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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations

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with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through

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the powerful lens of love. In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing

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fresh insights and gaining deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith

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in practical ways. So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the

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context of the Bible intersect to transform our lives. Welcome back everyone to the Love

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in Context podcast. There it is. Yeah. We're excited that you are here to join us for the

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final episode of Pentultimates next to last. Oh, next to last. Yeah. Cause we got one more.

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We're going to talk about covenants with between like people. Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's

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right. But we are going to be talking about the messianic covenant. Woo. Everybody's been

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waiting for this one. And wives know this is not the covenant about how to get your

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husband to do dishes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That, that would be the, the he is messy antics.

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Yes. Yes. Covenant. Yes. Uh, this one I had to like be really careful how to pronounce

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that. Ben's like, I had to think about that one. Yeah. Um, so this covenant that implies

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that I don't think about anything else I say. So this covenant, uh, uh, this is great. Uh,

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spoiler alert for everyone. This covenant talks about Jesus. Yeah. So that's where we're

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going today. The Messiah, the Messiah. Yeah. So, uh, the messianic covenant obviously refers

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to Jesus and it, so the messianic covenant is the, what we often will call the new covenant.

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It's central to our faith, right? It signifies this, this new relationship between God and

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humanity through Jesus Christ. Um, this is going to be incredibly important for Jew and

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Gentile and alike. Uh, it, it emphasizes the forgiveness of sin, the indwelling of the

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Holy Spirit and the promise of this eternal life is qualitative light for God now dwells

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in you, right? From, from then on. Um, and even, uh, I might even say beyond forgiveness

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of sins to actually you becoming a new person. Uh, one of the, one of the examples I love

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to give is out of Jeremiah right here. It says Jeremiah 31, the days are coming declares

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the Lord when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of

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Judah, it will not be like the covenant I made with your ancestors when I took them

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by the hand to lead them out of Egypt because they broke my covenant though I was a husband

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to them declares the Lord. This is, this is the covenant I will make with the people of

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Israel after that time. I will put my law in their minds and I will write it on their

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hearts. I will be their God and they will be my people no longer. Will they teach their

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neighbor or say to another, know the Lord because they will all know me from the least

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of them to the greatest declares the Lord for I will forgive their wickedness and will

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remember their sins no more. Okay. So what is the biggest difference between this, uh,

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previous covenants and this covenant you're going to know God and God's going to fully

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know you. Yes. Now of course somebody there is probably clacking away. They're like, Oh,

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the God already knows everything. Yeah, I understand that. But in an experientially

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way like God is going to know you in relationship. In other words, he's going to be indwelling

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in your life. Right. And uh, I was like, I know that God knows everything, but at the

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same time he is, he is desiring relationship and closeness with his kids. Well, in the

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passage you just read talks about a marriage relationship, right? Yeah. Like in a marriage

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relationship, the reality is like, I can say things about my wife, but that's different

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than me knowing and being with my wife. Right. Yeah. Like, like I can tell you all the wonderful

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things about her and probably a few not so wonderful things about her. Right. Yeah. Probably

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just focus on the wonderful ones. If you're talking to us, focus on those ones. Yeah.

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Yeah. Um, I can tell you all those things, uh, but it'd be like this way I know about

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her versus like being with her and actually doing life with her and knowing her. There's

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a difference there. Yeah. And uh, so, so in Jeremiah, once again, what's happening in

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the book of Jeremiah, they're going into captivity, right? Um, because they have not been following

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God's, uh, Torah because he says, Hey, if you do the Torah, like your fields are going

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to produce, you're going to have lots of kids. Uh, there's going to be peace. Like your enemies

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will run away from you. You're going to be the story I put on display. All the world

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is going to be changed because of you. And they're like, nah, they didn't say that. But,

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but like as a nation, they basically wanted to be like everybody else. They didn't want

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to be God's chosen people. Yeah. They wanted to be like everybody else. And uh, what ends

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up happening is God has to, uh, send them into captivity. So they learned and they don't

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want to be like everybody else. They actually want to be something different. Yeah. Um,

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Jesus, of course, the Torah made flesh comes and puts that all on display. Jesus is what

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the Torah was always supposed to look like in a person. Right. And he goes and puts it

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on display. And as a Jewish Messiah goes to the cross and coordinates his kingdom with

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his death and ultimately has power over death, becoming back from the grave. Yes. Right.

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And because, uh, and Galatians, Paul's going to make a statement. He says, because of Jesus's,

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uh, faithfulness, we now have faith in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And because

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of this, our identity is carried with him to the very throne room of God. And we're restored

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back to the father. Jesus is going to say this slightly differently. Um, but it's the

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same, same idea is that, uh, he's talking in John 15. He says, I am the true vine and

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you are the branches. If a man remains in me, he will bear much fruit apart from me.

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You can do nothing that the process of actually being part of this kingdom life of being connected

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to this life, giving fruit and, and being productive and everything in your life is

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actually going to be being connected to Jesus. Yeah. That's it. It's not, it's not through

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your effort. It's not through anything that you can do. Not through any of those things

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is being connected to Jesus. And if you do that fruit's going to come out of your life.

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And this, this invitation is like, it's not about what you can do. It's about what's been

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done for you and whether or not you trust that. And Jesus says, if you trust me and

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you follow me, suddenly everything's going to be way different. And you're not going

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to have to do a ton. Now, um, I think sometimes the misnomer there is like people like, okay,

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well, so I accept Jesus and then I don't do anything. If you accept Jesus, you're stepping

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into a kingdom and so now you're following the King. Yeah. Are actually, our designs

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actually to work. Correct. Right. Like we had jobs before Adam and Eve had jobs before

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the fall. Right. Like they were tending the garden. They were tech support, you know,

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at Apple. Yeah. No, that's not it. Yeah. Exactly. They actually, I think got fired from that.

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They didn't do so well, but, uh, but they were tending the garden. They were in charge

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of all the animals. They had jobs and there's actually, and there's actually scriptural

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evidence in the new Testament to talk about that when, uh, when heaven is restored to

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earth, cause there's actually side note, there's more scripture talking about having coming

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to earth versus us going to heaven. Side note. Um, and some of you are typing away right

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now. That's okay. I'd love to have that conversation. Yeah. We'll have that conversation a hundred

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times. Yeah. Um, 101 times though, we're done at 101. We're done. It's actually at four

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91. We're done. Okay. Forgiveness is done at that point. No, we're after four 91. Um,

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but, uh, when heaven is restored to earth and we are part of that kingdom, eternally,

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we will still have jobs, right? It'll look different, but we will still have work to

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do in that kingdom. Yeah. Like that is the reality of who we are. We're not designed

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to sit idle. We're not designed to do nothing. Yeah. And so oftentimes we get this message

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of Jesus came to redeem restore and all you have to do is say yes. A hundred percent correct.

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But in that redemption and restoration process, you're made into a new person. Yeah. Your

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identity, your focus, your drive is going to change. And the reality is, is if you say

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yes to Jesus, what you're actually saying is yes, I'm going to trust in you. Um, when

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I sit in a chair and I say that I trust this chair, I demonstrate that by sitting in the

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chair. Yes. I, if I say that I trust this chair and I never sit in it, which by the

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way, I've broken a lot of chairs. So I don't trust all chairs. I've gone to your house

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sometimes around the fire and you're like, Oh, you can sit there. And I very gingerly

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sit down. Right. I've broken a lot of chairs. I was like, but if I have faith in a chair

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and I believe that the chair is going to hold me, I sit in it. Right. If you believe and

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have faith in the promises of Jesus, then you're going to live like you're a part of

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his kingdom. Right. Uh, it's not something that you produce, but it is something that

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is produced in you. Yeah. The, the power of Jesus inside you, the hope of glory, right

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is what actually transforms the world. Like when the Holy spirit is in your life and he

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is working through you, then you're able to go and actually be the hands of feet and feet

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of Jesus in the community and magic, not magical, amazing things happen. Yeah. Right. Because

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of Jesus working through you. And so yes, there is a, you absolutely do something, but

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it's also not you doing it as Jesus doing it through you. Yeah, absolutely. So there

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is a responsibility, but also the responsibility is almost is, is like the same responsibility

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that you have with a gift that you'd be given is to actually go and bless with your blessing.

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Right. Um, you didn't earn the blessing, therefore we share the blessing. Yeah. Right. Yep. And,

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and so in the fulfillment of the messianic covenant, what you have is you have God saying,

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Hey, we are returning to how Israel is supposed to be. Correct. Right. You have before Saul,

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you had Israel without a quote unquote King. Yep. Without an earthly King. Let's put it

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that way. Um, and now you have the kingdom of God moving forward through the line of

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Israel through Jesus. And guess what? There is no earthly King is King Jesus. Well, and

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let's, let's go back to, because let's, let's talk about all these covenants because all

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these covenants find their, find their fulfillment in Christ. Yep. Right. So Adamic, no way

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a covenant, but we're just going to focus on the Adamic is, is, uh, through one man,

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all sin enters the world. Right. Yes. But this whole thing is be fruitful, multiply,

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subdue the whole worth and fill it. Right. So the, the, the covenant is about filling

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the entire earth and bringing the kingdom of God everywhere that you go. Yep. This is

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fulfilled in the second Adam, which is Jesus Christ. Yes. As, as we live into his kingdom,

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we bring the kingdom with us wherever we go. Now, instead of a physical temple, we, the

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people are the temple of the Holy spirit. And we actually walk in this world, bringing

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the kingdom of God everywhere we go. If you're ever at work and you're like, man, this is

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a dark, dark place. Guess what? You're the light of the world. Go turn on a light. Right.

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Yep. Like we usher light in. Correct. Right. Uh, and I like to use the analogy of light

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a little different than a light switch, right? Yeah. So that's what we're used to. Yeah.

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Turn a light switch on, instant light. We're good to go. Right. That's probably not what

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they knew though. Yeah. Probably what they knew was actually more of like this light

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gradually filling a space. Right. Right. Cause we have to think of it more in the context

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of a sunrise or sunset. Right. Well, I even think if you're talking about a person carrying

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light in their context, it would have been like you're carrying a torch from room to

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room. It's pitch blackness and you walk in with a torch. Yeah. Like it's not, you're

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not the one on fire, but you carry the fire inside you. Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

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So think of light a little bit like that where it's like where you're bringing it with you.

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So then, then there's these, this Abrahamic covenant, which is that, um, they're going,

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it's, uh, you're going to be blessed so that all people can be blessed and all the world

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is going to, uh, be drawn to God because of this. And it's a, it's a covenant that you

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accept through faith, right? Because it, uh, Abraham believed God and it was credited to

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him as righteousness. Yes. Right. So there is righteousness to God through faith. This

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is fulfilled once again in the person of Jesus that in faith we cast our identity onto Christ

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and, uh, because of that, we're carried to the throne room of God and we have his presence

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place inside of us. Yep. Right. It's not through anything that we can accomplish. Um, the,

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the next one is not one that is necessarily applicable for the Gentiles, but might be

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applicable for Jewish people because there's called to live in a specific way. It's a mosaic

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covenant. Like they're supposed to live a certain way to put God on display. Hint, hint

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Gentiles. If the, um, Jews are supposed to live in a certain way to put God on display,

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what are we supposed to do? Also live in a specific way that puts a God on display. So

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like the way that you, uh, work, the way that you parent, the way that you, uh, communicate

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with like colleagues, the way that you, uh, uh, grocery shop, it should put God on display,

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right? Where you spend your money should put God on display. Right. Um, I, I always hear

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that really convicting thing that says, if you want to know what you really care about,

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look at your pocketbook. I hate that. I mean, it's true, but I hate it. You know, um, Jesus

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comes as a, as a, as a stand in for all of Israel, right? It's really important, really

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reason why it's really important to understand is the Jewish Messiah. He steps in and he

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fulfills the covenant, the mosaic covenant, the Torah made flesh and, uh, and, uh, and

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steps into this Isaiah 55 role. Yep. Right. And that it's through him, all the world and

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all the nation is going to be saved. Right. But he's not only that he's also, like we

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talked last week, he's this Davidic Messiah. Yeah. Right. And he's establishing a kingdom

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that can't be stopped. He's establishing his rule, reign and expectations moving forward.

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Yep. Right. Yep. And his kingdom isn't to fight the physical powers of this world. It's

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none. Right. We, we often make that mistake where we're like, okay, we see the physical

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thing that's wrong, Lord fix it. And he's like, you know, I'm much more concerned about

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your heart. Right. Right. I'm like, you're, uh, look at your neighbor, like maybe their

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life looks really good, but where's their heart at much more concerned about that. Uh,

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you read stories, you read about stories all the time where, where it's someone who is

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a well-off has had a good life. And the next thing you know, they commit suicide or do

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some sort of heinous act and, and the Lord saying, no, I'm going after the heart. I'm

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not going after the physical state of the person. Right. And, and sometimes he does

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heal physically. I'm not going to, I want to just clarify that before the keyboards

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start clacking too much. We've seen too much of it for us not to know that God does it.

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physically. Well, coming from a Pentecostal and free Methodist background for you, of

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course I grew up Southern Baptist, but, um, but Ben being a Pentecostal church now, like

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we expect miracles, we expect God to do miracles. But here's the thing that I think is really

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important that you always temper miracles with every person who was ever healed died

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at some point. Yep. But every person who has encountered Jesus is changed forever. Yep.

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And so the greater miracle is always for somebody to come into a experiential knowledge of Jesus

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Christ and God as father. Right. And, uh, that's not to say that God's not going to

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meet you in your physical elements or in your emotional issues. Right. Like he's not going

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to step in and actually heal these things. But the much, much deeper thing is that if

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your heart doesn't change, if your being doesn't change and, and like, you don't cast your

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identity onto Christ, like you're missing the greater miracle. You are, uh, you are

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eating a snack when a banquet is coming. Well, so look at John chapter four, uh, the woman

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at the well, like it's a pretty prominent story in the Bible. Um, and, uh, side note,

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go do your own research on this guys. Uh, but one could argue the woman at the well

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was not as despised as people originally make her out to be. Correct. But there's some really

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interesting conversation about that. You guys can absolutely have your own opinion. Yeah.

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You can have your own opinion on it. Do some research on it. But regardless, uh, what miracle

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took place at this well? Like the miracle that took place was the fact that she came

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to know who Jesus is. Right. And then she went into the community and shared that with

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everyone. Well, and, and Jesus gives the story. He says, I will give you a water that will

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bubble up a Springs inside of you. And she's like, Oh, well, I want that water. So I don't

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have to drink water or pull water again. And yet she does drink of that water metaphorically.

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And it does bubble up into the entire community. Right. Like this is the, this is the reality

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of what, what Jesus does is that she thinks the physical issue is the issue. Yeah. And

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Jesus says, no, I got something better. It's actually going to do more of what you want.

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Yeah. And the thing that is crazy about this story is that the disciples were more shocked

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about this than other miracles. It might be that this one, it could be that this one just

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happened a little earlier, right? But, uh, they were so shocked that when they came back

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because they went to go get food for Jesus, they came back and they're like, they're like,

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what is he like thinking? Like, what's he doing? Why is he talking to her? And then

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they're like, why is he talking to a Samaritan? Why is he talking to a Samaritan woman? I

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don't understand why this would be happening. And so finally one of them like becomes brave

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and is like, are you still hungry? And he's like, no, I'm good. I got, I got food. You

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don't know about who got him food. Yeah. Who got, who got you food? Right. Completely missing

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the miracle of what's happening because, because, uh, you know, this, this happens a lot in

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our lives as we get tend to get focused on what we think God should do rather than understanding

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God's for everybody. We get so focused on what we want that we forget that God is here

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for everybody. I'm going to say that one more time because I don't think you heard me. We

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get so focused on what we want that we forget that God is here for everybody. And, uh, and

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his invitation is open to everybody, especially those people that in the case of like the

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Jews and the, and the Samaritans, especially those people that you think are terrible,

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awful, have nothing to do with them. People, if you really want to know how they, like

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how they felt about them, like even in the text itself, James and John, when they're

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leaving Samaria, like, are like, Jesus, do you want us to burn it down? Call down fire

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from heaven. Right now, why would they say fire from heaven? Because where's the last

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place that got burned with fire from heaven? Sodom and Gomorrah. And so he's like, do you

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want us to burn it down? Like Sodom and Gomorrah? Cause in their head, like it's so corrupt.

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They are so corrupt that they're like Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus says like, no, no, no,

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no, that's not what we're doing. Um, and, uh, and so it's like one of those things where

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something like it was the messianic covenant. Like I think sometimes people like, yes, it's,

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it's a fulfillment of all these covenants, but it's built, it's predicated on what came

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before it. Yeah. Right. And, um, I, I, I don't love, I don't love the way that we've taken

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the book of Hebrews and we said, this is a better covenant then. Cause I think what the

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book of Hebrews is more illustrating is that it is the fulfillment of all the covenants

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that came before it. Like it is the covenant that was originally the design that we were

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working towards. Right? So yes. Is Jesus a better high priest than having a high priest?

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A hundred percent. That's always what it was working towards is that God was supposed to

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be our high priest. Right? Is, uh, Jesus a better temple than the physical temple? Yeah,

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of course. Is the Holy spirit's presence better than, you know, when they rest in us rather

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than on us? Absolutely. Like this is a better thing. Right. Um, and I, and I think sometimes

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if when you read the book of Hebrews, if you don't understand that this is written to the

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Hebrew people, hence the book title that you might misconstrue what he's actually having

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a conversation about, he's talking about that Jesus is taking everything that we had and

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he's leveling it up. Yeah. Like dramatically. Yeah. And it's a really cool. It's really

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cool. Well, I've had people talk to me and they'd be like, well, the book of Hebrews

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and James are just so different in the new Testament. I was like, yes, cause they're

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really written to the Hebrew people. Both those books are like they're written to a

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culture that is different culture that's supposed to be different culture that's supposed to

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be set apart. Right? Yeah. Cause, uh, we talked about this in James and Hebrews has the same

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thing, but in the book of James, he's writing to Jewish people and he's like, you know what

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you're supposed to do. You know, Torah, like, and you know what Jesus said to do with Torah.

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Right? Like you have a great example of what it looks like to put Torah on display. Yeah.

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It's called Jesus Christ. Yep. Right. And, uh, Hebrews is, and is like, is saying, Hey,

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you gotta understand that Jesus is fulfillment of everything that's come before it, you know,

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and uh, you actually find, and once again, I want to go back to this idea of a fulfillment

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abolish, right? Yeah. Like in a rabbinic sense, fulfilled doesn't mean do away with any more

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than abolish means do away with. Like fulfill means you actually put it on display and it's,

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it's able to be seen by the people around you. Abolish means you're actually downplaying

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covenant that came before it. Jesus didn't come to abolish the Torah. He came to fulfill

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the Torah and to put it on display and show us what it's always supposed to look like.

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The thing that where I think people get missed issues with is when they get into Galatians

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is understanding what is the role of the Gentile as opposed to the Jew, which is probably most

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of the people who listen to this. Right. Most of us are probably Gentiles. Yeah. And I mean,

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that, that also goes back to the book of Acts about midway through where they're, where

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the disciples and Paul, they're hashing this out. I'm like, do we hold these people to

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the same standards? Do we not? And then they come, and then they come out with the four

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things that they expect of the Gentiles. Right. And so there's this whole conversation around

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this, right. And they're like, no, Israel is actually supposed to be its own separate

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thing. Right. And it's, and it's not, there's not a special blessing for Israel and there's

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not a special blessing for Gentiles. We're both calm to put God on display in different

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ways. And we should be super thankful for the Jews and for the, for the Orthodox Jews

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who follow Jesus. Right. Because their preservation of Torah and history helps us understand what

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Jesus actually means for us to do. Yeah. Right. Like an example, like a way to think of this

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with the Jew and Gentile thing is like, it's like welcoming an outsider into your family.

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All right. So you have a sibling, that sibling gets married. Yeah. Right. You're welcoming

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an outsider into the family. Yeah. Right. It's going to probably change some family

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dynamics, right? That's, let me rephrase that. It will change. I was going to say, you may

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need to say that differently. It will change some family dynamics. Yeah. Okay. So, uh,

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between the outsider in well, and, and, and it's the same family though. Like it's, they

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have different history, but they're the same family and they're, they don't act the exact

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same way. Yeah. Um, you have a number of, uh, adopted siblings. Yes. Is any single one

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of them not your family? Nope. They're all your family. The second that you brought them

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in, they're your family. Yep. Period. The same way we are, we have been adopted in,

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we've been grafted into this tree. We're a part of the family that God's been building

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from the very beginning. And good news about Jesus and about God is that they love adopting.

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Yep. Right. They love adopting. They do. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't think we can understate how

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overstate how, um, important the messianic covenant is. Right. And it's really important

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to understand what it is and what it isn't. Yes. Right. Because, um, the gospel, the good

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news that Jesus preached is that the kingdom of heaven is here. The covenant is expressed

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through his blood. Yep. Right. And, uh, you, you remember that you and I, we had this,

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we were preaching, uh, um, a couple of years ago and we were, we use that illustration

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with, uh, the Lagos, right? Where there's a big pile of Lagos, a bunch of different

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colors and we said, this is the information in your Bible. Yeah. Right. And then, uh,

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and then you separate them by stacks and you're like, this is the different books of the Bible.

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And then you actually stack up all the colors next to each other and neat little rows. It's

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like, this is systematic theology. Right. And then we showed a picture of, uh, uh, of

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the Lagos actually being built into a house with a, like a yard and, and a door and all

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this stuff. And I said, by the way, this is the gospel. Yeah. And so sometimes we can

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see the individual pieces and never actually build the entire picture. Yeah. Um, because

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the, the life death or the, the death and burial and resurrection of Jesus is the doorway

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by which we enter into this different life. Right. And so the covenant is incredibly important

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because that's what happens in the messianic covenants fulfilled the, through the death

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burial, resurrection of Jesus. Yeah. And then we're invited into this kingdom life where

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we follow a King in the line of David golden years in a, in a kingdom that doesn't end

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and always is moving forward. The earth is being subdued. It's being filled. We are being

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fruitful. We multiply all these covenants are being fulfilled in our midst. Yep. It's

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good stuff. Good stuff. So the last one we're going to be talking about next week is we're

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going to talk about what does it mean to live in covenant with each other? Yeah. What does

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it mean to live in covenant with your friends and, and, and your church and your spouse,

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you know, like these, there are covenants that we jump into all the time. And, and,

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are you actually in a covenant relationship, but you're not behaving like you're part of

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a covenant. Yeah. Right. That, that, that's, I think that's, that's the, the place that

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we go next because we exist in this covenant to relationship with God. Now, now, as we

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do this, how does that change how we covenant with people around us? So until next time.

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