1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,640 Welcome to the Love and Context podcast of Unscripted Conversation with Ben and Spencer. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,400 We're so glad that you could join us today, whether that's from your car, office, home, 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,080 church, or wherever you're at. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,200 We did have a few sound quality issues with our first few episodes. 5 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,340 Those have been resolved. 6 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:22,160 So if you do notice that the sound is funny in the first couple episodes, we do apologize 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:23,200 for that. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:28,820 If you want to contact us, you can email us at loveandcontext.gmail.com. 9 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:32,480 Also follow us on Instagram at loveandcontext. 10 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:36,120 All right. 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,480 Welcome once again to the Love and Context podcast with Ben and Spencer. 12 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:41,720 I'm Ben and that's Spencer. 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,280 Are you all excited for this? 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:44,280 I mean, I'm excited. 15 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,280 I think it's kind of weird. 16 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,360 Like we're on a podcast and I pointed at you like they can actually see me point. 17 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,360 I know, right? 18 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,840 Um, so just so you know, this episode, probably the next episode, we're going to have some 19 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,320 more weird audio stuff. 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,600 We have better equipment, better days are coming. 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,640 But we also live on a rock in the middle of Alaska. 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,760 So everything takes forever to get here. 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:08,920 So this, this week we're going to be in Genesis chapter six and most of the way through chapter 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:09,920 nine. 25 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,400 So if you haven't had a chance to read that, like the probably check it out because we're 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,680 going to, we're going to assume that you've read it and you're familiar with what's going 27 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:17,240 on in here. 28 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Yeah. 29 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:23,760 So it, again, we are huge components, like huge fans of the Bible itself. 30 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:29,560 So if anything you hear us say, uh, we are looking at scripture and we are trying to 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,040 make sure we are staying true to that. 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,800 So yeah, please, please take time to read these passages for yourself. 33 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,800 Yeah. 34 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,320 So, um, Genesis to me, I love this book by the way. 35 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:45,360 Um, so of all of Torah and by the way, Torah is first five books of the Bible also called 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,240 books of Moses, books of the law. 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,360 Uh, the, the Jews call it Torah. 38 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,360 And so I'm going to call it Torah. 39 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,800 So, and if you come and you say the first five books of the Bible are nasty, Mark, Luke, 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,560 John and Acts, I'm going to be like, no. 41 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,560 Yeah. 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,960 I, if it's, if it's the bigger portion for it. 43 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Uh, all right. 44 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,400 So we are in chapter six and we're going to be talking about the flood. 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,440 Uh, we are not going to talk about the Nephilim. 46 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:11,720 Um, there's some really like cool, uh, conversations about that, whether or not they were, uh, just 47 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,320 elite warriors, whether they were actually angels that came down and became mad. 48 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,320 We don't know. 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:17,320 You don't know. 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,320 There's a lot of conversation about that. 51 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,520 I don't think it's pertinent to our conversation. 52 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Yeah. 53 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,960 So let's get into it. 54 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,960 The flood, the flood, the flood. 55 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:25,960 Yeah. 56 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Man, people love to talk about this story. 57 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:31,480 Uh, I think it's first of all weird that we, uh, focus on the story for kids. 58 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:32,480 Oh yeah. 59 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:33,760 It's completely weird. 60 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Yeah. 61 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,760 We're like, yeah. 62 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,460 And I think it's like, Ooh, the animals, woo animals. 63 00:02:38,460 --> 00:02:42,360 But at the same time, like this is a story about the entire world getting a story. 64 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,840 It is right. 65 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,480 Um, I love this. 66 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:46,480 Okay. 67 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:47,480 So starting in verse five, he says this. 68 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,680 The world saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth and 69 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:58,080 that every inclination of the thoughts of human heart was only evil all the time. 70 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,400 That's how I started every kid's story. 71 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,400 I'll tell about you. 72 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Yeah. 73 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,160 It's so good. 74 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:11,280 A long time ago, every evil thought that could happen did happen. 75 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Um, so there's actually a, uh, I think we talked about, we talked about this before. 76 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:21,280 Uh, there's an actually really interesting thing in, um, the Midrash about how, uh, so 77 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Noah, they say that Noah invented the, um, plow. 78 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:26,880 You mean? 79 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:27,880 Yeah. 80 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,840 And you're like, okay, well, why do you say that? 81 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:31,840 Right. 82 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,840 And, uh, as like, what, why is that? 83 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,880 And then that's what actually causes the destruction of their, like the evil. 84 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,360 And I said, well, what causes that? 85 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,240 So you remember like in the Canadian Naval story, we talked about working the earth, 86 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,600 going to the field, being a restless wanderer. 87 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,400 And then he did like, they basically don't do anything that tries to do to get, bring 88 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:47,400 them back to the garden. 89 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,400 Yeah. 90 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Um, so something about work is supposed to bring you back to the garden. 91 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Yeah. 92 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:54,360 Right. 93 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,720 It's supposed to connect you back to nature of God, just like we talked about, like childbirth 94 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,060 connects you to who God is, right? 95 00:03:59,060 --> 00:04:00,060 Your job. 96 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:02,960 Um, and please, let's stop, pause here. 97 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,400 I am not saying the only woman's job is to have kids. 98 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,400 That is not what I'm saying. 99 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,400 I'm using examples. 100 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,160 Um, God has a call on all of our lives and we're responsible to those calls. 101 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Right? 102 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,160 Yeah. 103 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,120 Um, but there's something inherent in like childbirth connects you to God. 104 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,760 There's something inherent or working the ground connects you to God. 105 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:21,760 Yeah. 106 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:28,480 And so the Midrash teaches about Noah building a plow because now farming becomes easy and 107 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,720 you don't actually have the toil, which actually connects you to the nature of God. 108 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,360 And if you are following along in scripture and you're like, I am not seeing that anywhere 109 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,360 in the Bible. 110 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:40,640 That's, you are correct. 111 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:41,640 Yeah. 112 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,480 So the Midrash, which is, um, how would you best say it's Jewish commentary? 113 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Yeah. 114 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,480 Right. 115 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,480 Yeah. 116 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,320 So I mean, like you have your NIV study Bible and you got guys talking in there and I was 117 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,320 like, that's all good. 118 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,400 I was like, this is kind of the exact same thing. 119 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:56,400 Yeah. 120 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,600 You even learn some really interesting things in the Midrash. 121 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,800 They will frequently tell stories meant to bring you to another reality of what somebody 122 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,240 found in the text. 123 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,240 Yeah. 124 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,240 Right. 125 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,960 So right now we're providing some context from outside sources and we're going to have 126 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,520 more of the text here in just a minute. 127 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,320 So the heart, the start of this story, every inclination of the thoughts of man. 128 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,840 Well, actually, you know, you were talking about, um, uh, the way to start off a story, 129 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:23,840 right? 130 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,000 And I was like, it actually starts with the Nephilim right before that. 131 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,320 So I was like, that's, that's definitely a way to start the kids story. 132 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Right. 133 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:30,320 Right. 134 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,520 And, uh, so he looks at it. 135 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,520 Yeah. 136 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,280 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth and his heart was deeply 137 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:36,280 troubled. 138 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:39,400 So the Lord said, I will wipe from the face of the earth, the human race I've created 139 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,640 and with them, the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground. 140 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:51,360 For I regret that I have made them, but Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. 141 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,360 We need to, like, we need to stop and pause on that for a second. 142 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,320 Cause so when I was growing up, I was often taught this from two perspectives. 143 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:04,240 Like one God recognized that everything he did was horrible and bad. 144 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,240 And so that's kind of like one interpretation was like, Oh, it was just, it all turned to 145 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:09,240 crap. 146 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,160 And we're going to get rid of it. 147 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:13,160 Right. 148 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Uh, but God doesn't do that right away. 149 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,600 He doesn't throw in the towel right away on creation. 150 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,880 You get to verse eight and it says, but Noah found favor in the Lord. 151 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:29,540 Another way to look at that is that God waited until there was someone to take the reins 152 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:31,520 once everything else was wiped out. 153 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:32,520 Right. 154 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Well, and, and not to get ahead of ourselves, but there's going to be a story about Abraham. 155 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,680 Yeah, I acknowledge you my rain pun. 156 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,680 I did not. 157 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,680 I thought that's it. 158 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,680 That is so good. 159 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,120 And I did went right over my head. 160 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Like that's how good it was. 161 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:47,760 Like I didn't even catch it. 162 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:52,720 Uh, but that, so let, I mean, so the idea of like he's, God is looking right. 163 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Yeah. 164 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:54,720 Cause he founded Noah. 165 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:55,720 Right. 166 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:56,720 Yeah. 167 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:57,720 And you can't find something out looking for. 168 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,720 Yeah. 169 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,760 He didn't, he didn't just say, all right, blank slate. 170 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,880 We're wiping this all out and I'm going to create a new garden of Eden and put new people 171 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:05,880 in it. 172 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 He said, no, my creation is still, I mean, he still has this. 173 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,440 My creation is still worth redeeming. 174 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Um, and another thing to know on this is that he didn't just like as soon as they turn for 175 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,240 him and wipe them out. 176 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:21,240 Right. 177 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:22,240 Right. 178 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:23,240 Yeah. 179 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,240 I'm a generations. 180 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,240 Yeah. 181 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,200 He, we're talking generations, hundreds, potentially thousands of years. 182 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,200 Yeah. 183 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Oh, and so like I was saying, uh, before I missed your amazing pond, um, it later in 184 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,520 the story, there's going to be a guy named by the name of Abraham, right? 185 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,320 Who is talking to God before he goes to a place called Sodom and Gomorrah. 186 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,320 Okay. 187 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,800 A couple, 400 years later than that, there's going to be a guy called Moses who was on 188 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,520 top of the mountain receiving the law. 189 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Yeah. 190 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,440 And God's going to be like, Hey, these people down, down, down below are doing some sketchy 191 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,440 stuff. 192 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Okay. 193 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,920 And he's going to beyond asking God to spare based on the numbers, he's actually going 194 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,920 to offer to step in. 195 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,920 Yeah. 196 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:07,560 And I would position it this, or maybe just postulate this that perhaps one of the times 197 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,720 what God is looking is he's looking for people who are willing to go and be self-sacrificial 198 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,320 on behalf of others who are willing to bear up the name correctly. 199 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,320 Yeah. 200 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:17,320 Right. 201 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,320 Yeah. 202 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:19,320 Yeah. 203 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:20,320 Absolutely. 204 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,320 All right. 205 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,320 So, but Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. 206 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,320 Now, why did Noah find favor in the eyes of the Lord? 207 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:24,320 Be actionable. 208 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:25,320 No, it's on the text. 209 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:29,680 I think it is perfectly reasonable from a historical perspective to think that the flood 210 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:30,680 is a real thing. 211 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:31,680 Yeah. 212 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,000 Because it's not just a Christian account. 213 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:39,080 Like there's the, there, I think of Gilgamesh, there is, there's a Babylonian accounts. 214 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,720 There's the, all over the world, all these different religions have an account of some 215 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,040 sort of cataclysmic flood. 216 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,080 Apparently Alaskan natives have an account of that too. 217 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,080 Yeah. 218 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,200 I'm not familiar with it, but I know that they have it. 219 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,200 Yeah. 220 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,200 That's the extent of what I know too. 221 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Yeah. 222 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:56,040 I, I, you know, if somebody who's listening is Alaskan native, I can link us a link to 223 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,040 that story. 224 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,040 We love it. 225 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,040 Thank you so much. 226 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,040 Yeah. 227 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,520 It's very reasonable to think that this is a real event, right? 228 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:03,520 Yeah. 229 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,520 Historical event. 230 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:09,840 But frequently we want to, like when the story of creation, we want to make this story a 231 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,640 story of how something happened rather than what is God doing in the middle of it. 232 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,640 And can we, can we pause and just address one quick thing? 233 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,640 Sure. 234 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,680 This, this passage doesn't say if it was the whole world, if it was just a known world, 235 00:09:22,680 --> 00:09:24,440 if it was what, right? 236 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:25,440 It doesn't say that. 237 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:26,440 Correct. 238 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,080 So if you, if you, there are, I know there are people who make the argument of, well, 239 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:35,720 it was just like where Israel was, greater Mediterranean area, because that was the known 240 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:36,720 world at the time. 241 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:41,120 And then there's people who make the argument of like, oh no, it was the whole world. 242 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,120 It doesn't specify. 243 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,640 Also, I wasn't there, so I don't know. 244 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:44,640 Yeah. 245 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,800 And so what we're actually trying to figure out when we read the text is what is God trying 246 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,800 to talk to us about? 247 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,200 He's not actually trying to tell us about how he fled the world. 248 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,640 He's about, he's trying to tell us why and who God is in the middle of this. 249 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,560 And if you start in with the wrong question, you're always going to get the wrong answer. 250 00:09:58,560 --> 00:09:59,560 Yeah. 251 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,520 And sometimes, and a lot of times those details are irrelevant to the story. 252 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,240 Just to put it bluntly, I mean, there's so many times in scripture where we look at something 253 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,580 or like, okay, we need to figure out this minute detail. 254 00:10:10,580 --> 00:10:13,360 And then when you actually back up and view the whole picture of what's going on, like 255 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,960 that was actually irrelevant. 256 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:15,960 Yeah. 257 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:21,200 And had nothing to do with what God was actually trying to say to us. 258 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,400 So we're not gonna, we're not gonna dive too deep into the, the story itself, but I actually 259 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,760 want to, I want to point out once again, we're going to link in Baymaw's, Baymaw decided 260 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:30,760 to show up from Mars Solomon. 261 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,480 We're going to link in his episode where he talks about the flood because he's got some 262 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:35,800 great work on that. 263 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:36,800 Yeah. 264 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,880 But I'm going to assume that you are familiar with the story and I'm going to tell you that 265 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,080 once again, like Genesis one, this story is chiastic. 266 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:44,080 Yeah. 267 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,120 It is mirrored text and the point of the story is in the middle of the story. 268 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Yeah. 269 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,760 Or the point of the story is in the middle of the story. 270 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,320 So because you're going to go through and you're going to notice numbers and these numbers 271 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,200 are going to repeat and they're going to, they're a show up on the front end and on 272 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,680 the backend, you're going to look at them and you're going to be like, okay, well why? 273 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:04,920 And if you go into the center of the story, you're going to come up with this one spot 274 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,540 with the rains falling and all of these different things that are happening. 275 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:12,960 And it says that God remembered Noah. 276 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,300 Right? 277 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:16,960 This is, this is going to be the center of the chaos. 278 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,920 This is going to be the God remembered Noah. 279 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,920 Now if I am Israel, right? 280 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:31,040 Coming out of Egypt, 400 years of captivity, if once again, if we're assuming Moses' scholarship, 281 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:35,120 yeah, regardless Genesis was supposed to be heard in the voice of Moses, yeah, whether 282 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,760 or not it was actually written by Moses or his tales that he eventually penned, we're 283 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,360 not going to get into that conversation, but it's supposed to be heard in the voice of 284 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:42,360 Moses. 285 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,360 And so where are they hearing this coming out of 400 years of captivity in Egypt? 286 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Yeah. 287 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,680 So theoretically at the base of Sinai, they're hearing the story of their creation. 288 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,760 Like what is this story actually telling me about my God? 289 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:54,760 Yeah. 290 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Right? 291 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Well, who, who is this God that we're encountering? 292 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,100 Because we've already seen him as creator. 293 00:11:59,100 --> 00:12:00,900 He graces us for a purpose. 294 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:04,100 He is gracious to us even when we make mistakes. 295 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:06,760 He's always trying to give us ways to work our way back. 296 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,440 And then we see that we're progressively more and more evil and to the point where he's 297 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,440 got to eventually act. 298 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:13,560 He has to eventually act. 299 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,360 He at some point has to know when to say enough. 300 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,440 Yeah. 301 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,200 He knew when to say enough when he was creating. 302 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,760 And as Marty Solomon is going to say, and I'm just stealing his quote here, God also 303 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,880 knows when to say no enough to destroy it. 304 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,480 Well, and relate that to the good parent. 305 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Right? 306 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:37,840 Like, so for me, I love my daughter dearly. 307 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,120 That's always a good way to start this. 308 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,960 I love my daughter dearly. 309 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,280 I love her dearly. 310 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,280 Right. 311 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,560 But there's moments where it's like, okay, enough is enough. 312 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:48,560 Yeah. 313 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:49,560 Right. 314 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,360 You were over at our house a couple days ago. 315 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,360 I knew you were going to say this. 316 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,240 And you're trying to get her ready to go. 317 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,160 And you're like, all right, I'm going to count to five. 318 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,800 And I was like, dude, if he gets to five, it's all over. 319 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,280 It is all over. 320 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,920 And she's just like, and I was like, she has no idea. 321 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Like he is holding all the Gracie Cameron. 322 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:10,400 Yeah. 323 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,080 Yeah, so I mean, but it's like, we know this as parents, right? 324 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Like we always want to have grace with our kids, but we can only let things go so far. 325 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Yeah. 326 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,800 Right? 327 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,040 And I was like, we tend to look at the world differently than I think God does. 328 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,040 Right. 329 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,800 Because I've said once again, we look at it as God's building a fence. 330 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:30,800 Yeah. 331 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,800 He's raising sons and daughters. 332 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Yeah. 333 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:33,800 Right. 334 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,000 And we miss the point of what what earth is about. 335 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:38,760 Yeah. 336 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:44,320 So the the interesting thing about this, we have talked about, we actually haven't talked 337 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,080 about it yet on the podcast, but you and I have talked about this whole Caesarian Basel 338 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,080 covenant. 339 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Yeah. 340 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,080 Right. 341 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,560 So that's a fancy way of saying like old time covenant, where one person is has more authority 342 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,520 and one person is less. 343 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:03,160 And in this story, if I'm looking at Noah and God, who is the creator birdie? 344 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,160 God. 345 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Definitely God in this story. 346 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,400 If you're saying Noah, then then give us a call and we'll set you straight a little 347 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,400 bit lovingly, of course. 348 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,400 Yeah. 349 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:18,480 So whose responsibility would it be to remind the greater party that, hey, I'm still here, 350 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,840 please don't destroy me? 351 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,480 It'd be Noah's. 352 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,480 Right. 353 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,280 Except God remembers Noah. 354 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,520 God remembers. 355 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,720 One of the things you have to understand about like Egyptian gods, like they didn't care 356 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,240 about the lives of morals. 357 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,240 They don't care. 358 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Yeah. 359 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:39,320 So your job is to appease God. 360 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:44,000 I think sometimes in the church, we still live with this mentality. 361 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Yeah. 362 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:46,400 I was talking today. 363 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,800 I got to, I got to preach with a friend of mine. 364 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,600 Was a great, great time. 365 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,880 But I said today, I said, maybe sometimes we run to anger because we don't really know 366 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,720 what it means to love. 367 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,160 It's like something we understand. 368 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,160 We understand anger. 369 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,800 We don't understand love. 370 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,400 And God is just like inviting us into this position. 371 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,040 He says, no, no, no, I'm the God who remembers. 372 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,920 And you're like, well, Ben, but this is in a story of mass destruction. 373 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,000 Okay. 374 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,600 I hear you. 375 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,320 And we can debate that till the cows come home. 376 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,400 I think that's a farming sag, right? 377 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,400 Sure. 378 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,840 I mean, it is now. 379 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,920 There's probably somebody in the Midwest who's like, yeah, go Alaska. 380 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,160 And I was like, yeah, cows come home. 381 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Well, they're either like, yeah, go Alaska or like, don't ever say that. 382 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,920 And I don't ever say that again. 383 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:41,320 But so, but God is giving us this invitation, right? 384 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:46,520 To know him in a different way. 385 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,160 Because the Israelites are hearing this story and they're like, hey, you are not, or God 386 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,540 is not who you think he is. 387 00:15:52,540 --> 00:15:55,720 He is not some God who's sitting off like just upset with you. 388 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,400 He's a God of relationship. 389 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,560 And he's a God that remembers. 390 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,920 He's a God who actually gives up his right to not have to remember and chooses to remember. 391 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,840 And so I can hear the keyboards clicking away, right? 392 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,160 And being like, well, what about, you know, blah, blah, blah. 393 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:12,160 Okay. 394 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,960 Well, let's go to the end of the story, right? 395 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,920 God makes this covenant with Noah and he says, come out of the ark, you and your wife and 396 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,080 your sons and your wives, right? 397 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you, the birds, the animals, all the 398 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,920 creatures that move along the ground so they can multiply on the earth and be free, full 399 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,920 increase on in number on it. 400 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,760 By the way, same mandate he was given originally, right? 401 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,560 Now the animals are going to do the same thing. 402 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,360 Noah comes out, all of them come out, they all build an altar to the Lord and sacrifices. 403 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,400 The Lord smells the pleasing aroma and said in his heart, never again will I curse the 404 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,560 ground because of humans. 405 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,180 Okay. 406 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:51,320 By the way, you should hear earlier in Genesis, cursed to the ground because of you. 407 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,360 Never again will I curse the ground because of humans. 408 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,960 Even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood and never again 409 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,280 will I destroy all living creatures as I have done. 410 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,520 As long as the earth endures, see time and harvest cold and heat, summer and winter, 411 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,120 day and night will never cease. 412 00:17:08,120 --> 00:17:13,160 Then God bless them and said, be fruitful and increase the numbers and fill the earth. 413 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,920 Um, there's actually, there's actually an interesting tie in there. 414 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,920 Yeah. 415 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:25,760 If you jump back to chapter six, uh, and this is where God's actually, we're picking up, 416 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,000 picking up kind of around verse 11 where God's actually talking to Noah a little bit where 417 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,840 he's like, where he's like, uh, I've decided to destroy all living creatures for they have 418 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:36,840 filled the earth with violence. 419 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,280 Yes, I will wipe them all out from the earth, build a boat from Cypress wood. 420 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,240 And then he goes into the definition of what the boat should look like. 421 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,280 Um, jump ahead to verse 17 now says, look, I'm about to cover the earth with a flood, 422 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:54,160 destroy all living things that breeze everything on it will die, but I will confirm my covenant 423 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:55,540 with you. 424 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:57,040 What covenant are we talking about? 425 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:03,520 Like, cause we often, we take this passage right here and we jump over to the rainbow 426 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:04,520 in the sky. 427 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:05,520 Right? 428 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,320 So what covenant is he actually talking about? 429 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,040 I'm going to confirm my covenant with you. 430 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,480 What covenant is he actually talking about? 431 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,000 I'm going to confirm my covenant with you. 432 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:21,480 So the only real time we have at this point in the story, looking back would be the covenant 433 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:27,100 he has with mankind with Adam and the loving gracious father that he is. 434 00:18:27,100 --> 00:18:31,680 So then this, this next covenant, this is what we were going to call the Noahic covenant. 435 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:32,680 Yeah. 436 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,280 Cause the first one would be the Adamic covenant and or Eveic. 437 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,820 I'm just going to give it to Eve. 438 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:40,800 So that's probably not right. 439 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,200 Um, so this is the Noahic covenant. 440 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,920 And so God actually steps it up a little bit more because he says, uh, I'm not going to 441 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,960 flood the earth again because of, uh, man. 442 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:49,960 Yeah. 443 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,200 Or we're not going to show the earth again with water and I'm going to put my covenant 444 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,640 and my sign of the covenant in the sky. 445 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:55,640 Yeah. 446 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,000 It's going to re rainbow, but specifically he says, I'm going to put my bow in the sky. 447 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 Yeah. 448 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:07,400 And the interesting thing about the bow is, um, the, the side that is arched, it is actually, 449 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,920 it actually points at the thing that it would attack. 450 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:10,920 Yeah. 451 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,360 And so a rainbow, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, points out points at the sky, which 452 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:19,160 is essentially where, uh, what people from this era would have thought where that got 453 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,120 where God is, you know, that's God's wrong above the sky. 454 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:25,680 And so God says, I'm going to put the bow in the sky is going to point at me. 455 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,120 And when I see it, I will remember. 456 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:33,960 Now this is crazy because God's not supposed to have to remember any of this. 457 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,320 He doesn't keep the sign of the covenant. 458 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,800 The vassal does that. 459 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,800 Right. 460 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,460 He doesn't remember the vassal does that. 461 00:19:40,460 --> 00:19:44,160 He doesn't have to be responsible for keeping the covenant and at least unless it's brought 462 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,160 up. 463 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,160 And yet God says that this is who our God is. 464 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,760 He's the guy that says, I'm going to remember, I'm going to keep the covenant. 465 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,120 You're really bad at losing things. 466 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,280 And then so I put it in the sky as you can't lose it. 467 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Uh, incidentally, there's a covenant that he makes with, uh, Abram. 468 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,480 That's also very hard to lose. 469 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,480 Yeah. 470 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,880 That's so, uh, but like this is who God is. 471 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:07,880 Right. 472 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:08,880 Yeah. 473 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:09,880 Like this is who God is. 474 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,920 And there's a story where we talked about like mass destruction. 475 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,560 We're like, Oh, God's destroying the heavens and the earth and, and all these things. 476 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,480 I was like, when you actually read the story and you're like, what is the story actually 477 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,480 trying to talk to me about? 478 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,120 Isn't actually trying to talk to me about the heavens and the earth being destroyed. 479 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,160 No, man, that's not what it's even trying to talk to me about. 480 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:32,520 It's trying to tell me who my God is and how God is always going to redeem the remnant. 481 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,520 Yeah. 482 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,560 And let's pause for a second. 483 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,520 Take that, take that covenant, that bow pointing in the sky. 484 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,120 God put it there as a reminder to himself. 485 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:43,120 Right? 486 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:50,240 So here you have God saying, I, here's a reminder to myself that I'm not going to do this again. 487 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,200 Right? 488 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,000 How many parents do that? 489 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,520 How many good parents do that? 490 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,440 Three, three, three, three grass. 491 00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,760 How many good parents do that? 492 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Like they were, they're like, okay, what I did, like, I'm going to set this reminder 493 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,080 for myself that this is how I treat my kid. 494 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,880 Right? 495 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:16,320 Because, I mean, you're a dad, I'm a dad. 496 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:23,800 There are days where I just want to, where like, I have to exercise a lot of patience. 497 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Right? 498 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,120 There are days where I have to exercise a lot of self-control. 499 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:35,120 Whenever we go somewhere, it could be five minutes out the door or 45 minutes to get 500 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,120 out the door. 501 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,120 Right? 502 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:40,280 So then you plan and you're like, okay, well, I'm going to like plan for the 45 minutes. 503 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,280 And when it takes five minutes, you're like, I have a lot of time to kill. 504 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Right? 505 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:51,120 Or, or I'm just going to show up really early to something because that's what it is. 506 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:55,600 I also do feel like my kids have the ability to take more time, like inversely proportionate 507 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,960 to how badly I have to pee. 508 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Oh yeah. 509 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,960 100%. 510 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Like if I have to pee a ton, they take forever. 511 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,320 I don't have to go at all. 512 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,680 They're like, boom, let's go. 513 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,680 Yeah. 514 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,680 Yeah. 515 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,680 Right? 516 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,520 So it's God who he's reminding himself that he's not going to do this again. 517 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,760 And he's putting that reminder out there for us that he's not going to do this again. 518 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,600 It's a two-way reminder, but he's taking full responsibility. 519 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Right? 520 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,600 Right? 521 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:19,880 The flood was not your fault. 522 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:20,880 Yeah. 523 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,360 It had nothing, like in one sense, it had nothing to do with you. 524 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,360 Right? 525 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,360 Right? 526 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:31,120 It was God, it was God acting how God said he was going to act and hanging reminding 527 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,600 himself now that we're not going to do that again. 528 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:35,600 Right? 529 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,400 Yeah, I think sometimes you have to step out. 530 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,040 So I literally believe that the Bible is true. 531 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,600 I also don't believe everything that talks about is literal. 532 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Just read Revelation sometime and you'll probably agree with me. 533 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:51,520 I believe that in a literary sense, that's not what the Bible is trying to tell me. 534 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,480 Like the book is written in such a way that there's an invitation. 535 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,440 And once again, it's not written by Western writers. 536 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 It's not trying to tell us a story of how. 537 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,560 The Jews are trying to help us in their story, who and why. 538 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Who are these people? 539 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:07,560 Why? 540 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,560 Why did God do this? 541 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,280 Who is this God? 542 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,400 Because they don't know him. 543 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,260 And I would argue that in a lot of ways we don't either, because I don't know how many 544 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:22,200 Christians I've run into that just think God is one wrong move away from getting like, 545 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,200 like just like pulling out the paddleboard. 546 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,620 Right? 547 00:23:26,620 --> 00:23:33,000 Like we exist in this capacity where we, God's not mad at you. 548 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,640 He's not mad at you. 549 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Like okay, we talked about, I talked about this today. 550 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Right? 551 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,080 And I said, uh, Jesus is God. 552 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,400 Jesus drinks the cup of God's holy wrath. 553 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:49,920 So God made flesh drinks God's cup of holy wrath. 554 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,280 It's his wrath. 555 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,560 And he drank it. 556 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,720 Sounds very much like a covenant he's making with himself. 557 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,720 Right? 558 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:57,960 God is not mad at you. 559 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,600 And I get this thing where people are like, oh, the God of the Old Testament, he's firing, 560 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,600 he's brimstone. 561 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,120 Jesus told us, I represent the father perfectly. 562 00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,640 And I was like, so one of the two things is wrong. 563 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Either you misunderstand the Old Testament or you don't understand Jesus. 564 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,960 So either one of those things need to be fixed. 565 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,440 Oh yes, completely. 566 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,560 And, and I've heard people say that when you're referring to a non-Arab god in Genesis, where 567 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,920 they jump ahead to first, second Kings, first, second Samuel, Chronicles, those books. 568 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,760 And they're like, what about when God wiped these people out or wiped these people out? 569 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,200 Or like all those things. 570 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,760 I was like, okay, well, if we want to talk about that, we can, but you have to understand 571 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,520 that in most cases that pretty much in every case that that happened, one of the two things 572 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,520 was going on. 573 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,120 One, there's punishment for his kids. 574 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:47,960 Okay. 575 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800 Or he was freeing those kids. 576 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,280 Right. 577 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,800 One of those two things was happening. 578 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Also when, can we also say when God's anger is burning against the Israelites, like we're 579 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:07,320 dealing with like 80 years of them engaging in the worship of Melek. 580 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480 And guys, I'm not going to talk about it on the podcast. 581 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,080 Go look up the worship of Melek. 582 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,080 It is horrid. 583 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,960 It is horrid. 584 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:21,240 I talked to my wife about it once and like she had nightmares because it's, it's that 585 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240 horrific of the kind of things that were happening. 586 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:30,880 And God in the middle of that is like patiently waiting, patiently waiting and trying to bring 587 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,880 his kids back around. 588 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,880 Yeah. 589 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,000 And I was like, but sometimes God has to say enough. 590 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,440 And I think the tendency in Christianity is we're like, oh, enough. 591 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,700 And I was like, dude, you don't even have patience at all. 592 00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:49,080 Like you're upset because somebody questioned your theology and you're like, they are done 593 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,880 with me or I'm done with them. 594 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,880 Right. 595 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,560 And the guy that that's not patience. 596 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,200 No, that that's not even the right time to like rise up. 597 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,200 No. 598 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:05,400 And, and here's another interesting tidbit about this before we jump back to Genesis, 599 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:12,560 but every time the Israelites scattered, they were non-Israelite people who came to know 600 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,960 God. 601 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,120 Book of Daniel, right? 602 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:23,080 Book of Daniel chapter four at the end of it, Nebuchadnezzar, right? 603 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,440 Conquest guy, conquest guy. 604 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,640 He built a statue to himself. 605 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,160 A big one said, worship me. 606 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,480 He threw people on a fiery furnace for not worshiping. 607 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,480 Right. 608 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,200 He had multiple encounters with God, right? 609 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,640 You want to end. 610 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,280 He had time where he drew close to God, walked away from God, drew close to God, walked away 611 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:41,280 from God. 612 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,280 He had all the sounds. 613 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,280 Okay. 614 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040 End of chapter four. 615 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:52,960 Nebuchadnezzar says, I Nebuchadnezzar, praise and worship the one and true God. 616 00:26:52,960 --> 00:27:01,640 So a king of a hostile, brutal, violent nation was drawn to God because Israelites were scattered. 617 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,360 Yeah. 618 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,920 But four of them were faithful to the call of God. 619 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Four. 620 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:09,920 Four. 621 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:17,560 They were faithful and the most powerful man in the world came to know God. 622 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,880 Let's raise the ante a little more. 623 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,200 Esther in Babylonian captivity, becoming Persia, right? 624 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:30,480 She is faithful to where God puts her in the situation and saved the whole remnant because 625 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,000 she's faithful in some very questionable circumstances. 626 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,600 She's faithful and God uses a little bit of faithfulness in questionable circumstances 627 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:45,120 to help heal an entire nation. 628 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,120 God is about restoration. 629 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:47,120 Yeah. 630 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,120 God is about redemption. 631 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,720 And if you read the Old Testament and all you can see is conquest, you are reading it 632 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,440 with fainted glasses. 633 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,400 Now I want to be fully aware. 634 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,240 I want to acknowledge that conquest is there. 635 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,240 Right? 636 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,400 It's there. 637 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:08,760 God speaks into their circumstances and does things in order to put his will on display. 638 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,880 Yeah. 639 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,120 Just because there was conquest in the Old Testament does not mean that's what God wanted. 640 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,120 Yeah. 641 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,120 Okay. 642 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,280 Now don't mishear me. 643 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,440 I'm not saying it didn't accomplish God's will. 644 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,600 I'm saying it's not necessarily what he wanted. 645 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,960 He puts Israel at the smack dab of the middle of the nations so that everybody would have 646 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:25,960 to go through them. 647 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,960 Okay. 648 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,640 Now let's go back to Noah because we're all over the place. 649 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,840 But the good thing is, is like both Daniel, both Esther, there's actually good tight ends 650 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,360 to Noah, but God is doing the same thing. 651 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,240 Technically he's doing the same thing with Daniel and Esther that he did with Noah. 652 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,240 Yeah. 653 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Right? 654 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,960 Or he's saying there's so much evil, but I'm going to wait till I find someone who is faithful. 655 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Right. 656 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,040 And I'm going to use them. 657 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,480 To reoccur in the name of the Bible. 658 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,120 It comes over and over and over again. 659 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,480 Yeah. 660 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Which also brings up for us living today, are you going to be a person when God's looking 661 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,480 at you and you'll be found? 662 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,480 Yeah. 663 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,400 And like, please don't hear me say, I'm not saying that you can save yourself. 664 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,400 I'm not saying any of this. 665 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,400 It's like you're always saved by the redemptive work of Jesus Christ in your life and the 666 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,080 empowerment of the Holy Spirit. 667 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,080 Yeah. 668 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,360 But God's also looking for people who are like, Hey, maybe you're looking for someone. 669 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,520 I'm right here. 670 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,520 You can't see me. 671 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,480 I raise my hand, which is pointless on podcasts because you can't see it. 672 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,480 It's a vision. 673 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,480 Yeah. 674 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,320 He's looking for people who are like, I'm right here and I'm ready to go. 675 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,360 If you are looking for somebody to stand in the gap, if you're looking for someone who 676 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,840 takes the hit for the other person, I am right here. 677 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,840 I'm ready to go on. 678 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,280 God goes, that's someone I can use. 679 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,680 That's somebody who actually takes the mission of losing Ford. 680 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,760 Taking a posture by Isaiah and saying, hearing God said me. 681 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,880 You know, if my hope is a little off here, but let's just talk about Isaiah for a minute. 682 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,680 One of my favorite things about Isaiah, because in Christian numb today, we are like, you 683 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:08,680 are a worthless sinner and you need to repent or else God's judgment is going to come on 684 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:09,680 here. 685 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,800 I was like, well, first of all, Bible says God's judgment is already on you. 686 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,200 So it's not coming on to it's already on you. 687 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:19,200 I was like, second of all, when I read the Bible, like stories about when people encounter 688 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,040 God, they very rarely had to be convinced of their sin. 689 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,040 Yeah. 690 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,040 So you look at Isaiah, he says, in the year the king is, I died. 691 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,800 I saw the Lord, uh, high and exalted seat on a throne, the train of rope filled the 692 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,020 temple with glory. 693 00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:37,400 And he sees God and he goes, whoops, I shouldn't be here. 694 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Right? 695 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,960 I mean, essentially that's what he said. 696 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:40,960 Uh huh. 697 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,200 He's like, I should not be here. 698 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,640 I'm a man of unclean lips and I live among the people of unclean lips. 699 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:46,640 Now listen to what God does. 700 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920 I say, yeah, you're right. 701 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,920 Repet. 702 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,760 He takes the call. 703 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,960 He comes over with the, the angel. 704 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,960 He touches him. 705 00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:00,080 He's like, all right, now you're clean. 706 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,200 Isaiah was fully aware of how sinful he is. 707 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Yeah. 708 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,200 So me and so, and in response to that, Isaiah, now they're like, who are we going to set? 709 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,680 He's like, I'll go send me. 710 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,160 And then God gives him his mission. 711 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Right? 712 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,400 It's interesting that God doesn't require him as an addition of finding forgiveness 713 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,000 that he obeys. 714 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,000 Yeah. 715 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Yeah. 716 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,800 Very interesting. 717 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,840 Yeah. 718 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,840 So today, when we, when we interact with people, cause we're talking about wickedness of the 719 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240 world, it's getting destroyed and all of these different things that are going on here. 720 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,240 Right? 721 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:37,160 And we're going to talk about a story next about Noah that is really sketchy. 722 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,440 Our job is to present God, to present Jesus, because when people encounter the authentic 723 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,320 Jesus, we don't need to tell them about their sin. 724 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,320 They're fully aware. 725 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Yeah. 726 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,800 The problem is most people aren't fully aware because they never encounter authentic Jesus. 727 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,880 They never encounter the holiness, the goodness, the redemptive power, the restorative power 728 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160 of who Jesus is. 729 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Because the one that we give him, give them is inadequate. 730 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,320 We give them a God who's like, I'll forgive you if, no, no, I'll forgive you when you 731 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,520 come to me. 732 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,120 So here's a question. 733 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,040 Do we interpret Jesus through the lens of an angry God and think Jesus is fulfilling 734 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,040 an angry God? 735 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,920 Or do we interpret Jesus through the lens of a loving God? 736 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,920 Just on that for a second. 737 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,400 We're going to ask it again. 738 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,260 Do we interpret Jesus through the lens of our perception of an angry God? 739 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:33,440 Or do we interpret Jesus through the lens of our perception of a loving God? 740 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,600 Because it is key that you understand which lens you are interpreting Jesus through, because 741 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,320 it is going to change how you view it. 742 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:48,320 If you are interpreting Jesus through the lens of fulfillment of angry God judgment 743 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,800 in the Old Testament, you vastly missed the point. 744 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,960 Jesus came and he said, the kingdom of heaven is near. 745 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,080 Repent. 746 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,920 Which can I rephrase that a little bit differently? 747 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,840 Like when you actually take the Greek, the kingdom of heaven is here and ready for you 748 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,160 to interact with it. 749 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Come back to who you're supposed to be. 750 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,680 It is not far away. 751 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,440 It is right here. 752 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,240 Come back to who you're supposed to be. 753 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,920 The word repent is Shuvah. 754 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,920 Right? 755 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,920 It means come back. 756 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,920 Return. 757 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:25,920 Return to the path. 758 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:26,920 Right? 759 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240 Because here's the thing. 760 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,660 If you are saying Jesus is fulfillment of who God is and you're viewing God as an angry 761 00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:38,320 God in the Old Testament, how you're going to live life is you're going to be an angry 762 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,640 Christian woman throughout your life. 763 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Right? 764 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,680 Versus if you're viewing Jesus as the fulfillment of a loving God in the Old Testament, you're 765 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880 going to love your neighbor. 766 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:49,880 Yeah. 767 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,240 No, I'm with you 100%. 768 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,400 And I think your question, the rhetorical one, I was like, go visit some churches in 769 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,760 America and the answer is pretty clear. 770 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,880 Right? 771 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:09,720 One of the reoccurring themes in worship music right now is dead coming back to life. 772 00:34:09,720 --> 00:34:13,320 And one of the things that God is speaking to me about is he's not just talking about 773 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,760 the literal dead, but also the spiritually dead. 774 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,560 Because a lot of the church in America specifically is walking around like a zombie. 775 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,560 And it is time to come alive. 776 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,080 I listened to a guy the other day and he made a claim. 777 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,420 He said, young people are not walking away from God in the US. 778 00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:37,200 They're walking away from the church. 779 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,520 And we're interpreting that as them walking away from God. 780 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:48,080 When I heard that, I stopped and I thought, and the point that he was making was that 781 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,280 people want to know God. 782 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,840 They want to know who God is. 783 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,280 They want to know what God has from them. 784 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,440 They want to know the redemption of Jesus Christ in our life, the work of Christ in 785 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,920 our life. 786 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,040 They're just not seeing it in a church and the vast majority of churches that is. 787 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,040 Yeah. 788 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,800 And that, and just so you know, we're not actually talking down about churches. 789 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,200 We love the church. 790 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,200 Absolutely. 791 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:11,640 We love the church. 792 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,720 We are very actively involved in our church every Sunday. 793 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:24,440 We also have the capacity to look at what we're doing and be like, it's not right. 794 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,240 And at times Spencer and I have heard of the problem. 795 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,160 Like we've got to get better. 796 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:36,200 Like there are certain times like the stuff comes out and I exchange words and it's not 797 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,840 Jesus words. 798 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,520 So, but okay. 799 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,520 So all these things being said, we, I love this. 800 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:43,800 I've been loving all this. 801 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:50,320 So, so when I look at the story of the flood, right, I want to look at this story as like, 802 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,880 what do I actually learn about who God is? 803 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,980 Because that's what's going to help me understand about who that is all throughout the old Testament 804 00:35:55,980 --> 00:36:00,320 and who Jesus is and what I'm supposed to be following after as I listen to the Holy 805 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,320 Spirit. 806 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,320 Right. 807 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:09,280 And what I hear in here is a God who takes both sides of the covenant who is looking 808 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,640 for redemptive purposes. 809 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,640 He might say that he's looking for the gold in the mud. 810 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,640 Yeah. 811 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,640 Right. 812 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,440 I see a God who is just really passionate about finding a way to make, bring his kids 813 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,440 home. 814 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,440 Right. 815 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,440 Yeah. 816 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,520 To really like save the remnant, use the remnant to save the world. 817 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,640 Yeah. 818 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,280 I also just, I just see this God who is just overexuberant and he doesn't change because 819 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,440 like after they come out of the flood, their mandate is exactly. 820 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480 If you haven't picked up anything in this podcast, where we're coming through Torah 821 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,440 and we're talking about the ways of God, we're trying to understand who is God in context, 822 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:54,680 in love, so that when we go and walk this out, we put him on display and not ourselves. 823 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:59,640 And if you're wondering, okay, where are we getting this idea of that God is love? 824 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,640 Okay. 825 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160 Let's, let's jump over first John. 826 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,240 Like first John talks about Jesus being loved. 827 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:07,160 Jesus talks about himself being gotten. 828 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,160 Right. 829 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:15,040 So if Jesus is, if first John's calling Jesus love and Jesus calls himself God, God is love. 830 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,680 That is the connection right there. 831 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,440 He is a loving God. 832 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,720 He is the embodiment of a loving God. 833 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:22,720 He loves you. 834 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,840 I'm going to say it again. 835 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520 He loves you. 836 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,360 The love does not mean that he's going to let you get away with whatever you want. 837 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,360 Right? 838 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,360 That's not what love means. 839 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,360 He loves you. 840 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:37,360 He cares for you. 841 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,200 He wants the best for you, but you're not, he's not going to give you everything you 842 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,880 want. 843 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,800 What he is going to give you is what you need, which is himself. 844 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:59,000 So and not just the new Testament either because in Exodus 34, there is this passage where 845 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,240 Moses asked for God to pass in front of him. 846 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,240 Right. 847 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,720 And, and there's a statement, this phrase that comes out and it's actually one of the 848 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,720 most repeated phrases in the Bible about the nature of God. 849 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:18,400 And so it starts in verse six, it says, he passed in front of Moses proclaiming the Lord, 850 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:26,880 the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, 851 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:34,520 maintaining love to thousands and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. 852 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,600 Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished. 853 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,520 He punishes the children and their children for the sin of their parents to the third 854 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,880 and fourth generation. 855 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:48,240 We read that and we hear third and fourth generation and we missed the thousands, thousands 856 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:55,000 on thousands of bounding and love, but he will administer justice because he can't leave 857 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,960 things unsettled. 858 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,240 But God's main goal is going to be to bring me home. 859 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:07,160 And so we're sitting around as a church and we're like, man, God is just mad at us and 860 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,880 God is not mad. 861 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,640 God loves you and he wants you in relationship with him and he's going to do everything this 862 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,920 side of eternity to make that happen. 863 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,400 All right, guys, we enjoy this one. 864 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,040 If you have any thoughts, send us an email at loveincontext.gmail.com. 865 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,260 Also you can catch us on Instagram at loveincontext. 866 00:39:27,260 --> 00:39:32,560 We've got some real reels going on there and, you know, give us a follow. 867 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,280 You can write us comments, complaints or messages or messages directly. 868 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,680 Yeah, we're messaged us directly. 869 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000 I'm sure at some point we're going to get some bots or trying to get us to buy random 870 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,000 things. 871 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,000 So that'll be fun too. 872 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000 We don't buy random things. 873 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:44,840 All right. 874 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,920 Thank you so much for listening today. 875 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:54,960 We hope you enjoyed this podcast and we hope that you got something out of it. 876 00:39:54,960 --> 00:40:01,400 If you have any questions, please contact us at loveincontext.gmail.com. 877 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,960 You can also follow us on Instagram and message us through there. 878 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,320 Instagram is love and context. 879 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:14,080 Again, loveincontext.gmail.com or Instagram are the two ways to get ahold of us if you 880 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,080 would like. 881 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,360 Thank you once again. 882 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,480 We really appreciate you being here. 883 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:45,480 God bless.