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What is up bros, I'm Jonathan.

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And I'm Caleb.

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And we're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews

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out there with as little bias as possible.

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Welcome to the all bros.

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This week on the podcast, we'll be talking about weekly watch.

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Since we've been gone for a couple weeks, you'd think that we would have a lot to discuss

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with maybe watching but we do not.

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I know I've just I've been watching a lot more shows than dude, same these like I, I

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started my second watch through of the office and that's, that's literally what I've been

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focusing my watch watchable time watchability time, whatever on that's literally where all

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of it's going.

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Yeah, all my streaming at least lately.

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So I watched the new live action Avatar series on Netflix.

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I did not hate it.

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It's like I have an interesting relationship with it because it's like, I knew going in

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that it was not going to be as good as the the animated, like you have to go in with

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that mindset that they're not, it's not going to be as good.

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It wasn't by any stretch of the imagination.

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But I did like some of the changes that they made.

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Some of them were odd, but others were okay.

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So I mean, I overall enjoyed it.

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What's what's funny is someone compared it to the there's an episode on season three

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of the last Airbender series, where they are watching a basically a play of their adventures.

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Oh, God, yeah, and it's super cheesy.

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And it's like super overdone.

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And the characters are like, I'm not like that.

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Even though there's like that those hints of those characters in those.

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And then they while they're walking out, they're just like, that show is horrible.

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And they're like, Well, I didn't hate it.

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And then someone's like, at least the effects were good.

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And I'm like, dude, that's exactly how it was.

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Like initially, I was like, I don't know if I like this.

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And then I finished it and I was like, OK, I didn't hate it.

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And then I was like, but the effects were pretty bitching.

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So yeah, there was a lot of changes that that were made, but a lot of good ones, too.

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Okay.

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So I'm interested.

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I will be watching season two and three.

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But I am on the fence.

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Like they are walking a very fine line, like it's it's mess up one big thing and I'm done.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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Yeah.

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So that actually sparked me rewatching the entire series again, the animated one.

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But it didn't get you to revisit Sean Lawn's version.

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Absolutely.

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Come on.

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That is the entire rest of my life without watching that.

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That is peak cinema.

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That is what you're actually mine.

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I know.

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I know.

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But anyway, I know we typically don't talk about like series and stuff that we watch,

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but felt like we had to.

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No, it's fair.

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So yeah, so we'll be talking about that.

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And then after that, we will move on to our headliner of the evening, which will be our

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breakdown of the Hunger Games, the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.

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Hell yes.

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So yeah.

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All right, Caleb, we see we get started.

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All right.

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So getting into our weekly watches, what we've literally watched for the past three weeks,

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like I said, not much.

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I literally have one thing because like I said, the only thing that I've really been

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watching is The Office.

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That's literally what most of my time has gone to because I kind of needed a comedy

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show right now just to just to help with some stuff that's going on.

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So I think everyone has a comfort show.

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Like we usually mine.

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My mind's usually Superstore, which I just finished like like my fourth time, fourth

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watch through.

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And I figured I never I've only watched The Office once through.

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So why not?

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Let's start a second watch through.

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And I'm glad I did because I'm enjoying it as much as I did the first time.

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Oh, Superstore is great.

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Right.

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I love that show so much.

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That is my all time favorite show.

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And I offended my sister when I said that because for the longest time, it used to be

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friends and that was both of our favorite shows.

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But I'm sorry, Superstore that that that is my that is my goat.

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That is that is my show.

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Fair enough.

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I can get into friends as as hard as you did.

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It's not for everyone.

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I know a lot what ruins it a lot for people is the laugh track.

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And I can understand that because like I will I'll even admit like the laugh track ruins

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like the Big Bang Theory.

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So I think the laugh track needs to slowly disappear.

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sitcoms.

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I don't know sitcoms work like a little bit, but I want they wouldn't be nearly as funny

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without the laugh track.

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True.

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Like telling it's basically telling you when you need to laugh.

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Excuse me.

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Yes.

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I can't stand that shit.

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It's like no, I I decide when I laugh at a joke.

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I determine when it's funny.

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Not you.

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No, exactly.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But so getting past shows, movies, the only one that I watched and this was like probably

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two weeks ago.

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I watched the Florida Project because I was in because this movie came back out came out

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back in 2017.

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And it's one of I think a 24 is like earliest movies before like they like hit it big as

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a independent studio and also I'm really glad that I finally watched it.

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It reminded me it reminds you a lot of being a kid.

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And honestly, from what I went through growing up, I could relate to it a lot for what this

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little girl and her friends go through.

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Because like, like a quick just rundown of the story.

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It's about a little girl who is living with her mom in a motel and Willem Dafoe is the

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manager of the motel.

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And you basically the whole movie is just showcasing her I guess her adventures with

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with her friends while also showcasing the relationship she has with her mom and what

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her mom is going through with trying to make ends meet for them.

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And the ending is like really depressing.

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Like I honestly started tearing up.

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But but also the ending ends so abruptly like it.

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I had to think on it for a little bit.

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It made sense how it ends like from a kid's perspective, but just it ends so abruptly

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that like it kind of took me back for a minute.

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I'm like, Okay, oh shit, we're just ending like that.

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All right.

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But no really, really good movie.

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I had a really good good time with it.

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When the movie first begins, the the little kids, because they they, they go to like the

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top floor of the motel, and they start spitting on this car on this lady's car.

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And she walks out, I think to have a cigarette.

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And she you know, she sees this bit coming down and she yells up, she said, What the

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hell are you doing?

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Why are you doing that?

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Where's your mom?

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And they just start yelling at her.

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You're not the boss of me, bitch.

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Like yada yada yada.

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I'm like, Damn, like I, you know what, this is definitely kids, like I get it.

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But like, I'm gonna I'm gonna be fully honest, like the first 20 minutes, I'm like, these

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kids are little shits.

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I do not like them at all.

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Dude, the freaking I don't understand how kids can say, I know this is because of how

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I was raised, but the I just like even now, the thought of speaking to an adult like that

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fills me with such anxiety.

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Because I know, I know the second like I even like got close to if if if I was talking to

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an adult, and they interpreted my tone as giving them attitude.

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I knew I would end it if they went and told my parents, I knew I was going to get my ass

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beat.

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See what Caleb just said just proves that he did not grow up in California.

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So yeah, the the hotel is like right next to see their Yeah, Disneyland.

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And yeah, just hearing you say all that like, yeah, especially in like the like, Air Force

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area that they were in.

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It doesn't surprise me at all.

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Like growing up in California as a little kid experiencing like these kind of areas,

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and being in their predicament that they were.

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I'm not like the the mouth that was on these kids not surprised at all.

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I had that mouth.

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Yeah, fair.

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I like don't get me wrong.

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I knew what cussing was.

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I was not brave enough to do it until like junior high.

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And then even then I was like, I would like whisper it.

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I want to point this out.

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No, yeah, because okay, so even after high school, Caleb was not a fan of the effort.

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He hated the effort.

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I had to do so much convincing to get him to go see 22 Dump Street, because like for

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anyone that's seen that movie is like F this F that it took so much convincing to get him

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to go see that.

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Like he rose Rose saw that I was in a very stronghold of a shelter.

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And he came in with a freaking wrecking ball and is like, guess what?

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We're watching.

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So yeah, now it doesn't bother me like hearing it nearly as much because now I understand

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that it's just a word.

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My upbringing was was fun, to say the least.

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I helped him definitely understand what what Joy's cursing can I know I'm not even going

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to say that sounds like kind of like f'd up saying that.

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No, it's crazy.

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Like if you're against anything in turn like and this could be cussing, it can be I don't

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know, like frickin nudity or violence, horror.

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If you're turned off to any of that in any capacity, you're missing out on great cinema.

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Yeah, no, like seriously, like I think that's ultimately what I discovered or what you helped

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me discover with that is I now I appreciate comedies like listen, I don't I still don't

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like to hear the f word, but it's I'm fine with it because if I if I was totally against

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hearing that I would miss it on so many great movies.

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And me being like as into like as big of a fan of movies, I mean, hell, we have a frickin

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movie podcast.

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Like I I don't know if I would have been able to appreciate cinema as much as I do now.

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And it's all because I've learned to let my my feelings about that's that shit go.

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But yeah, I was like I said, my upbringing, it was I would get in trouble.

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Like did it kind of tell you how things went in my household?

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I would get in trouble for shit other kids did.

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That doesn't surprise me at all.

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Like if there was a kid acting up, I remember getting whacked.

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I'm like, do you ever act like that?

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I'm like, are you shitting me?

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That's some bullshit.

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I know I it's funny to laugh about now.

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Yeah, I'm just like, how ridiculous is it that I got frickin whacked because of some

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kid being a little punk that is so messed up.

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And then even if I'd like kind of like I wouldn't even like mouth off, I'd just be like, uh-huh.

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And then I whack like, you don't talk to me like that.

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Like, yeah.

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Oh, shit.

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But as for the Florida project, I would give it a stream.

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And so like I've noticed people in like our comments, like when we post this stuff on

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social media, they'll be like, oh, you talked this movie so much up, but you'll get you.

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You gave it a stream.

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And I think Kayla pointed out in the comments where we put we when it comes to our grading

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system, it's how you should enjoy the movie when it comes to watching it.

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And so while you should absolutely watch the Florida project, it is one of a 24 is best

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movies. I feel with certain a 24 movies, it's there.

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You don't need to see them in the theaters.

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This is one that you don't really like maybe if you like dying to go see every a 24 movie

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on the big screen.

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Sure.

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Go see this on a five dollar Tuesday.

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Completely get that.

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But this is one of those a 24 films that it's like, you know what?

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You don't need to.

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There's like nothing that you need to see on the big screen.

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The story is still great.

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The characters are still great.

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But it's OK if you just watch it on your TV at home.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

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Is this one that you feel could have been like an Oscar nomination?

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Absolutely.

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And what's actually I'm curious if it was it was it.

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So this is what I have to say about movies like that, where it feels like it could have

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gone to the Oscars and gotten nominated for something is very, very few Oscar winning

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movies I feel need to be seen on the big screen.

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That's the big ones or anything nomination.

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Yeah.

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Anything that goes or anything that needs to be seen in theaters would have to be up

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for a nomination in like special effects or something.

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That's right.

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Like if you're looking at the like the nominees for Best Picture from the from this year's

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Oscars, the one that comes to mind that you have to see on the big screen, Oppenheimer.

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Yep.

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Like, come on, you have to see the atomic bomb go off on the biggest screen possible.

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Yeah.

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I would even say with Barbie, too, but that's just because the production, like the sets

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looked incredible.

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Oh, God, don't get me started with how bad Barbie was snubbed at the Oscars this year.

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Oh, man.

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Oh, God, pisses me off so much.

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I think what irritated me this whole Oscar season pissed me off.

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I think what got me, though, was Robert Downey winning.

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Like I think he definitely deserves to win an Oscar for Oppenheimer.

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That's bullshit.

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Yeah, I think him winning for that is kind of the same way a lot of people felt with

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Leonardo DiCaprio with the Revenant.

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Like it wasn't his best performance, but the Academy finally realized, OK, you know what?

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We better get this guy an Oscar finally.

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And I'm sure that's how the Academy felt this year with RDJ.

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That's dumb.

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That's dumb, though.

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I feel he deserved best.

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Actually, Paul Giamatti, I would have loved it if it went to him.

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But oh my, Killian Murphy was just remarkable as Oppenheimer.

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I have seen Killian Murphy and better, and I think that should have gone to Paul.

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I don't think I've seen anything as great as Paul Giamatti's acting in turn, like with

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the other movies.

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Like nothing holds a candle to how well he acted in the holdovers.

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No, that's fair.

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Like honestly, I was going to be happy if either of them won.

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Like if neither of them won, I would have been pretty mad.

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Yeah.

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But the fact that Killian won, I'm happy.

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If Paul would have won, I would have been happy.

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Anyway, so yeah, that was it for you, right?

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Yep, that's it for me.

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OK, so in anticipation of Kung Fu Panda 4, that is I think that's out already or it's

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coming out soon?

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Yeah, it came out last Friday.

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Yeah, so my daughter's seen the trailers for this or for Kung Fu Panda 4 and she wants

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to go see it and I told, mosquitoes?

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So I told her that if we are going to go see Kung Fu Panda 4, we have to watch all of the

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Kung Fu Panda movies and she's like, totally, let's do it.

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And so we watch, actually we just finished this one today.

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So yeah, so rewinding a bit, I also haven't watched very many movies.

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All of the movies that I've seen or that are on my weekly watch today are ones that I watched

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yesterday and today.

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You just suck.

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Yeah, because I've been in the process of, or for those of you that pay attention to

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shit like that, I am in a new studio space.

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Me and my wife, we moved into a house.

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We also had a new kid, so we have a new assistant editor until I think of a better title for

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him.

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We got a new kid, new house, new studio, a little bit new everything, so that's why I

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haven't been watching very many movies and been watching the shows.

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So yeah, we finished Kung Fu Panda today.

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It holds up extremely well.

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I find it hilarious.

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I can't wait.

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This just makes me excited to see Ian McShane's character come back in Kung Fu Panda 4.

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I hope they don't freaking snub his character though.

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I hope he's in it for a decent chunk.

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Who was Ian?

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He was the bad guy.

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Oh, uh.

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What?

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You didn't like him?

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No, no.

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I'm saying I'm doing that reaction for his part in Kung Fu Panda 4.

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Yeah.

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Sorry, spoiler alert, dude.

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I hope he has a bigger role than.

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I don't know.

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I think I'm setting my expectations a bit too high.

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But yeah, I just from what I've seen, I might lower them a little bit because everyone that

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I've seen says the fourth one is the worst out of.

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Oh no, serious, which but you know, I mean, you might be different because freaking I

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don't know if you saw the box office, but it had the best opening after or it had the

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best opening since the first.

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OK, yeah.

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So yeah, Kung Fu Panda 4 had an amazing opening.

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I love these movies, so.

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That's a little disappointing to hear.

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But anyway, we'll see.

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Anyway, this movie holds up.

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I'm giving this a stream it because I don't know if it has the like.

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Big screen.

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Sin like theatrical value anymore.

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But this is still a really fun one to sit down and watch.

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I had a great time with all the jokes and I.

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I still like could almost quote this movie.

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Excuse me, even though I haven't seen it in years.

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And I think that's that's mainly due to Jack Black and his portrayal of this character.

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But yeah, so I'm excited to re explore these so I you guys can probably expect two and

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three to be on my next weekly watch.

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The next movie coming after that.

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Yeah, the next movie that I watched is another one that my daughter wanted to watch.

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She wanted to watch the chocolate movie, so we re watched Wonka.

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And I gotta say, it holds up amazingly well.

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Like I enjoyed the.

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Streaming experience probably as much as I enjoyed the theatrical.

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And it was able to keep my daughter's attention, which was surprising to me.

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Yeah, so I she freaking loved it like all of the freaking songs.

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Like even the frickin the one that I dislike the scrub scrub one.

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Like she she went like she ran off and into her room and went came back with like some

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of her dirty clothes and was like doing the scrubbing motion and everything.

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Oh my god, that is adorable.

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I know, right?

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So yeah, I think we ended up giving this one a full price and I'm standing by that.

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I would absolutely pay to see this in theaters again.

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I would even go for a sing along version.

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Oh dude, I would too.

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Yeah, so this put me on a Wonka kick.

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So I ended up watching the OG Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

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And I haven't seen this movie since.

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I was 12 or 13 years old.

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And so a lot of those jokes went over my head and I caught every single one that I missed.

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And I got to say this movie is frickin hilarious.

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It holds up extremely well.

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Like I can't think of a single thing that doesn't hold up.

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Like even some of like their their special effects held up really well.

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Like I'm thinking when, what's his name, Mike or something like that?

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He gets shrunk.

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Yeah, when he gets shrunk down on the TV, I thought that looked great.

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So I was super impressed with that.

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You know, I do.

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I really want to ask, because I've been thinking about this since honestly Wonka came to Blu-ray.

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I want to ask the director of Wonka if if Wonka is supposed to kind of be like a little

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bit of a loose prequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

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Like if you're wanting to like maybe try to keep it as close to the original as possible

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or at least as much as you can.

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I want to know why he made the Oompa Loompa so small, like and not as big as they are

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in the original.

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Well, I think he kind of addressed that and saying that.

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Yeah, because he said he is shorter than the other Oompa Loompas.

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Like he's one of the short ones.

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That's true.

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But like even like looking at how like the group shots that we see of them as he's very

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small like the yeah, like I mean, I'm just nitpicking here.

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But like for for as close like because like they look exactly as they do in the original.

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So like why aren't they the same height or at least I don't know if they if that size

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would have worked for the visual stuff that they were going for with that size of or with

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that type of Oompa Loompa.

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That's fair.

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I think if it was any bigger, it would have felt weird.

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All right, fair enough.

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At least like with in terms of like, I'm just thinking like when he has his little briefcase

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and he's like in his little like reclining chair and everything, I don't know if that

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would have hit with a normal size Oompa Loompa.

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That's true.

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All right.

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Fair enough.

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But I mean, I think I think they did the best that they could, especially like you said,

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a very loose adaptation.

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Like I highly doubted that even before I went in, I didn't think I knew it was going to

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be like somewhat related, but I figured that there was going to be some sort of detachment.

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And I mean, if all we're really complaining about is the size of the Oompa Loompas, like

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it's not bad.

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That's true.

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Although ask him.

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Oh my God, who played the Oompa Loompa again?

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Hugh Grant.

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Literally ask him literally anything about Wonka.

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He will lead it into, oh, I hated playing the Oompa Loompas so much just because the

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motion capture that that is him in every single interview.

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Why do you do it?

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Because he has kids to feed.

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I think that's actually what he said is he you're telling me Hugh Grant is is hurting

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for money.

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I don't know.

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That seems like bullshit.

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Okay.

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Anyway, I am also given this movie a full price ticket recommendation because I think

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it is just as good as Wonka.

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Oh, dude, I wish I could have.

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They need to do like a Fathom events presentation of this movie because I would love to see

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this on the big screen.

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Dude, they did one at my theater and I freaking missed it.

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Oh, damn.

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Yeah, like I always find out like anytime I like those throwback ones, they don't put

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like I'll go at the end of the month to watch whatever I need to and then I skip a week

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and then I'll come and like watch whatever movie it is we need to watch and then I'll

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see their throwbacks and it like they'll have like the four throwbacks and I always miss

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the one that I wanted to see out of those four.

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Like without fail, it's always been one that I'm like, oh, I go see that and then like

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I'll check the list and it's I've missed it.

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Definitely.

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I think last month to celebrate, I think like the 85th anniversary of it.

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They did the Wizard of Oz and I'm kicking myself for not being able to see that on the

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big screen.

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I would love to see that on the big screen.

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Right.

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That would have been so freaking cool.

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Yeah.

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Gosh, I need I need to figure out which theater because I'm my go to is AMC and so I'm trying

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I've been debating whether it's worth continuing to go to that AMC or to go to the theater

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that's a little bit closer.

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Like it's honestly like a few minute difference but just because I still have like all the

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rewards from AMC.

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So it's just like do I wanna like and I also kind of want to pay for the like eventually

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once I get a hold of like how much I'm paying for this house.

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I also want to get a feel for how like how it would be to pay for the gold membership

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because you get three free movies a week.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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So I'm like that's almost worth the few extra minutes.

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Plus you get discounts on your concessions and you don't have to pay the online fees

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and all that good stuff.

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Like there's a lot of good benefits to AMC.

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I just want to put a little closer.

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So it's basically like Cinemark just plus two free movies because of Cinemark you just

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get one free movie or you get one ticket every time your membership renews per month.

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Yeah.

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So you get three per week.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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That's cool.

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Yeah.

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And you can use those in any like theatrical experience.

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So you can use that on like an IMAX.

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Like if your AMC has an IMAX.

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Yeah.

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So you can use that for an IMAX ticket and not have to pay anything extra.

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Yes.

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And I mean Cinemark has kind of that too.

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Well not kind of they do because yeah I will count towards that and like the you get 20

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percent off concessions waived online fees.

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But yeah it seems like AMC is definitely has some more perks that makes it worth more makes

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it worth it more.

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Yeah.

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So like I said I might continue going to the AMC.

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I'll just have to be very like particular about when I go.

485
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But I mean we'll see.

486
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:13,240
I'll check out like I've been doing some cross referencing with like some other theaters

487
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,600
just to see if there's any other like theaters that offer something similar.

488
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Obviously I doubt it's going to be like three free movies but I'll see.

489
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,840
But yeah so that's all I've watched this week.

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All right.

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All right well so that wraps up weekly watches.

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So what do you say we get into our headliner of the evening.

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I say let's do it.

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All right so before we get into our breakdown of the Hunger Games the Ballad of Songbirds

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and Snakes Caleb you want to let people know how we break down movies on this podcast.

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I would love to.

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So if you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different

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categories that we individually score to come to a final all bros letter grade.

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The eight categories that we score are story writing acting character development effects

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music costumes and then we give it our own personal score at the very end.

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All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us

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a letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.

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So if you have not seen the Hunger Games the Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes we are about

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to spoil the entire freaking thing for you in our favorite segment that we like to call

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reading with Rose.

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So yeah so if you listen beyond this point and anything is spoiled for you it is your

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own damn fault.

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So we will be posting that spoiler warning now.

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So you have been properly warned.

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So without further ado Rose would you like to take it away.

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Absolutely.

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In dystopian war ravaged Panem, Snow Family patriarch general Crassus Snow Crassus dies

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in the first rebellion between the capital and 13 districts.

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Years later Crassus son Coriolanus is one of the 24 Academy students selected to mentor

515
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,880
a tenth annual Hunger Games tribute.

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00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Coriolanus hopes for the plinth prize scholarship to restore his family's prosperity.

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00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Games creator and Academy Dean Casca Highbottom advises the mentors to focus on entertainment

518
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rather than tributes winning.

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Coriolanus's wealthy friend and fellow mentor Sejanus Plinth resents the games cruelty.

520
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Coriolanus is assigned district 12 female tribute Lucy Gray Baird.

521
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,760
Is it Baird or Bird?

522
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,760
I can't remember.

523
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,760
I think it was Baird.

524
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,760
It was Baird?

525
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,760
Okay.

526
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Baird.

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00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,580
During the reaping ceremony she engages capital viewers by slipping a snake down the dress

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00:35:33,580 --> 00:35:38,640
of Mayor Lipp's daughter Mayfair then defiantly singing.

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00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,940
Coriolanus earns Lucy Gray's trust accompanying her to the capital zoo where tributes are

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00:35:42,940 --> 00:35:45,040
publicly caged.

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00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,400
Another mentor Arachne Crane taunts her tribute who kills her.

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00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Coriolanus promotes Lucy Gray to capital citizens to Highbottom's displeasure as he paired Coriolanus

533
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,000
with a district 12 tribute to fail.

534
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,720
Or is that fall?

535
00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:04,440
No, that's fail.

536
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,440
Excuse me.

537
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:15,840
Coriolanus proposes a sponsorship scheme to head game maker Dr. Volumnia Gao.

538
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,760
To increase ratings capital viewers can momentarily support tributes.

539
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:26,240
Coriolanus academic partner claims credit for their proposal.

540
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,040
Gao places the proposal paper into a tank of genetically modified snakes that attack

541
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,080
only unfamiliar scents.

542
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,880
When Clemencia is forced to retrieve it the snakes bite and kill her confirming Coriolanus's

543
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,120
sole authorship.

544
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:46,040
While touring the arena rebel bombs explode killing several tributes and mentors.

545
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,920
After Lucy Gray saves Coriolanus from debris he gives her rat poison as a weapon and says

546
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she can hide in a bombed hole in the arena floor.

547
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In the initial blood bath Lucy Gray enters the hole with fellow district 12 tribute.

548
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,160
Sejanus sneaks into the arena and mourns his fallen tribute and friend Marcus.

549
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:15,960
Gao persuades Coriolanus to retrieve Sejanus a tribute attacks them but Coriolanus kills

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00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,400
him.

551
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,640
The president's son Felix Ravenstil dies from injury sustained in the bombing.

552
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,880
As revenge Gao releases the snakes into the arena killing every remaining tribute but

553
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Lucy Gray.

554
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Earlier Coriolanus secretly put a handkerchief bearing her scent into the tank.

555
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Caving to public pressure Gao declares Lucy Gray the victor.

556
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:43,080
Later high bottom confronts Coriolanus with the handkerchief and the rat poison.

557
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,400
Conferring him to 20 years peacekeeper service.

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Coriolanus bribes an officer to transfer him to district 12 and Sejanus volunteers to join

559
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:51,840
him.

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In district 12 Coriolanus and Sejanus visit a bar where Lucy Gray performs with the Covey

561
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,800
a formerly normatic band.

562
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Coriolanus and Lucy reunite.

563
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Shortly after Coriolanus is to transfer for officer training in district 2.

564
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Meanwhile Sejanus becomes involved with the rebels.

565
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:20,280
Coriolanus confronts Sejanus and records his admission using a jabber J sending it to Gao.

566
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Coriolanus later finds Sejanus meeting with rebels Spruce, Lucy, Lucy Gray's ex-boyfriend

567
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,840
Billy Taup and Mayfair.

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00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,320
Billy's new girlfriend.

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In the ensuing confrontation Coriolanus fatally shoots Mayfair and Spruce kills Billy.

570
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:39,640
Spruce hides the guns but he and Sejanus are hanged for treason.

571
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Lucy Gray and Coriolanus flee north.

572
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Lucy Gray knows he killed two people but he accidentally reveals a third.

573
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Sejanus raising her suspicions.

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At a small cabin Coriolanus finds the hidden weapons tying him to Mayfair's murder.

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Lucy Gray distrusting Coriolanus knowing she could incriminate him disappears into the

576
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woods.

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Coriolanus pursuing her is bitten and disoriented by a snake she laid as a trap.

578
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She blindly shoots his rifle after jabber J's mimic her voice but her fate is left unknown.

579
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Coriolanus dumps the guns into the lake near the cabin.

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With no remaining witnesses he returns to District 12.

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Rather than District 2 Coriolanus is sent to the capital where Gao reveals she procured

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00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:28,560
him a pardon and a scholarship to the capital university.

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Sejanus' parents unaware of Coriolanus caused their son's death make him their heir.

584
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,360
Highbottom tells Coriolanus he never intended the games to become a reality.

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He drunkenly conceived the idea but his friend Crassus Snow submitted it as their joint academic

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project.

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Highbottom adhored the violence it caused and never forgave Crassus turning to morphine

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and mistreating Coriolanus because he hated his father blaming him for ensuring the games

589
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
continued cruelty.

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Coriolanus slips poison into Highbottom's morphine vial killing him and beginning his

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rise to power.

592
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Oh man.

593
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,360
Dude there was a lot going on in this movie.

594
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There yes there was.

595
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I will say it's very interesting watching because in like the Katniss era and the original

596
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:37,000
Hunger Games movies it's like the how far are they into it?

597
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:43,840
So in Catching Fire it was the 75th?

598
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:51,760
Okay so it is crazy to go from that all the way back to the 10th annual Hunger Games and

599
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,680
just seeing like how different they were back then.

600
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Like the fact that what the tributes wore on Reaping Day that's the exact same thing

601
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,760
that they wear when they enter the arena for the Hunger Games.

602
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,720
Like they don't all get matching outfits.

603
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:07,720
None of that.

604
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:11,800
Literally what you wore that's what you're that's what you die in or that's what you

605
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fight in.

606
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:18,440
Yeah well it seems like the turnover was a lot quicker in the early days of the games

607
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because it's like they bring them they throw them in the cage to be the spectacle and then

608
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like they are shown off on TV as like basically zoo animals and then they're thrown in the

609
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,840
games within the week.

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Which I don't know the timeline that the original like the by the time they get to Katniss I

611
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:49,960
don't know what the timeline is when they do that that also felt like it was quick so

612
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:55,320
maybe they it's just like they improved upon that and made it seem like it was longer.

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00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:03,880
Like I like I feel with this prequel I cared more about like the actual like what was going

614
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:11,360
on with Panem, Snow, like the actual like getting the Hunger Games to where they were when Katniss

615
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:17,520
entered the picture more than the actual games like when we're put into the arena and like

616
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,600
you see the tributes fighting and everything like like you know still that's still interesting

617
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:31,320
to watch but like I will admit I wasn't as captivated as I was in the Hunger Games and

618
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,640
on in both the first one and Catching Fire.

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I don't know just it seemed that I mean considering that you know the in the Katniss era it's

620
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,840
the seventh year in the 70s when it comes to Hunger Games count so you can definitely

621
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,200
tell that they've got they've gotten the handle on how to be a spectacle how to get people

622
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,880
to watch and I really like that in this one they're trying to figure that out like Viola

623
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Davis's character listens to Snow and he's just like you know you want people to root

624
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:15,040
for them you want them to be a spectacle let's have the people of the capital be able to

625
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:21,320
give people in the arena presents or gifts and I like that they were still trying to

626
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,880
tweak that with like how bad the droids were and like literally nothing would actually

627
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,520
like like literally the droids would kill tributes for freaking how hard supplies were

628
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,080
coming at them like geez.

629
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:40,080
The first time a freaking drone came in and they're just like came and freaking bushwhacked

630
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:45,800
someone I was like good hell yeah like they need to freaking iron that out a bit yeah

631
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,640
it's a good thing that they decided to go with parachutes that was like a tiny little

632
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:57,240
fan to direct yeah that's a really good call yeah those drones didn't work for shit like

633
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:03,000
no because I think it just goes to show like what I liked about that is you got to see

634
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:10,520
the building blocks of what the the games turned into yes because I mean at least the

635
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:17,520
way that they described it it was it wasn't even like a spectacle it like there was no

636
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:27,600
it was I think it was televised but it wasn't like there wasn't a host yeah like even Flickerman

637
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,640
like usually they only like last today so he had to literally call his hotel back oh

638
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,800
this is actually going longer than we expected so I'll still be there tonight but just a

639
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,200
lot later so it's definitely clear that the the Hunger Games used to not even last a whole

640
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:50,440
day yeah so I bet it was just a week where they were like on display and then they were

641
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:56,720
immediately thrown into the cage and then they like went and killed each other and so

642
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,560
people stopped obviously people stopped watching because they're just like this is just

643
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:09,800
cruel and then snow comes in and like I loved how he's just like his justification for everything

644
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:15,920
like his reasonings I was like I always wondered like why do they put on this show for people

645
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:25,960
for for tributes that are just going to end up dying and now it makes sense like why that's

646
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:33,760
the case yeah like it's like oh it's so you get infested so you like like they made it

647
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:42,320
more and more personal and I love like seeing those like I said those building blocks to

648
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:48,960
what the games are and so all these little like questions I had in the back of my mind

649
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:55,360
about like why they do certain things within the games like make this movie made those

650
00:45:55,360 --> 00:46:04,320
make sense no okay now I got you yeah like now I understand like how it turned into what

651
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:15,240
it is yeah and yeah I I I love like seeing that I love being able to like explore that

652
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:23,120
that side of stories that I'm already familiar with and I think this did it better a little

653
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:29,840
bit more than like the Fantastic Beasts movie did I agree because it's just like okay so

654
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:36,080
you're telling us a story about something that we that was like basically a throwaway

655
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:43,120
it might as well have been a throwaway line in the first Harry Potter movie versus giving

656
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,880
us something like I would have almost preferred to see a story of the three brothers in live

657
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:54,320
action like that would have been sick that that would have been awesome yeah or just

658
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:59,600
something along those lines just something else to care about yeah and I think this did

659
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:06,520
a really good job at that it it really did and I think what what I really appreciate

660
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,680
is that they brought back the same director from that day catching fire and both mocking

661
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Jays Francis Lawrence because nothing against the first Hunger Games like I still really

662
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:25,920
enjoy that but like the whole shaky cam that like it's it's sometimes hard to watch is

663
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:34,480
very hard to watch I actually recently rewatched the first one and it was rough yeah so when

664
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:40,320
I brought Francis Lawrence in for catching fire you definitely tell you can tell like

665
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:46,640
from the get-go that he understands this world he he loves being able to build it I feel

666
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:53,600
from the ground up especially in this one so I I am very grateful that they brought

667
00:47:53,600 --> 00:48:04,520
him back for the prequel yeah I I've frequently thought about this like what type of storytelling

668
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:12,720
I prefer like if I were to get my hands on on a project like would I want to be like

669
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:20,560
creating the world or do like or an expansion and I think I would much rather work on expansions

670
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:27,240
like how this was like I love the idea of like going back in time with certain things

671
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:33,800
especially in a situation like this going back in time is so interesting and it's just

672
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:43,120
like okay how do we how do we get from this point to this point and I I think I much prefer

673
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:50,240
to tell those types of stories because I don't think I'm too creative and in creating something

674
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:56,760
from scratch that makes any logical sense but I think I'm good at building on stuff

675
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:06,360
yeah no I would honestly say I feel the same way yeah but I I loved all the like this is

676
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:13,560
a movie you I don't know if you could watch and appreciate as deeply if you hadn't seen

677
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:19,640
the the original three hunger games agreed or four yeah four yeah I mean it could have

678
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,400
been three they didn't really need a split mocking Jay and the two parts but whatever

679
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,880
yeah not really not when you really get down into it yeah I've said this from the very

680
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:34,840
beginning the only because I mean it was it's it's what they did for all young adult novels

681
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:39,000
when it came to the last book they had to split it into two parts and I feel even though

682
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,480
like the first part is a little slow the only one that warranted it was Harry Potter and

683
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,920
the Deathly Hallows very much so that is that is the only one I will need it the hunger

684
00:49:49,920 --> 00:50:01,000
games didn't need it I will say I Harry Potter I think you could have cut out a lot of fluff

685
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:08,880
from the second one I want to say or now the I want to say part two part two you I think

686
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,520
you could have cut out a little bit of fluff that's fair I honestly I think that the Deathly

687
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,960
Hallows would have worked better as like a four hour movie maybe like four four and a

688
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:30,520
half because I and I think that the same thing with like with mocking Jay I think that could

689
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:38,640
have been very easily turned into just a three hour movie oh yeah hands down but this one

690
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,740
that the the structure that they I when I saw that they were going to split this up

691
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:50,360
into quote unquote parts I was like I don't know if I dig that but I appreciate that they

692
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:57,240
did it made it a little easier to like follow along like okay this is what this story is

693
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:03,240
leading into this is what this one and it felt like almost three like little micro movies

694
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:11,400
yeah and I actually really liked that so I mean the the pacing was good I thought they

695
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,280
like once the Hunger Games were done I was like okay like why should we care and then

696
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:24,600
they almost immediately get you on board with like why you should yeah so I'm like all right

697
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:33,760
cool like I'm here for it like I'm ready for this part and it's funny Brielle was was kind

698
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,800
of watching with me a little bit she was like off in the kitchen doing something so she'd

699
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:45,780
kind of come in sporadically so I don't really think she had a sense of time that was going

700
00:51:45,780 --> 00:51:53,120
on so when she when the Hunger Games ended she's just like so is he like president now

701
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:58,080
like he's it seems like he's getting banished like how the hell is he going to the president

702
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,960
and I'd like look over at her and I'm like well maybe the next hour of this movie will

703
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:14,960
tell me love of my life and she's like oh the movie wasn't done yet oh and I think that

704
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,320
is maybe a fault I will put on the movie is that they do kind of make it the end of the

705
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:26,640
games feel like the conclusion yeah I can definitely give you that but they get you

706
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:34,760
back on board pretty quick so I will give them some grace for that yeah overall what

707
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:43,480
do you think of the story though um overall like solid story makes sense for a prequel

708
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:55,280
to the to the Hunger Games and I had a good time with the story so if my uh if my screen

709
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:12,240
wants to work that'd be nice like dead serious there it is uh so story I'd say I'm probably

710
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:24,800
like at an 86 that is actually exactly where I was too oh yeah look at that all right next

711
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:34,800
up we got writing writing was pretty good here too I will say it's pretty on par the

712
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:42,240
only I don't know maybe maybe it's how she's been in real and this this has nothing to

713
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:51,240
do with the acting it's the writing of like she's fine and I don't know I did not really

714
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:56,200
love the character of Lucy Gray like she was just all right dude that absolutely had to

715
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:05,520
do with how she's been now yeah okay like snow like like the writing for snow was great

716
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:12,400
like like love that character and even especially so Janus like that's his name right oh is

717
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:18,960
that the friend yeah yeah loved his writing he was great and freaking dude my mouth dropped

718
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:31,320
when he got hung hanged dude I was not expecting that I in in cinema hangings are already like

719
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:40,240
really intense ways to to off someone right mm-hmm throw in the freaking last word mocking

720
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:50,520
J shit that is something else yeah like dude when I saw that I was I had a hard time watching

721
00:54:50,520 --> 00:55:01,240
that I was like oh that is does not fill me with the warm fuzzies yeah the only hanging

722
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:10,600
that I sound effed up to say that I enjoyed watching and you don't even actually see him

723
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:19,280
hang was Como Driscoll and Red Dead 2 like that that that actually like put a smile on

724
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:26,660
my face watching him finally hang because like the like when he like when he sees his

725
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:33,880
two people on the ground being held a gunpoint by Sadie and Dutch and then freaking he looks

726
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,760
up above and Arthur is just waving at him like hey how's it going buddy just and like

727
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,700
the fear in his face like I don't know that that that shit just puts a smile on my face

728
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:52,620
but that's the only hanging that like I'm genuinely like didn't feel like any empathy

729
00:55:52,620 --> 00:56:00,300
for the person in this one like I said my mouth just dropped when those floorboards

730
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:06,000
caved in that would yeah and the fact that they like they don't cut away from it they

731
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:11,700
don't like cut to their feet no they straight up show that shit yeah I don't like if this

732
00:56:11,700 --> 00:56:17,040
movie balls for that I think what helped with like the intensity of those scenes is that

733
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:25,960
it wasn't like it wasn't an up close like you see them drop and die like it's a background

734
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:34,440
thing yeah I think like they make it so nonchalant and I'm like whoa damn yeah I think that's

735
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:41,440
what helps sell the intensity and then the freaking or it wasn't Mockingbird the Jabber

736
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:51,280
Jays like that that did not help at all no it did not like them echoing him echoing so

737
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:57,840
Janus like shouting for his mom shouting for Cory Alanis like that oh god that yeah that

738
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:05,960
was hard to listen to yeah and I love that this kind of like had the origins of the hanging

739
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:14,200
tree song yeah that was really cool that was yeah that yeah that was awesome yeah when

740
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,640
she was singing it like the first time I was like that kind of doesn't sound like an original

741
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:27,120
song and then I like they tied it into like that dudes hanging and I was like oh snap

742
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,960
and then she just kept like adding to it so I'm like okay this is freaking that was solid

743
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:42,920
writing yeah most definitely I think dialogue wise I would probably put this below story

744
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:49,200
not like a ton like I think I'd be down near 80 but I think with a lot of the things that

745
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:59,640
they did to tie it into the the Katniss saga I'd say I think that that bumps it up a bit

746
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,360
for me but I think ultimately I'm still a little bit below so I think I'm gonna be at

747
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:16,560
an 84 when it comes to writing you know the thing I'm gonna match you would be the same

748
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:28,640
all right next up we got acting so going through this list we got Tom Blythe who played Cory

749
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:39,400
Olanis Snow you should have just called him Cornelius yeah seriously like for real yeah

750
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:46,920
so Tom or is that Blythe or I think it'd be Blith Tom Blith Cory Olanis Snow you got me

751
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:58,800
man yeah then you got Rachel Zegler who plays Lucy Gray Baird then you have Josh Andres

752
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:11,600
Rivera who plays Sejanis Plinth was he in Shazam? No I think so him and Rachel Zegler

753
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:17,600
I think are dating or they're close friends and so that's why I was going to say like

754
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,700
I don't remember him yeah I thought the same thing but yeah when I when I got that picture

755
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:29,200
it led into oh hey this is what's good the relationship between her and him like okay

756
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:37,720
all right that makes sense okay cool then Viola Davis played Dr. Volumnia Gall then

757
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:44,520
we have Peter Dinklage who played Dean Casca Highbottom and I think that's all I had oh

758
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:57,480
sorry yep and you forgot delete Amy Schumer my bad oops anyway what's your top three look

759
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:09,720
like? Tough damn that's really hard it is very tough like because all of them except

760
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:15,440
for a certain person might just be because of you know things that have happened with

761
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:27,240
her that I just didn't love her performance number three just because I like okay honorable

762
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:34,720
mention I'm gonna give to Peter Dinklage because I wish that he was in it more I do too I think

763
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:44,040
his role could have been way more interesting yeah I absolutely agree and yeah just like

764
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,000
the fact that he's the one with Snow's dad that came up with the idea for the Hunger

765
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,760
Games like why would you not want to go into more depth of that yeah I would have loved

766
01:00:53,760 --> 01:01:05,720
to see that touched upon more yeah but number three I would give to Josh Andre Rivera played

767
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:14,520
Sejanus I really enjoyed his character loved his relationship with Snow and honestly it

768
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:25,360
was really sad when Snow betrayed him and literally recorded him being with the Rebels

769
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:31,320
and he was hung for it and just yeah it's really sad because like he really wanted to

770
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:38,080
make a difference and it's really sad that you know what happened to him but his performance

771
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:48,360
was great number two I'll give to Viola Davis she was amazing but she's amazing in everything

772
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:53,880
and especially in this role that she gets to like act like kind of a little crazy yeah

773
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:00,880
as being game maker you could tell that she had so much fun with this role and it truly

774
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:07,200
shows she was she was great every single time that she was on screen and would have loved

775
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:14,000
more from her but what we get from her it makes sense and absolutely loved her in it

776
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:20,320
but number one I got to give to Tom Blythe Tom Blith whatever who played a Coriolanus

777
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:26,360
Snow I feel he adds a lot of depth to the character of Snow comparing to how he ends

778
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:35,920
up in Katniss's era to where he where we see him begin here just seeing him trying to make

779
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:44,360
sure that his family's name still stays in good grace with the capital and just just

780
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:52,760
his arc throughout this movie is just so interesting and he does such a great job so yes I would

781
01:02:52,760 --> 01:03:03,600
give Tom Tom number one so that's my top three dude I I already thought that Snow was a really

782
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,720
interesting character so the fact that he was able to take someone that I already really

783
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:19,480
liked and make him even deeper of a character it is an undertaking so it was fantastic so

784
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:26,920
yeah I really liked him but I am actually going to give him number two okay my number

785
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:41,320
one I'm given to Viola Davis I thought she dominated her role as as this doctor and just

786
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:47,840
the level of unhinged that she was able to pull off was just fantastic and I loved every

787
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:54,800
second that she was on screen like she was like almost she was hard to look at and I

788
01:03:54,800 --> 01:04:01,280
was like but and I think that just added to like the intensity of her character because

789
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:13,040
I'm just like don't make eye contact with the crazy lady yeah so I freaking loved her

790
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:20,880
yeah number one or number two I'm gonna give to Tom Blith number three on the other hand

791
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:29,600
I think I'm gonna give to Rachel Zegler as much as I hate to admit it this was tough

792
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:37,560
she was she was walking a very fine line of being unlikable and charming when she was

793
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:45,080
when she was kind of acting like she had like ulterior motives so like telling Snow to own

794
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:52,160
it in the in the thing and basically like giving him the ideas to make them spectacles

795
01:04:52,160 --> 01:05:03,280
and like it's like basically like save my ass she came off as very unlikable and then

796
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,200
when during the times that she was supposed to like charm the the Capitol like I think

797
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,720
she pulled that off really well and then the times where she was being hunted down and

798
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,080
was like afraid I thought she pulled that off really well too there's a lot that she

799
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:27,240
pulled off well and a few things that she pulled off that weren't quite as good it was

800
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:32,320
it's a strange line to walk because I was trying to set my bias aside because I don't

801
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:42,520
like her yeah but I think she gave a pretty solid performance like it's definitely not

802
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:54,200
the best I've seen her in it was a little bit more like wishy-washy but I think she

803
01:05:54,200 --> 01:06:03,720
did good overall but I would agree I would give the the my honor roll mention that Josh

804
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:12,480
Rivera he came off of just a bit too whiny for me that's fair and then yeah Peter Dinklage

805
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,720
too like I would he's one that he didn't make my top three because I would have liked to

806
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:24,320
see more of his character and I think that they kind of wasted the potential with him

807
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:41,880
yeah they really did so yeah anyway where are you sitting with acting I think acting

808
01:06:41,880 --> 01:07:04,120
I think I'll just be slightly above my story had an 88 yeah I'm not quite 88 levels I think

809
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:11,360
I might go one point higher than my stories and then 87 fair enough all right next up

810
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:19,200
we got character development which we're kind of doing this off of a villain so this is

811
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:26,480
kind of one of those negative arc situations and I think this is where the movie friggin

812
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:41,400
excelled agreed yeah the I mean seeing where snow was going it was it was odd to find his

813
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:47,480
motivations like was he motivated by love was he it was it seemed like he was motivated

814
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:59,360
by like reputation and money and it wasn't until he got called to grab so Janice out

815
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:06,360
of the arena that it felt like he was after more like I feel like you could almost like

816
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:16,280
feel that shift in his character after that that situation so I found that to be really

817
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:24,040
intriguing about him yeah I can agree with them and obviously he's on kind of like a

818
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:31,920
downfall and everyone's kind of like I wouldn't say like afraid of him but he just has this

819
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:41,720
level of intimidation and what I really liked and I don't like I'm is um you remember how

820
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:49,720
Tigress and him were talking about his father mm-hmm and how she was saying that like his

821
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:56,720
father just had something in the like you could see it in his eyes that his his soul

822
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:04,520
was just filled with hate and just that little comment at the end of the the movie when he's

823
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:11,640
like how do I look and he's like you look just like your father and I'm like like I

824
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:19,040
I thought that was such like a baller line yeah no that was great it's so crazy to think

825
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:24,680
like just looking at who Tiger says in this movie to what she becomes and the Katniss

826
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:33,520
Air it's it's just it's crazy to think about yeah it's uncomfy for sure yeah very much

827
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:40,720
though I don't know like did they ever establish that she was his cousin or um I can't remember

828
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:48,880
if they did yeah okay um I don't know if they did actually um it kind of because like honestly

829
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:53,800
I don't even remember snow being mentioned or like when they like mentioned Tigers I

830
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:59,880
don't even remember snow being mentioned I know I like I thought Tigress was just a designer

831
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:04,760
in the capital yeah just someone that helps kind of like went super crazy with the body

832
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:11,640
modifications yeah um but I mean I guess apparently Suzanne Collins had a lot more to say about

833
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:19,840
her character yeah that like hers would be another interesting story to follow like yeah

834
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:29,840
how do you get to that point yeah um character development wise this is one that I think

835
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:39,240
I am in the 80s or 90s wit for fair like I said even though this is a negative arc I

836
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:44,360
do think that they pulled it off really well and you get to see some of those key moments

837
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:57,680
that shift his character quite drastically yeah so somewhere between 92 and 93 so I think

838
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:04,960
I'm going to give it a 92 I'm just going to be slightly below you it definitely does crack

839
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:16,280
90 for sure easily yeah all right next up we got effects uh I feel that these were these

840
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:21,400
are super solid I mean I think um I didn't really care so much about like don't get me

841
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:27,760
wrong the hunger the the actual games those looked great um but I think I enjoyed more

842
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:36,320
so watch looking at how panam panam looked back then like the capital uh compared to

843
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:43,920
how it looked in a Katniss's era because like here like um like um it doesn't look depressing

844
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,000
or anything but just like it it's it's so interesting to to look at the differences

845
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:56,960
um it almost had like that 40s 50s style era yeah it did um I I mean this doesn't have

846
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:03,040
anything to do with the effects but I really like how much they uh they focus on um the

847
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,880
the capital uh in this one because I feel like in the in the Katniss era you're you're

848
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:12,080
really focused on the district that's what the districts that's what they want you to

849
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:17,920
whereas uh this one um they want you to get more even more of a feel of how it is in the

850
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:23,200
capital um and I honestly really appreciated that though that was a really cool uh thing

851
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:32,240
to um showcase oh yeah absolutely like this kind of like the world that they set up you

852
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:39,880
know what it reminds me of is the the batman animated series like how Gotham seemed oh

853
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:46,080
yeah like where if like it honestly felt like there could have been like blimps in the sky

854
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:52,000
and that would have felt very natural to the the world yeah no that's a good point and

855
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:56,280
it's just like it just like I said everything just kind of had that that vibe it was like

856
01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:05,240
almost a war-torn animated or batman animated series Gotham yeah like it was it was a crazy

857
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:13,120
aesthetic and I I loved it um and like I said you get to see some of the stepping stones

858
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:19,580
to how the hunger games were versus how they where they go and it's like seeing that it's

859
01:13:19,580 --> 01:13:29,560
just a the stadium is just like a dinky ass little stage it's yeah um like it and it also

860
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:33,960
looks like they didn't get like jack shit worth of weapons laid out for them no they

861
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:42,800
got like freaking a net and a truck like barely a trident yeah a couple swords and stuff so

862
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:49,520
I mean it was the freaking bare bones yeah like the the the actual arenas definitely

863
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:59,460
didn't get their flare until um much later oh yeah um I mean but visually I wasn't super

864
01:13:59,460 --> 01:14:07,000
impressed with the special effects like the drones looked very out of place at times that

865
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:11,800
that's fair like especially when you had like multiples coming in oh yeah like with the

866
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:22,200
whole like water scene yeah and but yeah so I that that's one I think might be a little

867
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:35,600
bit not quite super low um this was pg-13 right yes okay it felt like it with the the

868
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:41,880
level of gore that they were going for but the violence like the the implied violence

869
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:50,720
was freaking wild yeah like when uh when that one chick freaking went to hatchet that dude's

870
01:14:50,720 --> 01:15:02,880
head I was like oh god jeez dude I I kind of I was laughing a little bit at that scene

871
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,080
because me and briel were just kind of sitting there and he's like looking up at her and

872
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:14,000
she's he's like please and then she goes and does that and I'm like what if he meant to

873
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:21,160
like let me go yes do you have the same thing it's like it can be taken two ways either

874
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:31,960
put me out of my misery or get me down from here yeah it's just wait wait oh man but yeah

875
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:42,640
I think the implied violence kind of helped with the like the the I think it helped with

876
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:51,120
the scenes a little bit no yeah no I definitely agree yeah so I think effects I'm gonna give

877
01:15:51,120 --> 01:16:04,160
that maybe in 87 what do you think I think I might actually go one higher than you just

878
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:17,360
cuz I really I really liked how pen m looked and just I feel that like even though the

879
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:22,920
effects do have their problems I I appreciate for how far we've come with the hunger games

880
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:28,040
effects from the first one to this one and how like they don't have to do the shaky cam

881
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:33,640
anymore to hide that it's PG-13 and they can't show that much blood or they'll be it'll be

882
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:43,400
turned into rated R I do appreciate the the what's the word the skill that I think that

883
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:49,160
we've kind of mastered with still making it violent but making sure that they're not approaching

884
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:57,680
our territory with it I would love to see how close they got because I feel like they

885
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:04,960
this dude it like could give a master class in violence in terms of like the ratings yeah

886
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:10,240
because I mean I feel like that like violence in particular and gore that's a very fine

887
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:17,880
line to walk this is true like if it almost feels like one thing could have flipped from

888
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:34,080
them from PG-13 R yeah all right next up we got music this one was what do you think what

889
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:40,200
do you like all of the so all the songs that Lucy Gray sings like they're all right nothing

890
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:46,560
really like stood out to me but I have to admit as many problems as I have with like

891
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,840
not not paying attention to Rachel's egg or at Rachel's egg or as a person I'm looking

892
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,800
at just just as her character in this movie and the voice that she has the voice that

893
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:03,400
she has to sing are you coming to the tree or just the hanging tree is so powerful and

894
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:13,520
I love it so much that when it comes to how it's portrayed in a movie I do think Jennifer

895
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,520
Lawrence's version is better because it makes more sense of how it's portrayed in mocking

896
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:24,640
J and I feel it's just portrayed better but her vocals in this one for this specific song

897
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:31,320
I think I actually like better than Jennifer Lawrence's version oh I do for sure right and

898
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:37,360
she I don't know she just does a such a great job with this song and the way that the song

899
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:43,000
gets its like start we get the origin story of the hanging tree song it's really good

900
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:47,840
it's very well told it's very captivating and so while I didn't love all the other songs

901
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:56,760
that Lucy Gray sang like I could honestly really could care less what we get for everything

902
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:05,920
when it comes to the hanging tree song I feel that that brings me up yeah it's hard to argue

903
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:15,240
with that like her her all of her other songs like all the songs that she sang kind of felt

904
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:20,280
like they had the same tune it was different lyrics but it all felt like the same tune

905
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:25,680
very few of them felt like they were different like there was multiple times where I thought

906
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:30,480
like is she singing the same song and she wasn't like it was a little bit different

907
01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:37,720
like I went back and checked you know but they they held a tune like a very similar

908
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:42,320
and even though those were good those did not hold a freaking candle to the hanging

909
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:51,680
tree song yeah and other than that I wasn't super impressed with like the the scores and

910
01:19:51,680 --> 01:20:02,400
whatnot I mean you have the the classics like the the Pan Am anthem yeah call it and those

911
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:10,560
were all right but I think that they could have done a little bit better at least shifting

912
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:22,960
the tune where it didn't feel so uniform so I music wise I think I would be willing to

913
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:36,960
give this an eight see that's funny because I'm at a seven I can't go that high fair enough

914
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:47,120
all right next up we got costumes this was where the movie is a little weak I agree kind

915
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:52,440
of what I brought up earlier with you know like how much the Hunger Games have changed

916
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:59,600
from here this being the 10th annual Hunger Games to Cadness's 74th the fact that you

917
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:05,040
know in those they all wear the same outfits like all tributes get the same costume I feel

918
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,360
it really adds to it definitely makes the Hunger Games a little more exciting whereas

919
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:12,560
in this one literally all that they wear is exactly what they want on reaping day in their

920
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:21,360
districts and so like I don't know like seeing a kit tributes just like in like formal wear

921
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:28,160
and that's what they're literally going to die in is is not as captivating as what they

922
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:33,300
wore in the first Hunger Games or especially catching fire like God like the outfits and

923
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:40,120
catching fire were literally fire I know and for all of the frickin districts too like

924
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:46,040
they were all frickin killer outfits yeah but they dropped the ball here really frickin

925
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:51,920
hard they did and you know the way that they explain where they are at that where they

926
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,920
are at where they are when it comes to the Hunger Games like where they stand what it

927
01:21:56,920 --> 01:22:02,800
means you know all that stuff I understand why that they don't like try to like impress

928
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:07,320
people with the tributes so it makes sense why they literally wear the exact same shit

929
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:15,120
that they wore on reaping day so I'm not faulting it for that it's just my fault comes with

930
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:23,560
the capital like I understand why maybe snow didn't wear like things that were very eccentric

931
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:29,920
but everyone in the capital seemed to wear very bland clothing and for where it's supposed

932
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:36,400
to be like the rich hoity-toity people the trendsetters and everything like the capital

933
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:44,720
where it is in Katniss's day versus where it is here it feels very detached and I feel

934
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:51,600
like they should have dressed a little bit more eccentric to fit the tone better yeah

935
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:58,320
like honestly it felt like the only thing that like made them feel like upper sophisticated

936
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,840
was they wore they buttoned up the complete top without like having like a tie or some

937
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:12,140
shit like that yeah I know that that that's what made them a step above of the districts

938
01:23:12,140 --> 01:23:20,920
so yeah and it kind of looked dumb I'm not gonna lie it did and I actually really I prefer

939
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:32,200
the like just talking to costumes I prefer these peacemaker uniforms versus the Hunger

940
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:40,720
Games ones I absolutely agree those look way too freaking like Robo cop do exactly what

941
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:49,120
I was thinking they're one black paint job away from being Robo cop yeah honestly they

942
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:55,600
look like og Robo cop yeah yeah like the helmet and everything I'm like that doesn't work

943
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:02,000
and I so I like like the bluish gray over like undertones of like the outfit it was

944
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:10,000
it was simplistic but better yeah and I liked that you could still see their face yep I

945
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:16,120
much prefer that makes them feel like they're not so freaking generic yeah that I mean they're

946
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:28,520
not supposed to be human but it made the peace peacekeepers human yeah so I mean this is

947
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:41,880
a difficult one for me where are you sitting I mean honestly I'd probably say I'm probably

948
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:49,360
at a seven honestly same as my music I would be at a six but I feel that the peacekeepers

949
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:59,680
costume to bring it up to a seven yeah I'll probably match you there all right last up

950
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:06,800
we got our own personal score who's taking this one who you want to hear first I don't

951
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:18,680
care well you decide all right I'll go first okay yeah so I was I was genuinely surprised

952
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:24,800
by how much I enjoyed this movie I think it did a lot of things right I think it had enough

953
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:35,520
of like Easter eggs and moments that tied into the original can't even say trilogy it's

954
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:43,400
three it's a quad trilogy I know it should have been a freaking trilogy so I think it

955
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:50,960
connected enough to the original movies and gave enough of like little hints and there

956
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:56,080
and you can see the building blocks of how it eventually got to that point and I thought

957
01:25:56,080 --> 01:26:03,600
it was really interesting the only parts that I feel I struggled with and it's just a minor

958
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:09,240
pacing issue is in between the points where the Hunger Games ended and where the next

959
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:15,720
portion of the story again like it I'd say it's maybe five to ten minutes where you're

960
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:21,160
just like okay what's going on and then it gets into the next part of the story and you're

961
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:30,760
like okay cool and it had good pacing after that but I enjoyed it so much so that I would

962
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:38,760
actually enjoy seeing a sequel to this like if they decide to do that somewhere down the

963
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:52,720
line so I think personal score I'll probably give this an 82

964
01:26:52,720 --> 01:27:00,800
honestly I don't know what else to add to Caleb's review you literally summed it up

965
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:06,440
perfectly it's definitely one of the better prequels I've seen I mean honestly most prequels

966
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:11,720
aren't good the only one coming to mind that actually I thoroughly enjoyed no matter what

967
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,960
people say is Monsters University I don't care what anyone says I enjoy the hell out

968
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:28,360
of Monsters University but I feel that this definitely adds enough backstory to the Hunger

969
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:36,440
Games to panem to warrant its existence and kind of what Caleb said you know with a sequel

970
01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:42,120
Suzanne Collins I guess you know get writing that because I don't know if what's his name

971
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:48,400
Francis Lawrence I think I think that's his name yeah I don't know if he wants to just

972
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:56,440
completely go off of his own ideas and not get with you to decide if they what they would

973
01:27:56,440 --> 01:28:06,480
want to do with the sequel he's just like I'm sick of fixing your universe I think that's

974
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:11,120
that's why I enjoy the movies more is I hate that the Hunger Games are told in first person

975
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:19,080
I don't know what it is I hate that they're told in first person yeah like go she Suzanne

976
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,160
Collins should have gone the Harry Potter out tell that shit in third person that's

977
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:28,840
how every book I feel should be written I I hate I really hate first person books unless

978
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:34,300
they're unless they're like an autobiography or like based on real events then I'm okay

979
01:28:34,300 --> 01:28:41,040
with it like that makes sense I get that but like young adult novels no like third person

980
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:49,080
come on third person is the superior way to tell a good story I feel agreed absolutely

981
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:56,680
agreed so but yeah I mean if they do if they did do sequels to this I just hope that it

982
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:06,840
wouldn't turn into what happened with Fantastic Beasts and the three movies weren't warranted

983
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:13,280
but anyway I had a good time with this it's a it's a great addition to the Hunger Games

984
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:24,520
franchise and it sits very nice with the first Catching Fire and Mockingjay so honestly I

985
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:29,200
think I'm gonna actually match Caleb at an 82 yeah honestly I don't know what else to

986
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:35,400
add to Caleb's review you literally summed it up perfectly it's definitely one of the

987
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:41,360
better prequels I've seen I mean honestly most prequels aren't good the only one coming

988
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:46,240
to mind that actually I thoroughly enjoyed no matter what people say is Monsters University

989
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:51,640
I don't care what anyone says I enjoy the hell out of Monsters University but I feel

990
01:29:51,640 --> 01:30:02,800
I feel that um this this is definitely adds enough backstory to the Hunger Games to Panem

991
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:09,400
to warrant its existence and kind of what Caleb said you know with a sequel Suzanne

992
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:14,680
Collins I guess you know get writing that because uh I don't know if uh what's his name

993
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:20,960
Francis Lawrence I think I think that's his name um yeah I don't know if he wants to just

994
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:28,720
completely uh go off of his own ideas and not uh get with you to decide if they what

995
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:37,440
they would want to do with the sequel um he's just like I'm sick of fixing your universe

996
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:42,640
I think that's that's why I enjoy the movies more is I hate that the Hunger Games are told

997
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:48,880
in first person I don't know what it is I hate that they're told in first person yeah

998
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,360
like go go she Suzanne Collins should have gone the Harry Potter route tell that shit

999
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:59,240
in third person that's how every book I feel should be written I I hate I really hate first

1000
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:05,000
person books unless they're unless they're like an autobiography or like based on real

1001
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:12,160
events then I'm okay with it like that makes sense I get that um but like young adult novels

1002
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:19,600
no like third person come on third person is the superior way to tell a good story I

1003
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:28,320
feel agreed absolutely agreed um so but yeah I mean if they do if they did do sequels to

1004
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:34,040
this I just hope that it wouldn't turn into what happened with um Fantastic Beasts and

1005
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:42,720
the three movies weren't warranted um but but anyway um I I had a good time with this

1006
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:48,560
uh it's a it's a great addition to the Hunger Games franchise and it sits uh very nice with

1007
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:58,440
uh the first Catching Fire and Mockingjay um so honestly I think I'm gonna actually match

1008
01:31:58,440 --> 01:32:07,880
Caleb at an 82 um just had a really good time with this one alright going through these

1009
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:18,520
scores real quick starting off with story uh we ended up averaging out to in 86 uh writing

1010
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:27,960
writing is sitting at an 84 acting is sitting at an 87.5 character development is the high

1011
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:35,840
point of this movie sitting at a 91 the effects are back down where acting's at sitting at

1012
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:44,080
an 87.5 the music is sitting at a 7 out of 10 the costumes are also sitting at a 7 out

1013
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:52,080
of 10 and our personal score ended up averaging out to an 82 so with that the final Albrose

1014
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:59,720
letter grade for the Hunger Games the ballad of songbirds and snakes has come out to a

1015
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:12,720
a b it's not bad not bad at all uh actually a little higher than I thought it was going

1016
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:28,120
to be to be honest with you yeah that's that's crazy uh so let's see where this ended up

1017
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:39,920
ranking okay so the Hunger Games the ballad of songbirds and snakes is sitting at an 84.75

1018
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:54,440
so that puts it at a at a b like I said so this is a pretty in the middle b like let's

1019
01:33:54,440 --> 01:34:06,600
see where it's sitting so it is sitting at number 19 out of 45 that's not bad yeah so

1020
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:14,720
that's 45 other b movies gotcha all right so do you want to go above or below first

1021
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:25,340
I think I want to hear the above hear the above all right so at an 84.75 that puts it

1022
01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:32,500
above the matrix resurrections all right yeah I'm totally cool though it is above Christopher

1023
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:43,760
Robin I think I'm okay with that it's above Spider-Man 3 yeah I think I'm okay with that

1024
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:51,240
it is above Avengers Age of Ultron okay that's gonna be a heart pill for me to swallow and

1025
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:58,360
it is above blue beetle yeah that's yeah I can agree with that all right going the opposite

1026
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:11,120
direction it is sitting below Megan all right it is also below the remake of the little

1027
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:23,720
mermaid okay it is sitting below the Lion King also the remake as well as chicken run

1028
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:37,000
oh damn and eight crazy nights okay wow that was quite a list yeah it's a very interesting

1029
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:45,840
placement and I'm not totally in disagreement yeah I think I would agree like I said Age

1030
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:51,280
of Ultron hard to swallow but it's okay a little bit yeah but it's interesting that

1031
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:57,040
we agree that it's above Spider-Man 3 but not Age of Ultron but we do agree that Spider-Man

1032
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:05,720
3 is better than Age of Ultron yeah that is very interesting freaking love when that happens

1033
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:16,920
yeah so that is where it's sitting all right awesome hey well unless you got anything else

1034
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:26,400
you want to say about the I forget for a second I forgot what movie we just did the hunger

1035
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:32,960
games about a songbirds and snakes that's what we did well if you guys like this episode

1036
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:37,120
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1037
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01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:50,400
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1039
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:58,120
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1040
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:05,320
literally this so it's at the all bros on Facebook Twitter Instagram and tick-tock which tick-tock

1041
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:11,280
is going away that that's the that's what they're saying again yeah apparently Congress like

1042
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:16,720
actually like voted to ban it and they got something else going on like they keep saying

1043
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:22,400
that about tick-tock that's bullshit yeah but I don't know it seems like it's it will

1044
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:27,880
go forward this time I could be wrong we'll see yeah if you can't watch our last time

1045
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:33,480
so if you can't watch our mini-rex on tick-tock anymore you can catch them on Instagram yeah

1046
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:42,520
when I actually post them I may just I was gonna message you you know as funny as I was

1047
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:47,560
gonna message you during our break and be like is he are you okay cuz like you haven't

1048
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:55,120
posted any since chicken run ton of the nugget like you good man I know I just got freaking

1049
01:37:55,120 --> 01:38:09,840
swamped no dude no I yeah I may we'll see we'll see how well I adjust to the new everything

1050
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:16,680
but this may be a job that I bought off on you okay all right that sounds good to me

1051
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:29,160
the

1052
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:46,480
but

1053
01:38:46,480 --> 01:38:48,920
And we will catch you guys next week.

1054
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:49,920
Deuces!

1055
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:50,920
You asshole.

1056
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:51,920
I...

1057
01:38:51,920 --> 01:39:17,840
See ya!