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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast of Unscripted Conversation with Ben and Spencer.

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We're so glad that you could join us today, whether that's from your car, office, home,

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church or wherever you're at.

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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast in Unscripted Conversation where Ben and Spencer

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talk in a manner that is not scripted.

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There's only a finite number of ways you can say that.

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It's going to get to the point where it's like 45 seconds long.

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Yeah.

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So if you're going to go into the whole thing with AI random generation, it's going to be

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like, AI, how do I say this differently?

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So today we wanted to take a second to talk about Exodus because it comes up throughout

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the Bible and they keep referencing back to this point.

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And so it's really important that we understand major themes of what's happening in Exodus

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because it is a reoccurring conversation throughout the Bible.

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And if we don't get a handle on it, then we're going to miss a lot of what they're talking

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about later.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So just a reminder, we're going to just talk about God's redemptive work through the Exodus

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and specifically how he partners with humanity and Israel to put his story on display.

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So all the way back at the beginning of Exodus, we have the story of the midwives and then

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God hears the distress of his people.

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I think it's really important that we always remember that God is the God who hears.

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That's super important.

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Paul's going to say it while we were still sinners.

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In the story of the flood, God remembers Noah.

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In the story of Abraham on the mountain, God provides a sacrifice.

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He also walks the blood path twice.

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Like God is the one who initiates the conversation between humanity and him.

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Yeah.

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God is the one who he's going to hear you even in the times where it feels like he's

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silent.

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And I think that's echoed in Exodus as well because you have the midwives backing up to

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that where they still had reverence and fear and awe of the Lord, even though they hadn't

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heard from him in a long time.

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At the end of that chapter, it's in God heard the cries of his people.

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So God's going to hear you even if it feels like he's distant and he's going to respond

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in a way that is most likely going to blow your mind.

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And specifically, he typically will partner with humanity, which is the next thing we

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see God raising up a generation through Moses that is actually capable of leading an Exodus.

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Because Moses is a very unique kind of person because he is both Hebrew and raised in Pharaoh's

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court.

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Yep.

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He knows both the Hebraic roots and the Egyptian roots.

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He's well educated and has a lot of influence all throughout the region.

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It's very intentional who God is actually raising up, which I think is always important

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for us to remember that when God calls us to something, it's not an accident.

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There's a reason why you're called to it.

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In fact, we were actually talking about this on Sunday that sometimes we are like, oh,

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we need to bring the pastor in to talk to our friend about Jesus.

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They don't know your friend.

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God raised you up, put you in that situation in order to speak into their life.

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I think pastors are there for support and help and prayer and all those different things,

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but they're meant to equip the body.

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They're meant to equip the saints and send them out.

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And one of the things that always drives me is when people are like, well, let's bring

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you to church so you can hear about Jesus.

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You are the church, so you should be telling them about Jesus.

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Hey, spoiler alert.

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That's looking ahead in the Bible.

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So we chuckle out about it right now.

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And there are people who do that really well.

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Let's be clear on that.

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But we're talking about that right now because God's put you in their life to be Christ to

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them.

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And so then as God continues to work with Moses, we've talked about in our episodes

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that God actually comes and engages Moses.

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He says, hey, I want to bring deliverance.

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So I'm going to tell you who I am.

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I'm going to give you my power and my authority.

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I'm going to let you do signs and wonders in my name.

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And Moses says, I still can't do it.

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And so he sends Aaron with him, even though he's a serious dude.

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I'm giving you everything.

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But he's still sending Aaron with him and meeting him in his, I'm going to call it

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a disbelief or failure to believe Moses was afraid and scared.

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And I think we skip over that, but the burning bush, he gives five excuses.

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These five excuses are excuses we most likely have all given in our lives.

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The last one being like, I just don't want to, which is always the most accurate, but

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he's used.

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I'm not good with words.

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Who am I going to say sent me like all these things.

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Like he uses all these excuses because he's afraid, he's scared.

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There's change that's coming.

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He's being called to leave this life.

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That's been comfortable to him.

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He's been married, has kids at this point.

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It's been called to leave that life and do something miraculous with God.

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And God's not just calling him to just go in and take the Israelites out.

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He's actually calling him to go because God is actually going to pursue Pharaoh and Egypt.

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The whole thing about the 10 plagues is he's going to judge the gods of Egypt.

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And he is approaching Pharaoh and being like Pharaoh, will you follow me?

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Because it's always been about all nations and it always will be about all nations.

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And so if you think it's about just your nation, stop that.

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It's about all nations.

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It's not just about us.

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It's about we.

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I am not the temple of the Holy spirit.

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We are.

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And if I start kicking people out because I don't like the way that they look, I'm suddenly

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missing a wall or a roof and I, I'm not a construction person, but I feel like houses

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don't work that when they don't have those, especially walls.

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If you don't have walls, like you don't have a house, let's just be real.

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I was thinking about this here.

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It's something that I just realized when I was actually looking over our notes as we're

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going to have a conversation here.

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Did you notice that there are 10 plagues on Egypt and there's also 10 words of God?

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It's interesting.

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It's almost like he's canceling out to you and being like, this is the new.

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Not that he would ever do that.

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That's never something that happens throughout the Bible.

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I hope you all can understand sarcasm.

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That's going to be very helpful for you.

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Didn't you say your sister has trouble understanding sarcasm?

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So she, this might just like.

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She gets it.

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Like it takes her moment, but she gets it.

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I'm not trying to guess my sister's name anymore.

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It was a fun game for a little bit, but then one day my sister video called us.

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I handed the phone to Ben and I was like, Hey, this is my friend Ben.

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You can't tell him your name though.

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And she's, Oh, okay.

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And then my daughter comes up and is, Hey, it says her name.

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And I was like, that game is done.

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That game is done now.

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So that's how I gave him.

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So God is having this conversation.

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He's, he's challenging everything that Egypt trust in.

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He's challenging everything that Pharaoh trust in.

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And he's saying, will you trust me instead?

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Now ultimately Pharaoh says no.

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And I believe that God respects that.

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And so he takes his people and they go, yeah.

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God's not going to force you to follow him.

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No, he's not.

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He will invite you to the table though.

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And so God leads them out to the Red Sea.

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He leads them to a spot where they feel trapped, where they feel helpless.

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Will they feel like there's nothing they can do and there is nothing they can do.

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It is, they are trapped, but there is still a pillar of fire between them and pillar of

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cloud between them and Egypt.

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So yeah, they're trapped, but yeah, yeah, they're trapped.

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Like they're trapped and there's nothing that they're doing that's holding our army back.

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Like God told them that army back.

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He splits the Red Sea and he sends the people through the Red Sea on it to the other side.

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And so God leads them to a point where he's like, Hey, watch me work again.

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So he doesn't just lead them through the Red Sea.

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They get on the other side and they worship in the desert, which we talked about with

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Pastor Nick about why it's really important that when God moves, our natural response

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is worship.

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But he doesn't just lead them through.

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He feeds them from manna from heaven.

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They get water from a rock.

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They get more meat than they can know what to do with because they were whining about

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not having meat.

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And then bigger thing than all of that, and God then calls identity into them.

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He says, you will for me be a kingdom of priests, which is a really big deal, especially when

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we talk about next week when we're going to be getting into Leviticus.

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What does it actually mean to be a nation of priests for God most high?

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And understand that from the culture they're coming from.

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They're coming from a culture where being a priest was borderline royalty.

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So when God is saying, Hey, I'm going to make you a nation of priests, what they're thinking

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of, they're not thinking of, Oh, it's going to be a nation of pastors.

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They're thinking nation of royalty.

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A nation of well off.

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We're getting into well off people who are going to have so much in their lives.

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It's a position that you jockey for.

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It's like political maneuvering to get this position, which does eventually happen in

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that context.

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I think about the silent years between the remnant returning and Jesus coming.

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There is this whole thing about the Maccabean rebellion during which we celebrate Hanukkah

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over, and the zealots take back the land and then they turn it over to the priesthood because

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they're not the ones who are supposed to be in charge of the temple.

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And then immediately they corrupt the temple with this heavily monetized perspective.

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We've called them the Jewish mafia because that's what we like to call them.

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Or it's like this whole like racket that they're running under the guise of religious fellowship.

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And so God here in Exodus, he's saying, hey, I'm going to give you this royalty that you

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jockey for, that you maneuver your way in to.

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And he's going to speak new context into what they understand, which is really important

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for us to understand in the Old Testament.

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One of the really interesting things here is just piggybacking off what Ben says.

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They're going to speak new context.

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How many times has God in your lives taken something that you know you understand and

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he speaks new context and new life into that?

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Just everything that's been like significant.

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He does that with the disciples when he calls them, when he sees them fishing, he's like,

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hey, come with me and you'll become fishers of men.

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And beyond that, how many parables does Jesus tell?

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He talks to them about something that they see.

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And he's like, you know how a sower goes and sows seed in a field?

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Like that's breathing new context into a context that they understand.

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So he does that so many times.

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God's speaking in a context that the Israelites would understand.

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He's meeting them in a language that they'd understand and be like, okay, this is what's

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going to happen and it's going to look like this, which is different than.

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And so like we said, is he says that they're going to be a nation of priests.

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Now there's going to be a Levitical priesthood, but they are actually a nation of priests.

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And we're going to get into a lot more of that when we get into Leviticus.

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So I don't want to put the cart before the horse, but just have that in the back of your

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head that God says you're going to be a whole nation of priests.

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And then he goes further than that and he does what no other God before them has done.

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And he says, I'm going to explain to you exactly who I am and exactly how I'm going to interact

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with you and how I expect you guys to interact with each other.

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And that's in the 10 words.

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And we talked about the 10 words a few weeks ago, but the 10 words really is a covenant

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God is making with his people.

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He's simplifying down all these rules, regulations into 10 simple things right now.

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And everything spurs from that.

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And a lot of times what we do is we jump to, hey, there's no other God before me.

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And God's saying, he actually has more to say before that.

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He actually, he comes out and he's like, hey, I am the one who led you out of Egypt.

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I'm the one who's brought you here.

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I am the one who's freed you from captivity.

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And that refrain is also what comes up very frequently in the rest of scripture.

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When you look at it through the rest of Torah, when you look at it, Leviticus, Deuteronomy,

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in Numbers, God frequently come back and he says I am the Lord your God who brought you

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out of the land of Egypt.

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I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt.

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I'm the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt.

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The land of Egypt's where you were, and I'm the Lord your God who brought you out of it.

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A lot of these things going on and on.

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the prophets, He's going to say this every time he comes to them, when it's judgment,

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when it's discipline, when it's correction says, I'm the Lord your God who brought you

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out of the land of Egypt.

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Almost always paired with that and I'm Lord your God the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob

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He's reminding them of their story

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Which I think is really important for us to remember because how often do we actually not know the story of our heritage?

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In the ten words like the second half of the ten words you hear things like hey don't steal don't murder

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Don't covet all those things and you're like, oh, okay

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You're like that's not hard to do in the context of which the Israelites were coming from

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There was actually context around them that had to do a child sacrifice

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There was context around them that had to do with taking what you want

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Might makes right. Yep. Yep. There was context around them about stealing so you could like around coveting

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Let's not even we're gonna touch on this briefly, but we're gonna talk more in Leviticus. Yeah actual thing. Yeah in that culture

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Take some time to understand that culture that they were in and it actually brings to light a ton of

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Revelations of why God actually said things like hey, don't murder

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Don't steal don't covet it brings to light why he's saying those things because they might sound simple from our westernized view

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But understanding in the context of child sacrifice taking what you want so on so forth

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Can really bring to light why God's having to say those things

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So in the wake of God revealing to them who he is and we get the golden calf incident

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Where they can't wait 40 days for Moses to come back down the mountain, which to be fair is very reminiscent of most of our lives

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We can't wait 40 days for God to move

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We can't wait two days for free shipping from companies

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shmamazam rhyme, yeah

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So they struggle they're waiting for they can't wait for God and so they're like

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Oh, we'll just make gods who brought us out of the land of Egypt, which is ridiculous in and of its own, right?

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You made the idol it clearly didn't bring you out

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But at the same time it's totally understandable and relatable in the sense that they're returning to what they know

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like the worship of idols of golden calves of

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Anything of that nature was what they would have known in Egypt and so to be like, okay

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Our patience has run out. Let's return to what we know

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Astounding thing about what God does here though

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Is he actually forgives another sin? He reissues his instructions for the temple

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He reissues his covenant with them again

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and then he leads them by the cloud and

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Into repentance and restoration of the relationship to where at the beginning of this situation

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He says my presence isn't going to go with you till at the very end

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He says my presence is going to lead you

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That he actually walks Israel through a process of repentance because God is gentle and he's really looking for his kids to actually come and follow him

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So we touched on it

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But the exodus is going to be referenced all over the bible and it's also going to be talked about a lot in the new testament

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There's going to be there's going to be references when you come into the new testament

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Jesus is speaking into a context

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The assumption that when Jesus is talking to the jewish people is that they know their torah and so frequently

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Jesus is going to quote from deuteronomy. He's going to go from exodus. He's going to go from genesis

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He's going to go from all over the torah in order to breathe into them now as torah made flesh

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What God actually wanted for them? In fact the sermon on the mount very frequently

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He's going to make a statement

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He says you have heard it said but I say unto you and i've heard a lot of teachers and I understand where they're getting this from

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But contextually say Jesus is just raising the anti

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But that's not what's happening in rabbinic conversation in rabbinic conversation

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If a rabbi says you have heard it said but I say unto you

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What he's saying is you've been taught this but it was always this do not

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Commit adultery was always supposed to lead you to be the kind of person who didn't look lustfully at another

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Do not murder was always supposed to lead you to be the kind of person who didn't have anger

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Like this is the goal of the law was to create you into a ethical moral

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Functioning person that puts the story of god on display. Yeah to put it in really practical terms

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Have you ever had a moment where you're doing something one way and someone comes along?

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It's like hey if you do it this way

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And then you do it their way and you're like, oh, that's how it's supposed to be done

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That's literally every time I do a like a construction thing or like i'm doing something with my car and you're like

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Oh, it's not supposed to be that way. Yeah, and i'm like, oh really? Uh-huh

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So for those of you don't know ben's not a car guy. We have established this multiple times in the podcast

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I'm sure they are aware. I'm not a car guy

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Yeah, just to reiterate ben's not a car guy. And so

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Usually when ben has a car question and he calls me he's it's making a noise and i'm like

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I feel like i'm talking to my wife right now

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It's making a noise. Okay

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car no go vroom

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something wrong

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But let's just run off the car analogy here

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but I remember when I was first learning how to change the oil in my car like all I had was a crescent wrench and

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It worked like you could make it work and then someone's like hey

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Why don't you use this socket and then I use a socket and I was like, oh my word. This is so much better

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Yeah, then I was like, okay

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That's gonna lead me into making sure I get the right stuff for the right jobs

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And so when we're doing when we're talking about scripture

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It can be really easy to understand it and from the lens that we've heard it

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And then when we've actually examined it and see what's actually being told we can realize oh

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Maybe we didn't quite have it

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It's been interesting even our last time that we've been going through tora and i've read these stories

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multiple times every time I come back to

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The stories of genesis and exodus I see something I didn't see before which I'm like, oh

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That's an interesting piece that connects over to here and all these different things

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You're not going to get all the context in one go no

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And so there's a reason why we tell ourselves these stories and we'd retell them and retell them

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Yeah, one of the things I actually really enjoy at the Passover is if you ever have a chance to go to a messianic

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satyr meal a

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A huge part of that story is just retelling

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From creation to liberation through christ and I was doing a satyr dinner and they asked me to host it

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And so I was following the script because I am not

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Savvy enough to know how this actually needs to go, but I do like to talk which is super shocking to all of you

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But as I was telling the story and walking through it

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You could actually feel the spirit of god moving in the room just by retelling the story. Yeah, and then I had this thought and I was like

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Why don't we retell the story? Yeah, that's not a regular part of like and correct me

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Like maybe you can tell me a different experience that you've had. That's not a regular part of church attendance. No

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And that's not to say other people don't do it

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It's just in my experience. It's not part of something that we put as part of a regular occurrence that we retell the story

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No, and culturally in america like we very much operate off of hey

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You just need to learn this so you can get through this class and then be done with it

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Then you don't need to know it again

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And so we can do that with scripture 2 in our teaching and be like hey

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We're going to run through this and then we're going to move on

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And that's actually not helpful when it comes to understanding biblical literature

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When I was in college, I studied music education

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And we had this conversation piece that the teacher his name was dan bukvich

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So if you you guys ever have a chance to listen to any of his music

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He's a prolific composer has some really fun pieces, but we go into the freshman theory class

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And he says you all are in four quadrants today

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Most of you are in two quadrants

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But some of you will be in the fourth quadrant and he puts a big plus sign on the and he says in quadrant one

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You are unconscious of how incompetent you are

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And I was like, this is going to be good and he's my goal between in this semester is to move you from unconscious

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To conscious of your incompetence, you know how little you know. Yep

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He's eventually you're going to become conscious of your competence. That's quadrant three

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But the goal of every musician is to get to quadrant four where you suddenly become unconscious of your competence

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I've taken that with me for a very long time because I believe that spiritual learning is very similar. Yeah

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Frequently when we come to the bible the first time we are completely unconscious of how incompetent we are

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In understanding the context of the bible over the last 10 years

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I would say that i've become very conscious of my incompetence

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I am very aware of what I know well and what I don't my hope in the rest of my life is to become competent

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And then eventually not have to think about it, but it becomes so ingrained in my life

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That it just flows out of me. Yeah

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And there are pieces you've known me for a while like sometimes like I start talking you already know what i'm going to say before

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I finish the sentence. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. We've co-preached and we've had that happen where you're like, and i'm like

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I know exactly what rabbit trail he's going down right now

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And that's because it just become it's become such a fixed part of my life, right?

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Now the hard thing becomes when you have built a context and a fixed point in your life that is built contextually incorrect

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Yeah, that's where we talk about pruning off bad things

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We talk about pruning off bad theology. Yeah

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Some people are really uncomfortable with that

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And I said the thing is I want to go back to what is the bible and what does God call us to do?

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And I don't necessarily want to put on orthodoxy of traditionalism

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In place of what the bible teaches. Yeah

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Actually sat in benariel the other day that said traditions just peer pressure from dead people

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Yeah, and I laughed almost exactly like that when I got it, uh-huh anyways booby-dab

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um

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So I want to talk really quickly because I think we just as a church our church

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Finished a survey of the book of john the gospel of john

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And so when we were talking about that we were talking about the structure of the gospel of john and can you unpack that a little bit?

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So john's kind of broken up into two sections

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You have the book of signs

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Which is the first half?

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Okay, and then you have the book of glory which is the second half and it splits right around 11 chapter 11 chapter 12

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Yeah, right where that split happens and so you go from chapter 1 through 12

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Covers three years of jesus's life like it's it's and if you sat down and read chapter 1 through 12

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It would take you 25 minutes 25 30 minutes and then chapter 13 through 21 it covers about a week

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Yeah, so you have this shift in writing the shift of style where you're going from

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stories of signs of wonders

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Scholars teachings all this stuff to where jesus gives a four chapter sermon from john 13 to 17

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To just a week of life to where he's declaring who he is

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He's at the height of his power the height of his authority in that moment in time

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And so that's why we split these up in those two different ways. You have jesus showing who he is

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And then jesus telling who he is

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Yeah, and so what we have we call those and what a lot of scholars have called that is there's the book of science

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And then there's the book of glory because there's this whole thing about i'm going to be glorified to glorify the father

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And his glory is going to pour out and there's a lot of glorification happening. There's a lot of talking about the crucifixion

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So it's interesting here because the gospel of john actually mirrors the book of exodus in a lot of ways

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Yeah, yeah

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So like early on in exodus think about this god pours out signs and wonders in the ten plagues in the crossing of the red sea

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Manna from heaven which by the way jesus says in the gospel of john i am the man that came down from heaven. Yep

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There is a lot of direct quotes from the book of exodus in that section and in the back half

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We're there's this conversation about who god is and the glory of god rests on this mountain

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It passes in front of moses. Yeah

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They really talk about the creation of the tabernacle or this place and they're being given the law

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And you compare that with what's going on in the book of john

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Now we're actually seeing the completion of everything that had come before in the person of jesus the death bearer and resurrection

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And the restoration of all mankind which is very similar to what is happening in the book of exodus

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Yeah, and it's very intentional by john and I was actually pointing this out

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This is just one piece we're going to pull for you

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We're actually going to pull two two different pieces one from john three because it's one of the most familiar stories in the gospels

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But first I want to talk about at the end of the book of john

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Mary comes and she dips her head in and she sees that jesus isn't there

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Right that's probably not how it says but she dips her head into look to see if jesus isn't there

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And there are two angels which are not really the focal point of the story

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Except that there is a table with an angel in the front and an angel on the back and jesus is closed in the middle

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He's not there now

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In the book of exodus they create this thing called the ark of the covenant

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Do you know what they place inside of the ark of the covenant?

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Stone tablets stone tablets representing torah they put mana

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from

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The desert and they take the eventually it's going to come up in numbers and we'll talk about it

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Then the staff that buds that shows that moses and erin

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Have the authority that god placed on them and it says that moses goes into the tabernacle and he speaks to god

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Between the two cherubim i'm sorry what we're setting on the other side of where jesus was resurrected angels. Oh like they can't

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That's probably a coincidence, right?

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It's not like jesus said that he was the word made flesh or that he was the manna that came from heaven or that he is the

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The high priest in the order of melchizedek. Yeah, john is not doing these things by accident. He is drawing imagery

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They're very familiar with yeah

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To tell them what jesus is doing because now instead of it being an exodus from egypt

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Now it's an exodus from sin and from death. That's awesome. Yeah

453
00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:34,340
Yeah, and so seeing those parallels between john and exodus

454
00:25:34,340 --> 00:25:36,660
Are very important when you're studying this

455
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:41,140
And some of you are listening to this and you're like I have never heard that talked about

456
00:25:42,020 --> 00:25:47,460
That's not surprising to me. It doesn't surprise me one bit, but there are huge parallels there

457
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:50,500
Not even just what ben was talking about but just the structure

458
00:25:50,820 --> 00:25:56,580
So understanding the structure of exodus and the structure of john is important because they are structured very similar

459
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:58,740
You have signs and wonders at the beginning of exodus

460
00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:02,260
You have signs and wonders at the beginning of john and then you go into glorification

461
00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:08,100
On both books on the second half. Yeah, and it becomes incredibly important because john is expectation

462
00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:10,500
Is that you understand the pictures that are being written drawn?

463
00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:13,700
Yeah, one of the other stories that I like to talk about in fact

464
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:16,580
I was talking about last week while I was when I was preaching with pastor nick

465
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:22,820
And I talk about john 3 one of the most familiar verses that anybody knows because it's usually the first one that they memorize

466
00:26:23,140 --> 00:26:29,460
Countless people have come to christ through this verse. Okay, so it's probably the most well-known verse in the world

467
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:32,980
That's john 3 16. It's for god so loved the world that he gave his one and only son

468
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,980
Whosoever would believe in him would not perish but have eternal life. Okay

469
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:40,420
I had the conversation. I said now

470
00:26:41,140 --> 00:26:48,260
When jesus has this conversation with nick edemis and john is writing this book. We have the benefit of knowing what happens in the future

471
00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:52,100
You and I we have the benefit of knowing what happens in the future

472
00:26:52,740 --> 00:26:56,340
When jesus is having this whole conversation then the whole conversation prior to that

473
00:26:56,340 --> 00:27:00,100
With nick edemis, what does nick edemis think jesus is talking about?

474
00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:05,700
Because he still doesn't understand after that conversation that jesus is the son of god once again

475
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:08,260
Go and read that story

476
00:27:08,260 --> 00:27:11,860
And look for the themes of exodus. It's going to be talking about passing through blood and water

477
00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:14,820
It's going to be talking about the light and dark

478
00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:17,780
It's going to be talking about all sorts of things that are going on

479
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:22,020
In fact, it's going to talk about the wind moving. You don't see where it is. You just have to follow it

480
00:27:22,020 --> 00:27:24,020
You see the effect of the wind moving

481
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,580
You don't see where it is. You just have to follow it. You see the effects

482
00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:29,700
Like all these different things are connecting back to the exodus

483
00:27:30,020 --> 00:27:36,180
Now I want to explain to you that in the old testament and in judaism there is actually a son of god

484
00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:38,820
Yeah, it's israel

485
00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:43,380
Israel is god's firstborn and guess where it actually comes up

486
00:27:44,260 --> 00:27:50,820
In the exodus. Moses is instructed to say to pharaoh thus saith the lord israel is my son

487
00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:54,020
My firstborn. Okay, so having that context

488
00:27:54,580 --> 00:28:00,900
Now let's go to this conversation between nick edemus and jesus. So now jesus says to nick edemus

489
00:28:01,540 --> 00:28:04,020
For god so loved the world

490
00:28:04,420 --> 00:28:09,540
All of the world all nations that he gave his one and only son

491
00:28:09,940 --> 00:28:11,940
Now nick edemus is mine. Who is he thinking?

492
00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:12,900
Israel

493
00:28:12,900 --> 00:28:14,420
Israel

494
00:28:14,420 --> 00:28:17,540
That whoever would believe in him

495
00:28:17,540 --> 00:28:23,700
Would not perish but have eternal life in words right standing with god because it's always been about all nations

496
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,860
Now let's continue on into 17

497
00:28:26,660 --> 00:28:32,260
God didn't send israel into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him

498
00:28:32,740 --> 00:28:33,700
Yeah

499
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:41,220
It's really important that we understand that jesus is a jewish messiah because jesus steps into the rule of israel

500
00:28:41,220 --> 00:28:46,500
In the world and does what israel was always supposed to do as the representative of israel

501
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:53,140
He steps in and redeems all of mankind now on a very real level israel wouldn't have been able to do it

502
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:55,540
That's why jesus eventually comes down

503
00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:59,700
But he actually comes down as a representative of a story that god has been telling for a very long time

504
00:28:59,700 --> 00:29:03,940
The story of jesus isn't a new story. It's the old story made new

505
00:29:04,420 --> 00:29:05,220
Yeah

506
00:29:05,220 --> 00:29:09,620
And now we know that verse is talking about jesus

507
00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:11,620
That verse is talking about jesus

508
00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:17,700
Correct. We know that right nick adidas wouldn't yeah jesus hadn't revealed himself

509
00:29:18,820 --> 00:29:24,420
To nick adidas. Yeah, and please don't mishear me. I'm 100 saying that story is about jesus

510
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:30,820
Yes, that entire story is about jesus, but jesus is speaking into speaking of what we were talking about earlier

511
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:37,780
Into a context he's speaking into a context that nick adidas and he's calling him to be like israel is supposed to be

512
00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:41,460
He's speaking a language nick adidas would understand at the same time

513
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,620
Foretelling what he's going to do. Yeah, it's like jesus was a brilliant communicator. Yeah

514
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:52,500
Just saying that it's so good. It's so good. Yeah

515
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,820
Understanding the context of exodus is going to be really important because you're going to start picking some of these things up

516
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:06,020
Yeah, luke does it a lot too matthew mark. They also do this. They allude back to the exodus and torah

517
00:30:06,020 --> 00:30:12,200
Yeah, specifically like deuteronomy. We're actually going to go into some of those pieces where the devil has a conversation with jesus

518
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Yeah, we're going to talk through that because he specifically quotes from deuteronomy multiple times in order to have a conversation with the devil

519
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160
in the desert

520
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,000
If jesus christ thinks that knowing the word of god is important

521
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,840
The guy who literally is the word made flat it might be worth it for us to take a second look

522
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,240
Yeah, and a third look. Yeah

523
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,720
Maybe a fourth look to maybe a fifth. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Don't stop there. Just keep going

524
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,080
So that is the exodus. Yeah

525
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,560
In a nutshell, that's the exodus jesus references it a lot paul references it a lot

526
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,800
There's a lot of call back to the exodus. Um, and so it's an important story for us to know

527
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,760
So don't cut it short

528
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,160
I think that

529
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:04,520
One of the things that we have to understand is that the exodus is a lot more personal than we make it a lot of times

530
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,040
Yes

531
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080
Exodus is not just about a nation leaving egypt

532
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:15,000
It's also about us leaving what we know behind to step into the promised land of what god is taking us to

533
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,040
What it means to follow jesus, correct?

534
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,440
Yeah

535
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:26,280
It's very difficult to leave egypt. In fact, we're going to talk in probably not as much in leviticus

536
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,600
But more in numbers and deuteronomy the israelites really struggle to leave egypt behind. Yeah, they do

537
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:41,400
And we need to have patience with them because so do we metaphorically egypt but god as the song says he steps into my egypt

538
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,560
And leads me out. Yep

539
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
So good. So this one's going to be a little bit shorter for you guys

540
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,920
We were getting a little long in the tooth in the past, but we just wanted to really like

541
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,080
Emphasize it's really important that we understand this context

542
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,200
Mm-hmm

543
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,920
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544
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,840
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545
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,560
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546
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,160
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547
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,600
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548
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:22,600
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549
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550
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551
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552
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553
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556
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557
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,200
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558
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559
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,200
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560
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561
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562
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563
00:33:29,180 --> 00:33:33,180
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564
00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:39,900
Side note as you were talking about like the ark of the covenant

565
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:46,380
Yeah, and how they put mana from heaven in there my brain went to okay that must have wreaked when indiana jones had that opened

566
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:48,460
Oh, yeah, the raiders of the lost are

567
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:51,740
Sorry

568
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:58,300
That is historically accurate harrison ford is replaying a historical character called indiana jones

569
00:33:59,100 --> 00:34:01,100
Yeah, yeah, sorry

570
00:34:01,740 --> 00:34:04,300
Yeah, this is way much better so much better

571
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:08,940
Yeah, i'm gonna edit out where you said way much better. This is so much better. Hold on a second

572
00:34:08,940 --> 00:34:10,940
I gotta mute that

573
00:34:11,020 --> 00:34:16,540
Otherwise, we're gonna just get ran's laptops trying to add to the conversation right now. God bless. See you next time

574
00:34:17,900 --> 00:34:19,900
Hear us next time

575
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:39,420
Blah, okay