What is up bros, I'm Caleb and I'm John and we are a couple of bros on a mission to give
you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible. Welcome
to the all bros. This week on the podcast we have absolutely nothing to talk about in
4k spotlight or through the wall. Any news that we thought we had like nothing's really
been affected that much. We were going to talk about like the writer's strike or something
but that so that's technically ended but it hasn't ended any of the other strikes and
their deal is still kind of up in the air so just kind of be pointless to talk about
and then I'm pointless I mean bring awareness to it but yeah but like nothing's like it
seems nothing's fully set in stone yet yeah wait so we'll get into that when when things
are a little bit more solidified and then the only other thing that also that I that
I brought to Caleb's attention it's nothing set in stone either it was just that already
the Halloween franchise is being shopped around to other studios and bidding bidding wars
are already being placed but nothing's set in stone so once that does happen we'll uh
we'll talk about that yeah um so with that I think we can get right into this episode
yeah I'll say so all right hey it's Mike and T and Grant and Billy and we are the failing
Hollywood podcast and you are listening to the All Bros podcast the best movie podcast
that is not us yeah second best second best yeah yeah don't say best they got some decent
reviews if you start lying to the audience right away they're not gonna buy anything
you say I mean yeah no but they have awesome mediocre views on movies yeah they're fine
they're fine so keep listening for more of that dude that one gets me every single time
they got all right reviews go check them out I have to I want to ask him I'm like did you
actually say like we're mediocre yeah seriously it sounds like that like no hate but it's
just like you kind of like mumbled a little bit so it's just like did he say like oh they
have okay media reviews or or it sounds like there's something after like because like
putting putting our views as not only okay but just but also mediocre in the same sentence
this is like damn double blow that's fine it keeps us humble oh yeah you know we'd love
you for it Mikey yeah um all right so since we don't have anything in 4k spotlight or
through the wall um oh I forgot what we said we were gonna do this week um we are actually
gonna be breaking down spider-man 3 we kind of had a crazy week once again um October
is gonna be a weird month for us so yeah please uh have some mercy I guess buckle buckle up
for a for a fun ride of a month I guess yeah uh so we'll be breaking down spider-man 3
we were originally supposed to be breaking down a haunting in Venice we pushed that one
a couple weeks um so sorry yeah sorry about that yeah if you guys were looking forward
to that um but we got spider-man 3 for you so yeah the best one of the trilogy if you
ask me yeah so I'm lying I know hey you don't know I do know yeah um uh what was I gonna
say yeah so because we changed it around we and we did ask a question of the week because
it was seriously up until today that we thought we were going to be breaking down a haunting
in Venice um and it's my fault I'm so sorry it's fine it's it happens like last week was
pretty much the same thing for me um but what we can do is we'll still read off our our
question of the week our answer to the question of the week uh we only got one so are we are
we only got like a couple okay and let me hear let me just double check okay thank god
sorry I thought like tick tock was just gonna like freaking blast me yeah um yeah I'm not
seeing anyone that answered on uh uh what's it called on YouTube so I think we're good
there and then so yeah we just take talk yeah and I we don't get any on uh on Instagram
rarely ever um I've noticed that yeah uh so I think I'll read one you read one um so yeah
so our quote so that we asked a question of the week for a haunting in Venice um and we
just asked tell us what paranormal event turned you from skeptic to believer um yeah and that's
just kind of in ties with uh with the haunting in Venice because that's based off of uh I
wouldn't say it's based off of it's it's this detective who's experiencing supernatural
stuff or stuff that he believes to be supernatural and blah blah blah so we'll yeah
anyway I don't know what you guys I don't think I need to see the movie anymore Caleb
just you know
said it perfectly like yeah cool yeah so yeah so that's the the question that we asked um
so let's read off these uh these responses you want to take the first one yeah um I'm
sorry I gotta take this first one just because if this ever happened to my cat um I'm literally
taking Alexander and we're fleeing to Mexico I just want you to know that right now so
coming from flaccid pancake uh they said I saw a shadow throw my cat off the table yeah
I'm like I said I'm grabbing Alexander I'm burning my apartment down and we're fleeing
to Mexico yep that's what's happening that seems reasonable
but I can understand why that made you a believer cuz yeah f that yeah no thanks dude I don't
even know what I'd do if I saw a shadow throw something now see with Caleb if it was a cat
he'd be fine oh that's normal yeah there's nothing wrong with that dude I don't know
like if I if I saw and believe that it was a shadow that did it I'd probably flip the
hell out I just thought you know since you really don't like cats you know just be another
day for you dude I'm so freaking hyper aware of scary shit like it's not even funny like
if I even get like an inkling that something's like happening I'm like a freaking like hawk
um like I don't know what happened thing yeah so I'll tell you so I went to go see a haunting
in Venice today so the day that we were recording I was sitting like I was so cautious about
where I sat I sat in the second to last row I checked the back row to make sure that no
one was like hiding out like with my with like my phone's flashlight because I was the
only one in the theater which was fantastic so yeah I gave it a quick once over with my
phone and I'm like all right cool I sat down in my seat and like the movie started and
whatnot and so where I was sitting I could see some of like the the stairway lights and
one of those lights kept like turning off intermittently and just for a minute and they
would turn back on and it'd be fine like for a good like half hour before it shut off again
I was so hyper aware of that light like I even like anytime that that light like flashed
or turned off I was like did a quick once over of the theater I'm like okay I'm fine
and then there was like this weird noise that I think was coming from the movie but it was
weird because the sound system in my theater wasn't all that good but it was it sounded
like it was coming from like above me behind like above and behind me and so I kept like
looking back and I'm like okay is there like some freaking employee sneaking through the
projector window or something like something's going on and is freaking me out but yeah I'm
I'm so hyper cautious with shit like that I'm like I I don't freaking play with scary
shit okay yeah you just tell me that story yeah there you could you definitely could
not handle something like the extra system theaters yeah I don't think you'd handle paranormal
activity not in theaters absolutely not oh yeah well the reason I don't think I could
handle either of those is I don't do well with cheap jump scares and those are just
movies packed with them you're not wrong yeah so I'm just no I don't freaking play so if
I saw a shadow and I genuinely believe that that shadow threw something that was solid
to the floor or whatever I same boat were freaking deuces like I'm freaking leaving
the gas on and throwing a match inside and just see you yep I don't know where we're
going but we're not staying here oh but yeah so I totally understand that one yeah like
how that would flip you that hard all right um and then mine is going to come from a talented
failure who said things moving and disappearing before my very eyes yeah hell no dude has
that ever happened to you not me but no I'm grateful it hasn't because I don't want to
experience that dude so I actually have a story about something like this no shit okay
I can't wait to hear this so this may be why I'm very like hyper cautious of things in
terms of like haunted so you remember that old school that was like boarded up and whatnot
on main street dude I think I know what you're talking about but yeah yeah did they knock
that down or is it still that or is it so there it got renovated um it looks a lot better
so it actually like it's functional now but I swear I know exactly what story you're talking
about it may it may be a different one I do remember that there was one that like me and
you were involved in okay so you know the one that I'm thinking of this that involved
Bronson seeing something okay nevermind yeah I don't trust Bronson for shit um there uh
but yeah okay so there oh actually I have two I have two like really good ones all right
so check this out so the first one I'm going to talk about is at this school I used to
take guitar lessons kind of behind where this school was and I remember I was riding my
bike over there one time um I think my mom was like all right no no no no because I only
ever rode my bike over there when I was like with you guy with you and like Sammy and everyone
so my mom was like discussing stuff with my guitar teacher and so she just kind of was
like oh just hang out here and so we were right next door to that old school so I was
like whatever she's taking forever I'm going to go check this shit out and I went up to
a a window that was like busted open right and like I kind of got like it was on the
ground so I got down on my knees and was like looking inside the like this this room and
there was a desk like one of those like a school desk so like one would that had like
the chair and the like the desktop attached to it and everything and it was like the only
one there like in that room it didn't feel like out of place it wasn't like in the middle
of the room it was just kind of like off in the corner or whatever and I remember like
looking down and I like was like eyeballing the rest of the room and I kind of started
to stand up and I heard a noise and I went back down and that damn desk was gone and
I was like nope and I jumped in the freaking car nope I'm done yeah I saw that I like
I saw that I was like I because I was like sat there for like in I I went inside the
freaking guitar center grandma mom's keys jumped in the car and it was just like sitting
there and I'm like okay like you're running through it in my brain I'm like you saw the
desk like you know you saw the desk where did that desk go like trying to rationalize
what the hell happened dude if I were you I wouldn't have even gotten the keys from
my mom just went into the car by myself I'd want to stay by as many people as I could
yeah but I freaking like panicked hard understandable yeah the second one was okay so on the street
that my parents live on our elementary school was like is on the same road so we could walk
to our elementary school did you which elementary did you go to again Forbes okay okay for for
second and third grade at least so I remember I was in third grade and there was this old
barn on our way back that was just kind of like covered in trees it was like on its own
little piece of land so it was like a somewhat nice house nice house nice house creepy old
ass barn nice house nice house nice house and I remember hearing horror stories from
like some of the other kids about what was up with that barn and it freaked me out so
I started walking across the street from the barn like anytime I'd come up to it or whatever
so like I'd walk like super far away from this barn I don't remember when it ever happened
but I remember like how this barn was like there was a concrete foundation it had a little
bit of like a an entryway that didn't come completely to the street and it yeah it was
just like a raggedy old like barn right I remember walking up to this barn and like
looking inside there was like chains and stuff hanging from the ceiling and stuff like nothing
creak like too creepy other than the frickin chains and I like the chains were enough for
me to be like I'm not liking where this is going yeah so I was like yeah nope like I'm
gonna walk on the other side of the street I don't remember when it ever happened and
usually that type of construction or that type of demolition takes a while that the
barn got knocked down eventually I can't seem to find a single person that knows when it
was taken down interesting it was just it was just there one week and then it was gone
the next and when I say gone I'm not talking like oh it looked like someone dug this up
it looked like it had been abandoned like there was no like upturned dirt there wasn't
any like big concrete blocks or giant like things that are typically left over from a
demolition like that it was it looked like it was just flat land like almost like there
had been nothing on it because the ground was like like nice and solid it wasn't like
churned up or whatever it was just there one weekend and then gone the next and I like
I remember asking my dad am I hey who took down the barn and he's like the barn's gone
and I'm like yeah the barn's gone and like he went and looked and he was like oh that's
weird I didn't see anyone working on it and I'm like I I freaking knew some people like
around the corners and I'm like hey did you see who took this barn down and they're like
no no one knows like where the hell this barn went it just freaking vanished interesting
okay yeah and usually like underneath the like the concrete and stuff like when you
lay down a foundation there's usually nothing because nothing's had the chance to grow right
yeah but where that barn stood it was like weeds and shit huh and I shit you not it was
like it was like a Friday that I like walked past it and then Monday when I was coming
home because my I think my like my mom took me to school like drove me that day on my
way walking home that damn barn was gone and looked like it just like not it looked like
nothing had been there and it like it psyched me out and I'm just like aliens like this
is some men in black level shit the men black came took this like cannibalistic house or
this cannibalistic barn out and just wiped everyone's memory of it except me oh dude
that is so interesting huh yeah freaking some crazy shit so totally feel where he's coming
from with the things moving and disappearing yeah so I'm like I don't play with that shit
no more yeah understandable yeah um but yeah thank you to you too flaccid pancake and talented
failure for answering our question of the week we really appreciate it yes thank you
very much and we appreciate you giving us something to talk about do you have any like
paranormal stories I feel like if anyone does it be you or have you just become numb to
that shit and I can't become numb to that shit honestly it's like you probably have
a boulder guys don't even know it with all the gaseous shit I got in my apartment yeah
I wouldn't be surprised well dude yeah okay um I guess no I don't know if this like really
counts because um like I think it was when I was recording episode two of the gaseous
gazette um I was talking like shit um like how oh he deserved to everything that he
got deserves to burn in hell and everything and I swear I felt breathing on my neck it
felt like something was behind me and I had to do a double take like I'm getting goosebumps
telling it right now so like apparently Gacy didn't like the way I was talking about him
from the other side um he's breathing on your neck it's like no why you gotta say that shit
why you gotta do that shit oh man but I mean that dude yeah that's all I that's all I can
think of that's like happened to me and recently fair enough I mean that's enough okay all
right that's this shit freaked me the hell out oh man Sam said Stacey had her deceased
grandma come sit on the edge of her bed one night dude what yeah that would whoo okay
oh I just got goosebumps from that oh okay yeah how about no oh oh I'd be like grandma
this isn't your bed this isn't your plane of existence up no more get out of here it's
great to see you again but uh now it's not the time oh oh no thanks yeah uh yeah no I'm
good uh whoo okay just talking about it stirs emotions oh yeah understandable yeah that's
whoo yeah that that's some hard stuff to talk about I understand dude what was that what's
that quote from I hope Stacey's okay yeah what's that quote from freaking came of thrones
the night is long and full of terrors or something like that oh I would not handle that well
oh man yeah no thanks yeah no I'm good dude I I don't remember it was it you or was it
me that took a picture of one of those creepy dolls at the grave face museum no I refuse
I don't so I think it was me did I though I thought I didn't because I don't want to
freaking like see it freaking move in my uh when I'm looking at the freaking picture okay
I I thought that was the case I was I wasn't 100% sure if I'd taken one too because I was
trying to like I remember I don't know if I think I might have taken it from your phone
okay that's like why I'm remembering taking one but I remember like going to pull it up
for someone who's just like oh like does you get any pictures of the creepy shit and I
was like yeah of course I did and I was going through my phone and I saw that it was like
not there and I was just like well I know I didn't delete it and so I was like psyching
myself out I was just like uh dude did you see what gray face posted a couple days ago
about um how they're going I forget how long but they're literally gonna let you stay overnight
at the grave face museum lights out um but you have to like sign a waiver because like
they're not responsible for like any like paranormal entities you'll experience I think
they're gonna even give you like night night vision goggles like I don't know if I could
do that even I've like that like I'm just like inside of my dude that'd be so cool to
like night vision uh uh freaking go into the freaking serial killers room all that gay
shit but at the same time like I'm gonna freaking like see one of those paintings of pogo freaking
move and I'm just gonna lose my shit um so yeah no I'm good that sounds cool as hell
like that like kudos to you Ryan like that's an awesome idea um but yeah I'm good dude
did you see he's hiring scare actors too so it's not to dress up as John Wayne Gacy no
it's not it's not just freaking like I saw that post it's not just a freaking like overnight
experience like there's gonna be freaking scare actors there so that's pretty badass
they're gonna like actively try and scare the shit out of you and I would absolutely
short my pants uh Caleb I would love to see that knocking dude I am way too jumpy for
anything like that he is dude I get scared if people come up and like too suddenly when
I'm at work dude cuz like my bad jumpy yeah like my back is too so like I work on the
laser machine and so my back is to where people will come up and ask me for shit and they'll
come up like and they won't even be that close they'll just like be like hey Caleb and I'm
gonna go up what oh my god dude damn I'm super freaking jumpy dude like I do not play with
horror shit not if I can avoid it okay you know what understandable please god damn Jesus
all right uh so anyway thank you to those of you that answered our question of the week
and to Sam for probably make me not sleep well yeah same here but I hope that you and
say you and Stacey are okay oh so with that let's say we get into this week's breakdown
let's do it
all righty so like we said earlier we will be breaking down at spider-man 3 one of our
more last minute episodes this is probably like the most last minute that we've ever
had because it's like because you message me at like what five no I don't think I messaged
you that late didn't yeah I messaged you like noon did you really or like or noon my time
oh um oh no you you messaged me at six I did yeah I said that was about four o'clock your
time what that's what time I got it it says 6 11 that's when you ask could you chance
or record tonight oh I'm sorry I thought we're talking about like switching the movie oh
my bad oh switch in the movie yeah switch in the movie was earlier did okay yeah you
miss yeah you're right like one okay yeah yeah he's right yeah freaking yeah that yeah
that probably is that is yeah yeah this definitely is our most last minute episode yeah damn
um all right so if you are new to our breakdown system we have split movies into eight different
categories that we individually score to come to a final all bros letter grade the eight
categories that we score are story writing acting character development effects music
costumes and then we give our own personal score at the very end all those numbers get
magically added up and spit through our algorithm and give us a final all bros letter grade
that we compare two movies of a similar grade it also gives a ranking so it's kind of fun
to see where it ends up in the ranking but yeah so it doesn't really matter all that
much despite what we may say on tick tock yeah so with that if you have not seen Spongebob
Spider-Man 3 you are way late to the freaking game you've had like 16 years i think it's
exactly 16 years that you've had yeah just about when did this come out it came out 2007
holy shit yeah it came out a long while ago so you guys have no excuse for uh for not
seeing this telling time with rose okay let's let's let's start that one on telling time
with rose i like it let's do it dude that one's good and you know it yeah that yeah
all right sam that's a good one oh man but yeah so you have been properly warned um so
yeah if you listen beyond this point and anything from this movie is spoiled for you sex but
you it does yeah yeah we've we've given you our uh our appropriate warning so uh so with
that rose is about to spoil the entire movie for you uh in our favorite segment that we
like to call reading with rose i have to do things like backwards it's weird
all right Peter Parker plans to propose to Mary Jane Watson who has made her Broadway musical debut
in Central Park a meteorite lands near the two and an extraterrestrial symbiote follows Peter
to his apartment by attaching to his motorbike Harry Osborn knowing Peter is Spider-Man seeks
to avenge his father Norman's death using Norman's performance enhancing gas and green goblin
technology he battles Peter to an event to an eventual stalemate developing partial amnesia
meanwhile police pursue escaped escaped convict Flint Marco who visits his wife and sick daughter
before fleeing falling into an experimental particle accelerator that fuses his body with
the surrounding sand he gains the ability to control and reform his body with sand becoming
Sandman during a festival honoring Spider-Man for saving Glenn Stacey's life Peter kisses her to
please the crowd angering Mary Jane Marco then robs an armor truck and escapes after defeating
Spider-Man NYPD Captain George Stacey Gwen's father informs Peter and his aunt and his aunt may
that Marco is Uncle Ben's true killer the deceased Dennis Cardin was Marco's accomplice at the
apartment the symbiote as a silamates a sure as oh my god as a simulates that's the word
she's always I was like I don't know what the hell you're trying to say right now
the Spider-Man suit is Peter sleeps in it while waiting for Marco to come out of hiding
Peter awakens on top of a building discovering that the symbiote has colored his suit black
and enhanced his powers however it also brings out aggressive traits of his personality
Peter locates and battles Marco in a subway tunnel discovering that water is his weakness he
opens a pipe releasing water that reduces Marco to mud and washes him away in a sewer
Peter's changed demeanor alienates Mary Jane who also receives negative reviews from critics
she shares she shares a tender moment with Harry but leaves in regret urged by hallucination of his
father Harry recovers from his in amnesia and forces Mary Jane to break up with Peter Harry
later meets up with Peter and tells him that Mary Jane loves him under the symbiotes influence
Peter confronts Harry and spitefully says his father never loved him as Peter leaves after an
ensuing fight Harry throws a pumpkin bomb at him but the former deflects it back scorching the
latter's face at the Daily Bugle Peter exposes rival photographer Eddie Brock whose fake photos
incriminate Spider-Man publisher J Jonah Jameson fires Brock and promotes Peter to staff photographer
later Peter brings one to a jazz club where Mary Jane now works in an attempt to make her jealous
Peter interrupts Mary Jane's performance and dances with Gwen in front of her upon realizing
Peter's true intentions Gwen apologizes to Mary Jane and leaves after assaulting the bouncers and
accidentally hitting Mary Jane Peter realizes that the symbiote is corrupting him retreating to a
church's bell tower and discovering that the sounds of clanging metal weaken the creature
Peter removes the symbiote Brock is at the same church and becomes a symbiote's new host
as venom Brock locates a still-living Marco and convinces him to join forces to kill Spider-Man
Brock abducts Mary Jane and holds her captive from a web at a construction site intending to kill her
in revenge for Peter ruining him while Marco keeps the police at bay after Harry declines to help
Peter Harry's butler reveals that Norman's death was not Spider-Man's fault while Brock and Marco
pin Peter down Harry arrives to help Peter and save Mary Jane Brock attempts to impale Peter with
Harry's glider but Harry jumps in and is impaled instead while remembering the symbiote's weakness
Peter assembles a pair a perimeter of metal pipes to create a sonic attack weakening weakening it and
allowing Peter to separate Brock from the symbiote Peter activates a pumpkin bomb and throws it at the
hot at the hostess symbiote having become addicted to its influence Brock attempts to save the symbiote
and both are vaporized Marco explains that Ben's death was an accident that has haunted him and
that everything he has done was to help his daughter uh sorry Peter forgives Marco allowing
him to escape Peter and Harry reconcile before the latter dies from his injuries sometime after
Harry's funeral Peter visits Mary Jane at the jazz club where they embrace and share a dance nice yeah
oh so I don't know about you but I feel if it weren't for the meddling of Sony and wanting
certain things put into this movie um this could have been a way better third movie
uh row no freaking like the only symbiote that are so from what I've seen is Sam Raimi never wanted
them venom in this movie he wanted the two villains to be Harry Harry's green goblin and
sandman that's it um but so with since he didn't want venom I can't remember is that including the
the symbiote for spider-man or was he wanting to include that no so you can't really have venom
without the symbiote fair so he didn't venom at the time was a newer character but he was wildly
popular with fans and so that's why Sony was pushing real hard because they I think they
wanted to get some of that venom money out um like for venom merchandise and shit so they wanted
a reason to sell some more of his shit um so yeah they pressured Sam Raimi like really freaking hard
to put venom in this so I don't think Sam Raimi wanted I think he was fine introducing venom at
the end because there was I mean there was talks of a spider-man 4 all like there was like there
I think they had like a line or a plan in place to release the spider-man 4 yeah he already had
his lineup of villains ready his main one he wanted it to be the vulture yeah which would have been
freaking sick yeah that that would have been awesome um but yeah so yeah he was he was kind
of forced to uh to throw venom in and so he didn't know how to handle venom what is the the issue
he's like I knew how to handle green goblin I knew how to handle doc ock I knew how to handle
sandman he I did not know anything about venom other than what he was told and what he was told
was that venom's kind of a goofy character that's what I turned into turn peter into a goofy
character yeah I think that's what I've always appreciated um with Sam Raimi as a director when
it came to the spider-man movies he picked like the most well-known but they've had so much um
character development throughout the years that there's so much um material that you can look
back on to fully understand these villains and so like there's so many directions that you can take
them in and so I feel with green goblin and dr octopus he freaking nailed it so perfectly
because not only for what he wanted to add to them but also just the constant decades of material
that he had thanks to the comic books uh that they were in um but yeah like you said venom was
a brand new character um definitely one of a definitely a goofy character um and like honestly
a hot take um he has never been one of my favorite spider-man villains and um I've never understood
the huge hype for him like don't get him wrong I don't hate the character um honestly I think it's
it's just because he's a he's a cool looking character I think that's the hype yeah I mean
and hell in the new in venom and venom too yeah I will fully admit he looked badass he looked
awesome but just I've never gotten the character development from venom that I get from Norman
Osborn from Otto Octavius um even flint marco especially in this movie um just you seen have
you seen the thing talking about like uh like the like the canon events it was like shortly after
across the spider verse came out um there was a lot of different writers and stuff talking about
like canon events right okay and like one of the big ones is there needs to be an uncle ben figure
so according to some venom writers they were saying that Peter Parker is venom's uncle ben
what the shit yeah like that's that's his equivalent it's this the first person that he
bonded to on this new world created like a bond with the and then ultimately got rejected
by his first host and so that's why he holds such disdain for spider-man is because
venna or Peter Parker was venom's first love more or less and then that that person like rejected
him like who he was and like even went as far as like actively attacking him
even went as far as like actively attacking him with like the the the the sound waves and
and everything yeah that is so interesting yeah like super interesting take right yeah
i kind of dig that i like yeah so that's like that's venom's obsession with spider-man
it okay i could totally buy that okay yeah i totally do too but yeah i
venom he just wasn't established well he was not like honestly i don't blame um i mean we'll get
to acting with this but i don't blame taufer grace at all i feel he did the best that he could with
what he was given for the character of not only eddie brock but venom as well yeah do i will say
if they were to have handled venom in more of the way that they have dealt with him in the
recent one with tom hardy where there's like a dialogue between like you can hear that inner
dialogue between the host and and venom i think you could have done some really good things with
that and made him a little bit better well received i agree because yeah when it comes to that kind of
stuff like that's honestly that's like some of my favorite parts of the previous two venom films
just when they're freaking when um eddie and venom are just like going at it at each other like
freaking love that shit yeah so like i i think that they could have touched upon that but again
you're just what you're dealing with is someone who was a grew up being a fan of spider-man and
then having to basically shoehorn this new character that he knew nothing about into his film
yeah a film that he already had kind of a set plan for yeah i would love to see or hear what sam
raimi's original plan for spider-man 3 was same dude same like i don't need it to be thrown into
to production or anything i just want to i want him to release like a book like this is like what
spider-man 3 should have been yeah i would love that yeah i buy that shit day one dude no joke
like i'd have that shit on pre-order yeah dude same yeah damn missed opportunity
yeah freaking audio book it with the the cast members dude that'd be sick whoa that'd be amazing
um but i mean looking past venom you know and just how that just should have never been added to this
third movie um i i'll there are some other parts that you're just like what the hell were you know
were they thinking definitely gotta you know bring up bully maguire um the freaking uh the dancing
scenes um the those get cringier on every watch i don't know about you
they don't they don't age well no they do not but i think they've become such a freaking staple
in care in spider-man lore that it's kind of like it's become funny like it's turned from cringy to
freaking to funny yeah um but i mean there there is still a lot to love with this story um you know
looking past like all the some of the problems that you might have with the symbiote when it
comes to peter parker you still get some great moments with not only peter parker but spider-man
um just uh you know seeing him deal with you know of course his relationship with mary jane
um and how it's just been on honestly once once the symbiote you know enters him it's just up and
down for him with that um what he goes through with harry especially um that's always been my
one of my favorite parts of this third movie um you know uh freaking how you see how much hatred
harry has towards peter for killing his father um and you know the whole accident with his amnesia
and then just you know just everything else that happens but then finally they actually reconcile
at the end and there's there's an ounce of peace with them as harry passes away and then
as harry passes away um which i'm very grateful for i'm i'm really glad that they that harry didn't
freaking die hating peter because that would have freaking sucked i would have hated that
um that was a great call dude like to not end it that way yeah i can't imagine that a reconciliation
between the two like oh man but whenever so when i was reading that um the when oh my god what's
the butler's name again uh
uh sorry houseman oh he just says houseman yeah that's yeah he's played by john patten
oh and he's just credited as houseman oh um whenever i think of do even when i'm watching
the movie when that scene comes up the only thing that i can think of is have you seen the how it
should have ended for spider-man 3 please it's been forever since i've seen it but yeah the part
where he's explaining to harry he's just like the night your father died he was impaled by his own
glider it was his own fault and harry's just like you were so far what what but i thought you wanted
to know the truth he's like i took a grenade to the face dude that that's like the only thing
that i can think of when i see that scene dude i will say i don't i have real mixed feelings about
the harry becoming the new goblin that's fair um like i'll fully admit when it came to like harry
becoming the new green goblin i feel it was handled better in like the 2000 series was it the
night no i think was the 90 series was it the 90s shit when did that series come out like the
animated one yeah which so which one i mean there's been i swear it's 90 spider-man let me yeah so
the you're talking about the uh like the spider-man we grew up on yes yeah that was night that was 90
spider-man okay so 90 spider-man um like i freaking remember the way that they tackled harry becoming
um harry harry wow i remember how they tackled harry becoming the green goblin after after norman
um died um and just freaking how terrifying he becomes um and just i don't know when someone
becomes the new goblin i expect them to be freaking terrifying like say what you will about the amazing
spider-man too but at least harry like he was actually like felt like the green goblin he was
actually intimidating like you could tell that the uh what entered his body like f'd him up um and
you felt that way with norman osborne in the first spider-man movie um so the fact that even though
we see that james franko's harry osborne is injected with the goblin serum right yeah we see
that right no that's the part that i have an issue with yeah but i felt like at the end so at the end
of spider-man 2 he takes that knife and throws it through the the window or that mirror remember
yeah um i don't remember if it was like an end credit scene or part of the movie but he throws
it through and the machine that norman used to become the green goblin is in there along with
the serum um you never see harry take this serum i don't think i think you see well
hold up yes you do because yeah i see you see him come out of the chamber okay yeah that's
what i thought yeah you don't see him inject himself with anything but you see him like coming
out of the same chamber okay and i think that like that's as far as that goes but yeah that doesn't
affect his like personality at all really his psyche at all yeah he doesn't yeah um he never
feels like the green goblin yeah that like that's what what's kind of got me because
i remember reading something i think it might have been like uh like the book adaptation of
this movie and them saying that he altered the formula to not have the kind of impact that it
would have on his mind so it would give him all the perks of being the goblin without any of the
mental uh effects but that i think that's what's got me confused it's because like
it doesn't seem like harry has any of like the mental issues that norman did yeah so he would
have had to alter it if that's the case you're taking all the fun out of the green goblin
yes but that's not the like the issue that i have the issue i have is you set harry up as kind of
the dummy in the first movie he's not as smart as peter he's not as smart as his dad so you're just
telling me that he was able to take this formula that drove his dad to insanity and altered it to
get rid of that side effect yeah dude seriously even in the second one he's made out to be even
more of a dummy i feel yeah because i mean he i mean yeah you're i mean you're dealing with that
too and then like you you've already showed that he has mental issues he talked communicated with
his dad yeah so it's like the hell i know you set this up in a way that he'd have the same issues as
norman yeah but you didn't like there was no follow-up like and i'm sure james franco could
have played psycho just as well i mean probably not as well as um william defoe but i think he
could have done really well yeah i swear that we've seen him do that before so why did why why
change it why change what the green goblin serum does to somebody or the eye like i said dude i
would love to see what this movie originally was same yeah because i i feel if sam raimi would have
truly been able to get his vision we could have had one of the best superhero trilogies ever made
this could have been on the levels of guardians i dude i absolutely believe that because the first
and second are near perfection they all especially that oh dude like absolutely the second one's just
chef's kiss yeah you you can't get better than that no you cannot that sets the bar so high
i think it would i think you still would have had issues with the third this like true regardless
of how good it was just because of how good number two was yeah that's a good point um but yeah uh
i mean i want to google something real quick um spider-man all right dude what kind of bullshit
is freaking screen rant why what happened so i i googled like what was the original plan for
spider-man 3 and it says think spider-man 3 was bad the original plan would have been so much worse
uh let's see spider-man 3 so this is what what this says um spider-man 3 was almost split into
two movies that would have been fine yeah um originally spider-man 3 was going to explore
peter learning that he wasn't a sinless vigilante and even though he considered villains could
and even though he considered villains could have humanity in them and in order to give
closure to harry osborne's story um he was brought back with the intention of being somewhere between
his father's legacy and being his own person sandman was later added as an antagonist and
after pressure from producer eve eva rad rami added eddie brock and venom as well
splitting spider-man 3 into two parts could have made each one less uh venom's addition
imperative about force especially dude this i freaking hate screen rant the original pitch
for spiderman 3 skewed venom or the symbiotes black suit with vulture instead of instead as
the main protagonist while sandman would be the secondary villain as in the final cut so originally
i guess it was vulture that was meant to be the the main villain i'm all for in the opening yeah
in the opening of the film spider-man would respond to a replete police report of a robbery
by a new villain the vulture and would have foiled him and thrown him in jail leaving tombs to
develop an intense hatred towards him sharing his cell with flint marco who would also gain
superpowers involving sand physiology and morphing tombs would talk marco into joining him in
a quest for vengeance against the wall crawler and would enact a prison break corralling other
escaped convicts to start riots and mass looting to draw spider-man out and wear him out trying
to stop and quell them in 2005 if vulture was removed from the script replaced with
harry osborne the new goblin and venom uh keeping sandman's role
uh producers felt ramey's take on vulture did not make for an overly compelling villain fair
um at least from what we've heard here yeah given as he had no personal ties to spidey beyond petty
vengeance as opposed to green goblin and doc ock before him and that venom's popularity and
status as a dark reflection of spidey in addition to the black suit story being a beloved character
arc from the comics and cartoons prior would make for a better story and blah blah blah blah
oh in addition to upping merchandise and toy sales freaking called it of course of course uh
ramey was reluctant having a personal dislike of venom due to what he perceived as a lack of
humanity but ultimately acquiesced to erud and sony's demands and tried to do justice to the
character basing him on his earliest appearance yeah sony rushed us yeah so sony rushed sam
rimey with the deadline of spider-man 3 because they did not want to lose the film rights to
the spider-man to marvel damn man dude i i really wish that we would have gotten the to see at least
know what sam ramey's original vision for spiderman 3 was same here because i'll give him this
from what was described the vulture did does not sound like a compelling villain
sir not in the way that uh harry osborne is yeah especially like with what you've built him up to
so i think i think we missed out man yeah i definitely agree um i mean but just like
just like diving into this like what we did get or talking about what we what we did get i
i don't hate this as much as critics do same here like this is not the worst third movie that i
this is not only not the worst third movie in a trilogy this is not one of the worst
superhero movies ever made it's it's not it's it's not an it's not an abomination like so many
people think it is no it's absolutely not i think they did as well as they could with a film like
this um obviously like there was freaking issues with um with production and everything wanting to
shoehorn a new villain and that the director wasn't familiar with but despite what we got
like we got something that was really fun to watch and a villain that was like super
relate i'll say relatable in like terms of sandman oh yeah dude absolutely and i think everyone's
like if if the if anything was done correctly it was proper motivations yes i love that they started
off the the movie like almost instantly with action and like with the peter parker new goblin
fight i thought that was an incredible beginning dude seriously that is honestly probably still
one of my favorite um superhero fights i've ever seen it was so good and then like just like the
brutality of like how they're just freaking like laying into each other yeah dude they were not
holding their punches whatsoever yeah and so when when harry gets like knocked the hell out like i
was just i remember the freaking reaction i had to that dude same like i remember being like
like dude i remember the like i remember my whole reaction like the first time i watched this fight
it's because i went to go see this movie for the first time uh for a friend's birthday really
okay cool so it was opening weekend too so yeah yeah so we went to go see this movie and i remember
like the fight and i'm just like yeah yeah like being super into it and then as soon as harry got
knocked out and was like on the floor i was like oh no like oh shit that's your best friend bro
and just like yeah i remember how like instant that like switch was and just like
and i freaking like loved it loved it um but yeah i mean that was cool just
i think the amnesia thing took like was a at least at the beginning was a little bit much for me
but once he like got his memory back and everything that's when it became like super interesting
yeah i can definitely agree with you there yeah so i i love i love how you could tell
you could tell when he got his uh when he lost his memory versus when he got it back because like i
think they did something with his hair yeah like you notice how like before he got his memories
back like all his features were like really light uh like his hair was like a lighter red and
and everything and then when he went or when he like had his memories back it all his features
went back to being like really dark yeah they did and i love that little touch no yeah it was really
nice yeah um i'm trying to think of what else yeah honestly i think it was a little overcrowded
at least near the end was but i i think he made it work as best as he could he really did like the
motivations were there like sandman was fighting spider-man because spider-man was keeping him from
taking care of his kid venom and eddie brock were fighting spidey because peter parker screwed them
over like albeit it was peter parker all symbiote it up but still yeah um and then like just the
ultimate fight or how it came down to uh the fight between peter and and harry and harry gets like
all effed up so like that fight was freaking dope too yeah that was super super dope yeah like i
remember when he like like i love when they were just like kicking each other's ass and um
um freaking harry's like all blood like his like blood's coming out of his mouth and he's just like
i protected your ass and like i'm protected you all through high school now i'm going to kick your
little ass then freaking peter's oh so good yeah i freaking loved shit like that dude um
um overall like it had a good flow about it like dude my only real complaint is that it got
bogged down by bully maguire and it kind of got a little bit overcrowded with villains
yeah other than that i don't have very many complaints about the story i don't either honestly
i'd say i'm i'm out i'm pretty freaking high in the in terms of these spider-man movies
i'd say i'm like 87
i think
hmm i can't decide if i want to just go yeah you know i mean i gotta agree eff it 87
87 all right moving on over to writing
dude this is where all of sam raines he's freaking fall for me yeah his writing sucks
i mean but i mean the overarching story like the overarching stories are pretty sick
and like when the dialogue he's not good at filler dialogue yeah um yeah i don't know what else to say
besides that um but now dude you're absolutely right like like it's but like the interaction i
feel that um peter and mary jane have when they're on the bridge and she's she's breaking up with him
um like yeah just like some of the freaking dialogue of that is just like so cringe yeah he
sam ramey can't do freaking not serious dialogue yeah and it was the same issue in the other two
movies the villains dialogue sick yeah um everything else kind of trash well i don't know i mean how do
you feel about eddie's line with uh oh my spider sense is tingling if you know what i'm talking about
honestly i i had less issues with that than a lot of other shit that they
okay all right i think i think overall i if anyone if anyone was written the best
it was freaking eddie brock jr fair all right i can i can definitely get behind that like my favorite
part is when he gets his uh camera smashed when uh peter's in the black suit and he just like
walks up to like the manhole cover he's like what the hell
the hell um but who can forget peter's classic line see a chump
dude i can't watch that scene anymore without seeing that meme where he like jumps and farts
yeah dude seriously see a chump
what does the internet have to ruin everything i know like i forget to laugh forever at that
that scene i'm like i shouldn't have but i did um i will say the the best dialogue is when
i think sandman had the best dialogue overall there was nothing sandman said that like bothered me
or made me feel like oh that's cringy like everything was like really good no especially
like um towards the end um or not towards the end at the end um when him and peter are having
that talk and he's just explaining everything of why he did it and you know how he plays back
uncle ben's death um every day and just how he wished he could have changed things um the dialogue
is just absolutely fantastic yeah it's super good um new goblins wasn't all that good
dude that's all right yeah mary jane i freaking i can't with mary jane dude i so i'm curious is
it mary jane throughout all three movies or is it just all three movies dude i i feel i'm one of
the rare people that loves kirsten dunn says mary jane i liked her for the first one and that was
it really i love i love her in all three dude she got so whiny i'm just like she did but i don't know
it worked for the way that she did the character and i know i i really liked her in uh adaptation
of mary jane watson throughout all three films i i can't say i did she she loved so after the first
one i was like okay like there's room to improve the second one i'm like no like there's no freaking
redeeming her and then the third one just kind of like confirmed that i was like yeah i freaking
can't with you third one third one kaleb's just like stop stop she's already dead
yeah pretty much i i did not like mary jane as a character and in this franchise i she was so whiny
and then she just kept bitching and complaining about like stupid shit with uh with peter
like it was so aggravating like
like i think what bothered me the most because i feel like there were like i went in with some
like level of okay there's some redemption that can be had here but it was when she
when guin stacy came up and was like talking to peter and then like went off on her way and then
mary jane just started getting all freaking butt hurt like who the hell was that and then
mary jane just started getting all freaking butt hurt like who the hell was that i'm like dude don't
and it just got worse and worse and worse and i'm like i even remember as a kid i'm like
this seems like a bit much oh shit like your boyfriend who you're supposed to trust is
like telling you like it's she's nothing to me like she's just some like the way he was
reacting like totally within like realistic when she when he's just what she's like losing her mind
and he's just like she's just a girl in my class what do you want me to say
yeah i'm just like yeah damn what like what else can he say all right fair enough so yeah it's
just that and i feel like was peter being an asshole sometimes like i wouldn't say he was
being an asshole but i think he was like he was trying his best to be like a supportive partner
yeah like he was like he was trying to relate his like her like the critiques that she was getting
to his as spider-man like because it's like he doesn't know what else to say like what's he's
supposed to do like oh maybe you'll try better next time like i'm pretty sure that wouldn't have
gone over like honestly that probably could have gone over better with her for how much she freaking
bitching complain about i thought he handled that situation like damn near perfectly but okay you
got a point yeah i uh not a freaking fan of of her writing whatsoever i will say though i feel like
one line that always sticks with me is the um one freaking uh toby not toby sorry peter just you know
he his landlord is just like oh uh you know where's my rent in the class you'll get your rent when you
fix this damn door that that that line just like boosts up the writing score for me yeah
uh that that was the the landlord is pretty sick i like the landlord a lot
he's a character that grew on me over time oh yeah same here unfortunately i don't think i can give
writing that high i can agree with you there the question is how low are you i'm probably sitting
at like i think sandman was good enough to bump this up to like a slightly above average so i i'm
sitting at like 75 damn you man that's what i was thinking too but i don't want to freaking just have
a line of scores that are matching but apparently that's what we're getting at so far yeah all right
next up we got acting uh so for our cast we have toby maguire who played peter parker slash spider
man we have kirsten dunst who played mary jane watson james franco who played harry osborne
slash the new goblin thomas hayden church who played flint marco otherwise known as the sandman
tofer grace who played eddie brock jr or venom uh brice dallas howard who played guin stacey
and jk simmons who played jay jona jameson the only person to play the same character in all
iterations of spider-man except for the amazing spider-man movies because he was yeah but you
don't really see jay jona jameson i don't think you ever see him yeah i think he's just mentioned
by name he could still play that's true so we'll just say that yeah and all in all three iterations
of live action spider-man he he is jay jona jameson rightfully deserved because god is he
amazing as as this character freaking love him um all right what's your what's your top three look
like um number number three um i'm going to give to uh james franco um where is he there he is um
i didn't love like i still really enjoy his performance as harry osborne um especially uh
you know after he wakes up from the coma and just like the the way that he tries to um uh
yeah i don't know it's just like the smooth talking that he does just the way he is um and
especially like you know at the ending when him and peter reconcile it's it's it's great character
moments for both um so like i i honestly this might be like the movie that i enjoy his performance
the most out of the three and that's why i would put him in my top three um i feel that his
performance just got better as the movies went along um so that's my number three uh number two
i'd give the thomas hayden church flint marco sandman phenomenal villain he was absolutely
fantastic i would still put um uh william defoe and um alfred malino is it malina or malina malina
it's malina damn sorry i always screw that up now i do too okay um so i would definitely those will
always be my top two favorite adaptations of spider-man villains always but freaking thomas
hayden church is still freaking up there when it comes to um iterations of spider-man builds
because he is absolutely amazing as sandman the emotion that he gives to this character
just everything that he brings is just absolutely fantastic and i once again just loved watching
him on screen um but number one i have to give to toby mcguire um for the problems that i have
with bully mcguire and everything i can absolutely look past because i still love him so much as
spider-man slash peter parker and he showcased that again in this third one um the uh all the
all the turmoil that he goes through as spider-man and as peter parker and the emotion that he puts
in through the performance um is fantastic like i said there is some problems that i have and i
feel it's more on character writing it's not really acting it's you know the bull mcguire the um
and just some things that like feel completely out of character for peter parker but because of the
whole symbiote storyline you can kind of excuse it um so yeah definitely got to give number one
to toby mcguire there's a reason why he's many people's favorite spider-man he's the og yeah um
honestly i think my only issue with toby's spider-man is that i don't feel he's quippy enough
that's fair i feel when it comes to quippy andrew garfield freaking steals the show
especially i don't even think andrew garfield's as quippy as i'd like him to be
i definitely the quippiest that's fair i mean i feel in the first one they took him way too serious
um at least in the amazing spider-man 2 he definitely had some moments to finally be
quippy spider-man but i definitely agree with you he wasn't as quippy as he could have been
definitely yeah i i will say um andrew garfield's spider-man's a lot more chatty it's just not quippy
okay that's fair and i think i like that about andrew garfield's spider-man the most
yeah tom haulin i think he just he needs to get a little quippier like it needs to be non-stop
talking and i'm hoping that's like a strategy that people like in the comics that people
have pointed out like i think he's even brought like spider-man himself has even brought it up
that he talks to get his enemies like scatterbrained yeah like that's why he doesn't shut up is because
it distracts them and makes them easier to fight smart really smart yeah like so i think that's
something that i think they need to adapt a little bit better i don't think any spider-man has been
as quippy as they should other like not including animated ones because i feel like there's been
some animated ones that are very quippy that's fair i can definitely do there but yeah i absolutely
agree with you on number one toby maguire's the freaking bomb.com my number two i think i'm
i think i'm i'm agreeance with you i'm going to give it to thomas hayden church and like same reasons as you
this is my number three is honestly a coin flip it probably going to be real controversial
i'm giving it to tofor grace dude i you will get no um argument from from me here because
like i will like i did not love the iteration of venom maybe it's just because i don't really
understand the character that much but what tofor grace was able to do with the character and just
you could tell that he kind of just had fun with it he made it his own and i appreciate the hell
out of him for that because he did his absolute best he really did dude tofor grace doesn't get
enough credit as an actor he doesn't and it's bullshit it pisses me off yeah i i love like
honestly i think in another life he would have made a really good spider-man
yes oh dude yeah he would have made a fantastic peter parker
yeah i i would have liked to see him in a role like that because i i think just seeing like a
lot of his other stuff like obviously he was uh he grew up doing that 70s show and he's just done a
lot of other sitcoms and comedies like he's got the comedic timing down yes he does and he's got
that like that awkwardness about him that i feel fits perfectly for a character like spider-man
agreed so yeah i think in another life like in a freaking in the somewhere in the multiverse tofor
grace played spider-man and i freaking love it i am all for that i yeah that makes me smile honestly
yeah so but i i loved like his just quick witted quick talking and everything that he was able to
portray about eddie brock jr like i thought it was really good once he got into venom mode i was like
uh not loving it but yeah but it was eddie brock was great yeah his i will say this his venom voice
even though we only hear like a quick little snippet of it kind of killer yeah it wasn't
half bad actually yeah i mean i feel like you only get like one word from him and like venom mode
right i think so yeah because most of the time it's like it's separated and then like all you see is
his face and like the way that he's talking i want to know who decided that because no it should have
just been venom talking not him freaking pulling back and be oh hey here's eddie it's like you know
if he's if he's venom he's fully venom yeah but i i remember like flipping out when he uh when he's
talking like when he's on the wall like crawling toward like towards sandman and like how menacing
that was that he's like you want to kill the spider i want to kill the spider like let's like let's
team up make it happen and then he like kind of gets down and like is in sandman's face and he's
like then he like goes full mask he's like interested and i'm just like it's like i got chills
as like oh shit like it's about to go down
um but yeah freaking i loved his performances as uh as eddie brock venom was hit and miss yeah
agreed uh but yeah that's my top three excellent choices yeah
uh so where are you sitting with your uh your acting score uh acting this is definitely one
of the highest i feel um for me with this movie because um i feel that there's not really like i
feel for what they were given to work with everyone brings their a game here um i i know
you're not the biggest fan of mary jane and uh christian dunce um but i i still enjoy it
dunce um but i i still enjoy her character of how she's written here and how um kirsten dunce
uh portrays her completely understand why you're not a fan and like i say completely get it um
say acting wise like i'll say i think i'm not like it
i'm gonna go on 87
this i'm a little bit more on the lower end of 80s um i will say thomas hayden church definitely
brought it up toby did his best i i'd say he's pretty on par with how he was in the other two
but i i think i'm heading like the opposite direction so where you're going like two points
over 85 i'm probably going to go two points lower so i'm going to sit at an 83 um i'm going to go
three fair enough all right next up we got character development uh which obviously we can
do this on peter parker um you know considering you know looking at how far he's come from the
first two and into this third movie and um definitely bringing in the uh the effects
that the symbiote has on him um i didn't there are some parts uh in this movie that i'm just
like i don't love where you're taking the character um and it all comes back to bullie mcguire that's
the effects that the symbiote has on his character um i like i kind of hate um but there's some parts
that are like really cool with him like when you know like he's he really gets into his big you
know anger moments um and he's like literally ready to freaking just like literally kill um some
people with that scene at the bugle with eddie um when he first encounters sandman um yeah that
that shit was insane um but but uh yeah no on honestly um look like i'm trying to base it off
all three of these movies but i don't know if i shouldn't do that um because it should just be
what we get from him in this movie um and it's just like unfortunately like i said like some of
like some of the parts that the symbiote takes his storyline are great like i like i said i love the
anger parts like when he's showcasing how how mad he can get uh at some at some of uh the people that
have have that have hurt him um but the freaking like whole like dancing scene in the club um just
the freaking when he especially yeah when he walks out of um like uh freaking like men's not men's
dress for less but you know that kind of thing and he's freaking just doing like a little dance with
his arms you know rolling the hands i'm just like this doesn't feel like peter parker like this isn't
peter parker i don't care if the symbiote is entered and it just it doesn't feel like him um
so there's that but you know towards at the end you know you do get it resolved the symbiote leaves
his body finally realizes that yeah no this isn't me he reconciles with mary jane he reconciles with
harry before he dies so those parts are great i love that stuff it's just some of the stuff in
between them it's like kind of got a love-hate relationship with that yeah i totally agree with
you on that um the way that i view it is that this is peter parker dealing with something that he
felt was resolved with like he thought his his uncle ben's killer was dead like that's what he
thought that's what he believed so it's like he never really had to deal with his killer being on
the loose and so seeing that he was already in a place of anger and so the the symbiote just kind
of enhanced that anger turned his anger into strength and then him feeling like how good it
is to kind of give into his anger and then living his life based off of that like giving into anger
and and rage and then he sees what it turns it like he has that moment where he hits mary jane
knocks her to the floor and he like you see that that like that was enough to knock him out of the
of the fog and just be like oh shit and then going and like cleansing himself
of like his rage and getting rid of all that and like he it's like he does everything that he
sets out to like it's interesting because it's like once he gets the symbiote then it's it's
he's running off of anger and so like that's where he's hurt mary jane he's gone and attacked harry
and he and then he like has to once he like re cleanses himself he has to go back and deal with
the consequences of his actions even though it wasn't necessarily him it's just still kind of
taking that that accountability yeah no you're absolutely right so i i thought that was it that
was it that part was really well done um and then just seeing him like come back as that symbol of
hope and justice when you get that epic scene where he jumps down in front of the american flag
and like kind of has a little pose for a minute and then runs off and jumped like freaking sick
yeah iconic straight up so this is when i'm i'm not the highest but i'm decently
high on like i'm i'm probably sitting around in a solid 80 like this is one that's like better
than above average it's still not the best in the world but it's it's it's good yeah
yeah yeah you know you got a point yeah you know i'm yeah i gotta match you because yeah i don't
think it deserves to belong in the 70s it barely cracks the 80s but it's it's no 70s when it comes
to the character development yeah all right next up we got effects out of all of the movies this
is probably the one with the effects that don't hold up the greatest that is fair but they fit
but they fit yeah um like i still feel for the most part excuse me when harry's flying on his
glider i still feel it looks pretty good um don't really have any problems with him uh sandman i
still feel looks really good dude sandman looks amazing yeah um i'm sorry no i was just gonna say
my favorite scene that they have is when they're in the armor truck and spider-man punches through
him and he just like that scene still looks freaking incredible like i know it's probably
a really basic special effects shot but it looks really good still it does and especially the fact
after he just literally freaking just grows his fists into like some big bigger and just freaking
just knocks him right out of the truck freaking love that shit dude giant sandman looks dope
he does um how does so so when it comes to like the final fight when he's you know giant sandman
do you still feel that holds up with how his face looks on because i had some i do have some
problems with that because okay that he that's probably where it's like yeah that's where
where it really gets a little bit dicey yeah um but like you gotta like look at it just like the
fact that when it came to um no way home and you know just i mean even if it weren't for scheduling
conflicts with thomas hayden church the fact that when it came to like everything sandman or at
least um like when we're actually showcased flint marco um at the end the fact that that literally
that scene is taken from spider-man 3 just shows how good the effects looked in that movie
yeah i mean damn it it's it's hard to be over critical of of his effects it is because like
even to this day um like don't I love the swinging in spider-man in the amazing spider-man 2 but
there's just something about the swinging and toby wyer's movies that just it's good somewhere but
like makes me feel at peace like just watching him watching toby swing through this the city is
spider-man just it just brings me joy puts such a smile on my face dude you are not wrong like
yeah okay sweet swinging around with andrew garfield feels like a freaking like adrenaline rush
where like i'm just remember like when he's swinging around at the beginning like before
he gets freaking like swooped by new goblin like it is it is a very peaceful
like motion that they were able to create yeah and then yeah like with garfield it is very much
like a freaking adrenaline trip which you know hey it it works for his uh iteration yeah yeah um
yeah like i'm trying to think of like any horrible effects but i can't think of anything that was
just like not good like i think sam ramey does a good job at doing going as practical as he's
capable of which i really appreciate i do too um like i thought sandman even though he was
doing like weird stuff with his body like morphing it into big item sent like i thought that looked
really good um oh the freaking train fight between dark spidey and sandman oh that fight looked
awesome yeah it still looks good agreed and it's freaking terrifying to this day like yeah yeah
it really is it's so good that's probably my favorite sequence uh with him in the black suit
that that's fair um god i don't even know what my favorite part with him in the black suit is
honestly probably gonna sound basic when he first like realizes it like he like lands on the freaking
side of the building he like pulls off the mask and he's just like realizing the power that he has
with his new suit that basic but that's probably my favorite yeah my so i'll say favorite moment
overall is when he ends up like being taken by the suit and then he like wakes up and he's upside
down like staring at himself in the mirror or in the glass yeah i'm gonna change my answer sorry
that yes like yeah freaking yeah and like he's like yeah just like the way he's like clean
clinging onto the freaking window of the building and he's just like looking at it and he's like
and he's just like looking at his hand just oh my god like literally now when i see that now i still
get chills i'm like this is so freaking cool yeah and then like like i said combat with sandman in
the in the sewers was the best because yes like especially when sam man's like trying to run away
and like he keeps looking back and then you see spider-man on the wall when the train's coming by
and then he like crawls away like that's classic sam raymie shit and i loved it yeah so good and
dude like sam raymie knows how to build up like a horror sequence and what that was that was just
one big horror sequence with spidey yeah and like i freaking love that when he's like fighting
spider-man and like spidey's yelling like i do remember ben parker the man you got shot down in
cold blood and then he like he's like like what's it what's it to you and then he like goes and
swings the train comes by like ripping by and he's just like everything i'm like
ah so good i'm like this is the shit this is peak spider-man
and yeah and just how freaking scary it was when he became or when he like
opened up the the the piping and flooded him out yeah and basically sees him melt away and
like just dude his toby mcguire's evil voice is freaking awesome it is like the way that he was
just like good riddance yeah so i i so this is this is what i'm going to dock for in terms of
the effects i'm going to to adjust for giant sandman okay what i don't do we talk about venom
i can't remember despite how venom looked he looked like and like in terms of like how he was
designed he looked really good he did yeah like i know like a lot of people are used to like the
big broody venom like you know we got in the two new movies but yeah like honestly for the direction
the way that they made venom look like it would be um tofor grace's eddie brock yeah i feel looked
really it worked really well and it looked really good this is why i appreciated them going a uh
a practical route because that looked like a real mask yes it did
yeah and like i'd be genuinely shocked if it wasn't but it looked so good the only time it looked fake
is when he was talking to flint yeah other than that it looked incredible but most of the time it
was him like screeching so yeah like he only needed the one pose that's true so i this this is one i i
am fairly high on um docking for giant sandman i think i'm sitting around 92
i think that the unfortunately the the giant sandman just kills it for me a little more i'm sorry
so i'm gonna be sitting at a 90 fair enough all right uh next up we got music bro evil spidey's
bro evil spidey's theme song or score so good you can't beat that shit no you cannot like like hot
freaking damn when it comes to like all three of these movies soundtracks they're all fantastic
they're so so good like was it the same composer for all three uh pretty sure it was danny elfman
all time all three times that explains everything that i needed to know yeah like i've if i knew
like a good way to freaking play the the songs on on here i totally would but just i love the just
like oh like and he does such a good job like danny elfman does a really solid job at freaking um
um actually let me before i feel like i'm talking out my ass it's uh i need the credits real quick
um christopher young did danny elfman not work on this what hold on oh no he was the composer
like he's credited as a composer okay so yeah yeah yeah danny elfman had uh had some say in this
yes okay good yeah um yeah uh what was i saying i think like i think he does a good job at um
designing one theme song but being able to play it in multiple ways where it has like a more like
solemn dark tones and then he has like the kind of the lighter tones and like he's able to he's
able to play around with the music a little bit so you want to hear so interesting thing i don't
know if you saw this but says danny elfman the composer for the previous installments chose not
to return for the third installment of spider-man because of difficulties with director sam ramey
elfman said that he had a miserable experience working with ramey on spider-man 2 and could not
comfortably comfortably comfortably adapt his music christopher young was then announced to score
spider-man 3 in elfman's absence instead elfman chose to work with the 2006 reboot of charlotte's
web a few years later he reunited with ramey to compose the score for os the great and powerful
no shit yeah okay interesting all right well we're giving christopher young all our
yeah christopher young gets all the credit for this one yeah guy did a fantastic job
levels of the elfman with this one yeah he was able to harness elfman really freaking good
yeah so yeah major props major props that unfortunately the rest of the the soundtrack
i wouldn't say is great that's fair it's no freaking um uh what what's like the classic like
hero by nickelback in the original it's it's it's it's nothing like that no not even close
uh so are you sitting with music hannah i'd probably say i'm an eight honestly i can give you an eight
all right next up we got costumes which i actually have references for hell yeah all right so first
stop our first step we got to talk about classic spidey just as good as the first two if not better
it looks so so good yeah the honestly i think the only reason i would say and this isn't even like
necessarily because the suit itself is better i think it was just seeing dark spidey the like
for a majority of the movie and then seeing him come back in the the old red and blues like right
in front of a flag there was just something just like made you feel patriotic about it right yeah
it reminds me of the freaking um please when you've seen that iHOP commercial when um the guy comes
into the diner he's like red wine blue pancakes i wonder what those taste like old man did like
the like most straight face i've ever seen just looks over to him he's just like america
yeah like you can't freaking beat this suit dude you can't like it's there's a reason why
when um they put this in the ps4 spider-man game that almost everyone probably everyone
was playing with this costume like this was everyone's go-to like come on i know it was my
go-to i even tried switching around like to different suits i'm like no i want to i want to
see this as freaking brainy spidey it's so it's it's perfection that's what it is it is still like
like don't get me wrong the amazing spider-man 2 suit is so it's comic accurate it's great but
when it comes to to me just my favorite spider-man suit i've ever seen in live action just how much
not only it means to me but just how much i love watching it in action on screen i always have to
give it to toby maguire's it's just so damn good dude this is baseline like spidey to me like if
right this is this is like this is the starting block yes oh absolutely agree but i mean his suit
is so freaking iconic there's like there's no way you can't look at like when i think
spider-man they're like the there's always like a two images that come into mind first
like my top two my number one is this suit my number two is do you do you know that like the
image of spider-man that used to come on like all the balloons all of like the the coloring books
like just that like super generic looking spider-man yep that that's the second picture that comes in
my brain when i think spider-man dude i love that that's freaking awesome
oh that's so great yeah so that's that's my number one um or my number one and two so yeah this is
like iconic like you can't freaking beat this shit um but they got real freaking close uh with
black suit spider-man dude um freaking whenever the symbiote suit is brought up from any property of
spider-man this will always be my favorite adaptation of it um i wish so much that they
put this in the ps4 spider-man and i pray even though i don't have a ps5 um i'm sure i do want
to get one eventually i hope that since the symbiote suit is going to be in spider-man 2
that this is a dlc um suit because oh my god i want to play in the suit so freaking bad um
because that's a dlc i would purchase and i don't even i like i already know so december 21st is or
not december october 21st is when this game comes out or it's like the 21st or 22nd um
i already have monday and tuesday set aside to go over to the maybes house and play it with
jackson dude that's awesome i love it yeah and if the freaking black uh symbiote suit from ramy is
like a dlc i will happily purchase that shit i'm like not even owning the freaking console like i
will freaking buy that shit because that is the only symbiote suit that i'd want to play as right
oh it's so good so so good um yeah like i don't got any problems with this one just like i don't
with the original it's just so freaking perfect yeah like this this is perfection even though like
the the concepts art for are like actually they built a suit like a concept suit where it is like
the classic um like symbiote outfit like from comics and everything like they had a a practical
suit built for it um that they never did anything with so they just went with this
i'm glad they did it and i'm really glad that they went with this because yeah yeah the other one
looked weird like so just to explain what the other one looked like it had the same eyes
um but instead of it being like the lens with like the the the outline it was like all just one big
white lens and then the suit kind of had a more like a glossy look about it oh my gosh i'm gonna
i'm gonna see if i can freaking find a picture of it i don't know if i love what you're saying
all right let's see if i can pull this shit up
yeah i am really glad that they did not go with that
i am really glad that they did not go with that yeah so it did have um like the the normal lenses
yeah but like they they were playing around with the the spider-man suit but yeah it had a more like
glossy feel about it and i think it would have worked honestly i what i wish they would have
done is something like how they did in spectacular spider-man um have you ever watched spectacular
spider-man i have not okay so in that show when when peter parker originally gets the symbiote
suit it is just a black version of his suit and it like slowly begins to morph into
like a bigger spider okay and like eat like each episode that he has the suit in um like yeah the
like it looks like it's growing like on him so it's like just like the what the the white
spider is just kind of extending and then it eventually becomes what the the classic
black suit from the comics looks like and i think that would have actually worked really well
with something like this but for what we got i freaking love it so no no freaking complaints
love the suit um the next outfit that i wanted to talk about our costume is obviously freaking flint
marco sandman straight out of the freaking comics like you can't get more perfect than this
yeah t-shirt pants perfection yeah i remember someone freaking making the comment that he looks
like steve from blues clues and i'm just like forget you well can't unsee that now
yeah but um yeah sandman looks freaking sick like no complaints with how sandman looks
no complaints with how sandman looks um even like him all like souped up like he he looks really good
he does so yeah no no freaking complaints there like i iconic outfit like freaking 10 out 10
it's basic but i mean who's gonna bitch and complain about that exactly all right next one
is venom minus the whole like pulling the mass back um i really liked how venom looked
like i thought he was really really cool i think he looked cool too i think the biggest thing he's
missing is maybe the tongue the like the tongue i know that like he had a tongue inside his mouth
but it needs to be out that's more like more prominent yeah because yeah venom is definitely
known for that yeah but i mean the eye shape the the the ununiform webbing like all that looked
really freaking good um and then tofer like tofer grace like yeah yeah maybe not the best yeah
yeah so i mean other than that like no complaints when it comes to to venom
we agree other than like biggest one is just that needs some tongue yeah all right then the last
one i'm gonna want to talk about is the new goblin dude this suit was sick yeah it was freaking
yeah it was freaking awesome like i don't remember like having any issues with this suit growing up
i thought like i thought it was freaking cool like i'm like freaking snowboarder as the glider like
that's dope yeah like he's freaking got like a ninja assassin vibe like this was working for me
the same here yeah so freaking no complaints here i think this was a really freaking bitchin suit
yeah i agree yeah so uh where are you sitting with uh with costumes um honestly just because
just because like those problems that we have with them like i agree with you know
the tongue the like whole pulling back just so he can talk that just it didn't always look great um
so like for that like if it weren't for that i'd honestly be at a 10 um but i was that but because
of that um i'd personally be at a nine but i can definitely do an eight if you're feeling that
i i am at a nine and that is strictly be like same as you strictly because of venom
all right last we got our own personal scores do you want to take this one first i would love to um
so like we pointed out this movie gets way too much hate it's not as bad as everyone says that
it is um yes it does have some problems um but i blend that all on like studio interference like
what sam ramey actually did himself he did a really good job um it's say it's i feel it's a
really good conclusion to the spider-man trilogy um it's not the greatest we could have gotten
um it could have been better i definitely agree with that but for what we got i'm i'm pleased i'm
i'm i'm for the most part happy with it um the performances are great um the actions great the
freaking costumes especially are great like oh my god can't say enough good about those costumes um
so overall
i think they might go on 84 funny enough i am like barely below you i'm sitting at an 83
okay i was wondering how close we were going to be i like yeah i freaking love when that happens
yeah i i have a real soft spot in my heart for this movie it's it's not as bad as everyone like
claims it to be it's it still has its like redeeming qualities about it and in the end
it's still a spider-man movie so like it's not the best but it's also not the worst by a freaking
mile and even like even if it was like just for shits and giggles even if it was the worst
it's the worst of spider-man movies which all spider-man movies are freaking sick yeah like
even i'll even say amazing spider-man is like i'll say that like it's a bad movie it's not a bad
movie yeah like even if you don't love it there is a lot to love in it yeah so i i i have a soft
spot in my heart heart for this movie this is one i will absolutely watch on my rotation like i
actually might watch three more than i do one and the only reason is because i have a thing against
origin movies watching origin movies more than once that's fair i mean two is always my go-to
though always be my go-to but that's freaking loved i mean huge part in the fact that doc ock
has always been my favorite spider-man villain so i'm a little biased yeah so
yeah like i said i freaking i freaking love this movie um so with that that concludes this week's
um this week's breakdown i did not do a good job at lining where the sub or like i stopped
with music all right anyway so going through these scores real quick starting off with story
we ended up sitting at an 87 it was a unanimous decision to be at a 75 when it came to writing
so that was like the biggest hit on this movie uh acting came back up a little bit sitting at an 85
the character development wasn't the best in the world so we ended up giving that an 80 the effects
were rock solid so we ended up giving that one a an 80 or 91 music ended up sitting at an eight out
of ten and that's just because an amazing score the rest of the soundtrack was a little meh but
but i think that the the score was able to save this movie uh next up costumes we ended up giving
this a nine out of ten and then our personal score averaged out to an 83.5 so with that the final
albrose letter grade for spider-man 3 has come out to a drum noise it came out to a b okay i'm cool
with that i am absolutely okay with that um i think it has a pretty decent home
yeah i'm excited yeah no i agree i'm just excited to see what it ranked above and what below
honestly just like first looks not hating it okay um all right so
spider-man 3 is currently sitting at a an 84.56 percent that puts it on the exact same level
as christopher robin interesting yeah which i mean i'm in total agreeance with that yeah
yeah i agree yeah so this puts it below the matrix resurrections uh puts it below megan
i can see like you were i disagree with that one you said it's below megan below megan yeah
sorry i'm gonna disagree with that one that's me if it helps it's like barely all right that yeah
that cushions to blow yeah like here let me pull out my calculator i'll do the math
all right so megan is at an 84.81 which puts 84.56 so it's it's 0.25 percent
okay all right that that does not even a full percentage it's a freaking quarter of a percent
all right that makes me feel better
all right it's below the little mermaid 2023 okay yeah i i can agree with that
uh it's below hocus pocus which is at an 85 okay i can agree with that as long as it's not below
hocus pocus 2 it's uh i don't remember where hocus pocus 2 ended up yeah really quickly
can we talk about you know it's very weird that they released hocus pocus 2 last year
when this year is the 30th anniversary of hocus pocus like why would you not release it
the 30th anniversary because they're dumb yeah you know what you're not wrong all right uh let's
see it's below holes which is at an 85.25 yeah fair uh and then this one i think you might have
an issue with it's below the flash which is at an 85.31 i'm honestly it's below the flash
below the flash i'm okay with that because are you because i am too i really like i know everyone
hates that so many people hate on that movie but like i really enjoyed the flash it was what it was
exactly what i wanted it to be people are hating on it for no reason uh they have their reasons
i know like other than the special effects the movie itself isn't like this the special effects
and you know certain people that are in the movie um dude you can't just look past that just yeah
look at it as a freaking movie um and yeah shitty people are in movies too yeah yeah you'll see a
pretty actually solid superhero film yeah but i feel like we're like one of the few
like reviewers or critics that can separate the art the artist exactly yep agreed yeah
yep agreed yeah so yeah so it's it's that's where it's sitting what's below what it's sitting above
i actually like really agree with oh really okay so it's above prey which is at an 84.43
yeah i can definitely agree with that it's above avengers age of ultron
um yeah sorry i don't agree with that what i dude i i feel i'm one of the few people that will defend
age of ultron and i'm sorry i like avengers age of ultron more than spider-man 3 all right uh let's
see it's above blue beetle yeah i i can agree with that all right it's above solo a star wars story
a star a star wars story yeah that's fair and then it is above free guy okay yeah i do like
spider-man 3 more than free guy i will say though like don't like don't get me wrong i agree with
you know it being above solo but solo is another uh movie that i feel gets way too much hate
it's actually a pretty decent star wars movie if you give it a chance dude the freaking margins
for this though are so ridiculously close like it's fine just like in terms of like with spider-man
3 like you have to go what is that 84.56 yeah you have to go 12 movies up to get 1% away
damn bro that's insane yeah so that's going from technically 13 if you i i don't count 13 because
i christopher robin and spider-man 3 are on the same level but it's just alphabetized yeah so like
either of these it's it's a 12 percent or it's 12 movie difference between 84.56 and 85.56
and the 85.56 is a cruella okay wow and then go in the opposite direction so going down to an 83.5
we're at like lady and the tramp 2019 okay and technically that's like a little bit over 1%
so if we went like under the with no hard feeling that'd be no hard feelings
that'd be no hard feelings that's like the full percentage okay wow so yeah i'm not hating where
this is at yeah i'm not either i think overall a b is a very solid score for this agreed um
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