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Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations

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with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through

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the powerful lens of love. In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing

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fresh insights and gaining deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith

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in practical ways. So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the

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context of the Bible intersect to transform our lives.

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New series, new series, new series. Little book, big message. I like it. It kind of reminds

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me so people who listen and go to our church or in town probably know that we had a summer

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series called Minor Prophets Major Implications. So immediately when our church secretary saw

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that title, she's like, you came up with that, didn't you? And I was like, yes, yes, I did.

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She's like, because we love Pastor Nick, but he doesn't come up with quirky titles. No,

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that is definitely a Ben thing. So we are going to jump in. So the idea of little book,

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big message is we're going to over the next I think it's five weeks, tackling the single

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chapter books. Yeah. So today, we're in Obadiah, which is really cool because you actually

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just preached on this not in like just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. So it's all really fresh

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in your head. So for those that are listening, that was a long time ago, two weeks, man,

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two weeks. Listen, when you have kids and people who are listening who have kids will

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come 100% agree. You have kids two weeks is a very long time. Sorry, I should specify

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when you have kids that are under seven, seven, right? When they require just a ton of attention.

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Yeah. Just a like, probably to help people because I mean, I don't think Obadiah is necessarily

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like the first book that rolls off people's lips when they're thinking about which book

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to read in the Bible. I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe for you it is just to

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get some context on the book of Obadiah. So it it falls in. It's a prophecy against the

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the country of Edom. And so if you know Edom, it's actually that a sentence of Esau. So

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if you go back to our first season where we were talking about Jacob and Esau and this

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this conflict that is going on between them. Well, it turns out that those those things

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tend not to go away. Yeah, they if you have conflict in your family, it tends to follow

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you generationally. Yeah. And so now we actually have this prophecy coming against the the

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country of Edom. And what has happened to Israel at this point is God has warned him.

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He's like, hey, come back to your covenant, come back to your covenant, come back to your

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covenant. And then they just kept ignoring him. He's like, OK, well, I'm going to put

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you in captivity so you learn your lesson. And then I'm going to have you come back and

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put the covenant on display. Yeah. And so the so the prophecy to Edom is coming as the

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Israelites are being invaded by Babylon and they're being carted off into captivity. This

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prophecy is coming against Edom because Edom was doing some stuff during this time. A little

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bit, a little bit like they were coming in and they were actually looting the areas,

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which is what Obadiah is going to get into a little bit here. Yeah. And and taking things.

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And it's actually interesting. I was listening to the Baymaw podcast where they had the episode

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and they're actually talking about how you know that scene in Raiders of Lost Ark where

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they go and there's like the they find the grail. But the city carved into a mountain

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that's actually in the area that is Edom. And they have like these fortresses and stuff.

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But I mean, obviously, the Holy Grail is not there. Yeah. But but like that was actually

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the thing of the Edomites is they actually would carve their cities into the hills. Yeah.

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And it's just really interesting. That's not really pertinent to what we're talking about,

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except they do talk about retreating to your hills. It is pertinent. It is pertinent. Yeah.

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No, it's 100 percent pertinent because like a lot of it is talking about how Edom is looking

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down on how they were looking down on Israel and is referring to that through the Book

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of Obadiah. And that is both a metaphorical reference and a physical reference of their

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cities were carved in the hillsides. And so like to conquer their cities was a monumentous

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task because they didn't have artillery or airstrikes or stuff like that. So it was a

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monumentous task. And so they had kind of this chip on their shoulder being like they

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can't take us. Yeah. They can't beat us because of where we're at. And they had this mindset

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of we're looking down on our brother, both physically and metaphorically. Got flies in

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our face. Yeah. So summer in Alaska is really fun. Flies in your face. That's the downside

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to it. Now the Nats. Keto. The no CMs because again on your skin, you can't see them. And

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then you're like, oh, look at all those bite marks. And then you're like, oh, I just got

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20 bites. Yeah. Yeah. And so so that's how I kind of described eating a couple of weeks

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ago. Jacob and he saw his relationship. I was like, whenever Jacob and he saw got in

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the same room, you didn't know if they were going to hug or try to kill each other. That

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was that was kind of a relationship. It was like it was like, what's going to happen next?

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And and that relationship continued on through their descendants. Yeah. And it doesn't actually

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even stop in the Book of Obadiah, because if you actually look further, the country

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of Edom actually ends up being smacked out in the middle of spice trade. Yeah. Eventually,

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there is a guy that rises up to incredible wealth and is given dominion over Israel in

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the time of Jesus. His name is Herod the Great. And if you don't know him, he is actually

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an Edomite that is trying to be the king of the Jewish people. Right. So you actually

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and he's not accepted by the Jewish people. Surprise, surprise. Yeah. But he is actually

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an Edomite wanting to actually be king of the Jews. Yeah. So that is that's some interesting

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like history stuff that actually connects even into the New Testament. Yeah. So I was

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thinking because these books are short, we should just read portions of them and just

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talk about it a little bit. Read the Bible. I know, right. It's a boring concept. Yes,

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we should. Sorry about that. I can't wait to clip that out and just like be like the

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context. Yeah. I'm going to love and out of context. Yeah. So getting into the first few

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verses that we want and just let's look at verses one through four to start with. And

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it says this is the this is the vision of the sovereign Lord revealed to Obadiah concerning

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the land of Edom. We've heard a message from the Lord the that the we heard a message from

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the Lord that ambassador who was sent to the nations to say get ready everyone. Let's assemble

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our armies and attack Edom. The Lord said to Edom, I will cut you down to size amongst

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the nations. You'll be greatly despised. You have been deceived by your own pride because

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you live in a rock fortress and make your homes high in the mountains. Who can ever

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reach us way up here? You ask mostfully. But even if you soar as high as the Eagles and

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build your nest amongst the stars, I will bring you crashing down says the Lord. So

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that is that is by the way, one of the things I love about the prophets and one of the things

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you should always know when you're reading prophets is poetic prose. Uh huh. Right. They're

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using a lot of word pictures, but this one is like especially like potent because it's

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taking something literally that's going on with them. And then it's speaking metaphorically.

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Yeah. Yeah. And I just love that. Yeah. And like jumping on the literal side, the Lord's

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literally saying we're going to cut you down to size. Yeah. Like we're going to you think

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you're higher than everybody else. We're going to humble you. Yeah. And this also has like

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some great callbacks to like the whole idea of the Tower of Babel. Yeah. Right. Because

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like you're going to build our stuff all the way to the heavens. Right. We're going to

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be high above everybody else. We're going to be like, yeah. Yeah. That's like turns

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out I got a couple thousand feet on you. Yeah. And then you get to verse four and the Lord

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basically saying it doesn't like this is a Spencer translation. It doesn't matter how

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untouchable you think you are. Yeah. Right. We're like, he's like, I'm the Lord. You're

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not. Yeah. Watch me do what I need to do. Well, I mean, and I mean, how true is that

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for? I mean, I think always we need to be careful when we hear prophecies against Edom.

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We're like, oh, well, those are some other people. They can very easily be us. Oh yeah.

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Because how often are we like building our towers or insulating and we're like, we're

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like, oh, I'm above the nonsense. Right. And or you look down on people because of their

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socioeconomic status or because of where they are. And I was like, you could lose your job.

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You could lose your house. You could lose like things so quickly. Uh huh. And and it's

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one of the calls to actually live with a generous heart, which is actually the combination on

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on the people who eat them is that instead of looking to Judah and being like, how do

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we help them? Uh huh. They're like, what can we take from them for ourselves? Yeah. And

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that gets into the next few verses. Yeah. Or says, if thieves come at the night and

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rob you, what disaster awaits you? They would not take everything. Those who harvest grapes

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always leave a few for the poor, but your enemies will wipe you out completely. Every

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nook and cranny of Eden will be scorched and looted or will be searched and looted. Every

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treasure will be found and taken. Right. So the Lord's going on being like, here's, here's

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some of the traditions. Like you look at the tradition of gleaning, gleaning in the fields.

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Like you see this in Ruth where, where she was, where Ruth went and she was working the

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outskirts of the fields and gleaning the leftovers because Israel was called to leave a portion

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in their fields for those who can't afford food to go glean for themselves. Right. And

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so you have, this is something by the way, Eden, the Edomites know Torah. We need to

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preface that too. Yeah. Like they know Torah. Well, they're not going to be that familiar

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because it's the text of the people around you. It's like literally your extended family.

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Exactly. So they, they know, they know the bullet points of it. Right. And so here they

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probably know this idea of gleaning and the Lord says, yeah, that's not going to happen

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for you. Yeah. Like you're not going to have that opportunity. Right. And then the Lord

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starts going, uh, goes into a little bit more, but then you jumped down to verse 10 and it

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goes into why Eden was being punished. Yeah. I'm going to read that here. Uh, so Spencer

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and I are using different translations. So if you're following along, just know we're

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using different translations, but they're going to be pretty, pretty close. You will

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be covered with shame and destroyed forever because of the violence done to your brother

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Jacob on the day you stood aloof on the day strangers captured his wealth while foreigners

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entered his gate and cast lots for Jerusalem. You were just like one of them. Do not gloat

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over your brother in the day of his calamity. Do not rejoice over the people of Judah in

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the day of their destruction. Do not boastfully mock in the day of distress. Do not enter

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the gate of my people in the day of their disaster. Yes, you do not clothe over their

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misery in the day of their disaster and do not appropriate their possessions in the day

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of their disaster. Do not stand at the crossroads to cut off their fugitives and do not hand

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over their survivors and the day of distress. Now I've also, uh, just coming back to this

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idea like handing over to the, the implication of a, of a, of a teacher, uh, in a little

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testament, um, I forget where he, where he teaches that, but he was saying the, the implication

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the picture you should get for what Edom was doing is essentially, uh, Israel's running

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away and they're up in their, up in their stone fortress and Babylon comes and they're

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like that way, that way. Yeah. You know, they're like, Hey, they went that way, you know, like

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they're not even providing refuge for the people who are running. Well, and there's,

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there's two different types of evil that's going on. So one, which is actually mentioned

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in the first couple of verses is the evil of not doing anything. Correct. Right. Like

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look at verse 11, uh, when they were invaded, you stood aloof, refusing to help foreign

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invaders carried off their wealth, gassed lots of divide up Jerusalem and you acted

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like one of Israel's enemy. Why they act like one of Israel's enemy because they still

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were the roof. Right. Cause they sat back. Right. Right. So that's one, that's one accusation.

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Then you get onto the next verses and then that's where they joined in the fun. Yeah.

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Where they're like, Oh wait, they're doing that and they're succeeding. So why don't

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I join in? So you didn't just do nothing. You actually became part of the problem. Yeah.

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Which comes with, which leads to a personal application for us. Yeah. Like when we see

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someone, when we see someone suffering, like if we don't do anything about that or try

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to do anything about that, that's just as bad as adding to their suffering. Yeah. Well,

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and I think, Oh man, I think when you actually have a heart that never does anything, you

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eventually become the very person that is now oppressing. Yeah. Like it goes, it's,

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it's a subtle shift, but it happens over time. Yeah. And I think the caveat here is you can't

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do everything. No, Edom couldn't stand against Babylon. Like that's for sure. They could

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not do that. Right. But you can do something. And I think the, the call to like the, the

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believer, the follower of Torah, the follower of Jesus is when you see injustice and you

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do nothing. I mean, coming back to James, do you actually care about justice? When you

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see these, these things happening? Can we put that phrase injustice in this context?

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Yeah. Okay. Cause a lot of times we have people nowadays who will see what they perceive as

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an injustice and they'll go blasting all over social media or something like that. Right.

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That's not what we're talking about. Like we're talking about physically helping somebody

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in need. Yeah. Right. Um, we had, we had a situation in our town where a, where there

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was this person who got stuck in our town, no place to stay. They were going to be out

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on the streets and we were able to offer a couch for them to sleep on. Right. Right.

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That was like serving a physical need. Right. Um, and, uh, and so like that's a way that

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you can serve injustice. Right. Was it fair that that person's flights got canceled and

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they were stuck here? I mean, no, I mean, there's there, but we could fill the need

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and it doesn't really matter why that injustice happened. If we can actually provide a place

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of respite. If you have somebody who, uh, let's say found themselves in jail and they come

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out, but they're having a really hard time finding work, but they're dedicated to putting

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their life back together and you don't do anything to help. Yeah. Nothing. You know,

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it's hard. Yeah. You know, and, uh, like you, we can't do everything. No, but we should

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do something. Eat them, commit defeat battle on them, but they could have welcomed those

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who were defeated. Right. And at the very least they could have not plundered their

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cities. Moving on to the next part, right? Right. Right. Where like you get into like,

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what was some of the implications? Verse 13, you should not have plundered the land of

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easier Israel, why they were suffering in such command, Clement, blah. Yeah. So I'm

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tired. Now going back to your, uh, we're going to read the Bible. That doesn't sound so silly.

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That doesn't, you should not have gloated in their destruction when they were suffering

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such calamity. You should not have seized their wealth when they were suffering in such

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calamity. You should not have stood in the crossroads killing those who tried to escape.

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You should not have captured the survivors and handed them over in their time of terrible

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and a terrible time of trouble. Yeah. Right. Like, so then they went from this, like, oh,

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you still aloof to like, wait, we can get something for ourselves. So at this point,

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when they're coming into verse 15, uh, Tim Mackie was talking about on the Bible project,

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um, he was talking about how the, the authors use this word Edom and it's very close to

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Adam, which is more about humanity. And like, there's this play on words here because on

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15 it shifts and, and up to this point, it's been addressing a literal thing that happened.

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Uh huh. Right. But then it uses Edom as a typecast for all the injustice that's being

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done in the nation. Yeah. And then how God is going to address that. Yeah. Yeah. And

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so then you get to verse 15 and on, and that talks about restoring Israel and destroying

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Edom. Yeah. Right. And you get into this imagery of destroying what is wicked, what is evil.

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And uh, and we gotta be very careful with this too, because a lot of times we can take

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this and go into like militant Christianity mode. Correct. Which is not what we're supposed

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to do here. What we're really supposed to do here is because you have to tie this whole

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thing together and the verses before Obadiah is calling out Edom and then the next verses

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it's calling Edom to in, in where retrospect to retrospect what they've done. Yeah. And

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once again, we are, this is, this is prophetic literature means that it's supposed to evoke

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pictures. Yeah. And so they're trying to evoke pictures that make sense to the people of

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that time. Yeah. And so if you take the pictures from people of that time and you immediately

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make them the exact same pictures for us today, you're gonna get the wrong conclusions because

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they don't mean the same things to us. We have to understand what they meant to them

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and then take that and say, as followers Jesus, what do we do with that? Yeah. Right. Yeah.

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So in verse 15, the day of the Lord, the day is near where I, the Lord will judge all godless

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nations. Yes. You have, as you have done to Israel, so it'll be done to you. Your evil

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deeds will fall back on your own heads. Just as you swallowed up my people on the Holy

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mountain. So you, so you and the surrounding nations will swallow the punishment I pour

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out on you. Yes. You, all you nations will drink in stagger and despair from history.

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Yeah. Very encouraging section. Well, it's been, it's this, I, it is an encouraging section

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if you're Israel. Yeah. Because what God is saying is that he's like, Hey, this injustice

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that is going around in all of these nations, because you were supposed to be the typecast

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Israel. You're supposed to show people a different way. You're supposed to put my kingdom on

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display to change the entire world. But injustice won't last forever. I will turn it on. Is

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it. And one thing you need to know in this section is who is a judge. God. Yeah. Not

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us. Right. We need to be really clear on that. Like, like, Oh, but I was levied the complaints

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against Edom and then overdive delivering a message from the Lord saying that the Lord

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is the judge. The day is near when I, the Lord will judge all nations. Yeah. Not the

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day is near where you then will judge all nations. I, I'm okay with not being the guy

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to judge. Oh, me too. Me too. God can have that responsibility. Right. The judgment is

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for the Lord. Right. We are called to be conduits of his love, right? Conduits of his redemption.

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And so you, so you can take that and you can actually put us in Obadiah's place where Obadiah

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is being a conduit for Israel's redemption in this moment. Right. He's delivering a hard,

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a hard message. Sometimes we have to do that, but it's not Obadiah being the judge. Obadiah

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is not leaving an army to take over Edom. Right. The Lord's taking care of that. He's

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declaring some move that is happening from God. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You want to take verse

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17? Yeah. All right. I'm going to take 17 to the end here. Yeah. So continuing on in

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17, but there will be deliverance on Mount Zion and it will be holy, which by the way

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should indicate to you that it's not them. It's God doing it. Right. Yeah. The house

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of Jacob will dispossess those who dispossess them. Then the house of Jacob will be a blazing

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fire and the house of Joseph, a burning flame, but the house of Esau will be stubble. Now

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hold on real quick here. There may be a blazing fire. So throughout the old Testament, who's

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been the blazing fire? Then God. So they're saying the house of Jacob and the house of

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Joseph are actually going to be representative of representing God. Okay. The house of Esau

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will be stubble and they will be set on fire and consume them. Therefore, no survivor will

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remain of the house of Esau for the Lord has spoken. People from the Negev will possess

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the hill country of Esau. Those from the Judean foothills will possess the land of the Philistines.

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They will possess the territories of Ephraim and Samaria. While Benjamin, that's not me,

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will possess Gilead. The exiles of the Israelites who are in Halah, who are among the Canaanites

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as far as Zarephath and the exiles of Jerusalem who are in Sarif, Sappharad will possess the

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cities of the Negev. Saviors will ascend Mount Zion to rule over the hill country of Esau,

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but the kingdom will be the Lord's. That's a lot of names.

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Well, but here's the deal. Like you have this moment where the day of judgment is the Lord.

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The Lord's going to restore Israel. The Lord lays out a plan of who's going to be where.

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Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the Lord, like here you have Obadiah declaring that the Lord has

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this all under control. Like this is very encouraging if you're Israel because you're

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like, our troubles are going to be over. They're going to cease. We're going to be restored

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under God. Right. And we are going to be placed in the spots that he wants us.

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So I think I hear two different things here. Yeah. One is this word to to the people. If

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you are in a safe place and other people are not, is to have compassion, to reach out,

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to take care of your brothers and sisters and to definitely not not participate in the

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abuse. Yeah. Right. That is a good message for us to take that our call and it resonates

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with the teachings of Jesus, with the apostles, with everything that we find in the rest of

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the Bible. The other thing is. Yes, you're going into captivity. Yes, you're being displaced

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because you screwed up. And I don't know a single Christian who hasn't screwed up and

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been in this place. Yeah. Where they're like, I am reaping the reward for what I sowed.

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Uh huh. Right. God still says, I've got a plan. I'm going to restore. I'm in charge.

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I'll take care of it. I'll bring you back. Yeah. That's a that's a really good word of

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encouragement when you feel like you're in the middle of chaos. Yes. As of your own actions.

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Really good word of encouragement. And so, yeah. So when we are following Christ as a

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household, right, like my my wife and I, like when we together as a household following

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Christ, one of the things that we've recognized is that the culture of Christ in our household

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is stronger than anything that he can throw at us. Yeah. And so so we recognize when those

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quote unquote inconveniences come our way where we have to step outside of our comfort zone

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and welcome someone into our house or take care of something that's an inconvenience

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or doesn't fit into our time schedule for the day, right? That our culture in Christ

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is stronger than whatever the world can throw at us. And sometimes there's going to be

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struggles. Sometimes it's going to be really tough, right? Following Jesus isn't easy,

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right? And sometimes there's tribulation. Sometimes there's persecution. Other times,

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it's easy. There's things that are easy, right? Like it's both and. Yeah. And but we as believers,

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we need to be willing to say, you know what, that is a difficult situation that I need

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to step into. I think also this whole idea of interruptions, stepping out into places

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maybe where we don't have a hundred percent footing and all. Yeah. Is also this invitation

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to engage the spirit where he's working. Yeah. And they're actually some of the most profound

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life altering life shaking moments. Yeah. When you're willing to get a little uncomfortable.

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Yeah. For the sake of the gospel. Absolutely. By the way, the gospel, not just like declaring

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the life, death, burial, resurrection of Jesus by the way that we live. Yeah. Right. Right.

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Absolutely. That there's something different about us. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. There we

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go. Little book, big message. By the way, like spend some time in the minor prophets

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and spend some time in the prophets. It's difficult sometimes with the language, but

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there is some really cool stuff that's going on in there. Yeah. There's always this massive

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message of hope in the middle of chaos that God is bringing his people through. Yeah.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Well, till next time. And that's a wrap for today's episode

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