1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,560 What is up bros welcome to the all bros podcast I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan and 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:33,880 We are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as 3 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,860 Possible welcome to the all bros 4 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,140 This week on the podcast 5 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,480 We got a couple things in weekly watch that we're going to discuss most all of these are roses 6 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:56,840 I was a frickin lame-o this week and didn't end up watching shit. Hey, man. That was me last week. So it's all good 7 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,720 Yeah, I did. I've been watching so many shows though 8 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Like a ridiculous amount of shows and then do you get worse like don't don't expect me to watch any movies for a hot minute 9 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,880 It was I need to catch up on 10 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,120 like I've been waiting for 11 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,680 The penguin to finish because I was just gonna binge all that in one go 12 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:25,860 Then I was gonna watch Agatha all along and so I needed to watch our 13 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,920 So I was gonna binge all that at one one go and I have a bunch of other shows 14 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,780 I'm trying to like just wait till they finish and then binge them all 15 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,160 respect it 16 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,160 Yeah, so 17 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,360 Like I said might be a hot minute before you hear shit from me. So 18 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Just so you guys are aware 19 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,360 Hey, as long as you're watching something that's all that matters. Yeah 20 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:57,640 But yeah, so we'll get into that weekly watch here in a second and then we will be getting into our breakdown of Joker 21 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,440 fully I do 22 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Which I have thoughts on I 23 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Feel that we're gonna be different on this movie. Just I have a feeling you're giving 24 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Do the face that you're giving 25 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,760 first 26 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,760 Spoiler alert first watch was gone 27 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,760 first watch was kind of rough 28 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,440 I'm excited for this one. Yeah, this is gonna be this is gonna be interesting 29 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:31,960 So with that let's say we get on into this let's do it. Hell. Yeah 30 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:42,000 Hello, my name is Brecker nurse and I want to tell you about my phone or movie podcast called autopsy for horror movie on my 31 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,280 Show I like to have fun dissecting out what makes a horror movie scary what worked for it? 32 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,720 What did it what types of fears us a playoff of is in an allegory for any sort of message? 33 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,720 I don't know but let's find out 34 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,960 Also, I like to watch slashers. I'm a big slasher guy 35 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,000 So I'll watch a slasher and do a kill grade for it 36 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,720 I will cover the kills and I will tell you how I would grade it based on shock method style points in a fourth 37 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,600 Category that is a reflection of the movie besides those I'll have fun with special topics 38 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:16,160 episodes commentary tracks interviews with guests including some shutter directors 39 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,520 So I just like to have a fun time over here 40 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,720 If any of this sounds interesting to you or you want to come check me out 41 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Please head over to Spotify Apple podcast or anywhere they listen podcast and search for autopsy before a movie 42 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:34,280 Also, be sure to find me on Instagram at Brecker horror where you get fun updates and some cool little posts that I do 43 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Thanks for listening and I hope that you get to enjoy the show and I'll see you on Instagram. Bye 44 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,640 All righty getting into this week's weekly watch 45 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,680 Like I said, the only person that ended up watching shit this week was Rose so 46 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Rose would you like to tell everyone about what you watch this week would love to so for a very long time 47 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,160 People have been telling me that I need to check out terrifier the terrifier franchise 48 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Like these movies are gory as hell if you love watching guts spilled 49 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Watch these movies like art. The clown is a 50 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,640 He's a horror icon now, and I absolutely agree with everything that these people have said 51 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,120 Because holy shit, dude, are these movies? 52 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,720 freaking brutal 53 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,960 like oh my like 54 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,240 Imagine just a guy dressed as a clown literally cutting a girl 55 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,760 Cutting a girl in half all while sitting 56 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,920 Cutting a girl in half all while smiling while doing it 57 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,280 Just like laughing at what he's doing not saying anything like Arthur clown is is is is a mime 58 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:47,560 He doesn't say shit. All he does is facial expressions and stuff like that, but it's so messed up 59 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Just watching him literally in the first one this first one 60 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:56,640 he has a girl chained up by her feet and literally goes from her, you know area and 61 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:02,400 Saw us down all the way down to her head. What the toss her right in half. Yeah, I 62 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Mean dude, it just got it just kept getting like more effed up as not only this movie went on but when I got to the second 63 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:15,480 one 64 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,120 when I guess just take what I got one death and I'm just like 65 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,960 Like I literally didn't have a reaction because I'm just like, you know 66 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,440 People say that Michael Myers is messed up 67 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Jason Freddy Chucky 68 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Leather face. No, I think Arthur clown takes it 69 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,840 This is your magic freaking Michael Myers look at watching this movie and just being like Jesus 70 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,040 Literally I can imagine 71 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,520 Like I feel like the person that would be like even I'm not that effed up would be Freddy Krueger 72 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,520 Watching Arthur clown. Oh 73 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,960 My gosh, uh 74 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Dude, I have been wondering 75 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:07,200 What the hell this character is from cuz I've seen him on like so many tick tocks and Instagram reels and YouTube shorts 76 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,960 Like I've seen him on freaking everything and I had no idea who the hell this guy was. Yeah 77 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,040 Now, you know art the clown from terrifier 78 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Yeah, dude, apparently the the guy who plays him likes to go to comic cons and stuff dressed up as 79 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Art the clown dude, like that makes me so happy because you can tell this guy's having the time of his life and 80 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,200 That makes me so happy because he does an amazing job like 81 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,360 He he truly has become a horror icon to me. And I mean, I've only seen the first two movies 82 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,480 I plan on checking out the third one in theaters this week and I'm really excited about it 83 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,480 but just like 84 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,560 You know talk about this first one 85 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:54,360 It it's the shortest out of all three because the other two are over two hours. This one's not even an hour and a half 86 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,440 And it's like yeah, and it's like a very like 87 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Simplistic story that there's these two girls that are partying on Halloween 88 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:12,000 Art the clown starts following them and just terrorizes them all night and you know chaos ensues and shit gets going on 89 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Chaos ensues and shit gets very very bloody 90 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,840 Like oh my god 91 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,120 And then other people are killed along the way 92 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,360 But just yeah this 93 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 What a way to start 94 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,760 me in this franchise and then it just got 95 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Progressively like more effed up as not only this movie continued but as I got to the second one 96 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,520 so 97 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,100 Like personally, I feel like I mean I could be different with the third one 98 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,280 But for this first one and honestly the second one, I'm just gonna spoil it right now 99 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,480 I feel that they're both stream at movies 100 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,920 I don't think that you need to see these in theaters and honestly 101 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:58,440 I feel it'd be a lot more fun to see these at home because you can just watch these with a couple of buddies and 102 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Just point out how 103 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,280 F'd up art the clown is for what he does to his victims 104 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,240 like oh 105 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,240 my god, dude, like I 106 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:13,720 There's one scene in the second one that is engraved in my head and will be until the day that I die 107 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Oh my gosh, dude. How new are these movies? 108 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,920 So this one came out in 2018 the first one I think really 109 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Yeah, it was either 2006 here in 2018 and then the second one came out in 2022. That is wild 110 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,140 Yeah, like I feel like I mean at least with the stuff I've been seeing of him lately 111 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:39,820 I honestly would have guessed that he was a newer character 112 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,420 Or at least newer than freaking 2018 113 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:51,520 Yeah, I mean I think cuz like the the first one was I mean definitely, you know a low-budget low-budget horror film 114 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:58,380 And compared to the second one. Yeah, the budget was definitely raised, but I think it took a little bit for people to 115 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,280 realize 116 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,620 Who art the clown was how honestly how cool of a horror character he is 117 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,720 And just kind of finally check out the first movie. It got its popularity 118 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,680 and I'm assuming that's what a 119 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,760 Convinced them to make not only a sequel but a third one 120 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,300 Horror movies like that. Like they definitely hit their stride when they come to streaming 121 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Or it's yeah, it's true. Yeah when they're on digital and then yeah, and then the frickin cult decides to 122 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,480 jump on board and 123 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:37,120 Then yeah, so it doesn't surprise me at all that a character like this is is popular because I mean 124 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:44,920 From what I've seen of him like he's got it all he's got the silhouette. He's got the look up and from the sounds of it 125 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,800 He's got the frickin movie like 126 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,280 Gore and everything to back it up. So yep. I 127 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,840 Mean have at it aren't the clown. Yeah, do you freaking did you see the spirit Halloween animatronics? 128 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,720 I mean animatronic for him this year. No, it's so perfect. It's literally him 129 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,980 So in one hand he's holding the like bicycle belt that he uses in the second one 130 00:10:08,560 --> 00:10:12,320 And then he's wearing those. Have you seen him wear those like flower sunglasses? 131 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,680 Yes, okay. So he's wearing those and then in his other hand 132 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,760 he's just waving and he just swerves back and forth and 133 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,680 presses the horn every couple of times and like it's it's so it's a simple 134 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:32,720 animatronic but like he looks amazing like cuz party city also did an animatronic of art this year and 135 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,200 Frickin the spirit one looks so much better 136 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:41,040 Like he actually like looks like he was just ripped off the screen. It's it's great 137 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:44,160 But yeah 138 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,160 so as for the first one like 139 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,200 Out of the two that I've seen so far because like I said, I haven't seen the third one 140 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,640 But I'm very excited to check it out 141 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:56,300 Because I've heard that there is a scene that like people actually had to walk out of at the beginning that because it was 142 00:10:56,300 --> 00:10:59,960 Like so messed up. Yeah, dude. Oh, dude. These movies do not come to play 143 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,400 They don't mess around or they sorry they come play they don't mess around 144 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,520 So 145 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:13,560 So like go after I finished this one. I'm just like damn, okay, you know, like that was pretty messed up 146 00:11:13,560 --> 00:11:15,860 You know, like there were some gory parts, but you know what? 147 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,280 I'm assuming that the second one's gonna be about the same. No, the second one just cranked it up to a hundred 148 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Um, nice 149 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,040 Good lord 150 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,920 So yeah, so like you said it like I said first terrifying 151 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:29,120 Stream it 152 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:30,840 Easy stream it 153 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,200 It's it's it's a lot of fun. I had a good time 154 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:36,800 and 155 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,700 Yeah, like if you get a couple of your friends together watch this on a fun 156 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,160 on a 157 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,400 movie night that you're wanting to watch something a 158 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,960 Spooky horror movie. This is the perfect pick 159 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,760 And I would say the same thing with this with sequel terrifier 2 160 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,040 Which like I said is even more messed up 161 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:04,840 Because there is a scene where so he's killing this one girl in her bedroom 162 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,760 He looked I'm pretty sure I had to rewind because I'm just like did I just see him do that? 163 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,320 He literally cuts into her back starts 164 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,360 Like, you know cutting it out and then peels it back 165 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,480 While he's also yeah, and then while he's also like stabbing her in the front 166 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,960 I think or some shit like that, but dude, oh he gets so much worse. We we don't see him like 167 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,240 skin her 168 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:35,040 But her mom gets home. She comes up the stairs into her room and 169 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:37,320 Finds her daughter 170 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,960 Skinned on the bed like literally you can see her skeleton and she says 171 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,040 I can see her skeleton and she's still alive 172 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,400 She goes mom and arts just like laughing 173 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:57,720 He's just like looking at the mom pointing at the daughter just like literally laughing hysterical and I'm just like I am never gonna be okay 174 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,280 again after seeing that 175 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:08,200 See yeah, dude, it was so messed up 176 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,800 I'm sorry. I had to tell you detail 177 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,640 but 178 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Holy balls, dude 179 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,080 Yeah, it's 180 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,360 Freaking the 181 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,480 What wouldn't yeah, I knew that this was going to be better than the first one or I knew it was gonna be a really good 182 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,960 sequel when the opening after because they talk about like how like the first one was like the 183 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,520 Whatever city they live in massacre because like literally this one takes place 184 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,920 I think just a couple like a year after the first one 185 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:44,680 and so, you know like the 186 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:53,920 The or yeah, I think it's a year or maybe actually it's um, no actually no 187 00:13:53,920 --> 00:14:00,240 It's right after my bad. Yes. Yes, it's right after because literally the when we catch up with art 188 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,880 he is what he goes to a freaking laundromat and 189 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,600 literally you just see him like take off all of his bloody clothes and 190 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,000 Throw him in for a wash and like you see him just in his underwear and like an undershirt 191 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,800 And he's just sitting down and like reading the newspaper and just laughing and what he's reading. Oh 192 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,240 my gosh, I 193 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,080 I 194 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,440 Thought I knew what I was gonna watch this out holiday or this Halloween season. I 195 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,600 You might have made me second-guess myself dude, honestly I 196 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,840 Personally, I would not 197 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:42,120 Just because I would be worried about Iris walking in on you watching this 198 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:50,040 Oh, no, no, I I wouldn't watch something like this in in the family room. Oh, okay. This is something I'd watch outside. Oh 199 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,600 Okay. All right. Yeah under the the safety of 200 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,280 solid 201 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,280 Solitude, okay 202 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:04,080 well, I mean dude if you could I don't know if you can handle this much blood and guts like I I 203 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Don't know if I could either like I will be watching something else now 204 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:14,320 If you thought dude if this this um, I feel laughs in the face of saw for how 205 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Gory and shit dead serious, dude 206 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:20,160 like 207 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,840 These movies are they they want to show you as much blood 208 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,440 Body parts being cut up body parts being cut off as much as they can 209 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,640 Like they they earned that frickin our rating hell 210 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,800 This actually might be NC 17 and I would understand why Oh 211 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,160 That's frickin let's look it up just for shits and giggles 212 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,800 I think the third ones rated are but like I wouldn't be surprised if the second one was NC 17 213 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,840 Terrifier twos. Oh not rated. Oh 214 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,720 That explains it 215 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:56,920 That that tells me everything I need to know 216 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,640 There's like yeah, we knew we knew we weren't gonna get an R rating 217 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,120 So we didn't even bother sending it to the MPAA 218 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,120 Yeah 219 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,040 Something like that frickin intense dude hearing about it is frickin nuts 220 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Like what's this guy also known for oh he was in oh he played uh 221 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:20,720 In 222 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,560 2016 and 17 I guess there was a 223 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,280 a night wing show 224 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,960 Like it does. Oh it looks fan-made 225 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,760 now I 226 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,760 Mean that it's not always bad 227 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,480 Yeah, but he he played Joker 228 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,200 Yeah, then this role was perfect for him 229 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Yeah, cuz guy knows how to like do facial expressions to a tee 230 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,400 Like holy shit. Yeah, he played 231 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,760 Arthur clown was like his first like I'd say his first big 232 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,080 movie 233 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,760 movie 234 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,520 He did a couple voices in in a video game 235 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:13,240 He did an English voiceover first I'm assuming some Japanese anime yeah, yeah 236 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,760 Then 237 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,920 Yeah, so art the clown was his first big 238 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:24,360 Thing and then he did a couple like a podcast series that will 239 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,920 short or TV series for a 240 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,720 night wing 241 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,960 He was in Gotham and it was just like a couple little things here and there and then 242 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,240 terrifier 2 243 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Then he was in the the mean one. Oh 244 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,280 So the yeah, so the Grinch 245 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,720 Like more movie that they made and he played the Grinch 246 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,960 Okay, that's perfect. Then well now I kind of want to watch it now actually 247 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 and then 248 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,400 Let's see 249 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,400 What is this? 250 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,200 What is 251 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,800 Kiss oh, it's just Pete Davidson 252 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,080 Okay, it looks kind of like it looks kind of like just like a filmed 253 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,320 podcast situation 254 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,760 huh 255 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,280 But he he played art the clown in that 256 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,720 Okay, and then he was in a movie called 257 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,960 stream 258 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,960 I never heard of that 259 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,840 Yeah 260 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:35,520 It just looks like another horror movie, but he was in that and then terrifier 3 261 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:42,560 And he's got a couple things in the in the works. Oh my gosh, he's in that 262 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,680 He's in that steamboat Willie horror movie 263 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,620 He's gonna be that one that comes out next year. It's called scream boat 264 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:55,320 Oh good lord, and he plays steamboat Willie. Oh 265 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,440 That is 266 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Hilarious, that's awesome 267 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:07,040 Dude, I kind of want to watch that movie though the the steamboat will even yeah 268 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,280 Yeah, right 269 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,700 Maybe we'll do the mean one for for December dude. I am so down 270 00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:22,700 No idea I think one that we've got to do since 271 00:19:23,260 --> 00:19:26,700 We did the first one we got to do Winnie Winnie the Pooh blood and honey, too 272 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:32,100 Because like I've heard like I don't know. I heard it was so much better than the first one 273 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:33,420 But that's not saying a lot 274 00:19:33,420 --> 00:19:39,860 I know when the bars on the ground like it's not hard to step over but they said that like this one is actually watchable 275 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:43,380 So I can't I kind of that's saying a lot 276 00:19:44,620 --> 00:19:45,580 right 277 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:50,340 right shit, but I'm I I'd be very down for 278 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:57,060 For that. Okay, since we missed most of October we could just make December our horror month 279 00:19:58,180 --> 00:20:00,180 Hey, we had some things come up. It's okay 280 00:20:00,940 --> 00:20:02,940 true that 281 00:20:03,700 --> 00:20:05,460 But yeah, like 282 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:10,540 Just I'm not gonna get into the details with the story because I don't want to spoil anything for people that haven't seen this 283 00:20:10,540 --> 00:20:18,580 But like the like they're like some ways that they approach like the whole like it being a massacre the Syria him art being a serial 284 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:20,060 killer 285 00:20:20,060 --> 00:20:26,700 the the brother sister thing where like the brother is like kind of obsessed with 286 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:33,820 Serial killers and he wants to go as art the clown for Halloween even though, you know, the massacre just happened a couple days ago 287 00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:37,400 Which is like really really messed up 288 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,400 But yeah, just 289 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,800 I think this movie's maybe just a little too long. I don't think this really needed to be two hours 290 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,160 Maybe just cut it back a little bit 291 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,400 But it's just so messed up gory fun that 292 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:54,280 Not only want to say like it's fun 293 00:20:54,280 --> 00:21:00,160 But like I feel bad saying that for like how gory this shit is and like how they're there like 294 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,760 The way that he kills people you're just like 295 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:08,920 No one should go out like that. Can't can't we just go back to they are just stabbed to death and it's like a quicker 296 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,000 A quicker death than being freakin just skinned alive 297 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Yeah, like that dude the whole skinning alive thing 298 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Has always terrified me dude like same here 299 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,760 But he literally so art has a he carries around a trash bag with like all these 300 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,760 tools that he uses 301 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,480 So, you know saws knives hammers 302 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:42,040 A bat with nails in it. Also, he art uses guns like he will literally use any weapon 303 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,920 Shit. Yeah, do arts are a killer without a real mo 304 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,840 Yep 305 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Is he is he paranormal in any way? I think he is 306 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:01,480 But he never been anything like definitive about that because because the way that he comes back in the second one 307 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,880 Like it kind of has to be and then don't get me started on the end credit scene 308 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:14,120 For this one that leads into the third one because like oh my god literally. Okay, just because I like do you plan on ever watching these movies? 309 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Honestly, I feel like you've piqued my interest enough where I'm I might 310 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:26,200 Okay, then i'm not gonna spoil the uh end credits in that because like i'm glad that I stayed 311 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,440 But or i'm glad that I kept watching because I didn't think that there was going to be one 312 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,320 um, but it's just like 313 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,480 So like what the fud is I did I just watch like 314 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,760 Why the fud did you set up the sequel like that that like my eyes burn from watching that? 315 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,480 Oh, no, like what's his name? Damien damien leone like 316 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:55,240 This guy knows how to write write effed up shit like good lord like 317 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,320 Bravo to you man my my good sir. Mr. Leone like 318 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,520 I didn't think that uh people uh could like bring new blood 319 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,800 um to the horror to the horror genre, but 320 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,600 You sir, you sir, you sir 321 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:16,680 um to the horror to the horror genre, but you sir have delivered that tenfold 322 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Like wow, and dude and it's low budget, you know, they did freaking practical with that shit, too 323 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Oh, yeah, it you can definitely tell that it's cool. I really appreciate 324 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,640 But also it's really gross 325 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,880 Yeah, I can imagine 326 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,880 I don't dude. I you know me 327 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:41,960 I do not quease in horror movies like blood guts spilling that doesn't that that doesn't get me 328 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:48,600 The scene where that girl is skinned alive and you see the scene with her mom coming in that scene almost got me 329 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,840 That that almost got me. Oh man 330 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,480 I don't know. I 331 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,840 I am going to think twice before I turn this on 332 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,600 But uh 333 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,240 You know what we should do? 334 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,000 Is we should just the next time i'm out there 335 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:12,680 We should just have a marathon of all three of these of all three. I would be down for that. Okay 336 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Maybe we should do that 337 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,000 Maybe we should both be in the room for watching these together 338 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:20,600 Yeah 339 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,920 I I would be way more down for that 340 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,800 trying to watch these on my own 341 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,120 that's good, dude, that's completely fair because 342 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:33,080 Throughout both of them, especially the second one. I'm just like what the fuck am I watching? 343 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,080 dude 344 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,080 briel 345 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,080 claims that she loves 346 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,080 gory movies 347 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,080 I I this kind of makes me want to be like 348 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,080 You want to bet? 349 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,080 You sure about that? 350 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Like just just to test her just be like 351 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,080 Let's see 352 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,080 Oh, yeah, dude. This is like the perfect duster 353 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,080 Man, and then what were you what were you giving this one? 354 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,080 Oh this this one's a stream as well 355 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,480 Um, like don't get me wrong. Both of these movies are so much fun. I had a great time with both 356 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,680 But I feel that they're more fun enjoyed at home 357 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,680 with some friends just having a fun movie night together and just 358 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Enjoying art the clown just mutilate a bunch of people 359 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,160 fair enough 360 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,160 Fair enough. Holy shit 361 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:29,960 But yeah, that's all I got for weekly watch and I am super excited to watch the third one. At least I think I am 362 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,000 It's always a good time when you're unsure 363 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:42,760 It's like hell I could be could not be like it's I guess we'll find out yeah it says up in the air is everything else 364 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,160 on 365 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,000 Shit 366 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,440 Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was like wait you're leading this episode. I forgot 367 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920 uh, but yeah 368 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:59,640 So anyway without further ado, uh, let's move on to this week's breakdown 369 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,440 Let's do it. Hell, yeah 370 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,440 So 371 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,600 Alrighty like we said we will be breaking down joker folly ado 372 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480 to uh this week 373 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,400 so 374 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,440 Yeah 375 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:39,240 If you are new to our breakdown system, can you tell how excited I am about this one? I'm super excited, dude 376 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520 I'm pumped for the conversation. The movie itself was 377 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,440 Matt at best. I'm very interested because okay, so caleb's only seen this movie once i've seen it twice 378 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,400 I'm very interested to see how you feel on a second watch, you know, once it comes to streaming and everything 379 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,880 Yeah, i'm very interested 380 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,800 Yeah, we'll we'll see yeah, so 381 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,000 Yeah, uh 382 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,240 Like I said, if you're new to our breakdown system 383 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,840 We have split movies into eight different categories that we individually score to come to a final 384 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,800 All bros letter grade the eight categories that we score our story 385 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,400 writing 386 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,360 acting 387 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:18,360 character development 388 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:19,240 effects 389 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,880 Music costumes and then we give it our own personal score at the very end 390 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:28,600 All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us a little bit of a 391 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,080 Algorithm and give us a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade 392 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,640 um 393 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,080 So if you have not seen joker fully I do 394 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,320 We are going to be spoiling it for you 395 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,400 so 396 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,360 rose is going to be completely ruining this movie if you have not seen it, so 397 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Which judging by the box office a lot of people haven't 398 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,640 Yeah 399 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,820 just 400 00:27:56,820 --> 00:27:59,160 Personally, that kills me. You're fine 401 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:05,320 But I know rose probably has a different mindset on no, I think you should go see it 402 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:08,120 Yeah, so 403 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,360 Yeah, so with that, uh, we will be posting that spoiler warning 404 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,240 Now and if you choose to listen beyond this point and anything's ruined for you 405 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:19,400 Sorry 406 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,400 Yeah, the joke's on you 407 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,840 Yeah, uh 408 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,920 So with that we will get into our favorite segment that we like to call reading with rose 409 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,400 all right 410 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,400 So in an animated sequence 411 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,760 The joker is impersonated by his shadow who takes his place to perform his singing number for a tv show 412 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,160 And then abandons him on stage before three policemen arrive and beat him 413 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,960 Sorry, i'm still trying to figure this part out 414 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,200 Oh never mind as you were 415 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,640 Okay 416 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,920 All right 417 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,520 Arthur fleck is in custody at arkham state hospital awaiting trial for the crimes. He committed two years prior 418 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,360 His lawyer maryann stewart plans to argue that arthur has dis 419 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:08,760 Dissociative identity disorder disorder. Oh my god 420 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680 Excuse me disorder and his joker personality 421 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:19,980 Is responsible for the crimes at a music therapy session arthur meets harleen lee quinzel 422 00:29:19,980 --> 00:29:23,260 Lee confides to arthur that she grew up in the same neighborhood 423 00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:29,100 He did had an abusive father who died in a car crash and was committed after burning down her parents apartment building 424 00:29:29,420 --> 00:29:33,740 Lee also expresses her admiration for the joker's crimes and personality 425 00:29:35,980 --> 00:29:37,980 During 426 00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:41,100 During a film screening of the bandwagon lee starts a fire 427 00:29:41,420 --> 00:29:46,220 She and arthur are caught trying to escape and arthur is placed in solitary confinement 428 00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:51,740 Lee visits him to say she is being released to avoid his influence to avoid his influence 429 00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:55,100 But promises to attend his trial and they have sex 430 00:29:56,300 --> 00:30:03,980 I had to point that out you you usually um, I feel um plot descriptions don't point out when characters have sex 431 00:30:03,980 --> 00:30:06,220 But so like I think this is one of the first 432 00:30:07,260 --> 00:30:08,380 Yep, um 433 00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:14,860 During an interview with television personality patty meyers arthur sings to lee through the television screen deepening her love 434 00:30:14,860 --> 00:30:21,500 On the day of the trial assistant district attorney harvey dent calls witnesses who dismiss arthur's claims of insanity 435 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:28,140 During a break marianne reveals that lee was actually a psychiatry student who grew up in the upper west side 436 00:30:28,380 --> 00:30:30,380 And her father a doctor is alive 437 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:36,620 Furthermore she voluntarily committed herself at arkham checked herself out and never burned down an apartment building 438 00:30:37,100 --> 00:30:42,780 When arthur confronts lee she confesses that her lies were an effort to get close to arthur but also tells him that she is pregnant 439 00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:46,060 And has moved into his old apartment building to create a home for them 440 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:50,780 At the trial the next day arthur dismisses marianne and represents himself 441 00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:59,660 After being after bringing arthur's former co-worker gary puddles and neighbor sophie dumond to the stand dent rests his case 442 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:04,300 Arthur visibly affected by gary's testimony offers no defense although 443 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:09,980 During his speech he mocks the arkham guards and and indicates that they abuse him 444 00:31:09,980 --> 00:31:19,660 Returning to arkham he is taken to the shower showers room by head guard jackie solvin and two guards where he is brutally assaulted before being dragged to his cell partially naked 445 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:26,460 Ricky an inmate and friend of arthur verbally confronts the guards resulting in jackie jackie strangling him to death 446 00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:35,500 During his closing argument in court the following day a devastated arthur reannounces his joker persona taking full responsibility for his actions 447 00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:39,420 Enraged at this lee storms out and the jury finds arthur guilty of murder 448 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:47,420 As the four as the four person reads the the verdict a car bomb explodes outside the courthouse killing and injuring numerous attendees 449 00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:49,820 And scarring half of dents face 450 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:53,660 I feel they could have they could have showcased that a little more 451 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:57,420 Because I I I was that was horse shit 452 00:31:57,980 --> 00:32:01,260 Yeah, like that that was that was not that evident like 453 00:32:01,260 --> 00:32:05,500 Come on, um in the chaos two followers help arthur escape 454 00:32:06,220 --> 00:32:12,700 Arthur wanders through gotham city and encounters lee outside his old apartment, but she rejects him for renouncing his joker persona 455 00:32:13,340 --> 00:32:16,700 As she leaves the police apprehend arthur and bring him back to arkham 456 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:23,660 The next day a young inmate approaches arthur and begins telling a joke before repeatedly stabbing arthur in the abdomen 457 00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:27,500 As arthur bleeds to death his assailant carves a smile and a smile 458 00:32:27,500 --> 00:32:31,340 Is that what he was doing back there? Uh, yeah 459 00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:33,580 Oh, man 460 00:32:33,580 --> 00:32:36,380 Uh, I don't know how I feel about that 461 00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:43,660 Well, because uh for what I heard that's supposed to be the real joker of course it is now 462 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:49,500 That's exactly who I thought it was like not even knowing that like the carving thing was happening 463 00:32:50,140 --> 00:32:51,580 or 464 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:57,740 I I don't know what the hell I was thinking he was doing back there like all this I thought he was taking the blood and like 465 00:32:57,740 --> 00:33:00,300 Wiping it on his face or something like that. I maybe I just wasn't seeing that super clearly. I was focusing on arthur 466 00:33:01,020 --> 00:33:03,020 I was doing the same thing 467 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:09,100 Uh, I had a feeling though that everyone was gonna make the claim. That's the real joker like 468 00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:12,460 Izzy though 469 00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:15,180 I was like, oh my god 470 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:17,660 I was like, oh my god 471 00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:21,660 I'm like, is he though? 472 00:33:22,300 --> 00:33:24,380 And bro 473 00:33:24,380 --> 00:33:26,060 harvey 474 00:33:26,060 --> 00:33:31,420 You mean to tell me that he was further away from the explosion than arthur was 475 00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:35,760 Yet he got absolutely mutilated 476 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:44,780 And it wasn't even like it wasn't even like perfectly spread across his face it was literally like there was a line 477 00:33:44,780 --> 00:33:46,780 Yeah 478 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:54,780 I'm like that is some horse shit if I ever honestly like I don't know it didn't even look like a burn. It just looked like soot 479 00:33:55,340 --> 00:33:57,340 like yeah 480 00:33:57,340 --> 00:33:59,820 That's that's what that's all that it looked like 481 00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:02,780 Yeah, i'm like dude. Are you? 482 00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:10,140 Can you guys try just me like try a little more like to tie it in to harvey dam becomes two-face? 483 00:34:11,180 --> 00:34:13,180 Yeah, like 484 00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:17,500 I think they needed to do something else because in 485 00:34:19,020 --> 00:34:21,020 Every other iteration of 486 00:34:23,420 --> 00:34:24,540 Oh shit 487 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:31,660 In every other iteration of anything that has to do with two-face. It's because he gets acid poured on his face 488 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:33,900 Yeah 489 00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:39,500 So my question is why didn't you just have someone like freaking chuck like an acid? 490 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,300 bomb at his face 491 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:45,740 Or like something like right before the bomb explode or right? 492 00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:50,140 After the bomb exploded you could have had something like that and then have people like 493 00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:52,860 charging inside the 494 00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:57,020 courtroom grabbing arthur and then while he's getting pulled out 495 00:34:57,820 --> 00:35:00,620 You see harvey get freaking bushwhacked with the 496 00:35:01,340 --> 00:35:03,340 acid bath 497 00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,980 Yeah, yeah, that's a good point 498 00:35:06,140 --> 00:35:11,580 Like you could have done something a little bit more prominent kind of keeping true to your source material 499 00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:16,540 Which I know this is kind of an else world story. So it's not technically like 500 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,940 Batman or anything like that, but I mean still like you could have done something 501 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:24,620 Yeah 502 00:35:24,620 --> 00:35:26,620 Dude, just getting into this story here 503 00:35:27,340 --> 00:35:29,340 This was a lot 504 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:31,580 It was it was too much 505 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,540 Honestly, I personally I don't feel it was um 506 00:35:37,340 --> 00:35:38,380 I don't 507 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:44,460 Literally, the only thing that I don't like about this story is I think the opening animation is 508 00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:47,900 So out of left field it is 509 00:35:48,780 --> 00:35:50,300 Very out of place 510 00:35:50,300 --> 00:35:54,780 That just feels it makes no god damn like literally why do we need that? 511 00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:58,700 Like let's just start how they like literally right after that animation 512 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:04,860 It's um, we're at the state prison and we get we're introduced uh reintroduced to arthur 513 00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,500 What's wrong with opening the movie like that? 514 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:16,540 They needed another musical number or some bullshit like that. I guess so. Um, the animation was all right, though 515 00:36:17,260 --> 00:36:19,260 Yeah, the animation was good. It's just 516 00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:20,860 like 517 00:36:20,860 --> 00:36:24,780 Like even like even watching it a second time because like the first time i'm just like, okay 518 00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:29,180 What what the hell is this and then you know, like when the the actual i-field movie started 519 00:36:29,180 --> 00:36:34,300 I'm just like, okay, like yeah, this this actually feels like joker. This feels like a continuation of the first one 520 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:36,300 um 521 00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:42,540 Like even the second time i'm just like, okay, like yeah, like this is like all right, but like it still feels so 522 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,820 unnecessary like hell like um 523 00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:53,180 It maybe if you like included that as like, um before the actual movie started. It's just you know, like a fun, um, 524 00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:55,980 Uh short short before the movie 525 00:36:56,940 --> 00:37:00,620 Yeah, I guess i'd be okay with that but don't actually make it part of the damn movie 526 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:03,820 Dude, I I wouldn't know where to put that 527 00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:10,540 Like if you were doing like a complete reorganization of this movie, it feels like you said it feels so out of place 528 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,100 Yeah, you might as well have just not put it in 529 00:37:14,140 --> 00:37:16,140 I'd be okay with that 530 00:37:16,140 --> 00:37:18,940 like I would have been more okay with like a 531 00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,500 almost not a complete retelling 532 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,740 but just 533 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:26,940 Uh a recap of what happened in the first joker 534 00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:33,340 That's kind of what I thought they were doing because I thought it was just recapping like um the whole night at murray franklin's show 535 00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:39,740 But clearly murray's not there. Um, it has a it literally says the joker show featuring 536 00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:45,420 So so and so so yeah, clearly it's his own show like this is all about joker 537 00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:46,940 so 538 00:37:46,940 --> 00:37:54,380 It like is it supposed to be like oh, you know like someone who's like a super fan of joker made this and just this is showcasing like how 539 00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:57,900 people how people care more about 540 00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:03,900 um the joker as the symbol rather than the person behind the makeup arthur 541 00:38:04,620 --> 00:38:09,900 Um, and I feel the rest of the movie does a really good job with that personally. I I feel that 542 00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:16,140 Throughout you you know, like people that actually, you know like arthur only like him for joker 543 00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:22,380 They don't actually care about arthur fleck and I feel the rest of the movie does a does a good job showcasing that and it's 544 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:24,380 And as we get towards the end with it 545 00:38:24,460 --> 00:38:29,340 Um, but just the animation just it's so out of place. I I 546 00:38:30,620 --> 00:38:34,300 I don't like that. I think the mistake that they made with that 547 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:41,420 Is I think it would have made more sense or kind of fit more with the tone of the movie 548 00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:44,060 had it not be like 549 00:38:44,860 --> 00:38:49,580 The if you would have like made the shadow kind of represent arthur 550 00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:54,620 Where it's like trying to get away from the joker 551 00:38:55,260 --> 00:39:00,540 And yes, like I love that separate himself for or whatever and it's like it's 552 00:39:01,260 --> 00:39:07,180 The joker persona that's grabbing him and pulling him along and like forcefully like dragging him 553 00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,860 To be part of things that he doesn't want to be a part of 554 00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,820 That would have been so much better I would have loved that 555 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:19,980 Yeah, like just the hell the tone and you still could have had that like that very 556 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:27,180 Old-timey 19 like what would you say 50s style animation? Yeah, I would say so 557 00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:29,740 like maybe even like 558 00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:32,620 a little later than that like it seemed pretty modern like 559 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:39,500 Early looney tunes kind of stuff. Yeah, there we go. Or maybe even like pre looney tunes 560 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:45,820 like whenever they started introducing like color to 561 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:48,460 TV 562 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:49,580 Yeah 563 00:39:49,580 --> 00:39:50,940 but 564 00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:52,860 No, it's like 565 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,300 You you had something that just completely did not fit the tone 566 00:39:57,100 --> 00:40:02,380 No, it didn't even like fit the message of the movie. There was like there it was nothing 567 00:40:03,340 --> 00:40:05,420 like 568 00:40:05,420 --> 00:40:08,460 This is something that i'm like this is where you could have done like 569 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:11,980 More or less like a little bit of a spoiler about what was going to happen 570 00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:15,420 where 571 00:40:16,140 --> 00:40:20,940 Maybe like the the animated joker persona falls in love with 572 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:24,540 Uh, like harley 573 00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:31,020 And then arthur's just kind of like keeps trying to get in the middle of it and it's just push away push away push away 574 00:40:31,020 --> 00:40:33,020 and then 575 00:40:33,020 --> 00:40:35,020 Like that kind of shit 576 00:40:35,020 --> 00:40:42,140 Yeah, dude freaking yeah, you could have written a way better animated sequence than they did. Yeah, it's just 577 00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:47,100 That's the tone of that was completely off 578 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:49,980 and 579 00:40:49,980 --> 00:40:52,620 I feel like a majority of the movie 580 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:55,820 Was kind of like that too 581 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:59,100 It was just that the tone was just 582 00:40:59,980 --> 00:41:01,020 off 583 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:03,020 like there's just 584 00:41:03,020 --> 00:41:08,060 I don't feel like like the the courtroom drama thing. I didn't necessarily care for 585 00:41:09,180 --> 00:41:14,540 And then obviously like and then it jumped to like the guard stuff like when he's in prison and all that 586 00:41:14,940 --> 00:41:20,540 I would have preferred that him and harley like escape and kind of terrorize gotham a little bit more 587 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,500 and 588 00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:24,620 and like 589 00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:25,660 I 590 00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:28,780 I feel um, see this is what sucks about marketing 591 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:31,420 Is that usually? 592 00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:37,980 So for the most part you'll get exactly what's your marketed? Um, what what's your promise like from trailers and shit? 593 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,860 I feel that this movie is marketably marketed so horribly 594 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:47,980 Because there are a lot of scenes in the trailers that we don't see of lee 595 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:56,140 Um, and we're promised like yeah. Oh, this is just joker and harley just going insane. They're they're ruling gotham 596 00:41:56,140 --> 00:42:03,500 um, whereas no, it's more it's a story of you know arthur being in prison him meeting a girl that actually 597 00:42:04,140 --> 00:42:10,060 Likes him that wants to be hit be with him. Like she's the one that actually like initiates the feelings first 598 00:42:10,620 --> 00:42:12,620 um and 599 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:14,860 her doing like everything that she can to 600 00:42:15,580 --> 00:42:21,180 Try to uh get him out of prison just showing her support just showing how much she cares about him 601 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:23,500 and then ultimately to find out that oh 602 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:27,900 Because you don't want to be joker anymore. I don't care about you. That's all that I cared about 603 00:42:27,900 --> 00:42:33,900 I don't care about arthur fleck all I care about is joker. That's all that's the only person that I wanted to be with 604 00:42:34,540 --> 00:42:35,660 um 605 00:42:35,660 --> 00:42:38,300 In person, I love that story because I feel that 606 00:42:38,940 --> 00:42:45,900 The first one is the rise of arth from arthur to joker. This one is the 607 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:48,940 Um, what's how do I say this? 608 00:42:48,940 --> 00:42:53,820 We're going backwards from that where arthur wants to go from being joker from being 609 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:58,460 Um, like the symbol of gotham to actually people wanting 610 00:42:59,020 --> 00:43:03,900 To see him for who he is. He wants people to see him as arthur. He doesn't want to be joker 611 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:12,220 But as the movie progresses he like honestly he he's like so hyped up from all these people at his trial from lee 612 00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:16,940 Even the guards, you know saying like oh, do you still think he's joker? 613 00:43:16,940 --> 00:43:19,420 After you know, they made that tv movie about you 614 00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:23,340 but ultimately at the end he finally realizes 615 00:43:24,300 --> 00:43:27,420 No, this is not who I want to be. I want to be arthur fleck 616 00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:32,940 Um and you know the whole scene, you know what sucks about this whole thing 617 00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:38,940 Well, the only people that really seemed interested in arthur 618 00:43:39,740 --> 00:43:41,740 Were the guards 619 00:43:41,740 --> 00:43:43,740 Yeah, you know what? Yeah, you're not wrong 620 00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:48,940 Like they're the ones that were like, I mean, yeah, they were making fun of him and they were like 621 00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:51,740 Picking on him and bullying him 622 00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:57,660 But when he started going joker, they started treating him super different 623 00:43:58,540 --> 00:44:00,540 Yeah, that's true 624 00:44:00,540 --> 00:44:02,540 But before that when he was 625 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:09,100 Playing art or when he was being arthur and like hey arthur you got a joke for us today like 626 00:44:09,660 --> 00:44:11,660 He kind of has like a rapport with him 627 00:44:11,660 --> 00:44:16,780 Like yeah, I mean, it's not a good french like they're not solid buddy buddy or anything 628 00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:19,260 like and that was just evident when 629 00:44:20,460 --> 00:44:23,900 Uh when joker tapped the dude on the back and he's like, thanks buddy. And then he's like 630 00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,100 Yeah 631 00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:33,900 I'm like shit. I'm like, yeah, you forget you are a prisoner like a bitch but 632 00:44:35,020 --> 00:44:39,420 But like you you get that sense that they're kind of like buddy buddy 633 00:44:39,420 --> 00:44:41,420 At least a little bit 634 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:47,660 Yeah, like honestly, I feel like um, because um, oh my god, what is uh, 635 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:51,340 The the main guards name glissand 636 00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:57,100 Glissand thank you like that's that's uh, I mean that's the actor's name, but okay. Um 637 00:44:57,740 --> 00:45:01,820 But like throughout I feel like even at the beginning like yeah, you know 638 00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:06,540 He still treats him like an inmate but like you can tell like he he does actually like like arthur like 639 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:12,700 He he warms up to him even just a little bit because like during the scene when they're at music class 640 00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:17,740 And they're kind of taking a little break and he starts singing and lee calls. Um 641 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:22,540 Arthur over he sees him go over there, but he doesn't try to stop him 642 00:45:23,260 --> 00:45:29,500 Yeah, like there's a like I said, there's a little bit of a rapport there and he actually like cares about 643 00:45:30,220 --> 00:45:32,300 Arthur in a sense like as much as he 644 00:45:32,300 --> 00:45:38,140 Can without it being like a conflict of interest? Yeah, like he's not going to break him out of prison or nothing 645 00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:40,860 But he's like, hey, let the guy live a little 646 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:46,220 like thinking that he's going to be basically in jail for the rest of his life, but then the 647 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,220 The joker starts coming out more and more and he's like 648 00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:52,860 We hate the joker. Yeah 649 00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:56,780 like he starts like badmouthing them and like 650 00:45:56,780 --> 00:46:01,900 And all this other shit and like yeah, it's like a betrayal more or less. It's just yeah 651 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,900 No, that's a great way to put it 652 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:09,580 Yeah, so it's just betraying the the it's hard to say friendship. They're like it's so 653 00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:14,700 Fud up, but it's just but like you're not wrong 654 00:46:16,060 --> 00:46:17,740 like um 655 00:46:17,740 --> 00:46:21,500 I mean, it's all he pushed away like the joker coming out 656 00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:26,060 Pushed away all of the people that actually cared about Arthur 657 00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:30,700 One being his lawyer and two being the guards 658 00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:32,220 Yeah 659 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:39,260 And then him embracing Arthur and coming back to that is what pushed everyone else away 660 00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:47,020 Like pushed away harley it pushed away all of the fans and whatnot and released what you want to call the 661 00:46:47,020 --> 00:46:49,020 Real joker. Yeah, like 662 00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:56,940 It was it was an odd way to go about it like the I think in theory 663 00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:04,220 Like on paper, this the story is good. The execution though was just a little rough 664 00:47:06,060 --> 00:47:09,500 Like I think there were too many sequences that were like pretend 665 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:12,540 Like and I know that the first joker was like 666 00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:16,860 I know the first joker kind of played on that a little bit where it's just like oh what's real? What's not? 667 00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:20,380 I think this should have just stuck with what was real 668 00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:23,180 I know I feel for um 669 00:47:23,740 --> 00:47:29,900 The the way that they want to showcase how much lee cares for um, arthur 670 00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:33,500 I guess honestly I can say joker because she really doesn't care for arthur 671 00:47:34,220 --> 00:47:37,260 Um, yeah, she doesn't give a shit like it's like the 672 00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:45,580 second that he like that she come like she comes running out in the hall and does the whole like gun to the head thing 673 00:47:46,060 --> 00:47:51,020 It's like you knew that wasn't for arthur. That was for the joker 674 00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:55,020 Arthur just took it for him. Yeah, dude 675 00:47:55,020 --> 00:47:59,420 I I feel like the the one scene that is so clear that you're just like yeah 676 00:47:59,420 --> 00:48:03,500 She doesn't give a shit about arthur is when she's like, oh my god, I'm gonna kill myself 677 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:08,860 But it's so clear that you're just like yeah, she doesn't give a shit about arthur is when she visits him in his cell 678 00:48:08,860 --> 00:48:13,260 And she has to put the joker makeup on him before they can do like 679 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:16,940 I miss before they can have sex or just do anything 680 00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:20,060 Yeah, like she wants to only she and she even points out 681 00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:24,460 She's like I want to see the real you and to me the real you is joker. It's not arthur fleck 682 00:48:25,420 --> 00:48:32,700 Yeah, it's like, I don't I feel like the the amount of fantasies that they had I feel were perfect in my opinion 683 00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:39,900 because I think that we needed to see what Lee saw and also how what she 684 00:48:39,900 --> 00:48:45,580 pictured their lives to be and also what it no honestly was mostly what Lee saw 685 00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:50,380 because in every single fantasy that she was envisioning it was never Arthur like 686 00:48:50,380 --> 00:48:58,500 it was always it was always Joker like suit makeup green hair never once was 687 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:04,020 Arthur Fleck yeah Arthur was it kind of the same way like a lot of his fantasies 688 00:49:04,020 --> 00:49:10,260 were he was the Joker that's true and I mean he didn't he have a couple where he 689 00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:17,660 was just himself um I don't remember him having one where it was him I don't know 690 00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:23,460 if he did actually like I feel like the big the biggest fantasy that Arthur has 691 00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:30,780 is the one in the courtroom the the Joker is me yeah he's even he's in Joker 692 00:49:30,780 --> 00:49:34,740 makeup there but I mean like that one makes sense because he he can Lee 693 00:49:34,740 --> 00:49:39,180 convinces well okay I guess Lee doesn't convince him but after he fires his 694 00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:46,580 lawyer he he convinces convinces himself that I can be my own lawyer but the only 695 00:49:46,580 --> 00:49:49,860 way that I'm gonna be able to do it is as Joker I can't do it as Arthur Fleck 696 00:49:49,860 --> 00:49:57,220 like I I'm more outspoken I'm more I'm more comfortable actually putting my 697 00:49:57,220 --> 00:50:02,620 defense forward and talking around people as Joker and so it makes sense as 698 00:50:02,620 --> 00:50:10,500 to why when we lead into that fantasy that it's not Arthur it's Joker yeah and 699 00:50:10,500 --> 00:50:17,620 that whole sequence dude was sad like when he was defending himself and you 700 00:50:17,620 --> 00:50:25,660 had he'd gone full Joker and like you knew Harley was was there for it and I 701 00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:35,100 think that like the most heartbreaking was a mixture of the of his old neighbor 702 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:40,940 like that one was just though like that one was rough to hear from like oh his 703 00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:44,580 mother didn't even think he was funny thought his his life was pathetic all 704 00:50:44,580 --> 00:50:47,620 of it like hearing all this shit like right before he fired his lawyer I'm 705 00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:53,220 like damn dude like sir because we got like a little glimpse of to how shitty 706 00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:57,540 his mom was in the first one but this one just freaking was ice or cherry on 707 00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:05,060 top for how she said that oh he was put here to spread laughter and joy that's 708 00:51:05,060 --> 00:51:08,020 why she called him happy and she couldn't believe that he actually believed 709 00:51:08,020 --> 00:51:19,620 her yeah I'm like say dude holy shit yeah it's like oh my god dude her his 710 00:51:19,620 --> 00:51:26,380 lawyer I think was getting the job done oh yeah dude 100% heart like I was 711 00:51:26,380 --> 00:51:31,140 completely on that lawyers team like Harley does not give a flying shit about 712 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:35,460 you I'm like the reason why she's sitting all the way in the back yeah I'm 713 00:51:35,460 --> 00:51:43,460 like dude freaking rough super freaking rough dude hers was like you know like 714 00:51:43,460 --> 00:51:50,460 that one definitely hit but when Gary got on that stand oh my god Gary broke my 715 00:51:50,460 --> 00:51:57,060 heart dude same here dude I was like I I teared up the first time I saw I was 716 00:51:57,060 --> 00:52:01,520 bawling the second time when he's I mean this is more so writing but when he 717 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:08,780 says what is it you you were the only one that didn't make fun of me you were 718 00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:17,500 the only one that was nice to me when at work you like oh my god like yeah nice 719 00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:22,620 in the heart and he's like him going on and like you are the one that like made 720 00:52:22,620 --> 00:52:30,540 me like you made me realize just how small and powerless I am and like it's 721 00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:35,660 just it brought me back to that scene where after he'd killed that one dude 722 00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:41,540 and he basically scared the shit out of Gary just and like started like laughing 723 00:52:41,540 --> 00:52:47,820 at him and just like yeah yeah like of course the dude felt like he had to ask 724 00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:55,500 him for help to open the door dude like the the this the toll that that would 725 00:52:55,500 --> 00:53:04,500 take on someone's psyche like that seriously now yeah that scene dude it 726 00:53:04,500 --> 00:53:11,140 brought me back to that moment and I'm like oh my gosh like I couldn't like I 727 00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:19,220 love I I really enjoyed seeing the aftermath of what happened in Joker I 728 00:53:19,220 --> 00:53:25,140 think that was honestly the most interesting part of this whole movie like 729 00:53:25,140 --> 00:53:31,820 seeing what happened after like to the survivors and everything yeah and like 730 00:53:31,820 --> 00:53:37,900 hearing like the guy whose whose son was killed like the the freaking jerk 731 00:53:37,900 --> 00:53:45,300 college pong the subway guys yeah the subway guys which I think I remember 732 00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:52,740 when we were talking about that I'm like they kind of deserved it they did I'm 733 00:53:52,740 --> 00:53:57,900 just gonna say right now they deserved it I I still stand by that yep same here 734 00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:05,340 but understandable from his perspective or like yeah that's perspective like why 735 00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:11,880 he was like flipping out but yeah I think there was a lot of good parts to 736 00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:23,100 this story like the the courtroom drama part worked well for a minute like I 737 00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:27,700 don't think there was too many scenes where it worked super well but there 738 00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:31,900 were scenes like with Gary with the neighbor like some of those testimonies 739 00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:39,740 were really good yeah like really freaking good it's just once it got does 740 00:54:39,740 --> 00:54:45,620 the other shit that I was like not as impressed no but yeah that's that's 741 00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:53,820 fair story wise though like this is it's close to average I'm putting a little 742 00:54:53,820 --> 00:55:01,540 bit below I'm sitting at like a 72 really damn okay yeah a completely 743 00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:06,180 understandable this was not nearly as good as the the origin or the first 744 00:55:06,180 --> 00:55:13,220 Joker completely get it personally I think the story is really good there 745 00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:20,140 there are some definite parts that that kind of do take you out of it there are 746 00:55:20,140 --> 00:55:23,700 definitely some slow parts and freaking talking about the animation at the 747 00:55:23,700 --> 00:55:28,500 beginning just don't get me started on that again but I feel that the story is 748 00:55:28,500 --> 00:55:34,660 a good continuation of the first one it's the characters still feel the exact 749 00:55:34,660 --> 00:55:41,540 same and I feel where they take Arthur in this movie I honestly loved I loved 750 00:55:41,540 --> 00:55:48,580 watching the world just praise him for being Joker but him not want like him 751 00:55:48,580 --> 00:55:52,740 wanting that at first like he loved being in the spotlight but then 752 00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:58,120 realizing you know what no like I actually can't you just see me as Arthur 753 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:04,180 like what's like what's wrong with that I also love that they dug more into 754 00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:11,340 how you know with the whole two personalities Arthur Joker his mental 755 00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:18,020 disorder just everything I loved what they what they explored not only with 756 00:56:18,020 --> 00:56:22,020 the story expanding on these characters but especially how they expanded the 757 00:56:22,020 --> 00:56:30,520 story around Arthur I loved that so personally for the story I think I'm 758 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:37,100 gonna go on 82 fair enough moving on over to writing I do feel like the 759 00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:42,040 writing was significantly better than the story I think there were a lot of 760 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:49,260 really good lines that came out of this like we just talked about Gary's whole 761 00:56:49,260 --> 00:56:55,180 speech I thought that was really well written and talking about how he felt 762 00:56:55,180 --> 00:57:03,540 like super powerless and small and and everything like along those lines and I 763 00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:11,420 loved how they they wrote in like the like Joker defending himself it was it 764 00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:19,180 felt like a mixture of Arthur and Joker where he's like or he's talking with his 765 00:57:19,180 --> 00:57:25,700 ridiculous accent and then he's just like like no Gary I did like you yeah 766 00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:30,980 like and it just like letting that Arthur slip and then I think Harley 767 00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:36,700 started to notice and that was bothering her yep and so like there's a lot of 768 00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:44,180 like really smartly written stuff there I loved I mean you know we find out as 769 00:57:44,180 --> 00:57:47,860 the movie progressive that you know she was lying but I love how we're 770 00:57:47,860 --> 00:57:53,700 introduced to Lee you know like she does the whole you know like fake gunshot in 771 00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:58,860 the hallway and then she notices Arthur being brought to music class for the 772 00:57:58,860 --> 00:58:02,420 first time and she's like is it really you it's like yeah and they have that 773 00:58:02,420 --> 00:58:05,820 conversation in the hallway and she's just talking about how you know shitty 774 00:58:05,820 --> 00:58:11,060 her childhood was how her her father abused her her father died in a car 775 00:58:11,060 --> 00:58:17,220 crash she tried to burn her whole her whole family's apartment down that's 776 00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:22,300 why she ended up there so like for a minute like you you you honestly feel 777 00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:25,900 for this character for what she's been through but then you know you find out 778 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:32,460 it's it's a complete lie she just did it to try to get Arthur to like her but 779 00:58:32,460 --> 00:58:37,540 like I don't like I don't know I feel it was a very it's a very good 780 00:58:37,540 --> 00:58:44,700 introduction to the character and as the movie progresses I feel you don't hate 781 00:58:44,700 --> 00:58:50,380 her well I don't know did you did you hate Lee as the movie went on or did you 782 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:57,140 like Lee I I started to not like her pretty early real okay yeah well as a 783 00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:03,660 character yeah I mean her the characterization of her I really enjoyed 784 00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:09,060 but as like the part as the character no I stopped liking her pretty early on 785 00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:14,660 like once it came out that she was lying to Arthur I was super suspicious of her 786 00:59:14,660 --> 00:59:20,060 am I now this isn't yeah this isn't flying like I don't know who the hell 787 00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:27,220 you think you are and I think that's what I you know because this is a this 788 00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:31,700 Joker story is completely different than the classic DC stories that we get for 789 00:59:31,700 --> 00:59:37,820 any of these characters and so I like what they did with Harley in in this 790 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:44,740 version that you know yeah she does the classic whole oh I'm a you know 791 00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:49,980 infatuated with the Joker but you know I I went through exactly what you went 792 00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:57,180 through you know I remember me and my friends walking up those same steps going 793 00:59:57,180 --> 01:00:01,100 to school just like really trying to sympathize with Arthur that like oh 794 01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:04,980 these both these two have been through the same shit together compared to the 795 01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:09,700 original Harley where it was just nothing but infatuation with Joker like 796 01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:14,220 in this one like for a minute you could actually understand why these two would 797 01:00:14,220 --> 01:00:20,300 get along so well because they're almost the same person but you know as the 798 01:00:20,300 --> 01:00:26,500 movie progresses we learn that she's a liar and I honestly loved that like I 799 01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:31,140 loved this different take on on the writing for Harley I know this more so 800 01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:34,140 like character development but I feel that's more so that's character 801 01:00:34,140 --> 01:00:40,420 development is more so Arthur that's it's Arthur story but I appreciated not 802 01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:44,460 only the writing for Arthur but also the writing for Lee for how they 803 01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:49,940 differentiated these two characters from the original source material like Todd 804 01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:53,900 Phillips did a great job with both of these characters yeah like this version 805 01:00:53,900 --> 01:01:05,020 of Harley really worked for this version of Joker because you like this isn't the 806 01:01:05,020 --> 01:01:13,860 Joker that we know the Joker that we know did not give a flying shit about 807 01:01:13,860 --> 01:01:19,860 Harley yeah like Harley was obsessed with him he could care less all like his 808 01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:26,180 obsession was with Batman and if it wasn't Batman he could give a flying shit 809 01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:37,940 and and here it was it was opposite it was horror or it was it was Arthur that 810 01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:44,260 no one really gave a shit about and yeah one of the things I wish that they 811 01:01:44,260 --> 01:01:51,500 would have played up on a little bit more was the whole the Joker show like 812 01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:56,220 deal I wish that they would have rated that a bit more it like throughout the 813 01:01:56,220 --> 01:02:01,340 fantasies like I would have liked to see that's fair yeah just so it's like very 814 01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:10,020 obvious that it's a fantasy and then had like those sequences where it's like a 815 01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:14,660 Harley gets introduced and everything's going great and grand and he's in love 816 01:02:14,660 --> 01:02:19,060 and blah blah blah blah and then you hear the betrayal and then you see those 817 01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:26,100 like very like artistic shots where it's like okay he's been shot like betrayed 818 01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:31,780 by Harley or or whatever and it's I wish we would have gotten a little bit more 819 01:02:31,780 --> 01:02:41,500 of that versus like the random ass dreams or daydreams whatever he that he 820 01:02:41,500 --> 01:02:48,140 was having like the one of them dancing on top of like the Arkham Hotel yeah 821 01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:53,420 yeah exactly no I can definitely agree with you there yeah I love that idea 822 01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:59,020 yeah so I mean the way that like the other characters are written like I 823 01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:06,180 really liked how that journalist the one that was interviewing Arthur I loved how 824 01:03:06,180 --> 01:03:10,940 he was written I loved how the the lawyer was written like anyone that was 825 01:03:10,940 --> 01:03:16,860 personally dealing with Arthur I loved how they were written like the ones that 826 01:03:16,860 --> 01:03:24,260 actually seemed to care about Arthur not just the Joker yeah I did like this feel 827 01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:30,300 like the like the dialogue with the random fans was super generic though 828 01:03:30,300 --> 01:03:37,220 yeah that's what like the two that like grab him at the end after the after the 829 01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:42,940 explosion yeah yeah I can definitely agree freaking as they're like you know 830 01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:46,900 like he's like coming to and you you're just focusing on them and they're just 831 01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:50,660 like oh yeah it's it's finally happening and you see like a firefighter drive by 832 01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:59,020 and the guys say a few a few I'm like really come on yeah dude homeboy looked 833 01:03:59,020 --> 01:04:07,500 way too close to Arthur like I would have pulled his ass over a makeup was 834 01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:19,420 too good yeah like I would yeah absolutely but yeah no no dude I agree 835 01:04:19,420 --> 01:04:23,800 with you like all the characters from the first one their writing was so so 836 01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,820 good I especially agree with you with the TV reporter like how he kept like 837 01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:31,820 trying to twist Arthur's words being oh so you're saying that what happened on 838 01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:35,980 the Murray Franklin show that wasn't Arthur that was the Joker and like even 839 01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:40,100 that's how he starts he's just like so should I call you Arthur or the Joker 840 01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:44,860 and his lawyers just like you know you cannot ask him that and then he's just 841 01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:47,740 like alright okay it's time to start but she can't be in here she has to be 842 01:04:47,740 --> 01:04:52,860 freaking far away I'm not dealing with her shit dude people were disrespecting 843 01:04:52,860 --> 01:04:57,940 her like we need to stop this now he's like we're not stopping oh my yeah bitch 844 01:04:57,940 --> 01:05:03,140 do freaking but I think it was the same before when Jackie yeah yeah Jackie the 845 01:05:03,140 --> 01:05:08,340 the main guard is you know trying to I think get him to go to this interview 846 01:05:08,340 --> 01:05:12,860 and the one guard that's like sitting at the desk was just like hey you know he's 847 01:05:12,860 --> 01:05:16,780 signing let him sign my book and Arthur's you know starting to you know 848 01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:20,500 like actually like sign something nice he's about to put sign put on a happy 849 01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:24,300 face and the guy leans over to Jack he's just like it's gonna be worth a fortune 850 01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:28,740 after they fry his ass and freaking Arthur just crosses that off and writes 851 01:05:28,740 --> 01:05:40,180 I hope you get cancer and then dude that was genius yeah like that's where I felt 852 01:05:40,180 --> 01:05:45,780 super bad for him because it's like these people like in some way like some 853 01:05:45,780 --> 01:05:52,060 of some of these guards like I feel actually cared a little bit in like 854 01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:56,420 their own like twisted way and then you get that one that's just like oh he's 855 01:05:56,420 --> 01:06:05,300 just out for clout and yeah the frickin sucks like it just this these movies did 856 01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:11,620 a really good job at making you feel bad for Arthur yeah they really did and not 857 01:06:11,620 --> 01:06:16,620 only is it because of the writing but you know also you know talking about 858 01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:20,260 acting it's Joaquin Phoenix's incredible performance not only in the first one 859 01:06:20,260 --> 01:06:24,420 but this one like I fell in love with Arthur Fleck all over again in this 860 01:06:24,420 --> 01:06:32,780 movie yeah this is one I think the writing was pretty good it was it was 861 01:06:32,780 --> 01:06:36,940 definitely above average on this one I'm probably gonna give this about ten 862 01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:42,460 higher than story so I'm putting this at an 82 hell yeah I'm just gonna be 863 01:06:42,460 --> 01:06:53,180 slightly above my writing at an 80 I think I'll go on 84 all right moving on 864 01:06:53,180 --> 01:07:01,140 over to acting for this cast list first up we got Joaquin Phoenix who played 865 01:07:01,140 --> 01:07:11,220 Arthur Fleck aka the Joker we got Lady Gaga who plays Lee Quinzel Brendan 866 01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:17,540 Gleason who played I think he was a warden or or just the guard Jackie 867 01:07:17,540 --> 01:07:23,660 Sullivan yeah we got Katherine Keener who played Mary Ann Stewart who was 868 01:07:23,660 --> 01:07:33,260 Arthur's lawyer then we got Jacob Loaf land who played Ricky Malin is this the 869 01:07:33,260 --> 01:07:40,100 guy that stabbed him or no or no that's his note no that's the like his like 870 01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:48,780 only friend in prison that was you know there with him during like when they 871 01:07:48,780 --> 01:07:53,980 were like smoking on the bleachers he's the one that's killed by Jackie right 872 01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:59,060 right right right when he strangled to death so I felt like he had a decent 873 01:07:59,060 --> 01:08:05,180 part in the movie because when dude his death was so sad it was super sad dude 874 01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:11,220 and then Arthur just like laying there just listening to it like yeah that was 875 01:08:11,220 --> 01:08:20,220 rough then we got Harry Lottie who played Harvey Dent again probably like 876 01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:26,660 this was not a good intro to to face no I mean and you know we'll never get this 877 01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:32,940 version of two-face again because one Todd Phillips said that you know not 878 01:08:32,940 --> 01:08:37,620 doing another one and you know looking at the box office and James Gunn has 879 01:08:37,620 --> 01:08:45,380 been like very distant with this movie so yeah honestly don't blame him yeah 880 01:08:45,380 --> 01:08:52,420 then we got Lee Gill who plays Gary Puddles it's just heartbreaking 881 01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:57,580 heartbreaking scene dude I almost completely forgot about him until he 882 01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:04,860 started walking in the courtroom I was like this is not gonna be fun yeah then 883 01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:15,020 you got Zazie Beats or is it Zazie or Zazie I think it's Zazie Zazie Zazie 884 01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:24,980 Beats who plays Sophie Dumond who was Arthur's neighbor in the first film she 885 01:09:24,980 --> 01:09:31,200 comes back and then we got Steve Coogan who played Patty Myers who was the 886 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:39,540 journalist that was basically egging Arthur on to to release the Joker yep a 887 01:09:39,540 --> 01:09:46,620 kind of a small role for this guy yeah no like seriously I mean he was great 888 01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:52,060 for what we got from him but yeah that was very shocking yeah you get Steve 889 01:09:52,060 --> 01:10:00,860 Coogan for your movie like or was his voice like ridiculously deep yes a lot 890 01:10:00,860 --> 01:10:04,780 of people pointed that out like he it seemed like he was definitely having a 891 01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:09,920 hard time like doing an American accent and that was like the only way that he 892 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:16,260 made sure that like his uh his his like native accent wouldn't come through is 893 01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:24,660 like like having it as deep as possible honestly it worked I agree like I didn't 894 01:10:24,660 --> 01:10:30,380 I couldn't hear freakin British accent whatsoever yeah no I couldn't either so 895 01:10:30,380 --> 01:10:37,660 I mean it was deep as hell but that's okay because it was really good yeah 896 01:10:37,660 --> 01:10:43,900 obviously I think everyone knows what our number one's gonna be unless you're 897 01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:53,940 throwing it at Harley no it's still walking yeah figured like he just once 898 01:10:53,940 --> 01:11:00,360 again incredible performance I love him so much in this role I haven't seen him 899 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,620 a lot of Joaquin Phoenix's other work I honestly should because I think he's a 900 01:11:03,620 --> 01:11:09,500 great actor but there's a reason why he won for best actor for the first one at 901 01:11:09,500 --> 01:11:13,940 the Oscars unfortunately I don't see it happening with this one I would be 902 01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:20,300 genuinely shocked if this got a nomination for anything I agree which I 903 01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:26,860 feel is unfortunate but I get it but just yeah once again he gives his heart 904 01:11:26,860 --> 01:11:33,460 and soul to this role I the pain emotion that you see in Arthur is just 905 01:11:33,460 --> 01:11:41,080 heartbreaking and also like the frickin what Joaquin puts his body through for 906 01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,980 this role like for how much weight he had to lose just for like how skinny 907 01:11:44,980 --> 01:11:50,740 Arthur Fleck is like holy shit did he lose all that weight again yep holy 908 01:11:50,740 --> 01:11:57,540 balls dude yeah yeah like that is commitment no that is joke that is 909 01:11:57,540 --> 01:12:01,580 status Christian Bale level commitment right there straight up 910 01:12:01,580 --> 01:12:06,860 holy crap I thought like the reason they kept him in baggy clothes was because he 911 01:12:06,860 --> 01:12:11,940 couldn't lose all that weight again no that yeah no he lost it all again 912 01:12:11,940 --> 01:12:17,300 because even like during an interview they asked like oh you know like hey you 913 01:12:17,300 --> 01:12:21,860 know like you're you're kind of getting up there like are you sure you can still 914 01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:25,060 like keep having to lose weight for these types of roles and he's just like 915 01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:29,940 I guess you got a point maybe I should stop doing that without how old I'm 916 01:12:29,940 --> 01:12:34,500 getting like and actually stop putting my body through that kind of stuff yeah 917 01:12:34,500 --> 01:12:42,660 get your get yourself to a healthy like in a healthy vibe we will forgive you 918 01:12:42,660 --> 01:12:55,420 yeah exactly like eat a sandwich dude holy yeah yet no dude like seriously but 919 01:12:55,420 --> 01:13:00,100 yeah no he sorry good no I was just gonna say and some of the stuff that I 920 01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:06,420 swear was not a stunt double that he was doing like when he freaking fell 921 01:13:06,420 --> 01:13:10,580 against that wall after like he'd gotten stabbed by that inmate and just kind of 922 01:13:10,580 --> 01:13:17,060 like collapse against that wall I was like that didn't look fake yeah no that 923 01:13:17,060 --> 01:13:22,420 looked extremely real yeah there was a lot of shit like that that I'm just like 924 01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:31,060 geez yeah yeah obviously number one going to Joaquin yeah I'm also thinking 925 01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:38,660 we're in agreement with number two going to Lady Gaga oh yeah she was fantastic in 926 01:13:38,660 --> 01:13:45,340 this the have you seen any of the behind the scenes or like press tour of them 927 01:13:45,340 --> 01:13:51,180 together no it's not so it's actually like really like they have really really 928 01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:58,980 good chemistry and there is like like when he's like talking about her he will 929 01:13:58,980 --> 01:14:03,580 actually like ask her like oh is it should I say Gaga or can I say Stephanie 930 01:14:03,580 --> 01:14:08,500 like he'll actually ask if it's okay if he says her real name oh my gosh I just 931 01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:13,300 like what like what a gentleman but there's one interview that they're doing 932 01:14:13,300 --> 01:14:19,740 somebody they Lady Gaga reaches for a glass of water and Joaquin thinks that 933 01:14:19,740 --> 01:14:23,900 he's that she's giving it to him and he's like oh thank you so much and she's 934 01:14:23,900 --> 01:14:27,980 like she's like oh and so she grabs the other one he's just like oh wait was 935 01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:41,140 this for you that is fantastic so funny I've been avoiding I avoid interviews and 936 01:14:41,140 --> 01:14:46,180 stuff like that because I they tend to spoil some stuff that's fair yeah that's 937 01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:51,600 why I was avoiding it but I'll have to check that one out that one yeah like 938 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,020 they're so respectful to each other that I think they have great chemistry off 939 01:14:56,020 --> 01:15:00,980 screen and on screen I thought these two were great together they they bantered 940 01:15:00,980 --> 01:15:06,220 off of each other so well I believed the love story the fake love story 941 01:15:06,220 --> 01:15:14,620 unfortunately I I truly believed that you know that Lee loved him until she 942 01:15:14,620 --> 01:15:20,380 didn't we found yeah that she just only loved Joker and Lady Gaga's performance 943 01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:26,980 was I thought it was amazing it was on the levels of Joaquin she she was truly 944 01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:34,220 the perfect pick for this role they were I feel for the universe that they set up 945 01:15:34,220 --> 01:15:40,700 with this these two actors were perfect for this version of Joker in this version 946 01:15:40,700 --> 01:15:48,100 of Harley Quinn so yeah they Joaquin Phoenix just slightly better but no 947 01:15:48,100 --> 01:15:52,460 disrespect to Lady Gaga because she freaking brought it in this movie and I 948 01:15:52,460 --> 01:15:58,820 loved every minute that she was on screen she is an incredible actress she 949 01:15:58,820 --> 01:16:04,100 is so freaking good dude yeah and she doesn't get enough credit for that she 950 01:16:04,100 --> 01:16:14,460 doesn't but yeah her her role in this like you could feel like you could feel 951 01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:21,020 the hurt like her love for for Arthur and like I said until you couldn't 952 01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:27,980 anymore yeah and it almost makes me wonder like if she was I assume she was 953 01:16:27,980 --> 01:16:35,100 the one that like set off the bomb like that that was just my assumption but if 954 01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:40,300 she was I never thought about that but yeah that does make sense but it also 955 01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:47,740 makes you wonder like is was she trying to free him or was she trying to kill 956 01:16:47,740 --> 01:16:54,860 him if it was her and then like because she seemed pissed and like completely 957 01:16:54,860 --> 01:16:59,780 turned him down like we had like what she said like we had the fantasy we had 958 01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:03,780 like we had everything we had this and then as soon as she said we had the 959 01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:15,980 fantasy I was like oh shit like I was devastated just devastated but yeah she 960 01:17:15,980 --> 01:17:22,140 she sold that so incredibly well and I loved her for that what what's your 961 01:17:22,140 --> 01:17:30,620 number three number three I would give to the guy that played Jackie so was 962 01:17:30,620 --> 01:17:34,460 Jackie Sullivan yeah it was a different last name yeah Jackie Sullivan Brendan 963 01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:38,380 Gleason I loved him in this role he was great 964 01:17:38,380 --> 01:17:43,780 freaking just especially his interactions with Joaquin were just 965 01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:52,060 like fantastic like every moment that he was on screen I loved watching him 966 01:17:52,060 --> 01:17:56,100 definitely the best he was the funniest guard of all of them he was the guard 967 01:17:56,100 --> 01:18:03,540 that you really got to know the most and just yeah like he was great I loved him 968 01:18:03,540 --> 01:18:11,180 so same here that's my third he was so good my number three though I'm actually 969 01:18:11,180 --> 01:18:20,500 gonna give to Lee Gill completely fair yeah who played Gary Puddles his scene 970 01:18:20,500 --> 01:18:29,700 alone like stole the movie oh dude just freaking breaks your heart just just the 971 01:18:29,700 --> 01:18:34,980 line you were the only one that was nice to me you're just like oh god yeah knife 972 01:18:34,980 --> 01:18:46,380 to the heart like it was so so rough and I like yeah this is the the scene that 973 01:18:46,380 --> 01:18:53,100 got me like crazy emotional I was like man and like I said flooded me back with 974 01:18:53,100 --> 01:18:59,620 all the memories of the first I was like damn so yeah I'm definitely giving him 975 01:18:59,620 --> 01:19:06,020 my my number one or number three what's the where you sitting out with your 976 01:19:06,020 --> 01:19:13,100 acting I feel acting was great across the board like everybody brought it I 977 01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:20,180 thought everyone just did a great job so acting I think I'm gonna break a 90 and 978 01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:28,020 go a 90 I'm actually sitting right there with you at 90 hell yeah yeah I mean the 979 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:33,580 acting is good like the only thing that I feel really sucked about this was the 980 01:19:33,580 --> 01:19:43,060 story everything else was pretty decent or above average yeah all right moving 981 01:19:43,060 --> 01:19:49,260 on over to character development this one's a little tough to do that's fit 982 01:19:49,260 --> 01:19:54,700 because I feel like if you're looking at both of these movies I feel that you 983 01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:57,940 kind of have to look at the character development from Arthur for the first 984 01:19:57,940 --> 01:20:02,140 one as well as the second one because you know in the first one you see a down 985 01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:08,980 on his luck kind of guy that basically is pushed to his limits reaches the end 986 01:20:08,980 --> 01:20:15,500 and finally says you know enough is enough and becomes who we know is the 987 01:20:15,500 --> 01:20:21,980 Joker and then the second one is him deciding okay you know what I hid or no 988 01:20:21,980 --> 01:20:27,820 not hid everyone loves me as this character they don't love me for who I 989 01:20:27,820 --> 01:20:34,660 am they love me as this character and that's not that's not who I want to be 990 01:20:34,660 --> 01:20:40,700 I mean it takes him a while to get to that but once we reach the ending like 991 01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:46,620 he's finally like yeah he's lost everything but at least and this is like 992 01:20:46,620 --> 01:20:51,280 really sad to say at least he dies knowing that he's finally just Arthur 993 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:59,620 Fleck like he he's just him that's really sad but like at least he knows 994 01:20:59,620 --> 01:21:05,220 that and so I feel like if you're looking at the first one along with the 995 01:21:05,220 --> 01:21:08,620 second one I mean because you know it makes sense it's a sequel so you know 996 01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:11,340 you want to look at the character development in the first one and this 997 01:21:11,340 --> 01:21:16,540 one I think it's a really good character development personally because you see a 998 01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:24,620 guy go from the worst at his worst feeling like he's at top of the world 999 01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:28,820 and then finally going back down to you know what maybe actually I just want to 1000 01:21:28,820 --> 01:21:35,780 be what I was at the beginning I want to just be me like who he was at the end 1001 01:21:35,780 --> 01:21:43,860 was like you said purely Arthur Fleck and he like he opened up about the like 1002 01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:51,540 killing his mom yeah and like to the jury and was just like I I did kill 1003 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:58,380 those people I killed six people and one on national television like I did this 1004 01:21:58,380 --> 01:22:09,660 and like I think just him kind of almost getting rid or sending the Joker persona 1005 01:22:09,660 --> 01:22:18,020 away was it was really powerful for especially seeing where he came from 1006 01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:26,940 because like it would be you'd be remiss to not include the first Joker in this 1007 01:22:26,940 --> 01:22:33,580 breakdown yeah I agree like in terms of character development because it's just 1008 01:22:33,580 --> 01:22:38,260 you see this character come so far and then it's just you think that he's like 1009 01:22:38,260 --> 01:22:44,500 top of the world as Joker and then he's sitting on top of the world like he has 1010 01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:49,900 all these followers all like everything that he thought he wanted and I think 1011 01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:53,340 it's just progressively he got to the point where he realized that that's not 1012 01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:57,620 what he wants and I think it was hearing all these testimonies of people being 1013 01:22:57,620 --> 01:23:06,220 like giving the brutal truth about him like I would say like his neighbor being 1014 01:23:06,220 --> 01:23:11,220 like his mom like his mom thought he was a joke like he made me nervous and and 1015 01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:14,100 all this and I didn't call the cost because I didn't feel like he was a 1016 01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:19,940 threat and obviously that was wrong like just spitting these truths at him and I 1017 01:23:19,940 --> 01:23:24,100 think at a certain point it started turning into a show where he was 1018 01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:28,860 pretending to be Joker and you could tell that his whole like mannerism kind 1019 01:23:28,860 --> 01:23:41,500 of changed yeah and yeah it was it was sad it was it was truly sad like what 1020 01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:49,020 happened to him and and you feel it like you feel this full-heartedly and yeah 1021 01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:55,780 like you said when he dies knowing that he's just purely Arthur but he it's he 1022 01:23:55,780 --> 01:24:01,620 still kind of gives like almost like that respect to people like when he's 1023 01:24:01,620 --> 01:24:05,380 just like hey I have a joke for you you could tell that he kind of doesn't want 1024 01:24:05,380 --> 01:24:13,680 to be there but he's like okay is it quick yeah it's just you know so and so 1025 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:18,740 many people have talked about like what if you know when he's told that he has a 1026 01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:23,500 visitor and then the the one inmate stops him in the hallway so many people 1027 01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:27,900 have contemplated that was that a setup by the guards or was did he actually 1028 01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:36,100 have a visitor what are your thoughts interesting I didn't think this was a 1029 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:41,660 setup I didn't I didn't either I didn't get that vibe I mean the guard was 1030 01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:46,740 rushing him and being like let's go flick and like giving him like that whole 1031 01:24:46,740 --> 01:24:52,540 shtick so that I think that's maybe what sold it a little bit more than it yeah I 1032 01:24:52,540 --> 01:24:55,620 think it would have been a little bit more suspicious like if he'd been like 1033 01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:59,940 hey you got to get or yeah you have a visitor and then he just disappeared in 1034 01:24:59,940 --> 01:25:06,500 the hallway and it's like boom you got like this guy so I I don't feel like it 1035 01:25:06,500 --> 01:25:13,300 was a complete setup who do you think his visitor was though that's a great 1036 01:25:13,300 --> 01:25:20,020 question many hope it was Gary they they hope it was Gary yeah they hope it was 1037 01:25:20,020 --> 01:25:27,300 Gary there's no way there is no frickin way Gary's got Gary's too busy in 1038 01:25:27,300 --> 01:25:35,460 therapy to visit Arthur yeah that's true so true oh poor Gary that I don't know 1039 01:25:35,460 --> 01:25:40,940 but honestly now that you're saying that it very well could have been a setup 1040 01:25:40,940 --> 01:25:47,060 you know like cuz who else would have like Harley kind of wrote him off oh yeah 1041 01:25:47,060 --> 01:25:53,700 no it wouldn't be yeah I don't think it would have been his neighbor I can't 1042 01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:58,740 think of anybody else that would go to see Arthur I know like his old lawyer 1043 01:25:58,740 --> 01:26:07,780 maybe that that's a hard maybe yeah right I I can't think of a single person 1044 01:26:07,780 --> 01:26:12,140 so honestly not being able to think of someone that would visit him unless it 1045 01:26:12,140 --> 01:26:18,260 was like a fan yeah maybe like it like that's the only like person that I feel 1046 01:26:18,260 --> 01:26:22,940 like would show up would be a fan but they all kind of seemed like pissed off 1047 01:26:22,940 --> 01:26:33,900 at him so yeah so I like to if that's if like there's no one that makes sense for 1048 01:26:33,900 --> 01:26:39,860 there to be or like it's a hard stretch for them to be his visitor I kind of 1049 01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:45,580 just like to think that it was a setup yeah as effed up as that is I I would 1050 01:26:45,580 --> 01:26:51,260 buy setup like cuz I'm trying to think of anyone that they set up in the like 1051 01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:56,380 the first or cuz I was thinking like oh could it be like Thomas Wayne but I'm 1052 01:26:56,380 --> 01:27:04,060 like nah like he's dead it's true and I don't think that you know this movie 1053 01:27:04,060 --> 01:27:08,420 only takes two place out to place Wow two years after the first one so we know 1054 01:27:08,420 --> 01:27:11,860 it's not gonna be Bruce Wayne yeah Bruce Wayne still talking to a child 1055 01:27:11,860 --> 01:27:21,140 therapist yeah and spoiler alert it's doing nothing but I mean character 1056 01:27:21,140 --> 01:27:28,500 development wise like this was a really interesting arc definitely one of the 1057 01:27:28,500 --> 01:27:37,740 more interesting ones I think this one I think the the structure of how it was 1058 01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:44,860 told was just like slightly off so I'm sitting at like a 79 like I'm not quite 1059 01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:50,820 cracking an 80 with that one I think I am cracking 80s and I'm thinking just a 1060 01:27:50,820 --> 01:27:56,660 little higher than you had an 84 fair enough all right moving on over to 1061 01:27:56,660 --> 01:28:01,980 effects there weren't any real special effects other I mean there was the 1062 01:28:01,980 --> 01:28:07,380 animation at the beginning which the animation yeah beautiful yeah that 1063 01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:11,100 looked great yeah the animation looked great it's just actually what was in the 1064 01:28:11,100 --> 01:28:18,020 animation that just felt very out of place yeah did we've talked enough about 1065 01:28:18,020 --> 01:28:29,420 that yeah practical they did like literally they I love that it felt like 1066 01:28:29,420 --> 01:28:33,540 they shot it the same all the set pieces were the same like literally you could 1067 01:28:33,540 --> 01:28:37,620 combine these two movies and it could just be one movie for how identical it 1068 01:28:37,620 --> 01:28:43,580 is to the first one yeah when it comes to to its aesthetic its effects which I 1069 01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:48,100 absolutely love I love when a sequel can just be combined with its first and it 1070 01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:55,300 can just be one whole movie like how like one that I love looking at to think 1071 01:28:55,300 --> 01:28:58,860 about that can just be combined of the original Halloween and the original 1072 01:28:58,860 --> 01:29:02,940 Halloween too like literally those two movies could be one damn movie just one 1073 01:29:02,940 --> 01:29:11,140 close to three hour movie yeah I mean practical I don't think I noticed 1074 01:29:11,140 --> 01:29:17,180 anything that was CGI yeah I didn't either yeah so I doubt they they used 1075 01:29:17,180 --> 01:29:26,460 any of that practical wise in terms of action very brutal very brutal yes dude 1076 01:29:26,460 --> 01:29:32,780 freaking when he they showcase like the courtroom fantasy I feel is a great 1077 01:29:32,780 --> 01:29:37,780 showcase of the effects here because when he freaking beats Harvey Dent with 1078 01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:44,020 the stool dude freaking that was insane yeah and then you freaking see Lee like 1079 01:29:44,020 --> 01:29:50,940 take blood from him and just draw a smiley face on her mouth I'm like shit 1080 01:29:50,940 --> 01:29:55,700 and then freaking you see him walk up to the judges stand and then beat the guy 1081 01:29:55,700 --> 01:30:02,740 with a mallet yeah that oh dude or a gavel whatever he is or was it a 1082 01:30:02,740 --> 01:30:07,460 mallet or was it the gavel okay it was the gavel but okay same place that same 1083 01:30:07,460 --> 01:30:16,580 thing yeah it dude that like you saw impact yeah especially when frickin dent 1084 01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:26,220 was getting the chair like he was a WWE champion holy shit yeah like damn yeah 1085 01:30:26,220 --> 01:30:34,340 yeah Dan got beat like he owed Joker money see now if that was real and you 1086 01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:37,780 know Arthur beat the shit out of his face we could have said that's how he 1087 01:30:37,780 --> 01:30:44,020 becomes two-face I would have believed that more than what we got yeah dude 1088 01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:48,380 like there were people people closer to the blast that had their whole body 1089 01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:53,500 intact yeah I'm just I'd be like you know it's not comic accurate but at 1090 01:30:53,500 --> 01:30:56,980 least I can believe that more like you know I can understand why his you know 1091 01:30:56,980 --> 01:31:02,860 face was mutilated why he is two-faced now yeah I I'm glad that we're never 1092 01:31:02,860 --> 01:31:08,660 gonna get to see what came of that because nothing I feel would be 1093 01:31:08,660 --> 01:31:16,260 satisfying that's fair but yeah uh I mean other than that like I said the the 1094 01:31:16,260 --> 01:31:23,260 the effects were great action sequences look good any like combat that they had 1095 01:31:23,260 --> 01:31:28,900 looked good I say combat it was more brutal beatings but it was one-sided 1096 01:31:28,900 --> 01:31:37,940 combat yeah like all that looked really good I know I probably put that 87 yeah 1097 01:31:37,940 --> 01:31:42,820 I think I'll match you there all right next up we got music this is a tough 1098 01:31:42,820 --> 01:31:47,420 one a tough one because you hated the soundtrack or no I didn't hate the 1099 01:31:47,420 --> 01:31:52,620 soundtrack at all I thought the song was was fantastic oh okay good is hey well 1100 01:31:52,620 --> 01:31:59,500 for me this is is it worthy of a ten because I don't know if it is I 1101 01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:04,780 honestly I don't think it is I think it's worthy of like a super solid nine 1102 01:32:04,780 --> 01:32:15,380 I like it's all it is yeah yeah the set like it was missing that one banger I 1103 01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:21,140 know I feel the banger is the if my friends could see me now that that's the 1104 01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:26,460 banger in my eyes honestly that was my least favorite song really oh yeah I've 1105 01:32:26,460 --> 01:32:31,420 had that on repeat I love that song I need to listen through this soundtrack 1106 01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:40,100 again but yeah I was not impressed I was not impressed and that sucks to say that 1107 01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:44,780 absolutely sucks to say yeah that makes me sad because that's like Lady Gaga is 1108 01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:50,500 like big I feel that's like I mean that's not her only number but you know 1109 01:32:50,500 --> 01:32:56,020 like that's like our first like big musical number she has in the movie yeah 1110 01:32:56,020 --> 01:33:03,780 yeah I'm sitting at a nine there Sam here all right next up we got costumes 1111 01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:10,620 this was on par with the first the only yes group it was Harley's and Harley's 1112 01:33:10,620 --> 01:33:17,140 outfit was eh they kept it very subtle throughout like you know like the the 1113 01:33:17,140 --> 01:33:22,540 ending that we get is you know like classic like red and black you know like 1114 01:33:22,540 --> 01:33:28,940 that looks awesome for like the last day of trial but like yeah like you like you 1115 01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:35,020 said it's it's definitely not I feel it's not what we expected but I think 1116 01:33:35,020 --> 01:33:40,380 that's okay I was fine with it yeah I mean I knew that they were gonna go a 1117 01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:47,340 different route with this version of Harley and I don't know I think the eye 1118 01:33:47,340 --> 01:33:52,860 makeup was just too subtle I think they need to go a little bit more hardcore 1119 01:33:52,860 --> 01:34:00,340 with it like like in the dream sequence for the Joker and Harley show she has 1120 01:34:00,340 --> 01:34:05,700 that like you know blue eyeliner still with the black makeup like would you 1121 01:34:05,700 --> 01:34:09,740 want it as prominent as that but like maybe change it a little bit I would 1122 01:34:09,740 --> 01:34:19,780 have liked to see her mimic Joker's makeup without the white face and maybe 1123 01:34:19,780 --> 01:34:25,980 like oh yeah so like to have a blue diamond and then a red diamond and then 1124 01:34:25,980 --> 01:34:31,180 have like the red and then have to like the red smile damn yeah I would have 1125 01:34:31,180 --> 01:34:35,780 liked that too yeah I would have I would have gone a little bit more intense with 1126 01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:40,900 it versus just the very light just it was just like a black diamond and then 1127 01:34:40,900 --> 01:34:45,660 she like smeared the bottom so it like had a point to it like yeah it was just 1128 01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:52,580 too subtle I think she yeah go a little harder with it yeah yeah so I mean if 1129 01:34:52,580 --> 01:34:57,100 they would have just absolutely killed Harley's outfit like I think the suit 1130 01:34:57,100 --> 01:35:02,500 worked really well for her like the just yes it was like almost a scarlet red 1131 01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:08,460 suit like I love that that look on her yeah that looked great yeah it's just 1132 01:35:08,460 --> 01:35:13,740 the the the face makeup and I think if they would have nailed the face makeup I 1133 01:35:13,740 --> 01:35:20,780 probably would be willing to go up to like and nine but I think I'm sitting at 1134 01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:27,780 an eight I'm thinking the same thing yeah Joker looks great because it's it's 1135 01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:34,020 exactly what we got from the first one but you know I definitely agree with you 1136 01:35:34,020 --> 01:35:37,740 they they could have definitely stepped it up a bit when it came to Harley's 1137 01:35:37,740 --> 01:35:44,580 makeup yeah or Lee's makeup whatever same thing honestly all right last 1138 01:35:44,580 --> 01:35:49,700 this can interviewer does call her Harley and Quinzel when they're having 1139 01:35:49,700 --> 01:35:56,420 their interview so I guess they do actually call her Harleen yeah all right 1140 01:35:56,420 --> 01:36:02,860 last up we got personal score let's I'll go first because I you had a more 1141 01:36:02,860 --> 01:36:09,940 positive outlook on this movie than I did I I didn't hate this movie when 1142 01:36:09,940 --> 01:36:17,100 you're if you're comparing it to the first Joker it's a big decline it is a 1143 01:36:17,100 --> 01:36:22,900 big decline but I think what maybe helped me was that I managed my 1144 01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:27,860 expectations going in because the first time you were just like yeah this is 1145 01:36:27,860 --> 01:36:33,140 kind of shitty and everything I had heard about it may like just brought my 1146 01:36:33,140 --> 01:36:39,700 expectations down to like a minimum and I do believe that it met those 1147 01:36:39,700 --> 01:36:44,820 expectations and so I do feel like I might be viewing this a little bit more 1148 01:36:44,820 --> 01:36:51,420 favorably but this isn't a god-awful movie people walking out of this movie 1149 01:36:51,420 --> 01:37:00,820 utterly ridiculous yes it's it's too much people like come on the movie's not 1150 01:37:00,820 --> 01:37:05,820 that bad if you could sit through Morbius you can sit through Joker Folly I do 1151 01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:13,620 yeah actually that might even be too low of a bar yeah no I agree yeah yeah maybe 1152 01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:19,140 Morbius isn't the one to compare this to if you could sit through you know what 1153 01:37:19,140 --> 01:37:22,860 let me just put the score in and we'll find out what you could what you'd have 1154 01:37:22,860 --> 01:37:35,860 to like equal sit through um I am going to be giving this a 76 I enjoyed it 1155 01:37:35,860 --> 01:37:43,420 enough this is one that I'll probably rewatch again just to see if I look upon 1156 01:37:43,420 --> 01:37:48,700 it a little bit more favorably because I like now I know what it is going into it 1157 01:37:48,700 --> 01:37:53,460 and I could like look for different things and whatnot but I I didn't hate 1158 01:37:53,460 --> 01:38:01,340 this it was it wasn't as good as the original or the first and that's kind of 1159 01:38:01,340 --> 01:38:08,220 to be expected but yeah people calling this like oh it's absolutely garbage now 1160 01:38:08,220 --> 01:38:14,580 it's not I've seen absolute garbage and I still I would rather watch that than 1161 01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:21,220 than this all right rather one this I was like wait what she's I got way 1162 01:38:21,220 --> 01:38:27,060 freaking turned around on that thought you're good yeah I I would rather watch 1163 01:38:27,060 --> 01:38:34,460 this than anything else that was like really poorly received like I'd watch 1164 01:38:34,460 --> 01:38:39,380 this so like obviously this is just bottom of the barrel movies but I'd 1165 01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:46,220 watch this above Madame Web I'd watch it above frickin Morbius I'd watch it above 1166 01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:51,180 Borderlands I'd watch it above Borderlands like there's a lot that I 1167 01:38:51,180 --> 01:38:59,700 would watch over this so yeah my personal I'm sitting at a 76 very average 1168 01:38:59,700 --> 01:39:06,620 movie completely understandable so I remember so when I walked out of this 1169 01:39:06,620 --> 01:39:09,700 movie the first time I thought okay you know what that was all right kind of 1170 01:39:09,700 --> 01:39:15,500 like what Caleb said you know like it I I felt it was getting too much hate but 1171 01:39:15,500 --> 01:39:20,940 I understood the criticism criticism watching it a second time considering I 1172 01:39:20,940 --> 01:39:25,500 knew what I was walking into my score actually went up quite a bit I enjoyed 1173 01:39:25,500 --> 01:39:30,980 it a lot more a second time and just like yeah like Caleb said it's not as 1174 01:39:30,980 --> 01:39:35,420 good as the first one but I still think it's a very good sequel it's a good it's 1175 01:39:35,420 --> 01:39:41,340 a good accompanying piece to the first one walking Phoenix once again brings 1176 01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:48,300 his a game this time around not this time around he always does but once again he 1177 01:39:48,300 --> 01:39:55,780 brings it Lady Gaga is absolutely amazing here as a Lee Quinzel just the whole 1178 01:39:55,780 --> 01:40:01,060 cast is great I absolutely loved the music I can't stop listening to the 1179 01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:06,260 soundtrack honestly and just yeah like it's it's definitely I'm sure not the 1180 01:40:06,260 --> 01:40:10,220 sequel that people wanted to Joker because a lot of people can say that 1181 01:40:10,220 --> 01:40:14,580 Joker did not need a sequel and I will and I will be one of those that admits 1182 01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:19,420 that as well Joker did not need a sequel but for what Todd Phillips was able to 1183 01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:28,340 create I feel that it is a worthy sequel to the first movie and honestly I'm 1184 01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:32,860 happy with what we got I think it's a good film it's not a great film but I 1185 01:40:32,860 --> 01:40:41,540 think it is a good film so I am going to be exactly ten points higher than Caleb 1186 01:40:41,540 --> 01:40:48,140 and I'm gonna be at an 86 for my personal score hell yeah all right going 1187 01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:54,460 through these scores real quick starting off with story we ended up averaging out 1188 01:40:54,460 --> 01:41:05,220 at a 77 writing got a pretty decent bump it's sitting at an 84 acting is our 1189 01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:12,260 highest category sitting at a 90 character development took a little bit 1190 01:41:12,260 --> 01:41:21,180 of a dive sitting at an 81.5 the effects were really good there's they ended up 1191 01:41:21,180 --> 01:41:27,780 sitting at an 87 the music is sitting at a 9 out of 10 the costumes are sitting 1192 01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:34,420 at an 8 out of 10 and then our personal score ended up averaging out to an 81 so 1193 01:41:34,420 --> 01:41:42,060 with that the final Albrose letter grade for Joker Folly I do has come out to a 1194 01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:48,540 B all right I'll take it oh I thought this was definitely going to be in the 1195 01:41:48,540 --> 01:41:55,740 B- range I am so glad it's not Rose single-handedly saved this this movie 1196 01:41:55,740 --> 01:42:03,500 from being like the B- range I'm either gonna be praised for that or hated for 1197 01:42:03,500 --> 01:42:14,860 that my money's on hated yeah mine too damn okay so Joker fully I do is sitting 1198 01:42:14,860 --> 01:42:22,300 at an eighty four point four three percent let's go yeah that puts it a 1199 01:42:22,300 --> 01:42:31,820 pretty mid B so our range for B is between an eighty three percent and an 1200 01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:37,900 eighty six percent so this is sitting right in the middle at eighty four point 1201 01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:45,300 four three eight or four three so that puts it on the exact same level as prey 1202 01:42:45,300 --> 01:42:53,900 Wow okay yeah and I I like pray a lot I do too and I also like Joker fully I do a 1203 01:42:53,900 --> 01:43:05,500 lot so I like that oh shit oh no what okay I'm just gonna go with what it's 1204 01:43:05,500 --> 01:43:13,940 below first okay so this is sitting below spider-man 3 all right it is below 1205 01:43:13,940 --> 01:43:21,380 Christopher Robin yeah that's fair it is below the matrix resurrections I agree 1206 01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:28,780 to disagree it's below the Hunger Games the Ballad of Songbirds and snakes okay 1207 01:43:28,780 --> 01:43:38,940 and it is below Megan all right go in the opposite direction sitting above 1208 01:43:38,940 --> 01:43:46,980 Avengers age of Ultron oh shit oh shit oh dude we're gonna get so much hate for 1209 01:43:46,980 --> 01:43:55,780 that yeah it's above blue beetle yeah I can agree with that I'm sorry just just 1210 01:43:55,780 --> 01:44:04,020 wait just wait it's above free guy I agree with that too it's above Thor 1211 01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:11,940 Ragnarok I agree as well and it's above Sonic the Hedgehog I'm going to I'm 1212 01:44:11,940 --> 01:44:17,540 sorry I've really enjoyed this movie what I mean well okay for one I think 1213 01:44:17,540 --> 01:44:25,140 hedgehog is a frickin that's a hard sell Sonic the Hedgehog is a good movie but 1214 01:44:25,140 --> 01:44:32,100 the second one is better and I'm sorry man I am what I am I really really enjoy 1215 01:44:32,100 --> 01:44:37,860 Joker fillet I do as clearly as you can see for how much I boosted its score 1216 01:44:37,860 --> 01:44:44,740 yeah listen for any of the any of you that are going to throw a fit about 1217 01:44:44,740 --> 01:44:52,180 this the would like to say he is not with me first up I am not with him but 1218 01:44:52,180 --> 01:45:00,740 no the difference between those two movies is point six percent damn okay 1219 01:45:00,740 --> 01:45:09,380 the margins are so ridiculously tight dude on this it's it's crazy dude if if 1220 01:45:09,380 --> 01:45:16,500 Michael listens to this he's gonna kill me oh yeah yeah if my old co if one of 1221 01:45:16,500 --> 01:45:21,740 my old co-workers slash good friends of mine Michael listen to this episode he's 1222 01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:26,500 gonna kill me for that ranking ooh for how big of a Sonic the Hedgehog fan he 1223 01:45:26,500 --> 01:45:35,020 is yeah sorry man dude to get one percent away from from that movie you 1224 01:45:35,020 --> 01:45:45,340 have to go down 16 movies before you're one percent away Wow yeah and one percent 1225 01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:53,500 away is frickin childs it's 2019's child's play damn oh we should yeah so 1226 01:45:53,500 --> 01:46:00,940 16 movies before you even reach a percent so anyone who wants to throw 1227 01:46:00,940 --> 01:46:13,940 shade it is literally less than 1% but yeah I'll be it's a bit of a tough sell 1228 01:46:13,940 --> 01:46:21,060 but I think talking at least for me the but I don't think it's completely 1229 01:46:21,060 --> 01:46:27,180 undeserved I do feel like a B is a decent home for this but when you're 1230 01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:35,700 comparing it to the OG Joker or the first Joker that we gave an I believe we 1231 01:46:35,700 --> 01:46:44,860 gave that a minus yeah we're like we're sitting at a minus like literally 2% 1232 01:46:44,860 --> 01:46:52,500 away from being an a like come on yeah like of course like it does look it 1233 01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:58,900 seemed like a very drastically different movie but the quality is I mean it's 1234 01:46:58,900 --> 01:47:05,260 it's still somewhat there but yeah the only one that's giving me some pause is 1235 01:47:05,260 --> 01:47:16,860 the Sonic bitch hedgehog but yeah so anyway yeah if you guys liked our that 1236 01:47:16,860 --> 01:47:24,220 wraps up this week's breakdown so sorry to any Sonic fans out 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would love to come back for the 1255 01:49:25,700 --> 01:49:31,140 character because he's love that doesn't necessarily mean that like a movie I 1256 01:49:31,140 --> 01:49:37,180 assume this is the last venom movie I don't think this movie with venom in it 1257 01:49:37,180 --> 01:49:44,300 yeah that's yeah that's true I want to see this version of venom go up against 1258 01:49:44,300 --> 01:49:49,780 Tom Holland a lot of people do and I do as well but I mean hey you know what for 1259 01:49:49,780 --> 01:49:54,700 how I mean let's face it like they their studios that promise oh yeah this is the 1260 01:49:54,700 --> 01:49:59,020 last one it's only gonna be a trilogy then they see how profitable the third 1261 01:49:59,020 --> 01:50:05,540 one is and they're just like shit I think we're making a fourth I would also 1262 01:50:05,540 --> 01:50:12,620 really like for them to give Andrew Garfield that third spider-man movie and 1263 01:50:12,620 --> 01:50:21,220 putting him up against that so much yeah put him up against Tom Hardy's venom that would be 1264 01:50:21,220 --> 01:50:27,380 freaking sick too that honestly I think I'd actually want to see Tom yeah Tom 1265 01:50:27,380 --> 01:50:32,580 Hardy's venom face off against Garfield's spider-man more dude how cool 1266 01:50:32,580 --> 01:50:39,100 would it be if Tom Hardy's venom ended up being the venom for both Garfield 1267 01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:46,180 and Holland that'd be pretty badass that would be the shit I would love that 1268 01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:53,780 that'd be pretty awesome oh but yeah so anyway you guys can tune in next week to 1269 01:50:53,780 --> 01:51:01,020 our breakdown of venom the last dance yeah we'll be doing that next week but 1270 01:51:01,020 --> 01:51:06,420 until then this has been the all bros podcast I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan and 1271 01:51:06,420 --> 01:51:13,220 we will catch you guys next week deuces see ya