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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you.

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Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations with your host, Ben and Spencer.

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Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through the powerful lens of love.

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In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing fresh insights and gaining

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deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith in practical ways.

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So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love and the context of the

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Bible intersect to transform our lives.

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Welcome back, everyone.

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You ready for this one?

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It's been a whole week.

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It's been a whole week.

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Whole week.

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And definitely not 10 minutes for us.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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We just like to wear, we just make sure we watch last week's episode and come back in

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with the same clothes.

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Well, people who are listening don't know that.

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They can't tell.

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They just tell that our voices are in the exact same like state that the last episode

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ended.

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What are you talking about, Ben?

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Yeah.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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Well, we are going to be jumping into third John.

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Just to continue on the joke, we'll be in chapter one today.

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Chapter one.

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So but you kind of have to recap first, John, a little bit to understand these books.

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So reminder what I covered in the last episode.

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And by the way, if you're jumping into third John, you really need to listen to the last

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episode on second John first, because there's a lot of stuff we're going to reference in

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this episode because he kind of has to write this letter to address the opposite side of

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what's happening.

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So first, John, second, John, third, John, all written by John and or then attributed

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to John the elder.

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And the first letter he writes, he says, Hey, just want to remind you of things we already

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know Jesus is light and all the people who want to walk with Jesus walk in the light

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and they are purified by the light as they walk in the light through the love of Christ.

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Also, Jesus and God are love and that if you are going to walk with Jesus, your life is

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about love.

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This is who you're going to represent talking about Jesus and the father as people who are

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walking within the same authority, same, same mission, they are one God represented in two

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distinct persons.

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Right?

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Obviously the Holy Spirit too, but in this person, he's talking about Jesus and, and

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God the father.

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And the main reason he's dealing with this is that there are these people who are coming

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from the outside and they're talking about how Jesus didn't physically live on the earth

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that he was a, that he was not physically president in his three and a half years of

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ministry or when he was beaten or crucified or resurrected.

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They are compromising the very nature of Jesus, which we talked about last week and John says,

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Hey, these people who are coming and they're compromising the very nature of Jesus, who

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are saying Jesus wasn't the things that the Bible says he is.

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Don't encourage them.

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Don't invite them into your house.

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Don't build up their ministry.

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That's pretty clear.

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Like that's not a difficult proposition.

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But we talked about how you, that is a very narrow position.

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I'm sorry.

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It is a very narrow focus on what he's talking about because he's talking about specifically

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when, when somebody is compromising Jesus and in that same letter, he says that you're

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going to walk in love and that you're going to obey the commands to show that you love,

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that the commands are actually to walk in love and there's a circular thing that everything

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you're doing is saturated in love.

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So even when you're dealing with these people and you're not promoting their ministry, nor

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are you inviting them into your home for the purposes of hearing from them and giving them

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authority, you are still called to love in the midst of that.

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So to jump into third, John, this is a letter from John the elder.

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I'm writing to Gaius, my dear friend, uh, whom I love and truth, dear friend, I hope

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all is well with you and that you are healthy and body and strong in spirit.

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Some of the traveling teachers recently returned and made me very happy by telling me about

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your faithfulness and that you're living according to the truth.

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I can have no greater joy than to hear that my children are following the truth.

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So to start off here, you have John taught writing to a friend, a friend that he loves

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and respects who's been faithful to the ministry, who's helped the apostles, who's lived according

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to the way of truth, which is love.

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And the person of Jesus.

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And the person of Jesus.

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So, so we have a shift from John writing to a whole church potentially and in chapter

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two to one person.

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So that's the tonal shift we just have to note.

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It's, it's going from a broad focus to a more narrow focus.

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Like he's addressing a specific issue.

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Then he goes on to say, dear friend, you are being faithful to God when you care for the

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traveling teachers that pass through, even though they are strangers to you, they have

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told the church here about your loving friendship.

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Please continue providing for such teachers in the manner that pleases God for they are

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traveling for the Lord and they accepted nothing from the people who are not believers.

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So we ourselves should support them so that we can be their partners as they teach the

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truth.

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So rewind back to last week, there was this whole conversation about like, Hey, be careful

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about welcoming these teachers in.

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Some teachers in.

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So now John is writing to guys and he's like, okay, so yes, there's bad teachers out there.

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There's also good teachers.

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And you're doing a great job.

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I hear a fantastic report about the fact that you're welcoming them.

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You're providing for them.

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By the way, it's likely that guy just didn't agree with all of these people.

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100% across the board.

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Likely.

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It's likely that's the case, but he recognized the spirit of God working in them and the

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Jesus that they follow.

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And he says, I'm going to help you.

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I'm going to come alongside you.

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I'm going to take care of you.

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By the way, if you only have conversations with people who you agree 100% with on 100%

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of everything, you're going to live a lonely existence.

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So with, with that talking about people, like only agreeing with people that you agree with

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100%, can we just even talk about Jesus as disciples where you got some Messines, you

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got some, uh, you got some, um, uh, zealots, you got some, you got some tax collectors,

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you have some women, right?

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Uh, not in the 12, but in the 72, you have some women, you have, um, you have some Levi's,

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You have, uh, Pharisees, you probably have a Sadducee or two, right?

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Definitely have Herodians.

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All these people who all have a different opinion about how the kingdom of God is going

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to come to earth.

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And Jesus says, yep, let's go.

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I was talking to some high schoolers a few months ago about Jesus's, uh, disciples and

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they're like, and I was like, well, let's just put it this way.

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Like if Jesus today walked in with his disciples, you would be like, what in the world is this

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group of people?

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Like it would be, it'd be people from all walks of life, uh, all sorts of backgrounds,

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uh, and it's supposed to be an image of what the church should look like.

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I was going to say, I was like, we actually would call that place a church, right?

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But they'd walk in and you'd be like, wait, they don't look the same.

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They don't all act the same.

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There's some voiceless people who are trying to call down fire on other people.

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And then there's, then there's zealots who are known for killing tax collectors.

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Oh, hey, look, there's a zealot standing next to a tax collector.

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It'd be like, it's entirely possible that you have, uh, cause we read about in the book

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of acts, you have, uh, these really prominent women who are connected to Herod's household

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who are actually giving money to the, or sorry, in the book of Luke, uh, prominent women who

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are giving money to the ministry of Jesus that he can go and spread their gospel while

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there's zealots who are people who would actually assassinate Roman officials following Jesus.

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Uh-huh.

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Like this is a very like group that has a lot of opinions, right?

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And that's just in the Galilee area and, and Jerusalem.

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Now they're actually going out.

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Now you have people who aren't just Jews.

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You have people who are Gentiles.

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There are people who worship the Greek gods, the Roman gods, all these different things

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that are kind of coming in here.

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I was like, so how much more difference of opinion is happening at this point?

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A lot, a lot.

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Um, and so guys probably didn't agree with everything.

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But he does say, man, the reports coming back from you, like people are just so impressed

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with you.

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They're like, I love what you're doing and that you're walking faithfully, you're loving

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people well, and you're taking care of people.

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So moving on to verse nine, he's like, I wrote to the church about this, but the offers this,

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however you say that, um, uh, who I'm going to call them.

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Diotrephus and also if you were, uh, pregnant right now with a child, you can either go

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with guys or Diotrephus.

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So he loves to be a leader, refuses to have anything to do with us.

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When I come, I will report some of the things, uh, some of the things he is doing, uh, and

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the evil accusations he's making against us.

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Not only does he refuse to welcome the traveling teachers, he also tells others not to help

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them and when they do help, he puts them out of the church.

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So it, like when I read this in the context of second John, right?

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Like Dio trafus or Dio trafus or whatever we want to say.

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Uh, good old Dio.

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I'm going pastor Nick here on name pronunciation.

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Just have a backpack.

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Not have a backache.

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Uh, uh, in a way he's actually following what John was writing about in, in a John,

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uh, second John, but he was taking a step too far because now there's good teachers

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who are coming and then he's still treating them like those teachers who are saying Jesus

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actually didn't come in physical form.

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Well, and, and it, a lot of it is actually very clear in the person himself.

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So, um, uh, early on it says here and you're yours said it a little bit differently.

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So I'll have you read this too, but in verse nine, it says a road through the church, but

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Dio trafus who loves to be first, right?

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Is how the NIV says it will not welcome us.

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Now yours said, uh, wants to be a leader who loves to be the leader.

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So that is, uh, if concerning for me when I go to churches where a pastor says to listen

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to them and no one else, that's a, that's a, that is a, uh, you want to talk about red

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flags.

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That's like a red banner, right?

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Like that is, it's not a flag like that.

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Let's stretch that puppy out all the way around the church.

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We just painted the building red.

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We just painted the building red.

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Um, because, uh, historically that's also how Colts show up, right?

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Uh, especially built around like, uh, charismatic or, uh, specific figures.

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And they say, only listen to us.

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You're nobody else has, uh, or you don't allow these people to speak into your life.

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And the other thing that this does, uh, just backtracking a little bit is this also tells

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you a little bit about the nature of the apostles.

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Like it wasn't the apostles they were building up.

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And then here you have John saying, Hey, there's teachers plural who are coming into your community.

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Welcome them.

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They're good people.

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Uh, and that should be a model.

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That should be something we're doing as a church, right?

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We should be building up people to take our place.

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Like if we're, I think we had that conversation, um, uh, with Jamie, um, pastor Nick's wife,

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she's going to listen to this and be so frustrated with you right now.

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It's all right.

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Yeah, that's all right.

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Uh, but she was, we were, she's sings on our worship team and she's like, Nick, the words

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are too small.

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And I was like, Jamie, I think this means we need to get people in our twenties on the

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worship team.

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Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Uh, but I was like, but you know, we should be building people up, right?

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Like we should be, we should be a place where we are, where we're not just the ones who

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are hoarding all the time to teach, but we're building people up to send them out to teach.

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Right.

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Or send them out to do whatever they're called to.

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Well and it's, uh, and the, and one of the issues he's like, he's not welcoming, uh,

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not welcoming them like, and specifically people John is sending John who by the way

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went through and actually started these churches, right?

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So has the spiritual authority to stand above.

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Remember last episode we were talking about the ability to actually speak correction.

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Right.

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John is actually in the position to do this because he's overseeing these churches, right?

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As an apostle.

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And so he, he actually has the authority to speak correction into this, not for the purpose

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of embarrassing somebody, but for the purpose of forwarding the gospel and being, having

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a better union with the church, right?

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Better unity inside the church.

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And uh, he says, um, when I come, I'm going to call attention to what he's doing because

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it's not just that he's not, um, welcoming us.

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He's actually spreading malicious nonsense is what the NIV says about us.

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It's malicious nonsense.

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Things that are not actually true by the way, go back to our kingdom of trolls episode.

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There are entire channels devoted to what I'm going to call heresy hunters where they

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maliciously attack people over nonsense or things that they did not say nor things that

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they currently hold true.

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And they go after people around them.

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John has addressed that directly.

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And the other thing John addressed in verse 11, which, which I think we really need to

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take note of this, uh, is what he called, how he calls guys to respond.

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Correct.

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He says, dear friend, don't let this bad example influence you.

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Follow what is good.

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Remember that those who do good prove that they are God's children and those who do evil

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prove that they do not know God.

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Okay.

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So one thing John is not saying, he's saying, Hey, don't go to doubt Travis and correct

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him.

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Right.

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He's saying just don't let him influence you.

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Don't let his, um, bad reports.

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Don't let his, um, words impact who you're going to be.

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And you rewind back to what, what John is saying is, is he, uh, when it comes to doubt

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Travis, he says, yeah, when I get there, I'll deal with it.

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Right.

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Right.

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He's like, this is my issue.

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I'm the one in authority to enact discipline in this situation.

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And then with guys, he's like, don't let that influence you.

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Keep doing the good that you're doing.

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Guy is, I am fully aware of what's going on.

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Yes.

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I'm very frustrated because you've been kicked, killing it, right?

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You've been knocking it out of the park.

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You're doing a great job.

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The gospel is moving forward.

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I do know what's going on with Dio Travis.

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Right.

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And I will deal with it.

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But what you need to do is not let him influence the good that you're doing.

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Yes.

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Holy cow church.

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Yes.

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If, if there's any leaders like that are listening to this, please take note of this.

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Like don't let one person's mistake, uh, tarnish the whole body.

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And this is by the way, like this, I feel very comfortable saying that if you're a church

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leader, this is Jesus speaking directly to you, right?

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He's saying, listen, if you're killing it, keep killing it.

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And don't let what the people who are spreading a bad report who are doing improper things,

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I'll deal with it.

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You go and be about the business of the kingdom and don't let it influence what you're doing.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And then he goes on in verse 12, he says, everyone speaks highly of that, uh, of Demetrius,

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a different person, uh, and as does the truth himself, we ourselves can say the same for

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him and we know, and you know, we speak the truth.

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Right.

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So I think the implication in that text and, and, uh, this, this is just Ben's opinion

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is that diatrophis is probably saying something about Determius.

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Determius, Demetrius, Demetrius.

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I'm reading it through my microphone so that, uh, we might need to get somebody who's in

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their twenties to start reading things on this podcast.

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If you are in your twenties and can read small text, please email us.

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We will put you on the podcast just as a scripture reader.

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Demetrius.

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So it's likely that, uh, I'm as I'm reading this, it sounds like, uh, Diotrophis is probably

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saying something about Demetrius and he's like, no, we know Demetrius.

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You can trust him.

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He's a good man.

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He's following the gospel and don't let, uh, the things that diatrophis is saying influence

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how you treat Demetrius.

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And by the way, uh, this is, we could, we could do a whole springboard into this and

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we're going to, I'm just going to touch on it a little bit.

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If you're part of a church that has a very gossipy culture, that's another huge red flag,

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huge red flag, huge red flag.

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If it's a church that's like, Oh, I'm going to bad mouth this other believer in the community.

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That is a huge red flag.

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Um, I learned a long time ago, if I hear a bad report about somebody, I'm like, you know

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what?

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I want them to prove that to me themselves.

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Um, not, uh, not, it may be true, right?

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Like don't get me wrong.

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It may be true, but there's, but it may not be true.

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Right.

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Um, like I've had people come to me even in our community and been like, well, you know,

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I've heard this said about you.

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And I was like, okay, well, I'm like, okay, well, do you want to talk to me about the

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issues that you think people have with me?

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Or do you just want to encourage other or should you just encourage that person to come

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talk to me directly?

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Right.

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And they're like, well, you know, I just wanted to let you know, I was like, I was like, no,

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I hear what you're saying.

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I was like, but the reality is if someone has an issue with me and they're not willing

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to step up and do the biblical thing and come have a conversation with me, then how much

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credit do I need to give that?

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And yeah, and I mean, take a, take a letter out of, or take a beat out of what John says

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here is like, just keep doing what you're doing.

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Don't let, don't let it influence you.

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Yeah.

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Like, cause I think it's really easy when people are like, oh, well, let me tell you

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about the garbage that's going on and why this person is terrible.

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It is really easy to get on one of those trains.

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Right.

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And, uh, and I'm like, you know, that's just not what I've seen.

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And so I'm just going to not give it any credence until, uh, I'm going to allow people the opportunity

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to screw up their, like to mess up their, my opinion of them to me.

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So I'm going to let them show me who they are.

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So the flip side of that is, uh, and this, as I say this, you might be like, oh, that's

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a really different way to look at it.

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But if you are willing to let people prove how good or bad they are to you, uh, if the

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report is that if they truly are like a horrible person to be around, right.

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What it actually allows you to do is be Christ to them and give them a chance for redemption.

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Yeah.

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Simply by saying, you know what?

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I hear these bad things about you, but you know what?

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I'm you have to prove that to me yourself.

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You're actually saying, you know what?

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I see, I hear these evil things you're doing.

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I hear how bad of a person you are.

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I'm pointing at Ben right now because he's the only one in there.

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Cause I'm, I'm the evil person.

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Ben's the evil person in my life.

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Um, hey, listen, it wouldn't be the first time somebody called me an evil person.

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Uh, wouldn't be the first time someone called me one either.

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So, um, but, uh, honestly, if you're going to do effective ministry for Jesus, at some

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point somebody or somebody is going to say bad things about you.

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Just make sure that they're saying bad things about you because you're following Jesus and

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not because you're just being a jerk.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But when you give those people a chance, you're actually being Christ to them and showing

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them how much Jesus loves them.

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So in second John, he's saying when people are materially changing the person of Jesus

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Christ, you shouldn't encourage them.

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You shouldn't invite them into your home.

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And it seems like this, this idea then gets divided out, which is what's happened in the

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church a lot of times.

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Like, and I'm just speaking church locally, like, uh, uh, us, right.

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Is that we then are like, okay, well, which issues are, can we just disassociate with

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people about?

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And that seems a lot of what diatrophosis is going into is that he wants to be the leader.

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He's got to figure it out.

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If you don't agree with him, you know, and that doesn't even mean that diatrophosis is

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a bad person.

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It just means that he's very zealous in his pursuit of, of Jesus, uh, or it could mean

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that he's very zealous in his pursuit of Jesus.

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And he's not willing to compromise a portion of it to the point where he's not actually

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even listening to Jesus himself.

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Well, there's a difference between just being straight up evil and misguided, right?

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Risk guided.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of times there are people who hold these really hard and fast opinions.

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The best thing we can do for him is pray for him and have patience and let the Holy Spirit

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do his work to not let it influence what we're going to do, but allow Jesus and the Holy

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Spirit to do his work in them or the person that God puts an authority over them.

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And uh, and the thing is I'm not interested in going and converting people who already

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know Jesus.

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I am interested in talking to people who don't know Jesus or want to go further with Jesus,

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but having that conversation.

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Right?

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So uh, hopefully like those two letters, you can kind of hear like there are some places

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where you don't encourage it and you actually are like, Hey, listen, I can't allow this

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in my house.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And it's when you're compromising the person of Jesus Christ, when you're compromising

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the very person, Jesus Christ, cause that's all who it's about.

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It's all wrapped up into Jesus.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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All of Torah pointed to him, all of, uh, everything that comes after the gospel points back to

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him.

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Right.

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And we live through him.

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And uh, and so if that's compromised, that's a problem.

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Everything else we need to have grace and figure it out with each other.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And trust the Holy spirit to do his work, trusting in the word that is in our hearts.

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And honestly, a lot of us on our phones that we can come to and have an honest conversation

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about these and not pick and choose verses for the perspective of, uh, pushing our opinion.

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Right.

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Uh, I'm not picking a verse and being like, well, the Bible says this and pulling it out

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of context, right?

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I'm actually reading.

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What does it actually say?

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What is the intention?

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Cause if I just read second John or third John, I might not.

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And didn't contextualize it with first John.

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I might have some wildly different opinions about what these mean.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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And then I want to point out here one more time, cause I love this.

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Uh, one more time.

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Uh, I have much to write you, but I do not want to do so with pen and ink.

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I hope to see you soon and we will talk face to face.

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Face to you, the friends here, send their greetings, greet the friends there by name.

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Right.

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I just, I love that.

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Once again, he's like, Hey, I could write a lot more, but I wanted to let you know,

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I know what's going on and I also know what you're doing.

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Don't let what's going on affect what you're doing.

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Like you're killing it.

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Keep going.

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That by the way is, uh, I'm going to, we're just going to save for the pastors out there,

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ministry leaders, Christians who are just living their existence with Christ in a really

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good way.

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You guys are killing it.

485
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,200
Quit doing that.

486
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Don't get distracted by political season.

487
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Don't get distracted by things that other churches do.

488
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Go and focus on being the light in your community, spreading the kingdom of God, having authentic

489
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relationships and shining light in the world.

490
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,720
Right.

491
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,200
How you love your community for the sake of Christ is way more important than how you

492
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,200
vote.

493
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,880
It a hundred percent is the thing that will determine whether or not people know that

494
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,120
you're part of the kingdom of God is not whether or not you slap the I voted sticker on your

495
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:41,600
chest.

496
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:46,040
It's going to be, uh, how you love the people around you.

497
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,040
Because Jesus makes a statement.

498
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He says a new command I give to you love one another as I have loved you.

499
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So you should love one another by this.

500
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All the people in the world are going to know that you're my disciples.

501
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:03,640
If you have love for one another, then comes back to second John and third John is, uh,

502
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:10,080
I, I, this command is to love, to obey the commands and the command is to love, obey

503
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,080
the command.

504
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:17,840
The command is to love feeds in on itself over and over and over again.

505
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,040
You cannot separate love for God and love for your brother.

506
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,940
You cannot separate love for God and love for the outcast.

507
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:32,280
Those things are, uh, irreconcilable if you separate them because love for God is always

508
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,640
going to turn into love for people.

509
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,580
And oftentimes someone who, who genuinely loves people and you're like, Oh, but they're

510
00:24:39,580 --> 00:24:40,580
not following Jesus.

511
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:43,680
I was like, well, they just haven't accepted the truth of who God is yet.

512
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,680
Right.

513
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,560
I will meet them where they're at.

514
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,880
I will not condone their life, but I will invite them to something deeper.

515
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,480
But whether they know God or not, they are reflecting his nature.

516
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,480
Correct.

517
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,960
Because they are made in the image of God.

518
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,960
Yeah.

519
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,440
Our job is to pull away everything that doesn't reflect.

520
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,440
Amen.

521
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:03,440
Yeah.

522
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:04,440
In a, in a good way.

523
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,440
Yep.

524
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,440
Yeah.

525
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,440
Some of you are like, I got the chisel and hammer.

526
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,440
Let's go.

527
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,440
No, no, no, no, no, no.

528
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,440
Yeah.

529
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,280
We, we want to pull, pull the gold out of people's lives and allow them to reflect the nature

530
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280
of Jesus.

531
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,280
Yep.

532
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,280
Yeah.

533
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,280
Amen.

534
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,280
That's it.

535
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Little book, big message.

536
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,280
That was five books.

537
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,280
Yep.

538
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Yeah.

539
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,280
It was good.

540
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,280
Yeah.

541
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:26,280
Until next time.

542
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,060
And that's a wrap for today's episode of Love and Context.

543
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We hope you enjoyed this engaging conversation and gained valuable insights into the powerful

544
00:25:31,980 --> 00:25:34,000
message of love within the Bible.

545
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00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,460
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547
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554
00:26:05,740 --> 00:26:08,620
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