1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,760 Welcome to the Love in Context podcast, an unscripted conversation with Ben and Spencer. 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:11,080 So glad that you could join us today, whether that's from your car, office, home, church, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,180 or wherever you're at. 4 00:00:13,180 --> 00:00:18,800 If you want to contact us, you can email us at loveincontext.gmail.com. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Also follow us on Instagram at loveincontext. 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,120 Welcome to the Love in Context podcast, a conversation with Ben and Spencer that may 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,360 or may not be unscripted. 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,360 It's definitely unscripted. 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:33,960 It very much is, yes. 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,040 Either that or we're terrible at reading our lines. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,040 One of the two. 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:42,000 I would make a horrible actor because they would hand me a script and I'd be like, no. 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Yeah, no thank you. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,320 No thank you. 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,120 I actually, I think my son is going to be a thespian of sorts. 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Okay. 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,200 Because he, so he really likes Pokemon, right? 18 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,200 Yeah. 19 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,920 And so he'll be like, can we play pretend Pokemon? 20 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,240 And so he's like, throw a ball. 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,240 So I throw a ball at him. 22 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,520 He goes, he goes, ah, you didn't catch me. 23 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,520 I busted out. 24 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,960 But it's just so dramatic, right? 25 00:00:59,960 --> 00:01:00,960 That's so great. 26 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,960 Yeah. 27 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,320 So once again, we are here with a new episode. 28 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:05,560 We are now in Exodus. 29 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:06,560 We're out of Genesis. 30 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,120 If you remember at the end of Genesis, God's people are in Egypt because Joseph has risen 31 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,560 to power there and he brought his people there, brought his family there because there was 32 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,560 a famine in the land. 33 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,800 So now they're in Egypt, but there's going to be a huge time jump between now and then. 34 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:20,800 Yeah. 35 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,160 But before we get into that, I just want to throw a resource out there for you guys because 36 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,120 we're not going to be heavy into the intellectual side. 37 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,920 We're going to talk about context, but we're also going to refer you to the intellectual 38 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,300 side because we want to have a conversation about how do we apply this Christian living. 39 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:38,920 So Rabbi David Foreman, alaphbeta.org, great resource, but also he wrote a book called 40 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,140 The Exodus You Almost Passed Over, which is great. 41 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:43,140 Check out that. 42 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:44,140 It's really good. 43 00:01:44,140 --> 00:01:45,140 Yeah. 44 00:01:45,140 --> 00:01:48,520 We're only going to spend eight episodes in Exodus. 45 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,000 So if you're looking for a deeper dive into Exodus, check out Bama Discipleship Bible 46 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,080 Project has some stuff on it too. 47 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,280 So check those out. 48 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,520 We are doing a flyover. 49 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,920 We're going to hit some key points, but we're not going to be doing the deep intellectual 50 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,200 dive into it. 51 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Right. 52 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,760 So with that being said, let's jump in. 53 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,120 We are in Exodus 1. 54 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,400 I was at Genesis 1 and I was like, whoops, not that one. 55 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,400 Nope, nope. 56 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:14,400 Not that one at all. 57 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Yeah. 58 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,240 So and we're only covering one chapter today. 59 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:23,680 So if you have not read Exodus 1, I'd encourage you to pause the podcast unless you're driving 60 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:29,040 and then go read Genesis 1 or go open your Bible, have it open while we are walking through 61 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,040 this. 62 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,040 I said Genesis 1. 63 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,040 I meant Exodus 1. 64 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Go read Exodus 1. 65 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:34,040 It's too late. 66 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:35,040 You said it. 67 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,040 It's committed to the ethernet. 68 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:37,040 It's committed to the ethernet. 69 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Go read Exodus 1 and or just have it open, study it as we talk about it. 70 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,840 By the way, anybody who's listening, I do know I said ethernet and that's a kind of 71 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,840 cable, not the internet. 72 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,360 So I'm actually stating to you my joke and just inviting you into it. 73 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,960 So there's a lot that happens here in Exodus 1. 74 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:58,800 I think we often skim over this passage and just think that like, okay, it's just kind 75 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,400 of setting the stage for the birth of Moses, all that, which it is, but there is actually 76 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,240 a ton of things that happens here. 77 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:11,420 A couple of things that are really interesting is there's actually two passages of time. 78 00:03:11,420 --> 00:03:17,900 So your first passage of time is Israel growing into a nation. 79 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:23,920 So Israel goes from being however many people were with Jacob at the time, couple hundred, 80 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:28,360 couple thousand to hundreds of thousands. 81 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,360 That takes a lot of time. 82 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:37,120 For those of you unaware, it takes at least 10 months to grow a child and birth. 83 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:38,480 So it was like, no, it takes nine months. 84 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,480 No, it takes 10. 85 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,840 Go back to biology. 86 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,560 And so that takes a lot of time. 87 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,960 It was at that point that Egypt was like, all right, we have a problem, we're going 88 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 to enslave these people. 89 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:56,240 And then they were enslaved for a second passage of time for 400 years. 90 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,000 And so when you're looking at this passage, you're actually looking at, I don't know exact 91 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,080 numbers, but anywhere from six to 800 years, maybe longer. 92 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,400 So let's just deal with that first group of time. 93 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,540 So Joseph and family are in Egypt. 94 00:04:14,540 --> 00:04:18,120 Now we're going to fast forward to the time that they're dead, but they're not in slavery 95 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,120 yet. 96 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,960 So it says in verse eight, it says, then a new king to whom Joseph meant nothing. 97 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,840 Now let's just stop there. 98 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:29,160 That's weird, right? 99 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Like can you imagine, so America has been around 200 plus years, right? 100 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,360 Can you imagine if we were talking and we're like, then arose a generation that knew not 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,800 who Abraham Lincoln was. 102 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Like that's weird, right? 103 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:43,360 Yeah. 104 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,280 Like, cause we're literally talking like a hundred, 150 years ago, you know, like of 105 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:48,280 history. 106 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,280 Yeah. 107 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:52,840 I mean, this isn't 600 years yet because they're going to be in captivity for a while. 108 00:04:52,840 --> 00:04:55,280 So this, this is weird. 109 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,440 It's almost like this, this king is willingly ignorant of history. 110 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,440 By the way, if anybody wants to know, willingly ignorant is slang for dumb on purpose. 111 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,640 So the king, he makes a statement says, look, the Israelites have come, become far too numerous 112 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,640 for us. 113 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,600 Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous. 114 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:19,880 And if war breaks out, we'll join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country. 115 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,600 Okay. 116 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,640 I was having a conversation with you about how this really strikes me as conversation 117 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,120 that takes place in the garden. 118 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,120 Right? 119 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,040 So in Genesis, the serpent comes and has this conversation with Eve where he talks about, 120 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,920 Hey, did God really say, and Hey, you know, what about this? 121 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,840 I think you're being held out on it's a position of fear and manipulation. 122 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,840 Right? 123 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:43,840 Yeah. 124 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:47,440 And this king, he comes here and he says, look at the Israelites around us. 125 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,100 He doesn't understand that the only reason Egypt exists as a nation at this point is 126 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:53,320 because Joseph saved them. 127 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,080 Joseph interpreted the dream and Joseph saved them. 128 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:03,960 He says, he says, if we don't deal with them and they become more numerous, and if war breaks 129 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,880 out and they join our enemies and they fight against us and they leave the country, like 130 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,720 this is like a perfect storm of a lot of things happening. 131 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:13,720 Yeah. 132 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:18,920 Like this is like borderline, like paranoia, fear. 133 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:24,560 Well the interesting things here on this is that the Hebrews are so numerous that the 134 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,360 powerhouse nation of the day is worried. 135 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,840 Like the powerhouse nation, this is like the world's supreme power right now is Egypt. 136 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:35,840 Right. 137 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:42,000 Hebrews at this time, they are so numerous, so numerous that the powerhouse nation is 138 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,720 like, okay, we got to put them in check. 139 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Otherwise we're going to lose our status. 140 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:47,920 Right. 141 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,520 Well, and the whole position of fear, right? 142 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,560 Like he's dealing from a position of fear because what else could he have done? 143 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Yeah. 144 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,200 He's dealing from a position of fear, like a partnership with Israel, right? 145 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,560 Welcome them into the nation because all these people are living here. 146 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,080 This is their home as well, and it's going to be their home for another 400 years. 147 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:12,800 I mean, I'll be at, after a while, not want to be their home because slavery is not great. 148 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,480 I've never been a slave, but I'm assuming it's not great. 149 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:16,480 Haven't heard good things about it. 150 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,480 Yeah, not good things about it. 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,480 Yeah. 152 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,440 Especially when you have to do things like build pyramids, right? 153 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Not great. 154 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,840 But there's a position of fear, and I was like, rather than actually finding a way to 155 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,840 work with people. 156 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,460 Now, what happened at the end of Genesis? 157 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:32,880 They have all this grain, they have all this wealth, they have all this stuff that's production, 158 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,900 and Egypt actually uses that to parlay into the growth of the kingdom, but also to unite 159 00:07:37,900 --> 00:07:39,800 a lot of nations into themselves. 160 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:40,800 Yeah. 161 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,120 But this guy doesn't know Joseph. 162 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,720 So what does he do? 163 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:52,160 He falls right back to the thing that we always do, which is fear, which can we just pause 164 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:57,720 for a second and talk about learning from our history? 165 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,720 It's so important. 166 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,720 Right. 167 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,120 Like, yes on a national level, but on a personal level. 168 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Yeah. 169 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,400 So you have siblings. 170 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:07,400 Mm-hmm. 171 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,400 Okay. 172 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,400 And you're the youngest, right? 173 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,400 I am. 174 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,400 Yeah. 175 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,480 So did you ever watch your older siblings and be like, hey, that was a stupid thing they 176 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,720 did and then avoid doing that? 177 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Okay. 178 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:19,720 So, yes. 179 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Sometimes. 180 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,600 You said that with hesitation. 181 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,760 Well, the thing is, boys tend to be just not smart in general. 182 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:28,760 It's true. 183 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,760 I'm not going to resent that. 184 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:30,760 Yeah. 185 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,160 So even though I saw some of the stuff my brothers did, I definitely walked into the 186 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,560 exact same pitfalls. 187 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:39,400 And I may have eluded capture a little bit longer. 188 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:44,480 I know for me growing up, I watched what my older siblings did, and I would analyze, okay, 189 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,640 what is good, what is bad, and then I would try to do what was good and not do what was 190 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:49,640 bad. 191 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,920 I was a guy, and I just still did some stupid stuff. 192 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,740 That's just how it went. 193 00:08:54,740 --> 00:08:59,240 I would look at my siblings, and I would try to emulate what was good and not emulate what 194 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:00,240 was bad. 195 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,240 Right. 196 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:07,040 Learn from not just my history, but their history as well. 197 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,360 And that's kind of the point that comes up in a lot of things. 198 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,640 In a Christian church, when you're building a church program or a different thing, people 199 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,780 have tried to do a lot of different things. 200 00:09:15,780 --> 00:09:19,440 One of my favorite things that I've heard is said to you, right? 201 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,080 Because you work in youth ministry, right? 202 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,520 Back in my day, we used to. 203 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,040 It's like nails on a chalkboard. 204 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,820 That phrase right there. 205 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:35,600 Now first of all, you're fully aware of a lot of things I used to do. 206 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,440 I think a better position for that conversation, by the way, if anybody's listening and they're 207 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,560 like, oh man, I really want to be able to share these things, you say something that 208 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:48,120 was really helpful for me growing up in the church. 209 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,920 That's a different position. 210 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:56,320 One of the reasons you don't do things a certain way is because you know history. 211 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,180 And you also have seen it played out over and over again. 212 00:10:00,180 --> 00:10:03,080 And so it's like, people are like, oh, hey, we should go and do this. 213 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,720 And you're like, it doesn't work. 214 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,000 And the other reason for that is times change. 215 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,960 What students relate to changes. 216 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,960 When I was in middle school, high school, you didn't have social media. 217 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,480 You didn't have, you couldn't go watch TikToks all day. 218 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,360 People weren't listening to podcasts. 219 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,560 They were starting to come out, but they weren't very popular. 220 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:28,320 And so yeah, times change. 221 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:33,200 So a lot of things I experienced in high school ministry growing up doesn't actually relate 222 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,200 well. 223 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,200 Right. 224 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,600 I think the tendency when you're listening to what we just said is you're saying, oh, 225 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,840 I thought you said knowing your history is important. 226 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,720 It is. 227 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,560 Because you need to know what things worked and what things didn't. 228 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:50,200 In the case of this guy in Egypt, he clearly doesn't understand that God had his hand on 229 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,200 the Israelites. 230 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,200 Right. 231 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,400 He just saved an entire nation. 232 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,680 The guy who saved him was an Israelite who was brought into Egypt. 233 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,040 This is what happened. 234 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,640 But then he sees it as a challenge to his power. 235 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,040 But here's the funny thing. 236 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,640 He only has power because Israel came. 237 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Right. 238 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,040 Like, that's the only reason he has power anyways. 239 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Otherwise, Egypt might not be the nation that it is at this point. 240 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,320 And don't go too hard on Pharaoh because what's our natural tendency when we step into a place 241 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,320 of fear? 242 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:23,320 Right. 243 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,880 It's to step in and try to control the situation. 244 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,080 It's not, okay, so this isn't going my way. 245 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,240 Let me put my hands on it and mold it into what I want it to be so I have control. 246 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Right. 247 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:35,920 I agree. 248 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,960 And so like in one sense, Pharaoh is just doing what is natural to him. 249 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:40,960 Right. 250 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,680 And falling into his natural tendencies of, okay, I'm scared. 251 00:11:44,680 --> 00:11:45,680 I'm fearful. 252 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:46,680 I'm going to try to control the situation. 253 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,400 And he tries to control it by enslaving an entire nation. 254 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Right. 255 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,680 I agree with you completely because my next thought was, how often do we see this in the 256 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:56,680 church? 257 00:11:56,680 --> 00:11:57,680 Oh, yeah. 258 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,680 Okay. 259 00:11:58,680 --> 00:12:02,000 So one of the things I was having a conversation with our worship pastor about, right, and 260 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,280 I said, I said, hey, things are going really well. 261 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,280 Here's the deal. 262 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,800 We need somebody in their 20s. 263 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,600 And he's like, oh, yeah, we do. 264 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Now, if you're asking me why I said that is because most of the worship team is in their 265 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,640 30s or 40s. 266 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,640 Okay. 267 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,040 And while we're still a relatively young team, we recognize that we're not going to be around 268 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,040 forever. 269 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,200 But what I have seen in the church, churches that I've been a part of and other churches 270 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,640 that I haven't been a part of, is they don't plan for the next generation. 271 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,440 We tend to think spur of the moment rather than generationally. 272 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Well, we don't plan for the next generation and we wonder why the next generation falls 273 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:39,760 off the map. 274 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Correct. 275 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:46,640 And, you know, and what I'm trying to do in my generation is learn from our past and make 276 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,080 some changes, probably going to make some mistakes along the way. 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,600 And we're going to want to take note of those and do it differently in the future. 278 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:59,080 But I was having this conversation because thinking generationally, right, we don't know 279 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,760 when Jesus is coming back. 280 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,920 It could be literally while we're recording this episode, right? 281 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,720 We don't, he didn't ask me for the timetable. 282 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,520 So we don't know when Jesus is going to come back. 283 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:14,320 So we always live like Jesus could come back any given day, right? 284 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,440 But we also live like Jesus isn't going to come back for a thousand years. 285 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,520 And it's our job to continue his rule and reign every place we go in the world. 286 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,600 And so when I see Pharaoh, when I see what's going on with Pharaoh, I see a man who's controlled 287 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,640 by fear and that is a natural response. 288 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,640 Guess what? 289 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,760 You're not natural anymore. 290 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,720 You're filled with the Holy Spirit and you're unable to act differently. 291 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,040 We want to call that out of us because the world is going to say someone is threatening 292 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,320 my power and God says, Jesus says, I'm going to go get on a cross and that's going to be 293 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,360 my coronation event. 294 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,000 Yeah. 295 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,560 And good question to ask about the Israelites at this point is why were they enslaved? 296 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:58,720 I don't know about you, but this was often skimmed over when I was in church. 297 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,480 They're always like, okay, and then a new king came into power and they were enslaved. 298 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,640 So why were they enslaved? 299 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,200 And the reality is, is because they became so numerous. 300 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:14,880 So what they were doing is they were actually multiplying like the Lord had commanded them 301 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:16,240 to do. 302 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,200 They were actually becoming a nation. 303 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,080 Like saying there's another, there's another Genesis reference there. 304 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,080 Oh yeah. 305 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:23,080 Oh yeah. 306 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:24,080 Crazy. 307 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,080 Yeah. 308 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,080 So they were actually multiplying. 309 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,760 They were becoming a nation just like the Lord had commanded them to do. 310 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:34,680 And so then they get thrown into slavery because this king gets fearful, takes matters into 311 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:35,960 his own hand. 312 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:42,000 And then you look at this in verse 12, it says, but the more the Egyptians oppressed 313 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:49,720 them, the more the Israelites multiplied and spread and the more alarmed the Egyptians 314 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:50,720 became. 315 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:51,720 Yeah. 316 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,320 So my translation says the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites. 317 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,320 Yeah. 318 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,380 So you're like, Hey, we're going to stop them from multiplying. 319 00:14:59,380 --> 00:15:02,280 So we're going to put oppression on them so they can't rise up against us. 320 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,000 And then like the exact same thing you're trying to stop. 321 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Yeah. 322 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,480 They're like jokes on you. 323 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Yeah. 324 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,160 That's the Spencer translation of the Bible. 325 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:11,160 And yeah. 326 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:16,360 So you, you have this, you have this happening where the Israelites become oppressed. 327 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:17,440 They keep multiplying. 328 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,240 So then the Egyptians decided that they're going to oppress them more. 329 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,180 So that still doesn't work. 330 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:26,160 So the king of Egypt actually comes to the Hebrew midwives. 331 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,420 Now first of all, I want to point out that they're actually both named in this. 332 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:32,420 Why is that significant? 333 00:15:32,420 --> 00:15:35,440 Because women typically aren't named in the Bible. 334 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,440 This is the only place they show up and they're significant enough that they're named. 335 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,800 It's not common for women's names to actually be in the Bible. 336 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,440 And I believe that these are actually placed here in order to honor these women because 337 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:50,000 they stand up for what's right in the middle of absolute chaos and destruction. 338 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Yeah. 339 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Yeah. 340 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,720 So they, the king of Egypt says comes and he's like, Hey, listen, if you get a baby 341 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,640 boy, just kill him. 342 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,680 If baby girl, you know, dilate the dream pool, cause you'll have more women and then they'll 343 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,360 marry him with the Egyptian eventually. 344 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,960 Like the idea is that you no longer have Egyptians and Israelites, you have one nation. 345 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:06,960 Right? 346 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,960 Yeah. 347 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Shrewd planning, terrible, terrible thing. 348 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Right? 349 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,000 I mean, I think, I think we can all agree. 350 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,080 I think we can all agree that killing baby boys underneath at the age of two years old 351 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:19,080 is a bad thing. 352 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,080 Yeah, absolutely. 353 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Right? 354 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,340 I think we can all agree on that. 355 00:16:25,340 --> 00:16:26,800 But who are these midwives? 356 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,400 Because they're like, no, we're not going to do that. 357 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:31,400 Right? 358 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,320 And where have you seen God show up in the story yet? 359 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:40,520 So you have these midwives at this point, you're at least two, 300 years into the mix. 360 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:41,680 Right? 361 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,040 So they have like, presumably you haven't seen God show up in the story for two, 300 362 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,040 years. 363 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,640 There's been, there's been a time of silence from the Lord and these midwives are like, 364 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,400 no, we still fear him. 365 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,400 Right. 366 00:16:53,400 --> 00:17:00,120 And obviously in this context, fear is not, I'm afraid, but I have a appreciation of reverence. 367 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,880 Appreciation, reverence. 368 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:05,240 And I do think the fear is appropriate in some circumstance, but it's not afraid like 369 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,480 I'm afraid of the dark. 370 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,480 No. 371 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,480 It's more fear. 372 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,600 Like when I see a moose, I don't want to go stand next to it because those things are 373 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,600 dangerous. 374 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,600 Right? 375 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:15,600 But they look cool. 376 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,200 You're just reminding everybody we live in Alaska. 377 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,200 It's the same thing. 378 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,600 Like we could be, we could be in Canada. 379 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:20,600 We could be. 380 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,600 Yeah. 381 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,600 I mean, same thing. 382 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,200 Like when I'm out and about and I see a bear, my demeanor changes. 383 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:26,200 Yeah. 384 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,200 Right. 385 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:33,200 I'm not necessarily like pee my pants scared of it, but it's more like I'm much more cautious, 386 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,320 much more aware of everything that's going on. 387 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:36,320 Yeah. 388 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,320 That kind of reminds me of a C.S. Lewis talking in The Chronicles of Narnia where they were 389 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,040 as line is the personification of God. 390 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,040 Right. 391 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:45,680 And they say, well, is he a safe line? 392 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,600 Well, of course he's not safe, but he is good. 393 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Yeah. 394 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:51,600 Right. 395 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:52,600 Yeah. 396 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,600 Absolutely. 397 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,600 He's a wild lion. 398 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,920 He does what he's going to do, but he is good. 399 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:03,200 So the midwives fear God and they're like, nope, God is way more powerful than King of 400 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,200 Egypt. 401 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,200 Right. 402 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,200 Yeah. 403 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:07,800 I love this conversation that comes back because he goes back and he's like, Hey, why aren't 404 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,280 you doing what you're supposed to be doing? 405 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:15,760 And they're like, man, the, the, uh, Israelite women are just so stout that when they give 406 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,680 birth, they get, they, they give birth and the baby pop out before the midwives even 407 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,680 get there. 408 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:21,680 Mm hmm. 409 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,240 If they're walking in a field and it's already there before we can get there. 410 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,440 I don't know what to tell you, Pharaoh, King of Egypt. 411 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Sorry. 412 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,280 He's not the Pharaoh yet. 413 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,360 This is interesting because this is like, you can tell that this is blatantly not true. 414 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:35,360 Right. 415 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,360 Right. 416 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:39,640 You can, you can look at this part of the story and be like, eh, that seems a little 417 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,920 farfetched, right? 418 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,120 But that's what they went with. 419 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:51,880 And where is, where is God, where do you see God chastising them for, for telling this 420 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,880 lie? 421 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,880 Well, not even, not even chastising. 422 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,440 It says in the next verse, God was kind to the midwives and the people increased and 423 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:58,960 became even more numerous. 424 00:18:58,960 --> 00:18:59,960 Yeah. 425 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,800 And because the midwives feared God, he gave them families of their own. 426 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,800 Yeah. 427 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Which is a thing of blessing. 428 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Right. 429 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,800 Yeah. 430 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:10,280 Now this is interesting by the way. 431 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,000 So it's been King of Egypt, King of Egypt. 432 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,640 Look what happens in verse 22. 433 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,680 Then Pharaoh. 434 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Did we have a person shift or is this the same guy? 435 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Mm hmm. 436 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,880 Like that, I legitimately don't know. 437 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:22,880 Yeah. 438 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,560 If you're listening who has done some research and whatever, feel free to shoot us an email. 439 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,080 We're not going to get stuck on that because I don't think that there's a good reason to 440 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,200 sit here and just nail that down. 441 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,200 But if you have something to share, we might just throw it off for your podcast. 442 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,200 Yeah. 443 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,720 And on the, on the different types of passages of time that happened in this story, they 444 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,240 never specify how many years, when or where that it's important to note that there is 445 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,240 a passage of time. 446 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,760 So you're aware of that, but let's not get hung up on how many years they spent where, 447 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,240 how many years in captivity or what Pharaoh was in place at what time. 448 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,480 Because if they were in captivity for 400 years, presumably more than one King or Pharaoh 449 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,200 ruled during that time. 450 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,680 So that's actually where we're going to be done for the verses today because Pharaoh 451 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,760 goes as disruling. 452 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:12,000 He says that every newborn boy is going to get chucked into the Nile and he's going to 453 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,000 let the girls live. 454 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Yeah. 455 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,320 Which by the way, spoiler alert for the next episode, they do technically put Moses in 456 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,320 the Nile. 457 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,320 Mm hmm. 458 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,320 And also put him in a basket. 459 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,120 You know what I mean? 460 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,880 So I just, I like, they do actually obey Pharaoh in this. 461 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Those are my type of people where they're like, I'm going to do what you said, but I 462 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,160 am going to stretch it to the utmost. 463 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,120 So I want, I want to come back to this thing on, on the midwives. 464 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,840 Let's just be, say being flirtatious with the truth. 465 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,840 Okay. 466 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:48,520 Because I think sometimes we have this tendency in Christian culture, right? 467 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:53,960 There is right, wrong and anything strays it, but there is actually ambiguity. 468 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,080 Okay. 469 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:58,640 Before you start writing me an email, I want to talk to you about World War II. 470 00:20:58,640 --> 00:20:59,640 Okay. 471 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,360 So there's a, there's a lady by the name of Cory Ten Boon, wrote a book called The Hiding 472 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:04,360 Place. 473 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:08,940 So Cory Ten Boon writes about her experience in World War II living in the Netherlands. 474 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:11,920 So first of all, if you haven't read that book, you should. 475 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,680 It is a very difficult read in parts, very difficult, but it's dealing with something 476 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:23,160 very similar to what we're dealing with in Egypt as well. 477 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Like where you're having subrogation and eradication, right? 478 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,160 Just horrific events that happened on a national level. 479 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:35,120 But in Cory Ten Boon's book, if you haven't read it, so what the deal with The Hiding 480 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,920 Place is, is that her dad had a watch shop that where they would, they would work on 481 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,580 like timepieces because it wasn't digital watches. 482 00:21:41,580 --> 00:21:47,180 It was like gears and things that had to turn and work in a very specific way. 483 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:53,400 And they had a space that they had that was hidden from a public view and that had to 484 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,800 be accessed certain ways and was difficult to actually find. 485 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:03,280 What they would do is they actually took Jews who were hiding from the Nazis and they would 486 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,580 put them into the hiding place. 487 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:09,300 And so whenever a patrol would come by looking for them, everybody would hide and they would 488 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:10,800 run business as normal. 489 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,200 And they were in the process of getting as many people out of the Netherlands that they 490 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,100 could, right? 491 00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:20,360 The goal was to actually be part of like an underground type of railroad to get people 492 00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:21,360 out. 493 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:25,080 And Cory Ten Boon was partnering with this. 494 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,320 So here's my question here. 495 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:34,200 So they frequently came in and they would ask her, are there any Jews on the premises? 496 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,120 Now if you want to be legalistic, what's the answer? 497 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:39,120 Yes. 498 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,120 Right. 499 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:48,760 And by the way, if that's where you fall on how you interpret the law, guess who also 500 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,120 agreed with that? 501 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:55,640 The Nazis, because they told her, you claim to follow Jesus and he says to tell the truth. 502 00:22:55,640 --> 00:23:00,140 So if you lie to people who are in authority, and he quotes from Paul where it says to respect 503 00:23:00,140 --> 00:23:04,200 the authorities and all these different things, he knows the scriptures and he uses them to 504 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:10,640 try to manipulate them into revealing people that they are going to exterminate. 505 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,080 So here's the thought that we just need to talk about. 506 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Is there more weight on part of the law than others? 507 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,840 Because this is a very common rabbinic debate in the time of Jesus. 508 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,840 Yeah. 509 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:26,840 Right? 510 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:31,200 In fact, one of the things that Jesus actually does is he comments on a conversation between 511 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,400 two rabbis named Shemai and Hillel and he agrees with one of them. 512 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:42,480 So an expert in the law comes to Jesus and he says, what are the two greatest commandments? 513 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,920 And Jesus says, what do you think they are? 514 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,280 He says, love the Lord your God with our heart, so many in strength and love your neighbor 515 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,280 as yourself. 516 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,840 Jesus says, you've answered correctly. 517 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,120 Right? 518 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:54,560 So what Jesus has just said is he says, everything by which you interpret everything in the law 519 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,880 and prophets hangs on these two commands, loving God and loving others. 520 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:03,920 Now that's only significant if you know that Shemai says that it is observed through loving 521 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,960 God, everybody who's about that, and obeying the Sabbath. 522 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,080 It's love for God and obedience to the rules. 523 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,200 Right? 524 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,040 Jesus says it's about how you love God and how you love the people around you. 525 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,240 So are there things in the Christian walk that are of greater weight than others? 526 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:30,520 I think there are personally, and you guys can write to me and disagree with that. 527 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,520 That's totally fine. 528 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,360 But I think there are things that hold a greater weight than others. 529 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:41,040 Like I find if I'm operating outside of loving God and loving people, but still going through 530 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:49,160 the motions that I need to actually back up and focus on, okay, God, how's my relationship 531 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,880 with you and how am I loving the community around me? 532 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,880 Well, right. 533 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,840 And if I'm not doing those two things, we have an issue. 534 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,320 And one of the verses that keeps coming to my mind lately is Proverbs 11 25. 535 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,400 What talks about is it's like, hey, you're actually refreshed when you bless others. 536 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:12,920 When you help refresh other people, it actually refreshes your soul as well. 537 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:13,920 Right? 538 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 It's almost like we're made for community. 539 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,360 Yeah. 540 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,400 It's almost like we're made not to do this alone. 541 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,400 Yeah. 542 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,040 It's almost like when man tried to do it by himself, God says, that's no good. 543 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,320 You need a netzer connecto. 544 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,680 You need a suitable helper. 545 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,980 So what I don't want you to walk away from is being like, okay, well, that means it's 546 00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:34,980 okay to lie. 547 00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:37,400 No, no, no, no, no, no. 548 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:42,620 If somebody walks into a doctor with a knife in their side and headaches, you need to address 549 00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:44,920 the knife in the side first. 550 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,940 That doesn't mean the headaches aren't important. 551 00:25:46,940 --> 00:25:51,200 It just means that there's currently a knife sitting in their side and that needs to be 552 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,200 dealt with. 553 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,200 Yeah. 554 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:54,200 Yeah. 555 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,200 Right? 556 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,120 And so I think that we often have to walk in nuance with this. 557 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:03,800 I think that it's important to be morally correct to walk the law out, to embody the 558 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,240 Torah as Jesus did. 559 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,300 Yeah. 560 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:12,240 But at the same time, we need to always emphasize the greater points of the law. 561 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Yeah. 562 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,720 Now this comes into when we take people who come from the outside and they're trying to 563 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,320 find Jesus. 564 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,280 How often are we trying to address their symptom rather than their cause? 565 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,280 Yeah. 566 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,280 Yeah. 567 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,280 Right? 568 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,080 We do that all the time if we're real. 569 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Right? 570 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,160 I think one of the shameful guys as we have in ministry, and I want to tread lightly on 571 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,040 this one, but we talk about, okay, we want to have a safe place. 572 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,400 And I'm like, no, we want to have a transformational place. 573 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,400 Correct. 574 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,360 There's nothing safe about following Jesus. 575 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:49,240 The things he's going to call you to, the things that he's going to ask of you are going 576 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,600 to lead you to places where you're like, this might be a community I shouldn't, where you 577 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,520 feel like you shouldn't step foot in. 578 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,440 This might be a person that you're like, I don't know if I should have a conversation 579 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,440 with this person. 580 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,440 Right? 581 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,440 Okay. 582 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,240 Jesus wants us to step into a place of transformation. 583 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240 He doesn't want us to step into a place of comfort. 584 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,400 And in fact, he often pushes us outside of our place of comfort so that we can step into 585 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,360 that place of transformation. 586 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:20,480 That actually reminds me of something that I wrote a while ago on my blog when I was 587 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:21,480 talking. 588 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320 It's actually Exodus 2, which is really funny because we're going to be talking about that 589 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,320 soon. 590 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,520 But I talked about that being a bearer of the image of God is difficult. 591 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,760 Right? 592 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,200 Being partners with God requires setting aside condemnation. 593 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,840 Living by the Spirit means that we have to live by forgiveness for all people, especially 594 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,480 those ones we don't like. 595 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,520 Right? 596 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Being a part of the Exodus means that sometimes you have to leave your home of 400, 600 years 597 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,440 to go into the desert for a long time. 598 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,640 Right? 599 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,520 And it's not meant to discourage people because it's actually meant to encourage you. 600 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,520 Right? 601 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,520 The road is very difficult, but it's sweet and it's rewarding. 602 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280 Life with God in the kingdom is amazing. 603 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,800 But it's transformational to your point. 604 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,760 It's not safe. 605 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800 And we do people a disservice when we tell them that it's going to be safe because it's 606 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:12,800 not. 607 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,960 Jesus got crucified on a cross. 608 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,720 Paul got his head chopped off. 609 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,040 Peter got crucified upside down. 610 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,600 John got tossed in boiling oil and then exiled to an island. 611 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,600 Right? 612 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000 Like these people did not have great lives. 613 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000 No. 614 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,160 Now that's not to say that God wasn't with them every step of the way. 615 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,800 Right? 616 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,920 And I don't even know that that's something that God's going to call you to because those 617 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,920 are the apostles. 618 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,960 There was a lot of people who followed God in that day, followed Jesus in that day, who 619 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,960 had very prosperous lives. 620 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,740 The thing is we don't get to choose what the call is. 621 00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:47,040 We don't get to choose the assignment. 622 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Yeah. 623 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040 The question is, are you going to follow the call that the Lord's put on your life in the 624 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,640 good times and the bad? 625 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:53,640 Yeah. 626 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,200 Because so often we'll do it in the good times and when the bad times roll around, it'll 627 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280 be like, my life is horrible. 628 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,280 And don't get me wrong. 629 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,480 There's like, we can lament to the Lord. 630 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,040 I want to be clear on that. 631 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Right? 632 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:08,800 But you look at Israel, when the good times were there, what were they doing? 633 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,480 They were multiplying. 634 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,920 As we say later, they're doing not great stuff. 635 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:14,920 Yeah. 636 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Later. 637 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,920 Okay. 638 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,920 In Exodus 1. 639 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,920 Exodus 1. 640 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,920 Yeah. 641 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,920 Yeah. 642 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,920 They're multiplying and then they go under oppression. 643 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,920 What do they do? 644 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,920 They multiply. 645 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,920 They multiply. 646 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,400 They're fulfilling the call that God's put on their life in both times, in the good and 647 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,400 the bad. 648 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Right. 649 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,520 And we're seeing this example in this moment of what we should be doing. 650 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,280 And so the question comes is when it comes to our life with Jesus and our life with Christ, 651 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,400 are we being faithful to the call he's given us in the good times and the bad? 652 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,400 Yeah. 653 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,880 Well, and with that, you're going to have a different call than the person next to you. 654 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:50,880 Yeah. 655 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,880 Right? 656 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,500 And so if I can encourage, I actually really want to throw this out here for our listeners 657 00:29:55,500 --> 00:29:57,200 that are in North America. 658 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,200 Okay? 659 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,320 We live in a very wealthy nation. 660 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Yes. 661 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:02,320 Absurdly wealthy. 662 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,440 Our poor are loaded. 663 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,560 Right? 664 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,240 It becomes very, very important that your money doesn't rule you. 665 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Yeah. 666 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,240 That you live with generosity. 667 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,280 Yeah. 668 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,400 What I am not telling you is that you can't have a nice house, have a nice car, have nice 669 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,400 stuff. 670 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,640 Please don't hear that. 671 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:25,040 But your money is a tool for the kingdom of God, not for you to build your own kingdom. 672 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Right? 673 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:32,600 So, like to come back to a couple of weeks ago, are you going to build a name for yourself, 674 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,520 build a tower for yourself, or are you going to build into God's kingdom? 675 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,280 Are you going to scatter, multiply, build, subdue? 676 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,220 This is the call of the Torah and ultimately the call of the gospel. 677 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:49,480 Because instead of it being a kingdom of priests, which is what's going to come up in Exodus 678 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,120 later, God is now going to open it up to the entire world. 679 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,480 And now we're going to be a chosen people, a royal priesthood, to quote 1 Peter. 680 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,960 We're going to be spiritual stones being constructed into the Holy Temple, the dwelling place of 681 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,400 the Holy Spirit, which we're going to talk about in Leviticus. 682 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,320 Like this is going to be our call. 683 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,400 So with what you've been given, what are you going to do to for the kingdom? 684 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:16,960 If you're great with money, good for the glory of God, that it benefits those who listen, 685 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,800 that the kingdom grows. 686 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,020 If you are terrible with money, but you're good with service, good. 687 00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:28,000 For the benefit of the kingdom, for the glorification of God, that it benefits those who are around. 688 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,600 It doesn't matter what you are good at, go and do it for the kingdom. 689 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,600 Right? 690 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,600 Yeah. 691 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,440 And don't try to make other people look like you. 692 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,960 Church, just stop it. 693 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Right. 694 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,960 Stop that. 695 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Like it does nobody any favors whatsoever. 696 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,080 If I was to tell Ben that his life needed to look exactly like mine, I would make Ben 697 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,080 miserable. 698 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,080 Right. 699 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,440 If Ben was to tell me that my life was to look exactly like his, he'd probably make 700 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,220 my life miserable. 701 00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:58,800 And so don't, don't do that. 702 00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,800 Right. 703 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,240 Instead, learn where each other's giftings are and be like, okay, how can we build up 704 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,160 the kingdom in our community together with the gifts we have? 705 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,800 And I feel like there's like a really clear connection back here to the midwives. 706 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,180 Right? 707 00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:17,560 They stand in the middle of chaos. 708 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,560 Yeah. 709 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:24,280 And there's somebody powerful breathing down their neck and they look at it and they go, 710 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,000 no, they're like, pass, pass. 711 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,360 We're going to do what God has us doing, regardless of how that falls back on us. 712 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,040 Now God bless them in the middle of that, but I can't believe that if Pharaoh had decided 713 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,040 to come out and kill all of them, they would have budged one iota. 714 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,040 That's not who they were. 715 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,200 They say, we're going to follow God. 716 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:51,200 We are a stubborn and stiff necked people and we're going to follow God because it's 717 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,120 better that we honor him than that we would have our life. 718 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Yeah. 719 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,640 By the way, that's a theme you see with people throughout the old Testament. 720 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,680 Right. 721 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:09,880 I wish that we as a church could be that stubborn with our love for one another, our unwillingness 722 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,340 to take up arms against each other. 723 00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:16,600 To be like, hey, I know we disagree, but that disagreement's petty and we're going to set 724 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,160 it aside and we're going to love each other and love the community well. 725 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,560 So we talked about learning our history, right? 726 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,560 I read a book called Church History in Plain English, Bruce Shelley. 727 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,840 And I thought it was a well handling of like church history, but you know what the reoccurring 728 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,000 theme that came to me from like Jesus on? 729 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,200 We're having the same fights they had a thousand years ago. 730 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,200 Yeah. 731 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,200 Nothing has changed. 732 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,800 For all of our enlightenment and our growth and our understanding of the Hebrew language, 733 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,400 we still haven't recaptured that fire of love God and love others that happened in the first 734 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,120 century. 735 00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,360 And when we say nothing's changed, I just want to preface this a little bit. 736 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,480 You might be like, well, arguments have changed a little bit. 737 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,040 There might be some different topics we're handling. 738 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,240 I was like, yeah, but the heart hasn't changed. 739 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,240 Correct. 740 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,520 The heart of I want to be right so that you are wrong is still there. 741 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:18,040 And then we hold this up in the guise of, well, I'm just standing up for truth. 742 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaking truth and love might be one of the most grating phrases on my ears. 743 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,400 You're speaking something. 744 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,680 If you say you're speaking truth and love at the end of like ripping someone down for 745 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,320 15 minutes and you're like, oh, but that was just me speaking truth and love. 746 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,920 No, it wasn't. 747 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,680 There's better ways to do that. 748 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Let's go. 749 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,680 Let's just, I'm just gonna dive into this. 750 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,680 You ready? 751 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,680 Let's do it. 752 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,680 All right. 753 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,440 So I can, I've heard this argument so recently. 754 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Well, Jesus confronted the religious leaders of the day, the people who were in charge 755 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,320 and he had words for them and blah, blah, blah. 756 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,120 Guess what? 757 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,920 That's the churches of today. 758 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,160 That's where the religious leaders of the day and his harsh words. 759 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:14,560 First of all, he engaged them in their rhetoric and frequently he didn't seek them out. 760 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,000 They sought him out and he had a conversation with them and he's like, nope, you're wrong. 761 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 This is what Torah actually says. 762 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,080 And he engaged them on their text, their rituals, their traditions and show them that God was 763 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,560 a God, not who they thought he was. 764 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,240 And do you know what Jesus did after he engaged them? 765 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,840 Many times he went and had a meal with them. 766 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,840 Yeah. 767 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,880 Like he would go sit at their table. 768 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,840 He would enjoy their fellowship. 769 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,880 This is the invitation. 770 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,800 Like understanding Jesus in his context matters too. 771 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,080 Now we've been going through Torah and we're going to keep going through Torah and some 772 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,280 of, some of what we're saying, like we're going to be jumping forward to the gospels 773 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,720 frequently because that's what the reality we're living in. 774 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:05,200 But these themes that start in Exodus and Genesis and Leviticus, they continue all throughout 775 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,100 the Bible because Jesus was Torah made flesh. 776 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,640 You have to understand that. 777 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,280 Like that is what John says in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, the word 778 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,880 was God, he was with God in the beginning. 779 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,680 Every Jew who hears that knows he's saying Torah. 780 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,360 And then they said that the word tabernacled among us. 781 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,940 Right. 782 00:36:27,940 --> 00:36:37,040 And they go, whoa, hold on a second there, John, what do you mean Torah was made flesh? 783 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,040 I'm laughing over here because if you were to hear that about somebody in the Jewish 784 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,960 day and age, she would be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we got to back up. 785 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,000 You're making some bold claims right now. 786 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Yeah. 787 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Yeah. 788 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,300 So when Jesus is Torah made flesh, right? 789 00:36:54,300 --> 00:37:01,120 He is the summation of the law and the prophets and Jesus goes and puts it on display. 790 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,700 And our tendency, when we see Jesus is fulfilling the law, we say, oh, he did it. 791 00:37:05,700 --> 00:37:06,700 So now we don't have to. 792 00:37:06,700 --> 00:37:08,520 No, no, no. 793 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,120 Fulfill means he showed you what it was always supposed to look like. 794 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,160 Torah was always supposed to look like the incarnate Christ in person. 795 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,280 Do you hear me? 796 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,720 Like that's what Jew observant, Torah observant people were supposed to look like in their 797 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:24,720 society. 798 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,040 They were supposed to look like Jesus. 799 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,240 They set captives free. 800 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,080 They healed the people who were sick. 801 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,920 They did not look like everybody else. 802 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,040 They put on display a God who is completely different than all the other nations. 803 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,280 We've already seen that in Genesis. 804 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,280 We're going to see it in Exodus. 805 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,280 They just cloned you in. 806 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,720 You're going to see in Leviticus too. 807 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,680 God is different than you think. 808 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:49,560 But even in our day, all of us are looking at God like he's like he's an angry God. 809 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,560 And as I postulated a few weeks ago, maybe we're just interpreting through an angry lens 810 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,240 and maybe Jesus knows what he's talking about. 811 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,320 Yeah. 812 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,800 Just maybe, just maybe, just maybe kind of throw some sarcasm in here. 813 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:03,800 Yeah. 814 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,240 Maybe Jesus knows what he's talking about here. 815 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,240 Spoiler alert. 816 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,240 He does. 817 00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:09,240 Yeah. 818 00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:10,240 He's real, real good. 819 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:11,240 Yeah. 820 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,680 I just want to come back to the idea of are you serving God in the good times and the 821 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:15,680 bad times? 822 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:21,320 Like one of the practices I've been trying to put into my life and the Lord's given me 823 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,320 plenty of opportunities lately to put this practice into in my life. 824 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,760 But I'm like, you know, I'm going to start thanking God for his provision before his 825 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,440 provision comes because it's coming. 826 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,680 He's always provided for me. 827 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,280 Not always how I've wanted him to or how I thought he was going to, but he is always 828 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,440 provided. 829 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,200 And so why am I waiting until after he proves himself to be like, oh, by the way, thank 830 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,200 you God. 831 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:52,000 It's like, no, I'm going to actually step up and I'm going to be like, right, Lord, 832 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,320 I know this is the need. 833 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,720 I know you're going to provide. 834 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,920 Thank you for providing that. 835 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,800 Even though it hasn't come yet. 836 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,800 All right. 837 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,320 The Israelites, they have a promise over their life still. 838 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:04,520 Right. 839 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,440 They have a promise of that the Lord's going to make them a great nation and he's doing 840 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,840 that in their midst. 841 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:11,840 Right. 842 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,640 But that promise hasn't fully come to fulfillment yet. 843 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,160 That's still in works. 844 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,280 They're not in the land that they're supposed to be in. 845 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,280 Okay. 846 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:28,240 But in that time of good and in that time of bad, they're still fulfilling the call 847 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,320 that the Lord's put on their lives. 848 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,320 Absolutely. 849 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,280 And, and don't mistake. 850 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,160 And I want you can look at you interpret this two ways. 851 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,920 There's a general calling. 852 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,460 There's actually a book called Calling and Clarity by Doug. 853 00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:42,560 That's definitely his name. 854 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:43,560 Yeah. 855 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,560 His name is Doug. 856 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,760 Like Colossus or something like that. 857 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,480 So there's this book called Calling and Clarity and we'll link it. 858 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,640 We'll link it in the description for you guys. 859 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,040 But it, he talks about the different types of calling that they're finding found in the 860 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,040 Bible. 861 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,520 And one of them he talks about is general calling. 862 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,160 Like we all have this call to be more Christlike, to love our neighbors, to love God with everything 863 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,360 we have. 864 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,960 But at the same time, the Lord's actually placed specific giftings and callings in your 865 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,320 own personal life. 866 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,320 Right. 867 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040 And you're supposed to lean into that. 868 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,040 Right. 869 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,000 Not everybody, not everybody in the story is a midwife. 870 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,920 Right. 871 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,840 You're supposed to lean into that calling and that gifting that the Lord's given you. 872 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:32,120 Because when you lean into that and you serve your community with that gift, that's when 873 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,840 communities are changed. 874 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,120 When you're loving God, loving people and leaning into who he's called you to be. 875 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,760 Love it. 876 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:45,600 So our big takeaways from this story getting in here, you got to know your history. 877 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,040 You got to know the pitfalls. 878 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,600 You got to know the successes. 879 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,640 You definitely should know whose shoulders you're standing on as you look towards legacy. 880 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,200 Like all of you who are of faith, that your parents were of faith, you do realize that 881 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,200 you get to stand on their shoulders. 882 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,680 And hopefully our kids get to stand on our shoulders and go further than we ever could. 883 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,240 Like that's the hope. 884 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,360 That's what I hope is true for my sons. 885 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,240 And I hope for their sons that they go even further than my kids go. 886 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,640 Because it's about forwarding the kingdom of God. 887 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,360 And the other side of it is this idea of the midwives. 888 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,360 In the middle of the chaos, are you going to embrace the call of God in your life and 889 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,240 respect God more than man? 890 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,960 Like in the middle of the chaos, who are you going to be? 891 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,840 Are you going to hold to the weight of your portions of law or are you going to fall to 892 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,080 the opinions of men? 893 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,160 So I can tell you what I'm going to do, or at least what I'm going to try to do, is to 894 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:47,520 always listen to the voice of God and love people first and then deal with everything 895 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,760 else subsequent of that. 896 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,360 So if I'm going to deal with somebody's moral failing, I'm going to love them first. 897 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,160 If I'm going to deal with somebody's anger, I'm going to love them first. 898 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,840 If I'm going to deal with somebody's unbelief, I'm going to love them first. 899 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,720 Because that's the position of Jesus. 900 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,060 It doesn't mean that we're not going to address the other issues. 901 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:09,520 But I'm going to lead with love and introduce them to who the Father is. 902 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,520 Amen. 903 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,520 Amen. 904 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,720 Well, thank you guys for listening today. 905 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,600 You can find us on Instagram at loveincontext. 906 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,920 You can email us, loveincontext.gmail.com. 907 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,320 You can try to send up some smoke signals. 908 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,320 Probably won't see them. 909 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,320 But you can try. 910 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,320 Yeah, I seriously doubt we'll see them. 911 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,320 You can certainly try though. 912 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:29,560 If you 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