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Welcome to Season 3 of Love &amp; Context. This season,

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we're exploring the life of Jesus step -by -step

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and uncovering what His story teaches us about

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loving God and others. Here on Love &amp; Context,

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we're all about having real conversations about

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how to live out that love in practical, everyday

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ways, and understanding the Bible in its full

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context. We're so glad you're here. Let's dive

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into Season 3 of Love &amp; Context. Welcome back

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after so many weeks. I think we lost count. So

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many weeks we lost count. We have been gone because

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we had a death in my family and we had to go

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and it was my wife's dad passed away and we were

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going and helping settle everything and Tara's

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dad was a really cool guy that had a lot of stuff.

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A lot of stuff. And in fact, actually, here we

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are. It's like seven weeks removed from when

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he passed away. And they're doing an estate sale

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at his house right now. And the people who posted

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it, they posted it and they go, they're like,

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oh, we got a big one for you today. So, you know,

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it's going to be great. Yeah. Dave was. Dave

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was really cool. He was a really cool guy. And

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one of the things that I really enjoyed about

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being down there and being able to spend time

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with him is just seeing the kind of impact you

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can make by being a good, loving father and person

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in your community. There was people that came

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out from everywhere talking about how great,

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how much he impacted them, how much he taught

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them. And it was a good time. It was a good time.

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It was very sad. But if you're like, where the

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heck have Ben and Spencer been? It's mostly been

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Ben. Yeah. Spencer's been here getting his business

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started and also wrapping up school and all that

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stuff and going, when is Ben going to get back

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and record? And then we did get back. And then

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there's this thing called children that carry

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germs that they share with you. You guys got

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back and then you're like sick for a week and

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a half. Yeah. And then we went to record and

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the camera stand was borrowed. I say thieved.

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It was Pastor Nick grabbed it and used it for

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something. And we were looking everywhere. We

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were like, well, I mean, I guess we could record

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just audio. And they were like, you know what?

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We're all tired. Let's just push one more week

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and we'll be fine. So here we are. We're in life

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of Jesus. Last time we talked. And we're going

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to take an eight -week break after this. The

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last time we talked, we were talking about Mary

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and Mary and John and Peter being at the tomb,

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recognizing that Jesus is gone. And then there

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is the women are being the witnesses not once

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but twice about the resurrection. And they're

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like, yeah, I don't know how I feel about that.

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Right in the middle of this story. So I just

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want to remind you, like we've been talking about

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witnesses. The next one is about going to be

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Jesus appearing to other people who are going

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to go and be witnesses too. So first the women

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were witnesses twice. Once to the resurrection

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because the body was gone. And then the second

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time because they saw Jesus and came back to

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tell him. And so now we're going to be hearing

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about these two guys on the road to Emmaus. And

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we're also going to talk about Jesus showing

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up in the upper room and just literally like

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phasing through the walls because he drank a

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lot of coffee. Nope, that's not it. And showing

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up and then that's going to be the story today.

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So we're going to start in Luke 24, 13 through

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49. All right. So starting in verse 13, it says,

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Now that same day, same day that he appeared

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to Mary and they came back, two of them were

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going to a village called Emmaus. So two of them,

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who is them? disciples of Jesus, people who were

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followers of Jesus. They're going to a village

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called Emmaus, which is about seven miles from

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Jerusalem. So, you know, nice short jaunt. They

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were talking with each other about everything

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that had happened. As they talked and discussed

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these things with each other, Jesus himself came

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up and walked along with them, but they were

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kept from recognizing him. He asked them, what

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are you discussing together as you walk along?

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They stood still, their face downcast. One of

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them named Cleopas. asked him, Are you the only

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one visiting Jerusalem who does not know the

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things that have happened there in these days?

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What things? he asked. About Jesus of Nazareth,

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they replied. He was a prophet, powerful in word

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and deed before God and all the people. The chief

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priests and our rulers handed over him to be

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sentenced to death, and they crucified him. But

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we had hoped that he was the one who was going

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to redeem Israel. And what is more, it is the

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third day since all this took place. In addition,

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some of the women amazed us. They went to the

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tomb early this morning, but didn't find his

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body. They came and told us they had seen a vision.

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of angels who said he was alive. Then some of

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our companions went to the tomb and found it

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was just as the women had said, but they did

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not see Jesus. He said to them, how foolish you

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are and how slow to believe all that the prophets

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have spoken. Did not the Messiah have to suffer

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these things and then enter his glory? And beginning

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with Moses and the prophets, he explained to

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them what was said in the scriptures concerning

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himself. As they approached the village to which

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they were going, Jesus continued on as if he

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was still going further, but they urged him strongly,

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stay with us for his nearly evening, the day

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is almost over. So he went in to stay with them.

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When he was at the table with them, he took bread,

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gave thanks, broke it, and began to give it to

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them. Then their eyes were opened, and they recognized

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him, and he disappeared from their sight. That

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would be very strange, by the way. They asked

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each other, were not our hearts burning within

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us while he talked to us on the road and opened

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the scriptures to us? They got up and returned

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at once to Jerusalem. There they found the eleven

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and those with them assembled together and said,

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it is true, the Lord has risen and has appeared

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to Simon. Then the two told what had happened

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on the way and how Jesus was recognized by them

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when he broke the bread. Okay. So we're going

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to pause right there. So opening frame here,

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this is a very interesting story because I think

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in a lot of ways it's a very honest story, right?

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You were just in town for the Passover, and you

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just saw the guy that you were following who

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you thought was going to be a Messiah died. It's

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honest. You're confused. You're emotional. It's

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also kind of funny at times, right? But it's

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also deeply theological, and through this story

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they move from confusion to revelation to worship

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to their mission, right? So this is Resurrection

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Sunday. they've been told by the women that Jesus

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isn't there, and they're walking seven miles

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to Emmaus from Jerusalem. They're discouraged,

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and they're replaying everything. They're having

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this conversation. Oh, man, I can't believe Pilate

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just washed his hands and, you know, like all

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the things that are going on. It's not a victory

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stroll. It's a very disappointed walk, right?

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Their hope has been literally crucified. And

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then Jesus shows up. Because that's totally what

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he does. But they don't know. But they don't

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know. Yeah. And he's like, oh, what happened?

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You remember that guy? It's like something significant

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happened. And they're like, what happened? You

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know? I like to do that sometimes when people

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are like, say something about COVID. I was like,

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oh, what's COVID? COVID? Is that a thing that

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happened in the world? Right? Right. I always

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find it funny the couple times that Jesus does

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this, where he shows up and doesn't reveal himself

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right away. Right. There's part of me, and don't

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hate me for saying this, but there's part of

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me like, was he just trolling them a little bit?

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There's part of me that thinks that, but there's

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the other part of me that's like, no, he wanted

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to hear them recount the story. And when you

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are able to recount the story for yourself, that

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can actually cement belief in your life. Well,

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and I 100 % agree with you. But kind of also

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like with like Mary not recognizing Jesus in

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the garden. Last time they saw him, he was bloody

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and beaten and beyond recognition. And also there's

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this thing where people don't come back from

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the dead except Jesus. Yep. And people Jesus

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tells to like Lazarus. Yep. Right. Like this

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just doesn't happen. And so like you would think

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that it's anybody except Jesus. Right. But also

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I think he's kind of trolling him a little bit

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too. Yeah. Like I hear what you're saying. I'm

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also like they spent three years with him. Yeah.

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Like, I think they would know what he looks like,

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not bloodied up. Yeah, you'd think so. But, uh,

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yeah, but I mean, there is that, and there's

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also the super, uh, there's a supernatural piece

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to that where at the end of it, where it's like,

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then their eyes were opened. Right. Where, where,

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um, Jesus, uh, was intentionally hiding himself

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so that they could cement their belief in him.

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Right. And then their eyes were open and they

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saw it was him and they're like, he did rise

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from the dead. Right. So they go, man, are you

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literally the only person who has no idea what

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happened there this weekend? Yeah. Like, this

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is kind of a big deal. Now, the ironic thing

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is they're about to explain Easter weekend to

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Easter himself. Yeah. Right? To the resurrection.

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They're about to explain the death, burial, resurrection

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to the guy who was going through it. And he goes,

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what things? And so they... You can almost hear

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Jesus when he says, what things? He's like, come

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on, guys, let's see. What do you got? What do

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you got? It's divine restraint. He's like, all

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right, theological TED talk. Let's go, guys.

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What do you got, right? But then there's just

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this heartbreaking line, which, I mean, I really

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think sometimes we read it and we run past it.

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We had hoped he was the one to redeem Israel.

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We had hoped he was the one who was going to

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bring us back to who we're supposed to be, who

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God has called us to be, right? And that is...

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It carries so much weight because their hope

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wasn't wrong. It was just incomplete because

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they're thinking political victory, national

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liberation, immediate kingdom, Rome is thrown

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off. They didn't expect a cross or a tomb or

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waiting. Waiting in the dark, right? They're

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disappointed while they're actually walking next

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to their resurrected hope, which kind of begs

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the question, How often do we do the same thing?

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Yep. Right? We had hoped, but our expectation

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was too small. Yep. Or we put it in a box, and

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we completely miss what Jesus is doing, right?

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Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So then Jesus does what

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I love. I'm going to call it a Jesus Bible study.

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He says, you fools, you're being foolish. Was

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it not necessary that the Christ should suffer

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these things and enter his glory? Uh -huh. Necessary.

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Not accidental. Not plan B, not tragic miscalculation.

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It's been there from the very beginning. Luke

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says, beginning with Moses and the prophets,

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he interpreted them to all the things concerning

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himself. And it's like the greatest Bible study

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ever taught. When I get to heaven, I'd love to

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see the transcript, the Emmaus Road transcript,

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exactly what was the sermon Jesus preached here.

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But if you can just imagine, as we've taught

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through Torah and the Old Testament at times,

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in Genesis 3, 15, there's this serpent and the

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serpent crushed, right? In Exodus 12, there's

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this Passover lamb and they're brought out of

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the land of Egypt. Numbers 21, this broad serpent

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lifted high that if you look to him. Psalm 22,

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the pierced hands and feet, this psalm of Jesus'

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life. Isaiah 53, the suffering servant. Daniel

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7, the son of man receiving glory, but glory

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after pain. The pattern of scripture is saying

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suffering leads to glory, death leads to life,

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exile leads to return. And then they say later

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as they're reflecting on this, man, but didn't

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our hearts burn inside of us when he told us

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these stories? And I honestly feel like when

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we actually take time to tell the story and hear

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what Jesus is doing and God is doing throughout

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history, like doesn't your heart burn? Like it

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burns. Because you're like, oh, that's so cool,

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right? Uh -huh. Well, and when Jesus says, you

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fools, the other times that he's used that throughout

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scriptures, it is to get people to take their

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focus off their selfish selves and put it on

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the bigger things in the world. Right. Like you

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look at the seven woes with the Pharisees, right?

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You said seven woes, but I heard seven loaves,

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and I think I'm just thinking about bread. Yeah,

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yeah. Yeah. So the seven woes, the loaves. Seven

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woes. There we go. But when you think of those,

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it is all, is Jesus being like, get out of your

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own way. Yeah. And see what is going on in the

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world. Yeah. And see how I am redeeming the world.

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Yeah. Right? You have the same situation here

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where you have these people that are kind of

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talking in this selfish tone where like, well,

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we really hoped he was the one who was going

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to do this for us. Yeah. And Jesus is like, okay,

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you fools. It's backup. I'm not just doing it

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for you. I'm doing it for the world. Yeah. And,

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yeah. Yeah. It's a lot bigger, broader, and more

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powerful than you think. Yeah. You thought I

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was coming with a sword, but I'm actually coming

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with a crucifixion and overthrowing the sword.

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Yeah, exactly. Right? And I love that it says

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that he pretends like he's going to keep going

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on because he's inviting them into something,

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right? Yeah. He's inviting them to say, like,

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are you still who you're called to be? Yep. They're

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like, no, no, no. Come stay with us. Don't keep

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going. It's dark out. And then they go in, and

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I love the fact that he takes the bread, he blesses

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it, he breaks it, and when he starts to give

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them the bread, then their eyes are opened. Yep.

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By the way, do you remember a place in the story

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where somebody took, they gave, they ate, and

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the eyes were opened, but it was a negative thing?

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Genesis 3. Yep. Genesis 3. Eve takes, they bite,

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they consume. and their eyes are open, but it's

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open to sin. Now he's just told them from the

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very beginning, and he takes the bread, he breaks

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it, blesses it, hands it to them. And as they

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take the bread, their eyes are open, and they

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know exactly who he is, and then he's gone. Yep.

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Right? And they go, oh, dang. You see what just

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happened? We got to go back. We got to go back,

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right? The word, the table, the recognition.

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Augustine later is going to reference this. Augustine

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was one of the early church fathers. He says,

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Christ revealed in Scripture and in the breaking

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of bread. And so they've just gone seven miles,

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but if you've ever seen something that's so awesome

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that you can't wait to tell somebody, that's

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happened to me a few times, you're like, I need

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to tell somebody now. And so you start calling

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people, you start texting them, see who's available.

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In their case, they know exactly who needs to

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hear this, and they sprint seven miles back in

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the dark because when resurrection hope hits,

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cardio doesn't matter. Yep. Right? No one complains

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about blisters when Jesus is risen. Yeah. Right?

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And so they run all the way back, and we're going

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to pick this up. It's in Luke 36, 49, or John

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20, 19 through 23. Why don't we read Luke 20.

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Let me continue in Luke because that's where

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we were right now, and then we'll jump over to

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John. Sounds good. So in 36, while they were

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still talking about this, Jesus, so they came

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back and they said, hey, he's risen. He has appeared

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to Simon, which, by the way, does that mean that

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Simon and Cleopas? Because it says he appeared

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to Simon. I don't know. Somebody else, you write

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to me and tell me what you think. While they

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were still talking about this, Jesus himself

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stood among them and said, Peace be with you.

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They were startled and frightened, thinking they

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saw a ghost. Because people don't come back from

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the dead. Right? And he said to them, why are

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you trouble and why do doubts rise in your minds?

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Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself.

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Touch and see. Touch me and see. A ghost does

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not have flesh and bones as you see I have. When

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he had said this, he showed them his hands and

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feet and while they still did not believe it

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because of joy and amazement, he asked them,

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do you have anything here to eat? So they gave

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him a piece of broiled fish and he took it and

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ate it in their presence. He said to them, this

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is what I told you while I was still with you.

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Everything must be fulfilled that is written

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about me in the law of Moses, the prophets, and

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the Psalms. Then he opened their minds so that

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they could understand scriptures. He told them,

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This is what is written. The Messiah will suffer

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and rise from the dead on the third day, and

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repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be

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preached in his name to all nations, beginning

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at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things.

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I'm going to send you what my Father has promised,

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but stay in the city until you've been clothed

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with power from on high. All right, now you're

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going to read from 2019 -23 because it's John

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reflecting on it later, back at what's happened.

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That Sunday evening, the disciples were meeting

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behind locked doors because they were afraid

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of the Jewish leaders. Suddenly, Jesus was standing

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there among them. Peace be with you, he said.

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Hey, guys. Yeah, right? As he spoke, he showed

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them the wounds in his hands and his side. They

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were filled with joy when they saw the Lord.

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Again, he said, peace be with you. As the Father

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has sent me, I am sending you. Then he breathed

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onto them and said, receive the Holy Spirit.

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If you forgive anyone's sins, they are forgiven.

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And if you do not forgive anyone's sins, they

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are not forgiven. So they're in a locked room.

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They're hiding. The doors are locked. There's

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fear everywhere because they literally just had

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the Jesus has been killed and crucified and buried,

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right? Now he's standing among them. And you're

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like, I swear I'll lock that door. Uh -huh. Right?

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I swear I checked it. I jiggled it. The handle

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didn't move. Right? Adrenaline spikes. And his

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first word says, peace be with you, which is

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probably the calmest possible thing you could

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tell them given the circumstance. Yeah. Yeah.

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I mean, definitely boo would have been out of

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it. I mean, we're talking like crime horror movies.

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Right? This is how it starts. Like, I lock the

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house, and then suddenly someone's in the house,

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right? Yeah. So you have Jesus showing up. Peace

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be with you. You have this thing where they're

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probably just completely frightened and completely

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joy -filled at the same time, right? And they

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think he's a spirit. And Luke and John make it

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very distinctive. They're like, he shows them

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the hands, the feet. They ask for food. He eats

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fish in front of them. By the way, this may be

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one of the only times that seafood is a scriptural,

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doctoral argument, right? Probably not. We're

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a fishing village, so. Not village. We're not

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a village. We're a town, city. Anyways, Luke

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was making a point, though. This is a bodily

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resurrection because especially later it's going

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to have this conversation about did he physically

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rise or was it a spiritual rising? No, no. He

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was there, physically there. Not a metaphor.

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It's not spiritual survival. It's not a group

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hallucination. Christian hope is not escaping

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creation. It's renewed creation. We talk about

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Augustine, but Irenaeus is later going to emphasize

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it really strongly that the risen body means

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matter matters. Yeah. Right? That sentence does

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make sense. For my people who don't speak English

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as a native language, matter matters does make

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sense. But then he once again takes them back

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to the scripture, which is something that they've

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had ground in them from learning early on in

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Bet Sefer, Bet Midrash, all those different places.

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He says, everything that's written in the law

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and the prophets and psalms, it's fulfilled in

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me. I am the Torah made flesh. You're seeing

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it lived out in front of you in real time, right?

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And then he opens their mind. He's like, hey,

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you knew that he had to suffer. You read Daniel.

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He has to rise on the third day. Repentance,

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forgiveness is going to be proclaimed. It's not

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just for you. It's for everyone. The resurrection

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of the Messiah isn't for comfort. It launches

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mission. Right? Well, and then John adds this

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piece in his account, which also references back

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to the Lord's Prayer at the end of it, where

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he says, for if you do forgive them, they are

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forgiven. But if you don't forgive them, they

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are not forgiven. Now, the Lord's Prayer phrases

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it a little differently. He says, if you forgive

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them, you are forgiven just as your Heavenly

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Father has forgiven you. But if you don't, you

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are not, just as your Heavenly Father won't forgive

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you. And it's often a passage we skimp over,

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right? But this is the thing, is like when we

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say yes to following Jesus, we are called to

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forgive. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And, and in this

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moment, I'm sure there was joy. I'm sure there

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was angst, but I'm also sure there was a little

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bit of, why'd you put me through that? Right.

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Like, why'd you do that to us? Right. Right.

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Um, and I'm sure we, if you don't necessarily

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feel in the moment, they're definitely going

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to be thinking about it over the next 40 days.

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Right. Right. Right. Where it's like, why did

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you put us through what we just went through?

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It's interesting when we talk about the resurrection

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of Jesus is that he appeared to Mary. They didn't

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believe him. He appeared to the disciples in

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Emmaus. They didn't believe him. He appeared

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to the disciples here. They didn't believe him.

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Now Thomas wasn't there. And he's also not going

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to believe him because he says, unless I see,

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unless I put my fingers in his side or feel the

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nail holes on his wrist. And he's a friend who

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needs to read the reviews before he believes

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anything. Right? He doesn't want resurrection

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rumors. He wants receipts. Yeah, exactly. Eight

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days later, Jesus does the same thing. And he

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shows up and says, peace be with you. And he

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turns directly to Thomas. And by the way, you're

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sitting there and you're Thomas. What are you

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thinking right then? Right? It's powerful, right?

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Jesus comes specifically for one doubter. And

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he invites him to touch the ruins, to which Thomas

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says, you know, my Lord and my God. This is one

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of the clearest definitions of Jesus' divinity

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all throughout the Gospels. Thomas goes... Yep,

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my Lord, my God, right here. Right? But Jesus

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says something which is really profound. He's

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like, it's actually going to be blessed for those

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who have not yet seen, have not seen, and yet

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they still believe. Yep. Which, by the way, listener,

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it's you and me. Because unless you are way older

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than you're purporting yourself, you were not

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there. Yeah. Right? I don't think we have like

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a 2 ,000 -year -old listener. No. It seems unlikely.

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That's us, that we're blessed having not seen.

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I've not touched the nail holes in Jesus' hands,

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nor the hole in his side. I've not had him eat

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fish in front of me. It's not to say that he

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can't, but I believe, based on the testimony

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of those others, because of the presence of God

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in my life, right? Yeah, and then as you follow

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Jesus, you will have those moments, right? Yeah.

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Like you'll have those moments where you have

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doubt and angst screaming through your brain,

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screaming through your body, and then all of

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a sudden just calm hits, right? Yeah. You'll

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have those moments. You'll have those moments

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where you audibly hear Jesus. You'll have those

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moments where you see him heal and restore people.

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You'll have those moments where you'll see him

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better your life. Right. And make it so you are

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letting go of the things of this world so you

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can chase after the things of God. Yeah. Right.

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You will have those moments. And you really just

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have to lean into it. Yeah. Right. You just have

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to lean into it. And even if you're going through

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a season where it seems quiet. That doesn't mean

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God's not there. That actually brings me to some

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notes I made when we were prepping for this.

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I wrote down some themes from the story for us.

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The first one is this. Jesus walks with the disillusioned.

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Yep. Right? Because sometimes we're confused,

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theologically mistaken. That's never happened

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to me. Emotionally exhausted, never happened

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to you. Nope. But he walks beside the people

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anyways. He doesn't shame. He teaches. He leads.

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He walks with. He breaks bread. He shares meals.

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Jesus walks with the disillusioned. So when you're

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talking about, like, if you're feeling exhausted

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or silent, he's walking with you even when you

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feel disillusioned. Jesus is never not with you.

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The question is, are you awake to his presence?

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Right? Yeah. Which also brought me to my second

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point, which I think is a key point for us. We

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often misread the story. The statement, we had

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hoped. I think that they, after seeing what Jesus

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actually did, they're glad that what they hoped

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for wasn't what happened. Yeah. Right? When you

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really understand what Jesus did and how many

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of our disappointments come from expecting Jesus

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to fulfill our version of redemption or fixing

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things or progress or blessing in our life. Yeah.

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And what if the cross that's placed in the middle

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of your life isn't actually interruption, but

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fulfillment. Yeah. Right. That the, everything

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you actually want is actually through the other

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side. Right. As you follow Jesus, your wants

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are going to change. Yeah. Right. Like your desires

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are going to change. Uh, they're going to become

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more in line with what he wants for you. Yeah.

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Right. Just like, I mean, Just like parenthood,

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right? There's things we see for our kids that

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we want for our kids that they don't see, right?

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Just a really, really silly example is food,

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right? Talking about loaves earlier, food now.

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We're all there. I want my daughter to, you know,

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have a healthy diet, like to be able to eat healthy

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food. What does she want to eat every day, all

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day right now? Donuts? Tater tots, right? To

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be fair, tater tots are delicious. Oh, absolutely.

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But man does not live on tater tots alone. Absolutely.

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And so when it's like, okay, I'll cook some tater

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tots for you, but you've got to have a source

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of protein. We've got to do some sort of protein

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here. And then it's like meltdown city because

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it's like, no, I just wanted tater tots. And

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it's like, right? There's things that we see

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for our kids that are better for them that they

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don't see. The same goes with God. There's things

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that he sees for us that are far better than

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anything we could see. And we just have to trust

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that he has that under control. The third thing

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from this story is Jesus is not disconnected

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from the story. He's actually there from the

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very beginning. Because he walks them through

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the prophets and Moses, and he's in grand and

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random verses and forcing himself into them.

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He's showing them something bigger. He's not

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an appendix to the Old Testament. He's not a

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surprise twist in Act 3. He's not God's emergency

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plan, backup plan, because he had to pour out

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wrath, right? He's woven into the story from

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the very beginning from Genesis, right? The promised

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seed in Genesis 3, the Passover and Exodus, the

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sacrificial system, the tabernacle where God

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dwells with his people. the suffering server,

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the rejected stone, the son of man. It's one

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story. It's not disconnected episodes. It's not

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a spiritual life hack. It's not moral examples.

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Jesus doesn't show up halfway through. He's the

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fulfillment of everything God has always been

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doing. In other words, the Bible isn't a collection

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of stories that teach us how to live. It's one

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unified story about how God rescues and restores

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his lost kids. And Jesus stands at the center

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of that. Or maybe better to say would be Jesus

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doesn't step just into our story. He's the thread

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holding all the story together. woven in all

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throughout. Yep. And this shouldn't be surprising,

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but I think we have a tendency where we tell,

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we're like the Old Testament story and then the

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New Testament story. I was like, that's one story.

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I was like, they inform on each other. Jesus

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is stepping into a context. How many times have

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we said that on this podcast? Right? I don't

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know, three or four. Seven or eight? Yeah. 87?

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Yeah. Six, seven? No. I was just waiting for

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you to go there. Yeah, right. I also think one

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of the things that occurs over and over again

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in the story is recognition comes in ordinary

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moments. In a walk. In a conversation. During

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a meal. When they're hanging out in a room together.

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Resurrection often shows up quietly. It doesn't

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blast a trumpet. Right? This is one that I thought

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for myself is a really big deal and it's a lot

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of big deal for a lot of people following after

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Jesus. Doubt. is not the end. Because Thomas

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doubted, and Jesus came back to meet with just

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him. Faith isn't pretending that your questions

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don't exist. It's taking those questions and

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laying them at the feet of a risen Christ. Right?

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Saying, I don't know how this works, and I trust

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you, but I still have questions. Right? And I

00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.890
think what we'll see beyond this, as you go into

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the book of Acts and you see what's going on

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with the disciples, the resurrection actually

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then creates witnesses. Yep. That they move from

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locked doors to open proclamation. They go from

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fear to boldness. They go from confusion to clarity.

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It doesn't create spectators. It creates witnesses.

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Yep. Spectators come to see the show. Witnesses

00:27:30.970 --> 00:27:34.730
tell you about it. Yep. Right? You will be my

00:27:34.730 --> 00:27:39.319
witnesses, not my spectators. Church doesn't

00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:44.200
need spectators. It needs witnesses. Yep. And

00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:45.940
they thought the story was over. They're walking

00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:48.579
away sad. Turns out that they were walking with

00:27:48.579 --> 00:27:53.559
the author. Yeah. And I think in a lot of ways

00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:55.859
that sometimes when we think our story's done,

00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:57.880
we think those things are broken. We think we

00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:02.279
can't come back from X, Y, Z. Yeah. Author's

00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.200
sitting there walking with us. Yeah. Sometimes

00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.960
Christ is a little nearer than we think. Right.

00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.980
Ready to be like, you silly goose. Don't you

00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:12.619
know that it was always supposed to go this way

00:28:12.619 --> 00:28:14.500
so that the glory of God could be revealed in

00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:17.720
your life? Yeah. I'm going to meet you there

00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:21.880
in your chaos. Yeah. Which is the story, as you've

00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.000
said, woven all throughout Scripture. Right?

00:28:25.140 --> 00:28:27.119
That's the story of the Exodus, God meeting them

00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.599
in chaos. That's the story of Gideon, right?

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God meeting him in chaos. Yep. Right. That's

00:28:33.539 --> 00:28:36.680
the story of walking around Jericho. Yep. It's,

00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:39.920
uh, you see it all throughout Daniel and the

00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.619
lion's den. Yeah. Right. All throughout scripture.

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God just saying, I will meet you there. I will

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meet you wherever you create space. I'm here

00:28:51.059 --> 00:28:55.019
the whole time. Yep. Yeah. It is one of my favorite

00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:57.140
statements that I ever heard from a friend. I

00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:58.880
think it was Marty who told me this, but we were

00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.240
at a worship time, and I said, man, God really

00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:03.880
showed up. And he's like, no, I think maybe you

00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:08.359
did. God's been there the whole time, and sometimes

00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.339
it just takes us a little while to show up. Yeah.

00:29:12.859 --> 00:29:15.480
Yeah. Yeah. I had a similar conversation with

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.779
a friend a while back where they were like, man,

00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.279
it's just so great when you pray and just. tell

00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:21.839
the Holy Spirit he's welcome here. And I was

00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.559
like, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I was like, you

00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.640
realize you prayed that in a church in front

00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.619
of everybody where he already is. And maybe you

00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:31.099
just need to open up to him and they're like,

00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:36.759
yeah, okay. It's super funny. I, of course, go

00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.359
the opposite side because I agree 100 % with

00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.200
you, but also on the other side, I'm always welcome

00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.299
in my son's room because it's my room, right?

00:29:44.420 --> 00:29:47.180
I own the house. It's nice when he invites me

00:29:47.180 --> 00:29:50.970
in, even though it's mine. And so there is a

00:29:50.970 --> 00:29:53.410
capacity there, but also recognize it belongs

00:29:53.410 --> 00:29:56.650
to him, and he's already there. But like a good

00:29:56.650 --> 00:29:59.390
father, he loves to be invited. Absolutely. He's

00:29:59.390 --> 00:30:00.930
going to be there either way. Absolutely. He

00:30:00.930 --> 00:30:04.410
loves to be invited. I love going back to speaking

00:30:04.410 --> 00:30:07.490
a word, talking about Genesis. Jacob, I was sleeping

00:30:07.490 --> 00:30:11.609
in nowhere's nowhere, and I did not realize you

00:30:11.609 --> 00:30:14.470
were here. Turns out you were here the whole

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:16.450
time, and that's awesome. Yep. So there we go.

00:30:16.769 --> 00:30:18.809
It only took us six or seven weeks, but we finally

00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:21.430
got to the road to Emmaus. Right. And good news

00:30:21.430 --> 00:30:23.690
for you, because if you see next week's episode,

00:30:23.769 --> 00:30:24.650
you're going to be like, man, they're wearing

00:30:24.650 --> 00:30:26.130
the exact same thing. It's because we're going

00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:27.730
to record it immediately after this. We're going

00:30:27.730 --> 00:30:29.529
to take a five -minute break. Yep. Then come

00:30:29.529 --> 00:30:33.309
back, and we're going to be talking about the

00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:36.670
restoration of Peter. Yeah. And just some of

00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:38.920
the fun things going on. in that story yeah so

00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:42.680
we will see you in five minutes a week well for

00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.160
them it'll be a week for us it'll be in five

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minutes so we'll see you in five minutes you'll

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see us in another week And that's a wrap for

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