1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760 Welcome to the Love in Context podcast of Unscripted Conversation with Ben and Spencer. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,080 So glad that you could join us today, whether that's from your car, office, home, church, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,180 or wherever you're at. 4 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:18,800 If you want to contact us, you can email us at lovingcontext at gmail.com. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,280 Also follow us on Instagram at lovingcontext. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Welcome to the Love in Context podcast, where we talk in an unscripted manner. 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,360 I'm Spencer. 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,360 I am Ben. 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,800 Yeah, and there's Ben sitting across from me, because you can totally tell that's the 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:36,800 case. 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Yep. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:38,800 Yep. 13 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,320 I'm being friendly and waving my fingers at him in a wavy finger manner. 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,720 That's totally a saying. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,240 That's something people say, right? 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,960 We have a guest this week, somebody who actually will tolerate us. 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,440 So my friend and also one of our pastors, Nick, is here visiting us today. 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:54,440 Say hi, Nick. 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Hey, what's up? 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,480 So, Nick, we have been friends for a long time. 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Some would say too long. 22 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Yeah. 23 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Usually that's you that says that. 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,280 That's me. 25 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,440 One of the stories that Nick and I tell on a frequent basis when we talk about knowing 26 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,000 each other is he was a reluctant friend of mine. 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,880 I met him and I told him we were going to be friends. 28 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,880 He says, yeah, right. 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,520 And I said, here we are 20 years later. 30 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:15,520 I was right. 31 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,520 He was right. 32 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:17,520 Yeah. 33 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,320 You kept trying to get away. 34 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,160 I tried to, and then just didn't work out. 35 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:27,560 The funny thing on my end is I've heard both Nick and Ben tell the same stories from different 36 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,720 perspectives and I've been like, do you sound like two different stories? 37 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Well, yeah. 38 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:33,720 Yeah. 39 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,720 But it's like, there's the right one, the one I tell, and then the wrong one, which 40 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,080 is the one Nick tells. 41 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,600 One's a better storyteller and the other's not. 42 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,600 That's all I'm saying. 43 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:43,600 Yeah. 44 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:44,600 Yeah. 45 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,600 That's awesome. 46 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:46,600 That's awesome. 47 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,720 So Nick, we're in Exodus and you kind of know where we've been talking about. 48 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,320 And you've listened to the podcast, right? 49 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,320 So you're kind of familiar. 50 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,320 I'm pretty close. 51 00:01:53,320 --> 00:02:00,000 I didn't go for my weekly walk to catch up fully, but I probably have podcasts behind 52 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,000 me. 53 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000 You have podcasts behind you. 54 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,360 You kind of get what we do here. 55 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,900 So if you have not read your Bible, you should do that. 56 00:02:08,900 --> 00:02:09,980 We should do that. 57 00:02:09,980 --> 00:02:12,920 You can pause the podcast and we're going to be reading, you're going to want to read 58 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,520 Exodus 12 through 18 or up to 18. 59 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,640 We're going to be talking about the things that happened in between there. 60 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:24,760 So last week we were talking about this confrontation of Moses and Pharaoh, right? 61 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:29,800 And we talked about how God is a God who pursues relentlessly people that we don't want to 62 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,400 go after, right? 63 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:37,960 He's after Pharaoh and he's after Egypt and he's like, I want you in my family, right? 64 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,920 Because that's who God is. 65 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:45,220 The whole point of even working through Israel is that they're supposed to bless all nations. 66 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:50,320 God puts his people at the crossroads of the world because it's through them, all the nations 67 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,320 are going to be blessed. 68 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,400 The whole point is that everybody's supposed to come back. 69 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,240 In fact, we're going to talk about the temple later, but like when you look at the temple 70 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,600 in Jerusalem, there's like the Holy of Holies and there's the court. 71 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:08,240 The court of the Gentiles is massive compared to the temple itself. 72 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,480 It's almost like God's telling a story that it's always about all nations, right? 73 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,240 And so we see in the story of the Exodus, God isn't coming and he's not beating up on Egypt, 74 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,560 but he's actually challenging Egypt's gods. 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,720 He says, you're trusting in your gods of water and your gods of afterlife, your gods of livestock, 76 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,180 your gods of all these different things. 77 00:03:24,180 --> 00:03:29,440 And you're not realizing that I, the God who was the God who is the God who will be, am 78 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,560 the one who is actually going to bring you through all of this. 79 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Like he's telling a story to the Egyptians. 80 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Are you going to trust me or are you going to continue to trust in your fake gods? 81 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:39,720 Yeah. 82 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:40,720 Yeah. 83 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,080 And he starts to lead Israel on this journey of trust. 84 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,080 Right. 85 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,080 Right. 86 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Because if you, if you actually follow Israel's journey out of Egypt, it's not a direct route 87 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,640 that they take. 88 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Nope. 89 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,800 No, it's actually a route that you would look at on a map and be like, that's interesting. 90 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Like, like that's a, that's a fun route that you went. 91 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Why'd you do that? 92 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,220 So, and if you look at their journey, like the Lord's leading them on a trust journey. 93 00:04:05,220 --> 00:04:09,440 If you look at the route they took out of Egypt, it was not a direct route. 94 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,440 Right. 95 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,600 Because they went in a very roundabout way. 96 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,600 Right. 97 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,720 And which once again, we're going to recommend that book, the Exodus, you almost passed over 98 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,000 by Rabbi David Foreman. 99 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,800 A lot of insight because that's not the first time they took that journey. 100 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,800 No, it's not. 101 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Yeah. 102 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,880 So one of the things you want to always pay attention contextually in the word is that 103 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,040 there are patterns. 104 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Yeah. 105 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,800 And they're important because the person who's writing is assuming that you as a Middle Eastern 106 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,960 listener recognize patterns and identify what's going on. 107 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,520 Like it's an assumption that you're going to actually connect those things. 108 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,520 Yeah. 109 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,000 So, so here we are, like now the 10 plagues have come and Pharaoh's like, you know what? 110 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 It's time for you to go. 111 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Right. 112 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,720 It is time for you to go. 113 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:56,200 And so they're not just leaving, like they basically loot the entire country. 114 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,200 Yeah. 115 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Right. 116 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,080 Cause they're like, go ask your neighbors for gold and silver, which by the way, that 117 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,400 gold is not going to age well, but go ask for gold and silver. 118 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:10,140 I'm talking about something coming up in Exodus, like 32 and ask for food and for oxen. 119 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:15,280 And so like they leave and they've got like just a ton of stuff, just a ton of stuff on 120 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,360 a very broad level. 121 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Can we also just say that maybe when you listen to do things, God's way, it ends better than 122 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,720 if you just left on your own terms. 123 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,720 Yeah. 124 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,720 Yeah. 125 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:25,720 Right. 126 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,080 Like that, that's a, that's a huge takeaway from that. 127 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Like God has a plan. 128 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,860 He's going to fund his, and you know, and Egypt is not, not poor. 129 00:05:32,860 --> 00:05:36,040 Like Egypt's a really rich country. 130 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,080 Like you don't build pyramids because you're poor. 131 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,680 I think it's really interesting here. 132 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,860 So they're, they're headed out of Egypt. 133 00:05:41,860 --> 00:05:47,040 They're in the desert and they're being led by a pillar fire at night and a cloud during 134 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,200 the day and wherever that leads, they follow. 135 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Right. 136 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:57,080 That's actually going to be a reoccurring theme throughout Torah is that the cloud of 137 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,880 God is going to move and Israel follows. 138 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,720 I really wish we could get the church to follow that idea today. 139 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:05,720 Right. 140 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Right. 141 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,720 I get nothing. 142 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,320 I was just going to give you a right and a not. 143 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,320 I love it. 144 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,240 I was nodding my head and I had to say right out loud. 145 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Yeah. 146 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,240 It's so good. 147 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:22,000 And you know, because I think a lot of times we try to build systems that we think accomplishes 148 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,200 the will of God and God's like, that's cool, but I'm over here. 149 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,320 I don't want you over there. 150 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,780 I want you over here. 151 00:06:28,780 --> 00:06:32,400 And so frequently we try to put our strengths on display and God's like, Hey, you know your 152 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:33,400 weaknesses. 153 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,440 I can work with that. 154 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,760 Those things that you're not good at when you suddenly are really good at something 155 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,200 that you're terrible at, the people are like, well, clearly God had to be in this situation. 156 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,200 Right. 157 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,200 Right. 158 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:52,040 I remember when I was first tasked with video creating and editing and stuff like that, 159 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,320 I had no idea what I was doing. 160 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:55,320 No idea. 161 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Yeah. 162 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,400 And then the church I was working at, we're going to start doing testimonial videos. 163 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,600 And I was like, that's great. 164 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,400 And they're like, and Spencer, you're going to make them perfect. 165 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,120 And I'm like, all right, sounds good. 166 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,800 And so I spent time praying about it, did the research that I could and just dove in 167 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,360 and they turned out fine. 168 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Like they turned out fine. 169 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,120 It took a lot of learning. 170 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,280 There was definitely some that were more of a flop than others, but like it was something 171 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,680 that the Lord had his hand in and it blessed people. 172 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:29,680 Right, so they're coming out of Egypt, they're in the desert, they're being led, and then 173 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:35,400 they come to this body of water and like God puts them into like a position to once again, 174 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,320 he's going to put on display the judgment of Egypt's gods. 175 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Right. 176 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,240 And so then Egypt, Pharaoh looks and he's like, Oh, look at them. 177 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,240 They're all confused. 178 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,240 They don't know where to go. 179 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,240 Right. 180 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,280 They don't know where they're supposed to go. 181 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,560 And like, and so then he sends his entire army to come after them. 182 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,640 500 chariots are bearing down on them, right? 183 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:57,640 With the other armies. 184 00:07:57,640 --> 00:07:58,640 That's just the chariots. 185 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,320 It's not like the other horses because it's not just chariots as you're mounted horses 186 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,160 and like, and then you got foot soldiers and like all sorts of things. 187 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:05,160 Right. 188 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,960 So Egypt's might, the pinnacle of like military might at this time. 189 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,160 This is the world's superpower. 190 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Yeah. 191 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,160 At the time. 192 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,520 This is not, this is not a small country coming after you. 193 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:21,040 This is the military superpower of the time saying, okay, we are going to take back what 194 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,040 is ours. 195 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,040 Yeah. 196 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:27,840 And so they go and they are pursuing them in what looks like a dead end, except they're 197 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,440 right in the middle of where God is planning them to be. 198 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:32,440 Yeah. 199 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:33,440 Right. 200 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:38,120 So I have, I have a thought about the Red Sea and I'm sure that you're surprised that 201 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:39,640 I have a thought about that. 202 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:45,000 I find it really interesting that one, the people are like, you led us out into the desert 203 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,000 to die. 204 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,560 Like they literally just saw the pretend plagues. 205 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:52,600 Fear inside of ice, right? 206 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,000 Like this is something they just saw. 207 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,240 And they're like, well, clearly now we're going to die. 208 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:02,440 We're also kind of says to your point how fearsome this army looks. 209 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:03,440 Yeah. 210 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,280 And this isn't the only time they do this after they cross the Red Sea, not much time 211 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,960 passes before the golden calf. 212 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,960 Yeah. 213 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,960 Like, like don't get too far ahead. 214 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,960 That's coming up. 215 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,720 But like, it's not the first time that they do this. 216 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,600 Stop trying to jump to chapter three in Genesis. 217 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:22,000 We're in chapter one, that's a previous callback joke. 218 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Anyways, so Nick, your experience, have you ever been in a position where everything seems 219 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,480 hopeless and you're like, Oh dear God, I hope you help me. 220 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:32,480 Yeah. 221 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:33,480 It's called the youth ministry. 222 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,480 So good. 223 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,480 Oh man. 224 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:46,440 But really, I mean, yeah, there's just those moments in whether it's ministry or life, 225 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,400 you're just like, well, here we go. 226 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Let's do it. 227 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,680 I love that Moses comes to God. 228 00:09:52,680 --> 00:09:55,280 He's like, these people, they're, they're yelling at me. 229 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,440 And to be fair, the words that they use, I mean, he's literally, they're about to kill 230 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,440 him. 231 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,440 Right? 232 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,440 Right. 233 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:02,440 So it's not like they're just yelling at him. 234 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,440 It's not like, Oh, they hurt my feelings. 235 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,600 They're, if his fear of his life. 236 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,240 And I was like, why are you complaining to me? 237 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,780 Stretch out your hand and see what's going to happen. 238 00:10:10,780 --> 00:10:11,780 Do something. 239 00:10:11,780 --> 00:10:12,780 Right. 240 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:13,780 Do something. 241 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:16,440 And there's a piece that I think is really interesting here because this is going to 242 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:22,720 be a really important piece later in Israel's history. 243 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:28,000 So in chapter 14, in verse 13, Moses answers the people. 244 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,800 He says, do not be afraid, stand firm and you will see the deliverance. 245 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,880 The Lord will bring you today. 246 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,240 The Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. 247 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,720 The Lord will fight for you. 248 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,580 You only need to be still. 249 00:10:40,580 --> 00:10:43,040 And then God says to Moses, he says, why are you crying out to me? 250 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,720 Well, the Israelites to move on. 251 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,720 And of course, if I'm Moses, I'm like, where? 252 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:48,720 Right? 253 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:49,720 Yeah. 254 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:50,720 You got cliffs on each side of you. 255 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:56,160 You have a sea in front of you and you have the world's superpower behind you. 256 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,160 Right? 257 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Right. 258 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:59,160 It's God logic. 259 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,080 He's like, clearly you're supposed to walk through the water. 260 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,080 Uh huh. 261 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Right? 262 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,080 Yeah. 263 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,600 But by the way, we were talking about Jesus having a sense of humor and he, it says like 264 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,840 when he's walking on the waves, he says, it says that he's going to pass them. 265 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,840 Right? 266 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 And it's like, I just get this picture of like Jesus like waving at them as he's going 267 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,560 by he's like, Hey guys, how's it going? 268 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:17,560 Right? 269 00:11:17,560 --> 00:11:22,400 He says, stretch out your hand and over the sea and divide the water so that the Israelites 270 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,280 can go through the sea on dry land. 271 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,880 So what I think is interesting here is that at this point, Moses says to them, he says, 272 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:35,860 stand and see the deliverance of God because Israel is going to walk through on dry land, 273 00:11:35,860 --> 00:11:39,120 but this isn't the only time they're going to run into water and they're going to have 274 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,640 to cross water. 275 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,600 After the book of Deuteronomy, Joshua is going to lead the people back into the promised 276 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,160 land. 277 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,160 God's going to give him instruction. 278 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,080 He says, you're going to have the, the priest go in front of you with the arc of the covenant 279 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,920 on your shoulders and I want you to go and walk into the river. 280 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,080 And now it's a flood season. 281 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,360 So the river's huge. 282 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:07,540 And he says, when your foot hits the ground, the water won't be there. 283 00:12:07,540 --> 00:12:10,240 So one time it's stand and deliver and watch what God's going to do. 284 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:15,080 And the other time he says, I'm not going to do anything until you put your foot out 285 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,080 there. 286 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,800 There's a call forward into Psalms as well. 287 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,880 When it talks about the Lord delivering you from your oppressor. 288 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,840 So there's two miracles happening side by side here. 289 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,800 So not only is God parting the Red Sea so the Israelites can walk through, but he's 290 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,160 also holding the Egyptian army at bay. 291 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,160 Yeah. 292 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,160 Right. 293 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,960 He's saying, okay, I'm going to create a path and deliver you from this. 294 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,040 And I'm going to hold your oppressors at bay so that you can safely get out of this situation. 295 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,040 Yeah. 296 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,040 Right. 297 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,800 And I don't know, like maybe there's someone who's listening who needs to hear that. 298 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,120 The Lord's like, there's deliverance that happens. 299 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,080 And not only, it's not just deliverance, but he's also holding back the opposition. 300 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,080 Right. 301 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,120 And let's be clear. 302 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,120 That doesn't happen in every situation in life. 303 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Right. 304 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,920 There's points in scripture too, where, where there's deliverance that's happening, but 305 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,200 it doesn't feel like the opposition is being held back. 306 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:06,200 Right. 307 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,440 Like, I mean, I can think of Gideon, for example, like there's deliverance happening, but it, 308 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,960 but there's still huge armies and they're still under occupation. 309 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,960 Right. 310 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:19,320 So it's, I don't want to take that statement from Exodus and be like, that applies across 311 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,320 the board to everybody. 312 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:21,320 Nope. 313 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,320 It's too like broadly, because it doesn't. 314 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:25,320 Yeah. 315 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:26,320 Right. 316 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 But there are times where that does happen. 317 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:28,320 Right. 318 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,680 Where the, where you are being delivered from something and the opposition's being held 319 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:32,680 at bay. 320 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:33,680 Right. 321 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:38,360 And we see with that, like, like I said, sometimes God is going to come and deliver you. 322 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,520 Yeah. 323 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,160 Sometimes he's going to say, you need to take a step. 324 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,080 Both of those are moves of God. 325 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:52,360 And so it becomes really important that we learn to hear the voice of God. 326 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,280 See where the cloud is. 327 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,120 If we're listening to our voice, my voice is going to lead me into bad places often. 328 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,120 Yeah. 329 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,160 My voice thinks that I need another cheeseburger, right? 330 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,160 Always. 331 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,160 Always need another cheeseball. 332 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,960 I need, and with that cheeseburger, I should have some cheesecake. 333 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,320 Oh, you're sensing a theme. 334 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,320 It's a lot of dairy, right? 335 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:13,320 Yeah. 336 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,040 That sounds like, and then when you get done, you don't do this. 337 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:17,440 Nick, Nick is adamant. 338 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,680 Like cheese is not a flavor. 339 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,640 Cheese is just, it's whatever I could take it or leave it. 340 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,000 Man, we're going to put that on a coffee mug for you. 341 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,920 She's just whatever I could take it or leave it. 342 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Yeah. 343 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,000 So that's the cream, that's where it's at, but cheese itself is just whatever. 344 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Cheese itself. 345 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000 Yeah. 346 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,800 I do want to direct, there is some interesting things going on in the Hebrew. 347 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,080 So we're always going to direct back to Vama podcast and Bible project have some really 348 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,180 great insights into what's going on in Hebrew. 349 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:43,840 We're not going to focus so much on that because they do a great job. 350 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,080 We're not going to retrod old ground. 351 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:54,920 How hard is it, how hard is it to sit back and wait for God to come through? 352 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:01,080 I mean, you think about, I just think about so many times in my life where it's youth 353 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,080 ministry. 354 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,480 I did youth ministry for a long time where, you know, I started youth in the youth ministry 355 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,480 as a youth pastor. 356 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Things were just crazy good all the time, chaotic and weird stuff happened, but the 357 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,320 ministry was just phenomenal. 358 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:21,400 And then I think of times, you know, youth ministry seasonal, you got springtime and 359 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:26,240 that's just like, that's the time of growth and you hit summer and then, and where we're 360 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,360 at we're seasonal literally. 361 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,160 So we're in Alaska summertime is like all the kids are out fishing, you know, doing 362 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,520 stuff with family travel. 363 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:36,520 Great. 364 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Now they know we're in a fishing place. 365 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,200 I just mess with Alaska bro. 366 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Fishing is everywhere. 367 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,600 What are you talking about? 368 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,840 And well, they're not in fear rings. 369 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,800 The joke that we have around here is like, if you're doing a youth ministry event and 370 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,200 it's in the summer and the day is beautiful, you better move that thing to a boat. 371 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Yeah. 372 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Otherwise no one's showing up. 373 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,200 That's legit. 374 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,360 Move it to a boat and there better be some rods and reels. 375 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:02,960 Nothing's happening. 376 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Or not, or like, or you're just not, or you're going to be sitting there by yourself being 377 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:07,720 like, why didn't anybody come? 378 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Yeah. 379 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:09,720 It's cause you weren't fishing. 380 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:14,080 And then you get right into the, into September and it's like late August and September and 381 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,920 you're like starting ministry all over again. 382 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,760 We hit Christmas, you know, it's big, it's great. 383 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:21,760 Lots of parties. 384 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,280 So what I, what I hear you saying is that like the actual waiting on the Lord is not 385 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,720 hard, but it's hard and maybe emotionally emotionally, it can be super draining. 386 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,480 Cause it's like, I just convinced the board to give me all this money to do so and so 387 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,200 idea and nothing is happening. 388 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:43,440 Like very, very like that's a downer and it's a downer for seven days and then it turns 389 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,520 14 days cause didn't work again and you know, not that 10 kids showing up instead of 50. 390 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,520 That's a downer. 391 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:51,920 10 kids is actually pretty great. 392 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:52,920 Right. 393 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,520 You know, in the long run, it's just interesting. 394 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,520 Yeah. 395 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Just, you just got to wait it out and just wait for the Lord to do his thing, especially 396 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:02,320 over the longterm. 397 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,320 So I have a kind of a older, I guess I'll use the word mentor, but he was kind of doing 398 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,920 different youth ministry in my high school when I was in high school and I had a discussion 399 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,040 with him recently. 400 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,640 He knows Spencer really well and he was talking about how doing ministry with my group of 401 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:24,200 kids that I was in in high school, how it was very emotionally draining for him and 402 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,800 how we sucked the life out of him just cause you know, was it we or was it you? 403 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,040 It wasn't me actually. 404 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:36,740 I was, I mean, I wasn't helping, but it wasn't me personally, but just out of that group 405 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:41,040 of kids being in ministry that he put, he put a lot into us. 406 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,040 Like he really did. 407 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:47,920 He was above and beyond when it came to relationship building and getting to know us really well. 408 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,040 And he's always just like, you're, you know, in this conversation I have with him is like 409 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,440 your group, I put so much into you guys and nothing came out of it. 410 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,240 I think he's like, you're the only one who's stuck around in ministry or in life, like 411 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:02,240 the only one there. 412 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,200 And so for him, that's a good example. 413 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:10,480 Like he poured a lot into these kids and visually or what he sees today, which doesn't mean 414 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:15,560 everything is no fruit from it, which is kind of a, not the best feeling. 415 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,560 Yeah. 416 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Yeah. 417 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:18,560 Yeah. 418 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:19,560 It's hard. 419 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,560 I can relate to that. 420 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,360 Like I remember the youth ministry job that I had where there was about 40 students that 421 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:30,000 were coming and there's one student I had an impact on. 422 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,200 Right. 423 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,200 And it, and that's tough. 424 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:37,920 Like even as a ministry leader, that's tough to be like, okay, I'm here for this season 425 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,480 in time and you're expecting the God to move in mighty powerful ways that you're perceiving 426 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,400 from an earthly perspective. 427 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,880 And then God's like, all right, you're going to have impact on one person. 428 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,120 Right. 429 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:55,120 It's it's a totally different mindset that we have to shift into sometimes of being like, 430 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:56,320 okay, who's that? 431 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:01,000 Who's the one or two people in our lives that we know the Lord wants us to reach out to? 432 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Right. 433 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,000 Right. 434 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:10,640 I think it's hard to see metaphorically the Pharaoh bearing down on you. 435 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,640 Right. 436 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,640 And you can even see the cloud between you and Pharaoh. 437 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,880 And then God's like, oh, by the way, I split the sea. 438 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,880 Now you get to walk through it. 439 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Isn't like, this is a weird thing. 440 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,480 Okay. 441 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,040 I mean, you're walking through water on both sides, right? 442 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,600 Like this is, this is a crazy thing to do. 443 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,440 I mean, I know that they've just seen crazy, but like it's tough. 444 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,840 I mean, like that, that'd be terrifying for me. 445 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,600 Like, listen, I, I trust God. 446 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,600 Right. 447 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,080 But that water's real wet. 448 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,960 And like, so they go through, but here's the thing that I think is really interesting. 449 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:46,440 So it says that once they're most of the way through the angel of the Lord goes from the 450 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:47,440 back of them. 451 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,440 Right. 452 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,440 And it goes back to the front of them. 453 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:54,080 So now there's nothing between Egypt and the Israelites. 454 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:59,280 Now if you're a Pharaoh at this point, how does your brain go? 455 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,240 Okay, now I got them. 456 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,000 Is this, is this really your thought? 457 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,480 Now I got them. 458 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:13,360 Except I know that I have been a little Pharaoh sometimes and I'm like, oh, this is my chance 459 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,120 to finally get what I want. 460 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:23,200 And I plunge head first right into the middle of a sea that's about to crash on me. 461 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,120 God's like, I'm going to step away from it. 462 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:28,240 And I'm like, I'm going to run into that. 463 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Right. 464 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,760 And I actually feel myself where Pharaoh is a little bit. 465 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:34,880 Yeah. 466 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:41,880 And the other thing that's important to note on this is we're not talking about a river. 467 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,880 Right. 468 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,920 We're not talking about like, oh, a river. 469 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,480 It's going to take everybody 15 minutes to walk across this thing. 470 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,480 We're talking at a distance. 471 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,880 I don't know the exact distance, but we're talking a distance to where it is likely that 472 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:59,000 they might've had to actually camp out on the sea floor for a night or two to get across. 473 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,000 Right. 474 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,360 And the water sustaining being departed on both sides. 475 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:09,080 But to get down a couple thousand feet and be like, all right, we're crossing this. 476 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,080 And then to be like, okay, we got to make camp so we can rest. 477 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Right. 478 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,320 Talk about trust. 479 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:15,320 Yeah. 480 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,320 And what the Lord's doing. 481 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Yeah. 482 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:18,320 It's a ton of trust. 483 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,640 I mean, it's no wonder that through the rest of the Bible, we're referencing back to the 484 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,040 Exodus because God is doing some truly awesome things here. 485 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,720 And specifically, he's putting his character on display because even in this situation, 486 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,040 like Pharaoh has gone after him. 487 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,240 And I understand like people are going to go read back on hardened the heart and blah, 488 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,240 blah, blah. 489 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Okay. 490 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:39,240 Go back and actually do some research. 491 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,640 Go read some rabbi de reforman, like go read some stuff about the Hebrew because what's 492 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,800 happening is not what you think is happening. 493 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Right. 494 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:50,560 But in this situation, like Pharaoh is still going to like go and pursue and get what he 495 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,080 wants and like all these different things. 496 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,320 But God is still giving grace to Pharaoh in the middle of this. 497 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,400 He's not telling me he has to come into the water. 498 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,400 Right. 499 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:07,400 I wonder because there is the rabbinic conversation about if Pharaoh had answered Moses initially 500 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,280 and let them go out and actually worship, would God have taken them through the Exodus 501 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,520 or would he have actually changed Egypt, right? 502 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,040 Brought Pharaoh into relationship with him. 503 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,560 I'm entering a thought experiment. 504 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Thought experiment. 505 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,560 Yes. 506 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Do not take this as biblical doctrine. 507 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:24,320 Right. 508 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:30,840 I wonder if there's not an invitation here to Pharaoh again to trust Yahweh. 509 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,840 Yeah. 510 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Right. 511 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,840 Yeah. 512 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,840 It wouldn't be out of his character. 513 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,040 It would not be out of his character at all. 514 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,800 Like that's totally within the character of who God is. 515 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,520 And I just, I think the tendency sometimes when we read the story is we're like, oh, 516 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,440 you know, God has just beaten up on Egypt. 517 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Well, God also loves Egypt, but he's got to take his people out to put a story on display 518 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,520 because it's more important than one nation. 519 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,360 It's actually about all nations. 520 00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:02,640 So the next thing that happens in here is they all sing a song together, which by the 521 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,920 way, if we want to talk about spontaneous worship, right? 522 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,320 That's this right here, right? 523 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Yep. 524 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,320 That's it. 525 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,320 Yeah. 526 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,200 We should try this on Sunday sometime, like just coming up with like a whole song because 527 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,440 like the song of Moses and Miriam is very long. 528 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,760 I think that, you know, we should probably like try to come up with something like this 529 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,760 long. 530 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,840 It's got enough words, right? 531 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Right. 532 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,120 I think that, I think that the media people in the back would be very upset with, they 533 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:31,440 try to catch up with like, okay, what are the words now? 534 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,440 Yeah. 535 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Right. 536 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,200 Once you're off, you're off. 537 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,720 So people who are listening who don't know, Spencer actually plays drums. 538 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,400 He'd probably be the only one that doesn't need help. 539 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,800 He would just keep playing drums. 540 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,800 Right. 541 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,800 Yeah. 542 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,200 Side note on that. 543 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,640 So when we had this inspiration a few weeks ago and you messed up the lyrics, you're like, 544 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,640 oh, my bad. 545 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,680 I was like, no, that represents the AG. 546 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680 What are you talking about? 547 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,760 Oh man. 548 00:23:58,760 --> 00:23:59,760 So great. 549 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,760 Yeah. 550 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,320 I was, I was so focused on getting to verse two that I started to sing those lyrics instead 551 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,520 of verse one. 552 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,640 I think that the natural reaction to God doing incredible things is absolutely worship. 553 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,640 Yeah. 554 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,640 Right? 555 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:13,640 Yeah. 556 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:19,800 I think one of the issues is we have a tendency to think worship is just song, whereas worship 557 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320 is not limited to just what you say. 558 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,320 It's more encompassing of like, how do you live your life? 559 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,320 Yeah. 560 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,320 Right. 561 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,720 And every time I see something like this in scripture, I do ask the question, where are 562 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,600 they physically at in this moment? 563 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,120 And the answer is they just entered into a desert. 564 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:46,000 Like they didn't cross the Red Sea, get to a lush green garden and be like, everything 565 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,080 is great. 566 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,080 They crossed the Red Sea. 567 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,720 They're like, we were delivered. 568 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,280 They praise God, but now they're sitting in a desert with nothing. 569 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,280 Right? 570 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,840 With nothing except for what they carried through the Red Sea. 571 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,240 Right. 572 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,000 And so to be in a spot where it's like, okay, God, you delivered, we're going to worship, 573 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000 we're going to praise you. 574 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280 We're going to honor you. 575 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Even though all we have is what's on our backs right now. 576 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,440 Right. 577 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,880 But they've seen, you know, I mean, in their defense, like they've seen like God do some 578 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,880 crazy things, right? 579 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,520 And so they're excited because like, Hey, they're oppressors. 580 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,120 The whole armor is just wiped out. 581 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,120 Yeah. 582 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,120 Right. 583 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:23,120 Like that's cool. 584 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,120 Yeah. 585 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:26,040 And they're like, they're like, woo, our God's better than your God. 586 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,600 You know, like that's like their thing. 587 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Right. 588 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,600 That's the exact words I written in excess. 589 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,160 It says sing in high pitch voice. 590 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 Worship is nothing more than responding to what God is. 591 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Yeah. 592 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,720 Yeah. 593 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,720 Right. 594 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:39,720 I think of that song Waymaker, right? 595 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,620 We sing, you know, Waymaker, Miracle Worker, Promise Keeper, Light in the Darkness. 596 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:47,000 But the tag on that is that is who you are. 597 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Right. 598 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,600 And worship is a reaction to who God is. 599 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:58,560 Because I think when we have God in a proper view, we recognize the nature of God as love 600 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,200 and mercy and grace and goodness in the world. 601 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,520 Our natural reaction is going to be to worship. 602 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,000 Right. 603 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,040 I can edit that pause. 604 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,680 No, we're leaving it there. 605 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,680 Yeah. 606 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,000 But we pause on the idea of worship though for a little bit. 607 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Yes, please. 608 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,000 Yeah. 609 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,000 We've all led worship before, right? 610 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Yeah. 611 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,920 Around this, at least us sitting around this coffee table in my living room. 612 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,920 We've all led worship. 613 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,640 And there's seasons where we see great signs of deliverance like this. 614 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,640 Yeah. 615 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:30,640 Right. 616 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,480 Where we're leading worship, the spirit is moving. 617 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,120 There's also been times where I've led worship where I'm walking into it feeling completely 618 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,120 empty. 619 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,120 Right. 620 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:43,080 Like where I'm walking into it being like, I got like little to nothing to offer right 621 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,460 now. 622 00:26:44,460 --> 00:26:48,720 And if I'm honest, some of those times have been the most powerful worship times I've 623 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,680 been a part of where the Lord's like, all right, you got nothing. 624 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,680 Don't worry. 625 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,680 I got you. 626 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,680 Right. 627 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,680 Right. 628 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:56,680 My dog's agreeing upstairs right now. 629 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,680 Where he's worshiping. 630 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,680 Yeah. 631 00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,680 Yeah. 632 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,680 He's praising Jesus right now. 633 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,000 All of creation is respected in creation. 634 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,280 So, but there's times where I've come into worship having nothing to offer. 635 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720 And the Lord just moves in a mighty powerful way. 636 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,720 And he's like, don't worry. 637 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720 You got nothing. 638 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720 He's like, I got you covered. 639 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:17,800 Well, if you take my nothing and add it to God, it's incredible. 640 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:18,800 Right? 641 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,720 It's actually better than if I have a bunch and I bring it and add it to God. 642 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,520 Because usually he has to prune away the things that aren't good about me. 643 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaking of things that aren't good, almost immediately Israel runs into an issue. 644 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,200 Now I want to be like, I want to be like really like in their defense. 645 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,640 The desert is hot. 646 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,640 Yes. 647 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,640 True. 648 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,620 Like it's so hot. 649 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:46,480 So in our town, if it gets to like 85 degrees, I see people running around in tank tops and 650 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,200 shorts and they're like, it's so hot. 651 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,840 The desert is way hotter than that. 652 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:51,840 Right. 653 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,680 I complain when I haven't had my second cup of coffee for the day. 654 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,120 They don't have water to drink. 655 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,160 Right. 656 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,920 You can just imagine like, you ever wake up and your throat, it just feels like somebody 657 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,680 stuffed like a bunch of cotton balls down there. 658 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,680 Yeah. 659 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:10,680 Right. 660 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,520 So imagine like going an entire day where you're that dry. 661 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Put yourself in this, because I think one of the things we need to do when we talk about 662 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,040 the Israelites is we need to first of all realize that we're grafted into the story 663 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,480 and we wouldn't be any better. 664 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,520 In fact, we'd be much worse because we're Americans and so we would not do well in the 665 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,520 desert. 666 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,120 Well, especially where we're from, I just like to tell people, I was like, yeah, people 667 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:32,120 were here. 668 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:33,720 They just like to complain about the weather. 669 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,720 Yeah. 670 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,720 Doesn't matter what it's doing. 671 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,080 They just like to complain about it. 672 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,080 Yeah. 673 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,160 So yeah, if we were in the desert, there's definitely some people in this town that I'm 674 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,120 like, yeah, I don't want you with me if we're going to go to the desert. 675 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,120 Yeah. 676 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,200 Nick, you go to Hawaii, right? 677 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,800 When it's really nice and sunny. 678 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Absolutely. 679 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:52,800 He loves Hawaii. 680 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,200 Nick is like, if Alaska and Hawaii had a baby, it'd be Nick. 681 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,200 Right? 682 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,200 Interesting. 683 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,200 Yeah. 684 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:05,560 So when you're out there and it gets way more sunnier and you're still by the ocean, but 685 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,840 like seriously, how much do you have to hydrate? 686 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,840 A ton. 687 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:09,840 Yeah. 688 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,400 I mean, I'm drinking an obscene amount of water. 689 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:18,280 So they're going and the first place that they go to is this place they go and drink 690 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,760 the water and it's bitter. 691 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,080 Now I've had some nasty water, but I never described it as bitter. 692 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,120 Right? 693 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,680 But it's some bitter, bitter water. 694 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Right? 695 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,720 And the people start grumbling against Moses. 696 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,520 Now once again, on being their defense, it's hot. 697 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,360 It's real hot. 698 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,160 So Moses, like he cries out to God and God shows them to take a piece of wood, which 699 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,040 I mean, I guess apparently that's how you treat water in God's economy. 700 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,640 He was like, throw a piece of wood in there and it just purifies this water. 701 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,240 But then God issues them a ruling and instruction and puts them to the test. 702 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,240 Right? 703 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:57,840 And like this, they come and there's like one well, there's like one piece of water. 704 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,360 But then the crazy thing that happens after this is that when they move on from it, there's 705 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,880 this place that they go and they stay, it's called a lean and there's 12 springs, but 706 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:11,280 there's also 70 palm trees, which let's be honest, you're in the desert, palm trees. 707 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Yes, please hide somewhere under the shade. 708 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:20,760 And I think it's really interesting that sometimes we go and we complain about the water at Mara 709 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,920 and God's like, well, I'm trying to take you to a lean. 710 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Right? 711 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Yeah. 712 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Like we get so caught up in where we are that we forget where we're going. 713 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,880 Yeah. 714 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000 This is a theme in Israel's life. 715 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,000 Theme in our life. 716 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,000 It's a theme in our life. 717 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000 Yeah, too. 718 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,920 And in the life of Israel, this continues over and over where they'll be like, why are 719 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,920 we here? 720 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,160 Lord, why'd you bring us here? 721 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,160 What are we doing here? 722 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,920 God's got something bigger in store. 723 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,800 We do the same thing in our lives. 724 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:58,640 I mean, I can think of time and time again in my life where I'm like, okay, God, why? 725 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,160 Like why'd you bring me here? 726 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,960 Did you just bring me here to suffer, to be in pain? 727 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000 And the Lord's like, no, no, no, you're on the journey. 728 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920 I'm taking you from one place to another. 729 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,360 And when you get there, you're going to realize how good it is. 730 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,520 Right. 731 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,000 And with that said, please don't equate good with easy. 732 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Right. 733 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280 Like I think all too often we can be like, oh, it was good. 734 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,080 And then just kind of think in our heads like, oh, it meant it was easy. 735 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,280 That's not what it means at all. 736 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:32,520 Like having something good in your life can be very difficult, but it can be good. 737 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,520 Yeah. 738 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:34,520 Right. 739 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:40,000 So one of the things that Nick and I like to do is work on cars. 740 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,840 The end result can be really good. 741 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,040 Have we gotten to an end result yet? 742 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Or he said it can be. 743 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,480 Potential in the future. 744 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,160 Currently we have two projects that are like half ripped apart. 745 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,040 We're like, oh, okay. 746 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,200 But the end result can be really good. 747 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,400 The journey getting there though, it can be a little rocky. 748 00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,400 A little. 749 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,400 Right. 750 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,320 So we were this, hopefully there's some car people on this podcast that are listening, 751 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,440 but we were, we were swapping out a valve cover gasket on a car. 752 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Those are words. 753 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,080 And Ben is not a car person. 754 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840 And everything's going smooth in this. 755 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,840 And then we get too smooth. 756 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:16,840 Too smooth. 757 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,760 And then we get to this last bolt to pull ahead to get to the valve cover gasket and 758 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,880 the bolt snaps. 759 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,640 And we're like, well. 760 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,640 We done. 761 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,640 We're done. 762 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,640 Right. 763 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:34,040 And then at the end of the day, the owner of the car is able to get their car fixed. 764 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,440 All these things, everything ended out well. 765 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,040 And the journey was worth it. 766 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,040 Yeah. 767 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,040 Right. 768 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,040 It was a good time. 769 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,040 It was a good time. 770 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,040 We can look back on it and we had a good time. 771 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,800 So side note, the owner of the car did not speak good English. 772 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,320 So like the whole time he was like, I don't know what you're saying. 773 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,360 Just trusting that you're saying good things. 774 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,360 Yeah. 775 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,640 This is the person that you told to come to me for their car advice, right? 776 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Uh-huh. 777 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,640 Yeah. 778 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,160 I don't think you've ever asked how to fix anything with your car. 779 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,160 Yeah. 780 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,240 Anyways, the very roundabout, but the point being is that there's always a, there's a 781 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,440 journey to something. 782 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,440 Right. 783 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:09,840 And Israel is going through this journey. 784 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,040 The Lord's taking us through this journey and he wants to lead us to a good spot, but 785 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840 there's going to be seasons of feeling like we're in the desert. 786 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,840 Yeah. 787 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,320 When you're running into this, okay, so like first it's going to be Mara and then it's 788 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,320 going to come up. 789 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,160 Like they're going to complain about not having food, right? 790 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280 Which cause once your thirst is taken care of, what do you think about food? 791 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Right? 792 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:28,280 Yeah. 793 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:29,280 Like they're in the desert. 794 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:30,280 Right. 795 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,120 But so God actually provides for them. 796 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:33,880 They're literally get manna from heaven. 797 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,800 Like if you don't know manna actually literally means what is this? 798 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,800 That's what manna means. 799 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:39,800 It's what is this? 800 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:40,800 Because they don't know. 801 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880 I mean, it's weird as like the whole thing is what do you mean? 802 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,880 They just collected bread from the ground. 803 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,880 Yeah. 804 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,880 Right. 805 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,880 That's, that's a crazy thing. 806 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Yeah. 807 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,880 That's how I get bread. 808 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200 I just go out and just, dude, that's not bread. 809 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,200 Yeah. 810 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,200 That's not bread. 811 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,720 That's not bread. 812 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,960 And so like, well, you're to your point, don't equate easy with good. 813 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,040 They're going to have this bread that they're going to be able to eat. 814 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,000 But what do you have to actually do? 815 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,560 You got to actually collect the bread, right? 816 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,400 You're going to see the extent of my bread making skills here. 817 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,400 Okay. 818 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,400 You've got to collect it. 819 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,440 You've got to do what you do to make stuff into bread. 820 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,320 Like it bread isn't just, they didn't just collect the manna and suddenly it was bread. 821 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,120 They had to actually make it into bread. 822 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,120 Yes. 823 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,120 Every day. 824 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,120 Yes. 825 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Right. 826 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,880 And so on the sixth day that they collect for the Sabbath. 827 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,200 Right. 828 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,840 And there's this invitation is, Hey, I'm going to provide for you, but you got to come and 829 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,840 meet me. 830 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,800 It's not just like, like bread wasn't showing up in their, in their tent in the morning. 831 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,520 I also think it's interesting because God is also like, he's, he's giving them a lot 832 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,320 of chances to learn how to trust him because on the sixth day they have to collect twice 833 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,320 as much bread. 834 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,720 I do think it's actually worth noting here that it actually does say that when they go 835 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:55,520 and collect the bread, nobody had too much and nobody had too little. 836 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,880 Like so we need to credit the Israelites with actually doing what God told them to do. 837 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:59,880 Yeah. 838 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,160 Cause they're going to make mistakes, but they're also occasionally going to do it, 839 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,600 do exactly what God tells them to do. 840 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,600 Yeah. 841 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,400 And then you also need to credit God with providing what you need, not necessarily what 842 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,400 you want. 843 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,880 Oh man. 844 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,600 Hold on a second. 845 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,400 That'll preach all day to Americans. 846 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,400 Yes. 847 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,560 Yes, it will. 848 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,680 But here you see they were provided for their needs. 849 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,440 Culted and purification of water so they could drink it. 850 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,200 And then also in the provision for shade, also in the provision of manna, right? 851 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,080 They're provided for their needs. 852 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:37,040 Now what God did not do is God did not send a caravan of camels to carry them to the promised 853 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,040 land. 854 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,040 Some great alliteration. 855 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:46,200 I have one big overlying theme I was thinking about as we're going through this. 856 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:52,560 It's kind of like Israel is going through all of this, even getting to the Red Sea, 857 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,880 getting through the Red Sea, getting a time of like celebration and worship, then getting 858 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:03,520 water not great, and then it's excellent and then getting food. 859 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,400 But we know there's this undercurrent of that they're, they're kind of still thinking about 860 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,240 Egypt because it's comfortable. 861 00:36:11,240 --> 00:36:13,080 It's a bad comfortable. 862 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,920 It's a stability, but it's a bad stability. 863 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,320 But it's better than the unknown that they're headed to. 864 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:27,100 And I see that a lot, a lot of people's lives in general through any walk with the Lord. 865 00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,040 It's like, it's like, oh, this is so much better. 866 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:36,080 And we see that sometimes in younger, those young in the faith, it's like super exciting. 867 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,040 And then things get, there's a little unknown sometimes for some of them, depending on their 868 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,040 past. 869 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,800 I just think it's an interesting thing for the Israelites. 870 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,760 It's like that comfort of what was behind them is always better than that super hot 871 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,640 terrible desert in front of them. 872 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:51,640 Yeah. 873 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:56,040 So if I was to ask you how the world take it, if people became comfortable with the 874 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:03,080 unknown in their lives, if people are comfortable with the unknown. 875 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:04,080 Yeah. 876 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,080 Yeah. 877 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,940 Because so I'll preface it a little bit more. 878 00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:12,560 So like the known is comfortable for us, right? 879 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,560 We will stay in bad situations because we understand them. 880 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:16,560 Yeah. 881 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Yes. 882 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:18,560 Right. 883 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,560 So like the known is comfortable for us. 884 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:25,120 I know people who stay in horrible work situations because they know they're going to get a paycheck. 885 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,120 Right. 886 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,120 Right. 887 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:34,080 I know people who have stayed in abusive relationships because they know there's actually some stability 888 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,080 there of what they can expect, even though everything they can expect is horrible. 889 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,080 Yeah. 890 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,080 Right? 891 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,160 So those are not good situations, but they're known situations that people are comfortable 892 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,160 with. 893 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,160 Right. 894 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,200 So the idea of becoming more comfortable with the unknown, the idea of, okay, I'm going 895 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,640 to step out of this job because it's going to be healthier for me in the long run, even 896 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,040 though I don't know where my next paycheck is going to come from. 897 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,040 Right. 898 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,040 Right. 899 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,840 Or I'm going to step out of this abusive relationship knowing that potentially I'm not going to 900 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,320 have a roof over my head. 901 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,320 Right. 902 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,320 And trust the Lord in that. 903 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,320 So that's kind of what I was getting at. 904 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,440 Like, what would it be like if people became more comfortable with the unknown and essentially 905 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,960 trusting in the Lord and what he's promised of him? 906 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,960 Totally. 907 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,200 So this is actually a conversation I had with Pastor Clint. 908 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,200 Clint, not that long ago, we were having discussion with, me and Clint are in the community quite 909 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:31,960 a bit and we're involved in a lot of different organizations and athletic stuff and just 910 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,560 people in general, we just meet a lot of people in the community. 911 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,520 We're just relationship kind of people. 912 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,360 That's how we've done all ministry anyway. 913 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,520 And so his thing was the discussion we were having is like, we keep meeting these people 914 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,560 and everybody's just like, well, I don't really need, you know, my life's okay. 915 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:50,560 It's fine. 916 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,560 It's not great. 917 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:56,720 There's nothing special, but I don't need, you know, a savior in my life because, you 918 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,480 know, it's not, I don't feel terrible about anything. 919 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,560 Like I'm not, but it's like, well, do you want it to be better? 920 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:10,040 It would be nice if my life was a little better, but you know, it's not, you know, if I am 921 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,440 a Christian or I'm connected to Christianity, I mean, some people might not like, you know, 922 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,040 friends might not like me. 923 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,800 Relationships I have might take that as offensive. 924 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,820 Christianity has strong stands on things. 925 00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:24,320 Maybe I'm still working out what I feel. 926 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,360 It's a really, that's a place of comfort. 927 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,360 It's that great comfort. 928 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,040 You know, I don't know, I don't have an opinion on what the future holds or if who's holding 929 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,640 this all together, the chaos of the universe, but it's better. 930 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,000 I don't know. 931 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,800 Just being like the comfort of being American is like, cool. 932 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,800 We get money. 933 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,800 We take care of ourselves. 934 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:45,800 We can play video games. 935 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,120 We can distract ourselves from reality. 936 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,120 This is great. 937 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:54,920 Or we can connect with something greater, build, connect with the spirit of God, know 938 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:55,920 who this is. 939 00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:01,040 You know, we know us three, obviously, and those listening, I hope all understand like 940 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:07,400 how awesome it is having that faith and following through into this unknown. 941 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,280 I mean, it is. 942 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,360 And like, I'm not, I'm not so afraid of the unknown. 943 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:18,480 Like I don't like, I just do things like I, you know, that's just, I'm just going to live 944 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,080 out life and do it. 945 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,080 Well, let me, let me ask you this because you have been married a little bit longer 946 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,580 than I have, not much, but a little bit. 947 00:40:25,580 --> 00:40:27,320 Do you remember being a bachelor? 948 00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,320 Yeah. 949 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,320 By yourself? 950 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,320 Yeah. 951 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:38,400 Like there was, I had one set of sheets, you know, sometimes, you know, if, if I spilled 952 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:45,080 something on them and, and the thing is, is that like I had four or five plates, three 953 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,080 forks, right? 954 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,360 Just, I had a lot of cheese in my fridge. 955 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,720 I just, I wanted to say that. 956 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,080 I quote unquote, you can't see me doing the air pods. 957 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080 I cleaned my apartment, right? 958 00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:00,040 I've been married for closer 13 years now. 959 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,280 I have thought back to my apartment. 960 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,400 That thing was gross, right? 961 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,600 That thing was disgusting. 962 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,080 Can you imagine if I had been like, well, life is pretty good now, you know, I've got 963 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,440 a job, I've got an apartment, I've got, but I would have missed out on relationship with 964 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,360 my wife, which is not easy, but incredible, right? 965 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,600 Like being married is not easy guys. 966 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,160 Like it is, it is a, you should be working at your marriage. 967 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,240 Like on some level it's easy, but on a real level it's not because you're taking two people 968 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,720 who are not the same and you're building a life together. 969 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,360 I would have missed out on having my kids. 970 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:43,200 I can't even imagine now stepping from where I am back to where I was. 971 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,200 I think a lot of that with like the fear of the unknown, people are like, well, it's pretty 972 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,200 good. 973 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,920 And I think what the church has done incorrectly in my opinion is we've tried to make people 974 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,680 feel so bad about where they are, right? 975 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,200 That we're like, where you are sucks, you know, total depravity. 976 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,480 You're a liar. 977 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:03,920 You're a murderer. 978 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,640 You're a thief. 979 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,960 And the invitation of God is like, there's something better here. 980 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,260 There is life actually worth having. 981 00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:14,720 There is constant companionship. 982 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:18,480 You're like, as much as you can get close to God, your life is going to get better. 983 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:19,480 Right? 984 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,640 Because we've been, I've been a follower of Christ for like all my life, but really passionately 985 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,680 since my sophomore year in high school. 986 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:33,480 Every time I get closer to God, I hit a new level of life that I didn't know was possible. 987 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,800 Right? 988 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,320 The problem is we're trying to scare people into following God and it's invitational. 989 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:45,200 There's an invitation with God and he's not going to force you to come to this table because 990 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,640 he's a good father. 991 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,000 So I've worked in youth ministry a long time and I've heard a lot of youth ministry analogies. 992 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,160 So I'm going to give you one. 993 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,760 So as a youth pastor describing like what it's like to live without Jesus. 994 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:04,280 And he's like, in his words, he was like, it's like living in a house without a toilet. 995 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,680 He's like, you still got to poop somewhere. 996 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,680 Right? 997 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,920 Imagine that you are just pooping in your living room and you're okay with it. 998 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,140 And like, even like my junior high boys at the retreat were like, that's disgusting. 999 00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:19,080 You would never do that. 1000 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,360 For those of you who are listening, who are in youth ministry, you're like, it's impressive 1001 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,360 that this guy found an analogy that disgusts junior high boys. 1002 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,360 That's pretty amazing. 1003 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,360 Yeah. 1004 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,360 They were like, that's disgusting. 1005 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,560 And he's like, and you know what Jesus is doing? 1006 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,880 He's knocking at the door being like, Hey, I'll clean that up for you. 1007 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,880 Yeah. 1008 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:36,880 Right? 1009 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,780 He's not, he's not sitting there judging you. 1010 00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:42,880 He's not coming in and being like, look how disgusting this is. 1011 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080 Look how deprived you are. 1012 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,400 He's saying, Hey, I see that. 1013 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,160 Let me take care of that for you. 1014 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:57,160 The analogy ended with him saying, Hey, you can live with this, with this in your life 1015 00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,180 or he can say Jesus come in and take this from me. 1016 00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:07,480 And I think there's a, there's a, the ability to see generationally as well. 1017 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,440 So with your analogy, you're pooping in the living room and like, so that might be okay 1018 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,440 for a week. 1019 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:22,200 But what about when you're a month in or when you're seven months in three years, a decade. 1020 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,600 And so we're all in our mid thirties. 1021 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600 You less of your mid. 1022 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,120 But yeah, but there are speeds. 1023 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,800 I get to speak at your guys's funeral. 1024 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,800 There are people. 1025 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,560 Uh, well, if I, I want my ashes taken home and everybody's Tupperware. 1026 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:40,560 Yeah. 1027 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,560 Oh no. 1028 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,480 I'm going to walk up and be like, Oh look, they're moving. 1029 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,360 But I want all the Tupperware returned. 1030 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,360 So good. 1031 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,360 Sounds good. 1032 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,360 Okay. 1033 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,360 So coming back to this idea, right? 1034 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,560 So we're in our mid thirties. 1035 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,200 Like we went to high school with people or your college with people that said, Oh, my 1036 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,680 life is good a certain way. 1037 00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,680 And they never changed. 1038 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,680 Right. 1039 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,360 Here we are 10 years later, 12 years later, 20 years later. 1040 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,680 And I see the effects of 10 to 20 years of that life on people. 1041 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,680 Yeah. 1042 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,240 And in a real way they do too, because a lot of them are in therapy. 1043 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,960 They've gone to jail and now they're coming back out. 1044 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,560 And guys, I'm not, it's not just that. 1045 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,880 Like it's little things in your life too. 1046 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,320 Like generational trauma. 1047 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,800 Maybe you had between you and your parents in high school that you never dealt with. 1048 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800 Yeah. 1049 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,200 Now you don't even talk to them and now you don't even want to be a parent because it 1050 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,200 was so bad for you. 1051 00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,200 Yeah. 1052 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,200 Right. 1053 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,940 And so God gives invitation and, and in the manna, the quail, like everything that's going 1054 00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:42,480 to come after this, there's an invitation given to Israel. 1055 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,480 Yeah. 1056 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,400 Are you going to trust me or not? 1057 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,400 Sometimes they do. 1058 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,400 Yeah. 1059 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,400 Spoiler alert. 1060 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,620 A lot of times they don't. 1061 00:45:52,620 --> 00:45:55,720 And I just think it's great that God has patience with them in the middle of that because that 1062 00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:57,280 is something that we can hold onto. 1063 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,280 Yeah. 1064 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,720 God is going to have infinite patience with people who struggle to trust him. 1065 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:02,720 Yeah. 1066 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:08,920 He's going to have no patience with people who don't desire to trust him at all. 1067 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:13,480 And let alone people who say they follow him, but don't trust him. 1068 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,480 Right. 1069 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:19,680 That can be a hard pill to swallow to like self-examine yourself and be like, you know, 1070 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,440 I say I follow Jesus, but do I really, do I really trust him and what I'm doing? 1071 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,360 Do I trust him to lead in my life? 1072 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,360 Right. 1073 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:33,440 And, and one of the themes that I see throughout these chapters is Israel doing that, right? 1074 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,640 Like they have, they're, they're following God. 1075 00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,640 Right. 1076 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,000 And they go through these cycles of like, God, why'd you leave me here? 1077 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,720 And God's patient with them. 1078 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,720 He shows them who he is. 1079 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:45,160 And then like, okay, this is awesome. 1080 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,760 They start following again and they're like, oh God, why'd you leave me here? 1081 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,040 Because going, going into chapter 17, you run into the same issue with water again, 1082 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,320 where they're like, where's the water? 1083 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:56,320 Right. 1084 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,320 Where's thirsty again? 1085 00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,320 And then they're in defense. 1086 00:46:58,320 --> 00:46:59,320 They're in a desert. 1087 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,320 Right. 1088 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,320 Where's the water? 1089 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,320 Where's thirsty again? 1090 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:03,800 And God's like, okay, let's split this rock open. 1091 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:04,800 Right. 1092 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,800 And you have water. 1093 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,800 Yeah. 1094 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:13,400 And so you, you have this kind of theme that happens throughout these few chapters of yes, 1095 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,400 it's good. 1096 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,400 Oh man, I'm deprived. 1097 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,720 I need this God providing and being patient. 1098 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,160 Yes, it's good. 1099 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,200 And then continues on. 1100 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,240 There's like just a ton of up and down. 1101 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:29,920 I think that learning how to worship in the desert solves a lot of our problems. 1102 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,920 Yeah. 1103 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,120 We like to worship God on mountain tops. 1104 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,120 Yeah. 1105 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,600 But we also need to know how to worship God in valleys. 1106 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,480 I think there's two sides to this. 1107 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,480 Yeah. 1108 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,000 So when you're equating this through our spiritual lives, I, I think people can have their own 1109 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,120 perception on what the green pasture looks like. 1110 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,120 Oh, sure. 1111 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,760 You mean Psalm 23? 1112 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,760 Yeah. 1113 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,400 So like, I think people can have their own perception on that of being like, well, if 1114 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,080 everything was going good, this is what my life would look like. 1115 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,560 Right. 1116 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,020 Let's push back on that and let's just say, okay, maybe God's version of good is different 1117 00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:10,560 than your version of good. 1118 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,000 And maybe you need to get to a spot where you're okay with that. 1119 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:19,440 Maybe you're supposed to walk in blessing and prosperity and it has nothing to do with 1120 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,440 money. 1121 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,440 Yeah. 1122 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,520 And it has nothing to do with comfort. 1123 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,680 Maybe your life is supposed to be blessed so that all nations can be blessed. 1124 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:28,680 Right. 1125 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,880 I think when you're talking about worshiping in a desert, we need to understand good times 1126 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,640 and desert times from God's perspective of what those look like. 1127 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,440 And not just from our own perspective. 1128 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,000 Yeah. 1129 00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,640 Because the Lord's going to provide what you need and not necessarily what you want, but 1130 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,200 he's going to provide what you need. 1131 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:50,680 And so worshiping God in the desert, that's a skill that is very difficult. 1132 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,680 Yeah. 1133 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000 It's a skill that we need to foster though. 1134 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,000 Yeah. 1135 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,000 You know? 1136 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,000 Yeah. 1137 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,360 To say, I have nothing, but yet God, I'm going to give you everything I have. 1138 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:01,360 Right. 1139 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,800 Because those desert times are when we feel like we got nothing, nothing to offer, nothing 1140 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,180 to give. 1141 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,840 We feel like life is pointless. 1142 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:14,680 Those are the times when people tend to feel depressed, anxious, suicidal. 1143 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,680 Those are the times when that happens. 1144 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,040 And to be like, God, I have nothing, but I'm going to praise you anyways. 1145 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,440 And then God's being like, okay, let me show you what I can do with that. 1146 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,440 Yeah. 1147 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,040 It's good. 1148 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,840 So the other thing that I think about that we can pull from Torah in this is that this 1149 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,120 is prior to the giving of the law. 1150 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,120 Yeah. 1151 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:37,120 Right. 1152 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,680 They have not been given the words from God yet. 1153 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,480 So he's going to have a lot of patience with them here because he hasn't told them what 1154 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,360 he expects of them yet. 1155 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,360 Right. 1156 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:53,200 They've just been pulled out and like every piece of context they have comes from Egypt. 1157 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,200 You know? 1158 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:55,280 So if you don't have food, who do you complain to? 1159 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,280 Your leader. 1160 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,240 If you don't have water, who do you complain to? 1161 00:49:58,240 --> 00:49:59,240 Your leader. 1162 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:03,120 So everything is going to be contextualized from an Egyptian perspective at this point. 1163 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,000 Like their understanding of priests, their understanding of sacrifice, their understanding 1164 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,720 of worship, it's all going to be colored by their understanding in Egypt. 1165 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:13,240 And so we need to have patience with the Israelites as they're walking through here. 1166 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:22,040 Now, modern context of that, how many times are we trying to fire hose brand new believers 1167 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,600 with the gospel before they even know how to follow God? 1168 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:27,600 Right? 1169 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:28,600 You know what I mean? 1170 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,280 The second they say yes, we're like, okay, you got to stop swearing. 1171 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,880 You got to stop, you know, like you just give the list, right? 1172 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,060 Okay. 1173 00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:39,080 Give God a chance to actually work with them. 1174 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,080 Right? 1175 00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,080 Right? 1176 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160 Correct me if I'm wrong, Nick, but I don't think we fix people. 1177 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,640 No, we definitely do not fix people. 1178 00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:48,920 Yeah. 1179 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,000 Like that's a work of the Holy Spirit. 1180 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,120 Absolutely. 1181 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,160 And I think we partner with him for sure. 1182 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:59,320 Like we work with people, but it's actually the Holy Spirit who changes people and learning 1183 00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,400 how to be patient in the desert with people when they're learning how to hear the voice 1184 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,400 of God, bearing with them. 1185 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,400 Right? 1186 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,400 Right. 1187 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,920 Two different ways you can look at it. 1188 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,520 So like relationships take time. 1189 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,520 Yep. 1190 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,520 That's one. 1191 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,520 That's one. 1192 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,600 But from an Americanized standpoint, we don't view things in the context of relationships. 1193 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,920 We view things in the context of accomplishments and work. 1194 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:24,580 So like if you were to like give an analogy that would paint a good picture of someone 1195 00:51:24,580 --> 00:51:30,560 coming to know Jesus and then like leaning into that and growing in their faith, pretend 1196 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,360 like you switched careers. 1197 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:33,360 Uh huh. 1198 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:34,360 Right? 1199 00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,920 Are you going to know everything about your new career right away? 1200 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,160 And are you going to do that perfectly? 1201 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,960 Like I mean, Nick would, but Nick would, because Nick's like Superman, but you're just not 1202 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,920 going to know everything right away. 1203 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,920 Yeah. 1204 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,920 Right? 1205 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,600 So like when the church started working construction years and years ago, right? 1206 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,720 It started off with like, Hey, this is how you use a nail gun and this is how you don't 1207 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,180 shoot a nail through your hand. 1208 00:51:59,180 --> 00:52:00,340 Good information to know. 1209 00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:01,680 Good information to know. 1210 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,680 Yeah. 1211 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:03,680 Right? 1212 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,760 It didn't start with like, here's the intricate details of framing, finished carpentry, plumbing, 1213 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:08,760 electrical, all that. 1214 00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,680 It was, it started off with like, here's how you don't hurt yourself. 1215 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:13,680 Right. 1216 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:14,680 Right. 1217 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,000 And I think, I think we as a church could take a note from that when we're dealing with 1218 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,560 new believers, dealing with people who've just come to know Jesus. 1219 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:27,920 It's like, okay, let's step by step, just walk with them in relationship and show them 1220 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:35,120 what is good and how to draw closer to Jesus in a way that is helpful for them. 1221 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:41,240 I think sometimes in church and in church leadership, it's like, I guess I'll use the 1222 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:42,460 word new converts. 1223 00:52:42,460 --> 00:52:49,000 Those who just gain relationship with, with Jesus, it's kind of terrifying because it's 1224 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,280 should be messy and it is messy. 1225 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,280 And when you're in a church leadership position and this person is, you know, starting to 1226 00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:01,000 get into the congregation and they say things and they cause a little bit of trouble. 1227 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,320 If you don't have a board and a system and a leadership team, who's just like, we're 1228 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:10,640 cool with all of that, which, you know, our church is pretty cool with all that, like 1229 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,640 been around a while. 1230 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:17,240 Man, it can cause more issues and it can cause issues in the leadership team because it's 1231 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:20,640 like new Christians are messy. 1232 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,640 Like there is stuff they say and do or think they're doing proper or they heard a YouTube 1233 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:32,120 video and they don't know, you know, they don't have, I'll use the word discernment 1234 00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,240 of what they're saying or hearing. 1235 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,240 They're just passionate. 1236 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:40,600 It gets a little messy and it can get terrifying, especially if there's not a maturity of the 1237 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:46,520 team to handle that and patience of our brothers and sisters, the mature Christians just being 1238 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,880 like, Hey, that's, you know, 1239 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,840 my dad's been a ministry leader for a long time and one of the things that he's dealt 1240 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,360 with is he's always had a passion and a heart for like, okay, how do we reach the hard to 1241 00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,240 get to people? 1242 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:06,000 And so he one time had a mom come up to him and was like, Hey, my kid was in a youth program 1243 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,240 that your organization was leading and they heard the F word and his response was like, 1244 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:12,840 that's a great place for them to learn. 1245 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,840 Great problem. 1246 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:14,840 Yeah. 1247 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,280 That's a great place for them to learn that word. 1248 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,920 And the mom was like, what do you mean that was a great place? 1249 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,200 He's he's like, well, it's going to be dealt with in a good way here. 1250 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,720 That F word was faith, right? 1251 00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:24,720 Yes. 1252 00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:30,160 It was, it was Buffalo according to my son. 1253 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,520 This is a great place for them to learn that type of language because it's going to be 1254 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:39,480 dealt with in a healthy way versus he was like, your kid could be learning that language 1255 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,160 in a public setting where it's not going to be dealt with in a healthy way. 1256 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:48,760 For us as ministry leaders to be like, okay, how do we engage that in a good way? 1257 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,920 So we're not ostracizing people, but also at the other end of the spectrum that people 1258 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:58,920 who have been believers a long time are seeing that like, Oh, okay. 1259 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,680 They're not in the same place we are. 1260 00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,440 They haven't been saying yes to Jesus for 20 years. 1261 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,840 They've been saying yes to Jesus for 20 minutes on the flip side of that. 1262 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,160 There are people who say that they said yes to Jesus for 20 years and I promise you it's 1263 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,160 been about 20 minutes. 1264 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,160 Oh yeah. 1265 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,160 Yeah. 1266 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:15,160 Yes, I agree. 1267 00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,160 Yeah. 1268 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,840 There is a problem of adult babies in the church, right? 1269 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,320 I did not laugh into my mic. 1270 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:22,320 Yeah, there is. 1271 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,900 I mean, let's be real honest. 1272 00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:26,240 We know who they are and we love them. 1273 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,960 We want to see God do great things. 1274 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,960 They struggle with mashed potatoes. 1275 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:31,960 Right. 1276 00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,600 And when I'm talking about spiritual food, they struggle with mashed potatoes and they're 1277 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,960 like, Oh, this is deep. 1278 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,200 I was like, it's mashed potatoes, right? 1279 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:40,520 And it's like instant mashed potatoes. 1280 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,280 So they're not even lumpy, right? 1281 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,280 That's what they're struggling with. 1282 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,280 They're in infancy. 1283 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,280 They're still running around in diapers. 1284 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,480 They still don't know how to hear the voice of God. 1285 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,480 This is a problem. 1286 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,480 Yeah. 1287 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,480 Right. 1288 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,920 And so both of those things are messy. 1289 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:53,920 Yeah. 1290 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,920 Yeah. 1291 00:55:54,920 --> 00:56:00,580 So what are our big takeaways from this section is that sometimes God is going to come in 1292 00:56:00,580 --> 00:56:02,240 and he's going to deliver you. 1293 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:03,240 Yeah. 1294 00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,760 And sometimes he's going to require you to take a step to Nick's point. 1295 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,280 You have to be willing to be fearless and embracing the unknown that God's bringing 1296 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,060 you into because otherwise you're going to stay in your old bachelor pad and never move 1297 00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:16,560 into the family you're supposed to be in. 1298 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,560 Yeah. 1299 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:18,560 Right. 1300 00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:23,120 And I think one of the other takeaways is the Lord's provision isn't going to come all 1301 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,120 at once. 1302 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,120 Yeah. 1303 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,380 Like the provision happened throughout the journey. 1304 00:56:28,380 --> 00:56:32,760 So if you're thinking the Lord's going to provide everything you need all at once and 1305 00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,460 you're going to be set, that's not how it works. 1306 00:56:35,460 --> 00:56:39,440 The provision happened over time throughout the journey. 1307 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,680 And it's a good thing it did happen because if the Lord gave Israel all the food and all 1308 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,880 the water that they needed to make this journey, chances are they wouldn't have made it. 1309 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,320 Chances are they would have run out. 1310 00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,120 Or they never would have gone anywhere. 1311 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,120 Yeah. 1312 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,120 Yeah. 1313 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:55,120 All right. 1314 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,040 Well, we want to thank Nick for being with us this week. 1315 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,320 I had a few words. 1316 00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,320 Yeah, that's good. 1317 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520 We've already established in this podcast that Ben talks too much. 1318 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,720 We just want to thank you for being here. 1319 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:04,720 We really appreciate you. 1320 00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:07,440 We'll probably have you on in a future episode, chat about some things. 1321 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,120 But if you have comments, questions, please send us an email, loveandcontext at gmail.com. 1322 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,160 You can also follow us on Instagram at loveandcontext. 1323 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,400 If you find somebody who you think might benefit from this type of conversation, please feel 1324 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,600 free to share. 1325 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:23,040 If you found us somewhere other than Apple and Spotify, I'm confused, but that's where 1326 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,040 we are. 1327 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,040 Yeah. 1328 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,560 And we would love to hear from you. 1329 00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,560 Yes. 1330 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,840 Like we say these things like, hey, contact us. 1331 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,360 And I know every podcast says that at the end of it, but we would genuinely love to 1332 00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,760 hear from you, whether you like what we said or whether you didn't like what we said. 1333 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,240 We would still love to hear from you. 1334 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,200 Even if you're Spencer's sister. 1335 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:43,600 Even if you're Spencer's sister. 1336 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:44,600 Yeah. 1337 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:45,600 What about Tiffany? 1338 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,600 Yeah. 1339 00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,600 Yeah. 1340 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:48,600 What about Tiffany? 1341 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,600 I was going to say Josephine today. 1342 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:50,600 That's perfect. 1343 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:51,600 Tiffany or Josephine. 1344 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:52,600 He's got multiple sisters. 1345 00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:53,600 Daniel was closer. 1346 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:54,600 Was he? 1347 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,600 He was a little nicer. 1348 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,600 Oh, closer. 1349 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:57,600 Yeah. 1350 00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,600 All right. 1351 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800 Well, thanks for listening until next time. 1352 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,640 Thank you so much for listening today. 1353 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,160 We hope you enjoyed this podcast and we hope that you got something out of it. 1354 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:14,600 If you have any questions, please contact us at loveandcontext at gmail.com. 1355 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:18,400 You can also follow us on Instagram and message us through there. 1356 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,400 Instagram is love and context. 1357 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:27,280 Again, loveandcontext at gmail.com or Instagram are the two ways to get a hold of us if you 1358 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,440 would like. 1359 00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,560 Thank you once again. 1360 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,880 We really appreciate you being here. 1361 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:32,880 God bless. 1362 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,880 So Nick, this is a podcast. 1363 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,960 You can't shake your head. 1364 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,960 You actually have to say something. 1365 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,960 There you go. 1366 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,960 Oh man. 1367 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,960 So. 1368 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,680 Nick is adamant like cheese is not a flavor. 1369 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,440 Cheese is just it's whatever. 1370 00:58:52,440 --> 00:59:21,000 I could take it or leave it.