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What is up bros, I'm Jonathan.

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And I'm Caleb.

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And we are.

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Oh sorry.

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Yes, I'm sorry.

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I should.

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So, sorry.

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As you can see, I'm bad when I lead episodes.

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Caleb usually is a great leader in episodes.

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I'm not great.

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So we are joined by our special guest, author Douglas A. Burton.

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And very exciting because he's going to help us break down one of the honestly best sequels

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I've seen in a horror thriller genre on this episode.

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I say it's very exciting.

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I think if you guys have listened to this show for a while, you already know who me

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and Caleb are.

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You know that we're two dudes that are striving to make sure that movies get the grades that

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they deserve.

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And trying not to be as biased.

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And Caleb, I tried to abbreviate what we usually say and I just butchered it and I'm very sorry.

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You're leading it dude, I don't care.

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Well, I do like your system because like you said, instead of just being like, I love it,

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I hate it.

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You break it down and you see where maybe a movie might falter, even if you love it

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and where it really shines.

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So you guys have a good system.

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Thank you.

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But Douglas, is there anything you want to let people know about you?

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Get to know you before we break?

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Yeah, I'm one of the bros.

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There's millions of us out there.

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And I watched all these movies.

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I grew up in the 80s mainly and I watched a lot of the movies from the 80s.

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And then also some of the late 70s movies.

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I think last week you guys covered Alien, which was 1979, all the way through.

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So I'm a huge movie buff.

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I like comic books, but movies and I think books have been my real love.

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And I used that passion to write my own stories.

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And I had a debut historical fiction novel that took place in the Byzantine Empire.

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And while writing that, I developed an alternative approach to story structure that no one had

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yet.

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So I spent the last four years just hammering this thing out.

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It's really an alternative to the hero's journey.

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It stems from a love of film.

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And I studied several books, movies, comic books and TV shows that were heroine centric.

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And Aliens is one of those movies, as was Alien.

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I looked at stories that had elite heroine and I just tried to see if there was any patterns

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in there that maybe were not as obvious.

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And what I ended up coming up with was something that it's an alternative to the hero's journey.

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First, for writers, if the hero's journey wasn't working with the story you were writing,

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take a look at the heroine's labyrinth, is what I call it, because it's an alternative

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and it might work better for your story.

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So are either of you guys writers by any chance?

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Not even a little bit.

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English classes were once that I was like, I was kind of good at.

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I would get like, I would write papers or stories and stuff for like my teachers.

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And there was one that we had to write a whole story based off something that happened in

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real life and had to be like certain lengths long or whatever.

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I wrote this paper like the day it was due and completely like made it up.

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And she came to me after she had like graded it because she was concerned about what I

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wrote.

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She's just like, this is like some really intense stuff for someone your age to have

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gone through.

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And I'm like, sure.

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Like, yeah, yeah, really, really sticking with me.

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Yeah, to this day, I still do not remember what I wrote.

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I'm pretty sure I know what teacher he's talking about.

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Is it Mrs. Walker?

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It is absolutely Miss Walker.

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You know what?

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Somewhere in the world today, Mrs. Walker is telling the story.

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I had one of my students tell me about this thing that happened, which was insane.

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By the end of class, I feel like I'd given her PTSD because she, my brother, my younger

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brother had her class a couple of years after I had graduated.

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And she saw the matching last name, looked up at him and he said, just gave him the dirtiest

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look.

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And then then she realized he's he's nothing like me.

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And then she was fine.

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Oh, man.

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Yeah, that's wild.

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I'll be honest.

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I hated English when I was in school as well.

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It's like math.

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It's like grammar and punctuation and all those rules.

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It was like math and I hated it.

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But once I realized I needed it, I changed my attitude.

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I realized it's really not math.

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It's clarity.

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And if you learn the rules, then your language becomes really clear.

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And it really helps you as a writer.

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So I had to learn by necessity, not because I wanted to.

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It's funny how we find a need for that as we get older.

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As a kid, they're like, this is a dangling participle.

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I'm like, dude, I don't care.

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I don't care what you call this.

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I don't want to learn it.

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Well, gentlemen, what do you say we just jump right in to what we got going on this episode?

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Let's do it.

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Hey, this is Mikey T. And the Grant.

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And William.

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And we are the Failing Hollywood Podcast.

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Yeah, we're a show that is real film crew with real cast that talks about real set stuff.

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Like what it's like to work 70 hours in one week, over nights only.

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And what it's like to bring coffee to actors.

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And what it's like to sit in a bathtub with a toaster nearby and be like, maybe I'll just

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end it all.

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What it's like to make love on a fake New York set when you're sitting in L.A. but wishing

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you were in Chicago.

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Nice.

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That that ad that wow.

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That's awesome.

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That's my favorite one, though, from Failing Hollywood.

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Love you guys.

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Well, getting right into this breakdown.

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This Caleb, is there anything else you want to add before we jump in?

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OK, we're going to go.

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Awesome.

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Well, since I feel you're the best at this, Caleb, do you want to let people know how

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we break down movies on this podcast?

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I would love to.

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If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories

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that we individually score to come to a final Albrose letter grade.

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The eight categories that we are going to be scoring our story, writing, acting, character

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development, effects, music, costumes.

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And then we're going to give it our own personal score at the very end.

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All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us

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a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.

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So first off, starting off a story, if you have not seen Aliens, you have had so much

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time to do so.

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So if it gets spoiled for you, sucks to suck.

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But Rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you in our favorite segment that we like

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to call Reading with Rose.

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Oh, it's not my favorite segment.

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So I want to point that out right now.

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But we will be posting that spoiler warning now.

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So if you listen beyond this point, anything's spoiled for you.

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Sorry.

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Yeah, five.

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Yeah, five seconds to reach minimum safe distance.

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You've also had almost 40 years.

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So it's just.

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There was some wiggle room in there, but we've run out of that.

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Ellen Ripley has been in stasis for 57 years aboard an escape shuttle after destroying

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her ship, the Nostromo, to escape an alien creature that slaughtered the rest of the

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crew.

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She is rescued and debriefed by her employers at the Wayland, Utah, Utah, Neutani, OK,

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corporation who are skeptical about her claim of alien eggs in a derelict ship on the Exxon

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Moon LV 426 since it is now the site of a terraforming colony.

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After contact is lost with the colony, Wayland, Utah representative Carter Burke and Colonial

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Marine Lieutenant Gorman asked Ripley to accompany them to investigate.

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Those are some big names, geez.

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Yeah, they don't play with the frickin name.

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Still traumatized by her alien encounter, she agrees on the condition that they exterminate

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the creatures Ripley is entered.

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I don't know why I had to comprehend the sentence I just read.

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Ripley is introduced to the Colonial Marines on the spaceship Sulak Sulak.

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Sorry, Sulak.

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So I'm just going OK, OK, awesome.

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But it's distrustful of their Android Bishop because the Android aboard the Nostromo betrayed

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its crew to protect the alien on company orders.

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A drop ship delivers the expedition to the surface of LV 426 where they find the battle

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ravaged colony and two live alien facehuggers in containment tanks.

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And no bodies are colonists except for a traumatized young girl named Newt.

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The team locates the colonists beneath the fusion powered atmosphere processing station

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and heads to their location, descending into corridors covered in alien secretions.

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At the station center, the Marines find opened eggs and dead facehuggers alongside alongside

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the cocooned colonists now serving as incubators for the creatures offspring.

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The Marine, yeah, that just sounds like a horrible way to oh, God, I can't imagine that.

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What do you mean sounds like?

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Did you watch the movie?

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OK, yeah, OK.

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The Marines kill an infant alien after it burst from a colonist's chest, rousing several

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adult aliens who ambush the Marines and kill or capture many of them.

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When the inexperienced Gorman panics, Ripley assumes command takes control.

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Takes.

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When you're experiencing reading with Rose, that's why we spell it with two E's.

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Ripley assumes command.

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When the inexperienced Gorman panics, Ripley assumes command takes control of their armored

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personal carrier and rams the nest to rescue Corporal Dwayne Hicks and privates Hudson

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and Vasquez.

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Hicks orders the drop ship to recover the survivors, but a stowaway alien kills the

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pilots and it crashes into the station.

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Out of ammunition and resources, the survivors barricade themselves inside the colony.

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Ripley discovers that Burke ordered the colonists to investigate the derelict spaceship containing

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the alien eggs and tending to profit by recovering them for biological weapon research.

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Before she can expose them, Bishop informs the group that the drop ship crash damaged

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the power plant cooling system and the plant will soon overheat and explode, destroying

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the colony.

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We volunteers to travel to the colony transmitter and remotely pilot the Suluoco.

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Sulacos remaining drop ship to the surface.

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After falling asleep in the medical laboratory, Ripley and Newt awaken to find themselves

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trapped with the two released facehuggers.

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After falling asleep in the medical laboratory, Ripley and Newt awaken to find themselves

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trapped with the two released facehuggers.

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Ripley triggers a fire alarm to alert the Marines who rescue them and kill the creatures.

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She accuses Burke of releasing the facehuggers to implant her and Newt with alien embryos

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allowing him to smuggle them through Earth's quarantine.

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The power is suddenly cut and aliens attack through the ceiling.

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In the ensuing fire fight, the aliens kill Burke, subdue Hudson and injure Hicks.

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The cornered Gorman and Vascoe sacrifice themselves to avoid capture and Newt is separated from

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Ripley and taken by the creatures.

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Ripley brings Hicks to Bishop in the second drop ship, but she refuses to abandon Newt

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and arms herself before descending into the processing station hive alone to rescue her.

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In their escape, they encounter the alien queen surrounded by dozens of eggs and when

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one begins to open, Ripley uses her weapon to destroy them all and the queen's ovipositor

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pursued by the engraving queen Ripley and Newt join Bishop and Hicks on the drop ship

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and escape moments before the station explodes, consuming the colony in a nuclear blast.

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Inside the Suloco, the group is ambushed by the queen who stowed away in the drop ship's

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landing gear.

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The queen tears Bishop in half and advances on Newt, but Ripley fights the creature with

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an exosuit cargo loader and expels it through an airlock into space while the damaged Bishop

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keeps Newt safe.

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Ripley, Newt, Hicks and Bishop enter hypersleep for their return trip to Earth.

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Beautiful.

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That was a beautiful summary.

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I tried.

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Thank you.

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I, I do have a note.

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I don't understand why Bishop had to be put in the hypersleep chamber if he's an artificial

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human.

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Maybe he, there's a recharge factor.

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I guess movie got a movie.

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I guess what else are you going to do with him?

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You can't like walk around or anything on the ship.

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He's probably like, look, just put me out, put me on one of those pods, knock me out.

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I'm happy.

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Dude, Bishop was on my suspicious list for a good portion of this movie.

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They really set you up to be a little suss on him because of the first movie with Ash.

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Yeah.

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And like when, when Ripley was like kind of freaking out about, about Bishop being an

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artificial life form, rightfully so.

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Yeah.

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And he's just like, Oh, what model was he?

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I'm like, why does, I don't give a shit what model he was.

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Yeah.

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He's like the older models were twitchy.

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Not, not me.

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Yeah.

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Like when he said that, I was like, what the hell are you talking about?

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Twitchy.

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Yeah.

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I tried to kill them.

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Yeah.

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Like try completely defective.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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100%.

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I enjoyed the bait and Swift now again.

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Oh, I don't know if I said this.

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I think I told you guys before we started, but I never saw, I saw this movie first before

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alien.

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So some of the context was lost on me because it was the first film I saw.

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I had not seen, you know, I didn't know about Ash.

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I didn't know about androids or none of that.

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So it is fun to go back.

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And as I watch now, you realize what the filmmakers are doing and trying to like misdirect you

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and like, keep an eye on Bishop.

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He seems pretty fascinated by these creatures again, you know?

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And of course he's not the one you got to worry about.

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Not in this one though.

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It was a little weasel Burke.

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Yeah.

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I would have shoved him.

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I'm so glad he got eaten by the xenomorph.

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Oh yeah.

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I'm so glad.

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I think that's one of the best things about these types of movies.

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Like the asshole always gets what he deserves.

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Yeah.

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You're in like one of the most hostile environments possible and you're the a hole.

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Guess what's going to happen to you?

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Something horrible.

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True that.

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Yeah, it was so good.

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This movie did really good.

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I feel like you could have watched this one without the context of the first and been

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pretty fine.

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Even with the thing with Bishop, if I didn't have the context for Ash and they explained

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it pretty well.

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They're just being like, oh Ripley's last ship had an artificial human on it and he

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malfunctioned or whatever.

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It's kind of like the only context I really needed if I were going into this blind.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's a great point.

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I was thinking in particular of the scene where he's like studying.

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They didn't tell you that he thought it was a perfect organism in the first film.

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So there was kind of this like worshipful, you know, android attitude.

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So the scene where Bishop's like dissecting and he's like, it's magnificent.

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That was the scene where you're supposed to be like, oh man, it's happening again.

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Oh man, I would have loved if I was Ripley, I would have lost my mind a lot harder than

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she did.

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Especially if I saw that, be like, nope, we're stopping that immediately if not sooner.

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Yeah, where's the off button on this guy?

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Well and what's cool is, and we'll get into some of this once we get to like writing and

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things, but what they did with Bishop and the android, you know, the arcs in this film

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are pretty astounding.

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And I'll talk a little bit more about that when we get to the writing segment.

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But yeah, there's so many thrills in this movie.

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This was one of the first rated R movies I saw.

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I was 10 years old and I had talked my dad in, you know, this was back when you would

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rent VHS tapes.

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And I convinced him to let me watch and my sister who's younger than me, we somehow convinced

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him to let us watch Aliens.

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And I'll tell you, scared the living shit out of me.

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I was so freaked out by this film.

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I was like, oh my God, I couldn't sleep.

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Just the images, there were so many horrible things that happened.

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So many like terrible deaths, like the scene with Hudson where he gets, you know, he's

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pulled into the ground and the chest burster comes out and that lady or when they walk

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into the substation and there's all those people cocooned.

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I was like, it was like pure nightmare fuel.

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And it took a long time for me to get over the fear of this film.

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And of course, the fast pace of it and the intensity and seeing guys who are like tough

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and high testosterone come up short, like by a landslide, that's just the stuff a 10

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year old doesn't want to see.

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Oh, I believe it.

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If this was my first rated R movie, like going off of my film history where my dad told me

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that all movies are real, this would have melted my brain.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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Holy crap.

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I couldn't even imagine like what 10 year old me would have done seeing this.

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Yeah.

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I, any noise, you know, when you're a kid, especially you're real sensitive to it, but

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any creak in the house, any noise, I was like, what is that?

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Like, I don't, I don't like that.

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You know, it didn't matter.

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I was freaked out of my mind.

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And then that's when I realized why they have rated R. I was like, oh man.

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I really wasn't supposed to see that.

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Oh man.

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I'm glad my, I, I salute my dad for being like, all right, son, you want to see it?

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You're on healthy, healthy doses of trauma is, is okay.

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Right?

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Healthy doses.

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Yeah.

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I, I've been the dad that I, I'll let her watch some of the stuff that I watch, even

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though it's a little bit more on like the violent side.

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Yeah.

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But I've given her the context that all movies and all TV shows are fake.

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Yes.

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And so she'll like see something.

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So I, it was, I was actually watching the, uh, the newest doctor strange and there's

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a scene where this, uh, this tentacle monster with like a giant eye, like it's just an eyeball

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with tentacles is like rampaging the city.

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And Dr. Strange throws a fricking lamppost inside the eye and rips it out of its, of

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its carcass.

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And I thought she was like playing on her, on her tablet.

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And then I like, I look over her just to make sure, cause I was, I was even like, Ooh, that's

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a little gross.

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I look over her and her eyes like could not have been bigger.

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And she like looked over me and she's like, daddy, was that fake?

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And I was like, yes, that was 100% fake.

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And she's like, okay.

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I felt so bad, but I'm like, yeah, I've had similar moments with my kids where, uh, and

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so we use the term term, uh, movie magic, you know, like, like you could see the horror

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on their face.

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You're like, Oh, it's just movie magic.

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And uh, like for whatever reason.

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So what's weird with the new generation of kids is they see all sorts of things about

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like, like they knew the whole story to squid game, but never saw a single episode because

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YouTube has skits.

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They have people making fun of it.

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They have dubs.

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They have, you know, recreations.

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There's all sorts of other contexts.

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So, um, for whatever reason, my son really liked it, you know, uh, Stephen King's it

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and we dressed up like it for Halloween and, and then he wanted to watch it.

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And uh, there's some pretty horrifying moments in that.

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I'm like, Oh, it's just movie magic, son.

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Don't worry.

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So,

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Oh man.

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Are we talking the new it or like the OG?

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The new, the new it is what we watched.

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I think the OG might be, um, for that, for them, it might feel a little dated for their,

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uh, viewing.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Not like, I mean, Pennywise never really scared.

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I mean, yeah.

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Pennywise never scared me, but I will admit like when he like crawls out of the fridge,

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Oh yeah.

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I'm seeing like that still gives me goosebumps.

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I freaking love that scene.

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Well, and they do this like glitching, like where he's moving funny and you could just

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see like the kids are like, I don't know why, but that I don't like looking at that.

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And it's like movie magic.

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I don't know why my body's telling me to run

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fights or I'm going to go with flight.

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Speaking with that though, kudos to Bill Skarsgard who played Pennywise because every single

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after every single take, he'd make sure that the kids were okay.

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Like I hope you,

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Oh really?

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Yeah.

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He would like go right back into bill and be like, Hey, are you okay?

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Like I hope I didn't scare you.

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Just that was honestly scare me more.

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Are you guys okay with that?

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My favorite is for the final battle of the first one when it's all the, you know, kids

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versus Pennywise before one of the takes, he's going around and high-fiving all the

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kids and he's just like, all right, who's ready to beat the shit out of me?

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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Getting into this story.

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This fixed the issues I had with alien with it be like, so this one was, I want to say

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the same amount of time or it was, it was slightly longer, slightly.

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Yeah.

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It was just a little bit longer.

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But this didn't feel as long as alien did.

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Well they also trimmed up the opening credits.

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It was very brief.

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I'm sure Caleb loved that.

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I was paying attention.

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I was paying attention.

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I was just like, all right, your guys are like walking a real fine line here.

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And then they, then it like completed.

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I'm like, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They, they put a few names up there and then they moved on pretty quick.

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And, and it's funny since, cause I rewatched it last night.

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And after I had heard your analysis of alien, I was a little bit more sensitive.

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Like I've seen these movies enough to where I some, maybe I might not catch a few things.

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So I was like, how long are the opening crowds?

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I was like, okay, Caleb should be okay with this.

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Yeah, I absolutely was.

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I was, I was hesitant.

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I was just like, this is going to set the tone for me.

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And now luckily they, they stayed there.

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Welcome.

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And then they moved on.

447
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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But yeah, I mean, the rest of the movie though, what was paced so well, like even the moments

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that I felt were a little slower in just like overall tone were still like pretty exciting.

451
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Yeah.

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There was some tension in a lot of those slower moment or quieter moments.

453
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Yeah.

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Like I think into when Ripley's like getting underneath the bed with Newt, like that was

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such like one of those moments that it was just silent for a decent while then immediately

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kicked on into overdrive once she's like, wait a minute.

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Yeah.

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The, the, the, like the alien itself and there's different forms of the, you know, there's

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the, there's the facehugger, there's the chest burster, and then there's the xenomorph.

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And then this movie introduces the alien queen.

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So that's four different versions.

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Like each one is kind of like totally horrific and totally different ways.

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And they, because they knew that it feels like they could take a slow scene and be like,

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but there's facehuggers nearby.

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So like that just because of that, you're like, oh my God, I don't, I don't feel comfortable

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in this, like going to sleep in this room.

467
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You know?

468
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Absolutely.

469
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:46,560
Yeah, dude.

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True.

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And what freaks me out more between like what freaked me out the most was the tiny little

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chest popper out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't even know what to call that.

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The baby morph.

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They call it the chest burster.

478
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The chest burster.

479
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Yeah.

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The chest burster freaked me out in the first one.

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The facehuggers got me this go round and I think it had to do with the fricking like

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extra like mouth that was like popping out.

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I was like, oh, can't do that.

484
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,040
Yeah man.

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It's not cool, dude.

486
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Like they actually designed it off the idea of forced insemination.

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So it was supposed to be a creature that can assault male or female.

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Didn't matter.

489
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,160
So the idea was that males are just as vulnerable.

490
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,400
And yeah, I mean, it's, it's horrific and it grabs you around the neck with it.

491
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,680
And the tail and then it grabs your face and it shoves that thing down there and you're

492
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,680
done.

493
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,680
You know?

494
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Yeah.

495
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,400
I don't think that's something that was like super well portrayed in the first.

496
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440
I didn't realize that they wrap like around the neck with the tail.

497
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:11,160
Oh, so like I might, I might have missed it or something, but like this go round when

498
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:16,600
I was just like, like, couldn't you just like kind of pop or like pry these things off,

499
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,600
pop them off?

500
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,320
Or like, is it like, once they get that thing in your mouth that you're trying to like screw

501
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,680
it, like what's the deal with?

502
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,200
And then it wrapped its tail around her neck and was like pulling itself.

503
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,200
I was like, oh no.

504
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,200
Yeah.

505
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,800
There is a scene in the first one.

506
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:37,560
Like, yeah, well, it totally there, there is a scene in the first movie where they tried

507
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,720
to move the finger and they show the tail tightening around the neck.

508
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,720
Like they would sit like that.

509
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,720
It would choke them.

510
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Oh, yeah.

511
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:50,120
Well, dude, when, if you see a movie once, you're not going to, you know, there's no

512
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,000
way to catch every little thing.

513
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,320
But, but yeah, they, they, once they get a hold of you and this one, they did a good

514
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,080
job at like whips around her neck at one point and grabs her and she's trying to hold it

515
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:07,520
off and, you know, I don't know, I would never want to be in a room with one of those things

516
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:14,680
and, and it looks like the new movie coming out, Alien Romulus is really emphasizing these

517
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,680
facehuggers.

518
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,880
Did you get, you guys saw the trailer?

519
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:18,880
It sounds like,

520
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:19,880
Oh my gosh.

521
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,000
I, I saw that shit in a XD Cinemarks version of IMAX and oh my God.

522
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Honestly, it looks good.

523
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,920
It really does.

524
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Like after, like I kind of want to see that on the biggest screen possible, but at the

525
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,680
same time I don't because I feel like I'm not going to be able to keep down my popcorn.

526
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Well, you said that you are kind of a horror guy.

527
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,280
Right?

528
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Yeah.

529
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:52,240
So like, I'm weird, like sometimes like that kind of stuff, like, you know, like all like,

530
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,080
like I don't see myself like throwing up or anything like that, but like actually like

531
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,360
when set that a little bit, but like, you know, like put like Michael or Jason in front

532
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,760
of me and like have them like stab and slit 50 people a million way, like a million ways.

533
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,600
Oh, it doesn't faze me at all.

534
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,600
But but an alien is a little different, a little bit interesting.

535
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,560
I think it's probably just cause I'm like so used to slashers.

536
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,200
Like that's what I, cause the first slasher I watched, it was either Halloween or child's

537
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,840
play and that was when I was like six or seven.

538
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Yeah, my, my, my, my, my parents weren't that great at keeping that stuff away from me and

539
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,680
my sister.

540
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:44,920
But, but so like, you know, for how long I've been exposed to that kind of, that kind of,

541
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,160
those kind of movies, like that stuff doesn't faze me whatsoever anymore.

542
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:55,480
But like this, this kind of stuff, alien, this is new territory for me.

543
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,400
It's like, maybe it's like, I watch more, like I'll get more used to it, but just like,

544
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,760
there were moments throughout of this, like when the xenomorph would like pop in, I'm

545
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,000
like, oh shit.

546
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000
Yeah.

547
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
You know what it is?

548
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,480
You know what it is?

549
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:15,200
It's the difference between with like Michael and all those other classic horrors, something

550
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:20,640
outside goes inside with alien, something inside comes outside.

551
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:21,640
Yeah, man.

552
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,560
And, and people are like, kill me, kill me.

553
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Like they would rather die than have this thing pop out.

554
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,880
Yeah, I think it's that.

555
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,940
Cause that dude, like that scene in the new Romulus trailer where she holds the light

556
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:43,920
to her back and you see the thing like moving around like my whole body, like just, you

557
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,600
know what scene got me in the trailer?

558
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,940
Uh, and it's not that big of a deal, but maybe it's just psychological.

559
00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:55,960
It looks like they're in some sort of like, um, science lab with like face hugger incubators

560
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,760
and one like slides out and splashes down and there's someone with their back and you

561
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,360
could see it swimming up right behind the head.

562
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,920
I'm like, Oh dude, you're already at man.

563
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:07,920
Like you're not going to get out of that.

564
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:08,920
You're done.

565
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,720
It's like, I know it's like being in a swamp with a crocodile, like you're, you're, you

566
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,040
have no chance, you know, whatever.

567
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,040
You are done.

568
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,960
You could as well try to like, try your best to snap your own neck.

569
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160
Oh man.

570
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,840
But, uh, but yeah.

571
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,880
Oh, and what's funny is, uh, I heard you guys were talking about some of the practical effects,

572
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:39,080
um, from alien and, um, the face hugger and how it moved, they got better in this one

573
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,280
in aliens when that thing was coming after Ripley in that one scene and jumps at her.

574
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,480
It's so, it's still creepy.

575
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,480
Amazing.

576
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Yeah.

577
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,480
That will be accurately depicted or it's going to get some, some fricking props and, and

578
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:55,480
effects.

579
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,480
Oh my gosh.

580
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Um, but yeah, like, so just, I mean, just story wise, I really liked that they kind

581
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,080
of kept with the same.

582
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,080
I don't even know.

583
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,920
Like how does it like properly describe this?

584
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,000
Like what it's kind of like what they did Ripley.

585
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,440
Like where, don't like, she was the only one that was like, we need to follow protocol

586
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,440
on this.

587
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,320
And she was the one kind of getting screwed.

588
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,000
And then it was the same deal with this.

589
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,120
She's just like, Nope, we need to fricking nuke this planet.

590
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,960
Like, like we need to be getting rid of this.

591
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,760
They're like, Oh no, there are colonizers there, which this has actually changed my

592
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,400
stance on being a colonizer now.

593
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,160
You guys remember my rant from the last episode?

594
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:50,280
Um, but yeah, it's like same deal where she's like, no, like these things, like they need

595
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,720
to be destroyed.

596
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,400
And they're just like, you're talking about genocide.

597
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,800
No, like she's like, yeah, like exactly what I'm talking about.

598
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,920
And like pull a punch about it or like try to justify it.

599
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,640
She's like, no, they're like annihilated.

600
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
Yeah.

601
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:11,200
And her, her freak out at the fricking boss who was just like, Oh, well you blew up some

602
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,000
like super expensive equipment.

603
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,200
I'm like, screw your equipment, bro.

604
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,360
Yeah, that was bullshit.

605
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,360
Yeah.

606
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:24,520
And so I was kind of like, I was feeling like what she was going through really well and

607
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,960
just like just the bullshit, her just being like so over it.

608
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,080
And then when she eventually like takes over like command of the Marines and everything,

609
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:42,680
like after the lieutenant or whoever just can't fricking cut it, which dude, when he

610
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:49,080
nothing is more accurate than the Marines putting someone that doesn't have any experience

611
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,600
on something that is somewhat important.

612
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,240
How many drops is this?

613
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,240
Like 38.

614
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,440
But like how many combat drops?

615
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:04,040
He's like, uh, two, including this one.

616
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,080
Dude, I make, they fricking got me with that.

617
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,160
Cause when he was like 38, I'm like, okay, maybe he just gets a little like seasick.

618
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Yeah.

619
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,400
Like when they're breaking in and he's just this, and then he hit me with simulated.

620
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,880
I'm like, God damn it.

621
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,880
Yeah.

622
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Cool.

623
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,880
Yeah.

624
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,800
And he, um, he lives up to the moniker.

625
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840
You know, he, he doesn't perform well as a lieutenant.

626
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,840
He's not decisive.

627
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:34,520
Uh, he freezes up, uh, under pressure and, um, you know, he, he was getting mad at Ripley

628
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,960
for taking over like, or basically trying to call the shots.

629
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,320
And he's like, what are you doing?

630
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,720
I'm like, what the hell are you doing, bro?

631
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,720
Yeah.

632
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,720
Yeah.

633
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:48,000
And what's interesting is, uh, that was, that was the moment that Ripley really emerged.

634
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,800
That was her first moment where, and you know, and these are colonial Marines.

635
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,000
They're not like, uh, accountants coming out there and be like, Hmm, let's see.

636
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,200
Uh, these are Marines, these are tough guys and, uh, they're, they're fighting and they're

637
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,560
in, they're in the fight of their life.

638
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:11,400
And the lieutenant is indecisive and she takes action and, and, uh, it's so, she's so convincing.

639
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,400
And uh, I loved it.

640
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,400
You're right.

641
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:19,040
The guy, the guy gets mad cause he's, he's that scared to go in there and she is absolutely

642
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,040
not.

643
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,960
She's like, we have to save them now or they're all dead.

644
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,960
Yeah.

645
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:29,000
I think that's one of the things that like really highlighted this as a character thing,

646
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,040
Caleb, fricking slow down.

647
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:38,360
Um, yeah, I'll, I'll address that in, in character development.

648
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,920
Cause I loved her, her growth in this.

649
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:51,680
Um, but yeah, story beat wise, I, this was really, really well put together.

650
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,800
It was action packed like all throughout, like every, everything in the story, like

651
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,640
made sense.

652
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Reactions made sense.

653
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:04,280
Cause like all these like bad asses, they come across something that they don't know

654
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,280
how to deal with.

655
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,720
And then they're like, they're thinking it's some like fairy tale, like they go in like

656
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:12,680
acting like it's just, it's like, Oh yeah.

657
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,680
Aliens.

658
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:19,920
They're acting like it's no big deal, but it's like the biggest of deals.

659
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:25,240
And then they like realize this and it's just, they get all the types of messed up.

660
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:26,880
Like it's, it's crazy.

661
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,880
Like I'm very overconfident, super well structured.

662
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:40,160
And like, I loved like the, the tension they built when Ripley came face to face with the,

663
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,160
the alien queen.

664
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,160
Oh yeah.

665
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,160
That was fantastic.

666
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Yeah.

667
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,480
And like, she was like, I'll do it.

668
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,320
Like I'll kill these eggs.

669
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,320
And that the alien queen like sent her guards away and then she's like letting her back

670
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,320
up.

671
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,720
I'm like, okay.

672
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:03,080
Like, like she has attachments to these, do these creatures like, which is kind of interesting

673
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,080
to see.

674
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:10,040
Cause like, I feel like other instances where there's like a queen and it's like in charge

675
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,720
of every, she doesn't really care about all the little grunts.

676
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:14,720
Oh yeah.

677
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,220
That's a good point.

678
00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:19,200
But this was nice that she actually seemed to care.

679
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,280
And then, yeah.

680
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,160
And then Ripley goes and does her dirty.

681
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,160
And I'm like,

682
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:34,320
Yeah, I was like, I was like, honestly, that's more on that, that eggs timing than the alien

683
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,320
queen.

684
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,040
And I wasn't the queen's fault.

685
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,040
That's right.

686
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Yeah.

687
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200
And then it's like, I understand where Ripley was coming from.

688
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,800
And I also understood where the alien queen was coming from.

689
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,800
Yeah.

690
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,680
She freaking ripped herself off her little perch and just like ready to go ham.

691
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,680
I'm like, hell yeah.

692
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Oh yeah.

693
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,080
This is just, this is the peak woman on woman fight.

694
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,080
Totally.

695
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Yeah.

696
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080
100%.

697
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,080
Oh, so good.

698
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:10,800
Oh, and when she came out in that fricking, what, what do you call those?

699
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,800
The loader.

700
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,800
The loaders.

701
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,800
Yeah.

702
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:14,800
I was like fricking a.

703
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,800
Yeah.

704
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:22,640
And they set the scene up earlier in the movie, you know?

705
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,680
So good.

706
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,880
So freaking good.

707
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,880
I loved her.

708
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,840
She got like a couple pretty bad ass, like suit up scenes, like the first one where she's

709
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,800
like taping the, like the weapons together and then she's in the elevator and she, like

710
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,200
you just see her like getting herself hyped up and then she's like taking off her jacket,

711
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,640
like loading, like up all the guns, like throwing stuff across her chest.

712
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,760
I'm like, fricking a let's get it.

713
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:49,760
Totally.

714
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,520
And there's still some part of you that's like, what is she thinking?

715
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,840
Like you're going to take on the hive.

716
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,400
Like I remember watching that being like, I don't know how this is going to work.

717
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,560
You know, I just didn't know how she was going to handle herself in there.

718
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,160
And so yeah, it's a hell of a gear up scene.

719
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Yeah.

720
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,520
I didn't know how she was going to handle it either, but I was there for the ride.

721
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Hell yeah.

722
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,640
Hell yeah.

723
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,480
I think what's cool about like watching these or having only watched these for the first

724
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:29,400
time is I don't know anything outside of, like I knew about the loader, like kind of,

725
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,360
like I knew what the loaders looked like.

726
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Oh yeah.

727
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,160
And I knew that Ripley like used one.

728
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,680
I didn't know which movie she used one in.

729
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,080
Like I think we were getting down to like the end where she was like getting ready to

730
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:51,600
escape on the ship and like they like went back up to their ship and everything.

731
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:55,960
I was like, okay, maybe the loaders come in like in a different movie.

732
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,840
And then she like comes popping out and I'm like, oh hell yeah.

733
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:06,720
So like having seen that, I now know absolutely nothing of what's coming next.

734
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:10,840
Because so I didn't realize that she's in the third one.

735
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:11,840
Yes.

736
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:17,960
So yeah, so this was the one where I was like, oh, is she going to like, the stakes were

737
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,240
up here because I'm like, there's still a chance that she dies.

738
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:25,360
Because I didn't like, at least to me, because I'm like, I don't, like I said, don't have

739
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560
this future context of anything else.

740
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,800
And I don't like, I know all I know from her, like IMDB is the first two.

741
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,720
And I don't like, I don't remember having seen anything else from the other alien movies.

742
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:44,960
So for me, the stakes were like crazy high.

743
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,040
I'm like, they could freaking kill her off and there's not a damn thing we could do about

744
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,040
it.

745
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,840
Well, when this movie came out, no one knew if there was going to be a sequel.

746
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,600
So you know, in fact, when I remember the first time I saw it, when I was a kid, there's

747
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,280
that scene where the airlock is open and the queen is holding onto her foot and she's like

748
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,760
arm locking that ladder rung and then her shoe comes off.

749
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,640
My childhood mind processed that initially as her arm coming out of her socket.

750
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,040
And I remember I was like, oh, she didn't make it.

751
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,080
And then I was like, oh, she's fine.

752
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,240
Shit, she's climbing up that thing and she's like fighting zero gravity.

753
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,400
And I was like, holy shit, this chick's crazy.

754
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,600
But yeah, when I was a kid, I didn't think she made it.

755
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,160
I thought she had actually died for a good second or two.

756
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,800
Oh, man.

757
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,040
I love that.

758
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:45,680
Just like the lack of context is so good when you go into a movie like completely blind,

759
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,960
especially one that's like such a cultural phenomenon like this.

760
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Yes.

761
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,840
Well, and like you, there's times where people are telling me some movies are classic.

762
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,840
You got to see it.

763
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,800
And you know, I'm not immune either.

764
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,800
I'll watch it.

765
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:00,800
I'm like, OK.

766
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,560
Like, I guess it's a classic.

767
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:09,120
So it's you can be disappointed by my movies that have a lot of hype.

768
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,560
So I'm glad to hear that this one at least lived up to it.

769
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,360
You know.

770
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Yeah.

771
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:20,240
I am personally with story sitting at a 91.

772
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:26,480
I was phenomenal, like very, very few issues.

773
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,240
Any issues I had was just mainly with like other characters anyway.

774
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:33,840
So I'm sitting at 91.

775
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,840
Where are you guys sitting at?

776
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,560
Douglas, do you want to go first since you are the guest?

777
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Sure.

778
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:45,520
I I really enjoyed the story and my reasoning.

779
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,520
You know, you guys had a very specific criteria.

780
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,760
So I had I what I try to do is analyze it.

781
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,100
I think exactly the way you wanted me to, which is to isolate the one thing.

782
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:59,080
And then I also tried to figure out why, you know, why is it good, middle or bad?

783
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,880
And with this one, I gave it a high score.

784
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:08,000
I thought the story was excellent because they took a film that was a kind of a classic

785
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:15,080
horror setup, you know, where a crew slowly gets stalked down to the last person and it's

786
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,440
done in space.

787
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,380
And they really pick up right where the other one left off.

788
00:46:19,380 --> 00:46:21,000
So it's a sequel.

789
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
And sequels can be absolutely tricky.

790
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,960
And usually they're not as good as the first.

791
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,840
And this is clearly and it's following up what especially at the time was already considered

792
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:34,920
a classic.

793
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:42,600
So for me to take that story into a sequel and and run it into new territory and then

794
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,480
pick up the pace and change the genre, which is you have to have a lot of confidence to

795
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,480
do this.

796
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,960
You know, this was Ridley Scott and you're like, hey, I'm this new guy named James Cameron.

797
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,840
I'm going to go a different direction with it.

798
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,800
This could have been a disaster.

799
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:03,560
So to me, I thought the story was excellent because you're already you are forced to pick

800
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,760
up where the other story left off.

801
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,280
You're forced to stay within the canon.

802
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,560
There's some limitations on you in telling this story.

803
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,400
And they told the story about her coming back years later.

804
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,200
So they added this this caveat that we're leaping into the future and she and we saw

805
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,200
the main character.

806
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:28,720
You have a colony where the derelict spacecraft was from the first film and it gets exposed

807
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,020
to the colonists.

808
00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:34,160
And it's not it's not a coincidence like a lot of movies would do like, oh, she just

809
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,800
happens to wake up and now we have this problem.

810
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:43,640
No, because she wakes up, the corporate guy sends the colonists out there.

811
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:47,480
And it triggers the whole series of events.

812
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,680
The other thing I liked was that I guess we'll save some of that for logic.

813
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,680
I'll get into some of that.

814
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:59,600
But the idea of the of a colony being placed in close proximity, proximity to the original

815
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,240
derelict alien spacecraft, I think is ingenious.

816
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:09,480
And the idea of coming to this place from Earth from a safe place and arriving to find

817
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:16,240
this the powers on, you know, there's half eaten donuts and there's evidence of a severe

818
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,080
struggle everywhere.

819
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:23,680
There's barricades which are made out of like bed frames and air conditioning units like

820
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,120
it looks desperate and the barricade didn't hold.

821
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:32,960
And you get this sense this this this arriving at a place where it's been overrun and not

822
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,120
seeing either the aliens or the humans.

823
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,440
I just thought it was ingenious from a storytelling standpoint to put us into that scenario and

824
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:42,500
then to pull the trigger.

825
00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:48,080
And now you're being overwhelmed by these creatures over and over again.

826
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,520
And then also to advance the lore by introducing the Queen alien.

827
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,900
I thought these are these are ingenious moves for a sequel.

828
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:02,040
And in the end, we have a thriving franchise after this movie.

829
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,320
So I gave it a ninety five.

830
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:04,320
Is that where I left?

831
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:09,520
Yeah, I gave it a ninety five because I felt like to tell the story as a sequel and then

832
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:15,840
to deliver something new and original and unique and yet action packed.

833
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,880
It's incredible.

834
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,320
And I felt like I was in good hands pretty much the whole way through the movie from

835
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,320
a kid to today on a rewatch.

836
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,800
I loved it.

837
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,800
Yeah.

838
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,280
Oh, man.

839
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:43,800
So like I love when a it almost like I love mixing genres when it comes to like a trilogy

840
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,640
or like to any movie type.

841
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,000
I love when they're able to play with that genre a bit where it becomes like like how

842
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:59,120
this one did, like where it was it starts off horror and then the next one classic eighties

843
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:03,680
eighties movie action sequence art film.

844
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:09,440
And like if they were to like dive more and more into different things, like I love when

845
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,440
they're able to do that.

846
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:16,520
I think that's something that like draws me to like our films like in the MCU because

847
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,400
it's like there's a bunch of different types of I mean, it's all the same superhero movie,

848
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,040
but and the same thing with like comic books.

849
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,160
You get different types of stories depending on what story you're reading, but it's all

850
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,400
superhero.

851
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:36,040
And here it's like it's all alien, but different versions of the alien.

852
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Yeah, that's a great point.

853
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:44,360
And Marvel's a good example because there's so many films and they are all a little different.

854
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:49,760
You know, lately there's the criticism of the Marvel formula that kind of dead in some

855
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,360
form of it, but but that's more of a recent criticism.

856
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,920
Most of those older up until Endgame, I would say most of those films were were successful.

857
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,480
And you know, you have Thor Ragnarok, which is nothing like Iron Man.

858
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,440
And now recently you have Deadpool and Wolverine totally different tone there.

859
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,400
So you know, you're right.

860
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,320
Maybe there's something to changing or adjusting the genre that that revitalizes, you know,

861
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,960
long form storytelling through sequels.

862
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Yeah, that's a great point.

863
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,320
Where are you at, Rose?

864
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,560
So I'm just one point above Caleb at a ninety two.

865
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:33,160
To me, this story is though it's one of those rare sequel stories that like improves on

866
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:39,800
what you enjoyed about the original, but everything you didn't like about the original, they take

867
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,120
that away and just.

868
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,140
Just go with something new.

869
00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:48,720
And I love that James Cameron did that with this.

870
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,640
I honestly really appreciate it when directors can go a different direction, but make it

871
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,280
make sense in the lore.

872
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Like I believe, like you said, Douglas, just like I was so impressed with the story.

873
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:03,960
It flowed so well.

874
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,440
I love that they they I mean, I know it wasn't like right after the ending of Alien, but

875
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:16,480
I always love when a sequel picks up like right after the first one, like with the original

876
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,560
Halloween two, it takes place the exact same night as the first one, literally minutes

877
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:28,840
after Michael gets shot off the balcony, he gets up and continues walking the streets

878
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:29,840
of Haddonfield.

879
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:35,600
Bam, we enter Halloween to freaking love that because I love that those two can be

880
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:41,920
considered just like one movie and like in some ways you can consider Alien and Alien

881
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,160
to one movie.

882
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:49,880
In my opinion, I know the completely different genres and what directions that they they

883
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,880
took it in.

884
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:58,040
But just yeah, this is one of the best stories in a sequel I've I've ever seen.

885
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,920
Well and to your point, just comparing it to Alien, there's a lot more story in the

886
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,440
second one than the first film.

887
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:10,920
The first film was was much more limited on its storytelling than and some of it's because

888
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:15,640
of the genre, you know, horror is a little bit more confined by nature, but there's a

889
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,440
lot more storytelling in this in Aliens than in the first one.

890
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Yeah, absolutely.

891
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,280
Yeah, as it should be.

892
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,320
I mean, with action, you have you have to have a story when you went with action with

893
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,320
horror.

894
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,600
You just have to have a situation to run off of.

895
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,120
That's true.

896
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:41,440
Because because horror taps into a primal side of our as viewers, you know, the goal

897
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,720
is survive.

898
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,800
So you don't need to have a big story to activate primal survival mode.

899
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,800
But you're right.

900
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:54,800
When you're telling action, the action will be boring very quickly if there's no if there's

901
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,000
no meaning to it.

902
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,880
So good storytelling gives a lot of meaning to action.

903
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,920
Yeah, absolutely true.

904
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:16,080
All right, moving on over to writing, which is Douglas's area of expertise.

905
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,800
I'm not sure if we've ever done this, like in a way that's that's accurate.

906
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:25,800
We've always based this off of like the dialogue and how that that worked out and maybe like

907
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,520
how they set up some situations and and what how the jokes work.

908
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:36,280
Yeah, like how do you as a as someone who writes for a living, like how do you.

909
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,520
Well, I think I think what you guys are doing is perfect.

910
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,920
I listen to I've listened to a couple of you.

911
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,760
I listened to Frozen Empire actually was another full one that I've listened to.

912
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,400
So I knew that when you were talking about writing in this case that you were talking

913
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,880
about the dialogue, the script maybe.

914
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:01,440
And I think story is a little closer to maybe the the expansion of writing as as story.

915
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,560
So I did try to separate those out.

916
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,640
And that's why I was saying like from a storytelling standpoint, I thought this had really and

917
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,200
sounds like you guys did too.

918
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Really high marks because as a writer, if you were tasked with following up Alien, there's

919
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,520
a million ways to go nowhere.

920
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,680
And this like one way to do what he did.

921
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:27,820
And he found a way forward, which revitalized the story and did something that we quite

922
00:55:27,820 --> 00:55:30,560
honestly had never seen before, especially in 1986.

923
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:36,060
So and and I do think a lot of this and the action and everything held up.

924
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:40,600
So for me, I did judge it the way I think you guys were judging it, which was from dialogue

925
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,600
and script.

926
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,280
Yeah, all my notes, all my notes are based on dialogue and script.

927
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,560
So I think I'm in line aligned with you guys here.

928
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,480
All right, perfect.

929
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,960
So what this may be the like the one I'm a little harsher on.

930
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:04,120
So the I think my score is a little bit lower when it comes to writing.

931
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:12,640
And it's just because there was a lot of kind of like the cheesy 80s like catchphrases.

932
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,760
But then they threw like they threw in some gems.

933
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:23,400
Like I can't even count how many times I've heard the like what's his face?

934
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,600
The one dude that goes game over, man.

935
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:33,000
I lost it when I heard that because I'm like, that's this is the movie that comes.

936
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,240
Yeah, that's famous.

937
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:37,080
Like finally, I know.

938
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,080
Oh, man.

939
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,080
That's awesome.

940
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,400
Yeah, it is stuff like that.

941
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:47,360
And like some of the the cheat like the stuff from from Vasquez that's just like, I don't

942
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,360
even know what they are.

943
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,760
Just need to know where they are.

944
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,920
Like just just cheesy shit like that.

945
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:08,160
But like, I think they nailed a lot of the just the hazing that goes on between like

946
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,160
within a unit.

947
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,160
Oh, yeah.

948
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:17,080
Like, it brought me back to like when I was in my unit, like everyone just gave each other

949
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,800
a hard time and like you get roasted harder than anything.

950
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,000
And so I thought that they were able to take that pretty well.

951
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:30,960
It was just when they started to go on to like their own stuff, just kind of like say

952
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:31,960
stuff out loud.

953
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,880
That was like, OK, like chill out, bro.

954
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:44,360
I feel one line that I just freaking died at was when Ripley is with new and calming

955
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,000
her and she's like, oh, you know, like you need to get some rest.

956
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,200
And she's like, I can't, you know, like I'm going to have a bad dream.

957
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,760
And she points out her her doll and she's like, do you think that she has bad dreams?

958
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,240
She like, no, Ripley, because she's plastic.

959
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:05,080
Oh, my gosh.

960
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,840
That was amazing.

961
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:12,880
I've had that happen with my kid where I've tried to set up this whole thing based like,

962
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,360
oh, like she's like, oh, I'm afraid I'm going to have bad dreams.

963
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,080
I did this whole thing with my kid.

964
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,280
But I'm going to have bad dreams.

965
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:25,440
She has like a stuffed rabbit that she calls Hop that she goes to sleep with.

966
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520
And I'm just like, oh, well, bad dreams aren't allowed in this house.

967
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:29,520
And she's like, what do you mean?

968
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,120
I'm like, I told Hop that if there are ever bad dreams in your head that he has to eat

969
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,120
them.

970
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,680
And she's like, oh.

971
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,680
And I was like, yeah.

972
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,040
So Hop eats them.

973
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,440
And she's like, but daddy.

974
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:42,880
And then she like comes up a whisper.

975
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,400
She's like, Hop's not real.

976
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,640
It's like, damn it.

977
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Yeah.

978
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,080
And what's crazy is I had I have a similar story.

979
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:58,080
I my kids were a little nervous one night that the fire alarm was doing that because

980
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,520
the and they were for whatever reason, are freaked out both of my kids.

981
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,120
And so I was like, don't worry, dad's going to scare away all the monsters.

982
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:11,760
I was like, oh, and Jacob was like, dad, why would a monster be scared of you?

983
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,240
Because I'm dead, man.

984
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,360
Am I not scared?

985
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,680
He was so like, this is not going to work.

986
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,760
It didn't do anything to reassure him at all.

987
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:23,760
It was ridiculous.

988
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,520
He's like, great.

989
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:26,520
Now we're all going to die.

990
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,520
I was like, I tried to scare him away, I guess.

991
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,400
That was a no go.

992
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,400
Oh, my gosh.

993
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,400
Yeah.

994
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,400
The kids are so funny.

995
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:47,160
And that Yeah, that's that whole scene with new baby like laugh all types of out loud.

996
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,080
Yeah, they did nail that.

997
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,080
She was so funny.

998
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,080
She was a gem.

999
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,600
I freaking love new.

1000
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:57,760
She was great.

1001
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,240
And she had no prior acting experience, by the way.

1002
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:04,600
She pretty much came in and did this one movie and then quit Hollywood.

1003
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:06,880
And this was it.

1004
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,160
And she was phenomenal on a high note.

1005
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:10,160
Yeah.

1006
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:15,720
I mean, that's like Jordan hit that final shot and just stand in there.

1007
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,520
She crushed the role.

1008
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,400
Oh, my gosh.

1009
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,440
Yeah, she was so good.

1010
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:32,320
I think it helps to we'll get into this with acting, but having practical effects help.

1011
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,480
I feel helps with people's acting immensely, especially kids.

1012
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:41,840
Because, oh, yeah, with kids like you, if you have like, if you're tracking a ball with

1013
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,900
lights on it, like you can only do so much with with kids.

1014
01:00:45,900 --> 01:00:50,760
But like if you if you can physically see it, like with this freaking xenomorph and

1015
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:55,240
the face hugger and shit like, yeah, that's going to freaking scare like you're going

1016
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,520
to get genuine fear out of that child.

1017
01:00:58,520 --> 01:00:59,520
Totally.

1018
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,520
Yeah.

1019
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:05,160
The more the more realistic everything is, the more you as an actor can react to it.

1020
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,840
It's funny you say that because like with the original child's play and them wanting

1021
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:16,360
to make Chucky as realistic as they can and, you know, and use at the time as good of animatronics

1022
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,360
as they could.

1023
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,760
After every single take, they had to make sure that Alex Vincent knew that it was a

1024
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,820
doll, that it wasn't actually going to hurt him.

1025
01:01:23,820 --> 01:01:28,960
So that's that just proves that they did a really good job of making Chucky scary.

1026
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:34,880
Yeah, there's there's sometimes you're watching these movies and you you get you see the performance

1027
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,280
out of the child actor and you're like, like in The Shining.

1028
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:39,720
I don't know if you guys have seen that.

1029
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:43,400
But that kid I'm like, how did they get that little guy to do these scenes?

1030
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:49,120
Or or the Exorcist or The Sixth Sense like there's all these movies where there's like

1031
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,040
these child actors like delivering these incredible performances.

1032
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,600
And I'm like, man, I don't know if I could have done that at that age.

1033
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,520
Like these kids are acting crazy.

1034
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,920
You know, it's insane.

1035
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:02,920
Yeah.

1036
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:03,920
Yeah.

1037
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:11,800
The the ability of child acting, I feel has gone down since the 80s.

1038
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:18,280
Well, it's possible that they it might be it's possible that it's overly sanitized,

1039
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,440
kind of like what you were saying, Rose, where there's like some, hey, are you OK?

1040
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:26,600
There's probably so many rules and it's probably good that the rules are there to protect the

1041
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,920
kid or the child actors.

1042
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:34,720
But it is possible and this is just total speculation that it has watered down or, you

1043
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,880
know, soften the blow so much that the the performance has suffered.

1044
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,360
Who knows?

1045
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:48,800
Ma'am, I feel like adult acting has gotten better and then kid acting has gotten worse.

1046
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:49,800
Interesting.

1047
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,960
You I think you're right.

1048
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,520
I can't think of any major standout kid performances.

1049
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:57,520
That's what I'm saying.

1050
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,920
Like when I watch some of the older films, I'm like, oh, my God, that kid's like that

1051
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,240
kid's acting psychotic.

1052
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,120
You know, like that's creeping me out.

1053
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,920
And this kid had to act that way.

1054
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:07,920
So I don't know.

1055
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,920
You're right.

1056
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:10,520
There is something a little different.

1057
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,240
I feel I mean, I don't know.

1058
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,560
Like what's like the age range?

1059
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,560
Caleb, you would say that like you stop at like a child actor.

1060
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,320
Honestly, I'd put like maybe 16 is OK.

1061
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:28,680
Once you start getting into like being considerate, I'd say a more adult actor, I guess.

1062
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:29,680
That's fair.

1063
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:35,120
I mean, like if I'm thinking like kids nowadays that like I feel like actually like push the

1064
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,280
bar with their acting.

1065
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,000
Even I would say stranger things, you know, for the most part, all those kids are really

1066
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000
good.

1067
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:47,440
But, you know, bringing this up again, it the first one, all of those kids are absolutely

1068
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,440
amazing.

1069
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,720
Like even though like, yeah, Bill Skarsgard would, you know, make sure that they were

1070
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,280
OK in between each take.

1071
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,000
I feel that each of them did such an amazing job with being scared of Pennywise.

1072
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:01,000
Well, yeah.

1073
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,320
Well, they went more practical with that, though.

1074
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:05,320
That's true.

1075
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:06,320
OK.

1076
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,320
Yeah.

1077
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:12,920
Like Bill Skarsgard was actually crawling out of the frickin fridge like they they were

1078
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,560
doing real shit.

1079
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:15,560
Yeah.

1080
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:16,560
Yeah.

1081
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,480
Like if their their screams seem genuine, probably was.

1082
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,600
Yeah.

1083
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:32,600
But yeah, getting back to the writing of this whole thing, like I bet you it's probably

1084
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,080
just because of Sigourney Weaver.

1085
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:38,920
Her one liners were so much better than everyone else's.

1086
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,280
It was great.

1087
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:41,280
Yeah, absolutely.

1088
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,680
And we'll talk more about her with the acting, but you're totally right.

1089
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,680
Yeah.

1090
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,480
But hers were so cool.

1091
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:51,920
Like when she was just like, she called the alien queen a bitch.

1092
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:52,920
Yeah.

1093
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,760
And that's one of the most famous lines of all time.

1094
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,080
Get away from her, you bitch.

1095
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,240
That's that iconic line.

1096
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,520
Oh, man.

1097
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,560
She was so she was written as such a badass in this.

1098
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:12,880
She was like she didn't have to try it.

1099
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,320
I feel like Vasquez was trying too hard.

1100
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:17,320
Oh, really?

1101
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,320
Interesting.

1102
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:24,280
Like it's like it was either her or it was like how she was like getting hyped up by

1103
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:26,280
the the big dude.

1104
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,280
She's like, oh, you badass.

1105
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,280
I'm like, is she though?

1106
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:35,040
Okay, Drake, Drake, the other guy with the big gun.

1107
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,080
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1108
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:41,120
I was like, dude, like you just got like a hype man.

1109
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:49,080
Like like first off, no woman in a unit gets treated like that.

1110
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:54,920
Like they they get treated like just one of the guys they get roasted, I would say harder

1111
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,880
than everyone else.

1112
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,160
Like they have to have some like some tough skin.

1113
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,680
Like if you have a dude that's hyping them up like that, you're just like, dude, can

1114
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:08,560
you like chill like he will get fricking roasted for hyping her or trying to like.

1115
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:10,720
No, I know what you mean.

1116
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,720
What you're saying.

1117
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,520
Like it looks like he's giving her a free assist or something.

1118
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,280
Yeah, a little bit interesting.

1119
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,920
And and this is funny.

1120
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:29,480
I went into this movie having just seen a reel about the actress for Fescus being like

1121
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,040
a straight up white woman.

1122
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:35,680
Yeah, like born and raised Beverly Hills.

1123
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:39,760
Her family comes from like Russia and like all that good stuff.

1124
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:40,760
And I'm like.

1125
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:48,040
That's like when I saw her, I was like, this feels very uncomfy.

1126
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,240
Like not like knowing what I know.

1127
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:52,240
Yeah.

1128
01:06:52,240 --> 01:07:02,640
And yeah, anytime she like went all Spanish on it, because I was raised in a Hispanic

1129
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,240
household or like.

1130
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,440
That's not true.

1131
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,600
My mom did not speak Spanish.

1132
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,480
My mom was raised in a Hispanic household, so I have Hispanic family members.

1133
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:20,160
I don't speak Spanish for for shit, but.

1134
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,080
I am around.

1135
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:29,040
I've been around Hispanics and her pronunciation was just wretched.

1136
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:33,800
And it was like the frequency of how often she would like switch to Spanish.

1137
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,800
I'm like, hmm.

1138
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,800
Interesting.

1139
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:43,760
It was funny because it's like she she was doing like super common phrases to not not

1140
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,560
anything like an actual Hispanic would say.

1141
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,560
Like what a white person would think a Hispanic would say.

1142
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:57,960
Yeah, like they they frickin rode the stereotype hard and it it showed.

1143
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,720
I don't I don't even feel like I needed to like know that about that actress and know

1144
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,000
that she was.

1145
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,040
Not a native Spanish speaker.

1146
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:13,680
Her accent was a little all over the place, and like I said, this is an acting gripe,

1147
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,080
but it was just the like the dialogue.

1148
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:21,600
I bet she either asked to play it up or something and.

1149
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:29,640
I don't think it worked out quite as well as they were hoping.

1150
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,320
Trying to think of anyone else.

1151
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,600
That like stood out in terms of of dialogue.

1152
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,760
I like Bishop a lot.

1153
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:43,120
I thought his.

1154
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,120
He was a lot.

1155
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,200
I liked how he's a little bit more upfront about everything, especially knowing now that

1156
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:54,800
he was at like genuinely good and all of the stuff with the face hugger was just genuine

1157
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:55,800
interest.

1158
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:56,800
Right.

1159
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,720
And not like anything shady.

1160
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,480
Like I like that a lot.

1161
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:09,120
I felt his dialogue was really, really well done and Burke.

1162
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,120
He sucked.

1163
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,120
I freaking hated Burke.

1164
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,680
Corporate, corporate lingo.

1165
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,760
Man.

1166
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:21,120
Like frickin Ripley's line of like you sold us out for a bottom line.

1167
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,120
I'm like, like, get it.

1168
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,600
Yeah, that off.

1169
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,840
Yeah, she was great, man.

1170
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,400
I thought that was great dialogue.

1171
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:39,640
Yeah, like the conversation between the two of them was just so it's so intense.

1172
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:46,160
I loved it because like you could tell Ripley was ready to frickin flip a table and Burke

1173
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:53,080
was just doubled down like like one of these people was going to kill the other.

1174
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:57,840
Yeah, he tried to paint it like they were all becoming paranoid.

1175
01:09:57,840 --> 01:09:58,840
He tried to play it cool.

1176
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:00,840
It just didn't work.

1177
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:01,840
Yeah.

1178
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,200
Oh, man.

1179
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,200
But I like this a lot.

1180
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,680
Like I said, it's a few points slower than my story grade.

1181
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:15,120
I didn't quite crack the 90s with this one.

1182
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,480
I think I'm sitting like an 88 overall.

1183
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:22,720
What about you, right?

1184
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:23,720
Great case.

1185
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,520
No, yeah, no, I agree.

1186
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,860
So I'm going to be personally at an 89 and I feel just what bumps me up like one point

1187
01:10:30,860 --> 01:10:35,160
from Caleb because I was thinking around the ballpark as well.

1188
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,160
88.

1189
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:40,080
But it was especially like towards like the ending of the movie.

1190
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:46,880
Every line that came out of private Hudson's mouth to me was honestly really funny because

1191
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,520
it's exactly how I would react in this situation.

1192
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,440
Like I'd be asking the same questions freaking out.

1193
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,720
Like, yeah, so I can 100% relate to him.

1194
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:05,800
Yeah, he he was strangely cowardly and then brave.

1195
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,960
Like he really was on that fine line and he was tilting one way and then he tilted the

1196
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,340
other and then he went back.

1197
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:17,480
So I thought I thought he was he was technically us, the audience.

1198
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:21,240
Yeah, usually pick a character in these movies that represent us.

1199
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:26,280
In fact, I think Caleb, you were saying you hated Lambert with every fiber of your body

1200
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:27,280
in the first one.

1201
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,280
Oh, my gosh.

1202
01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:30,280
Yeah, she was.

1203
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:35,140
I'll tell you, she was picked to scream.

1204
01:11:35,140 --> 01:11:36,140
She was in.

1205
01:11:36,140 --> 01:11:38,120
Oh, God, someone's going to kill me.

1206
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,700
She was in a movie right before this and she was famous for her screening.

1207
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:48,080
And she auditioned to play Ripley and they're like, no, you're going to be Lambert.

1208
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,800
And your job is to be the audience.

1209
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,680
So that's why she was so like a screen queen.

1210
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,240
She was queuing us that these were all horrible moments.

1211
01:11:57,240 --> 01:12:01,440
Oh, and another thing I was going to add, because you asked, you said during the chest

1212
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:06,880
burster scene of the first film, you're like, I think one of the blood things burst early

1213
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,120
because the the reaction was so authentic.

1214
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,080
Do you remember saying that?

1215
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:12,080
Yeah.

1216
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:16,560
Ridley Scott did not tell them what was going to happen.

1217
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:24,240
So so they pinned him down and they said the script said just subdue him.

1218
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,680
So when they did the take, they were like, we're just going to subdue him.

1219
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,040
And all of a sudden it burst the blood burst.

1220
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:31,640
So that's why they're like, what the fuck?

1221
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,480
Like, that's why they're so freaked out because he didn't tell him he was going to do it.

1222
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:42,720
So you were totally, totally observant and on point that the reaction was bizarrely authentic

1223
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,920
because he tricked them into it.

1224
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:46,920
That is fantastic.

1225
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:47,920
Yeah.

1226
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:48,920
I was like, oh, man, he doesn't know.

1227
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:56,960
I was like, but he's totally all over the pulse of that because, yeah, he tricked them.

1228
01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,720
I love when that happens because that doesn't happen very often.

1229
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,720
It was great.

1230
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:02,720
Sounds like, oh, I can't.

1231
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:03,720
In fact, I made it.

1232
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,720
I was like, don't forget to tell them tomorrow how right he was.

1233
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,720
That is awesome.

1234
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,720
Like, was it the whole like the whole chest burster thing?

1235
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:21,160
The scene where it first pops, they all stop and freeze.

1236
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:24,480
And then he starts like flailing again and they jump on him again.

1237
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:28,120
That take was authentic because no one knew it was going to happen.

1238
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:32,000
But they knew eventually there was going to be a chest burster scene, but they were told

1239
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,200
that that wasn't going to be filmed for several days.

1240
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,200
So they weren't on guard for the chest burster.

1241
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,920
They're like, ah, what the hell?

1242
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,560
He's like, we're using that take.

1243
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:48,880
Dude, that is fantastic.

1244
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,280
Yeah, totally.

1245
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,920
It was great to hear you say it.

1246
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,920
Oh, love it.

1247
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:56,920
Absolutely love it.

1248
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:57,920
All right.

1249
01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,160
Where are you sitting with with writing?

1250
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,720
Did you say you said 89?

1251
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:03,720
I think, correct?

1252
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:05,200
Yeah, he did.

1253
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:06,200
Yeah.

1254
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,200
Okay.

1255
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,200
So I'm at 92.

1256
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:10,480
I'm just a little higher.

1257
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:16,640
And I have to tell you, it is possible I might be insulated from some of the cheesier lines.

1258
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,960
It's funny when you started to bring them up.

1259
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:18,960
I was like, oh, yeah, that's true.

1260
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,120
That is kind of a cheesy line.

1261
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:28,040
The Vasquez thing didn't affect me so much, probably be that that's essentially a newer

1262
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:33,640
criticism and it's a good criticism, but it didn't affect me until now.

1263
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:39,240
So I've had quite a long time to be comfortable with Vasquez.

1264
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,480
But only recently, I'm like, oh, man, they would never allow that today.

1265
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:48,800
So she probably does have some of the more stereotypical lines or some of the weaker

1266
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,240
lines in terms of the writing.

1267
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,360
But I still love Vasquez.

1268
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:55,840
I really do like her.

1269
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,600
I thought she was tough in this.

1270
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,560
I love her moment when they take the magazines away from everybody and she's the one who's

1271
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,360
like, we're keeping some ammo.

1272
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:07,360
Here you go.

1273
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:14,880
There was stuff about her that was definitely endearing like that because I'm like, I don't

1274
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,920
give a shit about this facility.

1275
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,720
This isn't invalidating what you said.

1276
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:25,000
What you said were very good points.

1277
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:30,520
I'm just saying, I guess I was able to watch this at a time where I didn't think about

1278
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:34,640
that or that wasn't an issue yet, so it didn't cross my mind yet.

1279
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,000
But all valid.

1280
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,280
It's all valid points.

1281
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,120
What I liked about the writing is I did think there was a lot of critical dialogue that

1282
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,880
was put into this that really worked.

1283
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:45,880
It helped you.

1284
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:51,680
At no point in the film was I lost in what was happening from a tactical standpoint.

1285
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,920
I understood when they were in the last stand situation.

1286
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,480
I understood how they were getting out through the vents.

1287
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:02,320
I understood the overconfidence coming in, the discussion to try to figure out where

1288
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,160
the colonists were.

1289
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:10,920
The dialogue made it very easy for me to go through the story.

1290
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:11,920
That's why I gave it pretty high marks.

1291
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:16,840
I'm actually not too far off from where you guys were, but I really did like it.

1292
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,580
The other thing I gave it a bump or into the 90s, I guess, is because this movie does have

1293
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:23,800
what's considered famous dialogue.

1294
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:31,440
To be fair, that wouldn't be something I would take into account from a first impression.

1295
01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:32,920
Because you wouldn't know.

1296
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,920
You don't know.

1297
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,160
You're not thinking, oh, that's an iconic line.

1298
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,480
That is affecting my judgment on some level.

1299
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:45,840
Get Away From Her, you bitch, is one of the most iconic lines of all time.

1300
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,000
You mentioned, game over, man.

1301
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,040
Game over.

1302
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,200
Totally famous line.

1303
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:55,120
You'll see it in memes, on social media.

1304
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,000
Another one is Carrie Henn, who played Newt.

1305
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,000
They mostly come out at night.

1306
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Mostly.

1307
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,040
That mostly line has become kind of a famous thing.

1308
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,360
You'll see it in Family Guy.

1309
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,480
It's in South Park.

1310
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:17,040
Apparently, there's a hashtag mostly on X or Twitter because of this.

1311
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:22,120
Some of the lines in this has gone on to legend status.

1312
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:26,320
I did give it an extra little boost for that, I think.

1313
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,680
Yeah, totally valid.

1314
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:29,680
Totally valid.

1315
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:32,280
Oh, man.

1316
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:37,560
All right, moving on over to acting.

1317
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,760
Going through this cast list.

1318
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:49,760
Starting off with the one and only Sigourney Weaver, who played Ripley.

1319
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,960
We got Michael Bain.

1320
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:52,960
Bain.

1321
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:58,040
Bain, who played Corporal Hicks.

1322
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:02,680
We got Carrie Henn, who played Newt.

1323
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,360
Paul Reiser, who played Burke.

1324
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,880
Lance Henriksen, who played Bishop.

1325
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,480
Bill Paxton, who played Private Hudson.

1326
01:18:10,480 --> 01:18:13,360
Jeanette Goldstein, who played Private Vasquez.

1327
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,360
That's it.

1328
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,360
Oh, is that it?

1329
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,360
That's our skin, your Rita?

1330
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:19,360
Yeah.

1331
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,920
All right, what's your guys?

1332
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:30,720
I assume we're all on the same page with our number one being Ripley herself.

1333
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:34,800
Yeah, I don't think there's any question.

1334
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:35,800
Yeah, 100%.

1335
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,440
My score is boosted a little bit by her, but I'll let you.

1336
01:18:40,440 --> 01:18:44,400
I think, Caleb, you usually lead us off.

1337
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:51,560
Yeah, I'm curious what your guys' other top two are.

1338
01:18:51,560 --> 01:19:00,600
I would say Carrie Henn, because her ability as a child actor to convey sort of a PTSD,

1339
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,320
because she's really closed off early on, and then she comes to life.

1340
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:12,480
And then by the end of it, she's leading a battered battalion of colonial Marines through

1341
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:13,720
the ventilation shaft.

1342
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,440
They're following her.

1343
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:16,440
She's in charge.

1344
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:17,880
She's like, this way, no, that way.

1345
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:18,920
I love that.

1346
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,440
And she's able to do all of those phases.

1347
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:27,520
So I think her acting performance was a huge boost to this film in total.

1348
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,720
Like you said, a child actor could blow it.

1349
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:37,200
If you look at some of the ones today, I always think of, do you ever see The Grinch with

1350
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:38,200
Jim Carrey?

1351
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:39,920
There's that little girl.

1352
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,140
She's adorable, right?

1353
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:44,920
But it's so obvious she's acting in every scene.

1354
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,200
She's like, yes, Mr. Grinch.

1355
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:55,600
So if the child actor, if Newt came across as a child actor being told what to say and

1356
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,640
it's obvious to her, then I think this film may not have worked.

1357
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:01,540
It's possible that it just wouldn't have worked.

1358
01:20:01,540 --> 01:20:04,120
So I think she did a fantastic job.

1359
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,240
I really appreciated Carrie Henn.

1360
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:15,600
I also really liked Michael Bean and Bill Paxton.

1361
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,940
They were kind of your older brother types.

1362
01:20:17,940 --> 01:20:20,440
One guy a little bit more, see like, hey, cut the nonsense.

1363
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:21,440
We're going to be serious.

1364
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,320
The other guy's like, hey, screw that, man.

1365
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:24,320
We're doing this.

1366
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,320
We're doing that.

1367
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:30,800
You had two older brother figures and then one guy cracks.

1368
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,280
So I appreciated their acting performance there.

1369
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:41,080
I loved Lance Henriksen as Bishop, as kind of a chilling and yet compassionate android.

1370
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,560
He's kind of a little bit of both at times.

1371
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:48,440
And I think he kind of hit that right on the head with what they needed, especially since

1372
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:51,580
they set him up to be the next Ash.

1373
01:20:51,580 --> 01:20:56,900
And then he turned, not only is he not the next Ash, this is the guy that comes swooping

1374
01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:59,320
in at the end.

1375
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,440
The big hero, you know, Ripley's out of moves.

1376
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:06,520
She played every card in her and then she's trapped on that platform.

1377
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,320
The Queen alien is coming out and she's like, close your eyes, baby.

1378
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,320
This is it.

1379
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,320
She's got no more.

1380
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:17,400
She gave up and then this guy comes bursting up behind her in a very heroic moment.

1381
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:18,400
It's a dramatic moment.

1382
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:19,400
And he saves her.

1383
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,800
So this guy ends up being one of the big heroes of the story.

1384
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,520
And I loved it.

1385
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:29,680
I loved that Bishop was one of the warriors in the end who came through.

1386
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:34,240
So I thought for the most part, a lot of the actors delivered.

1387
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:43,880
However, I have to say I can't I have to be somewhat cognizant of the fact that in terms

1388
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:50,800
of what makes great, like a 100 percent acting is range, the range that you would expect.

1389
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:57,680
And an action thriller, despite the performances, is only going to give us a small range of

1390
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:58,680
acting.

1391
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:06,920
It would be difficult for me to treat these guys and the actors and actresses as Casablanca

1392
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:14,480
or like I just don't think the subject material lent itself beyond a certain point.

1393
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:18,160
That said, Sigourney Weaver, it's not that she was just a good actor in this.

1394
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,680
She was nominated in 1987 for this.

1395
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,800
I know the movie was 1986, but the Academy Awards were in 87.

1396
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:34,600
She was nominated for best actress in a leading role, which is asinine for the Academy Awards

1397
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,920
to go with science fiction action thriller.

1398
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,200
More recently, you'll see some of it.

1399
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,560
But back then, absolutely not.

1400
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:47,160
Sci-fi was not well respected as a prestige class.

1401
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,440
And she broke that mold.

1402
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:51,160
She was she lost to someone.

1403
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:52,880
And to this day, I'm pissed about it.

1404
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,920
But she was nominated.

1405
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,160
That is awesome, though.

1406
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:58,160
Yeah.

1407
01:22:58,160 --> 01:22:59,760
Yeah, she was incredible.

1408
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,280
So my acting score was 88.

1409
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:07,160
I gave it I still think relatively high score considering the performances.

1410
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:13,680
But there were some like you said, Jeanette Goldstein had some some wobble.

1411
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:20,360
I actually thought Paul Reiser was mostly good in this, but I thought he was oddly cast.

1412
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:21,520
He was a comedian.

1413
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,000
So it was odd to see him in this.

1414
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,760
But 88 is what I gave it for its acting.

1415
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:31,720
It's spearheaded mainly by an Academy Award nominated actress.

1416
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:38,720
I just looked up the 87 Academy Awards.

1417
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:39,720
Yes.

1418
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:46,400
And yeah, the winner was Marlee Matlin for Children of a Lesser God.

1419
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:50,080
Oh, I don't even know what the hell movie that is.

1420
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:53,000
It was a big movie that year.

1421
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:57,880
But it's it hasn't it's not like memorable the way Aliens is.

1422
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:03,880
None of these are like the morning after the crimes of the heart.

1423
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,200
Peggy Sue got married and then Aliens.

1424
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:09,600
Like no way, dude.

1425
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:10,600
Totally.

1426
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:16,000
I like I said, there's a few things I'm still sore about with the Oscars.

1427
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:17,000
This is one of them.

1428
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,160
I just thought it's such an iconic role.

1429
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:25,360
And she delivered a prestige performance in a genre that was not considered prestigious.

1430
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,040
And I don't know, I really admire her for it.

1431
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,680
And I wish she would have won.

1432
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,200
I agree.

1433
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,960
Aliens did win for best sound effects editing.

1434
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,920
It won that year.

1435
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:42,920
And visual effects.

1436
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:43,920
Yep.

1437
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:44,920
Best visual.

1438
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:45,920
Oh, yeah.

1439
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:46,920
Okay.

1440
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:47,920
Much deserved.

1441
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:48,920
Yeah.

1442
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:55,960
Yeah, I'll mention some of the other wins as I actually categorize some of the nominations

1443
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,480
and wins in the categories that we have set up.

1444
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:02,000
So I wrote them all down for us.

1445
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,000
Awesome.

1446
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000
Yeah.

1447
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,360
Rose, what's your other your other top two?

1448
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,920
That's like a weaver.

1449
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,400
So I'm really going to agree with Douglas a lot here.

1450
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:20,800
Number two, going to give to Carrie Henn knew everything that he said about her.

1451
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,560
She was absolutely amazing.

1452
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:29,200
And honestly, one of the most amazing performances I've ever seen from a child actor.

1453
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:35,160
She just blew me just blew it out of the water.

1454
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:37,060
Like, fantastic.

1455
01:25:37,060 --> 01:25:44,680
Number three, I'd give to Bill Paxton, private Hudson, his his performance was just, it was

1456
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,600
just a joy to watch throughout.

1457
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:52,160
And I had a I had a really fun time every single time that he was on screen.

1458
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:58,920
It's so funny watching him in a role like a role where he's significantly younger, because

1459
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:06,160
I recently just watched a show and he was like the head guy of like a military group

1460
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,800
and everything and like leading these people like just like the hard ass.

1461
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:19,280
Watching this, I was like, holy shit, this is not that character.

1462
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,280
That's what yeah.

1463
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:25,600
Or even in Titanic, he's like the older, you know, mercenary guy on the ship.

1464
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:26,600
Yeah.

1465
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:35,360
But yeah, it's so funny to watch his role in in this because I really like Bill Paxton.

1466
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:41,760
Yeah, so when I saw this role, I was like, it shocked me.

1467
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:49,240
I love watching like actors that I've grown up with, knowing them as like adults and then

1468
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:54,160
seeing them do like their younger work, like what they did to get to the point that they're

1469
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,160
at.

1470
01:26:55,160 --> 01:27:03,920
See, that's so funny because a lot of guys my age, you know, this guy was like beloved

1471
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,080
in Aliens.

1472
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:08,240
So for us, I was like, oh, man, Bill Paxton starting to get old, man.

1473
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,680
Remember, he was he used to be Hudson.

1474
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:11,680
Now look at him.

1475
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:12,800
He's starting to slow down.

1476
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:13,800
So it's weird.

1477
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:17,160
Like I'm on the exact reverse cycle there.

1478
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,040
Yeah, it's it's so funny.

1479
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:30,920
Like I like today, I just watched The Rocketeer and Jennifer Conley's in it.

1480
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:35,480
And I am familiar with all of her like later work.

1481
01:27:35,480 --> 01:27:42,200
And so watching something where she's so young is it's trippy because it's like she does.

1482
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:44,960
She's aged like a fine wine.

1483
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:53,840
But she it's it's weird saying like her younger self because it's just like, oh, man, like

1484
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,440
just the contrast is fantastic.

1485
01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:58,440
Yeah.

1486
01:27:58,440 --> 01:28:06,080
Like, I love watching those are making those leaps in an actor's work.

1487
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:12,480
You know, it's hysterical is Haley Joel Osment was in Cobra Kai.

1488
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,160
And it was a very small role.

1489
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,680
And my kids actually love Cobra Kai.

1490
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:22,680
And I was watching it and I was like, you know, you want to see a movie with him when

1491
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,340
he was like your age?

1492
01:28:24,340 --> 01:28:30,920
So I put on The Sixth Sense and it's just bizarre watching the kids because to them,

1493
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,800
it's the same guy, but he's bearded and kind of different looking here.

1494
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,520
And he's obviously like 30 something.

1495
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:40,720
And now he's, you know, 10 in The Sixth Sense or whatever it is.

1496
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:45,560
So it is it is interesting watching actors or actresses across that age spectrum.

1497
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:46,560
You know?

1498
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,660
Yeah, it's it's it's odd.

1499
01:28:49,660 --> 01:28:53,640
It's like once you first get introduced to an actor, it's like they that's where they're

1500
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,720
kind of they live in your brain.

1501
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:56,720
Right.

1502
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:57,720
In front of you.

1503
01:28:57,720 --> 01:28:58,720
Yeah.

1504
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:05,160
Like I have like I feel like I view like we talked about a little earlier, like with my

1505
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:11,720
dad watching the Dukes of Hazzard, I always like the way that the the Dukes are stuck

1506
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,040
in my mind is how they were in the show.

1507
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:20,880
And so when I see them older, I'm just like, goodness.

1508
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:24,000
But in my mind, they're like permanently in there, like what?

1509
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,560
Mid 20s, early 30s.

1510
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:26,560
Yeah, man.

1511
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,320
The Daisy Dukes.

1512
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,720
I just saw something on her.

1513
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,440
Apparently she looks pretty good still.

1514
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,840
Yeah, I don't know.

1515
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:34,840
What's that?

1516
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:35,840
She looks fantastic.

1517
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:36,840
Oh, man.

1518
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:37,840
I still think so.

1519
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:41,720
But I also had a crush on her.

1520
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,480
So I think every guy in the world did, man.

1521
01:29:45,480 --> 01:29:49,200
I never watched Dukes of Hazzard as a kid, so I did not.

1522
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,200
Sorry.

1523
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,000
Yeah, Daisy Duke.

1524
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,360
She had those short jeans.

1525
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:58,560
Every guy was just enamored with her.

1526
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:05,200
Yeah, my my top two, I think we're all in agreeance.

1527
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:09,320
My number two is also Carrie Henn loved her.

1528
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:13,880
And like you guys pretty much covered everything that I would have to say.

1529
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:18,440
My number three, though, I'm given to Lance Hendrickson.

1530
01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:19,440
That's a good show.

1531
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:21,120
I loved his character.

1532
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:29,960
He was so he was so good at just kind of being like someone you were wary of and you felt

1533
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,160
like you needed to.

1534
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:40,800
This may have everything to do with how Ash was, but just he kind of had like the same

1535
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:46,720
intrigue in the facehuggers and the xenomorphs and everything that that Ash did.

1536
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,360
So he obviously didn't take it as far.

1537
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:52,520
He was like detached, though, still.

1538
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:53,520
Yeah.

1539
01:30:53,520 --> 01:31:00,120
So when he was the one that made the final like the big save of Newt, I was like, yes,

1540
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:04,680
like, yeah, like, yes, like this is the shit.

1541
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:11,680
I actually love that scene because it's edited so quickly and there's all facial expressions.

1542
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:12,680
I love it.

1543
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,560
It's so exciting to see him come back and save them.

1544
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:16,560
Yeah.

1545
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:17,560
All right.

1546
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,920
Where are you guys sitting with your acting scores?

1547
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:27,440
I was at eighty eight eighty eight and I'm going to match Douglas on that eighty eight.

1548
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:34,520
I might be a hair lower and it's just because of some of I feel like there was a little

1549
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:41,480
bit of overacting going on, especially when they're not necessarily because of Vasquez.

1550
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:42,480
I'm totally kidding.

1551
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:47,320
I mean, she was I mean, she was part of it.

1552
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:52,480
And I wish that I would have gone into the movie thinking she was Hispanic, honestly,

1553
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:56,480
because I think it's because that that reel was so fresh in my mind.

1554
01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:59,040
I was like looking for it.

1555
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,200
And that's like, yeah.

1556
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:07,120
So I wish that I could have watched it and then seen that just to see how I would have

1557
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:08,120
compared.

1558
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:15,440
But I mean, I try to set that aside, but I'm well, but it's still a valid aspect of the

1559
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:16,440
job, your judgment.

1560
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:22,160
I mean, it's it's definitely when you pointed out like the just tell me where they are.

1561
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,560
Like I've grown to love all these things, but I could totally see how.

1562
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:30,760
Yeah, that wouldn't hold up from a first impression or from someone watching it for the first

1563
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:31,760
time.

1564
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,440
Maybe maybe that's not such a great line.

1565
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:36,240
So I totally get it.

1566
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,240
Yeah.

1567
01:32:37,240 --> 01:32:43,080
I think I'm closer to like 86 in terms of acting.

1568
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,080
Like totally fair.

1569
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:49,800
Ninety nine percent of that 86 is going to Sigourney Weaver.

1570
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,360
Like I love her.

1571
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,040
I already loved her.

1572
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:58,360
This just made me love her again.

1573
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:04,400
I mean, this is she's in so many great movies and she's got so many great roles.

1574
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,760
I even liked her in Avatar.

1575
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,560
You know, like I loved her in Galaxy Quest.

1576
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,320
Like there's so many things I like.

1577
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:17,760
But this is I think she's at the top of my list of favorite heroines from this movie.

1578
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:22,560
I just I don't know of any heroines that are more bad ass than than her the way she was

1579
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:23,640
in this one.

1580
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:29,200
Like time and time again, she just comes through and and delivers it convincingly, you know.

1581
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,320
Yeah, rightfully so, dude.

1582
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:32,320
All right.

1583
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,520
Next up, we got character development.

1584
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:40,720
This isn't like this is the one that we usually do if it's not like the only one that we do

1585
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:43,160
logic for is like horror based.

1586
01:33:43,160 --> 01:33:46,120
OK, or actually horror.

1587
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:52,880
OK, I was going to say earlier then for writing that one of the things I appreciated was the

1588
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:53,880
logic.

1589
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:57,440
You know, sometimes in movies, characters behave and you pointed out even an alien in

1590
01:33:57,440 --> 01:34:00,880
a couple of cases where characters did things that you're like, what are you doing?

1591
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,320
What are you thinking?

1592
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,200
I didn't get too much of that from aliens.

1593
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:09,840
I felt that there was serious like right away they came to the conclusion we should nuke

1594
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:10,840
this place.

1595
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:11,840
I was like, good.

1596
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:17,200
The movie, they never make that such extreme call in movies.

1597
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:18,560
And she does.

1598
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,440
And they agree with her like right off the bat.

1599
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:26,400
So I was really happy that that the character seemed to be legitimately trying to get out

1600
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,960
of their situation and and coming up just a little short.

1601
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:35,880
So I saved that for this, but I'll punt it back over to to writing.

1602
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,680
Yeah, the.

1603
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:46,760
I mean, that being said, I think that the issue that some movies have is they write

1604
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:56,680
out a situation or just a conflict that has a pretty obvious solution.

1605
01:34:56,680 --> 01:35:01,800
And then it's like, OK, we need to make sure that they don't get to this conclusion.

1606
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:06,060
And so they do things against their own self-interest here.

1607
01:35:06,060 --> 01:35:07,580
There was an obvious solution.

1608
01:35:07,580 --> 01:35:13,220
It was just getting that solution in place because they had like they had so much they

1609
01:35:13,220 --> 01:35:14,220
had to do.

1610
01:35:14,220 --> 01:35:18,940
Like they had to like either wait out until they were rescued or they had to find a way

1611
01:35:18,940 --> 01:35:21,200
to get on the ship.

1612
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:25,600
And it's just like thing after thing just kind of kept getting in their way and made

1613
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:31,640
it almost impossible for them to like accomplish this this task, which is exactly what you

1614
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:32,720
want out of this.

1615
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:37,800
It's just you don't want it to have an obvious solution and you want it to be difficult to

1616
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:38,800
pull it off.

1617
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:41,360
That's where all the like the action comes in.

1618
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:42,680
Man, perfectly said.

1619
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,160
I agree.

1620
01:35:44,160 --> 01:35:47,600
There's nothing more frustrating than having an obvious solution that the characters either

1621
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:50,720
bungle around or avoid completely.

1622
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:57,960
And you're like, dude, nobody would avoid at least raising this possibility of this

1623
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:58,960
other option.

1624
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:00,920
So anyway, perfectly said.

1625
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:01,920
I agree.

1626
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:09,520
I don't like I'm very much like I really appreciate writers that the characters say exactly what

1627
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:14,480
you want them to say and then either fail or it doesn't work.

1628
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:16,360
And you're like, oh, shit, well, now what?

1629
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:23,600
You know, you're off balance as a viewer of a movie and that's those make for great films.

1630
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:24,880
Yeah.

1631
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:34,400
And it's just it shows off like getting in the character development, just the creativity

1632
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,200
that art like the main character has.

1633
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:43,520
So like watching Ripley like pivot whenever like something came in her way and like, all

1634
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:45,260
right, well, we need to do this or nope.

1635
01:36:45,260 --> 01:36:48,080
We need to do like, OK, we can't do that.

1636
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:49,240
We need to do this.

1637
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:56,640
And like almost immediately having a plan like backup plans upon backup plans and executing

1638
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,640
that as best as she can.

1639
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:05,760
And then luckily, you're working with a creature that is just impossible to gauge what they're

1640
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:11,240
going to do other than like attack on site.

1641
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:12,540
Yeah.

1642
01:37:12,540 --> 01:37:15,440
So it's just like, OK, maybe this is getting a little too easy for them.

1643
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:16,440
Boom.

1644
01:37:16,440 --> 01:37:21,560
Here's a here's a creature that came out of nowhere, which is totally within the logic

1645
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:26,200
of the the story you're telling.

1646
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:34,840
But I loved watching Ripley's growth through this, like starting off being like super like

1647
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:45,920
heavily PTSD up and like just waking up in a cold sweat and like just drenched and being

1648
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,800
like, yeah, I'm never going to that that planet again.

1649
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:50,800
Blamer.

1650
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:51,800
Right.

1651
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,320
And then it was it was challenging something that she felt strongly with that, like even

1652
01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,000
brought her to that because they're like, how many people are there?

1653
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:02,400
They're like 70 families and she's like, families.

1654
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,400
God damn it.

1655
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,040
Yeah, that's a great point.

1656
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:07,360
Actually, that's a great point.

1657
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:15,920
Yeah, that that was the the the the new piece of information that she couldn't quite shake

1658
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:21,920
after she said no to switch over to a yes, I'll go.

1659
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:22,920
Yeah.

1660
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:26,760
They didn't establish like Ripley wasn't a mother.

1661
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:33,320
And so did they establish any of that or not a theatrical cut that you watched in the extended

1662
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,120
cut?

1663
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:40,280
There's a scene after she meets Burke and she's remember, remember, she's in that boardroom

1664
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,080
where she's like, all this stuff that you guys think is important, you can kiss it all goodbye.

1665
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:48,720
And they're all those corporate people who are like really nauseating.

1666
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:54,920
Right before that scene, she's in a like park bench, like room on the space station.

1667
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:56,760
It's like artificial park.

1668
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:01,240
And Burke comes in and he's like, hey, let's get ready to talk about your deposition.

1669
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,760
And she's like, did you tell me about my daughter?

1670
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,840
Did you find out anything about my daughter?

1671
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,760
And he's like, let's not worry about that.

1672
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,360
Let's focus on the deposition.

1673
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,160
She's like, Burke, tell me about my daughter.

1674
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:13,160
And he's like, okay.

1675
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,040
And he pulls out some papers.

1676
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,880
And it's funny because it's like a sheet of paper with dot matrix printing on it.

1677
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,640
And that was in the future is ridiculous.

1678
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:25,840
But he holds up a picture of Sigourney Weaver's mom, I found out.

1679
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:28,120
So that is awesome.

1680
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,560
Yeah, it looks like Sigourney Weaver because it's her mom.

1681
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,920
Anyway, he goes, this is your daughter, Amanda Ripley.

1682
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:38,280
And she died five years ago at the age of 60 something.

1683
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:43,000
And Ripley literally starts crying and it's a good acting scene.

1684
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,080
She's like, I told her I'd be home for her 11th birthday.

1685
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,240
And she's like in tears about it.

1686
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:54,880
So they do set up that she had lost a daughter because she aged out when she was lost in

1687
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,300
space.

1688
01:39:57,300 --> 01:40:02,000
So there is that in the in the director's cut, but it is certainly not in the theatrical

1689
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,000
cut.

1690
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:06,440
Oh, man.

1691
01:40:06,440 --> 01:40:10,400
That would have added so much to her decision to go.

1692
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:11,760
Yeah, I know.

1693
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:16,320
I actually love I actually really liked that scene.

1694
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:19,600
I was talking to somebody semi recently who hated that scene.

1695
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:22,080
He was so upset about that in the director's cut.

1696
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:24,600
And I kept thinking, I don't know.

1697
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:32,960
I think that that that really contextualized her maternal instinct, which is clearly in

1698
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:33,960
play by the end.

1699
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:34,960
But it is in there.

1700
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:37,760
If you ever get a chance, you should check out the director's cut.

1701
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,200
There's some cool stuff in the director's cut.

1702
01:40:40,200 --> 01:40:45,240
There's a scene when they're barricaded in the thing and they have these giant sentry

1703
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,900
guns that are motion censored.

1704
01:40:47,900 --> 01:40:53,780
So if anything moves, it just and they set them up down these two corridors and the aliens

1705
01:40:53,780 --> 01:40:58,320
come down these corridors and the sentry guns are just like shooting everything until they

1706
01:40:58,320 --> 01:40:59,320
run out.

1707
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:03,000
So anyway, there's some cool stuff in the director's cut.

1708
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:05,520
Just what it's worth.

1709
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:06,920
I am pumped.

1710
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:14,880
My wife wants to do a chronological viewing of all the aliens and predators movies.

1711
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:23,480
And so, yeah, when we come back to back around to watch in aliens, I think we'll try and

1712
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:27,680
find the director's cut because that sounds sick.

1713
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:33,480
I would have been so down for that because like her like not knowing that it did feel

1714
01:41:33,480 --> 01:41:37,560
like that like that maternal instinct kind of came out of nowhere.

1715
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:42,480
And then that's what made me think like, oh, does she have a kid or did she or like what

1716
01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:43,480
happened with that?

1717
01:41:43,480 --> 01:41:48,000
Like that's brought up those questions.

1718
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:49,000
Perfectly valid questions.

1719
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,040
It's funny because I had the like you.

1720
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,040
I had the exam.

1721
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:57,160
I'm like, man, it seems like she must have had a daughter.

1722
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:00,360
So when I and it took remember it took like 20 something years before the director's cut

1723
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:01,360
came out.

1724
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:04,920
So when I finally clicked play on the director's cut, I was like, I felt so vindicated.

1725
01:42:04,920 --> 01:42:06,320
So I was like, I knew it.

1726
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:12,560
I knew there was something going on there.

1727
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:20,480
But yeah, seeing like the way that she dealt with that and seeing like how no one really

1728
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:25,440
took her seriously, like even during the briefing with the Marines, like no one was taking her

1729
01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:26,440
seriously.

1730
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:28,440
She's just the crazy alien lady.

1731
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:33,440
And then it's like and then when she then when she hit the fan, they like immediately

1732
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,880
look at her like, what do we do?

1733
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,800
And she rises to the to the moment.

1734
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:40,960
She's like, this is what we're going to do.

1735
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:41,960
Yeah.

1736
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,920
Like she had to because like that lieutenant was worthless as as balls.

1737
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:51,240
Like, like he's just like all shoulders.

1738
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:56,440
I'm like, dude, like, can you freaking pick it up?

1739
01:42:56,440 --> 01:42:57,440
Yeah.

1740
01:42:57,440 --> 01:43:02,240
And yeah, he aggravated me.

1741
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:11,360
And I love that, like the freaking like did like a bait and switch with like the who was

1742
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:12,360
it like?

1743
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:13,480
Was it the lieutenant?

1744
01:43:13,480 --> 01:43:16,920
The one that was like talking to her initially?

1745
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:18,520
Like her and him and Burke?

1746
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:19,520
Oh, yeah.

1747
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:21,200
When they're trying to recruit her to come on the mission.

1748
01:43:21,200 --> 01:43:23,080
Yeah, that was that was him, right?

1749
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:24,080
Lieutenant Gorman.

1750
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,080
Yeah.

1751
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,280
Like he he seemed like he was so like capable.

1752
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:34,960
And then it just like he freaking panicked under under pressure and then gets his ass

1753
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:35,960
knocked out.

1754
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,120
And then they're just like, I love that.

1755
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:44,560
Like it showed that Burke was already a little on the shady side when he's like, well, listen,

1756
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,600
like they no one would approve that.

1757
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:48,840
And she's like, this is a military operation.

1758
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,760
The military is in charge of it.

1759
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:51,760
Like she's so quick.

1760
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:55,480
I think that's what I loved about her.

1761
01:43:55,480 --> 01:43:57,520
Like she's just called people out on their bullshit.

1762
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,080
And I'm like, yes.

1763
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:00,080
Yeah.

1764
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,720
I like that scene, too, because it's funny.

1765
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:06,200
All the Marines are looking at her and listening like, oh, shit.

1766
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,480
And even when she's like Hicks is next.

1767
01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:10,360
Hicks has authority here.

1768
01:44:10,360 --> 01:44:14,480
Hicks is like, yeah, well, I guess no.

1769
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:18,160
Like he doesn't even want this role, you know.

1770
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:19,160
Very good stuff.

1771
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:20,160
Yeah.

1772
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:27,080
And then I it was nice that he just kind of like shifted all authority over to her because

1773
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,680
he's like, I don't want any of this.

1774
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:30,680
Yeah.

1775
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:35,000
She's making calls and he basically is like approved.

1776
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,320
We're going to nuke this place.

1777
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:38,320
Yeah.

1778
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:47,000
And I don't blame any of them for like being completely on the the nuking train, like especially

1779
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:49,720
being like out in the middle of the shit.

1780
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:56,760
Like the decision that leadership makes versus the decisions that the grunts would make the

1781
01:44:56,760 --> 01:44:57,760
ones around.

1782
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:58,760
Yeah.

1783
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:02,000
The ones actually doing the work are so wildly different.

1784
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:09,280
And it was it was cool to see that that was the case here as well.

1785
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:14,280
Like, you know, we don't want to nuke it because it's very expensive equipment.

1786
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:19,080
People are like, nobody here cares about that.

1787
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:25,680
Like these freaking corporate people have no sense of self-preservation.

1788
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:29,920
Yeah, there's no primal instinct.

1789
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:30,920
Yeah.

1790
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,840
Like, what goes that like all that extra money going to do you when you're dead?

1791
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:35,840
Idiot.

1792
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:36,840
Totally.

1793
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:37,840
100 percent.

1794
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:49,920
But yeah, like this was a really cool, like transition of Ripley becoming like just a

1795
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:59,040
PTSD driven like like officer to just the ultimate badass.

1796
01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:00,640
Yeah.

1797
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:03,840
Taking on the alien queen, like, you know, freaking mono, mono.

1798
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:11,640
I mean, she's taking on like the alien civilization by herself, like just goes in, man.

1799
01:46:11,640 --> 01:46:12,640
No one helped her.

1800
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:13,640
No one came with her.

1801
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:19,720
And like I said, I remember the first time I saw it, I just really felt worried.

1802
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:21,840
I was like, this chick's nuts.

1803
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:23,680
Like I wouldn't I don't know.

1804
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:27,880
You know, as a guy, sometimes you're like, I would I could see myself doing that.

1805
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:31,680
I you know, I could I was like, I don't know if I would want to go in there.

1806
01:46:31,680 --> 01:46:37,320
I don't know if I could summon the courage to load up, to gear up and then go in there

1807
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:44,920
by myself into the hive without anyone else to try to find new like I don't like it was

1808
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:46,440
a pretty bold call.

1809
01:46:46,440 --> 01:46:48,520
And they didn't make it easy for her either.

1810
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:53,600
You know, she she went into all sorts of trouble in there and and barely made it out.

1811
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:58,000
And even then, Bishop was gone and she thought they left her behind like none.

1812
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:02,120
And then even after she gets back, the alien queen comes back like it just she's never

1813
01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:06,000
let off the hook until the very, very end.

1814
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:11,980
They did so good at just like keeping that tension so high and like giving you a moment

1815
01:47:11,980 --> 01:47:19,600
to breathe when they land and then you just fricking impale Bishop and you're like, oh

1816
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:20,600
no.

1817
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:26,460
You totally I remember as a kid watching it, remember when he when Bishop goes to finally

1818
01:47:26,460 --> 01:47:30,200
leave the landing gear gets caught for a second.

1819
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:31,200
And then, you know, he's struggling.

1820
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:35,680
And remember, I was like, as a kid, I was like, the alien is going to jump on your ship.

1821
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:36,680
And then he makes it up.

1822
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:40,820
There's the nuclear explosion and he gets back and the music is like soothing.

1823
01:47:40,820 --> 01:47:44,560
And I remember I was like, oh, I guess the alien didn't get on the ship.

1824
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:45,560
Thank God.

1825
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:48,840
And then the blood starts, the acid starts to drip.

1826
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:52,120
And I was like, you better not.

1827
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:55,040
I was like, oh, no, the queen did get off.

1828
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:58,560
So I was like, man, this movie just doesn't give me anything that I want.

1829
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:02,360
Like they're always it's on my shoulders all the time.

1830
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:03,360
Yeah.

1831
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:08,680
I think it just adds like to the like the tensions of the stakes, too, because it's

1832
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:14,200
just like it literally anything can happen with these damn aliens because they just pop

1833
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:16,120
up where they are not wanted.

1834
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:17,400
Yeah, that's true.

1835
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,480
That is absolutely true.

1836
01:48:19,480 --> 01:48:23,360
Yeah, but I love Ripley's arc.

1837
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:29,600
Like they they start her off at like a low point, like just kind of working as a like

1838
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:34,280
a factory work or where color.

1839
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:44,200
And then they like slowly build her up to like this ultimate alien killing like barbarian.

1840
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:47,400
And honestly, none of it felt sensationalized.

1841
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,360
It all felt like she put together what she had.

1842
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:52,360
There's the loader.

1843
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:53,360
That's the best she could do.

1844
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:59,200
Like it all seemed like very practical solutions that through each stage.

1845
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:04,040
So I never felt that she got overly since she's not delivering roundhouse kicks to these

1846
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:08,720
things or she's not she's not acting like beyond her station.

1847
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:11,880
It was all very much in line with her abilities.

1848
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:20,640
And and like you said, in the end, it's this epic accomplishment or series of accomplishments

1849
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:24,960
in defending as many people as she could while getting the hell out of there.

1850
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:25,960
Yeah.

1851
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:34,200
And I love I I loved how she was like this kind of ties into like her maternal instincts

1852
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:42,760
with Newt, but how quick she was to defend like Nuke and her ideas when she was kind

1853
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,200
of being put down.

1854
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:49,880
Like when I think it was Hudson, like was given new a hard time, like, oh, we're just

1855
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:50,880
going to listen to some kid.

1856
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:56,240
And she's like, she survived here for who knows how long with zero training.

1857
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:58,360
And like, she's still alive.

1858
01:49:58,360 --> 01:49:59,880
Like, yeah, we're going to listen to her.

1859
01:49:59,880 --> 01:50:01,880
And I'm like, yeah.

1860
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:02,880
Yeah.

1861
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:03,880
Good.

1862
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:04,880
Yeah.

1863
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:07,200
I was.

1864
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:12,160
What was the name of the like the frickin hype man?

1865
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:13,160
For Vasquez.

1866
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:14,160
Oh, Drake.

1867
01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:15,160
Drake.

1868
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:17,240
Yeah, I was I was I was Ripley's Drake.

1869
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,240
This whole movie.

1870
01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:23,800
You're like you were just too bad.

1871
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:24,800
Yeah.

1872
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:25,800
Oh, yeah.

1873
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:26,800
I.

1874
01:50:26,800 --> 01:50:27,800
Hype man.

1875
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:28,800
I love that.

1876
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:33,280
Yeah, I was I was pumped.

1877
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:37,160
Every decision she made, I was frickin super for it.

1878
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:42,240
But I like her arc was so it made sense.

1879
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:45,960
Like nothing was out of like too out of character for her.

1880
01:50:45,960 --> 01:50:48,760
Like it was all.

1881
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:52,280
Like really well put together.

1882
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,840
So I this is one I'm really high on.

1883
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:59,160
Like I'm probably 93.

1884
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:00,400
Hmm.

1885
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:04,680
Like super well done.

1886
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:05,680
What are you thinking, Rose?

1887
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,840
I kind of like talked all the way through that one.

1888
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,800
No, like literally you guys said everything perfectly.

1889
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:15,320
I have like nothing to add.

1890
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,640
You guys explained it.

1891
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,360
No, like, sir, you guys explained her character perfectly and how great it was.

1892
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:29,000
And just like looking at where she came from in the first alien to where she ends up in

1893
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,960
the aliens is it's really frickin cool.

1894
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:34,280
It's such a great character arc.

1895
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,800
So I'm going to be at a 92.

1896
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:46,200
I I'm a little higher, but I'll try to make my case for why I put it at 97.

1897
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,640
And I'll tell you why.

1898
01:51:47,640 --> 01:51:52,180
I think that the character development in this, not just for Ripley, but for multiple

1899
01:51:52,180 --> 01:51:58,480
characters is why this movie has lasted so long, because several characters actually

1900
01:51:58,480 --> 01:51:59,800
go through an arc.

1901
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:05,160
So you guys, especially Caleb, you really laid out the Ripley arc.

1902
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,600
It's one of the best ones from, like you said, blue collar.

1903
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:10,120
She describes herself as a fifth wheel at one point.

1904
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,480
Like, hey, I guess I got nothing to do around here.

1905
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:13,660
I'm not a soldier.

1906
01:52:13,660 --> 01:52:18,520
And then she's the one who saves saves the day, fights a queen alien hand to hand.

1907
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,240
I mean, that's insanity.

1908
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:25,120
So her arc is pretty, pretty secure.

1909
01:52:25,120 --> 01:52:28,120
But also Newt.

1910
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,680
You know, Newt lost her mother and family.

1911
01:52:31,680 --> 01:52:32,680
She has PTSD.

1912
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:37,680
She's a she's a survivor in the most basic way.

1913
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:41,040
She couldn't have lasted much longer without food and everything on this.

1914
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,960
But so and by the end of it, she's leading the colonial Marines through the ventilation

1915
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,640
shafts like she's the she has a very epic moment of.

1916
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:53,440
In fact, there's a there's a scene where Vasquez is like soldering the door and they're in

1917
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:54,440
their last stand.

1918
01:52:54,440 --> 01:52:55,440
They're in the last room.

1919
01:52:55,440 --> 01:52:59,080
And Vasquez is like, whatever you're going to do, do it fast.

1920
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,840
And it's Newt who's like the ventilation shafts.

1921
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,120
She finds a secret door basically.

1922
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,400
And they all follow her lead into this thing.

1923
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:11,360
And in this world, that's kind of a creepy place to go into a ventilation shaft.

1924
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:12,360
It's pretty claustrophobic.

1925
01:53:12,360 --> 01:53:14,720
And these aliens are like in those things.

1926
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,980
So she she has an arc.

1927
01:53:16,980 --> 01:53:22,920
She goes from like childhood survivor to like leader as well in her own way.

1928
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,000
Hudson goes through an arc, right?

1929
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:32,640
Overconfident, brash, almost annoyingly brash in a way like the older brother who like picks

1930
01:53:32,640 --> 01:53:33,640
on you.

1931
01:53:33,640 --> 01:53:36,000
But he but he loves you anyway.

1932
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:41,560
And then he he panics and he goes into a complete act of cowardice, like way out in the open

1933
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:42,560
for everyone to see.

1934
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:47,280
And people are like jawing at him because he's so nauseatingly cowardly.

1935
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:48,280
And then he has an arc.

1936
01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:52,500
He starts to kind of collect himself and then he makes a big last stand.

1937
01:53:52,500 --> 01:53:56,720
And I think most of us hate the way he dies because he had he kind of came out of it.

1938
01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:58,120
He's like, you want some of this?

1939
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,120
Oh, you too.

1940
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,600
He's like totally unafraid of the aliens in the end.

1941
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,080
And then the one comes up and gets him and pulls him down.

1942
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:08,960
So he redeems himself in a large way with this great last stand.

1943
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,800
Bishop has a great arc.

1944
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,160
Caleb, you kind of hit on this as well.

1945
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:19,640
He's he's set up as the detached, chilling android who's becoming enamored with the aliens

1946
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:24,120
and might be prone to psychotic behavior like Ash.

1947
01:54:24,120 --> 01:54:25,400
And then he's the big hero.

1948
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:27,360
He has a big heroic moment.

1949
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:31,200
And Gorman, the useless lieutenant, right?

1950
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:34,840
He he he seems competent, like you said.

1951
01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:39,200
And then he's freezes up like completely in the moment of need.

1952
01:54:39,200 --> 01:54:41,200
And Ripley's got to come in there and save them.

1953
01:54:41,200 --> 01:54:44,920
And the Marines all saw that that Ripley was the hero.

1954
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:46,640
Luckily for him, he's knocked out.

1955
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,600
So he doesn't have to answer for any of this.

1956
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:55,440
And in the end, when they're going through those ventilation shafts, Vasquez collapses.

1957
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:56,440
She's down.

1958
01:54:56,440 --> 01:54:59,540
Her legs are burning with acid and Gorman goes back for her.

1959
01:54:59,540 --> 01:55:06,760
So even the preppy, useless lieutenant has has a heroic death in this.

1960
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,520
He goes back to try to save Vasquez and he's trying.

1961
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:10,520
He's got his handgun out.

1962
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:12,720
He's trying to drag her and he runs out of bullets.

1963
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:17,720
So you know, there's all even and then of course, Burke, who starts as the good guy

1964
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:21,400
and is unmasked as a bad guy and then gets his come up.

1965
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,240
There's so many character arcs in this.

1966
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:29,720
And I think that's why this film hits a high note is because of the character development.

1967
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:33,940
There's so many movies where you have a lot of actors with big personalities.

1968
01:55:33,940 --> 01:55:37,340
And sometimes they especially today, they get really forgettable.

1969
01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:39,040
And I think it's because there's no arcs.

1970
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:44,600
And I think the reason these guys are big personalities stick around in the head is

1971
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:50,840
because each one of them kind of had their flaws and they all kind of go out heroically

1972
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:51,840
except for Burke.

1973
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:52,840
We don't like him.

1974
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,240
So that's why I gave this such a high score.

1975
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:57,040
I just really love it.

1976
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:58,040
We talked about Newt.

1977
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:03,160
You know, Ripley lost a daughter and gains one new lost a mother and gains one.

1978
01:56:03,160 --> 01:56:06,500
So there's there was a lot in terms of character development.

1979
01:56:06,500 --> 01:56:10,120
And for an action film, it's rare to see so much.

1980
01:56:10,120 --> 01:56:13,760
So that's why I went high on the score.

1981
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:14,760
Yeah.

1982
01:56:14,760 --> 01:56:25,240
I do have to make a note without the context of the scene of Ripley like losing a daughter.

1983
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:30,800
The like Newt calling her mommy fell kind of sudden.

1984
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:34,600
Like very like I don't know.

1985
01:56:34,600 --> 01:56:36,080
Like what did you think, Rose?

1986
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,200
Like am I just being an asshole about it?

1987
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,200
I don't think you are.

1988
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:47,920
No, like the points that you guys made, you know, earlier on about how if if it weren't

1989
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:57,640
for the director's cut coming out and you know, the how how well Ripley just translates

1990
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:04,360
or transitions into being there for new and just like those mom instincts kicking in.

1991
01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:09,820
Like it does feel out of it feels a little out of left field like you like you.

1992
01:57:09,820 --> 01:57:10,820
You get used to it.

1993
01:57:10,820 --> 01:57:13,880
But like when it first happens, you're just like, OK, was not expecting that.

1994
01:57:13,880 --> 01:57:17,120
And it makes you question why, you know, like, oh, did she have a daughter?

1995
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:22,080
And like you said, Douglas, that in the director's cut, it actually it it showcases that she

1996
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:23,880
actually does.

1997
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,680
So no, I do think you do have a point, Caleb.

1998
01:57:26,680 --> 01:57:30,320
Yeah, Caleb, I agree with Rose.

1999
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,560
I've seen the director's cut.

2000
01:57:31,560 --> 01:57:33,340
So for me, I don't even think about it anymore.

2001
01:57:33,340 --> 01:57:34,340
But you're right.

2002
01:57:34,340 --> 01:57:38,460
What if what if what if I forget what if the director's cut doesn't exist?

2003
01:57:38,460 --> 01:57:42,160
Then you're right, some of those moments don't quite line up.

2004
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:45,760
Yeah, it was just.

2005
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:52,840
A little sudden, I'm just like, whoa, like, like they just found you today.

2006
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:59,600
Yeah, like you replaced your mom pretty damn quick.

2007
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:02,960
That's that's that's a good point.

2008
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:03,960
Yeah.

2009
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:10,640
But I I loved everyone's like little miniature arcs.

2010
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:13,160
I love the vast guess.

2011
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:14,160
Yeah.

2012
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:16,040
Vasquez is last lines to.

2013
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:17,040
Oh, yeah.

2014
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:20,440
Lieutenant, just like I thought you were kind of an asshole.

2015
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:27,800
And then they blow up like, dude, if there is anything to go out to honest to the end,

2016
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:36,280
you know, like that, like that redeemed the character like her, like all the issues I'd

2017
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:40,360
had with her up until that point, like all those just frickin just vanished with that

2018
01:58:40,360 --> 01:58:41,360
line.

2019
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:48,960
I was like, yeah, yeah, she had she did fight tough in that in the event in the shafts in

2020
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:50,000
there.

2021
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:55,400
And what's funny is the there's the scene where she the alien lands on her from above

2022
01:58:55,400 --> 01:58:57,880
and then she pins the head up with her foot.

2023
01:58:57,880 --> 01:58:58,880
Right.

2024
01:58:58,880 --> 01:59:03,520
She puts her foot and she just blows away this she guns away at this thing's head at

2025
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:04,520
point blank range.

2026
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:09,800
And that's, of course, when the acid gets on her a little tidbit.

2027
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:13,480
The actress, Jeanette Goldstein, didn't know how to handle guns, so she couldn't do the

2028
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,880
scene and felt really uncomfortable.

2029
01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:22,600
So the producer of the film, who's a woman, Gail and heard she came in to do that scene.

2030
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:28,400
So the foot and the gun and that all that is actually the producer of the movie.

2031
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:32,360
As it's just bizarre.

2032
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:33,800
That is fantastic.

2033
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:34,800
Yeah.

2034
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:41,640
And that does explain how why she looks so goofy with the with the big gun.

2035
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:42,640
Yeah.

2036
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,640
Things were really heavy.

2037
01:59:44,640 --> 01:59:47,520
I couldn't put my finger on it.

2038
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:51,560
Like when she like I saw her moving and then Drake was kind of doing the same, like kind

2039
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:52,560
of mimicking her.

2040
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:55,120
I was like, OK, maybe I'm just weird.

2041
01:59:55,120 --> 01:59:58,960
But something was off about that.

2042
01:59:58,960 --> 01:59:59,960
Yeah.

2043
01:59:59,960 --> 02:00:00,960
Like something was off.

2044
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,080
And like I said, I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

2045
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:05,160
So I didn't think it was like worth bringing up.

2046
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:09,440
But yeah, that's fantastic.

2047
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:12,440
Yeah.

2048
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:13,440
All right.

2049
02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:14,440
Next up, we got effects.

2050
02:00:14,440 --> 02:00:17,040
And I freaking love this.

2051
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:18,040
Yeah.

2052
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:19,040
So good.

2053
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:22,160
You cannot beat practical effects.

2054
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:28,920
And if there's anything that like I have a pretty love hate relationship with James Cameron,

2055
02:00:28,920 --> 02:00:29,920
I think a lot.

2056
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:30,920
Yeah.

2057
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:31,920
Good point.

2058
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:41,560
I the one thing I respect about him as a director is that he will try to push the the barriers

2059
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:45,280
of filmmaking to their absolute limit.

2060
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:49,280
And like he like I didn't necessarily care for Avatar.

2061
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:52,920
I love watching behind the scenes stuff about that.

2062
02:00:52,920 --> 02:00:54,160
Totally.

2063
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:55,160
Did you buy.

2064
02:00:55,160 --> 02:00:56,800
So have you only seen the first Avatar?

2065
02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:57,920
Did you see the second one?

2066
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:59,600
I have not watched that one yet.

2067
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:01,520
So I was this.

2068
02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,040
So dude, I was the same as you.

2069
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:05,360
I find it took me so long to watch Avatar.

2070
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:07,880
And when I finally did, I'm saying it was OK.

2071
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:09,960
Like the story wasn't that great.

2072
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:13,160
Like the effects were amazing, but just the story wasn't there.

2073
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:20,560
I after watching the way of water, I am super stoked for the third one, like the second

2074
02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:24,200
one made like the second one made me an Avatar fan.

2075
02:01:24,200 --> 02:01:25,800
Oh, wow.

2076
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:26,800
Very cool.

2077
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:27,800
Yeah.

2078
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:29,200
Avatar.

2079
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:33,320
The first one, what really made it special was the 3D.

2080
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:38,240
You know, I remember when I went to see it, I couldn't wait to see it again.

2081
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:40,280
It wasn't because of the story.

2082
02:01:40,280 --> 02:01:44,640
It's because it was so immersive and so convincing of a 3D effect.

2083
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:48,280
I had never really had a 3D effect like that in a film.

2084
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:55,160
And this was like neon world in an alien world with neon colors all in 3D.

2085
02:01:55,160 --> 02:02:01,320
So I think Avatar got a big boost, but that supports I think both of your cases.

2086
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:08,920
You know, that is an effect that Cameron delivered in a spectacle, in a sense, in viewing that

2087
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:13,760
and it became the highest grossing film of all time worldwide.

2088
02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:17,280
You know, well, I feel he kind of cheated.

2089
02:02:17,280 --> 02:02:18,280
Kind of right.

2090
02:02:18,280 --> 02:02:22,640
It was it was the effect that drove everyone crazy in a positive way.

2091
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,360
But the film itself is is definitely flawed.

2092
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:31,280
I just hate that after end game came out and be Avatar.

2093
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:36,180
James Cameron had to come out and say, OK, no, let's let's let's re-release Avatar just

2094
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:38,840
so I can get back to number one.

2095
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,160
Like, come on, man.

2096
02:02:41,160 --> 02:02:47,520
Yeah, that's becoming a becoming more of a trend to to re-release movies and try to bump

2097
02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:48,520
up the list.

2098
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:51,520
Yeah, it's true.

2099
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:57,400
Yeah, I think that's where all my bitterness comes from is that frickin stunt.

2100
02:02:57,400 --> 02:02:59,120
Same here.

2101
02:02:59,120 --> 02:03:06,400
But I mean, in his defense, though, like Marvel was trying the same thing with like an unfinished

2102
02:03:06,400 --> 02:03:07,400
scene.

2103
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:10,240
Like, that was true.

2104
02:03:10,240 --> 02:03:13,520
So like I said, kind of a love hate.

2105
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:21,240
But what he's done in terms of development on like special effects is.

2106
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,520
Like I cannot say enough good about that.

2107
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:24,520
Right.

2108
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:27,040
His practical effects in this.

2109
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:32,120
Like if I'm remembering right, I think like because this like I don't know too much about

2110
02:03:32,120 --> 02:03:38,200
the Alien franchise, like at least in terms of like the movie itself and like the story,

2111
02:03:38,200 --> 02:03:43,840
all like all that like prior to this, the only information I did know is like a lot

2112
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:46,080
of the.

2113
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:50,480
The effects that went into it and they're like making it happen.

2114
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:59,240
And so one of the things I if I'm remembering right, he was using remote control facehuggers

2115
02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:01,120
to run across the floor.

2116
02:04:01,120 --> 02:04:02,120
Yes.

2117
02:04:02,120 --> 02:04:06,880
And so he had to develop like how to kind of develop that technology and like figure

2118
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:10,520
out how to do like a wireless prosthetic.

2119
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:14,680
Yeah, he created it to where it was on a wheel.

2120
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:18,620
So as one leg came up, the other leg came down on both sides.

2121
02:04:18,620 --> 02:04:23,160
So when you put it with six legs, you get that sort of spider crawl that it does.

2122
02:04:23,160 --> 02:04:26,120
And because the two front legs are kind of like propped up.

2123
02:04:26,120 --> 02:04:27,120
Right.

2124
02:04:27,120 --> 02:04:28,120
Yeah.

2125
02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:29,120
So you're right.

2126
02:04:29,120 --> 02:04:30,120
He created that.

2127
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:31,120
So there's that scene.

2128
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:36,040
It's it's running at Ripley while she's on the ground and it like leaps up at her.

2129
02:04:36,040 --> 02:04:38,080
They couldn't get the leap right.

2130
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:43,880
So they filmed it on the camera and someone pulled it back and then they played it in

2131
02:04:43,880 --> 02:04:45,000
reverse.

2132
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:46,320
That's how they got the effect to work.

2133
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:49,440
It's such a simple thing, but it looks totally can.

2134
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,880
And if you freeze frame it, you could see where they cut from it.

2135
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:58,520
It going like this cut to a reverse shot of it coming back.

2136
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:00,960
And it's so you would never notice it.

2137
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:03,800
You would never notice unless I asked you to go through it frame by frame.

2138
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:04,800
But it's brilliant.

2139
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:07,360
And it because it's so convincing.

2140
02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:09,160
So cool.

2141
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:10,160
Yeah.

2142
02:05:10,160 --> 02:05:13,480
He he's so good at doing stuff like that.

2143
02:05:13,480 --> 02:05:19,480
Like I was even super impressed with some of the space scenes where like when they're

2144
02:05:19,480 --> 02:05:22,760
flying like he was pulled.

2145
02:05:22,760 --> 02:05:27,880
He was pulling some of the same Star Wars stuff where like they would film like the

2146
02:05:27,880 --> 02:05:30,800
ship on like a green screen or something.

2147
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:38,680
And they do like different tracks, but like they do the same motion with the camera.

2148
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:43,760
And if in Star Wars, like it's like the original Star Wars, like you see it with a Millennium

2149
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:49,000
Falcon like you're like side by side with it and it like comes up against the water

2150
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,000
and it comes back.

2151
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,000
Yep.

2152
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:55,240
I I this is just going to be my excuse to watch Star Wars again.

2153
02:05:55,240 --> 02:06:01,400
But if I'm remembering those scenes right, he like all it's like almost done in like

2154
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:02,800
a flat plane.

2155
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:09,480
So he like you don't see like kind of like a curvature like any panning.

2156
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:13,520
And so when he was doing the scenes where it's like straight on shot of the ship and

2157
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:21,000
then you see like like you're panning upward and like the you could tell like the background

2158
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:25,360
was like a matte painting because I think that's how they used to do a lot of those

2159
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:28,440
like cool like super big shots.

2160
02:06:28,440 --> 02:06:35,600
And so like you could tell the background was was a matte painting, but they were like

2161
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:39,400
moving it in like a three dimensional space.

2162
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:45,920
So I I'd be really curious to see how that matte painting looks if they did paint like

2163
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:52,240
like a almost like a half dome or something like that, just like be able to pull that

2164
02:06:52,240 --> 02:06:55,440
effect off because it looks so good.

2165
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:57,600
Yeah, I think they did use matte.

2166
02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:01,080
I know they use matte painting, so you're probably right on the money.

2167
02:07:01,080 --> 02:07:04,360
Yeah, I love that stuff.

2168
02:07:04,360 --> 02:07:10,960
And like I mean, in terms of CGI, maybe like that stuff hasn't aged the best, but that's

2169
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:16,800
has not like I give I give such bonus points for practical.

2170
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:23,400
And then what he was able to do with the the alien and the alien queen.

2171
02:07:23,400 --> 02:07:26,520
Holy oh my gosh.

2172
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:33,240
Like there was never a point other than maybe when she's like falling out into space.

2173
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:35,520
Oh yeah, yeah, that's stop motion.

2174
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:36,520
Yeah.

2175
02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:44,400
Like other than that, I couldn't pick out like whether it was a stop motion or practical.

2176
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:46,380
So yeah, they said it's all good.

2177
02:07:46,380 --> 02:07:52,180
So the loader, there's a bodybuilder inside the loader behind Ripley.

2178
02:07:52,180 --> 02:07:56,320
So there's there's a bodybuilder moving it around and she's just sitting on top of this

2179
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,860
guy basically moving it all around.

2180
02:07:58,860 --> 02:08:01,560
And there are hydraulics and there were there were strength.

2181
02:08:01,560 --> 02:08:07,820
But you're right, when you watch the film, it's a pretty damn convincing combat sequence

2182
02:08:07,820 --> 02:08:15,320
between a human in a hydraulic loader against this gigantic queen alien.

2183
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:17,920
And what a what a scene.

2184
02:08:17,920 --> 02:08:19,720
What a what a climax, you know?

2185
02:08:19,720 --> 02:08:22,880
Yeah, it was so good.

2186
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:32,840
And yeah, like in in modern stuff, I feel like they have a little bit more choreography,

2187
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:37,080
like moving around, like getting thrown across the room or whatever, having more of that.

2188
02:08:37,080 --> 02:08:42,840
But having like a fight that's so up close and personal and having the loader was a stroke

2189
02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:47,920
of genius because it's grabbing the alien and pulling it in close, like keeping it a

2190
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:49,760
close quarter fight.

2191
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:52,680
Like I thought that was beautifully done.

2192
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:59,640
And then when I was man, I want to do so much like like such a deep dive into this movie.

2193
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:04,880
I want to know how they shot the scene of her falling into the pit because that looked

2194
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:05,880
real.

2195
02:09:05,880 --> 02:09:06,880
I was like, holy shit.

2196
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:09,160
I think that was miniatures.

2197
02:09:09,160 --> 02:09:18,680
If memory serves that it was a miniature of her in the loader falling down into the into

2198
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:25,440
that like air, it was like a pit, but it was the the final doors for the air lock.

2199
02:09:25,440 --> 02:09:28,400
So I'm pretty sure that was a miniature.

2200
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:34,060
And they built a workable, almost marionette of the Queen alien, especially when she's

2201
02:09:34,060 --> 02:09:43,440
sitting when she's sitting perched on her egg sack or the what you call it an ovula.

2202
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:44,960
Yet you said the right word for it.

2203
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:47,000
I'm not remembering it now.

2204
02:09:47,000 --> 02:09:50,400
But yeah, the practical effects in this are pretty epic.

2205
02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:57,440
And just in keeping with part of your discussion from your podcast on alien, the budget for

2206
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:02,640
this was eighteen point five million dollars.

2207
02:10:02,640 --> 02:10:08,640
OK, adjusted to today's dollars, only fifty three million bucks.

2208
02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:16,760
I mean, that's nothing, nothing to get this type of visual.

2209
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:22,760
And action, this isn't like a single shot of us still like this is all the high action.

2210
02:10:22,760 --> 02:10:24,760
You know, he modified the aliens.

2211
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:27,960
Remember, in the first film, the alien head was super smooth.

2212
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:31,560
In this movie, there's like segments on it.

2213
02:10:31,560 --> 02:10:34,360
And these things would like jump from wall to wall.

2214
02:10:34,360 --> 02:10:36,720
They would come racing down shafts.

2215
02:10:36,720 --> 02:10:42,640
And I mean, the aliens in this movie were extremely mobile, whereas in the first film,

2216
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:44,520
the alien was rather stiff.

2217
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:45,520
Right.

2218
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,040
I think you said it, you both said it.

2219
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:50,040
He looked like a guy in a suit.

2220
02:10:50,040 --> 02:10:52,960
This it looked like aliens.

2221
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:56,240
They were moving kind of weird and it freaked you out.

2222
02:10:56,240 --> 02:10:57,240
You know?

2223
02:10:57,240 --> 02:10:58,240
Yeah.

2224
02:10:58,240 --> 02:10:59,240
Yeah.

2225
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:04,400
Like I said, James Cameron, like he's a master at this kind of stuff.

2226
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:11,000
Like he he it's almost it's elegant what he does, like what he's able to pull off and

2227
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:19,040
how he's able to push any sort of effect to its absolute limit and make it look incredible.

2228
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:23,880
Like if there's anything that James Cameron's movies are, they're timeless.

2229
02:11:23,880 --> 02:11:24,880
Yeah.

2230
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:25,880
Yeah.

2231
02:11:25,880 --> 02:11:34,920
He I can't think of a single before I say that, let me look up his IMDb.

2232
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:36,960
The abyss.

2233
02:11:36,960 --> 02:11:38,360
True lies.

2234
02:11:38,360 --> 02:11:42,040
He did Terminator two, another unbelievable sequel.

2235
02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:44,560
Yeah.

2236
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:51,440
His first movie was Piranhas two, which is like not a movie to start with.

2237
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:52,440
Yeah.

2238
02:11:52,440 --> 02:11:56,600
It's not a movie that gave us a clue that this guy was going to become a pretty illustrious

2239
02:11:56,600 --> 02:11:57,600
film director.

2240
02:11:57,600 --> 02:12:01,000
Of course, the Avatar movies.

2241
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:03,500
Titanic.

2242
02:12:03,500 --> 02:12:06,000
That movie was a blockbuster.

2243
02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:08,320
Oh yeah.

2244
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:11,040
Just the stuff that I have seen.

2245
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:17,680
He like not nothing I've seen of his has been bad.

2246
02:12:17,680 --> 02:12:18,720
Like at all.

2247
02:12:18,720 --> 02:12:19,800
Like none of it.

2248
02:12:19,800 --> 02:12:23,020
And it ages super well.

2249
02:12:23,020 --> 02:12:26,560
Like I've seen I've I've seen true lies.

2250
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:33,440
I've seen parts of the Terminator, like something like the important parts of Terminator.

2251
02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:34,440
You what?

2252
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:35,680
I've seen the important parts.

2253
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:40,720
Like a lot of like the cool action sequences of that.

2254
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:42,200
And that's aged pretty well.

2255
02:12:42,200 --> 02:12:47,400
So like, yeah, I feel comfortable saying that his movies are fairly timeless.

2256
02:12:47,400 --> 02:12:54,200
So obviously some stories are better than others, but the effects wise, like he can't

2257
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:55,200
be beat.

2258
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:56,200
Yeah.

2259
02:12:56,200 --> 02:13:00,320
He he I think you said it perfectly a second ago.

2260
02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:07,080
He's able to squeeze the maximum impact for whatever effect he's trying to get.

2261
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:10,600
And sometimes it's a real simple solution, like just playing something in reverse.

2262
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:15,320
Like I said, like to get that thing to jump at the camera, like it's jumping on Ripley's

2263
02:13:15,320 --> 02:13:16,320
face.

2264
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:17,880
He just pulled it from a fish.

2265
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,560
You know, he pulled it from a wire and then reversed it.

2266
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,320
Oh, another scene where he did that.

2267
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:25,960
Remember when they're retreating to the APC?

2268
02:13:25,960 --> 02:13:28,440
And that first battle with the aliens.

2269
02:13:28,440 --> 02:13:33,520
There's a scene where an alien jumps at the door and it's like leaning in and Hicks goes

2270
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:39,920
eat this and he shubs the shotgun in the mouth and shoots the head out and spits out more

2271
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:41,480
acid.

2272
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:46,880
They said they practiced that like six times and Hicks or the actor could not get that

2273
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,280
damn shotgun to hit the mouth.

2274
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,880
He kept hitting the head.

2275
02:13:50,880 --> 02:13:55,280
So Cameron's like they're like so they told James Cameron, he's like, oh, start with it

2276
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:56,480
in the mouth and rip it out.

2277
02:13:56,480 --> 02:14:02,680
We'll just put it in reverse.

2278
02:14:02,680 --> 02:14:03,680
So you're right.

2279
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:09,840
He get, he solves the problem with practical effects and you're right.

2280
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:11,840
It's an art form.

2281
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:12,840
Man.

2282
02:14:12,840 --> 02:14:13,840
Yeah.

2283
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:14,840
Yeah.

2284
02:14:14,840 --> 02:14:22,800
Affects wise, I close to no issues with this.

2285
02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:26,040
I am at a solid 96.

2286
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:29,680
This holds up so well.

2287
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:37,920
Like the only thing I'm even going to kind of ding it for is maybe like some of the space

2288
02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:38,920
stuff.

2289
02:14:38,920 --> 02:14:42,680
Like, like it looked a little goofy.

2290
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:47,920
I was like, I was blown away when they were flying out of the atmosphere of that, that

2291
02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:53,600
planet that when the nuclear explosion went off, like that looks awesome.

2292
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:58,840
You know how he did that with cotton and a lead light.

2293
02:14:58,840 --> 02:14:59,840
I'm not joking.

2294
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:00,840
Cotton.

2295
02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:01,840
Wow.

2296
02:15:01,840 --> 02:15:02,840
So yeah.

2297
02:15:02,840 --> 02:15:03,840
So that's what I'm saying.

2298
02:15:03,840 --> 02:15:07,720
Like you were just talking and I was like, man, and while you were saying that, I was

2299
02:15:07,720 --> 02:15:08,720
like, yeah, you're right.

2300
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:11,160
He does some real basic shit.

2301
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:16,320
And yet when you put it all together, like that looked like a nuclear explosion.

2302
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,380
It was real bright.

2303
02:15:18,380 --> 02:15:21,160
And I think Bishop's reaction, he like flung his head for it.

2304
02:15:21,160 --> 02:15:25,080
He was really reacting to this impact wave.

2305
02:15:25,080 --> 02:15:29,360
But yeah, when I, I could tell by the way you read, I reacted the same way.

2306
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:31,320
I was like, what?

2307
02:15:31,320 --> 02:15:32,320
Cotton?

2308
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:36,320
Like, I was like, oh man, you shouldn't be able to do that with cotton.

2309
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:42,200
Like that, it almost sounded like something I would come up with with my buddies as kids.

2310
02:15:42,200 --> 02:15:43,400
He's like, that's going to work.

2311
02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:44,960
So how much did that cost?

2312
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:45,960
Probably not a lot.

2313
02:15:45,960 --> 02:15:47,680
And you would never know.

2314
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:51,320
It looks like a, it looks like a mushroom cloud on a, on a distant world.

2315
02:15:51,320 --> 02:15:52,320
I know.

2316
02:15:52,320 --> 02:16:01,880
I mean, in 1986, he could accomplish that with a fricking desk lamp, a desk lamp and

2317
02:16:01,880 --> 02:16:03,720
a, like a dollar pillow.

2318
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:04,720
Totally.

2319
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:05,720
Yeah.

2320
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:07,200
Oh, that was nuts.

2321
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:08,200
Yeah.

2322
02:16:08,200 --> 02:16:15,080
With the budget he had, it's actually a miracle that this film looks the way it does.

2323
02:16:15,080 --> 02:16:18,280
I see movies today that have like the $200 million budget.

2324
02:16:18,280 --> 02:16:19,280
They're not even convincing.

2325
02:16:19,280 --> 02:16:20,280
I know.

2326
02:16:20,280 --> 02:16:28,120
And like, especially like the older one or older being like within like the 20, I'd say

2327
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:31,400
between like 2005 and maybe 2012.

2328
02:16:31,400 --> 02:16:32,400
Yeah.

2329
02:16:32,400 --> 02:16:38,560
Like between that time period, like there are some movies that just have not aged well.

2330
02:16:38,560 --> 02:16:39,560
Totally.

2331
02:16:39,560 --> 02:16:44,480
And this one came out damn near 40 years ago.

2332
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:48,280
And it's still like was blowing my mind.

2333
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:49,280
Yeah.

2334
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:53,880
And the four key recreation actually helped it, I think.

2335
02:16:53,880 --> 02:16:58,880
Anytime I hear about like people doing practical effects, like I feel like the budget's usually

2336
02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:00,300
lower.

2337
02:17:00,300 --> 02:17:01,300
I think so too.

2338
02:17:01,300 --> 02:17:03,080
Like I don't think you need more of them.

2339
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:04,080
I know.

2340
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:11,200
Like seriously, because it takes longer to, maybe because it takes longer to do, but like,

2341
02:17:11,200 --> 02:17:13,680
who cares if like, if you're, I don't know.

2342
02:17:13,680 --> 02:17:16,080
I don't know how Hollywood works anymore.

2343
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:18,840
They like, they just want products now.

2344
02:17:18,840 --> 02:17:23,120
I'm like, no, like give us a good product, something that's going to blow us away.

2345
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:28,160
Well, I think practical effects have a degree of craftsmanship to it.

2346
02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:34,400
And if you don't want to hire those guys, then you're stuck with computer animators.

2347
02:17:34,400 --> 02:17:38,880
And quite honestly, part of the problem with, you know, artificial looking movies today

2348
02:17:38,880 --> 02:17:42,240
is the over-reliance on CGI.

2349
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:44,400
And it's not always that convincing.

2350
02:17:44,400 --> 02:17:50,360
You know, Marvel seemed for a while to have cracked it, you know, with tons of CGI and

2351
02:17:50,360 --> 02:17:53,920
all that mashed together and looking super convincing.

2352
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,040
But then it's like they regressed.

2353
02:17:56,040 --> 02:18:00,880
And I've seen some Marvel stuff now where I'm like, this is the same company?

2354
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:02,880
This is the same studio?

2355
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:07,520
It looks like they've lost their ability to make it convincing sometimes.

2356
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:09,520
Yep.

2357
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:14,720
Yeah, I very, very strong 96.

2358
02:18:14,720 --> 02:18:21,720
Like I can't fricking ogle at the effects enough.

2359
02:18:21,720 --> 02:18:27,080
Like I could go on for days and there's going to be a whole fricking like amount of research

2360
02:18:27,080 --> 02:18:32,680
and YouTube videos I'm going to watch just to learn how they did some of the special

2361
02:18:32,680 --> 02:18:33,680
effects.

2362
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:37,240
Cause I love hearing the problem solving that goes with that.

2363
02:18:37,240 --> 02:18:43,760
I, um, Caleb, most of these books right here, this row, it's the making of movies.

2364
02:18:43,760 --> 02:18:50,360
And so like you, I love hearing a good story on how an effect was created, especially when

2365
02:18:50,360 --> 02:18:56,760
it's so in like creative and resourceful and unexpected, like the cotton and the light

2366
02:18:56,760 --> 02:18:58,800
bulb for the nuclear.

2367
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:04,200
Like when you read that, you're like, Oh my God, like that scene, you know, and then when

2368
02:19:04,200 --> 02:19:08,280
I watch the movie, I look at it and I'm like, I still don't see cotton in the bulb.

2369
02:19:08,280 --> 02:19:09,880
I see a nuclear explode.

2370
02:19:09,880 --> 02:19:16,280
Like I know what they did and I'm still able to see what they wanted me to see, you know,

2371
02:19:16,280 --> 02:19:18,920
a YouTube channel that I cannot recommend enough.

2372
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:27,840
And I've brought it up on like a bunch of other, uh, episodes that are, um, pretty special

2373
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:29,240
effect heavy.

2374
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:30,240
Yeah.

2375
02:19:30,240 --> 02:19:35,160
So special effects artists react on YouTube.

2376
02:19:35,160 --> 02:19:43,760
They it's, uh, the corridor channel, but they are a kind of a small team of independent

2377
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:51,000
filmmakers out of California and they will sit and like break down how movies are, or

2378
02:19:51,000 --> 02:19:52,560
how special effects are done.

2379
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:54,880
I just pulled it up on another tab.

2380
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:59,400
I'm going to subscribe and I could already tell just by looking at these thumbnails.

2381
02:19:59,400 --> 02:20:03,960
Um, the one that they did for the flash is a really fun time.

2382
02:20:03,960 --> 02:20:04,960
Really?

2383
02:20:04,960 --> 02:20:05,960
Yeah.

2384
02:20:05,960 --> 02:20:06,960
That's a really good one to watch.

2385
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,680
Then the recent flash.

2386
02:20:08,680 --> 02:20:09,680
Yeah.

2387
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:10,680
Oh, wow.

2388
02:20:10,680 --> 02:20:11,680
Yeah.

2389
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:13,680
They, they kind of roast that movie.

2390
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:17,440
It can, the effects kind of deserve it.

2391
02:20:17,440 --> 02:20:18,440
Yeah.

2392
02:20:18,440 --> 02:20:22,600
But like what I love about their channel is they'll, they've done like multiple aspects

2393
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:23,600
too.

2394
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:27,640
Like they have animators come in, they have stunt people come in.

2395
02:20:27,640 --> 02:20:34,160
Uh, like all kinds of different people they've gotten to come in and like discuss visual

2396
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:39,240
effects and like how they pull certain things off in movies to make it look convincing.

2397
02:20:39,240 --> 02:20:40,240
Wow.

2398
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:41,240
Yeah.

2399
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:44,200
I'm going to be watching their videos from here on out.

2400
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:45,920
Um, I love that stuff.

2401
02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:50,720
And it's also fun to hear other people react, like you said, or talk about it or think about

2402
02:20:50,720 --> 02:20:51,720
it.

2403
02:20:51,720 --> 02:20:52,840
And you know, I know what I think.

2404
02:20:52,840 --> 02:20:55,160
So it's really fun to hear what other people think.

2405
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:58,800
And, um, I bet I would love that channel.

2406
02:20:58,800 --> 02:20:59,800
Yeah.

2407
02:20:59,800 --> 02:21:01,680
You'll have to let me know what you think.

2408
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:02,920
Cause I love them.

2409
02:21:02,920 --> 02:21:03,920
I love them.

2410
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:06,600
It'd probably be a very glowing review.

2411
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:07,600
Yeah.

2412
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:12,120
Uh, and then what were you sitting at with your effects score?

2413
02:21:12,120 --> 02:21:14,760
Or did you say?

2414
02:21:14,760 --> 02:21:15,760
Yeah.

2415
02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:16,760
Okay.

2416
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:17,760
You guys are going to hate me.

2417
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:22,680
Um, because it sounds like I just give out high scores for everything, but it's only

2418
02:21:22,680 --> 02:21:23,680
because of this movie.

2419
02:21:23,680 --> 02:21:29,040
I really do not give out a whole lot of high scores otherwise, but I gave it a hundred

2420
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:34,400
because I don't know what else he could have done, uh, given the budget and the time and,

2421
02:21:34,400 --> 02:21:39,880
uh, the, the, the, the, the level of technology available.

2422
02:21:39,880 --> 02:21:44,960
Um, to me it's, he couldn't have done any better.

2423
02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:48,960
Um, so I also wrote down a couple of things too.

2424
02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:54,720
Um, the, the, the, this is where I wrote down a lot of the Academy awards.

2425
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:57,600
So it was nominated for art direction.

2426
02:21:57,600 --> 02:22:02,880
It was nominated for film editing, nominated for sound nominated for sound effect.

2427
02:22:02,880 --> 02:22:07,500
Oh, it won sound effects editing and it won visual effects.

2428
02:22:07,500 --> 02:22:13,520
So I mean, it's, it's one of the great films, uh, produced in terms of visual effects.

2429
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:19,220
And I think particularly because of the action, this should have been a lot harder.

2430
02:22:19,220 --> 02:22:23,240
It should have been harder to mix, uh, xenomorphs in with live actors.

2431
02:22:23,240 --> 02:22:27,620
It should have been hard to create environments that look authentic, like a distant colony

2432
02:22:27,620 --> 02:22:30,840
and then a distant colony taken over by an alien hive.

2433
02:22:30,840 --> 02:22:33,040
It should have been difficult to pull all this off.

2434
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:37,160
I love the scene where the drop ship comes down and those wings pop out and there's like

2435
02:22:37,160 --> 02:22:42,320
missiles there and there's this great shot where the drop ship lands and it cuts and

2436
02:22:42,320 --> 02:22:47,280
then they drive the APC down the ramp and then it cuts and you see the APC driving towards

2437
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:51,280
you and in the background that drop ship pulls away.

2438
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:53,360
I just love it.

2439
02:22:53,360 --> 02:22:56,040
It's so, it's what I want when I go to a movie.

2440
02:22:56,040 --> 02:23:01,480
It's what I want when I'm watching, um, cinematography, like this, this is what I want.

2441
02:23:01,480 --> 02:23:06,120
And, and, and then the sound effects of the machine guns, they're very distinctive.

2442
02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:09,180
Um, you know, and, and they use those things.

2443
02:23:09,180 --> 02:23:13,560
So for me, I gave it a perfect score, uh, which is super rare.

2444
02:23:13,560 --> 02:23:16,600
And I literally asked myself, I'm like, man, these guys are going to think you're just

2445
02:23:16,600 --> 02:23:18,600
some like sucker.

2446
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:25,340
Um, it would be rare for me to give a movie a 100 in visual effects, but I think in 1986

2447
02:23:25,340 --> 02:23:29,940
and especially with, uh, the, the budget, I took that into consideration a little bit,

2448
02:23:29,940 --> 02:23:34,600
but ultimately I think the movie has held up for 40 years, which is difficult.

2449
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:41,160
Like you said, I could watch a movie from 2005 and the seat, I remember I watched, um,

2450
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:46,840
uh, independence day recently, and there's a few effects in there that do not hold up.

2451
02:23:46,840 --> 02:23:52,640
But I was surprised because I love that movie and, uh, like there's a scene, um, have you

2452
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:53,640
seen it?

2453
02:23:53,640 --> 02:23:54,640
Oh, okay.

2454
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:55,640
I won't even say that.

2455
02:23:55,640 --> 02:23:59,720
I won't get hung up on it, but, um, anyway, so I gave it a perfect score.

2456
02:23:59,720 --> 02:24:05,680
I thought that the, and like you, I am a practical effects guy, uh, more so than CGI.

2457
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:07,880
Um, but I can appreciate good CGI.

2458
02:24:07,880 --> 02:24:13,160
So I gave this one a perfect score for, um, special effects.

2459
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:14,160
Hell yeah.

2460
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,760
Hard to argue with that.

2461
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:17,760
Yeah, seriously.

2462
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:20,280
Where are you at Rose?

2463
02:24:20,280 --> 02:24:26,420
Uh, I'm just a point higher than Caleb at a 97 and honestly, Douglas pushed me up by

2464
02:24:26,420 --> 02:24:29,640
one just because of the fact that, no, what, what you said, uh, I'm not, I'm not, I'm

2465
02:24:29,640 --> 02:24:30,640
not, I'm not, I'm not.

2466
02:24:30,640 --> 02:24:34,140
And you said, especially with what budget James Cameron had to work with and how amazing

2467
02:24:34,140 --> 02:24:41,760
these special effects not, I'm sure how amazingly look, not only in 1986, but how amazing they

2468
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:50,460
look in 2024 is like a testament to how amazing he is, not only as a director, but like with

2469
02:24:50,460 --> 02:24:52,480
everything that he puts into his movies.

2470
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:54,360
Um, so yeah, 97.

2471
02:24:54,360 --> 02:24:55,360
Yeah.

2472
02:24:55,360 --> 02:24:56,360
Wow.

2473
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:59,240
Those are, those are still super high scores across the board.

2474
02:24:59,240 --> 02:25:07,200
Yeah. All right. Next up we got music. And this is one where I feel the movies a bit

2475
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:14,200
on the average side. Oh, the score. The scores like, okay. But like, I think we brought this

2476
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:22,340
up last, last time. The score for something like a franchise this iconic, I feel like

2477
02:25:22,340 --> 02:25:33,440
the score should be equally as, but it's not. And like, just getting to it. This is, this

2478
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:37,640
is one I'm at like a six out of 10. Like I thought it was, it was good. I'm the same

2479
02:25:37,640 --> 02:25:48,080
way. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. This is one, like, I feel like it needs for a soundtrack

2480
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:54,320
to be up higher. I need to be able to like have instant recognition. And if you, even

2481
02:25:54,320 --> 02:26:01,280
today, like I watched this movie today. If you were to play the alien score, I pro and

2482
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:10,040
like quiz me, I probably wouldn't be able to pick it out of a lineup. Hmm. Okay. It

2483
02:26:10,040 --> 02:26:14,040
didn't quite resonate with me as much as the rest of the movie did. And like I said, this

2484
02:26:14,040 --> 02:26:22,960
is the only area that I knew that this was going to fall flat. Fair enough. You know,

2485
02:26:22,960 --> 02:26:28,680
I am. I know this is probably going to be our biggest disagreement. Then I gave it a

2486
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:37,120
95. I love the alien soundtrack. It's one of my favorite soundtracks. So disclaimer,

2487
02:26:37,120 --> 02:26:43,960
I've heard this a lot. You know, I can't remember my first impression of it. And, and it's possible

2488
02:26:43,960 --> 02:26:51,040
that it just, it wasn't clicking. Um, but for me, I did love it. I thought that the,

2489
02:26:51,040 --> 02:26:55,920
the music that they played and like going into sub level three really made me scared.

2490
02:26:55,920 --> 02:27:00,280
I remember feeling scared with the music as a kid. He does like an echo sound, like a

2491
02:27:00,280 --> 02:27:05,240
cha cha cha cha cha cha. Sometimes that I thought was pretty effective. And there are two tracks

2492
02:27:05,240 --> 02:27:10,800
that are some of my favorite music ever. Um, Ripley's rescue, which is played when Ripley

2493
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:16,060
goes in for the Marines in the APC. It's very dramatic music. It's very fast. There's a

2494
02:27:16,060 --> 02:27:23,400
snare drum going in it and this like alarming brass, uh, like a klaxon going off. Uh, and

2495
02:27:23,400 --> 02:27:28,160
then there's Bishop's countdown, which is Bishop coming in to get her saving her and

2496
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:33,320
then heading out before the nuclear explosion. Those are two of my favorite tracks. I loved

2497
02:27:33,320 --> 02:27:41,160
them. Um, and it was nominated. Uh, James Horner aliens was nominated for best original

2498
02:27:41,160 --> 02:27:49,520
score that year. Uh, he lost and I was unfamiliar with who he lost to. So like Ripley or Sigourney,

2499
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:54,800
I'm like, did you really win that? Um, however, I totally respect that if it didn't, if it

2500
02:27:54,800 --> 02:28:01,120
didn't leave an impression, um, then, then you gotta go with your gut on it. Uh, and

2501
02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:05,040
like I said, my discipline, I own the soundtrack. I've heard it a lot. So that's probably why

2502
02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:15,240
I'm so gung ho on it. Yeah, it was, it was good. Like the use of, like there's the use

2503
02:28:15,240 --> 02:28:23,760
of sounds was really well executed. It's just, like you said, just didn't, didn't resonate

2504
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:30,480
not in the way that like other big franchise, like, I mean, obviously this is like the extreme

2505
02:28:30,480 --> 02:28:36,760
example like star Wars. Well, yeah. Like, yeah. Like big franchises like that. But I

2506
02:28:36,760 --> 02:28:44,040
don't know. I'd even say like, like Halloween, Halloween has like the iconic. Yeah. And it's

2507
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:51,800
just in terms of like iconic soundtracks, like this is not winning any awards in my

2508
02:28:51,800 --> 02:28:58,200
book. Hey, I know what you mean. I'm not knocking you. I know what you mean. It's not, it, I,

2509
02:28:58,200 --> 02:29:06,040
just to be fair, I do usually prefer thematic, memorable music. Um, like when I say Jurassic

2510
02:29:06,040 --> 02:29:10,600
Park, you know, nobody in the world doesn't know what you're like. They just start humming

2511
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:16,560
it along. You know, uh, this isn't quite that, but I still love this, this particular soundtrack,

2512
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:25,280
but I do know what you mean. A hundred percent. Where are you at Rose? Uh, so I'm the same

2513
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:30,800
as Caleb. Um, and kind of piggybacking off what he said about Halloween, uh, when it

2514
02:29:30,800 --> 02:29:36,320
comes to like movie soundtracks, that's like what I will always go back to because even

2515
02:29:36,320 --> 02:29:42,280
John Carpenter said this when he was writing the score for that, um, if it weren't for

2516
02:29:42,280 --> 02:29:49,720
the music and the sound effects in Halloween, it wouldn't be as scary as it is like the

2517
02:29:49,720 --> 02:29:54,360
parts where like Michael will just like pop out from, uh, from the darkness. If it weren't

2518
02:29:54,360 --> 02:30:00,960
for like the da da da, like it wouldn't be as scary as, as it is. Um, and so, and like

2519
02:30:00,960 --> 02:30:08,200
the, the classic theme song is so iconic. Lori's theme is so iconic. Um, and so this

2520
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:11,880
just might be, this is probably me being biased towards Halloween, you know, favorite horror

2521
02:30:11,880 --> 02:30:18,640
film of all time. Um, I could probably hum that whole soundtrack off the top of my head.

2522
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:24,640
I don't know about that, but like, and you know, like maybe with more viewings of this

2523
02:30:24,640 --> 02:30:29,360
movie, um, I might, you know, like the soundtrack a little more, but just first intention, first

2524
02:30:29,360 --> 02:30:35,280
impressions and comparing it to other, um, big movie soundtracks like Halloween, like

2525
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:39,920
Caleb said, star Wars and you said Jurassic park. It's just, it's just not on that level.

2526
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:45,760
Yeah. And by the way, I'm fully aware that my biases are, um, built up over a long time

2527
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:51,480
with this film, multiple viewings, like it doesn't make my, my judgment any better by

2528
02:30:51,480 --> 02:30:59,720
the way. Uh, and, and first impressions are a gift. Uh, I wish, and who knows if I saw

2529
02:30:59,720 --> 02:31:04,720
this once, uh, you know, in my, in my, in like twenties or thirties, uh, and someone

2530
02:31:04,720 --> 02:31:09,200
asked me, my scores would probably be very different from where they are today. And that

2531
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:14,440
could go either way. I might like something a lot initially and then sour on it over multiple

2532
02:31:14,440 --> 02:31:17,960
viewings. And then there's films like this where the more I see it, the more I think

2533
02:31:17,960 --> 02:31:26,720
I've stacked it. So, um, I do have that in the bias category, so I'm fully aware. Trust

2534
02:31:26,720 --> 02:31:30,160
me, if we were doing Halloween right now, music would be getting a 10 out of 10 for

2535
02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:44,360
me. Hey, right on. Yeah. The only argument would be coming from me. Oh, bad. Uh, I think

2536
02:31:44,360 --> 02:31:52,880
it's a six out of 10 for, for me. Right on. Fair enough. Yeah. All right. Uh, next up,

2537
02:31:52,880 --> 02:32:02,000
we got costumes. So this will include, this includes like anything that it's anything

2538
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:09,880
character based. So like, like I'm including like the, the alien queen in this, I'm counting,

2539
02:32:09,880 --> 02:32:17,440
um, like any of the, the aliens, like all of that good stuff. Like that's all within

2540
02:32:17,440 --> 02:32:23,440
like cost. It's like, it's more like a combination of like costume slash character design. That

2541
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:30,200
might, this was my one low score. I was so excited to tell you I had a low score. Um,

2542
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:35,720
but that makes me rethink it a little because the alien, the queen alien is so freaking

2543
02:32:35,720 --> 02:32:41,880
amazing. Well, I'll give you my initial score and then I'll give you the adjusted score

2544
02:32:41,880 --> 02:32:49,680
after, uh, the, uh, I take maybe the, cause the xenomorph quite honestly is, uh, stacks

2545
02:32:49,680 --> 02:32:55,480
the deck, I think a little bit, cause those things are so freaking awesome. Anyway, for

2546
02:32:55,480 --> 02:33:01,560
the regular costumes, I gave it a 78. I, uh, out of all the things that, that I wasn't

2547
02:33:01,560 --> 02:33:07,280
big on in the movie, I think the costumes were number one. Um, now I still love it,

2548
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:13,840
right? But to be fair, like even the military uniforms, you know, they look a little clunky.

2549
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:19,080
He's got this big light sticking out of his head over here and it's like Vietnam era,

2550
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:25,880
um, military, uh, garb and you know, Ripley's in like a oney with a zipper at one point

2551
02:33:25,880 --> 02:33:32,600
and uh, you know, I don't know. I thought the, the costumes might've been compared to

2552
02:33:32,600 --> 02:33:37,080
the rest of the film. I thought the costumes were much weaker than all the other visuals

2553
02:33:37,080 --> 02:33:44,760
they, they had. Yeah. I, I actually really liked the, the

2554
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:49,920
uniforms that like the Marines were wearing. Like I, I enjoy it. Like I like that armor

2555
02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:59,040
look. Like I, I'm a big sucker for like the big armored look and I understand that the,

2556
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:05,640
uh, like the clunky gear was just a limitation of the time. Yeah. Cause I mean, they actually

2557
02:34:05,640 --> 02:34:12,800
had to have cameras like for some of the stuff that they shot. I assume, I assume that they,

2558
02:34:12,800 --> 02:34:19,520
they had to have those for, for real, but I liked, I liked the, the body armor look

2559
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:26,280
and the way that they went about like decorating it, like putting like little like graffiti

2560
02:34:26,280 --> 02:34:33,200
on it or like even baskets. I like her, her look with the red bandana. I do like the red

2561
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:39,400
bandana. That was cool. Yeah. And then Ripley, her freaking like whole little suit up scene

2562
02:34:39,400 --> 02:34:45,320
in the elevator like that. I love that. I was like crazy for that. And then like that

2563
02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:52,560
alone, like their costumes alone, I would probably put like a seven and a half to like

2564
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:59,840
an eight, like just somewhere in that range, but then throwing in the aliens, which I feel

2565
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:09,160
they improved upon from alien. Agreed. Uh, because they looked a little bit more extraterrestrial

2566
02:35:09,160 --> 02:35:16,400
than like, that's just the basic xenomorphs and then throw in the freaking alien queen.

2567
02:35:16,400 --> 02:35:26,480
My brain exploded. Yeah. He was like, this is the shit. Like this looks so damn good.

2568
02:35:26,480 --> 02:35:32,640
It may not have, there's, I don't know if it could be designed any better. That head.

2569
02:35:32,640 --> 02:35:41,520
So true. Yeah. This is, this is one like those two outfits, like the xenomorphs and the alien

2570
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:50,160
queen bumped me up to a 10. Like there's, it's iconic. Yeah. Like that's how much of

2571
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:56,000
an impact it had on me. Like it just, the design of it was so good. It blew the first

2572
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:58,200
alien out of the water.

2573
02:35:58,200 --> 02:36:05,480
Well, Caleb, you know what? Um, I actually was thinking about that under practical effects,

2574
02:36:05,480 --> 02:36:12,080
which I gave a perfect score. So I pro we're probably splitting the alien design up between

2575
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:18,080
us into two different, two different categories. Um, I mean, if you, if you put that in, in

2576
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:24,440
effects, like feel free to just do like the human, like the reason I didn't give like

2577
02:36:24,440 --> 02:36:28,520
the effects of perfect score. Cause if I would have included the alien queen in that, like

2578
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:32,800
I would probably would have been a perfect score too. Yeah. I love the alien queen. Yeah.

2579
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:39,040
Yeah. It's just, I, I, yeah, I just split it up a little bit different. So however you,

2580
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:43,960
however you want to score it based off whatever you, however you categorize them, like if

2581
02:36:43,960 --> 02:36:48,760
you're alien queen and effects, like you could just do the human characters. I think the

2582
02:36:48,760 --> 02:36:55,000
points will translate out in the aggregate either way. Cause I have a perfect score and

2583
02:36:55,000 --> 02:37:01,400
then I have a lower costume score. Um, so I think, I think in the aggregate it'll, it'll

2584
02:37:01,400 --> 02:37:04,320
work itself out a little bit.

2585
02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:17,280
Okay. So yeah, I, yeah. Solid 10 out of 10. Like the alien queen is iconic. And if it,

2586
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:26,720
for me, if a, if a movie can outdo, especially a practical effect, like the fricking alien,

2587
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:32,160
like that, and it's like, it has an iconic look. Like I try to always like go for like

2588
02:37:32,160 --> 02:37:37,360
a silhouette. Like if the characters have a good silhouette, that's usually equivalent

2589
02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:44,560
to like a 10 out of 10 for me. Oh, that's like depending. Yeah. That's a great, um,

2590
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:50,920
a tactic to judge it by. Yeah. Like that, that's, that's always my, my good thing. Like

2591
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:55,800
I've given movies that have like amazing costumes and nine just because they don't have a good

2592
02:37:55,800 --> 02:38:05,520
silhouette about them. And I've, I've caught some shit for her. Yes, he has, but really

2593
02:38:05,520 --> 02:38:11,160
interesting. Oh, there have been so many times. Okay. Maybe this is like going back to effects,

2594
02:38:11,160 --> 02:38:16,440
but he'll give like, I swear he has a bias against Pixar because there are certain Pixar

2595
02:38:16,440 --> 02:38:21,560
movies like inside out too, that he did not give a hundred for animation. And I'm still

2596
02:38:21,560 --> 02:38:29,280
mad about that. Oh, I, um, I actually thought it was a slight step down from the first one.

2597
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:36,360
Not like it, not that it was bad animation, but I thought it looked a little, a little

2598
02:38:36,360 --> 02:38:42,600
bit lower than the first one. You can't get the wrong can of worms here, Rose. Sorry.

2599
02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:50,120
And I'm not trying to knock it. I actually liked inside out too, a lot. Um, that was,

2600
02:38:50,120 --> 02:38:54,040
it was oddly something that caught me. I was like, huh, inside out too. It looks like possibly

2601
02:38:54,040 --> 02:38:58,680
different animators. Um, but it wasn't bad animation. I still thought it was excellent

2602
02:38:58,680 --> 02:39:03,640
animation. The movie is a blowout at the box office. Oh yeah. So anyway, we don't have

2603
02:39:03,640 --> 02:39:10,320
to get off topic. Yeah. But, uh, that's funny that there was some blood blood there. It

2604
02:39:10,320 --> 02:39:17,640
feels like there always is for Pixar films. Interesting. All right. Where are you at Rose?

2605
02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:24,400
Um, so I am a little lower than you guys. I'm personally at an eight for costumes. Like

2606
02:39:24,400 --> 02:39:29,400
I was not the biggest fan of the military uniforms. I thought they were just all right.

2607
02:39:29,400 --> 02:39:36,400
Because like, like you guys pointed out, like it definitely shows with the times and for

2608
02:39:36,400 --> 02:39:42,480
that it just kind of knocked me down. Uh, but like I truly think that the xenomorph

2609
02:39:42,480 --> 02:39:47,760
and the alien queen look absolutely amazing. Um, and so like if it weren't for them, I'd

2610
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:52,200
be at like probably like a six or a seven. Um, but those two definitely bumped me up to

2611
02:39:52,200 --> 02:39:57,520
an eight. Wow. So, yeah.

2612
02:39:57,520 --> 02:40:05,600
All right. Last step, we got our own personal scores. So let's hear, let's hear from you

2613
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:11,680
first Douglas. Well, I'm not going to, I gave it a perfect score, uh, only from my personal

2614
02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:18,880
thing. This is the biased Doug score because it's one of my all time favorite movies. So

2615
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:23,680
it's in my top three, um, up there with empire strikes back. And I'm actually a big fan of

2616
02:40:23,680 --> 02:40:29,400
the movie Amadeus. These are some of my favorite films of all time. So, uh, I have to give

2617
02:40:29,400 --> 02:40:33,200
one of my favorite films a perfect score.

2618
02:40:33,200 --> 02:40:34,200
Hell yeah.

2619
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:43,600
Yeah. No, no, no shade there. Like we, we, this is what the personal score is for.

2620
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:47,480
Okay. Yeah. That's what I thought. So I thought I'd be forgiven.

2621
02:40:47,480 --> 02:40:55,960
All right. What about you, Rose? Uh, so me, um, like this is one of the best sequels I've

2622
02:40:55,960 --> 02:41:01,680
honestly ever seen comparing it to the first one, um, improved on everything that I enjoy

2623
02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:07,160
from the first and then literally took out everything that I did not like about the first,

2624
02:41:07,160 --> 02:41:13,200
which you know what I appreciate in a sequel. Um, it's a, it's a really good continuation

2625
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:19,880
from the first one. Um, it's a blast to watch from start to finish. And yeah, so personally

2626
02:41:19,880 --> 02:41:24,200
I'm going to be at an 88.

2627
02:41:24,200 --> 02:41:37,120
Yeah. I was actually just a point higher than you. I'm at an 89. I, I really enjoyed this

2628
02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:47,080
movie. It, it's so good. It's, it's kind of everything that you want in a movie like this

2629
02:41:47,080 --> 02:41:51,520
in an alien based movie. You want something like P you want people that are competent

2630
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:57,480
in your action movies. You like it had all like the bits and pieces. And then like I

2631
02:41:57,480 --> 02:42:01,640
said, that's just made me fall in love with Sigourney Weaver all over again. Oh yeah.

2632
02:42:01,640 --> 02:42:07,560
Like she's of absolute gem. Like if there's anything I'm knocking this for it's cause

2633
02:42:07,560 --> 02:42:16,920
it's sometimes really gross. That's my, that's my critique. It's sometimes gross. Yeah. And

2634
02:42:16,920 --> 02:42:23,640
it is. Yeah. I, um, I hated when they found that one survivor and they lifted it and then

2635
02:42:23,640 --> 02:42:28,000
then the chest burster comes out. I, that gave me nightmares also as a kid. And that,

2636
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:32,800
that was, that was absolutely disgusting. And when you're 10 years old, you're thinking

2637
02:42:32,800 --> 02:42:39,000
you're, you're like, that's the way this person died. Like it's like traumatic watching this.

2638
02:42:39,000 --> 02:42:48,480
Yeah. Oh man. And I know that you guys, um, take very seriously where these things rank

2639
02:42:48,480 --> 02:42:56,360
out at. Um, if I'm throwing off the curve on this one, uh, feel free to remove, uh,

2640
02:42:56,360 --> 02:43:00,560
my scribe will not take it personal if it disrupts the, the ladder that you guys are

2641
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:07,000
building a ranking films. I totally get what you're doing. We would never do that to anybody.

2642
02:43:07,000 --> 02:43:17,280
That was exactly what I did. DJ a long time ago. Is he just off his own friends? CJ on

2643
02:43:17,280 --> 02:43:27,920
the, in, in, in, maybe on some stuff. All right. So with that, that wraps up this week's

2644
02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:33,520
breakdown going through these scores real quick. Starting off with story, we ended up

2645
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:46,120
averaging out to a 92.67. The writing is at an 89.67. The acting is sitting at an 87.33.

2646
02:43:46,120 --> 02:43:56,560
Uh, the character development is sitting at a 94. The effects are our highest category

2647
02:43:56,560 --> 02:44:05,160
setting at a 97.67. Music ended up averaging out to a seven out of 10. The costumes is

2648
02:44:05,160 --> 02:44:10,000
sitting at an eight out of 10. And then our personal scores ended up averaging out to

2649
02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:18,600
a 92.33. Wow. So with that, the final all bros letter grade for aliens has come out

2650
02:44:18,600 --> 02:44:32,760
to a B plus B plus high eighties. Yep. Super high eighties. It's actually just shy of,

2651
02:44:32,760 --> 02:44:43,480
uh, of an a minus. Oh wow. Yeah. So our cutoff for an a minus is 90%. This ended up scoring

2652
02:44:43,480 --> 02:44:54,480
an 89.83%. It was like right there, right there. And just to compare this to last week's

2653
02:44:54,480 --> 02:45:07,120
episode, this puts it, I guess, or nevermind. Let me just do the, it puts it 8% above alien.

2654
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:11,480
That sounds about right. Yeah. So alien is sitting at a B minus. This is sitting at a

2655
02:45:11,480 --> 02:45:19,080
B plus. Yeah. I, uh, I would have probably rated some of the things, uh, last week slightly

2656
02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:25,440
higher, slightly. Um, there would have been zero perfect scores on any category, but alien

2657
02:45:25,440 --> 02:45:31,380
is also not one of my all time favorite films like aliens. Um, I love it. It's a great film.

2658
02:45:31,380 --> 02:45:38,160
It's a rewatcher for me every now and then, but, uh, not like this one, this one, uh,

2659
02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:46,800
this one, like I said, top three. So you caught me on a really, on one of my favorites. Yeah.

2660
02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:55,480
So let's, according to our ranking system, this is sitting, uh, do we want to go above

2661
02:45:55,480 --> 02:46:03,280
or below first? Let's go below it. Yeah. Let's see what's below. Okay. So this is sitting

2662
02:46:03,280 --> 02:46:15,280
below elf and just barely 0.02% difference on that one. Like it's, it toy margins. Uh,

2663
02:46:15,280 --> 02:46:23,760
it is also sitting below ghostbusters frozen empire. Hmm. Oh wow. Uh, it is below dawn

2664
02:46:23,760 --> 02:46:32,520
of the planet of the apes. That's a good movie. Yeah. It is below the Avengers. Love that

2665
02:46:32,520 --> 02:46:41,720
movie and it is below rocket man rocket. Oh, the, um, yeah, the Elton John, John, I haven't

2666
02:46:41,720 --> 02:46:45,960
seen that one yet. It pretty good one. Sounds like you guys liked it. I got to check it

2667
02:46:45,960 --> 02:46:55,600
out. Yeah. But the difference between rocket man and aliens is 0.1%. But, but that's why

2668
02:46:55,600 --> 02:47:00,200
you have your system. We wanted to see, is it a, is it a hair's breadth slightly better

2669
02:47:00,200 --> 02:47:07,480
in its aggregate? You know, that was the point. I liked your system. Yeah. And let's see,

2670
02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:16,720
go in the opposite direction. It is sitting above ghostbusters afterlife. Okay. It is

2671
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:26,800
above black widow. Okay. It is above the matrix revolutions. All right. Uh, it is also above

2672
02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:34,840
light year. I haven't seen that. It's pretty good. Is it good? He likes that movie. Oh,

2673
02:47:34,840 --> 02:47:42,440
okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard mixed things about it, but I'm not against it. I just haven't

2674
02:47:42,440 --> 02:47:52,120
seen it yet. Yeah. And then finally it is above Spider-Man far from home. Far from home. That's

2675
02:47:52,120 --> 02:47:58,840
the second one. Okay. Right on. Very cool. Yeah. You guys have a, um, what I like about

2676
02:47:58,840 --> 02:48:05,560
it is it's a system that takes out just the overall score. Cause that's essentially what

2677
02:48:05,560 --> 02:48:09,480
most people want to do. They want to just take their overall, like my overall is a hundred.

2678
02:48:09,480 --> 02:48:13,920
It'd be way up at the top, but when you break it down, it gives you a chance to take a critical

2679
02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:20,000
analysis and, uh, see where it really stacks up when you really think about it. Um, with

2680
02:48:20,000 --> 02:48:26,720
the criteria you'd set up all eight categories. Yeah. Our only grouping is the, this like

2681
02:48:26,720 --> 02:48:32,880
the letter grade. Once we get into the rankings, that's where like some really fun stuff happens.

2682
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:41,880
Crazy that ended up below and above a Ghostbusters film. Yeah. I noticed that. Yeah. Like perfectly

2683
02:48:41,880 --> 02:48:48,120
sandwiched between them. That's awesome. But I mean, the difference between Ghostbusters

2684
02:48:48,120 --> 02:48:55,240
afterlife and Ghostbusters frozen empire is literally 0.1%. Wow. So, and then, so the

2685
02:48:55,240 --> 02:49:03,960
difference between go after life and aliens is also 0.1. Wow. And then I like both of

2686
02:49:03,960 --> 02:49:09,360
the Ghostbusters, um, uh, afterlife and frozen empire for different reasons. They were both

2687
02:49:09,360 --> 02:49:15,760
cool and in totally different ways. Yeah. Yeah. And like the, yeah. So the difference between

2688
02:49:15,760 --> 02:49:28,480
frozen empire and aliens is 0.04. Wow. Like I said, our B plus is probably our biggest,

2689
02:49:28,480 --> 02:49:35,840
uh, category. Well, that's great. Yeah. Well, it makes sense because what I think what you

2690
02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:41,200
guys are trying to avoid is that, and that's why I was almost nervous about putting perfect

2691
02:49:41,200 --> 02:49:47,600
scores on anything. Cause what you don't want is like five, 50,000 a plus movies, right?

2692
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:53,960
Cause then it means nothing. So B plus is actually a super high score because, uh, you

2693
02:49:53,960 --> 02:49:58,000
know, rarely does a movie deserve a perfect score in any one category. It would have to

2694
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:03,200
really stand out. And, um, you know, so I think B plus is where a lot of your great

2695
02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:08,640
movies would stack up. And of course you have the A's. I mean, they're going to be there,

2696
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:15,720
but, uh, you know, less fewer A's than B's I would imagine. Oh yeah. Like we only have

2697
02:50:15,720 --> 02:50:37,800
nine A's and 43 A minuses. Okay. 43 shit. And then B plus is we have 70.

2698
02:50:37,800 --> 02:50:46,760
Honestly, that makes sense because we're pro you guys probably wouldn't spend too much

2699
02:50:46,760 --> 02:50:50,720
time talking about movies you hate. Um, you know what I'm saying? Like, so you're probably

2700
02:50:50,720 --> 02:50:55,520
looking at movies you generally like, right. And then trying to be as critical and fair

2701
02:50:55,520 --> 02:51:00,520
as you could possibly be. So that makes sense. It makes sense that this is how this would,

2702
02:51:00,520 --> 02:51:09,160
um, eventually look on a, on a serious system. Yeah. Like are anything like, so C minus and

2703
02:51:09,160 --> 02:51:18,720
lower we have 24 of those movies. Exactly. It's just less fun talking about something

2704
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:25,200
unless there's some general interest in it. You know, there there's some that are like

2705
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:31,840
really fun to rip on though. Oh yeah. Like we, like we have, uh, cats is down there.

2706
02:51:31,840 --> 02:51:38,720
Which one? Cats. Oh, I haven't even seen it. Oh yeah. I've heard it's pretty creepy. Those

2707
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:45,360
costumes though. Yeah. I feel if they actually would have given the animators the amount

2708
02:51:45,360 --> 02:51:50,360
of time that they needed, it would have been a little better. Hmm. Well, I mean, it's one

2709
02:51:50,360 --> 02:51:54,480
of the longest running musicals of all time. You think they would do be able to pull something

2710
02:51:54,480 --> 02:52:02,920
off. Yeah. So I'm a little scared about wicked, but I hope they nail that one. I, it should

2711
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:09,440
be good. I hope it is. Yeah. Same here. Yeah. The soundtrack is going to be ridiculous though.

2712
02:52:09,440 --> 02:52:18,480
Agreed. 100%. It could be a runaway hit if they get this right. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah,

2713
02:52:18,480 --> 02:52:24,840
the quote unquote bad movies, like those are always really fun to talk about. I totally,

2714
02:52:24,840 --> 02:52:31,640
you're right. Yeah. I bet. But in as long as they're not, you still have to temper it,

2715
02:52:31,640 --> 02:52:38,320
right? You don't want episode after episode. Yeah. True. Very true. Yeah. We've been on,

2716
02:52:38,320 --> 02:52:42,920
like we, I feel like we split it up pretty even. Like there's some stretches where it's

2717
02:52:42,920 --> 02:52:49,240
like nothing but bees. And then we come in with like Winnie the Pooh blood and honey

2718
02:52:49,240 --> 02:52:55,760
and that comes in at an F and then we have a couple of a-minuses sprinkled in there that

2719
02:52:55,760 --> 02:53:02,080
we go through. We seem to go anytime we hit us like a C there's usually a good stretch

2720
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:08,200
of time where there's like a few C's in a row. Oh, they come in. They come in groups.

2721
02:53:08,200 --> 02:53:16,240
Yeah. Like our last one was like Saltburn and then we had one or four other movies that

2722
02:53:16,240 --> 02:53:25,000
scored in the C's like shortly after that within like a six week period. Interesting.

2723
02:53:25,000 --> 02:53:31,960
It's fun to see how like our periods of time go. Well, you know what's weird too is even

2724
02:53:31,960 --> 02:53:37,680
like I'm an avid reader and I'll read a book and I'll freaking love it. It's like an A

2725
02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:43,200
plus kind of a book and then I'll try to chase that high. But no matter what I do, I get

2726
02:53:43,200 --> 02:53:47,120
like C plus, C plus, C plus. So I'm like, man, I did all this research to pick this

2727
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:51,600
book out and it just does not hold up. So it is weird how these things come in waves,

2728
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:58,900
you know? But I will tell you, I did have to sign off. I told my wife I'd be two hours

2729
02:53:58,900 --> 02:54:05,240
and we went over, which is great. I actually love this. This was a great conversation.

2730
02:54:05,240 --> 02:54:12,320
I had a real blast with you guys and I'd love to keep in touch with you if you don't mind.

2731
02:54:12,320 --> 02:54:18,560
Yeah, absolutely. Any time a movie comes up that you want to talk about, like feel free.

2732
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:24,200
Like we love when people reach out. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'll follow you on YouTube and I'll

2733
02:54:24,200 --> 02:54:31,880
try to find you guys on social media and everything and be a pal the social media way, you know?

2734
02:54:31,880 --> 02:54:36,320
And then yeah, I'll keep in touch with you guys and maybe we could pick out a movie that

2735
02:54:36,320 --> 02:54:41,080
I'm not like not a top three, you know, something where it's a little bit more like maybe Alien

2736
02:54:41,080 --> 02:54:46,240
Romulus. Maybe that'll be a good one or or something totally different, you know? So

2737
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:54,040
absolutely. So is there anything you want to promote before you have to bounce? Just

2738
02:54:54,040 --> 02:55:01,640
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2739
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2740
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2742
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2744
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2745
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2746
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2748
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2749
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we'll put I'll get some some links from you and put them in the episode description. Oh,

2750
02:56:09,040 --> 02:56:18,680
okay. Awesome. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it guys. You guys rock and this this was a blast

2751
02:56:18,680 --> 02:56:24,840
of a conversation. Thank you for being on. We appreciate it. Had a blast. Yeah, thank

2752
02:56:24,840 --> 02:56:35,160
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2753
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2758
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I believe from what Caleb said that we're we're going to be doing Borderlands. I think

2759
02:57:12,760 --> 02:57:20,440
that's what you said, right? Yeah. Yeah. So someone recommend that we that one. And I

2760
02:57:20,440 --> 02:57:24,000
don't think he's played the have you played the game? I've not played the game. Neither

2761
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:29,880
vice. Okay, that's why they that's why they asked us to. Okay, so this this is going to

2762
02:57:29,880 --> 02:57:36,480
make sense. I haven't heard the best thing. So maybe. Yeah, it's good to have not played

2763
02:57:36,480 --> 02:57:45,640
the game to see what that take would be. Yeah. So I'm excited, honestly. But anyway, this

2764
02:57:45,640 --> 02:57:51,180
has been the Albrows podcast. I'm Jonathan. And I'm Caleb. And we will catch you guys

2765
02:57:51,180 --> 02:58:18,840
next week. See you deuces.