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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you.

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Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations with your hosts, Ben and Spencer.

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Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through the powerful lens of love.

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In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing fresh insights and gaining

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deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith in practical ways.

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So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the context of the

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Bible intersect to transform our lives.

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Hey there and welcome back to Love in Context podcast with Ben and Spencer.

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Spencer has a chocolate chip cookie given to us by an awesome lady in our church and

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he's going to crunch and munch and eat it all up in the microphone today.

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He can't say anything.

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Well, if you're watching this on YouTube, you can actually tell he can't say anything

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because he got ready to, but then he realized his mouth is full and he will sound absurd.

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The cookie was delicious though.

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Cookies are delicious.

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We are in week three of our covenant series.

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We talked about the Abrahamic covenant.

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We talked about the Noahic covenant and today we're going to be talking about the hopes.

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I said I said Abrahamic Abrahamic today.

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We're talking about Abrahamic today.

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We talked about Adamic.

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Yes.

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And Noahic.

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And now today we're going to be talking about the Abrahamic.

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He's even read your Bible.

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I do sometimes.

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So yeah, it's it's the Cliff Notes version Bible.

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You ever think have they actually made that that'd be interesting to look at?

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I don't know.

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But like I'm a bullet point personality and like something like that would be intriguing

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to me.

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I'd also be like I would take it with a very large grain of salt.

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It's probably like the the Cliff Note version would be like the the Bible Project.

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Read scripture videos, which are really good.

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I like those a lot.

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So just a reminder what covenants are.

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These are covenants are a a binding of of like a promissory like, hey, you do this and

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I'll do this between two individuals.

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And the ones we're exploring right now have been between God and humanity.

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In the first case, it was between God and Adam being the prototype of all humans.

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Then it was with God and Noah, Noah being the one who is going to represent Earth moving

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forward.

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And that's why the Adamic and then away covenant are linked because ones separated by the flood.

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But then we're going to get into this Abrahamic covenant and it starts to get even we've talked

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about how like they're really personal, but this one actually starts to get even more

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personal.

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Because instead of dealing with humanity, you're actually going and narrowing down and God's

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actually dealing with one family.

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Now if you remember from last year when you're in Torah, you're going to remember a lot of

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these stories.

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And I would highly recommend that before you check this out, maybe go back and listen to

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a few of our Genesis episodes on Abraham, because we're going to be talking about the

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covenant specifically and referencing things that we think you probably already know.

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But those are season one and it's right towards the beginning of our episodes like episodes

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like four through five or something like that.

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But reminder, the initial origins of the covenant.

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So there's in Genesis chapter 12, we're introduced to this guy named Avram.

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His name is not Abraham yet.

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It's just Avram.

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And God calls him, he comes to him and he says, go to the place I'm going to show you.

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And essentially it's like, go start walking and I'll tell you when to stop.

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And if you go, I'm going to bless you so that all nations are going to be blessed through

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you.

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Like I'm going to do something in your family that's actually going to bless everybody.

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This is the setup to this covenant that God is making with Avram.

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And to Avram's credit, and I think one of the key things about his character is that

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he trusts God and he goes.

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Now Avram of course doesn't always trust God, but in this case he does trust God and he

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And that's going to be really important as we kind of go through and talk about this

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covenant.

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Years pass and then in Genesis 15, Avram is getting a little surly.

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Is that a good way to say it maybe?

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God comes and he says, behold, I am your shield and your mighty, you know, mighty savior.

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And Avram's like, really?

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Because I don't have a kid.

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You definitely said something about a kid.

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You definitely, by the way, this is the BLT Ben's Living Translation.

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It's not to be confused with the bacon lettuce tomato, which is also a lovely sandwich, but

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not a Bible translation.

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He says, I don't have a kid and Eliezer of my household is actually going to be the one

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who inherits everything I got.

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And God says nothing, which by the way, if you go back to those episodes, you'll know

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that there's a time that has passed where we talk about this Hebrew when God says, and

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then God says, right?

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So then Abraham says again, he's like, hey, I don't have anybody who's going to inherit

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my stuff.

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And God sets up, has Abraham set up this blood path covenant, which we talked about.

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I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about it because we did talk about it in a

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He sets up this blood path covenant and Avram as the lesser party should be the person who

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goes and walks through the covenant.

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But he doesn't because we know that he falls asleep and that he has to shoo away the wild

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animals who are coming after the carcasses, which means they have been there for a while.

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And then in the deep sleep, we see that God reaffirms his covenant with Abraham, Abraham

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at this point.

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And he says that he's going to be the father of many nations, that if you count the stars,

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all the things that go with it.

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And it says that Abraham believed God, it was credit to him as righteousness.

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And then it says that a blazing fire and a smoking pot walked through the blood path

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covenant.

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And then it walked through the pieces of animal.

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So what actually happens there, and we talked about, which is really important for our understanding

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of theology and understanding of the character of God is that God actually walks both sides

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of the covenant.

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He walks through as the one who's being granted something and the one who is granting something.

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And essentially what this means is that this covenant will not fail.

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God is going to be the one to uphold both sides of it.

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Well, and in this covenant also, it's not just Genesis 15.

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Like you hinted at it, it started back in Genesis 12 with the call.

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It actually runs all the way through Genesis 17.

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It actually has a test of faith in Genesis 22.

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So it's a covenant, understanding this covenant means you have to understand about 10 chapters

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of scripture and the rest of the Bible.

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But you really have to understand about these 10 chapters of scripture.

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No, what Spencer just said is you only have to understand 10 chapters of the Bible to

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understand covenants.

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Nope, that is not what I said at all.

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Not at all.

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Ben is putting words in my mouth.

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He's trying to make me say things that are not true.

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So, but you need to understand that it's not just like, okay, we read it in these five,

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six, seven verses, whatever.

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Like it's a covenant that is happening over a long period of time.

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this covenant coming back over and over again.

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Of course, yes, in the life of Abraham, but then when he, when then in the life of Isaac,

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he comes and reaffirms, he's like, I am the God of your father, Abraham.

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And then when he gets to Jacob, he says, I'm the father, the God of your father, Abraham

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and Isaac.

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And he reaffirms with each generation.

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Then he comes, of course, then with Joseph, the guy of your father, Abraham, Isaac and

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And then it's this, this family is understanding is getting ingrained in them that there is

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a covenant between them and Yahweh, right?

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And so one of the, one of the things about this covenant is that it's unconditional.

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From God, from who God is to us, it's an unconditional covenant.

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It will be fulfilled.

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I think, I think if you were going to say there is a condition on the covenant, it says

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when God says, go, you go, and as you go, he will bless you as you go.

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In other words, as you live into the word that he gives you, he's going to work through

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you to bring all of creation back to himself.

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This is, this is by the way, is the call of the Jewish people from the very beginning.

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Like they are meant to be in the crossroads of the earth.

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God puts them in Israel, which is a really weird place to put a civilization.

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Unless you realize that all the ancient roads go through Israel.

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So if you're going to give a civilization that's supposed to transform everything, where

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do you put them?

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In the middle, which let's just take a pause there.

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Then if we are followers of Christ and we bring this kingdom of God to places and we're

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supposed to be interacting with people and changing them by bringing the kingdom of God

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places, where do we go and stand?

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I think often, and I don't want to, I want to really say this carefully because I think

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there's, there's good reasons.

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A lot of times we go to our churches for safety, security, to not be in the world or you say

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we want a bunch of believers around us because it's too hard to work out in like these types

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of things.

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But our call is to actually go and be amongst the least of these, right?

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To go and bring light to darkness, peace to chaos, love to hate.

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And the Bible actually does not have very nice things to say for those who don't.

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In chapter 25, when Jesus is separating the sheep from the goats, he lays out the same

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accusations for both sides.

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One fulfilled them, one did not.

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And all those had to do with being with the least of these.

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With the people who needed Jesus.

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And when we neglect that, God's like, okay, that's cool, but I don't really know you.

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Well, and I think, I think with that same idea, the reason that when you don't engage

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in these types of activities, because they're the, yes, those activities themselves, those

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are good things to do, feeding people, giving them something to drink, clothing them, visiting

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them when they're sick or in jail.

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Like those are all really good things.

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But they're prototypes of Jesus is where people are that are broken.

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Like that's where he is.

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That's where God is at work is in broken people.

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And he's looking at bringing them back.

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If Jesus makes a statement, it says the doctor doesn't come for the healthy, he comes for

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the sick.

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So if you are carrying medicine, what are you doing hanging out with people who are

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And now, of course, I don't want to take that too far.

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You a hundred percent fellowship of believers, having like your, your community, all those

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things, but you exist to go and penetrate the darkness.

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And so we coming back, coming back to Genesis here, you talked about a little bit, but there

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is a faith element to this covenant, right?

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Especially when you think about the sign of the covenant, which we'll get to in a minute.

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But Genesis, so Genesis 15 six, which you read earlier, says Abram believed the Lord

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and credited to him as righteousness.

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So there is a faith element of Abram being like, okay, I believe what the Lord is saying

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is true and he's going to fulfill this.

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He doubt now, did Abram see that?

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Not in his lifetime, not in his lifetime.

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Isaac didn't even see that in his lifetime.

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Jacob didn't see that in his lifetime, or Jacob started to, Joseph started to see it.

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He saw more.

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And so as each generation passed, they see more and more of this covenant fulfilled.

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It's interesting too.

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So you pointed out that says Abram believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.

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So at this point, boom, like Abram believes God and God's like, cool, it's sealed.

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Two chapters later, he's going to have him take on the sign of the covenant.

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Which by the way is a circumcision if you're not familiar, which is not great.

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We're not going to go into detail.

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We're not going to go into detail on that, but suffice it to say that if a bunch of people

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in their, well, I mean, Abram was like 90 something and he has to have it done.

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It's not a great experience.

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And it's also, I like with what we were talking about in Noah, it's a covenant they can't

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lose because once you have done it, it's going to be really hard to cover that up.

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But this is really important because Paul is going to talk about this in Galatians and

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it's really important to understand the argument that he's making in the book of Galatians.

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He talks about how Abraham's faith was counted as righteousness and those who have faith

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are children of Abraham.

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Now children of Abraham being people who are grafted into this tree.

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We've talked about it, I think maybe in the past, we talked about how in Galatians he's

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addressing three groups of people.

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He's talking to the the the Theosabes is like the God fearing Gentiles.

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He's talking to the people who have have actually stepped into and chosen to be Jews and then

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the people who are Jewish by birth.

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And he says that if you have faith in Abraham, you are children of Abraham.

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That's a really big statement to his Jewish audience.

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That it's not actually going to be circumcision.

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It's not going to be observation of the law.

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It's not going to be any of these different things, because prior to all of that, Abraham

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believed.

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And it was the belief that justified him.

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And that's super important because then he says, now, if then the blessing of Abraham

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has now come to the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, emphasizing faith.

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And so then he has he says, you are not justified by the works of the law, these things that

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make you Jewish.

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The works of the law, I might need to have a quick thing here.

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Works of the law is not referring to the entire Torah.

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It is referring to the things specifically that make you Jewish.

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Having circumcision, not wearing blended fabrics, not cutting the ends of your field, the things

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that are expected of the Jewish people specifically, not necessarily of the whole population.

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But Paul says it is not these things.

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It's not these things.

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It's not the observation that makes you Jewish that justifies you.

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But it's actually your faith in Jesus Christ that you are trusting in the faithfulness

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of Jesus Christ to redeem you through your life.

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It's that trust that actually makes you righteous in the moment.

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And it just like that.

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As soon as you trust Jesus, you place your identity on him, then you are carried with

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his blood to the very throne room of God.

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And that moment you're grafted into this covenant, which is which brings us to the purpose.

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Well, like what's the purpose of this covenant?

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Yeah.

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Which comes down to the blessing of all nations.

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Right.

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You got to rewind back to Genesis 12 on that.

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But where God talks about how he's going to bless all nations through the work of Abram.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that through Abram's line came Jesus, right, the son of God, who came, died for

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our sins so that we can put our faith in him and be grafted into this covenant to see this

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covenant fulfilled.

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Like that's one of the really cool things about this is it's not just for the Jewish

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people.

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Correct.

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Right.

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And that's what Paul is really getting that in Galatians is like this covenant is for

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all nations coming back to Genesis 12.

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And there's a lot of really like Paul is addressing some things that are really questionable that

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are happening in Galatia.

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So we're not going to get into that in this episode.

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Sometimes we'll do it like a whole other series.

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Yeah, we'll do we'll do an episode on a couple of episodes on Galatians and talk about that.

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I think it's you know, this whole thing about justification through faith.

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So we just came through James.

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So in Romans four, Paul's going to make the same argument from a different perspective

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as he's talking to people in Rome, right, not Galatia.

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And he's like Abraham's justified by his faith, not by his works.

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And he's setting a precedent for all the believers moving forward.

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Now, if you remember back in the Protestant Reformation, that is one of the driving points

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for Martin Luther's thesis.

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Right.

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Now, however you feel about Martin Luther, Martin Luther was correct about one thing

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is that your your justification, your salvation, your redemption is not done by anything you

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do except to place your trust in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

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But there is an obligation when you're part of that covenant to go and bless and as you're

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blessed, bless other people.

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Yes.

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Right.

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To actually transform the world by bringing in the kingdom everywhere.

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So the work is a result of the change.

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The work doesn't create the change.

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Yeah.

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And there's something to be said to that.

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Don't be discouraged if you don't see drastic change.

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Right.

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So like Abraham, he didn't see drastic change.

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Isaac didn't see drastic change.

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Jacob a little bit more, Joseph more.

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And then as this covenant became more and more fulfilled, there was more drastic changes

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that were happening.

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Right.

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Sometimes when we're following Jesus, there's moments where we're big, drastic change is

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going to happen.

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You'll see hundreds of people come to follow Jesus right away.

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Other times, it's years of conversations with two or three people before they're like, you

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know what?

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I think there's something to this.

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Right.

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So it's one of those things where we can read about covenants like this, be like the whole

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world is going to be blessed and we can get in our heads thinking that like, okay, when

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I step into this, then all of a sudden I'm going to have those Billy Graham moments where

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like I'm evangelizing to millions of people.

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And really nobody talks about the person who led Billy Graham to the Lord.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I mean, like there's so many different things or the parents who gave Billy Graham the ability

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to grow up and be able to attend something where he engaged the Lord.

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Yeah.

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So like, but the point being is like, what is the Lord, when you step into this covenant,

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what does the Lord put in front of you?

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Right.

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And how are you living in faith?

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Right.

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And I think to redirect what you're saying in just a different avenue is I think sometimes

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we think, okay, this call means that I need to go do great things.

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It's like, no, it's not the things you do.

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It's the quality of the person doing them.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Like we, I was talking, we were talking about this in our small group and I said, you know,

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we are always like, oh, you know, I should preach or do this or teach and go to a mission.

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All those things are great.

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I was like, but if you're doing activity to be valuable, then you're missing what we actually

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want to see, which is we want to see hearts that look like Jesus, that everything you

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do is like Jesus is doing it.

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Well, I think we need to redefine a couple of things here.

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Yeah, let's do it.

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So, so one is, yeah, the heart posture coming back to that.

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Like when you lean into this covenant, you are entering into relationship with God.

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Yeah.

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You're entering into a covenant relationship with God to where you and him are the most

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important thing.

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Yep.

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Right.

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Everything else is second.

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So if you're trying to do things, if you're trying to do the works of the Lord apart from

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the Lord, you're missing, you're like, there is a fundamentally a huge piece that you're

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missing and that is God.

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Right.

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Right.

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Let him, let him work that in you.

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And what you're going to find is as you lean into your relationship with God, you're naturally

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going to do the works of the Lord.

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Yeah.

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Those are going to become more natural inclinations.

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Now the second thing I think we need to redefine is like, what is great works?

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Right?

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Because oftentimes we quantify great works by quantity.

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Yeah.

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How many people are attending?

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How many people are doing this?

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How many are doing that?

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And in reality, most of the conferences I've gone to, I can't tell you what the person

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talked about, but I can tell you the great conversations I've had with people around

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a table at a coffee shop with that one person who said, Hey, you know what?

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I'm going to spend time with Spencer because the Lord's putting him on my heart.

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I can tell you the times I've, I've had great conversations with other people because the

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Lord said, Hey, I want you to reach out to them, spend some time with them, talk Jesus

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with them.

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Right?

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Great things does not mean quantity.

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Right.

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And, and the whole thing is like your work that you're called to do.

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If you actually believe that God is your master, like you invite him to do in your life to

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be sovereign, right?

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Then whatever he calls you to do is the great work.

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Yeah.

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Like if that's scrubbing toilets, it's scrubbing toilets.

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That's the great work.

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Exactly.

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Right?

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Like it is all like, we're not the King.

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So the King gets to tell us what the great work is, but we are all a family working together

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to build the kingdom.

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Right.

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And put, bring his kingdom on earth as it is in heaven.

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Right.

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And I was, I, I, I love the way that you said that because, um, there's this temptation,

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I think in Christendom to try to earn what God has freely given and it's, it's, it's

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gotta be frustrating.

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Can you imagine with your, with your spouse, right?

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If like you were constantly like, Oh, I've got to, I've got to do more for her.

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So she realizes that she didn't make a mistake with me.

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Right.

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Like to really earn this affection that she's given me freely.

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Do you know how frustrating that would be as, as like the receiving party?

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Like you're like, no, no, we, I chose you.

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We're together.

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Now let's go forward and do life together.

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So you don't have to, you don't have to earn my love.

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So this, this I think relates to what we're talking about here.

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One of the things that drives me up a wall when people talk marriage is you're like,

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Oh, it's a 50 50 commitment.

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I was like, no, that's a divorce.

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Yeah.

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Like that's a divorce.

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Like marriage is a 100, 100 commitment.

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Like you're each giving a hundred percent to this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like, I mean, I can speak for my spouse.

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I've ticked my spouse off before.

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I'm sure I've heard from her.

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Yeah.

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I'm sure you've ticked your spouse off before.

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Never, never.

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These are also pretty close.

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I'm pretty sure I've ticked your spouse off before too.

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So you know, but a marriage relationship, a covenant relationship is not you coming in

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being like, all right, here's the 50%.

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I'm going to contribute to this, right?

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It's not a business deal where you're like, Hey, I own 35% of this company.

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And so here's, here's my commitment and responsibility to the company.

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That's not how it works.

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This is a 100% you're all in or you're not in at all.

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Talked about from a different perspective, because I think Brene Brown did a really good

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job of this, this particular one.

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If you imagine that there's an activity as a couple that you have to accomplish it, it

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takes 100 energy units and I come and I have 30 and my wife brings 70.

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We both brought a hundred of what we have.

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Right.

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And other times she might have 20 and I have 80.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And so like, I don't want you to think like, uh, like sometimes with the numbers we can

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kind of get confused here.

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It's like, you're not giving 200% to everything.

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It means that you're completely committed with everything that you can commit.

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I'm good.

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I think those cookies made you sneeze.

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I might leave that in just so you know.

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But uh, anyway, so this idea is that we, we bring whatever we can, but there are seasons

494
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where like, if you are, if you're working 60 hours a week and, and then you're also

495
00:22:37,180 --> 00:22:42,260
like doing X, Y, and Z, you may only have 20 energy and your house, your spouse is picking

496
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:43,560
you up on the other side.

497
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That's partnership.

498
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That's a hundred percent of both of you committing to each other.

499
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Yeah.

500
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Right.

501
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,860
Um, and, and I, the only reason I wanted to caveat that is cause I think somebody can

502
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hear that and be like, they're like, well, what about when I'm tired?

503
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And I was like, yeah, you're going to be tired.

504
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You're going to be tired.

505
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,640
And that's what being a partnership is about.

506
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:05,960
And so like this, this idea of coming back to God is that God is saying like, Hey, come

507
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,160
be here 100% like justification, salvation, redemption, all handled through the person

508
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,160
of Jesus Christ.

509
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,160
You trust on that.

510
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,160
We're good.

511
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Now let's go live life together.

512
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,160
Right.

513
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,320
I want to read you because we just came out of James in chapter two.

514
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He makes a statement.

515
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He says, what's not our father?

516
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,920
Uh, James two, um, was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when

517
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he offered his son Isaac on the altar?

518
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
That's your test of faith.

519
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,840
You see that his faith and his actions were working together and his faith was made complete

520
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by what he did.

521
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And the scripture was fulfilled.

522
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That says Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness and he was

523
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called God's friend.

524
00:23:42,660 --> 00:23:45,600
Was it the action that made Abraham's faith?

525
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,680
Um, possible or let me rephrase that.

526
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,520
Was it his, the action that actually justified Abraham?

527
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,120
No, it was his faith, his faith justified.

528
00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:00,680
And then it became real when he put it into action.

529
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,320
And you have to be really careful not to mix those up.

530
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Yeah.

531
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,560
It sounds like a nuance and it's not.

532
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,440
I just want to read this from the book of Hebrews.

533
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So you guys kind of know what, what is going on in the rest of scripture.

534
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,720
In chapter 11, we're talking about the hall of faith.

535
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,280
It says by faith, Abraham, when called to go to a place, he would later receive as his

536
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,320
inheritance obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going by faith.

537
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,600
He made his home in the promised land, like a stranger in a foreign country.

538
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,980
He lived in tents as did Isaac and Jacob who were heirs with him of the same promise for

539
00:24:29,980 --> 00:24:34,680
he was looking forward to the city with foundations whose architect and builder is God.

540
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,720
By faith, even Sarah who was past childbearing age was enabled to bear children because she

541
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,380
considered him faithful who had made the promise.

542
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:47,000
And so from this one man and he as good as dead came to sentence as numerous as the stars

543
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,720
in the sky and as countless as the sands on the seashore.

544
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:50,720
Yeah.

545
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,720
Right.

546
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Like that's, that's a big deal.

547
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,720
Right.

548
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Uh, one of the things with this covenant that I think you have to take into consideration

549
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,560
too is the location and scripture where it's put.

550
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,560
Right.

551
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,560
So Genesis 12 through 22 is kind of like the main passages where you're going to find elements

552
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:07,560
of this covenant.

553
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,920
Uh, but what, what happens right before then you have Genesis 11, you have the tower of

554
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,880
Babel and Genesis six, you have Noah's Noah, uh, Genesis six through nine.

555
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,680
You have a story at Noah and the flood, right?

556
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Um, Genesis three, you have the fall of mankind.

557
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:29,120
So you have three different stories where you have mankind wanting to be like God.

558
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:30,120
Yeah.

559
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:31,120
Right.

560
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,480
Uh, Adam and Eve being like, we're going to be like God in the same knowledge and understanding

561
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,480
Noah, uh, the flood happening because mankind was so evil and every intention that they're

562
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,360
like, they're still striving to be their own gods.

563
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:45,360
Right.

564
00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:49,560
Um, uh, Babel and 11, same thing.

565
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,480
We're going to be like God, right?

566
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,920
We're going to raise our all the way up to the heavens.

567
00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:00,520
So you contrast like this human desire with what is God's desire in this covenant, right?

568
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,600
His desire is to be with us.

569
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:04,600
So there's a huge difference.

570
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,720
Like a lot of times in culturally in America, a lot of times we want to be like something.

571
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,760
We have role models.

572
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,320
We have aspirations.

573
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,360
We want to be this.

574
00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:14,360
We want to be that.

575
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:15,360
We want to do this.

576
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,360
We want to do this.

577
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:19,640
Meanwhile, God's saying, I just want to be with you.

578
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,560
It's interesting when you, when you consider Genesis one through 11, we talked about this

579
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,200
and we linked the Baymah podcast episode, but where they talk about that a Genesis one

580
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,920
through 11 is actually a large chiasm.

581
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,040
And at the center of the chiasm, uh, if you've talked to them past, uh, mirroring texts,

582
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,720
it comes to a central point at the center.

583
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,240
Another chiasm between one and 11 is, is, is a name and it's the name Noah, which his

584
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,640
name means he rests.

585
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,960
Then it's interesting to me that immediately he goes and tells a story about right after

586
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:52,400
this, as this chiasm talking about how all of creation is about resting in God, right?

587
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,920
About finding your identity in God.

588
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,720
He finally finds somebody he just says to go and he goes and he says, this is going

589
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720
to happen.

590
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,800
And he believes him and it's credited to him as righteousness.

591
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Like we're seeing a person who learns how to rest on the word of God and trust, not

592
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,360
perfectly because Abraham was far from perfect.

593
00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:13,980
Um, there's lots of stories.

594
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:14,980
Go check out season one.

595
00:27:14,980 --> 00:27:19,020
There's lots of stories that we have where he messed up plenty, but he was a person who

596
00:27:19,020 --> 00:27:21,120
learned how to trust the story.

597
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,120
Yeah.

598
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:27,080
And so the point point being of this covenant is this is God coming back, coming as God

599
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,160
coming back to a similar creation story where he's saying, no, I want to be with you.

600
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,380
We're creating this new, right?

601
00:27:33,380 --> 00:27:37,000
So if you're listening and you're thinking like, man, like this covenant sounds big,

602
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,480
it sounds like it's a lot of responsibility.

603
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,000
I mean, no, the responsibilities on God, your responsibility in this covenant is to be with

604
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
God.

605
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,000
Yeah.

606
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,560
That's your responsibility.

607
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,360
One of the, one of the reasons I've, we've talked about in the, and many people have

608
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,800
talked about, so it's not new is that, um, understanding that Jesus was a Jewish Messiah,

609
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:57,800
right?

610
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Um, if you actually read in the book of Matthew, um, I want to point out right in the genealogy

611
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,520
right at the beginning, they named him as the son of two people.

612
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,580
It says Jesus, the son of Abraham, right?

613
00:28:09,580 --> 00:28:11,880
And the son of David, right?

614
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:17,200
Um, and of course he's the son of Joseph too, but, um, it's also as a son of Abraham.

615
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:23,240
So like Matthew being written to a Jewish audience, he's telling them exactly who Jesus

616
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,680
is coming and what covenants he's stepping into.

617
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,680
Yeah.

618
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,560
They know exactly when they say son of Abraham, okay, he's walking into Abraham and covenant.

619
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,560
The son of David.

620
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Yep.

621
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
He's walking in the Davidic promise, right?

622
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,560
And we have, or we're not there yet.

623
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,560
We'll get there.

624
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,120
Uh, but Jesus comes and he actually embodies these.

625
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,280
And then, so when Paul actually goes back here, he's like, now cast your identity onto

626
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:54,600
Jesus and his faithfulness and trust in the, and trust rest, find your worth in the completed

627
00:28:54,600 --> 00:29:01,520
work of Jesus Christ and go and live out these promises that are meant to bless the entire

628
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,120
world and bring to the kingdom of God crashing down.

629
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Yep.

630
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,240
That's all I got.

631
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,680
It's all I got.

632
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,920
Send us your thoughts, comments, concerns, anything that you have.

633
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,280
I, if we tickled your brain somewhere in here and you're like, oh, that's a cool thing.

634
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Uh, send it to us in a message or comment underneath.

635
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,240
I tickled your brain.

636
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,240
Yeah.

637
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Do you not tickle people's brain?

638
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Is that not something you do?

639
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Apparently that's just the thing I do.

640
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,600
So if we, if you heard something and, uh, you're like, man, that's really cool or,

641
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,880
Hey, I don't know about that.

642
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Like, could you clarify, send us a email comment underneath one of our videos.

643
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,480
We always welcome people talking to us as long as they're not being weird.

644
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:43,040
Or if you want Ben to stop saying tickling your brain, I might get some text messages

645
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,000
actually on that one specifically.

646
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:51,480
But until next time, we've loved talking to you guys and we'll talk to you next time.

647
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,500
And that's a wrap for today's episode of love and context.

648
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649
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650
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