1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,560 Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,240 with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,880 the powerful lens of love. In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,000 fresh insights and gaining deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,360 in practical ways. So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,640 context of the Bible intersect to transform our lives. 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:41,320 Welcome to a random inserted episode because everybody in the world got sick around us. 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,080 It's so true. Love in Context. Ben and his two kids are sick. My wife, my daughter, I'm 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,360 not sick. My wife is sick. Oh yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Your wife and your two kids are sick. 10 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,120 My wife and daughter are sick. My assistant at work is sick. Yeah. I think her kids are 11 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:03,040 sick. So there is a bug going through, but not to worry podcast family. We are not sick. 12 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,360 Not yet. Not yet anyways. Yeah. Um, so we're going to do a little bit of a different episode 13 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:12,800 where we've talked about a lot of resources. And so I want to go through and I want to 14 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,360 just talk about some of our main resources that we use on a regular basis and why they're 15 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,520 beneficial for people and then just kind of have a conversation about a few of them. So 16 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,160 the rest of this episode is going to be, it's probably not going to be as long. Uh, we will be returning 17 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,280 next week and it will not be Kyle Quinn because of a scheduling conflict. It will actually 18 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,720 be your wife is going to come and talk about, uh, the spiritual gift of tongues. Yeah. Yep. 19 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,940 And then we'll be finishing out that series with pastor Sarah after that one week talking 20 00:01:38,940 --> 00:01:43,160 about healing ministry and what is healing and deliverance look like. It's going to be 21 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,520 great. So, uh, so I want to start with probably some of we've referenced, it feels like a 22 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:54,080 thousand points times at this point, right? Uh, that's Baymaw discipleship.com, right? 23 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:59,800 Dot org.com. I think it's.com. Um, Baymaw discipleship. So that is the Baymaw podcast 24 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,800 with Marty Solomon. Yes. Um, so I have known Marty for a lot of years. He, he and I actually 25 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,120 were at the same church though, not at the same time. I left a church, uh, when I was 26 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,760 in college and he came in at the same time. So if you were like, Oh, you didn't know each 27 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,480 other. Well, yeah, we missed each other by like four months and met like five years later. 28 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:26,080 Yeah. Um, but, uh, Marty is first of all, a really good man, loves the Lord, uh, is 29 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,200 passionate about the text. He's passionate about people wrestling with the text, passionate 30 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:35,000 about people diving in and learning more. He definitely engages the Bible from an intellectual 31 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,120 perspective. Yes. And that's not a bad thing. So how is the Baymaw podcast really helpful 32 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:44,800 for you? They are going, everything that they're going to talk about from the Baymaw podcast 33 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:50,800 is trying to understand the Bible from the Jewish perspective, right? Um, understanding 34 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,880 that we of course are Westerners and we're going to understand it from the Western perspective. 35 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,320 They say, how do we make sure that we understand that this Bible was written by written to 36 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:05,040 and written for Eastern listeners? Right. And, uh, so you understand of course, like 37 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,840 when we went through tour series, why we referenced them a lot of times, because placing the text 38 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:15,040 in context matters. Absolutely. And so, um, there, there's, their podcast is different 39 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:19,560 than ours because ours is, you know, of course conversationally based and it's meant to really 40 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,320 understand like, yes, in context, but how do we live that out today? Yes. There's as 41 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,160 much more informational, it's much more informational, more academic, which by the way, if you've 42 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,160 been listening and you're like, man, I love this podcast, but I wish I had something that 43 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,760 was more informational. That's a great podcast for you. And we can't recommend them enough. 44 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,680 Um, you know, we think that having real conversations was really important, but their conversations 45 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,920 are really good there too. Yeah. Um, they're just more intellectual and more about the 46 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:49,000 text itself. Yeah. The first time I listened to Baymaw, it was like, it was one of the 47 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,360 things where I was like, this is so good. And that I went back and re listened. Right. 48 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,840 Right. And I didn't, and like, I'm not typically one to do that. I'm like one and done. I listened 49 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,040 to her like, all right, I did it. It's done off my list. And, but that one, I was like, 50 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,120 okay, we're going to go back. We're going to listen to that episode again. Cause Marty 51 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,920 impacts some really, really cool things throughout his podcast. Yeah. And I, I highly recommend 52 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:16,720 there's the first five seasons. Um, they call them cap. They're, they're capstone. They 53 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,280 may be sessions. I can't remember if they call them sessions or seasons. Um, the first 54 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:25,840 five seasons are meant to be taken as their core for lack of a better word curriculum. 55 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:31,120 Yeah. And, uh, and I, I strongly encourage you, everything in the later seasons is built 56 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,040 on the previous seasons. So don't just find a topic you want and jump there because you're 57 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,680 going to miss the greater context that they're setting up. Start in episode one or actually 58 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,360 episode zero and go all the way. And then when you actually get to season four and you 59 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,880 get to the revelation, you're going to have some fun. There's a guy in our church and 60 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,040 his name is life and I'm putting him on the podcast right now. He would love the revelation 61 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,360 portion, but he doesn't get to run their life. You have to listen to the whole thing, the 62 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,480 whole thing to get there. You know, he's just going to run there. Oh, he's just going to 63 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,720 run there. He's a hundred percent going to run there. He's going to listen to this and 64 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:09,520 he's going to be like, yes, yes, I have. Lafe is, I love life. He's so funny. Yeah. Well, 65 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,640 he's such a good man. Um, yeah. So that is, um, that's, that's probably, that's going 66 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:21,560 to be my, my number one go to source. Um, Marty is, he'll tell you, he's not, um, the 67 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,480 most knowledgeable. He is a connector of resources. And so he's a lot of times pulling a lot of 68 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:33,080 resources together for you to be able to disseminate. Right. Um, once again, with all the resources 69 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,880 that we give you today, there's a phrase that has said, you got to be able to eat the meat 70 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,600 and spit out the bones, which means that every single person we recommend, there's probably 71 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:46,520 going to be something you disagree with them on. Yeah. Including us. I have yet to read 72 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:51,360 an author or listen to a speaker and 100% agree on what they say. Well, we were having 73 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,840 a, we were having a fire last week and you and I were just talking about some things 74 00:05:54,840 --> 00:06:01,020 we just disagree on. That's okay. We just figure it out. Yeah. Right. Um, so, uh, with 75 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:05,720 all these resources is like, if you disagree with them, cool. Yeah. Doesn't mean you can't 76 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:12,080 listen. Right. Yeah. Uh, one of the resources I actually use a lot is just the you version 77 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:18,240 Bible app. Yeah. Um, for a couple of reasons. One, it allows you to look at lots of translations 78 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,760 really quickly. Yes. So, so I usually read out a new living translation, right? And you 79 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:28,560 version Bible app is available on Android and iPhone for free for free. Yep. And they 80 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,360 have, and so like, if I read something that I'm like, oh, and the new living, I'm like, 81 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,240 that was weird. It kind of worded kind of weird. And I want to see what other translations 82 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,680 say. I can jump over to NIV ESV, whatever, and see, see how they're wording it to do, 83 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:47,280 do really quick side by side translation comparisons, which really has helped me dive deeper into 84 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:52,080 the text. Right. Right. Um, I think that as you start reading the text more and more, 85 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:57,400 the more translations you can actually engage with, the more you can actually start to see 86 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,800 a full picture of, of the intent behind the writing. And I think, I think a good app to 87 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,600 couple with the you version app is going to be the blue letter Bible app. Yep. I use that 88 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,460 all the time to blue letter Bible app is we've referenced it a number of times here. It helps 89 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:15,880 you get to the root words of the Greek and the Hebrew. It's a, it's a fantastic app. 90 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,120 Yeah. What it will not do is it won't give you the exact word that's used. Correct. It's 91 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,520 going to give you roots on the words that are being used. So, so there might be a portion 92 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,760 of scripture where it'll give you the root of a word, but that won't be the exact word. 93 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:33,000 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's not on dissimilar from like English. When you, if you were to 94 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:37,520 get to the root of each word that we're actually using, it's technically not how it's said, 95 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,220 but all the roots of what we were said or is in the sentence. Yes. So you just need 96 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,760 to be aware of that. And so you, you actually just have to compile it as you're, as you're 97 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,200 putting the words together. But when you start getting into different translations and you're 98 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,400 like, I wonder why they translated it this way. Well, go to blue letter Bible, take a 99 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,400 look at the root and you're able to use that. Yeah. And the other thing that Bible app has 100 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,400 done, this is just a shameless plug. We're not sponsored by them in any way. It's correct. 101 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:07,760 Yet. The other thing that they have done is they actually created a kids app. Oh yeah. 102 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,960 Yeah. Yeah. Which my daughter plays with all the time and it goes through the Bible stories. 103 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:18,600 It's interactive. It's like a full on Bible game, a kid's app that they've created. That's, 104 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,720 that's awesome. And it's fantastic. If there is one way to get kids more excited about 105 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:28,080 things is to make it into a game. Um, I always like, it's like when my son is like, he's 106 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,920 like, has to pick up the lever and I'm like, well, I'm going to get to it before you. And 107 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,320 he's like, I'm no, I'm going to go. You know, he starts running and picking things up. Yeah. 108 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:41,720 And you're like, okay, you win. I was like, Oh, you got to it before me. I'm so slow. 109 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:47,720 So, yeah. Um, so, uh, let's keep, keep on the Bible, like actually studying the text 110 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,520 apps, things that I really like. Um, there's another app that I really enjoy and I don't 111 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,760 think you have it. It's called dwell. Um, but it is, it isn't, is a way of listening 112 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,000 to the Bible and they have a bunch of different narrators. They have a lot of different translations 113 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,840 and you can also get yourself a number of different reading plans. Yeah. Um, one of 114 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:11,800 the things that we are huge on, on our podcast is knowing the word of God, um, whether that's 115 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:17,640 meditating, reading, listening, dwelling in the word of God. So that when God speaks, 116 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,560 you actually have a barometer to actually compare it to. Yeah. Right. I have used dwell 117 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:28,480 in the past. I don't anymore. Yeah. Um, nothing against them. I just, somebody decided to 118 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:34,280 text me. So I'm going to leave that in just so that they know. Um, I've used dwell in 119 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,560 the past and I think it's a great app. Um, yeah. They're not, they're not terrible. I 120 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:43,760 think you can actually get a lifelong subscription and it supports them and you just get the 121 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:48,360 updates, but it's a, it's a good way. But if you are looking for something that is on 122 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:52,080 the free side, you can actually have you version read to you as well. Yep. Yeah. So that's 123 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,880 actually a good way to do that as well. In addition, uh, this is by the way, I don't 124 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,200 know if you knew this, but your local libraries have, uh, you can get onto what's called Libby. 125 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,920 Yep. It's an online listening and most of them have some version of the Bible on there 126 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,880 that you can listen to as well. So if you are like, I want to listen to the Bible, but 127 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,160 I don't have the resources to pay for it. These are really good alternatives. Yes. Right. 128 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,960 Yeah. Yeah. And one of the things I find that I'm doing more and more is just listening 129 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:26,640 to the text. Like, like, um, I try to, I try to get 10 to 12,000 steps in a day and um, 130 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,880 most of the time when I'm doing that, most of it's in his hip hop jazz class. Yeah, it 131 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:37,800 is. It is. It's hip hop Zumba class actually. Hip hop hip class. We're getting older. So 132 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,200 that's where your hips pop out and have chiropractors on standby as a pop them back in. Exactly. 133 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:48,560 Yeah. So, uh, is I'll, I'll just listen. Yeah. I try to get 10, 12, 10 to 12,000 steps in 134 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:54,760 a day and um, that's a great time just to have headphones in and just listen. Yeah. 135 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,360 Right. Yeah. No, I agree with you. That's it's, it's great. Um, listening to the text 136 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,720 and a lot of these, you gotta remember that prior to the printing press, a lot of these 137 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:08,200 texts would have been written text, right? And uh, so even like we've talked about in 138 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,800 the Hebrew, you would catch a lot of things when they're being spoken in Hebrew, uh, like 139 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:16,360 connecting ideas, especially throughout Torah because you are used to hearing and you're 140 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,320 like, whoa, whoa, wait a second. I've heard that before. Like that particular set of Hebrew 141 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,400 words. I've heard that particular set. Yeah. And uh, and one of the, one of the ways I 142 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:30,000 like to talk about this and this may is starting to be a dated reference, right? But uh, it's 143 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,520 when you can hear words and know that they're actually referencing something else. Um, it's 144 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:39,040 like, if I said, no, I am your father, you immediately know that I'm quoting star wars. 145 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,720 Yeah. Right. Because of the way that I said it, or if I had like a vocal, uh, like modulator 146 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,480 modulator or something like that. Um, there are things that we can, uh, something else 147 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,880 that they know that's what's just so you know, that's a lot of what we call idioms or, um, 148 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,560 cultural context, like understanding, like what did this actually mean to them? Yeah. 149 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:05,480 In fact, there's actually a really fun one in, um, talking about the Harrods and when 150 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:12,160 a Harrod the great passes away and he gives his estate to three of his kids. Um, one of 151 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,320 they go, they go to see the King goes to see one of the Harrods goes to see a Caesar to 152 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,520 petition for, you know, whatever he wants. Yeah. And like he leaves his, his people in 153 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:26,520 charge, but they don't want him to be in charge. So they send a delegation to Caesar. That's 154 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,680 like, Hey, we don't want him. Please don't let him be our King. Now, if you think that 155 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:35,920 sounds familiar, it's because Jesus tells a story about these, uh, this master, this 156 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:40,680 King that gives a bunch of people, Minas, right? And they didn't like the King. And 157 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:45,160 so they sent a delegation to tell the person who was in charge that they don't like this 158 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,900 King and they don't want him to rule over them. It turns out that Jesus actually knew 159 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:52,800 what was happening in modern culture. And he was taking a shot at something was actually 160 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,920 happening in popular culture. Right. So context matters. Uh, another resource that I use a 161 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:05,880 lot and I think you do as well as Bible project, Bible project, Tim Mackey. Yeah. Yeah. Great 162 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:11,400 job. Uh, his, um, a lot of the, a lot of their videos are just summaries are just really 163 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:16,040 great if you're just trying to wrap your head around like, okay, what is the book of, what's 164 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:20,560 the book of Ephesians about? What's the context behind it? I'm picking on Ephesians for some 165 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:25,240 reason. I don't know. It's good book to pick on, but, um, uh, he, they'll have these little 166 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,240 shorts on YouTube. I think it's on their website too, but yeah. So you can either check their 167 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:35,360 YouTube site out or you can go to Bible project.com or.org it's.com or.org and you can actually 168 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:42,120 access all of their material. Yeah. And, and they, they just do a fantastic job, um, explaining 169 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:46,240 those things. Yeah, there, there is a, so the way you use Bible project, there's a few 170 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,480 different ways that I think are super valuable. You were talking about the there's, so the 171 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,240 series is called read scripture. Yeah. And they'll go through and they'll actually draw 172 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:58,400 out what the overarching view of each book is in like seven to eight minute videos. Yeah. 173 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,680 That is one way of really like getting an understanding of a book before you go in and 174 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,560 read it. Right. So by the way, you may be hearing, you're like, Oh, I should use a lot 175 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:10,440 of these things in conjunction with each other. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, really helpful. Absolutely. 176 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,920 Um, they also have like word studies where they talk about specific Hebrew words that 177 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,280 show up or Greek words that show up repeatedly throughout scripture. And they have a, they 178 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:25,440 have a video about that, like an eight or nine minute video. If you are someone who 179 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:29,800 tends to be a little more philosophical in nature, that's what I'm going to go with. 180 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:34,200 Check out their podcast because a lot of the content that they don't put in their videos, 181 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:39,560 they talk about on the podcast and they get a lot more into like the wondering theologian. 182 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Um, you know, not, not guessing, that's probably the wrong word. Um, philosophy philosophy of 183 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:52,640 scripture. So their, their podcast is really heavy. Yeah. It's really heavy. And a lot 184 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:58,200 of times they don't draw down to a specific conclusion. Correct. So there's a lot of, 185 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,460 it's really heavy and it's full of wonder. Yeah. So just know that going in now it's 186 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:06,600 incredibly valuable, but you have to know that about the podcast when you listen to 187 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,140 it, cause they're not going to necessarily resolve things for you. They'll say something 188 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:14,600 and then they, they might not come back to it. Yeah. I was listening to, they did a few 189 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,920 episodes on Noah. I was listening to those a little while back and there was a number 190 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,560 of spots where I was like, you did not conclude this. You did not conclude this or like draw 191 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,700 a conclusion from that. You just spoke what it was. They moved on. Yeah. And so they tend 192 00:15:29,700 --> 00:15:35,060 to do that. Yeah. It is like for me, it's a lot of fun. Um, I've had other people who 193 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:40,520 listen to it and they're like, I get really lost. So whoever you are, that, that might 194 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:47,480 be a great place for you. And then if you're somebody who gets lost in, in the wonder conversation, 195 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,440 just stick to the videos. They're, they're pretty direct and they resolve themselves. 196 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,400 Yeah. Yeah. But they have a little bit of everything for everyone. In fact, they actually 197 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:00,180 have free classes on scriptural context that Tim Mackey does. And he teaches with an entire 198 00:16:00,180 --> 00:16:03,580 class where he actually goes through and talks about a bunch of different things. The intro 199 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:10,280 to Genesis is really good. Really good. It's a, I think it's like 42 lessons. It's a lot. 200 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,440 Yeah. They're all like 18 minutes, but they're, they're really good. So I don't think we can 201 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,480 recommend those enough. So here's the thing. Don't try to do everything we're saying because 202 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:23,520 there's a lot of stuff. Yeah. And we should also, we should also preface that we've used 203 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:29,800 these resources over time. Yes. Like, like we did not go watch 40 plus video, 18 minute 204 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:34,300 videos in one sitting. I mean, I did it two and a half times speed and we, we always joke 205 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:38,680 about that because I listen at audible at two and a half times speed. Yes. Spencer's 206 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,920 mom. I do listen that quickly. Um, I, I heard the thing of that. Apparently nobody can listen 207 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,280 at that speed, but I think you also misled her. You said three times. I did say, yeah. 208 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,640 So it's only two and a half. I went and listened at two and a half. I was like, okay, I can 209 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:57,000 get the rough idea of what's going on. It was a little fast for me, but yeah. So, um, 210 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,520 by the way, if you, your brain does not think really quickly, do not listen to two and a 211 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,560 half. It's more important that you get the content. It's not a race for me. That is an 212 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:10,120 enjoyable pace. Right. For the longest time I did not realize I hated audio books because 213 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:13,560 I did not realize I could speed it up. Oh yeah. So you listened to it one time. And 214 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,960 I was just like, ah, but then you, then I realized I was like, oh, I can speed up to 215 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,440 like one and a half or two. Yeah. And then I was like, this is great. This is much better. 216 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,100 This is much better. Speaking of speeding up books, there's a guy we've referenced a 217 00:17:26,100 --> 00:17:30,040 number of times by the name of John Mark Comer, cause he's also in Portland with Tim Mackey. 218 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,360 Um, he's in California now. Oh, he's in California now. Okay. I think he was in Portland for 219 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:38,120 a very long time doing ministry. Uh, John Mark Comer, we've referenced a lot of his 220 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,440 books. He has a book called the ruthless elimination of hurry. I'm going to throw a couple of his 221 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:45,760 book titles out cause ruthless elimination of hurry talks about living an unhurried life. 222 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,360 In other words, opening your life up for the wonder of God. Yeah. He's got a secret garden, 223 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,880 which talks about what does it mean to have a sacred vocation? What it, regardless of 224 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,840 what it is, man, it's such a good book. Yeah. My wife's reading it right now and she's like, 225 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,800 I had to go back and like, she's listening to it, but she's like, I had to go back and 226 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,680 re-listen to chapters. It's so good. Yeah. It's so good. Um, I actually think that a 227 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,520 lot of churches could really benefit by just preaching his content through that book. Yeah. 228 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Um, he has lived no lies, which just talks about winning the war of your mind. Like, 229 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:19,560 are you going to believe in the truth or are you going to live the lie of the devil? Right. 230 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Yeah. Um, the most recent, uh, practicing practicing the way, practicing the way. Yeah. 231 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,520 And uh, I, I can't recommend that book enough. I gave her five out of five. Yeah. There is 232 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,200 nothing for our purposes of conversation and, and Bayma and all the different places that 233 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:39,960 we reference. There wasn't anything new for me, but he packaged it so well. Yeah. Right. 234 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,560 And there's also there, I don't know who put it on, but somebody put it on, puts on the 235 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,040 John Mark Comer teaching podcast where they just compile a bunch of his sermons. Yeah. 236 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,520 And that you can find that on Apple or Spotify. Yeah. I listened to that a lot. John Mark 237 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Comer. One of my favorite things about him is he's incredibly, um, humble about all of it. Um, 238 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,960 because he, he is a, a very hot commodity right now as far as speakers. Yeah. And he's 239 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,640 just incredibly humble in how he handles everything. And I just really appreciate that about him. 240 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Um, I got to listen to him speak back in January and then he cracked a joke about how, how we're 241 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,460 all just, how he, he was like, yeah, you're all just a bunch of hippies with your hats 242 00:19:18,460 --> 00:19:21,880 on and your coffee is thinking that you're actually doing good. And I'm sitting there 243 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,440 with my hat on and my coffee in my hand, my wife looks over at me and just starts dying. 244 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:31,040 Oh yeah. He called you out for sure. Like 100%. Like I'm sure he wasn't looking at me, 245 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,760 but I was like, 100% call. Oh, you got called out. It was, it was great. That is pretty 246 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,800 great. Yeah. Um, one of the things that I think is, is good for all of our listeners 247 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,840 on the podcast, because we have everyone from Pentecostal to reformed listeners, right? 248 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,280 Is John Mark Comer is going to be kind of right in the middle. Yeah. He's going to be 249 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,800 open to the movement of the spirit, but he's also going to be really heavy invested intellectually. 250 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:57,520 And for both of you that are on the outside spectrums, he's good for both of you because 251 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,560 he's going to help you consider some things that you may not be thinking about and, uh, 252 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,880 and open your, your life to some things that God wants to do in your life. Right. And that's 253 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:12,120 the big thing is I think a lot of times with a study and the things that we do, we tend 254 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:16,920 to do what we've done over and over again. And a lot of times God wants to open us to 255 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:23,440 other avenues of growth. Yeah. Right. Um, I think about like my son and your daughter 256 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,960 too is how many times do they want to go and do the things that they do really well? And 257 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,080 I'm like, okay, but you also have to do this. These things you're not so good at. They're 258 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,040 like, I don't want to, I'm not good at it. I'm like, cause you haven't done it. That's 259 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,800 why you're not good at it. You got to go spend some time and actually, and actually, you 260 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,760 don't try to do it. Well, we had a rule in our house growing up, um, where before you 261 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:55,000 were allowed to go buy coffee, like go, go to a coffee stand or Starbucks or whatever. 262 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,840 You had to be able to drink a full black cup of coffee. Right. That was the rule in our 263 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:06,280 house. Was that, was that, uh, just curious to pastor Nick, give your family that rule. 264 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,280 Uh, before you continue the story really quick, I want to share my favorite, uh, pastor Nick 265 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,960 quote that he made on a Sunday morning. He says, you don't like coffee. You like dessert. 266 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:25,200 It's so good. Oh, man. Everybody out of church. It was everybody. Um, but yeah. So, so the, 267 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:30,560 but the whole idea was behind it was like, Hey, this is what coffee is. Like we can dress 268 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:35,240 it up in a whole bunch of different packages, but this is what it is. Yeah. Right. And so 269 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,380 we need, there's an analogy in there for scripture too. Like this is what scripture is. We can 270 00:21:40,380 --> 00:21:43,720 dress it up in all sorts of different packages. We're talking about different authors right 271 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:49,320 now and a lot of them do a really good job, uh, dressing up scripture in a certain way, 272 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,600 but we always need to go back to scripture. Yeah. Exactly. Cause that's what they're doing. 273 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,560 Yeah, exactly. Um, one more, one more, um, that I want to mention is a resource that 274 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:05,000 we use a lot, especially when, when we were in the Torah series, it's, uh, alaphbeta.org, 275 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,360 uh, specifically Rabbi David Foreman. Now we've talked about it a number of times, but 276 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:16,360 Rabbi David Foreman is, he is not a Christian. He is a Orthodox Jewish rabbi. Yes. Uh, he 277 00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:22,040 does not believe that Jesus is Messiah. And so you need to know that when you go in now, 278 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,660 if you've actually read any of his teachings or listened to his teachings, you might be 279 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:31,160 surprised because often he is teaching and you're like, are you sure you don't believe 280 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:38,480 in Jesus? Yeah. Because the way that he talks about God is reflective of who Jesus is. Yes. 281 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:43,080 And, uh, so what we're not telling you is necessarily your theology from him, but more 282 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,720 to be able to get some fundamental ideas about how Hebrew works from him. Well, and his knowledge 283 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,840 of the Hebrew is incredible. Incredible. Yeah. Uh, I love it when he's teaching and he's 284 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,840 like, he's like, yeah, and this thing is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he rattles 285 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,760 off some Hebrew and he's like, and you'll probably, you, you heard the words that were 286 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:06,840 earlier mentioned. I was like, totally. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely heard that. Um, 287 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,600 and, and, uh, so he's got, uh, he's got a number of things. They, they have a podcast 288 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,840 too. Um, but on alaph.beta.org, they have a lot of videos and especially around the 289 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,520 festivals and like why they celebrate the festivals and how they connect to scripture. 290 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:23,400 That's a really good resource. Um, he also has a number of books. Um, he's got three 291 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,680 Parashah companions. Now, if you don't know what the Parashah is, uh, in Jewish synagogues, 292 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,920 they read through Torah every year. And so there's different portions and it's the Parashah 293 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,800 reading is the Torah portion that they read. So he wrote a companion piece that goes with 294 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:43,240 the Parashah reading for each portion of scripture. And there's one for Genesis, Exodus, and Leviticus 295 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:50,600 at this point. And I just finished the Leviticus. It was so good. So good. Um, he also has three, 296 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,800 maybe four books I'm trying to think through now. Um, he's got one called the beast that 297 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,600 crashes through the door, which dives into Adam and Eve, but more specifically Cain and Abel. 298 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,840 And it's just fascinating read. It's going to probably wreck your brain a little bit. 299 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,680 Yeah. He's got one called the queen you thought you knew, which centers on the story of Esther. 300 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,720 That was a great book. Um, I got Tara to read that for when we, when we preached on Perham. 301 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,360 And, uh, and then he's got one called the Exodus, you almost passed over. 302 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,040 Now, what I like about Rabbi David Foreman is because he is a Orthodox Jewish rabbi, 303 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:31,000 their, their way of teaching is to ask a bunch of questions about the text and then spend the next 304 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:38,360 60 to 80 pages answering those questions. And so his stuff is a lot easier to read 305 00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:45,320 because it's based around this conversation and questions about the text. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, 306 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,760 a couple other authors that we've mentioned a lot, uh, one is, or that we've referenced a lot, 307 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:57,000 one is Francis Chan. Um, he's got a lot of great writings out there from, I mean, crazy love, 308 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:02,920 forgotten God, um, erasing hell. There's a lot of really good writings that he's put out. Uh, 309 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,880 one of the things that we've always mentioned about Francis was that, um, there's been times 310 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,720 where he's taught one thing in his life and then he's come back and said, you know, I used to teach 311 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:17,640 this that I found that that's not actually true. Right. And so I'm sorry, forgive me. 312 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,280 And to have someone who's in that level of authority of public speaking and teaching 313 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,640 the word to say that is huge. Yeah. Right. It should, I mean, it should be common stay. 314 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,600 Let's just put it that way. But, um, so we've referenced him a lot. Um, 315 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,680 I think that one of the best things you can take away from Francis Chan is his absolute 316 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,800 passion for Jesus and loving people. Absolutely. Like if there is one thing that you want to get 317 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,800 from Francis Chan, it's that, uh, cause there are, there are tons of people who disagree with his 318 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,880 theological take on X, Y, or Z. It doesn't matter. If you look at the guy, he loves Jesus 319 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:57,320 and he's not gonna, he's not gonna, he's not gonna hold back on his enthusiasm for the gospel. 320 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:03,080 Mm hmm. And he, back when he was a pastor in California, he put out a great series, 321 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,920 a video series called basics. Um, and it just goes over through the base, some of the fundamentals 322 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:15,720 of Christianity. Um, and so, uh, that's a really good video series. Each video is, I think, 50 323 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,120 minutes long and there's seven of them. Like it's pretty short and easy to get through. Um, 324 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,480 uh, another resource I've used a lot is right now media. Yep. So right now media is great. 325 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:33,080 And almost everybody that we've mentioned, they also have YouTube channels. You can access like 326 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:39,160 videos and teachings. Um, there's a reason why we started, you know, granted I did start with Baymaw, 327 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,640 but, uh, there's a reason we started with a lot of the biblical content upfront. You should be 328 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,120 spending the bulk of your time understanding the Bible and words in the Bible. And that's where 329 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,760 places like Bible project Baymaw and, and the Bible itself come in really handy is that you actually 330 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,240 need to, what is the Bible actually saying? Yeah. Cause then when you listen to teachers, you're 331 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,640 able to remember what I said about meat and bones, you're able to take it and be like, oh, 332 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,120 you're able to take it and be like, man, that's a really good application of that scripture. 333 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:09,160 And then sometimes they'll say things, you know, like, that's not really what that scripture is 334 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,400 talking about, but it is a biblical concept. Yeah. There's a lot of times where I've sat 335 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,600 under pastors and they've made a statement and it is a biblical statement, but they use the wrong 336 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,880 scripture, right? That's not really what the particular scripture was talking about. And, uh, 337 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,920 and so what I, what I have in that moment is this fantastic five letter word, it's called grace. 338 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:35,800 In other words, I understand that God is speaking through them. And as is the case to most of my 339 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,240 life, God is working in spite of them and in spite of me in the midst of what we're doing. 340 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,160 Isn't that one of the beautiful things about scripture too? Yeah. Like it's so brilliantly 341 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:50,920 done that, um, there's times where you can be making a very biblical point, use the wrong 342 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,480 passage, and then you're like, okay, but it's okay because the point that's being made is very 343 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,560 biblical. Um, and so even though that passage might not be talking exactly about that. 344 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:07,400 So that is on the intellectual side of things. Um, I want to talk about two different sides of 345 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,400 things. I want to talk about the meditative side of things, and I want to be really careful because 346 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,760 I think immediately when I say meditative, people think new age, and that's not really what I'm 347 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,240 talking about. I'm talking about learning how to be quiet and talk with God. So the complicated 348 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,640 contemplative prayer, uh, people who are going to teach you a lot about prayers. So there are a lot 349 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,520 of different resources on that. Um, I'm not going to give a specific recommendation because I think 350 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,160 there's a lot of people who teach on different aspects of prayer. The biggest thing is learning 351 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:41,160 how to listen and respond to the voice of God. Yes. And there are some apps that I do like because 352 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:46,600 there is guided prayer times on the app. Um, I'm trying to remember the one off the top of my head, 353 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,160 but it's not coming right now. Um, but there are a number of apps where they, where it's like a 354 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,440 prayer app where they'll have some like just gentle music playing in the background. You can put on 355 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,800 your headphones and be quiet. And if it's something about like releasing anger, every three or four 356 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,080 minutes, we'll say, you know, ask God to bring somebody to mind who you hold a grudge against. 357 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:11,160 And then you just pause and you listen and then gives you time to really place that person in the 358 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,920 forefront of your head and then watch you through the process of forgiving that person, releasing 359 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,920 them, blessing them in the name of Jesus. This is a very, very important thing. Um, 360 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:27,080 this is, this is all part of like self care spiritually as well. Yeah. Right. Um, I've 361 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,520 talked in the past on the podcast and you have as well about our church trauma. Part of getting 362 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,520 past your church trauma is learning how to forgive and love people well. Yeah. And you say, oh, but 363 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,840 what if they don't learn their lesson? It's not about them. It's about you. It's about me. Yeah. 364 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,320 Are we going to be the kind of people who lay down our life on behalf of those around us? 365 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:54,520 Uh, last night in caregiver, we were, we, uh, had a video when they were talking about, uh, cause 366 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,400 there, uh, it was a Ray Vanderlin video where they're walking through the Holy land and they're 367 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,400 talking about this structure that was built for the crusades. And, uh, a lot of people don't like 368 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,040 understand exactly how brutal the crusades were to Jewish and Muslim people. 369 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,800 You can't forget your history, 370 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,520 but if we, if we're not going to learn how to like lay down our life, like, so people had taken the 371 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,880 message of Jesus and they had started to enforce it at sword point. Yeah. Now you might say they 372 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:30,040 would do it at gunpoint, but the message of Jesus was this. He conquered the entire world by laying 373 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,080 his life down on a cross. Yeah. The Jews and the Romans did not kill Jesus. He's very clear with 374 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:41,240 that. He could have left at any point. Jesus laid his life down so that through his death, burial, 375 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:48,520 and resurrection, we would actually have access to the kingdom of God. Yeah. So that we today, 376 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:55,880 as we suffer well, as we live, as we lay our lives down on behalf of other people, we do that so that 377 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,240 the kingdom will come into different places. Yeah. Our, our suffering is not in vain. Yeah. It's to 378 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,080 bring the kingdom of God into the dark places and it's not forever. There's like this whole eternity 379 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,760 of awesomeness. Yeah. This life is a blip and a vapor. So I think part of learning how to like sit 380 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,360 and like rid ourselves of anger, rid ourselves of all these, it's a very valuable resource and time 381 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,960 for us. It doesn't feel like you're doing much and that probably means you're doing it right. Yeah. 382 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,520 That was a hard practice for me to develop. Yeah. Um, I don't know if you guys have noticed 383 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,320 listening to us on the podcast. I like to talk a lot and think a lot and intellectualize. 384 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:41,640 And think a lot and intellectualize learning how to stop and listen and forgive and have compassion. 385 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:47,560 But it's huge. It's huge. It's huge. Yeah. Um, a lot of times in the church, we don't focus on that 386 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,480 side of things as much. Yeah. The stopping, the slowing down, the praying, uh, coming back to the 387 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,920 idea of meditation. You read through the Psalms, the Psalms are constantly talking about meditating 388 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,520 on the word or meditating in the Lord. Be still and now be still and now everything might be 389 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,680 falling apart around you, but be still and now I lift my eyes to the heavens. Right. Right. This 390 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:19,160 is like the idea of a meditative comp was already used contemplative contemplative prayer. I was 391 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,600 like, compilative. If I was like, that's not a word, that's not a word contemplative prayer. 392 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:31,720 But the idea behind that is very much rooted in Jewish history and culture. Yeah. Um, we're talking 393 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,480 about people who were dedicated to that. Yeah. To the meditation of the word, not just the, 394 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:44,200 not just the, okay, I read it, right. It was meditating on it, knowing it, letting it, 395 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:52,360 letting God, uh, change who you are inside and out. There is a, there's a book for the intellectual 396 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:58,120 who'd like to, to kind of walk through this practicing the presence. No, brother Lawrence. 397 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,960 Do you remember what his book is called? Nope. I think it's called practicing the presence, 398 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,560 but if you look up brother Lawrence, you'll find it. It's, it's one that people reference all the 399 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:12,280 time. Um, and he was a, um, a monk and his, his thing about, uh, living in the presence, 400 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,000 I probably said the title wrong and that's okay. Look up the correct title. It'll probably be in 401 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:22,200 the show notes when I actually put this in, I'll put the right title in. Yeah. But just learning 402 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:29,160 how to like syncing up your life with God is the most important thing you can do. And you know, 403 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,160 yes, your intellectual like studying the Bible is going to help you know God, but you actually have 404 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,280 to spend time with God. It's the relationship portion, which brings my, my, my last piece in 405 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,200 you also for resources and in learning how to develop spiritually, intellectually, uh, 406 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:50,600 discipleship wise, you need to know how to worship. Yes. Um, I thought it was really interesting. Uh, 407 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:55,480 one of our pastors here made a statement. He says, why do we worship last Sunday morning? 408 00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:01,400 And like people had a lot of different reasons, but the biggest thing is that when we worship, 409 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:07,880 we get caught up into joining this, the voices of a thousand generations, right? Um, this, 410 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,120 this whole idea from the book of revelation that they cried, holy, holy, holy is the Lord God 411 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,520 almighty who was and is and will be ever be right. And we're joining not only the people who worshiped 412 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,040 in the past, the people who worship present, but the people who worship that are not yet a part of 413 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:28,120 us. Uh, worship is powerful when you do it as a family, uh, church family and like a local family. 414 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:35,160 I think I shared the story once about, um, that family that lost their daughter and they couldn't 415 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:41,400 sing, but on that day, everybody's saying for them, right? Because, uh, we sing on behalf of 416 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:47,240 those that can't sing for themselves. And it's, it's joining our hearts and our minds, understanding 417 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:51,560 and lifting up that God is good and trusting in his goodness in the midst of our chaos. 418 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Yeah. And so no Christian resource is really complete without this idea of worship. Yeah. 419 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,880 So true. Yeah. And worship. The other thing is a lot of times there's times where we don't want to. 420 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,360 Correct. Right. There's times where we don't want to, but we show up anyways. Yeah. And we met and 421 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,560 we worship. I have this, I have this thing. I don't really like to raise my arms and worship, 422 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:24,760 right? But I know that every time I do, God meets me as my arms arise. Yeah. You know what I mean? 423 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,120 Yeah. And I'll be, so I'm going to be, well, even if you're not okay with me being vulnerable, 424 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,280 if you're not okay with me being vulnerable, pause the podcast right now. Fast forward a little bit. 425 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,880 Yeah. Fast forward a little bit, like 30 seconds. Um, I get uncomfortable raising my hands because 426 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,360 of my weight. And like, I feel like I get exposed as like, you know, people being able to see like 427 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,480 my belly or whatever. And so my, when, when a lot of times when I'm like, okay, well, if I'm raising 428 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,360 my hands, I'm constantly thinking about that. I was like, but I do want to raise my hands because 429 00:35:52,360 --> 00:36:00,280 I want to lift my hands up to God. Yeah. Right. And, uh, I had to silence that part of my life. 430 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,680 And you know, the thing is as soon as my hands are in the air, you know what I'm not thinking about? 431 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:11,080 All that stuff. All that stuff. Because I'm just lifted up to God over and over again. And more 432 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,720 than that is that that act of that prophetic act is what I'm going to call it where I'm giving up 433 00:36:15,720 --> 00:36:21,720 everything. God meets me in the act. Yeah. I'm glad that that really yawning at me. 434 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,960 No, no, the yawning was the being up sick. Yeah. With sick kids. Yeah. Kids. 435 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,560 So this has been a little bit of a different episode. Um, but you know, I think it's a, 436 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,640 it's a good one for us. We haven't really talked about our resources a lot. Now there's tons of 437 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:44,760 books we didn't mention. We didn't talk about like Kenneth Bailey or, um, you know, John Orberg or 438 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:50,040 yeah, Dallas Willard. Like there's, there's so many authors and different people that you can 439 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:58,200 collect pieces from. Um, Lois Twerberg, Twerberg. Wow. It's a T V E R on her last name. So, um, 440 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,560 if Lois, if you're listening, I'm sorry for saying your name that way. I, cause she definitely 441 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:07,560 listens to our podcast. Um, you are welcome to come on and, and give us a print correct pronunciation, 442 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,800 but there's, there's a lot of, you know, even Ray Vanderlin mentioned, we were watching some 443 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,360 of his videos, uh, Brad gray, who does a wonderful job of walking the text.com. 444 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,320 We want to, we want to lift up all these people and, uh, and there might be some pieces, like, 445 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,800 like I said, don't try everything, but there's going to be some pieces where you might connect. 446 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,560 And as we went through all of these pieces, like God probably spoke to you on one of those that 447 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,880 he'd like you to start today. Yeah. And my, my encouragement and challenge would be just take 448 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:43,240 these resources at your own pace too. Correct. So if you are like, Hey, I'm going to start listening 449 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:48,920 to Baymont podcast, right? Just take it at your own pace. There's a lot in there, right? If you 450 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,600 need to go over, there's no shame in needing to go back and re-listen to it, slow the speed down 451 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,480 so you can understand a little better, whatever, whatever works for you. And there's no special 452 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:02,280 accomplishment for listening to it quickly unless that's just the part that connects with you. 453 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,120 The biggest thing in all reading, listening, worship, contemplative, everything is what is 454 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,120 going to draw you closer to God and what's going to work for you is not going to work for everybody. 455 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,560 And that's okay. We're different people and God wants to speak to us different ways. Yes. 456 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,400 All right. So we will be back next week with our normally scheduled episode, and we're going to be 457 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,320 talking about tongues. And so some of you have been waiting for that episode to decide if you 458 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,000 want to call us heretics or stop listening. That's going to be the one I thought we were 459 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,200 talking about cow tongues, dog tongues, whale tongues. I know. Do whales have tongues? I mean, 460 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,520 I'm assuming I don't know actually marine biologists that listens, please let us know. 461 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,400 Do whales have tongues? My suspicion is no. Yeah, probably not. I imagine they have some. 462 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:51,160 Orcas do. Yeah. Well, orcas are jerks. So, all right, until next week, we'll talk to you later. 463 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,360 So, Randy, that orcas are jerks. 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