What is up bros, I'm Caleb and I'm Jonathan.
We are a couple of bros on a mission to give you guys the most detailed movie reviews out there with as little bias as possible.
Welcome to the all bros.
This week on the podcast we have one item in 4k spotlight that we're going to talk about.
And then we actually have some through the wall stuff which we haven't had in for who knows how long.
That is very true.
Yeah, so we have a trailer for a new movie coming out and then we got some behind the scenes pictures for a Netflix series that I'm excited about.
Rose is indifferent because he hasn't finished the damn thing.
So...
Caleb needs to go F off. That's what needs to happen.
Hey maybe I didn't actually like it, maybe that's why I didn't finish it.
That's bullshit, if you gave it a chance you would like it you asshole.
Hey you know what, I'm just saying that not everybody has to love something that is commercially loved.
Dude, you haven't even given it like an honest chance.
I watched the whole season 1, I liked it, I didn't love it. Just saying.
That seems like bullshit. Did you really?
I did actually.
I should freaking quiz you.
Wow, okay so just because I didn't fully like something Caleb's calling me out.
I'm calling you out because I don't think you gave it an honest effort.
That's all I have to say.
Oh man.
Anyway.
Before we begin we're trying some new stuff, hopefully this ends up working out. It should.
But if it doesn't, just know it's our experimentation that's going wrong.
So...
Anyway.
So now that we've covered that, let's say we get into this week...
Or into 4K Spotlight.
I stopped myself before.
Let's just get into this episode.
No, I was going to say you didn't even say the headliner.
The headliner. Oh!
Yeah, so this week for the headliner we will be breaking down the Flash.
Jesus.
And I thought I was bad. Usually I'm the one that screws up.
Fair enough.
Like I said, it's an experimental week. We're trying new things and screwing that up is a new thing.
Shouldn't be. But you know what?
It shouldn't be, but it is.
It's okay man. It's okay.
It's okay. We forgive you and we love you. Don't worry.
So without further ado, let's say we officially get into this.
Let's do that.
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Alright, starting this week off with 4K Spotlight, we have one new item that we're going to talk about.
So, Rose, would you like to tell everyone about this?
I love how he says that about this. I would love to.
I had by myself enough time to get everything up.
Alright, fair enough.
So, got one new release coming out this week and I wouldn't say it's huge, but it's definitely something that I want to check out because I've never seen the original Evil Dead, but I definitely checked out the remake and I had such a good time with that one.
And the freaking trailers for this movie were freaking amazing with the one scene where it's the little girl looking through the peephole and the freaking mom has that scary ass face and she's like, open up there.
That shit freaked me the hell out there. That shit freaked me the hell out. I was like, oh hell to the gnome.
Dude, I don't know what movie this trailer played before. I know it was one that I went to see for the show. I forget which one though, but this scared the living bejesus out of me, dude.
I was like, I just pray that Rose doesn't want to break this one down.
Honestly, I didn't think that you would want to, so that's why I didn't ask.
I would have said no if you would have tried to make me watch this in theaters. I'm a little bit more open, but still hesitant.
Okay, so this is coming to max soon, I think, like next week. So say that we're kind of scratching for a title to review in the near future. Is this on the table?
This can be on the table.
Okay, hell yeah. Okay. So, getting into the actual release of this.
There is no Steelbook or, yeah, there's no Steelbook, no special edition, nothing like that, unfortunately.
The only thing that we're getting for this is just a bare bones 4K and Blu-ray release, along with this, I don't know how I feel about it yet.
The Brothers celebrating 100 years thing that they're doing for every 4K release right now.
Or actually, no, every release, because they're doing it for 4K and Blu-ray, as you can see on the Blu-ray.
See, they're doing the exact same thing. I think it's kind of weird. I feel it works more with the 4K, just because I like how instead of the 4K Ultra HD being gray, it's either gray or white.
Like it usually is. I like that it's gold to go with the 100. So it works for the 4K, but Blu-ray, they didn't change anything. They just added that.
So, it's kind of bland in my opinion. It doesn't work with the Blu-ray, but the 4K, I can look past it. It's not horrible for how it looks on 4K.
Is that a permanent fixture on the cover?
I'm assuming just for the rest of this year.
Dude, that sucks.
So, if you're, one of your favorite movies that is owned by Warner Brothers comes out, or sorry, if you're looking forward to a movie that is coming out this year that is, that Warner Brothers is distributing,
you're going to hate that this is going to most likely be on its Blu-ray and 4K release. So, I'm sure we're going to see this on the Flash, we'll see it on Barbie. Yeah, that sucks.
I mean, we saw it on Shazam as well.
Dumb.
Yeah. Like I said, the 4K works more than the Blu-ray. That's all I can say.
Dude, what that should be is like a cardboard strip that's just kind of sealed in with the cover that you can like cut off.
Fair enough.
But I mean, that being a permanent fixture, I mean, it's cool because it's like you kind of know when you got it, but it's also a freaking eyesore, especially with like a scary cover like that.
Honestly, I'm kind of amazed that because Disney is doing the same thing right now. They're celebrating 100 years and so I don't know if you've seen them like, have you gone to a Target recently at all or anything like that?
I have not.
Okay, so they're releasing a lot of their like, you know, like classic movies like they've done Toy Story, Coco, Up, I mean, these are all Pixar movies, but they've done like the Aristocats, freaking, I think they did Robin Hood, Encanto, Moana, you know, a bunch of Disney movies that they're re-releasing with like specific covers that say Disney's 100th anniversary.
So they're doing that, but then they're also doing steel books of them as well, of certain ones, not all of them, that they're making exclusive to Best Buy.
So I appreciate that they're not doing it for every single new movie that's coming out from Disney. They're just doing it on past releases.
So if you already have the movie when it first came out, you're not affected by it. It's only, oh hey, you know, like either, oh, I never bought it so I kind of have to get the 100th anniversary or I want this different cover for the 100th anniversary from Disney.
Whereas with Warner Bros., yeah, you're kind of stuck with it.
That's kind of cool.
Yeah, so I guess when it comes to 100th anniversaries, point Disney or the balls in Disney's court because I feel that they're doing it a lot better than what Warner Bros. is doing here.
Definitely seems like it. So are those the only covers for the 4K?
What do you mean?
Like for Evil Dead, like are those the only, like that's the only cover?
Yep, yeah, that was the only poster that we ever got. So I guess that's the reason why that's the only cover.
Lazy.
They could have gotten super freaking creative with that, dude.
Fair enough.
What are the covers called? I mean, you had a fancy name for it last week, but what are the covers called that have like different pictures?
Oh, Lenticular.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, Lenticular cover.
Dude, so I saw the Avatar 2 one at Walmart, Lenticular cover, god damn, that actually might be the edition I go for with Avatar 2.
Yeah, dude, it looks beautiful. It's pretty.
Yeah, so what I was thinking with this one would have been cool if it would have just been like a black, like just a black cover with at one angle with the Evil Dead Rise dead center, and then you turn it and it's the freaking smiley face chick.
Oh, I like that.
Right? That would have been sick.
Yeah.
Damn. They should have made that a Walmart exclusive.
Dude, I needed, who do I talk to to design these freaking covers?
Beats me, man. Beats me.
But I'll fully admit there's some, when they announced some steel books I'm just like, yo, dude, Caleb could have come up with such a better idea.
I mean, not to toot my own horn, but I feel like I can.
Yeah. Anything else for 4k?
No, that's it for 4k for brand new releases.
All right.
Moving on over to through the wall.
We actually have a couple new announcements. So let's start with the pictures first.
So the images are the first images for the Netflix live action.
Avatar the Last Airbender came out and they look fantastic.
It's funny how mad people were not mad, but just like people are fine with this.
They like how he looks. But a lot of people were for some reason people were just like the arrow looks stupid.
I'm just like, that is literally where I'm trying to crawl right from the screen.
Yeah, I know.
Stupid. Is there no pleasing you fans? Like seriously?
No joke. Like I freaking heard people saying like, oh, so they're not going to do anything original with it.
And they're like, they did the first go around and everyone hated it.
But listen, as much like this is freaking flawless in my eyes.
Dude, I don't even really watch the show and I would agree.
Yeah, like his suit is freaking awesome. And have you seen like the details on his arrows?
Uh huh.
So check that out. If you zoom in on his arrows, they have like little designs.
Oh, okay.
Like it's not just like a freaking blue freaking tattoo. It's like it has like a pattern like in a design. It looks freaking awesome.
Yeah, that's pretty badass. I'm not going to lie.
Like this gets me hyped all by itself.
Fair. Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah. So freaking super pumped for this. So we got the image for Aang. We got the image for Katara.
I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be like the other thing that we're talking about.
But anyway, we got the image for Katara, which her outfit looks awesome.
I hope that water ends up looking a little bit better.
Fair.
Like it looks like she's water bending and holding like water for those of you that can't see this.
But I mean, she looks great.
Like I love what they did with her coat.
Like it looks fantastic.
So I mean, I love how she looks.
You know what I would find funny is if after this series comes out and just to like out of spite for like people that are just giving it,
giving these like design shit for just how close they are to the cartoon,
that M. Night Shyamalan's movie just gets like a whole new appreciation.
Like people like start backing it and people are just like it's a cult classic.
You just you have to understand the franchise to really appreciate this movie.
It's like, no, it's a bad it's a bad iteration.
It's a bad iteration.
That's all it is.
I will literally light something on fire if that happens.
Dude, I could see it happening.
I'm dead serious for how freaking some people are on the Internet.
Just yeah, I could totally see it.
There might be a new love for M. Night Shyamalan's The Last Airbender for some people in the near future.
I'm calling it right now.
I would be furious.
I'm talking like it finally gets its deserved 4K release, 4K steel buck, the whole nine yards.
Geez.
Oh, dude, don't bring that into don't manifest that.
I will I will punch you in the throat.
The next image we got is of Sokka.
And dude, this looks dope.
I wish that they would have freeze framed a little on a different image because I don't know, like the with his mouth open, it like takes away from how cool the costume is for me.
It's just the way that he's looking.
Yeah, Sokka is an interesting character because he's supposed to be like his father and like the rest of the water tribe warriors have have like left.
So he's like taking that upon himself to be like the defender of his tribe.
Hmm.
And yeah.
So, I mean, Sokka is going to be like he looked so he looks fantastic.
I'm just going to get that right out there.
I love what they did, like making him look like he's in like armor or just kind of like a warrior's garb.
But I hope he's funny.
Yeah, I hope so, too.
Yeah, that's that's going to be the deciding factor on whether I like Sokka or not.
Like I need to see something with him being funny.
This doesn't instill that he's going to be, but I'm not holding this image against him because he didn't get to pick this picture.
What would you do if they completely flipped the personalities of the of the siblings that he's the serious one and Tana's not that she's the funny one?
I don't know if I'd like that.
I'll say that'd be very bold.
And I honestly would I would kind of like appreciate them for doing that.
But I know that there would be a freaking uproar from fans of this franchise if they did that.
Absolutely.
So I'm hoping that they keep true.
I have no reason to believe that they're not.
I mean, if you can't go this frickin accurate to the show and not.
So I'm hoping that I'm just hoping that he's not too overly serious or if he is serious, have it kind of be like a comedic seriousness.
Like where he's trying to take things seriously, but things just kind of like happen to him and he's like, like.
Yeah.
OK, I see where you come from.
And then so the last image that we got from this comes from or is of Zuko.
I may have a similar issue that I had with the M.
Knight and like this is like I wish he wasn't wearing the helmet.
I want to see the full extent of this scar.
That's fair.
But I mean, looking past that costume looks badass.
Dude, the costume is sick.
Like every single costume in this set in this gallery is straight up ripped from the animated show.
Like to my minute minute detail.
It's honestly insane.
Yeah.
So I love the suit that he's wearing and like the helmet.
It's like awesome.
Absolutely awesome.
The only thing that's making me worried is the scar not being like I mean, it looks bad.
It looks a lot worse than it did in the M.
Knight version.
So I'm kind of I'm happy about that.
Yeah, OK.
I just kind of hope it's like a like significant like I wanted to be like basically up to the top of his temples.
OK.
So if they do that, I'm going to I'll be thrilled.
And so like I don't know, the only like the only other issue, too, is watching the show or watching clips from the show.
His eye seems a little bit more like I won't say swollen, but it's more like closed.
Oh, it is.
Yeah.
Like his other eye opens up a lot wider than this one.
Like it it it has movement to it, but it's always seems to be a little bit more shut than how this looks.
Gotcha.
So I'm overall costume wise, absolutely thrilled.
So I am beyond excited for this.
So, yeah, that covers everything for for this, at least.
So very excited for this.
The next thing that we're going to talk about is the trailer for Craven the Hunter.
Did you end up watching this funny story?
I forgot.
Oh, you bastard.
I'm sorry.
Literally, literally as you were when you were saying what we were going over and I saw the through the wall.
I'm like, oh, God damn it.
Oh, sorry.
I do.
I suck.
Sorry, guys.
Although, honestly, I feel that I promise I will watch this like honestly after we record, I'll watch it.
But I feel I wouldn't have that much to say because I hardly know anything about Craven the Hunter as a Spider-Man villain.
He's one, nothing against the character.
He's the one Spider-Man villain just I never really I never really got.
Like, I never really saw the big appeal of him.
He is like he's down there for my favorite Spider-Man villains.
So sorry.
I think there are some storylines that may sway you.
OK.
Like if you were to read the comics, but it's understandable.
Like Craven's kind of not one of the top tier.
He's kind of like B level, C level.
Like he might be higher for some people because of those storylines.
Yeah.
But I understand where you're coming from with this.
Thank you.
Just to kind of give you a gist of what this was about.
OK.
It shows like a flashback of him, his brother and his father and he his father's picking them up from a school driving.
He tells them that their mother is dead and Craven is saying, oh, it's because you sent her away.
And he's like, no, it's because she was weak.
And so I'm we're kind of led to him.
Yeah. So it's jacked up.
And so they go on a hunting trip or like a safari and they're out to shoot a lion.
And Craven is like comes basically like face to face with this damn thing and like go like has his like has him in his sights and everything.
Doesn't pull the trigger.
His father, like basically abandons him and he gets like mauled by this damn lion.
But he fights it and somehow gets lion blood in him.
So I'm I hope that it's not just some regular ass lion.
And he's like, oh, lion blood.
And so suddenly he gets like super strength and has like senses of of animals and and other crap like that.
But that's kind of what it seems like where it's just some random ass lion.
He cuts the lion, some blood gets on it on his wound and suddenly he has like abilities.
OK. Interesting.
It sounds dumb and I'm hoping that it's a little bit more involved than that.
Dude, did I ever tell I'm like really quickly going not going off tangent.
But did I ever tell you that that that kind of like the whole like blood going into someone else was one of the ideas that Dom Mancini had for how Chucky comes to life in the original Child's Play?
I don't think you've ever told me that.
I would have been super dumb.
It would have.
The whole idea was that because apparently like he wanted it to be like the skin of the good guy dolls was like very fragile.
So if you played with it too hard, like the skin was breaking, you'd have to go out and buy good guy band-aids.
And so, yeah, dead serious.
This was one of his ideas.
And so one of the ideas was that Chucky's thumb gets cut somehow and then Andy's also gets cut and their bloods mixed together.
And that's how Chucky comes to life.
Dumb. So dumb.
Yeah, no, I'm glad that they went the voodoo direction.
That was the right call.
Much better route.
But yeah, sorry, just that reminded me of that.
So, yeah, getting back to Kraven, he does have like enhanced senses.
It does seem like he has some sort of supernatural power because his eyes change color.
Like, so like they kind of glow.
So he has like different types of sight.
But what got me really excited for this is, I mean, not only is it Aaron Taylor Johnson, which is fantastic.
It's going to be rated R and they kind of showed off how rated R it was going to be.
Oh, shit. OK. Yeah, like he was jumping around.
He was bushwhacking all types of people.
Like it shows him like running towards this car, he jumps on it, rips a door open, but it's not like rips it open.
He like bends the top of the door down and jumps in, beats everyone up.
And then there's like this one guy and he like bites the dude's nose off.
And then it shows like other things that are happening where it's like one guy gets hit with an axe.
One guy gets spear.
Like it's it's a brutal trailer, but interesting.
OK, this is what should have happened with Morbius.
It should have gotten a rated R treatment. Oh, yeah, I agree.
And that's the only thing that's that has me excited for this because Sony has proven that their villain movies kind of blow.
True. Yeah, that is very true.
Yeah. So I'm pretty excited for this more so than I usually would be.
So I'm actually I'm like at a six, six out of ten.
I thought it was going to be higher than that.
No, like maybe like a seven.
Like, don't get me wrong. I'm hesitant because this is this is Sony we're talking about and Sony blows sometimes.
I was going to say, hey, Spiderverse, that animated doesn't count.
All right. In my eyes, in my eyes, animated doesn't count.
All right. Fine. Yeah, that's all I got.
Um, so anyway, that is basically everything we have for through the wall.
So unless you have anything else to say, which I doubt.
Damn. No, I don't.
Well, I mean, do you have any like you can watch the Kraven trailer, I guess.
But no, I don't. Sorry.
Yeah. So without further ado, let's let's get into this headliner.
Let's do it.
All righty. So like we said, this week's headliner, we will be breaking down DC's latest movie, The Flash.
So for those of you that are. Oh, wait, wait, wait. We haven't.
We did post a question of the week. I am on one this week, dude.
Don't worry, man. I forgot to pull mine out. God damn it.
I suck at shit. So we didn't get any responses on YouTube or Instagram like we usually do.
So on TikTok, we did get a few responses and I thought I was like, OK, perfect.
We have 13, but I realized that a lot of those are ones that I made.
We. Yeah. So we did get some responses.
So Rose and I will go kind of just back and forth between our favorites.
So. Yeah, no, no particular order with this one.
So. Yeah.
So you want to go first? Oh, I forgot to say our question.
Oh, my gosh, dude, it has been a week.
The question that we asked that was in relation to you.
I'm laughing at like the first fricking comment that I see.
What? I never saw DJ's comment and I just stumbled upon it.
Jesus. Yeah.
So the the question that we asked was in relation to this movie,
if you traveled back in time and met your past self,
how would you prove to them that you're you like them them from the future?
Like, how would you prove that?
And yeah, so we did get some pretty decent responses,
some that were a little confusing, but yeah.
So, Rose, you want to hit us with your first one?
Yes, because I'm curious because Caleb wrote question marks for the reply.
But Liam said, I know what you did on June 10th, 2020.
What did I do on June 10th, 2020? Because even I don't know.
Yeah, beats it on me. Where the hell was I on June 10th, 2020?
That's what got me with this other one from
was it King Masseek?
Because he did the same thing.
He's like, I know what you did on your birthday, June 10th, 2019.
I mean, first off, my birthday is not in June, but yeah.
Like, I feel like there's a TikTok joke that we missed out on.
Yeah, but oh well.
Yeah, so I don't know what else to say about that.
Like, now I really want to remember what I was doing on June 10th, 2020.
Like honestly, I wish that my memory was that good.
Remember?
In 2020?
We were probably recording.
Oh, really? Okay, well there we go.
Yeah, it was on a Wednesday.
Well, I thought we recorded on Thursdays when you were still living out here.
Yeah. I could have sworn our recording days were Thursdays.
It might have been Thursdays.
Okay, so who knows what we were doing then?
Yeah, maybe we were seeing a movie.
Probably. That's a pretty good guess too.
Alright, so mine is from Hi or General Batman who said,
Hold them at gunpoint and use mustard gas to convince myself that I'm me.
All I have to say to that is Jesus Christ.
Damn!
I know, it kind of seems a bit excessive.
Like, I'm pretty sure you could do a lot less and still get your message across, but hey, you do you.
Yeah.
Alright, what you got?
Alright, I'm sorry, I have to do the one from DJ on Trend Up.
Okay.
Choke them by a dumpster, kidnap their kids, start a cult, become the mad goose wizard, never get cancelled, you know, the normal stuff.
What the hell?
Oh shit.
Dude, DJ, I just want to know, how little of sleep were you going off of when you wrote that?
Dude, this is all stuff that Ezra's done.
Oh, I get that joke now.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, apparently for like a long time.
I don't know if it was like him that came up with the nickname or what, like I don't remember the whole story behind the mad goose wizard, but yeah.
Oh, that's freaking hilarious.
Oh, I feel like a dumbass now.
My bad.
Yeah, DJ, you've won the freaking internet for the day because goddamn, that's hilarious.
I feel so, oh god, I feel so stupid.
I think you're fine.
But yeah, so that was freaking hilarious.
Let's see.
Next we got a response from Bobby H15 who said, I would tell my past self a secret that only I know and nobody else knows.
And then just to follow up, I asked him like, so how many of those do you have on hand? And he's like, probably three.
And that's probably the answer I'd go with too.
Like, I don't think there's too many things that I could tell myself to convince myself.
But I mean, I've looked the same since I was like five.
That's true.
Yeah, literally the only thing that really changed about Caleb was his voice got a hell of a lot deeper and facial hair.
Yeah, that's really it.
I think even with facial hair, like you can, I could tell that I'm me.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
I hope.
I mean, that's putting a lot of faith in younger me, but.
Oh shit, that's funny.
But I was I feel like I was naive enough to quickly believe that.
Like, I think if someone had someone come up to 10 year old me and been like, hey, I'm you from the future.
If they even looked remotely like me, I probably would believe them.
Honestly, same.
Like, I'm not going to lie here.
Honestly, same.
Dude, like he pulls an inhaler, if he pulls an inhaler out of his back pocket, I'm like, yep, you're me.
Oh, man.
Yeah, I.
I'm trying to think like I feel like I was dumb enough to like to buy into that real quick.
I think I was always sort of convinced like, hey, if I went back in time as an adult, like I could be watching myself right now.
And so I'd like look around, see if anyone was like hiding behind a tree or some shit like that.
And obviously, never ended up working out that way.
But, you know, one day, man, one day.
Yeah. So is what it is, I guess.
Yeah.
It is what it is.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
All right. You want to take the last one then?
Oh, shit. How did I miss the last one?
Oh, there was. Yeah, there's one more.
We didn't get too many responses.
I'm sorry. For whoever wrote that last one, I truly apologize.
Mo commented. I'm assuming it's Mo.
Secrets, ID, looks, interests.
Now, the question is, if I were to go up to, if I were to ask my, my, wow, my, my past self, what is one, what is a, what shrine are you going to have dedicated to a serial killer?
Do you think that they would know it?
Do you think that they would know John Wayne Gacy?
I, and I can't believe I just straight up called it a shrine.
Oh, man.
Gosh, I had thought you lost it.
Sorry.
You weren't into him. Like, how long has it been since you've been like, collecting that stuff?
Uh, I think I started in like 2021, I think.
Yeah. So, so unless you like, okay, a couple years, like if it's like, oh, that's me from a couple years ago, like, yeah, I probably would have bought that.
But, like that, I think that'd be easy to be like, hey,
but I'm talking like past past self, I'm pretty sure that would like, I, I hope that would set off baby roses radar.
That's like, hey, maybe this, I shouldn't be hanging around this guy.
Oh, you know, fair enough.
Yeah. Like I said, fingers crossed, but I'm pretty sure they'd be like, what?
Did I tell you that I got another copy of Gacy's lawyer?
I got Gacy's lawyer to sign another copy of his book for me.
And I'm honestly amazed that he actually signed it what I wanted him to.
Like, I'm honestly, I think he'll just sign whatever.
I had him sign it to Jonathan, a true Gacy enthusiast.
Alright.
I liked it better. I like it better than like the first time I had him sign it.
Fair enough.
Dude, I freaking got to get the Gacy Gazette going again, because like I have so many ideas.
Like I have a full idea of how I want every episode to play out full agenda for every single episode.
I just need to actually freaking press record. God damn it.
Do it.
I'm sorry. It's happening, guys. I promise you it's happening.
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Yeah. So now getting into this week's headliner of our breakdown of the Flash.
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So anyway, with without further ado, if you have not seen the Flash, this is one we highly recommend you guys check out.
It is really good.
So if you listen beyond this point and haven't seen the Flash, we are about to spoil the entire frickin movie for you.
In our favorite segment that we like to call reading with Rose.
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It went look why aren't any.
At the present, he is knocked out of the Speed Force by another Speedster and ends up in
an alternate 2013 where his mother is alive.
He finds his past self and realizes he has arrived on the day he originally obtained
his powers.
Barry and his younger self go to the Central City Police Department where Barry forces
2013 Barry to be struck by lightning in order to recreate the accident that gave him his
powers.
Both Barrys end up getting struck by lightning, giving the 2013 Barry his powers but causing
Barry to lose his own powers in the process.
As Barry struggles to train 2013 Barry on how to properly use his powers, the two of them
see a broadcast by General Zod who is preparing to invade Earth.
The Barrys attempt to assemble the Justice League but are unsuccessful as in this timeline
they are unable to locate...
Diana?
Cyborg?
Sorry.
Wow.
Sorry.
I put you there.
The Barrys attempt to assemble the Justice League but are unsuccessful as in this timeline
they are unable to locate...
Diana?
Victor Stone slash Cyborg where he has not gained his abilities yet and Arthur Curry
slash Aquaman was never born.
The two travel to Wayne Manor hoping to find Batman but instead fight an alternate older
version of Bruce who has retired from crime fighting.
Bruce explains that the concept of the multiverse revealing that using time travel to alter
history not only affects events after the alteration but before it as well explaining
why Barry notices changes to the timeline that occurred before his initial point of
time travel.
The two Barrys convince Bruce to help find Kal-El slash Superman.
Using a back door connection to NASA within the Batcave, Barry and Bruce are able to locate
a Kryptonian pod that was reportedly discovered in Siberia.
Upon arrival they instead find Kal-El's cousin Kara Zor-El slash Supergirl.
After rescuing Kara from the facility, Barry asks Bruce to help him get his powers back
by recreating the original accident.
The first attempt fails and nearly kills Barry, prompting Kara to fly Barry into the storm
and get struck by lightning a second time, successfully reviving his powers.
Kara and Bruce join the two Barrys to fight Zod's forces.
During the battle with Zod, Kara learns that Zod intercepted an infant Kal-El's escape
pod and killed him during a failed attempt to retrieve the codex needed to repopulate
the Kryptonian species, with Zod revealing the codex was within Kara.
The two fight, with Zod overpowering and killing Kara and obtaining the codex from her blood,
while Bruce is also killed.
The two Barrys travel back through time to save their companions, but are unable to change
their fates.
Barry realizes that they will not be able to save them, but 2013 Barry keeps trying,
repeatedly traveling back through time, but always failing.
As 2013 Barry travels, the multiverse starts to collapse in on itself.
Eventually the corrupted speedster who originally knocked Barry out of the speed force returns
and is revealed to be a future version of 2013 Barry, who still believes he can save
his world from Zod and prevent the deaths of Bruce and Kara.
He explains the casual loot paradox that led to his creation, but grows angry when Barry
reveals his intention to reverse the changes to the timeline by letting Nora die.
Enraged, the dark speedster attempts to kill Barry, but impales 2013 Barry, who sacrifices
himself to save Barry and wipes the dark speedster from the timeline.
In the aftermath, Barry undoes the changes he made to the timeline and comes to terms
with his mother's death.
However, he makes a minor change in the past, creating new evidence in the present day that
proves Henry's innocence.
After returning to the present and helping an exonate Henry, Barry is contacted by Bruce,
whose appearance has changed once again as a result of Barry's timeline change.
I will say this, I'm kind of glad that they didn't spoil in that description what the
changes were.
Same here, I agree.
For those of you that are listening right now, we're about to, but I'm glad that the
Wikipedia page didn't.
Yeah, no dude, straight up.
Oh, dude, this was a great movie.
It's serious, no, it really was.
This, god, I had so much fun with this one.
This was a blast.
Most of the movies that we've seen like this, I love that there's a different explanation
for time travel, like everywhere.
Yeah, I feel here they did a great job explaining it especially.
They did a great job.
It's a confusing concept, but they made it a lot better than I was concerned that they
were going to.
Fair, no, that's absolutely fair.
I don't really know because it's clear that they definitely based a lot of this off of
the Flashpoint comic series.
I'm not a huge comic book reader.
I love comic book movies, but I really don't read a lot of comic books.
I've never read that, but honestly, I feel if that's what they were going for, for the
most part, I feel that they did a really good job explaining.
The Flashpoint would have been a ridiculously hard story to tell.
They definitely did the best that they could, the best adaptation.
Some of the main differences, I'll say, is when Barry travels back in time, saves his
mom, he comes back to the point in time that he's at.
His mom is alive, but he's lost his connection to the speed force.
In that world that he's essentially created, it is a world where instead of landing in
Kansas, he does land in like, or talking about Superman, instead of Superman landing in Kansas,
he lands somewhere else and is picked up by the government.
They basically do exactly what they did to Kara in this.
They lock him away in a cell and don't expose him to sunlight.
That's from when he's an infant.
When he's actually freed, he's just this tiny, super frail twig of a person.
That gets pretty nuts.
Let's see.
Batman is actually Thomas Wayne.
In that reality, Bruce was the one that got shot in the alleyway.
Thomas became Batman and Martha went into madness and became the Joker.
That is fricking trippy as all hell.
That's all I got to say.
Fricking nuts.
That ended up happening.
Let's see, what else?
Aquaman is basically the same.
Wonder Woman is the same, but Atlantis and Themyscira are at war.
Interesting.
That's the big thing.
In this, they're competing people, but Aquaman and Wonder Woman are set to be married to
basically join the kingdoms of Atlantis and Themyscira together.
In a fit of rage, Mara attacks Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman basically cuts her head off.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Aquaman, being super pissed, becomes a big old war.
It's wild because it's different people on different sides of this war.
I want to say Shazam.
Instead of the Shazam family being their own Shazam people, all seven of them have to say
Shazam to turn into one Shazam.
Right?
Okay.
That's interesting.
It's like seven kids all merged into one.
It's weird.
Yeah, it sounds very weird.
In that reality, Wonder Woman raps.
It's crazy because she's fighting against Shazam, getting whooped.
She raps the lasso around Shazam and says, state your name.
She's forced to say Shazam, turns into Billy and all the other kids, and Wonder Woman just
slaughters them all.
Dude, what the fuck?
There's a movie adaptation of this.
It's animated.
It's on...
That's not HBO Max anymore.
It's on Max.
What's it called?
The Flashpoint Paradox.
Oh, okay.
I should have guessed that.
Great movie, dude.
Great movie.
Okay.
I'll have to check it out.
Yeah, it's freaking wild.
It's crazy because Thomas Wayne Batman goes and finds Martha because the Flash goes to
Batman and Batman helps him regain his powers and everything.
In the midst of this all out war, Thomas goes to find Martha and she's psychopathic because
she's the Joker, but he tells her, hey, this reality isn't real.
Our boy's still alive in what reality is supposed to be.
She's just like, oh, and kind of breaks down, starts crying, and she's like, tell me about
him and she's like, or in the Thomas is like, he's in the family business and she's like,
oh, he's a doctor and he just gives her this super sad look and then she realizes that
he's Batman and it's...
Oh, dude, it's the saddest thing.
Damn, man.
Shit.
Anyway, all that just to say that would have been really freaking hard to pull off in this
movie.
I mean, the director also directed both the chapters of it, so, you know, could have pulled
it off.
I mean, not impossible, but that would have been just out there.
Fair.
That is fair.
I can definitely agree with you on that.
Yeah.
So I...
Despite what I know of the Flashpoint story, I do think that they did a really good job
sharing this, telling the consequences of the Flash's time travel and all that.
It was fantastic.
Oh, no, dude, I absolutely agree.
I honestly thought that I was going to get annoyed with 2013's Flash, but I honestly
didn't.
I was kind of shocked by that.
You think that having two berries would get annoying, but no, I honestly loved every scene
that they were in together.
The fact that Ezra got to play two different styles of Barry Allen, I thought was really,
really cool.
They did a really good job on both.
Yeah, they did great.
What was I going to say about their performance?
Yeah, exactly what you said.
They did a great job.
Really liked what they did with Barry Allen and how they could have played this goofy
the entire time, but I'm glad that they took a serious approach to this.
Absolutely agree.
Honestly, ever since Batman v Superman, like the unpopular opinion here, but Ezra Miller
is my favorite.
He is...
Sorry, they, apologies.
They have done my favorite iteration of The Flash.
I've never seen the CW Flash, so I can't say how I feel about Grant Gustin, but when it
comes to The Flash and DC movies, I honestly love Ezra Miller.
When it comes to the character, I think that they do a great job.
I'm pushing aside what happened in personal life just looking at the performance.
That's all I'm looking at.
With just looking at that, ever since Batman v Superman, I have been on board with how
that they portray this character.
We definitely only got a glimpse of how they were going to do it, but after that with both
versions of Justice League, I feel, even his little scene in Peacemaker, I feel was just
adding up to what we got in this movie, which was absolutely their best work when it comes
to Barry Allen.
I absolutely loved what they were able to character in this one.
They absolutely agreed.
Getting into what I'd give this story for the score and everything, the flow was really
well done.
Nothing was too out there.
Obviously, it's a superhero movie.
Of course, what's going to happen is freaking out there, but it wasn't overly so.
It was all within the world that they built and felt really good.
All the different changes that they've made, all the consequences of his actions, having
to deal with two different kinds of Barrys.
I was thinking about this a lot.
You have, on one hand, the Barry that we're following who experienced this loss of his
mother and had to live his life without his mother.
His whole life has been defined by that.
He went into forensic CSI shit.
I love that CSI shit.
He went into CSI stuff too.
It all led him to where he was.
People understand when he goes back and has that run in with himself, why the younger
version of him doesn't really care about the stuff that his mom has given him, doesn't
really have a drive towards a goal or whatever because he never experienced this loss that
drove him to that.
That in itself is great.
Great storytelling.
The interactions between, not only the funny interactions between them, but the serious
moments.
When he's giving him...
He freaks out on him in the Batcave.
It's just like, are you really this annoying?
Always can you not realize what's at stake here?
That was so great.
It was fantastic.
It was heartbreaking too because it's just like, we know what's at stake, but it's just
like he doesn't.
First off, you're not telling him what it is that you guys are fighting for.
All he knows is you're trying to get back to your time or onto your timeline or whatever,
but it's just...
It was heartbreaking.
Yeah, it really was.
Trying to think of anything else.
I thought that they handled the Keaton Batman really well.
I thought they handled Kara really well.
Speaking of Michael Keaton's Batman, okay, so I was not expecting...
I knew that it was going to be like him picking up the cowl again and everything.
I was not expecting him to be the whole hermit kind of person with long hair now and a beard.
So when you all of a sudden see him attacking both berries, I straight up thought that that
was so...
I thought that was a different...
Because the original Alfred from his Batman...
You thought it was Alfred?
Yeah, I thought it was Alfred for a minute.
I did not think it was Bruce Wayne.
But then I was like, oh, shit, okay, it's supposed to be Bruce.
My bad.
I thought Bruce was still in the Batcave.
Oh, man.
That's freaking hilarious.
I felt dumb after that.
I'm like, God damn it.
Dude, okay.
I have to...
So throughout the movie, I'm just like, hey, finally, Ezra Miller is running so much better
as the Flash.
This is great.
But then there's one scene, literally, I'm telling myself, oh, yeah, he's finally got
the running down.
This looks so much better for Fastest Man Alive.
Literally, after I say that to myself, there's one scene where Barry starts flailing his
freaking hands like he does in the Justice movies.
I'm just like, God damn it.
I need to learn to keep my freaking mouth shut.
Is that when he didn't have powers?
No, no.
It was one part when I think it was when he's breaking the Speed Force.
I think so.
Or he's traveling back in time or something.
But yeah, there's one part where he once again goes back to flailing his arms instead of
moving them back and forth.
I'm like, God damn it.
You were doing so well.
You finally have the running stance down.
After the movie, Cristina was just like, what the hell was up with that starting pose for
Barry, like him putting like freaking one foot in the air?
It works for the type of flash that Ezra Miller has set up, but that was a little funny.
Barely.
Barely works.
Dude, I was like, great.
We got rid of it.
Obviously, he eventually started running weird, but I thought the same thing, too.
I'm like, OK, we got rid of the weird running, but now we got the weird ass freaking pose
pre-run.
Like, we just like, just snap the ball on time, dude.
Oh shit.
But yeah, I'm in agreeance with you.
It ended up working.
Did you see the whole reveal of past flash becoming that jacked up flash?
Yes.
Yeah?
Yeah.
When did you see that coming?
Because I didn't see it coming for a half minute.
Oh, sorry.
I thought you were asking if I missed the scene where they exposed that.
Sorry.
No.
See, I suck at that kind of shit.
I didn't pick it out.
So I didn't honestly notice it until it was literally right in front of my face and they
told me that.
Oh.
When did you know?
So it was like right before the reveal.
Oh, OK.
So when they both ended up in the Chronosphere and Passebarri ran out and then he got that
thing in his arm, like the Kryptonian blade, like when he got that in his arm and he came
back and it was like still in his arm.
I was like, that's weird.
And then he ran out again and comes back into the sphere and he had just more and more shards
of armor in his body.
And I was just like, hmm, this seems like a dark flash thing.
How did I not pick up on that?
It was just like the way that I was like, OK, because I thought the dark flash, I was,
gosh, because I was just kind of a little fooled by the flash TV show.
OK.
In the flash TV show, when they kind of touched upon this whole Flashpoint storyline, he was
constantly being pursued by the dark flash.
It was just kind of like a ghost looking flash, like black suit, black logo.
But he had like a torn up mask.
It was like a full face mask, but it looked like it was kind of scarecrow-esque.
And so he was constantly being pursued by that.
And it was a speedster entity that was trying to correct the timeline.
And so that's kind of what I thought he was at first.
I thought it was a dark flash trying to correct the timeline.
And that's why it's like, hey, stop knocking it off.
So I don't know what I expected.
I knew what I expected.
I thought it was just some rando dark flash.
But I didn't think that it was...
It didn't even cross my mind that it would be a pass-berry.
So that was pretty wild.
Yeah.
Overall, I think this story was super freaking solid.
I'm probably sitting at like an 88 for the story.
I'm going to be slightly above, but just by one point.
Fair.
All right.
What did you think of the writing?
Writing was good too.
You know, honestly, I told Christina about this.
The scene that we have on the bridge with Wonder Woman, the Flash, and Batman, them
saving the day together and everything.
I'm just like, you know what?
It sucks after this movie.
We're never going to get these three together again in this.
And it just made me sad because I love all three of these actors playing these characters.
And don't get me wrong, I'm so excited to see what James Gunn has in store for the DC
universe.
Oh yeah.
But I'm just really...
It made me sad that we'll never get to see Justice League Part II with these actors playing
those characters again, stuff like that.
I hope they get a proper send off in Aquaman 2.
I hope so too because the Flash...
Don't forget, I love the Flash.
Really really enjoyed this movie.
But it definitely was not the right send off for the DC EU.
It wasn't the proper send off.
Yeah.
Like I said, fingers crossed that they cover that in Aquaman.
Agreed.
But yeah, the comedy in this worked really well.
I found myself laughing hard.
Like a lot throughout this.
No dude, same here.
Honestly, I thought at the beginning how he's counting his calorie intake of like, oh hey,
my blood sugar's too low and everything.
I thought that was going to be stupid, it wouldn't work.
No.
I was very pleasantly surprised at how well that actually worked.
Honestly, it might be of...
I feel Ezra Miller is really good when it comes to that kind of comedy.
The frantic like, oh hey, this needs to happen right now.
This is what's happening, this is what needs to happen, I need this.
They are really good about sounding frantic and something needs to happen right now.
I feel that's also a reason why it worked so well.
But yeah, no, I agree with you.
The comedy was so so good in this one.
I think we covered it before the discussion on how this form of time travel works.
How instead of it being like a tiny little branch off of the main timeline, it acts as
a fulcrum.
And so it's like, not only do you get a different future, you get a different past too.
And I thought that was really well done.
Like it explained the new Batman super well.
I was like, okay, how are they going to explain their way out of this?
Once he ran through it, I was just like, great, I'm here for it.
Yeah, makes sense to me.
All right, let's go.
It's like, well done.
It just moved on.
And then the spaghetti analogy was hilarious.
That was great.
Let's see what else do it fricking right after we got out of the movie.
My sister asked if I could take her to Walmart because she really wanted spaghetti.
It was hilarious.
Yeah, I love family.
It looked that good.
Yeah, I I'll be real.
That did look really good.
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Gosh, I was putting like fresh Parmesan on there.
Yeah, dude, I didn't have too many issues with the writing.
I felt the writing like I'm higher than my story on this on the writing because I didn't
feel they wasted any dialogue.
No, I agree.
Even like the inclusion of the way they wrote Kara and her inclusions, it didn't feel out
of place at all.
I mean, you could definitely tell that, you know, in this universe, she's the replacement
for Superman, of course.
But it honestly, it didn't really even feel like that.
And I love that.
Not really.
Like I, I was a little bit bummed that we didn't get her as long as I may have wanted
to.
But I thought she was going to be in a lot longer.
It it worked for me, though.
It did.
Like it still was like a crazy shock when she when Zod did her in and they escaped and
everything.
I was like, oh, balls, dude.
And dude, when I thought that was it.
And then they're like, we could do it again.
And like ran off.
I was like, oh, yeah.
Dude frickin when Batman straight up tells Barry when he asked, so this is our second
time saving you.
We can't save you again.
It's like, damn.
OK, so, yep, that's it.
All right.
That sucks.
Perfect frickin send off for Michael Keaton, though.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, absolutely.
You can't get better than that, dude.
No, you cannot.
Yeah.
Gosh, I'm thinking too, like in the chronosphere, when they were seeing like when Barry's like
staying in the chronosphere and seeing all this stuff happen to to the universe or to
like this timeline and like it's tearing open and he's seeing all these different universes
beginning to collide and tear and break and everything.
I thought that was like expertly done.
Oh, dude, absolutely agree.
I love how they like went from shot to shot of like these different very like that using
Marvel terminology, these different variants of our favorite heroes.
Like you see the frickin fifties or like whatever year that Superman came out, like you see
the black and white Superman and then it pans right over to frickin Christopher Reeves,
which was, dude, that was awesome.
That was a frickin emotional gut punch for me.
Fair.
I didn't grow up with Christopher Reeves Superman, so I unfortunately don't have as much attachment
to him as you.
But that was still really cool to see.
Yeah.
Let's see.
Frickin Adam West's Batman you get to see for for a minute.
I was expecting to like see him a lot more.
Adam West.
Yeah, you get just a quick glimpse, but well, I mean, they couldn't shoot like new footage.
Well, no, I know that.
I mean, they couldn't do that with Christopher Reeves either.
Fair.
That was CGI too.
Well, they I think fair enough.
The only one that I know that was actually like real, even though like I you could if
you would have just told me it was CGI, I would have frickin believed you.
But that was actually Nicolas Cage that came.
He actually did come back for that.
You bullshit.
Did he really?
Serious?
Yep.
Yeah.
No, Nicolas Cage actually came back for that.
No way.
It's serious.
He looks so fake, though.
He did.
That's why I said like, yeah, if someone told me, yeah, when I heard that, I'm like, you
know, that was just straight up CGI.
There's no way Nick Cage came back.
But no, yeah, he actually did come back for that scene.
How does that make that scene so much better?
Because Nick Cage is badass and he'll do anything for the fans and we love him for it.
Dude, that I I cannot express like don't get me wrong, Adam West, Christopher Reeve, emotional
gut punch for days.
The excitement and joy that I felt seeing Nicolas Cage Superman, my head was going to
explode of all the cameos I thought we might have gotten.
Never once did Nicolas Cage cross my mind.
And so when you see a frickin long haired super, I thought it was Henry Cavill.
I was like, OK, finally, like we like we get to see Henry Cavill, like we get to see like
long haired Superman.
And then he turns around frickin Nicholas Cage.
My brain could have exploded.
Like oh my gosh.
I may be like remembering this wrong.
Did they have Superman Returns Superman?
I would have sworn I saw that suit.
I can't remember.
Honestly, I'd have to see it again.
Yeah, I like I know for like if it was like I didn't we didn't see Brandon Routh's face.
Yeah.
But yeah, so I mean, we I liked how we got to see other speedsters.
So the guy that was running in one of the chronosphere's with the hat.
Like did you kind of catch him?
Yeah.
So speaking of that, I guess a lot of people assumed that the guy that played plays him
in the show actually came back to came back to do that, but he actually didn't.
Yeah, I was.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to take that moment from you.
No, you're good.
You're good.
If if he he could have took taking credit for that and I probably would have believed
him because it looks so much like him.
Yeah, they did.
That was wild.
But I was happy that we got to see that different speedster.
That was cool.
That was definitely really cool.
Yeah.
I wish we would have got a little bit more of the flashes, though.
That's fair.
I can definitely agree with you on that one.
Yeah.
I know that everyone like thought it was going to happen, but I think that would have been
a really good time to get Grant Gustin's in there.
Yeah.
Like it would have been good.
I mean, obviously you got that the Jay Garrick one with like the hat.
I think it would have been a really good time to get like John Wesley Shipp's flash in there
because I mean, he's open to it.
He's worn the old suit before.
Yeah.
Like it's perfectly within the realm of possibility.
And like, I understand with like the Superman, like you kind of had to do what you had to
do.
But I think that Henry Cavill definitely got gypped out of an appearance here.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Like, I know we got we see his like his image, but not him.
But yeah, I mean, the dialogue that Barry was having during all this madness, like it's
emotional gut punch, too.
Like it was really emotional.
Can we talk about the emotional gut punch that is the final goodbye that he has with his
mom?
Hall, dude, I actually started I teared up.
I straight up teared up.
I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Dude, I think what got me was all it all that it was all over a freaking can of tomatoes.
That's what did it.
I think that's what freaking gut like gut punched me.
It's like all this.
It was like what got me like, yeah, when it was when he like speed forced off to grab
the tomatoes and I'm just like, like, that's that sucks.
Yeah, dude, straight up.
Seriously, that was so clever of him noticing the security camera and deciding to move the
tomatoes to the top shelf.
That was really well done.
That was yeah, that was genius.
Yeah, I know.
So good.
I was writing because I like I thought I thought it was going to be like just a straight up
like not happy ending.
But I'm so glad that they did it because I was expecting like just a disappointment.
I thought it was going to be like showing that footage, but like different camera angle
like that they had another camera angle.
Yeah, that's fair.
So I hope man like that.
That was great.
And it led to a frickin amazing cameo from frickin George Clooney.
Yeah, frickin I hate do that.
That cameo got spoiled for me like a week before this movie came out.
I had a feeling if they were going to throw in Keaton that they were going to throw in
Clooney.
That's fair.
Like there was a couple Batman I had a feeling wouldn't make an appearance and it was going
to be frickin Val Kilmer because of his health issues.
Yeah.
And I assumed Christian Bale wasn't going to.
I would have loved that.
I would have loved it too.
But I think Bale and Pattinson were are just set too hard in reality.
That's true.
Yeah, that's the way that they set up with the kind of campy return not campy, but it's
just the way that they set up these cameos.
I can definitely agree that after what they did with Keaton Clooney just made the most
sense.
Yeah.
So yeah, for super happy with all that that the joke was hilarious when he's just like
who the F is this?
Men's tooth falls out again.
Yeah.
So love that.
So with writing, I'm probably sitting around like a 92.
I'll match up.
All right.
I forgot to pull.
Yeah, no.
Dude, I just got to say finding shit for this movie has hold on.
There we go.
Yeah.
It's been so hard to find stuff for the flash because I'm like, hey, what like what font
is the flash using?
And they're like, oh, the show uses this font.
And I'm like, I don't need that one.
It's not what I asked.
Yeah.
I'm like, it's not the show.
Like, damn it.
Yeah.
All right.
So let's see going through this cast list real quick.
We have Ezra Miller who played Barry Allen slash the flash.
We have Michael Keaton who played Bruce Wayne slash Batman.
How do you say her last name?
Sasha Kelly.
Okay.
So Sasha Kelly and I hope we're saying that right.
We have Kara Zor-El also known as Supergirl.
And is there anyone else of note?
Did you already say Michael Keaton?
I did say Michael Keaton.
Okay, sorry.
I mean, I know he's like very short in it, but I still feel he had a decent amount to
do.
I would honestly say Ben Affleck's Batman.
Yeah.
I mean, we got Ben Affleck's Batman.
It's like some of the smaller people like Michael Shannon's, General Zod, Ron Livingston
who played Henry Allen, Jeremy Irons played Alfred, Gal Gadot who was in it for a couple
seconds.
Yeah.
It's still great to see her back though.
Yeah.
Jason Momoa was there at the end.
Did you stay for that?
Yeah, I did.
Okay, I was going to say you kind of had a confused look on your face and I was like
no.
Sorry.
Yeah, no, I did.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think that's everyone.
That's the biggest stuff that we would talk about.
So yeah.
Who's your top three?
Let's see.
Number three.
How about this, how about like just to add some spice in here.
Let's say Young Barry and Old Barry are two different people.
Okay.
Yeah, you're going to hate me then because Young Barry isn't even in my top three.
Oh, all right.
He wasn't in mine either.
He wasn't?
Okay, cool.
I just thought he might be so I was like, okay, let's see.
No, he wasn't.
Okay, never mind.
So number three, I know he wasn't in it a lot, but just I love the interactions that
him and Barry had and it was just so great to see him back as the character and I'm going
to miss him so much as the character.
But number three, I got to give to Ben Affleck.
He's Batman.
He is my favorite Batman of all time.
He beats Christian Bale for me.
I just love Ben Affleck as the character.
And so that is a bold take.
Oh, I know it is.
I know it is, but I'm sticking with it because I love Ben Affleck as Batman.
So I'm pretty sure that this is his swan song.
This is the last time that he'll play Batman.
And so what we got, even though it was very little, was great.
And the interactions that he had with Barry and just how, especially the freaking line
when he's just like, we're not meant to go back and fix our mistakes.
These scars are what define us.
We're not supposed to fix them.
I'm like, God damn, that is amazing writing.
I love it.
Freaking powerful stuff.
Right?
So freaking good.
But yeah, so yeah, Ben Affleck number three.
Number two, definitely got to give to Michael Keaton's Batman.
Freaking so great to have him back.
And his return made absolute sense, the way that they set it up, wasn't confused at all,
killed it once again.
He was absolutely fantastic.
And honestly, I'm going to say even his interactions with Barry were fantastic.
Both Batman's interactions with Barry were absolutely great, especially the emotional
scenes that Michael Keaton and Ezra Miller had together when they were in the Batcave
and they were talking about his powers and why he wants to save that specific universe.
Freaking loved it.
Number one, I got to give to Ezra Miller.
They were absolutely fantastic in this movie.
I love them so much as this character.
And once again, they proved why.
They proved why they were cast in this role.
Like I said, pushing side, what happened in real life, I'm not looking at that.
What they did, horrible.
But I'm just looking at the character and what they did as that character.
And what they did was absolutely fantastic and I love them so much in this performance.
And yeah, just love them so much as the Flash.
So that's my top three.
I'm going to throw my number three.
I'm going to give to Sasha Kelly, who played Supergirl.
My top two is the same as you.
It's Michael Keaton and Ezra.
But I'm giving my number three to Sasha because I loved her Supergirl.
Don't get me wrong, she was really good.
She'd be my number four.
I wish we would have gotten a little bit more from her.
I hope that James Gunn gives her a chance in the future.
I thought I saw somewhere that she has discussed her return, her chance with James Gunn.
Dude, I hope so.
I would love to see her again.
Her suit was the bomb.
Dude, it seriously was.
It looked so, so good.
Yeah, I freaking loved her suit.
Um, gosh, like, yeah, so good.
So freaking good.
Like I said, I wish we would have gotten more.
A little bummed out that we didn't, but what can you do?
Yeah, number two is Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne.
Just because exactly all the reasons you said, I thought he was fantastic.
He slipped into that, back into that role like a freaking glove.
Straight up.
It was fantastic.
He was such a badass.
Like even like through all like the comedic stuff that he had done, it was so well done.
Like I freaking loved it.
And then Ezra Miller did a fantastic job.
Like you can't argue that.
Like the, they can act.
Yes, they can.
So yeah.
So what's your acting score going to be?
Um, honestly, like just because my top three were so good and I don't feel that even like
most of the extras didn't even bring it down for me that much.
But I feel like all of them were actually really good.
So I might match my, yeah, you know, I think I'm going to match, you know, actually no,
I'm going to go a 93.
Wow.
Yeah, I was, I wasn't quite in the nineties with this one.
I'm sitting at like a solid 89.
All right.
Fair enough.
All right, next up we got character development, which this movie excelled at.
Seriously.
Oh, so good.
Yeah.
I, I, I can't think of a single thing wrong with this arc.
Like it, it was perfect.
Like he had this, this motivation.
He went for it.
It, it, it was kind of like, he was kind of plateaued.
Like obviously he had to kind of go down this, this trail, but he worked his way up to eventually
like accepting what has to happen and accepting his mother's fate, I guess.
And though it was like super heartbreaking, like, like he had a great arc in accepting
what he knew needed to happen.
And then even his past self like accepted what needed to happen.
And like that kick in the nuts that he got, like seeing what he becomes.
Yeah.
Like was, holy crap.
Like it was intense, but like really well done.
Yeah.
So, so good.
Any other things you want to say about that or?
Honestly, not really.
I think you really just nailed it.
Like you said, such a great character arc.
Like honestly, when it comes to a flash movie, you couldn't have asked for a better one.
Yeah.
You honestly couldn't.
Yeah.
This this might be, I might be where you're at with your acting score on, on this one.
Like I'm sitting in 93.
I thought the growth that he experienced was super well done.
You know, I'm going to.
All right.
Caleb's favorite topic.
I have a feeling this is going to be a major difference between the two of us.
The so getting into the effects, the effects were garbage.
I will admit they weren't great.
But for the most part, I agree with what Andy Muschietti said about the effects.
And he said that they were for some scenes, they're kind of they're supposed to look
that way because that is the biggest cop out I have ever heard.
That is such a load of garbage.
I can kind of agree with him.
Like there are some scenes that you're just like, OK, I can understand why you made it
look like that because you want us to kind of see what the flash sees.
The biggest one that I can I feel like a lot of people are like throwing fits about is
like the whole like how it looks when they're in like, how was it when they're viewing the
like timeline spread out and like they're seeing all the events and the way that the
characters look like they're just like, oh, they look way too animated.
I feel that worked.
Like I didn't want them to look realistic.
That did work.
That I will say that that that in that particular scene that worked.
The issues that I had and I understand to a point why they had to do what they did was
with the babies.
OK, that is OK.
I will absolutely admit that.
Yeah, that scene that that scene is.
Yeah.
OK.
The CGI is not great in that scene.
Like you said, understandable why they had to do what they did.
You're chucking acid, you're throwing some spiky stuff and you're threatening to burn
a child with fire.
Like yeah, I think we need to see that it's fake.
Don't forget about the microwave and the microwave.
I dude, I laughed my ass off when he opened it up and it was still like a fake baby and
then he pulls it out and it's like 100 percent real.
Like dude.
There was I don't know about you, but there were instances with the 2013 flash or 2013
Barry and I was like, that's a dude.
It's sweet.
You still a little more.
Yeah, like it would.
I should have spent a little more a little more time on that certain frame.
Dude, it there were times like it would switch from scene to freaking scene.
Yeah.
Like where it's like one space and the other one, then the other one.
And I'm like, dude, frickin like there was one scene where I think Flash was talking
and it was just oh, duh.
There was a scene.
There's a scene where it's straight up on future flash.
And that was it.
It was like still like a behind the head shot of past flash, but it was still an animated
face.
Yeah.
Like what are you thinking?
I don't know, man.
Like it was rough, dude.
And like I said, the Chronosphere stuff made sense.
Speets are stuff.
Yeah, like that's that shit looked good.
Yeah.
So we might not be as indifferent with the effects score as you think.
I'll say this.
Michael Keaton looked amazing.
Like all the stuff that they had him do.
Dude, how do you drop the ball so hard on frickin your main character?
Like how did Supergirl look super good?
How did frickin Zod and Batman like how did they look good?
But frickin the Flash look like shit.
Yeah.
So and they they don't really have the excuse of saying, oh, well, you know, he's you know,
he's it's it's hard to do effects for someone that's, you know, super fast, you know, all
this stuff.
I'm like, look at, you know, Quicksilver with Marvel.
Like I get that he's not as fast, but I feel you still could have made it look a little
better.
Yeah, you absolutely could have.
And them saying like, oh, we did it on purpose.
Bullshit.
Like, it was a little bit, just a little bit.
I'm like, no, Chronosphere.
Sure.
I'll give you a pass on the Chronosphere, the frickin dual berries.
Like I don't know about you, but how does if your effects of having the same actor or
actress play the same role or two different roles in a movie, if that looks worse than
the frickin Lindsay Lohan parent trap, you're doing something wrong with your life, dude,
straight up.
Yeah, if you would have told me that Lindsay Lohan had a twin after that movie, I would
have totally believed it.
I thought she did.
Yeah.
Years there.
There is not one frame in that movie that I believed that that was a stand in or a fake
Lindsay Lohan.
I mean, it would have definitely been a standing cause CGI was not good at that point to pull
that shit off.
Um, but yeah, no, I would have been like, no, no way.
Lindsay Lohan has a twin.
I'm calling bullshit.
Yeah.
I feel like that's filmmaker 101.
Like, yeah, it's like, if it's not frickin how to make a lightsaber, it's how to frickin
twit like clone yourself.
Yeah.
And ding ding ding, Andy.
That's not how you do it.
Oh, man.
Um, hello, you going?
I'm going to go.
I'm going to go an 80.
You are out of your mind.
If you think this movie deserves an 80.
But okay, I'm going to hear your effects score because I actually have one category that
we've already created that I do want to change, but I'll wait till after you read your effects.
Dude, I'm giving this a frickin 67.
Damn.
Oh shit.
So it was the reason I'm giving it that low is because it was distractingly bad.
Maybe you have a point there.
You're damn right.
I have a point.
Mr. 80.
Okay.
I'm going to go down to a 76.
That's still too high.
And that pisses me off that it's like still 71.5.
No, I'm sticking with a 76.
Yeah.
But I do have I am changing acting though, as I think I am actually too high.
I'm going to change that to a 90.
Okay.
So you okay.
So is that better?
Is the 76 better?
Wait, is it the same?
Is this how's it still 71.5?
What you gave it before?
You gave it an 80?
73.5.
Yeah.
I was gonna say like it didn't go down at all.
But yeah, okay.
Yeah.
I'm gonna knock it down to 75.
Well, you didn't like the 71.5?
No, no, I'm seeing what 75.
Yeah.
I'm not changing it.
All right.
I won't argue.
I still think a 71 is too high.
All right.
Next up, we got music.
The soundtrack for this wasn't half bad, but it wasn't like anything grand.
You know, I want one frickin speedster movie to start playing supersonic racing.
Like, is that too much to ask?
Supersonic racing?
That'd be pretty great.
Is that too much to ask for?
Apparently it is.
Yeah.
Honestly, this is like one of the times where I really appreciate that we do a one out of
ten for music.
Fair.
Because music was average.
Like as average as average can get for me.
I agree.
No, I agree.
Because like even like some of like the pop, not pop music, but like some of the music
that they decided to insert, like none of it like, I don't know, none of it really stuck
with me.
It was not like, oh shit, you know, I want to add that to my Spotify because I don't
have it yet.
Dude, that's what I was thinking.
I'm like Wonder Woman's theme made me want to frickin add that to Spotify.
Same thing with Man of Steel.
I think Batman even has a pretty killer score, but the Flash, they dropped the ball.
Yeah, I agree.
Um, I mean, I know that they have some other like songs and stuff that play through, but
I was as as as average as you can get.
No, I agree.
I'll say I'll I'm maybe sitting at a six if I'm being real nice, but I might I might be
at a five.
So I'll go whichever way you're leaning.
I think I'm going to go a six.
All right, I can go up to six.
All right, next up, we got costumes.
I'm not going to lie when I first saw the new the new costume in the trailers, I was
like, ah, I liked the old one so much better, so much better from like the Justice League
movies.
But honestly, seeing actually in the film, it grew on me very fast.
I was sold very, very fast with how the costume looks.
I loved it.
Honestly, I did, too.
I had I loved the suit.
It grew on me amazingly, really quick.
If I had one suit that I didn't really love, like I get, you know, like thrown together
and everything, but just it looked really good to me was 2013.
Barry, his repaint of the frickin like Batman costume.
And I don't know, like I get like they needed another flash costume.
And so that was all that they could think of.
They would the only one that would work to have, you know, two flashes.
But just I don't know.
It didn't fully work for me.
You know what I wish they would have done?
I wish they would have gone the route of him taking a Robin suit, bro.
That would have been badass.
Right.
And you kind of get that little nod towards Robin and like in the DC universe, because
I mean, we do.
OK, other than Titans, we've never seen a frickin live action Robin.
Like other I know Chris O'Donnell.
Don't like your panties in a bunch.
I'm like, don't stand.
Don't forget the goat.
Don't forget the if you do, if you think he's the goat, we have issues.
He's not.
Yeah, he I think like a Robin suit would have really just kind of thrown this movie over
the top for at least in terms of the suit, because I mean, the suit, like you would have
had an explanation why he's wearing a frickin not bat suit.
You could have gone with the Chris O'Donnell outfit to like, well, yeah, did Keaton have
Chris O'Donnell?
Or was that only George?
No, that was only that was Kilmer and George.
Damn, that sucks.
All right.
So I don't know, like maybe you could have gone with like a different suit.
I don't know.
I would have loved if they would have if Barry would have worn the flat the wow, the Robin
suit from Batman Forever, not the one from Batman and Robin, just because that one's
like frickin it's supposed to match with Batman and Batgirl.
But like in Batman Forever, it's actually like, you know, the classic black, gold, red
and green.
And I freaking love how the suit looks in that.
So that would have been really freaking cool.
But it kind of would have been like, how the hell did that happen when it was a completely
different actor playing Batman at that point?
So I thought it was a completely different Batcave.
And yeah, it definitely would have been out there.
It would have been.
I it's hard because it's like, what other options would you have had?
Because it's just like, oh, Batman just happens to have a speedster suit ready or just some
crap like that.
Like, I think maybe he could have you could have gotten away with like a plain suit.
Like maybe maybe with the Bat logo.
Like I think that would have been fine.
I think what ruined it was the cowl.
Yeah.
I can definitely agree with that.
Like I think the way that he had his neck, I think that if he would have you, I think
he should have used his speed to like, like mold a cowl, like a proper cowl.
Yeah.
Like because I'm like, what would have made sense?
Yeah.
Speed Force just like a smooth surface around like you could have just gone like around
the head and I would have been like, OK, you speedster.
I don't know how that shit works.
Yeah.
And then like, yeah.
And then if like you wanted to keep the like the full like cowl, like just for that funny
gag when he like looks over at Olderberry in the suit, like if you wanted that gag,
like that would have been fine.
And then like obviously rip it off.
Like I think that would have worked.
But what they did didn't do it for me.
Agreed.
I'd absolutely agree.
But that's like not that definitely brings my score down a bit.
But I mean, not enough to frickin affect them like super greatly because I thought Super
Girls suit was awesome.
Seriously, so good.
Dude, when I saw the behind the scenes pictures of her like way back when I was a little hesitant
I was just like, I don't know how this is going to look.
It worked.
So yeah, absolutely agree.
And Michael Keaton's Batman suit looked fantastic.
Dude, effortlessly frickin awesome.
Yep.
Yeah.
So no complaints there whatsoever.
Yeah.
So where are you sitting with the costumes?
Just because the 2013 costume knocks me down a little bit.
Like if it weren't for just how bad I didn't like that, I'd be at a nine.
But because I'm an eight, I'll give you the eight.
I probably would have been up at a 10 had it not been for that suit, because I really
liked all the other suits that they gave us.
Yeah, I agree.
So yeah, I can definitely give you an eight.
Because I think I might have been sitting like with the flash one.
I wouldn't have been sitting at a nine.
I would have probably been at an eight and a half.
Okay, that's fair.
So rounding down.
I'm happy rounding down.
All right, last up, we got our own personal score.
You want to take this one first?
I would love to.
So overall, for how much this movie was pushed back, I truly feel is worth the wait.
I expected to really enjoy this movie and I did just that.
I had such such a great time with this flash movie.
Ezra Miller, once again, kills it as Barry Allen.
He's given so sorry, they are given so much depth as the character in this movie and just
absolutely love their performance.
Michael Keaton's return is absolutely fantastic.
And everyone in this movie absolutely delivers.
And just I had such a good time.
I have very little problems with this movie.
And I'm happy to say that even though the DCU is coming to a close and a new beginning
is about to start, I am very happy that we got that we actually got a flash movie and
that I am very, very happy with the flash movie that we got.
So I'm going to give the flash, I'm going to give it an 89.
That is completely fair.
I'm in total agreeance with you.
I am kind of sad to see the DCU go, especially like if it has to go, at least it's going
out on a high note with this film.
I mean, obviously we have to wait and see how Aquaman 2 does.
I have high hopes for that because I actually I rewatched Aquaman not too long ago and I
actually really dug it on the second go around.
So I have high hopes for Aquaman 2.
But with this movie, it gave me everything I wanted and a little bit more.
Gave me things I didn't know I wanted, freaking Nick Cage Superman for one.
But yeah, I had a great time with this movie.
It was everything I wanted out of it.
Lots of laughs, freaking turned it on an emotional head.
Not much can say like the only thing that brought this down for me like truly was the
effects and it was just because I found them distracting.
So I'm actually going to be probably around an 88.
Okay.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, it's been a while since we've both been that close to each other.
That's awesome.
Yeah, just about at least this close.
Yeah, that's actually really cool.
Yeah.
Alright, so going through these scores real quick, starting off with story, we ended up
giving this an 88.5.
The writing went up significantly to a 92.
Acting came down just a hair and it's sitting at an 89.5.
Character development averaged out to a 93 because it was a super high point of this movie.
The effects, there was big disagreements there sitting at a 71.
Music was average but okay.
Ended up being at a six.
Costumes, and it was just because of the one really not good costume, ended up at an eight.
And then our personal scores averaged out to an 88.5, which brings our final All Bros
Letter grade for The Flash to a...
A B.
Okay.
Ha, B for Barry.
B for Barry.
Yeah, it's actually a really sturdy B. Like it's closer to a B plus than it is a B minus.
Hell yeah, I love hearing that.
Yeah, so our cutoff for B movies is, or for B plus movies is an 86.
This ended up getting an 85.31.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah, it got really good.
Good scores there.
So, let's see where this compares to other movies.
Alright, so, compared to other movies of the same grade, like I said, this is a B movie.
So we put this below the unbearable weight of Massive Talent.
Okay.
We put this below Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone.
Really?
Okay, wow.
Yeah, it ended up below Cruella.
Really?
Okay.
Yeah, that's kind of a...
It's hard because we...
You know, the effects is what killed it.
Had the effects been a little bit better done, I think this would have been way higher.
Yeah, I agree.
Let's see, it's below Candyman from 2021.
It is below Onward.
And it is below Halloween Kills.
Wow.
Yeah, going the opposite direction, it is above Holes.
Oh, shit.
That's great.
Damn.
It is above The Lion King, the remake, which is at an 85.1.
Alright.
It is above The Little Mermaid, which is at an 84.9.
It's above Megan, which is at an 84.81.
And then it is above The Matrix Resurrections, which is at an 84.7.
Okay.
Not a bad placement.
Not a bad placement at all.
So, to get a full percentage away from The Flash, you're looking at Age of Ultron.
Wow.
Damn.
Yeah, like that's good.
That's really freaking good.
That's awesome.
So yeah.
That's where we're sitting.
Hell yeah.
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