What is up bros and welcome to the All Bros Podcast, I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
We're a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie
reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Uh, welcome to the All Bros.
Um, so for 4k spotlight and through the wall, we got nothing to talk about.
Um, I don't know if Caleb wants to lead on as to why, or if he just wants
me to continue going with it.
Oh yeah.
I, I guess we can talk about it.
Um, yeah.
So we're recording this one ahead of schedule because I will be making a trip
to Utah and as much fun as recording in my parents' house sounds, I didn't
want to do that.
Fair.
Especially with your debt, especially with your dad.
Oh, I just, I, I don't know.
I haven't talked to your dad in years, but I just kind of have a feeling that
you'd just be like, not like shitting on the all bros, but just being like all
this is, this is dumb.
What you're doing.
Like, I don't know why you still do this.
And where has he changed his ways?
Does he still feel that way?
Well, I don't know.
We've, we, we don't ever talk about the, the, the podcast.
All right, dude.
I have such like, like, I have such a weird relationship in talk with
talking about the podcast.
Like I'll talk about it with you.
I'll talk about it.
I sure hope so.
This thing, I know that's like a door, but like you'll see how this fricking relates.
Okay.
I talk about it with you.
I talk about it with DJ.
I'll talk.
I'll shoot the shit with like Ben, Mikey T.
Like I'll shoot the shit with them about the podcast, like all day long.
Yeah.
No issues about that whatsoever.
The second anybody who doesn't have a podcast comes up and it's like, Oh, I
listen to your podcast.
I'm like, I want to run into traffic.
That's you know what?
That's fair.
Cause like, honestly, cause I don't talk to any other people that do podcasts.
None of my friends do shit like that.
So like, Oh, actually I have like, you know, friends that sometimes listen to us.
I bet.
Oh yeah.
You know, like really, really great episode.
I'm listening to it right now.
And I was like, Oh, thanks for listening.
Like, I feel bad.
Like every single time that Sam's just like, Oh yeah.
You know, I caught last week's episode.
Love, love.
I love listening to you guys.
Like I'm so appreciated, but I don't know what else to say besides, you know, we
appreciate you listening.
Thank you.
I, I don't know.
I don't know.
Sam.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
That's what Sam.
So Sam, I feel like I could shoot the shit with about it a little bit.
No, no.
Like Sam is very easy to talk about the Albers with like he really is, but like
sometimes I'm just like, I don't know what else to like say besides, uh, you know,
Hey, you know, like, thanks for listening.
We really appreciate it.
But at the same time, I, I, I don't know about you, but I hate being in the
spotlight.
So I do too, which is weird that we're doing this.
Yeah.
Right.
So when, um, yeah, when he's like, you know, I'm at work and he's like, Oh yeah.
You know, I love listening to the all bros.
Such a great podcast.
I'm sorry.
I really hope that like none of my coworkers hear this right now, because I
don't want to have to explain what the all process to literally anybody else.
Cause there's only a certain amount of coworkers that know about this.
And it's like actual people that like have actually listened.
Um, you know, stuff like that.
Oh yeah.
Freaking one of my buddies, Ryan slash, um, coworkers, um, he totally disagrees
with your ranking or I guess our ranking for the Phantom Menace.
I think he, he straight up wanted to give it a, um, don't bother.
Well then he can start his own podcast and give it a, don't bother.
It is not a, don't buy.
Is he like an avid star Wars fan?
No, he's not.
Um, but he, he, uh, we were talking about it today and he just said that, um, once
he can't watch it because of jar jar bangs, like freaking young, such a small
part of it though, it just ruins it for him.
Like he loves young Anakin and Darth Maul, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, pod racing, all
of that stuff, but for some reason I, I gotta talk to him more about this.
Cause I really want it.
Like if you just skip over all the jar jar binks parts, like just, just exit
those out, it's at least a stream it like, come on, right, dude, I don't like
the jar jar moments either, but I like I'll freaking skip them if I'm like that
bothered by it, like minus jar jar, the movie's freaking awesome.
It, no, it really is.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Episode one is really, really good.
Um, better than the last Jedi.
Um, but yeah, it was, it was honestly really funny.
I get a text from him, uh, cause he listened to that with, with the
ranking and he sends me the gift of Darth Vader going, no,
Oh, freaking great.
Um, yeah, yeah.
So like there's him and just a couple other coworkers that all actually
like, like they will straight up ask like, Oh, like Ryan will be like, Oh,
hey, what's the movie this week?
And like, sometimes I even feel awkward talking about that.
Cause I'm just like, uh, I do actually, are you actually like going to listen?
Cause I don't know if I want you to, dude, nothing will make me like rethink
or replay in my mind, like our fricking episodes faster than when Brielle sends,
like we'll get a message from someone at church and be like, Oh, that's so and
so listening to your podcast.
I'm like, which one?
Oh, like nothing freaks out more.
Love of God.
Tell me it wasn't an explicit one that they accidentally clicked on.
Dude, I was so worried about that one.
Cause, uh, she, she was telling me that someone from like a friend of hers, like
one of her counselors was said that she listened to a show and I was like, Oh
shit.
And it was like right after we'd like talked about like, like sexual stuff.
And I'm like, Oh, like which one, which one?
And then she's like, I don't know.
And I'm like, ask her.
I need the deets.
Yeah.
And she's like, Oh, she listened to like an older one.
I'm like, which one?
Like we've been potty mouse since day one on this podcast.
Yeah, dude.
And like there's someone in my war who I, I don't think has listened to an episode,
but she, she's asked me a couple of times about the show.
Oh God.
And she's just like, what exactly is a podcast?
And I'm like, I, I can't, I can't get into this.
Conversation with you.
And I know she hasn't listened to the show because like I, I went because like she
keeps talking about it.
Like, Oh, like I'm going to listen to one of these days and like, don't, but she, I
know she hasn't because when I, she was helping someone move and like recruited me.
And so I was helping them move and everything.
And she was like, super careful about avoiding using any like cuss words.
And I'm like, she's like, like she would let one slip, but she'd be like, she'd say
like, Oh, like, damn.
And I'm like, and she's like, Oh, sorry.
I like, I don't mean to like, to cuss like this.
I usually like, I'm such a potty mouth and I'm just like, OK.
I'm like, damn is probably the.
The like the nicest word I'll say in a day, Sam.
Yeah, yeah, like, but yeah, like so anyone outside of the podcasting community, it's
like exception, like very exceptional for you. It is like I can talk about the.
All right. I can't talk about the show with them or just like the ins and outs
because it feels so awkward.
It it does. It really does.
Yeah. But then like anyone within the community,
like I was actually talking to someone about the podcast and then like it was super
awkward, like it felt really weird and like like I was like having like an awkward
moment. And then he brought up that he had one and I was like,
oh, and like all of those feelings just gone, like vanished.
I'm like, so you get it. Yeah.
I feel the person that I'm a little indifferent with is my buddy Michael,
because like he wants to start a podcast.
He has all of the equipment ready for it.
He just hasn't been able to.
So I feel like out of everybody, he's like the easiest to talk to when it comes
to the all bros, because I feel he gets it.
He for the most part, for not for the most part, I feel he does get it.
So if I had to like pick one out of like everybody that I talked to about the all
bros, no offense, no offense, Sam, love you to death.
I feel Michael is the one that's like it's probably the easiest to talk to him
about the albers.
That's fair. Someone who's on that journey.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Talk him into it.
Tell him he'll tell all will invite him.
Deal. OK, deal.
What was I going to say?
He asked I'm trying to get him on for the Five Nights at Freddy's episode,
because he's a huge, huge fan out fan.
Do fingers cross him?
Yeah, let's freaking make that happen.
Are you listening, Michael and Becky, possibly?
Both of them. How the hell did we get off topic this much?
I don't know.
We haven't even like had like the intro to our episode.
That's true. That's true.
Anyway, so yeah, so that's why we don't have any through the wall or for a spotlight.
So we'll be jumping right in to our headliner of the evening,
which will be our breakdown of Avengers, Age of Ultron.
So, Caleb, what do you say we get started?
Say let's do it. All right.
So getting into our breakdown of Avengers, Age of Ultron, Caleb,
would you like to let me know?
I would love to hear from you.
I'm going to be doing a little bit of a breakdown of the Avengers,
Age of Ultron, and then we'll be getting into our breakdown of Avengers,
Age of Ultron.
Caleb, would you like to let everybody know how we break down movies on this podcast?
I would love to.
If you're new to our breakdown system,
we have split movies into eight different categories that we individually score to
come to a final All Bros letter grade.
The eight categories that we score are story, writing, acting,
character development, effects, music, and
costumes, and then we give our own personal score at the very end.
All of these numbers get magically added up and split through our algorithm
and give us a final All Bros letter grade to compare this movie
to others of a similar grade.
This one's going to be a little bit on the different side
because. I don't know, like if if you've heard any of our
like previous rankings, Avengers, Age of Ultron is one that is in our
ranking list.
But we've never done an episode about it.
This was actually one where we were doing like an experimental thing
where we were going to try releasing posts.
Like it basically it was like the recommendation before we like
figured out that we could do videos about it
because we were releasing like the the movie and then the individual scores
and then saying, like, oh, this is what it's.
Well, we gave it or whatever.
So we we we ranked or we
we scored it and everything like all that was was good and wonderful.
But yeah, we've never done like an official episode on it.
So the way that this is going to be different is we already have our scores.
Like we know what this is,
what the letter grade is.
So, yeah, we have we have the scores and so we're just going to like talk about them
because we still got a lot to say.
Oh, yeah. But yeah.
So with that, we can get right into this.
This episode, so hell, yeah.
If you have not seen Avengers, agent Ultron,
you've had plenty of time to do so, but eight years exactly.
Yeah. So we are.
Yeah, if we spoil it for you.
Sucks to be you.
But yeah, Rose is about to spoil the entire thing for you.
In our favorite segment that we like to call reading with Rose.
One of these days I went like I wish that they would give
like an animation feature so I could like have sparkles and delete.
That would be cool. I'm not going to lie.
It's cross one day.
All right.
In the Eastern European country of Socrates,
the Avengers, Tony Stark, Thor.
OK, you know what? I'm just going to call them by their superhero names.
Let's let's rewind this.
OK, in the Eastern European country of Socrates,
the Avengers, Iron Man, Thor, the Hulk, Captain America, Black Widow and Hawkeye
raid a Hydra facility commanded by Baron Wolfgang von Strucker,
who has experimented on humans using the scepter previously wielded by Loki.
They meet two of Strucker's
test subjects, Twins Pietro, who has superhuman superhuman speed,
and Wanda Maximoff, who has telepathic and telekinetic abilities
and apprehend Strucker while Stark retrieves Loki scepter.
Stark and Banner discover an artificial intelligence within the scepter's gem
and secretly decide to use it to complete Stark's Ultron global defense program.
The unexpectedly sentient Ultron,
believing he must eradicate humanity to save Earth,
eliminates Stark's A.I. Jarvis and attacks the Avengers at their headquarters.
Escaping with the scepter, Ultron uses the resources in Strucker's Sokovia base
to upgrade his rudimentary body and build an army of robot drones.
Having killed Strucker, he recruits the Maximoffs,
who hold Stark responsible for their parents' deaths by his company's weapons
and goes to the base of base of arms dealer Ulysses S.
Sorry, just Ulysses Claw,
and Johannesburg to get Vibranium.
The Avengers attack Ultron and the Maximoffs,
but Wanda subdues them with haunting visions, causing Banner to turn into the Hulk
and rampage until Stark stops him with his anti-Hulk armor.
OK, we're going to get I'm going to point this out.
Bullshit.
OK, I'm going to because this like definitely is like adds to the writing score.
The fact that when Wanda is doing this and she's doing this,
Wanda is doing this and they let Hawkeye basically just frickin turn around
and slap an arrow right onto her forehead and just be like,
I've done the whole mind control thing. Not a fan.
I literally just want to stand up, be like, damn right, you have.
You're not doing it again.
You actually have to be frickin Hawkeye in this movie.
That made me so happy, dude.
I was so scared when we first saw this movie.
I was like, God damn it, he's going to get mind controlled again.
But no, they they frickin pulled that and I was so happy.
God, I mean, oh, my God, I love that part so much.
Yeah, that's some good shit right there. Right.
Oh, I loved it.
All right.
A worldwide backlash backlash over the resulting destruction
and the fears Wanda's hallucinations incited send the team into hiding
at Barton's farmhouse.
Thor departs to I guess I since I said the superhero names,
I should say that's Hawkeye for anyone doesn't who doesn't know
that Clint Barton is Hawkeye.
Thor departs to consult with Dr.
Eric Selvick on the apocalyptic future he saw in his hallucination
while Nick Fury arrives and encourages the team to form a plan to stop Ultron.
In so see.
I hope I said that right.
Is a seal. Yeah, it's so so OK.
Ultron uses Loki Scepter to enslave the team's friend,
Helen Show, the user synthetic tissue technology,
vibranium and the scepters gem to craft a new body.
As Ultron uploads himself into the body, Wanda is able to read his mind,
discovering his plan for human extinction.
The the Maximoff's turn against Ultron Rogers, Romanoff and Barton.
You know what? I actually really regret
actually reading off their names as superheroes because this guy
just literally goes by their names throughout the rest.
Damn it. OK, my bad. Sorry, guys.
One of these days, you're just going to have to write your own.
Yeah, seriously.
So what? So for people that don't know, this is going to, you know,
I just want to make sure that people know Iron Man is Tony Stark.
Captain America, Steve Rogers, Thor's Thor, Bruce Banner is the Hulk.
Clint Barton is Hawkeye and Natasha Romanoff is Black Widow.
So when I say those names, there you go.
That's who they are.
Um, we just turned this into learning with Rose to. Uh, OK.
Rogers, Romanoff and Barton fight Ultron and retrieve the synthetic body,
but Ultron captures Romanoff.
The Avengers fight among themselves when Stark and Banner secretly upload
Jarvis, who is still working after hiding from Ultron inside the Internet
into the synthetic body.
Thor returns to help activate the body based on his vision
that the gem on its brow is the mind stone, one of the six infinity stones,
the most powerful objects in existence.
This vision earns their trust by the by being worthy of lifting
Thor's hammer Mjolnir vision and the Maximoff's go with the Avengers
to Sokovia, where Ultron has used their maiden vibranium to build a machine
to lift a large part of the capital city skyward,
intending to crash into the ground to cause global extinction.
Banner rescues Romanoff, who awakens the Hulk for the battle.
The Avengers fight Ultron's army while Fury arrives in a helicopter
with Maria Hill, James Rhodes and shield agents.
God damn it. And shield agents to evacuate civilians.
Peter dies when he shields Barton from gunfire and a vengeful
Wanda abandons her post to destroy Ultron's primary body,
which allows one of his drones to activate the machine.
The city plummets with Stark and Thor overload the machine
and shatter Ultron's primary body, which allows one of his drones.
Wait, God damn it. Five.
Wow. Sorry. Okay. So.
Let's wow. Okay. Let's let's start over. Okay.
All right. Here we go.
Peter dies when he shields Barton from gunfire and a vengeful
Wanda abandons her post to destroy Ultron's primary body,
which allows one of his drones to activate the machine.
The city plummets with Stark and Thor overload the machine
and shattered the land mass in the aftermath.
The Hulk, unwilling to endanger Romanoff by being with her,
departs in a Quinjet while Vision confronts and destroys Ultron's last remaining body.
Later, with the Avengers having established a new base run by Fury,
Hill, Cho and Selvig, Thor returns to Asgard to learn more.
Learn more about the forces he suspects have manipulated recent events.
As Stark leaves and Barton retires, Rogers and Romanoff
prepare to train new Avengers, Rhodes, Vision, Sam, Wilson and Wanda.
In the mid credit scene, Thanos dons a gauntlet
and vows to retrieve the Infinity Stones himself.
I struggle hardcore with that one.
Wow. Yeah.
I mean, we got through it.
That's it. Just makes me sad because like this is the Avengers movie out of the four
I've seen the most times, like I can't even count on many times I've seen age of Ultron.
So that's just I don't know that that makes me sad.
I feel I feel I feel defeated.
So there's one point that.
Well, getting into this, like starting off first, like we usually do.
Yeah, we're going to start off with with story, which,
like I said, we've already put in our scores for this.
So we have actually ended up we ended up giving the story for Age of Ultron in 80,
which I think is pretty on track with this last rewatch.
No, I can agree.
I watched this about a week ago again, and I feel the biggest problem this movie has
is they threw so much at Joss Sweden that he needed to set up for future movies
that I feel that he definitely just wanted to tell another Avengers movie where it's
just the six Avengers, you know, working together, saving saving the day.
That's why. And of course, I know he wanted the Max Moffs in there as well and work that in.
But, you know, just having, you know, to talk about, you know, the the the the the the
talk about, you know, the the Mind Stone, bringing up the all of the Infinity Stones.
I feel that there's definitely clearly some plot points that like Kevin Feige was probably like,
OK, we need these. This needs to be explained in the movie.
So the the next because this way Ant-Man capped off phase two, right?
Yes. OK, so I'm and I feel Ant-Man didn't really have a huge of
didn't really set that much up for phase three, but I feel Age of Ultron had to.
So I I feel that this this sequel, it's it has so much to do that, unfortunately,
it kind of bites off a little more than it can chew, which is unfortunate because
like the I love the first Avengers so much.
So like, don't get me wrong, I really enjoy the sequel, like freaking like to death because of
Hawkeye actually gets a freaking backstory in this movie and just I was so happy with
everything that they did with Hawkeye in this movie. But it just felt I don't know what this
movie it felt like there was too much to accomplish. And unfortunately, some things
some things had to suffer because of that. It absolutely did.
Honestly, I don't think. That Ultron should have been a one off like he ended up being.
Absolutely agree. This was supposed to be like the biggest issue I had with this story
is like with the title where it's the age of Ultron, the age of Ultron ended up last in like
a solid weekend, maybe straight up. And we should just call that Avengers Weekend at Ultron's. Yeah.
That's what we should have called. That's exactly what it should have been called.
Should have been called Ultron, I think should have been. I don't even know how they
how they would have handled. Age of Ultron, this this is probably one where I would have
been OK if they split Age of Ultron into two parts.
Yes, absolutely. So that I do have a question for you. So, yeah, if we're wanting, you know,
Ultron to have a way bigger presence, you know, not just be a one off villain. Would you have
saved Thanos for later or would you have still continued
with how they set him up in phase three leading into Infinity War and Endgame?
OK, like I please note what I'm about to say has not been fully like fleshed out. This is just like
off the top of my head. All right. So the way that I would have handled this
is at least in terms of like how the movies go.
Or how I would have altered the movies a little bit. I would have turned
Iron Man. I would have turned Iron Man three into the introduction of Ultron.
As as a as the suit of our suit of armor around the world situation. OK. All right. I like that.
So that's so that's how I would have introduced, because at the end of Iron Man three,
because like I don't even remember what we get at the end of like Iron Man three in terms of like the
in credit. But this is what I would have done. I would have had Iron Man three like most of phase
one and I would have had play out exactly the same. So Iron Man two Avengers like exactly the same.
Was Dr. Strange after? Hold on. I need to look up our list real quick.
OK. So Iron Man up until. Yeah, Iron Man two Avengers. Same Thor.
I don't have this in order. All right. Hold on.
Yes. So sorry. So the post credit scene. So it looks like there was not a.
It looks like there was just one in credit scene for Iron Man and literally was just that where
he's fricking talking the banner and it's like a therapy session. That's right.
OK. So now I OK, I have this list up now. So phase one was Iron Man Hulk, Iron Man two Thor
Captain America Avengers. Keep it the same. OK. Nothing wrong with that.
Iron Man three. I would have turned into the introduction to the Iron Man three
and I would have turned into the introduction of Ultron at the end of the movie.
So like I still have that play out the same where he's taking on the the the Mandarin
and he blows up all his suits. And once he blows up all his suits, that gives him the idea to create
the suit of armor around the world and creates the AI Ultron.
And then then you could tell you could still tie in Hulk cameo where like show him and
Banner working on a new AI calling it like Project Ultron. Thor the Dark World.
Just erase it. OK, I would love to, but I can't.
Thor the Dark World, I would have finished off with an Ultron cameo.
OK, so have the multiple suits or multiple like centuries of.
Of. Ultrons like I would I'd have a like look like Iron Man's about to come out.
Iron Man's about to come in, but then it's like, boom, like landing on the floor.
Boom, boom, boom, boom. And like have a bunch of things like land on the on the ground in London
helping clean up. OK, and then that that's also Ultron Winter Soldier.
I would have kept the same Guardians. I would have kept the same.
Then Age of Ultron, I would have split into two different movies.
So the first movie I would have like just kind of tying in like Age of Ultron a little bit.
I would have kept it the same where Ultron gets like infected with the the Mind Stone
and becomes sentient. And then that's when he he turns against.
Like the Avengers. But yeah, I would have had like.
I would have had his army already kind of spread out all around the world.
And where at the end of Age of Ultron, there's still like the Avengers are in a situation
where they're unable to.
Where it's where the world's kind of become a police state by like under Ultron's command.
And he's still like working up towards like the the like a body.
So at the so yeah, at the end of like the age of Ultron, part one, it would have been
like the world is just in complete and utter chaos because it's like the
world is just in complete chaos because there's like conflict within the Avengers
because of what Tony and Bruce did.
In creating Ultron, so there's kind of like a little rift and they try to like they kind
of go off on their own little adventures.
So like Thor goes off to like because he he's like sensing like or whatever the hell was
he sensing like the the mind stone and everything like within Loki's scepter.
OK, and like he goes on his his journey.
You could expand on it a bit more.
Cap goes with Widow and Hawkeye to his compound like and then.
Like Banner and Tony.
Are kind of off doing their thing, so it's like.
So it'd be like an introduction to sentient Ultron.
And then you get the.
Like under police state, like under like the whole world is just kind of under Ultron's
thumb.
And then part two would be him like pushing for this perfect body creating.
Vision.
And then obviously, like big battle, he gets defeated.
But I think the like age of Ultron needed to be longer than a frigging weekend.
Like it needed to be.
I would have had this split over like.
Timeline wise, maybe a frickin a year.
Yeah, maybe a year is a little long.
I don't know, man.
Less than less than a year, more than six months.
All right. OK. Yeah.
And then like.
And then like so the way that that that that would conclude is like, yeah, big battle
Sokovia fall like I would have kept most of that stuff.
Same thing with like the twins.
I would have had them not turn like I would have had them be part of Ultron's plan at
the end part one and then.
Defeated are then switched to.
Switch sides in part two.
And then they helped defeat Ultron.
Yeah.
And then that I think would have led much better into.
You know what? Now that I'm looking at this, I'd probably bump Ant-Man before age of Ultron
and then I'd have the age of Ultron part one and then part two.
I always found it weird that they finished phase two off with Ant-Man because they finished
phase one off with the Avengers, so shouldn't I know I've always felt that the Avengers
movie should be the cap off to a.
You would think it's like the same with phase three.
They freaking finished it with far from home like that should have been the beginning of
phase four.
Yeah.
No, seriously, yeah.
Yeah, sure.
What I say, I would have been.
Yeah, so I would bump Ant-Man to face or before age of Ultron and then have part one, part
two.
Yeah, then I would have the conclusion of that lead into Captain America Civil War.
I like that because think about that, like the world should have been the end of the
world.
Oh, I like that because think about that, like the world just gets out from under the
thumb of Ultron, right?
Like basically being a world superpower created by Iron Man and the Hulk, like, yeah,
Civil War makes a shit ton more sense.
Yeah.
Like instead of like, oh, like Ultron tried to drop this big ass rock on the planet and
you guys stopped it, but it was like your creation, like I think the world needed to
be a little bit more pissed off at Iron Man.
Fair.
Like in my like Iron Man's like looked upon in like this whole system a lot less favorably.
OK.
And then, yeah, Civil War, I would have kept the same Dr. Strange volume two homecoming
Ragnarok.
I would have kept all that shit.
So, yeah, that's what I would have how I would have adjusted phase phase two.
I actually really like that.
That's yeah, I I got to agree, honestly.
Yeah, I would have made.
Yeah.
Ultron would have been a much bigger player in in this in these movies.
Yeah, because it just sucks that you get such a cool villain like
Ultron and you only get him for one movie.
Yeah.
But I don't think it like.
I think like how this should like how it should end or how it should have ended, because like
I know that you kind of pulled this off with Infinity War where the Avengers lost, right?
In this situation, I don't necessarily think it's that they lost.
It's that they've just kind of all gone their own way.
Or they're all they're split up.
OK.
And so that's why.
Age of Ultron, it like or that's why Ultron's able to take over.
It like become the frigging police state ruler.
Yeah.
Because the Avengers separate.
Yeah, makes sense.
It's like like I think Banner and Tony, like honestly, like you could probably even like
I would have gotten rid of the the frickin.
Romance between Banner and Widow completely.
Yeah, that just feels so out of place.
Yeah.
So there's a yeah, there's definitely some rewrites and who knows, possibly a whole like
Avengers like a phase two rework.
Like Dreamcast in the future, like.
Let us know.
Let us know if you'd like to me to flesh this out a bit more, but
that's that's how I say.
Yeah, this is like I said, this is just off the top of my head like.
There's some good shit, though.
I'm loving what I'm hearing.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think that's what would have.
Happened in my age of Ultron, it would have been a separation like there.
I don't think there would have been a final battle.
I think well.
How do you pull that off, though?
Like the only reason I have an issue with making it like a final battle that they lose
is because they I'm trying to like keep that the shock and stuff.
I think that's the only reason I'm not going to keep that.
Does the shock and surprise is of.
Infinity War.
Like to still be relevant and not them be like.
In this like situ metaphorical situation, they'd be like, oh, well, they just copy
what they did in part one of age of Ultron.
Like I still want that surprise that they lost, so I don't think it'd be like a full
battle, I think it'd kind of be a coming to blows situation more than anything.
And then it should like show like the Avengers off on their own thing where maybe
it becomes like an espionage thing with.
Widow Hawkeye and Cap.
Banner and Iron Man are trying to.
Come up with some sort of fail safe or like come up with some sort of programming to kill
Ultron and then Thor's off on his.
Journey of self are of like.
Discovery with the Infinity Stones.
OK, yeah, I like that.
I actually like that a lot.
Yeah, and it's like because they're separated that they're that they're able to like.
Have big problems like this, like I think what I would have done.
Is.
Like just to kind of help like sell that Hulk is wanting to like run away to a
different planet, because like I still keep like the like phase three intact, right?
Yeah.
Is I'd have.
Part of like.
Man, that's a lot of work.
Oh, man, like this just kind of silence Thor, like a ton like my idea, but.
They have like the conclusion be where.
Iron Man finds out that Ultron's gathering a shit ton of vibranium.
Him and or he takes Banner to.
Uh.
Wherever the hell that they were, they weren't like.
In it somewhere in Africa, right?
Uh, yeah, have them have them try to like figure out why he's collecting all this stuff
and then pull the whole.
Black Widow shit or the Scarlet Witch thing again.
And have Hulk go on a complete not a rampage.
Iron Man's dealing with the like trying to deal with that.
I would have the frickin Hulk shit go on for like a while.
Like a long frickin while.
All right.
Um, and then.
The stuff with like cap and widow like going to Barton's place and.
Kind of gunk formulating a game plan and.
Attempting to go and execute it, but then getting like stopped by.
By ult like basically getting like captured or like withheld by by Ultron.
All right.
Um.
Yeah, like I said, if you want me, if if anyone wants me to flesh this out a bit more,
I'd be happy to.
But.
Again, this is just top top of my head stuff.
I said, I love this, so.
Yeah, honestly, I'd I'd finish most of the phases off like at least now I'd finish most
phases off with two movies.
Fair.
Yeah, that that that's absolutely fair.
Yeah.
Like I think after that, like the first Avengers, it's like, boom, you got your origin story
for the Avengers.
That can be one story.
Yeah.
And then it's just like.
Each phase should be a lead up to one big bad one baddie.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like age of or phase one was just gathering the Avengers phase two taking on Ultron.
Phase two taking on Ultron.
But and then phase three, you're.
Leading up to Thanos finally, because you you.
Clued him in in the first Avengers.
And then here, like in this phase, like that we're in now, like they
need to set up a big a big bad.
We don't know who the hell that is.
Or actually, that's not true.
I was kind.
Yeah.
Yeah, like right now you have the buildup of to King.
And just like we need.
First off, like it was a real slow build, but.
True.
We got there like I would have started off like almost immediately.
Yeah.
So yeah, this man, I wish I could frickin just get in a room and like.
Pitch some of this shit, but.
Anyway, get back to what we were talking about.
With what we got in this movie, not what we wish we got with this movie.
The story was.
It felt rushed and like slapped together.
I I absolutely agree.
I think like now it's like come back to me.
I swear that I saw in an interview, maybe it wasn't an interview, but.
I just saw somewhere that Joss Sweden Lake.
Basically, Kevin Feige said, hey, I need you to have these two things in there.
And you might have to take away some of what you wanted to do in this movie.
And he's like, okay, I can, you know, I think I can make that work, but I only.
Have two things that I refuse to get rid of.
And it was that it was actually Bart Clint Barton's farmhouse.
He did not want to take away the storyline that Hawkeye gets.
Fair.
And I believe he didn't want to take away.
I think it was anything when it came to Wando and want Wando.
She's Wanda and P.H.
Also fair.
Yeah.
So those were his like two big things like, okay, I will do my best to work or I will.
Make work what you want me to, but I will not let those two storylines.
Be taken out of Avengers two, which I yeah, I of course appreciate because the fact that
Hawkeye actually gets a storyline in this movie instead of getting fricking just mind
controlled for the whole movie, put a fricking smile on my face.
My my favorite superhero actually got to be himself that that made me so fricking happy.
I mean, with us sitting in an 80 with story.
Like this is just like slightly above average because like our average is seventy five.
Yeah, that's usually like our base point and then we build up from there.
So this is like just slightly above average in terms of storytelling.
And because the villain wasn't very fleshed out.
The.
There was a lot of like weird shit like with like what we were talking about, the romance
between Widow and Hulk that was just funky.
Yeah.
Like felt very much out of place.
Especially since canonically that like this is the same Hulk that's
that was in The Incredible Hulk that's very much in love with Betty.
Yeah, that's true.
That is very true.
So I I had a lot of issues with this story overall, like that's more than it's saved.
And I can justify it to be like.
I can I can push it higher in my brain because I'm like, man, it would have been cool.
They did this.
And then I think about it more favorably.
But then I like was with the rewatch.
I'm just like, oh, yeah, they didn't do this.
They didn't do that.
The cool thing is, I think it's like, oh, yeah, they did this.
And the coolest part for me in this was the Hulk fight.
Hulk versus Hulk Buster.
That's fair.
Oh, dude, that scene is still so, so great.
Yeah.
Bullshit how it ended, but.
Fair.
But I mean, dude, come on, Hulk got some great punches in there.
Yeah.
So yeah, I'm I'm still fairly happy with the 80.
I am, too.
Definitely.
All right, moving on over to writing.
This was the same ballpark.
Sitting at an 80, like it wasn't any better or wasn't any worse.
It was it was average writing.
I think.
Because for me, it's one of my favorite lines.
But like for anyone that doesn't really know the comics, they wouldn't understand.
I at least I feel they're just like, what the hell is that?
I mean, there is a scene at the beginning after the whole thing.
After the whole fight with Strucker, because during that fight Hawkeye is hit and they
have to, you know, perform aid to him.
And so as he's getting healed at the Avengers compound, Banner asks Stark, oh, how's he
doing?
And Stark just straight up said, well, he's still Barton.
And Banner said, well, that's terrible.
And I feel for people that don't know how much of a smart ass and honestly, a jackass
Clint Barton is in the comics like he he's kind of a fucking asshole.
Like, but it's.
So he is.
But I love him for there.
There's a reason why he's like that's one of the biggest reasons why he's my favorite.
But unfortunately, up until, unfortunately, Renner didn't wasn't able to portray that
until Age of Ultron, because he literally barely got to show that at all in the Avengers.
So when they have that whole interaction, I'm assuming that a lot of audience members
were just like, wait, when you say like, oh, he's unfortunately still Barton, what the
hell does that mean?
Yeah.
So, dude, I.
I would love to see like that more of that side of Clint Barton and like just like that
comic accurate side, because he is like he's.
People always like talk about like the people like Captain America being like the person
that's going to get shit done.
But.
If anyone's like that, it's frickin Hawkeye, like he's the one that like before the like
to kick off the immortal Hulk storyline.
Banner actually developed a.
Basically a projectile that would kill him if the Hulk were to like get out of control.
Or if like the threat of the whole quarter, get out of control.
He gave this arrow to Clint Barton.
And told him like if.
Like using your best judgment, like if you ever feel like me or the Hulk are going to
like get out of control, like use it.
And he went and he's like, OK, why the hell did you come to me with this?
And he's like, because I know like out of anyone else in the Avengers, you're the only
one who will.
And there was like a big old frickin like.
Hulk had been on or Banner had been on the run for like a while.
So like he he gave this to him like.
Comic book like years prior and he.
So he's been holding on to this projectile for like ever.
And there was a situation that Banner was just like he was on the run from like everyone
and they found out where he was.
And so all the Avengers went to this this place didn't like.
Confronted him.
And he was talking about.
This.
He was kind of like kind of he was kind of going insane because Hulk had just become
a bit more powerful than he was.
Had just become a bit more powerful within his consciousness.
And so he was kind of going insane and doing these experiments that were just completely
reckless and.
Talking about like.
Doing more gamma experimentation, which.
He had like everyone's like, well, don't you think that this is going to make Hulk more
powerful?
And they're like, and he's like, oh, no, blah, blah, blah.
Like, while he's talking, the frickin.
Projectile comes out of a tree like right through his his head.
And everyone's just like, what the fuck?
And yeah, and then they go and like arrest Hawkeye and everything for murder.
And they're just like he was out of control.
And then like obviously that leads into the immortal Hulk.
So Hulk comes back to life and everything.
And there's a situation where Hulk and.
Hawkeye are like alone together and he almost frickin.
Full of a lot Hawkeye up.
Oh, he's like, yo, like you, you told me to do this, but are like banner told him to do
it, but yeah.
That's always that one thing I've been disappointed with with the MCU, the Hawkeye and the Hulk
really haven't been able they really haven't had a lot of interaction with each other.
Yeah.
But yeah, like it was it was something that they they had talked about in like in comics for like
a while.
Like there was actually a funny enough a Deadpool comic where all the Avengers were getting
together for Christmas.
And Deadpool was like crashing the party and brought sweaters for everyone.
And he gave Hawkeye a sweater that's like I killed the Hulk.
And all I got was this stupid sweater.
And they're just like out.
Oh, that's so man.
Oh, that's so good.
Frickin hilarious.
But yeah, that's something that's funny.
That's something else that I think Marvel's neglecting.
Like they're building up to these team are like these big team ups, big Avengers movies.
I feel like they're neglecting team ups.
Yeah, absolutely agree.
Like how cool would it have been to get like an Iron Man Captain America movie?
Oh, I would have frickin loved like just those two.
Yeah.
Just like I want my frickin Budapest movie.
Yeah.
Or like other like non-conventional ones like how like I don't know.
Frickin like Hawkeye and Thor.
That'd be a frickin cool one, too.
That would be actually.
Yeah.
Shit, man.
Yeah.
Or even like you like it's like I don't need these big like are the big team ups are cool.
Yeah, there's just something about like.
Buddies.
No, I agree.
I definitely agree.
So, yeah, I.
Anyway, frickin do sidetracked again.
That was like all my fault.
I mean, yeah, but I mean that I feel that that's really not being sidetracked.
We're talking about Marvel.
We're still talking about the Avengers.
So.
Yeah, it's just like with this movie.
Like with this movie in particular, it's just I think this would have thrived more.
With.
Better build up to things.
I agree.
Or just not necessarily focusing too hard on these like collaborative things like, hey, oh,
like we need to introduce Wakanda, which is something that they did in this.
They need to establish that Ulysses Klaustole Vibranium.
They needed to establish that.
Honestly, one thing that I don't think they ever frickin touched on was Helen Cho.
Yeah, that's true.
Who is the doctor that healed up Hawkeye and did she die?
Yes, she does.
OK.
Yeah, when she betrays Ultron, yeah, he kills her.
Yeah, so it's like they completely ignored that.
Like Helen Cho, because Helen Cho is the mother to Amadeus Cho, who is.
Another Hulk.
So it's like.
Like all these build ups, but it's just.
I don't know.
It was it was again, it was on the same level.
It was on the same level as the the writing here.
No, that's fair.
I do have a question, though, in your opinion, like because I'm
because I mean, shocker, I actually really like the direction that they took
with Hawkeye, how, you know, like he has a family and everything.
You know, he asked Fury to keep it off Shields files.
And so, you know, you really get to know who Clint Barton is as a person.
But are you glad that they went with that direction?
Or do you wish that they would have gone with like the comic versions
where he you know, he's definitely just like a solo guy does his own thing,
doesn't have a family weighing him down.
Or do you like that they took the direction that they did for his character in the MCU?
I appreciated it.
No, I did, too.
I feel as the as like other entries came out, they definitely it definitely.
So now they did.
I mean, I mean, I feel it was definitely brought up more so again in Hawkeye,
but that makes sense.
Yeah. The Hawkeye series, I feel covered it perfectly.
Yes, I agree.
Yeah, no, I'm just I just wanted your opinion.
If you if you if you liked the from here and here here here on out,
if you liked the direction that they took with the character of Hawkeye.
Yeah, I like the the family man aspect to it.
I thought it worked really well for for his character.
And the fact that his kids consider Natasha Auntie Nat, that's just freaking adorable.
Just shows us how it was literally a brother sister relationship. Yeah.
So like we said, writing sitting in an 80.
And I think we're both pretty comfortable with that score still.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
All right. Moving on over to acting.
We were a little bit higher on and by a little bit, I mean a lot of bit.
Yeah. So going through this cast real quick, we have Robert Downey Jr.
who plays Iron Man or Tony Stark, Iron Man.
We have Chris Evans who plays Steve Rogers slash Captain America.
We have Chris Hemsworth who plays Thor Odinson.
We have Scarlett Johansson who plays Natasha Romanoff slash Black Widow.
We have Jeremy Renner who plays Clint Barton slash Hawkeye.
Mark Ruffalo who plays Bruce Banner slash the Hulk.
Elizabeth Olsen who played Wanda Maximoff slash the Scarlet Witch.
Aaron Taylor Johnson who plays Pietro Maximoff or Quicksilver.
We have James Spader who who provides the voice for Ultron.
Kobe Smulders who plays Mariah Hill.
And then Samuel L. Jackson who plays Nick Fury.
And then I think we had one more.
Yep. We had Paul Bettany who provided the voice for Jarvis and also played Vision.
Hell yeah. Like I said, pretty stacked cast.
Super stacked. Like especially now, like, yeah, just as time's gone on, like it's only gotten like
bigger. Yeah, like I remember when we went and saw this together, like how we were just like, OK,
can they really get bigger than this when it comes to how many people are associated with the team?
And lo and behold, Avengers three and four happened.
I want your opinion, though, because I was talking to Christina about this.
So in in quantum media, in quantum mania, Scott says that, you know, oh, you know, I'm an I'm an
I'm an I'm an Avenger now, all that stuff. And I know that Spider-Man gets knighted as an Avenger
by by Tony. But I don't know, maybe it's just me. But like after the original six, it for how many
people were brought on as Avengers and like it didn't really it wasn't like a huge process.
Like it felt like I guess it should have been or at least to me, I and like now I'm thinking
towards the comics, so maybe I'm wrong here. But it felt like when someone became an Avenger,
it didn't mean as much as it did when these original six guys did.
At least when it came to the MCU. Well, you also got to think like the original six,
they like created the Avengers within obviously this the MCU.
So it was kind of a big deal. And then Wanda became an Avenger in Age of Ultron because she
decided to go out and fight with them. Like night, I guess. I don't think like Avenger,
like it wasn't like a membership thing. Like it wasn't like, oh, I think that Tony Stark just
turned it into like, oh, we're the Avengers. Like it's a freaking like a like a freaking band.
It's just like we can invite whoever the hell we want to be part of this.
It wasn't official or anything because otherwise it would have been some sort of
like official group. Like at least in terms of like the government or
shield or whatever. But it was just a directive. Nick Fury wrote up is just like, hey, we we're
going to need these people on hand. Like we need to keep track of these people. So just in case
we need them all to gather like they're there. Yeah. According to a couple articles I've seen
as of right now, the Avengers are disbanded. Like there are no Avengers right now. And that's why
the Thunderbolts are going to come in and like take the Avengers place because there are no
Avengers right now. All right. That makes sense. Damn, I don't like to think of an MCU without
the Avengers. Yeah, that makes me kind of sad. But yeah, so yeah, we were sitting in 90 with this
with this acting score, and it's because of how like at least now, like just we've had more time
with them. So we just see how consistent their portrayal has been. Yeah, absolutely. So who's
who is your your top three for this film? See number three.
Let's see number three. What I give number three. Sorry, I don't really get a good.
You know what? Number three. Number three. God damn it. I'm sorry.
Press the button. Oh, my freaking God, my laptop is being stupid.
OK, number three, I'm going to give to James Spader, who did Ultron. I know this was just
voice work, but actually, we know he did a motion capture for Ultron. So yeah, he did a little bit
of it. Yeah, absolutely. Freaking phenomenal. I still stand even eight years later by the fact
that I want James Spader to narrate my life. Oh, man, dude, if they're like I I've attempted to
watch that show that he's on the blacklist. Just because like I love his voice, but it's like one
of those shows I just can't get into. That's fair. No, dude, I understand. His voice is so
captivating is Ultron. It's so intimidating. Like you just can't help but be in awe for like
the way that he's talking and like honestly his plans, you know, to just destroy humanity.
Just destroy humanity and everything. Maybe it's just because his voice, but I'm just like, you
know what? Maybe you got a point there, man. Maybe I can get behind this. He James Spader
thrives on dialogues. Dude, he does. Like, oh, my God, it's incredible. So yeah, so he's actually
my number two. Hell yeah. No, great, great. Freaking choice. Great, great. Freaking choice.
Sorry. Number two, I think I'm going to give to Robert Downey Jr.
Honestly, he is always amazing as Tony Stark and in this movie, especially the emotions that he
has to go through with him believing that he's the reason why that the Avengers would be disbanded,
why everyone dies around him, just all the effects that he goes through.
Just throughout the movie, just how he wants the Avengers to stay a team. It's freaking,
it's honestly insane, but amazing acting. Absolutely from Robert Downey Jr. once again,
kills it in this role. But number one, by shocker to no one, I got to give it to, I got to give it
to Jeremy. I got to give it to my boy, Clint Barton, because in the first one, he was just a
mind controlled zombie. Like, yeah, at the final fight, yes, he got to throw in some couple clips,
but not really that much in this freaking movie. He actually gets a freaking backstory where he
actually has, he actually has a family. He owns his own land. You know, we even get deeper into,
you know, how he was brought into SHIELD, you know, his relationship, not really as much of
his relationship with Nat. But I still feel like once we get to his house, you could definitely
tell how close the family is with Natasha, because you can't, you know, you hear his kids call her
Auntie Nat. His wife even talks about her a lot. Laura does. You see everything that they did with
Clint, I love so much. And just I love, I love Jeremy Renner in this role. He is the reason why
Hawkeye is my favorite. If it weren't for him, I probably wouldn't really even know who Hawkeye was
since the first Thor. After I saw his appearance there, I started actually diving into who Hawkeye
was, reading comics, trying to understand who Clint Barton was, because I got a glimpse of him
and I wanted to know more. And I've always just thought the guy with a bow and arrow that has no
superpowers, that just seems really cool as hell to me. So it's thanks to Jeremy Renner that Hawkeye
is my favorite. And just, yeah, he blew it out of the water this time next to the series Hawkeye,
just because he actually gets so much to do in there. This is, I feel his best performance
as the character, just because they say he actually gets to play Clint Barton. He actually gets to be
the sarcastic asshole that he is. And I absolutely freaking love it. So yeah, Jeremy Renner,
absolutely number one. Fair enough. Damn, dude, I was giving this some like genuine thought,
like while you were talking, I am actually going to like restructure. I'm changing my
my answer a little bit. OK, I'm going to give my number one to James Spader.
I like it. Loved Ultron. I loved how like Shakespearean he was.
And all that good shit. And like I said, I wish it was like we were talking about earlier,
I wish it was something that was a little bit more developed. I would have loved to see more of this,
like, especially from a. Just like a longer formatted.
Place, I guess. I don't know. I I I don't know.
I lost my words there, but yeah, so I'm given James Spader. I think he did a fantastic job,
made Ultron stand out a lot more than he would have otherwise, like voice by literally anyone else.
Yeah. Like James Spader's voice just worked incredibly well for for this character.
So I'm given him my number one, my number two, my number three, my number four, my number five,
two. I am going to be given to Jeremy Renner.
Holy shit. I know. I know. It surprised me, too.
With this like latest rewatch, I. Enjoyed his performance
more than any of the other Avengers. Hell, yeah. Yeah, like I thought he was he was witty,
like charming is all as all hell. I like that he. I like that they showed off like his fun side
a little bit where he was still like. Going to.
Like lifting Thor's hammer or attempting to like, I thought that that was really fun
because I I didn't really think like before that he would be the type of person that would do that.
Like I think he would he would have been till on like Nat's side and be like,
oh, well, whatever, like, who cares if I can lift this hammer?
But like, I love that he like.
Was able to joke around with with them, but then he also gave a really.
A really good performance when he was talking to Wanda.
And the whole like you walk out those doors, you're an Avenger.
Like that whole discussion was fantastic.
And like super inspirational, too, like they freaking like got me worked up and just like,
yes, like, let's frickin do this.
Oh, yes, I love it.
Yeah, my struggles come with number three, because it's like instinctually, I want to say Robert Downey.
But.
I like I'm trying to think like it's just because Robert Downey got more screen time than everyone else.
That's fair. Honestly, I feel like.
You know, honestly, if it's all right with you, I'll wait till after you're done with your ranking.
Yeah, I do want to actually change mine.
While you're your top three?
No, just I want to I if it's right with you, I'm going to I'm going to be the top three.
I'm going to I actually want to bump Robert Downey to three and I'm going to bump James
Spader up to two.
OK, yeah, because listening to you, I'm just like, yeah, you know what?
You got a point. So yeah, Spader gets number two.
Yeah, it's it's hard because it's like no one else got as much time to shine as frickin Robert Downey did.
It's true.
And not to say that I don't like Robert Downey's performance of Iron Man, I love
that he plays like his performance as Iron Man.
It's just in an Avengers movie, you need to focus on all of the Avengers, give them equal treatment.
Obviously, like somewhat like there's always going to be like a major focus of one.
But I feel like the the screen time in Age of Ultron is just so skewed.
No, it really is. I mean, honestly, out of the original six, I feel like the one that gets the short end of the stick the most is Thor.
Yes, Thor got frickin all types of screwed like Thor gets like jack shit to do here.
I mean, yeah, he goes on that like little adventure to, you know, get really, truly see his vision and, you know, the Infinity Stones and everything.
But like, as far as I feel like actually like growing as a character and everything like that.
Yeah, like up until Ragnarok, you could definitely tell that they were at a standstill when it came to Thor.
They didn't know where to take him.
Yeah, I'm going to look up real quick what the screen time was for everyone.
All right. So, yeah.
No surprise anywhere. Tony Stark's coming in with 29 minutes, just under half an hour total screen time.
Followed by Steve Rogers.
Then Black Widow, then Ultron, then Hulk, Barton, Thor, Wanda, Pietro.
Hulk gets five minutes.
Damn, I'm sure you I'm sure that kills you.
A little bit. Let's see. And then vision like five minutes.
Yeah, so not not a lot.
No.
Like not a lot of screen time going around here. But yeah, it's just.
It's hard to judge anyone else's performance because they were so overpowered by Robert Downey's.
It's true. I mean, honestly, and I know you don't love like the whole romantic relationship.
I don't either. But and I think the way that we've talked, it feels like.
I don't know. Do you like Mark Ruffalo's?
Bruce Banner, like, are you a fan of it or no?
I don't mind his banner. I don't like what they've done to his Hulk.
That's fair, because like, honestly, if I'm because, dude, I just keep restructuring my freaking top three and you haven't even freaking finished yours.
Like literally, I'm sorry, as we keep talking, I'm like, I really just want to kick down off the list because like if I'm thinking of other characters that I'm just like, you know what?
I remember having more, you know, an interest in, you know, like in that character where they took that character.
So like if like if I'm like, well, this isn't necessarily like the character, it's just who.
Who gave the best acting?
No, that's fair. And like, I think I have to give this to Robert Downey because one, he kills it and it's just his performance is the one that stands out the most.
That's fair. I mean, if I had to think Renner. Yeah.
I feel like one that like, honestly, I feel like Ruffalo still kind of stands out to me because like in this one, you can definitely tell he's still trying to fight.
You know, having two persons identities in him.
That's why I kind of hated the way that they took the Hulk in Ragnarok that I don't know, just I hate that they turned it into a joke.
But it like this in the first one, the the way that Ruffalo's banner deals with Hulk, I like absolutely love how much like the shit that he has to go through is just insane.
I feel Ruffalo just sells the performance so, so well.
Yeah. I still have to give this to Robert Downey.
I think I think I got to agree to like, yeah, number three, I'm going to give to Downey as well.
But like a like, like a close number four, like if we're if we're even talking about that, like probably I would give it to Mark Ruffalo because yeah, yeah, just I love his performance.
As as Bruce Banner, you know, going through everyone else, though, like Chris Evans as Steve Rogers, like.
I think he was just played very bland.
He was, which sucks, considering of how how much character growth he had in the Winter Soldier.
Yeah, came out before this.
So the fact that, yeah, he honestly like I'm OK, like with with big team up movies like this.
I think they just structured it wrong, like because they went into this like every Avengers movie is basically an Iron Man movie.
Iron Man is typically the focus.
It's true. If he's not, they work their way into making the movie.
Like Iron Man focused, they.
They just I think whoever gets jipped from like screen time needed to be like the focus.
So it like in terms of like the the Avengers, I think.
I don't know. I think they just needed a restructure.
It a little bit like maybe put a bit more focus on Barton like it seemed like that's a rat that they wanted to head.
Yeah, and you'll get no arguments from me with that.
Yeah, but I mean, all the performances were really good.
So that's why we ended up giving acting a 90.
All right, moving on over to character development.
We ended up giving this.
An 85. Again, this this was more like team.
I think we more judge this as a team.
So like, what did you think of their their development overall?
Honestly, I feel.
I feel for the most part it was it was still I feel just as strong as in the first one.
You could definitely see the
movie that they definitely had their problems as a team is mostly, of course, you know, Cap and Tony, those two struggling.
But, you know, the especially the scene where it's the you know, the final fight and Ultron's just like, you know, do you honestly?
How do you think you could possibly stop me?
And Tony just says, well, it's like the old man said said together, you know, they're going to be a team, you know, and they're going to be a team.
Said together.
And so it's a really sweet moment.
You know, the Avengers all banding together again.
But like, I do appreciate that they have their ups and downs throughout the movie, because in the first one, we only just see them banding together.
That's all we really see is like, yeah, we see some like confrontations with them first meeting up with each other and everything.
And, you know, acting like trying to come together as a team where in this one, the team's already established, but it's staying a team is what the struggle is.
And so I feel for the most part, I feel it actually does a really good job at portraying just honestly how hard it can be to be a team with six freaking superheroes.
Yeah, I like I think the reason it's. It's where it's at is because you definitely see like the struggles between them, and that's like super evident.
I wish that we would have got to see more of just like their light hearted bantering.
I wanted more of the freaking them all trying to lift Thor's hammer.
I wanted more of that.
Yeah, well, that's exactly like I think that.
I mean, it's hard to like figure out where to like put that, especially with how they structured the movie.
But I think I don't know, I think it worked out pretty well.
Like everyone was was entertaining and and fun and like you get to see like the hardships that the team is going through and in all this.
So I think it worked out fairly well.
Yeah, I can I can definitely agree.
So, yeah, sitting at that slightly above average score with eighty five, like definitely tracks.
Yeah. Anything else you wanted to say about character development or?
Not really. Yeah, we usually pound through these like last ones, like the ones that we always seem to like stick on our story, writing and acting.
And then once we get to character development, it's like we like fly by.
Yeah, it's kind of funny.
Yeah. Moving on over to effects, we also gave this an eighty five and.
This one, like so here's here's something like the issues that I had.
I felt like the a lot most of if not all of the budget was focused on the the Hulk Buster Hulk fight,
because that looked incredible.
I can agree with that.
I honestly, this is my favorite throughout the whole MCU.
The Hulk has ever looked.
I love how the Hulk looks in this movie.
Yeah, I'm a big fan of how he how he looks in this.
And I wish that they would have kept it consistent and not turn them into a frickin pretty boy.
But yeah, agreed. That is neither here nor there.
Yeah, so. The the effects I had issues with was a lot of the.
The quick stuff, anything that was happening, that was like kind of a quick moment.
I didn't care for.
Like I'm thinking like initially, like with the opening shot when
I think it's either Thor or whoever is like flying towards like one of the
the bunkers that the enemy is at, like he like flies up there like really quick,
kicks a guy off. Oh, shit. My desk.
Yeah, like kicks this guy off and it looks like super fake,
like when the guy's like falling down and he goes and like flies off somewhere else.
Like it's all so quick and it doesn't have to be like, just take your time,
like make it look like somewhat good.
But it turns into just like a quick little push like you don't even get it.
Like it doesn't feel like a true superhero takeoff.
It feels so frickin animated to really.
Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about, because yeah,
yeah, because you yeah, it's Thor, like you said, because yeah,
there's a part where you like picks up a I think just like a piece of like a building
and the way that he like hits one of the the bad guys with it.
It looks so robotic and just so animated.
I'm just like there's no way that that was actually Chris Hemsworth doing that.
Like that was that was total CGI.
And like even after that, when Caps dragging one of the guys
while he's riding his motorcycle, that doesn't look that great, in my opinion.
No, they they spent most of their time
focused on like certain shots.
So like I think the shot that they focused on is when they're all like in line,
like going to fight and everything.
I mean, that that one shot is so bad.
So it's a is a super dope scene.
Although I have to I get why, because they probably had to I don't know
if they like had to flip the screen or not.
This is me being nitpicky.
In that scene, when, you know, they're all jumping into the air,
Jeremy Renner is he's holding the bow in his left hand
and pulling back with his right when he's left handed.
So he should be holding it in his right and pulling back with his left.
I'm just being nitpicky here.
But that's just something I always remember in that one scene.
But I can look past that because it's such a bad ass, such a bad scene.
I think it's I think it's
I think it's I think that mainly had to be due to the angle.
Probably because they were shooting it all from like
from the right side, like looking in.
So it's like, I don't know if you could have had like a good shot
where it's like his arms covering like a majority of the bow.
You wouldn't get to see the arrow.
So I had to do it with the other arm.
Yeah, that's a good point.
That or just continuity error.
But I mean, that's not really too much.
It could honestly be continuity here because I remember he frickin in Thor.
He pulls it back with his right.
But then he switches in Avengers to pulling it back with his left.
I'm like, OK, so is Renner left or right handed?
But it's just like that.
He's just amadextrous now. Yeah.
Yeah. But other than that, I think.
Ultron, as cool as he was designed,
I don't think that he was animated quite the best.
I agree. There are some scenes that I'm just like, OK,
I can totally tell that he's not actually there.
Like I'm having to kind of.
What's the word?
Not control my brain, but like make my brain believe that he's he's he's there.
Whereas that should just come natural.
Like the CGI should be that good that I can totally believe that he's actually there.
Yeah, this is the downfall of CGI.
I feel I think that they should have gone for.
Animatronic for Ultron, dude, I would have loved that so much.
Like the vet, like the the I mean, the animatronics
that we get nowadays are just off the hook.
So I feel and then it looks better in the shot.
Like it's you get a better performance out of the actors because they're
like that was a constant issue that if you look at the behind the scenes stuff
like Elizabeth Olson and Aaron Taylor Johnson, they're always like talking.
Like it's kind of hard to focus because James Spader's given this really good
performance and your eyes are what are like drawn down to him.
But you have to stare up at these two little like glowing eyes.
That they say they put up or like this tense.
Like they put up or like this tennis ball and it's just like it's distracting.
And it's just like.
Yeah, I believe it.
Yeah, most definitely.
Like they need to go practical where practicality can be done.
Yes, absolutely.
And yeah, like all the other robots like the Ultron Army,
I'm like, whatever, I have that CGI like it doesn't it didn't look horrible.
But when it came to like main Ultron, like you should have done
some practical shit with him.
I agree.
And yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong.
There were some really cool scenes with him, like stuff that looked really cool.
But it also like it reminded me of the bad guy from robots.
Like in terms of like the animation style.
Yeah, that's fair.
Oh, I love that.
Yeah, my favorite is when he's throwing a widow in that prison.
And he's talking to her with his old body, and then he like rips through
and like cuts the old one in half and like is in his like new vibranium body.
Like that was the shit.
Yeah, that was bad ass.
I love that.
But yeah, unfortunately, I think this was.
One of the last. Good animated.
Like MCU movie, like I'm good before I.
Before I put my tongue in my mouth.
Or my.
I was like, isn't the phrase foot in your mouth, your tongue in your mouth.
That's it.
I mean, I don't know about you, but my tongue's already in my mouth.
But unless I feel like the animation or like the CGI started getting funky.
It was already funky with Thor Ragnarok.
They kind of fixed it with Infinity War.
So it started taking a downfall somewhere between homecoming and Infinity War.
But with hit and misses.
Black Panther was a huge mess.
At least in that final fight. Yeah, the final fight.
Like, yeah, the rest of it.
Not bad. Yeah.
But got that final fight.
Oh, God, so bad.
Yeah, it wasn't great.
Excuse me.
Yeah. So I still stand by the 85.
No, I do, too.
All right. Moving on over to music.
We ended up giving this an eight out of 10.
Which I stand by.
The Avengers theme is just like such of an earworm.
Like, it's hard to not give it.
Like anything, it's hard to give anything lower.
Like I was trying to justify like a seven.
Like if I was anywhere and we don't do half of the music, we don't do half of the music.
Uh, points.
But if I was to put it anywhere, I'd probably be sitting at like a seven and a half.
But it'd be a strong six, seven and a half.
So since we round up, it's usually.
Yeah, I'd still round up to like an eight.
But I mean, that that that theme song is just a frickin bang.
It is so, so iconic.
Who did the music?
So Alan Silver.
So Brian Tyler signed on for this one.
Um, but Alan Silvestri is the one that created the Avengers theme for the first one.
So Brian replaced Alan from the first one.
But yeah, we, I've, we owe Alan Silvestri all the credit for creating that amazing Avengers theme.
Yeah.
Because to me, that is up with the ranks of like Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the, the Avengers theme.
Just yeah, like agree with whatever you said, like it gets you just so hyped, so pumped and just, I love it so, so much.
Yeah, same here.
So yeah, that's why we're why I think the eight is fairly justified.
Agreed.
All right, moving on over to costumes.
We also gave this an eight out of 10.
And this one was a little bit more like when I was looking through the scores,
was a little bit more on the controversial side until I rewatched this movie and kind of reminded myself why it was sitting there.
So we like looking through the images.
So my biggest issue.
With this outfit.
Outfit it are with Captain America's. This is my least favorite Captain America outfit.
What?
Dude, it's like top three for me.
I.
You're saying you like you like the first Avengers suit more than this one.
Dude, I absolutely like the first Avengers suit more than this one.
All right.
No, bro, I'm out.
I'm like.
I like that, too, but I love the one in Age of Ultron.
I don't care for like the excessively dark features on this.
I love like it's it's the super dark blue.
I don't like the frickin like accentuated like red highlights around his star.
And then the frickin like stripe down the center.
Like not fully like connecting like I don't know why it bothers me so much, but it does.
It's like I said, one of my it's my least favorite suit of his.
And I also feel like with the helmet, the the A should be a lot more vibrant than it is.
OK, I will give you that.
Yeah, it should be. It should be cleaner.
A lot of this is just brightness.
And that's why I like the first one.
It's just brightness. And that's why I like the first Avenger, because it was like a like almost
like jeans blue.
So it was like nice and bright.
Everything like all I love, like how they incorporated the the stars and stripes.
Like it was like obviously the star logo, but then the stripes were part of like his
just part of his uniform.
And so in this, it's just wasn't digging it.
I was, but that's just me. Yeah.
Yeah, the next up, Thor, Thor's kind of like same issues for me.
Very, very dark.
Where I feel like the war out of everyone should be like the cleanest looking.
Like, especially with his like now knowing that his suit is magic.
Like that's how he like snaps on and off his his outfit.
Like, I feel like his suit should be very clean looking.
That's I feel that this is where we're like kind of indifferent with this, because I like I feel
that this sequel definitely tries to be a lot more dark and gritty than the first one, a lot more
serious because compared to the first one.
Compared to the first one. And so it seems like the costume designers wanted the costumes to
follow suit with that.
And so the costumes are, you know, given a lot more paler colors, a lot more darker colors.
So like, I don't know, man, I kind of got to disagree with you a little bit.
Like I love the darkness of these costumes.
It really works for me with Age of Ultron.
Fair. I mean, I understand like wanting to match the tone and everything.
Like, I completely understand that.
It's just I don't know for me personally, it's just.
No, dude, I completely get it.
One of my favorite things.
There's actually an Avengers, like an animated Avengers movie.
I forget like the full title of it, but it's like it kind of follows along with like
the ultimate Avengers.
And so Thor in this, like he has like the circular discs on his suit.
But when he's using his power, they glow.
And I feel like that's a feature on like on these suits that they've never fully utilized.
Like, I feel like like it's always been a staple.
Like they've had those discs.
It's just they've never done anything like with them.
And I would love to see one where it's like they're glowing.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
Yeah, so.
But I mean, I like the sleeveless look, the hairs fine.
Like, I think this has kind of gotten to the point where it's maybe a little on the
too long side, but fair.
Minor complaint there. Yeah.
And then I've been indifferent about the helmet.
Like, I still think that I really would like to see Thor wear a helmet, but.
I understand that they why they don't.
All right, next up, we got Iron Man.
Iron Man looks freaking sick.
The design of the Hulk Buster was.
Bad ass.
Yeah, it really was.
That shows perfection.
Yeah, they adapted that like flawlessly.
Like, I have close to no complaints about Iron Man.
I will say, though, it's not my favorite mark that Iron Man has ever worn.
I'm curious.
Do you have a favorite mark that Iron Man has worn?
Oh, that's a great question.
It's a hard one, though, right?
Yeah.
Gosh, that's a damn good question.
Honestly, I think I'm partial to the mark, too.
Or that's three mark three marks.
Mark three.
OK, so the O.G. Golden Year Golden Red.
Yeah, I think I've always been partial to that.
I really dug like the the triangle.
The little arc reactor.
From Iron Man, too.
I can't keep track of like the arc or the mark numbers.
No, same here.
And then the mark 42 suit from Iron Man three was pretty cool.
Right.
And then after that, I kind of started.
Liking the suits less and less like this one was,
I think, the last one outside of Iron Man three that I liked.
That's fair, because, like, honestly, after this one, they just all got like way to CGI.
Like, you know, going back to what you said about, yeah, this was definitely like the last like
good CGI Marvel movie, because, yeah, after after this one, like literally
because before
I feel like before Civil War, because I feel that's when it like really started.
Not like great, like I get told, tell the Tony was not in that suit.
He actually used they used to have him like actually wear like the like the shoulder,
the guards and you like other parts of the suit, they would they would frickin he'd wear a motion
capture suit so they could, you know, like add in the extra parts during post production.
But he was still wearing part of it to where it would make for, you know, easier, but not as
make for, you know, easier movements. They could track his head better, all that stuff.
So it looked really, really good. But like when it came to like Civil War, like
there's like when they're at the airport, whenever Tony moves his head, when his helmet's off,
it looks so frickin bad. Yeah. So, so bad. Yeah. I wouldn't say that like
Age of Ultron's the last good and or CGI Marvel movie. I'd say the last I
with Iron Man is at least to me. Oh, with Iron Man. Yes.
Yeah. The last one I would say was probably Dr. Strange.
That's OK. Yeah, I can definitely. And that's just because Dr. Strange was just the frickin trip.
Yes. But in the best way possible. Yeah.
But I loved loved his look and I love how they just kind of like mirrored it
over with the Hulkbuster. The Hulkbuster was the bomb.com.
Like I feel the Hulkbuster, the way that like it's got some like silver going on,
the I don't know the way that the silver is placed. It reminds me a lot of the
final suit in the first Avengers. Yeah, a little bit, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's Iron Man. Next to we got Hawkeye. And so what we're looking at now is
like the trench coat suit. And he had this throughout the entire movie.
He did the only so not the entire movie when it came to the final fight, he does take it off.
And then he goes back to having the like sleeveless look. And he does have the
like sleeveless look they had in the first one, which that one works too. Like I love both.
But I do appreciate that they even tried more to go with a comic accurate,
like comic accurate, but also like keeping it like, you know, like
what's the word like, not black ops, but like like stealth suit for Hawkeye. Yeah.
I think my only real complaint with his suit is I wish that they would have gone with a
like a richer purple and not that it's just like reddish purple.
Yeah, I can definitely agree with you there. Yeah, I mean, no real complaints. Yeah.
And dude, I freaking loved his quiver in this one.
His quiver was sick. All right. I find it funny that his quiver changes throughout every single movie.
It's always a different one. Yeah. But yeah, overall, it really dug his his suit.
I'm also sorry. Can I say one more thing about Hawkeye? Yeah.
I'm kind of sad that because after this movie, his bow switches back to how it was in the first
Avengers. I'm I'm honestly disappointed that they never came back to this bow because I love this bow
that he holds, like how it has like the circle around his where he holds it in his hand.
I feel like the the positioning of his hand just looks a lot more comfortable.
So I've always been curious why they switched back after Age of Ultron, because
like, yeah, just I love the design of this bow and I wish that they would have kept it going.
And yeah, definitely with you on that one. All right. Next up, we got the twins, Wanda and Pietro.
Wanda, I think they did they adapted the best that they could there.
Fair. Hers is like she's in a black dress. She's in like knee high boots and a red leather jacket.
Like it's the best that they could do. I don't think that we got enough of her suit at the end
of this movie, which I'm not counting because it was in there for just like a short little blip.
But this this was was OK. Yeah.
And then Quicksilver's like his was pretty plain, but the shirt was cool.
This sure was really cool. Yeah, very.
Very it felt like maybe he took it from like Captain America
in terms of like his I'm I wouldn't be surprised if he did.
Yeah, but I think it worked.
It it looks great for his character, just kind of like.
I don't know, like it just looks like a shirt.
Like, I don't know how to explain this.
It just looks like a shirt you'd wear if you had super speed.
No, it does. No, dead serious.
Like I couldn't tell you why.
It's just like if someone came to me wearing a shirt that was like similar to this and they're
like, hey, what superpower do I have? I like my first instinct would be like super speed.
Duh. Yeah. Isn't it obvious?
Yeah. All right. And then last up, we got the design for Ultron and freaking loved it.
Yeah. Phenomenal. He looks so cool.
I'm like, say what you will about.
I mean, we've already said some of the CGI on Ultron, but the design overall was flawless.
It was fantastic. Not only in this form, but his vibranium form.
Both looked fan fricking tastic.
Yeah, like zero complaints.
And then, yeah, like I said, that was the last one.
So real big fan of his of his overall look here.
So, yeah, the reason I think I think this is why we gave it a nine out of 10 or an eight out of 10.
Sorry. I think I dislike the suits more than you did, and I think you ended up giving it a nine
and I ended up giving it a seven. Yeah, I think you're right.
So now that we're talking about it and like my feelings are like because our feelings about this
movie have really changed much. No, they haven't.
Like if at all. And so, yeah, I think that's I think that's exactly what happened because you're
a big fan of these suits. I'm not. Yeah. And so.
Yeah, I was down at like seven and so.
Yeah, so ever averaging out to the middle began.
And I want to. Sorry.
I don't I mean, I don't know if you liked it, but frickin the costume for Black Widow, like with
her to batons and like how when she would spread them out, her like frickin suit would like light
up blue. And so I love that shit. Did you not?
I hated that. Really?
I love that show. OK, yeah, this explains even more why it's.
Yeah, yeah, I totally gave this a nine.
Totally remembering this.
I loved that shit. Yeah, I couldn't stand it.
I thought it was like friggin.
Did not did not care for it.
It's friggin whatsoever.
Oh, my God. I love this so much.
This is fantastic.
I remember seeing like the little clips or the trailers before this movie came out
and bitching about how she looked in that.
I was just like, what did they do to her suit? Like she's a undercover spy.
Like, why would she have a glowing suit?
So dumb. I loved her suit in Black Widow, though, like once they finally went accurate with it.
I'm oh, yeah, nuts for that suit.
Absolutely agree.
Yeah, so yeah, now I understand why we gave this an eight.
All right. And then last up, we had our own personal score.
We did discuss this a little bit earlier.
I. Did not like this movie as much as Rose did.
So you ended up giving this a nine.
Or that's where you would. That's where you said you were sitting at net right now.
Right. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And I said I'm sitting at an 81.
So, yeah, combining them all, combining those two together, averaging it, averaging it out.
Yeah. 85. Definitely.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's still like it's a it's an entertaining movie.
It's a it's a movie.
It's a movie.
Yeah.
This is one that's really fun for at least for me to like, just sit and like reflect on.
I like thinking about how I can improve it or how I would improve it or would have.
Would have improved it because I can't go back and improve it.
But I it's one of those movies that's.
Fun to watch and then I think it's a movie that's really fun to watch.
It's fun to watch and then just like reflect on.
Yeah.
Like I think that's where most of my enjoyment comes out of.
Just like, oh, what I would have done different.
Yeah. That no, that that's completely fair.
I feel my biggest. I mean, what like it definitely I feel that I wish that we would have gotten a
little better of a sequel when it came to the first Avengers because I love that movie so much.
And unfortunately, I feel that I don't I do not love the sequel as much.
But for what we get here with, you know, the team building and especially, you know, not trying to
be I am going to be biased. The frickin character arc that we get or character development we get
for Hawkeye is just so great. And I feel for me, it outshines some of the problems that I have
with this movie. So that's that's why I stand with an 89 personally.
Yeah.
But yeah, so we ended up averaging out to an 85.
Yeah.
Which brings our final Albrose letter grade for Avengers, each of Ultron to a B.
I guess there's no point for a drum roll. We've talked about the score before.
But yeah, we're sitting at a B with with Age of Ultron.
And I think it's still super deserving of that. Like I.
This is probably the one movie that.
I am like 100 percent OK with where it's sitting.
Fair. No, no, I can absolutely agree.
Yeah. So I mean, comparing this to the other movies that we've reviewed, this is sitting below prey.
It's below Spider-Man three.
OK.
Is below Christopher Robin.
Fair.
It's below the Matrix Resurrections.
And it's below Megan.
And then go in the opposite direction. It's sitting above Blue Beetle.
It's above Solo.
A Star Wars story.
It's above a Christmas story. Christmas.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Let's see. It's above Free Guy and then it is above Thor Ragnarok.
I am perfectly OK with that.
Same here.
I am very much OK with that.
All right. Well, unless you got anything else you want to say about Age of Ultron.
That I do not.
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Yeah.
Since we're recording this episode in advance, Caleb, I straight up already forgot the movie that comes after this one.
The one that comes after this is going to be, I forgot it too, but Chicken Run.
Okay, well, so after so next week you can look forward to Chicken Run, which I still feel nevermind.
I'm not going to say anything. You'll get our thoughts then.
But until then, this has been the Albrows podcast. I am Jonathan.
And I'm Caleb.
And we will catch you guys next week. Show along.
Jesus, you're right.
Yeah, I'm okay.
All right.
Deuces.