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Alright, this week in Weekly Watch we have a few, like we watched a few things between
the two of us this week so let's get on into that.
So first up Rose.
So for me just in preparation of the new Ghostbusters movie coming out next month I've started
watching as much Ghostbusters stuff as I can, shocker.
But so started with Afterlife the other day.
Still holds up, truly truly still holds up.
It's a great third entry and the way that they tie it into the first two is amazing.
Not really the second one, you can definitely tell that the second one is still a thing,
it still existed but you know you never see the two patch, nothing like that.
But still you definitely can tell that they're not excluding the second one which I appreciate
because everyone else does, which always made me mad but whatever.
But yeah, no just, like I've seen this movie a couple times now and seeing this for another,
what's the word, because I haven't seen this movie in probably over a year and so watching
it this close to the new one coming out, honestly I got a whole new love for it.
I love these characters that they introduce so much throughout the whole movie.
I was telling myself, it's an amazing world we live in that Paul Rudd is now a Ghostbuster
and especially in the new trailer just seeing him freaking suited up just makes me so happy
and he's amazing in this movie.
McKenna Grace, Finn Wolfhard, all amazing.
I will fully admit I actually like Finn Wolfhard in these movies more than I do in Stranger
Things.
I don't know, I just like his character a lot more.
I mean he's bratty in Stranger Things and he's also a bratty teen in this one too but
I don't know, I like his character better in the Ghostbusters films.
Yeah, no, great, had a great time rewatching it, I always do.
Just, yeah, it's amazing.
Homages to the original are perfect and just fan service galore, it's great.
So when we initially reviewed it we gave it a $5 Tuesday I believe and so standing by
that so $5 Tuesday for Ghostbusters Afterlife.
Yeah, I remember really liking this one.
Like I do remember there being some like slow parts and that's typically before it started
Ghostbusting but...
Fair enough.
After that it was freaking action packed the whole way through and I freaking loved it.
So yeah.
Alright, I ended up watching a couple things this week.
One of them I watched a couple days ago as of when we're recording this.
Oops, wrong one.
I was watching The Circle, so that's the one I watched a couple days ago.
I was expecting a lot more, especially with the freaking cast dude.
Like the cast is freaking killer.
I mean they have freaking, yeah, they have freaking Emma Watson in this, they have Tom
Hanks, they had Patton Oswalt, Karen Gillan was in it.
Like, they had like a freaking stacked cast and they wasted every single one of them.
Yeah, that freaking sucks.
It's like movie 43 all over again.
It was lame.
So do you know the premise of this movie?
No, I mean no, because I watched the trailer when it first came out and haven't watched
anything from it since.
Okay, so The Circle is a tech conglomerate.
It's basically like Google, right, but they keep developing these new technologies that
are supposed to aid everyday citizens in different varieties of ways.
So the big thing is that they develop these like super tiny cameras that give you like
HD quality picture and they have like different colors and stuff so you can just slap them
anywhere and they're super cheap too.
So you can just go and slap these cameras everywhere and Tom Hanks is like, isn't it
great?
We have like seven in this room right now.
You couldn't even tell.
And yeah, so Emma Watson's character, she likes to kayak so she goes out late one night
after stealing.
It's somewhere that she goes locally.
The people or the owners of the kayaking place weren't there so she just takes the kayak
and bounces, goes out in the middle of the night, ends up getting caught up in a storm
and almost drowns, but there's one of those tiny little cameras on the buoy that she's
swimming past and the Coast Guard comes, saves her and all that good stuff.
And then Tom Hanks uses that to convince her to basically what they call go transparent,
which means that anything that they text, anything that they watch, like basically anything
that they do, she has a camera on her and that's going transparent.
And so she's wearing a camera.
It ends up ruining her life because duh.
Yeah, fair.
Yeah.
It's freaking so dumb because all of, it was cringy to watch because she's acting like
a freaking YouTuber.
Like a freaking vlogger, but it's like all day every day and she only gets like a few
minute break for like to go to the bathroom or whatever.
It's ridiculous.
Like it is freaking nuts.
Yeah, sounds really dumb.
And then, so at the end, because they have these cameras everywhere and they have a bunch
of people that they, like using this service, then they're getting into more of their personal
lives and being like, oh, well, if you sign up for the Circle, you'll be automatically
registered to vote and like take care of these different like government tasks.
Like why wait at the DMV?
You can just do it from the Circle app and all this other bullshit.
And then they're just like, also, we can help, we can track down criminals super duper fast.
So let's test it out.
And so they track down someone on the FBI's most wanted list and they do that in a matter
of minutes.
And the people that are chasing her, it's just some rando that's like, oh my gosh, I
found her.
And then they go and chase her down.
She gets arrested and they're like, yeah, we can do this with anyone.
And then they're like, okay, let's do it with one of your like one of her friends, like
one of her old friends that wanted to stay like out of the tech space and everything
because he was like super paranoid about them spying on him, which rightfully so.
So he ends up getting freaking chased down by these crazy people.
And they end up like chasing him off of a bridge.
And he like goes and like crashes to his death and it's all like live streamed everywhere.
And then it's freaking it's it's the wildest shit, dude.
And it was so poorly.
Do you remember when this movie first came out?
I was considering doing a blind buy for it.
I'm very much glad I did not.
It was it was dumb.
It made me so mad.
Where is the streaming right now?
I'm curious.
This is on Netflix right now.
OK.
Wow.
OK.
Yeah.
Well, don't need to watch it now.
Yeah, I'm giving this and nothing better to do because this was absolutely I had nothing
better to do.
Would you.
So what stopped you from giving it a don't bother?
Was it the cast?
The key.
I think it was just the concept.
The concept was OK.
OK.
But it's just like the way that they executed it, like really just aggravated the shit out
of me.
Yeah.
Understandable.
Yeah.
It's just it turned into like a big thing.
So before she like joined this this company, right?
She's like she wasn't like she was kind of like how I am, like not really quite posting
a lot.
I mean, she does post every once in a while, but doesn't really post doesn't really really
keep her profile up to date or anything.
And so when she gets to this company, people start giving her a hard time about it.
And being like, well, you really should be posting this or this or that or blah, blah,
blah.
Like, what did you even do this weekend?
And she's like, well, I went kayaking.
And the guy was like, like I kayak, we could have gone kayaking together.
Like if you would have just let me like it doesn't even like pop up as one of your interests
on your profile.
I'm like, dude, I will punch you in the throat.
Holy shit.
And it's just like, well, we're we're promoting openness and everything.
And I'm like, dude, I will frickin rip your head off.
Just stop.
Oh, man.
But yeah, it was like it was bullshit like that and that I was just like, no, I can't
frickin do this.
Oh, shit.
And it's so dumb.
Like they so John Boy, Boyega is in this.
He's like the inventor or the creator of the circle or whatever.
And so he's just kind of like someone that just kind of like roams around without like
he doesn't even do anything.
And he just kind of like standing by a pool and then Emma Watson like goes and talks to
him for a minute.
And then he just kind of like mysteriously disappears.
And then he shows up again one day and he's like, follow me.
And they takes her down into this like storage area.
And then he's like, what do you think about this?
And she's like, I think it's sketchy.
And she's like, uh huh.
And then disappears again.
And then it's like near the end or when she starts getting caught up in all this, he like
goes to her and he's just like, I thought you were better than this poof disappears
again.
And then it's like at the end of the movie, like after she's given up being transparent,
she's like, uh, like I want to turn on these creators.
And he's like, yes, let's make it happen.
And then again, and then you don't see it.
It is so ridiculous.
It's not even funny.
Wow, it's so dumb.
It is such a dumb movie.
And like I said, just all it did was make me mad.
Understandable.
Yeah.
The next movie that I watched, which I just watched today, like I watched the one we're
doing today, the Orion and the dark.
I watched that today.
And then right after that, I watched the next movie I'm going to talk about burnt.
And this one wasn't half bad.
Okay.
It kind of had, you remember that Jon Favreau movie chef?
Yes, I remember it.
I never saw it, but I do know which movie you're talking about.
Yeah.
It's kind of on the same lines as that.
Okay.
A little bit more on the extreme side.
So it's kind of like if chef were made about like Gordon Ramsay.
Oh, okay.
So it's very like particular.
His eye for detail and everything.
It's like in pursuit of his mission to become a three star Michelin star chef.
Okay.
And yeah, so it was good.
It was pretty good.
I've been seeing it going around on TikTok a lot and was just like, I've been just seeing
these clips and I'm just like, well, shit, like, yes, I'm watching this when I saw it
because it's like it's on its way, like it's leaving Netflix soon.
Oh, that sucks.
Yeah.
So I like, I mean, you still got.
This is like the end of February.
Yeah, I'll be like the end.
Like I think this one get like goes out on the 23rd or something like that.
I'll try to catch it.
Yeah, but not a bad movie.
Like definitely not a bad movie.
And it, it nails the intensity that I feel kitchens have at least kitchens like this.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, let's take this one out.
Not the previous one, but I'll check this one out.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure if I said I or I'm giving this one a stream it and I'm giving the circle
nothing better to do.
I believe that is all we had in weekly watch this week.
So with that, let's say we move on to this week's headliner.
Let's do it.
All right.
Getting into this week's headliner.
We did not ask a question of the week this week because we, we, so we were planning on
doing that Kevin Hart movie lift until this morning.
Wasn't it?
Yeah, I was straight up this morning.
Yeah.
I was like, dude, I don't like, like, no, this was cable's work.
I don't know if you've seen the movie yet, but if you weren't feeling it, how do you
feel about that new dream works movie?
And yeah, we're both just like, yeah, we have a lot more interest in that.
I watched the trailers for lift and it didn't sell me on it.
I didn't see anything, but I mean, I only recommended it just cause Kevin Hart.
Um, but I mean, I mean with dream works, like even if it's bad dream works, it's still dream
works.
Although I don't know how I'm feeling about dream works with the whole like mega mine
sequel shit that they're doing right now.
Oh my gosh, dude.
Like it looks wretched.
So someone pointed this, I think I sent you the video.
I don't know if I did, um, but someone pointed out that when it comes to like the TV animation
for their, uh, for their, um, properties, it's the reason why it looks so different
is, um, it's, uh, animated in a completely different, um, animation studio than their
regular one.
It's animated overseas that way because they know it's a TV, but they know it's a TV series.
Um, you know, it's not going to get, make as much money as, you know, a theatrical,
uh, film since it's just being put on streaming, they want to make it for cheaper.
And then that way, since they're making it overseas, they can pay employees less over
there.
And so that's why shocker.
I know.
Right.
And so that's why the animation is such a downgrade from the first one.
Um, but just, yeah, the fact that it's that, um, will Farrell Tina Fey, neither of them
are coming back.
Jonah Hill doesn't look like his character is even going to be in it.
Um, and we haven't even heard, uh, minion talk, but I doubt David cross came back to
voice him.
Um, so yeah, just, I have no interest whatsoever checking out the series or the, or I'm sorry,
the movie first and then the series.
Just, yeah, the dude, I can't believe they fricking touched mega mind after all this
time.
Not well, I just said, I hate that there's like, Oh, you know, mega minds getting such
a huge, it's, you know, like actually getting the love it deserves, which it's about damn
time.
It's a great, it's a great dream works movie.
Um, but the fact there is like, you know what, instead of doing a theatrical sequel, like
it deserves, let's do a TV movie, not bring back any of the original cast and then only
make the movie just so we can make the series right after.
It's fricking ridiculous, the shit that they pull.
I mean, at least with dream works for this year, we get Kung Fu Panda four.
Um, so I can't hate on them that much.
Yeah.
Well, that's a movie too.
I know.
Like we know the movie's going to be somewhat decent.
I hope so.
Um, but just, yeah, the fact that like Kung Fu Panda is up to number four, all of them
got theatrical releases and mega mind only gets a TV movie and a TV series when it comes
to sequels.
That's some bullshit.
There's some major bullshit, but man, yeah, that, that sucks.
But I, I understand it to a point, but I would prefer more movies like Orion in the dark.
I agree.
Um, cause like I, I get why, you know, dream works wants to, you know, do a bunch of sequels
for their popular properties.
But when dream works does original stuff, they actually do pretty damn well.
They do produce some good shit.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't necessarily need like full on original.
Like I, it's tough.
I would prefer something new, like, uh, like with a slightly higher quality animation than
the shows.
Cause the shows are hard to watch, dude.
Oh yeah.
Dude, fricking like, um, I never watched it, but the, uh, the Netflix boss baby show that
they did, like that animation compared to the two films, like cheese Louise night and
day.
Dude, Iris really liked watching that at one point.
And as I got to the point where I was like, I can't sit and watch this with you.
This looks horrid.
That that's fair.
I mean, I'm sure that, I mean, I never watched the show, but like, is that kind of how it
went from going from the animation, uh, for Paw Patrol in the series to the, how the animation
is in the movies?
My hopes were high for the movies, but when I saw the animation, I was like, wow, that
looked great.
And then it jumped to the show and I was like, ah, okay.
So yeah, cause it was the shows first.
It was the shows first, then the movie.
This is what dream works is doing where it's movie, then show.
Yeah.
So yeah.
So the jump between the Paw Patrol, it was, it was, I couldn't even say night and day.
It was even more different than that.
It was insane.
Like the quality and I was like, that's fantastic.
Cause I mean, I don't know what, um, how everyone thought about Paw Patrol too, but like the
animation alone, like that was some of the best I saw from last year.
Like that, that movie was beautiful.
Yeah.
It was fricking great.
And but yeah, the show, like jumping back into the show, it is hard to watch.
That sucks.
It always sucks when that happens.
Yeah.
But I mean, like, you know, I don't like looking at, I'm not giving dream works a pass because,
um, you should always pay your workers what they deserve.
Um, and I don't know.
Like I get why they want to make it cheaper for TV, but like, come on.
Like is it that hard to pay your workers?
Is it that hard to pay animators what they truly deserve?
Yeah, apparently it is.
Yeah.
Whatever.
Yeah.
But anyway, getting into this week's breakdown.
If you are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final All Bros letter grade.
And eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, uh,
effects, but with this being an animated film, this is going to be talking about the animation.
Uh, the music.
Typically we talk about costumes, but again, this being animated, we're going to talk about
the character design and then we will be giving it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those numbers get magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us
an All Bros letter, letter grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.
Um, as well as a ranking that is more fun than anything, despite what naysayers may
say.
DJ.
Excuse me.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So if you have not seen Orion and the dark, it is currently on Netflix and it's worth
a watch.
So go check it out.
And it's only an hour and a half.
Yeah.
Very quick.
Even like before the credits start rolling, it barely hits an hour 20.
So it's a, it's a very short watch.
Yeah.
So with that, we will be posting our spoiler warning now as we get ready for our favorite
segment that we like to call reading with Rose.
All right.
Orion is an elementary school boy with a seemingly never ending list of anxieties and irrational
fears such as bullies, the ocean, cell phone radiation, murderous gutter clowns falling
off tall buildings and the fear of being addicted by his school crush Sally and upcoming planetarium
field trip.
Um, wait, yeah, sorry that failed as a sentence wise.
Um, but of all his fears, the thing he's the most afraid of is what he confronts on a nightly
basis, the dark one night Orion becomes startled by a sudden blackout.
And when he frantically curses the dark, the embodiment of his worst fear appears before
him having grown irritated of hearing Orion complain about him and offers to help the
reluctant boy conquer his fears by showing him the benefits of darkness during their
travels dark introduces Orion to his other associates sleep insomnia, quiet unexplained
noises and sweet dreams.
Yeah.
The unexplained noises, God, like the fact that they threw that character in that just
like freaking made this movie because it's so true.
The other skull dark for bringing Orion knowing too well if his neuro neuroticism dark is
able to convince them to let him tag along to witness their work to which they reluctantly
agree as they travel dark shows around with each of the night entities do quite remove
surrounding sounds bringing nothing but silence sleep induces people to sleep insomnia induces
anxiety and those who are sleeping waking them up in the night unexplained noises makes
various noises outside homes and sweet dreams create streams.
However, things start to go wrong when Orion due to his own anxiety interferes with the
other entities jobs.
Eventually Orion warms up to dark and they start to become friends and the young boy
helps the night entities in their tests during a break in China.
Orion learns that dark has a nemesis named light who brings daylight in the mornings
while dark brings nighttime in the evenings.
I don't know maybe it's just me but if you're a kid shouldn't that be obvious that oh if
there's if there's the darker has to be the light.
Yeah that was kind of a no shit for me too.
Oh man.
Continuing their journey Orion inadvertently remarks that light seems much more preferable
to dark.
Yeah no shit as light makes him feel safe and warm feeling dejected.
The night entities abandon their nighttime duties in favor of working during the day
angry and angry and saddened that the others have abandoned him.
Dark stops mid flight and he and Orion perch on a mountaintop a guilty Orion pleads with
dark to move before light passes through him and disintegrates him.
Dark doesn't move and as light passes through him he vanishes abandoning Orion now alone
Orion sits on the mountaintop which he realizes is actually the back of a flying turtle consumed
with guilt over what he has done.
With the story ended it was revealed that an adult Orion is telling the story to his
daughter Hypatia to him.
With the story ended it was revealed that an adult Orion is telling the story to his
daughter Hypatia to help with her own fears.
As they walk through the nighttime city to the planetarium Hypatia is shocked by his
ending and suggests a different narrative.
As she takes over the story Orion now laying on the beach is met by Hypatia who promises
to help him put things right.
Reciting a poem she has written based on the story so far the night entities are drawn
to the beach having witnessed the chaos that endless daylight brings without nighttime
to keep the balance.
Hypatia points out that dark isn't necessarily gone as he is a literal embodiment of Orion's
worst fear.
All he needs to do is sleep and dream about dark.
So all he needs to do is sleep and dream about dark.
With sweet dreams help the two children enter Orion's subconscious and successfully summon
dark.
However, the reunion is cut short when the closet door opens revealing a black hole that
sucks dark in.
Orion finally learning to let go of his fears jumps in to save his friend.
The night entities realize that the only way to save them all is to wake Orion up but all
their attempts fail until quiet sucks all sound from the area and softly tells Orion
it is time to wake up.
Dark manifests restoring the natural order of the world and returning the children to
Orion's house before bidding them farewell.
This leaves them with a problem as Hypatia is now 20 years old and her own past with
no way to return home.
The story is resolved as a boy named Tycho arrives in a time machine to return Hypatia
to her proper place.
The story ends again and is revealed as an adult Hypatia telling the story to her son
Tycho.
Finishing the story Hypatia goes outside to say good night to her father and mother.
The now much older Orion and Sally as the scene cuts back to the start of the film with
the young Orion and Sally gazing at the stars on the planetarium field trip.
All right.
All right starting off with story.
Dude I gotta say I did not care for the structure.
That's fair.
I don't know about you and I mean maybe it's just because the dark and it reminded me a
lot of oh my god I forget his name but this just reminded me a lot of Rise of the Guardians
a little bit.
Yeah right.
What was the villain's name in that movie?
It wasn't just nightmare was it?
It wasn't fear either right?
Oh gosh let's let's see.
Yeah bug me.
Which is funny because that's also a Trane works movie.
Yeah pitch black pitch.
Yeah.
Oh yeah yeah they would just call him pitch.
Yeah I do remember that now.
Yeah I know.
So yeah I got some vibes from that movie with this but yeah I definitely agree with you.
The structure was kind of kind of all over the place here.
Dude was the freaking transition between Orion's story and then how it like instantly freaking
snapped into adult Orion's telling the story that felt freaking like super sudden to me.
Yeah it did.
And reading that the synopsis I kind of kind of got a little bit confused because yeah
freaking yeah they really jump around a lot with the story and like there are some entities
you know what is it insomnia sleep was it sleeping?
Was it nighttime noises?
Sorry I'm horrible with names.
Like those kind of characters I get why they that you wanted them in there.
I don't know I wish that they do a decent job explaining why they're there you know
it makes sense but I wish that they could have done just a little better job because
I don't know personally I would have been fine if it was just the dark and the light.
I don't know if you necessarily needed all the side characters explaining why people
are so afraid of the dark or like what causes them to not not I guess like not sleep.
Just I don't know like they did a decent job but if I'm like trying to and I'm not trying
to dump down the story here but if I think that you could have done without them in my
opinion hell you could have actually even made a interesting more story about the rivalry
between the dark and the light.
I feel you absolutely could have.
Especially with like the same personalities too.
Yeah.
I think you could have done a lot with that but they they dropped the ball.
Yeah they really did.
It's kind of interesting how much critics have loved this movie because it's in the
80s I believe.
But they need to freaking stop kissing up to the studios.
But the audience score is in the 60s I believe.
I would buy that.
That's I will say that does seem a little bit low but I agree.
Yeah.
But yeah I just want yeah so critics score.
Excuse me is an eight damn an eighty nine.
Holy shit.
And audience scores at a sixty five.
I am leaning more towards audience on this one.
Yeah.
This is the kind of movie that I'm just like I'm right in between.
Just like what is the metric for these freaking critics.
Dude that's what sucks about Rotten Tomatoes.
Like it's all over the place.
Even if you give it like a like say your cut off for like a good review is like two and
a half out of five stars.
That's considered a good review.
Or no.
OK.
No.
Let's say three if you give it a three or higher.
Even though you point out like hey you know like it's it's not great but I still thought
it was decent.
The story was OK.
The pacing was was it was all right.
But there were there were things that I enjoyed about it.
So I would give it a three out of five which you know in my eyes would like go for like
a C C plus.
But Rotten Tomatoes.
Oh no.
That's all we all we can give it is just you know like a positive tomato.
So add that to the list of positive positive reviews.
So I feel that with I mean I don't I can't speak personally for other viewers but with
this one I feel a lot of them were just like hey you know what it's not it's not dream
works best but it's not dream works worse.
It's decent.
It's all right.
It's not bad but it's not great.
And but you know Rotten Tomatoes.
Oh you still gave it a fresh score.
So we have to put it in as fresh and that's why it's so damn high.
Dude that I so I was listening to another podcast and they just became Rotten Tomatoes
critics.
Oh hell yeah.
And I was super excited for them and it was something that I was trying to get like sign
us up to do too.
Yeah.
As soon as I heard like once they like their application got accepted and everything and
they're like yeah so apparently like they don't do it based off of like a star rating
like you either give it a positive or a negative review like you either say you recommend it
or you don't recommend it and that's how it like calculates the percentage and like that
is horseshit.
Yeah.
And so I was like yeah no I stopped the application process and I'm like good call because because
yeah what about movies that you're in the middle with like you didn't love it but you
didn't hate it.
Yeah.
That's yeah that's bullshit.
This is why the Albrose method is the method because it it takes into consideration like
what's great about a movie what's not great about a movie and gives you like the like
what I feel is like a fairly accurate score.
Oh I agree.
Mr. DJ.
Sorry.
I love you DJ.
Oh yeah.
But yeah the story structure was just not good.
It felt like they were shifting because it seemed like we were getting like just a basic
narration because I mean at the beginning it started off with hey I'm Orion and I have
all these fears and anxieties and blah blah blah blah blah and then it shifts into like
that's a weird thing to add into the story and like the shit.
Like I will admit like the first 10 minutes I I absolutely loved it's when the dark decides
to take him on this adventure lost me a little bit but like everything with you know like
him being afraid of his crush everything with his parents I thought that was really good
stuff you know I'm almost 30 but the way that they set up Orion he I feel he's a very relatable
kid but when you bring in all of this other stuff all these entities of night and day
just I don't know someone lost me a little bit.
Yeah they they lost me a lot of it.
It was fair enough it was all right but eh it left a lot to be desired.
Like you said you can understand why it went to streaming and it did not go to theaters.
Yeah the story was just not on on par with Dreamworks' other property.
It's hard to because like Dreamworks especially recently have come out with like some of the
greatest animated films I've seen in forever Puss in Boots The Last Wish so it's hard seeing
movies like this that are just kind of like they're just all right they're like mediocre
Dreamworks movies and then just looking at Puss in Boots 2 which is like an absolute
masterpiece like many I feel somewhat consider Dreamworks Magnum Opus at this point.
I would say that.
Just yeah it it sucks because it was I feel is the same way with Pixar up until Cars 2
because we were all just like oh they can't do anything wrong.
Pixar is perfect and then Cars 2.
Well I don't know up until that point like everyone there was not one Pixar movie at
least from what I've saw that like people like absolutely hated.
Like before Cars 2.
Yeah before Cars 2.
Yeah pre-Cars 2 Pixar was the king.
Yeah they could do no wrong.
But yeah then Cars 2 came out then just you know a lot a lot of other movies after that.
Some better than others there there were time there are there are movies in this in the
catalog after Toy Story 3 that are actually up to Pixar standards but there are a lot
that are not.
Freaking sucks but yeah this story dude it was it didn't do it for me.
Yeah I mean I know that it's a different story but in the for how much it reminded me of
it I feel they did this kind of this kind of.
What is it not not this kind of story but just the way that I feel with the story I
feel they did it better Rise of the Guardians.
Yeah.
Honestly I think I'm sitting on like a solid 70 with the story.
I'm not very high.
Why is my greeting system being stupid.
Okay sorry my greeting system is being dumb for some reason.
There we go.
Yeah dude I think I'm going to agree with you.
I can't drop it to the 60s just because it is it is not that bad.
Yeah I mean it had redeeming qualities and it was like a good quality film.
It was just as average as average can get.
Yes I agree.
So yeah 70 is the highest I would be willing to give it.
Writing on the other hand I can absolutely drop it down to the 60s.
Yeah yeah writing wasn't that great either.
It was so plain.
Yeah and it was it was I don't know about you it felt odd.
Like what was what pissed me off too is that what's her face Hypatia.
She was pointing out issues with with her dad's story.
And I'm like yeah fix it sir and he wasn't like none of those issues got got resolved
or fixed.
Like she pointed out like the big thing is when she realized that he was still afraid
of the dark in real life and she's like oh well Orion in the story should still be afraid
of the dark and then they incorporate that and then at the end he seems like he's not
afraid of the dark anymore.
Yeah.
So it's just like you just counter like you you you mess with your your own like lines
that you're making there.
Like he was you said oh we should make him so he's still scared at the end and guess
what you didn't do.
Yeah I don't know maybe it's just me with being an adult but they put way too much detail
on the dark on dark as as a whole.
I don't know what what happened to just being the dark.
Like do you really need to explain why the dark is the way that it is.
Like I get like I don't know.
I get that they needed to to turn this into a full length movie.
But if you were to tell me that this is like a prequel to Rise of the Guardians I would
absolutely believe you.
That's fair.
As like this is this is what happened before pitch became pitch black.
Yeah that's yeah dude that's fair.
Yeah just like yeah the writing for the dark was just way too detailed that didn't need
to be this detailed.
And for how much like I get that you know the whole story is supposed to be focused
on the dark.
But in it with that like the light barely didn't get anything to do.
So I don't know I feel like the plot should have been split evenly between them because
you can't have dark without the light and you can't have light without the dark.
But whatever.
Like I pointed out with the plot just the the the other characters that they add to
this with insomnia the like weird noises just unfortunately didn't work as much as I'm sure
that they'd hope to in my opinion.
Dude I was very disappointed with what we got here.
I the way that I would have personally restructured this movie would have been where.
Dark comes and interacts with Orion for a certain amount of days where he's where he's
constantly home and then each night is hit is Orion overcoming a fear.
And so it's like hey you like you got a fear of clogging the toilet and then it's just
like I don't know.
Like you go.
He goes and deals with that.
Like he's like goes it like I don't know something dumb.
That is that I like that.
That's just such a bad example here.
I know like that.
It's probably one of those.
That's a funny as hell fear fear of clogging the toilet.
I don't know maybe like the maybe you should have chosen different fears like ones that
are a little bit more generic like the the clowns.
I think it would have been interesting for him to be like afraid of clowns and then like
there's a clown that's at school that like scares the hell out of him.
And then that night Dart takes him to like the clowns house and he realized that the
clown is just a normal person and and all that and just kind of like humanizes.
I don't know just something something along those lines where it's it's you're dealing
with that fear.
Yeah.
And then eventually you get to the point of dealing with his fear of the dark.
Yeah I like that.
Like that's how I would have how I would have like restructured instead of this flag.
I'm going to feed like cure your fear of the dark in one night.
I'm like no no.
Yeah like you could still had the the nighttime entities and everything and have him show
like oh this is what the dark or what dark brings to the world.
It brings these other entities that supply a service to the world and whatnot and all
that good stuff.
Yeah I think that that could have been done a lot better and very disappointed that they
didn't.
Yeah.
But I do got to say there is one thing from this movie that I took away and I actually
kind of liked and thought was funny.
It was sleep and I thought that shit was so funny dude.
Sleep was great.
Yeah the way that she just like friggin smothers that dude with a magic pillow and then like
gives a little kiss on the head and then falls off.
I'm like dude what?
And then the freaking chloroform just I'm like dude this is friggin hilarious.
And then like when the hammer came I was like oh shit.
Oh shit.
Yeah that was some good stuff.
Yeah that was probably the best writing of the movie.
Yeah I can agree with that.
Everything else was just kind of dog shit.
That's being harsh.
But I mean even like the the lead up the whole lead up to this was so Hypatia would share
her poem and even her poem was it was very long-winded.
This whole movie dude for a kid for a kids movie it needs to be easy to swallow and this
was not.
Yeah and like it was so everything was so long-winded and just using super big words
and and stuff that the kids don't get.
Yeah.
Like this is more of a movie that's it was it's advertised as one for young kids.
It is written for young teens.
Yeah that's true yeah like literally you have to be in middle school to like really get
the the idea for most of the ideas that are portrayed here.
Yeah it's no bueno.
Yeah.
Are you sitting with writing?
I'm gonna agree with you definitely in the 60s but like babe maybe just barely below
so I'll go like a 68.
I'm actually just a hair below you sitting at a 67.
Fair enough.
All right next up we got acting.
So going through this cast list we have Jacob Tremblay who voiced Orion.
We have Paul Walter Hauser who voiced Dark.
Colin Hanks voiced adult Orion.
Is that Natasha?
I think so.
Yeah Natasha Demetrio who voiced sleep.
Angela Bassett who voiced sweet dreams.
Mia Akemi Brown who voiced Hypatia.
Oh and that's it.
Yeah so what's your what's your top three look like?
Um all right first I just want to point something out.
Nothing against Jacob Tremblay like great actor but the fact that he's supposed to be
a kid portrayed in elementary school Jacob Tremblay's voice now is way too high or not
way too low for it.
It's like too high.
Yeah it's way too low now like if he was in middle school going through puberty completely
could understand why his voice was chosen but his voice is way too deep to be in uh
in elementary in my opinion.
Dude this is the tough thing that you deal with with kid actors.
They do not have a very long window of being able to pull off young.
Because like this is like the first um I feel at least for me um actual like um acting I've
seen of Jacob Tremblay when it's his like actual voice now because even in the Little
Mermaid he still had his little kid voice he hadn't hit puberty yet and so like his
voice is fine like don't get me wrong he's still a really good actor.
It's just it kind of took me out a little bit like it's like no a kid that young a voice
that deep should not be coming out.
Yeah especially with everyone else's voice voices being really high in that like eight
are the other kids that we we heard.
Yeah it definitely pulled pulled me out of it too.
Um but so when it comes to my ranking uh number three um I'll give to Natasha Dementrio uh
sleep yeah freaking hilarious loved her performance she was fantastic.
Um uh number two even though I just shat on him um I would get actually wait no number
two because I actually really like well okay sorry.
Number two Jake I'll give to Jacob Tremblay even though I just shat on him um like even
though the voice threw me off he still gave a really good performance um he made Orion
very relatable um didn't god yeah especially with that list of fears that he had like I
I get it man but like damn like geez kid um yeah maybe you're you're too anxious yeah
a little bit um so yeah number two I'd give to Jacob Tremblay uh but number one I gotta
give to Paul Walter Hauser played the dark fantastic um he did a really good job even
though I didn't love everything about the dark um I feel that they went way too much
um into explanation of who he is as a character um the voice performance was fantastic um
but I mean it's Paul Walter Hauser he's great in anything he does.
Dude did you get the vibe that maybe this role was written for Seth Rogen?
A little bit yeah dude when I first heard it I actually thought this was Danny McBride
a little bit.
Oh you're not wrong.
He sounded a little bit like him.
Yeah I assumed it was freaking Seth Rogen until I saw a clip or whatever and it showed
that he was the voice I'm like he all he has a very distinct voice in most of the roles
that he plays.
That's true I mean he I think he definitely deepened his voice for this one I'm not used
to his voice being this deep.
Oh yeah for sure absolutely deepened it um but he also kind of talks with like a I wouldn't
even it's not like a lisp it's just I don't even know how to like there's just a certain
way that he talks where he it's like he's not quite opening his mouth all the way.
Yeah yeah I can see where you're coming from.
So it's just like there's a lot of like I don't even know how to describe what he's
doing that's oh that's pissing me off.
Yeah never mind I don't know what the hell I was trying to say there but it it's just
there's a very distinct way that he talks in other shows and stuff that didn't match
this and it felt like he was mimicking Seth Rogen a little bit.
No that's fair.
Sorry I actually am gonna change my number three if that's cool with you.
Yeah sure.
I would actually change it to Colin Hanks I'm sorry there especially the ending with
how he finally like you actually see that he ended up with oh my god I forgot her name.
Sally.
I feel throughout like even though like you know you you get more young Orion I feel that
Colin Hanks does a really good job as the adult Orion and actually does decently with
bringing emotion to the adult version.
That ending was so undeserved.
Yeah I will agree with you there.
I was so pissed like I was like all right cool he's wrapping up this story like like
okay like weird like he's bringing in some rando time traveler now that's funky and then
it's it's adult Hypatia.
I'm like son of a bitch.
You didn't earn this.
You're not wrong.
You are not wrong.
Yeah so that would be my top three.
What are yours?
Okay my number one I mean I'm gonna agree with you.
I'm giving it to Paul Walter Hauser and I'm also gonna give my number two to Jacob Tremblay
exactly like you.
Let's go.
My number three on the other hand I'm actually going to be giving to Angela Bassett who voiced
Sweet Dreams.
That's a great choice.
Yeah she just has a freaking power with her voice.
She does.
Yeah she is amazing.
She truly is.
She really needs to do more voice work.
Yeah better writing though.
She needs better writing.
Very true.
She could have like I don't know I think they could have done so much better with this giving
us more of a Guardians vibe.
Like I actually would have preferred a freaking Guardians sequel where maybe like the dark
is the person who took over Pitch Black.
That's right.
Yeah I mean I think that they had planned to do a bunch of or at least like another
like two sequels with Rise of the Guardians but for how much it costs it I think it's
still arguably their most expensive animated film that they ever made and the little I
mean it did decently at the box office but not as much as they wanted to that they canceled
sequel plans.
Lame I know right because yeah that movie is so good.
I freaking love Rise of the Guardians.
I feel like that one that got like freaking canned too quickly because that was a really
good movie.
The other one I'm remembering being really good was the freaking Guardians of G'Hool.
Yeah dude freaking yeah two Guardians movies just freaking canned.
The only successful Guardians movie was Guardians of the Galaxy and that's it.
Apparently people just don't like Guardians.
Definitely seems like it.
At least in that time there was a lot of good movies during that period that were getting
canned I feel.
Yeah but yeah do freaking yeah speaking of Rise of the Guardians the Isles of or no
just Guardians the Isles of G'Hool whatever it was called.
Yeah I agree with you that that definitely deserved a sequel.
That is one of the most pretty animated films I've ever seen.
Yeah that shit is stunning to this day.
Like that scene where it's like the slow mo of them flying through the rain.
One of the greatest animated sequences I've ever seen in my entire life.
That's probably where all their budget went.
Yeah that shit is beautiful.
So yeah I can understand what so the budget for Rise of the Guardians was $145 million.
Box office was only $306 million.
So it barely broke even.
I feel like you could have made that work though.
Yeah I mean because I feel that.
Like I think now would be the time to do something like that.
Where it seems to have like a bit of a following now because I've seen a lot of shit about
Guardians on TikTok lately.
Yeah okay I mean I don't know.
I just hope that it wouldn't turn into the oh hey everyone's talking about Megamind.
Let's uh.
Oh yeah.
Fair point.
I don't want to go down that road.
But I feel that the author of the books wouldn't do that.
They would make sure that their characters, who is the author?
Because from what I see on Wikipedia.
So William Joyce mentioned in March 2013 that he was still in talks about a sequel with
Dreamworks animation.
He said there's something that we are proposing that we hope they will want to do.
Yeah that didn't come to fruition.
Yeah shocker.
But I hope that if Dreamworks did approach him about doing a sequel and there's like
oh yeah let's do an animated or let's do a sequel movie that will just go on Peacock
and then we'll do sequel series.
But no please do not do just this justice to those amazing characters.
Alright where are you sitting with acting?
Like the acting is good it's just that the script isn't that great.
So like acting I probably like put it like a little above story or maybe a decent amount
of story I'd probably be at like a 70 I'll go a 78.
Yeah I was leaning more towards like 76.
I mean they were good they were good performances but I think the script did them no favors
whatsoever.
True that.
And I think that just kind of like went into their performance or how it was like portrayed
because like at times it definitely felt like maybe they were phoning it in a bit.
And then others where they were giving you like some some real heart but those moments
were so few and far between.
True that.
Like even yeah Angela Bassett couldn't even save this if she tried so.
Yeah she was definitely like a shining star of that so that's why I'm gonna give it a
76.
Alright next up we got character development.
I don't even know how to rate this.
This was a story that he was making up.
That's true.
Yeah I don't know I still feel this is kind of one of the stronger categories.
At least a little bit.
Yeah I mean there's definitely some growth not much though.
Yeah.
You want to know the shittiest thing.
I thought he was like finally like team dark.
Yeah.
Like okay like finally like he'd overcome like this particular fear and then it's just
like out of nowhere.
They were going into some dark cabin and then he's like ooh now I'm nervous.
Yeah.
What?
He's been flying around with darkness the entity.
You shouldn't be scared of shit at this point.
Yeah.
I'm like you freaking conquered darkness dude.
You can do anything.
But now you don't want to fly into a scary cabin.
Little bitch.
Damn.
There was one thing that I mean I'm not a parent so I'm curious if what you think.
When he goes and wakes up his parents at the end and he's oh yeah you slept for a day.
I didn't want to disturb you guys.
I'd be so freaking pissed at my child.
I could have lost my job in this time frame.
So what's the plan now?
Is everything just back ass words?
I don't know but they glossed over that so fast.
So fast like oh hey.
What about the fact that another rando child from a different freaking city.
That's true.
That whole interaction was just so weird.
Can you take her home?
Just oh my god.
Maybe my parents could adopt you.
That is your daughter dude.
What did you think the plan.
Why did you even bother to go and wake up your parents?
And be like oh could you take her home?
Did you not think oh her home is 20 years in the future you dumb shit.
Oh man.
I mean he is an elementary kid.
I guess got to give him some excuse.
He's freaking stupid.
And what pisses me off too is neither of them were smart enough to be able to think of time
travel on their own.
Yeah that's true.
Like freaking dumb.
Freaking dumb.
Oh shit.
But yeah it's just like the thought process through that was just super dumb.
But I mean it's hard to say that he had like he had certain growth but he still was like
quite fearful at the end.
It's just like the only fear that I feel like he might have overcome was darkness.
Everything else was like totally glanced over.
So this is why I felt like maybe him dealing with individual fears would have helped him
significantly.
Yeah.
So it's it didn't do it for me.
Fair enough.
Honestly same here for the most part.
Any arc that he supposedly went on was just ruined time and time again.
It felt like he was experiencing growth and then the cabin and then he just straight up
turns against darkness and then darkness is like all right peace out.
Like here comes the light and then they go and grab him from Orion's dreams.
Like what the shit was that.
Yeah that was freaking weird.
Yeah it's just like the only way that I would have felt like they could have brought dark
darkness back is like by creating darkness.
Yeah that that would have made much more sense.
I don't know like I know it's a completely different movie but what I appreciated about
Rise of the Guardians is with like the death of Sandman the stakes were actually raised.
Like it actually felt like you know stuff like that you know truly detrimental stuff
could happen in this kind of universe and because that they were able to just get dark
back like that like freaking lost any sign of that in this movie.
Yeah so it's like okay so he's like this immortal being that's just kind of like you can bring
back because he's an idea in your mind.
Like I don't understand that.
Yeah.
I don't even like what they were attempting to do but yeah they freaking glanced like
freaking glossed over his Orion's other fears and didn't even feel like he was like facing
them.
It's just they just happen to be around because he was in his own mind or whatever.
It's just meh.
They didn't pull this off at all and any development that Orion did have either as an adult or
a kid felt very unearned.
Yeah I can definitely agree with that.
So character development I'm probably sitting around my acting or my writing score.
Like I'm probably I might go a little bit higher sitting at like a 68.
It's just meh.
Yeah I think I'm gonna match him.
68.
All right next up we got animation.
This one was a little bit of a let down.
It was yeah I mean like I appreciate Dreamworks for trying something different here.
This is definitely not like what we're used to with Dreamworks.
But yeah it was kind of just all right.
Like I liked it.
It worked for the movie but just like I like it's understandable why this went to streaming
because it is not on the levels of Dreamworks animation because Dreamworks has made some
of the most beautiful animated films that I've seen.
You know talk about again Puss in Boots the Last Wish, Rise of the Guardians.
They know how to make some beautifully animated films.
But when they it seems that when they try to deteriorate from what they're used to
their what they usually do when it comes to their animation style it like you kind of
feel let down.
When their quality drops it drops a lot.
Yeah I mean this is definitely nowhere on the level of their like TV specials.
Oh no.
But like the animation for what it is and it's good.
I did like the animation.
It works for this movie but it is it's definitely not up to the full standards of Dreamworks.
But I liked it.
I thought it was good.
I did not hate the animation.
No I didn't either.
Like it wasn't the worst thing that I've ever seen and I'm not even I'm not trying to compare
this to like Puss in Boots by any stretch of the imagination.
Like I knew going in this wasn't going to be Puss in Boots.
I went into this more thinking it was going to be along the lines of like the Peanuts
movie.
That's yeah that's a good comparison.
Different studio.
Yeah I know.
I'm sorry I had to point that out.
I know asshole.
I'm sorry.
Gosh I knew I was going to catch shit for that comment too.
But no like I thought it was going to be along those lines maybe a lower quality version
of that.
And I wasn't completely wrong with that.
There were a lot of moments that I could tell that there was just something odd about the
movement and I think what it was missing was like a motion blur because it felt like very
like he was like it was always when he was like flailing.
And like I noticed it when he was going up against that the bully like Richie or something
and anytime he was doing like a lot of movement in one scene and like I said doing like flailing
there wasn't any like motion blur on it.
So it felt like very like choppy.
Yeah no that's a good point.
Really quick because number one story can we talk about that bully because I read the
most useless person to be ever be thrown in a movie because one like I get you know he
was doing bully things but I don't know the way that he was quit like you know him like
I don't know.
Like he was a bully but some of his actions I'm just like you know what maybe it's just
me and I'm an asshole but I would have done the same shit.
Yeah.
They I have no I don't feel like anyone's able to properly write bullies.
I think what sucks is I mean I guess this doesn't suck because bullying is is bullshit
don't do it because it can wreck someone's life.
I don't if you want to if you want to see who I take Rose I know right.
Well no I'm just shut up asshole.
Bullying is bad kids.
Here we go.
Here's an example of bullying right here on the altar.
When I'm bullying you you'll know.
I mean if you really want a good example of what bullying can do to somebody go watch
the documentary bully the ship will f you up.
That's just no joke.
Yeah.
But with bullying it changes with every generation like you know with like the old generation
yeah like literally it was just you know like punching but like actually bullying you know
like like bullying can be so many different things but you know like actually beating
someone up freaking knocking shit out of their hands swirly shit like that.
That was the old boy.
Anyways it's really not physical anymore.
It's really no it's all mental.
Yeah it's mental bullying.
You get like at least back then you could once once you left school you got that break
from bullying.
Now I feel so bad for kids going through bullying because you don't escape it even when you
go home there's all the social media everything like that you're still going to get bullied
through Facebook tick tock Twitter all the shit.
You can't escape bullying and it freaking sucks.
I feel really bad for kids this generation.
I mean it was kind of the same thing with us but thank God I never got bullied and I'm
very grateful for that.
But just yeah it's so crazy how far bullying is coming.
That's what sucks about when it's when they try to portray it in film is because the bullying
that you're so used to with you know like the physical beating up that's that's that's
always the bullying that I think of.
But if you're thinking about what bullying is nowadays it's really not that like you
said it's all mental.
Yeah I think I had a pretty decent leg up when it came to that kind of bullying like
the like the mental games on social media because I didn't have a Facebook till I was
like 14.
And by the time I got one I didn't care enough to use it.
Yeah that's true.
Caleb did not.
Yeah like I'd use it every once in a while and anytime I see those memories where I like
some my like nothing makes me want to jump in front of a car faster.
Same here.
Oh my God do you freaking yeah like there was one a couple months ago that because I
don't know when you first started Facebook you never put like I or like.
Well it was because it would say it would say your name and then it was like like it
would be like Caleb Albers is or was and you could like type whatever.
Yeah that's true.
So like freaking one of the top of a couple months ago it's just like Jonathan Rose's
book just came into the library.
Oh yeah.
Like some shit like that.
Oh my hell.
Oh good Lord.
Yeah dude.
Do I.
This is a freaking I learned how you how to put shapes in a Facebook post.
Yeah.
And they had different directions.
Have I told you about this.
No I don't think you have sorry there's like there's just like one memory that I'm just
like what the fuck was I thinking.
Sorry.
So there's a post I made after I learned how to add shapes onto a post and it was like
I could add like triangles.
So I put random freight like direction of triangles and then at the end I put oops drop
my Dory.
Step up as a memory and I mean I didn't touch my phone the rest of the day.
I was like I can't with past Caleb right now.
Do you forget I couldn't with past Jonathan when I put I want to marry a trampoline.
What are my buddies from elementary just like OK question mark.
And then it's like I just really love trampolines.
We were so good Lord.
But yeah I relate more to like this type of bullying where it is very direct and almost
physical because I was bullied in elementary school.
And yeah it was like I said it was instantly physical and I don't know if I've ever shared
this story.
There was this kid this little ginger punk that like constantly like got was getting
on my case over everything.
And I'm like dude I I I don't think about you outside of this this facility.
Like why are you so freaking like bothered by me because it is like anything I did he'd
be like he'd make a comment about it or whatever.
And I'm like dude I don't I don't care.
Like you are so far down on my list of concerns and worries like you're not even a freaking
spark note.
And I think that bothered him.
And I remember it was like winter and we were outside for recess or whatever and my mom
had just bought me these gloves with like little zippers in the hand and I could put
stuff like in them.
But it was cool because it kind of went down into the knuckles a little bit.
And I was a freaking weird kid and I was I went around and freaking was like finding
rocks and shit because there was like a little creek that was by the playground that we would
kind of like sneak down and and go and like play around with like someone dug like there
was a hole going down and like down to this little creek.
So that's where we would all like sneak down like me and my friends and I would just like
gather rocks and shit.
And so I was putting rocks in my in my gloves because I'd find like little cool ones like
that because like I said I was a weirdo.
And so say that's weird.
I thought a lot of kids did that.
But I mean I was weird too.
So you know I can't say.
Yeah when I look back on it I'm like that was an odd choice.
But yeah so I was stuffing up stuffing them in my glove and a lot of the rocks were going
down into my knuckles.
And so the bell rang.
We went to go line up and this kid had just frickin someone pissed in his Cheerios because
he started throwing this basketball at my head and I gave him two times.
He threw it once and I was like I turn around I was like I'm going to assume that's an accident.
It better not happen again.
He threw it a second time and I was like dude.
Like now that I know that was on purpose you have one one more chance to stop.
And he threw it again.
Luckily it didn't hit me.
But I swung and just BAM right across his face dropped him like a sack of flour.
And then he like he went running in crying like a little bitch and I was like I started
realizing my hand was kind of sore and I was like what the fuck.
And I realized I forgot I had rocks in my glove.
Oh shit.
I was like oh no.
Yeah I messed this kid's face up.
And so yeah I freaking like like everyone went in I hung back at like the back of the
line and freaking was like emptying out my gloves.
I'm like I don't need freaking assault with a deadly weapon on my record.
Oh man.
My mom was called.
I explained the situation to her.
That kid ended up getting in trouble.
I think he got sent off to military school.
So I hope your life sucked.
Oh shit.
So anyway time is back in.
I relate to that kind of bullying and I believe he was overwritten.
Damn I don't have any stories about actually standing up to bullying.
Literally all I got there was this one girl that like literally would stab me with a lead
pencil all throughout all throughout second grade or was it first grade.
I think I was first grade.
Yeah like all throughout class she would just stab me with a lead pencil.
Didn't do anything about it.
And then there was this one kid that would always take my lunch.
So yeah but didn't do anything about it.
Yeah I mean you know who my family was.
I was raised by assholes so I was I was raised to deal with it.
I wasn't going to say that.
Well I was always taught like you give someone the benefit of the doubt which is what I did
with that kid.
And then if you give them one chance to like correct their actions and if they attempt
to do it again then you can go and jack up their day.
What I don't have a feeling your dad was the kind of person that like literally one of
the first things that he shows you is he sees his son.
This is this is the kind of math I want to show you see like he shows you a graph he's
just like see there there's a there's fuck around and then there's.
We fuck around to find out the conversation that my dad and I had when I got home because
I got suspended because I was I freaking threw a punch and he was the only like obviously
like the dude was freaking like his face was busted because like I was also I have two
younger brothers.
Guess who knows how to throw a punch.
Fair.
Yeah.
And I like dude when I say I clocked this kid I freaking rocked his world.
Oh dude I believe it.
I mean freaking.
It was straight up Mike Tyson's knockout.
Growing up with you I know your strength.
And then like throw in the frickin like brass knuckle equivalent.
Of rock.
I still I.
I still remember you freaking punching me for always saying sorry I still have the bruises
to prove it.
Yeah I will say though I am sorry that you have to now mark this episode explicit.
Don't care.
I mark all of them explicit.
Okay cool.
I did I always sit there like like I used to like when I cared about like whether or
not you actually said that.
Yeah.
I cared I was just like I started figuring out my art.
Did he say anything.
I don't think so and then I am I won't mark it and but now I'm just like screw it.
All right cool.
Marked.
But yeah well.
Animation right.
Yeah animation.
The animation was not top tier but it was still pretty good.
Yeah.
That's a good way to put it.
Like where would you.
I'd say I thought they had a good time with the animation so I'd probably say I'm at like
an eighty four.
I am actually a little bit higher than you sitting at an eighty seven.
Oh yeah.
There wasn't enough of a problem for me to be like oh yeah this was like super awful.
Yeah like I'm definitely knocking off for some of the jankiness but I mean the I really
like the transitions between like the light and dark when they were like traveling.
I thought those were cool.
Yeah you know what actually I'm going to go point higher.
It deserves a little higher than that so I'm going to go an eighty five.
All right next up we got music.
I don't remember anything special about this.
I don't either.
Were there any even pops on any pop songs in this movie.
There was a couple there more.
They weren't like really pop songs.
It was more it felt more like indie music.
Okay that's fair.
Which I didn't hate but I mean no just yeah didn't really stand.
Nothing really stood out.
Yeah.
And I think with some when doing something like that where it's a little bit more indie
you're going to run into that issue.
That's true.
Yeah.
I'll say I probably like six out of ten if I'm being real generous here.
I was thinking the same thing.
I find it funny that even though we can have different scores now when it comes to music
and costumes mostly we're still on the same page.
Yeah pretty much.
That's because we've just accidentally trained ourselves to do it.
That's true.
All right next up we got character design.
I feel this is one of the high points of the movie just because the way that dark looked
light all the other entities.
I freaking loved insomnia.
Yeah it's an insomniac.
Wait no that's anxiety.
I swear I swear insomnia is also another one of the emotions isn't it for inside out too.
Or wait no that's not an emotion.
For inside out too that's anxiety.
Yeah sorry.
Okay yeah sorry I don't know what I'm saying.
Yeah insomnia is the like the I don't know do you did you ever watch Big Mouth on Netflix.
I watched the first season and then I stopped.
Okay so insomnia's design looks a lot like the anxiety mosquito.
Really okay.
Yeah like did you you said you watched the first or.
We did like this.
Oh wait not Big Mouth.
So the the the spin off series that they did human resources.
I did not watch that.
Oh okay so there's a so there's there's a character called the anxiety mosquito.
Let me.
Let me see if that's actually.
Yeah it's the she's Tito the anxiety mosquito.
Oh good lord.
But yeah so her design looks a lot like insomnia's.
Okay obviously like colorization and everything's different but like the super long nose and
everything like that's all.
On par with with that but the strange noises by being a robot was fun.
Sleep basically being a muppet.
Yeah.
Freaking love that shit.
That was good.
Then quiet being a mouse dude I forget I love that was perfect.
And then sweet dreams just being like that cosmic looking entity was was really good.
Yeah I liked that they had like darkness and light or dark and light looked pretty similar
almost like they could have been like brothers.
I did like that too.
It made complete sense.
Yeah.
And obviously they had like their different looks where light was a little bit more like
beach dude seemed like he had like a long beard sunglasses and all that like just that
plucky attitude.
Yeah and then dark like looked like he was in like a dark trench coat or like would you
say it's like trench coat more robe because he had some like major death vibes.
Yeah I could feel you could go either way but maybe more so leaning towards trench coat.
Yeah.
But I mean he looked cool too.
I didn't I didn't care for the human characters like how they looked.
I liked the humans.
I didn't really have a problem with them.
I thought it was decent.
Yeah it wasn't bad.
I mean I mean the issues I did have they don't affect them too much but I think this is maybe
an eight out of ten.
Damn I thought you were going to be a seven.
I was going to be nice at an eight but never mind.
Damn it.
I could be talked down to a seven.
No dude I got nothing.
All right last up we got our own personal score.
You want to take this one first.
I would love to.
So overall not a great Dreamworks movie but not a bad one either I would say.
The story is kind of kind of felt like all over the place.
It didn't have a certain structure which that's what I wanted definitely reminded me a lot
of Rise of the Guardians but made me realize why Rise of the Guardians is the better movie
out of the two.
But for what it is I still had a decent time.
The dark the light and all the other entities are enjoyable.
Their designs especially look fantastic.
So like I cannot like Kayla point I can understand why I went to streaming.
I can understand why it wasn't released in theaters but it is definitely not Dreamworks
worst.
I can't even think of Dreamworks worse right now.
Honestly I think this might be up there.
Yeah okay because I mean a lot of people they would say oh yeah Shrek 3 and 4 are the worst
but I mean I don't know from Shrek 4 is actually my favorite Shrek.
Third one I can understand.
But anyway but yeah you got a point there.
It is kind of it is kind of in that category.
So personal score.
I think I'll be at a.
Damn it this is hard.
I think I'll be at a 79.
Yeah I'm going to go 79.
Yeah unfortunately.
This might be one just comparing it to like other Dreamworks properties at least ones
I've seen because there's a lot of Dreamworks movies I haven't seen and it's it's their
older stuff.
So like I've never seen ants.
You know everyone talks so high of that movie.
Like it's become like such a like oh people like are discovering how good it is.
It's good but I hate people that say oh it's better than Bugs Life.
I'm like no no it is not.
Dude that is complete horse shit.
Yeah.
But if anything Bugs Life is the Pixar movie that more people need to talk about because
in my opinion Pixar or Bugs Life is under loved.
It deserves more love.
I would almost put this on the same level as maybe Monsters vs. Aliens.
Oh yeah.
OK.
Even though I do I do think Monsters vs. Aliens might be a bit better than this one.
That's that's just because there I feel like the humor is better.
Fair enough.
This might also I would say maybe on the same level as turbo.
Yeah I would definitely give you that.
Yeah.
Like that's that's around where I would I would set it.
I mean it's a good movie.
Unfortunately wasn't I had a hard time getting through it.
I tried watching it this morning and wasn't able to like make it through it.
Like I got here almost all asleep.
Oh dude I did fall asleep a couple of times.
Glad I'm not the only I had to rewind this multiple times.
So I hope 79 isn't being too nice.
Yeah.
But yeah it wasn't even able to keep my daughter's attention to that single walk because there
are a lot of pretty killers in this movie.
I know it's she just wasn't having it.
I mean I don't blame her.
She watched the beginning but as it started like dragging on it she just like started
like she was dozing off too and I'm like that's pretty bad.
Damn.
And she wanted to go off and do something else like she wanted to go like play Mario
on the switch and or whatever and I was like I feel like a kid like this movie is boring.
Hey even though I submitted my scores can you change those or no or is that locked in.
No you can change them.
Like I'm not.
No because like honestly.
You're already locked in your score.
But I forgot the fact that I freaking fell asleep and I had to rewind this multiple times.
Yeah I mean that's not distracting me too much.
Like I'm not like I'm not I'm not downing the movie too much because like I understand
it in when all said and done the time I'm not the target audience for this movie.
Good point.
And so me falling asleep during a kids movie is not going to be an uncommon occurrence
if the kids movie sucks.
And this one and saying it sucks is a bit harsh but it's not one I feel I'm ever going
to really watch again.
Same.
So honestly I think I'm sitting at like a 73 for my personal score.
Okay yeah.
Wow.
Was I too nice to this?
Because like now that I'm thinking of it like honestly like really my score would be like
a 76.
Well should have thought about that before you submitted your scores.
God damn it.
Well whatever.
All right I'll be nice to this movie for the both of us.
All righty.
So going through these scores real quick.
Our story ended up averaging out to a 70.
The writing is sitting at a 67.5 which is actually the lowest category.
Acting got a decent bump sitting at a 77.
Character development is took a bit of a dive sitting at a 68.
The animation ended up sitting at a an 86.
The music is sitting at a six out of ten.
The costumes are in or the character design is an eight out of ten and our personal score
ended up averaging out to a 76.
Okay.
I'll take that.
I feel better about it now.
Yeah I do.
All right so with that the final all bros letter grade for Orion and the dark is a C.
All right.
I like that.
I like that too.
Is it lower is it like a solid C or like kind of on the lower side.
That is a great question.
Let's find out.
All right.
It's a pretty it's a sturdy C.
Okay.
Yeah it ended or so our cutoff for a C plus is a 76 percent.
This ended up getting a 75.56 percent.
All right.
Not bad.
Yeah not bad at all.
So that puts it.
Let's go below.
So this is sitting below my spy.
All right fair.
It is.
And then jumping into the C plus range it's below Transformers Rise of the Beasts trying
to say which one I like more because I fell asleep in both of them.
It is below Paws of Fury the legend of Hank.
Yes.
I'm I'm going to disagree with that one.
Really.
I like to this way better than that.
I like Paws of Fury a little bit better.
It is below Cocaine Bear.
I don't know to say that I really should try to watch that movie again.
Let's see it's below the hitman's wife's bodyguard.
All right.
And it is below disenchanted.
OK.
I can get that one.
All right.
Go in the opposite direction.
This is sitting above.
This is going to be controversial.
This is above the Addams family.
I can understand that.
Oh do you.
Yeah.
OK.
Like as I enjoy those movies but like when it comes to like actually being like decently
like those movies are not great.
They're really not.
And yeah I will admit that this movie is better than that.
All right.
This is above Ant-Man and the Wasp.
I think I put him in the wasp above it.
That's a sequel that gets way too much hate.
I mean it didn't get any love from us.
Yeah that's true.
I don't know after we rewatching it a couple of times.
Yeah.
I think that might be one of those ones I got.
The mass raiding treatment.
Yeah.
So what you're saying is we need to revisit that one.
That might be one that's maybe worth re-exploring.
I'm cool with that.
Because I freaking love this second Ant-Man.
Yeah.
All right.
It is above Star Wars the rise of Skywalker.
That's bullshit.
You know how you I've already said why I love The Force Awakens and the rise of Skywalker.
I'm not going to go into detail.
Well you can jump in a creek all right in the dark is better.
All right.
I'll agree with it.
This cable has to be an asshole about it.
All right.
It's above Venom.
Yeah that's fair.
That might be one that I like like eh about but that's because I think my personal score
is higher for Venom.
That's how I feel about Rise of Skywalker.
But you know.
All right.
And then it is above Power Rangers.
Oh yeah.
I disagree with that.
Yeah.
I do.
I love Power Rangers.
Power Rangers was was good.
Like I want to see like how.
Why the hell did we rank that so low?
Excuse me.
I feel like this is one that might have gotten the the guest treatment but I'm not 100 percent
sure.
The store.
So I mean the story was OK.
The writing took a bit of a dive which I can if memory serves like I can I can stand by
that.
And acting was deep was I think that one might be a bit low.
OK.
Character development pretty average which is fine.
Effects were average.
Music was a seven out of ten.
Costumes were six out of ten which.
Oh yeah.
Dude, we got to revisit this shit.
Yeah.
It should be territory with with our recreating making it my mission.
Yeah.
It seems like we came across a few of those.
Yeah.
So OK.
Add that to the list of I guess we're we're reviews coming soon.
That man on the wasp and Power Rangers or spawns Power Rangers.
But I guess that's the proper term to call it.
Yeah.
But yeah.
So that's what our one two three four.
Yeah.
That's five.
So that's where it's sitting.
OK.
Definitely agree with most but disagree with some.
Rise of Skywalker.
Just kidding.
Can we have that to list of ones we revisit too?
Rise of Skywalker?
No.
That is exactly where it needs to be.
Did we ever do the Force Awakens?
I don't know if we ever did.
OK.
Because that's a that's a tier.
I think we start.
I'm not sure if we.
When was Force was Force Awakens and Thor Ragnarok around the same time?
No Force.
No Force Awakens came out in 2015.
Oh yeah.
So that was well pre yeah.
I just thought that like maybe like in preparation for the Rise of Skywalker we did the Force
Awakens but we did not.
No.
But anyway.
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Yes.
Yeah.
February has kind of been a crazy month.
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So just be prepared for that.
Yeah.
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