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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast of Unscripted Conversation with Ben and Spencer.

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Welcome to the podcast of Unscripted Conversation where Ben and Spencer talk in an unscripted

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manner.

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I always like it that when you say welcome, you're like, welcome.

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Get that podcaster voice on, welcome.

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It's like, I'm about to announce something.

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What I'm going to say is very important.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So today we're going to be in Exodus 7 through 12.

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So if you have not read those, go ahead and pause, get your Bible out and read those things

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because we're going to assume that you know what we're talking about as we come into these

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sections.

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Yes.

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And if you haven't read any of that stuff before, not sure how you got here.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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We've said that before, but we'd love that you're here.

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But if you have no idea what the Bible is about, I'm not sure how you got here, but

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glad you're here.

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Yep.

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I'd still read it because we're going to talk about it.

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Also this is right up at the top.

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I just want to go ahead and recommend once again, checking out the Baymah Podcast, Bible

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Project, Aleph Beta, Rabbi David Foreman's book, The Exodus You Almost Passed Over.

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And also he has one other one called a Parasha Companion to the Book of Exodus.

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And I would recommend that as well.

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There's just a lot of like insights in there.

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You're not going to agree with everything, but it's just got a lot of good insight.

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Yes, it does.

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All right.

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So one of the things we talked about last week is that Moses is having an identity crisis,

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right?

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He is an Israelite raised in Pharaoh's court.

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He strikes down an Egyptian overseer, but the Israelites don't really appreciate it.

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He runs away.

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He's in Midian.

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He's a shepherd.

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He is a savior.

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He's all these different things.

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And then God calls him and he's struggling with that call.

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One of the things that I find very interesting after that, and it actually takes place in

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chapter six, but we're not, we're just referencing it, is that there's a genealogy of Moses that

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takes place.

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Yep.

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Right in the middle of an identity crisis, there's a genealogy.

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I think it's important for us to understand because we're going to get into the book of

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numbers and there's a ton of genealogy things in there.

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And we have to remember when we see stuff like that, it's intentional, right?

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Like they don't just write these words down haphazardly.

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The ability to get paper and actually write or carve things in stone, all of that was

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rare.

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A lot of effort and they were very intentional with the order of which they put things down.

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Which can we also just say if they believe that it's really important to know where you

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come from, it's also important for you listener to know where you come from.

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Yes.

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Like I know my family history.

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I know who my parents are.

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I know who my grandparents are.

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I know the kind of faith that I've been raised in.

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I know what it was like for them.

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I also know the history of my nation.

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I know the history of my state.

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And there are things to know about where you come from that allow you to speak into that.

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All right, so this is your favorite part is that God sends Aaron with Moses.

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I was talking to Noah.

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That's not right.

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With Moses to go and be his mouthpiece, right?

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So they're going to go and their main thing is that they're going to go back and talk

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to Pharaoh and they have their first confrontation.

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This is a very interesting story because one, if you rewind a little bit, the only reason

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Aaron is there is because God sent Aaron to Moses, but God did so because he got angry

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God's response in his anger was, okay, let me get you somebody who can help you, who

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can make you feel more confident in what you've been called to.

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Because Moses is like, well, I just don't want to go.

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And God's like, well, that's not an option because I want to bless the whole nation.

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And so they get to the spot where they're getting ready to confront Pharaoh.

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Now they've made this journey.

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Side note, go back, look at the journey in chapter six, like go look at five and six

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and watch that journey because there are some very interesting things that happen there.

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We're not going to dive too much into that, but they get there.

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And in chapter seven, you have this part where the Lord kind of renews his command.

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And so starting in verse one, it says, then the Lord said to Moses, pay close attention

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to this, I will make you seem like a God to Pharaoh and your brother Aaron will be your

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prophet.

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Think about that for a second.

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Like rest on that for a second.

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God is saying to Moses, you are going to appear like you are a God to the most powerful man

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in the world.

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Like he's going to look at you and he's going to be in awe of how great and powerful and

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mighty you are because of who I am.

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And it's important that at this point in Egyptian culture, Pharaoh is treated like a God.

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He is considered to be a God.

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So Moses is going to go and Aaron is going to be, you know, representing him as a prophet

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and it's going to be like he's God to Pharaoh.

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So what is this actually setting up?

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It's setting up a confrontation between gods, right?

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Which to your point, it says here in the, in later, it says here in verse four, he will

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not listen being Pharaoh.

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And then I will lay my hand on Egypt and with mighty acts of judgment, I will bring out

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my divisions, my people, the Israelites and the Egyptians will know that I am the Lord.

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Hold on a second.

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Who's going to know that he's Lord?

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The Egyptians, the Egyptians.

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So the Israelites are coming down, but what are the mighty acts actually meant to do?

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They're meant to show who God is to the Egyptians.

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That's interesting because I thought this was punishment for Egypt.

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Right?

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So that's not what God says.

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In fact, elsewhere, he's going to say, I'm bringing judgment against Egypt's gods.

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Specifically Egypt's gods.

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And we're going to talk about that in just a minute.

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So I just want you to keep the father right way back in your head, but God sets up this

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whole precedent.

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He says, we're going to go and we're going to have a conversation with Pharaoh.

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We're going to ask him if you can go.

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I'm going to give you very simple instructions.

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He's not going to do it.

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Now that is God, forth telling on something that he knows is going to happen.

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But here's the thing that I love about God.

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He's always giving people the option anyways.

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Once again, the Bible doesn't start in Genesis three.

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It starts in Genesis one with a very good creation and God's confrontation with Egypt

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doesn't start in the plagues.

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It starts in Pharaoh's court where God gives an invitation for Pharaoh to trust him.

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In this part where he talks about how God will be known to the Egyptians, just a real

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easy relatable way that I have found in my life is whenever I see a miraculous thing

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that the Lord has done in my life, right?

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The Lord in one sense, we view these as plagues, but in one sense these could also be viewed

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as miracles of like, Hey, I'm sending these so that you can know who I am.

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I mean, that was like the day that you met me is like, it was a miracle in your life.

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You knew the Lord was real.

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So, you know, I don't like, I'm trying to think of which comeback to use.

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I'm just like, you got to file through them.

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We'll show up later in the episode.

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They'll come in five minutes.

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I got the one.

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And then you'd be like, what?

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So one of the things we're going to see, let's go ahead and just deal with Pharaoh in his

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Like when they first come to talk to him, like they come and they, and they address

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him and Moses and Aaron, they give the first preamble, right?

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And then there's a demonstration of God's power.

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So there's the, the withering hand and then the, and then the staffs that they turn to

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snakes, right?

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The thing I think is really important for Christians.

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The magicians also turn the staffs into snakes.

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This is something that I think we need to be really realistic about.

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There are other powers in the world besides God.

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The problem is they're an imitation of power.

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They're not the real thing because what happens to the other staffs?

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They get swallowed up.

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Yeah, they get swallowed up.

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And in fact, later the magicians like, they're going to be like, oh yeah, well we can imitate

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that.

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Oh, we can imitate that.

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Listen, what's going on here?

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We can't do.

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And, and so that's really a judgment of the gods because Pharaoh is having this conversation

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all throughout this.

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He's like, he's like, oh yeah, so you're, I can do that.

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So can my gods.

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So can I, so can I.

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It's not just the staffs, right?

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It's not just the staffs.

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It's not just the staffs.

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Like you talk about the blood in the river.

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The Pharaoh's magicians copied that in a bowl.

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Are you quoting from the Prince of Egypt by the way, because I, is that actually in a

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bowl?

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I think you're quoting from the Prince of Egypt.

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I think I am.

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I think like Prince of Egypt is in my head.

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Hold on a second.

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Is it an actual bowl?

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Nope, it's not in a bowl.

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It says that they did the same things by their secret arts.

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Oh, I just assume it's in a bowl.

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You just assume it's in a bowl because of Prince of Egypt.

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I just assume to put water in a bowl if you're going to do magic.

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I don't.

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That's an assumption on my part.

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Yeah, so they turn the entire Nile to blood, but then apparently they can dig around like

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trenches and then there's normal water.

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So that's interesting.

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Like God's command over turning the river to blood is very specific.

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Sorry, that was the throwing Spencer out of the bus there.

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But anyway, so, but they, I mean, I like the Prince of Egypt.

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But they do something and then they're like, then they imitate it.

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Then they do something and then they imitate it to the point that eventually like the magicians

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are like, Hey, we can't do this.

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But God initially just comes and has this conversation and he's like, I'm not going

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to throw.

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He's not throwing death of the firstborn at them at the beginning.

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Cause it's an invitation.

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God's not going to hit you with the whole shabam right off the bat because he's trying

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to invite you into relationship.

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And one of the things that Foreman, Rabbi David Foreman from that book we were talking

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about is going to talk about is like sometimes God hardens the heart of Pharaoh to get him

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through a situation in order to receive.

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Like it's a different word in Hebrew.

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And sometimes a Pharaoh understands exactly what God is doing and hardens his own heart.

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So there's a difference between being strengthened and being stonewalled against.

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Like those are different things.

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he's not going to.

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Right.

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So like, that's not a surprise.

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Right.

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But once again, I want to point out and we're going to stress this a lot.

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The Bible doesn't start in Genesis three.

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It starts in Genesis one.

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God leads with grace and he follows up with discipline.

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By the way, parents, just saying.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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All right.

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So one of the things that I think we is really important that we see is every plague that

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comes on Egypt is specifically tied to one of their gods.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Because you have like the God of the river, you have the God of livestock, you have the

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God of pestilence, you have the God of fire and ice, which by the way is great that God

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puts fire inside the ice.

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Right.

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And all throughout this, this thing, like God is bringing out this thing over and over

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and he's challenging all these gods, these preconceptions.

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By the way, I don't know that this is very much different than what God does with us

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today.

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Right.

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But he's going to challenge all the gods that we put in our life.

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Like how many times are we confident that we're like, man, if I could just make a little

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more money, I could just have a car that works.

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If I could just find a spouse.

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The car that works just hurts a little bit there, Ben.

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Yeah.

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Sorry about that.

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That's fine.

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A little context for everybody here.

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I have three dead cars in my driveway right now.

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They're in the process of getting fixed.

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So yeah.

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But like we put, place our trust in these things, right?

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Yeah.

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And we're like, and God like starts to take them away piece by piece.

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And he's like, no, you don't trust in that.

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Like this isn't a bad thing to have.

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Like of course in Egypt, in this case, they're serving gods.

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Like, but the river is not a bad thing to have, but worshiping the God of the river

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is a problem.

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Yeah.

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Cows are not a bad thing to have, but worshiping the God of the cows is a problem.

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Fire ice, both good things, but worshiping a God of the fire and ice and trying to appease

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them that's a problem.

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Yeah.

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It comes to a point where it's where are you trusting God for your provision?

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Right.

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All right.

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Is he all that you need?

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Right.

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This is actually a very relevant story for us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I have a friend, he was going to go on a mission strip and he had the conviction from

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the Lord, the personal conviction from the Lord that not to fundraise for this mission

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strip.

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So the Lord put this conviction on his heart of like, you're going to go and I'm going

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to provide every ounce of money, every dime that you need and you're not to ask a single

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person for it.

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So he'll tell the story.

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He's like, yeah, I was at a stoplight and I said, Lord, but in that light turned green

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and I started driving and he's like, and the Lord just shut me up until I got to the next

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stoplight, which was about 300 yards away.

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And then I was like, okay, you got this.

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And it was one of those things where he was like, I know how to raise money.

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I know how to get money for this type of stuff.

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But the Lord's like, no, I have it.

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I don't need to trust me.

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Part of us learning to understand Exodus in general, learning to understand the book of

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Exodus helps us understand what God is doing through our lives as well.

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Because a lot of times he's bringing us to Exodus in ourselves.

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Right?

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He says, don't trust in these things.

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Trust in me.

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Yeah.

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You have built a whole system metaphorically in your life where you have these things that

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you pray to or you serve that fulfill different portions of your life.

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I'm going to take all that away and let you realize that all of it actually relies on

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me.

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It all goes according to how I want it to go.

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Now you need to trust me and actually walk out of your Egypt.

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That's what this is getting around to.

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I think that sometimes we see this, we're like, oh, well, they had gods and blah, blah,

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blah.

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It's like, we have gods.

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We have gods.

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We just don't call them gods.

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There are people that I know that trust in their healthcare more than they trust in God's

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ability to heal.

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Yeah.

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Well, and there's people that I know who trust in their jobs more than they do in God's abilities

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to provide.

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Right?

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And I'm not saying quit your job and God's going to give you everything you need.

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That's not what I'm saying.

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I'm also not saying that healthcare is bad.

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Yeah.

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But those are good things.

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But the Lord's saying, I'm the one who provides that.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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Meaning that if your job goes away tomorrow, he's going to provide.

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Right.

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Well, and so we build entire systems on this.

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Right?

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So let's just talk about healthcare.

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Right?

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Because that's the example.

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And we're going to talk about trusting God in your job.

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Right?

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So one of the things with healthcare in the way that we have it set up in America.

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So if you're listening now from America, just tune us out for a second and you'd be like,

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this is a weird system.

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One of the best ways to get your healthcare is actually have it provided through work

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because it's subsidized because your work pays for part of it.

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So right now we have a whole system built on people going to college and getting a good

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job so they can have good insurance and they have good benefits and they have a good pension.

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They can have a good retirement plan.

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It's a lot of self production to get the things that you think you need.

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Where's the trust in God in that?

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It's not.

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It's not there.

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Right now.

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Now, a hundred percent, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get an education or get a good

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job or save for retirement.

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I'm not saying any of those things.

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Yeah.

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What I am saying is that when you trust in those things for your safety, when your identity

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is found in your job or your wealth, you have gods that you're serving and it's time for

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an Exodus.

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Yeah.

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And one of the things that often gets overlooked in this story is yes, Israel was enslaved.

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Right?

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Yes, they were enslaved at this point.

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Right?

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But they've been there a long time.

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Right.

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They knew the routine.

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Right.

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They knew what was going to happen.

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And the reality is even if the routine sucks, there's comfort in routine.

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Right?

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Of knowing what's going to happen.

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Like it's predictable.

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You can step into and be like, okay, I know this is horrible, but I know what's going

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to happen.

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There can actually be more fear, more anxiety, more stress and stepping out of that and not

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knowing what's going to happen.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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How many times in the desert, we're going to talk about this a couple of weeks, how

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many times in the desert they're like, you brought us out to the desert to die.

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Right.

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And then they're like, we're going to die.

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You know, like that's the thing.

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Pretty quick after.

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It's like pretty quick after.

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It's not like they had months of celebration.

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It's like they went out and then they're like, oh, wait a second.

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And they're literally going to get fed bread from heaven.

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Yeah.

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And they're going to be like, well, but we had meat in Egypt.

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Uh huh.

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Hey, you're also in slavery.

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Okay.

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So there's that.

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So like, let's just go there for just a second.

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Yeah.

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And then we'll do a deeper dive, I think in a later episode on that one.

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But go there for a second.

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And how many times has the Lord provided for you?

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And you've been like, well, but it could have been this.

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Right.

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Can we just like, can we just genuinely ask that question?

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How many times has the Lord said, Hey, here's what you need.

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And you're like, well, you could have done more.

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Like how selfish are we when we do that?

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Yeah.

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What does that do to God's heart when we do that?

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Right.

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So taking a step back, because I have so many things I want to say about that, but I'm going

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to save for our, I just wanted to do that too.

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No, it's so good.

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It's so good.

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And I think it's good because I want you guys to start thinking about that.

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Cause we're going to talk about it a couple of weeks, like really talk about it.

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And it's going to be a little uncomfortable for people that look at God and are like,

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prove it.

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You don't think you do it.

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And you do all the time.

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You're asking God to prove things that he doesn't have to prove.

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Yeah.

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We're asking our pastors to prove things that they don't have to prove.

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We ask our friends to prove things they don't have to prove.

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Some people are insecurities.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I work with a lot of people in their like late teens, early twenties.

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One of my favorite things to say to them and, and they all, every single person I've said

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it to has taken it well.

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When they like start to get on my case about something, I'm like, I have nothing to prove

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to you.

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And they're like, oh, okay.

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And then we're good.

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And it's, it's one of those things where it sounds harsh when I say it, but then they're

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like, oh, okay.

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I understand where you're coming from now and we're good.

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Now we're and we can talk and have a good conversation.

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Right.

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But when they're trying to pit me in a spot where they will, you have something to prove

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to me, I'm like, I know you misunderstand.

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I don't have anything to prove to you.

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There's other people have stuff to prove too.

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Yeah.

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So let's get back to this conversation that God is having with Pharaoh because one of

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the things that I think is really prominent in here that we miss is God is pursuing Pharaoh.

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Foreman makes a, makes a statement and you can agree with it or not.

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I don't really care.

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I care a little, but I, his statement is he believes that Moses is told to come and bring

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this presentation to Pharaoh and that if Pharaoh had granted it initially, their ability to

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go out and worship their God in the desert, as God had instructed him to do, that God

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would not have actually taken them out of Egypt because he could have turned Egypt.

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Now that is, that is whether or not you agree with that or not.

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The thing is that God is looking for, he's looking for people who are willing to engage

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him in relationship and he knows if he can, he's going to change an entire nation.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, that's what we've seen throughout history, not just the Bible.

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Yeah.

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So, but they're having this conversation and Pharaoh is not having it.

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Like most people in power who are comfortable, who like what they have, they're like, yeah,

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it's not going to happen.

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Man, if only there was something more relevant for us, right?

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Yeah.

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And one of my things that I find really interesting is Pharaoh is obsessed with God's ability

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to control things, right?

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Time.

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Like being able to say three o'clock tomorrow, the frogs are going to go away because it's

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not just that God has the power because Pharaoh has seen power.

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He's seen staffs turn to snakes, but they can't control their power, right?

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Because it doesn't originate with them.

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The ability to actually control power is something that only God does.

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Yeah.

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The ability to, as we've said back in creation, to know when, when creating, you've created

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enough and it's time to dwell when there is the flood and God knows when to stop.

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Right?

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Like that's something that only God does.

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Everybody else is like, you asked for rain and they'll send a monsoon.

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It was way too much rain.

503
00:21:06,260 --> 00:21:08,640
That does exactly what he's supposed to do.

504
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,640
Right?

505
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,640
Yeah.

506
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,000
And then Pharaoh is intrigued and he is fascinated by this.

507
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,420
Yeah.

508
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:19,840
But I think if, if, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems like Pharaoh is interested

509
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,480
in that he wonders if he can control it.

510
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,400
Yeah, I think there's a bit of that.

511
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:30,340
I don't think the text specifically says, says that, but I would, I would say there's

512
00:21:30,340 --> 00:21:37,160
this natural inclination of jealousy of, or coveting if you see something that someone

513
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,720
else can do that you can't do.

514
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:41,320
Especially if you're someone in power.

515
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,320
Yeah.

516
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,320
Right?

517
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,200
Like you see, I mean, you see this in the political world all the time and that's the

518
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,560
extent of political talk that you're going to hear, but you see that all the time.

519
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:59,520
And so I think there is an element of that where Pharaoh's like, I want what you have,

520
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,640
you know, the text doesn't directly say that.

521
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:06,320
Well, and, and so like what that fires in my brain, right?

522
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,440
Is the way that we run churches nowadays where pastors want to consolidate support or consolidate

523
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,000
power with themselves.

524
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,560
They want to, they want to micromanage everything rather than trusting God to actually work

525
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,280
through people.

526
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,500
We talked a few weeks ago about like going after people who we say we're doing a service

527
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:30,660
to God, but we're actually standing in his way.

528
00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:33,880
And we're like, Hey, we're doing God a service and we're actually doing everything, but because

529
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,320
we're trying to control who God is.

530
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,600
I was raised in the Southern Baptist church.

531
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,520
I currently go to a Pentecostal church.

532
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:48,480
So I've seen some very different opinions on gifts of the spirit that God puts in us,

533
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,480
right?

534
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:53,280
Because there's, those are, those are pretty wildly different.

535
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,860
And I think the temptation when we talk about God's power moving through us is to always

536
00:22:56,860 --> 00:22:59,860
focus on the gifts of the spirit that have outward demonstrations.

537
00:22:59,860 --> 00:23:03,480
So you want to talk about the people who are waving capes and people are falling over and

538
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,480
all these different things.

539
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,360
First of all, I've been in situations where God moves that powerfully.

540
00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,840
I said, I'm not saying that's every situation, but I've been in those situations where God

541
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,760
does move that powerfully.

542
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,080
And if you've ever been there, you know what I'm talking about.

543
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,440
And if you doubt it, you're going to be there someday and you'll be surprised.

544
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,300
But the other position is what about the gifts that God puts in us with like the word and

545
00:23:25,300 --> 00:23:30,040
in being able to preach the gospel and to evangelize and do all these other things that

546
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,960
are gifts of the spirit.

547
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,760
And on the Baptist side of things, we also had the tendency to try to control what God

548
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,640
was doing in those two.

549
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
Both of those things are a problem.

550
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,600
You don't get to control God.

551
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,000
We listen and we follow as he leads.

552
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,680
Church leaders, I hope this is an encouragement to you.

553
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:59,680
When you step back and let God lead and be like, okay, I'm going to pursue what you want

554
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,480
me to pursue.

555
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,280
It changes everything.

556
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:11,240
It makes your job a thousand times easier because you are not trying to dictate the

557
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,240
terms.

558
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,560
What if I told you you're not responsible for your church growth?

559
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,080
No, you're not.

560
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,920
You are responsible to be faithful to what God hands you.

561
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:20,920
Yes.

562
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,920
Right.

563
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,320
His job is the increase.

564
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,120
But if you're not faithful to what he's giving you, he won't increase.

565
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,120
Yeah.

566
00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,340
I remember the story about five talents and two talents and one talent.

567
00:24:31,340 --> 00:24:34,520
If you take what God gives you and you bury it in the dirt, it's going to get taken away

568
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,520
from you.

569
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,640
You got to at least put that puppy in the bank.

570
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:44,120
So my first youth pastor job, at the end of the day, there was one student I had an impact

571
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:45,720
on.

572
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,280
There was more than one student there, but a lot of them I'm like, I don't think I had

573
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:55,280
a single impact on, but there was one student that I had an impact on.

574
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,600
So if you're thinking of it in that context, who is the one or two people in your life

575
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,960
that the Lord's put there for you to have an impact on?

576
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,320
It's huge.

577
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,320
That's what it's about.

578
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,120
It's about being like, okay, Lord, you have me here for this reason.

579
00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:10,720
What am I called to do?

580
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,320
And lean into what the Lord has for you, not what you think you need to bring to the Lord.

581
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,840
It's not our job to control God.

582
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,760
It's our job to follow him.

583
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,160
So getting back to Pharaoh, Pharaoh is trying to control God.

584
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,000
He's trying to figure out how he can get what he wants.

585
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,640
And every time he makes a small concession, he's like, ah, you guys can go, but you can't

586
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,640
do this.

587
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,760
And God's like, no, that's not what we said.

588
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,480
And he's like, well, you can take this and this, but you can't do this.

589
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,800
No, that's not what he said.

590
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,760
And it gets progressively more difficult and more difficult and more difficult.

591
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,780
But then there's this point later on towards the end.

592
00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:49,760
This is right when you're coming towards the last plague.

593
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,900
It's at the end of chapter 10.

594
00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:54,680
And Pharaoh said to Moses, get out of my sight and make sure you do not appear before me

595
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,760
again.

596
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,160
The day you see my face, you will die.

597
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:02,400
I guess to this point where eventually, and Foreman covers this in his book where he's

598
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,040
diving into the Hebrew, which by the way, I just can't recommend it enough.

599
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Okay.

600
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,500
But he dives into the Hebrew and what happens at this point is Pharaoh just decides, I know

601
00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:13,960
what you're doing, God.

602
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,000
I know what you're trying to do with me and I just don't want it.

603
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,480
And God says, okay, we're going to bring it home.

604
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,440
Right.

605
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,560
And that's hard because I see a lot of people there.

606
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,560
Yeah.

607
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,560
Right.

608
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,200
Jesus makes a statement to the disciples.

609
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,200
He says, you know, you go out and you preach as like, but if people don't receive you,

610
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,760
shake the dust, move on.

611
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,520
There is a lot of times that we are still preaching to people who don't want to hear

612
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,520
what we have to say.

613
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:49,200
Now, I'm not saying that God can't eventually turn their attention and not that you shouldn't

614
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,420
still be loving and gospel bearing and all those different things that you're supposed

615
00:26:53,420 --> 00:26:57,760
to be, but there's a time to move on.

616
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,920
This is how to just walk away.

617
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,040
And it's not because you don't care.

618
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,700
It's because you do care and you're leaving them open for God to do something greater

619
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:09,440
in their midst, but it's not going to be with you.

620
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,640
You need to go to the people who are going to listen and who are going to receive what

621
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,040
God is speaking through you.

622
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,960
Pharaoh was not one of them.

623
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,440
At this point, he's like, nope, not going to do it.

624
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,960
Yeah.

625
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,360
And then there's this plague on the firstborn, the firstborn son.

626
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:34,200
Now one of the reasons I think that I don't, I have a lot of thoughts about this, but I'm

627
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,080
not going to get into the nitty gritty is I think that they covered it well with the

628
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,960
Bible project, covered this well.

629
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
I think that Baymaw covered this well, so I'm not going to get into some of the things

630
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:48,000
that are going on inside of the firstborn, but on a broad level, you need to understand

631
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:56,540
that this one is God actually coming after Pharaoh as a God, right?

632
00:27:56,540 --> 00:27:59,800
Because it's actually, you know, power of life and death.

633
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,080
Also the firstborn.

634
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,220
So Pharaoh is like supposed to be like a God in this situation, right?

635
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:10,320
And Pharaoh's children, whoever is his oldest is going to be also, you know, God at some

636
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,280
point and God is bringing judgment saying, nope, that's not the case.

637
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,600
This is a hard story.

638
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Yeah.

639
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,600
This one should be difficult.

640
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,720
There's like, there's some context things that once again, check out those resources

641
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,460
we talked about that are going to help you navigate this.

642
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:35,480
This is a hard story because there has to be a, there has to be a clear story about

643
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,960
who is God.

644
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,960
Yeah.

645
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Right.

646
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,760
But even in the midst of this, there's actually grace because what are the Israelites actually

647
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,000
instructed to do?

648
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:52,600
So the Israelites are instructed to take a one year old ram, either sheep or goat with

649
00:28:52,600 --> 00:29:00,520
no defects, butcher it and paint the doors, door frames red with the blood.

650
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,160
And is there, does it say that only Israelites are able to do this?

651
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,160
No.

652
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,160
Right.

653
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:12,720
So if you're Egypt and you've watched these nine plagues that have come before this, at

654
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,880
the very least, I might think about hedging my bets.

655
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Like I might think about it as my bets and be like, Oh, they're going to put blood on

656
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,920
the doorpost.

657
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,420
I might do that too.

658
00:29:21,420 --> 00:29:26,280
And I imagine that there was probably some Egyptians who did paint the blood on the doorpost.

659
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,280
Probably.

660
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,800
And there were probably some Israelites who didn't.

661
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,360
Because there were Egyptians who actually left with them.

662
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,660
Yeah.

663
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:39,680
And with that, with that mentality, by the way, if you see the implications of the new

664
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,840
Testament with like Jesus blood and passing through and Exodus and all these different

665
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,160
things you're supposed to, right?

666
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,920
Passover lamb, all those different things.

667
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Yeah.

668
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,040
I've been telling people very frequently that just because you went to church doesn't mean

669
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,600
we'll see you in heaven.

670
00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,640
Like there, Jesus has a lot of conversation about, didn't we cast out demons in your name?

671
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Do we perform miracles?

672
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,720
Didn't we preach?

673
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,800
When did we see you hungry?

674
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,560
When did we see you poor?

675
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,560
Yeah.

676
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320
You know, and Jesus is like, get away from me.

677
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,960
I don't even know you.

678
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:18,040
Like you're calling my name and I'm like, dude, who?

679
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,800
New phone, who this?

680
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,800
Right?

681
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,800
And.

682
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,200
It's like, I kept asking for your number and you never gave it to me.

683
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Right.

684
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,400
I think there's a lot of people like we're going to really struggle.

685
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,640
No, I don't think actually the people who like, it's not really going to be a struggle,

686
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,640
but I think that we struggle with the idea that there's going to be people in heaven

687
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,920
that you don't anticipate being there.

688
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Right?

689
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,200
Because they trust in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

690
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,200
Right?

691
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,960
So just like an Egyptian would trust in that blood to actually have the spirit pass over.

692
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:48,960
Right?

693
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Some people trust in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ, even if they're not necessarily a

694
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,680
member of the community.

695
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,480
But they do trust the faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

696
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,820
And in those people, they're still going to find themselves in the kingdom of heaven.

697
00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,400
And there are going to be other people who are part of the community who don't actually

698
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
trust the faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

699
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,160
They don't actually trust the blood of the lamb and they never actually paint their board

700
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,760
or posts because they're like, this is ludicrous.

701
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,400
And guys, I'm just concerned because there are a lot of people who I see following a

702
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,200
religion and not a relationship.

703
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:30,600
They got in the community, but they have not dipped the reeds in the blood.

704
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,240
It's so hard to watch because like when you're sitting on the outside watching it, you're

705
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,880
like, man, God has so much for you.

706
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:45,400
And you are sitting there squabbling about something that doesn't matter.

707
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,080
God has so much for you.

708
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:53,200
And if you just stepped back and said yes to what he has for you, if you just step back,

709
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:59,840
saw what you're doing and leaned into what he has for you, it would change yourself.

710
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:05,140
It would change the community around you and everybody you come in contact with.

711
00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:12,960
So in the plagues and this confrontation between Pharaoh and Moses and God, what are our big

712
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:13,960
takeaways?

713
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,680
I think one of the big ones is God wants everyone.

714
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,280
And he's going to be relentless in that pursuit.

715
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,400
He is.

716
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:28,240
He's not going to hold back on coming after you.

717
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,400
He's going to do it lovingly.

718
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,680
He's going to be gentle about it.

719
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,920
I can guarantee you he's going to do those two things.

720
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Outside of that, I'm not going to put him in a box.

721
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,520
I can guarantee you he's going to be loving and he's going to be gentle towards you.

722
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,920
So there's the bridge of that song, Reckless Love, which is very controversial, but I'm

723
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,420
going to quote from anyways, where it says, there's no shadow.

724
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:50,680
You won't light up mountain.

725
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,560
You will climb up coming after me.

726
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,560
There's no wall.

727
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,560
You won't kick down.

728
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Lie.

729
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:56,560
You won't tear down coming after me.

730
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,240
Now, one of the things that I really felt convicted by God one time when I was singing

731
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:07,960
that song, he says, yeah, by the way, those walls and those lies are yours.

732
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,180
Because sometimes like Pharaoh, we decide to harden our heart.

733
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:15,480
Even though we see we're like, God, I see what you're doing, but I'm going to make

734
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,480
my heart like stone.

735
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Yeah.

736
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:19,480
Yeah.

737
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:26,240
I think that's a huge takeaway from this is that Lord wants everybody.

738
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,120
And he is going to come after you.

739
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,480
If you're sitting there listening to this and you're like, man, I just don't know if

740
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,600
this is true or if this is real.

741
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:38,520
If God loves me, whatnot, whatever your excuse is, God's coming after you.

742
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:45,560
Yeah, if he wanted Pharaoh, the guy who literally was enslaving an entire people group, he wants

743
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:46,560
you.

744
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,560
Right.

745
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,560
Yeah.

746
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:49,560
People widely uncomfortable with us.

747
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Okay.

748
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,560
I'm going to throw some names out there.

749
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,560
Adolf Hitler, Mussolini.

750
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What would have happened if they repented and turned to God?

751
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,240
I'm not saying the consequences of their sin would have gone away.

752
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,240
No, no.

753
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,240
Okay.

754
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Right.

755
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,240
Please hear us very clearly.

756
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,040
The sin would not go away, but God wants everyone.

757
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And if you're uncomfortable with that, then I don't think you quite understand the mission

758
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
of God.

759
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Well, and there's actually an equivalent of this in the Bible, which is Nebuchadnezzar.

760
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Yeah.

761
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,200
Not a good dude.

762
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,200
Not a good dude.

763
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Like if you actually look at what the Babylonians did when they conquered nations and enslaved

764
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,960
people, it was horrific.

765
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,680
And Nebuchadnezzar was like the war conquering, I'm going to take over the world, Babylonian.

766
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,200
And at the end of Daniel chapter four, do you know what Nebuchadnezzar says about God?

767
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,280
He says that he worships him.

768
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,280
Yeah.

769
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,160
God was pursuing the most evil person in the world and he turned to, and that evil person

770
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,160
turned to God.

771
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,160
It's not even the first time he did it.

772
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,160
Look at Exodus.

773
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Right?

774
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,160
Mm-hmm.

775
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160
God is a pursuing God.

776
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,920
He wants a relationship with his people.

777
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,920
He also knows when to say enough and to shut down his kids when they're being bad.

778
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Yeah.

779
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,360
So again, one of the things that I think is really important for us to understand is we

780
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think the world works a certain way and God is not building a fence.

781
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He is raising sons and daughters.

782
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:12,920
Yeah.

783
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If you don't get that reference and you didn't listen to the episode a few weeks ago.

784
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,920
It just means you got more podcasting to do.

785
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,680
Yeah, and more podcasting to do.

786
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480
But God is looking at the world way different than we are.

787
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,880
So takeaway one is that God has a real emphasis on his pursuit of people.

788
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,880
Yeah.

789
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,320
People that you may not like.

790
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,160
And you got to get real comfortable with the fact that you're going to be uncomfortable

791
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,240
with the people God wants in his kingdom.

792
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:34,240
Yeah.

793
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,480
It's all of us.

794
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,320
The good ones, the bad ones, let's be honest, most of them are all bad, including us.

795
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Yeah.

796
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,240
Takeaway number two, God isn't bringing judgment on Egypt.

797
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:49,640
He's bringing judgment on the things that Egypt trusts in.

798
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,080
By the way, he's going to do the same thing in our life.

799
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,320
He's not bringing judgment on us.

800
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,760
By the way, Paul actually mentioned this.

801
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,480
He says, we do not fight flesh and blood.

802
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Church, hear that.

803
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,160
Our war is with rulers and principalities and the forces of evil.

804
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,400
People are not your battle.

805
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,800
Your battle is with the spiritual.

806
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,780
Your battle is not with people.

807
00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:26,440
It is with the forces of darkness because people matter to God and you're supposed to

808
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,000
love people, but we're going to fight the devil.

809
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,000
All too often what we do is we fight the forces of darkness by fighting people.

810
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400
Or we try to make people the devil so that we can fight them.

811
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Yeah.

812
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,880
And it's like, no, no, you want to fight the forces of darkness.

813
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,200
Don't get me wrong.

814
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:53,280
But these people are people whom God loves, whom he created, who he wants back.

815
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,800
I'm so excited about when we get to Leviticus and we talk about the temple.

816
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:57,800
It's going to be so much fun.

817
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,920
By the way, this sentence never uttered before in the history of podcasting or life.

818
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,760
I'm so excited to talk about Leviticus.

819
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680
Oh, dude.

820
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,200
But there's so much good stuff in Leviticus.

821
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,120
We're going to talk about the temple and it's actually at the back end of Exodus as well.

822
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,040
What it actually means to take on the forces of darkness by being the temple of the Holy

823
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,040
Spirit.

824
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,040
Right?

825
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,040
It's going to be awesome.

826
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,040
Yeah.

827
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,760
So that's his first takeaway is God is reliance on his pursuit.

828
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,220
The second is he's going to place judgment on the things that you place trust in that

829
00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:32,800
aren't him.

830
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,200
The third thing I would say is that God isn't afraid to curse the things around you to get

831
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200
your attention.

832
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Yeah.

833
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,960
And this actually harkens back to Genesis.

834
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
God didn't curse Adam, but he cursed the ground.

835
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,400
Right?

836
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,920
And then that was supposed to point him back to God.

837
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Right.

838
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,920
Okay.

839
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,760
So there might be things in your life that the Lord's like, no, this isn't good.

840
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,560
And all of a sudden you might see that just starting to fall apart.

841
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Right.

842
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,600
And the idea is that that's going to point you back to God, point you back to who God

843
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:02,600
is.

844
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,600
Right?

845
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Don't be surprised if as you're following God, you're like, man, this is tough.

846
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,640
This thing is falling apart.

847
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,960
This thing that I took comfort in.

848
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Yeah.

849
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,520
It's because God's saying, I don't want you to take comfort in that.

850
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,040
I want you to take comfort in me.

851
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,440
I don't want you to take comfort in your money.

852
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,520
I want you to take comfort in me.

853
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,120
I don't want you to take comfort in your career.

854
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,880
I want you to take comfort in me.

855
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:26,900
I don't want you to take comfort in your education, in your family, in the house that you're living

856
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:27,900
in.

857
00:38:27,900 --> 00:38:31,240
I want you to take comfort in me.

858
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,540
And so I think that's a takeaway that's happening here in Egypt, too, is God is saying like,

859
00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:40,680
he's showing that He's so much bigger than these Egyptian gods and He's showing that

860
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:47,960
he can actually defeat them essentially curse them for the sake of the

861
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:55,480
Egyptians seen God for who he is and seeing a God who wants them. Right. By the

862
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,600
way if you're if you're struggling with this idea of God pursuing Egypt Genesis

863
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,500
12 I'm gonna bless you so that all nations will be blessed. Guess where

864
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:10,660
Egypt is? Part of all nations. Wait it is? Yeah. True story. God is gonna

865
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:14,920
put Israel at the crossroads of the nations and one of those nations is

866
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,800
gonna be Egypt. Egypt is down there. Like people still go to Egypt for different

867
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,360
things. God is putting a story on display which we are going to partner with to

868
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:32,080
restore a lost world back to him. That didn't change when Jesus came. No. All

869
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,120
that happened is the temple went from being a Jerusalem to being everywhere we

870
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,840
go. I'm gonna stop before I get into more temple talk because Leviticus is

871
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,760
coming guys and you're gonna be excited about it when we get there because it's

872
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:47,180
a cool book. And let's just let's just preempt a little bit I guess a little bit.

873
00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:50,360
I'm gonna say it's a little tongue-in-cheek but don't don't stop

874
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,280
listening to us when we get to Leviticus. No it's a great book. Let's keep going.

875
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,240
Like it's it's a great book there's a lot of good things in there that we are

876
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:02,200
and we often skip over it as a church because we're like okay this is boring

877
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,280
this doesn't relate to us today but it does it totally does. Also if you were

878
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,160
looking for things that are going to be perhaps controversial in this podcast

879
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,240
it's a lot of it's gonna come up in Leviticus. I think we're heavy

880
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,600
hitting right now. Yes. We're getting warmed up. God is gonna teach his people

881
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,240
how to be a kingdom of priests. We're gonna talk about this next week because

882
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,200
we're gonna be talking about the Exodus and what God is doing with his people.

883
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,440
And this book of Leviticus is actually instructing them how to be priests. How to

884
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,240
be a stronger healthier more ethical ecumenical people to put a different

885
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:43,080
story on display. Yeah. Hey guys that's the ten plagues. That's God's conversation

886
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:47,160
with Pharaoh. That's God's pursuit of Pharaoh. Next we're gonna be talking

887
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,360
about the actual Exodus like what happens when they leave when they come

888
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
to the Red Sea all these different things. But you gotta understand that

889
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,520
before the plagues happen God issues an invitation. Yeah. And we're gonna say

890
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,680
this one more time. Where does the Bible actually start? Genesis 1. So stop

891
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,600
starting it in Genesis 3. If you read the Bible as God is mad with humanity

892
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:14,760
you're always gonna start in Genesis 3. But it starts in Genesis 1. And our

893
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:19,720
invitation to you is to start your story in Genesis 1 as well. Yeah. And next week

894
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:23,720
I believe we're going to have our first guest. So thank you for guys for joining

895
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:27,640
us. Please you know check take a look at these spots. Understanding Exodus is

896
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
gonna be really important especially when we get into the Gospels later.

897
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Mm-hmm. Because a lot of what like the Gospels are doing is they're positioning

898
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,880
Jesus as a second Moses. And if you don't understand the first Moses you're not

899
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,000
gonna understand the illustrations that Jesus is actually taking on. Yeah. Thank

900
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:49,400
you guys for listening and until next time you know where to find us. Thank you

901
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,440
so much for listening today. We hope you enjoyed this podcast and we hope that

902
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,880
you got something out of it. If you have any questions please contact us at

903
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:05,640
loveandcontext at gmail.com. You can also follow us on Instagram and message us

904
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:12,040
through there. Instagram is loveandcontext. Again loveandcontext.gmail.com

905
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,160
or Instagram are the two ways to get a hold of us if you would like.

906
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,600
Thank you once again. We really appreciate you being here. God bless.

907
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,680
This is our mac and cheese break. Mac and cheese break. Hey do you still put

908
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,480
ketchup on everything? Are you quoting from the Prince of Egypt by the way

909
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,160
because I hope is it actually in a bowl? I don't know. I think you're quoting

910
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,960
from the Prince of Egypt. I think I am. Yeah. I think like Prince of Egypt is in my head.

911
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Yeah I think so too. Hold on a second. Is this an actual bowl? I mean. No it's not in a bowl.

912
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,640
What is it? What's it in? Yeah it's it says that they did the same things by their secret arts.

913
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,880
Right? Oh. I just assume it's in a bowl. You just assume it's in a bowl because of the Prince of Egypt.

914
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,180
I just assume you put water in a bowl if you're gonna do magic. I don't. Yeah. That's an

915
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:02,260
assumption on my part. All right. What about where did I finish? Oh so yeah okay.

916
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:08,800
We're back. This is the part of the podcast where Ben makes a random noise

917
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into the mic that I have to edit out. Just like that.

