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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast of Unscripted Conversation with Ben and Spence.

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All right, man. So it is time for us to jump into the next one. The last episode, I don't know,

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with your editing, we had like an hour and 15 minutes worth of stuff. So, and I don't know

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what the episode ended up being because obviously you haven't edited yet. 46 minutes and 22 seconds.

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Yeah, I don't think that's going to be true, but good luck with that. So if you're listening to

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that episode and you're like, Ben talked a lot, it's because Ben talked a lot. I did talk a lot,

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so I apologize for that. All right. So this episode, we're going to talk about Isaac, Jacob,

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and Joseph, because we really want to try to just step through the rest of Genesis and start talking

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about the Exodus. So Isaac is an interesting character, right? One of the passages in the

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New Testament where I see Jesus actually referencing Isaac is in the story about the grain that falls

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and dies, right? And it yields in 50 and a hundred times. So there's references to all those intervals

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of growth, except there's only one place that it talks about a hundred. That's actually in the story

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of Isaac. So once again, if you haven't checked it out and I don't know why you'd still be listening

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to us and not checked out the Baymaw podcast and the Bible project, right? They've got great videos

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on YouTube. You can check them out. Baymaw has some great content here. They're going to have some

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really cool stuff on Rebecca and Isaac. I'm going to jump right into something later that I think is

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really cool that we see in the life of Isaac. In a time of famine, right? Isaac goes and sows seed.

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He sows food and he reaps a hundred fold. So he trusts in God and he goes and sows and famine

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and reaps a hundred times what he sowed. That's cool. Like let's talk about the church, right?

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Let's talk about our Christian lives. How often do we think, oh, everything is going wrong. It's

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time to actually dig in. But that's exactly what we're supposed to do, right? So like, okay, I'm

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already talking way too much, but let's talk about the stock market. Okay. This is something I was

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thinking about the other day. Now people who know the adage, they say, buy low, sell high, right?

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Except what do people actually do? They buy high, sell low and lose a lot of money. All the time,

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right? Because they're covered by their emotions. But when everything is crashing, they're like,

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I gotta sell. When everything's crashing is actually the time you go and buy because things

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that are valuable are cheap, right? It's kind of like, if I want to buy a house, I'd love to buy

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it in a housing crisis when everything's crashing. Yeah. Right. Cause then I can buy a much nicer

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house for less money. All right. So if that's true about economics, what about your spiritual life?

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Right. Now people are, I'm going to get us emails because people would be like, are you saying that

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you need to sell out on Jesus when you're on the mountain top? No, I'm not saying that. And you need

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to listen to what the analogy, all analogies fall apart, right? What is this temptation when things

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aren't going our way to give up? Like how often are we just shy of breakthrough because we don't go

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and put seed in the ground during the middle of a famine? Yeah. Yeah. And take it, take your stock

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market example. When, when you're at your low point, you're supposed to dig in more and when

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you're doing well and everything is going great, you're supposed to celebrate. Yeah. Yeah. Like

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at least when I look at my portfolio, when it's up, I'm like, this is awesome. Right? And when it's

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down, I have a few moments where I'm like, oh crap, this is, I'm losing so much money. I have those

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moments, but then I remind myself, I'm like, no, this is why I'm supposed to dig in. Right. And then

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when I dig in, I'm so thankful because I just end up in such a better spot when I'm back on the

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mountain top. Right. So there's two things. And we're going to carry this analogy into our faith

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filled lives, right? One thing is the church doesn't know how to celebrate. And we're going to talk

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about this in Leviticus. When we get to Leviticus, we don't know how to party. And yes, there's

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celebration on Leviticus. And yes, the church should be the place where people know how to party.

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Yeah. This is going to be wildly unpopular with some people. Yeah. The most carefree celebratory

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people should be the church. Yeah. Knowing how to rejoice and revel in a good God. Yes. But when

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everything around you is crashing, we go, oh man, it is our time to invest. Uh-huh. So it's always

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interesting to me. Let's talk about like just global economic news. Yeah. People talk about,

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they're like, we've been praying for revival for America for a long time. And then things start to

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get really bad in some capacity. Right. And we go, oh no, why is this here? And I'm like, guys,

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what do you think happens in famine? Abundance from God happens. Yeah. Like this is the time

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where the church gets to be the church. Yeah. We are made for this. Uh-huh.

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Isaac. Yeah, right. And I just, I love that Isaac goes and sows in a time of famine.

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Mm-hmm. We should learn from that. Yeah. Now I think that it's really easy for people to build

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a theology off of one statement, so please don't run with that too far. Right. But something about

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Isaac, he sees that God will provide and he does what nobody else is anticipating and he goes and

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sows in famine. Yeah. By the way, this is just after he went and dug a bunch of holes for wells

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and the people are like, yeah, you can't have that. That's ours. Okay. So he moves on, digs another

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hole for a well and they're like, yeah, you can't have that. Move on. Then finally finds another

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place and they're like, nobody says anything. So he's like, okay, well, I'm going to be here.

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Right. Now Isaac is far from perfect. He has the same issue with Abimelech. Yeah, he does.

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Where he says that now Rebecca is his sister. Uh-huh. And once again, we've talked about

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mistakes, sin, those types of things tend to be generational. Like father like son, man.

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He is, he's learning and Isaac actually starts to push the envelope forward. Yeah.

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But Isaac has two kids, two wildly different kids. Yes. Ben's understating this. Like go read the

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text. You will see just how different his kids, Jacob and Esau are. They're so different. They're

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so different. Right. You got Esau who's like, I'm going to be outside. I'm going to go hunt,

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kill my own food. I'm going to be a meaty, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat, fat,

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man's man. And he's also like a wooly mammoth. Yeah. He's a hairy dude. And so much so that they

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literally put like goat skins on his arm. And Isaac is like, oh yeah, that feels right. Yeah. Right.

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That's how hairy this guy is. And then you have Jacob who for lack of a better term, he's a mama's

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boy. Like he's, he's the stay at home, going to please mom, hang out with mom all the time.

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He's definitely going to be the guy who wins wars with his words. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So you got the

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macho manly man who has such hairy arms that you can put goat skin on there and it'd be similar.

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Then you got the smooth talker mama's boy. Two very different kids, two very different kids.

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And one of the things that I want to point out that comes up a lot in Genesis, and it's going to

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be throughout the Bible, but it happens a lot in Genesis and cause it's going to happen in the life

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of Jacob and there's prominence also with Abraham and Abram names are important. Yes. Right. So

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Esau is born, they call him red because he comes out red, right? Esau meaning red. Jacob comes out

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and they call him Jacob because he's grasping the heel. It means heel grasper. By the way,

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stop saying Jacob means liar. That's not what it means. Okay. It means heel grasper. You're

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surfer. I maybe foolishly named my child James, right? My first born, I named him James. And so

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if you don't know, James is the English equivalent of Jacob. In fact, if you look at the book of

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James in the Bible, it could just as easily be the book of Jacob. Right. James has a definite

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personality that I'm okay. He's a Wheeler and dealer. Okay. Oh, the wheel ends. He is so well

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Wheeler. Yeah, he is. And so one of the things that I've been telling him as he's been growing

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up, I've talked to him about what his name actually means. And I asked him, I said, the thing is,

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are you going to usurp or assume authority or step into these roles? Are you going to do it for

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yourself or are you going to do it on behalf of others? Are you going to serve yourself? Are you

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going to serve God in your identity? Yeah. Now, can we pause? Because I'm not sure if I'm going

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to serve myself because I said that to my son. But then right after I said it, I was like,

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what about me? Yeah. You had that moment where you're like, oh, I said this to my son and then

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God's like, hey, Ben, I got something for you. Yeah. I, as the father said it to my son and then

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my father, I'm Dan. It was like, hey, did you just hear yourself? Yeah. Do you hear yourself? I'd like

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to give you a playback on what you just said. Yeah. Right. But that's the thing is like,

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we all have these things that God's called into our identity and you have talents and you have

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gifts and all these different things. Like Jacob has talents. East all has talents. Yeah. The

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question is, are you going to use them for yourself? Are you going to use them for the glory of God?

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Yeah. Like if there's one thing you can take away from Genesis is identity and what are you going

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to do with it? Yeah, absolutely. You know, you're going to be given pieces of favor, blessing,

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all these different things. What are you going to do with it? Are you going to serve yourself

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or serve others? By the way, there's a right answer. Well, I actually should say there is a

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kingdom answer and then there is a way that leads to destruction. Yeah. It's been prominent all

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throughout Genesis. Is God holding out on you or are you going to be a part of his kingdom solution?

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Yeah. And by the way, that doesn't change all the way into Jesus. Right? So true. These characters,

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it's so funny. It just cracks me up because in the New Testament, they're like, okay, the God of our

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ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And if you read through the stories of these guys, it's like,

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dude, they did some weird things. Like they're not perfect individuals. I love that the Bible does not

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edit them as like perfect individuals. No. Because it's not trying to give us a lofty standard that

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we can't identify with. And we should learn from that. Yeah. Right. I mean, like how many times have

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you heard some of it? Like how many times have you seen someone try to just maintain a perfect

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reputation? Yeah. Like how well does that work? We have been putting pastors on pedestals. Uh-huh.

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And we've been making those pedestals higher and higher. And then we're shocked when they fall.

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Mm-hmm. Right? Like there'll be pastors who have like a slight hiccup. Right. Like not even something

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that's going to be detrimental to their ministry, but just like a slight hiccup on something in

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their lives. Like a little sin thing that reared its head, but forgiveness and restoration had

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taken place and they're good again. Right? And people have been like, whoa, they are unfit to

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serve because they're imperfect. Well, so are you. And churches still ask you to serve. Yeah. We're

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all imperfect. And so if we're looking for perfection for service, let's spoil alert,

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nobody would be serving God. Yeah. No kidding. Well, and it's interesting because I want to

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address two different things in that. Right? One is that none of us are perfect. And I guarantee you,

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at some point I'm going to disappoint you. Mm-hmm. Right? I mean, that is a guarantee. One thing I

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can guarantee you about myself at some point, I'm going to do something that disappoints you.

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I disappoint Ben all the time. Like we record these episodes and like an hour later he's like,

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are they edited? I have unrealistic expectations. Yeah. Unreal. Actually, while we're recording,

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I'm like, have you finished editing? But then I want to address the other side of it is the

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church is also really bad at dealing with people who have garbage in their life. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

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Right? And let me explain this. So one of two things happens is we try to pretend like what

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a pastor did is okay. Or they sweep it under the rug or they're like, hey, it wasn't that big of a

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deal. No, it is a big deal. But we need to deal with it so that restoration, forgiveness, and

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restoration can happen. I said restoration twice. I meant redemption. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. You're making it a big deal by hiding it. Yeah. Hey guys, what happened in the garden?

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Adam and Eve hid from God. Mm-hmm. And he's like, where are you? You're not where I left you.

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Right. And he wasn't mad. He wasn't mad. Yeah. But they needed to deal with what was going on there.

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Yeah. So if you're listening to this and you're like, man, I am an imperfect human. Great. Join

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the club. Yeah. We're all trying to get better. We're all here. We're waiting for you. Jump on

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in, man. Let's go. On the good side, if you've been waiting to get involved in the kingdom of God

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until you get your act together, good news is jumping today. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to

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get your act together. None of us have our act together. Holy Spirit is moving through us and

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making us into better versions of ourselves every day. I saw, I actually saw on Instagram,

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Riele the other day, he was like playacting his conversation with himself. And he was like,

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I'd like a refund on adulthood. Right. And the guy's like, oh, you can't do that. He's like,

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well, okay, can I speak to your manager? And he's like, well, you're the manager. And he's like,

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well, who put me in charge? I'm not qualified. Right. Like we're all figuring this out. Yeah.

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Like, and when I watched that reel, I just laughed because I was like, I feel that way a lot of time

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too. So let's, let's jump back in and into the ugly of character. Right. Yeah. So Jacob and Esau

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is an interesting story, right? Because one Esau sells his birthright for a bowl of lentil stew.

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And I can't say that I've ever wanted lentil stew when I ever, ever. Right. I mean, I made lentil

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stew all the time growing up and I hated it. I mean, you might, you might be able to like convince

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me or like, at least like have a, have a chance if you're like, Oh, we have this really delicious

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pepperoni and black olive pizza and also a bacon cheeseburger for you. Right. Like these are things

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that might act, but even then I'm like, okay, well, why is that? Why would I want that over

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my birthright? But it's clear that Esau doesn't care about the birthright and Jacob does,

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except then later Esau does care about the birthright when it actually comes time to pay the

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counting. Yeah. Have you made, have you ever made a bad deal and then when you got done with it,

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you're like, I really wish I didn't do make that deal. Right. So, but then Jacob's mother, Rebecca,

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like jumps in on this too. And she helps him deceive his father and steal a blessing,

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which is a big deal in Hebrew culture. By the way, we should make that a big deal in our culture.

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Yes, we should blessing each other. Yes. Specifically your children. One of the things

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I've been starting to try to do is I ask God, because I said, when I release my kids from my

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household, like when they go in their adults, I've asked God to start putting a blessing in my heart.

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Yeah. That I speak over them when they go. Right. Something that's from him that is imparted through

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the mouth of the father, their father to them. Yeah. They actually go and I want to speak into

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their identity. Yeah. It's powerful. Oh, it's so powerful. Right. And, and understand I'm not

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getting all like, I'm not getting, it's like super mystic here, but at the same time I'm getting kind

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of mystic because God does crazy things through spoken word. Right. He does. When you hear the

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voice of the father and you repeat what he's saying in heaven on earth, you'd be shocked at

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the things that happen because it's not your authority. It says authority flowing through you.

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Yeah. And, and let's, can we simplify this down a little bit? So like you hear us talk about

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blessing and like there is legitimate, when you're talking, when you're blessing people,

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blessing people in the name of Jesus, like things happen in their lives and you should be a person

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of blessing anyways, because apparently when Jesus told his disciples, he's like, you say a blessing

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with those people. If they don't receive it, it's coming back on you. Yeah. Like, man, that sounds

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like a great deal to me. Go bless everybody you can. Yeah. If they don't want it. Sure. It's going

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to come back to you. Great. Right. And so just taking this like a step further, one of the things

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I try to do in my life, and I, and I don't do this perfectly, but I try to is I'm like, I want the

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things to come out of my mouth. I want the positive things to far outweigh the negative things.

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Now there's issues you gotta deal with in life, right? But if you just complain about everything,

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how are you being a blessing to those around you? Yeah. Right. Like instead there might be

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situations that you're like, oh, this isn't going the way I want. This isn't what it should look

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like, but I'm going to find the good and I'm going to find, I'm going to find the people in

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a situation that I can bless. Yeah. I like that a lot. So Jacob comes in and he steals Esau's

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blessing and Esau is not shockingly upset and he's like, well, I'm going to kill this guy. And so

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Jacob takes off and he, and he gets a taste of his own medicine with this guy. That's his uncle named

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Laban. Not a very nice guy, by the way. No, he's very similar to Jacob though. Yeah. Right. I have

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issues with Jacob is like, I know he's a founding father of the faith, but like he's not a terribly

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awesome dude because okay, so he's at Bethel and he has this dream about Jacob's ladder with angels

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ascending and descending, which by the way, you should catch the reference when Jesus is talking

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in the new Testament about angels ascending and descending on the son of man. Yeah. Right. He goes,

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he's like, okay, God, well, if you bless me and you do this and you do that and I increase in wealth,

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I'm going to give you a 10th of everything I get. What? So he cheated his brother out of blessing

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and then he's trying to wheel a jiggly God out of what God already owns. Yeah. So I read those

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story of Jacob and sometimes I'm like, okay, I got to get ahead of this with James. Right. So now I

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want to just tell you my boy is a sweetheart. He is a sweetest kid, but he is a wheeler and dealer

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and that's why calling it in is going to be important because he's going to have a tendency,

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especially as he gets older, to buy into that side. And it's our job as parents to steward them well.

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Yeah. Right. So Jacob is just this really questionable character. He runs into Laban.

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Laban is also a very questionable character and he's got two daughters, Leah and Rachel.

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Mm hmm. Right. And he's like, okay, well, if you work for me for seven years, you can have

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my daughter, you know, Rachel. And there's some slight of hand he gives her Leah because, you know,

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the first daughter has to get married first. And then there's that conversation and he works

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for another seven years for Laban. But here's the disappointing thing. I don't know if he actually

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picked this up in the text. He actually marries Rachel a week later or however long the honeymoon

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period would be. Right. Yeah. Leah actually only gets her husband to herself for very little time.

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Yeah. He doesn't work for another seven years and then another seven years marry Rachel.

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He immediately marries Rachel. Yeah. This is actually one of the times in scripture where

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Jacob actually honors his work. He immediately marries Rachel, but then he honors his word and

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then still works for Laban for another seven years. Right. But I want to talk about Leah

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because I think God comes in and really, is this Leah or Leah? I'm going to say use both. Okay.

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Let's say Leah. Okay. I've always heard Leah. Yeah. I mean, I think you could say Leah. Okay.

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But I mean, Leah might confuse people who watch Star Wars, right? And they'll be like, they'll

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be like, well, where's Luke? So when Anakin Skywalker, just kidding, just kidding. So,

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but I think God, in the very similar way that we saw Hagar and Sarai, God sees Leah. Yeah. And he

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meets her where she's at and she has tons of kids. So there's 12 tribes of Israel. Yes. Which is what

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Jacob's name eventually gets changed into. 10 of those tribes are from Leah. Are from Leah. Yeah.

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Yeah. And the other two are from Rachel. That's a lot of tribes that come from Leah.

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Leah. Mm-hmm. La-li-dee-ah. If you ever want a chapter in the Bible where you're like,

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what is happening here? Just go read the story of Leah and Rachel trying to have kids for Jacob.

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Yeah. It's real interesting. It's very interesting. We'll just, we're not going to dive into that.

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We'll just leave it at that. Go do Genesis 30, I believe. Go do your reading and then you'll be

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like, why'd you recommend that to me? No, this section of scripture is very interesting, right?

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It's super interesting. There's a lot that's going on moving on into the life of Jacob as he has kids.

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There's a teaching by Rabbi David Foreman called Coats and Goats, which is fascinating. I'm not

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going to get into it. Go check it out, alfbeta.com org. It's great. He's got some really interesting

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things that are happening with coats and goats. One of the things that I, well, I'm going to stop,

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I'm going to stop saying one of these things, one of the things, okay? Ben says one of the things,

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and you got to know that that's that thought for that moment. For that moment. And then he

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gets on to the next moment. He's like, one of the things, that's the next thought for that moment,

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but they're all one of the things. Yeah. Two of the things. Two of the things. They're saying that.

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Because if you start a county now, we'd have a lot of the things. Yeah. So trending throughout

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Genesis is this though, Abraham and Sarah, they are where the promised line comes through. Yes. Isaac

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and Rebecca are where the promise comes through. Now, Isaac is the second born of Abraham. Jacob,

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who the line continues through, is the second born of Isaac. Joseph, who ends up actually going into

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Egypt, is going to be the first born of the second wife. Right? So I don't know if you guys are

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starting to notice a trend here, right? God is not working through the first born, but for the

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second born. Right? Just keep your finger on that, because we'll come back to that at some point.

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Some people are going to be like, when? Eventually. It's like 10 years from now, people will be like,

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you never addressed this. And I'll be like, you know what? You're right. You're right. We're going

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to get to it next week. Next week, we'll be 20 years from now. Yeah. So Jacob has all these kids.

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He's got 10 kids on the side of Leah. He's got two kids on the side of Rachel, though one is born

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initially and the other one's born much later. So he has this kid named Joseph, and I always love it

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when they have the Joseph and the technicolor dream coat, you know what I'm talking about?

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One of the things that's going on in Hebrew, and it does say multicolor, that's one of the ways

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that they translate it. But the bigger deal about Jacob giving Joseph the coat is it's a second coat.

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first born is the one who is supposed to get the double portion. Yeah. Because it's the first born's

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responsibility to take care of the family after dad dies. And what Jacob says is he says, I know

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that my first born is Reuben and also a delicious sandwich. Apparently he was famous for making

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these sandwiches. That's not in the Bible. Sorry. I'm just totally aware of that sandwich.

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I guess that's totally where that sandwich comes from. But Jacob says, hey, I know that you're my

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first born, but I really wish it was Joseph. So I mean, I understand why his brothers don't like him.

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And then Joseph doesn't exactly do himself any favors. Right? No, he doesn't. He's like,

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let me tell you about this dream about when you all bowed down to me because I was the coolest

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person ever. I mean, sounds like a youngest child to me. Like, you're not wrong. No, I mean,

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but yeah, Joseph doesn't do himself any favors in this moment. And Jacob, he's doing a couple

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things by giving the coat to Joseph. Is like, one, he is saying, okay, Rachel's my favorite wife

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because I'm honoring her first born. Right? And then two, he's saying Reuben, your youngest sibling

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is more important to me than you are. It's a hard thing here. Right? Imagine, I mean, just imagine

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your parent or guardian coming up to you and being like, hey, this right here, this one right here

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is my favorite sibling. Right. That's hard. That's hard. So like, I can understand the hurt from his

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brothers. I mean, I maybe don't understand it to the point where they're like, hey, let's toss him

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in a pit and pretend like he got murdered and sell them off into slavery. But there's a lot going on

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there and I'm not going to get into it. But I mean, like, they have a pretty severe reaction to that.

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Yeah. Right. So Joseph does get sold into slavery. He ends up in Egypt. And so remember what we said

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about Isaac. He sells them time of famine. Right? What does Joseph do? He's in Potiphar's house as a

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slave. Right? Yep. And yet he becomes so prominent in his slavery because he's so good at what he

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does. He becomes the head of Potiphar's household. He basically runs everything. Yep. He is a slave

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in his master's household. And yet he just serves so well in the worst circumstance that he gets

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put in charge of everything. Okay. Well, then of course, there's a situation where Potiphar's wife

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wants to sleep with Joseph. He's like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. And so she lies and says that

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he tried to rape her and he gets thrown into jail. And once again, he's even a worse situation.

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Right? Yep. Again, he sows in famine and God meets him there. Right? He doesn't take him out of jail.

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Yeah. He's still in jail. And then he gives these prophetic words about a baker and a cup bear,

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one that ends very, very well and one that ends not so well. If you go and check out the one that

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says like his eyes are going to get plucked out by birds or something like that, it's really gruesome.

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And all of his people are like, yeah, we don't got anything. And then this guy remembers, he says,

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oh wait, there was a guy in the jail who told me all these things and he was a pretty cool dude.

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Maybe he can help you. And Joseph is brought forward and he has like this moment where he

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is able to step into his identity that he's had the whole time. Yep. Now he's put onto a platform

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where he's actually able to step into it. Yeah. And he goes and he interprets the dream. And I

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and I love the conversation about like, how does he interpret the dream? Actually, Baymaw has a great

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conversation about that. If you haven't caught the theme, we're referencing them a lot because

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they've got great stuff and we're not going to trot over that ground again. Yeah. Okay.

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But Joseph basically is able to see the famine that's coming. I think that's interesting.

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Famine, right? Given who his grandfather is. Yep. And Pharaoh says, oh, okay, well, I'm going to put

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you in charge basically of Egypt and you're basically going to be underneath me and you'll

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have all the authority to get ready for this. Right? So he wants again, so some famine.

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And then what Joseph does is very shrewd. He starts to accumulate a lot of reserves,

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knowing the famine is coming. Okay. He accumulates in advance knowing the famine is coming. Yeah.

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And so then what ends up happening in a lot of the rise of prominence of Egypt can be attributed

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to this is the fact that when famine comes and nobody has any food, including Egypt,

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because they aren't growing new food, they only are living off their stores. They are now able

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to sell their food to these people in exchange for sometimes land, sometimes animals, sometimes,

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you know, whatever the prophet would be. Now, I think the temptation is to say, well, yeah,

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but this is going to lead to slavery. This is taking advantage. I was like, you do realize that

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a whole region would have died if Egypt hadn't accumulated this food. Yeah.

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Like, so God used the greed of men or maybe the self-preservation of men to actually save a whole

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region. Like sit with that for a while. Yeah. God doesn't let anything go unwasted.

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Like, and so hear me out on this. Okay. You might be like, well, there was this horrible moment in

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my life. Okay. God's not going to let that go unwasted. Now I'm not someone who's going to

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come and say, God caused all that stuff to happen in your life. I don't necessarily believe that. I

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believe there's consequences for our own actions. And I believe we have to accept some of that stuff.

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There's also a reality of living in a fallen world. There's a reality of living in a fallen

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world. There's disease, there's brokenness, there's all these things, right? But God will use those

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things to draw you closer to him. He will use that to draw you closer to him. I mean, with Joseph,

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one of the things that kind of strikes me about the story is that every time Joseph was put in

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a really bad situation, he leaned into who God is and God blesses that. Like every time, like he's

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thrown in a pit, sold into slavery. He leans into who God is, is faithful, God blesses it.

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Right? He was thrown into jail. He leans into who God is, is faithful, God blesses it. Okay. He gets

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brought before Pharaoh to interpret dream. He leans into who God is, God's faithful, he blesses it.

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Again, you see that again with the stores of food. Joseph is a very different character than his

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father. Very different. Very different. And we need to see that because Jacob was a wheeler and

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dealer, kind of sly, good with his words type things. And Joseph is just a straight up faithful

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guy, faithful to the Lord. Yeah. I mean, is there some squishiness in him? Of course. Of course.

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Absolutely. Because he's a person. Absolutely. Yeah. And there's also echoes of his father in

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him as well. Right? But his father also is called Israel. Right? Yeah. Like the nation, Israel,

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like that Jesus eventually comes from, that was from his father, Jacob. So the hunger gets,

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the family gets so big that his brothers actually have to come and get food from Egypt. And there's

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a whole like dance that ends up happening where he reveals himself and doesn't reveal himself and

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throws one of them in jail and gets his father to come back to Egypt and all these different things

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that happen. Right? Like, I'm not going to get into that, but you know what is the most beautiful

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part of all of that? Joseph forgives his brothers. Yeah. He puts the hurt, he takes the hurt on

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himself. And he said, he makes a statement. He says that what you meant for evil, God, you are

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meant for evil. God purposed for good. And he's like, it's okay, guys. The best possible thing

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came out of this. Doesn't make what you did. Okay. But I recognize the hand of God, even in your evil

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and I choose to forgive. Boy, if we could talk about a more relevant thing in the church today,

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right? And we're talking about people who were close to him, who hurt him. Right? Like we're not

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talking about like, okay, somebody said a sly comment at the grocery store. The equivalent would

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be like, I mean, literally, if you had family members who just sold you out for some reason.

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you'd want nothing to do with them. But Joseph comes around and he's like, no, I forgive you.

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Because you are my family and I love you. And I see the divine hand that moved behind you.

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I mean, because it is an evil guy. It's like they sold him into slavery. That's not cool.

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It's not good at all. But what God ended up actually doing is putting Joseph in a position

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where he could save not only one nation, but all the nations in that area. Yeah. Egypt actually

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becomes very powerful after this. Right? Now, of course, we're going to get into the Exodus

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and this power, once it goes generation to generation to generation becomes a problem.

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But I think the tendency is to maybe blame Joseph for creating Egypt into this powerhouse.

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And I don't think that the person who creates blessing, who creates functional things,

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carries the blame for people who misuse it. Right? No, they do not. Right? And I think you need to

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hear this because I think sometimes we have this tendency to blame Jesus for the people who follow

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him. I made a statement to a person about an event that they were going to. They felt very

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convicted that they should go and participate in this event. Right? And I made a statement to

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them. And I made a statement. I said, if people don't like you because of Jesus, that's expected.

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Yeah. If people don't like Jesus because of you, that's sin. Make sure that the reason people don't

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like you is because of Jesus, not the other way around. Right? And I think that often in our

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churches, we get a lot of people who claim to represent Jesus and do everything except that.

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Right? I am very cognizant of my shortcomings. Same here. And I'm trying to live them out well,

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but I also try to remind people, hey, I'm not Jesus. I'm becoming more like him. Yeah.

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But I also am going to live into my changed nature because my nature is no longer prone to sin,

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it's prone to righteousness. The Holy Spirit is working inside of me to do good things in this

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world. And if I listen to him, he's going to direct me to better things rather than worse things.

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Mm-hmm. Sometimes though, it's time to store up because famine's coming. Yeah.

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And having enough in the time of famine is not just about you. It's about all those that are

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around you. There's a ton of things we can learn from these guys. I mean, we didn't even talk about

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Jacob wrestling with God. We didn't even talk about the Jacob's letter. I briefly referenced it.

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We didn't talk about Esau forgiving his brother. Right? What I think is worth mentioning though,

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is the two forgiveness moments we've mentioned, Esau forgiving his brother and Joseph forgiving

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his brothers. These are forgiveness moments pre-Jesus. Growing up, actually, the church that

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I grew up in, they kind of skimmed over that. They didn't really talk about that. And then when they

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got to Jesus, they're like, okay, this is when forgiveness happens. Yeah. But then you dive into

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this and you're like, wait, wait, wait. There's actually forgiveness that happens pre-Jesus.

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Like you have Esau forgiving Jacob. You have Joseph forgiving his brothers. You have Moses

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forgiving the Israelites. And the story keeps going. Right? Right. And then some of you are like,

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well, what about Jesus? What's the work of Jesus have to do with anything? I'm so glad you asked.

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We're going to get to that soon. We are going to get to that soon. We promise. So stay tuned for

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that. If you want a spoiler alert, just go read the four gospels. Yeah. There's some good stuff

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in there about why that's important. This is what we can tell you about the work of Jesus.

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The work of Jesus is not about satisfying God's wrath. There's, I just said that and I guarantee

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you we get an angry. Oh yeah. We will. Okay. Cause I want to break this down for you. Okay.

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Who is Jesus? He's God. It's not a trick question. Right? So if Jesus drinks the cup of God's holy

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wrath, so God drinks God's holy wrath. Jesus drinks the cup of God's holy wrath. Yep. Okay.

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This sounds like a God who walked both sides of the covenant. Yep. This sounds like the God who

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meets people in the middle of nowhere at a place called Bethel. This sounds like a God who gives a

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vision of abundance and scarcity so that a nation can protect an entire region. Yeah. This sounds

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like a God who remembers even in the midst of a cataclysmic flood. This sounds like a God who knows

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when to say enough and realize that creation is ready to start blossoming. Yeah. It's almost like

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the God in the new Testament is the God of the old Testament. Then it's always been a story about

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how God is getting his kids back home and that when he gets into the new Testament, he's still not

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angry. He's working through Jesus to bring about the redemption of the entire world. And yet we

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still want to talk about an angry God. He created a new covenant just like he created with Abraham,

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where he created a new covenant where he's like, I am going to walk both sides. There's nothing you

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have to do except come home. Yep. Guys, it is time to come home. It is time to stop living in this

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reality of an angry God. That is what pagans do. Their gods are angry. Ours is not. Now there are

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times that God gets angry and we will talk about that because it shows up in the rest of Torah,

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but it is not for the reasons you think. And we already saw in Sodom and Gomorrah, why was God

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angry with Sodom and Gomorrah? Why did he reach out and have to wipe them out? Because they were

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fat and overfed and they didn't care about anybody but themselves. Just a warning church. Maybe it's

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time to actually believe that God's not angry with you and go love other people. Go and actually

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bring the kingdom wherever you go. Stop living in fear of God and go and be the church. So when you

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look at this story, one of the things with Joseph that is just very interesting to see is he relied

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on God 100%. He also took responsibility and stored up food. Yeah. Right. He took responsibility

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to store the food and because he did that, he took care of the whole region around him.

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Okay. We as a church should take note of that. I often hear people who are like, well, this church

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just isn't feeding me. The church is supposed to help build you up so you can be sent out, right?

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But you should be taking responsibility for getting your own spiritual food. Right. Right.

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Especially if you're here in America, man, you're two clicks away on Amazon from getting a Bible.

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There's tons of podcasts out there. There's Bible apps. There's so many resources to be able to get

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the spiritual food you need. There's two randos that are talking on a Love and Context podcast.

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Right. Exactly. And so we should take note of this, of like Joseph took care of that for himself.

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He made sure he was going to be fed. Yeah. Right. And then he used that to bless his whole region.

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Yeah. And believe me, if you're like, well, they paid for the food. I was like, it's still a blessing.

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Still a blessing. Because there's no other food around. Yeah. I want to share a quick story and

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we'll probably end the podcast on this and people are going to be like, that's a really weird way to

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end it. Are you ready for that? We like weird. I had a pastor when I was in college and he made

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a comment about, he's like, people come to the church and they're like, well, I'm just not being

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fed. I'm not getting, you know, I'm not getting what I need. I'm not being fed. And he's like,

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you know, if you eat and eat and eat and eat and you never go, it's called constipation and you can

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die from it. The church today is spiritually constipated because we're so busy eating that

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we never go and be. The church has been eating so much and eating and eating and eating and they

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never go and be the church. They're like, ah, I love God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength.

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And my neighbor is also there. No, it's time to actually put what you've been eating into use

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and go and be the body of Christ. And the foods you've been eating is good. It's good. Like it is

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so good. Like if you're talking spiritual food, we're not talking the top ramen and spiritual food

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here. We're talking like high end steaks, the ice cream with the gold flakes on it. Like the

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restaurants that us poor people wish we could eat at, right? That's the spiritual food we're getting

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and we're being called to, hey, take that and share it. That's huge. Like take that spiritual

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food and share that. Like, so just to take this analogy a little bit further, if you, if you go

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to someone who has nothing, someone who needs food and you give them a Twinkie, they're probably

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going to be thankful and they're probably going to eat it. Right. You take that same person and

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we're in Alaska and go get them some really good fish and chips. It's a totally different ball

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game for them. Yeah. I'm going to change this analogy just slightly and say, Hey guys, maybe

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it's time for us to have a bigger table. Yeah. And to invite those people to that table. Mm hmm.

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I was, I was talking with a few people a while back and I was like, so often the church, what

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they do is they invite, they invite people out and they're like, Hey, why don't you come to coffee

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with me? And then what they do is they throw their crap all over every seat at the table they're

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sitting at. And they're like, by the way, you need a stand. It's no wonder they leave.

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It's like, you gotta have room for them to sit down and feel welcomed. Yeah.

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I don't know if you're familiar with God's table, but it's pretty big. There's a lot of spots in

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there. It's time for us to live like it's a bigger table and get some people here to eat. Yes. And

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there's tons of food on it. Stop complaining about the fact that you got to eat, eat, eat, eat,

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eat. It's time for you to go and invite and bring, bring that food out. We're mixing metaphors all

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over the place, but you guys understand what we're saying. It's time to be the church. Yeah. Yeah.

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So that's Genesis. Like that's the invitation. Jacob is going to die and he's going to, but he's

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going to tell his kids that he wants to be buried back in his homeland, right? With his, with his

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ancestors. And Joseph is going to honor that, but then the Israelites are going to be in Egypt

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and that's going to be their home. Right. Now we know the story that's coming up next, right? We

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understand what's coming up in Exodus, but at this point, this is a good thing. The question is,

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when you live in Egypt, do you now become Egypt or do you stay God's people? Yeah. And I think

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that's the question as we move into the Exodus that we actually have to start asking because Egypt

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gets so inside of the people that even when they're let out, they're still in Egypt.

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Boy, if there was only a relevant story for the church today. Yeah. So next time we're going to

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talk about that. If you have thoughts, comments, please email us at love and context at gmail.com.

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Yeah. Yeah. We're just shy of Boomer. Yep. Just shy of Boomer. That's not true. We're a lot

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else. Yeah. Thanks for listening guys. And until next time.

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Thank you so much for listening today. We hope you enjoyed this podcast and we hope that you got

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