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Welcome to the Love and Context podcast, an unscripted conversation with Ben and Spencer.

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Today we're going to be talking about creation and God's design for his people and how men

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and women fit into that.

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Yeah.

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So if you have not done so, you need to go read Genesis 1 and 2 or just pause the episode

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or grab your Bible, open it up to Genesis 1 and 2.

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That's what we're going to be referencing a lot of today.

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Yeah.

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And there are...

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So we are not going to be getting into the deep theological scholarship of this because

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it's an unscripted conversation.

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Yeah.

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A couple of resources, and you can include this on our page, something we're going to

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come back to on a pretty free-fun basis.

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The Baymah podcast with Marty Solomon.

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It's a great resource in understanding the Bible from a Jewish perspective.

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You really like the Bible Projects.

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Bible Project is great.

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I have a five-year-old who wants to learn more about the Bible, so we're a four-year-old.

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She's almost five.

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But Bible Project is great.

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It's entertaining, it captivates you, and it actually goes quite theologically deep

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on a lot of topics.

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And I would say in Torah specifically, there is a guy by the name of Rabbi David Foreman,

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who is an Orthodox Jew.

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He just has a very good handle on Torah.

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Now understand he's not a follower of Jesus, but he's going to have some really good insight

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into the Hebrew, and so I would recommend a lot of his books.

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Specifically, he has a book called The Beast that Crouches at the Door, which is really

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good.

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It's actually something we're going to be talking about next week, but it's very good.

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Yeah.

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Very good material.

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Yeah.

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A couple of things that we were not going to address, and if you have opinions on this

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and want to write to us, that's great, but we're just not going to address it.

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We're probably not going to address, was the world created in seven literal days, or was

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it seven million years, seven billion years, whatnot?

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This actually doesn't have anything to do with the text here.

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That's not the point of what this passage is talking about.

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You're welcome to write us and state your arguments on that, but we are probably not

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going to address it on this podcast.

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We've also heard most of those arguments, and they are fairly irrelevant to the text

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at this point.

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I would say that what we're going to be talking about today is we're proceeding with the assumption

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that you believe God created the heavens and the earth in some capacity.

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And that what the Bible is talking about here matters to you, and with that, we're going

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to agree and move forward.

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Yes.

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So we're not going to get into semantics about was a thousand years a day, was a day a thousand

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years, or any of those things.

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We don't even want to talk about that because we actually want to talk about what is this

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story.

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And once again, understanding from a Jewish perspective is going to be really key.

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That's why we recommended checking out Baymah Podcasts.

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We're going to shout them out a lot.

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So let's get into this.

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So Genesis 1.

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So scholarship on this, theological and scholarship from Bible scholars, look at this as a poem.

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There's a word called a chiasm that's very familiar in Middle Eastern literature.

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And it's a mirrored text, and it shows up all throughout the Old Testament.

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But Genesis 1 is a great example of this.

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It's mirrored text where you have something that happens, something that happens, something

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that happens, and then it repeats itself down.

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Now we could diagram this out, but I think Marty Solomon does a great job.

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But just understand that there is a art form in the way this is being written.

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So you and I, we use a five paragraph essay.

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That's not what Middle Eastern people use.

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They use chiasms.

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And it's not right or wrong.

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It's just different.

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And you need to understand that when you're interpreting literature.

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And so for us, we'd usually put the conclusion of our argument at the end of an essay and

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everything would build up to that.

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What you'll find in a chiasm or that structure of writing is that often the conclusion or

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the point that they're driving home is found in the middle.

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And so you actually see that over and over again in Genesis 1 where it'll say, where

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in the middle of each creation day, it'll say, and it was good.

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And then it'll reiterate what was good that was made.

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So the thing that we're taking a look at Genesis 1, because we want to talk about love and

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So when we talk about context for Genesis 1 and we're talking about what does this mean

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for the Christian life, I think very often, and you could chime in on this Spencer, I

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think very often we look at Genesis 1 and you talk about these arguments of how was

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the world created.

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We look at it through the lens of how.

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And that's not the right question.

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So we really have this story about why and who.

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And this because God is a relational God and honestly, God couldn't help us understand

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how he did it.

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Even if we, even if he like wrote us a textbook and it was like, hey, by the way, when I said

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that I spoke into the heavens and I said, let there be light, what that means is I gathered

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these electrons from nowhere and we don't know, we don't know how that works.

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And God couldn't explain it to us.

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In fact, in Job, Job is getting high and mighty and he goes, and God comes to him in a whirlwind

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and he asks him, I can't forget how many questions it is, but it's a lot.

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It's over 70 questions like in a row.

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And can we be really clear?

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Like Job is asking questions that we ask.

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Like he's not asking questions that are unique to just specifically Job.

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They're same questions that we actually ask when we're in hardship.

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Correct.

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And God's answer in all these things, he's not explaining to Job how he does any of these

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things.

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His point is, I know what's going on in you, don't, so maybe you should trust me.

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I want to come back to the who for a second.

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So in the text here, first verse, very first verse of the Bible says, God created the heavens

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and the earth.

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So it's establishing that God's the one who's created and he spoke everything into motion.

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You see that in verse three, it says in God said in verse six, God said verse nine, God

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said verse 14, and then God said verse 20, then God said, right?

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Like you're starting to sense a theme here, right?

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You're starting to sense a theme here and the sense of like, okay, it's not about how

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this happened.

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It's about who did it.

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It's almost like the fact that God speaks is more important than what happens.

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By the way, let's pause there and just say for the Christian existence, that is a piece

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that if you walked with that would radically change your faith.

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It's not about what actually happens.

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It's about who speaks.

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I love that you're back to percentages again.

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So and but we do want to note things about the literature.

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So like you said, and God said, and God said, after each day it says there was evening,

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there was morning, there was evening, there was morning because of course for the Jewish

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people day starts at night.

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You start your day with rest, which by the way, if you're coming from captivity of like

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400 years with the Egyptians, how awesome of a story is that to start out with?

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Your day starts with rest.

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And side note on that day, we'll probably get more into this a little bit later, but

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the day of rest never ended.

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Day seven never ended.

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Day seven doesn't have an end.

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So there's a few things going on in the story where it's not a scientific report.

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So when we interpret the story, what is the point of this?

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What is the point of the story?

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Like what questions should we be asking?

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So God's not trying to explain to us how he created the heavens and the earth.

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He's trying to explain to us who he is because if we if we look at this historically, where

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would they have received this at the beginning?

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Like the first time they would have heard this theoretically, if we take Moses's authorship,

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would have been out of Exodus.

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It would have been out of Exodus and at Sinai.

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So they're coming out of 400 years of captivity.

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And they're coming to this position and they're like, well, who is this God that brought us

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up?

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Because they don't know.

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They haven't been walking with them for 400 plus years.

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And they're faithful people.

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Like I don't want to get into that.

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But overall, there's people who are still serving the gods of the Egyptians, even when

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they're brought up by Yahweh.

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And so they're like, well, who is this God?

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And so God tells them the story in the beginning.

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I spoke and brought things out.

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But we talked about the chiasm, right?

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Now here's the juicy piece about that.

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In the middle of the chiasm, one of the main teachings of the sages and the rabbis is that

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creation comes around this piece, this word that is is muad, right?

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We use it to translate seasons, but it's also a word that is used to translate into Sabbath

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or rest or something of that nature.

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And so the whole story hinges around seasons and rest, which sounds a lot like what happens

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in day seven.

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Day seven, a day of rest never ends.

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And so at this point, man had been created.

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So we're kind of jumping ahead in the story.

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We might come back to some other pieces here.

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But at this point, man's been created.

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And so our design is to be with God and resting in his presence.

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In fact, actually, we were talking about this just before we kicked on the recording.

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I actually told you that actually God talks about making man in his image twice.

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Looking at verse 26, he says, then God said, let us make mankind in our image and our likeness

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so that they may rule over the fish and the sea and the birds of the sky, over the livestock

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and all the wild animals and over all the creatures that move along the ground.

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So that is the first mention of we're going to make man in our image.

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And it gives us our function.

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The original design is we're supposed to be like God and administer his rule on the world.

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That's our job.

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So God created mankind in his own image.

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It's a beautiful thing.

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I love that.

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Like, it's so good.

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I, I think we sometimes go past this too quickly.

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The word here actually being used as image.

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Do you know other places in the Bible, it's actually translated as idol.

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So the root word is actually a word that they would use for like these carbon idols.

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So now hear that in terms of the Exodus where God says don't have carbon idols.

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Why should you not have an idol of God?

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Because you're made in the image.

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Humanity is made in the image of God.

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And so if you try to make an idol, you're actually discrediting the very thing God created.

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Like when you try to physically make something, which by the way, let's, let's just go ahead

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and point out Greek culture and America is very much inherent from Greek culture.

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These stone like vigils of people, right?

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The Michelangelo.

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The David, right?

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We make these images of these people and to like lift them up, we might, we just might

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be missing what God was doing there.

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And please don't hear me here.

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Please don't hear me downing on the art.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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I'm talking about the intention behind the art is when you glorify humanity over God.

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So this is one of the most compelling arguments I've heard to say that this is actually a

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real true authentic story.

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So you have God who created everything.

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He spoke it into motion.

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He bent down.

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He formed a man and women in his own image and he created them, right?

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Chapter three, a little spoiler alert, we stepped away from God.

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We're going to talk about that another episode.

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And then what do we do in turn for the next thousands of years?

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We create, we build, like, and we find that everything we build fails, right?

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Because we have, because we're now in a fallen nature and everything's and things are broken

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on that front, but what God built lasts.

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And so to be, and so, but the point being is that we were made in his image and so we

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couldn't help but create.

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Right.

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So my wife just participated in an art event and she made this incredible, just incredibly

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complex dress.

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So as far as artists, like I'm a musician and I write when it comes to like actual like

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drawing any of those sort of things, like it is just not good.

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It is not good.

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Tara, you got the stick figures down?

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I got stick figures down.

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But my wife is, she has the eye for creating in visual representation.

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And when I was at the event and they were showing the dress that she made, I actually

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got a little bit emotional because I looked and I saw the hundreds of hours that went

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into making what was going on there.

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And sometimes I think we discredit our creation, our ability to create because we're actually

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made in the image of God who is a creator in his own, his own right.

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And and like that's where we get that from.

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And I was like, and so when we create, we actually put God on display or we put ourselves

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on display, which we'll talk about human nature, but this is the story that starts out at the

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very beginning.

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God is a creator.

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He loves his creation.

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You're made for rest.

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This is the place you're supposed to live from.

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You're supposed to work from.

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You have a role.

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It's to be my image in the world and put my, my legacy forward.

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And like in a day seven of rest that never ends, we're being invited into this.

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Now I want to point out chapter three comes, but we're not there yet.

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And I think a lot of the times in the Christian culture and you tell me what you think about

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this.

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We start in chapter three and we forget that chapter one exists.

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Oh, I'm resisting the urge to jump to chapter three right now.

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Like, like I so just want to jump to chapter three and start talking about it, but I'm

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resisting that urge because we're in one and two.

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You feel the evangelical pull to three.

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I feel, I feel the systematic pull of like, Hey, we have to start with this.

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When I was like, no, we got, and it's actually, we got started with creation.

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And I'm still, I still aligned from Baymont hot guests, which I think is a very good line

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in Marty Solomon, the story in its original telling the story is good.

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Yeah.

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It's a good creation.

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So let's take a look at chapter one again.

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We get to the very end.

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God has made man.

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And we're going to come back to this because we have some thoughts on this as we move forward,

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but God has made man and he comes back and he looks at it's right at actually at the

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beginning of chapter two.

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He says, thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

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By the seventh day, God had finished the work he had been doing.

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So on the seventh day, he rested from all his work, by the way, preach when you're done,

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be done at rest.

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Okay.

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Then God blessed the seventh day and he made it holy.

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I'm, we'll talk about that second, but because on it, he rested for all the work of creating

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that he had done.

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Sorry.

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I actually forgot in verse 31, God saw all that he made and it was very good.

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And there was evening and there was morning the sixth day.

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So when I say creation is good and the story was good and you're like, well, but chapter

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three, don't argue with me because I'm quoting God.

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He said that the story was very good right here.

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Yeah.

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And you're, you're just quoting one part of chapter one that says it was good.

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Yeah.

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He's been saying it the whole time.

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Like at the end of each day, it was good.

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Day one, good.

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Day two, good.

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Day three, good.

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Day four, good.

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Five, good.

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Six, good.

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I like how you had to commit all the way through.

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I did.

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I almost stopped at three and I was like, no, I'm going for it.

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Yeah.

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And so much so that we use the word holy.

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We say he, he makes the seventh day holy.

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Holy is a word means set apart, different from everything else.

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Right?

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So rest with God, life with God is actually separate from all of the creating, all of

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the working, everything about that.

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That is something different.

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And that is the place that never ends.

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And we're invited to go live into and we're invited to live into that today.

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Correct.

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Yeah.

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I mean, okay.

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So now if you have that foundational piece and you say from the very beginning, this

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is the story that you're supposed to get from Genesis one that you are made for, you are

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made for something.

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Yeah.

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You have an intention and it's very good.

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Yeah.

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You're made in the image of God.

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You're not valued by what you can produce.

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You're valued by whose image you're made in.

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Right?

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You have a calling on your life.

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Yeah.

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And it's very good.

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And you're invited to live in this restful communion with God and to work from there.

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Yeah.

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So that's the place we should be starting from.

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Yeah.

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And to put this in like practical context, both Ben and I have four year olds, right?

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We love our children dearly.

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So dearly.

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That probably sounded sarcastic, but I do.

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Ben sounds sarcastic about everything, but we love our children dearly, right?

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I do not love my daughter for what she can accomplish.

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Correct.

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Like I don't mean wrong.

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I love her accomplishments.

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The things she completes, the tasks that she does when she cleans up her room, like stuff

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like that.

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I love it.

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Love that.

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But I love my daughter because she is mine.

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Correct.

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Not because of what she can do.

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By the way, there's a word for parents that only like their kids for what they can do.

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It's called terrible.

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They're terrible parents.

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My kids do not have to earn my love.

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They've got it unconditionally and it's impossible to lose it.

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Yeah.

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That does not mean that they get away with everything they want.

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Yeah, man.

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I was like, being made in the image of God, I was like, and this is kind of this thing

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because I want to really point out and we're over emphasizing it here because the church

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has so de-emphasized it over the years.

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The statement that we hear all the time is you're a dirty rotten sinner.

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Jesus came and hippie Jesus came because he was all love and died on a cross and took

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everything that you deserved because the father was angry.

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He pours out his wrath, all these different things.

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And there's truth to that and we're going to get there.

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But at the same time, in the beginning, you were made in the image of God and you were

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created for a purpose.

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And you need to know that.

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This is the intention from the very beginning because the work of Christ brings us back

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to the beginning.

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That's what they talk about in Genesis chapter three, yet we somehow just jump right over

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the intention when he says, I'm getting to chapter three already, man, evangelical roots

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just kicking in here.

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Right, he's going to say, he's going to say, you know, the woman is going to crush the

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head of the serpent or the kid is going to crush the head of the serpent.

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You know, why?

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Because you need to come back to the garden.

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Revelation, you're coming back to the garden.

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Everything is coming back to the garden.

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Even in the gospel of John, Mary comes to the tomb and she mistakes Jesus for what?

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A gardener.

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Yep.

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Of course she does.

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Why?

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Because the idea of the garden, the pre fall world is now available through the life of

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Jesus Christ.

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And so understanding this for the Christian life is incredibly important because through

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Christ, that's the life we're supposed to live now.

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Yeah.

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And I just want to stop and ask the question, why do we skip over one and two?

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Oh, so yeah.

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Like, I mean, like, so like if we're starting the story at three and we're just already

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a little ways into the story, but we're like, hey, we're going to start our chapter three,

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but we skip over one and two reality is gospel of John.

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Very first part, he echoes back to chapter one and two in the beginning was the word.

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The word was with God.

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The word was God.

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Yeah.

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He echoes back to John and Genesis one and two.

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He doesn't, he doesn't start off by saying, Hey, you're a horrible sinner.

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You need forgiveness.

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He, he actually in, and side note, John's writing to a group of people who were not

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Jewish.

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Like they may have had some Jews in there, but it was a lot of Gentile believers who

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didn't have a big Jewish faith background.

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So he's writing to them and he doesn't start with, Hey, you're a sinner.

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He starts with, Hey, the one who came to Jesus was with God in the beginning when he created

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everything and everything is good.

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Right.

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You're going to see throughout the gospel of John, he's making a lot of Jewish references

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that he knows the Jews will catch and explain to the Gentiles around him.

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Yep.

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And so addressing the pagan culture directly at the same time, because John is just brilliant.

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Yeah.

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Brilliant.

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Like it's almost like he had help.

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Yeah.

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So coming back to this idea, right?

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So you're created for a purpose.

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You created to, to live from this purpose.

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You're created in the image of God and not only you're created in the image of God, but

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Spencer's created the image of God.

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So when I interact with Spencer, why do I have, let's come back to Jesus's big thing.

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Okay.

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Cause we talked about this in our intro podcast.

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You were going to love God and love our neighbor.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So why do I love my neighbor as myself?

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Cause like myself, they are the image of God.

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Yeah.

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And when you see somebody like whoever they are, drug addict, abusive husband, I'm trying

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to think of like terrible people, terrorist, but all of these people, we look at them and

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we see not who they are today, but who they can be through the redemptive work of Christ

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and as the image of God.

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Yeah.

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Being made in the image of God, it's, it's, oh man, it's tough, right?

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Like, and the reason I say it's tough is because I have neighbors.

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And when I say neighbors, like people in my community that I'm like, man, they're really

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hard to love.

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Right.

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And, but that doesn't matter because they are made in the image of God and I am called

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to love them.

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Correct.

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Correct.

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And so, and, and when you start viewing it this way and you start thinking of, okay,

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what happens when I don't love those who are made in the image of God?

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Well, I can tell you exactly what you look like.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so, and so then we, as believers, we wonder, we wonder like, well, man, why don't people

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want more of what we have?

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Yeah.

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And it's like, well, because you're not loving those who are made in the image of God.

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Right.

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And in turn, if you're not loving them, what are you doing?

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Right.

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And so, I was talking about today, I was closing out as in the Gospel of John.

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So you already know love your neighbor as yourself.

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Right.

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And then Jesus says, a new command I give to you.

497
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You're not going to love your neighbor as you love yourself.

498
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:52,600
Yeah.

499
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,760
You're going to love each other as I have loved you.

500
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:56,760
Yeah.

501
00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,720
And I was talking about that at church and I was sitting there, I was like, man, I feel

502
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,720
conviction.

503
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:02,720
Uh huh.

504
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,480
I was like, cause it's not even just how I love myself.

505
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,480
It's beyond that.

506
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,760
Because we're going to talk about what God does.

507
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,320
But even in the story of the creation, it's littered with love of God all over it.

508
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,200
Funny side note to this, I was supposed to go up on stage and play guitar and I was just

509
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,800
so like into what Pastor was saying and what Ben was saying.

510
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,120
I was like, yeah, this is right on.

511
00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:24,120
Then afterwards, Ben was like, where were you?

512
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,600
And I was like, I felt very alone because he's supposed to, you know, go back there

513
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000
and play those, those lilting guitar lines.

514
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800
And I was like, I'm so lonely.

515
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,240
Like, I was up there with myself, but you know what?

516
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,720
Uh, the spirit of God showed up.

517
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Yeah.

518
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,720
100%.

519
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,480
So let's come back to, come back to Genesis.

520
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,960
You're going to hear us ramble a lot.

521
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,440
Hopefully when we edit it, we'll see, we'll seem more coherent.

522
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,040
Um, so God says, uh, it's very good.

523
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,040
It's very good.

524
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,040
It's very good.

525
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:51,600
So one of the things that I want to talk about here is this.

526
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,320
So we were talking about function, right?

527
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,680
So, uh, understanding that you have a job, right?

528
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,600
Uh, your job is to be the image of God.

529
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,120
It's his image in you and he's the one that accomplishes it.

530
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:04,120
Yeah.

531
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,120
But you do have a job.

532
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:06,120
You got to show up.

533
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,120
Right.

534
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:17,200
So, uh, one step further than that, he then talks about, um, how he makes man, right?

535
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,360
Because you're created for rest.

536
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,640
You're created to rule.

537
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,160
You're created to go and do all these different things.

538
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:28,400
So what it actually says here in, uh, in Genesis one, and we'll go in verse, uh, let's see

539
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,160
here we're in verse 27.

540
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,800
So God created mankind in his own image.

541
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,240
In the image of God, he created them male and female.

542
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,240
He created them.

543
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,240
Okay.

544
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,320
Let's talk about what's going on in Hebrew here.

545
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,960
So God created mankind in his own image.

546
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,960
Okay.

547
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,200
Mankind is one is singular, right?

548
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,200
Yep.

549
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,860
In the image of God, he created them singular, male and female.

550
00:24:52,860 --> 00:24:54,880
He created them plural.

551
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:55,880
Okay.

552
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,080
So people are going to be really uncomfortable with this, but the first time God mentions

553
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,680
the division of sexes, he says that men and women together are the image of God.

554
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:07,680
Yes.

555
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,640
Man is not the image of God.

556
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,760
Woman is not the image of God.

557
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,720
Man and woman together are the image of God.

558
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,880
Yes.

559
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,760
And after he says that, he looks back on creation.

560
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,120
He says, this is very good.

561
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,520
Right?

562
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,080
Yep.

563
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,000
So our job in being the image of God is also to recognize...

564
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,600
Now I think there's application, of course, you can say, oh, well, husbands and wives,

565
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,600
all those different things.

566
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,600
I think that's appropriate.

567
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,960
Can we touch on the marriage portion just for a moment?

568
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,960
Yeah.

569
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:40,960
Well, and husbands and wives, but more...

570
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,960
Sorry, real quick.

571
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,280
Let me finish that thought and then let's go jump to marriage real quick.

572
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,320
We talk about husbands and wives and I think that's a totally appropriate reaction, but

573
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,080
we're also talking about community.

574
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Yeah.

575
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,440
So the community of men and women together are the image of God.

576
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,440
We represent God together.

577
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,640
Yeah.

578
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,280
So as I read this and as I look at this, one of the things that pops to mind is 1 Corinthians

579
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,800
where Paul is like, hey, it's better for you to stay single.

580
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:08,800
Right?

581
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,640
And so when you read that and you're like, well, how does that fit into the image of

582
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,320
man and woman being...

583
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:17,800
Or the idea of man and woman being the image of God together.

584
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Right?

585
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:23,440
This isn't as much about marriage at this point in the story and this we've heard.

586
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,080
I mean, how many times have you gone to a wedding and you've heard something from Genesis

587
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,480
1 or Genesis 2 mentioned in the context of marriage?

588
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,120
There's some context there, but this isn't more so in the context of community and fellowship

589
00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,640
with God together.

590
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,760
Right?

591
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440
It's actually would be closer related to a church context than a marriage context.

592
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,560
Well, we see that happening all throughout scripture.

593
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,560
Yeah.

594
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,880
Like Paul uses husband and wife to reference Christ in the church all the time.

595
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:50,880
All the time.

596
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,880
All the time.

597
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,560
And find it interesting, something I was just noticing as you were talking and reading.

598
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,480
The first command God gives them after creation.

599
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,480
Yeah.

600
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,480
Be fruitful and multiply.

601
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,480
Yeah.

602
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:01,480
Can only be done together.

603
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,480
Yep.

604
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,480
Right?

605
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,020
Now, of course, there, of course, there's a sexual connotation, right?

606
00:27:08,020 --> 00:27:11,000
Because you have to have sex in order to produce babies.

607
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,400
Hopefully nobody's surprised by that.

608
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,520
But right after it says, fill the earth and subdue it.

609
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,520
Rule over the fish and the seas and the birds and the sky and over every living creature

610
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,520
that moves on the ground.

611
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,280
Those you could do by yourself.

612
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Right?

613
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,240
You could do those by yourself.

614
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,600
You could subjugate women or men depending on the historical perspective.

615
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,240
But you can't be fruitful and multiply without the other.

616
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,360
And I think there's a reason for that.

617
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,560
Yeah.

618
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,440
You cannot fill the earth without the other.

619
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,960
No, you got to have both.

620
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440
And they're both the image of God and they both have a function.

621
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,560
Now, I want to talk about this because everything from this point forward, because people are

622
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,080
going to write to us about First Timothy, they're going to write to us about First Corinthians

623
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,560
and what Paul says when they take them out of context.

624
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,320
You know, talk about that constantly.

625
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,600
From the very beginning, God says, both of you are very important to maintaining the

626
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,880
image of God and together you represent the image of God.

627
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,460
So everything that comes after this is based on this predication.

628
00:28:11,460 --> 00:28:14,600
And if you write to us saying, well, Paul says, wife, submit to your husbands.

629
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:15,600
I'm like, OK.

630
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,840
And he also says, hey, husbands, lay down your life for your wives.

631
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,920
Says Christ laid down his life for you.

632
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:22,920
Yeah.

633
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,800
So I mean, if you're going to say that, it's like me being a man, I listen to that.

634
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,040
I'm like, it sounds like the easier job is not my job.

635
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,000
So OK, so why is that really important?

636
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,720
Why am I hitting this as such a stickler?

637
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,120
Because we have to talk about foundational things.

638
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:38,880
You have to understand you're made in the image of God.

639
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,000
You have to understand you are created from rest.

640
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,200
You have to understand you have a function to forward the rule of God into the world,

641
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,120
to fill the earth and subdue it, to grow the garden.

642
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Right.

643
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,600
And you're not supposed to do it alone.

644
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,240
You're supposed to do it in community.

645
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,000
In fact, even if you disagree with me, I'm going to talk about chapter two.

646
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,000
Yeah.

647
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,680
So chapter two, they take a step back and I don't want to talk about some literary things

648
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,680
going on.

649
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,880
Check out the Bible Project, Baymount Podcast.

650
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,440
They have some great stuff.

651
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,200
But one of the things I find interesting in chapter two is God tells us that he's not

652
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,200
enough.

653
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,000
Oh, you should get hate mail from him.

654
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
Oh, yeah.

655
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,000
I know.

656
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,000
I know.

657
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,000
I know.

658
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,000
Right.

659
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Okay.

660
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,000
So hear what I'm saying.

661
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,000
I was trying to think of something productive to say and I'm like, no, that's just going

662
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,000
to get hate mail.

663
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
I know.

664
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,000
Right.

665
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,840
So what God says here is it says that he is walking with Adam.

666
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,840
Yeah.

667
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,840
Right.

668
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,840
He is communing with Adam on a daily basis, walking, communing, doing all these different

669
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,840
things.

670
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Right.

671
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:47,080
And God looks at him and he says it is not good for man to be alone.

672
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Okay.

673
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:53,600
So the end of chapter one, it's very good.

674
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,600
Everything is very good.

675
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,360
It's been good, good, good, good, good.

676
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,780
And God says, hey, man, you're walking with me by yourself and it's not good.

677
00:30:00,780 --> 00:30:02,640
You need something else.

678
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,240
Chapter two, verse 18, if you guys are wondering.

679
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,240
Yeah.

680
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,920
It says it is not good for man to be alone.

681
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640
And I think that makes people wildly uncomfortable.

682
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,640
Yeah.

683
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Yeah.

684
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,960
So by the way, chapter two is actually a great example of how chapter one probably doesn't

685
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,560
work the way you think it does.

686
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Neither does chapter two.

687
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,200
These are stories that are talking to us about who God is and why he did things his way.

688
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,200
Yeah.

689
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,240
And we need to understand that if you want to believe they literally happened this way,

690
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,820
I think that's totally acceptable.

691
00:30:33,820 --> 00:30:36,760
If you have some questions, but you accept by faith that God is setting up some things

692
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,440
intentionally for you to understand, we can have grace with that.

693
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,080
Most likely we're going to get to heaven and both of us are wrong.

694
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,080
Yeah.

695
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,680
And if you are, I just want to pause here and just say, okay, let's just talk disagreements

696
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,680
for a second.

697
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,760
If you're like, man, I really disagree.

698
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,920
There's points on the creation story that actually Ben and I disagree about.

699
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,920
Correct.

700
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000
And we're sitting here talking about together because we're like, that's not, it's not the

701
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,000
point.

702
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,000
That's not the point of what's going on here.

703
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Yeah.

704
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880
And that's not fun in our disagreement because we actually push each other to grow.

705
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,640
Even though I'm right and he still has to come around to a few points, but my thinking

706
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,520
is he's entitled to his wrong opinion.

707
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,520
Yeah, exactly.

708
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Yeah, exactly.

709
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,680
So I think it's interesting here also.

710
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,720
One of the things I want to say in pro-women category, God says that there is no suitable

711
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,320
helper found for Adam, Edzer Konegdo.

712
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,320
Yeah.

713
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,320
Right?

714
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,080
In other words, like, so it's the force that opposes, right?

715
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,320
Is Edzer Konegdo in Hebrew.

716
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:36,240
But beyond that, most commonly referred to as Edzer Konegdo in the Bible is God himself.

717
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Yeah.

718
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,200
So God says, God says, man, there's no Edzer Konegdo for you.

719
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,200
So I got to pull it out of you.

720
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,200
Right?

721
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,600
And so in the thinking of, and then putting it in the context of, okay, the same language

722
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,760
that was used to describe a woman as a helper is the same language as used to describe God

723
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,360
as our helper.

724
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,600
Yeah.

725
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,880
That relationship is supposed to be real important.

726
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
Yeah.

727
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,760
And I would never think to relegating God to a subservient role.

728
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,960
No.

729
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
I would say that we've done that in our churches a lot.

730
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,040
We have.

731
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,560
We try to construct these boxes that we put God in and say, God, you're going to work

732
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,720
in these ways because that's how I understand things.

733
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:16,720
Well, I love it.

734
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,200
I love it when churches do that because it's just like, dude, it's only a matter of time

735
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800
before God blows outside the box.

736
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,040
And it's like, that was cute that you think you could contain me.

737
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,960
It's one of those things where I think God waits to hear those things and he's like,

738
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,440
ah, I'm going to show you some stuff.

739
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,320
So in case you are thinking like, man, maybe my church puts God in a box.

740
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,320
I'm not dogging on your church or anything.

741
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,320
No.

742
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,640
I think that they're faithful in following God.

743
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:40,640
Yeah.

744
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,080
I think a lot of churches that do put God in a box are faithfully trying to follow God

745
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,040
to the best of their ability.

746
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:51,360
But when you put God in a box, it's like trying to contain a lion with a cardboard box.

747
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,520
It's just not going to work.

748
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,920
Well, I don't think we do it intentionally either.

749
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:55,920
No.

750
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,840
And that, if anything, in these conversations, what we're trying to do is be intentional

751
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:00,840
about what we do.

752
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:01,840
Yeah.

753
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:02,840
Right?

754
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,840
Yeah.

755
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,360
Like most churches, most Christians, when they do these things, they do them because

756
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,480
they've just heard them repeat it over and over again.

757
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,200
And they never stop to think about what is the point of the story?

758
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:13,200
Yeah.

759
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Why does this apply to me as a Christian today?

760
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,280
Right?

761
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,440
So God says there's no suitable helper.

762
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,560
And he puts man into a sleep and he pulls the man's rib, which actually the rib isn't

763
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,560
actually a real word.

764
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,440
It's like he just pulled a piece out of him.

765
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Right?

766
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,600
We've translated a rib, but it doesn't actually mean rib.

767
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,680
It's a weird thing in Hebrew.

768
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,440
But then he closes it up and then he made woman from the piece and he brought her to

769
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:39,440
man.

770
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:44,220
And the interesting thing is I love this perspective from Adam.

771
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:45,480
So he's going to name Eve.

772
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,620
And by the way, like you really need to check out before he named, she is named Eve.

773
00:33:50,620 --> 00:33:52,240
She is named woman.

774
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Because right here, this is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.

775
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,480
She shall be called woman for she was taken out of man.

776
00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,480
Okay.

777
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,520
Her name is not Eve at this point.

778
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Do you know when her name turns Eve?

779
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:07,560
Later in the story.

780
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Yeah.

781
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,760
Later in the story, chapter three, her name gets changed to Eve.

782
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,280
And you know why her name becomes Eve?

783
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,800
Adam says because she will be the mother of all living.

784
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,240
Okay.

785
00:34:23,240 --> 00:34:25,320
She's going to be the mother of all the living.

786
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:30,160
And so here she's valued because she was bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh and taken out.

787
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,920
And she will be called woman, Isha, for she was taken out of man, Ish.

788
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,000
That's the Hebrew.

789
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,920
And now she's valued because she's the mother of all living.

790
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,360
So you're now gone from being valued for who you are.

791
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,360
Now you're valued for what you can produce.

792
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,360
Correct me if I'm wrong.

793
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,720
Adam's not referred to as Adam.

794
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:51,720
And Genesis wanted to.

795
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:52,880
He's referred to as man.

796
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,720
Yeah, we put Adam.

797
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,720
Yeah.

798
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:59,320
But Adam is just man or actually rather dust.

799
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,320
Yeah.

800
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,320
Yeah.

801
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,800
So Adam is actually Hebrew for man.

802
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Yeah.

803
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,800
Right.

804
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,800
Yeah.

805
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,360
And so like you actually use it like with the whole idea of man or woman.

806
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,360
Yeah.

807
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,360
So.

808
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,360
Yeah.

809
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600
But he doesn't have a name either.

810
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,600
His name is man.

811
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,600
Yeah.

812
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,120
Which I mean, I call a lot of people man.

813
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,800
I was like, hey, man, how's it going?

814
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,320
Especially if I don't remember your name.

815
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,320
Right.

816
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:26,320
I probably shouldn't have said that on the podcast.

817
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,520
I'll be like, does he remember my name?

818
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,880
I probably do.

819
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,920
I served at a church for a while where the pastor couldn't remember your name.

820
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,260
He called you buddy.

821
00:35:35,260 --> 00:35:36,360
And people caught on to that.

822
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,200
So like we would show up with name tags that said buddy.

823
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,400
And so that he would like walk up to us and like, oh, you got a name tag on.

824
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,400
Hey, buddy.

825
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Be like, oh, okay.

826
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,400
I see what you're doing.

827
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,960
You got me there.

828
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,000
Yeah.

829
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:53,480
So this story, you know, I mean, I think chapter one and two, there's so many things and we're

830
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,520
kind of just skipping a stone across the surface.

831
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,600
So for the purpose of our podcast, where we're talking about love and context.

832
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Yeah.

833
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,240
We got to understand that the intention of God from the very beginning is he says, I

834
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:08,160
need to put you in the best possible position to forward my life into the world.

835
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,160
Yeah.

836
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160
I want to partner with humanity.

837
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,160
I don't know why he wants to do it.

838
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,160
He just does.

839
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,160
That's how he wants to do it.

840
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800
Probably because he's a father and fathers like doing that stuff.

841
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Yeah.

842
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,640
I mean, like there's things I do with my daughter that I'm like, I really like, this is not

843
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,120
an activity I enjoy at all.

844
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,440
But the fact that I'm doing it with my daughter is huge.

845
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,440
Yeah.

846
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,440
Right.

847
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Yeah.

848
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,240
And so like, if you're going to write and be like, well, why did God create a man and

849
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,240
woman?

850
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,240
I was like, I don't know.

851
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:34,240
But what I can tell you is he created them.

852
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:35,240
Right.

853
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,240
Right.

854
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,000
You know, one of the, I'm reminded of a story and I shared this in a, in a message about

855
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,000
a year ago.

856
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,560
It's from John Tyson from his book, The Intentional Father, which you should read because it's

857
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,560
great.

858
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:54,360
But he tells a, tells a parable about a farmer who is installing a fence with his two kids.

859
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,200
And a guy drives by, then he sees these kids, they're like five and four.

860
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,920
You know, they're young kids.

861
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,920
They're boys.

862
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,080
They're, you know, doing what boys do and they're putting in the post, but they're like,

863
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,440
they pull one side out and the other side goes out.

864
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,200
And you know, you can just imagine what that looks like when they're trying to build the

865
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,200
fence.

866
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,280
And the guy stops and he's chatting with the farmer and he says, he says, yeah, why

867
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,440
are you, why are you kids out here doing this?

868
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600
It's like, surely, you know, you're on a timeline.

869
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:20,600
I know why was this coming up?

870
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
You got to be doing this quicker.

871
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,880
You know, you could do it a lot faster.

872
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,280
And the farmer looks at him and he says, oh, you were under the impression that I'm building

873
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,600
a fence.

874
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
I'm actually raising my sons.

875
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,280
Yep.

876
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,880
Yeah.

877
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,000
And I think sometimes we look and we write, God is building a fence.

878
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,200
And I'm like, no, he's raising sons and daughters.

879
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,160
Yeah.

880
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:53,040
Because for him, being raised correctly matters more in the world than anything else.

881
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Uh huh.

882
00:37:54,400 --> 00:38:01,160
So as you're saying that, I'm thinking like, okay, how patient are good parents with their

883
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,160
kids?

884
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Right.

885
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Like how long suffering with their patients are they?

886
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Right.

887
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Because I mean, for me, I like to get things done.

888
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,960
Right.

889
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Because I like to get something done efficiently.

890
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,040
I like to, I have, usually when I jump into a project, I have a way I'm going to do it.

891
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,520
I'm going to do it this way.

892
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:21,640
This is how it's going to happen.

893
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:27,920
I got all that lined out and then somebody I love steps in and is like, I'm going to

894
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,920
help you.

895
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,240
And the next thing I know, I can't find my tools or whatnot.

896
00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:36,000
And I'm like, but the point being is I can either get frustrated because I'm not doing

897
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,160
the project my way.

898
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160
Sure.

899
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Or I could slow down and be like, Hey, this is going to take twice as long, but I get

900
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,760
a chance to be a good parent.

901
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,760
Right in this moment.

902
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,840
Well, and if you as a good father, right?

903
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,000
Especially like you're a good father.

904
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,320
Well, I'm glad you think that.

905
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,320
Yeah.

906
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,320
Well, okay.

907
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:57,320
Okay.

908
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,320
You're an okay father.

909
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,320
You're like on the verge.

910
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:00,320
You're on the verge.

911
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:01,320
All right.

912
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:02,600
You know how like they have those things where it's like both green and yellow.

913
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,080
You're like right about to cross green.

914
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Oh, okay.

915
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,080
All right.

916
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,080
I'll take it.

917
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,080
I'll take it.

918
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,160
But if that's you, what do you think God's like?

919
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Yeah.

920
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:19,840
You know, I love when people get controversial about music in the church.

921
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,880
So I'm just going to throw a piece of music out there that people really, it stirred up

922
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,880
a lot of fires.

923
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:35,400
Oh, the overwhelming, never ending, reckless love of God.

924
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,320
And people say that God is not reckless.

925
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:41,920
I was like, listen, he bankrupted heaven to redeem you back to himself.

926
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,880
Jesus told a parable about a farmer leaving 99 sheep to go find the one.

927
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:46,880
That's reckless.

928
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:47,880
You want to do that?

929
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Yeah.

930
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:49,880
Yeah.

931
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520
And then he has a party and he probably slaughters a bunch of sheep that aren't the one.

932
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,520
Okay.

933
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,320
So the thing that makes me laugh, you know, right?

934
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,800
I think it makes me laugh about like when people like make the claim of like, oh, God's

935
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,440
love isn't like, God's not reckless, right?

936
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:08,400
It's like, well, okay, actually his love is very reckless in the sense of that he is going

937
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,000
to do everything he can to give us every opportunity to say yes to being with him.

938
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,000
Correct.

939
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,840
And so, and then he's literally going to say over my dead body.

940
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Yeah.

941
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,040
Here's the funny part though.

942
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,760
We've made movies that have nothing to do with God that paint that exact same picture.

943
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:25,760
Right.

944
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Like you think of the movie like taken by, with Liam Mason.

945
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Uh-huh.

946
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Right.

947
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,920
And he's kidnapped and he's like, I am, doesn't matter who's in my world.

948
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:35,960
I will find you.

949
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,120
I will find you.

950
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:38,120
Yeah.

951
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,120
And I will give you a hug.

952
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Yeah.

953
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,160
That's the edited version.

954
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,480
But that's the father's love.

955
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Yeah.

956
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,480
It doesn't matter.

957
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,080
I'm going to find my kid and I'm going to bring them home.

958
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,080
Yeah.

959
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,240
And it doesn't matter what it costs.

960
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:53,860
It doesn't matter what gets in the way.

961
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:56,440
If I get hurt in the process, but they still come home.

962
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Yeah.

963
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
And I think part of the problem that people have with the word reckless is they start

964
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,160
to put it with careless.

965
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,040
No, it's not that at all.

966
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Yeah.

967
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,040
I don't think it's careless at all.

968
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,680
Reckless means that you don't care about the cost.

969
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Yeah.

970
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960
When you looking at the benefit.

971
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,960
So yeah, reckless driving, right?

972
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Yeah.

973
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Right.

974
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,200
So let's just take reckless driving because I think that's one of the places we use reckless

975
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,200
more than others.

976
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,440
The whole thing about reckless driving is you are completely ambivalent about everything

977
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,840
around you in pursuit of your goal.

978
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Right.

979
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,880
Which is that you want to drive the way you want to drive, you want to go fast, you want

980
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,400
to go on the curb, you want to drive up a slide at the playground.

981
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,920
I don't know, something like that.

982
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,920
Right.

983
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,560
Like it means that with your goal, what you're trying to achieve is the utmost importance

984
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,040
and everything else doesn't matter.

985
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Yeah.

986
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,200
I got to be honest with you.

987
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,720
Sounds a lot like God coming after us with Jesus.

988
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:49,720
Right.

989
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:54,440
Sounds a lot like a guy who takes on the sins of the world, come back, defeats death and

990
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,200
then pours the Holy Spirit into all his people.

991
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,200
Yeah.

992
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,960
So it's between self-interested recklessness or recklessness that's targeted towards being

993
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,400
selfless towards others.

994
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,400
Right.

995
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,400
Right.

996
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,560
You can be totally reckless in your self-pursuit to better yourself, have more money, whatnot,

997
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,320
and hurt a lot of people along the way.

998
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,000
Or you can be totally reckless in your pursuit of making sure that everybody in your life

999
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:24,480
is well cared for, well loved, that they know who Jesus is, not just through words, but

1000
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,920
through how you love them.

1001
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,400
Like that's a level of recklessness that I think we as a church have lost.

1002
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,400
Right.

1003
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,720
So if we take this back to Genesis.

1004
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:34,720
Yeah.

1005
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:35,720
Right.

1006
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:36,720
Wait, this ties into Genesis?

1007
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:37,720
Yeah.

1008
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:38,720
Okay, sweet.

1009
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:39,720
Sargassum.

1010
00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:45,400
So if we take this back to Genesis, right, and we talk about...

1011
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,080
So would you agree that God knew what was going to happen before it happened?

1012
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,080
Yeah.

1013
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,080
Right.

1014
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,920
That time is probably a construct God created and not something he has to obey.

1015
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,920
Yeah.

1016
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,080
So God 100% knew what was going to happen and he did it anyways.

1017
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Right.

1018
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,520
So here he is, he's sitting in chapter one.

1019
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:03,520
Yeah.

1020
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Like, figuratively, telling us about good creation, telling us about the intention of our humanity,

1021
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,680
telling us about the intention of men and women, telling us that it's not good to be

1022
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:19,240
alone, and this idea of learning to subdue the earth and fill it so that his glory goes

1023
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:20,240
everywhere.

1024
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,640
So he's telling all of this knowing that chapter three is coming.

1025
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Yeah.

1026
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:29,720
He knows chapter three is coming and he also knows that thousands of years after that are

1027
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,840
coming before Jesus comes back, comes down to earth.

1028
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:34,840
Yeah.

1029
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,840
Right?

1030
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,960
This is foundational to our faith because what God does that, right?

1031
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,320
What God does that.

1032
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:50,420
What God is like, they're going to betray me, so I'm going to make everything perfect.

1033
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:55,480
And then when they betray me, I'm going to pick up the broken pieces and come after them.

1034
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,120
And so I'm not, what I'm going to say next, I'm not going to say in the context that we

1035
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,800
need to dive deeper into it and understand it, but I want to say more so in the context

1036
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:12,320
of, okay, there is a lot going on here that we may not understand in our earthly life.

1037
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,320
Okay.

1038
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:19,480
So if God, let's just, if God has the power to create life, to create everything, right,

1039
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,680
put everything into motion, right?

1040
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:26,840
And he knew we were going to betray him, yet he still made the tree of knowledge of good

1041
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:27,840
and evil.

1042
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:28,840
Right?

1043
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:33,160
And there's lots of, like I said, I'm not going to dive into the theories on that.

1044
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,440
There's lots of theories on it.

1045
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,080
Go research it.

1046
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080
Call Ben up.

1047
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,800
He's got theories on it too.

1048
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,120
But he, God could have said, you know what, I'm not going to make that.

1049
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,560
And then man and woman made in my image will be with me in this garden, perfect paradise

1050
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,560
forever.

1051
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Right?

1052
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,400
He could have said, no, I'm not going to do that.

1053
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,200
But he did, knowing that we were going to say no, right, to him.

1054
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,960
Well, and can we, can we just acknowledge that if you don't have a choice, is it love?

1055
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Yeah.

1056
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,640
You mean no?

1057
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,480
I'm saying yes and I agree with your rhetorical question.

1058
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:14,040
I'm assuming you're asking a rhetorical question right now.

1059
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,480
I thought you were like, yes, that's exactly what it is.

1060
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,480
I was like, come on.

1061
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,720
Let's get this clarified.

1062
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,160
My answer is no.

1063
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,640
Ben was asking a rhetorical question and I was, yeah, so yeah.

1064
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Oh man, that's funny.

1065
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:27,640
I'm totally leaving that in.

1066
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,640
That's going to be great.

1067
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,640
It's going to be great.

1068
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Man.

1069
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Okay.

1070
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,320
So, you know, a lot of the things that we're raising up here, by the way, we should, we

1071
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,920
should preface, like if you're going to have a really hard time because we approve of women

1072
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,040
in ministry and those types of things, you probably are not going to want to listen to

1073
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,120
us a ton.

1074
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,200
Or just disagree with us on it.

1075
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:48,200
That's totally cool too.

1076
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,920
We're totally fine with you disagreeing.

1077
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:50,920
Here's the deal.

1078
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,400
We listen to people we disagree with all the time.

1079
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,960
All the time because they have good perspectives still.

1080
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Yeah.

1081
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,560
So if you are listening to this, you're like, hey, I don't necessarily agree with that one

1082
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,760
point and you want to keep listening, great.

1083
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,760
We love that.

1084
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,240
If you are listening to this and you're like everything they're saying, I don't agree with,

1085
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,160
then this probably isn't the podcast for you.

1086
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,160
Right.

1087
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:17,000
But I do hope that we can provide some perspective that might be outside of your normal understanding.

1088
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,700
So if we were to sum up what, what, what is the Christian life?

1089
00:46:20,700 --> 00:46:23,640
What do we pull from chapters one and two?

1090
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,240
I think the first thing we pull is that we're not made for production.

1091
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,080
Like we have a job, but we're not made for production.

1092
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,960
We're actually made to rest in the, in the rule and reign of God.

1093
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,080
Yeah.

1094
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:40,120
But we do have a function and that it's through the function of God in our lives that those

1095
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,120
things get accomplished.

1096
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,120
Right?

1097
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Yes.

1098
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,120
Um, I think he used that correctly.

1099
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,120
Yes, you did that.

1100
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:52,760
That time you did, you know, and now you have to leave it in because otherwise, yeah, that

1101
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,600
doesn't make sense.

1102
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,080
That man and woman together represent the image of God and that we need to value both

1103
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,320
the male and female of our gender, our gender.

1104
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:10,160
We need to value both the male and female of our species and that God tells us that

1105
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,880
it's really important because even when we were walking with him all by herself, it wasn't

1106
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,960
enough.

1107
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:16,960
It was not good.

1108
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,960
Yeah.

1109
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,080
We're made for community.

1110
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:23,140
I don't understand why God says that that's what we need, but he says that's what we need.

1111
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:26,960
But if you actually even look into the nature of God himself, there, we don't understand

1112
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,600
how he's three in one.

1113
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,760
We don't really understand that.

1114
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,240
I mean, there's going to be theologians, aren't there theologians who write and say, Hey,

1115
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:35,240
we think this is what it is.

1116
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:38,480
And it's like, you think we don't understand how God, the father, God, the son, God, the

1117
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,800
Holy Spirit are all one person.

1118
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,960
And we're probably not going to, but we do see how they relate to each other.

1119
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,240
We're made for community.

1120
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:52,160
Is it any wonder that we as humanity made in the image of God are also made for community?

1121
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,040
Right?

1122
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,640
So we're made for community.

1123
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,720
And so if you're trying to live your Christian existence by yourself, stop it.

1124
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,880
You are made to be with other people and you're not going to find the fullness of Christ in

1125
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,400
your life without that.

1126
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,940
No, you're not.

1127
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:15,080
So find, if you are trying to do this by yourself, find a community of believers.

1128
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,440
And a lot of times what we do, I want to be, I want to be really clear on this.

1129
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,480
Like I have some, I have some unpopular opinions about the church or unpopular views.

1130
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:25,960
Well, and you have some church trauma too.

1131
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,480
Yeah, yeah, we all do.

1132
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,360
Both you and I do, but find a community of believers.

1133
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,040
I'm not saying, okay, go to your closest church.

1134
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,560
That's next to your house, right?

1135
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,560
I mean, you can go check it out if you want, but find some people who genuinely care about

1136
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,680
you, who love Jesus, who can do life with you.

1137
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,680
Right?

1138
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,720
That could be, that could, they don't have to necessarily meet on Sunday.

1139
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:52,820
Yeah.

1140
00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:55,520
Do those people call identity out of you?

1141
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:00,400
Do they call you into something deeper or do they just help you observe religious practice?

1142
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,400
Yeah.

1143
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,840
Because the Christian of life is, is yes, about learning about who God is.

1144
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,480
It's theology.

1145
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,400
I am, I'm going to call it orthodoxy.

1146
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Okay.

1147
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,120
We're also very concerned with orthopraxy.

1148
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,200
What are you doing with what you know?

1149
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,280
Because the Christian life is best exhibited.

1150
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Your faith is best exhibited by what you do.

1151
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,280
I liken it to this is like, as you say, okay, well, my vacuum cleaner is great.

1152
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,280
It works really well.

1153
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,120
You know how I know a vacuum cleaner works really well?

1154
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,000
You plug it in and start vacuuming some things.

1155
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,240
Right?

1156
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:38,160
If you tell me how great your vacuum is, is that it's never plugged in.

1157
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,160
Eventually and your floor is filthy.

1158
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,100
Eventually I'm like, okay, I don't know if I believe you.

1159
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:47,320
That seems really weird that your floor is filthy.

1160
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:48,520
Your vacuum cleaner is great.

1161
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,440
And yet it's never clean.

1162
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:56,400
One thing that's worth adding is that man was given a job before the fall.

1163
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,040
And we, we alluded at it.

1164
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,520
We talked about it some, but they were given a job.

1165
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:07,400
Man was given a job before the fall is given the role of taking care of the earth, tending

1166
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,300
to the garden, subduing it, being the master of everything there.

1167
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:13,520
He was given a job.

1168
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:18,640
So if you are, if you're thinking this like, okay, well, I've said yes to Jesus and his

1169
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,000
work on the cross.

1170
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,880
And so I am free from all responsibilities.

1171
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,880
I was like, no, you still have a job.

1172
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,040
Like this actually having a job actually echoes back to creation.

1173
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,040
Right.

1174
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,080
It doesn't echo back to the law.

1175
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,560
Right.

1176
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,360
You're just not valued by your job.

1177
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,360
Yeah.

1178
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,160
You're valued in whose image you're made and the fact that you're God's kid.

1179
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,160
Yeah.

1180
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,160
You know, it's interesting.

1181
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:45,880
You were saying that and you know what prompted in my head, we said, you were created to fill

1182
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,920
the earth, subdue it and all those different things that go.

1183
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,120
Here Jesus in Matthew 28, all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.

1184
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,000
Therefore go.

1185
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Yeah.

1186
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,360
And make disciples.

1187
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Guys, we still got a job.

1188
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:02,880
Yeah.

1189
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,880
Yeah.

1190
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,480
And, and you know, you know what that sounds a lot like?

1191
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Subdue the earth and fill it.

1192
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,480
Yeah, it does.

1193
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,480
And disciples.

1194
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,000
Now, please do not go and subdue people.

1195
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,080
That is not what I'm saying.

1196
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,000
And if you're like Ben told me to go subdue people, I'm like, I'm going to find you.

1197
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,000
That blocks for Jesus.

1198
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
I don't care if you're in South Carolina.

1199
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,000
I'm going to find you.

1200
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,440
I'm going to slap you across the face.

1201
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,000
Not what I said.

1202
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,680
I'm saying with the same intention that we're supposed to fill the earth, subdue the earth

1203
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:32,160
and fill it, our job is bring the kingdom of God to the world, make disciples and see

1204
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,720
it realized in our midst.

1205
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,720
Yeah, we have that job.

1206
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,960
And if you look at the great commission, it starts off with Jesus saying, Hey, I have

1207
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,320
all authority.

1208
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,440
And then it goes to the disciples saying, go.

1209
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,920
And then it ends with Jesus saying, I'm with you.

1210
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,920
Right.

1211
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,800
So if you're like, man, this is scary.

1212
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,680
It's like, dude, Jesus has authority and he is with you.

1213
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:53,680
Right.

1214
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:54,680
Right.

1215
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,000
And so he was there at the beginning during creation, Jesus, right.

1216
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Yeah.

1217
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,320
And who claimed to be God.

1218
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,600
He is like, I'm going to be with you as you do this.

1219
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:05,600
Yeah.

1220
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,680
Now, how embarrassing is it for you to be like, Oh man, that's that person's on the

1221
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,520
street corner is scary.

1222
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,520
Right.

1223
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,000
And God's like, bro, come on.

1224
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,280
Or sister, come on.

1225
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:17,880
Like, yeah, don't be sexist.

1226
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,880
Yeah.

1227
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:19,880
Get with it.

1228
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,880
Right.

1229
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,840
And I have a bit of a blunt personality and so sometimes my conversations with God are

1230
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,680
like, him taking a two by four and being like, you idiot.

1231
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,400
Let's you know what you're supposed to do.

1232
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,840
I think God is a masterful communicator and he communicates in a way that is effective

1233
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:34,840
for all of us.

1234
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,840
Oh yeah.

1235
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,840
Yeah.

1236
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:37,840
Yeah.

1237
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,240
I just have a blunt personality and that's how it goes for me.

1238
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,640
But so if I pass that along to you know that I love you.

1239
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:46,160
And that's just a little bit of my gruffness that I got going on.

1240
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,320
But that's the thing is like he has authority and he's with us when we're going and making

1241
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,320
disciples.

1242
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,320
Right.

1243
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,440
So last week we were here and we were having a care group at your house, right?

1244
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,440
Small group.

1245
00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,440
Yeah.

1246
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:00,440
It was great.

1247
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:01,440
Made for community.

1248
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,440
Highly recommend it.

1249
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,440
If your church doesn't do one, start one.

1250
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,440
Right.

1251
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,440
You're made for community.

1252
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,440
Yeah.

1253
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,160
And so, but James wanted, he wanted to have another pancake.

1254
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,480
Right.

1255
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:18,120
And he said, I want to have another pancake and he's like, so he comes up and he says,

1256
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can you ask Miss Lindsay if I can have a pancake?

1257
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:22,600
Right.

1258
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,320
And I said, and I said, okay, why don't you go ask her and I'll be with you.

1259
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,320
Uh huh.

1260
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Surely I am with you.

1261
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:31,600
Yeah.

1262
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,120
Sometimes I think we're that scared four year old boy asking for another pancake, but don't

1263
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,120
worry daddy's right behind us.

1264
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Yeah.

1265
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,120
Right.

1266
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,120
Mm hmm.

1267
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,120
Daddy is right behind us and he is the authority.

1268
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,640
He's the power, but hey man, he's raising sons.

1269
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,640
He's raising daughters.

1270
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Yeah.

1271
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,640
And we gotta go.

1272
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Yeah.

1273
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:51,640
Yeah.

1274
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,640
So good.

1275
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:53,640
Oh, so good.

1276
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,600
So next week we're going to be diving into the fall, correct?

1277
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:56,600
Yeah.

1278
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,640
So next week we want to talk about a couple of things that are going on in the fall that

1279
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,680
I think that we misunderstand.

1280
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,880
I'm going to touch on a few things on the, on the tree of Good and Evil.

1281
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,880
Yeah.

1282
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,400
But then specifically after that, we're going to talk about the fall, but we're also going

1283
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000
to talk about Cain and Abel.

1284
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Yeah.

1285
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,600
So the reason we're going to talk about these together is we want to talk about a few things

1286
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,320
that I think that we're missing in how we live our Christian life today because we've

1287
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,600
heard these things taught so many times from a doctrinal lens that we forget to see them

1288
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,640
from a contextual and relationship lens.

1289
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Yeah.

1290
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,080
So that's going to be next week.

1291
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,960
Everything we say here, we hope it drives you further into a deeper relationship with

1292
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,160
God and further into bringing Christ to your community.

1293
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,160
Yeah.

1294
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,440
In a place of love and in a place of understanding scripture from context.

1295
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,440
Yeah.

1296
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:47,280
So go read the Bible, read their history, talk to God, do what he says and go and love

1297
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,600
people well.

1298
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,920
Yeah.

1299
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:55,440
There will be an email link at the bottom in the show description.

1300
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:01,600
So if you want to send us questions or just write us nasty emails, go for it.

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00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:11,320
We would love to hear from you.

1302
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,160
Thank you so much for listening today.

1303
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,200
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1304
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:25,640
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1305
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,720
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1306
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:32,280
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1307
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:38,320
Again, loveandcontext.gmail.com or Instagram are the two ways to get ahold of us if you

1308
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,320
would like.

1309
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,600
Thank you once again.

1310
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,720
We really appreciate you being here.

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God bless.