1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,560 Season two of Love in Context podcast welcomes you. Get ready for engaging unscripted conversations 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,240 with your hosts, Ben and Spencer. Our mission remains unchanged to explore the Bible through 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,880 the powerful lens of love. In this new season, we'll embark on a journey together, unearthing 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,000 fresh insights and gaining deeper understanding of how we can love God and live out our faith 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:29,360 in practical ways. So let's dive into this season of Love in Context, where love in the 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,080 context of the Bible intersect to transform our lives. 7 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,360 What's up? Is that how you want to start the episode? What's up? 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,400 That's how we're starting it, man. What's up? 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Sounds good to me. Yeah. 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,400 We've definitely had some different, different starts. I think last time I was, I just came 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,360 out of the gate singing. Uh huh. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:48,360 You did. You did. 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,360 So there's that. That's about right. 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,620 Yeah. I mean, that's about right. 15 00:00:51,620 --> 00:00:55,000 If you are on this podcast and you don't know who we are, which would be strange because 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,360 we're like 60 episodes in at this point. 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,800 But I mean, let's be, let's be real when you pull a podcast up, it usually pulls like the 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:01,800 most recent episode. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,800 The most recent episode. 20 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:03,800 So like. 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,880 So if you're new to this, the unscripted conversation with Ben and Spencer, I'm Ben. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,880 I'm Spencer. 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,200 And we're joined again by our friend Brian from Salvation Army. 24 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,200 That's it. That's me. 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,480 And I heard you brought a sermon again. 26 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:15,480 I always do. 27 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Yeah. He brought it on his phone though. So it looks like there's less because he had 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,240 it on his iPad last night. 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,240 I just have to scroll much farther. 30 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,320 Yeah, scroll much further. And we're also getting to that age where you got to look 31 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:26,320 a little closer. 32 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. 33 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,280 Increase the font size. 34 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Yeah. 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:31,280 Yeah. So good. 36 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,000 So we are in the, in the middle, or actually it is the middle because this is the third 37 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 episode. 38 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Yep. 39 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:38,600 In the middle of our spiritual gifts. 40 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,680 And you were here for the first week when we talked about how the foundation of spiritual 41 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,800 gifts is love God and love other people. 42 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,080 Then last week we had a conversation with Les Kronk about how do we learn to hear the 43 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,600 voice of God because we're going to be in relationship with God. 44 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,160 We actually need to know what to. 45 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Yeah. 46 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,160 Right. 47 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,160 Listen to. 48 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:55,160 Right. 49 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,360 And I think that's the word of God and understanding the word of God as it comes to you. 50 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,840 Being able to weigh everything against that, that ruler that is scripture. 51 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Right. 52 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:04,960 It's the plumb line is what I like to call scripture. 53 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:10,800 You know, you have to know what the voice of God sounds like biblically and in its source. 54 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,800 Yeah. 55 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,840 Also, it's really strange to me when people want to like be like, well, God, God spoke 56 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,080 to me and it has nothing to do with us in the Bible. 57 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,000 They're like, well, you know, and I was like, no, that's weird. 58 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,120 That's weird. 59 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,080 Somebody spoke to you and I just don't think it was God. 60 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,560 You know, you're hearing voices. 61 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,760 I'm not doubting that. 62 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Well, it's weird when you're like, you're like, I want to hear the voice of God, but 63 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,760 I don't want to read anything you wrote. 64 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Yeah. 65 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,760 Like, that's weird to me. 66 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,080 It's weird to me. 67 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:42,440 So today we are jumping into a passage in Galatians for our last foundational episode 68 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,080 before we actually get into specific gifts. 69 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,760 This one we're going to be talking about the fruits of the spirit, which is in the book 70 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,720 of Galatians. 71 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,720 Really quick, I want to kind of give just an overview. 72 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,040 If you are not familiar with the book of Galatians, I am going to link an episode 73 00:02:55,040 --> 00:03:00,160 of Baymah where they cover the book of Galatians and recommend a book by D Thomas Lancaster 74 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,200 called the Holy Epistle to the Galatians. 75 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,520 So Paul is not writing to a church in a place called Galatia. 76 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,440 Galatia is a region and there's a number of churches in that area that he's writing to. 77 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:14,720 And specifically he's writing because they came through and they preached the good news 78 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,720 that the kingdom of heaven is here and it's accessible through the death, burial, resurrection 79 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,720 of Jesus. 80 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:19,720 Right. 81 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,480 And that they are now empowered to live differently. 82 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,960 And they've actually in many of them, they've had the Holy Spirit come on them and now they 83 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,280 are actually walking in spiritual gifts. 84 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,360 And then as it happens, religious people from Jerusalem, and I'm going to say well-meaning 85 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Jews come through and say, because they don't really understand what's happening with Gentiles 86 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,280 and being welcomed in because this is a very controversial position that's happening in 87 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,280 the church. 88 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,520 There's a whole council where they have a conversation about it, right? 89 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:52,320 They come through and they're like, well, yeah, it's great that you trust in Jesus, 90 00:03:52,320 --> 00:04:01,160 but you actually have to undergo conversion into Judaism, circumcision, observation of 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,480 Torah, like a lot of the different things that are going on there in order to participate 92 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,320 in the kingdom to come. 93 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Now the Gentiles in Galatia, the Theosabes, God-fearing Gentiles, they are struggling 94 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,960 with this because they're not really being welcomed into the assembly. 95 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:21,900 So they're kind of at odds with Rome because they're not under the Jewish exception. 96 00:04:21,900 --> 00:04:25,920 And then also they're being told by these people who are also followers of Jesus that 97 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,080 if they don't go and do these things, they're not going to be able to participate in this 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,640 thing that they're already in. 99 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:35,640 And all throughout the book of Galatians, what Paul is saying is if you now trust in 100 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:41,200 Torah or circumcision or the observation of the rules of Torah, which we're going to call 101 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:46,640 mixate altura, the works of the law, it shows up frequently throughout Paul's writing. 102 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,880 If you now trust in this for your salvation, then Jesus is worthless. 103 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:57,360 If you actually trust in this for your salvation. 104 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,000 And so that's the argument he's making all the way through the book. 105 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:05,680 And so he's talking about there's neither Jew nor Greek, freed nor slave, male or female, 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,400 all are one in Jesus. 107 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,160 It's not being Jewish, it's not being Gentiles, it's not being a man, it's not being a woman, 108 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,160 it's not being a rich, it's not being poor. 109 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,500 That makes you a follower of Jesus is trusting in the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. 110 00:05:17,500 --> 00:05:21,800 And that verse in particular is more so saying it doesn't matter where you come from. 111 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,800 Correct. 112 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:23,800 Right. 113 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,800 It's, it's, so that's what it's saying. 114 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,680 It doesn't matter where you come from. 115 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,960 When we say yes to Jesus, we are all the same. 116 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:29,960 Yeah. 117 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Correct. 118 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,960 One identity in Christ, right? 119 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,880 Call back to the last series that we had with your wife where she was on. 120 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,800 And it doesn't matter where you come from, male or female, when you're called to Christ, 121 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,800 you're called to something. 122 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,800 Yeah. 123 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,800 And he's going to be the one that gives you your call and you obey him, not man. 124 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Right. 125 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Right. 126 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,120 So then this passage comes and he then he's saying, okay, but if you're going to follow 127 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Jesus, there is a way that looks like the world. 128 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,640 And he goes through, he talks about anger, malice, orgies, and all sorts of different 129 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,480 things that you probably shouldn't do. 130 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:58,480 Right. 131 00:05:58,480 --> 00:05:59,480 Yeah. 132 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,760 But he says, but if you walk by the spirit, you're going to, you're going, you're, if 133 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,180 you walk by the spirit, you're going to follow after God. 134 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:08,920 And these are going to be the fruits of that spirit. 135 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,160 And he says the fruit of the spirit, the fruit of living in the spirit following after God 136 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:20,240 is this love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self 137 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:21,240 control. 138 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,360 And depending on which words you use in that, in that verse tells me which translation you 139 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,520 probably learned it in forbearance is one that I hear a lot. 140 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,920 And I just, I can't in my head ever remember to say forbearance unless, unless on Sunday 141 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,160 morning the passage is literally on the screen in front of me, then I'll say forbearance. 142 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Yeah. 143 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,440 But otherwise I'm like, ah, yeah. 144 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,600 So we're going to take a, say, take some time here because Paul is very adamant and this 145 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,760 is not the only book he talks about these characteristics. 146 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,680 He just lays it out very neatly here. 147 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,160 So this is why we're using this book. 148 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,160 Yeah. 149 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,960 First Corinthians, he also talks about this in the chapter of love, right? 150 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:58,960 Just in a different way. 151 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:00,480 Cause he says love is patient. 152 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,160 Love is kind, right? 153 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,340 So but we're going to talk about these fruits of the spirit. 154 00:07:04,340 --> 00:07:12,180 So with that, uh, initial, initial conversation, like what does it mean to be a person that 155 00:07:12,180 --> 00:07:13,800 exhibits these fruits? 156 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,680 Well, a couple of things. 157 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,240 One it means you're in tune with what the Lord has, right? 158 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Like when you're following after him, the, the other one is all of these are discernible 159 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,640 actions. 160 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,640 Correct. 161 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,640 That's the other piece of it. 162 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,480 When we are not hidden, they're not hidden, right? 163 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,480 Nope. 164 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,480 They're not hidden. 165 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,680 And when we are following after the Lord, these are actions that we choose to take daily. 166 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Right. 167 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:33,680 Right. 168 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,160 So being kind, being good, being faithful, right? 169 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,960 There are things that distract us from this. 170 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Right. 171 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,240 And if you're like sitting there and you're like, well, I do most of these, I would love 172 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,600 to see how you do in rush hour driving with these particular gifts. 173 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Not just in your actions, but your reactions. 174 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,680 Yeah. 175 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,680 Yeah. 176 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,080 Uh, and so, uh, these are all things that we exhibit and we get to choose to put on 177 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:02,040 display because when we put these on display, we are putting Christ on display for our community. 178 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Yeah, for sure. 179 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:08,400 You know, I always go back to, uh, you know, I was, I loved science growing up, uh, loved 180 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,440 chemistry in school and stuff. 181 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,600 I just go back to the idea of the litmus test, right? 182 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:13,600 Right. 183 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Litmus test doesn't make something acidic or basic, but it tells you if it's acidic 184 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:18,280 or basic, right? 185 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Right. 186 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,080 And I think the same way when you have here in Galatians five, this competing juxtaposition 187 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:30,080 right between life of the flash and life of the spirit, you know, you, you, you see just 188 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,320 how well somebody who is living by the spirit, what it should look like. 189 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Yeah. 190 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 You know, and the bonus of that is this is what Jesus looked like. 191 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:39,440 Correct. 192 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:40,440 Right. 193 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,080 And that's the beautiful part of it is you can see Jesus come alive, uh, in others because 194 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,960 they live like him and that's what it looks like. 195 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,720 Well, and you can see his patience when he's like, how long am I going to have to repeat 196 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,040 these things over and over to you? 197 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Yeah. 198 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Like, how do you not going to get it yet? 199 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,400 Have you literally been with me the entire time and you're still asking me to show you 200 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,520 the father, you've been with me for three and a half years. 201 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,600 What did you think I meant by I and the father are one? 202 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,160 Oh man. 203 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,800 Well, I bet to do even that point. 204 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,480 I mean, there was a lot of Christians today. 205 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,960 Like we've talked about, uh, you said in your last episode, you're here with brimstone theology 206 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 where we talk about the God of the old Testament, who's fire and anger. 207 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:28,840 And we forget, but Jesus is love and acceptance and I was like, well, Jesus represents the 208 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:29,840 father. 209 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Right. 210 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,960 So if you think that Jesus is loving, acceptance and father is fire and brimstone, then you 211 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,680 don't understand one of them. 212 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:37,680 Yeah. 213 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:38,680 Right. 214 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:39,680 Yeah. 215 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:40,680 Chances are you don't understand the father. 216 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:41,680 Yeah, I agree. 217 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,960 I mean, if you, if you read the old Testament and your takeaway is fire and brimstone, you, 218 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,120 you've either putting yourself into it and putting your own, you know, maybe your upbringing 219 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,640 into it, what you've been taught, would you be pleased to believe. 220 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,320 And we went through, when we went through the Torah series, we tried to point out a 221 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,320 lot of occasions. 222 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,640 We didn't get all of them by any stretch of the imagination, but where we think that God 223 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,920 is angry and it never says that God's angry. 224 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,920 Yeah. 225 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,360 He's just dealing with a situation and specifically a lot of times he's bringing correction. 226 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,680 That's going to help them live differently in there. 227 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,000 Well, cause it's holiness demands holiness. 228 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Right. 229 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Right. 230 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,040 And so correction is for the purpose of holiness to be restored. 231 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Yeah. 232 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:22,240 And one of the first times it actually mentions God's anger in the Bible is in Exodus when 233 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,520 Moses said the burning bush. 234 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,520 Yeah. 235 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,120 And I just love the story because it's like Moses is making up excuse after excuse, which 236 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:29,840 by the way, you go through those excuses. 237 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,400 They are all way too relatable. 238 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,400 Yeah. 239 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,360 Like I don't talk well, you know, I don't speak good. 240 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,360 Yeah. 241 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,360 You know, they're all too relatable. 242 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,360 Yeah. 243 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,140 And, and then at the end of it, he's like, I just don't want to do it. 244 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:45,560 And then at that point it says God was angry, God was angry, but what did God do in his 245 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:46,800 anger? 246 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,120 He sent someone to help. 247 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:49,120 Right. 248 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:50,120 Right. 249 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Right. 250 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Like, so like there's even, even in God's anger, he's finding ways to come alongside 251 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,960 us so that we can accomplish what he has for us. 252 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:03,960 So the, these fruit of the spirit are, they're the evidence that you walk with the spirit. 253 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,360 So it's very like, if you exhibit the spirit, you're going to walk similarly to Jesus. 254 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,520 Obviously we're not Middle Eastern rabbis, so it's not going to be exactly the same. 255 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,240 I like the way that Dallas Woolard says it. 256 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,920 He's like, you're not supposed to be just like Jesus. 257 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,720 You're supposed to be who you would be if Jesus was you. 258 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:20,720 Yeah. 259 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Right. 260 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,760 And so in your case, working at the Salvation Army, what would it be like if, if Jesus was 261 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,600 a captain, a soon to be captain? 262 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,600 Sorry. 263 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,000 I, I got to be soon to be captain June 9th. 264 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,000 I know the date. 265 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Yeah. 266 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,000 All right. 267 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000 Soon to be captain at the Salvation Army. 268 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,840 Like as he interacts with the, with the thrift store and the food boxes and all the different 269 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,200 things that are going on, what does it look like when Jesus does that? 270 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,560 You know, and I mean to the, to the points where we're like, okay, if Jesus was in, in 271 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,880 obviously like somebody's going to hear this incorrectly. 272 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,640 So please hear this as a metaphor. 273 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,920 But if Jesus was in our marriages, how would Jesus be a husband to our wives? 274 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:55,920 Right. 275 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,720 How would Jesus be a father to our children? 276 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,720 Right. 277 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,620 Because these are the characteristics that we want to actually take on. 278 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:05,760 So this fruit of the spirit is like, what does it actually mean to embody the personhood 279 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,320 of Jesus and his spirit in us when we go places? 280 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,320 Yeah. 281 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:11,320 Yeah. 282 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:12,320 So we're having an end with joy. 283 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:13,320 Yeah. 284 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,240 Now scripture has got a number of things to say about joy. 285 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,920 One of the first things that comes to my mind though is James chapter one. 286 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:20,920 Yeah. 287 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Where it says, Hey, consider it pure joy when you face trials and tribulations. 288 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Pure joy. 289 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,360 Right. 290 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,200 That word for joy is actually really interesting because that word for joy that James uses 291 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,560 actually means to give your joy away. 292 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:36,560 Like, so it's really interesting because James is saying, Hey, when you are facing trials, 293 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:39,080 give the joy of Christ away to your community. 294 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Like extend that out to them so that they can see who Jesus is. 295 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:45,160 Right. 296 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:46,160 Right. 297 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,880 Which is, which is a little different than how I've interpreted it in the past where 298 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,120 it's like, okay, just force yourself to be happy. 299 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Right. 300 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,120 Right. 301 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:54,120 That's not actually what that's saying. 302 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,120 Right. 303 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,840 It's saying you have a joy in Christ when you're facing those trials, put that joy on 304 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,160 display for everyone to see. 305 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Do you remember those essay questions on the SAT that were like all zips or zops went on, 306 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:05,760 all zops or whips? 307 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:06,760 You remember what I'm talking about? 308 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,760 Yeah. 309 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,360 I got that totally from my memory. 310 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,360 You're welcome. 311 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:11,360 You're welcome. 312 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,360 He's having flashbacks. 313 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,360 Senior year in high school. 314 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,880 I'm texting my counselor right now. 315 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,800 It's one of those things where I talk to people, it's like, here's the thing. 316 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:26,440 You can be joyful and happy, but happiness is not joy. 317 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,600 I would say that in times where there aren't turmoil, that if you're joyful, you're probably 318 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,720 going to be happy too. 319 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,120 But I think about, we talked a few weeks back when we were talking about women throughout 320 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:42,200 church history, we talked about Corey Timbun hanging out in the Nazi concentrations camps, 321 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:43,200 right? 322 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,480 Covered with lice, filled with the joy of the Lord. 323 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,400 I guarantee you she's not happy, but she is joyful. 324 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,880 In other words, there's like a hopeful expectation inside of her knowing this reality. 325 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,400 And to your point, her joy in that moment is actually bringing joy to the people around 326 00:13:58,400 --> 00:13:59,400 her. 327 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,400 Yeah. 328 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:01,400 Well, and the reality is like happiness. 329 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,720 Well, what's the source of those, right? 330 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,320 Happiness is the source of that is that moment, right? 331 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,600 Something that's really temporal, right? 332 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,400 I'm happy now and maybe in a little while I'm not going to be happy. 333 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,960 As we're joy, the source of joy is God, is something eternal, is something that doesn't 334 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:16,960 change. 335 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:23,280 So when we do have that joy, it's not from within ourselves other than the spirit that 336 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,760 dwells inside of us. 337 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,760 Yeah. 338 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,920 And so with joy, with coming back to like, these are all discernible actions. 339 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:36,960 We, it's really like, where are you putting your focus when you are in those times of 340 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,920 trouble, in the times of good, in the times of horrible, whatever, right? 341 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Where are you putting your focus? 342 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,800 Are you putting it on the things of the world or are you putting it on God? 343 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Right. 344 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Yeah, a hundred percent. 345 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,880 Well, and I think joy is best visually seen in times of chaos. 346 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:51,880 Yeah. 347 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,880 Right. 348 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,240 It's visually seen in times of chaos, in times of turmoil. 349 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,280 Like what is somebody going to, what's they're going to fall back going to be? 350 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Right? 351 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,280 Yeah. 352 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:07,160 That being said, being joyful in times of peace is also in and of itself a difficult 353 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,160 proposition. 354 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,040 I'm reminded of God talking to the Israelites or through Moses, when they go into the land, 355 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,800 he says, listen, you're not going to do this right. 356 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,880 That's like my favorite. 357 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,320 He's like, you're going to go in and you're going to sleep in houses you didn't build, 358 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:27,000 reap from fields you didn't plant, drink from vineyards you didn't grow. 359 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,800 And you're going to forget the Lord your God and be like, I did this. 360 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,960 I did this. 361 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:39,600 But you said something about joy and I was our happiness and happiness is really transactional. 362 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,120 I ate a cookie and it made me happy. 363 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Oh yeah. 364 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,120 Every time. 365 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,080 But every time that is why Brian is happy all the time. 366 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,360 I don't know about you, but I'm good to the point where I eat a cookie. 367 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,520 I'm happy in the moment and then give it like an hour and then I'm like, I'm not as happy. 368 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,680 I feel less, I feel less happy, but it's transactional. 369 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,560 In other words, it's based on like an event. 370 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,560 It's not necessarily a way of living. 371 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,320 My happiness is going to ebb and flow. 372 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,000 My joy doesn't ebb and flow. 373 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,800 And that's the characteristic of somebody who's filled with the spirit is good things are 374 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,800 happening. 375 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:13,800 They're filled with the joy of the Lord. 376 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Bad things are happening. 377 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:15,800 They're full of the joy of the Lord. 378 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:21,440 And in all situations, they're always to James's point, giving away this joy. 379 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,920 They're actually, they exude this joy into the world. 380 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:31,000 And then it's interesting because, and I think there's also a connection here too, because 381 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:37,000 James goes on to say, when you are joyful in those moments, what does it build? 382 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,880 And then the things that he lists are actually listed, are partially listed in the fruit 383 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,880 of the spirit. 384 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Let's just read that James passage because some of the things that James says about joy 385 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,280 afterwards tie into the fruit of the spirit really well. 386 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,200 Or it says, dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider an opportunity 387 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,920 for great joy for, you know, when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to 388 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:00,920 grow. 389 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:01,920 So let it grow. 390 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,320 And when your endurance is fully developed, you'll be perfect complete needing nothing. 391 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:07,320 Right. 392 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:12,440 Your endurance, some translations translate that patience. 393 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,840 So as you are leaning into the Lord with your joy, your patience is going to grow. 394 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,440 These fruit of the spirit are intertwined. 395 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,280 It's like there's a, to a degree you can kind of pluck one out and be like, all right, I'm 396 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,080 going to exercise this one today. 397 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,080 Right. 398 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,200 But they're intertwined as you exercise one is going to flow into another one. 399 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,200 Right. 400 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,280 As you exercise joy, it's going to flow into patients. 401 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:35,880 It's going to flow into being more peaceful. 402 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:36,880 Right. 403 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,880 Right. 404 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:38,880 So on and so forth. 405 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,200 So we are breaking these down, but we also just want to be mindful of that. 406 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:43,200 Yeah. 407 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,720 Well, speaking of peaceful, let's actually talk about peace for a second, because this 408 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,360 is one where I think we've struggled probably in recent Christianity. 409 00:17:52,360 --> 00:18:00,160 I'm just going to call it the last 60 years, probably since the invention of social media. 410 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,040 We're, we're, we're last time we were talking about, like, we're arguing about a Super Bowl 411 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,040 commercial. 412 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,040 Sure. 413 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Right. 414 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,400 We're arguing about different pieces that don't necessarily apply to the whole. 415 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,400 Right. 416 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,600 For example, like we go to an assembly church and you go to a salvation army. 417 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,600 Yeah. 418 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,760 Like I guarantee you somewhere in our doctrines, something's different. 419 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Yeah. 420 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:22,760 Right. 421 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,760 Right. 422 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,960 But the reality is we serve the same God. 423 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,800 We walk by the same spirit and we figure out ways to work together, not uniformed, but 424 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,800 unified. 425 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:33,800 Right. 426 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,360 There's a lot more that unifies us than divides us. 427 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,360 Yeah. 428 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:37,360 Yeah. 429 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:38,360 Yeah. 430 00:18:38,360 --> 00:18:39,360 Go ahead. 431 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,840 I was going to say, if you look at denominational doctrine across the board, we agree on 95% 432 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,840 of it. 433 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:44,840 Yeah. 434 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,040 Like that's a number I pulled out of my rear. 435 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,040 Okay. 436 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,280 But roughly, give or take, right? 437 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,520 We agree on a lot of it. 438 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:50,520 Right. 439 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,120 I was laughing because I said rear. 440 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:53,120 Yeah. 441 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,000 What did you have to say in other words? 442 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,000 You know, we were all part of the- 443 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,000 I'm an adult. 444 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,680 Yeah, sometimes. 445 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,720 We're all part of the ministerial association. 446 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:04,720 Yeah. 447 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Right. 448 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,960 And the fact that everyone at that table, I'm sure every church has slightly different 449 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,600 doctrines in some capacity, but we agree on the things that matter most, right? 450 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Keeping what's important, keeping the main thing, the main thing is what I like to say. 451 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:19,640 Right. 452 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,800 And don't letting those little differences divide us in Christ. 453 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:23,800 Yeah. 454 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,960 So I'm reminded of what Jesus talks about in the Sermon on the Mount, his preface of 455 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,120 the kind of people that this kingdom is meant for. 456 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,960 Blessed are the peacemakers. 457 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:33,960 Yeah. 458 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:34,960 Right? 459 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,920 Blessed are the peacemakers. 460 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:42,120 Now the interesting thing about that is we definitely know what war makers are. 461 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:43,120 Yeah. 462 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,120 Right? 463 00:19:44,120 --> 00:19:48,480 And in a lot of circumstances, I would say that that is probably the characteristic we 464 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,280 tend to take on ourselves. 465 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,560 We tend to cause conflicts rather than peace. 466 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,160 And so when I think about a peacemaker, probably somebody who's exemplified that a lot for 467 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,000 me recently, somebody that I've watched the way that they interact with people that they 468 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,760 disagree with is Ed McDell. 469 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,840 So that's Spencer's dad. 470 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:11,460 This guy, I swear, will bring up a conversation piece and vehemently disagree with you. 471 00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:15,440 But he listens and responds and he's like, he's like, yeah, I can completely see how 472 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:16,440 you'd see that. 473 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,000 And he's like, you know, as we pursue Jesus and he goes this and I'm like, I feel like 474 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,960 he's agreeing with that guy doesn't agree with me at all, at all. 475 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:24,960 But you know what? 476 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720 He's finding he does it in such a way. 477 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,760 Like he is a peacemaker. 478 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,000 Like he steps into a tense situation where people just do not get along. 479 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,240 And he's like, but how can we work together? 480 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,240 How can we how can we find common ground and move forward together? 481 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,480 Your dad's like a sneaky Jedi. 482 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:39,480 A little bit. 483 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Yeah. 484 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,000 These are not the scriptures you're looking for. 485 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,000 These are not. 486 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,640 The scriptures you're looking for, as far as he listens to this. 487 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,400 I know I'm like, that's going to be great. 488 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,440 Well, and I mean, it's a compliment. 489 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:58,280 It's meant to be a compliment is that he values the unity of people and the opinions of people 490 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,040 more than being right. 491 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,280 Well, he values being in community and being a loving community more than being right. 492 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Correct. 493 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,320 And so and so he will have a conversation with you. 494 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,760 Like so growing up, it was a little bit opposite in our family. 495 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,960 Like when I was like, hey, you got to have a conversation with your dad. 496 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,880 You're like, OK, you're going to sit down for an hour and it's going to be great. 497 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,760 If it was like, hey, you're going to talk to your mom, you're like crap. 498 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:21,760 She also listens to that. 499 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:22,760 She listens to this as well. 500 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,760 It's fine. 501 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:24,760 Hi, mom. 502 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,760 I'll get phone calls. 503 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,760 It's fine. 504 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:27,760 Right. 505 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,080 But my dad's always been one of those people who's like who will sometimes he'll call you 506 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,080 out directly. 507 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,540 But for the most part, he's like, hey, let's talk about that. 508 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:38,000 And then you come to a point where like you just have a great conversation. 509 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,440 You might be on totally different ends of the topic. 510 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:49,000 One of the best ways that I've learned to kind of create peace, especially when you 511 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,260 want to correct somebody or there's conflict with somebody is instead of accusing somebody, 512 00:21:53,260 --> 00:21:55,200 you did this, you did that. 513 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,800 It's help me understand. 514 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,520 Help me understand why you thought that was a good idea. 515 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,960 Help me understand how you came to that conclusion. 516 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Somebody that I worked with that was very dear to me taught me that. 517 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 And I've tried to implement that, you know, instead of especially we have employees, right? 518 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,480 At Salvation Army, we have a lot of volunteers and people don't always make the right decisions. 519 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,320 I don't always make the right decisions. 520 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,320 Right. 521 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:23,760 And it creates that level of peace when, you know, still having to have those hard conversations. 522 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,140 So I wonder, though, I think often when we talk about peace, we think it's the absence 523 00:22:28,140 --> 00:22:29,140 of conflict. 524 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:34,040 No, I think it's when there's absence of relationship through the conflict. 525 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,880 Well, you look at example in scripture, there's a number of examples over and over again. 526 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,400 But one of my favorite ones is, is Apollo's when he's preaching Priscilla and Aquila were 527 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,120 like love the zeal. 528 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,120 Yep. 529 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:49,280 We got some stuff we got to work on. 530 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Yeah. 531 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,280 So like they could have done a number of things. 532 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,360 They could have stood up, called him out right then and there. 533 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:54,360 Right. 534 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,360 They could have said heretic, whatever. 535 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:56,360 Right. 536 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,200 But what they did is they said, hey, let's have a meal together and let's talk about 537 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,200 it. 538 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,200 Let's get to know each other. 539 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,200 Right. 540 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,200 And they built relationship. 541 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,440 A couple of weeks ago, we talked about the Good Samaritan story and Jesus says, you know, 542 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,600 this is the yoke, go do these things and you'll live. 543 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,260 And the teacher of the law seeking to justify himself, right, which is a chair I find myself 544 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:21,020 in all too often, right, asked a question. 545 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:24,040 So there is conflict even in these conversations that Jesus is having. 546 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,680 So peace isn't going to be the absence of conflict. 547 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,920 And to quote something that is very familiar to the three of us, given that we've all been 548 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:37,160 married a good amount of time, your marriage is not going to be good if you never have 549 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,160 conflict. 550 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,160 Right. 551 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,800 It won't be good because what it'll be is one person is bending to the other person's 552 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,800 will constantly. 553 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:44,800 Right. 554 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,800 Right. 555 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,660 Now it's good when there's mutual submission, like Paul talks about, but mutual submission 556 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:51,880 comes through conversation and understanding each other. 557 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:57,640 And I would also go as far with the marriage analogy to say if you are in agreement on 558 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,200 100% everything in your marriage, one person's probably overbearing. 559 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:02,200 Yeah, probably. 560 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,200 Right. 561 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:09,040 Because I mean, I've been married nine years now and my wife and I, we disagree on a number 562 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,600 of things, right. 563 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,040 But they're not big things. 564 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,040 Right. 565 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,880 There's core principles that we're like, this is how things are going to work in our household. 566 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,040 We're going to follow the Lord. 567 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,040 There's things we've established. 568 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,040 Right. 569 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,600 But then there's other things where we disagree on. 570 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Yeah. 571 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,600 Right. 572 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,600 Yeah. 573 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:28,600 No, totally. 574 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Right. 575 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,440 And the reason I mention it is because if you're saying, you're like, man, I got to 576 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,440 be a person of peace. 577 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,840 I can't ever like have a conversation, argue with somebody. 578 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,800 I was like, well, no, but the arguments can't be pointless. 579 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,740 There has to actually, the purpose of your conversation and your conflict should always 580 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:45,600 be to deepen your relationship with the other person. 581 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Like when I'm having a conversation with you about a topic, I'm listening to understand, 582 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,200 not listening to respond. 583 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,880 Right. 584 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,800 Listening to respond is I'm waiting for you to say something so I can nail you for it. 585 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,800 Yeah. 586 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,560 Listening to understand is I want to know why Spencer thinks this way. 587 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,560 Yeah. 588 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,560 Active listening. 589 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,560 Yeah. 590 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,040 You know, like because I actually want you in my life. 591 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,280 And so I want to understand what this is that you think so that we can find a way moving 592 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,280 forward. 593 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,280 It's very sweet of you. 594 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Thank you. 595 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Thanks for having me. 596 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,280 I feel like there's a lot of love here. 597 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,280 I like it. 598 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,600 Well, you just wait till the camera turns off. 599 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,460 But you know, like, I mean, so the purpose of peace is not, and that's why I think Peacemaker 600 00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:26,480 is a better is a better word than just saying living at peace. 601 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,200 Because I think the whole idea of living at peace, I mean, even with nations like you 602 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,400 talk about America versus Japan, we're very different countries. 603 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,920 Yeah, we live at peace. 604 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,920 We live at peace. 605 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,120 But we we have tons of conflicts on difference of opinion. 606 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:41,120 Sure. 607 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,120 Right. 608 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,720 And that's okay, because we're able to build like better relationships because of that. 609 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:47,720 Right. 610 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Yeah. 611 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,840 And so I think part of that was living at peace is learning how to have healthy conversations 612 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,840 around conflict. 613 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,840 Yeah. 614 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,840 Right. 615 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:56,840 Being a person of peace. 616 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,840 Yeah. 617 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:58,840 Being a person of peace. 618 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,200 Like, how are you addressing conflict in a peaceful manner? 619 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,200 Yeah. 620 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,200 Right. 621 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,200 How are you trying to understand the other person? 622 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,200 Right. 623 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,120 And conflict and potentially I'm going to use a word called non escalation. 624 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:09,120 Mm hmm. 625 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,120 Yeah. 626 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:12,360 You will you will meet the conflict, but you're not escalating the conflict. 627 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,400 So Jewish, I don't know the exact terminology, but Jewish rabbis have this practice when 628 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840 they're in a debate that they ask questions. 629 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Right. 630 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,840 Yeah. 631 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,360 And one of the there's actually been some scientific studies have been done around the 632 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,080 idea of asking questions and they found that questions actually deescalate. 633 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Mm hmm. 634 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Isn't that what Jesus did? 635 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,080 Yeah. 636 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,080 Multiple times. 637 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,080 Right. 638 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,080 Jesus, Jesus did that too. 639 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,080 Right. 640 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Right. 641 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,080 Questions actually deescalate the situation. 642 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,080 Yeah. 643 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,080 Jesus, what do you think about this? 644 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,080 How do you read it? 645 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:45,480 And so like even when even take the end of Job, when when God is rebuking Job, what is 646 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,480 God doing? 647 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,480 No. 648 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Right. 649 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,960 He's asking question after question. 650 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,640 Were you there when I made everything? 651 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,120 And like we often read that where we're like, God was pissed off. 652 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,120 He's like, were you there? 653 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,120 Like, come on. 654 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:58,720 Like, and it's, I don't read that that way. 655 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,800 I read it more like, hey, were you there when this happened? 656 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,320 Were you there when this happened? 657 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,120 Were you there when this happened? 658 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,120 Right. 659 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:07,120 Right. 660 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:10,800 And then, and it's God saying, no, you, I was there when this happened. 661 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,120 Well, if you're, if you're taking away of the 70 questions is that God is upset with 662 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,880 Job as opposed to he's helping Job understand that he has a very limited perspective. 663 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,880 Right. 664 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,880 Yeah. 665 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,880 Yeah. 666 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:23,880 Because your life is this, you have a very limited perspective. 667 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:24,880 Yeah. 668 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,880 Yeah. 669 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,880 Right. 670 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:27,880 Yeah. 671 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,520 And one of the things, one of the things practicing peace does is it actually builds patience. 672 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Hmm. 673 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,520 It's true. 674 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,720 So does parenthood. 675 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,640 One way or another, you're going to develop a. 676 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:45,560 So so growing up, I'm throwing my dad under the bus. 677 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,560 He's the mom and dad. 678 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,920 I'll text him and be like, I threw you under the bus a lot and a lot of them. 679 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:50,920 So in good ways. 680 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,960 But growing up, we used to do road trips. 681 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:53,960 Yep. 682 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,960 All right. 683 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,960 And this is one of the ways my dad helped instill patience in us is whenever we asked 684 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,200 the question, like, are we there yet? 685 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,840 My dad had his answer ready to go. 686 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,960 He always said nine more miles. 687 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Nice. 688 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:07,960 We could be two miles away. 689 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,160 We could be 200 miles away. 690 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,800 We could be 2000 miles away. 691 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,120 It was still nine more miles. 692 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,880 So the two phrases we hated hearing on road trips were nine more miles, just nine more 693 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,360 miles because we're like, I mean, anything doesn't mean anything. 694 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,160 And then the other one was when my dad was like, oh, we're going to take a shortcut. 695 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,720 We'll get there faster because that means we're taking a big detour somewhere to go 696 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,520 see something that none of us really want to see at the time because we just want to 697 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,520 get to where we're going. 698 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,520 Yeah. 699 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,280 It either meant that or it meant that he took a detour and we're now lost and we're on a 700 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,400 shortcut quote unquote. 701 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,440 Before MapQuest, Google. 702 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,440 This was before all that. 703 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,440 Yeah. 704 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,600 But one of those things that did is it actually created a lot of memories, right? 705 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,600 Right. 706 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,240 Those, those times where we had to be patient in the car waiting for where we had to go 707 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,440 or taking a detour and ending up at some location that was like, ah, we don't want to see the 708 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,160 ironic part is most of the time when we got there, we're like, this is really cool. 709 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,480 This is a cool spot. 710 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,240 That actually created a lot of patience and taught us to enjoy the journey along the way. 711 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,240 Yeah. 712 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,240 Right. 713 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,240 It's, it's probably difficult in our world is becoming more and more instant gratification. 714 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,240 Right. 715 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,760 Um, you think about like when you used to send a letter to somebody, you had to write 716 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600 the letter, stamp the letter, wait for the mailman to pick it up, deliver it. 717 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760 They had to read it and then they had to decide whether or not they wanted to write a letter 718 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760 back to you. 719 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:29,760 Right. 720 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Yeah. 721 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:31,760 And since you're in Alaska, it's even longer. 722 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Right. 723 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:33,760 Yep. 724 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,160 So then we, then we, uh, when then we shortened that and we started doing email, but not everybody 725 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,480 checks their email every day. 726 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,040 Uh, especially Spencer who has like 4,000 unread emails and his 16,332. 727 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,040 It's a lot. 728 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,680 You have to wait for AOL to do all of its clicks and you use AOL. 729 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,680 Oh yeah. 730 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Back in the day. 731 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Okay. 732 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,680 I was just, I was like waiting. 733 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,680 I was like, do you still use AOL? 734 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,680 That's still a thing. 735 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,680 I was like, Brian is independently keeping them in business. 736 00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:01,000 I saved up all my DVDs and I've been catching them in. 737 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,560 But you know, then email wasn't fast enough. 738 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,120 So we started text messaging, you know, and then there was, there's like Snapchat and 739 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,120 then there, you know, you know what I mean? 740 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:14,080 Like it's, it's video calling and like, you know, like it's, we need an answer faster, 741 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,080 faster. 742 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,880 You know, I get frustrated when somebody texts me and I text them back and then I don't hear 743 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,320 back for five minutes. 744 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,520 Which happens a lot in Alaska, by the way, cause that's how everybody rolls. 745 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,520 It's true. 746 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:29,440 Um, and uh, especially just here's an instance with old people on the bus, pastor Nick, uh, 747 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:36,200 cause I know he listens has a tendency to ask a question and you answer and then nothing. 748 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,360 And uh, yeah, that's it. 749 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:39,360 That's it. 750 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,120 That had nothing to just, so well, he's a pastor, so he's just teaching me patience. 751 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,120 That's the, that's the thing. 752 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,040 But you know, we have this idea of instant gratification, but there's something about 753 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720 learning how to wait in hopeful expectation. 754 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:52,720 Yeah. 755 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,720 Right. 756 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,700 Um, because patience and hope, I think go hand in hand, right? 757 00:30:55,700 --> 00:31:01,080 Because hope, uh, it's really hard to live in the world when you see all the bad stuff 758 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,080 that happens. 759 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,480 If you don't trust in the hope of Jesus Christ reclaiming the entire world, if you don't 760 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,560 trust in the hope that heaven is coming to earth, it's going to be hard to live on earth. 761 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,560 Yeah. 762 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,560 Right. 763 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,440 A lot of times like people are living for heaven and I'm living for heaven on earth, 764 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,440 right? 765 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,920 This invitation that kingdom is invading earth on earth as it is in heaven to even quote 766 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,820 from the book of revelation, the new heaven and new earth actually come and they actually 767 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:26,480 come to earth. 768 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,480 Right. 769 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,480 Right. 770 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,480 Yep. 771 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800 And, uh, you know, you have to hope for that. 772 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,880 In fact, even in the book of revelation, it's a message of hope to a church where Jesus 773 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,400 has come back and the kingdom is moving forward, but it has not yet been realized everywhere. 774 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,920 How do we live in this place where wickedness and injustice and all these different things 775 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,840 still happen, but we're living for a kingdom that is on its way. 776 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,680 It's here yet on its way. 777 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:52,680 Right. 778 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,680 Right. 779 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,680 And patience is really important. 780 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,680 I remember I was having a conversation with James the other day, my son James, not the 781 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,680 book of James. 782 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,200 Uh, I felt that people probably needed to know. 783 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280 And he's like, I want to do such and such thing. 784 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,720 I was like, no, it's okay. 785 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,040 You can be a little bored. 786 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,000 Learning how to be bored is a good thing. 787 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Yep. 788 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000 Yeah. 789 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,260 Patience is such a huge thing because one of the things we can miss is if we just get 790 00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:21,680 everything we want all the time really quick, we can actually miss the blessing that comes 791 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680 from the journey. 792 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,680 Right. 793 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,160 Like we, uh, and just coming back to that idea, cause when we are journeying with Christ, 794 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,480 we don't get everything we want. 795 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Right. 796 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,440 Like sometimes we don't get everything we want. 797 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,440 We just don't. 798 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,240 But there's things that like, it just, we have to patiently wait on the Lord for, right. 799 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,720 And I can recount a number of times in my life, we're looking back on my life. 800 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,040 I'm like, wow, the Lord answered these prayers and this way, this way, this way, this way. 801 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,840 And did I see any of those answers at that right there and there in that moment? 802 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,840 No. 803 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,840 Right. 804 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,840 I'm afraid of that. 805 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,880 And so, but the Lord answered those prayers along the way. 806 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,880 Yeah. 807 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,880 And I'll take that. 808 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,200 You know, like you're talking about, you've been married for nine years and I've been 809 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,360 married for six years. 810 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Um, and you know, I got married at 30. 811 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,760 I wanted to get married at 20. 812 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Right. 813 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,000 And there was this level of patience I had to learn of, okay, God, when, when is your 814 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000 timing right? 815 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,960 My dad always said, you know, it'll happen when it happens. 816 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:16,960 Yeah. 817 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,960 I hated that phrase. 818 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,960 I want it to happen now. 819 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,400 And, you know, thank God it happened on God's timing rather than my timing. 820 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,400 Yeah. 821 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:31,120 You know, and that level of patience is really hard to believe in even sometimes because, 822 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,120 you know, we have these desires. 823 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,720 God, why aren't you fulfilling these desires? 824 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,800 And sometimes God's saying, well, just wait, I have something really incredible in store 825 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,800 for you. 826 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920 And, and some of those things are on this side of heaven and some of those things on 827 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,920 the other side of heaven. 828 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,920 Right. 829 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,920 Yeah. 830 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,920 And that's hard. 831 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,400 And here's, here's the thing that is really difficult to, when developing as a person 832 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,400 takes time. 833 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Yeah. 834 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,400 Right. 835 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,400 You need to have patience with people cause they're going to screw up. 836 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,960 So this comes back to our conversation about the church when properly done is messy. 837 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,080 Right. 838 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,520 You don't hand a kid two sticks and call them a drummer and say, like the next day, you're 839 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:08,520 a drummer. 840 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,520 It takes time. 841 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:14,240 And it takes patience, especially with the drums or the bagpipes or, you know, some other 842 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:15,240 instrument like that. 843 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:16,240 I was a concert. 844 00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:18,520 Can you find someone to play bagpipes and worship? 845 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:19,520 I'm sure that I could. 846 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:20,520 Oh, let's do it. 847 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,520 Yeah. 848 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,520 But we, yeah. 849 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,760 Um, but I was, I was, I don't know if you know this, but I'm actually a concert tuba 850 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,760 player. 851 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,760 Nice. 852 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,760 Right. 853 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,760 So people have to develop patience and listening to me play, right. 854 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,280 Cause it did not sound good initially, no matter what my mother says. 855 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,680 Um, he's so good. 856 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,600 I just enjoy listening to him play. 857 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:42,160 I don't know why I made her Southern, but, but you know, the, uh, but, uh, I was thinking 858 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,440 about this analogy is, well, two different thoughts. 859 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:53,720 So I was not the man I needed to be at 18 for my wife when I was 23. 860 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:54,720 Yeah. 861 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,720 Does that make sense? 862 00:34:55,720 --> 00:35:00,800 Like I was not who I needed to be for her yet at 18 until I was 23. 863 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,800 Yeah. 864 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,800 Right. 865 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,240 And, uh, I wasn't the man that I needed to be for my kids until I was 30. 866 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,280 Now all that being said, like, of course we could have had kids earlier and God would 867 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,520 have met me in my weakness and all those different things. 868 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:13,520 Yeah. 869 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,880 And he was preparing me to be the kind of person that I am to be who, where I am today. 870 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:17,880 Yeah. 871 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,600 I mean, even in service of the church today, like 10 years ago, I wasn't in the same place 872 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,480 to be able to serve in the same capacity with the same amount of maturity because I had 873 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,480 to grow. 874 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,480 Right. 875 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,480 Yeah. 876 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,080 And, uh, sometimes when you're, when you're in instant gratification, I'm going to use 877 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,760 a company here and if you love this company, great. 878 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,240 Um, I'm just picking on them anyways. 879 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,280 Sometimes when you go to McDonald's and you order food and before you're done ordering, 880 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,240 they hand you your fries. 881 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,240 It's a little troubling. 882 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,240 Right. 883 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:44,240 Yeah. 884 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,600 You're like, you're like, I would like to order. 885 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,600 Oh, there it is. 886 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Right. 887 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:48,600 How long have those been sitting there? 888 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:49,600 Yeah. 889 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,600 As opposed to microchip. 890 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,600 Yeah. 891 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,080 As opposed to, uh, when you go to a restaurant that has a really good burger. 892 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,080 Right. 893 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,080 Sure. 894 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,560 And you're, you have to wait 15, 20, 30 minutes, you know, for your food to come. 895 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,920 There is a, it's a different experience. 896 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,080 Like you have to be patient in order to wait. 897 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,920 It's a different experience. 898 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,960 And uh, most of the time it's worth it. 899 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:11,960 Yeah. 900 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,400 Like obviously that analogy falls apart because I've been to places that I'd rather have just 901 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,160 gotten a fast food burger over what I got. 902 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,320 But there are some places that, I mean, it's so much better. 903 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,320 Yeah. 904 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,320 You know, wait. 905 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,320 Yeah. 906 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560 And there's, there's context in life too for that too. 907 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,560 Right. 908 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,560 Yeah. 909 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,200 Cause there's, I mean, there's times in life where like, you know, something good's about 910 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,200 to happen. 911 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,200 Yeah. 912 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Right. 913 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,880 So we, we have, we have McDonald's in town and we have another really good restaurant 914 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,880 in town. 915 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,880 Yeah. 916 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,880 Right. 917 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:39,880 Um, we have more than two restaurants. 918 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,880 Don't worry. 919 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,880 But it's only like six. 920 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,880 Yeah. 921 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,920 But, uh, like if I am like have my kid with me, we're in a hurry, you know, we know, we 922 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,280 know we have to be somewhere. 923 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,240 We know something's going to change real quick in our day. 924 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,240 We're going to McDonald's. 925 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,240 Right. 926 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,240 Right. 927 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,240 Okay. 928 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,360 If, if it's like, no, we want better food and we're willing to wait, we're not going 929 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,360 to McDonald's. 930 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,360 Right. 931 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,360 Right. 932 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,360 Right. 933 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,120 And there's, there's times in life where it's like, okay, we know change is happening 934 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,120 right now. 935 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,520 We have to move, move forward with it. 936 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,520 Right. 937 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,520 Yeah. 938 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,000 And we know something really good is going to happen. 939 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,000 We're going to sit here and wait. 940 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Yeah. 941 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 And we're going to wait on the Lord. 942 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000 That's good. 943 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,000 Yeah. 944 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,120 Cause being a person of the spirit, you're a person who wants to see the best come out. 945 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120 Yeah. 946 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,120 Right. 947 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000 Um, so coming back to this idea of spiritual gifts, one of the biggest spiritual gifts 948 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,920 we can have is bringing the gold out of people. 949 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:29,920 And that takes patience. 950 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,920 Yeah. 951 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,920 Like when you're taking somebody and taking them from the life that they had to being 952 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,200 apprentice of Jesus, you're going to need some patience. 953 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,200 Yeah. 954 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,200 Especially when you work with teenagers. 955 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,200 Yes. 956 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,200 Like, Oh yeah. 957 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,920 Or when you work, I'm reading a book right now. 958 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,400 Um, and I haven't gotten very far into it. 959 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,960 It's called tattoos of the heart where a guy is working in inner city, uh, Los Angeles with, 960 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680 you know, a lot of, a lot of gangs and stuff like that. 961 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,600 And I was like, you have these small incremental moves forward and, uh, it's a lot of patience 962 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,080 in like working with these kids. 963 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,080 Yeah. 964 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,080 Right. 965 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,080 Yeah. 966 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,520 Well, and as you become more patient and you become more kind, as I said earlier, these 967 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840 just roll right one into another. 968 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,840 Yeah. 969 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,240 And these are characteristics of love. 970 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,240 Yeah. 971 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:14,240 Love is these things. 972 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,240 Yeah. 973 00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:16,240 Yeah. 974 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:21,120 And I think this is, this for me kind of captures Jesus in such a powerful way, right? 975 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:28,680 That he is not this, he's not just these words on a page, but he is kindness incarnate, right? 976 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,880 He is, you know, he treats us with kindness. 977 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,360 He expects us to treat others with kindness. 978 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,760 Um, and to be kind to ourselves too. 979 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,040 I think we forget that. 980 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,040 Yeah. 981 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:44,120 So kindness is one of those things that can be lost in our day and age a little bit. 982 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,200 Um, I can, I mean, I can think of lots of examples, but just one right off the top of 983 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:55,080 my head, like there's simple ways to be kind that we just kind of blow right past nowadays, 984 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,360 uh, holding a door for someone else. 985 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,360 Yeah. 986 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,360 Right. 987 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,000 Smiling at someone when you see them. 988 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000 Somebody drops their books, you help them pick them up. 989 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Yep. 990 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000 Yep. 991 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,040 Like, so the other day I was actually, this was a few weeks ago, but I was going to meet 992 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,040 you for lunch. 993 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,080 And the reason I was a few minutes late is cause, uh, the spot we were meeting that was 994 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:14,280 it was in a hotel. 995 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,320 They have a diner down there and we're like, we're going to meet the diner there. 996 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,920 A guy was walking in the hotel with a cart and just spilt everything. 997 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,920 Oh no. 998 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,920 Geez. 999 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,920 Yeah. 1000 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:24,920 Right. 1001 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,480 And like, so, so I immediately started helping pick, help him pick his stuff up. 1002 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:35,440 Like it was a lot of stuff and, uh, but as I was doing that, I noticed four other people 1003 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,440 just walk by. 1004 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,440 Right. 1005 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,440 And they like walked, like stepped over his stuff, walked around his stuff, walked through 1006 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,680 his stuff, you know, all the above. 1007 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,360 Cause they were like, Oh, well, we got to do some more important. 1008 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,360 Right. 1009 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,360 Right. 1010 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,760 And it's like, well, or there's this guy who just spilled all his things and judging on 1011 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,920 his things, I'm guessing homeless. 1012 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,160 That was my guess, but, but he's just spilled all his things. 1013 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,560 And it's like, what are you going to do? 1014 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:02,560 Right. 1015 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,320 Like, are you going to be kind, help him pick his stuff up or are you going to walk away? 1016 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,840 And I will say, um, working as a salvation army officer, you know, the populations we 1017 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:18,360 work with are, you know, most likely the populations that don't receive kindness as often as they, 1018 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,000 they should, you know, everyone's deserving of kindness. 1019 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,040 And for me, I think it's been one of the most powerful tools in seeing people's attitudes 1020 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,040 change, right? 1021 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:29,120 We have our soup kitchen. 1022 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,600 We see people, 30 to 50 people every single day, you know, usually the same people. 1023 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:34,600 Yeah. 1024 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,280 And we've been here for two and a half years now and seeing the same people, you know, 1025 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:46,040 every single day has been the most powerful tool, I think, to see change in their attitudes, 1026 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,080 change in the behaviors while they're with us has just been treating them with kindness. 1027 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,080 Right. 1028 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,940 You know, getting to know their names, that's an act of kindness because some people won't 1029 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:55,280 even go that far. 1030 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,800 And, and, you know, people light up when you remember who they are. 1031 00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,800 Yeah. 1032 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,120 And so, yeah, kindness, I think is a huge component of, of all of these parts that we've 1033 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,160 been talking about kind of wraps up into that. 1034 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,360 We have a tendency to not really see the least of these. 1035 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,000 This comes back to our conversation about, like, are you making an intentional relationship 1036 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,560 with the people that you would actually be able to watch their feet? 1037 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,560 Yeah. 1038 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:16,560 Right? 1039 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,560 Yeah. 1040 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,840 Like, are you being intentional about actually, you know, catching up with the least of these? 1041 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:26,080 Well, caring for the least of these is, is a make it or break it issue. 1042 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,080 Yeah. 1043 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,080 In my mind. 1044 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,400 Like you see that in Matthew 25. 1045 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:30,400 Yeah. 1046 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:36,280 And then where Jesus is separating the sheep from the goats and then the goats, the sheep, 1047 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,520 he's like, hey, good job. 1048 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,520 You saw me in prison. 1049 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,880 You saw me when I was hungry. 1050 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,600 You saw me when I was need. 1051 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:42,600 List goes on. 1052 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,360 And then the goats, they're like, well, when did we ever see you? 1053 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,400 He's like, well, when you saw the least of these. 1054 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,400 Right. 1055 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,400 Right. 1056 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,800 That's, it's a make it or break it issue. 1057 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,320 Now, have I seen, I've definitely seen people abuse that too, where people are like, well, 1058 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960 I'm going to pretend like I'm in the least of these situation. 1059 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,960 Sure. 1060 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,760 Like I remember down in Seattle one time, like there was a guy sitting in a wheelchair 1061 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,920 with a sign and then someone came and stood right next to him and he kind of does this 1062 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,560 action like look side to side, see if anybody's looking and then he gets out of the wheelchair 1063 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,320 hands a sign to the next person. 1064 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,880 It was like, it was like shift change. 1065 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,880 Right. 1066 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,360 It happens on occasion. 1067 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,600 But caring for the least of these, it is an issue that we can't neglect as believers, 1068 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,480 as followers of Jesus. 1069 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,840 It's not something we can say, okay, well, someone else will take care of that. 1070 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,760 It's like we as a church, as individual churches need to. 1071 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:33,760 Right. 1072 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,040 Need to be part, take part in these. 1073 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,800 I've heard, I've heard Marty Solomon from the Baymaw podcast make the statement before. 1074 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,400 He says, where you put the people who are normally on the outside in your church, the 1075 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,440 marginalized, where they are in your church tells me a lot about what your church believes. 1076 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,440 Yeah. 1077 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,280 Are they on the outskirts being like, like, are they fringe, you know, thoughts or are 1078 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,960 they actually in the center, which actually is going to carry on to our conversation into 1079 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,960 James. 1080 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,640 I don't know if you guys know this, but the Bible tends to like talk about itself, like 1081 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,640 about the same ideas in multiple books. 1082 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,640 Yeah. 1083 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:05,640 It's interconnected. 1084 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:06,640 Yeah, it's interconnected. 1085 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,160 First I've heard of this. 1086 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,600 Whoa, mind blowing. 1087 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:14,160 So kindness has to be like this attribute that if you're going to be walking in the 1088 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,180 spirit, kindness should be a portion of it. 1089 00:43:16,180 --> 00:43:21,920 So it really is, it's difficult for me when somebody is a, they're talking about tongues 1090 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,480 or the healing or prophecy and they're just not a very nice person. 1091 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,480 Yeah. 1092 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,480 Like in general. 1093 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,480 You see that on TV. 1094 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,480 Right? 1095 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,480 They're just not a nice person. 1096 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,240 You're like, listen, you're walking in the spirit of something. 1097 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,440 I'm pretty sure it's not Jesus. 1098 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,440 Yeah. 1099 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,560 And so joy, peace, patience, kindness, this all builds into goodness. 1100 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,560 Right. 1101 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,560 Right? 1102 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,920 Like you can't be a good, like you can't proclaim goodness without exercising these 1103 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:47,920 things. 1104 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,920 Right. 1105 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,480 In fact, Jesus will even say, why do you call me good? 1106 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,760 Nobody's good except God alone. 1107 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,760 Right? 1108 00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:57,400 So like the very characteristic of walking in goodness is actually walking in the spirit 1109 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,400 of God. 1110 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,400 Yeah. 1111 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,080 Because people in and of themselves aren't necessarily good. 1112 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,280 We were created to be good. 1113 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,280 Yeah. 1114 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,280 We were created to be very good. 1115 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,280 Yeah. 1116 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,400 But now through the spirit of God, we come to our pre garden or not pre garden or into 1117 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,400 our garden state. 1118 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,400 Right. 1119 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,960 And we walk in the goodness of God. 1120 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,960 Yeah. 1121 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:13,960 Yeah. 1122 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,120 This idea of being good is fundamental though. 1123 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,120 Yeah. 1124 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,120 Right. 1125 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,120 Because God is a good God. 1126 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,120 Right. 1127 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:20,120 Like you're just saying Ben. 1128 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,600 We will claim God to the world, we then have to put these things on display for the world 1129 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600 to see. 1130 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,600 Right. 1131 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Right. 1132 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,720 And so this rolls right into being faithful. 1133 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,520 Like I'm kind of tying goodness and faithfulness together. 1134 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,520 Sure. 1135 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,280 Because, because the reality is, is when we're patient, when we're kind, when we're enduring 1136 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,160 with those around us, we are going to be faithful to them. 1137 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,160 Yeah. 1138 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,160 Right? 1139 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,680 When we are enduring with Christ, we're going to be faithful to Him. 1140 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:46,680 Yeah. 1141 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,960 All these characteristics, we talk about goodness, you know, I, there's a phrase or the 1142 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,120 phrase that I say, God is good all the time and all the time God is good. 1143 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,120 Right. 1144 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,520 And, and that's a really, it's a really good phrase for us to remember. 1145 00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,160 And then it's interesting. 1146 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,720 I've had conversations with people, they're like, okay, but what do you mean by good? 1147 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,800 I was like, okay, but good is defined by all the other things around it. 1148 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,600 Like the characteristics of God is what is good. 1149 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,600 Right. 1150 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:09,600 Faithfulness. 1151 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,400 I don't think we can undersell faithfulness. 1152 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,840 So being a person of the Spirit means you show up to the things you're supposed to show 1153 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:15,840 up for. 1154 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,320 So the characteristic of faithfulness is a really big deal because when you're, when 1155 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,480 you're a person of the Spirit, you're going to show up to the things that you're, you're, 1156 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,680 you're responsible for. 1157 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:24,680 Right. 1158 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,320 You show up to your marriage, you show up to your job, you show up to your parenthood, 1159 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:33,040 you show up to your, you show up to your friends, you show up for your, for your family, for 1160 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,040 your church. 1161 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,040 Right. 1162 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,800 Like the things where like faithfulness and not when you always feel it. 1163 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,800 Right. 1164 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,840 Like once again, like joy is not happiness. 1165 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,840 Yeah. 1166 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,000 Faithfulness doesn't mean you're always going to be super excited. 1167 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000 Right. 1168 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,000 Right. 1169 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,560 So I was, I was talking, Brian, we were talking about worship one time and I remember we were 1170 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,440 talking about like, I don't always feel super excited on Sunday morning when I get there. 1171 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:01,640 I was like, so a lot of times I just throw my body into it and let God catch me in the 1172 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640 jump. 1173 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640 Yeah. 1174 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,640 Right. 1175 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,680 Well, I mean, a lot of times like all three of us were very active in our churches, right? 1176 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,640 Like we're, we're usually the first ones there. 1177 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000 First ones to leave or last ones to leave. 1178 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,120 First ones to leave, last ones to get there. 1179 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,120 Yeah, exactly. 1180 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:17,120 Exactly. 1181 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,320 And then the other time I was like, we, we, we, we all know who those people are. 1182 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,320 Yeah. 1183 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,160 But we're usually the first ones there. 1184 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,160 Last ones to leave. 1185 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,640 So there's, there's mornings where Sundays feel more like a chore. 1186 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:28,640 Yeah. 1187 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:29,640 Right. 1188 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,240 But you're still, we're still called to be faithful. 1189 00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:32,240 Yeah. 1190 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,240 Right. 1191 00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:34,240 And not just in our churches. 1192 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,760 There are times when your job's going to feel like a chore. 1193 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,120 You still show faithfulness because that's what somebody who was walking with a spirit 1194 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,840 does with the obligations that God's put in front of you, these calls into your life. 1195 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,640 You're not always going to be like, woo hoo. 1196 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,160 Like Moses had to climb a mountain like six times. 1197 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,160 Yeah. 1198 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:50,160 Yeah. 1199 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,160 At 80 years old. 1200 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,160 Uh huh. 1201 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,640 Like he wasn't really like looking forward to it, I can guarantee you. 1202 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,280 But he was being faithful. 1203 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,280 Yeah. 1204 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,280 Right. 1205 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,800 And, and so that last little piece, like this whole thing about faithfulness and the last 1206 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:06,920 characteristics that we're going to combine together of gentleness and self-control are 1207 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080 really two coins of the, or two sides of the same coin. 1208 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:11,280 Right. 1209 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,160 Because if you're a faithful person, you're going to show up, you're going to show up, 1210 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,160 you're going to show up. 1211 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,240 But the other characteristic, when you're looking at kindness and you're looking at 1212 00:47:17,240 --> 00:47:19,880 joy and you're looking at patience and you're looking at all these different things that 1213 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:26,520 kind of go into these characteristics of this conversation, um, gentleness, uh, I actually 1214 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,160 preached on this with Les a few, few months ago. 1215 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,760 Uh, we actually talked about the gentleness is equivalent of like meekness when Jesus 1216 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,200 says blessed are the meek for low and hair at the earth. 1217 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,200 Right. 1218 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,640 But it doesn't mean wimpy. 1219 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,320 It doesn't mean backing down. 1220 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,920 It doesn't mean doing nothing. 1221 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:48,960 What it actually means is I am capable of doing something and I choose not to. 1222 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:54,240 So meekness was often in Roman culture was associated with horses, right? 1223 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,720 Uh, horses pulling chariots in particular, like they needed to be strong. 1224 00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:58,720 They needed to be fast. 1225 00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:00,120 They needed to be agile. 1226 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,120 Right. 1227 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,120 Right. 1228 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,520 Um, but they also needed to be able to hold back. 1229 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:05,520 Right. 1230 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,800 That's why we can buy this with self-control. 1231 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,560 In other words, you're under control. 1232 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,560 Yeah. 1233 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,880 So the thing is God has, uh, when he puts a spirit inside of his people, he creates 1234 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,600 them into incredibly powerful people. 1235 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:16,600 Yeah. 1236 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:17,600 Right. 1237 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,640 So I want to, I want to specify this because I think people, they carry this too far and, 1238 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,360 and it's, it's a, it's one of those hyper static union things where people kind of get confused 1239 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,960 on this. 1240 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,520 You are not a powerful person. 1241 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,600 The spirit of God is powerful, but when the spirit of God is inside of you, you're a powerful 1242 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,600 person. 1243 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:33,600 Yeah. 1244 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,600 Right. 1245 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,600 Right. 1246 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,120 And you are called to walk in that power to bring joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, 1247 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,920 gentleness, and self-control. 1248 00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,400 And yes, the spiritual gifts we're going to talk about, but it's not your power, but when 1249 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,840 it's inside of you, you need to walk with authority. 1250 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:48,840 Yeah. 1251 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,840 No. 1252 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:50,840 Right. 1253 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:57,000 And so when you walk around and you have the spirit of God, you are capable of a lot, but 1254 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:03,400 you place self-control in your life and you place gentleness in your life so that you 1255 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,540 can interact with the people around you, grow them and allow God's presence to flow from 1256 00:49:08,540 --> 00:49:10,880 you into them. 1257 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,840 Just because you have power doesn't mean you should use it. 1258 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,640 Coming back to parenthood, just because I can't punish my kids or discipline my children 1259 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,140 doesn't mean that I always should. 1260 00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:24,720 Is that what's actually going to be helpful? 1261 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:25,720 Yeah. 1262 00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:28,600 If a five-year-old is acting like a five-year-old, sometimes I got to let them just act like 1263 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,600 a five-year-old. 1264 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,200 If an 18-year-old is acting like a five-year-old, well, that's a different story. 1265 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,200 That's another conversation. 1266 00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,080 I probably should have done something about 13 years ago. 1267 00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:45,120 You know, but it's not necessarily... I don't need to come in and use my power. 1268 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:51,440 In fact, what I would rather do is build relationship so that we can actually have a real conversation. 1269 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,640 Now, the piece that I talked about with gentleness, which I think is incredibly misunderstood, 1270 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,480 is this piece where Jesus talks about turning the other cheek. 1271 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,840 And I've talked briefly about this in the past, but when Jesus talks about turning the 1272 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,000 other cheek and he talks about giving up the cloak and he talks about going the second 1273 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:15,960 mile, none of those are passive or... They're not passive statements. 1274 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,960 Yeah. 1275 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,000 They're actually active statements against injustice. 1276 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,520 And Jesus is saying that in a nonviolent confrontation, you need to stand up for justice, but without 1277 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:27,520 violence. 1278 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:28,520 Yeah. 1279 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:29,520 Yeah. 1280 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,520 That's the way of Rome. 1281 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,680 Christ is gentleness and self-control in the midst of chaos. 1282 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,960 And Jesus himself coordinates his entire kingdom by being crucified on a cross. 1283 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,540 When there is no way that anybody could have gotten him there. 1284 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:49,700 When people say that the Jews crucified Jesus, it's like Jesus said himself, nobody is going 1285 00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:50,700 to put me here. 1286 00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:51,700 Yeah. 1287 00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:52,700 Right. 1288 00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:55,800 I go here of my own volition. 1289 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,280 Which is just... I mean, when you talk about self-control and the example of Jesus, literally 1290 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,840 as he goes through the whips and the crucifixion and the crown of thorns, he's choosing to 1291 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,280 take every step. 1292 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,280 Every single step. 1293 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,840 Well, just take the false accusations he went through. 1294 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:19,480 Like the Jewish leaders were bringing people to bring false witness against Jesus. 1295 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,480 He endured all that. 1296 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,880 He endured the beatings. 1297 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,400 He endured crown of thorns, being hung on the cross like that. 1298 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,740 In today's day and age, we get one person who says something that's slightly off about 1299 00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:34,640 us a little bit and we're like, I'm pulling out the sword of the spirit and we are going 1300 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,640 to war. 1301 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:36,640 Right. 1302 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:37,640 Right. 1303 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,640 And it's... Which by the way, that sword's meant for defense. 1304 00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,520 Go do some research on that. 1305 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,520 And self-reflection. 1306 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,520 Yeah. 1307 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,520 Self-reflection. 1308 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,640 Go do some research on that. 1309 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:51,400 But we often will do that when it's like, no, sometimes we just need to be gentle, have 1310 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:56,960 self-control and go into these situations with the opposite attitude that the other person 1311 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:57,960 has. 1312 00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,960 Yeah. 1313 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,880 And one of the things is things change. 1314 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:01,880 Yeah. 1315 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:02,880 Right? 1316 00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,640 One of the things at my old work that we used to always say was stress breeds stress. 1317 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,640 Right? 1318 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:13,960 If you get someone in a work atmosphere who is just a stressful, stressed out individual, 1319 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,200 that's going to breed over to... That's going to spread to the other people around them. 1320 00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:19,200 Right? 1321 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,200 Oh, absolutely. 1322 00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:25,600 Versus if you bring someone into a work atmosphere who is a peacemaker, who's gentle, who exercises 1323 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,520 self-control, that's going to infect the workplace. 1324 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,520 Right? 1325 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:31,520 Right. 1326 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,880 And so one of the things we have to do with gentleness and self-control is we have to 1327 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,800 say, hey, okay, we're going to put these things on and we're not actually going to be affected 1328 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,880 by the other things that are going to tear us away from this. 1329 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:48,160 And how much more powerful of a tool is it when somebody is attacking you, saying things 1330 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,040 against you, maybe saying bad words to you, to your face? 1331 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,120 How much more powerful is it to be able to withstand that with self-control than giving 1332 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,320 vitriol back? 1333 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,360 It's a much better witness for us than living in the flesh and being like, well, since you're 1334 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,440 saying that, I'm going to say what I want to say. 1335 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,520 It's way more powerful. 1336 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:19,120 So the fruit of the spirit, love defined as joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, 1337 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,360 faith, self-control, right, I think I missed one. 1338 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,020 That's okay. 1339 00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:31,080 Love defined as first Corinthians 13, patient, kind, doesn't have any, doesn't boast. 1340 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,800 These are characteristics of what it means to love God. 1341 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:34,800 Yeah. 1342 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:35,800 Yes. 1343 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:41,160 And the way that God loves us, but also in the way that we love our neighbor. 1344 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,480 And I know I want to stress, you're not going to do this stuff right. 1345 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,320 Part of working out our salvation and fear and trembling is knowing that we're supposed 1346 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,960 to walk in the spirit and we're not going to do it right. 1347 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:53,960 But we have a great mediator. 1348 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,080 His name is Jesus Christ, right? 1349 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,640 Holy spirit's going to be our advocate, our lawyer that we need. 1350 00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:04,640 Lawyers, we got the Holy Spirit. 1351 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,760 But when you are a person who is pursuing the spiritual gifts, which is what comes up 1352 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,440 in first Corinthians 14, earnestly seek the spiritual gifts. 1353 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,360 Before you earnestly seek the spiritual gifts, make sure you're walking in the spirit. 1354 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,360 Yeah. 1355 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,360 Right? 1356 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,080 Because this is this love God, love other people, hearing the voice of God, walking 1357 00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:26,680 in the fruit of the spirit is going to be foundational to whether or not you're bringing 1358 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,760 kingdom or you're bringing a platform for yourself. 1359 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:30,760 Yeah. 1360 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:31,760 Yeah. 1361 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,320 And at the end of the list of the fruit of the spirit, Paul says this in verse 23, he 1362 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,200 says, there is no law against these things. 1363 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,200 Yeah. 1364 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:42,200 Right. 1365 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:48,640 And that's kind of the, like that, that line right there I have found to be so, um, that's, 1366 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:54,000 that's such a spirit inspired line in there because you look at our culture today, there 1367 00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:01,440 isn't a law against being loving, joyful, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, gentle 1368 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,160 exercising self control. 1369 00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,160 Right? 1370 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,840 There's no law against those things. 1371 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,840 Right. 1372 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,740 And majority of cultures today being able to say, Hey, if I, I'm going to exercise 1373 00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:16,640 these things, we're going to do it in a way to where people can, where it put God on display. 1374 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:17,640 Right? 1375 00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:23,760 Nobody's going to be able to say, well, that person is a horrible person because of that. 1376 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,760 Yeah. 1377 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:25,760 Right. 1378 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:26,760 Yeah. 1379 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:31,080 Ephesians five, one and two say, follow God's example. 1380 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,280 Therefore as dearly loved children and walk in the way of love. 1381 00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,280 Right. 1382 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,960 As Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to 1383 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,280 God walk in the way of love. 1384 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,280 That's life by the spirit. 1385 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,280 Yep. 1386 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,920 That's what we've been talking about that kind of the analogy that came to mind when 1387 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,560 I was thinking about preparing for this was, you know, this life by the spirit is like 1388 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,000 a plant rooted in the ground, right? 1389 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:05,920 Love rooted in the ground and the roots that spread out of love helps support the fruit 1390 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,560 that it's going to bear. 1391 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:08,560 Right? 1392 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,960 The patience, kindness, joy, patience, peace, kindness, goodness, right? 1393 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,960 Faithfulness, self-control. 1394 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:22,560 If we are deeply rooted in love of God and others, we're going to find these fruit come 1395 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,480 alive in our lives. 1396 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,760 And it flows out of walking in the way of love. 1397 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,800 Well, and I think it's really difficult because when we have this conversation where we, because 1398 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:39,280 I've been talking about this for the last probably 15 years is that learning how to 1399 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,400 love God and love other people is fundamental. 1400 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,320 Learning how to walk by the spirit is fundamental. 1401 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,440 Is this idea of like, okay, well, it can't just be love. 1402 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,000 And I was like, because you know, like love is love is love is love. 1403 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,960 No, love isn't easy. 1404 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:54,960 Love is very difficult. 1405 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,960 Love is a battle for you. 1406 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,960 Yeah. 1407 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:58,960 Thank you. 1408 00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:00,040 It's difficult. 1409 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,040 It's messy. 1410 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,040 There's going to be conflict. 1411 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,200 There's going to be misunderstanding. 1412 00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,760 There's going to be need to distribute joy. 1413 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,640 There's going to be a need for you to be gentle, which means somebody's not going to be gentle. 1414 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,960 There's going to be a need for you to have self-control, which means somebody else is 1415 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,120 going to say something that you should self-control yourself. 1416 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,120 Right. 1417 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,000 Those warning labels, right? 1418 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,000 Don't do this. 1419 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,000 Don't put this in your mouth. 1420 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,000 Well, it's because somebody put it in their mouths and choked on it. 1421 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,000 Right. 1422 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,000 That's why they have it. 1423 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,000 Yeah. 1424 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,920 You know, you have to be, you have to put on goodness because there's going to be non goodness 1425 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:28,920 around you. 1426 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,760 You have to put on kindness because there's going to be hate around you. 1427 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:38,160 Like learning how to be a person of love is foundational to everything and it is everything. 1428 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,960 Like it is, it's what it's above and through. 1429 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:49,160 It's a reason why the, the writer's going to say that God is love. 1430 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,480 Love is not God, but God is love. 1431 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,920 Right? 1432 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,400 All zips there's apps, but all zops there's ips. 1433 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:56,400 Right? 1434 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,720 God is love. 1435 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,600 He is the characteristic, he is the defining characteristic of what love is. 1436 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:08,400 And so if we want to follow the way of Jesus, then we follow to your point from Ephesians, 1437 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,400 the walk of love. 1438 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:10,400 Yes. 1439 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:11,400 Yeah. 1440 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,120 As Jesus loved us. 1441 00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,120 Amen. 1442 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,120 Right? 1443 00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,120 Yeah. 1444 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,120 All right. 1445 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,160 So next week we're going to get into the fun stuff. 1446 00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,520 We're going to have Kyle Quinn on here and we're going to be talking about tongues. 1447 00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,560 So if you were like, I don't know if I'm going to stop listening to these guys or not, listen 1448 00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,000 to that one and that'll probably help you decide what you want to do. 1449 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,880 So yeah. 1450 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,160 We really appreciate you being here. 1451 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:36,160 Yeah. 1452 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,160 Good time. 1453 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,160 I love being here. 1454 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,160 Love to come back sometime. 1455 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,160 Yeah. 1456 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,160 We'll have you back. 1457 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,960 I do have to, I have to note two quick things is one, your hat is a Raiders hat. 1458 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,960 So yeah. 1459 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,960 Yeah. 1460 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:47,960 Let's do this. 1461 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,400 And then also if you are watching the YouTube Spencer's pants are fantastic. 1462 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:53,400 They are. 1463 00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:54,400 They are so great. 1464 00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,400 I like it. 1465 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,320 I don't know what you're going to camo with that, but yeah, I approve. 1466 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,920 I think they're best with the white croc and the blue socks. 1467 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:01,920 Yeah. 1468 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:02,920 Just rocking it. 1469 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,160 White croc, blue socks, red pants, green jacket, yellow hat. 1470 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,640 You're a character straight out of Dr. Seuss. 1471 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:15,240 The joke in my family is even before we had had our daughter, my wife was like, yeah, 1472 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,320 you got the dad vibe down just fine. 1473 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,320 You're ready. 1474 00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:23,160 I was like, I actually, I tell people all the time that I was like, I'm glad that I 1475 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,440 had kids because I've been practicing dad jokes for years and now I have a justification 1476 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,440 for using them. 1477 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,440 And an audience. 1478 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:31,440 Yeah. 1479 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:32,440 Yeah. 1480 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,440 Who cares? 1481 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,440 All right. 1482 00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,880 With all that being said, we will check in with you guys next week. 1483 00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:36,880 Yep. 1484 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,960 Till next time. 1485 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,980 And that's a wrap for today's episode of Love and Context. 1486 00:59:41,980 --> 00:59:45,900 We hope you enjoyed this engaging conversation and gained valuable insights into the powerful 1487 00:59:45,900 --> 00:59:47,880 message of love within the Bible. 1488 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,000 We'd love to hear from you and continue the conversation. 1489 00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:57,360 Join us with us by sending us your questions, thoughts, and suggestions to loveandcontext.gmail.com. 1490 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:01,980 We greatly appreciate your feedback and ideas for future episodes. 1491 01:00:01,980 --> 01:00:06,280 Stay connected with us on social media for updates, behind the scenes content, and additional 1492 01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:07,280 resources. 1493 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,080 You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and Facebook at Love and Context. 1494 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:15,080 Don't forget to hit that follow button to stay up to date with the latest episodes and 1495 01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,200 join our growing community. 1496 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,600 Thank you for being part of the Love and Context family. 1497 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,540 Remember, love is at the heart of it all. 1498 01:00:22,540 --> 01:00:27,440 Until next time, keep seeking wisdom, embracing love, and living out your faith in the context 1499 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,440 of today's world. 1500 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,440 Running up on stage. 1501 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:31,440 Yeah. 1502 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,440 Yeah. 1503 01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,880 Last week while I was doing releasing the kids, Leland did that. 1504 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,440 And I picked him up and who? 1505 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:49,960 That boy smelled like poop.