. to rank these because like sebastian stan
freaking killed it um uh what's her face you
know you oh yeah um yeah hannah john common or
however you want to say her name like she freaking
killed it like everybody freaking destroyed their
roles yeah it was amazing like how well they
all play their characters Like, and, dude, and
Ghost? Oh, never mind. That's in costumes. Calm
down. Yeah, but, dude, I'm, like, thinking to,
like, how funny it was that everyone kind of
played off of Florence so well. Like, I'm thinking,
like, when they were in the back of the box truck
and they were basically giving John, like, basically
teasing John about his helmet. and being like
like oh yeah like what about your uh your your
mask or your your cover or whatever he's like
oh my helmet like yeah it's pretty it's pretty
sweet like you guys think it's cool and they're
like oh yeah we totally think it's cool like
you can tell that they're both like giving him
yeah don't say it's a hat yeah they say it's
a hat okay yeah and then freaking they say that
his gun's too long yeah no well no they don't
say it's too long they're just because he says
it like yeah i got this with uh with a long barrel
and he's like oh yeah it's very long oh yeah
that's what it is he's just like like the way
like i dude if there's anyone that i related
to most it was freaking john walker because the
like way he's like yeah when they called it a
hat and he's like it's uh it's actually a helmet
but yeah like it's it's pretty cool like trying
to underplay it but he's like so proud of his
suit oh man so good so good freaking love that
shit man it's so fantastic yeah but anyway where
are you sitting with uh with your acting grade
i think just everyone is like so so good um i
think i am gonna be one notch lower uh on my
than my writing so i think acting i'm gonna be
a 95. yeah i'm i'm still in the 90s i'm just
a touch lower uh than my story so i'm at 91.
like i didn't really have too many issues like
anything like it's it's i'm being real nitpicky
about any problems that i had because i enjoyed
the performances so much but yeah i don't know
there's just like little things it might have
been more extras than than anything okay that's
fair but i thought everyone pulled off their
roles amazing like i loved the like sebastian's
stand when he's reading through the the packet
and he's like sitting there like washing his
his arm and he's flipping through and he's just
like man this is This is such a long fricking
packet and just roasting it. And then he spills
a dip on it or whatever the hell he was eating.
You know what? I'm going to actually knock it
down one. Sorry. 94. Yeah. All right. Next up,
we got character development, which was on point.
Oh God. Yelena's care. Oh my God. Yeah, this
is how you do character development in a superhero
movie. Hell, just any movie. Straight up. They
did her so perfect, dude. It's just the way that
she starts off, very obviously in a depression
where her job just doesn't excite her anymore.
It's just very mundane, even though it's super
high action and everything. She views it as the
most mundane shit. Even the way that she goes
about just everything. The way that she stood
up on that roof and then just kind of dropped
forward instead of leaping. And then she drops
her parachute and just kind of circles around.
It was so been there, done that attitude. I still
can't believe... I don't know if you've seen
the behind the scenes, but Florence Pugh actually
did jump off the second highest building. Like
that was her. Yeah. That crazy. That is insane.
Like, okay. Was it the, the fricking long shot?
Like the, the, the, the shot where it was like,
she was like super far away or where it was far
away, like at the building. And then you just
see her, like her body like fallen. Like, was
that her? as far as i know everything was her
it wasn't her stunt double at all good lord dude
right i i heard her talking about that i didn't
realize that that like i thought it was just
the scene where she like falls forward like i
didn't realize it was like all of it i'm pretty
sure it was all of it yeah i loved like how she
talked about that she's just like yeah i didn't
really like tell anyone about it until like it
was the day of Because I didn't want anyone to
worry. I'm like, what? Like, you just expect
your family to go there and just, like, accept
that you're jumping off of the second tallest
building in the world? Yeah, I think it's in
the world. Yeah. Crazy. 100%. Ooh, man. Yeah.
Crazy. We were, like, one wire away from not.
having a florence pew anymore i think thank god
that didn't happen yeah but yeah like just seeing
her kind of struggling with her with her place
in the world just because you could tell she's
still like dealing with the the loss of her sister
she was dealing with not having any communication
with uh with alexi and then just trying to figure
out like her role in in the world and just like
how she was seeking out something that was a
bit more public. Like, I thought that was like,
like really interesting for her character too.
Like they, they took a lot of interesting directions
with, with her. They did. And then the way that
ties into Bob's story too, like, like so good.
Like the way that they, they built Bob up. Where
he was just someone that just happened to, like,
their experiments just happened to work on. But
they were picking people, like, at their lowest
lows. Like, he even said, he's just like, I thought,
bare minimum, like, I'd just get some good drugs.
Like, that's what I was going there for. And
it's just, like, Mel points it out. She's just
like, yeah, you give, like, you give Steve Rogers,
like. like you experiment on steve rogers he
becomes captain america like he was a good person
just became better like you give someone like
bob superpowers like the powers of a god like
what what does he do with those yeah like someone
that has struggled with like depression mental
health problems uh like all all that stuff like
what does that look like and it just it took
like a a super like obvious form like all like
The metaphorical like this situation is very
distinct, but it's just the way that they dealt
with it was so good. Yeah, like where he's. Yeah,
because like they were pushing him to like fight
it. And it's just like you're beating it like
you're taking that sadness and just beating it
down. He's like, that's not like and then she
realizes that's not what you have to do with
it. No, like you just accept that it's there
and basically like go on with your life. you
just got to do the best that you can yeah which
was so good yeah and i love that amazing yeah
and i love that moment where she just kind of
like especially after after that talk with alexi
in the street and she's just like like they look
at each other and then they just kind of have
that knowing glance and then like alexi like
pushes and gets her to like escape and then she
goes and like faces off like it was so good it
was so well done the way that they they pulled
all that off yep i'm i'm personally at the same
level as like my story i'm sitting at 92 with
character development i thought they did this
super well i think i'm just going to be a touch
higher than you at 93 fair enough i'm moving
on over to effects no real complaints i only
had one complaint um And it was mostly just CGI.
Maybe it might have been just me. But when they're
fighting Sentry in the Watchtower, when he's
throwing them all over the place and he picks
up Yelena, I don't know why, but her body looked
a little rubbery to me. That whole scene felt
a little rubbery. Yeah, okay. Just want to make
sure I'm not the only one. No, it's typical Marvel
stuff. You could tell that I felt like they were
rushing it a little bit. None of the effects
looked horrible. No. It fit the tone, and I like
that they didn't rely too heavily on any crazy
special effects. Yes, definitely. I mean, the
void stuff was pretty easy to do. Yeah. I feel
like just kind of blacking him out. um the effect
though when a person would disappear like the
black mark that would leave that nightmare fantastic
yeah that looked great yeah that looked amazing
um i'm trying to think of it oh ghost she had
her um her effect which was looked good yeah
yeah like i loved how subtle it was too it was
just kind of like a slight like fading out yeah
like i like that a lot um but yeah like my only
issue is just a lot of the uh gosh it wasn't
even that much not like we're really talking
about it's just that one scene yeah i might be
on the higher end with that yeah like yeah still
like it was still rubbery but i'm gonna dock
a little bit like i'm sitting at like an 88 like
i was thinking about going lower but with how
minimal like those special effects were yeah
it felt like they they tried to do very heavily
on like practical stuff definitely like there
wasn't anything like too crazy like in terms
of special effects like the only big thing was
century and void yeah that's true yeah you know
what i'm gonna match it there all right moving
out over to music what um What sucks about the
music. I mean, the music's good. Like it's fine.
You know, like it's a classic Marvel soundtrack.
But what sucks about the music at the end, at
the end credits, before the end credit scene
ever happens, it's already spoiled for you of
who's going to be in it. Because the last track
that they, they announced is, Oh, the fantastic
four main theme written by Michael G. I think
that's his name, but you're just like, i remember
looking at i'm like wait what what the hell what
and then that hasn't played yet yeah you're just
and then that plays you're just like like are
you freaking serious man come on you couldn't
throw that after yeah like did you really need
to include that like okay i guess you needed
to that that was the final song to play during
the credits but like There had to have been some
way around it to where you didn't have to straight
up say, oh, hey, here's the Fantastic Four's
main theme. Sorry to spoil the end credit scene
for you. Yeah, it definitely felt like, yeah,
like the second that showed, I was just like,
oh, OK, so I know exactly what this is going
to look like now. Yeah. And props to them for
not making it like a couple seconds. Like, I'm
glad that they kind of gave us an in -depth.
Yeah. Apparently it's one of it. I think actually
I heard it's the longest end credit scene for
the MCU. It deserved to be. And credit scenes
like this is how like this was perfect, dude.
Like this was perfect in terms of end credit
scenes. It was movie like the fancy credits,
goofy, like the goofball like credit scene. The
credits. Yeah, the credits. And then a serious
end credit scene. Don't freaking do us dirty
like you've done with a bunch of other movies.
Like freaking Captain Marvel. I got to think
of that one. Oh, yeah. Freaking Spider -Man.
Homecoming. Pull that shit. Don't make fun of
us for staying after the credits. Yeah, exactly.
Like, don't give us something stupid. Give us
something to look forward to for, like, the next
project. Like, that was perfect. Yep. But, yeah.
Like, also, don't spoil the goddamn end credit
scene with the titles or with the credits. Like,
you can freaking throw that shit after the fact,
but, I mean, come on. But, yeah. Soundtrack -wise,
it wasn't anything too special. It wasn't. I
mean. I was kind of shocked that the trailer
song that they used for a lot of the promotion
was, I mean, it was in the credits. It wasn't
in the actual movie, but I was shocked that they
actually used it. The nothing's going to stop
us now. I don't think that's the actual title
of the song, but yeah, this one's like, I mean,
even them throwing in the Avengers theme, I'm
sitting at like a six. Like it was, it was all
right. Yeah. I think I'm going to agree there.
I will say though, that once they're revealed
that they're the new Avengers, that whole, I,
that whole montage of like people being like,
like, Oh, are they the great saviors? Like, can
they really help us and fricking, you know, we
don't get political here, but the fact that they
threw in the, not my Avengers, I'm like, I know
what that's referring to. It's like you knew
what you were doing. Yeah. But that whole that
whole end credit scene, like with all those like
newspapers, headlines, I really loved that. That
was cool. That was a great like end credit. Like,
I love those. I love that. Like the remakes of
like great historical moments. Yeah. African.
Yeah. Them crossing like Washington crossing
the Delaware. But it was them. Yeah, that that
was great. yeah freaking love that shit dude
a lot of people uh or maybe not a lot of people
i saw but i saw someone post like it would have
been funny if uh for one of the magazines they
had uh them recreate that like um classic uh
shot of the original six in new york city when
they're assembled yeah that would be so cool
yeah that would be great oh yeah all right moving
on over to costumes These were pretty great.
They were so good. Yeah. Like, I'm trying to
think of any I had. Like, Yelena's was fine.
Like, it was tactical. The upgraded Ghost. Oh,
she looked awesome. So good. Yeah. John Walker's
looked good. Like, his looked like he had been
in, like, done multiple missions and, like, in
combat. Yep. Red Guardians 2 looked great. fantastic
oh so good oh century yeah oh my god dude freaking
i love how he's in um ava's just like something's
different about you you're blonde now he's like
yeah it wasn't my decision i i freaking love
that like valentina while they were talking about
that and he's She's just like, okay, I mean,
we could change the hair. And he's like, it's
not about the hair. And she's like, well, you
keep bringing up the hair. Like, I freaking love
that shit, dude. That was fantastic. Oh, man.
Yeah. Century's outfit, though, from, like, they,
like, such a huge, like, the way that they adapted
that from, like, what he, like, normally looks
like is damn near perfect. like he's got the
that that superhero -esque look like he was like
it's perfect like i can't like i have zero complaints
with how he looked same here like i even love
like the how they change the logo on him like
it's like normally like so the belt on him in
the comics is like humongous and then the s freaking
glows and everything but i like this feels I
mean, outside of the belt, I will say this. It
does look like they kind of recycled Vision's
suit a bit. That's fair. Yeah, but I mean, he
still looks freaking incredible. Yeah, he does.
I love when he came down and like was standing
and everything. John was like trying to like.
straighten his posture a bit oh dude freaking
i can't imagine the flashbacks that bucky got
when he caught his uh metal hand metal arm just
started squeezing it yeah oh goodness yeah and
then yeah but century looked awesome and then
the void dude oh holy balls so much with so little
that's how i would describe it i'm almost i'm
hesitant to give this a 10 I'm personally at
a 9. Yeah. That makes me feel better about giving
it a 10 because I know it is going to round down.
Fair enough. I can personally give it a 10. Honestly,
I'd be more at a 9 .5. Okay, that's fair. Yeah,
but after everyone else's outfit looked freaking
awesome. I even like Taskmaster's. I wish we
would have gotten more of her. Yeah, but she
looked great. yeah also like totally like i'm
not gonna like dock or anything uh it kind of
bullshit that you don't have a bulletproof mask
yeah i yeah i agree like for how tactical taskmaster
is or how they've set her up to be for all the
money that drakoff put into making sure her costume
or her outfit whatever um would be up to any
challenge yeah the fact that freaking her mask
is not bulletproof like i would have sworn up
and down that she took bullets in black widow
like i don't know if she took one of the face
but i'm pretty sure she took i don't think she
did no no this is gonna be my excuse to watch
black widow again there you go yeah But yeah,
I can give it a 10, knowing that yours is going
to pull it down a bit. All right, last up, we
got personal score. Let's hear yours first. Okay.
Yeah, this is not only one of the best Marvel
movies in recent years, one of the best Marvel
movies, period. I told Caleb after I got out
of this movie that this absolutely made my top
five. Talking it through, I think it's in my
top three. Best MCU movies. This was just fantastic
from start to finish. These characters were incredible.
The way that this story showcased mental health
was just perfection. I hardly had any problems
with this story. Marvel knocked it out of the
park. This is just a great superhero movie. Not
just a great superhero movie. This is just a
great movie. yeah i i can't wait to to watch
this movie again and again because it definitely
will be watched over and over for how much i
loved thunderbolts oh yeah for sure so i think
rating personal score i think i'm gonna be at
a 94 damn yeah i i'm just a couple points below
you i'm sitting at 92 hell yeah but i enjoyed
this movie So much. I loved it. I found it to
be so good. And it was fun. It's basically everything
I've missed about what Marvel does is giving
us flawed characters in a fun way. That's all
I really ask. And that's what we got. Yeah. so
i i loved what they did immensely so yeah i'm
giving it a 92. hell yeah all right going through
these scores real quick starting off with story
we started off real strong sitting at a 92 writing
got a bit of a bump sitting at a 96 .5 nice acting
went down just a hair sitting at a 92 .5 which
puts it on the exact same level as character
development also sitting at a 92 .5. The effects
are sitting at an 88, just for some minor rubberiness.
The music is our lowest category, sitting at
a 6 out of 10. The costumes are sitting at a
9 out of 10, and then our personal score ended
up averaging out to a 93. So with that, the final
All Bros. Letter Grade for Thunderbolts has come
out to a B+. What? Bro. All right. How close
was it to an A minus? Let's find out. It better
have been super close. Oh, my God. Point zero
seven. Son of a bitch. Oh, my gosh. It was so
close. Oh, man. It's our new number one B plus
movie, though. Okay. i'll take that i like that
it is seriously like it's thunderbolts and then
like right above it's the matrix at an a minus
damn like it is it is that so our god i thought
we were close with freaking rocket man dude rocket
man was sitting at an 89 .91 this is sitting
at an 89 .93 god damn holy shit yeah right God,
that almost stings a little bit, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does. Yeah, seriously. Wow. Yeah. All
right, so since I already said it, let's go what
it's below first. So it's below The Matrix, which
is in the A - category. It is below Guillermo
del Toro's Pinocchio. Okay. It is below Soul.
Okay. It's below Us. Okay. And it is below 1917.
Okay. Yeah, go in the opposite direction. And
these are all B -plus movies. It is above Rocketman.
Yeah, definitely agree. It's above The Avengers.
Oh, shit. Yeah. Damn. It's above Dawn of the
Planet of the Apes. I can't disagree. I can't
argue that. Yeah, it's... above ghostbusters
frozen empire yeah definitely agree with that
and then it is above elf yeah okay i like its
placement i do too like honestly like it's it's
not a horrible placement yeah all right now with
just mcu movies you want to hear like what it's
above and below yeah absolutely all right so
we have it sitting Below Multiverse of Madness.
I'm indifferent about that. We have it below
Shang -Chi. I'm indifferent about that one, too.
A little bit. It's below Volume 2. Okay. Yeah,
I can accept that. And then The Eternals. It's
below Eternals. It's below Eternals. Oh, shit.
But it is above The Avengers, like I said. It's
above Black Widow. Okay, yeah, fair. It's above
Far From Home. Okay. It's above Black Panther.
Wow. And it is above Captain Marvel. Yeah, okay.
Yeah, so our new ranking, which some of these
need to be discussed, it's No Way Home, Volume
3, Deadpool and Wolverine, Endgame, Infinity
War, Wakanda Forever. Eternals, Guardians Volume
2, Shang -Chi, Multiverse of Madness, Thunderbolts,
The Avengers, Black Widow, Far From Home, Black
Panther, Captain Marvel, Spider -Man Homecoming,
Age of Ultron, Thor Ragnarok, Quantumania, The
Marvels, Love and Thunder, Brave New World, and
then Ant -Man and the Wasp. We put Quantumania
above The Marvels? We did. What the hell is wrong
with this man? It's not by much. Oh, like how
much, uh, 0 .1. Okay. Like they're both B movies.
Okay. I mean, yeah, I would definitely agree
with, well, yeah, I would agree with it. Yeah.
Anyway, that's where it is, where it's sitting.
Okay. Wow. Like I said, like it sucks that it
didn't get into the A's, but. for how strong
of a B plus it is our number one B plus and where
it's at rank wise. Like, I think I, I think I'm,
I think I'm going to be okay with this. Yeah.
It's hard. It's hard to disagree because like,
I know what threw it down and it was, um, the
soundtrack. And like, I can't really justify
bumping it up to a seven. Like I couldn't. Yeah.
Damn. Yeah. I'm a bitch. Curse being critics,
man. Yep. This is what's good about some of our
rankings. It keeps us honest. That's true. That
is very true. Yeah. Obviously, because we had
some listener input. Or just input from other
people. Like the, some of the scores got a little
skewed, but I'm very curious if we, if it was
just us that did no way home, if it would still
be number one, genuinely curious. I don't know.
I, I honestly think that volume three would beat
it. I think volume would do. I think volume three
would become our new number one. Yeah. Like no
way home would have been up there, but I think.
Yeah, let me see, just for shits and giggles,
if that was... Oh, yeah. So, No Way Home was
the last one, or one of the last movies that
we did that was in the old format, where we combined
everything. Oh, okay. So, that sucks. Yeah, that
does. Yeah, now, like, anything between Sing
2... Oh, nope. Okay, so we have the scores for
Promising Young Woman down to the Forever Purse.
So anything that we had a guest on after Promising
Young Woman is in the combined scores. Okay.
Because we had a guest for Suicide Squad. We
had a guest for Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard, Willoughby's,
and Shang -Chi. And then after that, we started
separating. the scores a little bit. Okay. Was
Vic on Shang -Chi? Yes. Okay. Anyway, that wraps
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Nosferatu, which I've heard is an interesting
movie. Yes, I have heard the same, especially
the stuff from behind the scenes that I've heard.
Oh, shit. I didn't know anything about behind
the scenes. I just heard, all I've heard about
this movie is that it's unnecessarily horny.
That's yeah. I've heard that too, but like, I
thought I heard somewhere like that. What was
it? Like Nick, they took like Nicholas, isn't
Nicholas Holt in this movie? Sure. I think he
is. Either way, someone's prosthetic penis from
this movie was like taken home or something like
that. someone's prosthetic yeah like someone
did they they cloned him okay not prostate like
just um uh just like a prop penis i guess okay
yeah or i can't remember it kind of feels like
you could buy your own dildo but you know here
you know what before we close out let me i want
to confirm this okay that could be a fun story
for next week let's leave let's leave yeah okay
yeah let's leave people on red okay all right
sounds good we'll come back next week on the
status of that uh prosthetic uh but until then
this has been the all bros podcast i'm caleb
and i'm jonathan and we'll catch you guys next
week deuces see ya