What is up bros?
Welcome to the All Bros Podcast.
I'm Caleb.
And I'm Jonathan.
We are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed
movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the All Bros.
This week on the podcast in 4K Spotlight, we have
one item to talk about
a movie that we have previously broken down on this show
with Transformers Rise of the Beasts.
And then after that, we will be getting straight into
our headliner for this week, which will be our breakdown of Saw X.
And both of us just like.
Hated it. Just kidding.
But both of us saw this today, right?
Yeah, I saw it today.
Yeah. Oh, can't wait to get into it.
Oh, yeah. So excited.
Yeah. So without further ado,
let's say we get into it.
Let's do it.
Hello. My name is Brecker Nurse.
And I want to tell you about my phone or movie podcast called
Autopsy for Horror Movie on my show.
I like to have fun dissecting out what makes a horror movie scary.
What worked for it? What did it?
What types of fears does it play off of?
Is it an allegory for any sort of message?
I don't know, but let's find out.
Also, I like to watch slashers.
I'm a big slasher guy.
So I'll watch a slasher and do a kill grade for it.
I will cover the kills and I will tell you how I would grade it
based on shock, methods, style points and a fourth category.
That is a reflection of the movie.
Besides those, I have fun with special topic episodes,
commentary tracks, interviews with guests, including some shutter directors.
So I just like to have a fun time over here.
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And I hope that you get to enjoy the show and I'll see you on Instagram. Bye.
All righty. First up in 4K.
Spotlight.
Ah, struggling this week. There we go.
First up in 4K spotlight.
Oh, look at that.
We we got past the promo before the Sam jumped on. Wow.
That doesn't happen very often.
Sam, you're slightly Sam. I'm just kidding.
Yeah, I know. Freaking hell.
Like we've been doing this for two minutes already.
Like, yeah, what's the deal? Where have you been?
All right.
So, yeah, like I said, getting into our first
four guys, our first and only busy, I was busy doing chores.
All right. I'll accept that answer.
Excuses, excuses.
Oh, man.
Yeah. So getting into our first order.
Play with our first order.
Play with our first.
Our night, five, 10, I know.
I know I'm.
I need to center myself.
I'm having I'm having a freaking having a having a day.
Getting are you OK?
Oh, my gosh, dude, you have no idea.
Starting off for this spotlight.
We have one item to talk about, and that is.
Transformers Rise of the Beasts.
So, Rose, if you would like to walk us through.
Through this, I would love to.
So if you've watched our review of this movie, or if you haven't,
you know, definitely go check it out.
Me and Caleb were not the biggest fans of this movie.
We thought it was just all right.
Tight when it comes to Transformers movies,
the first one, the original one and Bumblebee is way better.
But looking past that, still, though, if you guys want to pick this up,
pretty cool slip cover you get for the 4K.
I'm pretty sure that this was just the theatrical release poster.
You know, friggin basic bitch poster.
I know, right. But for a second, when I first saw this,
I thought Bumblebee had his hand on one hip and then like one hand was just like down by a side.
And I just wanted I was like, Bumblebee said,
I was like, Bumblebee slaying over here, Queen.
But no, he has them both on his hips.
But yeah, so I'm going to disagree, though, with what it says below
the best Transformers movie yet. No, I'm sorry.
That still belongs to Bumblebee.
Whoa. Fair.
It's going to say, Caleb, you.
I was going to say like the the bar isn't very high.
Fair. So I can't argue with that.
I can't argue with that.
Geez, Louise, I can't argue with you there.
But I don't know, just Bumblebee was so, so much better.
But but the first one is still my favorite.
I love the first Transformers.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
First one still hold like holds a nostalgic place in my heart.
But Bumblebee was really freaking good.
I don't understand why I got so much hate.
I really haven't seen a lot of hate from it.
There are views I've seen praising it.
I praise it. Are they?
I heard a lot about like maybe just the circles I'm in,
because like I've heard nothing but like, oh, this movie's crap.
But like, I really like it.
OK, well, the circles you in don't know Transformers,
good Transformers movies.
Yeah, no.
God, they probably think Revenge of the Fallen is like the greatest movie
to ever grace the silver screen, don't they?
I wouldn't doubt it.
OK, all right.
Yep, that tells me everything I need to know.
Mm hmm.
Um, yeah, so that's the regular 4K.
The Blu Ray is the exact same shocker.
Lame. I know.
Paramount doesn't change shit when it comes to their
physical, physical releases.
But the steelbook, though, this pretty bitching.
Dope, right?
Yeah, this is badass.
I love that, right?
A freaking graffiti image of Optimus Prime, and it says till all are one.
I love that.
Like kind of shit movie, but steelbook 10 out of 10.
Oh, straight up, dude.
And this is exactly what we what we've bitched and complained about.
Like every single episode that we get, like some of this bullshit is.
We want freaking artistic
designs and this
that chef's kiss.
Yeah, it's perfect. It's beautiful.
I'd buy a poster of that.
Dude, same here.
Do I get a canvas painting of this?
Oh, that'd be great.
Right. Oh, that would be fantastic. Yeah.
Mm hmm. Yeah, man.
So I'm just sitting here admiring it now.
Like that is freaking some good stuff.
Right. It's so freaking good.
Like whoever designed the steelbook, like you deserve a freaking raise
because you freaking killed it.
Yeah. Like you can't get better than that.
No, you can't.
Um. But yeah, that that that's oh, my God.
They're there, they're there, they're there.
I thought.
What the hell was that?
It's trying to be porky pig and I failed that that that that's all folks
for when it comes to 4K spotlight.
All right.
Hmm. Cool. All righty.
Well.
Uh.
I can't keep track of all my shit today.
God damn it, Caleb. Yeah, I know.
Well, cool.
So with that wrapped up, I think.
I mean, I don't have anything else to add, so we can get straight into
this week's episode.
Let's do it. All right.
First, because this is a horror movie, we are going to have a.
Change of scenery.
Ooh.
All right. Let's freaking.
Do this.
All righty, like we said earlier, we will be breaking down
the latest installment in the franchise saw X.
So, yeah, if you are new to our breakdown system,
we have split movies up into eight different categories
that we individually score to come to a final Albrose letter grade.
First up, we got story writing, acting.
We usually do character development, but in terms of horror movies
that usually don't have a lot of that, we change it around.
So character development becomes the logic.
After that, we talk about effects, then music, costumes,
and then we give our own personal score at the very end.
All those numbers get magically added up and give us a final Albrose letter grade
to compare this movie to others of a similar grade.
So with that, if you have not seen saw X, it is still in theater.
So with that, if you have not seen saw X, it is still in theaters.
Definitely go check that shit out.
Seriously, because we are about
you want a good horror movie to start off your spooky month.
Can't do any better than this one.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, we.
We are posting the spoiler territory and trust us.
This is not one that you want spoiled.
Yes. So if you have not seen this and you want to or plan to in the future,
Frickin. Come back and listen to it later.
Yeah. All right.
Yeah. So you have you have been properly warned, saw spoilers ahead.
So with that comes our favorite segment, reading with Rose.
Not mine, but, you know,
somebody gives a shit what I think.
Not even one person.
Wow. Damn. All right.
All right. John Kramer's told that due to his advanced brain cancer,
he has only months to live.
He attends a cancer support meeting where he meets Henry Kessler,
who claims to have also gotten a terminal diagnosis.
A physically destitute John later encounters a seemingly healthy Henry
who claims to have been cured by an experimental Norwegian cancer treatment
conducted by a group led by Dr.
Peterson, a desperate John contacts the doctor's daughter, Cecilia Peterson,
who refers him to her clinic in Mexico City.
John is John is driven to the clinic by taxi driver Diego and meets Cecilia
and her team, Mateo, Valentina and Dr.
Cortez, as well as a young woman named Gabriela, who claims to have been
cured by Cecilia and another patient, Parker Sears, who just underwent surgery.
John also meets Carlos, a young boy who lives nearby,
and the two bond when John fixes his bike, John goes under for for surgery
and he wakes up to Cecilia informing him that he is now cancer free.
Finding a new lease on life, John purchases a gift for Gabriela.
However, upon returning to the clinic, he finds it abandoned
and realized that the whole operation was a scam.
Deducing Dr. Cortez was Diego in disguise.
John kidnaps him and places him in a trap where he must remove explosive
wired wire explosives, wired to his arms by cutting through his flesh.
Diego survives the trap and gives up the information of everyone involved
in the scam. Jigsaw's apprentice, Amanda Young, then kidnaps Cecilia and her team.
The four wake up in the clinic where John and Amanda greet them
as the subjects of Jigsaw's latest game.
Valentina is tasked with severing her leg with a jig.
Is it a jiggly saw or a giggly saw?
I think a giggly.
OK, get with a giggly saw.
At least I would have sounded like you said.
Yeah, I know there's a term for it.
I don't know. I didn't quite catch it.
I just I didn't either.
I just saw what it did.
Yeah, right.
With a giggly saw and extracting enough bone marrow to release a key and free herself.
Although she succeeds in removing her leg, her time runs out and she is decapitated.
Cecilia is able to call for help, but Amanda shocks her into submission
and confiscates the phone.
Parker breaks into the clinic claiming he wants his money back.
Mander restrains Parker while Mateo is forced to drill into his own skull
and remove a portion of his cerebral tissue to obtain another key.
After taking too long, a heated mass closes on his face and kills him.
Gabriella's next and is suspended from shackles around her wrist
and ankle while being subjected to ionizing radiation
and must use a sledgehammer to break her shackled limbs and escape.
She succeeds and John orders Amanda to take her to a hospital.
However, before she can, the now free Parker forces them a gun point
gun point to free Cecilia.
Cecilia breaks Gabriella's neck and reveals she called Parker,
who is part of the scam, to free her.
She forces John to chain himself in her trap.
She hears Carlos outside of the facility and having noticed John,
the friend, the boy chains him up opposite John on a seesaw like trap,
which water boards them with blood.
Parker and Cecilia leave to retrieve the bag of stolen cash from John's control room.
However, a tripwire is activated that seals Parker and Cecilia
in the room and frees John and Carlos.
John reveals Diego gave up gave up Parker as one of the scammers,
and he tricked Cecilia into luring him to the facility.
A deadly chemical gas begins filling the room with the only
was was speed.
Speed, I don't know this word, it's really sad.
We're spite.
Caleb, do you know how to say this word?
R.E.S. P.I.T.
So we're spite.
R.E.S. P.I.T.
E. P.I.T.
R.S.S.
Well, it sounds it looks like or sounds like respite.
That's OK. So we're going to go that word in my life.
Yeah, with the only respite being a ventilation hole large enough for one person's head,
Cecilia stabs Parker to death, but can only watch as John, Amanda and Carlos,
to whom John gave the money, leave the facility while she is left imprisoned.
Sometime later, Henry awakens in a
dilapidated dilapidated bathroom with a new trap strapped to his stomach,
overseen by John and Mark Hoffman.
Oh, I think that one's dilapidated.
Oh, it's dilapidated. Thank you. Yeah.
Hey, my bad. There we go.
Dilapidated.
Yeah.
Dude, let's forget just getting into this frickin.
Oh.
So good.
This is so, so good.
Like, I love so it's so nice or it was so nice to have John Kramer back
at the helm of this franchise and this one, because honestly, for everything
that they've done with the other entries in this franchise after the third one,
I kind of forgot just how gripping and captivating John Kramer is as a character.
And once again, once again,
I mean, we'll get more to this with acting, but Tobin Bell is just such a presence on screen as John Kramer.
And just even though we know what happens after this movie, you know, we know what
you know, what we know what happens with him and his cancer and everything.
Just watching him take this final chance that he thought he had to get cured of his cancer is
honestly really hard to watch. Like this first half hour.
Like I was I kind of forgot about the second and third, because I thought there was there.
There might have been a chance that John Kramer could have been cured by cancer.
But the way that it plays out, of course, that is not the case.
But like, yeah, the moment when he finds out that it's a scam,
like everything that leads up to that, especially when he's in the room and he frickin.
Like like when he's in when he's on the operating table and
the doctor straight up asked the nurse, oh, turn the TV so he doesn't see.
Like, I don't know, maybe.
That is just so shady to me.
I'm sure that, like, you know, like some doctors be like, oh, yeah, we don't want our patient to see that.
But at the same time, I'd be like, OK, like you're trying to hide something from me, right?
Like if I'm in and out of consciousness and I can clearly see the screen that you're that
is showcasing quotation marks, the surgery that you're doing on the back of my head and you turn it away from me,
I feel that you're hiding something.
And and of course, that that is showcased because after, you know, he they say that he's cured,
he goes to deliver a gift to oh, my God, what is her name?
Gabriella, Gabriella, and he discovers that the place that he had his procedure procedure is completely trashed.
But he finds the the monitor and he finds that it's connected up to a DVD player.
And they were actually just show they were just playing a frickin
a clip from a brain surgeon DVD of how like what was it like the the
I don't know what the hell it was called for a second neurosurgery tape.
OK, for a second, I straight up thought it was like a how to how to do surgery for dummies kind of thing.
It basically was it was OK.
So I I wasn't too.
I had a feeling like the whole thing was fake,
just because like one of the trailers that I saw kind of gave that away,
which I can't like I know they had to, but it kind of sucks that they did.
Yeah. But it's like I kind of had a feeling that the whole thing was was fake.
But I will say I kind of did think that they were actually performing surgery on him.
I just I just thought that they were performing just some rando surgery
and then being like, oh, we fixed you.
And so he'd go off and on his merry way.
I didn't think he was as elaborate as of a con as it was.
But when I was nothing was inserted into his his head, not even a scalpel,
which I thought I I swear they didn't even cut his hair.
Yeah. So, yeah.
Yeah, they didn't cut his hair.
We see a scalpel touching skin, but yeah, that that it didn't actually happen.
Yeah, they fake blood and shit.
Yeah. So this is what I think that they were doing is
that they were making it seem like it was a mistake,
like that the the surface was just so reflective.
And then it's like, oh, we see that he's seeing this.
And then, yeah, they're shifting it.
And then they just dope him up again.
So he passes out and then they finish it.
Again, so he passes out and then they finish the surgery.
But I think that they were I think that like
it was a good sell because it's like, oh, we didn't really are like
it just kind of shows like, oh, maybe we didn't think about this,
like about this whole situation, this this con or what or not the con.
The it was like an oversight, like, oh, we didn't realize that
the surface would reflect and like, oops, like one of those deals.
Yeah. So I think there was like to keep him from like panicking.
So like that was my justification.
OK, that's why they're doing that.
I thought it was like actually his brain.
And then I was like, they're not doing anything.
It just looks like they're poking his brain a little bit.
And so when it turned out to be like a tape, I was like, oh, shit.
Like, I mean, kudos to them because, yeah, I thought I thought the same thing as you.
Like, I actually thought that they were going to try to make this look real
with, you know, actually like making contact with his head, cutting it open,
you know, actually making contact with his brain.
But no, it's just a fricking videotape. Yeah.
But, dude, I so.
So I loved the structure of this story.
Like this is kind of like.
As perfect as you can get in terms of like horror, slasher, storytelling.
Like the first like the first half hour or however long the
the situation was from like the beginning to when he's like.
Figures out like that, they did him dirty.
It felt like a short film.
Like kind of like a short film prelude.
And then once it got into like the slasher shit, like it went full slasher shit.
And I'm like, none of that, like.
They didn't try to have any, like filler.
Yes, it did not.
Yeah, it wasn't like trying to pad the runtime or anything.
It was just like, boom, we're like, we're in the action.
We're in the shit.
And we gave you that little prelude because like, I feel with this movie,
you could seriously start watching it right at the point where he starts
going ham on them and still get a pretty enjoyable movie.
And then same thing, you could probably cut it off at the end or like.
Like right before he goes, all jigsaw on them
and have a pretty enjoyable film.
But it's just like combining the two.
That's like the perfect structuring for a franchise like this.
Give us like, give us a really good, solid story at the beginning.
And then give us like what we came to see at the end.
Like no fricking filler, because like that was like maybe an issue that I've had
in other saw movies where it's like, oh, they're trying to tell us what's going
on, they're trying to tell a story in between all the saw shit.
And I'm like, I want to say I'm here for the saw shit.
Yeah, no.
No, I agree.
I especially love that.
I mean, of course, it's still John Kramer's game,
but I feel that even especially in this one, it truly feels like that
because all of the victims are in the same room.
They're not split into different rooms like in it, like in later installments.
So I feel because of that case and also especially for the fact that he
is still interacting with them.
You know, he he literally explains the game in person and then him and Amanda
go up to I want I don't want to say their headquarters, but sure.
I'll say their headquarters in this area.
And, you know, they watch.
What was Valentina?
Right.
Right. That was her name. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, they watch her fail at her trap.
They watch Diego Diego.
Bro, he not Diego.
Ed, what is Carlos? Right.
No, not Carlos. What the hell was his name?
Mateo Mateo. Thank you.
I got to say
she didn't have to go as hard as she did.
Frickin Valentino.
Yeah, she when she cut off her full
for Rick and leg.
I'm like.
You know, honestly, there is like because I mean,
my God, I'm horrible at names
when Cecilia is saying like, oh, come on, hurry up.
You only have this amount of time, this amount of time.
Whenever like someone's like doing that, they're just like, come on.
It's like super easy.
I lose one shot.
You know what? If you think so easy, why don't you be in this fucking trap?
Dude, no, Joe language. I'm sorry.
No, I get it. It's like, dude, shut up.
She's cutting off her leg. Yeah.
Like because you'll see that in other installments,
like especially in like Frickin Saw 2, like with Amanda,
when she gets thrown into the batch of needles and the guys like,
no, come on, hurry up, hurry up.
You only got this amount of time.
Come on, come on, come on. You got to save us all.
And I'm like, dude, you try to find a needle in a haystack.
Literally, that's how this the trap is in saw to you.
Frickin try this out.
Yeah, Frickin.
Some it's some bullshit.
No, it's really bullshit.
So like every time she was like egging them on, I'm just like,
are you shitting me? Yeah.
Oh, dude, the Frickin it was clever,
but it was Frickin gross that she used Valentina's intestines
as a Frickin rope.
Yeah, she I will admit kind of genius.
Yeah, I know.
I would never would have thought that, but that was really Frickin gross, dude.
When she did that, I was like, dude, this bitch is unhinged.
Yeah, she's psycho. She's psycho.
I yeah, I.
Geez, I can't wait to get into effects with this, but damn.
Do I?
My favorite thing about the first saw movie was
the like the just the insane twist that you just you never see coming, right?
Oh, yeah. This is one of those that I.
I was totally just blown away.
Like, yeah, bye.
No, like, honestly, because I actually thought that they got one on John Kramer
with I know, dude, me too.
Like I was telling Caleb before we started recording because Frickin.
So Detective Hoffman makes an appearance at the end of the in the post credit scene.
So it showcases that he's been working with John Kramer for a lot longer than we thought he had.
And so because his Frickin audio was spoiled in the trailer, I straight up thought
when both Jigs with when both John Kramer and Amanda Young are, you know, trapped in the trap,
I just half expected Hoffman's voice either come over the PA system or in a bust open a door
and just save them or some shit like that because that's like he has to come in, right?
Like, he's got to be somewhere in this movie. I know he's going to.
I already heard his voice in the trailer, and that's not a audio that we had never heard
that we had ever heard in any of the previous movies he's in.
So he had to be in this.
So like, yeah, I honestly was just expecting that.
But yeah, Frickin when the Frickin classic, you know, Zep theme kicks in, which can I just say,
I mean, actually, wait, you know what?
I'm going to save that for music when the classic Zep Hello Zep theme kicks in and we're showcasing
that, no, this was the plan from the whole get go.
There were certain ways the plan, though. OK, it wasn't like it was.
It was the backup plan. That's true. There were.
That's oh, yeah, that's true.
John did say that there were certain ways that this that this trap could go or this game.
No, he could go right. His exact wording was one way or another.
Like they will play the game.
And that's what it was. I'm like.
To when he said that, I was like Frickin a.
But when he like, what did he like?
Yeah, when he like was got strapped in to his own trap, I was like.
I was stressed. I was just like, bro, how?
Oh, like, oh, no.
Like I would like I was so stressed out and I'm like, how do you plan for this?
And then this like I didn't get suspicious.
Like it was a what's his face Parker?
That like.
It when they were up in the room and he's just like.
Wait a minute, like how who who was that second space for?
Like it was only you let and then like she pulls the bag and everything locks up.
I'm like, oh, dude, yeah, I like my mind was fricking blown.
Dude, literally, no matter what they throw at us,
John Kramer is truly always one step ahead.
Like this is going to be one of the smartest guys to ever grace the whole franchise.
If not the smartest.
Easily my favorite to.
Oh, yeah, dude.
I love John Kramer.
Saw is I will say I think out of every horror franchise saws my favorite.
That's good.
I won't say it's my favorite, but I will say that there is not.
So I will I will.
There are certain saw entries that I will, you know, give crap to.
But I feel to me soft saws the rare franchise that like none of the movies are unwatchable.
In my opinion. Yeah, like they're all bad ones are still good.
Yeah, they're all fun to watch because even if you don't love where the story goes and the characters go, you're still you still get great traps in every single one.
Yeah, dude, that's like there's not very many franchises.
I feel like that with like say like I feel the same way with Marvel, same way with Spider-Man movies like none of those are unwatchable movies like I'll even admit there's some like Halloween.
I find Rob Zombie's Halloween to unwatchable.
And so I can't say that Halloween is one is the franchise that I can watch all of them saw.
I can absolutely say from one through seven spiral jigsaw now saw X.
I can easily watch any of these movies and still have a good time.
None of them are unwatchable.
Absolutely.
So, yeah, I.
I'm a big fan, big fan of this franchise.
And this movie, like, again, just cemented that like fact even more.
I I had close to no issues with this.
This is actually one where typically with horror movies and I feel like we've shown this in the past, the story for the the horror movie isn't always great.
Like, it's usually like a slightly above average, like sitting around like an 80 or it could.
It's it very rarely has it ever gone higher than like 85.
I'm higher than 85 on this.
I'm not 90s. I'm not.
I don't think I'm cracking 90s, but I'm like really freaking close.
Fair. Like, I think I'm sitting at like a solid 89.
Yeah, dude, I got to match you.
I can't go any lower. It's just it's that good.
Like I didn't like freaking when this was announced, like I like going wrong.
I was super excited for the fact that it was the guy that directed Saw Six coming back to direct this one because Saw Six.
I mean, I think I got to see this one one more time to like make my judgment if I like this one more than Saw Six.
But Saw Six up until this point is my favorite entry in the franchise.
I love that movie so much.
And so when they announced that he was the one directing it, I was so freaking excited.
And yeah, he freaking like met all of my expectations because for being a prequel that is set between Saw One and Saw Two, this the this is one of the best if not the best in the franchise we've gotten since the original.
Yeah, my top three are the OG.
I'll say two, two is the one in the house, right?
Yes. OK, so yeah, I'll say one, two and this one with a close, close fourth being Jigsaw.
That's fair. OK, that's a good ranking.
But this one, it's it's come damn close to my number one spot.
My number one is I have to give to frickin the first song.
Like half. I freaking love that movie.
You know, funny enough, the first one's not even in my top three.
Really? Yeah, just because I want to I want more John Kramer in that one.
Don't get me wrong. I love the first song, but just I liked the franchise more as it went along.
Well, technically he's in at the entire frickin movie.
But OK, that's true. But he's OK.
True. But he doesn't say a damn word. OK.
Fair. So like, if I had just semantics at that point.
So off the top of my head, in no particular order, my top three would be definitely.
Yeah, Saw X is officially joined that that group's Saw six.
And I can't decide between Saw five and Jigsaw.
So you know what? I'll say Jigsaw.
So so socks, socks and Jigsaw, that's my top three.
Fair. Oh, man.
But yeah, so I said that I eighty nine for first story.
Moving on over to writing. This is where this movie frickin just excels.
The right here was so damn good.
It really was like.
God, yeah.
I swear that the way that John Kramer talks about
why he puts people in these traps, has them play these games and how it's a form of rebirth for them
and just they it's something that needs to happen.
But I can't help but like, agree with him.
Like, this is some horrible shit to put people through.
But I mean, to be a better person, I guess, like if this is the only way, I guess, go for it.
Dude, it's not necessarily the only way.
It's it's probably the most effective way.
That is true, because if you've only got three minutes to save your life.
Yeah, I think you're going to really appreciate it after if you survive.
Yeah. And I think that had.
Like, I would love to see more of his interactions with the people after the trap.
Because he gets like like what he was doing with Gabriela.
OK, if there's anything I'm talking for in this movie,
it's the fact that they didn't even attempt to change their names.
Yeah, that's fair.
Wait, like, come on.
I'm like, you didn't even like attempt.
That's con artists 101.
Like, yeah, like, don't use your real name.
Like, I understand, like the the the main lady having to use her real name, but everyone else.
Yeah, like you're doing something illegal.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, so if there's anything I'm talking for, it's that.
But what point was I trying to make?
I guess I try. You got me, man. Sorry.
No. So what I would say with oh, with Gabriela, he.
He was like he was sending Amanda on her way to get medical attention.
And like that's something that I would have liked to see more of, which is like how what happens after?
Like, I would love to see, like, Amanda's story, like after her trap.
Yeah, I can agree.
They definitely kind of expand on it and saw two and three, but I would love to see more.
I mean, yeah, a little bit, though.
It's it's not as much as I would like for them to.
No, that's fair. I mean, honestly, I feel the same way with Hoffman.
Like, I know that what what happened to him personally, that's what drove him into working with John Kramer.
But like, yeah, I would love frickin just a movie dedicated to not only Amanda, but a movie dedicated to Hoffman.
Yeah, those should be the next two saw movies.
Those should I like at least I don't know.
I don't know if they would warrant like a full blown film, but I would love to see like a short about it, at least.
That's right. Yeah. Like just just give us some backstory on the apprentices of Jigsaw.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, the writing here was like was perfect because it's like
what I what I like about Kramer, it's never about like revenge.
It's people that he sees doing wrong.
And. Correcting it, but like doing something to them that's like related to whatever, like their sin was.
Yeah. Like how like with Mateo having to drill into his head, it was that he was playing an anesthetic or anesthesiologist.
He wasn't. Yeah. And then.
Valentina was like drawing blood or was supposed to be the person that drew his blood, but wasn't.
It was. I love like the tie ins.
And then the same thing with like what was her name, Cecilia or Dr.
Peterson, like how her thing was these two people that work together having to combat each other.
And you see how both how both paths would have worked.
Like because in that it was very much them like it was it was both versions were a competition.
One was just like a straight up fight to the death.
And that's like what they ended up going for.
And then the other one was like a jigsaw trap where it was like, hey, they're trapped down and they have to pull their
trigger to like drown the other one.
So like interesting, interesting concepts.
I will say, though, I did not expect the whole make it was the poster, the whole eyeball trap with the tubes.
I did not expect that to not even be included in the the actual game that those people were playing.
And also the fact that it was just him like thinking about an idea for a game was
it wasn't actually a frickin it didn't actually take place.
I will say I did appreciate that, though.
No, I did, too.
I mean, because that was a cool ass trap.
It was a sick trap, dude.
Dude's a frickin idiot for doing that shit one at a time.
I would have been like crank all the way up to five.
No, no, seriously.
Like, come on, man.
Like, dude, what it's like, all I have to do is turn this
and like something bad's going to happen to me.
Like with each knob twist, it doesn't like stopped each one.
That would that would blow.
Yeah, I'd be like, all right, bet.
Crank it.
See, you say that now, but if you were put into his shoes, would you like.
After I found out what the first one did.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right.
Like if I the first one breaks my pinky.
Yeah. Guess what I'm doing the next go round all the way up to five.
All right. Fair enough.
I'm not going, oh, like frickin frickin out about the first one
and then go and next one.
Oh, like I'm not pulling.
I'm not I'm not about that shit.
Like I will frickin break all my fingers at one time.
Caleb's got some big old balls.
Apparently, honestly, it's that's not even like close to the case.
I'm such a frickin bitch when it comes to pain.
It's just like if I know that pain is going to be part of the equation,
I will get all of it done in one go.
That's not a dude. That's fair.
That is that is completely fair.
The traps that I could like, there are some traps where it's like
that I just straight up could not do.
I think the cut my leg off.
I don't know if I'd have the wherewithal to do to pull that shit off.
Same thing with like drilling into my head.
But I also know that like.
People do have brain surgery when they're awake.
So it's like, does it hurt that much?
I know they're like, man, let's see.
Make an appointment and let me know how it goes, OK?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it's like I know that they're under anesthesia for for that
or just like they're numbed up to like no end.
Yeah, it's like once they they can't numb your brain.
That is true.
That was good.
So I'm assuming the brain doesn't have any nerve endings.
Yeah, yeah, I would assume that too.
So I think
to that one hurt my head.
Like I was I was like sitting there just like no.
We freaking Mateo's trap.
Absolutely the hell not.
Do freaking the eyeball one hurt my eyes.
I mean, shocker.
But like I expected because like, I don't know.
My thought was just like, oh, you know, if you can't beat the time
or like acid gets poured down the tubes and, you know, goes into your eyes.
No, I thought too. Right.
No, a frickin vacuum just sucks up your eyeballs. I know.
Frickin like.
I got to say, I'm impressed with the suction of that vacuum.
Oh, I'm too.
It's got it's got to be a Dyson, right?
That's exactly what I was going to say.
Bastard took my joke.
Sorry, man.
But yeah, this is one I the writing is higher.
So the writing is definitely cracking 90s for me.
Yeah. So where are you sitting with writing?
I would say I'm probably at like just.
Just because it was just so, so good.
I'm going to go in 92.
I might be like one point higher.
It's like sitting there.
Hell, yeah.
I was going to go with the 92, but I think after hearing you say 92,
I'm just like it felt low.
I know.
No, just just say you want to one up, Rose.
It's all good. No, I did want to one up you.
It was it was seriously.
I was thinking like, OK, I'm going with the 92.
And it's like, have you like, you know how it is?
Like I said it out or you said it out loud.
And so I'm like, seems low.
Not do that. Not do that. I get it. I get it.
All right.
I'm moving on over to acting.
We have Tobin Bell, who played John Kramer slash Jigsaw.
We have Shawnee Smith, who played Amanda Young.
We have.
It's a long name, Senove.
Senove.
Senove and Makoti Lund, who played Cecilia Peterson.
So she was like the main doctor.
We have Renata Vaca or Vaca who played Gabriela.
We have Octavio.
You know, Hossa, you know, I think it's a NOSA.
Thank you, silence. Yeah, silent.
There's a weird frickin name.
But anyway, and also who played Mateo.
Paulette Hernandez, who played Valentina.
Stephen Brand, who played Parker Sears.
Joshua Akamoto, who played Diego.
And then a small cameo from Costas Mandelor, who played Mark Hoffman.
Yeah, buddy.
All right. So I think we're if I'm like 99 percent sure
our top two is the same.
Yeah, I'm sure.
Yeah. So number one, I think we're both given a Tobin.
Oh, yeah. Hands down.
Yeah, he is just he's fantastic.
He he has made this franchise.
There's no franchise without him.
No, there's not. He's frickin Jigsaw.
And the fact that this movie got to bring him to the top
bring him back into the forefront just made me so frickin happy.
And this is to me his best performance in this entire franchise.
Like, absolutely incredible.
They he did so frickin well in this, like, oh, man, I can't get over it.
Right. So so good.
I cannot wait to see this movie again just to watch how amazing
his performance is, like the first 30 minutes, especially like his
performance is great throughout.
But that first 30 minutes of him, you know, like finding out about
the procedure and going to get it, you know, finding out that it's it's all a scam.
His acting is so on point.
He's frickin phenomenal.
Like, it's just like it's the subtleties in his acting, too.
Yeah. Like, I love that.
He he shows such a control,
like a control of his emotions in in this film,
like when he's going through and he's like discovering
that everything that he experienced was fake.
It wasn't like like he has that moment where he like smashes
that that bottle of tequila.
But it's just like.
You could see that he's just he's like fuming.
But he still has like that that fortitude to know that they
everyone that was there in those games deserved a second chance.
And it like friggin loved it, like it's just like such a subtle performance,
but so frickin powerful, too.
Yeah, I absolutely agree.
Then I'm assuming you're given number two to Shawnee Smith. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
I frickin loved having her back as Amanda.
Honestly, I feel she does not age.
She looks really looks the same as she did, especially in the third one.
There is only one problem I have with her in this movie.
I haircut. Yep. That's the only problem.
Because I like that the hair was distracting, right?
Because I went back and I looked at like images between saw one and saw two.
She never had that haircut.
Like it was it was either longer or kind of like like messy.
So so it was still longer than this, but like it was kind of like messy.
Like this one. No, this wasn't even messy.
It's it didn't work for Amanda.
I hated it. But this is like Stranger Things level bad haircut, dude.
Right. I mean, this this definitely comes more like would that more
come more into costumes?
I am throwing it in costumes. Yes. OK.
So looking past that.
Yeah, costumes, I'm counting like
it's like makeup, their outfits and hair.
OK, that's what I that's that's what I personally throw into.
No, no, that's no, I definitely agree. I just want to make sure.
But looking past that, like frickin absolutely phenomenal.
She does. She has not missed a beat since she left the franchise and saw three
and the the dynamic that they add even more so
to the relationship between her and John and just how much he needs to her,
how much she owes his life to him,
like how it honestly feels like.
You can either say a father, daughter or a grandchild.
A daughter or a granddaughter, grandfather relationship like either or.
I don't really care which way you want to say it.
It just like it just feels so natural between those two
and just seeing their relationship,
seeing us be able to even understand their relationship even more in this movie.
I freaking loved.
So, yeah, she was absolutely fantastic.
Loved seeing her return.
Dude, same here.
I loved the.
The points that she or like the.
What was going to say?
The the sympathy that she has towards Gabriella
being like a drug addict and pointing that like bringing that up to Kramer
and him being like that she needs this.
Like and.
Like if her if she values her life enough, she will do it.
Like she will make it through this and she will be better off for it.
And you could tell that she was struggling with that because she I think
I genuinely think that she would have let Gabriella go.
Oh, yeah. Kramer not been there.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And like and for how broken up she is when
and oh, my God, Cecilia.
Yes, Cecilia breaks her neck, breaks Gabriella's neck.
Dude, that was that was hard to watch
because you have the fact that like John John's literally about to, you know, be
put into his own trap and he's still adamant on no Gabriella
needs to get to the hospital. She won her game.
She she deserves to get the medical help that she that that that is needed.
Yeah, dude, I.
Gosh, this is why I freaking love Jigsaw,
because like I've never really liked people or like the slashers
where it's like the the villain or.
Like the baddie kills just to kill.
Like it's it's not a motivation that I care for.
And yes, I am throwing Michael in that.
Oh, no, I figured his his motivations are weak as shit.
But like, just because he like wants to kill, I'm like, yeah, don't like that.
It like.
Interesting. A a I love rough justice.
And like, this is kind of why I have a real soft spot for like the Punisher.
Because it's like, that's exactly what he he does.
It he's getting justice.
A little harsh, but he's getting justice.
And to share.
Yeah, so it's like it's the same thing.
Like for me, I view Jigsaw as just like
a more disturbed Punisher.
I like that.
That's a cool way to look at it.
Yeah, where I mean, I'm pretty sure John Kramer, like would it would like
Punisher would see his shit and be like, damn.
I'm not that after.
Like, shit, I'll just shoot him in the face, man.
Like save 99% of this trouble.
Yeah, so.
Loved her. I love the.
The empathy that she has and just the way that her and John were able to discuss
why she needs to be part of her own game.
And hers was rough as shit, dude.
Oh, yeah.
Like she she was the first one to be like, oh, yeah, she was the first one to be like,
she she was the first one to try out to be assigned the reverse bear trap.
So.
I wasn't talking about Amanda, I was talking about Gabriela.
Oh, my bad. I'm sorry.
I thought I'm Amanda's game.
Yeah, I know it was freaking rough, but yeah.
Yeah, dude, seriously, what Cecilia is just like, oh, break your break your leg first.
So you'll swing out of the out of the way of the radiation and
for breaks are like all of a sudden it pauses for a minute.
And then the frickin fan or whatever,
whatever the hell it's called, literally just moves down to where she's at.
I'm just like, well, ain't that bad a bitch.
Dude, I.
That logic didn't like fly with me.
All right, fair, because I was like, no, because think about it.
She breaks her hand first.
She's going down to the ground.
Oh, yeah, that's true.
God damn it. Yeah, that's got to think of that.
This is why I would I know I would not survive this.
I depend.
It's honestly depending on the trap.
Dude, I do do I would just hope that we are thrown into one together
because I'm like, leave me all up to you for us when it comes to survival.
I'll try my best, but I ain't going to be that helpful.
Yeah, but I was when she did it, like when Cecilia did, like swing out of the way,
I was like, OK, good, like, like what?
What's already happened to her is frickin rough.
And the frickin radiation, they started moving.
I was like, no frickin way.
I mean, honestly, I felt the same way.
I'm just like, oh, well, ain't that bad a bitch.
But I'm like, OK, wait a minute.
Yeah, no, John Kramer wouldn't have.
She he wouldn't have let her get off that easy.
Not not just like, oh, hey, you know, you only have to deal with one.
You only have to deal with it in one position.
You know, after that, it will be easy to break the other part of your body
to get out of the out of the shackled.
No, she's going to have to deal with that shit for both.
So I want to know what what the plan was if she did break her hand first.
Because then she would have fallen to the ground.
Then what does it like follow her down to the ground?
Because then she can like, I'm assuming, move out of the way.
Yeah, I don't know.
One way or another, it was going to find it would.
I don't know if.
One way or another, she was I don't know where the hell I'm going with.
Yeah, I was.
That's when I started getting a little suspicious of Cecilia
being like, hmm, that doesn't math.
Yeah, that didn't even click in my head.
Yeah, like I said, I'd be screwed if I was in a sawdust.
Yeah.
All right. Who's your number three going to?
Number three, I got to give to
Sunit Sunovay,
Makoti Lund, I'm sorry for butchering her name so bad.
I played Cecilia because I honestly at the beginning, the way she just felt so
it truly felt like she cared for these patients that she was taking.
And she believed in what she was doing.
She was doing it.
I mean, yes, she was doing it.
She was doing it, I mean, yes, she was charging a shit ton of money.
But what she was doing felt genuine.
It felt like she was, you know, an actually good person for what she was doing.
But then just you find out how like conniving and honestly, just how much of a bitch
she really is and just I freaking loved it.
And she sold it so freaking well.
She was so fantastic.
Like honestly, like, you know, like we read, she dies.
But like, I would have actually loved to see her more and more of this franchise
because, yeah, she freaking killed it and both being sympathetic and understanding
and then.
Switching to the whole like, oh, no, I'm actually a bitch and, you know,
I don't care about anybody and do.
Yeah, good on her for freaking true.
Dude, yeah, good on her for freaking tripling down.
There, yeah, like when she was just like.
Hey, sucks to suck, I was like, damn.
And then like.
Like how, dude, it's just like how vindictive she was.
I've done. Good Lord.
Like, are you serious?
Like. You're still on Team
like, hey, they like like I did what I had to do.
Like, are you shit me?
You just saw someone saw their leg off
and then get their head chopped off, which, dude, that was bullshit.
She was so freaking close.
Yeah, no, seriously.
Like, come on.
And. Dude, I felt for freaking Mateo, too,
as like, yeah, you're right there.
You are right there, man.
Mateo is an extra 30 seconds.
He did. Mateo was the one like out of all of them that like
I honestly hated that he didn't win.
I really wish that he would have won
because I feel for the most part in this franchise,
there's at least one character that you can actually feel sympathetic for
that you're really rooting for them to win their game.
He's definitely for it.
He's definitely the one for me. Yeah.
I was team.
Gabriella and like, let's see, she made it through.
And but when she went and snapped her neck, I was like, damn it.
Yeah, bitch.
Yeah, I was not thrilled.
I will say, though, I got my fourth shocker would go to frickin if I.
And he gets one line, but I don't care.
I'm given for to cost this Mandalore.
I frickin almost like jumped out of my seat in excitement
when he frickin showed up back on screen and Mark Hoffman.
And because I don't think I've said this on the podcast,
Mark Hoffman is my favorite Saw character.
I love Detective Hoffman so much throughout this franchise.
So any time that like not any time with the fact that like we get a T,
not even a teaser, just like just just a glimpse of him and how
he's been working with John Kramer for a lot longer than we thought.
It just so good.
I felt like I honestly wanted to be like a little school girl
and jump out of my seat, and I never thought I'd say that with a Saw movie.
But like I've seen like frickin like on Tick Tock,
like screenings of people like clap and be like, whoo, they're so excited.
Yeah, my frickin audience got no reaction.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that knew who he was.
Makes sense. Was your how how crammed was your theater?
Not that much.
There was a couple in front of me, which they would not start.
Stop whispering throughout the whole movie was annoying as hell.
And then there were a couple of people behind me.
So not that big, which shocker to Utah.
Yeah, I feel like horror movies don't do well in in Utah.
No, because I was surprised there was only one other guy in my theater.
Do that. Yeah, that really shocks me for Georgia.
Yeah. And I don't know if it's Tuesday.
I know, right?
I no frickin clue what happened there, but
it was like, like, I so I did a double feature today.
I went to go see Paw Patrol with Iris.
And that theater was like completely empty.
Like it was just us.
Yeah, so I was like,
Iris likes to get up and like run around and whatever.
And I was just like, yeah, whatever.
Usually I'm just like, I worked out in your favor.
Yeah. So like,
I don't know if it just wasn't keeping her attention or what,
but or she's just feeling like extra energy or whatever.
But yeah, she was like running around all over the place.
I'm just like, man, whatever. Screw it. Yeah.
And then I mean, it's a kids movie.
Come on, that's that's inevitable. Yeah.
And I'll share some stories like there's a couple of stories from this one.
I'm kind of excited to share.
But we'll get into that next week. Spoiler.
It's going to be so awkward for Rose when he goes to see this.
Just yeah, good freaking luck.
But you know what?
Caleb Caleb's wife, Brielle gave me some great pointers.
I don't know why I have to say Caleb's wife, Brielle.
She's a good friend of mine, so I don't know why I have to say that.
Brielle gave me some really good players of what to do.
So I think I can make this look less awkward. I think the key that honestly,
this is if I did not have a kid at like if we if OK, if I didn't have a kid,
we wouldn't be doing this movie. But.
If you just want to watch me suffer, don't you?
No, no, no. Listen, like if if for what, like whatever reason,
we decided to do this movie, had I not had a kid
and we were still like choosing to do Paw Patrol,
what I would do is I would purchase a ticket for a different movie.
I am not sneaking in to know I'm not doing that shit.
You're not sneaking. Why?
Because no, I'm I am not getting caught
for switching movies just to see freaking Paw Patrol.
I'll take the freaking like weird looks and shit,
but I'm not getting freaking banned from American movies.
From American for Cinemark.
It's not like just a check.
Do you never know?
They're knowing my luck,
it's the day that they're very strict on that shit.
They're not going to be that strict.
And the only thing that would suck is if they were on two
completely different ends of the theater.
And then the ticket person's like, oh, yeah, over to your left.
And you're just like, OK, cool.
And then just walk up to the right to to to.
And. Hard right.
Sir, I said on your left, oh, sorry, I'm I'm backwards today.
Apologies. I literally have to get on my hands and knees
and just crawl to the other side.
No, I'm not doing that.
Like I all I will make this work.
I will make it look less awkward for a 27 year old
going into a frickin G rated kids movie.
I can't wait to hear this story next week.
Oh, my God.
Let I do. I am like I'm going to see the latest showing that I can.
But knowing my frickin luck, there's still going to be a bunch of kids and adults.
And I'm just going to be the frickin loner.
Twenty seven year old loner in the back with my hoodie up.
Do you actually know I'm not going to not put your hoodie up?
Never mind. Take it. Yeah, take that.
I don't even you know what?
I don't even wear a long sleeve shirt.
Yeah, yeah. I'm not even aware. A jacket.
I don't care if it's cold.
That's going to make it look even more suspicious. OK.
I want you to wear like a bright colored shirt, like short sleeve shirt.
Like do not frickin go wear a hoodie in the back.
Yeah, yeah, this is this is a suspicious.
This is a wear a bright or like a lighter colored shirt, not like pink or whatever,
but just like a brighter colored shirt, like like this color, like frickin like the gray.
Like this is like that's great.
I thought it was blue.
No, it's just my shitty lighting.
Yeah. So the frickin gray.
So where the like a frickin gray shirt, a light colored shirt, nothing dark.
Got it. Like if you even think that is this dark, it's too dark.
Got it. A short sleeve shirt.
Honestly, if you can get away with shorts,
frickin wear shorts.
I'm not wearing shorts.
OK, fine. My legs are way too white.
OK, fine. Then jeans and you have to sit in like the front row.
Not like the very front.
You just need to sit somewhere near the front.
OK, got it.
Like I will say.
Depending on the layout, like is it's no, they have the recliners, huh?
Yeah, I'm literally going to text you as I'm buying takes to be like, OK,
if I sit right here, is this suspicious?
The closer to the double come from the better.
OK, closer to the aisle.
OK, closer to the aisle, because then I'm going to be like,
all the parents of whatever are going to want to sit behind you
to make sure that you're not doing any creepy shit.
If you're sitting in the back, they're going to go and report you.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, hey, can we get a refund on these tickets?
You're going to you're you're going to mess up someone's movie night.
You know, it's really sad that I like I mean, I hope that none of this shit
like actually comes to fruition, but it's really sad that we have
that like someone has to come up with a plan
to not make yourself look like a frickin excuse my language, pedophile
going to see a kids movie like
what if I actually was a big fan of Paw Patrol?
Like I'm just saying.
I mean, you're right.
I love this rant that you're going on, though.
Why can't a frickin grown ass man go and watch Paw Patrol
if he wants to without people frickin being judgy?
That's all I'm saying.
This is, dude, I feel the exact same way if they ever made like a bluey movie.
Like, come on, like, yeah, like, why can't I'm why can't a late
20s year old guy who likes so-called show go and enjoy watching the movie in theaters?
Why does he feel like he has to wait until it comes to streaming to actually enjoy it?
Like he has to watch it at his home.
He can't go to the theaters and enjoy
one of his favorite shows on the big screen.
Yeah, bluey bluey is a little bit more understandable than Paw Patrol.
All right, fair.
Because you'd be surprised how many bluey adult fans there are.
A frickin ton.
I am a I am part of like this
bluey fan page thing on Facebook.
And yeah, it is mostly adults.
And. Yeah, I'll follow.
I'll fully admit I am part.
They're the worst.
Hey, that's rude.
Dude, they're bad.
Really? Any time someone like even kind of tries to critique
a bluey episode, like they get ripped into asshole.
Really? Yeah, it's bad.
It's like really frickin bad.
But anyway, that is neither here nor there.
We are talking about frickin it's all.
So I am acting right now. Yeah. Yeah.
So who's your third?
My third, I think I'm going to give to.
Damn it, I was going to give it to Mateo, but I think I'm with you.
I'm with.
Sanova or Sanova, however you say her frickin name.
I thought she gave a really, really good performance.
And went from someone who is like really frickin likable
to someone that was just the worst.
Like, honestly, she becomes the person.
This is like, I hope that you I wish that you'd get put into the worst trap
that John Kramer ever created and just hope that you won.
I hope you don't survive.
And also at the same time, I hope that it malfunctions
and you die a worse death than he ever planned for.
My.
My only no, my only issue with her
is that she.
Didn't get put in like a really intense trap,
but she is going to end up having like dying slowly.
So I guess that's like.
Makes up for it. Yeah.
Slow and painful deaths are always enjoyable for characters you hate.
Yeah.
So where are you sitting at with acting?
Where are you sitting at with acting?
Like, honestly, this is like one of those saw movies that like all of
even like the people that are put into the game, like all of them are likable.
Like even though like I see even still like Valentina,
even though she was kind of a bitch,
I still liked her character.
So. Like, I mean,
Cecilia was also a bitch, but I feel.
Out of out of all of them,
Valentina definitely won, she was the first person to have the game tested on her.
But also, I feel like she had like the least to do out of the ones
put into the game.
But yeah, like looking past that, like I said,
all of them were great.
Amanda was fantastic.
John was fantastic.
And Frickin having Hoffman back for just that little glimpse was fantastic.
So honestly, I'm in the 90s with this one, too.
Maybe a little lower than writing.
So.
Well, actually, you know what?
No, I'm no, I'm higher than writing.
I'm going to I'm going to Matt, I'm going to go with your writing score.
I'm going to go in 93.
I'm going a little on the lower end.
I wasn't super impressed with some of the extras.
Like if Valentina and Gabriella, like they were good, don't get me wrong.
But. I mean, I just wasn't super impressed with them outside of the games.
That's God damn it.
You know, you son of a bitch.
Yeah, I hate you because, OK, all right, I want to hear your score first,
but I'm yeah, I'm getting knocked down.
Yeah, I'm sitting at a 90.
Yeah, I'm going to go a 91.
You bitch.
No, because I'm remembering I did not like the way that
the performance that Gabriella puts on.
Like, I don't know, just like I know it's supposed to seem like so genuine.
You feel bad for her. But like I really did not.
I actually liked it when she when we actually saw her true colors
of her being a drug addict.
And so that probably sounds effed up.
Yeah, but yeah, so I I got a docket for that.
Fair. All right.
Next up, we got logic.
So this is just making sure that the film
that with this being a horror movie, we can't really do character development
because there's not a whole lot of character growth within these movies.
And just because they don't have character growth doesn't mean that they're not.
Good.
So we're talking about like the logic and making sure that these movies
stayed within their own logic
and nothing was like out of place, out of character, whatever the case may be.
I will say I was totally prepared to knock this one down
because I thought Kramer got one upped.
But yeah, that's fair.
But knowing that he like planned for that, I was like,
that's pretty frickin good.
Yeah. Like I appreciate that.
You know, with when, you know, John Kramer was still doing his work,
he always made these games winnable.
There was always a way to win these.
You weren't just automatically screwed.
And as you know, later installments came along,
especially when Hoffman was in the driver's seat.
There were many times that there was absolutely no way
that you could have released yourself from the trap in the time that you were given.
Given because I feel like I'm pretty sure with every single
saw trap that Hoffman was in charge of, they only got 60 seconds.
And I mean, that was a piece of shit.
That's what I love about him.
Dude, I hated that he never went through a frickin trap.
I mean, he did. He did go through a saw trap.
Did he had the? Yeah, no, he had it.
He was strapped to a chair and it was kind of like the whole thing.
Like basically it was.
So imagine the verse bear trap, like, you know, you're strapped to a seat.
You have that over your head.
Hoffman, the way.
OK, give me a minute, because I want to talk to you.
Because I need to explain the the.
That kind of trap that he was in.
They already watched all B rewatching these movies.
So which which one is this in? Is this in six?
No, this.
So we get a so we get a flashback
to the type of saw trap that
he was in, and it's either in two or I think it's in four
that were given the flashback to what trap he was in.
OK, so.
Oh, so it actually looks like it showcases it in Saw Five.
So his oh, that's what it was.
So, yeah, he was strapped to a chair and he had a shotgun in front of him.
So like not the most original trap.
This was definitely
when Kramer was still getting his footing.
And I feel that because this the post credit scene
and showcases that Hoffman and Kramer have been working together
since after Saw One,
that even more so showcases to me that he that Kramer was still getting
his footing when it came to the way that he the type of traps
that he put people through.
But yeah, basically it was it was just a shotgun pointed at his at his throat.
And I forget how long he had to,
you know, release himself from the shackles.
But during this whole time, it's he's literally just in Kramer's office
and it's Kramer talking to him.
OK, so so that's that's that's Hoffman's trap that he was in.
Fair. All right. So.
You would know this a little bit better than I would.
Do you think that this kept pretty in line
with the continuity set up in the previous films?
I yes, I absolutely do.
Especially when it came to John Kramer's progression of his cancer,
because I'm remembering that in Saw Two, because like throughout this one,
you can tell that, you know, like he's stumbling to stay on his feet.
You know, he's walking slower.
And in Saw Two, he's actually on a breathing treatment.
He Amanda has to wheel him around in a wheelchairs.
And a wheelchairs and saw three.
Now, I think in Saw Three, she has to actually start
wheeling him around in a wheelchair. He can't really move.
Maybe it's in two as well.
Sorry, it's been a little bit since I've seen those.
But just the fact the fact that I'm remembering him
being having to start being on a breathing treatment
and the cancer is just getting worse as two and three take place.
So the fact that this one takes place between the first and second
and you can clearly see that the cancer is starting to really spread
and you can see the effects that it's having on his on his stability.
Yeah, I feel this like nails continuity with
not only the like the franchise as a whole,
but especially his his is cancer.
OK. Yeah, I'm trying to think of any like instance or anything
that like fell outside of the realm of disbelief.
But I think they kept pretty in line with everything.
Yeah, it was all like really solid and really, really well done.
Agreed. So honestly, I see no issue putting this like.
I'm putting it at ninety one.
And the reason I'm going to put it that low
is because I feel like there were too many instances
where it seemed like people stopped feeling pain.
Like with Valentina chopping her leg off, like I think she should have been
like in complete and utter agony the entire time.
It felt like she was stuck.
Maybe I mean, it could also just be I would love
to get a doctor's react to saw.
That's fair. The only no, I completely understand where you're coming from.
The only like excuse I could think of just maybe.
I mean, honestly, you'd be amazed of what you don't feel when you have adrenaline
pumping through your blank through your veins.
So maybe as the adrenaline started kicking in more, she felt less.
And so that's why she was able to start cutting a lot faster.
You know what? That's a fair point.
Did I just talk to you?
I think you might have talked to me up a little bit.
Well, I'm going to I was originally going to give it a ninety five.
OK, I think I'm going to meet at the middle and give in ninety three now.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
So I got to match it.
All right. Next up, we got a fax.
So this is all the seem to all be practical.
Yeah, in some way, shape or form, like
other than like maybe Valentina's.
Or there was a lot of stuff that seemed like it was practical.
Like if it if any of this was CGI, it didn't look like it.
It did not. I feel one thing that I love to watch for
in horror movies is when someone gets decapitated and you actually see the head
and like how not only close it looks to the the person, but also
like like say, like the paleness of the skin, since, you know, it's
it's lost the blood from the body and just the way that it looks.
And I feel this is definitely one of the ones that like has looked
the best that I've seen
in a good long while.
Valentina's severed head looked fantastic.
Dude, they've been able to frickin nail that shit.
Yeah, I know. It gets better and better over the years.
Because like there's like some movies thinking that that was like,
it's kind of hard to like, like see the Chucky when one of the guys gets
decapitated. It looks good.
Don't get me wrong. But like there were just some things on the head
that I'm just like that.
You're it doesn't exactly match the features that I remember
actually being on that guy's face.
Yeah, I'm like even thinking back like
the replicas that they're able to create, like,
have you seen the ones that they created for Guardians of the Galaxy, volume three?
Yeah, dude.
Dude, those ones were nuts.
Dude, yeah, that one that they created for Chris Pratt, that was like scary, realistic, like
yeah, that kind of freaked me the hell out.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, I mean, I think it was a little bit scary.
It freaked me the hell out. Yeah, it was like breathing and shit.
Yeah, like, no.
Yeah, hell no.
Yeah, I can't think of a single thing that didn't look good in this.
No, dude, the frickin I feel like one that especially stands out for me
is the frickin like blood, blood, bloodboarding.
That shit was insane.
And honestly, it was frickin hard to not only watch
a little kid being being not not not waterboarded, but bloodboarded.
It was hard to watch him, but I feel not taken away from the kid.
I feel it was especially harder to watch Kramer
be bloodboarded and just how much he was struggling to even catch his breath,
which, you know, of course, that's how it is with being waterboarded.
But yeah, that that the that looked frickin amazing.
All of the traps were so good here.
I will sit like, sorry, I'm a safe.
Well, actually, we know I can put this in effects.
Like I will say, this is probably not like I can't say any of these traps
are my favorite, maybe like the eyeball one, because that one just looks so frickin cool.
Or the glass tubes connected.
That one was rough to watch because it's like the eyeball started like changing color
and then went out of his head.
I'm like, like that.
That actually, you know, I take that back.
That is that is actually probably up there for me now with saw traps.
But when it comes to like the traps that these people were put in,
like it's it's nothing groundbreaking when it comes to the franchise.
But I'm not saying that they were they were not great traps.
They were absolutely great traps.
It's just throughout the whole show, I think,
throughout the whole franchise, the bar has been raised so many times
that I feel it's OK that some of these didn't measure up to what we've seen
in previous franchises, because I feel that these traps felt more personal.
Oh, absolutely.
And I'll take more personal traps over more like complicated traps
and like all day, every day.
No, that's absolutely fair.
But yeah, just. Like all of the blood looked great.
Severed limbs looked great.
The traps were just as great as always.
They said, like we talked about, even if you hate a saw movie,
you're going to at least enjoy one trap.
There's got to be at least one trap that you enjoy watching,
maybe not enjoy watching.
That's probably not a great thing to say.
I think we get what you're what you're trying to say.
OK. There's a lot of stuff that you can't do.
OK, there's there's an artistry to the simplicity in these traps.
Like there's just like an artistic touch
that this film has that I will say, like the ones with more complicated traps
don't. Yeah, fair enough.
So, I mean, yeah, it's super simple, not very complicated, like
I'm thinking like with Valentina, like hers was was super basic.
Mateo's was basic.
Gabriella's was pretty basic.
It was just basic, but like you said, personal.
Yeah. And that's that makes it so much better.
Yeah, agreed.
So I think one complaint that I've had, like other saw movies
or just maybe just slashers in general is that they tend to go
a little crazy with the blood.
This I don't feel they did at all.
I know they had just the right amount of blood.
Yeah. No, no, you're absolutely out of point,
because like frickin like saw the final chapter,
that movie goes frickin insane with blood.
And it sucks because because that film was shot in 3D,
the blood comes across as pink and not red.
And so you don't you don't believe for a second that it's actually blood.
You know, that always sucks. Yeah.
So, yeah, I'm glad that they they went this this route
and didn't like I will say there's some areas where I feel like they could have used more
namely with like Mateo's trap, because he was like sawing into his head.
I think that they could have used a bit more,
but I'm kind of glad that they didn't.
Fair. That's fair.
So it is like a fine line to walk.
I know it's like I'm bitching that like, oh, sometimes they do too much.
But this one, there wasn't quite enough.
I know I freaking sound like Goldilocks here with blood, but
there's there's a happy medium.
And here I think it was slightly on the low side,
but I will I would take it on the low side rather than the high side.
Yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, all of the
the traps and like the effects that they had like looked super brutal
and realistic, so no real complaints there.
Again, I think this is I'm in the the 90s with this one, too.
Yeah, I can definitely agree.
This one, I think I'm sitting there like ninety four.
Do you consider that we both agree on the effects?
Like, I think I have to agree with you. I'm sorry.
All right. Next up, we got music.
And this this theme song, it did it did exactly
what I thought it was going to.
So I found something out interesting.
That I can't believe I didn't know this about the franchise, that every single
ending song that we get that, you know, like leads into the big conclusion of the movie.
Not only is it choreographed by Charlie Clauser for every single song movie,
he's done it for every single one.
But it they're labeled as like ZEP one, ZEP two, ZEP three.
It's for out through all of the franchise, all the movies.
It's just ZEP one.
And then followed by the number that that that that entry is.
Why is it called ZEP?
Because the first trap that we see in a song or is it in SOTU?
No, no, it's in SOTU.
The first like like person that plays a tape is is ZEP.
And so the classic Hello ZEP, I want to play a game.
That's that's where that comes from.
OK, so.
I dig it.
Yeah, I mean, this soundtrack isn't.
I I I would be real hesitant at giving this a 10.
I could not give it a 10.
I cannot know, did same.
I can give it a nine just as I mean, honestly, for like, don't I don't like if you want to
give it a name, I'm fine with that. Like the only thing that boosts me up to a nine is
the classic ending frickin theme that showcases, oh, this is like the big shocker ending that
you're getting.
You know, we're going to throw a bunch of twists and turns at you and yeah,
it's the exact same thing in every song movie, but I freaking love it.
So like if you want to give an eight totally fine with it.
If you want to give it a nine, I can do that to whatever you're at.
I'll be at I'm I'm sitting at an eight.
I as much as that like pains me, I think personally, I'm at like a nine, but I think
being like critical one banger doesn't make for a frickin amazing soundtrack.
That's fair.
That's like it's just amazing song at that point.
The the rest of the soundtrack, it was decent.
I'm talking about like some of the other audio.
Oh, speaking of the audio, I really appreciated that this film did not have jump scares.
Yes, like even one frickin Amanda is like getting all of the.
All the people together for the game.
There were no jump scares for her in the pig mask.
And I appreciate that so much, especially when she's like about to grab Cecilia.
I'm like, I know she's going to literally be right behind her.
She's just going to jump out.
No, I love that.
She's checking her security cameras.
All of a sudden she she she sees the shot of her roof.
There's Amanda.
A rock comes flying through down to where she is.
Bam.
That's and she kind of just runs off a little bit.
But Amanda catches her no jump scare.
This is how I said it.
It had the build up of a jump scare, but not like the full execution.
Yes.
Yeah.
Like it had like the build up, like the tension.
Like so when Cecilia is going through her house and it's she's going like searching
through all her like security cameras and then she gets on that one where she sees like
the figure on her roof.
They could have easily just been like click, click, click.
And then like, oh, she sees something.
Boom.
And then.
Like they could have easily done that, but they had the build up.
So it's like it was cool.
It was dead silent for like a majority of the scene.
And then you see she's walk like you see her walking on the roof and it's not just in the
walk like you see her walking on the roof and it's not just instant like you see like
a figure standing there and then boom, break.
It's you see her walk boom, break.
And so it's like it gives you enough time to react to it, but not be like, like have
it take you off guard.
Yeah.
And it was the same thing with like Mateo because Mateo was like in a was a vet and
he was stealing drugs to give to Gabriella.
But Mateo is like searching in this hallway, like looking around and whatever.
And what could easily have been just like the I don't know, the pig mask scream and
like like like that whole deal.
You see Amanda like running and it's like quiet.
So it's like you build it.
It kind of like reduces your heart rate enough because you're just like, OK, I know
it's coming and then it's boom, then loud noise.
Yeah.
So I think it would have been something like if you're not paying attention, it would
have. Yeah, it would have felt like a jump scare.
But if you are paying attention, it's not.
Yeah. Yeah, that's absolutely fair.
So I think that that's what's pushing me at like up to an eight.
I think soundtrack alone, I'm at a seven.
As much of a banger as the saw theme song is like, I couldn't give it any higher than
a seven.
But the use of silences and audio and like the proper build up for jumpscare is like
jumpscares or jumps like jumpscare lights, I'll call them flawless.
So I'll say that bumps me up to an eight.
All right.
Oh, yeah.
All right.
Next up, we got costumes.
And I got to say, this is kind of where the movie let me down.
That's that's fair.
I feel that the soft franchise has never really been known for like huge costumes.
I mean, you of course get the classic pig mask and the the black and red robe.
Then I guess you could say, you know, Billy the puppet.
But other than that, like, you know, John Kramer doesn't wear anything special,
literally just wears basic clothes.
None of the victims of the trap wear anything special or victims of the traps wear anything
special.
So like, honestly, those are the only the only two things that I can point out are just
the classic pig mask and robe that either Amanda or John wear and Billy the puppet.
That's that's really all I can say when it comes to costumes with honestly any saw movie.
Yeah.
So this is where I think I'm throwing the movie a six.
And that's just because Billy the puppet.
That's fair.
Wow. You don't like the pig mask.
The pig mask was decent.
It's just like, yeah, that's fair.
I mean, I personally always like I always like the robes.
I like I'm a big sucker for the robes.
Like anytime Kramer's worn the robes, like I freaking love that shit.
But I don't know.
I think I would have preferred more robes.
And like I said, I think I feel like Billy should have been in a little bit more to because
I love Billy.
No, I agree.
But just I love him.
I had to stop myself from laughing like out loud at Gabrielle's reaction to Billy, where
she's just like fetal position, just like, no, not doing it.
I'm like, dude, girl, same.
Oh, man.
Loved it.
Yeah.
So.
All right.
Last up, we got our own personal score.
You want to take this one first?
Yeah, I'd love to.
Yeah, this is a good one.
I think it's a good one.
Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, this I was so excited for this entry in the Saw franchise, and it
did not let me down in the slightest.
This is the best in the franchise since Saw 6, in my opinion.
Oh, my God.
Tobin Bell is at his this is the best that he's been since his character met his end
in Saw 3 shocker.
If actually, no, honestly, this is his best performance in the whole freaking franchise.
He truly brings more not only empathy, but more dynamic to John Kramer and what he's able to do
with this character still to this day shocks me.
The return of Amanda is fantastic, minus the hair.
That's literally the only problem that I have with it.
Oh, we forgot to point out the hair and costumes.
So I'm glad that we gave it a six because I would definitely knock it because I was at a seven,
but I'm going to knock it down to a six because of that.
The hair by itself would be at a four.
True, very, very true.
They had a her return was great.
The whole the group of people that play the game was really super good.
And just the story in general, like whoever thought like, oh, a prequel between Saw 1
and 2, that's never going to work.
But the idea that they came up with here that he tries to do this cancer treatment that turns out
to be a hoax is just such a clever idea.
And the way that he goes about throwing these people into the game and them deserving to play
this game for what they did to not only him, but all of the patients that lost so much money
and they were just duped, just oh, so freaking good.
Yeah, this is truly a franchise best when it comes to Saw.
And if this is the last Saw movie for a while, I'm perfectly fine with it.
But if this reignites the franchise once again, I'm very interested to see what they do with it.
See, I only want them to touch the franchise if the movie is going to be as good as this one.
Same. Absolutely agree.
Maybe that's that maybe that's a high bar.
I'll say ballpark.
It needs to be ballpark as good as this movie.
Yeah, that yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, it's just so freaking good.
So, you know, I'm going to be at a 92.
I put in my score while you were talking and I.
Ended up giving it a 93.
Oh, I was like right there with you, dude.
I feel it's very that we just had a rarity on the podcast.
Caleb is higher on a horror movie than I am.
I just want to point out.
Yeah, where you're a sucker for Halloween, I'm a sucker for Saw.
Yeah, I love the Saw franchise and yeah, I can't.
I can't really add anything on top of what you just said.
I'm a big fan and I love what they gave us here.
It was really well done and told.
Just like the formatting, like my my highlight of this whole film is how they told the story,
giving us kind of like that short prelude into the Saw action and then just not.
Trying to like mix in the story with the Saw stuff
where other films had had done that before and I'm just.
Never been a fan of that, and so this restructuring really helped.
Reign or not reignite like cement.
My love for the Saw franchise.
Love it.
Yeah, so yeah, like I said, I'm giving it a 93.
All right, going through these categories real quick.
Starting off with story, we ended up giving this an 89.
Writing got a pretty decent bump sitting at a 92.5.
Acting came down to a 90.5.
Acting came down just a hair sitting at a 90.5.
The logic of this film ended up sitting at a 93.
The effects scored a little bit higher, sitting at 94.
The music ended up getting an eight out of 10.
Costumes ended up getting a six out of 10.
And then our personal score averaged out to a 92.5.
So with that, the final all bros letter grade for Saw X has come out to a.
OK, be.
I was.
I suppose.
I'm not.
Yeah, but I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I didn't know I was still supposed to say drum noise.
My bad.
And I'm getting a B plus.
Nice.
And definitely one of our stronger B pluses are cut off for B plus is or.
Yeah, our cut off for an A minus is 90.
And this ended up scoring an 88.93.
So it was really close.
Hell, yeah, that's awesome.
I think the thing that's really cool about this is.
Yeah, I think the thing that killed it was costumes.
That was the thing that killed this movie.
That damn hair, that damn hair.
Oh, shit.
But yeah, so like I said, it ended up scoring a B plus.
Let me find out where.
This ended up ranking.
All right.
So like we said, saw X sitting at an 88.93
has ended up below the Mitchell's versus the machines.
And this is like barely like point zero seven.
Damn.
Yeah, point zero six.
If you're going to like round up.
So yeah, it's below the Mitchell's versus the machines.
As well as Matilda, the musical, because those two are both the same score.
That's awesome.
It is below our updated score for Spider-Man Far From Home.
It is below rise of the Planet of the Apes.
It's below knives out.
And it is below Black Panther.
All right.
So I don't necessarily disagree with any of those.
I agree.
Yeah.
And then go in the opposite direction.
It is sitting above the unicorn store.
Which I know you agree with.
Oh, yeah.
Let's see if you agree with this one.
It's above Halloween 2018.
Yeah, I'm sorry.
I can't agree with that.
You can't.
No, I can't.
Dude, like you said, how saw is your franchise Halloween is mine.
And for how much I love Halloween 2018, I'm sorry.
I can't agree with that.
It's only slightly above Sox for me.
OK, but it like if it makes you feel better, it's close.
It's it's a point three percent difference.
OK.
All right.
Yeah.
All right.
It is above Luca.
Yeah.
It's above Luca.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
It is also above Top Gun Maverick.
Yeah, I can agree with that.
Yeah, same here.
Really, really good sequel, but like Sox more.
Yeah.
And then it is above Bros.
I'm honestly OK with that, too.
I know.
Dude, this is why I love our system, because it's like there's like the ones
that we disagree with, it's seriously just like micro percentages.
Yeah.
But.
Yeah, I, I, I'm digging where this is at.
I think it is well, well deserved.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But all right.
So unless you have anything else to add to this.
Yeah, that concurs.
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You can find links to everything that we do in the description.
So next week, not keeping up with the October spooky month theme whatsoever,
we will be breaking down Paw Patrol, the mighty movie.
Oh, man, this is going to be fun.
This is going to be really freaking fun.
So I've never had to be critical on a on a kids movie.
This is straight up a kids movie.
Yeah.
And we will judge it accordingly.
Like we will follow the system and I think it will work out for us.
OK, hopefully we'll see.
I'm going to trust you.
Yeah.
So, yeah, you guys can catch that next week and good night to you as well.
Sam, thank you for joining us once again.
We really appreciate and love having you on.
Yes, we do.
When you get you on for reals one time.
Yeah, come on.
And we'll make it.
Even if like you don't want it to just be you,
I'm sure we can talk either just Sammy or Sierra or both of them into joining you.
I'm sure we can make.
We'll just get the whole Nelson clan.
There we go.
Perfect.
What?
Sam, what you can talk Stacy into coming on.
I do it.
Yeah, let it let us know what's like the Nelson family movie
and we'll break that down.
Oh, love it.
Oh, shit.
That actually sounds like a frigging blast.
That does.
Yeah, that's that sounds like a lot of fun.
Like it started off as a joke, but it's like now it's like ideas.
Yeah, now it sounds fun.
All right.
So, yeah, you guys can look forward to our episode next week, possibly a.
Nelson take over sometime in the future.
Wink wink.
Yeah.
So with that, this has been the all bros podcast.
I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan and we will catch you guys next week.
This is peace. We would probably scare you, Sam.
That.
Yeah, that.
Sam, may I remind you that I have a John Wayne Gacy collection?
So I don't know if anything really scares me anymore.
I should scare myself with that stuff, but I don't.
Yeah, do it and you're cool.
Do it and you're cool.
Oh, my gosh.