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This week on the podcast we have I close the damn outline.
God damn it.
So this being the first episode when this gets released, anyone watching currently,
this is not the case for you.
Yeah, with this being the first episode in January, happy new year, by the way.
Happy new year.
We will be getting into our 4k spotlight for anything that is coming out within the month
of January.
And then we will get.
No, I was gonna say there's like really jack shit coming out.
Yeah I figured with that.
And then all of the teasers and stuff that came out in December.
In our newer new war segment, please your teasers.
So with that, we will be getting.
We'll just get started with that.
So let's let's get it rolling.
Let's do it.
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Alrighty, kicking it off with 4K spotlight.
We got a few new releases that we're going to talk about all coming sometime in January.
So with that, Rose, would you like to guide us through those?
I would love to.
So we only got two big releases coming out in January.
There's not even any cool steel books coming out.
Really?
Yeah, right.
Yeah.
January is a dead month for movies.
It usually always is.
So honestly, the only two movies that we got coming out are The Holdovers, which if you
listen to our episode last week, me and Caleb broke this down and spoiler alert, we freaking
loved it.
So you guys should definitely pick this up.
This actually comes out next week or sorry, the week that this comes out.
Sorry.
This comes out the second, right?
That's the second of January.
Yeah, second of January.
When did this come out?
December.
So it actually opened in October.
No shit.
Yeah.
Weird, right?
That's really weird.
Yeah.
It's insane how fast like I get, you know, like how fast it goes to digital with movies
now.
But even like how fast it goes to physical media is insane.
Nowadays, I remember the days it took like five to six months for a movie that you like
to actually appear in physical format.
But here we are.
You're like, it's kind of a mirror.
It's rare if it takes like three months for it to actually it's rare if it takes like
three months for it to take that long to get to physical media.
Geez.
Yeah.
So.
But yeah.
So we got the holdovers and then we also have Thanksgiving, which is coming at the end of
the month.
I did not see Thanksgiving.
I do want to check this out.
I'll probably wait till it's like 10, like 10, 15 bucks, more so like 10 bucks, because
I mean, I'm always down for any horror movie and especially a holiday themed horror movie
signed up.
Yeah.
How did this movie end up doing?
Because I don't remember hearing anything like negative or positive about it.
I think it got a decent reception because it actually is already greenlit for a sequel.
Eli Roth is actually already writing it as we speak.
But so critics wise, so it's actually an 84 percent right now on Rotten Tomatoes.
So that's pretty damn good.
That is really damn good for a horror movie.
Yeah.
And I'm sure they might have wanted it a little to perform a little bit better, but it's still
pretty good on a budget of 15 million.
It grossed forty five point nine million.
So it's not bad.
Not bad at all.
No.
I bet you the sequel is going to probably not be great.
Probably.
But I don't know these these kind of movies.
Should we really go for like, you know, like quality cinema?
Just saying.
I mean, we could be judging this just based off of the cover, but that's true.
Knowing us like we we finally watched this and it's like one of our favorite horror movies
of all time.
It'd be freaking hilarious.
That'd be the shit, wouldn't it?
I put it on the levels of Halloween.
That'd be insane.
That'd be hilarious.
I definitely say we save that one in just like as a just in case for November of Tony.
Absolutely, dude.
Hell yeah.
Let's do it.
Cool.
Yeah.
Anything else coming out this this month?
No, it's just those two.
Just those two.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
And only one I will be picking up on day one and Chakra.
Yeah, it's definitely the holdovers because this shit was a frickin masterpiece.
I love this movie.
Yeah, dude.
So good.
All right.
Well, with that, we can move on over to pleaser teasers and starting.
We got Godzilla, Godzilla X Kong, the new empire, bro.
The only thing that I and I kind of felt this way with Godzilla versus Kong, I kind of hate
that Godzilla is taking a frickin backseat to the to the Kong storyline because he doesn't
even appear until like there's 30 seconds left in the trailer.
Like, I mean, don't get me wrong, it's cool that they're teaming up and this shot was
frickin badass in the trailer, like them frickin running together.
But just it kind of sucks that like it's definitely still a Kong story.
Godzilla's story is definitely secondhand.
Very much so.
But I mean, it makes sense, though, kind of, at least for the route that they're taking
this whole storyline.
Dude, is it just me or we begin a lot of frickin Godzilla content lately?
Oh, yeah, do we have like I know my buddy, J.C. is happy about that.
Yeah, I mean, because we're getting this movie.
There's Godzilla minus one, which I haven't seen yet, but I hear it's fantastic.
Yeah, I've heard the same.
Does that tie into this?
I know that's its own separate thing.
It's it's OK.
It's its own thing.
Yeah.
So we got Godzilla minus one and then we got that legacy movie coming out, which I'm pretty
sure ties into this.
Yeah, damn.
Oh, my God.
So yeah, at least I ain't complaining.
Yeah.
I mean, all within do within the span of a year.
Yeah, that's that's insane.
That is absolutely insane.
Yeah.
But I am very pumped for that move for Godzilla X Kong.
I do.
I got a question for you.
The CGI on the one, the one is a is he is Kong and April.
Is he a monkey?
Is he still or what even hell is King Kong?
I see a gorilla.
I think he's a gorilla.
He's a gorilla.
OK, so that orange gorilla that we see in like the I think like towards like beginning
middle of the trailer and then at the end, maybe it's just like this baby or yeah, maybe
it's just the size proportions, but I am not liking how that thing's looking.
It looks awkward.
Yeah, it's not great.
But I mean, this is the first trailer, so I can't really knock it that bad.
Yeah.
Fingers crossed that they're not done.
Yes, the CGI like Godzilla and Kong look great, especially Godzilla.
And when he's like charging up his atomic breath, oh, shit, damn, that looks so cool.
Dude, they better explain the freaking color change.
Like why is he's all pink now?
Because it was blue, right?
And yeah, versus Kong.
OK, it was freaking blue.
Yeah.
So I want to I want them to explain that.
I asked J.C. if he already knows the answer.
He might lay any question I have about Godzilla.
He's the kind of turn to.
So I might I might actually ask him.
Yeah.
So I'm pretty pumped for this.
This is one because of Godzilla versus Kong.
I am definitely going to try and catch this one in theaters.
Same.
Yeah, I feel like these kind of movies, if it weren't for J.C., I probably wouldn't catch
in theaters.
And like I remember seeing Godzilla versus Kong and freaking XD, and that was amazing.
So I'm sure that this one's just going to be as good, if not better, on that big of
a screen.
So definitely going to be checking this one out on in XD.
Yeah, I didn't end up catching, catching the versus until it came on HBO Max.
So I watched it on my TV and I was like, oh, man, this would have been freaking sick in
theaters.
It was good.
It was worth it.
It was so worth it.
Yeah.
So as long as the movie itself is good and I'm going to wait for your thumbs up on that.
OK.
Yeah, I'll I'll definitely catch this in theaters.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
What's the next one?
Next up, we've got the first trailer for Furiosa.
This looks pretty dope.
It does.
I mean, so I don't know about you, but the only Mad Max movie I have seen is Mad Max
Fury Road.
I haven't seen any of the old ones.
I'm sorry.
I don't really feel the need to.
It just like don't run.
This is a cool.
It's a cool franchise.
And like Mad Max Fury Road is such a gorgeously made film.
The the story is beautiful.
The atmosphere, just everything is beautiful about that movie.
But just I guess like the older ones, I don't know.
They're not calling out to me.
So I kind of like this new era of Mad Max films.
So based off of that and how much I enjoyed Fury Road, I am I'm looking forward to this
one quite a bit.
Yeah.
Especially a frickin Anya Taylor Joy being on this dude.
Like she there's not a hell hell of a lot that's been amiss with her.
It's true.
I mean, it's hard.
It's hard to replace Charlize Theron.
But you know, completely understandable.
I think like the original plan was she was supposed to still be in it, even though it
was a prequel.
But then they decided to go a different direction, I guess.
So as far as I know, I don't think there's any bad blood.
I hope there isn't.
But yeah, on a Taylor Joy was an excellent choice to play young Furiosa.
Yeah.
So this is going to be my my inspiration to actually watch Fury Road, because I have yet
to see it.
Dude, it's you're in for a treat.
Like you really are.
Yeah, I need to set up a VR movie night with with DJ and you if you want in on it to do
to watch Fury Road, because he said that was like the one movie that he never got to see
in theaters and he feels like he missed out.
So I wish it was frickin I wish this one was one that they offered in 3D because all Fury
Road is still one of the best 3D movies I've ever seen.
Dude, that was pretty sick.
Yeah, so worth it.
But I don't know the last time we were on big screen, I didn't see it there.
But you know, they could have added it.
Yeah, I mean, that that that app is only getting better.
So fair.
I don't see any reason why it wouldn't.
That's fair.
But yeah, very excited for this one.
This is kind of acting as like the live action return for Hemsworth to isn't it?
Because I was a little bit of a break.
Yeah, I think so.
And frickin I'm loving his performance here.
Dude, he was damn near unrecognizable there for a second.
Dude, straight up.
Because I got the trait.
I mean, I caught like the the I guess the teaser for this on TikTok one time.
And so when he when it's just like ladies and gentlemen, like I was like, dude, that
looks like frickin Hemsworth.
Like it took me a second because I'm just like, gosh, like that dude sounds super familiar.
But yeah, so now knowing that it's Hemsworth, I'm pumped.
I'm pumped to see where where they go with this movie.
And fingers crossed, I frickin like Fury Road.
Yeah, dude, I hope you do.
I really do.
Yeah, yeah, dude, I definitely can't.
I can't wait to watch that one with you.
Yeah, so super excited for Furiosa.
And then last but certainly not least, changing it up here, we got a got a video game trailer
for our last one, but it is very special video game.
We got our first trailer at the beginning of December for Grand Theft Auto six.
I can't believe that it finally frickin happened.
Even though out frickin time, I know frickin there was a huge fiasco.
Someone like leaked it early.
So Rockstar Rockstar is straight up put on their Twitter.
Well, someone leaked it.
So here you guys go, which I'm not going to get into it again.
But just like I remember, I like frickin like I felt like I poured my heart and soul out
to Caleb with how disappointed I was that someone leaked it.
Like we didn't get to enjoy the countdown to Rockstar actually releasing it when they
wanted to.
But regardless, looking past that phenomenal trailer, this game looks like after GTA five,
I didn't think that they could up their graphics.
But lo and behold, here we are.
Like this shit looks amazing.
Oh, my God.
Holy shit.
Does this game look like it's going to be good?
This is actually this.
This trailer, I mean, I've been wanting to upgrade, but this is going to be my push to
upgrade my console.
Dude, same.
I thought it was going to be Spider-Man 2, but no, I'm I had a feeling that no, it was
going to be great.
I thought of six when it was officially announced.
I'm like, OK, yep.
All right.
I got a year.
I got a year to get a PS5 so I can experience this on open on opening day because, oh, dude,
I'm so excited.
Yeah, that's that's going to be the shit, dude.
I mean, the the I talked about this with Brielle and she doesn't she's like not into video
games at all.
So when I was talking about all the improvements she made, she's like, OK, I'm like, damn,
Brielle.
And I'm like, dude, think about all like the new stuff that they're adding, like they're
adding it.
So the beach, like like the beaches look like they're actually going to be populated.
It's not just like a few people here and there.
Like it's going to feel like an actual populated beach.
You're going to get to see like.
Right I mean, this is this all takes place in Florida, right?
Yeah.
So you'll be I mean, it's going to be like driving around.
I want to I want to say Miami.
I know it's like I know they have it's like a fictional.
Yes.
So it takes place in Miami, Florida, but their version is called Vice City.
OK.
Yeah.
Vice City is they had a game in Vice City before.
Yep, they have.
Yeah.
Grand Theft Auto Vice City.
Oh, OK.
That's why it sounds familiar.
It's kind of like.
Oh, my God.
Like GTA 5 took place in Los Santos.
Frickin basically it's it's it's it's Los it's the Los Angeles of the GTA universe.
OK.
Yeah.
I am pumped, dude.
I am.
I'm loving that.
I mean, there's going to be updated graphics.
They're putting new hair textures.
So there's going to be a wider variety of hairstyles.
So it's not going to be just the typical video game straight hair weirdness.
I love.
Yeah.
I mean, they're going to have that.
The population is going to be greater.
There's going to be like a wider variety of things that you you see.
I mean, like the pool cleaners, like people were comparing like you're going to be able
to see like people get in their pools cleaned or maintained or whatever versus what anytime
you went there, it was like a plain Jane background or backyard.
DJ is going to lose his shit with that, right?
Yeah, right.
I mean, it's that it's going to be I mean, apparently from what I've heard, they've mimicked
a lot of like those Florida man or Florida woman stories, and they've just kind of thrown
those in the game.
So you're going to get it like witness a bunch of that shit.
And for again, I'm loving the protagonist that we have.
Just I love that it's a couple them having to work together to get through whatever they're
going to the challenges that they're going to go through with this story.
Yeah, I forgot.
I swear it's Lucia.
And I think his name is Jason, I think.
So are these like new characters?
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, these are brand new characters.
OK, cool, cool, cool.
And so, yeah, this is going to be the first female protagonist in any Grand Theft Auto
game.
So I'm guessing it's going to be like similar to five where it's like you're switching off
between the two.
I would assume so.
I'm excited for that.
Yeah, I'm very excited for that.
Gosh, I can't wait for this game to write.
Oh, my God.
I'm so excited.
I can't wait to see what they do with like the character customization, because obviously
they're going to have an online mode.
Oh, yeah, I feel like that's given.
You know, I think someone I don't know if it was someone a rock star, but I know.
I think it was one of it was either Ned Luke or the guy that played Franklin from GTA five.
They straight up said if it weren't for the success of GTA, GTA online, Rockstar would
have gotten to work.
I mean, they've been working on GTA six for a long time, but they would have gotten to
work a lot sooner if GTA online wasn't as popular and successful as it was.
That seems like a bullshit.
The fact that it was raking in so much money there, just like, OK, well, you know, like,
maybe we can just, you know, like egg this off for just a little bit longer before we
really dip our toes in the GTA six.
I mean, fair enough.
I mean, if you're making money elsewhere.
But I mean, my issue is that they promised Grand Theft Auto six a while ago.
That's true.
They did.
And it's like they didn't even like offer any updates.
There was there was nothing.
We got the announcement and then that was it.
Yeah, that's true.
And it's kind of been the same thing with Frickin Skyrim because I think we got a teaser
for Elder Scrolls six and I haven't heard Dick all.
I remember seeing that.
Yeah.
Since like it was the same time Grand Theft Auto six got released or like that teaser
is around the exact same time.
And yeah, we haven't heard shit from them.
So I mean, because I remember like when Rockstar says, oh, you know, like we're starting work
on the next Grand Theft Auto, they didn't even say like they didn't fully come out and
say it's going to be Grand Theft Auto six.
Hell, for all we knew, it could have been just a like like a spinoff of one of the other
games or a remaster of one of the other games.
So the fact that it took 10 years from GTA five to GTA six just to get the first teaser.
This is just the teaser.
This isn't like the full on trailer is just the first teaser trailer is insane.
But it was to me.
I feel it's freaking worth the wait.
I am very excited for this for this game.
And I'm not like I like Grand Theft Auto, but I mean, it's just been so long since I've
played that game because it's like I beat the story and there's just kind of and I don't
like playing online.
Same.
So I'm like, yeah, right.
I'm like, so kind of like, what's the point?
So that's why I haven't played it in so long.
But I do kind of have a craving for that storyline or not even that the Grand Theft Auto story
just like that type of game.
Yeah.
So I'm hoping that they offer private servers and cross platform or cross a cross platform.
Is that the term?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
Cross platform gameplay so we can play together like with you on your PlayStation, me on my
Xbox like that be the shit or you could just get PlayStation.
Forget you, Rose.
You had a PS4.
It's not like you've never had a PlayStation.
OK, I didn't purchase a PS4.
I stole one from my brother.
Still though, you actually it wasn't even it was a actually it was a borrow that turned
into a confiscation.
Oh, my.
Because, like, dude, because what happened was I borrowed his PlayStation 4 so I could
play Spider-Man.
I played Spider-Man, finished it, and I was like, OK, cool.
Time to give it back.
And then I just kind of kept forgetting to.
And then he eventually went and bought an Xbox.
And then he like, oh, you know, I don't really need it anymore.
And I'm like, all right, cool.
And I moved across the country and still haven't given it back.
Well, maybe the same situation will happen with the PS5.
I doubt it, dude.
My brother so into Xbox now, like, I doubt it.
Traitor.
His two consoles now he has the Xbox Series X and.
The Nintendo Switch.
I felt very I feel that nowadays, that's like the one system that like almost everyone has
a switch.
Yeah, either I switch.
Yeah, it's.
I don't want to say I really should play mine more.
I don't play mine as much.
I want to get a switch really bad just because I want I want to play Mario Kart.
I forgot how fun that game is, dude, right?
But yeah, so.
Yeah, getting back to Grand Theft Auto, super pumped.
Yes, pumped.
Oh, so, so pumped.
Can't wait.
Yeah, that's going to be a preorder for all same, dude.
Frickin I'm hoping that they offer a steelbook because everyone knows how I am with steelbooks.
I hope they offer a steelbook.
That'd be frickin awesome.
At least we know it's not going to bet.
Well, actually, wait, no, this is a video game.
It still could be going to Best Buy.
But oh, so someone I watch on YouTube may have gotten a big month that they're starting
to do.
They're going to get rid of all their physical, physical media in stores, just movies, not
video games.
February.
That's that's the month that they're shooting for.
All movies will be removed from Best Buy stores and Best Buy online.
OK, so it sounds like January is going to be the month to frickin raid.
Yeah, right.
Best Buy dude.
Frickin the I don't know if you saw, but Disney, they did like these Disney 100 steelbooks.
They were ugly.
They really didn't look that good.
But Best Buy had them on sale for 10 bucks each.
Right.
So even if you didn't love the steelbook, at least you were getting a Disney 4K movie
for 10 bucks.
So I will fully admit I took a little bit of advantage of that and did pick up some
noise.
But yeah, GTA six can't frickin wait.
Hell yeah.
All right.
Hold on.
I got a frickin bug.
You got a what?
A bug.
Oh, bug.
Oh my damn.
I don't have a frickin tissue.
Or a napkin or nothing.
All right, I will be right back.
OK, sounds good.
This bug's gonna frickin bug me.
Oh, shit.
Well, I don't know what to do when I'm just solo.
GTA six.
We already talked about it.
But if I had to say like in order of stuff that is coming out or like the teasers that
we talked about, it disappeared.
Oh, shit.
In order, I would say number three, Godzilla X Kong to Furiosa and then number one, GTA
six.
So.
Huh?
I was I didn't know what else to say, so I just ranked the trailers.
Oh, yeah.
What did you say was was one GTA six.
OK.
And then number two.
Furiosa.
OK, that's actually exactly how I drank them too.
Hell, yeah.
OK, sweet.
All right.
Well.
I think that wraps up this week's or this month's pleaser teasers.
Yes.
So with that, I say let's get into this week's breakdown.
Let's do it.
All right.
Oh.
All right.
All righty, getting into this week's breakdown after we all think of a way to introduce
this shit.
The damn bug came back and now it's pissing me off.
Oh, shit.
OK.
Well, it has been a couple of weeks, but we did finally ask a question of the week and
we did get some responses for that.
So that is a tie in to this week's episode where we will be breaking down Aquaman and
the Lost Kingdom.
So with that, we did.
So our question of the week was, what is something that you're going to miss about the pre James
Gunn D.C.E.U.
And so, like we said, we did get a few responses on that.
I'll start off first over on Instagram.
We got a response from a Curtis Christiansen who said Green Lantern.
Does that count in the D.C.E.U.?
It doesn't not count.
OK.
I was that Green Lantern was kind of a gray area.
It is a gray area, but it is pre James Gunn.
I mean, so they didn't really specify.
I try to see if if they meant like the one that was in the Zack Snyder films.
But I mean, that's I I assume that they're talking about the Ryan Reynolds one.
The masterpiece.
Yeah, which.
I don't hate that movie.
I never saw it, so I can't form an opinion.
Yeah, it's one I don't hate, but I don't love it either.
It's just kind of like I am leaning more towards not liking it.
Like it's one that I'm probably.
It's one that I have to like go along enough period of time without having seen it to watch
it again and be like, oh, yeah, that's actually trash or.
Or like, oh, that's not necessarily as trash or it's it's not good.
Yeah.
But that's my my first response.
I have one come from Tick Tock from Super Tired Underscore Trainwreck.
I love that, that that that that username, that's great.
They said a lot of it.
Good actors, great costumes, good props, excellent universe, but bad writing.
Dude, that is the biggest fault of the DCEU.
Yeah, like everything else was freaking on point.
Yep.
Agreed.
Yeah.
All right.
My next response is coming from Arth Mohan, who said, got to be the man of steel.
That's fair.
Man of steel doesn't get enough love.
And I honestly, it's the reason why I actually like Superman.
Now I used to think stupid, stupid man, stupid man.
I used to think Superman was stupid man until actually Henry Cavill came into the role.
And now I really enjoy the character.
I mean, I'm going to have to get used to a new Superman, but that's OK.
Man, dude, the biggest thing that the DCEU is missing out on with the man of steel was
giving Superman a personality.
True.
That's a good point.
Like he was just so quiet and soft spoken, like everyone just kind of acted around him
and not saying that Henry Cavill did like gave a bad performance.
He gave an amazing performance, like thinking back to when he was like on the verge of snapping
Zod's neck and like pleading, basically pleading with him to not like or to stop.
Yeah.
And then he's like, OK, got to do what I got to do and like snapped it.
And how much that like broke him.
Like you're telling me that you freaking gave us that, but you couldn't give us a freaking
personality whatsoever.
That's some horseshit.
Yeah, very much so.
Yeah.
And that that's purely a writing issue.
Yeah.
So yeah, absolutely agree with that one.
This one is also kind of a tie in.
We got a got one from your fave Star Wars fan who said Henry Cavill is Superman.
And got to agree there.
And our general gym.
Yes.
And his suit, dude, his fur effect.
My only complaint about the suit is I wish it had a little like brighter colors.
That's fair.
Yeah.
And I think for someone else to see, like, I would also maybe stay the same for Wonderwoman.
But I feel like Wonderwoman's darker colored suit worked a little bit better.
But I would have preferred it like brighter tones for Superman.
And I've seen like someone do an edit of like, oh, this is what his color should actually
be.
And it looks amazing.
So yeah.
And then we actually got two responses from that ED 2004.
I'll tell you.
I'll OK.
I'll take this one.
Ben Affleck's Batman.
Yes, dude.
What pisses me off is we never got a decent chance for him to show off his Batman.
We didn't.
And he was so perfectly cast as Bruce Wayne.
Yeah, it sucks.
Perfectly like, OK, perfectly cast is a bit of a strong word.
But OK, listen, his the ideal transition between Batman and Bruce Wayne should be like the
tone of voice that he's able to use.
But he was like he almost seemed like a almost depressed Batman and didn't really have like
I would like to see a bit more like a cheery Bruce Wayne.
Like if you think about like the Batman animated series, there was a very big distinction between
the Bruce Wayne voice and the Batman voice.
So you point like you could tell that there was like some like a level of charm.
It's just like, OK, how does that any other like Batman that I've seen like live action
Batman, it's very easy to see like, oh, yeah, that's definitely like how can you not believe
that that's that he's Batman?
It's like he's not charming enough in his Bruce Wayne form to.
Like be like this playboy billionaire.
It's not played out well enough.
And I think that that's the biggest thing that they've been missing is someone that's
that nails both the charming playboy billionaire and the Dark Knight.
Yeah.
And I feel like Ben Affleck was walking that line of being able to do that.
Yeah.
But again, it's something that we didn't really get to see him do.
So that that sucks.
Yeah, it does.
Last one.
Like Caleb said, we got two comments coming from Benny D 2004.
So I got to read the second one.
And they said, despite the controversy, I did enjoy Ezra Miller's Flash, but I'm excited
to see a new take on the character.
Yes, absolutely.
Ezra Miller is actually the reason why I like the Flash so much.
I loved their version of the character.
And I am sad that they like looking past the controversy.
I'm just looking at their portrayal of the character.
I am sad that they they don't get another crack at it because I would love to see their
more of their Barry Allen.
But I still do look forward to see what James Gunn has in store for the character of the
Flash.
Yeah, which it doesn't seem like we're going to get the Flash for a while.
Are we even going to get the Flash?
Not in the not in the first few years of the DCU.
Shit.
So so far, the only like confirmed people that we're going to be seeing anytime soon
is Superman, Guy Gardner's Green Lantern, a couple rando Justice League members and
other heroes.
We'll get Supergirl, we'll get Batman, we'll get a we'll finally get a live action Robin
and personally one of my favorite Robins being Damien Wayne.
Oh, yes.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, Damien and Dick Grayson are tied for my number one spot in terms of Robin.
And then.
Yeah.
So those two are tied and then it'd be Jason Todd and then Tim Drake.
And that's like the only thing that it's it's close between those two.
And the only reason that I put Jason Todd up higher is because he him becoming the Red
Hood is really interesting to me.
OK.
But I've I fingers crossed, dude.
I've always wanted to see how Batman or how how Damien and Nightwing handle each other
because Dick Grayson is like the adopted son of Bruce Wayne, who Bruce Wayne views as his
son and then Damien being the biological son.
Yeah.
And it's just like, oh, like, I want to see that dynamic at play.
And so I'm just I'm praying that we get that because that would be super cool.
But yeah, Damien Wayne is the best frame.
Love him.
But same thing.
Same thing for Nightwing or for Grayson.
I love them both.
So I can't wait to see a live action Robin and a frickin James Gunn live action Robin
to.
Yeah, that's going to be amazing.
Yeah.
If anyone can pull off a live action Robin, like it's going to be him.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, very excited to see that.
And then.
There is going to be a Green Lantern series that was announced.
And then let me see, like, what his.
OK, let's see.
So Superman, Supergirl, Batman.
OK, Swamp Thing.
And the Authority, which the Authority is like a team.
The creature commandos.
There's going to be a Themyscira Game of Thrones type story.
Oh, OK.
And then there's going to be some some new series.
So Peacemaker.
Lanterns, which is going to be like a true detective style show.
Featuring Jon Stewart and Hal Jordan.
I guess they're going to do booster gold.
And it looks like that might be it.
Yeah.
OK, so, yeah, that's the plan for the DCU, at least for the first, I want to say, three
years.
OK, so I think that this will take us into 2026.
Damn.
Yeah, I don't.
I want to say I don't think anything is getting released 2024.
The DCU, because I think Superman Legacy is set to release in like mid 2025.
OK.
But I'm excited.
I'm very excited to see what what comes from that.
All righty.
Well, thank you to everyone that answered our question of the week.
We really appreciate it.
Now getting into this week's breakdown.
If you guys are new to our breakdown system, we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final Albrose letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting, character development, effects,
music, costumes.
And then we give it our own personal score at the very end.
All of those get added up and magically spit through our algorithm and give us a letter
grade to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.
Yeah.
So with that, if you have not seen Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom, we are going to be posting
that spoiler alert now because Rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you when he
reads off the synopsis in our favorite segment that we like to call reading with Rose.
So like Sam Nelson says, Rose, read away.
Oh, my God.
I still want to know why I'm in trouble, Sam.
I'm just saying.
I think he just means because he's awake.
Oh, okay.
Ready to roast the ever loving shit out of you.
All right.
That's fair.
All right.
Several years after becoming King of Atlantis, Arthur Curry has married Mara and had a son,
Arthur Jr. while splitting his life between land and sea.
Meanwhile, David Kane continues to seek revenge against Arthur for his father's death, working
with marine biologist Stephen Shin to find Atlantean artifacts.
He finds a black Triton that possesses him, its creator promising to give him the power
to destroy Arthur.
Five months later, David attacks Atlantis and breaks into its...
Wow.
Orochalcum reserves to power Shin's Atlantean machines.
Arthur learns that this uses of our...
Oh, my God.
Orochalcum, which emits high quantities of greenhouse gases, has not only raised planetary
temperatures and caused extreme weather and ocean acidification, but nearly caused a planetary
extinction when used by an ancient Atlantean kingdom.
To learn where David is hiding, Arthur breaks his half-brother Orm out of prison.
The two meet with the crime lord Kingfish, who provides information leading to a volcanic
island in the South Pacific.
While on the island, Arthur and Norm stumble across the black Trident, which Orm learns
was created by Cordax, the brother of King Atlan and ruler of the lost kingdom of Necrus,
who was imprisoned with blood magic following a failed attempt to usurp the throne.
Realizing the blood of any of the Atlantean's descendants could release Cordax, the two
make their way to Amnesty Bay, where they learn David has kidnapped Arthur Jr., the
Atlanteans with...
Wait, sorry.
That was the end of the sentence.
I'm so sorry.
The Atlanteans, with a reluctant Shin's help, determine that Necrus' prison is located in
Antarctica.
In Necrus, Arthur fights David to stop him from injuring Arthur Jr., though Arthur is
almost killed before Mara arrives and saves her husband.
David throws the black Trident at Mara as she is taking her son to safety, but Orm catches
it before it strikes her.
The spirit of Cordax leaves David to Orm, who proceeds to fight Arthur and uses his
blood to reverse Atlan's magic, freeing Cordax.
Arthur convinces Orm to give up his hatred for him, allowing Arthur to destroy both Cordax
and the black Trident, with Cordax's magic vanishing.
Necrus starts to collapse.
David refuses Arthur's help and allows himself to fall into a fissure to his death.
The Atlanteans and Shin escape to safety, and Arthur and Mara decide to let Orm go until
the rest of Atlantis that he died on the condition he remains hidden.
Believing the unification of the underwater kingdoms and the surface world is necessary,
Arthur reveals Atlantis' existence through an announcement at the United Nations and
declares his intentions of making the kingdom a member state.
Hooo, damn.
Not bad.
Thank you.
Yeah, that could have been a little bit, the the org, ork halkum.
That's not what it is.
I think that's what it is.
Is a frickin mouthful so don't blame me on that one. Okay. Thank you.
Oh man.
Dude, I gotta say.
This was a pretty decent conclusion to the DCEU.
I agree. I think it's getting way too much hate. Like people are saying, oh, the
the DCEU goes out on on a whimper. No, I wouldn't say that. It doesn't go out on
like a super high note. Like this movie isn't amazing, but I feel for what it is.
It's a good sequel and I feel that it's a good wrap up to this character
especially. And it definitely made me, it made me even, it made me realize how
even more I'm going to miss Jason Momoa's Aquaman.
Dude, I am bummed that we're not going to get more Momoa as Aquaman.
Yeah.
Because Aquaman, he's never been like a cool character until Jason Momoa got his hands on him.
He made Aquaman cool. There's no doubt about that.
Yeah. And it sucks. Like, I mean, even the comics they've adapted or they've brought
in a little bit of Momoa's personality to Aquaman. Made him like fun and actually
interesting and not just a freaking blonde Superman.
Yeah.
So I hope that this gets, this is something that gets pulled over into the new DCU when
they eventually get to the point of bringing in the likes of Aquaman and Atlantis.
Yeah.
But it's a bummer. It is a major bummer that we're not going to have any more of this
because this, if there's anything that's a disappointment or that I'm going to miss
from the DCU, it's going to be Aquaman.
I wish we got a couple more stories with him.
Yeah.
And not just like little cameos or whatever.
Like Arthur Curry is such an interesting character now, especially like with the
worlds that he's trying to balance between being a land dweller and the king of the
oceans. So I would have loved to see him adapting that, like seeing him pass on the
mantle to his son or like any of these other stories.
Like I think that would have been really cool to see.
No, yeah, I agree.
But alas, it will never be.
Yeah.
But starting off with story, dude, I loved how this story was laid out.
I did too.
You know what?
Unpopular opinion.
I think I might have liked this one better than the first.
Not unpopular opinion because I did too.
Hell, yeah.
Sweet.
Yeah, I don't know what it was about the first Aquaman, but like it was
good, but I didn't love it.
This one I thought was honestly really good.
Story was super solid here.
I loved especially the brother dynamic that they set up between Arthur and Orm.
That was freaking great.
I love that Orm wasn't a bad guy in this one.
Of course, it made sense in the first one, but I love that you actually get to see
their brotherly bond start to come to fruition in this one.
And I just really like that this one really focused more so on Aquaman than I feel even
the first one did.
You really get to see who Aquaman is as a character.
And with that, you get to see who Arthur Curry is as well.
So there are certain characters that do take a backseat, some for obvious reasons, some
for other reasons.
I will say this though, and just to throw it out there, we're talking about Amber Heard
and her inclusion in this story.
I feel that that was really well handled.
Dude, it was.
Yeah, it didn't feel like out of the ordinary with the amount of screen time
that they gave her.
It fit damn near flawlessly into the story.
It made sense.
Yeah, she was in it just enough for it to make sense and not feel awkward.
Yes.
Anytime she was on screen, I personally felt like, oh, how are they going to handle this?
And then they'd move on to the next scene and then she wouldn't be in it.
But it would make sense why she wasn't.
Yeah.
So kudos to James Wan for being able to pull that off.
Yeah.
Dude, kudos for him for everything.
Like there's not a whole hell of a lot he got wrong with this film.
No, seriously.
I mean, the pacing was solid.
Sorry.
No, I was just saying the pacing was solid.
The villain motivations were really good.
Dude, like freaking Black Manta.
Like, don't get me wrong.
I thought he was good in the first one.
He was phenomenal in this movie.
I loved his villain arc in this.
And the dude freaking when he like Arthur reaches out his hand to save him,
I was like, I swear to God, if he grabs that hand, I'm going to know.
But he's like, never.
I'm like, yes, finally.
Thank you.
You didn't redeem a villain.
That's how it should be.
I, dude.
There was two routes that I thought that they were going to go with that.
And luckily, they didn't go with either of them.
Because I thought one way it was going to be like, yeah, the whole villain redemption
thing, kind of.
I don't think he was going to be fully redeemed.
But I thought, like, okay, yeah.
First, my first thought is like, yeah, he goes and grabs the hand, gets pulled up to safety,
and then maybe backhands Aquaman and freaking books it.
Like, that's what I thought the first route was going to go.
Right.
All right.
And then the other option was that maybe he goes and reaches for the hand and then tries
to attack him and then Aquaman drops him and then he falls to his death.
I am so glad that they went the third route and just being like a big old F you
throws himself from the cliff.
I'm like, dude, perfect ending to this version of Black Manta.
Yeah.
Like, you could not have done that any better.
No.
Yeah, they really couldn't have.
It was perfection.
But I loved how even after being freed of the influence that the dark Trident had on him,
like he was still holding on to that anger.
And it just shows that maybe that wasn't all dark magic.
Like that maybe like I think a majority of that anger and rage was always within him.
And yeah, and I think genuinely it was a matter of what's his face, not being able to hold on to
the I think there was like different reasons why Manta versus Orm had different reactions
to the Trident because I think with Manta, he didn't meet like the bad guy.
What's his name?
Cordax.
I don't think Cordax needed to have that much of a hold on Manta because Manta was already set.
I'm killing Aquaman and he's like, cool.
I need his blood anyway.
Like, I'll just give you that little power boost that you need to be like more powerful
or whatever.
And then with Orm, Orm had a rage, but it was a rage that I don't think he was acting on.
And so that's where Cordax kind of took a little bit stronger of a hold on to Orm.
And I love that contrast between the two when they were both being corrupted by Cordax's magic.
Yeah. And so, yeah, just like I said, interesting contrast.
Try to think, dude, it wasn't until I was like in the movie and saw
Arthur Jr. that I was like, okay, maybe they don't need to go the baby killing route.
I was 100% anticipating them taking that.
And I was just like, no, they can't.
They can't because when freaking Manta had him and he was crying in his room or whatever,
I'm like, I can't freaking handle this, dude.
Like, I can't do it.
And so I'm glad that he eventually got saved and everything.
And yeah, so I am a little ashamed of myself for thinking like, yeah, baby killing's fine.
At least in terms like for this movie, finds a strong word, but still.
But yeah, I mean, the threats that this movie put out there and the ultimate conflict of
what Manta was trying to do with producing these obscene amounts of greenhouse gases to warm up the
earth enough to melt Cordax from his tomb. I will say even like Cordax knew it was blood magic.
So it almost threw me off like once we discovered that it was blood magic, because obviously we knew
we didn't know it was until later on. We didn't figure out that it was blood magic.
Before it was like, so Cordax would have known that because he was the one that was
captured by it. So why was he having Manta do this like kind of back alleyway of
free like of going like this route? Or was this purely just to like free the kingdom?
Because I mean, they had enough and they were just like, oh yeah, we just need one well placed
missile will unlock it. I'm like, you could have just spent your time drilling. Yeah, that's true.
Like it kind of felt like a waste of time. Like ultimately, when once we found out that it was
blood magic. Yeah. And like that seems meh. So I think that might be one of my bigger issues with
the story. All right, that's fair. Other than that, I love the dynamic between Orm and Arthur. I
thought their discussions were really fun. Yes. And I really liked the redemption that they had for Orm.
Yes, that was so good. That felt well earned by the end of this film. A lot of the times when they
tried to do something like that, it doesn't feel quite earned. Especially when you're
trying to redeem that villain from. Yeah. And in his case, I don't think he went so far to the left
that he wasn't redeemable. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. I mean, and then in the end, I mean,
he did show that he was willing to finish out his sentence. That's true. To finish out his,
like repay his debts. So I think that was in itself is redeeming quality about him.
Yeah. So it's just, I think this was really well executed. I agree.
So where are you sitting with the story here? I think personally,
I think I'm going to be at an 83. I'm going the opposite direction. I'm sitting at like an 86.
Okay. I thought this was really, really well done. But again, I am docking pretty heavily for that
flaw in the in Cortex's logic. Yeah, fair. All right. Next up we got writing. This is pretty
freaking sick. Yeah. No, the writing was good. I would say just as good as the story. My opinion,
I don't know if like one was better than the other. I feel like it was pretty even for me,
at least. Which is exactly what you want. That's true. Yeah. I know. I definitely agree with that.
But you know, the writing for all the characters was strong. The fact that, you know, since
Aquaman's already had one movie and we know who Arthur Curry is, his writing has just gotten
better. I will admit that there were some times that you're just like, okay, maybe Jason Momoa
is just being Jason Momoa. But I don't really care because like, this is my version of Aquaman and
the writing with him is freaking fantastic. Like, I don't know how you felt about the ending and the
whole freaking how it was not a ripoff, but like a nod to the first Iron Man. I didn't hate it.
I didn't either. It did not feel out of character one bit. So it made sense.
But yeah, no, like, literally every every character is well written. They
are. What else is there to say? You said like, I think the story here is a lot. Wow, we are.
We already talked about the story. Wow. Sorry. I don't know what else to say. Just
right. Writing was just as good as the story. I was quite impressed, honestly.
Yeah. Honestly, I think I'm on the same page as you with it being like right on. So I'm
also I'm going to be given the exact same score that I gave story. I think I'm just going to be
slight. Well, yeah, you know, I'm going to be I'm going to be the same. I'm going to be the same
level of mine. Yeah. I mean, the dialogue between Arthur and basically anyone that he talked to
was just incredible to watch. Yeah. I really liked how they how they they brought Orm and Arthur
together as brothers near the end. And they had like genuine like brotherly conversations,
which was nice. And I love my favorite bit of dialogue between Arthur and Orm was when
Orm was was like kind of figured out like that Arthur didn't want the throne. And he's like,
so why did you challenge me? He's like, because you're being a dickhead about the surface world.
He says, if you didn't threaten the surface world, you would have kept your throne, asshole.
You would have kept your throne, asshole. And then you just see the just like, like, really,
damn it. And Arthur's face and or an Orm's face. And I'm like, yeah, sucks to suck, bro. And just
the frickin just the roasting after that, too. And he's just like, well, my father prepared me
for years for your arrival when you would challenge me for the throne. And he's just like,
that's sad, considering how badly I beat your ass. And he's like, with little to no prep time.
And he's like, well, Mara helped. Like, that's just that's such a brotherly interaction.
No, I loved it. But it was also Orm. He like
he helped you realize, too, Orm's not necessarily like a bad guy. He was doing what he thought was
the correct choice for his kingdom. And it just showed more so in this, like,
he's willing to do whatever it takes for the benefit of the kingdom.
And because of that, like, obviously, honoring as many traditions as he can, because he does
yield the throne to Arthur at the end of the first Aquaman. So he's honoring that he's
honoring his sentence. He's willing to go back and pay it forward or to not pay it forward.
He's willing to go back and pay out the rest of his sentence.
Despite being freed, like and it wasn't like what was nice, too, is once he saw Arthur, he's like,
yo, we have a treaty with the with the Fishermen people. Like, you're going to jack this shit up.
And then it's going to be like all that war. So I love that how that was his main concern,
not that Arthur was breaking him out or anything and like, oh, yeah, let's get out of here.
It was, yo, what the hell are you doing? You're putting the kingdom at risk and just shows his
his priorities. I love that, like that little nod towards or not a nod. I love the firmness
in character that he has. Yeah. I love when when they're able and James wanted an incredible job
with it. So I just love when they're able to hold the power of the kingdom and the power of the
hold true to their their values. Absolutely. And ultimately, it showed that Orm's
only allegiance is to Atlantis and its people and the kingdom itself. Yeah.
So I felt like his dialogue really, like, well reflected that. And we'll get into it with
character development, but I do feel like he had some significant growth as a character as well.
Yeah, I can definitely agree with that. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm given, like I said, given writing in 86
on my my end. And then moving on over to acting. Let's see, we have
Jason Momoa, who played Arthur Curry, aka Aquaman, Patrick Wilson, who played Orm,
Yaya Abdul-Mateen, the second who played David Kane or the Black Manta,
and then Randall Park, who played Dr. Steven Shin.
And then Randall Park, who played Dr. Steven Shin. Dude, all four of these guys gave a great
performance. Yeah, they really did. So frickin choosing a top three is really hard. Yeah, for
sure. I got to say, Patrick Wilson got yoked for this. Dude, seriously. Yeah, frickin when he first
gets into water after, you know, being skin and bones for so long
and you see how frickin yoke he is, you're just like, God damn.
Like, oh, shit. Like, yeah, he he looked great. And I don't think we ever saw
Jason Momoa's without like, he was like, you didn't see him all muscled up, right? Like he
was always in his suit. Yeah. Yeah, it was either he was in a suit or he was just in like,
looked like just like a flannel that he was wearing. Yeah. So he's always in like loose
fitting clothing and, and whatnot. Which I'm totally fine with. Yeah. But yeah, I'm glad that
that or I'm gonna show show off a bit. But yeah. So what's your top three looking like?
So number three, I'll get to Patrick Wilson. Amazing is arm like Tim so much more this time
around. Just because I feel he had way more character development. He still had character
development in the first one. But just the fact that you know, we really get to see things from
his side in this one. And like you pointed out that his main thing is that he he truly cares about
Atlantis and he just wants the best for Atlantis and all of it all the Atlanteans. So loved that.
So yeah, definitely number three. Number two, I would give to your ha Abdul Mateen. I thought he
was good. And the first one he was fantastic as black manta slash David Kane here, much more
menacing. Just just all around just so good. Such a great villain. And the fact that yeah,
the ending when Aquaman reaches out his hand, he just says never, and frickin just pushes himself
off and kills himself. Fantastic. And just yeah, he I didn't think that he could top his performance
in the first one. But he did just like Patrick Wilson did. So he was amazing. But number one,
just because I love his performance as this character. He just brings so much fun and energy
to Aquaman. I got to give to Jason Momoa. He he like Caleb and I pointed out, he made Aquaman
cool. Aquaman was bland and dumb until Jason Momoa was cast as Arthur Curry. And now frickin
everybody loves Aquaman as they should because he has brought he has brought so much to this
character. And I thank him every day for it for it. And I'm and I'm very sad that he will not be
able to play this character anymore. It's it's it's a sad day. But I look forward to the future. It
Wow, I look forward to see what role he'll be playing in James James Gunn's DCU.
I bet you it's gonna be frickin Lobo. That I know that that's like the biggest, like when it comes
to like rumors, that's like the biggest assumption that people are making. And if that's the case,
that'd be really good casting. Yeah, I mean, that's spot on casting. Yeah, because I mean,
if you if you've seen Lobo in anything, like it's it's frickin Jason Momoa. Yeah, it's true. Very
true. But yeah, so that's my top three. And honestly, that's exactly my top three as well.
Oh, shit. Hell yeah. Yeah, it was a really close call with Randall Park, though. Same. He Yeah,
dude, he's what is up with him like killing it in superhero? Excuse me, the superhero genre.
He was amazing in one division. And he was amazing here. Yeah. And the when women find him Jason
pleasing to look at, not just the women, Sam. Yeah, not just the women. Not just the way I
frickin Okay, I just want to point out that Caleb's a straight one here.
And he's the one that's gushing over Momoa more than I am. Yeah. Yeah, there's definitely a
spectrum. And I will not say that I am 100% on the straight side. There are a couple
people that that would make me turn the or at least be open to turning the other way.
If not, if not temporarily. And my wife is fully aware of every single one of the people that would
do that. Oh, I think it's important to be that that confident in your sexual sexuality. I agree.
I think I think there's like 90% of me, I would say is straight. The other 10 could could flip
for the right person. And that's a number I'm happy with. Okay, I like it. That's awesome, dude. I love
it. Anyway, yeah. But yeah, Randall Park frickin knocked it out of the park. And it was so set.
Like, it was such a bummer, too. Because it like, you see his perspective, too. Like, because he's
like, Yeah, I didn't want to attack or I didn't like want to use this weapon. Like, but you got
to understand he would have killed me had I not. Yeah. And then it's it's it's that and then he's
just like, I just wanted people to take me seriously, because I was very much on the team of
like, yeah, Atlantis is real. And yeah, so it is. It was rough. It was sad. I have to keep showing
Stacy the SNL skit Jason was in. He was a cab driver taking call from the doctor on speakerphone.
They tell him he has. I do not remember that skit. I don't either. But that's hilarious.
The adjacent mo mo is a frickin gym. Yeah, he he really is. But yeah, his guy got to say top
performance. But Patrick Wilson as Orm is a is the all these three are tight together. Yeah.
Most definitely. Like super frickin tight. It is it is seriously a coin flip between
Patrick Wilson and and Yaya Abdul Mateen. Like it is really frickin close and I cannot
wait to see him as Wonder Man in the MCU. I just hope that they don't waste his potential.
Dude, I hope so, too, because damn, he's such a good actor. Yeah, like a really good actor.
Really good actor. So, yeah, very. Yeah. Anyway, what's your your acting scores in that?
I am just going to be I think my acting I'm going to
I'm going to be an eighty seven. I am actually right there with you, but I'm putting it
a little bit higher sitting at an eighty nine. OK, I think they were really close to cracking
ninety. The only reason I'm not giving a full like I'm not cracking into the 90s is because
of a lot of the extras. But I mean, the main cast was damn near flawless. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. And I want to state it for the record that the reason we didn't include like Amber
Heard or Nicole Kidman or any of those other people is it are specifically Amber Heard is
not because of the controversy behind her. We just didn't want to include her. They
didn't include her in or there. She didn't have a significant enough role for us to bring her up.
She literally only has 10 minutes of screen time. If that. Yeah.
And then Nicole Kidman didn't become important until like the last half or honestly quarter
of the movie. So. And then everyone else was just super small roles. Yeah.
But yeah. All right. Moving on over to character development.
This is this is a tough one for me because I mean, on one hand, you got Orm, right,
who had like I feel a really significant.
Growth in character.
Versus Jason Momoa's Aquaman, I don't feel had much.
Yeah, I I definitely agree. And I can't really fault the movie for that because I don't really
think that that you don't really need to see Aquaman grow a lot in this movie. I don't
really need to see Aquaman grow a lot in this movie. At least I feel like, you know, he
he's king of Atlantis. You know, we understand why he did it. We know that he doesn't love it.
And honestly, if he actually like finally came up, finally, like said, like, oh, you know, actually,
I disagree with what I said. I truly do love it. And there's no there's no reason why I wouldn't.
I feel that kind of be out of character a little bit.
But like you said, everything with Orm, like, holy shit, his character development was on point
in this movie. Yeah, I will say the the the the thing that I would have liked to see, and I don't
know if it would have worked out. I highly doubt it. But I would have liked to see because you had
you had two of you had three kings there, like in the in this final battle, like the king of the
like that crab kingdom. You had him there and you had Mara's father, who is the king of like some
other sector of the ocean. Right. So you had him, the crab. And then you had Aquaman himself, plus
the queen, like being Mara and the queen mother being Nicole Kidman's character. You had all those
people there. All of them, I feel, could have vouched for Orm. And I think Orm could have been
accepted back into Atlantis. Yeah, you know, you're not wrong. Yeah. And then like I would
have personally had like had him like reintroduced into Atlantean society, maybe acting as the
the basically taking Willem Dafoe's role. Oh, OK. Like as I kind of like the the the advisor.
Yeah, I like that. So how like Willem Dafoe's was like the advisor to Orm.
I would have had Orm be the advisor for Arthur. Oh, yeah, I like that a lot. Yeah. And then maybe
he's the one that's like like that would have been funny to see, like have have them still
doing the meetings and stuff like the council meetings and have Orm be the one that's like
waking Jason or waking Arthur up instead of like Mara just letting him sleep through the the shit.
But I think that would have been a really interesting growth for for Orm as well.
But I mean, that being said, I don't dislike what they've done with him. Yeah.
But yeah, Arthur, you understand where his character has come from and where he's going
in terms of being like a family man. Wanting to become. A better king in Atlantis. Yeah. And.
I don't know, I really liked what they did with with him, but again, it's not great growth. True.
Honestly, this it's it's not great enough where I would say by its by himself,
I would personally be at around like seventy eight. For character development, but throwing in
the growth that he had with Orm. And the bond that they were able to grow together, I am
significantly higher. That's fair. So this is one I'm probably sitting around like an eighty three.
Eighty three. I think I'm going to match it on that one.
All right. Next up, we got effects.
Dude, this blew the flash out of the water.
Yes, yes, it did. It kills me to admit that, but I will definitely agree because I feel compared to
how the underwater scenes looked in the first one. I feel that these actually look better,
especially with the hair. The hair definitely looks a lot better in this one.
Yeah, I mean, it looks significantly better. Dude, the freaking action sequences were holy shit.
Yeah, like, dude, those were made. Dude, that freaking last Trident fight between Aquaman
and Black Manta. Dude, I could freaking watch that shit all day. That was so awesome. Dude, same.
There there is only one piece of CGI that was done in this that I didn't care for,
and I don't know if you would have caught it. It was they had just gotten to like the Lost Kingdom,
right? And it's the the octopus or the squid vehicle thing is like it's like climbing up
the wall. It looks stop motion as hell. I did not pick up on that. I'm going to have to go back.
It looked rough. Yeah, I'm gonna go out to go back and look at that. Yeah, but other than that,
like that was the only thing that stood out to me where I was like, oh, all right. Everything else
looked incredible. Like, dude, that's another thing we're gonna miss. Like the visuals.
Of like Aquaman. Oh, so God. I love that they gave him a freaking seahorse to ride. Dude,
that was so badass. That was awesome. Like, oh, my gosh, dude, he looked so cool. And like,
again, it was one of those things I did not think that they were going to be able to do it. Yeah,
but lo and behold. Yeah, but I mean, I can't think of a single effect that looked bad or stunt work
that looked bad. Yeah, dude, I can't either. I can think of one thing that maybe looked awkward.
But it's still I mean, it didn't look bad. It's when Orm is getting all cocky, like, oh, yeah,
like I'll freaking kick his ass when Manta comes and he's trying to get like Arthur's just like,
yo, like, I'm telling you, he's he's stronger than normal when he has that damn, that damn trident.
And he's like, yeah, whatever. And he like goes to fight and he just gets freaking
cocky. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And he's
like, yeah, whatever. And he like goes to fight and he just gets freaking like clocked. And the
way that he just kind of like goes flat and slides right, like right next to Arthur. I'm like,
not loving that. But it's still funny. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it was the movie is just freaking
beautiful. Yes. And I mean, it looked you're not going to get away from like shit looking rubbery.
That is true. Especially within a film that's as heavily CGI is this. Yes. But it wasn't
distracting. Yeah, that is that is very true. At least not as distracting as the flash was.
Yeah. So I mean, I am I am. I think I've cracked 90s on the effects. Same.
Where are you sitting? I think personally, I'm at a 91. I am a couple points higher. I'm sitting
at a 93. Fair. All right. Next up, we got music. This is an interesting one. It is because, you
know, I'm not used to. Wow, sorry, I'm not used to the DCU kind of like using a song like James
Gunn would at least I feel with his Guardian movies and guardians movies. And I swear there
was another one besides born to be wild that they used for Aquaman. But I can't remember off the
top of my head. And they worked. They really did. That was a huge benefit. They chose music that
worked. Yeah. But it also wasn't like so in your face that it like stood out either. Yes, exactly.
So this is where it's a tough one, because I mean, the soundtrack itself was friggin banging. But
in terms of like how it fit into the movie, I don't think it completely fit. But it's fair. It
fit well. Yeah. So this is a tough one. I think soundtrack alone, like if we're just picking the
music out, I think I'd be around like a nine. OK, like a firmer nine. But I think with how oddly it
fit into the scenes, I'm sitting more around an eight. I can absolutely agree with you there.
I can absolutely agree with you there. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Next up, we got costumes.
This is going to be a fun one to talk about because I loved these costumes. These were so
so like the fact that they could make and I know we saw it in the first one, but the fact that they
made Aquaman's outfit look so friggin cool, like Comic Acura Aquaman costume looks actually cool.
Dude, you want to know what I freaking love about this? They didn't change it. Yes. From the first
one. Yeah, it is. This is what I wanted from the Avengers. I want them to find one suit
that works for all the movies and stick with it. Yeah, that's fair. Like that was the biggest
complaint that I had with Spider-Man. Is that they freaking change his suit every freaking
like movie? Yeah, and with this, I could I could watch them watch this suit in like five movies.
Before I even like considered getting tired of it. So good. Like the suits freaking incredible. I
I do like how they switched the cell suit. Yeah, that made sense. Yeah, but I loved how they didn't
keep him in that. Yeah, which them back. Yeah, he was only in it for the purpose that it served.
Once he broke arm out, he was done with it. Yep. And that couldn't have been done better. Yeah,
like whatsoever. Dude, frickin the upgraded black manta costume, though. Oh, my God, dude.
Beautiful. Just when you think they can't get any better. They go and pull a stunt like this.
They go and pull a stunt like this. This suit was so cool, dude. Yeah, dude, who's so badass.
Dude, and dude, the suit matched with the black trident. Oh, my God. He looked incredible.
Amazing. Dude, when he frickin whipped the black trident out, I'm like, this is the shit.
Do for I know they showed in the trailer, but that scene where he's like walking down the hallway and
he flips it up and the frickin be green beam like goes into it. Frickin chills. I love that scene
so much. It's so badass. Oh, my gosh, dude. When he was in the lighthouse, and like after Arthur's
senior was going through the house and like trying to flip the lights on and everything.
And he shows up in the kitchen. Frickin chill throughout my whole body.
Right. Oh, my God. I was like, you can't get much better than that.
No, you cannot. You really can't.
Pulling the whole lightning shit. I feel like that shit's overdone. It worked with black manta.
Yeah, agreed.
If there was anything that needed to be pulled into the new DCU, it's the black manta suit.
Yes. I cannot imagine a world where they can make the black manta suit work nearly as well as this
suit does. Yeah, seriously, though. It. Oh, my God. It is incredible.
Oh, man. It was so cool, dude. I can't get over his suit.
Like, yeah, it's beautiful. It's gorgeous. Oh, man.
Gosh, I'm trying to think of like any other suits that like stood out. But I mean, those,
I mean, those two, those are the ones that you want to stick out. And they did.
Yep. The only thing that I wish
that they would have done in this is given or his ocean master helmet.
Yeah, I agree, because his suit was kind of boring.
Yeah. I think like what they could have done is like have Arthur knock it off when they were
fighting after he'd been like corrupted, just so you can still get that like those emotional
moments between the two of them. Yeah.
But I think he needed his helmet.
Yeah, that was something that was sorely lacking. Yes, absolutely agreed.
Yeah. I didn't need the full purple suit or anything either. I just wanted the helmet.
Yeah, fair. Because the helmet was like easily one of my favorite parts about the first film.
Yeah, the helmet was so bad ass. Yeah. And it's a bummer that we didn't get more of that damn
or of that damn helmet. Yeah. But still, like, yeah,
I have a hard time not giving this a 10. I mean, if you want to give it a 10,
I will gladly do it. I say let's do it.
All right. I think the costumes are just iconic enough. I mean, these two are great.
Like, don't get me wrong. But even talking like Mara, like her outfit still looked incredible.
Um, Dolph Lundgren's character looked great. Nicole Kidman's character looked great. And what was
great about it is that their suits didn't change. Yep. It was consistent. Yeah. And I love
consistency. Same here. So yeah, big, big fan of the costumes in this one.
All right. Last one we got is personal score.
Who do you want to go first? I want to hear from you first. Okay. All right.
So yeah, I, I truly think that this this follow up to Aquaman is actually better
than the first one. I had a really good time with Fallen, Fallen Kingdom. Wow.
And the Lost Kingdom. Jace Momoa is once again incredible as Aquaman. And it's
incredible as Aquaman. And everyone else is just as good. Amazing supporting cast. And
while it is sad that this is the last DCU movie that is not under James Gunn,
um, I do feel that I am happy that it goes out with this with this movie. Um, so personally,
I think personally I'm going to be an 84.
I am going to be a little bit higher. So I'm sitting at an 88. Okay. And I gotta say like
the the first Aquaman movie was good. This I think was a significant improvement.
And I think it's mainly because they didn't have to get us to the point of him being Aquaman.
Yes. So like they didn't have to do that build up. And like I've like I've said before,
origin movies just don't do it for me like they used to. I like to like be in the middle of the
of the shit with our heroes at who they're supposed to be. And that's what we got with this one. Our
our hero Aquaman was exactly where he needed to be. I'm glad that they didn't go the freaking
cheesy route of him being like a stay at home dad or or anything like that. He was some he was
some he was handling being a superhero exactly how I would where it's like yeah like being a
superhero is cool and all but I'd rather be home with my kid. So I loved how they they addressed
and handled that. The action was awesome. The story was great. The the growth between characters
was good. Like this hit all the marks for me. So yeah so I'm sitting at an 88 with this one.
Hell yeah. All right now going with are going through these scores real quick.
Starting off with story we are sitting at an 84.5. The writing is sitting right in line with that.
Also sitting at an 84.5. The acting had a decent bump sitting at an 88. The character development
took a little bit of a dive and that's mainly due to Aquaman himself. So we're sitting at an 83
with that. The effects were fantastic. So we ended up giving that a 92. The music
though there was iconic songs didn't necessarily always fit with the tone of the film.
So we did end up giving that an 8 out of 10. And then the costumes and this is this could all
honestly be completely attributed to Black Manta.
We'll be given this one a 10 out of 10. And then our personal score averaged out to an 86.
So with that the final Albrows letter grade for Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom has come out to a
B plus. Nice. Super nice.
Yeah I think this is a good a really good placement for this one. I agree. Yeah so like I said sitting
at a B plus this is sitting at an 87.87 percent. Nice. So it is a very strong
B plus because our cut off is 90 percent. Okay. So it's on the higher end of B plus because our
cutoff is oh I guess 86. So it's a it's a point. It's a point that we're going to be able to
do in the final. So we're going to be able to do it in the final. And then we'll be able to do it
at 86. So it's a it's a point. It's got a good cushion is what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
But yeah so sitting at an 87.87. So do you want to hear what this is above first or what it's below?
Let's switch it up from last week. Let's see here what it's above first.
Okay. So this is sitting above Rhea and the last dragon. Yeah I can agree with that.
It is above Dungeons and Dragons honor among thieves.
Okay. It's above Parasite. Oh wow. I know. Damn. The only reason that I would say that this is like
maybe some slight disagreement is because of I think the story for Parasite like far exceeds
Aquaman. Yeah. But yeah Sam I've been wanting to go see this. Maybe I'll go there this week and do
it. Yes. It's a it's a it's a really good one. Yeah. You'll have a good time. Yeah. So let's see.
It's above Parasite. It is above how to train your dragon. The first one. Okay. And it is above the
black phone. Okay. That's not bad. And I'm trying to see where like just for shits and giggles where
the flash was. Just to compare the two. All right. We'll figure that out in a minute. All right. So
all right. So what it's below. This is sitting below Oppenheimer. Okay. Yeah I can agree with
that. It's below air. Okay. It's below the prom. Wow. Yeah right. I know. I bet you music. Music's
probably what. Yeah. It is below the invisible man. Okay. And it is below glass onion. Okay.
All right. Not bad. Yeah. Not bad at all. Yeah. I'm just looking through the.
Still trying to find out where the flash ranked. Yeah. I want to compare this to like the other
like the other DCU movies. Excuse me. Oops. And okay. Funny enough this is actually. So Aquaman
is taking. Oh wait am I missing. I feel like I'm missing a DC movie. Okay. So I'm gonna
be missing a DC movie. So I have both Aquaman's Shazam one and two Suicide Squad Black Adam
and the Flash. Am I missing one. Blue Beetle. That's right.
Okay. So Aquaman is now our highest ranked DCU movie. Oh damn. Okay. And then on the opposite
end it is also Aquaman is our lowest ranked DC. That's hilarious. Oh that's freaking hilarious.
Yes. Yeah. So to rank these in order. So it goes Aquaman. Our Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom.
So it I mean the margins are pretty close here. Like the difference between Aquaman and the
Lost Kingdom and the first Aquaman is 10 percent. Okay. So I mean it's pretty close margins. Yeah.
So the highest I mean the highest ranking is B plus. The lowest ranking is a C plus. Okay.
So yeah going through this list Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom then Black Adam then.
Dude I'm not high. We gave it's eighty six point five. Oh God. What the hell are we thinking.
What do you mean what were we thinking. Like dude you're giving that movie shit unnecessarily.
This is why we do this shit. So accountability.
All right. Okay. My question is have you watched that movie since we reviewed it.
I have and I don't disagree with any of our scores. All right. Okay. I have gone back and
like readdressed. The reason it got so high was because the effects were good and the costumes
were great. Okay. And I think that I think we had a thing for the score as well. Oh okay. Yeah.
Anyway then it's Shazam Fury of the Gods.
I do not like this ranking. Yeah. Then the Flash then Blue Beetle then the Suicide Squad
then Shazam one and then Aquaman. Wow.
How the hell do we rank Shazam to that high and also Blue Beetle that low.
The mark it's the difference between Fury of the Gods and Blue Beetle is two percent.
Shit. Okay. So the margins are freaking tweet.
Can we can we revisit Fury of the Gods because I'd like to give that like a 62 for my personal score.
Bullshit. You're such a liar. Oh man. What did I get my personal score for that.
That's a great question. Let me find out. I swear to God if I gave it in the 80s I don't even know myself.
All right. This is gonna take a minute. Sorry.
We're talking the Flash. No Shazam Fury of the Gods. Oh Fury of the Gods. Okay.
A 75. Okay. I'm okay with that. I can I can agree with me giving it that.
What did you give it. Like an 80 85 I think. You son of a bitch.
That's funny. Dude this is why I love it because it's like our personal score like you can't
necessarily are like individual scores you we can usually still agree with. Yeah.
Yeah. That that's freaking funny as shit dude. I swear we're missing a movie though. Oh didn't we
do the Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League. That's right. We did do. I think after that that's it.
And then did we do Wonder Woman 84 in this format or no. Yes. Okay. But I think after that that's
it. Yeah. Okay. So Suicide Squad both Justice Leagues Wonder Woman 1984 Batman doesn't count.
Wonder Woman 1984 Batman doesn't count. Blue Beetle Black Adam Aquaman Shazam.
The Flash. Oh yep. The Flash. I think that's it. Yeah. I think you're right.
Because I typed in Batman. There's nothing there. What other DC movies are there. We didn't do one.
Yeah we didn't do one for Batman. Superman. We didn't do one for the original Wonder Woman.
Yeah I don't think we did Man of Steel. No. Yeah I think that's it. Okay cool. Cool cool cool.
All right. So here's our official DC ranking then. Okay. So starting off at the bottom
is Joss or Joss Whedon's Justice League. Okay thank God. Then Zack Snyder's Justice League. What the
fuck. Dude Zack Snyder's Justice League was barely better than the barely barely. It was four hours
long. But it was a perfect four hours. It was exactly what Zack Snyder wanted it and it was
great. Oh yeah. Yeah yeah Caleb. I think you're wrong. I think if you tried watching it again
your ass would fall asleep. Bet. Bet. I feel the reason why it's so low is I swear and this is
nothing against the two guests that we had. I swear that they didn't like it as much as we did.
So that's why the score is lower. That's probably it too. That probably had something to do with it.
Yes. So okay. So yeah Zack Snyder's Justice League. Aquaman. Wonder Woman 1984.
Shazam. Wait we ranked 84 higher than Aquaman? Yeah not by much. What is wrong with us? Dude it's
not by much. It is 0.4 percent difference. Okay. Still though. So this could have easily been a
costume situation. All right Touche. Or you know what I bet it was? I bet it was effects.
All right. All right. So yeah Wonder Woman 1984 because those are both C plus movies. Okay.
Snyder's Justice League is a C minus. Jostes League is a C or is a D plus.
Yeah that's that's well deserved. And then so yeah after nine or after 84 it's Shazam.
James Gunn Suicide Squad. Blue Beetle. Flash. Fear of the Gods. Black Adam. Lost Kingdom. Okay.
So we need to throw we need to throw in like Man of Steel. We need to come up with like an official
DC ranking now. We do. Yeah because I don't agree. I have to agree with all of these but I don't at
the same time. Dude the only reason that you don't is because like having to rank them all because I
bet you a lot of these situations where like that we're disagreeing with your personal score is
probably lower than what it's scored. No you're right. Yeah but that's funny as shit though.
Like I almost want to post this.
Like we should. Like once Rose was so pissed off the last 20 minutes of the podcast here you go.
Oh man. Yeah anyway so yeah that wraps up this week's breakdown.
So unless you have anything else to say about this movie. No I got nothing. All right well
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