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Welcome to Season 3 of Love & Context. This season,

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we're exploring the life of Jesus step -by -step

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and uncovering what His story teaches us about

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loving God and others. Here on Love & Context,

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we're all about having real conversations about

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how to live out that love in practical, everyday

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ways, and understanding the Bible in its full

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context. We're so glad you're here. Let's dive

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into Season 3 of Love & Context. Welcome back

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to the Love and Context podcast. Podcast. Podcast.

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Podcast. This is the segment of the show where

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we see how many times Ben can say podcast before

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you guys hang up on us. Hang up? Are they on

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their phones? Yeah, I'm old school. I'm old school.

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We are in the middle of the life of Jesus, and

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we're in the Sermon on the Mount part two. two

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two hold on i'm gonna get myself a video two

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and you know what that means today we're gonna

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talk about murder yeah um we should preface this

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though because when uh This is not about murder.

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We'll get there, okay? We'll get there. As Ben

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and I were prepping for this, we were like, wait

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a second. We are not moving as fast as we thought

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we were going to move through this. So what we're

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going to do today is we're going to walk through

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it. We're going to go for about 45 minutes, and

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we're going to get as far as we get. We may pick

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up in part three. That might be coming. And hopefully

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we don't make it to part 17 of the Sermon on

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the Mount. If you guys are wondering about my

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t -shirts, this is one my wife got me. It says,

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bookworm? Please, I'm a book dragon. So that

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is quite accurate for myself. All right, so reminder,

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if this is your first episode, it's super weird

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that you jumped in on a part two for the first

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episode, but just in case that's the case, we

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started in the Beatitudes, and we talked about

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Jesus says, hey, the kingdom of God is coming

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for these types of people. And when you are these

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types of people and people are coming after you

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because you follow me, you're going to be blessed.

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But that doesn't mean you get to go run and hide.

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You have to go and be in the middle of everything.

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You're the salt of the earth. You're the light

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that's going to be put on a hill. I'm not coming

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to get rid of Torah. Don't mistake that. Torah

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is not going away. But in fact, I'm coming to

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fulfill it or put it on display. And then, let's

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see, what was the last thing that they talked

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about? Oh, go and do good deeds. Go do Torah.

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So that when people see the things you do, they

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glorify your God in heaven. Yep. Right? Your

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Father who is in heaven. And then, so then he's

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going to pick up and start going through, and

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he's going to start talking about some ideas

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behind Torah that have been wildly misunderstood

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in their day. And Jesus goes back and says, he's

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going to use a tool called, I forget what the

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name of it is, but it's a rabbinic tool. You

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have heard it said, but I say unto you. This

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is not... Upping the ante. No. Jesus is actually,

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we talked about this a little last week for those

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who are joining us. He's actually correcting

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two lines of thought. Yeah. We have misunderstand

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Torah Jewish line of thought that he's correcting.

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And then we also have the bleeding in of the

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Roman culture. Correct. Greek and Roman thought.

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And so he's correcting some of that as well.

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So when a rabbi says, you have heard it said,

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but I say unto you, whenever you see in the scriptures

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where they say he taught as one with authority,

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shmika is the Greek or Hebrew. is what they mean

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with authority in other words you're interpreting

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the original meaning and so jesus is going to

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go and do that so we're just going to jump in

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we are in matthew 5 going to start in verse 21

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read the first section here okay so right off

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the bat so right before this as far i tell you

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this is verse 24 i tell you that unless your

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righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees

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and the teachers of the law you will certainly

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not enter the kingdom of heaven now You have

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heard it said to the people long ago, you shall

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not murder. And anyone who murders will be subject

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to judgment. But I tell you that anyone who is

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angry with a brother or sister will be subject

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to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother

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or sister, raka, is answerable to the court.

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And anyone who says, you fool, will be in the

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danger of the fire of hell. Therefore, if you're

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offering your gift at the altar, and then remember

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that your brother or sister has something against

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you, leave your gift there in front of the altar.

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First, go and be reconciled to them. Then come

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and offer your gift. Settle matters quickly with

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your adversary who is taking you to court. Do

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it while you're... still together on the way,

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or your adversary may hand you over to the judge,

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and the judge may hand you over to the officer,

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and you may be thrown in prison. Truly I tell

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you, you will not get out until you pay the last

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penny. Okay. According to Jesus, when the law

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says in the Ten Commandments, you shall not commit

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murder, it means all of these things. This is

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the intention behind the law. Well, and what

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Jesus is correcting here is he's correcting the

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interpretation of relationship. Right. Because

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we often will interpret murder as an action,

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which it is, but why did that action take place?

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Right. Right. If you go back to our Exodus series,

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which I'll probably stitch in here, we did talk

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about the Ten Commandments. We talked about these

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vertical relationships, these horizontal relationships,

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and how loving God and loving others are actually

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connected inside of the Ten Commandments. And

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so murder isn't just about murder. It's also

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respecting and honoring the person that's in

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front of you. Yes. And so what Jesus is doing

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is he's saying, hey, it's not just about whether

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that person lives or dies. Yeah. Right? It's

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about your relationship with that person. Yeah.

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Yeah, so let's take a look here. But I tell you

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that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister

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will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who

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says to a brother or sister, Raka, is answerable

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to the court, and anyone who says you fool will

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be in danger of the fire of hell. Now, this is

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a little bit difficult in, I'm just going to

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say American culture, so I know we have some

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people that listen internationally. Cool, I love

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that. But in American culture, this is a little

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bit difficult because we say things all the time

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that we don't mean, right? That's very different

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in honor -shame culture, turn -of -the -century

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Jewish culture. What they say, their words, the

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things that they say, you don't say something

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if you don't mean it, right? If you're not willing

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to put your whole person behind it, right? And

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so when you're talking, you're calling your brother

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Sister Raka, which is basically moron. right

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or you're calling somebody a fool in other words

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like you you have no brain like you it's not

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it's not just a passing insult like i'm gonna

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make fun of spencer for his whatever right so

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you can't even think of it either no actually

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the problem was i had too many things and so

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i was like how do i narrow down to just one no

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no you're making that up but the uh so but it's

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it's it's a very different thing whereas if i

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was to uh The more equivalent is, like, if I

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was to actually try to impugn something about

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your character, it's a much more significant

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thing, right? Where I'm not only, it's not something

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I'm saying to be funny, even in anger, it's something

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I'm saying to literally hurt you. Yeah. Right?

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So Jesus is saying, he's like, hey, when you

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talk about people in this way, when you talk

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about them in order to tear them down, to rip

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them apart, to cause wounds, It's a problem,

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and it's the same as murdering. Not the same

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as obviously one person dies and one person is

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still alive, but it's the same concept. Do not

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murder was always supposed to turn you into the

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kind of person who lived at peace with those

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around you, who built people up. who cared about

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each other. Not who never messed around, but

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people who actually were invested in building

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each other up, not tearing or cutting into each

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other. That is a massive issue. We wouldn't think

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necessarily in the church today that murder is

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an issue, but according to Jesus, this law we

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struggle with because we still tear people down

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inside and outside the church all the time. I

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mean, just go listen to religious commentary

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on social media. You hear it all the time, right?

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And oftentimes what we do, and don't get me wrong,

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you've heard us say that we're not going to just

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go out and badmouth people, right? There is a

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time and place for correction, and there is a

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time and place to call someone out, right? But

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with that said, we often just jump to that to

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justify our thinking. Yeah. Right? And Jesus

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is—this passage will actually tie back into,

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I think it's later in Matthew, when it's talking

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about dealing with correction with a brother

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or sister, where it's saying, no, don't just

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immediately go to bad -mouthing them or taking

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them to the court. Right. Go have a conversation.

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Yeah. And if they're not going to listen to you,

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maybe bring a third party in to help mediate

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that conversation, right? Can you imagine if

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the— first time you found out somebody had an

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issue with you is when they brought it up in

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front of the entire church? Actually, I want

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to tell a story about this. I was a part of a

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charitable organization in town, and this person

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brought up a slight that they had with the other

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person. So we do this thing where we talk about

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things we're happy about that we've been engaged

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in the last week, right? We're like, hey, this

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was really cool, and we just tell them basically

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about cool things that have happened. Person

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gets up and they say, well, I was... talked down

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to and blah blah it goes on this really really

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long description of like everything that happened

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to them and then says and it was this person

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they're like sitting two chairs away from them

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and I have never been in as quite awkward of

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a situation or tense of a situation like because

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everybody was like what is going on right like

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it was it was weird for it to happen in that

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in that situation because like the person didn't

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had no idea they never talked nobody like uh

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like the people who are in charge of organization

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nobody talked to them there was just like we're

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going to bring it up in front of like 45 people

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all at once yeah and yeah And yeah, that's just

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ridiculous, right? I mean, it was, you know those

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situations where you're there and you're like,

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man, if I had a knife, I could just cut this

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and put it on a slice of bread because that's

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how thick it is. Yeah, right. In all the ministries

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that I've led, there's been one rule I've had

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about conflict. It was like, if you have an issue

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with me, come talk to me, right? And here's the

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deal. If you can't find the nerve to come talk

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to me about it. It must not be that big of a

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deal. Right. Right? Like, I'm here. I want to

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help resolve it. I want to be here for you. Yeah.

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Like, we're brothers, sisters in Christ. But

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it's like, if it's like, you know, I just can't

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work up the nerve to go talk to Spencer about

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it, I'll be like, all right, well then, can we

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at least call that out and say what that is?

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And at the very least, you couldn't grab one

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other person and say, hey, they're here just

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to sit with me while I talk with you. Yeah. Like,

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not to interject. They're just there to be there

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to be moral support while you go have a conversation.

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I'm fine with that. I've had that happen where

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somebody's like, because I have an intense personality.

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I don't know if you know that. Really? Yeah,

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I know. It's shocking to you. I know. And so

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sometimes people, like I can set people at edge

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with my personality, and they'll be like, oh,

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yeah, such and such needs to come. And they sit

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there, and I was like, yeah, let's talk. Right?

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We're just trying to figure it out. I'm cool

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with that. Though the downside to that is I feel

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like right before this you were talking about

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me. That hurts. Yeah, I've gotten to a point

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where I just really don't care if people badmouth

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me behind my back. I'm like, okay, if you're

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not going to come talk to me about it, then it's

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obviously not that big of a deal. That's good.

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Clearly, you're not reading the comments of our

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video. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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Just kidding. Nobody wrote anything. To be clear,

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I don't read the comments. That's true. Ben reads

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the comments and responds to some of them. I

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don't really go down that road. It's not that

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I don't want to talk to you. I just don't want

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to talk. So Jesus, I think it's interesting that

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the first thing he talks about is this law of

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murder, right? Because one of the first things

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that trip us up in following the faith, because

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what has he really been talking about? The kingdom

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of God is ready to interact with you, right?

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You're supposed to go and do good deeds. We're

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not abolishing the Torah. We're putting it on

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display. Be salt and light, right? Yeah. You're

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going to make each other mad. You know what you

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don't do? Tear each other apart. By the way,

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this section right here, this little section

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we're covering right now, and I'm probably spending

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too much time on it, and I don't care. This is

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80 % of the churches in fighting. If we could

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get a handle on this, we could figure a lot of

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things out. Not we have disagreements. Of course,

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we always have disagreements. Ben and I disagree

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on stuff. And my wife and I disagree. right?

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And then me and others, maybe I'm the problem.

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No, but you know, like... You know what? We'll

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go with that. We'll go with that. But if you

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get two personalities, nobody's going to agree

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about everything 100%. You have Jesus' followers

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being Essenes and Pharisees and Sadducees and

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Herodians and Zealots and tax collectors and

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women, right? They're not all going to agree.

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No. Right? And he says, so one of the first things

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you've got to know... is when you disagree, you

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know what you can't do? You can't just rip somebody

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a new one. You can't just, like, stab them in

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the back and be like, well, y 'all are Christians,

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so you gotta forgive me. I mean, it's true, but

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also, you're getting handed over to judgment.

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Like, you know what you're doing. You know how

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you're supposed to behave. Do not murder is supposed

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to do something in you beyond just not killing

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people. Right? Right? Like, 3 ,000 years ago,

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okay, don't murder. Totally on track with that.

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Yeah. It's been thousands of years. Yeah. It

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does more than that. So the other side, the other

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thing that this is correcting a little bit is

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the creeping in of Greek and Roman culture. Yeah.

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Right? Because the actually murder was entertainment.

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Yeah. Via the fights in the Colosseum. Well,

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and not just that. Let me read this section because

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this will play into the Greek and Roman. Settle

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matters quickly with your adversary who's taking

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you to court. Do it while you're still together

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on your way. Your adversary may hand you over

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to the judge, and the judge may hand you over

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to the officer, and you may be thrown in prison.

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Truly, I tell you, you will not be out until

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you've paid the last penny. Okay? Sounds a lot

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like Greek and Roman ideas to me. Right. Yeah.

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And so, you know, this idea of like, hey, don't

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murder. Like because Greek and the Greek and

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Roman culture were were very much like this person

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wronged me. I'm going to stab them. Like there

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was a lot of that that went on. And if you don't

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believe me, just look at go do your research

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on the number of Caesars who were assassinated

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or attempted or there was attempted assassinations

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on their life. It's actually really high. Yeah,

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really high. Really high. I mean, that's not

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even playing into how many senators were assassinated

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in the Republic and all sorts of stuff. No, and

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yeah, there's a whole thing to it. But Jesus

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is saying, hey, we're not going to be like them.

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It actually comes back to the idea of the Exodus

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where it's like, hey, actually, the people are

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going to leave Egypt and they're going to be

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set apart. You need to leave Egypt, though. Stop

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taking Egypt with you. In this case, don't take

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Rome with you. Don't take your human ideals into

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the kingdom of God. This is a massive thing,

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so I don't want to go off of it too quick, but

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I feel like we're going to beat it into the ground

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if we go any further. We just have to understand

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this thing about when we're engaging with each

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other, the goal is always restoration, not to

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be right. Yeah. Right? Like, it's okay to be

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right, but you shouldn't be, like, being right

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at the behest of someone else getting hurt is

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not helpful. No. Now, I hear clicking, clacking,

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and they're like, well, what if they're, like...

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preaching a heresy, and I was like, listen, you

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can't control whether or not people get hurt

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when you interact with them, just in general.

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I was like, but if it's as much as it's up to

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you, live at peace. You were talking about there's

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places for confrontation, right? If you are in

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authority over somebody, it's okay for you to

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go and have a conversation with them, though

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you need to respect your authority because it

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comes from God, right? And so you need to love

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the person that you're going to have a conversation

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with, or you need to have a connection with the

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person you're going to correct. you don't correct

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without connection. Nope. Because otherwise,

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you're not speaking truth and love, you're speaking

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something. And it's not in love. Nope. So if

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tearing each other down, anger, backbiting, all

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these different things are the number one thing

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that we see dealing with in the church, what

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would you say is the number two issue that we

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deal with inside of the church? Complacency.

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Complacency? Well, let me give you one up here.

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It actually shows up next. You have heard it

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said, you shall not commit adultery. But I tell

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you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully

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has already committed adultery with her in her

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heart. If your right eye causes you to stumble,

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gadget out, and throw it away, it's better for

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you to lose one part of your body than for your

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whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your

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right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off

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and throw it away, it's better for you to lose

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one part of your body than for your whole body

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to go into hell. Like, holy sexual ethics in

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the church, right? That is a problematic thing.

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It is, yeah. Pornography is rampant in the church.

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Sexual infidelity. People, you know, all sorts

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of stuff that goes in there. And like how many

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ministries have fallen because some pastor is

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not being held accountable, not being honest,

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like hiding things, has an affair, has whatever

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it is, right? It's a problem. It's like number

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one thing that tends to divide churches is people

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saying things, doing things they can't take back.

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Shortly right behind that is sexual issues, right?

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And it's a problem. And, you know, the hyperbole

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that he goes out here, one of the things that's

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interesting in some of the commentary, if you

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get into linguistics here, what they're not saying

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is to cut out your right eye. It's hyperbole

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being like, if it was a choice between your eye

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and going to hell, get rid of your eye. It's

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really interesting because it's hyperbole, right?

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They're giving an example of not what to do literally,

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but how to choose your battles, right? If it's

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like, hey, let's look at pornography or go to

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heaven. Those are your two options. They're saying,

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which one are you going to set down? Let's set

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down the pornography. If it's like, hey, if this

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thing is getting in the way of your relationship

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with Jesus, Because you're not content in the

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life that he's given you? Yeah. Right? then maybe

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we need to set those things aside and focus on

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Jesus, right? That's kind of what it's getting

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at here, right? It's not saying, please, please

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hear us loud and clear. We're not saying go gouge

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your eyes out every time you're like, hey, that

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woman's attractive or that guy's attractive,

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right? Because let's be real, we would have a

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very blind church very quickly. In fact, one

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of the things Paul's going to say later is he

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says that I take every thought captive, which

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means that Paul has thoughts. Right? Yeah. Because

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you can't take thoughts captive that you don't

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have. So we live in a fallen world. You're going

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to see things. The question is, what are you

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doing with those once you have them? Yeah. Right?

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Like, are you being intentional about, like,

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and I also love this whole idea of your right

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eye causes you to sin. Like, your eye is not

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in control of where it looks. It's your brain.

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And obviously, biblical authors are going to

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have a different understanding of anatomy than

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we do. But still, like, they would say your heart.

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would be controlling it. Also, your hand isn't

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causing you to sin. Something else is controlling

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your hand. And so the hyperbole here is, sure,

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you would cut those off, but it's kind of like

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a person who says, well, I struggle with pornography,

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so I just don't have a phone where I can access

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the internet. Okay, but does that actually address

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the issue of why you're looking at it? Do you

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actually value somebody, like the opposite sex,

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as images of God? Or do you see them as tools

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of pleasure? There's a hard issue there. And

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sure, you can get rid of your phone. What I'm

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not saying is there are great safe guides to

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try to break addiction. I'm not saying anything

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against those. But you can't live a life where

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it's like focusing on the punishment. You actually

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have to live into something, not away from something.

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If someone's listening and is struggling with

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this and this is hitting home, because this is

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kind of a heavy topic. It is a heavy topic. Right?

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And you're like, yeah, my phone is a real issue.

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There are actually accountability apps that you

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can download. I think Covenant Eyes is one of

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them. Yeah. Where you can download it and actually

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what it does is you give somebody else who's

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trusted in your life permission to see what you're

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actually looking at. Preferably somebody who's

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not going to call you Raka. Again, somebody who's

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trusted, who confessed the issue to them, be

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like, hey, this is an issue I've been dealing

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with. I need some accountability. There are ways

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that you can safeguard this. I don't want you

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to feel like you're alone. No, there are many,

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many people who struggle with this, and it is

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an ongoing struggle. This is one of the reasons

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why the problem is, because if you don't talk

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about it, it manifests in the dark. Remember

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a couple weeks ago, we were talking about Evil

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people do evil things in the dark and they don't

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like the light coming out. Yeah. The thing is

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that when they went to Samaria, they're in the

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light and they all bring their stuff out to Jesus,

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right? Light exposes sin and you have the ability

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to get rid of it. Yeah. Having conversations

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about this, real conversations, actually help

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you find freedom. Living by the Spirit, you are

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powerful enough through the change work of Jesus

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Christ and the empowering work of the Holy Spirit,

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you can conquer sin through His power. Yeah.

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Sometimes you need people around you who remind

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you that. And so we've talked about this too,

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but the other thing that Jesus is doing is he's

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counteracting a Roman practice. Sexual ethics

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are quite questionable in Rome. Yes. One of the

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things that actually was pretty common in Roman

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Greek culture was what they would call street

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pornography or street prostitutes, where it actually

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would literally just be a prostitute on the side

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of a street with a mat or something, and you

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could just... do your thing with them in public

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right there yeah that was a pretty common thing

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for a lot of roman cultures there's also like

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worship of the gods that there's like shrine

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prostitutes and all sorts of things like uh just

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very different yes Yeah, very different. And

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you get over to places like Ephesus, where you

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have the Temple of Aphrodite, right? And some

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of the practices that went on there. We're skimming

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the surface on this. Go do your own research

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on it. It is a very heavy topic to research.

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Just heads up on that. But so Jesus, again, he's

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not just saying, okay, let's talk about it from

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a Jewish perspective. He's like, we're also going

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to counteract. Yeah, and I think the bigger idea

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is, and when you come back where he's saying,

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listen, It's great that you're not stepping out

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on your wife, but when you're watching other

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people, when you're engaging in these activities,

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you are. You are stepping out on your spouse.

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And I'll say spouse rather than wife because

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it goes both ways. Don't commit adultery was

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not supposed to be about just not committing

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adultery. It was about having fidelity with the

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person you're with. Right. Actually investing

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into that relationship. So you actually value

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that person. Why does God say don't commit adultery?

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Because he's faithful. Right. That's who he is.

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So if we're going to be in his image, what do

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we got to be? Faithful. Faithful. Speaking of

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the next one, it says it has been said anyone

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who divorces his wife must give her a certificate

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of divorce. But I tell you that anyone who divorces

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his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes

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her the victim of adultery. And anyone who marries

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a divorced woman commits adultery. This section

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probably... You're just picking all the easy

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ones to talk about. It's in the Sermon on the

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Mount, man. I don't know what you want me to

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do. Wait, you're not skipping over hard text?

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No, I'm not skipping over hard text. I want to

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caveat everything we're about to say with people

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have used this section right here to beat people

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over the head and really make them feel bad.

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In situations where I don't know that there was

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an alternative. They've been using this as opposed

00:24:14.589 --> 00:24:17.089
to how to live into a kingdom principle. They've

00:24:17.089 --> 00:24:19.230
used it to beat people, slice them up. They've

00:24:19.230 --> 00:24:21.460
actually... done the first part where we're talking

00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:22.680
about murder. That's what they do with this.

00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:24.819
But can we put this part in its context, though?

00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.420
Yes. Because this part follows the sexual immorality

00:24:28.420 --> 00:24:31.099
piece, right? And then now it goes into divorce.

00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:34.099
So really, when I've read this passage, I've

00:24:34.099 --> 00:24:35.960
really actually taken these two spots and just

00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.200
kind of read them as one. Let me read it as one

00:24:38.200 --> 00:25:09.289
here. Yeah. Except for sexual. immorality makes

00:25:09.289 --> 00:25:11.950
her the victim of adultery and anyone who marries

00:25:11.950 --> 00:25:14.250
a divorced woman commits adultery. So do you

00:25:14.250 --> 00:25:17.190
hear how that flows as one piece right there?

00:25:17.349 --> 00:25:19.529
It's actually interesting to me because it's

00:25:19.529 --> 00:25:22.509
cut out your eye, cut off your hand, now the

00:25:22.509 --> 00:25:26.470
two become one flesh. And you're giving a certificate

00:25:26.470 --> 00:25:28.069
of divorce so you almost look at you're cutting

00:25:28.069 --> 00:25:32.180
off half of you. Right? Yeah. And so we have

00:25:32.180 --> 00:25:34.220
to always put this little passage in its context

00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.579
because we will use this to be like, okay, well,

00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:38.680
the only reason for divorce in Christian culture

00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:41.980
is sexual immorality. And I'm here to say, no,

00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:47.500
if you're in a relationship where someone's abusive

00:25:47.500 --> 00:25:52.380
or you're physically unsafe, right, there are

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:56.410
other reasons to step out. And we will have a

00:25:56.410 --> 00:25:58.569
conversation in a future episode on some of the

00:25:58.569 --> 00:26:00.170
texts that actually talk about this because this

00:26:00.170 --> 00:26:03.289
is specifically Jesus is speaking to. You remember

00:26:03.289 --> 00:26:05.269
at the beginning of Life of Jesus, I talked about

00:26:05.269 --> 00:26:07.269
eight great rabbinic debates. This is one of

00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:10.890
them. They have a disagreement about whether

00:26:10.890 --> 00:26:12.950
or not you can divorce a wife for anything. She

00:26:12.950 --> 00:26:16.369
burns your toast. She does anything that's incorrect.

00:26:16.470 --> 00:26:19.509
Or there's specific things that she does that

00:26:19.509 --> 00:26:21.029
you can divorce your wife. You can present her

00:26:21.029 --> 00:26:22.269
with the writ of divorce because you're just

00:26:22.269 --> 00:26:25.789
not wanting to be married anymore. And it's interesting

00:26:25.789 --> 00:26:29.230
that Jesus actually, what he does here is he

00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:32.269
gives women some certainty, right? He gives them

00:26:32.269 --> 00:26:34.670
some, which by the way is happening in Torah

00:26:34.670 --> 00:26:36.670
throughout. He's getting them some security.

00:26:36.750 --> 00:26:38.470
You can't just divorce your wife because you're

00:26:38.470 --> 00:26:41.130
unhappy with the way she cooked. Yeah. Or the

00:26:41.130 --> 00:26:44.349
fact that, you know, X, Y, or Z. Like that's

00:26:44.349 --> 00:26:47.509
problematic. And he says, hey, you know that

00:26:47.509 --> 00:26:51.890
debate that's going on right now? You can't do

00:26:51.890 --> 00:26:55.700
that. Yeah. Marriage is about growing together.

00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.480
Yeah. Right. So I'm going to give you an example.

00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.539
I'm going to throw my wife under the bus. I know

00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:02.920
she doesn't listen and she'll acknowledge 100

00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.000
% what I'm about to say here. When Lindsay and

00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.480
I got married, Lindsay could not cook to save

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.759
her life. All right. Like it was like she would

00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.059
like she smoked us out of the house one time

00:27:15.059 --> 00:27:17.319
because she tried to like fry jalapenos and like

00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.859
we were all like in the house like crying. Yeah.

00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.140
Because it's. fricking fried jalapenos. And so

00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:26.119
we're all like out on the deck and like, you

00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.839
know, this was, this was the early stages of

00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.559
marriage. Right. Right. Okay. Now fast forward

00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.319
10 years. All right. And if Lindsay's like, Hey,

00:27:33.339 --> 00:27:34.980
I'm going to make a meal. It's actually, it's

00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:37.259
going to be really good. Right. She's, I mean

00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:39.500
like, uh, example, she makes really good hot

00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:41.980
dog buns. Like, like makes real, like likes to

00:27:41.980 --> 00:27:44.119
make everything from scratch and it tastes delicious.

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.359
Right. Um, but the reality, the reality is, is,

00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:52.019
um, we had to grow together in that, right? Like

00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:54.119
she had to be like, okay, I'm going to do better

00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:57.059
at this. Yeah. Right. She's like, I want to be

00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:59.000
faithful with my husband and I want to give him

00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.720
the best I can and I'm going to be better when

00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.220
it comes to this type of stuff. And, and like

00:28:04.220 --> 00:28:06.480
the point being, yeah, is that like a lot of

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.119
times we'll find the little things like, ah,

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.859
it's just not quite what I want. And it's like,

00:28:11.900 --> 00:28:14.559
okay, we'll have a conversation. Well, and that,

00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.509
that even shows up in the text. Because like,

00:28:16.589 --> 00:28:18.410
what's the issue with adultery? It's not just

00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:19.730
committing adultery, it's looking at somebody

00:28:19.730 --> 00:28:22.089
lustfully. Yeah. And you're, as like, if you're

00:28:22.089 --> 00:28:24.089
not invested in the fidelity of your marriage,

00:28:24.250 --> 00:28:27.259
and you're looking around. to see what else is

00:28:27.259 --> 00:28:29.299
out there, and you're like, I like that more

00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:31.279
than I like this, and I'm just going to present

00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.920
you with a writ of divorce, the whole attitude

00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.720
is problematic. Yeah. In fidelity in marriage,

00:28:36.779 --> 00:28:39.539
it's not just about intercourse, right? Right.

00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.140
It's about life together, and how are you living

00:28:42.140 --> 00:28:44.960
life that honors the other person? Yeah. Well,

00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.859
it's an important part of marriage, but it is

00:28:48.859 --> 00:28:52.359
not the most substantial part. No. Right? It

00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:54.039
is a crucial part, but it's not substantial.

00:28:54.619 --> 00:28:56.299
You're talking about intercourse. Intercourse,

00:28:56.299 --> 00:28:58.200
yeah. I was like, your marriage is going to be

00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:59.799
built on much more than just that. It's partnership.

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:04.039
It's faithfulness and love and compassion and

00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.180
building your lives together. A lot of times

00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:11.359
now, my wife Tara and I, we just know what the

00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:12.819
other person is thinking without having to do

00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:18.180
anything. Sometimes I don't know how to... engage

00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:20.819
things without her because I'm like, well, I'm

00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:23.220
so used to having her here, you know, and she

00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:25.680
fills in like those, like, you know who I am.

00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.940
Yeah. So like, like my wife's traveled some this

00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:30.920
summer and I've stayed, I've stayed back here

00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:35.000
to work and, um, and it puts things into perspective

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.380
of like, Oh, just how much she does around the

00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:40.299
house because she loves us. Yeah. Right. Right.

00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.579
And like, and, and it's like, Oh. OK, like because

00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.400
sometimes you can take that for granted and sometimes

00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:49.619
you can kind of you can kind of drift apart and

00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:53.059
be like, OK, you know, like she just does this.

00:29:53.140 --> 00:29:55.519
I just do this. These are roles type thing. Right.

00:29:55.579 --> 00:29:57.099
You can kind of get in that rut. And it's like,

00:29:57.140 --> 00:30:00.500
no, why are you doing that? And so so we had

00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:02.980
recommended in the last episode, I recommended

00:30:02.980 --> 00:30:06.240
a book called The Grand Conspiracy, The Divine

00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:09.680
Conspiracy by Dallas Willard. And he does a thing

00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:10.940
where he's going through here, but hopefully

00:30:10.940 --> 00:30:13.160
you're starting to see this pattern. First thing

00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.680
we're talking about, the don't murder is supposed

00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.420
to be about not attacking other people and about

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:23.019
finding ways to actually build them up. And,

00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.380
oh, by the way, be faithful. to people. Don't

00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:28.539
go looking for the other thing that's out there.

00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:31.119
And don't be looking for a reason to get rid

00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.460
of people, especially your spouse, your closest

00:30:33.460 --> 00:30:35.619
relationship. These are all connected. So then

00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:38.240
we get here again, it says, coming into oaths.

00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:40.299
Again, you have heard it said to people long

00:30:40.299 --> 00:30:42.759
ago, do not break your oath, but fulfill to the

00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:45.299
Lord the vows that you have made. But I tell

00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:47.900
you, do not swear an oath at all, either by heaven,

00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.319
for it is God's throne, or by the earth, for

00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.119
it is the footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it

00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:54.660
is the city of the great king. And do not swear...

00:30:59.600 --> 00:31:07.240
Okay, so why does he say this? There's, I mean,

00:31:07.259 --> 00:31:09.539
there's all throughout Scripture things that

00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:12.359
he's talking about, right, through here. I can

00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:13.980
think of many stories. Let's just take Judah

00:31:13.980 --> 00:31:17.140
and Tamar. Yeah. He makes a vow that he's going

00:31:17.140 --> 00:31:21.019
to do this thing. One, that he's going to make

00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:23.319
sure that his third son marries Tamar, and then

00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:26.160
he doesn't do that. And then Tamar goes and secures

00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.140
a child by her own stuff. And he, in that situation,

00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:31.500
vows a certain amount of money and prestige to

00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:33.960
her as well. Okay? I don't know if you guys have

00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.299
read that story. It's in Genesis, I think, 35,

00:31:36.380 --> 00:31:40.140
somewhere in there. It's a weird story. Right?

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.819
Yeah. There are lots of stories like this in

00:31:42.819 --> 00:31:45.400
the Bible where people make oaths by heaven.

00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:48.519
And by the way, words aren't cheap here. No.

00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.920
Right? The words aren't cheap. So when you make

00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.279
this oath, God expects you to fulfill it. Yeah.

00:31:54.339 --> 00:31:56.960
And they put themselves in these oaths. And think

00:31:56.960 --> 00:32:01.960
about this context of adultery and looking out

00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:03.859
and seeing these different people and divorcing.

00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:05.579
And then you make oaths. If you make oaths to

00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:07.079
people that you can't fulfill because you're

00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.940
in commitment, oh, good golly. Yep. Right? Mm

00:32:10.940 --> 00:32:13.960
-hmm. It's much better to just be yes or no.

00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.769
Yep. And by the way, you did make oaths when

00:32:17.769 --> 00:32:22.569
you got married. Yeah. And so all of this right

00:32:22.569 --> 00:32:25.609
now is written in the context of relationships

00:32:25.609 --> 00:32:28.130
with each other and there's a context of marriage,

00:32:28.289 --> 00:32:31.450
right? And when we're talking about yes be yes,

00:32:31.630 --> 00:32:37.089
no be no, okay? I think what happens is so often

00:32:37.089 --> 00:32:40.789
we take offense to that, right? I've had a number

00:32:40.789 --> 00:32:42.650
of conversations where people are just like,

00:32:42.809 --> 00:32:45.450
well, I don't know what to do here, blah, blah,

00:32:45.470 --> 00:32:47.170
blah. I was like, okay, what are some boundaries

00:32:47.170 --> 00:32:49.750
you've set up in your life? And they're like,

00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:53.670
oh, well, that's really hard to do because that

00:32:53.670 --> 00:32:56.630
means I have to say no to some things or some

00:32:56.630 --> 00:32:59.529
people. And I'm like, yes, correct. It is. But

00:32:59.529 --> 00:33:01.589
I can guarantee you when you set up those boundaries

00:33:01.589 --> 00:33:03.670
and you have your yes be yes and your no be no,

00:33:03.789 --> 00:33:06.430
those relationships are going to be a lot healthier.

00:33:09.330 --> 00:33:12.150
And it also just not beating around the bush

00:33:12.150 --> 00:33:14.289
on it, just being like, hey, yeah, just be like,

00:33:14.309 --> 00:33:15.769
hey, yeah, that sounds great. I can do that.

00:33:15.809 --> 00:33:18.650
Hey, I can't do that. Or I'm unable to do that

00:33:18.650 --> 00:33:22.089
or whatever. Right. What it does is it also provides

00:33:22.089 --> 00:33:24.730
clarity for the other person. So the other person's

00:33:24.730 --> 00:33:28.029
not left wondering. Now, often what we do in

00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:29.849
relationships, though, is we get into this like,

00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:33.349
oh, like, how do you like we'll get into this.

00:33:33.369 --> 00:33:35.769
Like, how do you feel about that when it comes

00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:38.180
to stuff that doesn't matter? Like, how do you

00:33:38.180 --> 00:33:40.000
feel about your coffee being too hot? I was like,

00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:43.599
I don't care, right? Like, that's a silly example,

00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:47.319
right? It's a silly example for us, but there's

00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:49.539
probably people who fight over that. Yeah, or

00:33:49.539 --> 00:33:51.359
this is a controversial one. How do you feel

00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:54.130
about pineapple on pizza? right there's some

00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:56.670
people that you just like they they quit listening

00:33:56.670 --> 00:33:58.650
their hackles right we just lost 10 subscribers

00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:02.650
right uh right uh and they'll be like oh how

00:34:02.650 --> 00:34:05.529
do you feel about that when when reality is if

00:34:05.529 --> 00:34:07.750
you asked beforehand being like hey do you like

00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:09.849
pineapple on pizza and someone was like yes and

00:34:09.849 --> 00:34:12.510
the other person was like no okay yeah you have

00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:14.869
clarity yeah you have clarity you have understanding

00:34:14.869 --> 00:34:16.610
in your relationship that's what this brings

00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.400
So this idea of yes, no boundaries, holding fast

00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.300
to your word. If you're going to make an oath,

00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.300
just make it simple. Yes, no. Don't swear by

00:34:27.300 --> 00:34:30.860
heaven. Don't swear by the city. Show up and

00:34:30.860 --> 00:34:33.000
do what you're supposed to do and also be okay

00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.639
saying no. This next section is starting then

00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:40.320
because we've moved from individuals like overall,

00:34:40.460 --> 00:34:43.280
there's like fighting, marriage, divorce. Now

00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.400
we're talking about O's like in general, right?

00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:47.420
But it's kind of like this hinge piece. The next

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:49.119
section is one that we're very familiar with.

00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.360
You've heard it said, you have heard it that

00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.960
is said. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth. But I

00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.179
tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone

00:34:57.179 --> 00:34:59.320
slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.400
other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue

00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.880
you and take your shirt, hand over your coat

00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.039
as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile,

00:35:06.219 --> 00:35:08.340
go with them for two miles. Give to the one who

00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:10.320
asks you and do not turn away from the one who

00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.000
wants to borrow from you. Okay, this is right

00:35:14.000 --> 00:35:16.519
again, personal interpersonal relationship. What

00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:18.340
is eye for eye, tooth for tooth? What is the

00:35:18.340 --> 00:35:21.360
law always supposed to do? It was supposed to

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.340
make it so that you didn't seek an eye for a

00:35:24.340 --> 00:35:27.119
tooth or a life for an eye, right? It's about

00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:30.340
non -escalation, about not growing this growing

00:35:30.340 --> 00:35:32.619
divide. It's about learning to live at peace

00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:34.900
with the people around you. Now, what Jesus is

00:35:34.900 --> 00:35:37.199
not saying here is that you need to be a doormat

00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.059
for people. So we've talked about this before,

00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:40.639
so I'm going to go through it kind of quick.

00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:45.900
If I am, it says don't resist an evil person,

00:35:46.059 --> 00:35:47.719
but if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, you

00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:50.460
turn to them your other cheek also. If I slap

00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:52.559
you on the right cheek, I either slapped you

00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:55.159
with my left hand, which in Palestinian culture

00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.400
is the doo -doo hand. That's the hand you wipe

00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.480
with. Or I struck you with my right hand, back

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.360
hand, which is the way that you hit a slave or

00:36:02.360 --> 00:36:05.039
somebody who's lesser than you. So if somebody

00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:09.559
hits you and shows you disrespect, turn to them

00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:11.579
your other cheek and force them to see you as

00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:15.510
human. Right? This is not about just getting

00:36:15.510 --> 00:36:17.630
hit a second time. This is about acknowledging

00:36:17.630 --> 00:36:21.170
the injustice in front of you. If somebody sues

00:36:21.170 --> 00:36:24.070
you for, anyone wants to sue you and take your

00:36:24.070 --> 00:36:27.050
shirt, hand them over your coat as well. So if

00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:28.889
they want to literally take the clothes off your

00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:30.969
back, you literally toss them everything and

00:36:30.969 --> 00:36:33.730
sit down there naked in front of them and point

00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:36.610
out the injustice of who they are. This is not

00:36:36.610 --> 00:36:38.510
about not doing anything. It's about standing

00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:42.170
in the midst of chaos with nonviolence, but confronting.

00:36:43.030 --> 00:36:46.230
If somebody wants to have you go one mile, okay,

00:36:46.250 --> 00:36:48.610
this is a Roman practice, right, where they can

00:36:48.610 --> 00:36:52.150
force anybody to take their stuff one mile. Then

00:36:52.150 --> 00:36:56.130
you go two miles. Now, the problem is that second

00:36:56.130 --> 00:36:58.590
mile, even though you voluntarily do it, could

00:36:58.590 --> 00:37:01.050
very well get those Roman soldiers into trouble.

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And once again, you are putting their injustice

00:37:03.150 --> 00:37:06.510
on display. The other thing that's happening

00:37:06.510 --> 00:37:09.829
is you're living, you're the other, the person

00:37:09.829 --> 00:37:12.769
who's receiving the injustice. One thing that's

00:37:12.769 --> 00:37:14.210
interesting here is they're actually silent.

00:37:14.550 --> 00:37:17.010
They're just living. They're like, okay, I'm

00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:19.389
just going to be someone who is gracious and

00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:23.150
faithful and the world will see who you really

00:37:23.150 --> 00:37:26.420
are. Yeah. Right. You're literally putting it

00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:30.019
on display. You're allowing their deeds. Interesting,

00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:32.360
because you do your good deeds, and it's going

00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:34.320
to remind people of your Father in Heaven. Here,

00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.519
you're silent, but you put their bad deeds on

00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.039
display. It's interesting. Yeah. Well, what it's

00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:41.519
doing is, what you're actually doing is, you're

00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.559
still putting your good deeds on display, and

00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.719
it's highlighting their bad deeds as part of

00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:48.800
it. So connecting this to the next idea, and

00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:49.940
that's probably where we're going to end this

00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:55.230
episode for today. So you're confronting them,

00:37:55.289 --> 00:37:57.550
and so typically the people who are going to

00:37:57.550 --> 00:37:59.130
be hitting you, they're going to be suing you,

00:37:59.250 --> 00:38:01.150
they're going to be forcing you, are going to

00:38:01.150 --> 00:38:05.360
be your enemies. So you've heard it said, love

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.599
your neighbor and hate your enemies. But I tell

00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:09.539
you, love your enemies and pray for those who

00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:11.739
persecute you, that you may be children of your

00:38:11.739 --> 00:38:14.400
Father in heaven. He causes his Son to rise in

00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.719
the evil and the good, and he sends his reign

00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:18.539
on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you

00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:20.380
love those who love you, what reward will you

00:38:20.380 --> 00:38:24.079
get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.719
Now, by the way, Jesus loves tax collectors,

00:38:25.820 --> 00:38:29.460
right? And if you greet only your own people,

00:38:30.329 --> 00:38:32.489
What are you doing more than others? Do not even

00:38:32.489 --> 00:38:34.889
pagans do that. Be perfect, therefore, as your

00:38:34.889 --> 00:38:39.250
heavenly Father is perfect. So the point of standing

00:38:39.250 --> 00:38:43.289
in justice is not to make the other person evil.

00:38:43.829 --> 00:38:47.230
It's actually because you love them. You're confronting

00:38:47.230 --> 00:38:49.829
who they are, not through violence, but through

00:38:49.829 --> 00:38:53.869
silence, to your opinion, to your point, for

00:38:53.869 --> 00:38:56.030
the purpose of them changing. For the purpose

00:38:56.030 --> 00:38:58.469
of them seeing who they are right there and giving

00:38:58.469 --> 00:39:02.610
them the ability to change. The opposite of love

00:39:02.610 --> 00:39:06.489
is not hate, it's apathy. When we don't care

00:39:06.489 --> 00:39:09.610
about people around us, it's problematic. When

00:39:09.610 --> 00:39:11.650
we don't care about people who are broken or

00:39:11.650 --> 00:39:13.989
hurting or even the evil people in our world,

00:39:14.150 --> 00:39:19.010
that's a problem. I don't love that Jesus tells

00:39:19.010 --> 00:39:21.130
me I have to love my enemies. No, me neither.

00:39:21.750 --> 00:39:26.630
But I do understand that it is what puts the

00:39:26.630 --> 00:39:28.809
world back together. And this is just, you're

00:39:28.809 --> 00:39:30.309
saying this, but we're just going to reiterate

00:39:30.309 --> 00:39:33.170
it. This part right here is really an invitation

00:39:33.170 --> 00:39:36.170
to view people how God views people. Correct.

00:39:36.449 --> 00:39:39.170
Right? It's not, like, we'll often be like, okay,

00:39:39.190 --> 00:39:40.650
love your enemy, but then we'll still secretly

00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:42.250
be like, they're my enemy. And it's like, well,

00:39:42.309 --> 00:39:43.869
no, because if you actually are being loving

00:39:43.869 --> 00:39:45.250
towards your enemy, they're actually going to

00:39:45.250 --> 00:39:49.409
turn to being your friend. Yep. Yeah. And so

00:39:49.409 --> 00:39:52.050
it's an invitation to be like, we're God saying,

00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:54.860
hey, you know how much I love you? It's like

00:39:54.860 --> 00:39:57.099
that person over there that you've been bad mouthing.

00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:00.460
He's like, I love them just as much. Yeah. Right.

00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:03.400
It's that invitation to be like, okay, we are.

00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:07.059
And when, and, and oftentimes reality is sometimes

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:08.900
we view this in the context of like, okay, well,

00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.840
I, I'm a Christian. I go to church. That person's

00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:13.199
not, which is like, okay, well then that person

00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:15.059
still needs Jesus and Jesus still loves them.

00:40:15.340 --> 00:40:18.119
And then if you get it, get into it in the context

00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.000
of two believers, right? Then you have to jump

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:23.239
over to first John where first John's like, okay,

00:40:23.789 --> 00:40:25.070
Where John's like, all right, here's the deal.

00:40:25.130 --> 00:40:28.269
If you say you love God, but you hate your brother

00:40:28.269 --> 00:40:30.710
and sister, you're just a liar. Yeah. Right?

00:40:30.849 --> 00:40:34.010
He just calls it out. Yeah. And so you have to

00:40:34.010 --> 00:40:36.269
wrestle with that, right? Because Paul's making

00:40:36.269 --> 00:40:38.230
the statement, he says, the way that you love

00:40:38.230 --> 00:40:40.090
other people tells whether or not you love God.

00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:43.289
Yeah. The way that you treat people, especially

00:40:43.289 --> 00:40:46.559
people you don't like. Yeah. says how you feel

00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:50.159
about God. Yes. You want a barometer of how much

00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.019
you actually love God? Think about the way you

00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:54.519
treat people you don't like. It's going to tell

00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.179
you. And you know what? I hope that you're better

00:40:57.179 --> 00:40:59.079
at it today than you were a week ago or a year

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.980
ago. God's not expecting perfection, but it's

00:41:02.980 --> 00:41:06.840
a process, right? Yep. So I want to reiterate

00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.960
real quick here as we're coming into a close.

00:41:09.739 --> 00:41:12.599
Last week we said Sermon on the Mount. The kingdom

00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:14.360
of God is here. It's ready to interact with you.

00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:15.820
Now, I want to talk to you about what this kingdom

00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:17.679
looks like. There's a certain kind of people

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.679
that are supposed to live a certain kind of way,

00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.320
and when you live this way, you're going to get

00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.900
chastised. Yep. That's okay. You're going to

00:41:25.900 --> 00:41:27.360
be blessed in the middle of it. You're going

00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:29.400
to be salt. You're going to be light. Go do your

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.320
good deeds so they glorify your Father in heaven.

00:41:31.380 --> 00:41:33.980
Now, I'm going to remind you about things from

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:36.480
Torah and what they were supposed to do in you,

00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.760
and we're not doing away with them. We're trying

00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:39.940
to understand what they were always supposed

00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:43.860
to be. Yep. Live into caring about the people

00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:47.679
around you. Don't just avoid killing them. Right?

00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:51.360
Practice fidelity. Don't just not cheat on your

00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:56.480
spouse. Value commitment. Don't just throw away

00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:02.920
relationships. What you say matters. Yes. Don't

00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:07.599
escalate fights. Correct injustice, but also

00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.239
love those people that you're standing against.

00:42:10.029 --> 00:42:12.610
Which, by the way, in their case, is the Romans.

00:42:13.610 --> 00:42:16.090
The people who came in and conquered them and

00:42:16.090 --> 00:42:18.969
have put them into slavery and taxation. Literally

00:42:18.969 --> 00:42:21.750
taking all their money. Yep. He says, those guys.

00:42:22.989 --> 00:42:26.329
In fact, going the mile, that's just a Roman

00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:30.210
practice. So definitely talking about Rome. Love

00:42:30.210 --> 00:42:32.710
those people. Because if you just love the people

00:42:32.710 --> 00:42:35.070
who look just like you and treat you well, you're

00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:36.670
a part of a kingdom. It's just not the kingdom

00:42:36.670 --> 00:42:38.929
of God. Yep. And I think that's really challenging

00:42:38.929 --> 00:42:41.989
for us because it's really easy to love people

00:42:41.989 --> 00:42:43.750
who are lovable. It's really hard to love people

00:42:43.750 --> 00:42:49.010
who are, as I like to say, stupid. Yes. Yeah.

00:42:49.170 --> 00:42:51.949
Right. And yeah, I mean, and we all have unique

00:42:51.949 --> 00:42:54.510
personalities, right? Like we're all created

00:42:54.510 --> 00:42:57.210
uniquely. We are going to naturally be drawn

00:42:57.210 --> 00:43:00.110
to different people. Yep. Right. But what do

00:43:00.110 --> 00:43:04.530
you do when you have to love that person who

00:43:04.530 --> 00:43:07.639
annoys the crap out of you? Love that person

00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.400
that you just want to grab them by the shoulders

00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:16.659
and be like, get it together. That's what we're

00:43:16.659 --> 00:43:19.260
talking about. It's how do you see people through

00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:23.539
Jesus' eyes to where you can love them like Jesus

00:43:23.539 --> 00:43:26.300
loves them. All right, that's going to be it

00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:28.400
for us today. We're going to kick up part three

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.780
next week. I think it's going to be part three,

00:43:30.820 --> 00:43:33.789
and that's going to be it. but depending on where

00:43:33.789 --> 00:43:35.369
our conversation goes next week, I know that

00:43:35.369 --> 00:43:37.570
we are going to come back on a portion of the

00:43:37.570 --> 00:43:39.010
Sermon on the Mount that talks about prayer in

00:43:39.010 --> 00:43:40.809
a separate episode because we want to talk about

00:43:40.809 --> 00:43:44.030
the practice of prayer. If you have been listening

00:43:44.030 --> 00:43:47.429
to us for a while and you are wanting to revisit

00:43:47.429 --> 00:43:49.670
season one, I got good news. We wrote a book.

00:43:50.329 --> 00:43:52.230
We took the conversations from the first season,

00:43:52.309 --> 00:43:53.789
and you're in the middle of recording the audio

00:43:53.789 --> 00:43:55.610
book. That's probably going to be available in

00:43:55.610 --> 00:43:57.969
the next month or so. And all the proceeds from

00:43:57.969 --> 00:43:59.849
that book, audio, everything, is going to go

00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:03.670
to local ministries with Young Life. I have a

00:44:03.670 --> 00:44:05.349
book that's out, Beautiful Chaos is currently

00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:07.730
on Amazon. If you want to read about what it

00:44:07.730 --> 00:44:09.889
means to be part of the family of God, we use

00:44:09.889 --> 00:44:12.449
the analogy of becoming a parent. That's a good

00:44:12.449 --> 00:44:14.050
conversation to have. I think it's a good thing

00:44:14.050 --> 00:44:16.909
for us to correct. I was having this conversation

00:44:16.909 --> 00:44:18.190
with somebody and they were just talking about

00:44:18.190 --> 00:44:20.309
how they're like, man, I always thought that

00:44:20.309 --> 00:44:22.030
God was mad with me and he just wants me to come

00:44:22.030 --> 00:44:25.409
home. And I said, I'm glad that I wrote my book

00:44:25.409 --> 00:44:29.090
then, because if you understand that now. I'm

00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:31.969
so happy. Yeah. So happy about that. So there's

00:44:31.969 --> 00:44:35.469
more stuff coming. Spencer and I do lots of stuff

00:44:35.469 --> 00:44:38.849
and get into all sorts of shenanigans. So we're

00:44:38.849 --> 00:44:40.750
going to keep you posted. Yeah. And if you guys

00:44:40.750 --> 00:44:42.489
are like, man, it takes them a long time to get

00:44:42.489 --> 00:44:44.969
some of the books and stuff like that. We're

00:44:44.969 --> 00:44:46.849
waiting for that. Thank you for your patience.

00:44:47.050 --> 00:44:50.630
Ben and I work full -time jobs. Yep. Sometimes

00:44:50.630 --> 00:44:53.630
more than one. Sometimes more than one. And so

00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:55.250
this is something we're doing on the side. So

00:44:55.250 --> 00:44:59.159
it just takes us a little bit longer. All right.

00:44:59.179 --> 00:45:05.309
Well, until next time. Podcast. And that's a

00:45:05.309 --> 00:45:07.710
wrap for today's episode of Love and Context.

00:45:07.809 --> 00:45:09.949
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00:45:09.949 --> 00:45:12.250
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00:45:12.250 --> 00:45:14.409
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00:45:14.409 --> 00:45:17.050
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