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Welcome to Season 3 of Love & Context. This season,

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we're exploring the life of Jesus, step -by -step,

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and uncovering what His story teaches us about

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loving God and others. Here on Love & Context,

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we're all about having real conversations about

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how to live out that love in practical, everyday

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ways, and understanding the Bible in its full

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context. We're so glad you're here. Let's dive

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into Season 3 of Love & Context. Welcome back

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to the Love and Context podcast. We are talking

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about Jesus. Finally. All season. All season

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we're talking about Jesus. Yes, finally. Two

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seasons of no Jesus and finally. We haven't talked

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about Jesus at all. That's not true. That's not

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true at all. That's not true at all. I was just

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being facetious. Yeah, no, it's fine. Because

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I can. I'm going to pique some people's interest

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here because we're going to be working on this,

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but we may or may not, you and I may or may not

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be working on season one, converting it into

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a book. I think we are working on it. We are

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working on it. I said may or may not, like facetiously,

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but obviously I know that we are. Whether we

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release it, that's another question. We'll probably

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release it. Yeah, at least as one that people

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can order, you know, one of those self -published

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ones. But I was reading it and I was like, and

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I was reading season one and I was like. so I'm

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going through the transcript and and you know

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you you kind of like shape the conversation a

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little bit and In other words, he cut me out.

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Yeah completely out like Spencer doesn't exist

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anymore in the book But sometimes you'll have

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like a spot and you take out all the things in

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the transcripts and so it's just a bunch of lines

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of like dialogue and There's early on when we're

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talking. It's like right sure uh -huh like um

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yeah and so like literally for like 15 like segments

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no idea what you're talking about yeah so if

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you haven't listened to our first episode in

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a while you should go back and check that one

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out um i think we've gotten better i think so

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sort of yeah yeah but we'll see but anyways that

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that's the thing that's coming so if that is

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somewhere where somebody's like oh that sounds

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fun i love reading books first of all i love

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you because i love also love reading books Uh,

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other people tolerate reading books. I love reading

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books. I like reading books too. I just don't

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read at your pace. Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Not

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many do. Yeah. Ben's like, I'm going to read

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hundreds of books in a year. And I'm like, I'm

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going to read hundreds of books before I die.

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Did I, did I tell you? Okay. So many of you who

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are listening, no pastor Nick and he listens

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to this. So I'm just going to. throw them under

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the bus a little bit here. So I have a challenge

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for myself, which by the way, you can hold me

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accountable to and ask me at the end of the season,

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whether or not I made it, um, is that this year

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I'm trying to read all the books that I own and

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haven't read before the year is done. And if

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I don't make it, then I have to get rid of them.

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Right. So, cause I give myself like a consequence.

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Right. And so I was telling, uh, pastor Nick

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about that. And he says, well, how many books

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do you own that you haven't read? And I was like,

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I don't know, like 140, 150. he goes you have

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150 books you haven't read that you own i said

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nick nick look at me it could be drugs it could

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be drugs and it's not so um so anyways if you're

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if some of you are listening you're like man

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150 books is a lot listen it could be drugs and

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uh so i have i have an addiction of a different

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sort yep yep um all right so we have talked about

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like what are the gospels and then last week

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we talked about this uh um this proclamation,

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these genealogies of Jesus and this call for

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both Mary and Joseph. Today, we're going to look

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at a group of people, the shepherds, and then

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we're going to talk about Anna and Simeon at

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the temple as Jesus is being presented. And we're

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going to have a conversation about that. So that's

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where we're going to be today, mostly in Luke

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2. So that's going to be the places you're going

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to want to go. All right. So with that being

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said, the shepherds are referenced in Luke 2,

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8 through 20. And so I'm going to read that right

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now. It says, And there were shepherds living

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out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over

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their flocks at night. An angel of the Lord appeared

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to them, and the glory of the Lord shone down

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around them, and they were terrified. That was

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a good timing for that ding. But the angel said

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to them, do not be afraid. I bring you good news

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that will cause you great joy for all the people.

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By the way, can I just, the descriptions that

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they've had of angels throughout like the Bible

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and Revelation and apocalyptic books, there's

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a reason that they have to say, don't be afraid.

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Because clearly they're terrifying. Yeah. Right?

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They look and they're like, ah! That's scary.

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Well, you've seen those reels where it's like,

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well, I think an angel looks like, and then it

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pops up a picture of like what the Bible actually

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says they look like. Well, I think the shows

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like Touched by an Angel, for example, kind of

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ruin that for us. Like we start to think like,

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oh, angels just look like humans. Sometimes.

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but also not sometimes. So anyways, coming back

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to this. Today in the town of David, a savior

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has been born to you. He is the Messiah, the

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Lord. This will be a sign to you. You will find

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a baby wrapped in clothes and lying in a manger.

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Suddenly, a great host of the heavenly. a great

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company of the heavenly host appeared with the

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angel praising God and saying glory to God in

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the highest heaven and on earth, peace to those

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on whom his favor rests. When the angel had left

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them and gone into the heaven, the shepherd said

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to one another, let's go to Bethlehem. Cause

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they know where the city of David is and see

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this thing that has happened, which the Lord

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has told us about. So they hurried off and found

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Mary and Joseph and the baby who was lying in

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the manger. When they had seen him, they spread

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the word concerning. Sorry, word concerning what

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had been told them about this child. And all

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who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds

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said to them. But Mary treasured up these things

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and pondered them in her heart. The shepherds

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returned, glorifying and praising God for all

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the things they had heard and seen, which were

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just as they had been told. All right. We're

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going to pause there because the next part talks

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about being presented at the temple. All right.

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Broad context. Shepherds. Uh, very necessary.

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Not highly thought of. No. Right. Uh, it's, it's

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kind of a marginalized and humble profession,

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which is kind of ironic because there's tons

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of connections to like David who becomes King

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as a shepherd. And yet it's still kind of like

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a marginalized profession. Yeah. It'd be the

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equivalent of us thinking, say plumbers. Yeah.

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Plumbers or even like septic tank cleaners. Yeah.

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Right. It's always a job. It's always a profession

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that's talked about in school. Yeah. Always.

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You know, first of all, I want to say those guys

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make good money and it is a stinky job, but there

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is going to be a lot of use for it. Yeah. Yeah.

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So shepherds kind of fall in that same vein where

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it's like they're not well thought of, but lambs

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are used for sacrifice. They're used for food.

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They're used for clothing. They're used for a

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lot of the backbone of their economy at the time.

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And so it's a very needed job. But it's also

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one of those things where it's like, OK, we want

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people to do this, but we don't want to do it.

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This is also really in tune with the way that

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Luke tells his gospel and from the perspective

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of like all the witnesses. But he's kind of talking.

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and comparing to humanity as a whole right most

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of humanity doesn't have glorious roles no right

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especially in the ancient world right um you

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know even the jobs of like let's just say carpenter

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and stone stone worker like those are grueling

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jobs um i think when back in the last season

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when we talked about herod we talked about these

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guys who actually constructed herods like fortresses

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yeah and like just the massive amount of work

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that goes in and then he's like also I want you

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to fill my pool with water but the water is like

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four miles away down that treacherous path and

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the things that you have to carry the water in

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are like a little bitty tiny things right and

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so like there are no fancy jobs for the for the

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population writ large right like there's a lot

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of meager jobs yeah and And you also look at

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how society structured back then. There wasn't

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a lot of upward or downward mobility as far as

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profession goes. Correct. I mean, there was some

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to a degree, but it was very much like you either

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went to school and studied under a rabbi and

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worked in that profession or you worked in your

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family business. Yeah. I mean, you got to think

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that likely most people expected Jesus to be

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a stonemason. Tecton, similar to Joseph, which

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means he would have worked with both wood and

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stone, but largely stone because I don't know

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if you've ever been to Israel. Not a lot of trees.

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No. So wood is something you do work with, but

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the majority you do is stone. Yeah. Or just working

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like just those type of things. I do think it

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is important to note in the Old Testament, there's

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a couple of references actually talking about

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Messiah, looking forward to Messiah in prophetic

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books. about the Messiah being a shepherd, a

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shepherd king, right? So Ezekiel, if you think

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back to Ezekiel 34, 23 through 24, you can look

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up these references. We're not going to read

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all of them today because then it's a 50 -minute

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episode, right? Micah 5 .4, the Messiah will

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stand and shepherd his flock is the quote that

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goes up there. There's also a conversation, though

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this is a little bit debated, about whether or

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not the Bethlehem shepherds would have been raising

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temple sacrifices. People like to make this connection

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because of Jesus being the ultimate sacrifice.

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That's debated. There's some conversation about

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that, about whether or not that is an intentional

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connection point at this point in history. But

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it's a fun thing, too. think about. I just, I

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would not necessarily stand on that as one, a

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solid point. That's it. Cause it is kind of back

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and forth. But if Bethlehem is this location

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where sacrificial lambs are raised, like that's

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just another layer. You have this house of bread,

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uh, sacrificial lambs, house of David, like the

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God's putting on the imagery thick. Right. And

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And the other thing that it's implied that these

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shepherds are right outside of Bethlehem, but

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it doesn't specifically state that. Correct.

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It just says nearby. Yeah. So nearby and like

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nearby in the shepherding world in the Middle

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East could be like, hey, I'm at the patch of

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grass right outside the city gates or I'm at

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the patch of grass 15 miles away. Yeah. Well,

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yeah, because everything was within walking distance.

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And so these cities, if you're three miles away,

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you're a new city. Now, we don't do that here.

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um in fact actually uh in our town we have um

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there's both a native reservation and then there's

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the city but then there's like the borough uh

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and so like there is there's actually like this

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directional um piece and and they're technically

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separated but that's actually strange in america

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in general but that's just because the unique

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makeup of alaska because alaska's weird yes but

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when i was living in washington i lived in vancouver

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and so we would talk about like um these different

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districts so i lived in uh salmon creek right

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and so people like knew this area that i was

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but we were all part of vancouver right and so

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it's a little bit different because we get in

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cars and you know you drive and you're like oh

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it's only like 12 minutes away well that might

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be 16 miles it's a big difference for the shepherds

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of that day Right? Yeah. So let's talk about

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this proclamation. So they come out and they

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say, glory to God in the highest peace on earth.

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And it's in this one of these lovely little indentations

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that one shows that it's a little bit of a song.

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Yeah. But also typically will echo previous passages.

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Some that I thought were particularly connectful.

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That's not a word. Well done. Yeah. We're going

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to go with connectful because I want to use that

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word now. Um, going back to Isaiah nine, eight,

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where they, there's this, this proclamation of

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a Prince of peace, Zachariah nine, 10, where

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there is peace to the nations, uh, glory to God

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parallel, this, this idea of the Shekinah glory

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of the tabernacle, right? This, this, that falls.

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Um, actually I was just writing in Exodus 40

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where they, they finally finished building the

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Mishka, the temple, the tabernacle in the desert.

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And it says that, uh, the Shekinah falls and

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it, and it completely envelops and fills, right?

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And so when we're talking about glory of God,

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like there's a lot of imagery in the Old Testament

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to actually connect this idea. One of the things

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I think that Luke, one of the things we'll see

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in the gospel, especially throughout is he makes

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it really clear that he has a lot of witness

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testimony. So the person who may have told him

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the story might have been one of the shepherds.

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Yeah. Right. There is a, there's a. phrase that

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is often quoted, but not necessarily people know

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where it is, is that the like facts aren't established

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by the word of one person that you have to have

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the testimony of two or three people. Yeah. I

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think that's really interesting that all throughout

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Luke's gospel, when he's talking about witness

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testimony, he always mentioned that there's multiple

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people that are there. Right. And I think it's

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really consistent with this old Testament idea.

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Um, and, and just the way that they would have

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established, like, did this actually happen or

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not? Right. I think sometimes when we think about

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like shepherds, marginalized, regular people,

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we forget, we forget, and I'm being very personal,

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we forget as people growing up in a first world

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country like America, that God's call is actually

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to the marginalized, the outcast, the foreigner,

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the widow, the orphan, like the people on the

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outside are actually being, are being called

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like universally. And that, Um, we talked about

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this in the, in, when we talked about the book

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of James is that sometimes people are looking

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for high status, high prestige people to be a

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part of their church. God's looking for people

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who are willing to obey and follow him, right.

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To put his kingdom on display. And, uh, and his

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heart is always for the people who are being

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marginalized. Yeah. That's a big deal. And it's,

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it's even, it's true here in his birth. It's

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true here in the, in the declaration, like who's

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the first people who get to hear about it. The

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marginalized. Because for them, it really is

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good news. Yeah. Right? If you've been on the

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outside the entire time, it is good news that

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you're being welcomed in. Yep. Right? Yep. Then

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we get to where Jesus is presented at the temple.

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Woo! All right. It's like 22 through 38 of chapter

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2. 21, right? Yes, 21. I can read numbers. I'm

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really good at it. So you have the story of Jesus

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being presented at the temple. Lots of things

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are happening here, but we're really going to

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focus in on two characters here. I'm going to

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read the story real quick, and then we'll dive

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into the two characters we're going to focus

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on. Eight days later, when the baby was circumcised,

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he was named Jesus and the name given to him

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by the angel before he was conceived. Then it

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was time for their purification offering as required

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by the law of Moses after the birth of a child.

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So his parents took him to Jerusalem to present

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him to the Lord. The law of the Lord says if

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a woman's first child is a boy, he must be dedicated

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to the Lord. So they offered a sacrifice required

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in the law of the Lord, either a pair of two

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turtle doves or two young pigeons. Okay. Can

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we pause there really quick? Because I want to

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talk about those two different things that came

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up because those are both from Leviticus. Actually,

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I think one of them might be from Exodus, but

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the consecration of the firstborn is actually

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from Exodus. So I want to just place these in

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context really quick and just remind you this

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is a very Jewish book. Yes. Right? Like Luke,

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not a Jew. He's a proselyte, which means that

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he's chosen to follow Judaism. Right. And and

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then his revelation is through Christ Messiah.

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But here in this in this paragraph, we will rewrite

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past that. But hopefully if you've been with

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us in season one, you immediately like, oh, these

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are stories that I should know. Because the purification,

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which, by the way, women, when they have babies,

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they're supposed to seclude themselves for a

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certain amount of time. Why? Desert culture,

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hygiene, tons of different things that are going

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on there. And so they're observing this, but

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also they're coming and they're consecrating

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their firstborn just like they did during the

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Exodus. Yep. Right? So there's this 10th plague

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where Pharaoh is challenged. His power is challenged

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as God. And there's a plague of the firstborn

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that goes all throughout the entire country.

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And then Pharaoh says, all right, I'm done with

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this. Get out of here. And then God gives him

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an instruction about the Sabbath and then says,

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make sure to consecrate your firstborn. Yeah.

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So that's the context of this conversation about

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the firstborn. Why? Because Israel is the firstborn

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of God. And so it is through the firstborn that

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God is going to work his, I was going to say

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magic. That's not really what I want to say.

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His kingdom. We'll say kingdom. That doesn't

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quite apply the way I wanted it to. That could

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be misinterpreted. Yeah. So we're going to say

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work his kingdom and work his authority and his

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presence. And so Jesus is now being consecrated,

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set apart, particularly for the firstborn. And

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also, if you look at the gifts that are being

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presented, we're also reminded. in this situation

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that they are not wealthy. Yeah. This is another

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piece that you can pick up from Old Testament

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reading. So picking up in verse 25, the prophecy

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of Simeon. Simeon! Right? At this time, there

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was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon. He was righteous

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and devout, and he was eagerly waiting for the

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Messiah to come and rescue Israel. The Holy Spirit

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was upon him. This is actually, that's a really

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interesting piece. Yeah. The Ruach of the Lord

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is upon him. Yep. For anybody who is like, well,

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the Holy Spirit didn't really fall upon people

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until Acts chapter 2. Yeah. Let's jump back.

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First of all, we totally debunked that in Torah.

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Yeah. And then it's also right here. Yeah. The

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Holy Spirit was upon him and had revealed to

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him that he would not die until he had seen the

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Lord's Messiah. Can I pause there and say something

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kind of funny? I know don't put the Lord your

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God to the test. Somebody's going to send that

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to me right away. But if God's like, yeah, you're

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not going to die until, you know, you see the

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Messiah. Then you see like, you see like somebody

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like. I don't know, mugging somebody in the street

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and you're like, I'm going to step in because

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you know you're not going to die until you see

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Messiah, right? Does that change anything? I

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mean, there's like, there's the justice piece

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of, yes, you're trying to do the right thing

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to save a life. Yeah. So there's that, like,

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thank you for that. There's also the like, well,

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God said, so I'm just going to, it's like, well.

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Yeah, definitely that whole don't put the Lord

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your God to the test thing. Yeah. And I think

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God's. pretty willing to let us suffer the consequences

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of our actions oh man um okay sorry that's that's

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ben's aside because he thought of something i

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think that's i think that's established in genesis

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chapter three no i don't think so okay yeah uh

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the that day the spirit led him to the temple

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So when Mary and Joseph came to present baby

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Jesus to the Lord, as the law required, Simeon

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was there and he looked at the child and he took

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the child in his arms and praised God saying,

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sovereign Lord, now let your servant die in peace

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as you have promised. I have seen your salvation,

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which you have prepared for all people. He is

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the light. He is a light to reveal God to the

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nations. And he is the glory of your people,

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Israel. That's so good. All right, let's pause

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there. Cause we will pause before we get to Anna.

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Yeah. So he is waiting for this Messiah. God

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said, The Ruach of the Lord is upon him. The

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spirit of the Lord is upon him. Now, of course,

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the thing that changes in Acts 2 is that the

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Holy Spirit goes from dwelling on people to in

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people. right? It's, it's not something that

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you are, um, like it, it, it now resides because

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you are the temple. And so it actually resides

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inside of you. And so there is, there is actually

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a difference, but the Holy spirit was, was always

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sent and was on people. Now we see that with

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Moses in numbers 11, I believe it is when he

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is, uh, a piece of his spirit is taken and put

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onto the 72 elders. Right. And he says, um, of

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course that's when They run up and they're like,

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hey, two of the guys didn't come to the meeting

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and they're prophesying. And Moses is like, yeah,

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I kind of wish everybody would. But it's a really

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interesting thing because I'm going to push against

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a little bit of our, I'm going to call them silent

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years. There's 300 years of silence, right? Where

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there's no canonical books being written. There's

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things happening, but there's no canonical books

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being written. And so when I sometimes when I

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think we say years of silence, we think, well,

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God's not doing anything. But that's clearly

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not the case because Simeon's having a conversation

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with the spirit. The spirit of the Lord is upon

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him. And I think there's a tendency that we're

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like, if it didn't happen directly in the book

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where I can see it. Like God wasn't doing anything.

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And I think that's the wrong assumption. Well,

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I mean, people make the same assumption of the

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400 years of captivity. Correct. Right. Where,

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where you have an excess one, you have these

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midwives who fear the Lord and it's like, whoa,

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like how, like when you make that assumption,

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you're like, how do they fear the Lord? How do

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they even know who the Lord is? The Lord's not

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doing anything. He's being quiet. It's like,

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well, it never says he was being quiet. Right.

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Right. Like just because you don't have like

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conversations about the narrative. I mean that

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it's to even go further back in your point. Abraham

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was hundreds of years old, right? A hundred and

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something. I forget exactly when he died. 120

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I think is when he died. Something like 170.

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Yeah. Somebody can fact check me on that. That's

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totally fine. I don't care. But we heard, you

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know, we, when we hear about his life, we're

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talking about 12 chapters. I guarantee you, we're

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not hearing everything that he and God talked

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about over during those times. Like, so then

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the question isn't, um, the question is then

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with what they gave us, what are they trying

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to tell us? Yeah. I mean, you take the life of

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Jesus, for example, four books, uh, plus a chapter,

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if you include Acts chapter one. Yeah. Um, and

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if you take that normal speed and listen to it

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on an audio Bible, it takes a couple hours. Yeah.

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It's not that long. Right. Like, and it's like,

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oh, but that encapsulates 33 years of someone's

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life. Correct. And John actually points this

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out at the end of his book. He says, listen,

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there is not enough books in the world. Granted,

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ancient world, but there's not enough books in

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the world to contain everything that Jesus did.

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Yeah. Right. And so when we're reading, when

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we're reading scripture, this is. I was actually

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having a conversation about Canon, right? I was

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like, what does Canon actually mean? It's the

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measuring stick by which we measure like who

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God is and how he moves, right? Yeah. That we

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know that these are the words of God. And so

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when we hear the words of God, as he speaks to

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us and leads us and the Ruach of the Lord is

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upon us, right? How do we know that it's God

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speaking? Well, it's going to be consistent with

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his word. Right. Yeah. If, if whatever is talking

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to you is leading you to be unloving, I got,

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I got news for you. It's not the Ruach of the

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Lord. Yeah. Right. There, there is a, there is

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a very clear precedent set throughout scripture,

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which hopefully we've been pulling out at this

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point. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a super interesting

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thing. Well, and I think, so Simeon, I think

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in this case is most likely referencing Isaiah

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because Isaiah was very much on the lips of the

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people during that time because they were not

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all. Avenues of Judaism, because I think this

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sometimes gets over -emphasized. There were portions

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of Judaism that were looking for the suffering

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servant to be Messiah. It wasn't the mainstream

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thought, but there were sects that thought that.

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That's a hard word to say. There were divisions

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of Judaism that looked at these passages as Messianic

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and not as... knowing that Israel was this, but

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that Messiah was going to step in and be this

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person to basically take the affliction on and

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relieve. And so, uh, you, you kind of hear like

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from Isaiah 40 where it says, comfort, comfort

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my people. You know, he's, who is Jesus? Like

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Simeon speaking this, right? Um, that he is,

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uh, to quote from 49, six and Isaiah light for

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the Gentiles, glory for the Lord, right? Simeon

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is now seeing in Jesus this, um, tangible representation

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of what God is bringing his people. Yeah. And

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like, it's, it's important to always backwards

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connect these things. So picking up in Luke two

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33, Jesus's parents were amazed at what was being

00:25:03.380 --> 00:25:07.319
said about him. Then Simeon blessed them and

00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.559
said to Mary, the baby's mother, your child is

00:25:11.559 --> 00:25:15.019
destined to cause many in Israel to fall and

00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:31.569
many others to rise. He has been sent. That is

00:25:31.569 --> 00:25:35.000
quite the blessing. Yeah. If I heard that blessing,

00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:37.220
I'm not sure what to do with that. Yeah. Right.

00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:40.480
Like you have, you have Simeon, like usually

00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.359
blessings invoke a little bit more of a positive

00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:45.200
tone. Yeah. Right. Well, and if I come to you

00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:47.359
and I said, Spencer, your daughter is going to

00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.740
cause the fall of many. You're like, yeah, that

00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.619
tracks. And then I said, and the rising of many

00:25:52.619 --> 00:25:55.859
more, you're like, we're talking about mine,

00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:57.859
right? Yes. The other, the other night, Lindsay

00:25:57.859 --> 00:25:59.700
and I were laying on the bed and we were just

00:25:59.700 --> 00:26:03.730
like, We were just, it was like, uh, our kid

00:26:03.730 --> 00:26:06.430
was being a little, you know, hellion and we're

00:26:06.430 --> 00:26:08.690
just laying there and we're like, why'd God give

00:26:08.690 --> 00:26:12.250
us a world changer? Like, why can't we just have

00:26:12.250 --> 00:26:14.990
the good submissive kid? Yeah. I, sometimes I

00:26:14.990 --> 00:26:16.970
run back to this comment that I read from my,

00:26:16.970 --> 00:26:19.890
uh, children, children with, um, like a strong

00:26:19.890 --> 00:26:23.789
willed child. It says, um, you want strong willed

00:26:23.789 --> 00:26:25.990
children because they won't let the world change

00:26:25.990 --> 00:26:27.509
them. They're going to change the world. Yeah.

00:26:27.650 --> 00:26:31.019
Yeah. But man, like raising them, shaping them.

00:26:31.059 --> 00:26:35.880
Oh man. It is like, it is like, yeah. But this

00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.859
blessing right here. Luckily our parents dealt

00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:40.420
with like the easiest kids ever, right? Oh dude,

00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:41.859
that was a piece of cake. I don't know what you're

00:26:41.859 --> 00:26:44.359
talking about. I didn't get in trouble at all.

00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:49.299
Yeah. But this blessing right here is just a

00:26:49.299 --> 00:26:52.299
really interesting one in the sense that you

00:26:52.299 --> 00:26:55.039
have Simeon saying the world's forever going

00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.609
to be changed by this kid. Right? Yeah. Right.

00:26:59.369 --> 00:27:01.690
And then he's also saying, by the way, your lives

00:27:01.690 --> 00:27:04.809
are going to suck because of it. Yeah. Right.

00:27:04.890 --> 00:27:06.309
You already have this couple. They're living

00:27:06.309 --> 00:27:09.170
under their own shame. Right. Kid outside of

00:27:09.170 --> 00:27:12.589
wedlock. They're living in this place of shame.

00:27:12.730 --> 00:27:14.730
And then their kid, they're saying, oh, by the

00:27:14.730 --> 00:27:16.329
way, even though you're living in this place

00:27:16.329 --> 00:27:19.210
of shame, this kid is going to change the world.

00:27:19.230 --> 00:27:20.910
And there's going to be way more people opposing

00:27:20.910 --> 00:27:25.430
him than who are opposing you. Right. It's like,

00:27:25.509 --> 00:27:31.140
oh, great. Here we go. Um, and, uh, but at the

00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:35.279
end of it, he says, and a sword will pierce your

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.839
very soul, meaning that you are forever going

00:27:38.839 --> 00:27:43.140
to be changed because of who Jesus is. And so

00:27:43.140 --> 00:27:45.079
it's, it's this blessing where it's like, Ooh,

00:27:45.140 --> 00:27:46.980
this sounds really rough. But at the same time,

00:27:46.980 --> 00:27:50.900
it's really encouraging to be like, okay. So

00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.940
the word here, revealed, is a word that we need

00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:56.759
to get really familiar with because it is wildly

00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.799
misused in biblical literature. The word is apocalypto.

00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:04.859
It means revealed, unveiling. It's by the revelation.

00:28:05.860 --> 00:28:08.740
Right. Things are going to be revealed. One of

00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:10.500
my favorite ways that Tim Mackey was talking

00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.140
about this in his Ephesian study. He's like,

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:14.559
it's like you walk into a dark room and you turn

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.720
on the light and you go apocalypse. Right. And

00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:19.400
so we're doing that. Yeah. We've been having

00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:22.079
fun with that in our small group. Right. But

00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.299
like this idea of like it is illuminating the

00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:26.240
things around it. So what is Jesus? What is the

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.920
what is he saying that Jesus is going to do?

00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:31.720
He's going to. turn on the lights of many hearts

00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.059
around him. And it's actually going to even pierce

00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:37.720
your heart. And there's indication of like, you

00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.460
think you know what he's going to do, but the

00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.059
light's about to come on. And then you're going

00:28:44.059 --> 00:28:46.319
to be like, Oh snap. That's not what I thought

00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.740
it was, but it's going to be great. Well, and

00:28:48.740 --> 00:28:51.259
let's be real for a lot of people. If you walked

00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:54.380
up to him and said, Hey, the light in your heart

00:28:54.380 --> 00:28:56.359
is going to get turned on and everything's going

00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.609
to be revealed. It's terrifying. That's terrifying.

00:28:59.950 --> 00:29:03.490
Yeah. Right. That's like, you have like, everyone

00:29:03.490 --> 00:29:06.670
has secrets and there's like, Oh no. Well, that

00:29:06.670 --> 00:29:08.930
kind of plays into John's conversation or Jesus

00:29:08.930 --> 00:29:11.890
conversation in John with Nicodemus. And, uh,

00:29:11.910 --> 00:29:13.650
cause we, we love to quote God's all of the world,

00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:16.170
right? God didn't send his son into the world,

00:29:16.190 --> 00:29:18.250
condemned the world. Yeah. Right. What comes

00:29:18.250 --> 00:29:20.410
after that? The world didn't want to recognize

00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:21.809
him because they, they liked the things they

00:29:21.809 --> 00:29:24.339
do in the dark. but the verdict is here. Light

00:29:24.339 --> 00:29:26.319
has come into the world. Now, of course, some

00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:27.720
of you realize I just went back to chapter one,

00:29:27.779 --> 00:29:31.500
but that's still, yeah. Yeah. Um, this, this

00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:33.779
is, this is the problem when you actually, when

00:29:33.779 --> 00:29:36.559
you actually present the risen God is that people

00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:38.940
won't always like it because things are being

00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:41.819
unveiled, but make sure that it's Jesus unveiling

00:29:41.819 --> 00:29:45.119
them and not you being a jerk. Yeah. Yeah. Cause

00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.299
that's problematic. And like, but at the same

00:29:49.299 --> 00:29:51.769
time, So at the same time, you want the lights

00:29:51.769 --> 00:29:57.049
on, right? So the other night, a couple weeks

00:29:57.049 --> 00:30:01.650
ago, for example, I heard a crash downstairs

00:30:01.650 --> 00:30:05.029
in our house. Now, all it was was my wife couldn't

00:30:05.029 --> 00:30:07.069
sleep, so she was up and she dropped something

00:30:07.069 --> 00:30:09.849
in the kitchen. Okay, but it's 2 a .m. and all

00:30:09.849 --> 00:30:12.450
the lights are off in the house. So what do I

00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:18.339
do? I jump out of bed. I grab a tool of mine

00:30:18.339 --> 00:30:21.240
that I don't know if I can say on a podcast and

00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.220
run and like go turn the lights on to see what's

00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:26.579
going on. Right. And then I find my wife like.

00:30:26.990 --> 00:30:28.890
sitting down to have a cup of tea at like 2 a

00:30:28.890 --> 00:30:30.750
.m because she can't sleep and i was like okay

00:30:30.750 --> 00:30:32.750
this is so you didn't even know that she was

00:30:32.750 --> 00:30:34.750
not still in bed next to you no you just got

00:30:34.750 --> 00:30:37.289
up and ran i was out i was sleeping so that that's

00:30:37.289 --> 00:30:39.150
actually better than what i did um i heard a

00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:41.109
sound downstairs once and i woke up like in a

00:30:41.109 --> 00:30:44.089
stupor and i ran downstairs to go take to go

00:30:44.089 --> 00:30:46.269
take care of it i got downstairs and i realized

00:30:46.269 --> 00:30:49.690
um i had a book with me uh -huh because that's

00:30:49.690 --> 00:30:52.170
what was on my nightstand and i got downstairs

00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:55.150
and uh this is probably more information than

00:30:55.150 --> 00:30:57.440
you need but i sleep in in boxers right and so

00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.180
i run downstairs and i'm running out into our

00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.579
living room looking around flipping on lights

00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.160
and then like no nothing's there so i'm like

00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.720
okay doors are all locked great i'm gonna go

00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.279
back up to bed i have this thought as i'm heading

00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:12.279
back up what was my plan like what was my plan

00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.839
was it to share scare them with the sheer whiteness

00:31:14.839 --> 00:31:17.920
of my skin like what was my plan here i had a

00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:21.359
book like if somebody broke in with a uh firearm

00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.180
of sorts like i'm not it's not going to be good

00:31:23.180 --> 00:31:27.440
for me right um now the crazy thing is i had

00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.980
a baseball bat in my closet on the way through

00:31:29.980 --> 00:31:35.059
there i also had a um a place to have home protection

00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:39.400
devices right and i ran down with a book yep

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:44.099
and not even jeans on or nothing. So I had no

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:47.460
good plans there. Yeah. Well, I mean, no, I definitely

00:31:47.460 --> 00:31:49.839
ran down with my handgun because growing up in

00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.779
the area in Colorado we grew up in, if you left

00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:54.759
your doors unlocked or window unlocked, there

00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.180
would be a homeless person. in your house and

00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:59.460
so like there was times where like we remember

00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:01.640
my family were like forgot to lock the door at

00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:03.859
night yeah and we'd we'd get out in the living

00:32:03.859 --> 00:32:05.359
room there'd be like two homeless people sleeping

00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.619
on the couch oh geez that's rough like and you're

00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:09.099
like i want to have compassion with you but also

00:32:09.099 --> 00:32:10.839
you can't sleep in my living room yeah and i

00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.440
mean like i was a kid at the time but like but

00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:15.000
you know there's definitely times where like

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.140
i was getting up and like you'd hear my dad be

00:32:17.140 --> 00:32:19.440
like nope stay in your room and you're like oh

00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.960
okay as he's like ushering people outside out

00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:26.250
of the house type thing and so like So yeah,

00:32:26.269 --> 00:32:29.230
different context, right? Like that's why light's

00:32:29.230 --> 00:32:31.759
important. Yeah. Light is very important. Light

00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:33.740
reveals a lot, like a lot of stuff can go on

00:32:33.740 --> 00:32:35.380
in darkness and you're like, I have no idea what's

00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:38.700
going on. Yeah. Um, it is, it is. And so what

00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:41.400
does Jesus do? He literally is, is unveiling.

00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.839
He's apocalypsing you. Yeah. Which we have to

00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.240
get over that, the use of that word. We want

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.000
to use apocalypse as the end of the world. That's

00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.319
not what it is. It's unveiling in Greek, unveiling

00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.519
light, turning on the light. Right. And so Simeon

00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.200
says, your son is going to cause the rise of

00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:58.579
many, the fall of many, and he's going to apocalypse

00:32:58.579 --> 00:33:01.589
your heart. Yeah. Right. He's going to apocalypse

00:33:01.589 --> 00:33:03.970
your lives. The things that you think are hidden,

00:33:04.009 --> 00:33:07.250
he's going to apocalypse. And in a very real

00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:09.109
way, that's, that's, that's what Jesus does when

00:33:09.109 --> 00:33:11.289
he comes in our life. Right. When we're confronted

00:33:11.289 --> 00:33:14.150
with the reality of what the creator in, in the

00:33:14.150 --> 00:33:16.849
Torah made flesh, the creator incarnate says

00:33:16.849 --> 00:33:19.230
to us, the words that he gives us, they prompt

00:33:19.230 --> 00:33:21.829
us to this, this moment of decision where the

00:33:21.829 --> 00:33:23.490
light is flipped on. We're like, am I going to

00:33:23.490 --> 00:33:26.190
leave it all? Yeah. Or I'm going to stay where

00:33:26.190 --> 00:33:31.339
I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. Right. So that brings us

00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:35.660
to the next character. And this is the prophecy

00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:38.359
of Anna. Now this, before we jump into this,

00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:42.240
this character, there's been a lot of debate

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.420
around who she actually is. So I just want to

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:50.079
settle like what the scriptures say. Okay. What

00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:54.319
Luke says is her name is Anna. She's a she and

00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:59.160
a prophet. And her husband died when they'd only

00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.019
been married seven years. And the other thing

00:34:02.019 --> 00:34:06.970
it says is she's old. She's 84. So does that

00:34:06.970 --> 00:34:08.889
mean that they got married when she was young

00:34:08.889 --> 00:34:10.769
and he died and then she remained unmarried?

00:34:10.869 --> 00:34:12.369
We don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

00:34:13.190 --> 00:34:15.710
The presumption from a lot of people is that

00:34:15.710 --> 00:34:18.210
she probably got married at the normal age, you

00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:21.809
know, 14 to 16, right in there. And then if husband

00:34:21.809 --> 00:34:24.090
died seven years later, it would have been 20,

00:34:24.090 --> 00:34:29.030
21 to 24 years old. So the presumption is that

00:34:29.030 --> 00:34:34.269
she had been a had been a widow for 60 plus years.

00:34:34.690 --> 00:34:37.969
Right. But we don't fully know those details.

00:34:38.150 --> 00:34:42.570
Right. Right. So. But a really good thing. She's

00:34:42.570 --> 00:34:44.530
a woman and she is a prophet and she is trusted

00:34:44.530 --> 00:34:47.650
by God to bless him in human form. Yeah. Yeah.

00:34:47.789 --> 00:34:50.289
So for those who are like, well, women can't

00:34:50.289 --> 00:34:52.809
proclaim the word of the Lord publicly. It's

00:34:52.809 --> 00:34:55.230
like, hmm, it's a woman prophet and there's nothing

00:34:55.230 --> 00:35:00.329
in here that condemns it. So Anna, a prophet,

00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:04.030
was there in the temple. She was the daughter

00:35:04.030 --> 00:35:08.090
of Phenel from the tribe of Asher, and she was

00:35:08.090 --> 00:35:11.349
very old. Her husband died when they had been

00:35:11.349 --> 00:35:14.849
married only seven years. Then she lived as a

00:35:14.849 --> 00:35:17.690
widow till the age of 84. She never left the

00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:23.010
temple, but stayed there day and night, worshiping

00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:28.630
the Lord with fasting and prayer. So there's

00:35:28.630 --> 00:35:31.309
also something to be said. Just pausing right

00:35:31.309 --> 00:35:32.550
there real quick. There's something to be said

00:35:32.550 --> 00:35:36.250
about dwelling in the presence of the Lord, because

00:35:36.250 --> 00:35:38.750
the average actually lifespan of somebody back

00:35:38.750 --> 00:35:41.449
in this day was, I think it was around 40. It

00:35:41.449 --> 00:35:44.929
was like in the forties. Right. And she's 84

00:35:44.929 --> 00:35:51.070
dwelling in the presence of the Lord, worshiping

00:35:51.070 --> 00:35:53.769
him through prayer and fasting. Yeah, it is.

00:35:53.829 --> 00:35:56.420
It's a little bit. It's also a little bit difficult

00:35:56.420 --> 00:35:59.760
because ages are skewed because of disease and

00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.860
war and stuff like that. Because sometimes I

00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:04.760
think when we talk about the average life expectancy

00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.599
being 40, we're just like, oh, people just died

00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.719
of old age. No, it's because of disease. It was

00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:14.400
because of if you cut your arm and there's no

00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.659
way to treat it, then all those different types

00:36:16.659 --> 00:36:18.260
of things. Yeah, there's lots of variables. Lots

00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:21.920
of variables in there. But she is singularly

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.480
devoted. into what God is doing. And I also find

00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.179
in scripture too, that the people who tend to

00:36:28.179 --> 00:36:32.139
live in peace tend to live a lot longer. Yeah.

00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.539
So these things can get conflated. They can get

00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:39.579
blown out of proportion. And so, yeah, let's,

00:36:39.579 --> 00:36:43.760
she says, picking up in verse 38, she came along

00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.300
just as Simeon was talking with Mary and Joseph

00:36:46.300 --> 00:36:50.389
and she began praising God. She talked about

00:36:50.389 --> 00:36:54.409
the child to everyone who had been waiting expectantly

00:36:54.409 --> 00:36:59.070
for God to rescue Jerusalem. When Jesus' parents

00:36:59.070 --> 00:37:01.070
had fulfilled the requirements of the law of

00:37:01.070 --> 00:37:03.250
the Lord, they returned to Nazareth of Galilee

00:37:03.250 --> 00:37:06.010
and their child grew healthy and strong and was

00:37:06.010 --> 00:37:09.070
filled with wisdom and God's favor was upon him.

00:37:09.610 --> 00:37:11.670
Hey, by the way, have you ever heard that phrase

00:37:11.670 --> 00:37:14.929
in the Bible before? That he grew in favor with

00:37:14.929 --> 00:37:17.909
both God and men? The child, this child grew

00:37:17.909 --> 00:37:19.630
in favor with both God and men. Do you know where

00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:23.590
that happens? It's in Samuel. There's a, there's

00:37:23.590 --> 00:37:26.030
a boy by the name of Samuel who is charged with

00:37:26.030 --> 00:37:28.829
being a priest who is a daughter of Hannah, which

00:37:28.829 --> 00:37:30.809
by the way, there is actually a ton of connections

00:37:30.809 --> 00:37:34.130
in Luke to Samuel because Hannah's prayer and

00:37:34.130 --> 00:37:37.210
her song is very similar to like the Magnificat

00:37:37.210 --> 00:37:40.269
of Mary. And so there's a lot of like things

00:37:40.269 --> 00:37:43.619
that kind of like connect through that. But in,

00:37:43.699 --> 00:37:46.239
in first Samuel, it says that this boy, Samuel

00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.960
grew in both favor with both God and men. And

00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.840
then now here in Luke, Luke uses that phrase

00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:52.960
again. That's not an accident. Yeah. They do

00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.099
that on purpose because you should be in, in

00:37:57.099 --> 00:37:59.119
Luke's mind, you should be able to see here that

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.019
Jesus is like the priest and like Samuel, that

00:38:02.019 --> 00:38:04.360
he's going to be ushering in something different.

00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:08.590
Right. I mean, you can even, you could even look

00:38:08.590 --> 00:38:11.670
at that with Samuel selecting the king or like

00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:13.489
moving forward into kingship, like this whole

00:38:13.489 --> 00:38:17.670
idea, right? Is that Jesus is king? Yeah. Well,

00:38:17.769 --> 00:38:20.530
in Anna's story here, like just focusing in on

00:38:20.530 --> 00:38:24.610
what she does when she sees Jesus. Okay. Now

00:38:24.610 --> 00:38:26.730
there's two things that happen. One, she begins

00:38:26.730 --> 00:38:31.019
praising God. Right. And I, and I think, I think

00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:32.579
the, at least in my translation where it's like,

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.380
she began praising God. I was like, nah, this

00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:36.119
is a woman who's in the temple day in and day

00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.039
out praising God. So like, I think that's, but

00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.679
like became more, more praiseful in that moment.

00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.920
Right. That's definitely how we say it. Praiseful.

00:38:45.059 --> 00:38:46.659
Praiseful. Praiseful. You can make up words.

00:38:46.719 --> 00:38:49.239
So can I. I don't remember the word I made up

00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.039
earlier, but it was good. And then the second

00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:55.219
thing she does is she starts proclaiming to everyone

00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.530
that the rescue of Jerusalem is here. Right.

00:38:58.630 --> 00:39:01.130
Right. When, when you're like, Hey, here's salvation,

00:39:01.349 --> 00:39:04.710
here's redemption. It is here. She starts proclaiming

00:39:04.710 --> 00:39:07.269
that. So people aren't missing out. Yeah. I think

00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:10.530
it's interesting. So, uh, so Anna is the prophet.

00:39:10.769 --> 00:39:14.769
Uh, Simeon is not. It says Simeon is a righteous

00:39:14.769 --> 00:39:17.230
and devout man. Um, and he had the, the Ruach

00:39:17.230 --> 00:39:19.170
of the Lord upon him, but it doesn't say that

00:39:19.170 --> 00:39:22.690
he's a prophet. And so he is given a word from

00:39:22.690 --> 00:39:25.309
the Lord. that he's not going to die until he

00:39:25.309 --> 00:39:27.829
sees Messiah. When he sees Messiah, now he's

00:39:27.829 --> 00:39:30.670
speaking a blessing. And Anna, who is a prophet

00:39:30.670 --> 00:39:34.369
for the Lord, sees that and says, everybody listen

00:39:34.369 --> 00:39:38.170
to what's going on. Right? Pay attention because

00:39:38.170 --> 00:39:40.750
this is important. Yeah. Right? And gives praise

00:39:40.750 --> 00:39:43.750
to God, of course. But like, she's actually like

00:39:43.750 --> 00:39:47.119
lending her gravitas as a prophet. or her position

00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.599
as prophet into what she sees going on with Simeon

00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.079
and Jesus here too. And nowhere in this story

00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:53.980
does God come in and say, hey, you're a woman,

00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:56.840
shut up. Yeah. Just pointing that out there.

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.500
We'll leave that as is, because that's not really

00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:02.699
what this is about. But you made it about it.

00:40:02.780 --> 00:40:04.400
No, I just brought it up. No, I think it's really

00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.219
important. Yeah. I had a conversation with somebody

00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:10.039
that said, why do you emphasize so much that

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.699
God is using women throughout the Bible? I was

00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:13.719
like, because people keep ripping them down.

00:40:14.219 --> 00:40:17.579
And I will overemphasize until we start recognizing

00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:21.800
the other half of the image of God. Period. And

00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:24.340
I will tell you that if you don't like us saying

00:40:24.340 --> 00:40:26.039
that, you should probably stop listening. Because

00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:30.079
we're not going to stop trying to build up women

00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:33.440
who are called by God to lead. Period. Yeah.

00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:36.239
So, but you have Anna who sees redemption and

00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.300
salvation for Israel, for Jerusalem. And she's

00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:41.800
like, listen up. You don't want to miss this.

00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:44.900
Yeah. Right. And like, fast forward to today,

00:40:45.059 --> 00:40:48.699
we have that same thing. We see salvation and

00:40:48.699 --> 00:40:50.719
redemption for our neighbor, for our community,

00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:54.579
for our towns. And we have the privilege and

00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:56.719
the call to be like, Hey, listen up. You don't

00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.059
want to miss this. You don't want to miss out

00:40:59.059 --> 00:41:04.090
on this. Have we done that well? Not all the

00:41:04.090 --> 00:41:07.469
time. I'll just, I mean, that's just my two cents.

00:41:07.550 --> 00:41:09.369
I think there's times where we've done it, where

00:41:09.369 --> 00:41:11.510
some people have done it better than other people,

00:41:11.570 --> 00:41:15.849
right? But we have the call, the privilege, and

00:41:15.849 --> 00:41:17.949
the blessing to say, hey, look, salvation and

00:41:17.949 --> 00:41:20.909
redemption is here. You don't have to be who

00:41:20.909 --> 00:41:23.750
you think you are. God sees you as someone completely

00:41:23.750 --> 00:41:28.800
different. And we have that privilege. to share

00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.860
that message. Yeah. And I think it's, it's one

00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:34.400
of the things that's really difficult here is

00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.320
we use words like salvation, redemption. I think

00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:37.940
a lot of people understand redemption, but salvation

00:41:37.940 --> 00:41:39.400
is one of these ones that people have difficulty

00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:46.360
understanding is all the garbage doesn't have

00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:51.159
to be there anymore. No. Period. Like you can

00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:54.059
come be a part of a different family. And you

00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:55.320
can leave it at the door. It doesn't mean your

00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:57.239
consequences of like actions that you made are

00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.440
going to go away. But the eternal consequences

00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:01.800
absolutely do. Yeah. Right. Now you're actually

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.519
put into right relationship with God and you're

00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.019
actually being invited into this thing. I actually

00:42:06.019 --> 00:42:07.559
think it's really interesting. I was referencing

00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.460
looking back at some verses in Malachi 3 .1.

00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:13.000
It actually says the Lord you were seeking will

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.719
come to his temple. Yeah. Right. I think about

00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.920
when Leviticus where God says if you follow,

00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.010
you know, my Torah. You put my Torah on display.

00:42:22.090 --> 00:42:25.849
I will tabernacle among you. And then John in

00:42:25.849 --> 00:42:30.329
his book, he says, God came and he made his dwelling

00:42:30.329 --> 00:42:33.360
among us. Yeah. which is the same word for tabernacled.

00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.840
Yep. Like pulling back to this, like this is,

00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:38.739
this is not a, uh, people, people misunderstand

00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:40.880
like what Jesus is doing. They say, well, Jesus

00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.920
came to, uh, fulfill the law and prophets. I

00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.519
say, yes, but you think fulfill isn't being one

00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:48.980
and done. He came to show us what it was always

00:42:48.980 --> 00:42:51.260
supposed to look like and to open up the blessing

00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:54.000
for the, for the Jews to all nations. A light

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.000
has been flipped on and all your preconceptions

00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:59.340
are gone. You are going to be invited into this

00:42:59.340 --> 00:43:01.460
because of his faithfulness. Both Jew and Gentile

00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:03.480
are being invited into this kingdom of God because

00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.480
of his faithfulness. And we cast our faithfulness

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.760
onto him and all that garbage, all that baggage

00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.460
that you've been carrying. It's done. It's done.

00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:14.079
It's time to come be a part of a different family.

00:43:14.179 --> 00:43:17.739
And that's what redemption is. Yeah. Right. I

00:43:17.739 --> 00:43:20.840
just love, I love that God in this story, he

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.320
takes these humble people, these outcast people.

00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:26.280
He loves to take ragtag people. You know, in

00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.719
a movie where they're like, they go to recruit

00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:30.139
a person from here and recruit a person from

00:43:30.139 --> 00:43:32.400
here. And it's always like, this guy's really

00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:34.619
good with a sword. And this guy is like the mountain

00:43:34.619 --> 00:43:37.280
climber. You know, they're all. What movie has

00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:38.300
a sword in a mountain climber? I don't know.

00:43:39.340 --> 00:43:41.019
You're like, I want to watch this movie now.

00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.179
Is this your remake of the Lord of the Rings?

00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:44.840
Yeah, it's perfect. It's perfect. But it's almost

00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:46.880
like God goes and then like there's this person

00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.519
who's really prominent. And then he looks over

00:43:48.519 --> 00:43:50.579
in the corner at the person sitting on the bench

00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:54.530
and he says, hey, guess what? Guess what I'm

00:43:54.530 --> 00:43:58.550
going to do through you? And he reveals himself

00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:02.070
to the humble. Yeah. You know, the proud completely

00:44:02.070 --> 00:44:04.309
missed the fact that he's even there. Yeah. I

00:44:04.309 --> 00:44:05.969
was thinking about as we were talking about this,

00:44:06.030 --> 00:44:07.570
because we were really focusing on this idea

00:44:07.570 --> 00:44:10.269
of unveiling, is that Jesus is at the temple

00:44:10.269 --> 00:44:12.210
when there's this conversation about he's going

00:44:12.210 --> 00:44:15.130
to turn on the light. He's going to unveil. There's

00:44:15.130 --> 00:44:16.750
something about the temple of God, the glory

00:44:16.750 --> 00:44:19.349
of God, the presence of God that turns on the

00:44:19.349 --> 00:44:23.170
light and reveals things that are hidden. Why

00:44:23.170 --> 00:44:26.130
is that really important? Because Jesus is going

00:44:26.130 --> 00:44:28.250
to, yes, be the temple, be the priest, be the

00:44:28.250 --> 00:44:29.889
sacrifice. We're going to get to all those different

00:44:29.889 --> 00:44:32.130
images, right? He's going to be the high priest

00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:33.530
in the order of Melchizedek, all those different

00:44:33.530 --> 00:44:35.750
things. But Peter's also going to make the statement

00:44:35.750 --> 00:44:39.949
about us being built into a temple with living

00:44:39.949 --> 00:44:42.679
stones built into a temple. this place where

00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.320
God's glory dwells. And, um, we've talked about

00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.159
it before, but as it bears repeating is that

00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.460
when we, as the church actually live out our

00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:52.599
mission and live out our calling to be a blessing,

00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:57.030
to bless all nations, that we actually. Also,

00:44:57.329 --> 00:45:00.449
we turn on the lights, not because of anything

00:45:00.449 --> 00:45:02.250
special about us, but because of what the work

00:45:02.250 --> 00:45:04.309
that's been done to transform us and the spirit

00:45:04.309 --> 00:45:07.869
that no longer resides on us, but in us and through

00:45:07.869 --> 00:45:11.550
us. Like now we actually are called to go and

00:45:11.550 --> 00:45:14.130
bring the Ruach of the Lord to the nations. Yeah.

00:45:14.250 --> 00:45:18.130
Right. To actually go and sometimes unveil things

00:45:18.130 --> 00:45:23.650
that people don't want to see, but also cause

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:28.699
the rising of many. Yep. Right. Cause God's good.

00:45:29.219 --> 00:45:32.039
Amen. It's good stuff. Well, we're going to keep

00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.440
walking through this story of Jesus and you'll,

00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.000
you'll see us bounce from one gospel to another.

00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:40.860
Stay with us. We're going to talk about women

00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:42.840
a lot because Jesus has a lot to say about women

00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:45.679
and he has a lot of interactions with them. So,

00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:49.639
uh, stay with us and until next time. Okay. Bye.

00:45:51.530 --> 00:45:53.769
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